{ "segments": [ { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1190.905, "end": 1194.285, "text": "Good morning and welcome to Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the rule.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1194.805, "end": 1197.025, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Chabot,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1198.565, "end": 1198.885, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1199.185, "end": 1200.165, "text": "Councillor Clark,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor H. Clark", "start": 1200.965, "end": 1201.365, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1201.525, "end": 1204.525, "text": "Councillor Dollywall, Councillor Jameson,", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 1204.865, "end": 1205.605, "text": "I'm here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1205.765, "end": 1206.805, "text": "Councillor Johnston,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 1207.585, "end": 1207.725, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1208.045, "end": 1208.945, "text": "Councillor Kelly,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 1209.105, "end": 1209.425, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1209.825, "end": 1210.705, "text": "Councillor McClain,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 1211.805, "end": 1212.105, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1212.325, "end": 1218.465, "text": "Councillor Pentezopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward,", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Ward", "start": 1218.585, "end": 1218.885, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1219.005, "end": 1224.785, "text": "Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, and Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1226.185, "end": 1227.065, "text": "I am here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1227.165, "end": 1227.665, "text": "Thank you, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1227.785, "end": 1302.965, "text": "Thank you, Madam Clerk. I'll just note that Councillor Tyre has provided notice that she will not be able to attend this day's meeting, but uh we've provided arrangements to ensure that uh representation is provided to her constituents. Uh we will now move into some opening remarks. Uh welcome everyone. Uh Oki, Ambawastish, Danitada, Tanshe. Indigenous peoples have their own names for this area that have been in use long before settlers named this place Calgary. In the Blackfoot language, it is called Mokinstis. The EthioNakota Westabi First Nations referred to this place as Wachispa Oyade, and the people of the Satina nation call it Gustas. The Metis call the Calgary area Otusquini. We appreciate and acknowledge that we are gathered on the ancestral and traditional territory of the Blackfoot nations of the Sikhika, Pikani and Kainai First Nations, the EthioNakota Wakestabi First Nations, comprised of the Chiniki. Bearispaw and Goodstone First Nations, and the Satina First Nation. The city of Calgary is also homeland to the historic Northwest Metis, and Tia Timiswak Metis Government, Metis Nation Battle River Territory, Noseale Metis District 5, and Elbo Metis District 6. We acknowledge and give gratitude to the many First Nations, Metis and Inuit, who live here and call Calgary home.", "segments_merged": 18 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1304.865, "end": 1311.885, "text": "Firstly, I'm going to call on Councillor Clark to provide some remarks in regards to the W. Mitchell Book Prize finalist.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor H. Clark", "start": 1312.005, "end": 1338.045, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Mayor. On April 1st, the City of Calgary, together with the Writers Guild of Alberta, was proud to announce the three finalists for the W. O. Mitchell Book Prize. This prize is awarded in honor of acclaimed Calgary writer W. O. Mitchell to recognize extraordinary literary achievement by local authors. The winner will be announced at the City of Calgary's award presentation event on June 17th. The following are the three finalists and descriptions of their books.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 1339.045, "end": 1430.645, "text": "Our first finalist is Marcello Di Sintio with his novel Precarious: The Lives of Migrant Workers. In Precarious, The Lives of Migrant Workers, Marcello Di Sintio documents migrant workers' experiences, highlighting stories of perseverance, resilience, and vulnerability. Marcello Di Sintio is the author of four books and is a former City of Calgary W. O. Mitchell Prize book winner recipient. Next, we have Skylar Kay with a collection of poetry. There's magic here too a trans woman's guide to being monstrous. There's magic here too, uses mythical creatures to explore identity, transformation, and radical self-reclamation. Skyler Kay is a Calgary-based poet and grad school dropout who looks for the magic in everyday life. And last but certainly not least is Monica Kidd with her novel The Crane. Set in 1968 during the Vietnam War, James Anderson grapples with the death of his twin brother in the war and the prospect of being drafted. He evades the draft and travels to Newfoundland, where while working for the St. John's newspaper, he uncovers an intergenerational family secret that could ultimately save his life. Monica is a multidisciplinary writer, an award winning journalist and filmmaker, and a physician on the side. Congratulations to our top three finalists. What an amazing group of Calgarians. It's always tremendous to be able to celebrate our local authors with the W. O. Mitchell Book Prize, and I look forward to the Calgary Awards celebration on June 17th to learn who the winner will be.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1431.725, "end": 1433.205, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Clark, and uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1433.605, "end": 1443.545, "text": "big shout out to the clerks team and protocol for their assistance in the Calgary Awards. It's been amazing to get to meet some of the folks behind the scenes at the city, but also the amazing uh finalists.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 1443.885, "end": 1444.085, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1444.325, "end": 1448.125, "text": "Uh over to Councillor Ewell, please, to celebrate and mark Earth Day.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 1449.185, "end": 1453.445, "text": "Yep, tomorrow, uh Wednesday, April 22nd, is we celebrate Earth Day.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1453.985, "end": 1613.465, "text": "The first official Earth Day was in 1970, and it has become a tradition across the world to remind us of our shared impact on our shared planet. The 2026 theme is Our Power, Our Planet, which emphasizes the meaningful environmental protection comes from people powered action from each and every one of us, not just policies or governments. This year, the call to action is even stronger in light of the recent successful NASA mission of Artemis II around the moon. The four astronauts aboard the Orion capsule traveled further than any other humans have. As they orbited the moon, they looked back and saw what every astronaut before them had described: a single fragile blue planet suspended in the darkness of space. No borders, no division, just one Earth for all of us. The image carries a powerful message. From the vastness of space, Earth's atmosphere appears as thin, as a thin, delicate line. It protects every forest, ocean, species, and community. It shelters every generation that has come before us and every generation still to come. And it reminds us that there is no backup planet. Exploration has always expanded humanity's understanding of what is possible. Artemis II represents courage, innovation, and hope. But it also reflects something deeply relevant here on Earth our responsibility towards it. Protecting Earth is not the task of one country, one city, or one generation. It is a shared commitment to sustainability, to stewardship, and to the choices that honor those who inherit this world long after we are gone. From space it is clear we share one Earth, and we are all responsible for protecting it together for future generations. As Victor Glover, the pilot of the Artemis II mission, said during uh the call with Earth crew on Easter Sunday, in all of this emptiness, this is a whole bunch of nothing. This this thing that we call the universe, you have this oasis, this beautiful place that we all get to exist together. And as uh the de facto environmentalist who created the the Nose Creek uh Preservation Society, um my advocacy I always called uh just kind of uh the burden of accidental knowledge. I kind of stumbled into advocacy for uh for the Nose Creek. And I encourage all of you to kind of stumble into learning about um this earth that we share because uh it is it is something important, and I think we all have responsibility for it. So thank you.", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1614.685, "end": 1617.365, "text": "Thank you so much. And we'll go next to Councillor Ward, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Ward", "start": 1619.545, "end": 1669.165, "text": "Uh we would uh it well it's my pleasure to invite all Calgarians to join us in celebrating National Volunteer Week this week, April nineteenth to twenty-fifth. Across the city, volunteers are the quiet force behind so much of what makes Calgary strong. They mentor young people, they support our seniors, they welcome newcomers, they strengthen our nonprofits, and step forward in times of need. Their contributions build not only services, but connection, belonging, and community. This year is especially meaningful. The United Nations General Assembly has named 2026 the International Year of the Volunteer for Sustainable Sustainable Development, and Volunteer Canada has set the national theme Ignite Volunteerism, a year long nation building celebration.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1669.765, "end": 1749.285, "text": "Here in Calgary, a collective of volunteer engagement leaders from across the nonprofit and community sector has come together to mark their moment this moment in a big way. Together that are shining a light on the incredible impact volunteers have across our city and creating opportunities for all Calgarians to get involved. Throughout the week, you'll find events happening in communities across Calgary, celebrations, learning opportunities, and ways to connect with causes that matter to you. Whether you are a longtime volunteer or just getting started, there is a place for you. I would encourage you to check out the Volunteer Calgary webpage. I was on there yesterday. I was actually quite surprised by the breadth of options they have. I encourage everyone to take part. Say thank you to a volunteer, attend an event, or explore how you can contribute your time and talents. Because when we support volunteerism, we strengthen Calgary. And if I may give a suggestion, contact your local community association. They are always looking for volunteers and your skills and your Passion and desire is always needed with community associations. So even if you're just volunteering for a one-day event or joining their board, get in touch with your community association. They would be very appreciative to have you. So happy volunteers week. Happy National Volunteer Week to everybody.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1750.785, "end": 1752.985, "text": "Thank you so much, uh Councillor Ward. And", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1753.545, "end": 2533.305, "text": "before we go to question period, I just wanted to do another brief uh informal recognition. Yesterday marked the six month anniversary of our election as colleagues, as uh members of council, and I just wanted to just briefly Acknowledge uh Councillor Penazopoulos and I were speaking earlier this morning and we're talking about we're we've been able to really cross the threshold on a bunch of major decisions, the fingerprints of the previous council, adjusting the previous council's uh budget, uh hitting the resets on blanket rezoning. Many of the major files that we dealt with in the first six months were from our predecessors. And now we're really at the point where I don't think uh I I'm gonna try to get away with it, but I don't think any of us can get away with being rookies anymore. And I just wanted to uh just briefly give a giant thank you to each and every one of you. Uh starting with you, uh Councillor Ward. Uh you're you have the great privilege of representing what is probably the most challenging ward in the city, and take it for me, I know, uh, in terms of the population demands, the infrastructure challenges, development. And I'm probably the most engaged with your ward office just by virtue of our constituent CC on me all many of the emails that you're getting. And if you're replying to even a quarter of them, you and your ward 11 office are really kicking some uh serious butt, Councillor Ward, in in the best, in the best possible way. Uh Councillor Johnston, uh you've really brought to us a a small business perspective. On council, I really appreciate uh how you've kept asked the asking the tough questions. You've kept a focus on us uh on costs as well as the people outside of the room that we're here to represent. Uh Councillor Schmidt, you've uh contributed a really strong uh focus on on public safety. I really appreciate uh your eye for good governance, the institutions. I think it uh you're probably the most exciting lawyer that I've ever met. In terms of uh bedside matter. So again, that is a compliment before any before you call me out on the point of privilege. Uh I really appreciate as well the uh you bringing the experience of young families to the table. And I know yourself being a relatively uh uh recent father, that's the experience that you've been able to bring that I think is really worthwhile. Uh Councillor Kelly, I'm I'm looking at you. I remember being in this chamber about uh 10 years ago with you when I was uh competing in the City of Calgary hackathon. I think it's uh you're either to blame or to credit for my departure into political life. You were a personal uh inspiration to me in terms of starting my own uh public service journey and the experience you bring as uh a former colleague uh at the City of Calgary, as well as now uh my vice chair on our executive committee. You've been doing a lot of heavy lifting, more than uh probably anybody else uh will ever get the chance to know about. But I wanted this opportunity to say thanks uh as well. Uh Councillor Dallywell, I get to see you at a lot of events. Uh uh I don't know about you, but I was very proud uh when we were here six months ago for a swearing in. We saw an incredible amount of participation, a big contingent from Northeast Calgary, many people who uh up until relatively recently didn't necessarily see their voices reflected in the decisions that uh uh we've previously made. But the fact that you've been out there hustling, uh bringing a voice uh to every single corner of the city, especially on rec centers, on public safety, I think it really speaks to your community leadership. Uh Councillor Councillor Pandasopoulos, I think uh out of all of us, uh I might get in trouble for saying this, but you bring probably some of the greatest business sense, and it's largely to your credit. The the fact that I think you read through the thousands of pages of budget documents 15 times, 20 times, and it's to your own personal credit that you found a way for us uh to deliver what was likely, I believe, I'm safe in saying, the lowest property tax generation that uh city council has passed, uh pro the lowest property tax increase that we've passed in a generation in at least the last 25 years, and your financial sense on Calgary economic development is really well fed uh felt. Um Councillor Atkinson, I really I I had the chance to be with you uh at a recent event where we were hosted by youth in planning and development. And on the stage, then I I think I described you as kind of the heart and the conscience of our city council, and uh your your your constant advocacy for accessibility, uh, for the environment, uh, for transit, for public safety, for housing. I think you play a role that hardly anybody is able to around this horseshoe. And I think it's to the large credit that uh the skills and experience that you bring uh to this team has allowed us to be able to execute so well in our first six months. Of course, there's gonna be ups and downs in rockiness, and I think you're gonna be there holding us uh uh accountable and keeping us honest uh every step of the way. Uh Councillor Clark, what can I say about you? You are The representative that I am probably the most personally proud of, because I remember growing up in Dover, Forest Lawn, how as a kid I never felt that I was uh, besides uh a run in with uh Councillor Clark, uh Ray Clark, uh, I think that you are giving him very much uh a run for his money. Uh your your constant advocacy. uh for your residence, the small business experience as well that uh you bring. Uh as well as your your quiet thoughtfulness. I think that uh and again this is a lesson I've had to take in over the last ten years is listen more than I speak. But I know that when you put your RTS in the queue and when you put your microphone on, I better Better listen because it's always incredibly well informed and and thank you as well for the uh the great work that you do because I think I'm even harder on your decisions, knowing that if uh you vote a certain way, my mom will be complaining and my brother will be too. But they haven't complained to me yet, just to be clear. Uh Councillor Ewell, I think uh in terms of our own professional and uh political background, I think uh I really relate to to the work that you bring to to horseshoe, the the advocate advocacy uh at the grassroots, uh to you as you mentioned on Earth Day, uh having led an environmental nonprofit. Uh I think uh I don't know how. I don't know if council realizes how good we've had it with you so far, based on uh Green Line, transit advocacy, and all the rest, but you've been doing a great job uh to bring uh attention to a quadrant of the city. And I do believe North Central is a quadrant uh that has not really gotten much attention. So we've we think about Calgary as northeast, southwest, all these quadrants, but I think uh your advocacy has really shined a light on an area of the city that's not had the level of investment and attention that uh it really should. Uh Councillor Jameson, or should I say Deputy Mayor? Jameson, you've done double duty as my deputy, and you'll probably know more than anybody else uh how busy I keep you with these events and you've really uh saved my butt many times in terms of uh me running late, you filling in, uh representing the city very well around the table, as well as the business experience that you bring, has really brought uh uh Really brought a greater focus on financial responsibility around here. You challenge us to do better, but I've really appreciated the fact that you see us uh probably more than anybody else as a board of directors of a high performing company. And you've done really well to bring your skill set to the table. And I've got to see you not just in the in business environments like this, but out in the community. And you've done such a great job being an ambassador for me personally as well as uh as the city of Calgary. Uh Councillor Tyres is not here with us, but I've had a lot of time with her on the ground and Boness, Montgomery, Ward 7 as well with Councillor Atkinson. Councillor Tyres has done a tremendous job bringing a voice to the table for an area of the city that's been really hard hit by a lot of our infrastructure challenges. And not just redevelopment, but also the water main, and even before that, the 2013 flood. I could not be more proud of the advocacy that Councillor Tyres has brought to the table. Councillor Chabot, I had the opportunity to join you for about two and a half hours last night at Monterey Park. And man, the uh encyclopedic knowledge, the questions that you got put on the spot, and the fact that you could answer all of them with about 11 out of 10 uh detail in terms of even littering, garbage, uh, garbage bin placement, utility bills, off site levies, fee structures, the exact orientation of traffic safety signage, 45 degree or 90 degree tilt, that level of detail. I mentioned to your constituents that on the day that we were sworn in, you in that single brain and heart of yours had more experience on counsel than all fourteen of us combined. So you you run the tape, you run the numbers, the amounts of months, the years served. In you, there is more experience than all 14 of us combined. And I just want to extend a very personal thank you for your mentorship, your support to this council. Uh we could have really gone off the rails, and we have occasionally, but the fact that 11 of us were brand new to our jobs and the fact that we were hit our stride was because a lot of the behind the scenes mentoring, the coaching, uh not the people, not many people know this, but we have the opportunity on our breaks for lunch or dinner. Uh to go to a side room where we're able to break bread. And I know that you probably spend more time behind the scenes in the lunchroom than hardly any other member of council. And the fact that you're there, uh accessible, available to me, uh in terms of asking stupid questions behind the scenes, so you don't call me out when I get the procedure bylaw wrong. But also the coaching and mentorship you've brought to the new members of council, I think it really speaks to you personally in terms of how we've been able to execute and hit the ground running. Uh Councillor White, I so appreciate having uh An incredibly well-informed and researched devil's advocate on this council. The long-term decisions that you challenge us to get right, the fact that we haven't had that eye for long-term capital planning until you made it your mission in life to get this done and get this done right for your constituents. You're doing an incredible job as our audit chair. The level of complexity and knowledge that you have to have about this organization to be able to do that job right, it's insane. I was the vice chair of our audit committee for a couple years, and that was the most incredibly challenging role that I've ever had in my time as a member of council. And the fact that you can do this as chair at the same time as we have such incredible frequency around the water main report, failing infrastructure, the infrastructure deficit, uh even risks around cyber, uh, the fact that you have this encyclopedic knowledge about pretty much everything that's going on in the city, all 20,000 of our colleagues, I don't even know that. And I'm the mayor and I'm supposed to know that. So the way that you come to each and every one of these meetings prepared, uh, I don't know. I you guys have on your screens like the timer that counts down when people are in the queue as they're speaking. The fact that you can milk five minutes in a way that it feels and the way that it feels like 40 minutes, an hour or more, you're to the point, you do your homework, you ask pointing questions, and you make all of us better. So again, thank you for your services, our chair. Uh Councillor McLean, what what can I say about you besides uh you're an incredible constituency Councillor, I think, of the share of the vote, you got the biggest number out of all of us. I think I got the smallest number, at least the smallest threshold. But the fact that you do your work, you show up for your constituents, and you're also willing to take on some really challenging files when it comes to being our intergovernmental chair. Representing us with the provincial and the federal government. I know that you've personally gone to great lengths supporting me in that role. We've hit the road together. We've traveled thousands of miles to be able to make the case. You're an incredible ambassador for the city, and I just wanted to thank you as well for your service. So with that, Council, my recognition is all to you formally. Thank you for the work that you've done, the incredible strengths, the differences you've brought to the table. It's been a hell of a six months. We're starting to really make a difference in the work that we're healing alongside. And thank you as well to you and your leadership, David. Furious, uh, we'll we'll we we think we get a handle on one crisis until we understand what next year's crisis will be. But uh just by extension, thank you from all of us to to you, uh your your executive leadership team, as well as the uh member many members of administration who may be uh watching our live stream. And I will say that uh if uh you're happy with my remarks, don't worry, we can only fit two people at a time in a shower. So With that, uh let's move please to question Yes, all of you, please. But but seriously, an amazing first six months. I I'm really looking forward to to see uh where we go. We we we are no longer the rookies. This is our council. We are not the new council, this is our council, and we have a lot of work to do over the next three and a half years, and I could not legitimately I could not be more proud of the team that we've assembled, both uh in unelected and elected service. So", "segments_merged": 51 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 2533.685, "end": 2537.205, "text": "Uh Councillor Chabot, your first up or question period, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2539.585, "end": 2542.025, "text": "Well arguably second, but I'll take the first.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2542.025, "end": 2544.465, "text": "You made it in the queue anyway, so I thought I might as well.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2544.605, "end": 2549.985, "text": "Thank you, appreciate that. No, sorry about that. I um like I said, I thought I heard the the Yavel uh get banged.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2550.365, "end": 2600.225, "text": "Um so my question is to administration. Um recently I had a meeting with Atco and and they were talking about uh franchise fee and and the need for us to to settle on a very specific methodology that they're advocating for. Um And uh and initially I thought it wasn't a bad idea until I started reflecting on the past and and how we came to the decision that we did. Uh but they seem to indicate that it was eminent uh that we had to make a decision right away. Uh can somebody tell me uh when we are need to make a decision so that we can actually see this through by by the end of the year to implement uh effective January one and and can council uh get um you know uh what would it take for council to have all the information before them to make a value based decision on this uh as opposed to just", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2601.145, "end": 2608.305, "text": "Take somebody else's advice and move forward. It would be very simple, but it's not simple. So, Mr. Brown, maybe you can answer that question for me.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "A/Chief Financial Officer A. Brown", "start": 2610.525, "end": 2694.545, "text": "Thank you for the question. I can answer parts of that right now. So in terms of process, ACO is correct. It does need to move fairly quickly if we're going to get it in place for 2027. We provided some information to all of council through the inquiry system, I believe this week or last week, might have actually been last week. In terms of the process, what's required? It does require it is something that is council driven. We do need a notice of motion from council in order to act on it, and ultimately then it goes through a series of regulator approvals to reach that point. So we do need to do something over the summer. I don't have that the exact timelines in front of me. We can definitely bring back a high-level sort of strategic outlook. We were on a model previously that was highly volatile due to commodity prices, and I know that was a concern for council, for that council as well as Calgarians when it changed. Went to a quantitative only model, which is much more stable. That's why we don't see the volatility in the franchise fee budget number or the revenue number. This is close the model that I believe that ACCO is recommending is very similar to the quantity, but slightly different. So we can bring an analysis of all those to the May Council meeting if that's council's direction.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2695.485, "end": 2704.305, "text": "Yeah, no, thanks. And just as a quick follow up, we the methodology that we're using for natural gas is the same methodology that we're using for electricity. Is that correct?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "A/Chief Financial Officer A. Brown", "start": 2704.625, "end": 2707.505, "text": "I believe that is correct. Yes, the quantity only model.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2707.705, "end": 2708.205, "text": "Thanks.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 2708.385, "end": 2731.525, "text": "Councillor Shibo, if I could supplement Acting CFO Brown's comments. I believe, Council, you have a memo in the CU inquiry system regarding past decisions, what we would require to do to be a future decision on this item. If it's not in there, it's coming here really soon. And of course, we'll get back to you just to confirm timelines. If you wanted to make a change, how quickly you'd have to do that. So we'll get back to you on the inquiry system.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2732.085, "end": 2736.205, "text": "Thanks. No, I did get the briefing note. Just wanted to highlight it for all members of council. Thanks.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 2739.005, "end": 2740.865, "text": "Thank you. Uh Councillor Dallywell, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 2741.045, "end": 2752.745, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. Just allow me a little bit. I want to build a context. I won't take long. My question is very short. One of the success criteria in transit is passengers per revenue hour.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 2753.405, "end": 2833.165, "text": "Six out of ten top performing routes are in board five. Just an example Route 159, PROH 126. Route 59, which is running every 27 minutes, PROH 126. If I compare to some other routes in some other votes, I'm not going to name the routes because I don't want my colleagues to get mad at me. PROH of 14, 15, Route 300, I'll mention PROH of 18. What I want to understand is, and then if I go to shuttle buses, Route 80, Route 80, PROH of 41, which would be best, 19th best in the city. We just declared, not declared, we started on demand service in six communities. Running nine till nine p.m. seven days a week. Yet, yet Route 80, which is one of the topest one of the top performing routes, is only running till 4 or 5 or 6 p.m. And residents have been demanding, asking why we are not getting the proper transit service when the ridership is there. And yet we want to put 50,000 hours into other parts of the city just to see if ridership will go. My question is why? Why residents are left behind and they're not getting what they deserve, which is proper transit service when the ridership is there.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Morgan", "start": 2836.785, "end": 2938.745, "text": "Great question and great metrics. Indeed, passenger per operating hour is a key metric for Calgary Transit to look at where to make capacity investments. As you can imagine, they're trying to balance two things. One is uh the amount of capacity you have for heavily used routes, but also to make sure we've got the coverage and the introduction of new service to new communities and new areas and new time frames. So they're constantly trying to balance those two to make sure people have access and also access to capacity. We have made uh investments in the great market that is the Northeast with lots of customers in 2023. We did a transit service review, uh, made an investment of um, I believe it was uh 23,000 hours. We anticipate to make further investments based on the approvals of which you led in the fall in the Northeast. Uh, Route 80 will get an extension in service hours to go from 7 o'clock when it finishes now, later in the evening, and also introduce weekend service in September and more investments in December. So, indeed, we do have lots of strong routes that we're trying to balance with the introductions of new service. We do what we call a transit service review where we dig in to areas and look at not only investing new service, but can we reallocate, get more efficient, drive those passengers per revenue operating hour up so we get the best bang for the investments uh that council's given us. So happy to continue to report those um those metrics and hear from your community if we need to fine-tune that service delivery. But you should see a change on Route 80 in September and more in December. And as investments continue to come, we'll see that uh that um those investments in the Northeast and Route 80 to continue.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 2939.065, "end": 2940.965, "text": "Yeah, um I'm glad to hear that", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 2941.225, "end": 2958.745, "text": "June sign up is happening right now, so we have missed that boat. But I'm happy to hear that September there will be an increase in hours. That's what I heard. And let's start making decisions based on data, and data is clear that ridership is where and buses should go where the ridership is. But thank you for answering my question. Uh that's it for me, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 2959.405, "end": 2962.265, "text": "Thank you, uh Councillor Atkinson for your final question.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 2963.445, "end": 2994.765, "text": "Uh yeah, last week uh council received a letter talking about some of the uh mitigations that will be taking place in Cowboys Park due to the Cowboys Music Festival coming in and the closure of the skateboard park for a 30 day period. Um and I I noted that on the on the bottom of the letter on the memo, it's signed by members of administration, but also Paul Vickers from Pennyland Entertainment. And as far as I'm aware, he's not on the payroll, he's not a member of administration. Uh and uh I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2995.205, "end": 3009.625, "text": "Don't see any other stakeholders. We don't see the skateboarders. We don't see the downtown West End. So I guess I wonder why Paul Vickers from Pennyland Entertainment is signing a memo from administration to council members. That's my first question.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Morgan", "start": 3010.565, "end": 3051.725, "text": "Sure, happy to take that question. Uh indeed, uh Penning Lane Entertainment is a partner uh in an event that's occurring at Cowboys Park. And in that letter, there are some requirements of administration. There's also requirements of our partner. And we thought in discussions with that to make that commitment to council, knowing there was some concern about the event and mitigation in the community, to have both partners come forward, make that commitment strongly to council so you know that we're aligned and that we're sensitive to not only a successful event, but also the impact that we've had in the community. If we've had to close part of the park in order to hold the event, that was the intent around that being co signed between the event organizer as well as the city of Calgary.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3051.905, "end": 3116.165, "text": "Perfect. Thank you. And then uh a follow-up is just um This is really this whole issue around the park and the sort of naming and the sponsorship has brought up a lot of uh concern on my behalf around the use of public space and how sponsorship uh is, I think, dictating uh how we use our public goods and our public services and whether we're getting the right balance of how these spaces are to perform for the public and whether these sponsorships are actually interfering with what we need to be doing in terms of delivering service at a high level for the public. And I wonder uh what it would take to daylight the contract so that the public can have an understanding about the trade offs that are uh inherent in these sponsorship agreements and whether we think that this is something that we want to take on as a city council to take some sponsorship dollars, but have the trade offs in terms of the loss of the public good.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 3116.865, "end": 3121.405, "text": "Sorry, point of order. Is this a second question or a follow-up? Because it seems like a", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 3121.405, "end": 3121.825, "text": "The uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 3121.825, "end": 3122.025, "text": "different", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 3121.985, "end": 3125.005, "text": "procedure bylaw allows for a follow up question if the um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 3125.005, "end": 3126.025, "text": "first question is an answer.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 3126.025, "end": 3138.085, "text": "Yes, the uh the Councillor has the opportunity to do a follow up. I've extended that opportunity for you, Councillor Johnston, and the uh question has been asked by Councillor Atkinson and we'll ask for please uh a response from administration.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Morgan", "start": 3140.185, "end": 3214.825, "text": "Happy to provide a response. Maybe I'll give a little bit of color. So the sponsorship program really what we do is we keep that confidential because a lot of those are negotiations. They're a bit bespoke as how we maximize the value of the naming of a public asset. So that that's the reason they're confidential. Certainly we can take away and have a look at the efficacy of that and whether we need to make a change. So based on this question, I'll commit to working with law a little bit and to evaluate whether that would be a good change. The second thing is the sponsorship agreement is for naming and it provides an opportunity. Like many public assets around the city, we do hold events, we hold parades, we do uh the folk festival in the park. So uh that was a related but not really covered overall in the sponsorship agreement. The sponsorship provided uh the number of days to the event organizers to hold their event. They then move into the a similar process that every event goes on in Cowrie to balance the public use of the asset and the event and work out all the details. So just some nuances of what is in the sponsorship is really the naming of the area. The event itself is a separate uh negotiation that we do with the with the event organizers. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 3215.805, "end": 3216.585, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 3217.345, "end": 3218.605, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Atkinson.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3220.605, "end": 3244.625, "text": "Let's now move to the confirmation of the agenda. May I please have a mover? Always reliable, Deputy Mayor. Moved by Deputy Mayor Jameson. Seconded by Councillor Ewell. The agenda is on the table. Are there any amendments? All right, seeing uh none, uh let's engage the evote, please, uh, on the agenda.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 3275.985, "end": 3277.485, "text": "Councillor Ewell, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 3277.825, "end": 3278.205, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 3278.505, "end": 3280.345, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Jamison, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 3280.865, "end": 3282.365, "text": "It's not working on this side, but yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 3283.425, "end": 3284.825, "text": "Councillor Clark, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor H. Clark", "start": 3284.825, "end": 3285.165, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 3285.405, "end": 3291.005, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please. Absent.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 3292.565, "end": 3294.605, "text": "Yes, I think I heard a yes from Councillor Shabok.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 3295.245, "end": 3298.825, "text": "Councillor Shabot is a yes, noted. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 3298.845, "end": 3299.165, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 3299.285, "end": 3301.285, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3301.525, "end": 3443.605, "text": "Thank you. Please uh display the results. On that, the uh motion is carried 14 to 0. The agenda has been confirmed. All right, so please give us uh just a few moments here while we uh swap out members of administration for the public hearing portion of the agenda. For all items on the agenda under this section 7 reports for public hearing, we'll start with a presentation by administration representing the recommendations of the Calgary Planning Commission. Then we will open the public hearing. The applicant, if present, will make the first presentation. Once the applicant is finished speaking, I will go to the list of registered speakers, rotating the remaining registered speakers between those in favor, against, and neither. Council is restricted in these public hearings to issues of land use, the use and not the user, and I will stop you if you aren't speaking to the use. I'll also take this time to remind everyone that for every public hearing matter, council members are amenable to persuasion. Public speakers have a maximum of five minutes to make their presentation. For those that are presenting in the council chamber, there is a timer on the screen at the podium to help you manage your time. Council members may ask their questions after each speaker is finished presenting. For our remote participants, please set a five-minute timer for yourself. After your presentation, please remain on the line as we may have questions for you. After your item concludes, please drop off the telephone line and continue following through the live stream. We may establish panels of up to five speakers if there are enough people registered to speak to a specific item, and council will ask its questions after all speakers in the panel are done. Panels of registered speakers will rotate between those in favor, against, and neither, to the extent that is practical. A speaker cannot transfer any of their speaking time to another speaker. And once we finish with all of the speakers, I will close the public hearing. Questions of clarification from council members to administration can be taken at this point. Then we will go to council to debate the item. Why don't we start us off on 7.2.1 Line Use Amendment in Westwinds Ward 5?", "segments_merged": 28 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3445.165, "end": 3626.145, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas, and good morning, Council. My name is Lindsay Ganzar. I'm a senior planner in the Community Planning Department, and I will be presenting the first six items on the agenda today. This first item is a land use redesignation application to increase the number of commercial uses allowed on the subject site. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 42D 2026 for the redesignation of 3660 West Winds Drive Northeast from a direct control or DC district to the commercial community one or CC1 district. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the community of West Winds at the southwest corner of West Winds Drive and Castle Ridge Boulevard Northeast, and is approximately 400 meters or a seven minute walk east of the McKnight Westwinds LRT station. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 1.05 hectares in area and is currently developed with two commercial buildings that contain a bank and a restaurant. The transit stops shown on this map service multiple bus routes within the city. Next slide, please. Surrounding development consists primarily of commercial uses along West Winds Drive, shown in red, light industrial uses to the southwest, shown in grey, and residential uses to the east, shown in yellow and orange. A small park with playground is located across Castle Ridge Boulevard to the southeast. The subject parcel is currently designated as a direct control district based on the Industrial Commercial or IC district. The intent of this DC district is to allow for a select few commercial uses that are compatible with the adjacent light industrial uses, such as catering services and seasonal sales. The rest of the rules of the DC district remain the same as those in the based IC district, including a maximum building height of 12 meters and a maximum floor area ratio of 1.0. Next slide, please. The proposed CC1 district is intended for small to medium scale commercial developments and would allow for a larger variety of commercial uses that could serve both the employees and residents of the area. The district has a maximum building height of 10 meters and a maximum floor area ratio of 1.0. Next slide, please. In closing, the proposal would allow for additional commercial amenities and employment opportunities close to low density residential neighborhoods and the primary transit network. As such, Calgary Planning Commission recommends that council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject parcel. Thank you, Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 15 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3626.725, "end": 3636.085, "text": "Thank you so much. With that, we will open our public hearing. Do we have the uh proponent with us? Thanks for being here. Please uh approach.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Mitchell Martens", "start": 3639.565, "end": 3654.025, "text": "Good morning, Mayor Farkas and Councillors. My name is Mitchell Martins, municipal liaison with Rick Belby Architect. I am representing on behalf of the landowner for this application. I don't have any additional presentation for you today, but I do welcome any questions you may have for me.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3656.085, "end": 3657.625, "text": "Thank you, colleagues. Any questions?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 3660.325, "end": 3661.365, "text": "Councillor Dallywell, please?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 3662.045, "end": 3664.005, "text": "Yeah, thanks, Mayor. Um just a", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 3664.205, "end": 3717.845, "text": "thank you for um coming together today. Um Uh previously it was a direct control uh with a base district of C N2? I can't remember now, but anyways, uh if you know, I can't ask uh admin. Uh now we are going to CN1. Um have you uh is your um uh landowner or whoever uh do they know what uses they want to bring here? Because one of the things about this site is uh it's very congested. Uh traffic is a big issue, both on uh uh Castle Ridge Boulevard, 64th Avenue, West Wind Drive, um lots of commercial retailers, superstores right there, gas station, all those kind of so have they thought about that? Because I would have loved to see maybe a DC coming in with some sort of a permitted uses in there that could be allowed given where this site is.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Mitchell Martens", "start": 3718.065, "end": 3748.365, "text": "No, that's a great question, Councillor. So the landowner of this site is actually the landowner of the site to the west. We had gone through land use redesignation about one or two years ago to CC1. The existing DC for this site was based on IC, which was more in line with those industrial sites to the south. But a portion of this parcel was actually redesignated CC1 a few years back to accommodate medical uses.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 3748.685, "end": 3764.605, "text": "The owner now wants to redesignate the remainder of this parcel just to accommodate a few more opportunities for future development. There's nothing specific in mind at this time, but allowing more flexibility for tenants across the entire parcel and the adjacent parcel to the west.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 3764.785, "end": 3768.265, "text": "And was there a requirement to do uh TIA for this application?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Mitchell Martens", "start": 3768.285, "end": 3769.245, "text": "Yes, there was. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 3769.245, "end": 3779.485, "text": "Okay, great. Because I remember this would there was an application about two years ago on this site that council uh declined to feed it and I'm glad they did. But thank you so much, that's all I have.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 3780.585, "end": 3782.225, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Pantasopoulos, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 3782.225, "end": 3826.145, "text": "Thanks so much for coming. Really quick, just in the administration's presentation, this is in a transit-oriented uh development area, the 600 meters. And uh any development permit, quote, including consideration of reduced parking requirements, pedestrian crossings, and limited limiting, limiting auto-oriented uses. Maybe just speak from a developer perspective. Uh you mentioned the owner wants to sort of keep some flexibility, change uses, et cetera. Maybe just speak to that. When you're thinking about development, how do TODs impact your thoughts? Uh, does it work? You're you're in that sort of catchment basin. Just maybe speak a bit about that from a developer perspective and those restrictions, comments like limiting auto use, reducing parking requirements, does that constrain your ability to develop? Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Mitchell Martens", "start": 3826.325, "end": 3828.865, "text": "Sure. Great question. So", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 3829.725, "end": 3878.965, "text": "with the proposed CC1 zoning, it allows a lot more smaller commercial uses, things like restaurants, takeout services, smaller retail uses, which can be more pedestrian oriented. The CC1 district, if I'm remembering correctly, does not have as many automotive oriented uses because it is more aligned for a pedestrian oriented environment. So And with the existing uses on site, you know, there's, I believe there's a Tim Hortons, um, which obviously is a drive-thru, but um, you know, the multi tenant building on the south and then future prospects for redevelopment on the site would allow uh opportunities for more pedestrian oriented and restricted development, if that answers your question.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 3879.745, "end": 3889.805, "text": "I think it does. We spend a lot of time talking about residential and the impact. So it was just really great. I wanted to hear from a commercial and and how that impacts. So I really appreciate your thoughts on the matter. Thanks so much. Thank you, Chair.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3892.825, "end": 3911.645, "text": "Thank you so much. Anyone else? Nope. Great. Thank you so much for being here with us. Is there anyone else who would like to speak to this item? All right. Seeing none, the uh public hearing is closed. Uh, do we have any questions from administration?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 3912.905, "end": 3913.745, "text": "Councillor Dallywell? Yep.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 3914.085, "end": 3940.145, "text": "Yeah, uh Mayor, I'll move this too, but just just one question. Um TIA was done. Uh any any flags there uh is there gonna be requirement to upgrade any of the uh uh intersections like 64, Castlewick, that kind of stuff, or everything is good and the the traffic that is gonna be created or uh will be able to uh be accommodated uh within the existing infrastructure?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 3941.765, "end": 3996.465, "text": "Uh through the chair Tom Hopkins Development Engineering. So a TIA was carried out for this application. It was more of a trip generation comparison to the existing uses, which the uses were fairly similar from a trip generation perspective. It also included other sites surrounding that. So at the development permit stage, we'll take a look to see if any improvements are needed. But I understand that administration colleagues and infrastructure services are. Carrying out some of the Ward 5 connections this year with connecting pedestrian active modes along 64th with a shared pathway on the south side, as well as intersection improvements at 64th and uh Castle Ridge Boulevard as well. So there wouldn't be a need for improvements with this land use, but we are monitoring it to ensure that uh operations continue to be uh within appropriate uh appropriate uh spaces.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 3996.765, "end": 4021.445, "text": "Okay, great. Thank you. With that, I'll move it. Straight application, simple application. I want to thank applicant for reaching out to our office discussing this. Like I said a couple years ago, so there was a land use that was actually very, very different than this. So happy to support it and I urge council to uh to to support it too. Thank you. With that, I'm open and move.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 4022.165, "end": 4031.265, "text": "Thanks. That's been moved by Councillor Chabot. Any further debate? Or sorry, uh, that was been moved by Councillor Daliwell, second by Councillor Chabot.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4031.445, "end": 4031.705, "text": "Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 4032.245, "end": 4033.025, "text": "Just briefly, uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4033.025, "end": 4033.305, "text": "Oh yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 4033.685, "end": 4036.945, "text": "I'm happy to support this. Anything that can help to move um lands.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4037.325, "end": 4041.765, "text": "Uh to develop sooner rather than later to increase our tax base. I'm happy to support that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4043.865, "end": 4045.065, "text": "All right. Anyone else?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 4046.645, "end": 4047.725, "text": "Councillor Dallywell to close.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 4047.745, "end": 4048.165, "text": "Close.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4048.905, "end": 4051.085, "text": "All right, man, clerk. Let's uh please engage the e-vote.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 4068.525, "end": 4073.125, "text": "Councillor Jamison, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 4074.165, "end": 4074.525, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 4074.725, "end": 4077.025, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 4077.125, "end": 4077.445, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 4077.585, "end": 4079.665, "text": "Thank you. All the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4080.205, "end": 4118.405, "text": "Thank you. Please uh display the results. That motion is carried unanimously, 14 to 0. We'll now move to the readings of the bylaw. First reading of bylaw 42D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 42 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 42 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that's carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 42 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Great. We will now move to item 7.2.2, land use amendment in Deerfoot Business Center.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 4119.845, "end": 4267.705, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item on the agenda is a land use redesignation application that would allow for school uses in an industrial area. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to refuse and abandon proposed bylaw 40 D 2026 for the redesignation of 1020 68th Avenue Northeast from the Industrial General or IG District to a Direct Control or DC district. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in Deerfoot Business Center at the northwest corner of 68th Avenue and 10th Street Northeast. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 4.5 hectares in area and is currently developed with a vacant office building. Next slide, please. Surrounding land use is designated for light to medium industrial use with nearby developments such as warehouses, manufacturing facilities, heavy equipment operations, and offices. Other allowed uses within the Deerfoot Business Center include power plants, salvage yards, freight yards, and distilleries. The area is ideally located to benefit from major transportation routes like Deerfoot Trail to the west and Calgary International Airport to the east, which support industrial activity and goods movement. The subject parcel is currently designated as the IG district, which allows for light and medium industrial uses with limited commercial uses. The maximum floor area ratio in the district is 1.0 and there is no maximum building height. Next slide, please. The proposed DC district is based on the existing IG district, but includes the additional uses of public and private kindergarten to grade 12 schools. There are no other proposed changes to the base district. Next slide, please. This application would allow for two uses that are incompatible with the surrounding context and would introduce uses that may disrupt the functioning of an important industrial and logistics area of the city. Therefore, Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council refuse and abandon the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject parcel. Thank you, Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 14 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4268.365, "end": 4275.525, "text": "Thank you so much. We'll move now to our public hearing on this matter. Do we have the proponent with us? Thank you. Please approach.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4285.405, "end": 4288.805, "text": "Good morning. Uh Your Worship Mayor Farkas, esteemed uh Councillor. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 4288.805, "end": 4362.345, "text": "My name is Colin Galant. I'm representing the current parcel owner and the um plan tenant, Rocky Mountain Chartered School Division. Um, obviously, as part of this, we have been working with administration over the last few months for this land use application to allow for the discretionary use of the school use on this site here. Uh, we want to give a little bit of um information here as part of it. Uh, Rocky Mountain School uh Charter School is an approved charter school by the Minister of Education with Alberta Education and the Premier's office, which they have been working with that application over the last year. And they are wanting to move ahead as part of this opportunity for an adaptive reuse of this 150,000 square foot office space, which has been mentioned has been vacant for multiple years. It is a prime candidate for adaptive reuse for this use as it includes a commercial kitchen, loading dock, multi purpose assembly space, locker line corridors, dedicated drop off and poor cut share. It has ample parking and outdoor conversion space for school requirements such as play areas and can easily", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4363.025, "end": 4453.785, "text": "Easily address any safety accessibility measures as needed as part of to support the development as it goes through the development permit stages if successful with this land use application here. We have worked through multiple aspects of it with sanitary capacity studies that's been submitted to City of Calgary to support transportation impact assessments. Also looking at the multi use pathway connections to help alleviate any concerns administration may have about the use in this context as we work through the development stages of this application. A little more context. The Plan Charter School is 750 students, 50 staff. It is a K-12. I mentioned it has the support of the Alberta Education, Minister of Education, and the Premier's Office. They are an innovative program built on three core pillars of their education, health and wellness, sustainable agriculture, global technology. They're working towards a 21st century learning program, which is learn anywhere as you need as part of it. So this is a great opportunity for to address a need for more schools in this application, in this city. And this is a prime candidate for adaptive reuse of an existing building that has been vacant for quite some time since the current, the previous tenant, Joan Dynamics, moved out of that facility. So I'll leave that as part of my app uh my presentation, and I open up the forum to any questions that you may have.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 4455.085, "end": 4457.405, "text": "Thank you. I believe we have a question from Councillor Johnston.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 4458.665, "end": 4467.205, "text": "Yeah, administration has recommended we don't proceed with this. And I'm just curious what your thoughts are on why they would not recommend this.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 4467.685, "end": 4523.385, "text": "Well, understanding that as part of it, the it has an alignment issues with the MDP. Understanding it as policy, but in terms of it looking outside of the policy, this is a great opportunity for the jurisdiction of in an encapsion area of the Northeast to allow for a charter school to be in this placement. Um representing is with me is the um the school foundation over here, as well as some um of the potential parents that have enrolled into this um this school. Again, it is uh a great opportunity to take a piece of an asset such as the current office building that is vacant, and we can convert it to a use that is very suitable for its its needs. It is really a prime candidate for this. And so it's a great opportunity to help increase and meet the needs of more schools in this city, as well as do something with an asset that would potentially be vacant and unused for quite some time.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4524.245, "end": 4578.065, "text": "Right. Um, right across the street is uh St. John's ambulance uh training center. So you know the uh you go there for certificates, so I mean some can argue it's a type of a school. Right across the street. Um, just down the road, there's a daycare. Um, so for me, this would be a great location for a charter school. Um unused building, um lots of parking, green space for a play area. I mean, we need more schools. I think it's good to think outside the box. Um, and this isn't even outside, this is somewhere in the box because like I said, there's already a school right next door to it. Um I don't know if that's technically a school, but there's training there. Uh daycare down the road. Um yeah, I have no issue with this. Um but thank you.", "segments_merged": 20 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4579.905, "end": 4588.525, "text": "Thanks. I'll just ask colleagues if we can uh limit our discussion when we have questions uh for questions for the applicant and we can have debate for debates time.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 4591.125, "end": 4592.905, "text": "Uh over to Councillor Kelly, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 4594.425, "end": 4597.125, "text": "Thank you, Borship, and thank you for being here today. Really appreciate it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 4597.505, "end": 4621.445, "text": "Uh speaking of schools, uh, we'll get to that in a minute. Uh uh as a former uh uh board member of a charter school before taking on this role, I have to admit I'm rather intrigued uh rather intrigued with host one because uh I know how difficult it can be to find uh a space. I'm wondering if you can maybe just uh you said K 12, correct?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 4621.605, "end": 4622.165, "text": "Correct.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 4622.665, "end": 4625.685, "text": "Uh where is the school currently operating out of?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 4626.765, "end": 4635.385, "text": "This is a new uh char school. This will be the first of part of the Rocky Mountain Division. And the applicant as part of can speak more to it, but it is a brand new school, char school.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 4635.785, "end": 4638.045, "text": "Okay, and the you said 750 students.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 4638.045, "end": 4641.465, "text": "That is the plan as part of the enrollment for this application. Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 4641.525, "end": 4643.005, "text": "And would that be on day one?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 4643.145, "end": 4649.025, "text": "K to nine will be on as part of the first application. The nine to twelve will be in a second phase as part of it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 4649.205, "end": 4651.365, "text": "How many students do we anticipate in year one?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 4651.605, "end": 4652.645, "text": "Roughly six hundred.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 4654.085, "end": 4656.305, "text": "So though they're already on the wait list, et cetera, ready.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 4656.305, "end": 4659.585, "text": "Correct. There is about a wait list of of about a thousand individuals.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 4659.805, "end": 4674.145, "text": "Got it. I admit this is a a difficult one for me just because it's in the uh it is fully surrounded by industrial. Uh did you have an opportunity to read through the um uh the Calgary Planning Commission comments?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 4674.405, "end": 4678.205, "text": "Uh yes, I have. I was part of the applicant and they uh presented at that time as well.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 4678.205, "end": 4683.545, "text": "Could you maybe just speak a little bit towards uh some of the concerns that they had and and what your thoughts are about about those?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 4683.785, "end": 4721.705, "text": "Obviously, as part of it, there was a big concern about safety as part of the application. Obviously, that would be a part of a design consideration that we would put forward as part of this design team. There is measures in space to mitigate a lot of those safety concerns to keep students in a safe applicant space to make sure that there is no cross-contamination of the existing uses around it. And also working with the Rocky Mountain Chartered School Division to ensure that the enrollment and the curriculum allows for that to be supported and that is more self contained. It is not a free roaming application that individuals that will have the ability to um ultimately leave the site and", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4722.785, "end": 4747.025, "text": "Potentially have those those risks mitigated as part of their uh with those safety concerns. So that was the big concern as part of it, and then we have a full design team ready to address that as we go forward as part of it. So safety is a number one concern as part of this design team and this the school foundation, and we're ready to address that as part of a detailed design as part of with working with administration do development permit.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 4749.125, "end": 4749.785, "text": "Uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 4750.005, "end": 4761.865, "text": "we frequently hear in our wards about pickups and drop-offs uh being being a problem. I wonder if you can maybe speak to that a little bit here for me. What like what are you looking at for bell times? How are kids getting to school, etc.?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 4762.245, "end": 4793.045, "text": "We would be working with the the Charter School Foundation on the curriculum based object, but the current building is set up with a already a dedicated drop-off loop with a pork con shake going through the front door administration. So the sequencing of in and out as part of the arrivals is already set up as part of the parcel with the existing curb cuts in place. Now we would work on frequencies, understanding with administration through mobility and roads. How do we can ensure that that is sequenced appropriately so we don't create congestion issues with the intersection?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 4795.065, "end": 4807.625, "text": "Okay, and uh uh this was not included in the in in the application. There really the applicant submission was only two paragraphs, which is not much for us to work off of. Uh so I wonder if you could just uh in terms of", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 4808.045, "end": 4834.085, "text": "Clarify for all of us public school versus charter pardon me public school, charter school, private school, uh because certainly this looks like it's a private school in terms of the designation that we like the land use designation that's before us uh through with the DC. Um so I'm wondering if you can speak to that, and then the other bit that I'm wondering at uh that you can speak to as part of that as well is um why here, I I I guess.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 4834.785, "end": 4860.485, "text": "Um well I can speak to um the why here opportunity. Um like I said the Rocky Mountain Chartered School had the opportunity to look at this site to get their school that was approved and move forward on it because this is um as part of it a prime candidate for doing something unique um instead of doing a new build school as part of it. So it was a prime candidate for that. So it was an opportunity and they are bold", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4860.925, "end": 4880.625, "text": "and they took that opportunity to move forward on it. Um with the kind of the enrollment that I can't speak to like as part of it, that I don't understand the business case from the um the foundation, but it is open enrollment on their on their website. So as part of it, it's free to enroll as part of it. So it goes through their vetting process, but enrollment is through their website.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 4882.905, "end": 4889.245, "text": "Uh and then maybe just the last question just the uh uh the man uh what what's the charter of the school? What's the mandate?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 4890.005, "end": 4892.925, "text": "Uh I don't have the information on me s uh unfortunately, Councillor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 4893.725, "end": 4896.465, "text": "Thank you, worship. Thank you, Councillor Wenis, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4898.265, "end": 4898.605, "text": "Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 4898.945, "end": 4900.745, "text": "Or sorry, uh Councillor Pandasopoulos. I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4901.825, "end": 4903.145, "text": "you were in just under the one.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 4905.905, "end": 4906.765, "text": "you know a lot of us", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4906.945, "end": 4949.145, "text": "Live next to schools and I'll just pick up from Councillor Kelly about traffic and I live ten homes away from school and it's pretty chaotic and we don't have semi trucks and bulldozers and backhoes and semi trucks. So maybe just talk to us about those safety. Um talk to us about what's the expectation of the city because obviously we're gonna have to make some investments. Administration speaks to that. So maybe just speak to that specifically. You talk high-level drop-off, but we're gonna have kindergarten, kindergarten children across the street from where there is yellow iron to the south. So just talk me through that safety. This isn't just me driving down a 30-kilometer road. Just walk through that safety really in an industrial area adjacent to the airport.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 4949.425, "end": 4950.805, "text": "Oh uh absolutely so", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4951.565, "end": 5023.425, "text": "Understanding that we we do need to be safety is number one in terms of in terms of the parents, in terms of the students, and the staff that's part of it. We do have the opportunity of, like I said, a large parcel of land, eleven acres, to work through that as part of administration. Those details of a detailed design of what those loops would be done have not been fully addressed yet. Um obviously it's all pending on the approval of the land use. But DAO is something we take very seriously as part of the design team and as part of the the Rocky Mountain Charter School as part of their mandate as well. So we would be working through so making sure all containment is placed on land and on the parcel itself, so there is no cross-contamination of drop-offs and um pickoffs that would be allowing for individuals to meander off the site so that it is fully self-contained to making sure that, yes, that once these are entering the site, that drop offs and pick offs, pickups can be done in a safe, timely manner that do not allow for uh cross pollination of the surrounding administration surrounding streets or surrounding uses. So we would just work through that as a very detailed design or uh consideration as part of our site planning, and that would be kind of vetted and worked through with administration at the development permit stage.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 5023.985, "end": 5026.545, "text": "Is there a precedent for a kindergarten", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5027.285, "end": 5029.985, "text": "grade 12 school in an industrial park in Calgary?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5030.125, "end": 5031.785, "text": "Not to the uh my knowledge, no.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 5032.925, "end": 5041.845, "text": "Thoughts on is there a requirement to have the 30 kilometer speed limit, nine to nine, in this area if this was approved? Would that be a requirement? I can ask administration, but to your knowledge,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5042.025, "end": 5044.505, "text": "Not to my knowledge. I am not unaware of that as part of it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 5044.505, "end": 5048.065, "text": "why would that be? It is a school site. Wouldn't you have to have the reduced speed?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5048.485, "end": 5078.485, "text": "I would assume so, but again, we can probably look at that in terms of can we create that through the throat of our our parcel as part of it so we can designate and change that that that the mileage of of that and be able to can basically create a safe avenue through the site. So we can keep it as a city street and we can keep it as long as um again measures around the barriers of it, and we can reduce the speed internally and create essentially a city uh uh design street with that reduced speed for that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 5078.985, "end": 5089.485, "text": "When when schools are built, is there requirements um for uh sound or uh just just things like that, like generally when they have to be certain distance away from", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5090.085, "end": 5094.405, "text": "this is a heavy industrial area. Do you know if there's any or is it no it doesn't really matter? It's down to", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5094.405, "end": 5106.505, "text": "Not to my knowledge, but all again, the um the the the nature of the building is already a triple glazed building as part of it. So sound attenuation in terms of is current facade is probably the as a Cadillac as you get in terms of um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5107.505, "end": 5144.905, "text": "an existing fenestration. So yes, sound and attenuation would be a concern, but not necessarily as sort of the planning principles, but as a cat as a candidate for an adaptive reuse, this building definitely is as one of the best as part of it. Based off of what is currently existed, just for general information, the previous tenant, General Dynamics, was working on tank guided systems as part of it. So the infrastructure that was in this building was when it was built, was beyond um, I guess you would say, the standard bearer. So it has a great shelf life, and to date, it's better than some of the applications we would see forward because of the investments they did back then.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 5145.085, "end": 5152.285, "text": "I was just gonna ask about that general dynamics, yeah, that'd be a different piece. But d does that does that provide any caution to your your your client that", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5153.205, "end": 5178.685, "text": "inside it'll be super quiet and makes sense. They built it triple pain and sound, but you're gonna have children outside playing in a playground as they should, you know, getting fresh air. In industrial. Um, but but regardless, just just any thoughts there. Is there again is there any regulations or rules? My my fear is you extend it down the road and in a year or two now we have to have some adjustments. This this conflict between a school and an industrial, there's a requirement. If you have any knowledge, that would be super helpful.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5178.685, "end": 5199.185, "text": "Nothing has been brought forward to as part of Alberta infrastructure and the uh uh Calgary, I'm sorry, uh uh Alberta education standards, but we would be working with them through to meet all the standards as part of the for um compliance. So when it comes down to the school design, it is through their aspects of it. So if they do flag any of those concerns, we would be meeting their standards.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 5200.125, "end": 5207.605, "text": "Um and then maybe you you made a comment. Um the existing neighbors, it sort of works. I'm I'm I'm thinking about future.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5208.965, "end": 5262.365, "text": "A heavy industrial client moves in, they're super noisy, they've got chemical smells and things like that. I'm not implying you know pollution, but now I'm fast forwarding that individual comes in an industrial and we design it and and zone it appropriately. And now you've got a school. So just talk through that. What guarantees, if any, can we have that uh a client or excuse me, a neighbor that doesn't make a lot of sense next to a school, which we want as Calgary, we want that industrial to grow. It now contradicts, it becomes noisier, it becomes smellier, there's noxis noxious um fumes and things. Just w th thoughts there. That that the ability to, in five years from now, come in and say we do not want this development because of this reason, again with the school. Just talk through that. Considerations and how do we get assurances that's not going to happen, that we can still build a city.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5263.385, "end": 5293.185, "text": "No, obviously as part of it, we we we can only design to what we know today as part of it. But we can put uh restrictive measures in our base designs to to try and mitigate future risks. However, uh it is very difficult to future proof such as uses as part of it. But we can strategically place areas such as the outdoor play area along the east side, along the south side, where there is no actual neighbors that we are about into the road. So with it is you there would be some separation buffers with that. However, you know", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 5293.185, "end": 5294.845, "text": "Sorry, I interrupted, please continue.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5295.145, "end": 5297.265, "text": "No, uh that's the that's kind of the end of that con.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 5297.265, "end": 5312.145, "text": "My fear is that neighbor General Dynamics is to the east and they move and a tank manufacturer moves in just to be silly, and it is noisy and loud and smelly. And now there's a direct, what do we do then as a city? If we let a school here, does it sterilize development across the whole area?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5312.945, "end": 5341.085, "text": "Well, I I I would imagine it would be the same kind of um conversations to be having with a future tenant as part of it. They would be working with it to ensure that they are compliance in in their parcel. But we would be doing whatever we can in terms of the mitigations and the availability in terms of our um design considerations to place onto our parcel and be able to create a self contained ecosystem for the school that would not be um disruptive to the rest of the neighborhood. So we would work through whatever design considerations we can think of to help.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5341.685, "end": 5351.905, "text": "address the school's needs but also essentially future proof and protect that the rest of that development as well. Again, it would be something that we would have to be on the challenge of our design team to come up with.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 5354.385, "end": 5365.225, "text": "Yeah, I just this needs of the school are very different from industrial. And finally, the CPC comment, I'd love for your con your thoughts. The application is a reminder that we need to find a real plan for finding space for charter schools.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5366.145, "end": 5378.545, "text": "Maybe just speak to that journey, how difficult it was, so that as we think through, how can we help schools get built in the city? Maybe not here, but just across 'cause uh the whole city.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5378.945, "end": 5447.705, "text": "Well uh as part of it, there is a there is a need for schools as part of it. And we there's not an opportunity to always have greenfield sites to be become come up opportunity to allow for developments and schools to be built in a timely manner to meet the needs of today. So that's why as part of it there should be looking at more of an adaptive reuse strategy because there are ample sites and apple candidates for this type of application throughout the city and other jurisdictions and other uh wards that we can look at more as uh outside the box thinking of how we can start to look at some of these um abandoned or unutilized buildings or business parks that can turn into schools because obviously we can we the land is at a premium, greenfield sites are not necessarily as ample available, but that's all what's is available is on the perimeters, right, of the city. When we start looking at schools in the interior of the city, those parcels are not as available. So applications like this I definitely think are something that we should as a city continue to look at and investigate because I do think there's a great opportunity to utilize some of these abandoned assets.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 5448.285, "end": 5457.985, "text": "I'd I'd agree with you, business parks. And and I think lots of charter schools in a business area. Think of the old smart technologies building, beautiful, you repurpose. But in industrial,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5458.625, "end": 5467.085, "text": "your thoughts? Wouldn't it make sense more commercial redesign traffic? It's safer, it's not versus industrial. Just maybe close on that for me. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5467.245, "end": 5533.585, "text": "Because the the nature of the around it's starting to change as part of the you can look at the the uh Deerfoot City Business Park, you could look at it as part of it. This was an office building as part of it. It is truly an office building, it's 150,000 square feet of it, with some um assembly areas of guidance system, which is more of a lab. Next door is another office building. So as part of even though it's zone industrial, the uses of it is starting to change over time to meet those needs of it. So I do think you're as part of a comment, yes, business parks is always uh, but it's availability of that, right? Is there the land to support that with the outdoor spaces? Is there's is there the uses, the loading, um, the the logistics of it? It's not always uh once uh opportunity that always fits, but this does as part of it. It does meet the needs, it does meet the logistics of the program of the building, and it again it is a prime candidate. It is really set up to become a future school based off of how it's already designed and laid out with the commercial kitchen, even with the lockers, the showers, the loading, it is a prime candidate to be a conversion.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 5534.325, "end": 5539.885, "text": "Thank you so much for those thoughtful answers. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Councillor Wennis, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 5541.325, "end": 5545.365, "text": "Thanks. Um, so do you have any concerns about the NEF contours?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5546.385, "end": 5549.885, "text": "Uh we did look at that and we do fall within the permitted uses of them.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 5549.945, "end": 5555.705, "text": "You're you're really on the cusp because even 30 to 35, like you're you're dropping in the gray of", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5555.845, "end": 5565.165, "text": "where that line falls. And does did that not bring a concern of how close you are to what the NEF contours are for establishing a school?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5565.705, "end": 5606.025, "text": "Um no, it didn't bring any concern because when we start looking at the adjacent uh schools along in in this area, there are there are quite a bit that actually fall within some of these contours and that are in probably what would you say worse considerations of it. And those schools that are around in that area are functioning quite well. But we are looking at mitigations of that to ensure that if we are with the with the existing triple glazing as part of it, noise attenuation is um cons um dealt with with the existing assemblies, but we would put other uh mitigations of sound attenuation into our designs. But um no, it wasn't a uh a major concern because looking at it, we do fall within the permitted use of the NAVE, uh the airport facility plan.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 5606.365, "end": 5611.025, "text": "And w will you be creating any outdoor space for students to participate in physical activity?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5611.265, "end": 5613.485, "text": "We would be to support the curriculum, yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 5613.905, "end": 5615.005, "text": "Have to? Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5615.905, "end": 5616.685, "text": "Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 5618.225, "end": 5621.385, "text": "why why choose industrial as a location for a school?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5621.865, "end": 5651.885, "text": "Uh as I kind of mentioned uh previously as part of it, opportunity, right? It's just there was the opportunity to uh get into this building to get this charter school going as quickly as possible as prior to previews. Again, and it was presented to them. Um looking through what's the what was available and how the build the building was set up, it really did become a really interesting candidate to go forward with an adaptive reuse that is outside the box to do this. So it was just opportunity.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 5652.045, "end": 5655.885, "text": "But but I think like that that's why CBC talked about", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5656.205, "end": 5719.025, "text": "how are we actually building schools? How are we building public schools? How are we building charter schools? What what is the best way to educate children in the province of Alberta? And if we're doing ad hoc location uh generation for education, we're not doing what's best for children. We're not building an environment truly that provides the greatest learning environment. Having a recess in an industrial park. Where good luck growing some grass in when I look at the park park, it's a pavement. I'm very challenged in supporting this because we know we have school sites, we have the provincial government changing the rules right now. Um, but at the heart of it, it's the students that matter most, and this lacks sidewalks and safe egress to and from if they have to take public transit to get here. Um I feel like your application is lacking a lot of. The safety concerns that arise from a school site because of what you perceive as the easiest opportunity. And that's concerning.", "segments_merged": 20 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5719.425, "end": 5749.465, "text": "Uh we wouldn't say it would be the easiest opportunity um as part of it, but to your the the comments about uh egress and accessibility and outdoor players, those would be addressed as part of the development permit uh stages. We as part of it, we needed to get to the land use approval as part of the use to be able to proceed further into the next stages of that for two formal submissions of that. But those students' safety and quality of education and their experience is number one in terms of Rocky Mountain Charter School Division and the design team as we move this application forward.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 5750.145, "end": 5753.625, "text": "Yeah, however, like administration, I think, has made the correct", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5753.785, "end": 5782.785, "text": "assessment on the application given how many school sites they have to work on, how many safety measures they have to implement after a school site is is is approved. I think there's a lot of blind spots in this application, and and I will leave it out there because I've I've heard your answers, but I'm not really fully hearing your addressing the concerns that. This site and the concerns that I can quickly that I can look up and see that that come about from having a school site here. So thank you.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 5784.425, "end": 5786.185, "text": "Thank you. Over to Councillor Yule, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 5786.685, "end": 5803.185, "text": "Um so K to twelve, you'll have teenagers, like will everybody be be just locked down on site or will teenagers be able to, you know, go to lunch at the Deerfoot met or Deerfoot City area? Like can they wander outside of the facility?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5804.145, "end": 5862.745, "text": "As part of it, we would assume that they would, and that's why there was part of administration to, as part of the application, to introduce a multi-use pathway that connects the site down to Deerfoot City to allow for safe travel as part of it. However, we would work with Rocky Mountain Chartered School Division as part of to ensure the curriculum base is working with the City of Calgary of Mobility Engineering to ensure that any of those concerns are being met as part of our actual development permit stage. But we would again was mentioned safety is a major concern of ours as well. And so any risk that would be done to the student, the quality of their experiences, we would be working with administration to ensure that we do not put any students at risk as part of it. But yes, they would have the ability to connect to the surrounding neighborhood if uh permitted. But again, it's like other other schools, they they would have to be going through control points as well, uh security as part of it. So they wouldn't be able to freely leave um as part of the curriculum.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 5863.025, "end": 5887.205, "text": "But I mean uh schools in my neighborhood don't have like Finning Canada right next to it. Like there's no concern like those are some pretty crazy machinery next right next door, as well as the the police um training facility uh with the horses as well. There's horses um just two blocks away, and no concerns about kids getting into trouble with horses.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 5888.645, "end": 5909.845, "text": "I again I I would I would imagine as part of it that we would we would do our best measures to keep the distinction weights on to site as part of supporting Worcester School as part of it. So we can't control ultimately everyone that as be able to that do not enter the parcel, but once they're on parcel, the intent is for them to be in the school and working through the curriculum-based education. So yes,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 5910.305, "end": 5910.505, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5910.725, "end": 5911.265, "text": "All right, thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 5912.025, "end": 5914.405, "text": "I think uh Councillor Yule, you have uh recognition as well?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 5916.125, "end": 5916.305, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 5916.305, "end": 5919.305, "text": "Which is very apropos. Oh my gosh, it's so long about kids.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 5919.705, "end": 5932.665, "text": "Um we've got uh the Buffalo Rubbing Stone School, uh grade four Miss Shauna Styles class. I talked to them yesterday. Uh why don't you guys stand up? We'll give a a little bit of recognition for you guys. Welcome to City Hall.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5938.925, "end": 6001.765, "text": "So one of the things we did talk about is pedestrian safety, which is apropos, I guess, pedestrian safety around your schools is very important. And we talked about how students need to make sure they make eye contact when they are crossing. We talked about how they can reach out to myself, the mayor, 311, if they find a pedestrian crossing that is uh is unsafe and they need uh more infrastructure around it. Uh we also talked about wearing bright clothing, and I gave each one of them uh a safety uh uh reflective band, a ward three reflective band, um, so that uh you know we might be staying in uh daylight savings time uh very long. So it might be dark uh in winters, and so making sure you're reflective uh when you are crossing the street. The other thing they asked was if uh the mayor and I were friends, uh, and I said yes, and I think to honor that, I will give him a friendship bracelet uh in this meeting.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6002.065, "end": 6002.525, "text": "So", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6009.085, "end": 6016.385, "text": "They're welcome. Welcome.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 6018.725, "end": 6020.325, "text": "Over to Councillor McLean, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6020.865, "end": 6026.945, "text": "This is comfy. It fits good. I I feel like I'm the green power ranger now when I put that on.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 6026.845, "end": 6032.305, "text": "Okay, guys. I dn I didn't see us all getting one. If you're gonna bring candy or something for one you're supposed to bring for all, isn't that the rule in school?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 6032.305, "end": 6033.345, "text": "I'll get you one. Don't worry.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 6035.025, "end": 6037.725, "text": "Uh just a quick question for the applicant. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6039.045, "end": 6056.205, "text": "everybody's got a few little issues about the location and the charter schools in general. I I'm generally all for that. There's more schools, more school choice, more parental choice, good for that. Um, is this going underneath the uh the Rocky Mountain Charter School? That's the banner?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 6056.525, "end": 6058.245, "text": "it's the Rocky Mountain Charter School Foundation.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 6058.245, "end": 6061.385, "text": "Yeah, yeah. So uh how many other schools do you operate?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6062.025, "end": 6063.845, "text": "Yeah, I don't know if it's city province or", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 6064.505, "end": 6083.045, "text": "It's a provincial wide and there's uh up to 10 planned as part of it. So right now this is the first one of this nature, but they have had experience with other charter schools in the past. This is a newly formed foundation. Um and uh NASA they can speak more of it as part of it as part of the who is here as part of the um the CEO of it. So uh he can speak more to it as part of it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 6083.305, "end": 6090.005, "text": "Yeah, generally I want to stay kinda stay on topic on land use and things like that, but it's uh again just to make sure it's the right fit 'cause uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6090.525, "end": 6105.905, "text": "um it is a I went to a charter schools tour over with the Academy over at Curry Barracks and you know, they everybody's got a different curriculum. I mean, maybe can you t uh tell me what does each charter school that Rocky Mount, does it have a different curriculum for each one or is it um I I", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 6108.425, "end": 6112.305, "text": "In terms of the the type of programming, but I'll allow it maybe if it's uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6113.125, "end": 6115.845, "text": "specific to how their experience may be with other school sites.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 6115.845, "end": 6119.805, "text": "don't know how it all fits into like an industrial park, I guess. It's just uh it maybe speak to that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Colin Gallant", "start": 6120.205, "end": 6147.945, "text": "Well, like I said, the this location is kind of built on three core pillars, which are health and wellness, sustainable agriculture, and global technology. They're calling it it's like STEM based learning, which is looking at real world skills and preparing students for the future. It's focusing on delivering education on food health, the best utilization of food, increasing cognitive and physical performance of that. So that's the focus of this school as part of it. So those are the kind of the pillars of this location. Other education.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 6148.225, "end": 6151.825, "text": "Okay. Like I said, I want to stay on land you so I'll leave it at that. Thank you so much.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6151.945, "end": 6208.305, "text": "And colleagues, I allowed the question. I I got an edge from one of you, but it's I think it's relevant to us in terms of the type of programming. I think as we're looking at Whether a school is appropriate. It's not just the fact that it's a school. You know, if you're theoretically having a school for mechanics, it might make sense to have it closer to an industrial area. So that's why I've allowed the questioning from Councillor McClain. It's very much about the the the type of user, but I think it's relevant to our decision making here. Uh anyone else uh for questions? Uh maybe I'll just uh jump in, jump in, not to belabor the point. Uh we see that it's uh in the midst of a variety of medium general industrial uses, uh things like auto services, fleet services, building supplies, gas bars, and whatnot. Uh has there been any engagement with any of the businesses nearby in terms of how they view this potential new neighbor, changes that they may be willing to make proactively to accommodate you?", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6209.265, "end": 6222.645, "text": "In terms of formal engagement, that process hasn't um been completely done yet, but we didn't reach out to the t uh the the neighboring tenant which was with uh general dynamics about that, but other than that there hasn't been any more formal engagement.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6222.925, "end": 6224.125, "text": "W what did they have to say?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6224.465, "end": 6225.545, "text": "Uh they had no comment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6230.605, "end": 6246.625, "text": "All right, um that's it for me. Uh any other questions for the proponent? All right, seeing none, uh is there anyone else who would like to speak uh as part of the public hearing? All right, with that, uh oh sorry, please approach. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 6251.065, "end": 6253.065, "text": "Good morning, Mayor and uh Council.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Abdulnasser Kadri", "start": 6253.505, "end": 6255.125, "text": "My name is Nasser Kadri.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 6255.885, "end": 6598.365, "text": "I'm the uh board chair of Rocky Mountain Charter Foundation. Um we come with uh 30 years of experience in charter schools. So we previously uh spearheaded the Al Medina Charter School, the ASL school, and um about four years ago we we saw that there was there's a real need for this type of a program. Where we would be able to get across to children from ECS to grade 12 the understanding of nutrition, whole foods, processed foods, what it does to the bodies and to the minds, and as well as the performance and long term health effects. So Carol came up with this idea, who was my wife, and we started working on it. Last June, Minister Nicolaitis approved our charter, and we went out to look for a school. None were found. In the process three years ago, we did we we had the application in with the hopes that it would be approved, but it was not. But in the process, we had looked at the smart building since we live right next to it, and the kids grew up, all our kids grew up next to that building. I can tell you, even though this building that we are applying for is in an industrial area, I would say it's much better as a building for a school, much, much better than the Smart Building. I'm very happy that the province did move forward with getting the smart building because. Not only charter schools are having a tough time finding school locations, but public schools as well. So while we are hopeful that the government is moving to make reserve land available for charter schools as well, at the time there's at this time there is a crunch and there's an opportunity with this building. And I do agree that there are some concerns, but in my experience, our experience, we are very comfortable with having this building converted to a school. And also there will be some industrial activities going on in there, teaching kids, getting high school ready for the job market. So we're planning to have, we might have a mechanics shop, and the building is set up for that. It's an amazing building. And I would hate to see it stay empty while we can actually use it. So it's my hope that the all of you, 14 1, would support our students, would support our kids for this year to be able to actually get into a school. We are under a crunch time, but we have an amazing team that's actually going to make sure we have enough. Space in that building to have at least 650 students. And I can tell you, I think that Rocky Mountain Charter School will probably go to 10,000 students within 10 years. And as we work together with the province, we will figure out ways on how to build schools faster than ever before. We have plans. On new plans on how to get the schools actually ready in the new communities, the newest communities. They don't have to wait for 10 years. But for now, we need a push from council to be able to start our first school for a Rocky Mountain Charter School. I know Al Nadina has three sites. You just recently approved the um building that off Deerfoot, which is not too far. From the building that we're proposing to move into. And we thank you for that. And but the the problem with that building is that it's gonna take uh infrastructure three years to get that school ready. So there's another problem there. So we have to work through the problems to to to address our immediate needs for schools. And for the next two, three years, I think that we probably need to go into business parks. Right now we have 600 students on the waiting list. We have not opened or advertised El Medina or Rocky Mountain Charter School, sorry. We haven't advertised yet. Once we advertise, I think we're probably gonna have quite a few students, parents that want to come to our school. Thank you very much. I'll take any questions.", "segments_merged": 100 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 6599.485, "end": 6603.325, "text": "Thank you so much. Uh we will go to Councillor Kelly, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 6603.325, "end": 6603.345, "text": "Thank", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 6604.345, "end": 6665.985, "text": "you, Mr. Cadger. Appreciate you being here. As I said earlier, I I I I previously sat on the board of a charter school, so everything you're saying lands with me. These are exactly the conversations that I was having in my volunteer experience before this being the kinds of conversations that we have that we have now. Um I was part of the team that uh that helped uh uh well uh uh on the um The old SMART building in the University Research Park, and obviously there's uh STEM Innovation Academy, is also elsewhere in STEM uh in the University Research Park as well. This, though, is a full industrial park. And so I'm wondering if I can ask you uh I had a chance to ask questions of your expert earlier, so I want to ask you a question building off of what the mayor had said earlier, specifically related to your charter. Your charter is about health and wellness. Any concerns about an in a uh in a heavy industrial park as it relates to achieving your charter?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Abdulnasser Kadri", "start": 6668.025, "end": 6671.025, "text": "Looking at the surrounding businesses,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 6671.865, "end": 6762.805, "text": "I would say no. There's no issue whatsoever. As for the future, we cannot speak, but hopefully council would be careful as to put any kind of a business that will have chemicals, fumes, smells next to one of the biggest malls in Calgary. So we would look for council to also protect us in that in that area. And also what I what I feel is that. Anytime there's a problem with that site where we would have to move out, I think by then we will have enough schools in the in in in Calgary. We will build enough schools. And again, I'm talking about us going to the private community to help us build schools. Not that the Ministry of Instructure or Education is not. Putting enough interest or moving fast enough, but there's only so much capacity on their end to build schools. Only so much money. So and we've dealt with this for the last 30 years with our charter school. We need a solution. And we're here to offer a solution.", "segments_merged": 27 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 6764.465, "end": 6767.645, "text": "Heard. Thank you very much, Mr. Cowdri.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 6768.705, "end": 6786.905, "text": "I admit I'm still struggling with this is the right location, but I I congratulate you on uh finding a willing partner uh uh uh in the real estate space to be able to put something forward because I recognize how challenging what it is that you've done is, and uh thank you for bringing this to us. I appreciate it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 6787.905, "end": 6789.445, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Penasopoulos, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 6789.525, "end": 6796.625, "text": "Thank you for coming, Mr. Codry, and speaking uh as as board chair. And I just wanted to ask again, you mention it. So, as board chair,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 6797.105, "end": 6809.045, "text": "having kindergarten children in an industrial park, you have no concerns. You could look all 750 parents and say, this is good. You you mentioned that previously. I just wanted to confirm that.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Abdulnasser Kadri", "start": 6809.165, "end": 6810.765, "text": "I have zero concerns.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 6811.725, "end": 6846.405, "text": "ECS to grade six are gonna be basically staying on site. So we're going to have a fence all the way around. Loading, offloading is going to be on site. There won't be any offloading or loading on the street. So I feel very comfortable. And being next to the police is actually, I think it's a bonus. I I don't see them as being an obstacle in any way for for our school, nor or or vice versa.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 6847.405, "end": 6848.165, "text": "You know, I I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 6848.505, "end": 6902.025, "text": "I I request to speak because your comment brought my biggest fear forward. Council to protect us against future development. If that chemical plant needs to move next door. That's the right place, an industrial, next to an airport. And what you just ask is I hope that council will protect us. So you think it's the expectation is why should we change our industrial park, which is set aside for exactly that, a chemical plant to give 500 a thousand Calgarians jobs, so that we can meet the short term needs. You even said, well, temporary, maybe we can move away in a few years. Walk us through as a Calgarian, like it that Can council protect us? What if we don't? What if we do and we allow industrial, a chemical plant next door, a heavy machinery manufacturing plant across the street where the neighbor works today, general dynamics, but it becomes a finning manufacturing plant? Help me recognize.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Abdulnasser Kadri", "start": 6902.025, "end": 6905.885, "text": "I certainly hope that you would can that council would consult with us as a school", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 6906.245, "end": 6945.165, "text": "first, uh, or uh or the rest of the area, or talk to the um um St. John's, which is a school. Talk to the daycare center down the street, talk to the owners of of the Deer Foot Mall. So this is not just um This is not just a standalone school. There is a whole surrounding area which at the moment I believe that it supports our school. It does not conflict with having a school there. I've been in the school business for 30 years as a volunteer.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 6945.505, "end": 6954.305, "text": "I think that maybe in closing, um, you said we'd hope we'd engage. Your your advisor said that you chose not to, you didn't engage with any of your neighbors.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 6954.885, "end": 6965.325, "text": "Why didn't you engage when the expectation is that if we as a city council in one year or ten years make an amendment, your expectation is that we engage, yet your association chose not to. Why?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Abdulnasser Kadri", "start": 6966.545, "end": 6968.105, "text": "There was a sign put up there", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 6968.965, "end": 7015.025, "text": "for I think two months or thereabouts. We did not hear from any of the neighbors any concerns about having a school there. So for us to reach out to the neighboring businesses to see if they have any concerns. I don't know that we need to do that. Maybe if somebody would have brought it up before, if somebody would have brought, if if any of the neighbors would have come forward and said, oh, we have a problem with this, then we can address it. But as far as us going out to to the surrounding businesses, okay, maybe it maybe we should have. But again, the sign was there for a long time.", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 7017.205, "end": 7023.745, "text": "Appreciate the work you've done, the 10,000 students you're supporting and uh for coming to council and and presenting your thoughts. Thank you so much.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Abdulnasser Kadri", "start": 7023.925, "end": 7024.285, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 7025.045, "end": 7026.045, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Winez.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 7026.725, "end": 7034.085, "text": "Thanks. I I kind of want to reiterate a lot of what Councillor Pensalopoulos said. It's quite concerning that you are", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7035.805, "end": 7071.465, "text": "expecting a different response for future development, like if we were to do in it's a heavy you are choosing to move into a heavy industrial zoned area. Where you're saying please don't bring in heavy industrial practices after you approve our us. That's very problematic because the city plans our land use. We target areas for heavy industrial because it is safer for us to locate it there. You're right next to an airport. And then if we approve this, now you say don't approve any chemical businesses in this area because now you said yes to us. Am I correct in that?", "segments_merged": 12 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Abdulnasser Kadri", "start": 7071.465, "end": 7076.545, "text": "No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if it does happen, we will have to think about moving.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 7077.625, "end": 7077.885, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Abdulnasser Kadri", "start": 7077.885, "end": 7080.745, "text": "So so it would be maybe also", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 7081.145, "end": 7127.805, "text": "other businesses are going to be moving out as well. If that's if there's if the chemical um problems problem becomes big enough, um maybe that kind of use should not be so close to the residential areas as well. This is there there is hunt uh Huntington Hills right across right across the valley. So If I've been living in Calgary for 50 years. I grew up in this town. I know Calgary like the back of my hand, or at least the old Calgary. I don't know the new Calgary as much. But if I did not feel, if we did not feel that this was an amazing spot for us to have a school, there's no way I would put our kids in there.", "segments_merged": 12 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 7128.145, "end": 7131.445, "text": "Yeah. And then I have a little concern about how you say we well, we put up a sign", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7131.845, "end": 7171.765, "text": "when it comes to advertising when council is constantly asking developers to go door knock and make sure they're providing literature to the houses in and around them and the developments in and around them. And and it seems that like council has directed communication engagement strategies to learn how to engage with Calgaryans better. And yet you feel that it's sufficient to just post a sign and stop your engagement at that. It's that challenge of the conversation for at least the last four years for applicants from the city and from council has been the sign isn't good enough. You must make sure you're engaging with the people so that they are actually aware of what is being built around them.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Abdulnasser Kadri", "start": 7171.845, "end": 7174.085, "text": "Fair point. Fair point.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 7175.145, "end": 7221.765, "text": "We came into this building actually. Four months ago. The application was there for a different school ten months ago. Then we approached the owner having seen the sign. And there was already work that was being done with the neighborhood. I don't know how much again, like I said, we were not asked to go to neighbors to ask them if they have any concerns with us opening a school there. Could we have done that? Maybe for future. We can do that, but for now we haven't heard any concerns from any of the neighbors.", "segments_merged": 15 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 7222.565, "end": 7225.545, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7225.965, "end": 7241.425, "text": "The chemical plants, the the high industrial product is supposed to be in this area, and council really does need to work on. That we've directed an industrial strategy to go forward and start attracting businesses of the heavy industrial into our borders.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 7241.805, "end": 7248.725, "text": "And this site definitely complicates it and is count counter to council direction. So thank you for your presentation.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 7251.405, "end": 7252.645, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Yule, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 7253.145, "end": 7264.765, "text": "Um you mentioned you were uh concerned about smells of industrial. Um has anybody told you about the glycol ponds just on the hill above you, above that location?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Abdulnasser Kadri", "start": 7265.665, "end": 7267.545, "text": "I know about it, no one has told me now.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 7267.805, "end": 7287.425, "text": "Yeah, so I I mean just like uh in in March, April, when things are melting, it smells horrid. And so that's why we have industrial there is because you know that's right next to the glycol pond. So if you're concerned about smells, spring is not great for that area. So", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7287.865, "end": 7289.045, "text": "just a heads up.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 7292.465, "end": 7302.365, "text": "Thank you. I will throw myself into the queue and I wanted to continue the line of questioning from Councillor Penisopoulos. What does protecting the school from development look like on an ongoing", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7302.825, "end": 7319.705, "text": "basis, especially if these are established business and industrial uses that long predate a potential school? Are you looking for an overall conversion of this entire neighborhood into a more traditional residential area? Uh we don't have or sorry, please go ahead.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 7320.205, "end": 7360.785, "text": "Yeah, no, absolutely we not. So we just we're just looking for this 11 fairly large space, 11 acres, to to have uh school designation added to it so we can actually move forward. Um as for the rest of the uh area we're not overly concerned uh about changing any any other uh lots or businesses to different to different zonings we're only concerned with the eleven acres", "segments_merged": 13 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 7362.725, "end": 7366.025, "text": "Why have you chosen not to speak with other", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7366.905, "end": 7380.705, "text": "um business owners in the area about say even the prospect of potentially like if it's very busy traffic in and out with large machinery, what the impacts of a new school zone may be? Uh why why have you chosen not to consult the broader neighborhood?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 7381.785, "end": 7429.705, "text": "quite honestly we haven't seen all that much traffic of of heavy machinery in that area uh in front of our uh the proposed school um so Again, like I said, in hindsight, maybe we should have talked to somebody, but we assumed that uh having the sign there uh that somebody would would phone the city and say, well, we have concerns about this this uh this uh zoning going in as a school. I don't know if anybody phoned the city and complained or not, but to my knowledge, I haven't heard any. But we're prepared to meet with all the neighbors.", "segments_merged": 12 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7431.625, "end": 7463.305, "text": "Thank you. Uh in the in our package it says that a transportation impact assessment was required in support of the application and and should the use be approved? A range of transportation infrastructure upgrades will be necessary. It includes many things like a path pathway connections, adequate sidewalks, access to improved connections, safety, marked crosswalks, and whatnot. Is it your position that you're in are you prepared to contribute to those, or is that the expectation that the city will provide all of these things outside of the site?", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Abdulnasser Kadri", "start": 7464.325, "end": 7465.665, "text": "We'll talk to infrastructure.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 7466.405, "end": 7526.805, "text": "We'll talk to capital planning. Yeah, whatever is needed. I mean, uh, we are prepared. We we are a nonprofit organization. We are um a charitable organization, and we have lots of people, lots of companies, oil companies, CEOs that are in support of this project, and they um They sent letters to the Minister of Education, many of them, many of the CEOs in this town, in support of Rocky Mountain Charter School. So, and I've heard many of them say we are ready to donate dollars whenever you need it. So, and I've spoken with many of them, and they are ready. So, but I but we can't move forward unless we have an actual building.", "segments_merged": 16 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 7528.885, "end": 7530.705, "text": "Thank you so much for being here with us.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Abdulnasser Kadri", "start": 7530.945, "end": 7531.145, "text": "Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7531.525, "end": 7550.445, "text": "Is there anyone who else who wishes to speak as part of the public hearing? Okay. Going once, going twice. All right. We will close the public hearing. Any questions for administration? Maybe I'll start you off, uh, Councillor Dallywell, if you wanted to uh kick things off.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 7551.485, "end": 7568.405, "text": "Yeah, uh no, thank you, Mayor. Um so the recommendation in front of us, we need to understand, and maybe clerks can help. Uh so the voting when we are voting, the recommendation is do not approve this. So voting no will mean that we approve it. Voting yes will mean", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 7569.665, "end": 7569.965, "text": "not.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 7569.965, "end": 7577.685, "text": "Well, the uh the the what's on the screen is a refusal and abandon. So if uh if at the appropriate time you're making that motion, Councillor Dallywell,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7578.045, "end": 7582.525, "text": "uh we would go to a vote. Uh and then a yes would be to refuse it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 7582.825, "end": 7593.265, "text": "And uh a no would be to not abandon it. So it wouldn't be approved with the no, but uh I'd be looking for a different motion to uh essentially approve day an alternate recommendation", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7593.425, "end": 7595.925, "text": "as well as to proceed with uh uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 7596.025, "end": 7596.445, "text": "So", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 7596.545, "end": 7599.545, "text": "so a a yes is definitely a no, but a no is not yet.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 7599.545, "end": 7609.085, "text": "Okay, that's why out of confusion, I think we have an alternate written, and I'll let uh questions of admin done, and then I'll be happy to move an alternate if that's okay with you, Chair.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 7609.325, "end": 7610.345, "text": "Okay, I'll I'll come back to you then.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 7610.345, "end": 7611.005, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 7611.325, "end": 7612.845, "text": "All right, for administration, Councillor Chabot.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 7615.605, "end": 7620.705, "text": "Yeah, regardless offsite uh improvements. Um, one of them was in relation to an intersection.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7621.165, "end": 7641.725, "text": "Uh the other one talked about uh a pathway um as far as improvements from a pedestrian perspective. How is that going to be paid for? I get the the sidewalks adjacent to the property would be paid for as part of the development permit process as a prior to release condition, but the off site issues related to uh an intersection, how how would that be paid for?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7644.345, "end": 7680.105, "text": "Through the chair, that would be at the applicant's cost. And I believe that there's significant amounts of multi-use pathways, sidewalks, multiple cross-sections or crossings that would be needed to create a safe pedestrian environment in the area, as well as geometric improvements to 64th Avenue and 9th Street, which is also already nearing capacities, so it would be significant costs that would be at the applicant's cost to make this safer for their students getting in and out, whether that's buses or pedestrians going down to Deerfoot City.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7680.925, "end": 7684.825, "text": "And that would be uh at the development permit stage as a prior to release condition?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7685.305, "end": 7688.685, "text": "Uh that would be correct, yes, if this was to move forward.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7688.805, "end": 7713.165, "text": "Okay, thanks. Um insofar as um uh schools, charter schools, uh do we know if that's they're a uh uh uh uh taxable entity? Are they taxable? I don't know if charter schools are for profit or not.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 7713.365, "end": 7721.425, "text": "Mayor Farkas, uh oh, I was just going to say we'll um call Director Goldstein up to the microphone. She'll have a bit more information about this.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 7724.445, "end": 7763.545, "text": "Good morning, Council. Charter schools as they operate today would be because they're operating under boards, public boards, or separate school boards, they would be the same as Calry Board of Education. So we we have three categories of schools right now independent or private schools. Charter schools are in that middle portion where they are considered in the public or separate school boards, so they're a board, and then our existing three boards that we currently have separate school, Franco Sud, and the Calgary Board of Education.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7764.205, "end": 7766.965, "text": "So all fund fall under the same tax regime.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 7767.425, "end": 7775.845, "text": "The charter school today, we as a at a land use perspective, we consider it the same as the three other boards.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7776.105, "end": 7777.305, "text": "Thanks, that's all the questions I had.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 7778.445, "end": 7779.405, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 7781.525, "end": 7800.725, "text": "I was gonna ask a similar question, so maybe I'll just ask it a little a little bit more directly. And yeah, for for everyone's context, charter schools are public schools. That is, they are not private schools under Alberta legislation. Uh I'm just wondering in terms of the land use for this particular site, do we have insight in terms of what that might actually change in terms of our tax base revenue?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 7803.345, "end": 7821.825, "text": "We would have to go and do a bit of investigation on that piece around tax base. Today it is a non residential tax base. It would turn into that institutional category, taxation being similar to what we do today with school boards.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 7822.205, "end": 7825.765, "text": "And can you remind us in terms of what it is we do currently with the three school boards?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 7826.065, "end": 7835.745, "text": "Maybe I would ask our city solicitor if we have that specific information. My understanding is they are not. Um, they don't provide the same taxation.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 7839.145, "end": 7843.985, "text": "Essentially, my question is is it zero? Is it twenty? I apologize, I'm", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 7844.285, "end": 7848.005, "text": "I don't know yet. The mayor said I can't say I'm new anymore, but I don't know the answer to this question.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "A/City Solicitor and General Counsel L. Davies", "start": 7848.005, "end": 7850.645, "text": "I don't know how charter schools are taxed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 7850.885, "end": 7853.085, "text": "What about the public but the public boards?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "A/City Solicitor and General Counsel L. Davies", "start": 7854.205, "end": 7855.465, "text": "So I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7856.045, "end": 7858.945, "text": "also don't know how the school boards are taxed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7861.725, "end": 7862.545, "text": "They they wouldn't be", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 7863.885, "end": 7871.945, "text": "My understanding is there is no taxation on school boards, the public school public school boards, meaning all three boards that we currently have.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 7872.545, "end": 7885.425, "text": "I just wanted to get like my understanding is taking a look at this is that we essentially will be going from the tax base on this rather large industrial site to no taxation being collected. Is that administration's understanding as well?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 7885.425, "end": 7888.525, "text": "I have confirmed that school boards do not pay taxes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 7889.125, "end": 7889.725, "text": "Uh thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 7889.725, "end": 7890.885, "text": "That would be the understanding.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 7890.885, "end": 7917.825, "text": "I'm gonna jump in and uh I'm gonna say uh we uh I allowed as chair a bit of contemplation over tax base on a just the on our blanket rezoning question. Uh in aggregate, I think looking to the view of what the I see Councillor Chabot. I allowed that, but I think it's not relevant planning considerations for the specific site. Uh in aggregate, I'll I'll allow that, but what taxes the specific site generates or doesn't, uh I'm gonna call uh out of bounds.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 7917.925, "end": 7935.545, "text": "Okay. Um I wanted to pick up on uh, and this may actually be a question to Director Goldstein again, but I'll let you decide. Uh I wanted to pick up on the comment and attachment five from Commissioner Howerluck that says this application is a reminder that we need a real plan for finding space for charter schools.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 7936.265, "end": 7949.685, "text": "Uh A, do we have a real plan? B, is administration working on a real plan, especially in light of the changes that are coming in Bill 28 as it relates to charter school and municipal reserve land.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 7950.525, "end": 8088.225, "text": "I'm happy to take that. It is a more general question than Ms. Gansar inside the files. So all schools are planned in, so there's two types of considerations. In newly developing areas, we do that work in identifying school sites, and that would be all school sites during the area structure plan phase. And so that's working with the school boards, working with You know, if the developer says you know there's going to be some independent schools in this area working to make sure that we have that plan. And that is a correlation of population to schools in that area. In established areas, we have a bit more constraints. The constraint being we are land finite around the existing schools, and the allowable uses, you are correct, are being expanded to enable more schools on the existing school sites in our established areas. I would acknowledge that we are seeing more and more of what we would say pressures into industrial and commercial areas to find space for independent and private schools and also for charter schools. Earlier on today, it was mentioned that Curry, as an example, had a charter school, Calgary Classical Academy, that opened up in one of their old barracks buildings. That was not a use contemplated initially when they had put together the master plan for Curry, but saw that there was a need for an additional school in that location. They actually have seven schools in Curry now, most of which are those charter independent schools. The plan that we are putting together right now, which will include all the existing boards, there's actually more than just the three school boards that we have been historically working with. We are bringing forward our annual update on the joint use coordinating committee to council in May, and you will see that there are a lot of pressures around schools, and the plan associated with charter, et cetera, will come as we evolve the definitions of what qualifies as schools and where those schools will be located.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8089.625, "end": 8111.285, "text": "Thank you. I appreciate the timeline there as well in terms of when we'll have the next conversation related to this because uh and I'm glad that administration is working on it because I think we're gonna see even more of these kinds of applications moving forward given some of the changes that are that are coming and uh the challenge of finding spaces for these types of schools as we're as evidence in front of us here today. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 8111.285, "end": 8190.145, "text": "Something to note on schools specifically is this what we're having a conversation about today is exactly land use planning 101. It says where in our city did things belong, and where are the complementary uses? And where should they go and stay together? And what we've seen in some areas is there has been a change. So Curry was an army base, like the then it converted into being uh residential, and then the residential area needed more schools and more supports. There are some areas in our city where we haven't seen that because we have the uses as they exist and will continue to exist are not compatible with commercial or with institutional or with schools as an example. And that is why when we're talking about schools today, it's important to have that kind of land use planning 101 at the forefront. The other piece is that schools need very specific things. They need good access, they need transit nearby, they need excellent intersections and sidewalks. And these and that plan that we just talked about are all part of the considerations, both on site and off site. And so that will be coming to council in May as well.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8190.925, "end": 8209.605, "text": "I look forward to May, and uh thank you, worship. This was actually a question that I had when Bill 28 uh was first announced, and I wasn't sure if it was a CAU inquiry or a uh question period question, so I appreciate the opportunity to ask it in this context because I think it's uh very pertinent for the conversation that we're having today uh with this land use application.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 8210.365, "end": 8211.765, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Johnson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 8214.585, "end": 8215.585, "text": "Oh, sorry, Miss", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8216.705, "end": 8225.905, "text": "Um Have we allowed daycares to be built in industrial commercial um locations?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 8226.485, "end": 8247.785, "text": "Yeah, and I will actually defer this, Councillor Johnson, over to to uh Ms. Ganzar. She has a she has a really good context map that shows the daycare and the existing adult instructional facilities, the RCMP, the St. John's Ambulance, the police shooting facility, the SWAT facility, everything that's nearby.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 8248.545, "end": 8250.525, "text": "So sorry, it's just a simple yes or no.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 8250.945, "end": 8252.125, "text": "Ms. Ganzar will show you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 8252.325, "end": 8252.785, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 8254.625, "end": 8263.425, "text": "Um clerks, could you please pull up slide 16? Um short answer, daycares in business industrial areas, yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 8263.785, "end": 8267.785, "text": "Have we allowed parks to be built in industrial and commercial spaces?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 8267.925, "end": 8268.405, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 8269.005, "end": 8272.945, "text": "Uh Great Plains facility, is that in a commercial industrial place?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 8273.785, "end": 8276.525, "text": "I don't know Great Plains off the top of my head. I'd", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 8276.525, "end": 8277.765, "text": "It's a rec center, sorry.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 8277.825, "end": 8281.325, "text": "I'm not sure of the zoning though. I'd have to look at the zoning map to confirm.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 8281.905, "end": 8283.105, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 8293.745, "end": 8295.645, "text": "Again, I'm sorry I don't have that information.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 8295.645, "end": 8300.805, "text": "Shoot shooting edge, when it was around, was built right next to a college. Um or", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8301.805, "end": 8303.445, "text": "which one? West. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 8303.445, "end": 8308.365, "text": "The West Island College off of Blackfoot Trail. We're a private school, right? So", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 8308.365, "end": 8309.265, "text": "Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8309.845, "end": 8310.445, "text": "Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 8311.705, "end": 8314.565, "text": "so this isn't unheard of for us to put a", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8315.465, "end": 8366.445, "text": "potential school near. Any of these locations, uh, whether it's a glycol or pond. I mean, there's an elementary school within, you know, spitting distance, just down, just west of it. Like a lot of these concerns I just feel are very hypocritical to what already exists. Um and so your recommendation in attachment one was because of your concern. But again, those same concerns could be for any of the other locations, daycares, parks, rec centers in similar areas. So um I'm not sure why we pick and choose where and why", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 8367.165, "end": 8373.585, "text": "and how these get built if it's school related. So anyway, I'll I'll just leave it there. Thank you though.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 8379.305, "end": 8381.505, "text": "Thank you. We'll move to Councillor Atkinson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 8383.225, "end": 8392.645, "text": "Um on this map here you've got heavy construction, machinery, storage, uh sort of on different parts of the site and and then sort of these", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8393.525, "end": 8425.625, "text": "You know, uh other other industrial, but just just sort of thinking about the future of the site. Industrial can house all kinds of different activities. I guess like what kinds of activities might be potentially like that we're trying give spaces to to pretty impactful things. I guess like what what would we be concerned about potentially coming in into uh an industrial zone down the road that might impact uh", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 8426.105, "end": 8429.525, "text": "uh be impactful for say a school site coming in here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 8430.345, "end": 8549.265, "text": "Um through the mayor, the IG district currently allows some fairly heavy, medium to heavy industrial uses. I had mentioned a few like power plant and distillery in my presentation. I would say arguably one of the most detrimental uses, which is listed as a permitted use in the Industrial General District, is dry cleaning plant, which is known to have significant off site effects. And it's a permitted use, so that wouldn't be a council decision of whether or not it could go in next door or whatnot. They are allowed outright. uses that have really, really big impacts. And while administration's concerned obviously of the safety of the children and what the environment looks like, the pollution levels, what have you, uh the other Way that we are considering this is how sterilizing putting a school, a K to 12 school, in this location that has been dedicated for these medium to heavier uses would have. As soon as you put a school in this location, a lot of those uses have requirements to be set back from schools. So another use that's allowed in this district is cannabis facility. Cannabis facility, I don't have it off the top of my head, but it can't be located within a certain distance of a school. So all of a sudden, we're taking away the land that the MDP and previous councils have dedicated as such for such industrial uses in this area. So that's another concern. So we kind of looked at this through two lenses. One, is this appropriate for children to be in this area? We know kids are going to leave the school site, but also, what is this doing to prime industrial land in the city? Right.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 8550.085, "end": 8563.105, "text": "Uh and then the other piece, so we've got the heavy construction machinery, but then you've got this like the RCMP EMS training center and then this CPS and the CPS has the shooting range here. I'm just wondering like", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8564.065, "end": 8580.885, "text": "It's that there's that's at a whole level uh a different kind of activity uh and just thinking about safety kids in the area, whatnot. I don't know if we know of any other changes to the site, the use of these spaces. This is also important stuff that we need to house somewhere in the city. So", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 8581.685, "end": 8583.465, "text": "I'm not sure if you've got any thoughts on that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 8583.465, "end": 8634.325, "text": "Um, well, my first thought is first the EMS Training Center is not K to 12 age children. Uh there could be teenagers, I'm sure, but we're not seeing kindergarten students trying to play outdoors and what have you at the EMS Training Center. Um, the Calgary Police Service, the long building, it's kind of covered by some of the font, but that is their shooting range. They also have their SWAT training facilities there. Um, some of the activities do occur outside and there's berms around them, so it's not contained to the inside of the building. And I think This entire discussion just paints a picture of is this appropriate for five to seventeen, eighteen year olds to be out and about and walking around in this location? Again, that was one lens we looked through it. The other lens, obviously, the industrial strategy conversation.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 8634.645, "end": 8643.385, "text": "Okay, thank you. Um yeah, I I guess I'm just I'll just to quickly say a a moment of debate, which is um I I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8644.285, "end": 8680.845, "text": "I think, you know, commercial use and sort of changing commercial use. Uh, if this was a commercial area and we're talking about an old Home Depot site or an old Costco or something like that, and it's in within a commercial area, that's one thing. Industrial is really, I think, the genesis of land use planning, right? We're trying to take uh our industrial uses and make sure that they're not bi residential, they're not by our children. We're creating that separation both for the safety of our residents, but also for the ability for these things that we need to have happen happen within our city. So I will not be supporting this uh application. Uh and I'll leave it with that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 8681.685, "end": 8683.205, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Penzopoulos, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 8683.685, "end": 8689.365, "text": "Uh really quick, uh just talk about the the safety. If this was a school zone, is a requirement that 30 kilometer", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8689.705, "end": 8691.505, "text": "um speed limit is", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 8693.865, "end": 8702.485, "text": "Uh through the chair, that wasn't discussed as a part of the application, but would be inappropriate in this location because it would impede all the industrial activities in the area.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 8702.685, "end": 8704.065, "text": "a hundred percent. But when there's a", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8704.485, "end": 8719.465, "text": "it just is a requirement, like like that's my fear is that you make it 30 as a requirement. Like, is there a superseding? Yeah, it just because it's appropriate. Like you know what I'm getting. If a school's there, does it have to be 30? Is there a provincial requirement? Or is it truly", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 8720.545, "end": 8732.905, "text": "Um that I'm not aware of, but in this case, um the speed limit is 50 within that area and uh would be it would be a great reduction in speed for the other users, industrial users in the area.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 8733.505, "end": 8734.925, "text": "and then just maybe finally that", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8735.145, "end": 8777.025, "text": "um the sterilization, and that that's really important. Just maybe talk through that setbacks, just maybe expand a bit on that, like how that would impact the whole area. Um, what yeah, let's just maybe speak a bit about that, like because now you have a school, it makes sense. You cannot have a heavy duty chemical plant next to a school. Just it's not just the site, what would it do to this whole area? If the glass and window supplier manufacturer wanted to do something change, uh is there sort of a right of first in you get your precedent? Like, how does that all work? You can just speak a bit about that. That was interesting. I appreciate you bringing that because that was sort of missed that we sterilize a whole area next to our airport.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 8777.385, "end": 8840.665, "text": "Right. Through the mayor, I think just using, I'll go back to cannabis facility because I'm not exactly sure of all the exact setback requirements in the IG district, but I know that or for the uses, sorry, listed in the district. But cannabis facility, um, if someone could throw it into our chat, that'd be great. Um, but it they aren't allowed to go within a certain measurement of schools. So if we put in a school in the middle of like a highly effective industrial area, we've we're creating a donut of space around it and using up um developable land. Because none of these more intense uses can go there. And so it's just something to consider that we're creating the use will go on to the site, but then it would actually take up more space within that industrial area because of those setback requirements. And I don't know if oh, Mr. Calkins is at the microphone. He may want to speak. He's with our growth team and can speak to the industrial strategy and how that would take effect.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8841.505, "end": 8922.005, "text": "Yes, good morning, Councillor. My name is Dale Collkins. I'm the coordinator of Growth Strategy. My team is responsible for implementing our industrial strategy portion of the citywide growth strategy. I also don't have the specific number of the distance between cannabis facilities and schools on hand. I'm looking at the pile, I don't see it right away. But I do just really want to reinforce, I think, what you heard from Ms. Goldstein and Ms. Ganslar about the importance of maintaining the integrity of industrial areas. So, yes, there is very much the challenge of making sure that we have a safe environment for schools, but adding this use to this area will have a negative impact on the industrial potential of this area. There will be certain uses that don't go in. There will be parents who are concerned about certain uses that are there already in terms of how it's interacting with their children. There are the concerns about uh the traffic safety, there is the concerns about uh the noxious chemicals. And I think that's something that Ms. Goldstein really mentioned to you about that is the very intent of land use planning and zoning, is to separate noxious uses, i.e., industrial uses, from sensitive uses, schools. And here I have to just be really quite candid with counsel that while I think what the applicant is wanting to do in terms of their school is great. You know, it sounds like they have a really excellent program, and you heard that we're very supportive of advancing schools wherever we can. This is not the right location to do that.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 8923.405, "end": 8924.725, "text": "Thank you so much. Thanks, everybody.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 8926.785, "end": 8930.685, "text": "Can I go to you, uh Councillor Daliwell, to move a motion?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 8931.205, "end": 8934.065, "text": "Yeah, definitely. Um I think um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 8934.645, "end": 9022.865, "text": "We have an alternate. So council, the recommendation that came from administration is pretty clear that they do not support or do not recommend approving this application. CPC, it went through CPC and everything. As an area Councillor, I worked with the applicant. They reached out to our office, I believe, a year ago. We discussed about it. The need for schooling is there in my ward. Uh with the population growth, we don't have enough schools. Uh uh kids are traveling like far and far away from their homes. It's creating uh stress for parents, families, and so on. So I was supportive of this application because I thought, okay, it's gonna go through its rigor and all that. So and today I'm still supportive of this application. So I'm just bringing an alternate uh for this council to consider and test the will of council. The alternate is basically saying let's reverse the decision from administration and let's give three readings to this proposed bylaw so we can approve this school site and let uh the school board move forward. Uh with that, um I'm hoping for your support, but I'm open and uh looking for a second or so we can just get it on the floor. But if council decides that's not the case, I will. I will live with council's decision. With that I'm open.", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9025.265, "end": 9039.265, "text": "Uh seconder, please. Guess I'm guessing Councillor Johnston. Nope. Any seconder for this motion? Sorry, is that yes or no, Councillor Johnston?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 9039.485, "end": 9040.065, "text": "That's yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9040.105, "end": 9040.345, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9040.745, "end": 9042.585, "text": "That is uh on the floor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9042.965, "end": 9047.625, "text": "Note that this is an alternate recommendation in the package. The motion is a refusal.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9048.085, "end": 9051.305, "text": "Uh Councillor Daliwell has placed a motion to approve.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9051.465, "end": 9057.545, "text": "So again, a yes means yes and a no means no for this motion that's on the table. We'll go into debate. Councillor Wynus, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 9057.725, "end": 9061.165, "text": "Thanks. I do not support this administration got it right.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9061.525, "end": 9100.125, "text": "I think we are forgetting that part of our industrial strategy also funds schools. And when you pop the school in the middle where we now have, where are you gonna put your heavy industrial? This is right next to an airport. We are already dealing with odor issues in this area. And there is great capital cost to this investment that will maybe potentially reallocate capital projects for schools that are designated schools already that we are having traffic concerns that we are having near misses about. This is this is I support administration's recommendation and I will not support this.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9102.125, "end": 9103.305, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Chabot, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 9106.405, "end": 9108.645, "text": "Um well there's a couple of things to consider here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9109.325, "end": 9223.325, "text": "This isn't just administration that's recommending refusal. It's it's our expert uh body, the Calgary Planning Commission, who's also recommending that we not move forward with this application. Um whilst I sympathize with the ward Councillor that this heavy industrial area falls within his his area, uh our industrial land strategy isn't the ward-specific issue, it's a citywide issue, and we have to consider what the what's in the best interest of the city as a whole. And we've already started transitioning a lot of our light industrial areas into more um multiple types of uses, including residential, especially in places where it's close to transit. Uh again, it's supported by other things that that helps support residential uses or transitioning from light industrial to maybe having some commercial, retail, um, and residential. Those places are suitable for for educational um institutions. Um Franklin Industrial, Horizon, Meridian Industrial is just a few examples of where this type of use would be supported. And it's in an industrial area, but it's light industrial, and there are other supporting um uh services that help to uh accommodate that kind of thing. We know that there's been recent provincial legislation that's changed that that allows the province to take control of our municipal reserve and then contribute them or donate them to education um uh bodies. And so uh they've included added charter schools as part of that. So I'm not sure why we're even considering this, and especially in a heavy industrial area, that could potentially limit the ability for future development in this area, especially in such close proximity to our airport. This is probably the worst place in the city. to put this type of of use. So for me, this is definitely a home. Encourage council to not support this as well.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9225.265, "end": 9227.545, "text": "I'm just inserting what what Councillor Chabot said.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9228.805, "end": 9229.645, "text": "Councillor Wynus, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 9231.145, "end": 9231.765, "text": "I already went.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9232.705, "end": 9232.925, "text": "Oh.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9233.365, "end": 9234.245, "text": "For debate?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9235.525, "end": 9240.665, "text": "No. Okay. Uh whoops. Oh my gosh, I'm uh I'm not on the ball today. Councillor Kelly, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 9241.505, "end": 9243.445, "text": "Councillor Y Ness and I look a lot alike. I get it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 9244.985, "end": 9245.345, "text": "That's fair.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9245.345, "end": 9245.765, "text": "I'm not gonna go.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 9246.685, "end": 9325.025, "text": "Uh I I well I think there might be a few of us around the table who would say, like, which one of us is the biggest supporter of schools? I think it's probably fair to say I'm the biggest supporter of charter schools around this table, having both my kids having gone to them and uh and having sat on the board of them. Uh that being said, I I I can't get past uh uh Count Commissioner Harluck's comment in in his uh in his, which says the last paragraph, this application is a reminder that we need to find a real plan. For finding space for charter schools. I fully agree. And then I also agree with his second sentence, which is ideally that land would be located by people and not in the middle of industrial areas. We have an awful lot of industrial uses that are going to be coming. I think that with some of the expansions that we're hearing from both the provincial government and the federal government, I think we're going to need this industrial land even more in the near future than we have in the in the recent past. So while I am incredibly sympathetic to needing to find uh locations for charter schools uh in and around the city, uh for all the reasons that both Councillor Schubo and Councillor Weiness listed, I uh I can't support this today.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9328.125, "end": 9333.525, "text": "All right. Anybody else? Seeing none, I'll go to Councillor Dallywell to close, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 9333.945, "end": 9339.765, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. Um, I agree Council Chapolik, this is not just about World Five and that's why it's about", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 9340.125, "end": 9409.865, "text": "More than board five. And if we can look for opportunities where we could put schooling, uh why not? Uh uh yes, we have our industrial growth strategy, but when you even look at Cushman and Weakfield report that was made in 2021, we have lots of industrial sitting there, uh almost 3,000 net hectares that are sitting there, uh, which is gonna be good for till 2041. Um when this file came to my desk, I said I can support it uh because again, schooling, near and dear to my heart. Uh there's kids sitting, there were kids sitting, there was a child sitting here who's looking forward to going to school in September, and this could be an opportunity for him to go to that school. Uh, we heard from the board chairman. Uh, they want to get going on this. There's other schools in the uh schools in the pipeline that will be supported through this. So I fully urge council to please support this and push it to DP stage where applicant and administration can start working and start hashing out the details and make this site safer, whatever it takes. So, with that, I'm closed and uh hopefully you guys can support this. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9411.925, "end": 9417.625, "text": "Thank you, Madam Clerk. Let's uh please engage the e vote. And again, uh this is an alternative recommendation to give", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9417.925, "end": 9422.365, "text": "approval and three readings uh for the bylaw. So yes means yes and no means no.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 9429.405, "end": 9430.605, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9430.965, "end": 9431.245, "text": "No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 9431.625, "end": 9434.165, "text": "Thank you. All the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9434.745, "end": 9458.665, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the uh motion has been defeated. Uh 2 to 12 with only Councillors Dallywell and Johnston in favor. Uh colleagues, we have a community luncheon. I'm going to propose that we break eight minutes early so that uh we'll have a little bit more time with our guests. Uh seeing no objection, uh, we'll be back at uh 1 15.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 14577.625, "end": 14580.485, "text": "Welcome back to Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14581.705, "end": 14584.005, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Councillor Johnston.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 14584.545, "end": 14584.785, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14585.105, "end": 14585.985, "text": "Councillor Kelly,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 14586.465, "end": 14586.965, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14587.245, "end": 14601.945, "text": "Councillor McLean, Councillor Pentezopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Schubot, Councillor Clark,", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 14602.005, "end": 14602.365, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14602.565, "end": 14606.545, "text": "Councillor Dollywall, Councillor Jameson, and Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 14607.045, "end": 14607.845, "text": "I am here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14607.965, "end": 14608.505, "text": "Thank you, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14609.545, "end": 14621.865, "text": "All right, I believe that we've ended off on uh the voting down at 7.2.2. My understanding is on the procedure bylaw, no further uh filing or procedural motions are required. Is that right, Madam Clerk?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14622.145, "end": 14638.225, "text": "Thanks for the question, Mayor Farkas. So the procedure bylaw rules provide that if a proposed bylaw has not received any readings within two years from the date that it was first published on a council agenda, the city clerk will file the proposed bylaw as abandoned. So in two years, that bylaw will be abandoned.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14638.805, "end": 14643.245, "text": "Thank you. All right, uh with that, let's move to 7.2.3.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 14644.565, "end": 14841.625, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item on the public hearing agenda is a land use redesignation application to enable a mixed use development. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 43D 2026 for the redesignation of 1914 and 1918 Center Street Northeast from a direct control or DC district to the mixed use active frontage or MU2 district. Next page, please. The subject site is located in the community of Tuxedo Park and falls within the plan area of the North Hill Community's Local Area Plan, or LAP. Next slide, please. The site consists of two parcels and is located at the southeast corner of 19th Avenue and Center Street Northeast. It is currently developed with a vacant office building. Next slide, please. Surrounding development consists of a mix of residential, commercial, and community uses. Center Street and 16th Avenue, located three blocks to the south, are both urban main streets and form part of the primary transit network. They both offer a wide variety of multi residential housing and commercial, retail, and medical services. The subject parcels are currently designated as a direct control district based on the C2 General Commercial District of the previous land use bylaw, 2PAD. The district is intended to allow for a wide variety of retail, commercial, and personal service uses at moderate intensities. The maximum building height in the current DC district is 12 meters, and the maximum floor area ratio, or FAR, is 2.0. Next slide, please. This application proposes redesignating the subject site to the MU2 district with an FAR modifier of 4.3 and a maximum building height of 24 meters. The MU-2 district enables street-oriented developments with a mix of residential and commercial uses while requiring commercial uses on the ground floor to promote activity at the street level. Next slide, please. The subject parcels fall within the plan area of the North Hill Communities LAP. The parcel is located within the neighborhood commercial typology with active frontage, which is intended for a range of commercial uses in standalone or mixed-use buildings where the ground floor must contain active uses that promote a high level of pedestrian activity on the street. The site is also located within the mid building scale area of the LAP, which allows for buildings up to 12 stories in height. Next slide, please. In closing, the proposed application would enable more housing choice, street activation, and amenities in this inner city area that is served by convenient transit options and proximity to downtown. As such, the Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the land use redesignation. Thank you, Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 21 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14842.225, "end": 14846.765, "text": "Thank you so much. Uh with that, let's open up the public hearing and I believe we have the proponent with us.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 14862.365, "end": 14871.585, "text": "Good afternoon, Mayor Farkas and members of council. My name is Paul Needham with Civic Works, the applicant representing our client, M2SC Realty Corp. Next slide, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 14873.185, "end": 14975.545, "text": "This application supports a six story transit oriented mixed use development on Center Street North. The proposal is fully aligned with the North Hill Community's local area plan. Throughout the process, multiple outreach channels were provided to support dialogue with residents and community groups, including phone, email, and a dedicated project website. Next slide, please. This proposal would bring new homes and street-oriented commercial space to a site near the crossroads of two of Calgary's main streets, 16th Avenue and Center Street North. The site is within a short walk of Max Orange and Green BRT, frequent primary transit bus service, and the future Green Line LRT, making it a strong location for transit oriented growth. Next slide, please. This application supports the LAP's station area vision through redesignation to the MU2 district, enabling an active frontage at grade with clear maximums of 24 meters in height and a floor area ratio of 4.3. Although the LAP identifies this area for mid-scale development of up to 12 stories, the proposal is intentionally limited to six stories to achieve an appropriate transition in scale to the surrounding lower density community. Next slide, please. We undertook a comprehensive community outreach process that included two rounds of neighborhood mailers, custom on-site signage, and as I mentioned, a dedicated project website. Introductory project information was also shared with the local Councillor's office and the Tuxedo Park Communities Association for review. No direct feedback was received from community members through the outreach process. With that, my presentation is concluded. We respectfully ask for council support and welcome any questions that you may have. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14976.565, "end": 14978.145, "text": "Thank you, colleagues. Any questions?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 14981.105, "end": 14981.925, "text": "Councillor Shabot, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 14983.705, "end": 14985.825, "text": "Uh thank you uh for your presentation here today.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14987.205, "end": 15006.045, "text": "Ah well obviously close proximity to Uh Max Orange which justifies, helps to justify a reduction in uh uh the on-site parking requirements. I'm just curious, because you've got twenty five parking stalls underground, um is that just a single level parquet or", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15006.585, "end": 15012.005, "text": "Correct. That's it. That would be uh through the mayor, Councillor Chabot, that would be a single layer of underground parking.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15012.105, "end": 15018.425, "text": "and that's the the highest number of uh parking stalls you can accommodate in that in that one level?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15018.605, "end": 15029.405, "text": "Given the site geometry, it's uh it's a little more square than a typical floor plate for an extended uh parquade. So wouldn't you factor in the drive aisle, which requires seven meters, it really", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 15030.825, "end": 15061.745, "text": "capitalizes on the amount of area to get a an extensive floor plate with more. So you'd have to go further underground, second plate, which would require obviously more costs, and that would result in a more expensive end product for for home uh rent rentals or buyers. So it's it's basically a balance between what what the context can bear and what the uh the balance would be with providing affordable. And units.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15062.585, "end": 15069.005, "text": "The uh the seven class two bicycle stalls that are included in the basement sorry, would those be included in the basement or?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15069.005, "end": 15072.305, "text": "Those would be provided along Center Street", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 15072.745, "end": 15087.265, "text": "for because there's four commercial ground unit bays that will face Center Street. So those class two would be for visitors to come and go that want to, you know, maybe patronize the businesses or visitors to the site.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15087.285, "end": 15088.465, "text": "So this would be outside?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15088.745, "end": 15089.225, "text": "Correct.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15089.325, "end": 15091.905, "text": "And the class ones, there's what, nineteen?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15092.625, "end": 15094.845, "text": "There's 84 class one bike stalls.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15094.845, "end": 15095.485, "text": "Sorry, seventy six.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15095.485, "end": 15095.685, "text": "So", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 15095.925, "end": 15112.605, "text": "this proposal is seeking the reductions to parking through the bylaw by accommodating additional bike parking. So there's a quite a surplus of class one versus what you would get without going for that bicycle supportive uh reduction in parking.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15112.605, "end": 15116.965, "text": "So so those class ones are in an enclosed, secured location? That's", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15116.965, "end": 15117.245, "text": "Correct?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15117.105, "end": 15120.865, "text": "it covered or is it on is it within the structure?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15120.865, "end": 15125.325, "text": "Yes, it would be within the parquet area, and uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 15126.485, "end": 15130.185, "text": "class one have to be secured. Uh that's the premise of class one.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15130.185, "end": 15131.485, "text": "That's part of the parquet.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15131.605, "end": 15132.105, "text": "Correct.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15132.125, "end": 15134.725, "text": "And i I I thought I saw 76", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15135.225, "end": 15137.665, "text": "in in the in the report.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15137.665, "end": 15154.385, "text": "Yes, there was uh there was a change in the number of units through the ongoing review of the development permit. So that's three additional units were added uh to the development permit, which is still under review, um, but that's commensurate to be 84 stalls uh by class one stalls,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15155.065, "end": 15155.445, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15155.765, "end": 15157.865, "text": "give given the increase of of three units.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15158.505, "end": 15172.525, "text": "All right, well that's all the questions I had. No, well, one la maybe last one. The the seven however number of bike bicycle parking stalls, that encompasses how much area, if I were to say have a a", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15173.305, "end": 15179.145, "text": "a car park parking spot instead of those bicycle parking stalls, those class ones.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15179.365, "end": 15201.465, "text": "Uh it's hard to say. There are distances that you need to be able to, depending on the type of rack system, some are against the wall. Um it's it's really up to mobility. I I think administration might be able to answer that question more more clearly on space requirements for class one stalls. And as to class two, it's a standard U shape uh uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 15202.545, "end": 15202.725, "text": "bikes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15202.725, "end": 15210.765, "text": "But I'm I'm referring more to the ones down s downstairs and and what I'm trying to get at is you know, we lose what, maybe three, four", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15211.045, "end": 15212.325, "text": "car s stalls,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15212.325, "end": 15218.665, "text": "Yeah, if that I mean a a typical stall is twenty feet by ten feet on average. So", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 15219.625, "end": 15226.785, "text": "however many bikes you could fit in if it's a six foot long bike and you need two feet per bike to access.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15226.785, "end": 15228.505, "text": "rack 'em and stack 'em and you can fit", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15228.505, "end": 15243.725, "text": "Yeah, there there's different ways that you can you can uh accommodate. Um and it's it's based off of how people can actually maneuver the bike. So um I think in general they try to uh str stay away from anything that requires heavy lifting.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 15244.365, "end": 15247.285, "text": "So it is limited to to what you can accommodate.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15247.285, "end": 15253.405, "text": "And if memory serves me correctly, that particular site, uh the street adjacent to your parcel is there's no parking, right?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15254.305, "end": 15255.225, "text": "Uh on", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15255.225, "end": 15255.365, "text": "Here", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15255.365, "end": 15257.045, "text": "19th Ave to the north,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 15257.445, "end": 15260.905, "text": "uh I believe there is parking, though it is restricted.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15261.305, "end": 15264.745, "text": "and but it was only on the north side, right? Not the south side? Or", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15264.745, "end": 15267.105, "text": "The south side was uh is currently a vacant parcel.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15267.385, "end": 15267.785, "text": "okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15267.965, "end": 15272.705, "text": "So so we we were on a corner site, and uh if the clerks could pull up", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 15273.405, "end": 15282.765, "text": "Maybe sorry. Maybe slide 13 sense of the site plan there.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15283.365, "end": 15288.845, "text": "So you can see the the bike stalls are along the perimeter. It's a little small just because the", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 15289.225, "end": 15308.645, "text": "how it fits on the page, but uh there's some bike stalls on the north and the west, and then 19th Ave would would be within a uh RPZ, so residential parking zone, um, for this parcel, and then to the east, there is no parking zone, but there is restricted parking along 19th Ave on the believe it's eastbound.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15310.025, "end": 15310.305, "text": "Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15311.325, "end": 15311.705, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15313.065, "end": 15315.045, "text": "Okay, thanks for being here. No further questions for me.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 15315.865, "end": 15317.505, "text": "All right, Councillor Panasopoulos, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 15317.565, "end": 15333.305, "text": "Thanks so much for the presentation. Uh in your your presentation, there was no direct uh comments from public, and there was nine letters of objection. Maybe could you summarize uh your responses to those and and was any accommodation based on their uh their concerns that were raised?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15333.565, "end": 15334.845, "text": "Yeah, sure. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 15335.925, "end": 15465.405, "text": "uh it's it spoke a lot about uh typical things that we see when there's a there's a application of higher intensity and scale than what was there previously. So um it comes down to parking supply, um increased traffic, noise, sunlight. Um Which are all to be addressed through the ongoing review of the development permit. Um, what I can say is as part of this application, we did have a transportation impact statement and parking study completed uh by Bunton Associates, and it was submitted to the city for re review. Although it wasn't required by the land use uh application, uh we still provided that. And it found that it was generally supportive of our provided parking, uh, given that there's a generally a low amount of peak trips added as part of this development. Uh it's it's a fairly small development, despite being six stories, it's it's 70 units, which is you know. Relatively on the smaller scale of a six-story building. We also heard some issues with the location of the residential entry, and and for this typology, there's no real other location that it could go, and it sort of mimics the the context of the residential street. It's residential facing entrance, and whereas commercial, you'd want that on the commercial street for that active edge. So those kinds of things uh they're sort of already in the design, um, as best as we can accommodate uh within the rules of the MU2 district, which is the active frontage, but as well as recognizing that. There are set there are setbacks that are required. Um there is a public realm setback on on Center Street, which pushes like generally would push the building back further from the street because of that reduction by 2.18 meters. Um so the building is kind of set back closer to the lane, although there is a Although there's zero setback required from the lane, there is I believe a 1.6 meter to accommodate the waste loading and stuff like that. So it is thoughtful of site design and the general feedback that we've heard through the city's own outreach process.", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 15465.485, "end": 15477.165, "text": "Thanks so much. And maybe just finally on page three or four of attachment three, you speak of clear separation between residential commercial uses and aligns with best practice for mixed use buildings. Maybe just speak to that what", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15477.565, "end": 15489.565, "text": "when you speak to best practice. What are you talking about? And then if you could actually uh bring that into the buildings to the to the east, you know, how does that a six story coming down and how does that fit in as part of a best practice as well? Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15489.925, "end": 15500.325, "text": "Yeah, great. Thank you for the question. Through the mayor, best practice typically means you're you're aligning your edges where there is an interface that", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 15501.225, "end": 15600.165, "text": "Is suitable to the context. So as I mentioned, residential faces onto a residential street, commercial faces onto a commercial street. There's a strong presence of the commercial bays along Center Street that ties into the public realm. So you can see on this image here, there's street trees, generously wide sidewalk. It's over four meters wide, I believe, which is fairly significant. And then the building itself, if you could please go to slide 13, or sorry, slide 14. Next slide. This is the concept of the building as it is currently. So through materiality and how the balcony is oriented, it feels like a comfortable, active frontage six-story building, and the materiality breaks up the ground floor and the top floor. So you're really only kind of seeing the middle four stories in terms of scale. So altogether with the public realm, the setbacks from the street, the commercial on the ground floor, the waste and recycling in the back that has sort of its own. Loading area, all these things combined to be a best practice for this building. And I'll also mention that the lane will be paved along the the rear of the site because that's where the parquade will be accessible from. And so that was one of the issues that we also heard through the comments is about lane access, as that other building, that three story across the lane, also uses the lane for access there. So it will be paved as part of this application as well.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 15600.665, "end": 15616.865, "text": "And then just you feel it's a reasonable step down center street, six stories uh to the east. I'm just looking at slide eleven um of your supplemental supplemental information. So there's sort of a a step change down. That that would be consistent with the best practice, not a big tower down to something very small and narrow.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Paul Needham", "start": 15616.865, "end": 15626.245, "text": "In general, yes. I d the the land use district to the east is M C one, so there is no height chamfer rule that would apply to this", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 15626.905, "end": 15660.965, "text": "Parcel. If it was MCG or a low density district or HGO, then that would be required where there's a height chamfer. But because it's a multi-residential district already, which can go up to four stories, there's no requirement to actually have the height chamfer. So it's a push and pull about finding the right fit for this site given its geometry, while also having that active frontage, having that public realm setback, which introduces more constraints and challenges into overall building floor plate. Does that answer your question?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 15660.965, "end": 15663.745, "text": "It does. Thank you so much uh for those uh answers. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15666.265, "end": 15683.085, "text": "Thank you so much. Uh anyone else? All right, seeing none, uh any other members of the public wishing to speak? Seeing none, uh, we will close the public hearing.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 15684.005, "end": 15686.885, "text": "Can I go over to you, Councillor Atkins?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 15688.805, "end": 15691.845, "text": "Yeah, I'll uh I'll move the the motion and open.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 15692.505, "end": 15696.965, "text": "Okay, move by Councillor Kelly, second by or sorry, move by Councillor Atkinson, second by Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15697.245, "end": 15698.465, "text": "Okay, awesome.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 15698.785, "end": 15700.825, "text": "Uh to Councillor Johnson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 15701.805, "end": 15705.045, "text": "Yeah, will this building affect the green line north at all?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15707.925, "end": 15711.625, "text": "Um, Councillor Johnson, in what way do you mean if it'll affect it?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 15714.125, "end": 15714.945, "text": "It's now", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15715.805, "end": 15720.785, "text": "what's it called again? Setback. Sorry, the setbacks right on the", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 15721.285, "end": 15723.505, "text": "uh I was just looking at a previous photo.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15724.145, "end": 15731.845, "text": "Um the setback right now for these buildings are further back, and then this one's gonna be up against the sidewalk. Um and I think I heard the", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 15732.625, "end": 15736.365, "text": "goal for the green line is to go right down Center Street. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15737.465, "end": 15740.665, "text": "will this building affect the green line building in any way?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15741.465, "end": 15743.745, "text": "I'll defer that question to my colleague in mobility.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15744.605, "end": 15756.065, "text": "Um through the chair, the green line would be accommodated, including the public realm setback as well. That's part of the the purpose of it as well as in uh improving the public realm in the area along the green line.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 15756.325, "end": 15758.565, "text": "So no concerns whatsoever with these", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15758.685, "end": 15758.945, "text": "No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 15759.105, "end": 15759.805, "text": "going forward. Oh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 15759.805, "end": 15760.045, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 15760.485, "end": 15761.805, "text": "that's all I had to ask. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 15762.905, "end": 15770.025, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Yule. Hey you stole my question. Um the so the public realm is intended for green line", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15770.545, "end": 15771.305, "text": "construction.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15773.205, "end": 15781.685, "text": "Um through the chair, it would be a it would be used for construction as well as public realm improvements along the green line to support it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 15782.005, "end": 15787.225, "text": "Okay. And is a Green Line station intended to be in this location?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15788.345, "end": 15792.805, "text": "Um I believe it's further to the south, uh closer to 16th Avenue.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 15792.985, "end": 15794.525, "text": "Okay. All right, thanks.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 15795.525, "end": 15796.425, "text": "Councillor Kelly, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 15798.245, "end": 15817.885, "text": "So about the Green Line North. No, I'm kidding. We're not gonna. I think we've we're building a Green Line North, everybody. Uh just wanted to ask a question about the existing DC uh zoning that's there. Uh because I've noticed it's not unique to this site. It goes up Center Street. I'm just wondering from a his historical standpoint, why", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 15818.785, "end": 15826.945, "text": "why did we do this DC along Center Street instead of effectively what we're seeing a uh a zoning application for today?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15830.445, "end": 15858.185, "text": "Councillor Kelly, the DC was approved when we were still using the previous land use bylaw, 2P80, and the intent of it at that time was to create a specific scope of commercial activity within that DC area. And because it's dated now, it doesn't align with our more modern council and LAP direction. So taking this back to a stock district just brings it up to date.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 15858.805, "end": 15865.305, "text": "Is there any plan to rezone the rest of it, like a city initiated rezoning to better align with the LAP?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15865.645, "end": 15869.905, "text": "No, I don't believe so at this time it would be on a parcel owner by parcel owner case.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 15870.145, "end": 15873.485, "text": "And uh Center Street was one of the main streets, correct?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15873.825, "end": 15876.165, "text": "That's correct. Center Street's an urban main street.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 15876.505, "end": 15882.125, "text": "And this aligns with that uh center street uh or the main street plan as well, correct?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15882.205, "end": 15883.205, "text": "Yes, absolutely.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 15883.525, "end": 15884.205, "text": "Cool, thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15886.665, "end": 15888.045, "text": "All right. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 15888.665, "end": 15890.205, "text": "over to you to close, Councillor Atkins.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 15891.605, "end": 15954.745, "text": "Uh yeah, Center Street North. Um obviously Green Line North will be great when we get there. Um, but you've actually been seeing some of these developments. One block north of here at this location, there's a five-story building. It's got a little uh Rosso coffee shop on the bottom that's been actually quite successful and sort of staying open. And I think a big part of that is sort of the higher density that we're sort of seeing come into this area on the especially the north side of 16th Avenue. The uh connection to the Orange Max line right on 16th Avenue there, and the green line uh even bus in in the time being is a is a great asset uh very close by, and actually just a block south of here, you've got a a Safeway grocery store as well. So it's a very sort of walkable uh connected area, uh just just a couple minutes north of where we are now. So I think this uh this kind of uh density is pretty contextual to what we're seeing in and around the neighborhood uh and fits fits with uh where things are going. Closed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15955.445, "end": 15958.125, "text": "Thank you. Uh Madam Clerk, let's please engage the vote on that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 15976.545, "end": 15977.925, "text": "Councillor Shabot, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15981.845, "end": 15982.225, "text": "No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 15982.825, "end": 15985.965, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15987.625, "end": 16016.725, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion is carried 13 to 1 with Councillor Shabot opposed. Alright, colleagues, I'll move to the readings. First reading of bylaw 44 D 2026. Anyone opposed?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 16018.165, "end": 16024.065, "text": "Councillor Shabot is opposed. Second reading of bylaw 44 D 2026. Councillor Shabot was opposed.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16024.445, "end": 16030.765, "text": "And that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 44 D 2026. Anyone opposed?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 16031.285, "end": 16034.625, "text": "Apologies, your worship, just confirming we're reading the correct bylaw numbers.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 16035.685, "end": 16038.445, "text": "Forty th forty-three D?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 16038.945, "end": 16047.865, "text": "43D 2006. 43. It's forty-three D.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16051.945, "end": 16069.765, "text": "Oh, that is uh my mistake entirely. I'm sorry, colleagues. All right, we're scrapping all of that. Moving to the readings of bylaw 43D 2026.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 16070.805, "end": 16088.305, "text": "First reading of bylaw 43D 2026. Anyone opposed? Councillor Shabot is opposed, and that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 43 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Councillor Shabot is opposed, and that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 43D 2026. Anyone opposed?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16088.985, "end": 16091.685, "text": "Seeing none that or hearing none, that is carried unanimously.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 16092.085, "end": 16098.065, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 43D 2026. Anyone opposed? Councillor Shabot is opposed, and that is carried.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16098.525, "end": 16108.845, "text": "Alright, we will now move to 7.2.4. I was reading the 7.2.4 one. I mean it was a bit wishful thinking. Just kidding. Alright, uh, take us away, please.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16109.065, "end": 16312.265, "text": "Thanks, Mayor Farkas. Everyone will understand your mistake as I get into my presentation. This is going to sound very familiar. The next item on the agenda is a land use redesignation application to allow for mixed use development. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 44 D 2026 for the redesignation of 3013 and 3019 Center Street north from the residential grade oriented infill or RCG district to the mixed use active frontage or MU2 district. Next slide, please. The subject site is also located in the community of Tuxed Park and falls within the plan area of the North Hill Community's Local Area Plan, or LAP. Next slide, please. The site consists of two parcels and is located on the northeast corner of 30th Avenue and Center Street North. It is currently developed with low density residential housing. Next slide, please. Surrounding development consists of a mix of residential, commercial, and community uses. Center Street is an urban main street and forms part of the primary transit network. It offers a wide variety of housing and commercial, retail, and medical services. Tuxedo Park is located across Center Street to the east and contains amenities such as playfields, skating rink, playground, and the community association facilities. The parcels are currently designated as the RCG district, which is intended for a variety of housing forms, including row houses and townhouses. The maximum building height is 11 meters, and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare. Next slide, please. This application proposes redesignating the subject site to the MU2 district with a floor area ratio modifier of 6.5, a maximum building height of 42 meters, and a maximum density of 708 units per hectare. Or, based on the site area of 0.13 hectares, would equate to 92 units. The MU2 district enables street-oriented developments with a mix of residential and commercial uses while requiring commercial uses on the ground floor to promote activity at the street level. Next slide, please. The subject parcel falls within the plan area of the North Hill Communities LAP. The parcel is located within the neighborhood commercial typology with active frontage, which is intended for a range of commercial uses in standalone or mixed use buildings where the ground floor must contain active uses that promote a high level of pedestrian activity on the street. The site is also located within the mid building scale area of the LAP, which allows for buildings up to 12 stories in height. Next slide, please. In closing, the proposed application would enable more housing choice, street activation, and amenities in this inner city area that is served by convenient transit options and proximity to downtown. As such, Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the land use redesignation. Thank you, Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 22 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16312.825, "end": 16318.585, "text": "Thank you very much. Let's open up the public hearing and do we have the proponent with us? Thank you. Come on down.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Steve Simon", "start": 16327.005, "end": 16338.985, "text": "Afternoon, Mayor Councillors. My name is Steve Simon from Urban Opia Design Architects. I'm the person that submitted. I don't have a presentation, but if anyone has any questions, more than open to them.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16340.405, "end": 16342.405, "text": "Thanks so much for being here. Any questions, colleagues?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 16343.905, "end": 16346.845, "text": "No, I think you may be off. Uh Councillor Penizopolis. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 16347.805, "end": 16373.545, "text": "Yeah, thanks so much for the presentation. You know, it's it's uh interesting, your application came right after the one previous. Uh we're talking seven, eight blocks north, I think yours is. Um six stories, the previous applicant spoke of there's a general step down, six stories to three. And this is a twelve story to a single family home. Clerks, do you mind just bringing up that that uh screenshot? Uh thank you so much. So I just wanted to show,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16374.725, "end": 16405.565, "text": "maybe just speak to that. So this is what's proposing a 12 story on Center Street, five, six blocks away from the one, down to a single family home. Same issue, you've got a lane, and if you scroll down. We just heard the the the ward Councillor say six stories contextually make sense, et cetera, in the neighborhoods. Maybe just talk to why 12 stories? Six you look down the street, it's all those beautiful six stories, it contextually fits, there's a gradual step down. Why are you jumping for twelve stories? How is that better for the community next to a single family home?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Steve Simon", "start": 16405.565, "end": 16437.205, "text": "Sorry. So just on the other side of the street to us, there is actually, so contextually, we wanted to match the height, the proposed height of the building that was just on the opposite side of the street. So in terms of the way that it would look urbanly, we just thought it would be nice if there was a matching development on the opposite side, on the other side of the street. So their one was proposed at around 12 stories, and so was our one as well.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 16442.525, "end": 16446.205, "text": "Thoughts on neighborhood context, or the only context, even though it's next to a single family home,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16446.985, "end": 16468.665, "text": "that doesn't matter. Just that step down, that's a huge step, just talk through that. Like it's you know, the concept is. You know, a few months ago we approved something in Marteloupe. It was sort of seven, eight stories, down to six, five, three, and then down into the makes sense. I'm not an urban planner, but um so your sole purpose is it's twelve stories across the street, why not put one in this corner as well, irrespective of the neighbors.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Steve Simon", "start": 16468.985, "end": 16517.365, "text": "Yeah, because uh their development has exactly the same context contextual limitations as us. Um and so when we were looking at it, what we thought we could do is we this is not a this is a development permit issue, but we thought that we could actually use within the building, we could propose certain stepbacks and you know, as the building was changing within the site, as opposed to actually having it step down on the actual site. So there are ways that we can manipulate the architecture to actually create that kind of contextual, you know, stepping, but we we felt that we could do that within the actual architecture rather than lowering it and then trying to make it contextually all the same as or slightly higher than what was behind it. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 16517.925, "end": 16520.845, "text": "Thanks so much for the presentation and answering the questions. Thank you so much.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 16522.065, "end": 16526.325, "text": "Thank you so much. Uh any other Councillor Atkinson, did you want to jump in?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16527.045, "end": 16536.585, "text": "Covered. Okay. Alright. Uh any other members of public wishing to speak to this? Alright. Going once, twice.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 16537.425, "end": 16541.485, "text": "That uh public hearing now is closed. Alright, I'm gonna go back to you, Councillor Atkinson.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 16543.065, "end": 16568.585, "text": "Um yeah, for administration, um just if you can speak a little bit more to sort of yeah, it's it's similar in some ways to the application that we just heard, but this area within the plan is slated for that sort of higher uh higher density. Can you talk about sort of the contextuality that Councillor Pantozopoulos was maybe just speaking to with the applicant? Yes. Thoughts around that.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16568.585, "end": 16615.125, "text": "Johnson. So in the North Hill Communities LAP, this area is designated for the highest intensities of commercial, particularly on this block where it has that added layer of the active frontage, that little blue stripe that's on the map. So that's where it's deemed appropriate in the neighborhood. As for the land use that's being proposed today, that would allow for some sort of development that matches the intent of the LAP. There's no minimum statement there. So aligning the land use with what the LAP allows makes planning sense contextually. What is appropriate for height and what is appropriate for density will all be determined at the development permit stage upon review of the building form and the contextual or the local context.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 16615.585, "end": 16618.585, "text": "Um, maybe if we can go to slide", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16619.005, "end": 16634.465, "text": "14. So just my my understanding for why it would be this way within the plan is this, and I may I I'm not sure if that's right. I want to confirm it's because of the proximity to the the future Green Line station there.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16634.625, "end": 16651.505, "text": "Yeah, that's correct, Councillor. This map indicates that the future Green Line station is adjacent to Tuxedo Park there. So it the proximity would make sense again, and that's why this proposed land use is in alignment with the maximum that the LAP would allow in this location.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 16651.725, "end": 16654.585, "text": "Okay. Is there any concern like", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16655.205, "end": 16679.125, "text": "it's a bit sort of like Um, you know, w this is the plan, this is where we're going, but we know Green Line North, and this station is not going to be here for a while. Um, and and sort of what we're what we end up building today is not going to have this sort of major component of the", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 16679.305, "end": 16713.265, "text": "Of the plan and the decision to allow 12-story here for quite some time, which then changes the usage patterns uh and the traffic patterns and and parking and these kinds of things that are likely going to be higher than at the point if this was built once there's a green line station here, it uh the folks moving in move in and s build certain habits around it. Is there any concern at all around this going forward with this height at this point in time without the supporting infrastructure in and around for mobility purposes?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16714.105, "end": 16748.205, "text": "Before it looks like you're wanting something from Mr. Hopkins with regard to mobility, but I can say before he jumps in that the redesignation or the proposal that is before you today is to align with the LAP, which is our long term plan for the area. I'm not sure it would make sense to redesignate it to something that allows for less dense, less height, when all of those issues, based on the local context, can be addressed through a development permit that would occur, say, now. So if Mr. Hopkins you want to jump in mobility.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 16748.565, "end": 16783.485, "text": "Yeah, through the through the chair, I I mean I can't speak to height, um, but for the density it was reviewed. With this application and a TIA was not required, but the application could be supported, and at the development permit stage, we'd ensure that there's appropriate parking and bike parking and any improvements that might be required to support the development ahead of Green Line coming. Green Line will be a benefit once it comes, but we all know that's not for some time. So but we don't have concerns, at least from a traffic impact perspective, currently. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 16784.345, "end": 16786.965, "text": "Okay, thank you. I'll let other folks ask.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 16788.325, "end": 16791.565, "text": "Thanks. Uh I see nobody else in here. Do you want to move the item?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 16795.905, "end": 16832.885, "text": "Yeah, I will move the item. Um it's this it's this is a tricky thing. We build our plans on the future, and we're in this sort of tricky spot around the infrastructure not necessarily being there, but this is it would also be a problem to have this site redevelop into something and then have uh city infrastructure, like major city infrastructure, come in at some point down the road and have a building there that is not going to be maximizing our usage of a very important uh city resource in the green line that hopefully comes in there.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16833.305, "end": 16866.565, "text": "So it's tricky because you yeah, you want to make sure we should be trying to lead with the transportation and the amenity structure in and around. But if we end up building to something lower density, then we're actually going to be in some ways not best utilizing this future infrastructure that's coming into play. So I support it cautiously, but and I would hope that that a lot of work goes into the development permit that sort of recognizes where we are now and then where we need to be once the green line lands in there in the future.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 16868.205, "end": 16877.425, "text": "Alright, that's been second by Councillor Kelly. Just briefly debate it. I think that's a th thoughtful introduction. Let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I'm happy to support this, but uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16877.865, "end": 16879.505, "text": "I like your take on that, Councillor Atkinson.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 16880.185, "end": 16881.025, "text": "Councillor Kelly, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 16882.165, "end": 16892.285, "text": "Yeah, the the uh happy to second both this one and the and the previous one. The the previous one was three blocks from ward four, this one is two blocks from ward four. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 16893.425, "end": 16992.105, "text": "clerks, can you actually bring up uh slide five of the presentation? Um One of the things that I like about this particular application is it's filling in a gap. You can see there, it's the only RCG sites left on this side of Center Street. If we're talking about nodes and corridors, this is exactly where uh it needs to go. At the same time, I just want to note on here uh some of the development that some of the development that we're seeing in the area as it relates to the contextual uh is uh you can see down there on like 29th Avenue and 28th Avenue, there's MC1 for the entire rest of the block. And you can see that up on 31st Avenue, you're the the kinds of redesignations that are starting to come with the MCG there that's uh that's right off the the alley. Um This is how this part of the neighborhood is growing. And so I think that this makes a an absolute ton of sense. And I do also like the fact that this particular site, uh, in the original design of Center Street, it it was considered for this by the alley that separates these lots uh from uh some of the residential RC uh uh RC2 now, I guess, uh instead of RCG uh uh uh houses that are in there that are that are even densifying as well. That this is, I think, contextually makes a ton of sense with what's going on around it, including uh the uh regional park that's right across the street from it as well. Um so yeah, from a debate perspective, I'm I'm Super happy to support this. This is exactly where we should be putting this kind of density.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 16993.825, "end": 16996.205, "text": "All right. I think back to Councillor Atkinson close.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 16997.325, "end": 16997.685, "text": "Closed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16998.665, "end": 17006.825, "text": "Madam Clerk, let's please engage the uh e-vote on the recommendations and the readings of bylaw 44D 2026.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 17027.265, "end": 17028.845, "text": "Councillor Ewell, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 17029.125, "end": 17029.445, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 17029.605, "end": 17032.185, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Clerk, your vote please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 17032.185, "end": 17032.545, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 17032.645, "end": 17038.245, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17038.525, "end": 17064.265, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. That motion is carried 13 to 1. I'm going to move now to the readings of bylaw 44D 2026. So", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 17064.685, "end": 17070.265, "text": "first reading of bylaw, or sorry, I should say motion was carried 13 to 1. Councillor Pentasopoulos was opposed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17071.085, "end": 17074.805, "text": "First reading of bylaw 44 D 2026. Anyone opposed?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 17074.965, "end": 17077.885, "text": "Councillor Panasopoulos is opposed, and that is carried.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17078.345, "end": 17082.085, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 44 D 2026. Anyone opposed?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 17082.565, "end": 17085.145, "text": "Councillor Panasopoulos is opposed and that is carried.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17085.605, "end": 17092.825, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 44 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 17093.245, "end": 17099.845, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 44 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Councillor Penasopoulos is opposed, and that is carried.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17100.885, "end": 17105.445, "text": "Alright, we're gonna move down the street to 7.2.5, Land Use Amendments in Crescent Heights.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 17108.065, "end": 17285.545, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item on the agenda is also a land use redesignation application to enable a multi-residential development. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 41D 2026 for the redesignation of 301, 303, and 307, 15th Avenue Northeast to increase the allowable density on the parcel from 72 units per hectare to 111 units per hectare. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the community of Crescent Heights and falls within the plan area of the North Hill Community's Local Area Plan, or LAP. The site is located one block south of 16th Avenue and one block west of Edmonton Trail. Next slide, please. The site consists of three parcels and is located at the southeast corner of 15th Avenue and 2nd Street, Northeast. Each parcel is currently developed with a single detached dwelling and a detached garage accessed from the rear lane to the south. Next slide, please. Surrounding development consists of a mix of low density residential developments shown in yellow and multi residential developments shown in brown. 16th Avenue and Edmonton Trail are both urban main streets and form part of the primary transit network. Both streets offer a wide variety of multi residential housing and commercial, retail, and medical services. The parcels are currently designated as the Multi Ridential, Contextual Grade Oriented, or MCG District, which is intended to accommodate multi residential developments adjacent to low density residential development. The district currently has a density modifier of 72 units per hectare, which allows up to eight dwelling units. Next slide, please. The proposed MCG district, without a density modifier, would allow up to 111 units per hectare as per the base district, which equates to an additional four units over the three parcels. The rest of the district rules would remain unchanged. Next slide, please. The subject parcel falls within the plan area of the North Hill Communities LAP. The parcel is located within the neighborhood local typology, which is intended for a range of housing types and home-based businesses. The site is also located within the low building scale area of the LAP, which allows for buildings up to six stories in height. Next slide, please. In closing, the proposed application would enable more housing in an intercity area that is close to amenities and public transit. As such, the Calgary Planning Commission recommends that council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the land use redesignation. Thank you, Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 21 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17286.925, "end": 17295.885, "text": "Thank you. Let's uh please open up our public hearing on 7.2.5. Land use amendments in Crescent Heights. Uh I see we have the proponent with us. So come on down, Lee.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Lei Wang", "start": 17300.245, "end": 17311.165, "text": "Thanks, Mayor and Counselors. I'll be speaking for this item and uh the next four items, so you'll see me for quite a bit. Uh so Camborough, uh your slide number seven, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 17314.065, "end": 17385.625, "text": "And I I could agree with uh the presenter more about uh this is uh contextually sensitive density. That uh aligns fully with our local airplane. Uh, if we look at this local airplane, our local airplane defines a lot as network local with a building scale of up to six stories. The lot is also within the elementary polygon and also the main street polygon. It's also very close distance to the Central Street Polygon. So we're talking about three main street. Uh there are many recreational and uh uh commercial facilities in the area. Uh public translates are also widely available within very close distance. Uh there are also existing, there are also many existing multi-retential uh development in the area. So uh with all these factors together, we think uh the uh this is a great spot for contextually sensitive density that can support the future groups of the city uh where we already have the infra infrastructure. We connect with the community by sending flyers to Redens within three blocks. Uh we also set up big signs on a lot and we also sit down with the planning committee.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 17385.625, "end": 17390.485, "text": "I'm just gonna jump in. I I apologize for interrupting you. I believe we may have the uh wrong map up on the screen.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17394.285, "end": 17395.585, "text": "Oh, that that map works.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Lei Wang", "start": 17395.585, "end": 17396.565, "text": "Yeah, this is fine. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 17396.565, "end": 17397.885, "text": "Sorry, please uh go ahead.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Lei Wang", "start": 17397.885, "end": 17398.545, "text": "Yeah, thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 17398.705, "end": 17399.665, "text": "Sorry for interrupting you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker Lei Wang", "start": 17399.745, "end": 17470.745, "text": "I just get to the uh public engagement part. We sit down with the planning committee of the Pricing High Community Association. This community association is very diligent in providing their comments. So they provide a seven-page comments with the DP we submitted. Those comments are touch on the material setting, color setting, the roofing style, the uh uh privacy, uh privacy sheltering, and then all many other uh elements. So I comment the uh I applause the Committee Association's effort. Uh right after I meet with the planning committee, I push the density down from the uh 10 units with uh Bestman Street to nine units with nine Basement Street. The current zoning already allows eight units with at Bestman Street. So we are adding one unit with one basement suite here at this permanent spot. And also we provide uh during permit comments, point by point uh response to community associations uh comments. So um although uh you know we still couldn't uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 17471.125, "end": 17483.205, "text": "clear the gap with the community association, but uh we really appreciate their effort and uh we'll continue work with the community association in uh the durant permit process. With that I conclude my presentation. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17483.505, "end": 17501.545, "text": "Thank you so much for being with us. Do we have any questions for the applicant? All right, uh seeing none, thank you so much for being here with us. Anyone else in the public who would like to speak to this item 7.2.5? Going once, going twice.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 17503.145, "end": 17507.145, "text": "All right, we will close the public hearing. I'm gonna go over to you, Councillor Atkinson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 17508.785, "end": 17515.805, "text": "Yeah, um a quick question for administration on slide, if we can actually go to side seven again there. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 17517.545, "end": 17542.385, "text": "this is something I see sometimes in these in like the local area plan, but the difference we've got like on the on the left hand side the urban form and the building scale map on the second, and they don't it's not a one-to-one mapping, right? We've got sort of this area that's all along Edmonton Trail on the low up to six stories on the on the right hand side in the building scale, but where this", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 17543.245, "end": 17554.825, "text": "parcel fits in terms of the urban form is on the neighborhood local side of things. Can you sort of uh help me put those two together a little bit?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 17556.385, "end": 17642.045, "text": "Thanks, Councillor Atkinson. I may start, but Mr. Frase from the LAP team may want to jump in if I say anything silly. The neighborhood local in this case is really speaking to the anticipated use and anticipated activity here. So as I mentioned my presentation, neighborhood locals really intended for different housing types, and any sort of commercial would be in the home based business. There isn't any anticipated commercial activity there. Whereas the building skill we're looking at Kind of creating that transition from the main street and then down to the center of the neighborhood that isn't kind of within that perimeter that's surrounded by the main streets. So I think in this case we're the map three, Urban Forum, demonstrates that commercial is intended to run along Edmonton Trail and then transition to more residential uses and that quieter activity versus building scale. The building scale for that first block that's adjacent to Edmonton Trail is still acceptable in the same size, up to that six meter, knowing that buildings of residential that are six meters are still gonna be quieter than commercial. So building form and the anticipated uses in the area don't line up perfectly because sometimes quieter uses can be in a same size building.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 17642.205, "end": 17653.325, "text": "Right, right. So it's more about the use and as that commercial difference between uh the one and the other. Um okay, that's uh I'll pass it over. I see another question here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 17655.085, "end": 17656.405, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Kelly, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 17658.045, "end": 17671.985, "text": "Yeah, I just want to confirm here, taking building up where uh uh Councillor Atkinson was going here. The uh neighborhood local uh across the street from this is a single parcel,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 17672.865, "end": 17677.705, "text": "and kitty corner to this is actually the parking lot to Peters Drive In, correct?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 17678.845, "end": 17679.565, "text": "That's correct.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 17681.085, "end": 17693.105, "text": "Yeah, so it's not it's it's not a whole lot of it it uh what I'm getting at is the map on the left is a little on the a little on the weird side. It's a little misleading, I guess, is maybe the way I should say it. Uh not", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 17693.765, "end": 17703.425, "text": "intentionally so, but just taking a look at it. I think that the map on the right uh actually more accurately represents what's going on in the in the neighborhood. Would you agree with that?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 17703.645, "end": 17725.765, "text": "For clarification, I would say that the map on the right, where it's yellow, which indicates neighborhood local residential, is not necessarily one parcel. It looks like it's about half of that block to the north. So the colors don't perfectly line up with property lines, but where intended activity is anticipated.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 17726.405, "end": 17739.765, "text": "Yeah, I think that if I remember correctly, the across the street from from this, it it it is a higher density building, though, and then there's only one sort of 1950s bungalow left on that on that block, is what I'm getting at.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 17740.785, "end": 17744.805, "text": "Uh cool. Uh nothing else for me, but I'm happy to second it when we get to that point.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 17746.665, "end": 17747.685, "text": "Councillor Dollywell, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 17748.465, "end": 17759.045, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. Just a quick question. Uh for clarification. Um the map on the left is sh showing neighborhood local. Uh this little star. On the right is the build scale.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 17759.425, "end": 17769.045, "text": "But why Let's forget about this star. Just go to the west of this star. It's neighborhood local, but it's still showing up to six stories.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 17770.265, "end": 17774.545, "text": "That's correct. But neighborhood local can only be three stories, isn't that correct?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 17776.085, "end": 17790.925, "text": "Um, I would have to defer this question to someone on the LAP team. I'm not sure as to what decisions went into that makes this block appropriate for the six story versus three story, so I'll defer to Mr. Frays.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17791.545, "end": 17838.185, "text": "Yeah. Hi, good afternoon through the mayor. Um uh yes, you're correct. The uh neighborhood local um is indicating uh urban form type, the building scale indicates uh height type. The six-story height can exist within the neighborhood local in this case. That's the as Ms. Ganzar explained, uh the characteristics of the urban form don't necessarily equate one-to-one to the building scale. So you can have a neighborhood local with a higher building scale uh in this environment. And this would have happened through uh the engagement that occurred with the community and looking at this on a block by block basis, looking at the existing context, looking at what's on this on these blocks already, just to make that determination on the ground as we're going through the process.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 17838.485, "end": 17846.365, "text": "Okay. So it won't be uh uniform all across all the LAPs. It's it's local context based.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17846.425, "end": 17866.245, "text": "Uh yeah, oftentimes it is. As we I mean we obviously don't want to um create a one size fits all solution for every LAP. We want to try to customize it to what's happening on the ground. And certainly in this case uh we've got a lot of different interesting things going on around it that come into play when we determine what what's the appropriate uh urban form and building scale. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 17866.585, "end": 17870.085, "text": "That explains everything for me. Thank you for the clarification. That's it for me, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 17872.645, "end": 17875.005, "text": "Thank you. Uh go to Councillor Atkinson and move it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 17876.585, "end": 17930.685, "text": "Yeah, I'll move this. The um this area of sort of 16th Avenue, Edmonton Trail, Center Street has seen some pretty uh heavy development uh recently over the last couple of years. If you're seeing us sort of a lot of um six-story, eight-story, ten-story buildings in in and around along the corridor there. Uh while this is inset, this is a part of sort of the waterfall too. It's good to hear sort of the difference between in use, and I think that's something that it's good for my brain to wrap itself around, is the difference between the residential context versus the height context. Um, but uh I think for where this is, I think actually the point about Kitty Corner to this is a very busy, active Calgary hotspot in the Peters Driving Park parking lot. And uh, you know, having a couple more people that can uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 17931.505, "end": 17937.765, "text": "Walk over and grab a burger is maybe not necessarily a bad thing. So uh I'll leave it there as my open.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 17938.125, "end": 17940.885, "text": "All right, seconded by Councillor Kelly and over to you, Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 17941.105, "end": 17942.585, "text": "Yeah, I just uh uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 17943.325, "end": 18001.725, "text": "It's fine. The last three you've had, we wanted three blocks from Ward 4, two blocks from Ward 4. This one's one block from Ward 4. So uh maybe the next one will be Ward 4. It won't. We've I don't think we've had one in Ward 4 since I've started in six months ago. Uh yeah, I I just want I I really appreciated the conversation that we actually just had there around uh the difference between the built form and uh uh and the typology, uh, which is also explains a little bit for me when I was asking the questions about like why are we not just rezoning everything based off of our LAPs? This is the why, this is the why we we don't just do it and why we need to take a look at the LAPs uh uh when making these decisions. And when I take a look at this, this uh matches with what the LAP is, and as well as uh I mean, I frequent uh my bus stop is like one block away from here. So uh yeah, I frequent this uh somewhat regularly, and uh it makes a ton of sense on the ground in this particular context. So happy to second it and support it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 18002.905, "end": 18004.905, "text": "All right, over to Councillor Atkinson to close, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 18005.885, "end": 18006.325, "text": "Close.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18007.585, "end": 18010.385, "text": "Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote, please, on uh the sign.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 18036.125, "end": 18037.665, "text": "Councillor Ewell, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 18037.925, "end": 18038.205, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 18038.465, "end": 18040.925, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Jamison, your vote please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 18041.225, "end": 18041.545, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 18042.565, "end": 18043.945, "text": "Councillor Clark, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor H. Clark", "start": 18044.545, "end": 18048.685, "text": "Yeah, my e-scribe is uh being rather rude today. Um, yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 18049.745, "end": 18052.845, "text": "Thank you. Noted. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18054.185, "end": 18095.565, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. And that motion is carried unanimously 14 to 0. All right, we will move to the readings of bylaw 41 D 2026. First reading of bylaw 41D 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 41 D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 41 D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that's carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 41 D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried. Okay, let's move on to 7.2.6, land use amendment in BAF Trail, Ward 7.", "segments_merged": 13 }, { "speaker": "Administration", "start": 18097.425, "end": 18286.885, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item on the agenda is a land use redesignation application that would allow for grade oriented housing with a minimum density. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to refuse and abandon proposed bylaw 36D 2026 for the redesignation of 2435 23rd Street Northwest from the residential grade oriented infill or RCG district to a direct control or DC district. Next slide, please. The subject parcel is located in the northwest community of Banff Trail, on the southwest side of 23rd Street between 24th Avenue to the north and 23rd Avenue to the south. Next slide, please. The subject site is approximately 0.06 hectares in area and is currently developed with a single detached dwelling and a detached garage accessed from the rear lane. Next slide, please. Surrounding development consists primarily of single detached and semi detached houses, shown in yellow and orange. The Banff Trail LRT station is located approximately two blocks to the south, as well as commercial uses along Crowchild Trail, shown in red. The site is currently designated as the RCG district, which allows for a variety of low density housing forms, including row houses and townhouses. The maximum building height is 11 meters and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare. Based on parcel area, this site currently allows up to four dwelling units. Next slide, please. This application proposes a DC district based on the RCG district. The proposed DC district differs from the base district by precluding uses that could result in one or two unit developments by setting a minimum density of three units per parcel. The DC district also excludes uses that allow for one and two unit developments, such as contextual single, and semi-detached dwellings, duplexes, and cluster housing. Next slide, please. The subject parcel falls within the plan area of the South Shaganapi Community's Local Area Plan, or LAP. The parcel is located within the neighborhood local typology, which is intended for a range of housing types and forms that consider the local context, and within the mid building scale, which allows buildings up to 12 stories in height. Next slide, please. Upon debating the merits of the application and the recommendation from administration, Calgary Planning Commission agrees that the proposed DC district is inconsistent with the South Shaganapi LAP. The LAP does not set minimum densities or restrict low density residential uses in the neighborhood local typology as the proposed land use intends. For these reasons and those stated in the report before you, Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council refuse and abandon the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject parcel. Thank you, Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 20 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18287.605, "end": 18290.545, "text": "Thank you very much. Uh let's open up the public hearing on this item.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 18291.425, "end": 18292.085, "text": "Uh please approach.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 18296.025, "end": 18452.065, "text": "Thanks you mayor counselors. So um for this specific file um I have been struggling Struggling quite long for this recommendation. Normally I would be in agreement with the administration and the Calgary Planning Commission, but respectfully not for this one. The reasons are below. This site is within 300 meters from the LIT station, 700 meters from the major activity centers, including Foothill at Lake Park, McMahon Stadium, and University Calgary. Our local airplane, being South Shaganape local airplane, defined the lot as network local with a building scale of up to 12 stories. The site is also within the Banff Trail station area's call zone. So this is typically, this is our typical nose and corridor development. If we go to slide number five, coming slide number five. So, as you can see from this slide number five, in the past, there have been many direct control approved for the exact same reason what we are doing now. The development permit for this specific project has been fully approved, and then there's no one appeal this project. And so far, the all the engagement shows there's only one opposition for the proposed development. So I again I respect administration's opinion of. Not like to use direct control to set up minimum density, but at this point we still have no other tools, no other zonings within our land use land use bylaw that can achieve that without triggering all the other reactions. So, with all the respect, I I think this case deserves some um uh consideration for reverse of the administration's representation. So You know, two um for the reasons I just talked about, including the closeness to the Sichuan station, closeness to those major activity centers, our local area plans clearly support high density at this location, and also the past uh project that was supported before. The only reason those projects can proceed is exactly because of direct control zoning. So with that, I conclude my presentation. I hope counselors can give it some thinking. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 26 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 18453.985, "end": 18456.065, "text": "Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Atkinson.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 18457.345, "end": 18467.165, "text": "Um I'm just curious. Well, we've hit we've hit it, friends. RCG. Uh uh what are you planning on building here?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 18467.765, "end": 18472.565, "text": "So the current derived permit is a four unit with four basement speed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 18473.645, "end": 18484.745, "text": "Sorry? Yes, I but like so it RCG allows a a a whole host of different types. This is a mid mid block site. Yeah. Um so like", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 18484.745, "end": 18488.665, "text": "Procedure, sorry. We always have to talk about land use, not what's gonna be built there.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18491.345, "end": 18493.365, "text": "Sorry, could you repeat the question?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 18493.365, "end": 18498.325, "text": "Oh, it was very common last that you yeah, we can't talk about what's gonna be built there, we can only talk about land use.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 18498.405, "end": 18508.485, "text": "Land use, yeah. Um yeah, that's fair. Sure. I'll leave it.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18509.205, "end": 18514.905, "text": "All right, uh anyone else for the applicant? All right. Uh yeah,", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 18515.545, "end": 18516.605, "text": "Councillor Kelly, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18517.145, "end": 18529.825, "text": "Uh you had mentioned the the the other DCs in the area, but uh as you can see from the map, like all the other DCs are on corner lots. Uh wondering why like what are your thoughts there? Why are you equating those two things similarly?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 18530.105, "end": 18595.145, "text": "Yeah, so from the chair to Councillor uh DJ Kelly, I think that's a great observation. I think generally speaking, I would say uh for low density, if the if the uh building scale is less than three stories, four stories, I won't we won't even propose this project. And also, if we can also acquire a few other lot uh within this block, we might even propose for MCG, MC1, MC2 development. And even with MC1, MCG, MC2, we still need direct control to support setting up minimum density. So the um so the covenant will not dominate what we can develop here. So I do recognize the difference of uh what is already approved uh in the area, but also the um the building scale of this lot, I think, also need to play a factor here. And the the goal of the direct control is actually to set up uh minimal density so we can uh you know actually do uh you know what the RIP says uh they envisioned for this area to be.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18595.725, "end": 18599.505, "text": "I I see what you're doing. Okay. Uh thank you for your answer.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18601.165, "end": 18619.145, "text": "All right, anyone else? Seeing none, thank you so much for being with us. Is there anybody else uh wishing to speak to this item from the public? All right, um Going once, going twice.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 18620.285, "end": 18623.365, "text": "We're gonna close up the public hearing. I'll go to you, Councillor Atkinson.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 18623.825, "end": 18643.265, "text": "Yeah, just a couple questions here. So um this is for the land use change. How will the changes coming in around RCG and timing affect what what happens like with what gets approved today if this was to be approved?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 18644.465, "end": 18648.045, "text": "So I'll answer that as a are you asking in the context of repeal?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 18648.245, "end": 18648.745, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 18648.745, "end": 18649.145, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 18649.145, "end": 18649.485, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 18649.585, "end": 18684.245, "text": "So one of the qualifiers to maintain an exemption from the repeal was to submit a development permit for use that otherwise would have been not enabled through the original rezoning for housing. As the proponent has described, there is a valid DP already issued for four units. It's valid and uh confirming with the uh applicant we have no records of an appeal having been filed yet. Therefore, it qualifies for an exemption. Uh should council refuse this uh recommend uh approve this recommendation, it will retain its RCG post August 4th.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 18685.185, "end": 18690.365, "text": "Retainance RCG, but and the the development permit sorry has been issued.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 18690.485, "end": 18692.485, "text": "The development permit has already been issued.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 18693.205, "end": 18752.165, "text": "Okay. And so in the local area plan for this, if we go to slide seven there. Yeah, so this is once again one of those pieces kind of like the last one where we have a difference between um sort of the height, which is actually is up to 12 stories in this spot, but then it's in a neighborhood local. But to accomplish what Like this 12-story and under, we heard from the applicant that there's the this sort of uh incongruity between what is set out in the land local area plan and what can be built uh via the the zoning possibilities for this area, I guess. I'm trying to", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 18752.705, "end": 18754.845, "text": "And you're asking how it how to reconcile this.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 18754.845, "end": 18755.605, "text": "reconcile these.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 18755.605, "end": 18785.905, "text": "Yeah, so so basically, whenever an applicant comes in for a redesignation, they communicate. Generally speaking, the land use uh permissions required to accomplish their development vision. And um when the applicant comes in and for this particular application, they described exactly what they were doing, and um it didn't require 12 stories. And in fact, after analysis, uh policy already and the land use already in place already supported what they were intending to do.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 18786.145, "end": 18814.485, "text": "And that's why we have the development permit issue, but why we're here today hearing and so in the local area plan, there is some verbiage around restrictive covenants, which there is a restrictive covenant in this area of Banff Trail. Can you sort of explain the approach via the local area plans and land use changes with restrictive covenants through the local area plans?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 18815.605, "end": 18836.805, "text": "So Council nor administration is beholden to a privately registered restrictive covenant. And so the direction within the LAP is to give deference to the objectives within the plan. The policy already enables what was applied for by the applicant at the development permit stage.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 18838.125, "end": 18850.225, "text": "Okay. Do we have a land use that would allow for what is being asked for in the direct control? Is there like a land use that has that sort of minimum floor?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 18850.865, "end": 18872.745, "text": "So the short answer is no. The only way to achieve a low density residential zone with a minimum density is through a direct control. So this the the requirements for direct control under section 20 are met for the use of a direct control. That has no bearing on administration's uh recommendation after analysis against policy and other", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 18873.385, "end": 18875.465, "text": "Okay. Okay, great. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18877.685, "end": 18878.865, "text": "Okay, anyone else on this?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 18882.105, "end": 18886.965, "text": "I'm gonna go to you, Councillor Atkinson. Did you want to move the recommendation in the report or an alternate?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 18886.965, "end": 18990.985, "text": "I'll move an alternate. Yeah, this is it's it's a problem. We need to this is something we need to uh approach and we need to figure out. We need to create, I think, a a land use district. We have a couple of these areas within the city that uh sit under a restrictive covenant that was placed there by the city at a time before we did zoning. Uh Banff Trail, I live in Banff Trail, I know this restrictive quite well. It was put in place by the city of Calgary on the south side of Banff Trail. And so what the applicant is looking for is to place a this sort of direct control to establish this minimum density. Um and it is within our purview to sort of uh put through um land use changes, and so as we sort of saw, the it's been done quite a bit um within this area, uh direct controls um as a way to sort of modernize and bring the use up. Uh this is literally a A block and a half, actually like basically a block from the the Banff Trail C train station. So kind of towards what I was speaking to earlier in terms of making use of our stations better. I mean, I would I'm not sure that this is all that much better. Uh we're not talking about the 12 stories that is uh allowed within the local area plan, but it is better than the single house that is there, allows more people to live closer to a train station and make better use of that amenity. So I'll move this forward that is um to uh to allow for this direct control to be placed uh on the site.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18992.465, "end": 19024.785, "text": "Thank you. Is there a seconder for that? Seconded by Councillor Kelly. So to be clear, colleagues, uh in our package, the uh recommendation was to refuse and abandon the abandon the bylaw. As an alternate, uh Councillor Atkinson has uh put on the table a uh Essential approval and giving of the three readings. So again, what we're voting on at this moment is or not. Well what we will vote on shortly is to accept the original application. It's not to uh refuse and abandon.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 19025.125, "end": 19027.025, "text": "All right, Councillor uh Kelly, please, on this.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 19027.405, "end": 19092.605, "text": "Yeah, I I was happy to second it. I won't be supporting it, but um the uh this at least gives it a chance, whereas uh uh previously with the with the recommendation it it it didn't have a chance. Uh I will agree with Councillor Atkinson from the standpoint of like this is tough here. Uh if the if the applicant had brought forward something like a you know an MCG or something like that, uh I this would have been a very different conversation. But uh I am not a fan of DCs for all the reasons I've said before, and I recognize why the applicant is coming forward with a DC, but uh I'm not a fan of just plopping down a whole bunch of DCs. I think it's uh to Councillor Atkinson's point, it's it's high time that we actually deal with the actual problem uh rather than just making these pockets of things that uh uh are at the whim of every council for henceforth, uh uh sort of thing. Uh, because right now, this kind of an approach to me doesn't do the community any any service. So, like I said, happy to second it so it has a chance on the floor, but I personally won't be supporting it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 19093.285, "end": 19094.385, "text": "Alright, Councillor Shabot, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19098.225, "end": 19155.085, "text": "Yeah, I I'm not gonna support uh what's before us now. Um I'm gonna support um if well I guess we don't have to make a motion to uh move the uh The alternate recommendation, but I'm going to support the administration's position on this one. That's it's similar to something that I saw in the past, essentially using our land use bylaw to uh make a case uh to Court of King's Bench to get a restrictive covenant removed. So for that reason, and not to mention the fact that it's a mid block eight unit, uh, which I wouldn't have supported as an RCT um type uh. Unit, albeit that kind of gets grandfathered anyways, but um at least at this point, this one way to uh maybe impose some additional restrictions. I don't know. We'll have to see on a go forward basis, but for now, I'm gonna know.", "segments_merged": 25 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 19156.805, "end": 19183.965, "text": "Thank you. Anybody else? All right, um seeing none, I'll I'll insert myself. Uh no, I'm not happy with us being used this way to um Essentially assist with litigation. That's not the uh reason for us to be having a line use bylaw. Um it wasn't demonstrated why we should have a minimum density in that location. And I am warm to Councillor Kelly's argument as well in terms of uh being very open to", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 19184.365, "end": 19189.145, "text": "uh better projects on the site. So uh with that, Councillor Atkinson to to close.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 19190.565, "end": 19263.365, "text": "Yeah, I I absolutely hear you folks in terms of these pieces. I just think that this is something, I mean, it this has been a uh something that councils of the past have been dealing with quite readily. Uh, and unfortunately, we have not developed a zone that actually allows for these sort of the the restrictive covenants to be dealt with outside of this one direct control, as we sort of heard from administration. So it's something that we need to we need to figure out because these were put in place at a point in time where uh there was no train station here, there was no University of Calgary here, there was nothing but a clear field looking out to the mountains from uh just behind the site. And so we have to sort of think about the time and the place, what is what is right for this in 2026. Uh I don't think we have the right tools in place, and so I'm proposing that we sort of use these these the direct control, uh, but I can absolutely understand. I just hope council will uh help in figuring out the path forward on how to do this in a more proper way uh in the future, whether or not this this passes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 19264.105, "end": 19287.285, "text": "All right, uh we're about to vote on this, and it's to give three readings to propose bylaw 36 D 2026. It's not the recommendation in the package. The recommendation in the package was refusal and abandonment, the motion by Councillor Atkinson. Is to uh give the three readings to the proposed bylaw to approve it. All right, uh let's engage the uh e vote, please, madam clerk.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 19303.825, "end": 19305.105, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 19305.725, "end": 19329.025, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion has been defeated 5 9, with only counselors Johnston, Schmidt, Dallywell, Atkinson, and Yule in favor. All right, that concludes uh 7.2.6. Let's move now to 7.2.7. Thanks so much for being with us.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Administration", "start": 19335.005, "end": 19343.705, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. My name is Nancy Sanborn, Senior Planner with Community Planning, and I'll be presenting the remaining six items on the agenda today.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 19344.305, "end": 19549.645, "text": "Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to refuse and abandon proposed bylaw 37D 2026 for the redesignation of 811 28th Street Northwest from residential grade oriented infill RCG district to a direct control district to accommodate a minimum density. Next slide, please. The subject parcel is located in the northwest community of Parkdale. The site is generally situated north of Parkdale Boulevard, south of Foothills Hospital, and one block east of 29th Street Northwest. A school site is located about 100 meters or less than a two minute walk to the west, and neighborhood parks and natural open spaces are located just to the south and north of the subject site. Next slide, please. The corner parcel is approximately 0.06 hectares in size and is currently developed with a single detached dwelling. Directly to the north of the site is the Parkdale United Church and a kindergarten and childcare facility. Next slide, please. Surrounding development is characterized by single-detached and semi-detached dwellings, institutional uses, and open space. The site is currently designated as the RCG district, which allows for a variety of low density housing forms, including row houses and townhouses. The maximum building height is 11 meters and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare. Based on the parcel area, the site currently allows up to four dwelling units. Next slide, please. This application proposes to redesignate the parcel to a direct control district based on the RCG district. The intent of the DC district is to establish a minimum density of three units on the subject parcel and remove the uses of single detached, semi detached, and duplex dwellings. There is a restrictive covenant on the site registered in 1911, which restricts development to a single dwelling on the site. Next slide, please. The South Shaganapi Community's Local Area Plan identifies the urban form of the subject site as the neighborhood local category, which is characterized by a broad range of housing types and forms that consider the context of the local built form. The building scale modifier for the site is limited up to three stories. This modifier includes a range of ground oriented building forms, including single detached, semi detached row houses, townhouses, stacked townhomes, and mixed use buildings. While the policies of the LAP support the desired row house form on the subject site, the urban form and building scale modifier are intended to be inclusive of a broad range of housing types, not exclusive and limiting to only higher density forms. The LAP does not set minimum densities or restrict certain low density residential uses in the neighborhood local typology as the proposed application intends. The desired built form for this application can be achieved under the existing RCG district. Next slide, please. In closing, this application would restrict the type of uses allowed on the subject parcel and is inconsistent with the South Shaganapi Local Area Plan. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that council refuse and abandon the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject parcel. Thank you, Mayor Fargas.", "segments_merged": 12 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 19549.865, "end": 19555.505, "text": "Thank you very much. Let's open up the public hearing on this, starting with the proponent, please. Come on up.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 19556.845, "end": 19826.865, "text": "Thanks. I'm going to make another effort on this. I know the chance is low. Why not? So if I can borrow your slide number seven, please. So if you look at the left side of this local airplane, this lot is defined as Nepal local, but across the lane is Nepal Fec. And then on the corner side of this block is Network Collector with higher, all those are with higher building scales. So this specific recurrent we are talking about is from 1911. I don't know what's the population at that time, like uh Calgary at that time, but definitely not like what we are now. So we are we are kind of close to get to two million, probably in the next few years or something. So, unfortunately, those kind of recurrents get frozen with the title. It's not, it doesn't adapt as like our land use bylaw and also our zooming policy. So we are stuck with a situation that although the look airplan has a general planning policy for the whole area and it envisions where they want the density to be here, there, here, and there, but we are not really researched lot by lot whether each lot has a recovery. So if we don't do that, I would say the the goals of the local airplanes likely will not will not be achieved if we don't do detailed research on how it will affect us. So in the past, uh the direct control is the tool we are given, that is not to Take advantage of the city hall or something. It's just the municipal government act, give the municipality the right to pass land use bylaw, whether this land use bylaw is to upgrade the zoning or set up minimal density. Like I said, I would wish I don't need to go through the direct control, but I go through the exact zoning that has minimal density in place. But unfortunately, right now we still don't, and I don't know the timeline to actually get that. So the last one is a nose and corridor development, and then there's no almost no opposition, but still we don't support that. But for this one, this one also the problem is approved, and then the it was appealed to SDAB. SDAB reviewed all aspects of this project, including the traffic, the density, the um, you know, lock coverage, the all those factors, and did and considered the approval is appropriate. So they upheld the approval from the administration. So now we are in the situation that the demand permit has been approved. SDAB also upheld approval. So this is a shovel ready project. But this shovel ready project. Cannot go ahead because anyone can sew us and then the project will be on hold for, you know, maybe in the core for years and years. What we're proposing here is not really to uh weaponize the city hall, but actually to restore some peace here. If is is considered uh multifamily appropriate for corner lot, then the direct control tells the residents here that is appropriate. So there's no additional fight in the court system. So I would say uh this is not to um you know weaponize the city hall, but to restore peace so people don't need to fight and then go into a lengthy, costly legal fight. And then uh for the builders, they might be have the pocket to spend on this project, but residents also need to spend money to fight this. Uh so um anyway, that's uh my um uh push for this project. I hope counselors can see the merits of the project and uh give us some directions for how we should do our future project. Um maybe uh if you suggest like we don't touch any law that has rich covenant, even though our planning policy says up to our story, up to six stories, still don't touch it if the rich government says single house only, and this 1911 rich covenant says single house only. So if you look at that, this whole area, if we just go by that standard, then no, then no one can actually get anything uh anything beyond that down. With that, I conclude. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 27 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 19829.005, "end": 19833.225, "text": "Thank you so much. Anyone uh Councillor Kelly for the applicant?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 19833.225, "end": 19852.525, "text": "Yeah, just a question here. So 1911. I appreciate it's a very beautiful looking uh restrictive covenant, I have to say. Uh do you know who put this restrictive covenant on on the property? Like on the last one, correct me if I'm wrong, I think it was the city of Calgary that did it. But this one, um you can't tell by looking at it. Do you do you know who placed this one on it?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 19852.525, "end": 19878.005, "text": "So the chair to Councillor Kelly. So by looking at the Jewish Covenant, it seems like the owner who previously owned a big chunk of land within C area, they put it in when they subdivide a lot and sell the lot to the future homeowners here. And then I guess at that time, their vision is to have a single house for the land they sold.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 19878.525, "end": 19903.465, "text": "Yep, I I appreciate it. Um unlike what the mayor was saying earlier, I I don't feel that anyone's weaponizing this against us, but like we know now what's what's coming with these, and I don't think that we have eight votes around council to uh uh to to to do this. So I I applaud you for bringing it forward, but um here we go again, I I I suppose. Um thank you for bringing it forward and uh taking a big swing.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 19904.685, "end": 19905.045, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 19905.885, "end": 19915.025, "text": "Alright, anyone else? Seeing none. Anyone else like to speak uh as part of the public hearing? Come on down.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 19915.025, "end": 19915.825, "text": "Hi Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 19917.425, "end": 19922.185, "text": "Uh we will go first to the individuals in the chamber and then we'll go to the line.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 19930.265, "end": 19936.565, "text": "And I believe we have Gwen and Sandy who are on the line remotely, and we're gonna hear first from uh Margaret Fong.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19938.245, "end": 20012.165, "text": "Um, this is fairly informal. I'm just here. Uh it I live maybe six houses away from this development, and I'm here to support my neighbors. There were 36 pages in the uh public submission. Also, I'd like to support the City Planning Commission decision, the Parkdale Community Association, and the Parkdale United Church, which is directly across the alleyway from this development, and all of them have said. Direct control zoning is intended for unique or complex developments, not for overriding restrictive covenants. It's an overwhelming neighborhood support that you refuse this application. Really don't know what to say, other than I thought my neighbors put through very well documented document. documentation. Um I will say to Councillor Atkinson that when I made my appeal in front of the", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 20012.165, "end": 20012.365, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20012.365, "end": 20012.625, "text": "blanket", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 20012.625, "end": 20027.085, "text": "I I'm gonna jump in it. We're just asking presenters not to provide commentary directly to a member council like that. Uh our procedure bylaw calls for comments direct to generally to the chair. We're trying to not make things personal like we can speak to", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20027.385, "end": 20027.605, "text": "of", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 20027.605, "end": 20028.525, "text": "the issue and the merits.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20028.525, "end": 20079.365, "text": "the rather than call out any individual person. Thank you very much, Mayor Farkas. So this is a a perfect example of what blanket rezoning would have accompl it ha would has accomplished is that we are taking a Property that has been used for rentals and a low-cost rentals, and we're trying to replace it with a development that appeals to higher people with higher incomes. But really, that's all I have to say. I really don't have a lot to add other than currently there's enough renters there that they have five bins behind the unit. They're all blocking the garage. I I can't imagine with four units where they're going to put all the bins. Thank you. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20080.505, "end": 20084.725, "text": "Thank you. Uh Ms. Fung, please uh stay there. I believe I have a question from Councillor Chabaufrey.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20087.785, "end": 20098.485, "text": "Thanks, Ms. Fong. You said you're opposed to the application. The recommendation that's before us um from Planning Commission is is uh to refuse and abandon.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 20098.625, "end": 20101.405, "text": "Oh so so I agree with that. Sorry.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20101.465, "end": 20103.025, "text": "Just just wanted to be clear.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 20103.085, "end": 20103.565, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20103.605, "end": 20105.105, "text": "Okay, thanks. That's all the questions I have.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 20105.105, "end": 20105.385, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20108.945, "end": 20113.205, "text": "All right, uh we'll now move through the registered speakers. Do we have Gwen Geese with us?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20115.465, "end": 20116.505, "text": "Yes, I'm on the line.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 20116.785, "end": 20118.165, "text": "Thanks. Uh please go ahead, Gwen.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20119.345, "end": 20410.505, "text": "Okay. Margaret actually mentioned a couple of things that I'll mention, and the proponent actually said some things that tie into what I'm saying, so I apologize if there's a bit of repeat. Good day, Mayor Farkas, members of council. Thank you for your time today. My name is Gwen Ghiz. I live at 2908 7th Avenue Northwest, next door to the subject property, which is either 2904 7th Avenue or 811 28th Street Northwest, whichever one you're using. I am representing myself and my husband. My question to you is why is this land use application being made? The zoning at the time the development permit application was made allowed for the proposed development, therefore there was no need to apply for a land use change. In my opinion, the reason for the land use application is due to the restrictive covenant on the subject property and on ours, which does not allow for the proposed development. I know RCs are not within your purview, but bear with me. I believe that the applicant has actually made the RC relevant to the matter before us. The applicant stated that the RC poses an unusual constraint on the proposed development. While I agree that the RC is a constraint, it is not unusual. There are many in existence in the community and throughout the city, as you well know. The RC is intended to maintain a certain character within a community. And while not all homes on the avenue where the development is proposed. Pardon me, are single family. Densification has occurred at a measured pace to bare growth and with similar housing forms. The proposed development is out of context to the neighboring properties and does not maintain the existing character. Sorry, I apparently have a frog in my throat. Following the development permit application comment period, many neighbors, as Margaret Fong mentioned, voiced their opposition to the project, ourselves included. In addition, we hired a lawyer who issued a demand letter to the property owner and developer, basically, to uphold the RC. I contend that the applicant applied for a land use change as security in the event that the development permit was denied, in other words, to circumvent the RC on title. As stated in the submission from the Parkdale United Church, the intended purpose of the DC land use district is to accommodate developments with unique characteristics, innovative ideas, or unusual site constraints, hence the applicants use this term. LOC 2025-0183 does not qualify for this consideration. There's nothing unique or innovative about the proposed development as it's intended to be a standard row house, which is a legal discretionary use under the current land use district for the site. On the last page of the development permit issued to the applicant, the following is stated. This permit does not relieve the owner or the owner's authorized agent from full compliance with the requirements of any federal, provincial, or other municipal legislation or the terms and conditions of any easement, covenant, building scheme, or agreement affecting the building or land. Also, on page 21 of the SDAB report that was made available to us prior to the Development Permit Appeal Merit Hearing held in March 2026, it states the following comments are provided as a courtesy to the applicant and registered property owner. The comments represent some but not all of the requirements contained in the land use bylaw that must be complied with as part of this approval. There are many types of caveats and other agreements that can be registered on the title of the property that can restrict the ability to develop. The city has not reviewed or considered all instruments registered on the title of this property. Property owners must evaluate whether this development is in compliance with any documents registered on title. This brings me back to the original question why is this land use change application being made? Why are we here? Clearly, the applicant knows there's an RC on title and that their proposal does not comply with the RC. If the applicant had conducted the appropriate due diligence and followed the appropriate process, the first step would have been to address the RC on title rather than misusing the city's jurisdiction. One of the speakers at the recent blanket rezoning hearing from Trico Homes stated that he advises developers to check the title first, if there's a restrictive covenant, to steer clear. Maybe not his exact words, but that seemed to be the gist of his advice. Finally, and also from the United Church submission, DC zoning should not be used as a weapon by developers against the property rights of individual homeowners. This is an abuse of the city's land use bylaw which states DC zoning is intended for unique or complex developments, not for overriding restrictive covenants. The land use application was denied by the city as well as the Planning Commission, and I urge you to follow suit. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 22 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20411.385, "end": 20415.545, "text": "Thank you so much. I have a question from Councillor Kelly for you, Ms. Keys.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 20417.405, "end": 20428.985, "text": "Uh if I may chair, just because this presenter was all about the restrictive covenant to ask a restrictive covenant question. I mean she she prefaced that at the beg at the beginning of her uh her remarks that she knows.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 20430.645, "end": 20432.505, "text": "I'm gonna allow one question, Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 20432.365, "end": 20463.105, "text": "Well, one question. Okay. Um, Miss Geese, uh, if I pronounce your name correctly, I'm just curious. From the restrictive covenant, there's a line uh that I just wanted to get your sort of thoughts on that says uh that he will not erect or use or cause or suffer or permit to be erected on the said land any dwelling house that shall cost less than eight hundred dollars. I'm just wondering what your response is or your thought is on that particular uh phrase as it relates to restrictive covenants.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20464.665, "end": 20479.005, "text": "I I think you're trying to trick me into uh uh stating the relevance of that in today's day and age and to make an analogy as to the relevance of the restrictive covenant.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20480.825, "end": 20484.465, "text": "Thank you so much, uh Councillor Kelly, for that. I'll go to Councillor Atkinson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 20486.185, "end": 20532.525, "text": "Hey Ms. Keys. Um you you sorry you mentioned your next door to the the property? Yeah. Yeah. So sorry, and this this is, I mean, this I I'm in I'm in Banff Trail, I know the Banff Trail Restrictive Covenant um better than I know this one here. Um but uh it's quite it is quite different than the one that I've seen. Um I'm wondering, are you under the same restrictive covenant? So your yeah, your property um just yeah, the the one that I in Banff Trail gives like a listing of all the addresses, like who you would have to go through, whereas I don't see that in the restrictive covenant uh for this property here. Um but yeah, you are under the same restrictive covenant on your property.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20533.565, "end": 20534.385, "text": "We are, yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 20534.445, "end": 20536.865, "text": "Okay. Okay, great. Thank you very much.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20537.905, "end": 20538.485, "text": "You're welcome.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20539.645, "end": 20542.585, "text": "Thank you. I'll go now to Sandy Claremont, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 20544.585, "end": 20854.525, "text": "Hello. Hello, Mayor Farkas, members of Council and Administration, thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Sandy Claremont. I'm a Parkdale resident. I live at, I reside at 2907 7th Avenue Northwest. And I'm here today to oppose the request to approve the land use amendment LOC 2025 0183 from RCG2 Direct Control. For the property now known as 811 28th Street Northwest, my reasons are as follows. One, there has been no meaningful engagement by the owners or their agents. The City of Calgary received 38 responses in opposition to this DC application and zero support in favor of it. Inconsistent, hand delivered, random notices asking for feedback is not meaningful engagement. Some neighbors received the notice, some did not, and one way communication is not engagement. The four adjacent neighbors, including myself, have lived in our homes for over 30 years. The owners of this property have owned it for 10 years. Not once have they ever engaged the community or neighbors in any manner whatsoever on their current and future plans for this property. Two, not one row house development in the community has required a DC rezoning. Examples are 2916 7th Avenue Northwest, which is two properties away, 25th Street and 6th Avenue Northwest, 32nd Street and 7th Avenue Northwest, 32nd Street and 5th Avenue Northwest, 500 Block of 32nd Street Northwest. Referencing land use map 19C, the only lot that has a DC land use designation is one that meets the bylaw requirements. That example is the Henry Development at 29th Street and Parkdale Boulevard Northwest. 3. This DC application is contradicting the city land use bylaw 1P 2007, which states direct control districts must only be used for the purpose of providing for developments that, due to their unique characteristics, innovative ideas, or unusual site constraints, require specific regulation. Unavailable in other land use districts. DCs must not be used in substitution of any other land use district in this bylaw that could be used to achieve the same results, either with or without relaxations of this bylaw, to regulate matters that are regulated by subdivision or development permit approval and conditions. Both the Parkdale Community Association and the Parkdale United Church wrote detailed letters to the file manager regarding their concerns. From the Parkdale United Church submission, the intended purpose of the Direct Control Land Use District is to accommodate developments with unique characteristics innovative ideas or unusual site constraints. LOC 20250183 does not qualify for this consideration. There is nothing unique or innovative about this proposed development as it is intended to be a standard row house, which is a legal discretionary use under the current land use district for the site. DC zoning should not be used as a weapon by developers against the property rights of individual homeowners. This is an abuse of the city's land use bylaw, and which states DC zoning is intended for unique but complex developments, not for overriding restrictive covenants. From the Parkdale Community Association submission. There is no legitimate planning reason to zone this property DC. It is being proposed only to facilitate the removal of a restrictive covenant against the wishes of the signatories to the covenant and sets a dangerous precedent whereby no community with RC protections in place can feel secure as they would be all vulnerable to this practice. DC zoning should not be used as a weapon against private property rights. This is an abuse of the city's land use bylaw, which states DC zoning is intended for unique. Or complex developments, not for overriding restrictive covenants. Finally, as noted in the Calgary Planning Commission decision, the City Planning and Development Group does not support this DC application, and the CPC does not support its DC application, and Remetton Council refused and abandoned it. And for these reasons, I too request counsel refuse the proposed application for the redesignation of 811-28th Street Northwest from RCG to Direct Control District. Thank you kindly.", "segments_merged": 46 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 20856.725, "end": 20871.385, "text": "Thank you so much for that. Any seeing no questions for the remaining speaker? Anyone else uh on the line or in the chamber who would like to speak as part of the public hearing? Going once, going twice.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20873.125, "end": 20877.005, "text": "All right. We shall close the public hearing. Can I go over to you, Councillor Atkinson?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 20879.245, "end": 21027.665, "text": "Yes, so I'm going to propose something similar to what we had last time. I feel like we are in deja vu. I think this is just, it's showing an issue that we're we're going to run into again and again and again within established communities. Restrictive covenants have been put on title by the city. In this case, in 1911, for a house to be built, $800 or more, which is what's what's been put forward. I'm pretty sure it's gonna satisfy sort of that piece of it. I also I I I also recognize you know the the concerns of community around sort of these restrictive covenants, but they do not have an age out. They're they are tied to title for forever in Alberta. There are other jurisdictions where restrictive covenants and their um have a have uh a time point of time where they sort of age out. And so I'll be putting forward this motion. Um it's shading a parking lot to the north of it for the for the church there. It's got access to a park space nearby, a school site. Um it's received uh a development permit for the construction of what's going on there. The the LAP um uh has guidance in terms of this is a spot in terms of where we are supposed to uh see this kind of development. So it fits within all of our planning purview. It's gone through an SDAB um challenge and um and has was six you know successful in sort of coming out the other side. So um I I I just I The idea that uh um the document from from nineteen eleven and what the site was at that point in time um When the local area plan, the policy, the municipal development plan, and what we need to be making decisions on in 2026 is problematic. So yeah, I I recognize this is a bit of deja vu, but uh but I think this is just showing how much of a of a an ongoing concern this is within established neighborhoods and something that we as council need to tackle. Uh and with that, I'll I'll open.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21029.105, "end": 21042.605, "text": "All right. Second by Councillor Dalloway. Any further debate on this? And to be clear, this is moving the approval in the three readings. It's not the recommendation in the package. All right, over to you to close, Councillor.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21043.285, "end": 21044.085, "text": "Yeah, closed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21045.025, "end": 21053.285, "text": "All right, uh, we're gonna engage the e vote on this alternative recommendation. It's to give the three readings to the proposed bylaw. Uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 21074.825, "end": 21076.305, "text": "Councillor Shabot, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 21079.205, "end": 21079.465, "text": "No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 21080.605, "end": 21082.005, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21082.785, "end": 21083.045, "text": "No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 21084.565, "end": 21085.445, "text": "All the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21086.225, "end": 21109.385, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion has been defeated. Four to ten, with only Councillor Schmidt, Dallywell, Atkinson, and Yule in favor. All right, let's move now to item 7.2.8, policy amendment in Ogden Ward 9.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Administration", "start": 21113.065, "end": 21120.845, "text": "Thank you. The next item is a proposed policy amendment application to support low density residential development. Next slide, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 21121.085, "end": 21258.885, "text": "The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 11P 2026 for the amendments to the Milligan Ogden area redevelopment plan. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the southeast community of Ogden, north of Glenmore Trail and west of Ogden Road. The site is a mid block parcel located on 20A Street Southeast, just north of 76th Avenue Southeast. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 0.055 hectares in size and is currently developed with a single detached dwelling and rear detached garage. An existing bus stop is located directly adjacent to the site across 28th Street as well as along 76th Avenue. Next slide, please. Surrounding uses consists predominantly of single detached and semi-detached dwellings. A school site is located south of 76th Avenue, and a neighborhood commercial node containing a grocery store is located approximately 300 meters or a five-minute walk west of the subject site. The site is currently designated as the RCG district, which allows for a variety of low density housing forms, including row houses and townhouses. Maximum building height is 11 meters and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare. Based on the parcel area, this site currently allows up to four dwelling units. Next slide, please. This application proposes to amend the Milligan-Ogden Area Redevelopment Plan, changing the land use category of the subject site from low density conservation to low or medium density multi-dwelling residential. The low density conservation policy supports residential development in the form of single and two-unit dwellings, while the low or medium density multi-dwelling policy would allow the uses under the existing RCG district, including row houses and townhouses. A text amendment is proposed to further clarify that 75 units per hectare is appropriate on the subject site in alignment with the RCG district maximum allowable density. Based on the size of the sub sorry, I already said that. Next slide, please. In closing, this application provides for alternative housing forms in a developed area. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed policy amendment. Thank you, Mayor Fargus.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21259.105, "end": 21277.365, "text": "Yeah, thank you so much. Uh we will now open up the public hearing. Let's begin with the proponent. And don't worry, I uh I wrote I was reading obviously the wrong bylaw earlier. It was very embarrassing. It's good. It's okay. We're gonna manage. We're gonna survive this public hearing. Uh please proceed, sir.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 21277.705, "end": 21462.365, "text": "Yeah, thanks the mayor. Still me. Hope I have some like on this. So uh this one is the second lot within the block. Um last two weeks ago, the review of the Black Resoning. I see motions come out to define the first three lot as cotton lot. Um so uh this lot is the second lot within the block, close to the public transit, 76th Avenue Collector Road, uh public school, and uh green spaces. The project was started in May of 2025 and undergo extensive public engagement. The current uh Milgin Olding area radio and plant only are singles or semis on this lot. The proposal is for minor policy amendments so fourplex can be built here. Next slide, please. If you look at this map, this shows uh this side is really close to uh quite a few public transit. The closest public transit is just cross road on the other side. There are also public transit uh by the lane or the block, and then there's also another bus uh on the road of 76th Avenue. I have to say 76th Avenue is uh uh a main collector road within the community. Uh also you can see the school green space playground here, and also close to other uh commercial uh establishments in the area. Next slide, please. So we uh contacted the community association on December 3rd and the WorldCount Office. The Community Association emphasized the importance of providing residents with clear information about the proposed development. In response, we sent postcards door to door to residents within 100 meters and had an informal conversation with residents at home. A project website was also established. Next slide, please. So on our website, we show the uh uh QR code that can direct people to the website. Next slide, please. And then the website contains information about basic information about the project with links for the Durant Permit join and also the ROP for the project. Next slide, please. So we received one written submission and three world comments were received. The website shows with it 12 direct sections and 15 page views. The comments we received are mostly in regard to density and building scale, parking, local traffic, and the concerns with regard to infrastructure capacity. Those concerns heard are being dealt with by designers through the DP process. Next slide, please. So the recent appeal of Bank Resonia and bylaw amendment, our RCG, still allows modular reduction of the first three laws. This is the second law on the block. Given the engagement effort and side allocation, we sincerely hope counselors can support this application. With that, I conclude. The owners is also present. They may want to make their own presentations. With that, I conclude. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21462.865, "end": 21479.465, "text": "Thank you. Colleagues may have general consent to conclude this item before we take our afternoon break. Uh seeing none opposed, uh we will carry on. Any questions for the applicant? Seeing none. Uh anyone else uh wishing to speak to this item?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21481.725, "end": 21487.485, "text": "Seeing none, we will close the uh public hearing. Uh councillor Clark, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21489.245, "end": 21582.645, "text": "Yeah, thank you very much. Um, Mr. Wang, a pleasure to see you. I know that we're not I'm not speaking to you directly, but just you you know. Um you know, we are on the other side of blanket rezoning. This is really interesting. And um if you I would just like to draw my colleagues' attention to a couple of notes here. Um I represent 17 neighborhoods. Ogden is overly represented in a lot of these applications. Almost well over 90% of them tend to come from Ogden specifically. I'll also have um hope that you'll remember we did not see a lot of individuals come from these communities to speak to the broader issue of blanket rezoning. They tend to come to my office andor to these hearings to speak directly to their concerns for their own neighborhood and the impacts of these kinds of developments. So that's where my sensitivity tends to come from on these greater great efforts have been made by the uh applicant uh over the course of my six months here uh to deliver better uh outcomes and relationships with community. But as it stands, you know, the hesitation around these sort of inside house, uh inside block sort of developments, there's still some unresolved concerns there, I think, for community. Um there's been over a hundred people who've joined the Carburn uh LAP process who are very interested, most of them from this area to deal with the LAP. So uh I suppose. vote as you see fit. I'm not sure that I will be supporting this application, but pardon me, that's my open. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21587.105, "end": 21588.325, "text": "All right, Councillor McClane, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21589.365, "end": 21595.965, "text": "Yeah, maybe ask the administration, this feels very familiar. Like did we did this come before us f before in the past?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 21599.145, "end": 21606.925, "text": "Through the chair to Council McLean, nope, this is a different application. There has been many of these types of applications, but this is a new one.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21607.185, "end": 21612.145, "text": "Yeah, the one picture of the back how they look very familiar. Maybe it was another time. That's anyways, thanks.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21613.445, "end": 21614.765, "text": "Thanks, Councillor Chabot, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21617.825, "end": 21666.065, "text": "Yeah, no, I've uh I've actually spoken against other applications in this area in the past uh for a number of reasons. One obviously is this is not even supported by by previous policy insofar as where we're trying to focus our RCG uses, which is on corner lots. This is not a corner lot, it's next to close, not not quite there. Um where where I have an issue is that there's uh having to make an amendment to the local area plan to me is is uh Is the the wrong wrong way to deal with these kind of applications. First things first, amend the policy, make sure the policy um is something that's supported by the community, and then come forward with land use applications. Once you've got the policy, this is opposite of that. This is cart in front of the horse. I can't support this.", "segments_merged": 13 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21668.025, "end": 21673.825, "text": "All right, uh we are out of uh speakers here. Uh Councillor Clark, did you want to move it to put it on the table?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21675.445, "end": 21688.665, "text": "All right, uh moved by Councillor Clark. Uh Shabot, are you willing to second it? No. Is there a seconder? Seconded by Councillor Atkinson. Any uh debate on this?", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21693.425, "end": 21695.865, "text": "Seeing none, did you want to close on that, uh, Councillor Clerk?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21695.945, "end": 21696.485, "text": "Closed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21696.485, "end": 21699.465, "text": "All right. Um Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote, please, on this.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 21724.145, "end": 21732.045, "text": "Councillor Johnston, your vote, please. Absent. Councillor Dollywall, your vote, please. Absent. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21732.465, "end": 21732.685, "text": "No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 21735.525, "end": 21736.325, "text": "All the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21737.085, "end": 21754.445, "text": "Thank you. Please uh display the result. On that, the motion has been defeated. Two to ten, with only Councillor Schmidt and Atkinson in favor. Uh we will be back at 3 50.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 23873.385, "end": 23876.265, "text": "Welcome back to Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the report.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 23877.085, "end": 23880.905, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Councillor Atkinson. Councillor Shabot.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 23881.465, "end": 23881.825, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 23882.105, "end": 23883.025, "text": "Councillor Clark.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor H. Clark", "start": 23883.165, "end": 23883.285, "text": "Right.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 23883.205, "end": 23883.465, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 23883.465, "end": 23889.105, "text": "Councillor Dolly Wall, Councillor Jameson, Councillor Johnston,", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 23889.105, "end": 23889.325, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 23889.485, "end": 23890.345, "text": "Councillor Kelly,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 23890.405, "end": 23890.785, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 23890.825, "end": 23903.625, "text": "Councillor McLean, Councillor Pantas Noted, thank you. Councillor Pantazopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell,", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 23903.965, "end": 23904.165, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 23904.265, "end": 23905.345, "text": "and Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 23905.825, "end": 23906.245, "text": "I'm here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 23906.305, "end": 23906.685, "text": "Thank you, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 23910.565, "end": 23917.605, "text": "Alright, I believe that we've just finished up 7.2.8 and we're on 7.2.9. Let's roll.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 23918.405, "end": 23919.265, "text": "Please go ahead, Miss Amber.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Administration", "start": 23919.685, "end": 23928.485, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Fergus. The next item is a proposed policy amendment application to support low density residential development. Next slide, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 23929.125, "end": 24058.025, "text": "The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 12p 2026 for the amendments to the Milligan Ogden Area Redevelopment Plan. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the southeast community of Ogden, north of Glenmore Trail, and west of Ogden Road. The site is a corner parcel located on 76th Avenue Southeast, which is the main east west collector road through the community. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 0.06 hectares in size and is currently developed with a single detached dwelling and rear detached garage. The existing bus stop is located directly adjacent to the site on 76th Avenue. Next slide, please. Surrounding uses consist predominantly of single-detached and semi-detached dwellings. A school site is located approximately 200 meters or a three-minute walk to the west, and a neighborhood commercial node containing a grocery store is located approximately 500 meters or an eight minute walk west of the subject site. The site is currently designated as the RCG district, which allows for a variety of low density housing forms including row houses and townhouses. The maximum building height is 11 meters and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare. Based on the parcel area, this currently allows up to four dwelling units. Next slide, please. This application proposes to amend the Milligan-Oden era redevelopment plan, changing the land use category of the subject site from low density conservation to low or medium density multi-dwelling residential. The low density conservation policy supports residential development in the form of single and two unit dwellings, while the low or medium density multi dwelling policy would allow the uses under the existing RCG district, including row houses and townhouses. The text amendment is proposed to further clarify that 75 units per hectare is appropriate on the subject site in alignment with the RCG maximum allowable density. Next slide, please. In closing, this application provides for alternative housing forms in a developed area. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed policy amendment. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24059.705, "end": 24063.945, "text": "Thank you. Let's uh please open up the public hearing and uh we'll call up the proponent.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 24068.345, "end": 24104.365, "text": "My last one. So this one is close to the last one, except this one is a column lot. It also has a bus stop right beside the site. So I'll leave it to the council to decide what they want to do during the period when the local airplane is being developed. I do feel uh even during this period uh we still should allow uh certain lots that have strong merits to continue to be developered, such as this lot, which is a corner lot, and right beside uh public transit. So That's it. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24105.905, "end": 24113.645, "text": "Thank you for being here with us. Anyone else uh wish to speak to this?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24117.765, "end": 24121.325, "text": "Hearing none, we will close the public hearing. Can I go to you, Councillor Clark?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 24123.745, "end": 24127.145, "text": "Yeah, happy to move it. Um happy to leave my remarks for close.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24127.905, "end": 24134.125, "text": "All right, do we have a seconder? Second by uh Councillor Atkinson. Okay. Any further debate on this?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24137.505, "end": 24138.845, "text": "All right, Councillor Atkinson, please go ahead.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24139.425, "end": 24179.825, "text": "Yeah, uh based on this one, um, yeah, it being on a corner lot on a fairly major road, um, I I think that this sort of meets with the um the intention of RCG um uh within sort of the MDP. I recognize that we don't have an LAP in this area. We it's something that's that's being worked on, but we can't sort of stall things out just sort of based on not having those pieces in place. And and really when you're talking about being on such a sort of major throughfair in the community and being a corner lot, it seems like it meets the uh the Checks the boxes, I'll say, on uh on this type of development.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24180.765, "end": 24181.765, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Kelly?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24183.965, "end": 24209.085, "text": "A quick question for admin on this first. The zoning stays is RC RCG, correct? So I saw the nod, but the people online can't hear it. Thank you. And uh then the second question is just uh um the LAP is this one this is one of our ones that's currently in progress or just started. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24210.405, "end": 24224.065, "text": "Yes, um, the Carburn Communities Local Area Plan has been initiated. The first phase launched in March, but the anticipated final plan to council isn't until fall of 2028.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24224.225, "end": 24237.965, "text": "Thank you. Uh yeah, I'll echo everything that Councillor Atkinson said. It's a corner lot. This is exactly the kind of place that we should be doing. Corner uh nodes and corridors we were focused on earlier. Corner lots now uh in front of us. So I think I'm happy to support this.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24239.345, "end": 24240.545, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Shabot, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24243.465, "end": 24268.885, "text": "Yeah, I see what I said last time cart in front of the horse. We don't have an ASP, there's an LAPM process. Um To me this is something that um should be done uh the L E P or the A S P A A R P L A P whatever you want to call it area structure plan, area redevelopment plan, or local area plan should be done before the land use amendment, which is why I can't support this.", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24272.125, "end": 24274.545, "text": "Thank you. Back to Councillor Clark to close, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 24275.125, "end": 24309.485, "text": "Yeah, thank you. Um I've I'm going to echo the uh The thoughts there of Councillor Atkinson. I mean, fundamentally that's how I felt about this coming into this application. In this case, it is a corner lot, uh, onto a main corridor with bus bus service. Also spoken with the community association and touch base with my team. Uh no real negative comments there, uh sort of supported uh as it would be by the uh community association there. So happy to support and and certainly folks uh vote as you will, but yes, please I'll support it. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24311.125, "end": 24315.285, "text": "Thank you for that. Madam Clerk, let's please engage the uh e vote on the recommendations.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24339.405, "end": 24340.825, "text": "Councillor Ewell, your vote please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 24341.185, "end": 24341.505, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24342.865, "end": 24344.945, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Jamison, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 24345.385, "end": 24345.845, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24346.225, "end": 24347.945, "text": "You Councillor Clark, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor H. Clark", "start": 24347.945, "end": 24348.305, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24348.705, "end": 24350.705, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Chabot, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 24352.565, "end": 24353.065, "text": "Negative", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24354.845, "end": 24356.345, "text": "Councillor McLean, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 24357.285, "end": 24357.725, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24357.865, "end": 24360.625, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24361.325, "end": 24361.645, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24363.045, "end": 24363.805, "text": "All the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24364.505, "end": 24423.785, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion is carried 11 to 1 with Councillor Shabot opposed. I'm gonna move now to the readings of bylaw 12p 2026. First reading of bylaw 12p 2026. Anyone opposed? Council Shabot is opposed and that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 12p 2026. Anyone opposed? Councillor Shabot is opposed and that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 12p 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 12p 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, or rather, oops, third reading of bylaw 12p 2026, Councillor Shibot is opposed, and that is carried. I should note uh as I began to read the first readings, uh Councillor Wyness was present uh for those votes and uh participated.", "segments_merged": 14 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24424.205, "end": 24426.925, "text": "She's not eligible, Mayor Farkas, because she missed the public.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24426.925, "end": 24433.425, "text": "Okay. Alrighty. We will move now to 7.2.10. Okay.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Administration", "start": 24436.165, "end": 24461.425, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item is a proposed land use amendment to support industrial commercial development. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 45D 2026 for the redesignation of 7048 and 7052 Ferrell Road Southeast from Industrial General IG District to Industrial Commercial IC District. Next slide, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24463.045, "end": 24617.625, "text": "The subject site is located in the southeast community of Fairview, south of Glenmore Trail and west of Blackfoot Trail, and generally situated between the Chinook Mall Commercial Area and Deerfoot Meadows. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 0.5 hectares in size and is currently undeveloped, but does contain a general works and storage yard. Next slide, please. Surrounding development is characterized mainly by commercial and light industrial businesses under the IG and the IC district. A residential area with mainly single detached houses is located roughly 100 meters to the south of this subject site. Next slide, please. The proposed industrial commercial IC district is intended to allow for light industrial uses and a variety of small-scale commercial uses. The maximum floor area ratio is one, which is approximately 5,400 square meters for this site, and the maximum building height is 12 meters. The existing industrial general IG district is intended to allow a wide variety of light and medium general industrial uses and a limited number of support commercial uses. The proposed IC district would allow more flexibility to support a diverse range of commercial uses in addition to light industrial uses. Next slide, please. The MDP identifies the site as being in the standard industrial area, which encourages a mix of industrial uses at varying intensities and offers flexibility to the changing nature of industrial activities. This topology also notes that uses that support the industrial function of the area and cater to day to day needs of area businesses and their employees may be supported. The proposed IC district is consistent with this policy direction. Next page, please. In the Heritage Community's Local Area Plan, the site is identified as the Industrial General Urban Form category and is included under the Fairview Industrial Special Policy Area. The LAP envisions this area evolving into a well connected light industrial area that integrates a limited range of complementary non industrial uses that serve this employment area as well as the community of Fairview. Next slide, please. In closing, this application provides for increased flexibility for additional uses within an industrial area and aligns with policy direction. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed policy amendment. Sorry, the proposed land use amendment. Thank you, Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24618.565, "end": 24627.765, "text": "Thank you so much for that. Uh we will open up the public hearing. Do we have the proponent with us for this? Loretta, is that you on the line?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 24627.765, "end": 24630.825, "text": "Hear me? Yeah, can you can you hear me all right?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24630.945, "end": 24631.725, "text": "Yeah, please go ahead.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 24633.065, "end": 24701.125, "text": "Okay. Um, my name is Dwayne Smythe. I'm a partner at Shape Architecture. Thanks for allowing us to attend virtually. Um, I I just have a couple of comments to probably to add um to this um slight rezoning shift. Um obviously, um, as mentioned, this is a subtle shift from the IG industrial general district to the industrial commercial district. And um, you know, upon our reviewing uh city policy and the MDP, um Calgary 8 plan, we we recognize that this industrial action plan aligns closely with this shift. We feel that it supports small business growth and job creation while adding flexibility and removing limits on office and commercial uses, which is really important in this area. We also recognize that the appropriate transition sites are critical in these types of areas that bridge the residential areas and the major corridors that we're adjacent to. And really feel strongly that the local amenities that could go into a space like this through this shift will really support complete community goals. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24702.865, "end": 24712.525, "text": "Thank you so much. Uh any questions for the applicant? Seeing none, uh, thank you so much uh for being with us. Uh Madam Clerk.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24713.205, "end": 24718.665, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Apologies for the interruption. If we could just confirm the name of the last speaker, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24721.585, "end": 24722.305, "text": "Thanks.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24723.405, "end": 24724.825, "text": "Dwayne, okay, thank you so much.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24725.185, "end": 24741.865, "text": "Thank you so much, Juan. All right, uh, we will continue with the public hearing. Is there anyone else uh in person or on the line who'd like to speak to this? Okay, hearing none, we will close the public hearing on that.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24747.525, "end": 24748.645, "text": "Councillor Ward, can I go to you?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 24749.265, "end": 24750.905, "text": "Yep. We'll open it up.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24751.965, "end": 24758.065, "text": "Moved by Councillor Ward, seconded by uh Councillor Schmidt. Any further debate or questions?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24760.625, "end": 24762.005, "text": "All right, over to you to close, Councillor Ward.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 24762.745, "end": 24763.205, "text": "Closed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24764.005, "end": 24766.625, "text": "All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's uh engage the e vote, please, on that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24799.645, "end": 24801.205, "text": "Councillor Jamison, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 24801.785, "end": 24802.165, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24802.405, "end": 24804.065, "text": "Councillor Clark, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor H. Clark", "start": 24804.605, "end": 24804.985, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24806.085, "end": 24807.665, "text": "Councillor Dollywall, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 24808.325, "end": 24808.745, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24809.145, "end": 24812.585, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Chabot, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 24815.045, "end": 24815.405, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24815.685, "end": 24817.985, "text": "Thank you. Councillor McLean, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 24820.105, "end": 24820.445, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24820.725, "end": 24822.965, "text": "Thank you. And Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24823.365, "end": 24823.665, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24824.065, "end": 24825.425, "text": "Yep. All the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24825.725, "end": 24867.885, "text": "All right, please display the results. And that motion is carried 14 to 0. We'll now move to the readings of the bylaw. First reading of bylaw 45 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 45 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 45 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 45 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. All right, we will move to 7.2.11, policy and line use amendment in section 23, Word 12.", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "Administration", "start": 24869.585, "end": 24875.245, "text": "Thank you. The next item is a proposed land use amendment to support a materials recycling facility.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24875.445, "end": 25071.765, "text": "Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to propose bylaw 10P 2026 for the amendment to the Southeast Industrial Area Structure Plan and give three readings to propose bylaw 38D 2026 for the redesignation of 6020 94th Avenue Southeast from direct control district to a direct control district to accommodate a materials recycling facility. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the southeast industrial area of the city within section 23, which is generally situated south of Glenmore Trail, west of Stony Trail, and north of the Western Irrigation District Canal. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 7.4 hectares in size and has been operated by Calgary Aggregate Recycling as an asphalt aggregate and concrete plant for the past 20 years and recent expansion of a soil reuse facility. Next slide, please. Surrounding lands are designated Industrial General IG District and are developed primarily with industrial developments including warehouses, manufacturing, and vehicle and outdoor storage. The existing direct control district on the subject site is based on the in general the Industrial General IG district and is intended for light and medium industrial uses. The existing DC district includes the additional use of asphalt, aggregate, and concrete plant, but does not accommodate the recently constructed soil and materials reuse facility. Next slide, please. The proposed DC district is based on the Industrial Heavy IH district with the additional discretionary use of materials recycling facility. This new defined use of materials recycling facility allows the operator to bring in contaminated and non contaminated soil, hydrovac material, or similar waste and debris mixes from construction and demolition sites, while also recycling and cleaning those materials on site, which is a specific use that is not currently defined in our land use bylaw. The base IH district is intended to accommodate industrial uses that are larger in scale and may include tall stacks and large equipment with extensive outdoor activities. All regulations regarding building height, floor area ratio, setbacks, screening, and landscaping requirements are regulated by the base IH District. Next slide, please. A map amendment to the Southeast Industrial Area Structure Plan is proposed to change the site from existing I-4 Limited Service Industrial District to existing I-3 Heavy Industrial District to support the expansion of this operation. Next slide, please. In closing, this application provides for a you for a unique use that helps achieve goals set within the Calgary Climate Strategy, including reducing waste from landfills and minimizing carbon emissions. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed land use and policy amendment. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 12 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25072.725, "end": 25081.685, "text": "Thank you. Let's open up the public hearing on this item. Do we have the proponent with us? Thanks for your patience. Uh please approach.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker", "start": 25085.245, "end": 25131.965, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas and Council. My name is Jennifer Dobbin. I'm the applicant on this file, and I have with me Travis Powell, who's the president of Calgary Aggregate Recycling. I just wanted to go through my slideshow quickly and give you a little more information on what is operationally on the site because it's an unknown use that's been written specifically for what they're doing there. So I want council to be aware of what's being done on the site. My apologies, I'm going to put your clerks through a bit of a test here, but I have slide one. I'd like to show you a piece of paper, is slide two. After this morning's discussions, I just wanted to be clear for council that as an industrial heavy user, there's no nothing in the restricted uses. Child care, daycare, medical clinic, hospital.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25131.965, "end": 25135.165, "text": "If you wouldn't mind, uh please just speak right in front of the microphone. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker", "start": 25135.165, "end": 25415.585, "text": "Yeah, I just wanted to let council know that there are none of the restricted uses within 300 meters of this site as an industrial heavy, so there's no child care, daycare schools, medical clinics, hospitals, or residents within 300 meters. And I think with council's conversation earlier this morning, that might be important information. Next slide, please. Thank you, Clerk. So this site has historically operated as the asphalt aggregate and concrete plant that processes products for reuse. So they are crushing gravel into different sizes for reuse. What is new is the reason for this application is the addition of the materials recycling facility, which is a wash plant for aggregates. So specifically, it focuses on soil and construction material processing and washing for reuse. So this redesignation ensures that the land use properly reflects the full scope of operations. Next slide, please. This slide shows the materials recycling facility equipment. This is a unique facility. There's only two in North America that are doing this work. This is a specialized operation that processes incoming materials and separates them into reusable components. As there are no similar operations described in the land use bylaw, a direct control guideline was required. Next slide, please. This slide lists the inputs to the operation. These include excavated soils and construction related materials that would traditionally be sent to a landfill quite far outside of the city of Calgary. All materials coming onto the site are tested and prohibited materials are rejected from processing. The list of rejected materials are on the right. Instead of disposal, accepted materials are brought to the site for processing and washing to generate reusable materials. Next slide, please. The outputs of the facilities are recovered usable materials. These include aggregates, or what we would commonly call gravel, and sand, and fine materials that can be reused in construction, landscaping, and other applications. This transforms what would be waste into usable products. Next slide, please. These recovered materials are then returned to the market. They use locally in construction and related industries, reducing the need to improve or mine new materials. This supports a more efficient and local supply chain. Next slide, please. This is a closed loop system. I note that this parcel is not serviced. There's no water coming in from City of Calgary and only controlled one time discharge into the sewer system when we had a little bit of extra water, but normally they're not discharging at all. It's all a closed loop. They use their hydrovac water, water collected on the site, and water that's privately purchased to operate their materials. This reduces waste, conserves resources, and improves overall system efficiency. In their first three years of operation, Calgary Aggregate has diverted 360,000 tons of material from landfills. Next slide, please. These operations on the site are directly aligned with the city's climate strategy pathways policies, including consumption and waste reduction, targeting increased landfill diversion. This facility is directly contributing to recovering materials. Carbon reduction by reducing the need for virgin material extraction and long distance hauling, emissions are significantly reduced. And water adaptation. The facility reuses stormwater and the hydrovac water in its processes and reduces reliance on municipal water systems. Next slide, please. My apologies, this is a duplicate. Next slide. In terms of measurable impact, the operation achieves significant greenhouse gas reductions. This is done by shortening the transportation distances. On this map, you can see typically these waste materials have to go to a class two landfill. The nearest one here noted is Newell, which is 180 kilometers away. So we're reducing transportation distances, reducing the need for mining more gravel and aggregates, and minimizing the hauling of waste and raw materials. Combined, this results in an approximately 93% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions compared to traditional methods. Next slide please. We did undertake direct engagement with 16 neighboring industrial businesses, including email outreach, engagement website, and in person meetings. Key concerns that were raised were with regard to dust mitigation and site access. To address the dust concerns, Calgary Gagat has begun sweeping 60th Street. This resumed in the spring, and the proposed driveway change has been deferred for future consideration.", "segments_merged": 17 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25415.585, "end": 25422.225, "text": "Thank you. You're unfortunately just at time, but uh Councillor Kelly might be uh intrigued to know if you want more. If you have more.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 25422.705, "end": 25428.225, "text": "Councillor Kelly is intrigued. I'm really enjoying this. Could you give me the rest of your presentation?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker", "start": 25428.225, "end": 25445.245, "text": "All I had was in closing, this redesignation ensures that the land use properly reflects an innovative operation that supports Calgary's goals for waste diversion, emissions reduction, and a more circular low-carbon economy. So we ask for your support of this application and we're happy to answer any questions.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 25447.385, "end": 25470.045, "text": "Your worship, I that was such a great, thorough presentation. I don't really have any questions, save one. Is the recycling facility uh currently in operation? Just taking a look at the photos, it looks like it is. And I'm just curious how that squares with a request for a land use redesignation at this point. Am I asking the question that you hoped nobody would ask?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker", "start": 25470.125, "end": 25526.065, "text": "No, no, I was prepared to answer that. Um initially they had put in a development permit and became very overwhelmed with the r response from their from the initial application. Um and then they contacted me and I got involved with it and we brought it all up and made the applications. Initially, too, when we did do the application, uh, and even prior to the application, because it's aggregate processing, it's no different than our crushers and screeners that we've had on site for and it's more than 20 years. Calgary aggregate's been on that land for 35 years. Uh I purchased that business in 2018. In my eyes, it's aggregate processing. In uh other people's eyes, it's a different uh you know, a thing entirely. It's screens, it's loaders, it's the exact same equipment that I've ran on that site. And then we got a uh complaint and that's when we engaged with Jennifer to uh get all of our stuff in compliance.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 25527.065, "end": 25534.345, "text": "Got it, I understand. Thank you so much. And again, excellent presentation. I really uh I really enjoyed all the context that you provided there. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25535.985, "end": 25543.085, "text": "Thank you. Uh anyone else from the public wanting to speak to this? All right, come on up.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker", "start": 25552.945, "end": 25790.005, "text": "Good afternoon, uh your worship, members of council, Chris Davis for the record. I'm here um on behalf of a numbered company that's in a similar business. And I'm not here to speak about the competitive issues, but about the planning issues that are before you. So I act for 114 365 Alberta. Um this company uh is one of a number of unique companies in the Calgary area that are doing things similar to the applicant, which is trying to divert uh material from. uh landfills and also uh involved in the uh infrastructure um uh revelation business. Uh they go out and they use hydrovax to uh open up uh utility lines and expose uh infrastructure without causing damage. And as a result of doing that work, uh they're under pretty significant regulatory requirements because when you're in using water to expose utility infrastructure, you also often find uh hydrocarbons and other fluids because hydrocarbons migrate along utility lines because it's disturbed soil. And as a result, they have to go through pretty rigorous site requirements. When they bring their material back to their site, they have to have special ponding and areas to segregate the contaminated material. They've got to have it tested, and it's quite a process. So, really, what I've been asked to do today is to come before you and say, we support what they're doing, we support that they're the applicants trying to come into compliance. They're moving from what was before industrial general, which had some fairly rigorous requirements for stockpiling, maximum five meters. Now they're moving into industrial heavy. There's less stringent requirements, and there's more probability of external implications. So dust, noise, sound. That's why they're in industrial heavy with direct control guidelines. And so gradually this business is migrating, and the questions we have today are challenging ones for the site. When we looked at the site plan, we had difficulty determining where they're locating their on site stormwater management. And we also had difficulty determining Exactly what is going on on the site and maximum piles and stockpiling. So we just want to make sure that the business in Calgary, as regulated, is a level playing field. We recognize there's a development permit that's currently underway for the same site, and that probably the details will have to be. Teased out in the development permit process, but we also wanted to make council aware that it's not a benign application, it's one that's deserving of some scrutiny and certainly some direction to administration on the DP side that it's important to look at the on-site stormwater management, the on-site management of contaminated fluids, and how stockpiling might occur, because it has become an issue in some sites in the Southeast Industrial. We checked the maps. I I struggled to see where the changes were occurring in the maps that were proposed, but that's perhaps the other item, which is the Southeast Industrial Plan Amendment. But if that's also concurrently before you, um I just ask that you take a close look at the maps and what's being changed because. Uh when I looked at it, it seemed to be going in the wrong direction. So those are my comments. Thank you very much for your attention and uh if there's any questions I'm available.", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25791.805, "end": 25797.885, "text": "Thank you so much, uh, Mr. Davis. Uh I'll throw myself in. Uh what kind of direction are you looking at uh in terms of the DP?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker", "start": 25798.145, "end": 25889.725, "text": "Uh only it because it's direct control, um, there's very limited avenue of appeal. So anytime a direct control bylaw is approved by this council, the only appeal that one can have is whether or not the applicant failed to follow the direction of counsel. So, to the extent that a direct control bylaw is explicit. There's probably very little that one can do to raise an appeal. My client is not an immediate neighbor, so they would have difficulty saying they're an affected party, but what they wanted to do was simply say, as an industry player, they're aware of the things that have to happen on these sites. And it was a bit surprising to look at both the DP and the material that's before you today and not see where there is the on-site stormwater management is occurring. So I raise it as a question, and it could be simply an addition to the direct control to say that stormwater management will be managed on site in accordance with the direction of administration. And there really will be little opportunity for my client to do anything about it if it's approved in its current format.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25890.545, "end": 25892.365, "text": "Okay. Thank you so much for being here with us.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Public Speaker", "start": 25892.405, "end": 25892.865, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25893.745, "end": 25912.305, "text": "Anyone else? All right. Uh any members of the public wishing to speak to this? Seeing none, uh, we will close the public hearing. Any uh maybe I'll ask the uh question of administration. Do you have any thoughts on what Mr. Davis had uh suggested there?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Administration", "start": 25915.465, "end": 25946.785, "text": "Your worship your worship Lawrence Wong with Development Engineering just uh pulled up the development permit and um yes, we are asking for information on the stormwater retention. Uh we are asking for a site servicing plan. Uh so for these uh um commercial industrial sites, we do require that they maintain, retain stormwater on site, uh, and that it needs to be managed. And uh, if they need to discharge to the city's storm system, it will be at a prescribed rate. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25947.425, "end": 25947.865, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25948.485, "end": 25949.745, "text": "Over to Councillor Warness.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 25951.065, "end": 25982.625, "text": "Thanks. Um Are we looking at coming up with a zoning code so that all players in this field have an equal uh understanding of policy and and what it takes to get approval for this? So it's if if we're doing DCs and we just had an applicant that or uh someone speak who's in the industry, uh I don't know if they have come before counsel or not, but this seems to be where industry is moving in recycling aggregate materials. How do you make sure that we're not always DCing this?", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 25985.425, "end": 26071.225, "text": "So through the chair to Councillor Rennes, that could be something that we looked at if we continue to get more applications. How this currently worked and why we needed a DC is they they had their Asheville aggregate and concrete plant. And that is a discretionary use within the IH district. So that could have been operating under the IH district or the current DC that they have, which added that additional use. What changed was when they bring in these materials and not just store them on the site, so a lot of the current uses would store it, and that would actually be called a waste storage site, which we have that definition in our land use bylaw, and that's typically under an SCRI district, so a special purpose district. However, those materials are usually stored and then transported to another parcel. Um, whereas in this case, the materials are brought in, stored, and then also recycled and cleaned on um the property. And that was really the distinction on we don't have that use in our land use bylaw yet. So um, you know, if that's something that continues um to be Brought forward more and more, then that could be something that our land use bylaw team looks at. But right now we had to create that special definition for this property.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 26073.725, "end": 26102.285, "text": "Yeah, because i I've toured enough like recycling i in the north and I I feel like that there is a trend in this direction and so um this is probably something we'll have to give the administration a direction on because I I don't like how this application comes and now we have concerns about site mitigation. Uh uh and the height of the piles. So are we still capping the height at the same, was it five meters, or will they still be able to go higher?", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 26103.185, "end": 26191.785, "text": "It can go higher because the IH district does not have a restriction on stockpiles, whereas the IG district has a restriction of five meters on the stockpiles, and the reason for that is the IG district. Tends to allow more flexible industrial uses. It can allow a range of industrial uses, even allows some commercial uses. So when we look at IG, we look at more of those compatible interfaces. Whereas the I age districts is intended for larger scale operations, so we don't have the same outdoor height requirements. But based on the assessment of this area, that really the surrounding area is predominantly larger scale industrial uses, manufacturing, outdoor storage. There was not a concern on the impacts of the stockpile heights at this location. I know that the applicant has. And that again, this is would be at the development permit stage about screening the stockpiles, locating them central to the site and not on the periphery of their site adjacent to other properties. So um, but sh sorry, short answer, the IH district does not have a stockpile. Restriction. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26195.445, "end": 26197.805, "text": "Thank you. Can I go to you, uh Deputy Mayor Jameson?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 26200.025, "end": 26200.485, "text": "Open.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26201.265, "end": 26212.945, "text": "All right, that's been moved by uh Deputy Mayor Jameson, seconded by uh Councillor Clark. Any further debate or discussion on this? Back to you, Deputy Mayor.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 26213.505, "end": 26247.605, "text": "Yeah, I just think uh I think the questions are good. I think the due diligence is important. Um, you know, I I think that uh I believe that the company wants to run a you know successful, responsible uh, you know, recycling business. And and I I do support anything that keeps construction material out of landfill. So, you know, this this innovation is a great thing, and hopefully we see we can see more of it. But I I do hope that um the admin uh looks at some of these concerns and we can have proper mitigation in place. And uh so uh I will be supporting this and uh closed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26248.725, "end": 26255.625, "text": "All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's please engage the e vote on the recommendations and note that these are two sets of bylaws.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26278.645, "end": 26280.105, "text": "Councillor Jamison, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 26281.345, "end": 26281.685, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26282.145, "end": 26283.665, "text": "Yep, Councillor Clark, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor H. Clark", "start": 26283.765, "end": 26284.125, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26284.265, "end": 26286.225, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Dollywall, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 26287.105, "end": 26287.525, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26287.745, "end": 26289.845, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Atkinson, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 26289.885, "end": 26290.245, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26290.365, "end": 26294.565, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Johnston, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26294.865, "end": 26376.785, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. And that motion is carried uh unanimously 14 to 0. We'll move now to 7.2.12. Oh my gosh. I something is off today. Oh my god, we we we do bylaws here. In public hearing meetings, we read bylaws. Bylaws and bylaws, all. It'll take me, I think, three and a half years to find that out. So, all right. First reading of bylaw 10p 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 10p 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 10p 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 10P 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. First reading of bylaw 38 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 38 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 38 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 38 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Okay, we are finally ready for 7.2.12. Take her away.", "segments_merged": 22 }, { "speaker": "Administration", "start": 26378.605, "end": 26380.005, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 26380.685, "end": 26544.485, "text": "The last item is a proposed land use amendment to support mixed use development. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed sorry, next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 39D 2026 for redesignation of 1210 Copperfield Boulevard Southeast from Commercial Neighborhood 2 CN2 District to Mixed Use Active Frontage MU2 District. Next slide, please. The site is located in the southeast community of Copperfield on the corner of Copperstone Road Southeast and Copperfield Boulevard Southeast. Next slide, please. The site is approximately 0.33 hectares in size and is currently undeveloped. The site is surrounded by three roads and a paved lane. The site is also adjacent to an existing bus stop with transit service to the downtown core and the Somerset Bradlewood LRT station. Next slide, please. Surrounding development includes three-story townhouses designated under the multi-residential at grade housing or MG D 55 district to the west, and single detached dwellings under the residential low density mixed housing RG district to the south and east. The subject site is approximately 160 meters or a three minute walk from Copperfield Elementary School and 380 meters or a six minute walk from the Copperfield Community Center. The existing Commercial Neighborhood 2 district is intended for small-scale commercial developments with a maximum floor area ratio of one and a maximum building height of ten meters. Next slide, please. The proposed mixed-use active frontage or MU2 district accommodates a mix of commercial and residential uses in the same building. The building modifiers proposed for the site include a maximum building height of 13 meters or approximately three stories and a maximum floor area ratio of 1.2, which equates to approximately 3,900 square meters. Commercial uses are required at grade, and rules within the MU2 district promote a street oriented, pedestrian friendly development. The proposed amendment is in alignment with the East Mackenzie Area Structure Plan. Next slide, please. In closing, this application provides for increased residential uses while maintaining the commercial function of the subject site and encouraging a more walkable design. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed plan use amendment. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 12 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26546.205, "end": 26553.425, "text": "Thank you so much. We will open up the public hearing on this. Do we have the proponent with us? Thanks. Please approach.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26556.945, "end": 26830.925, "text": "Hello again, Mayor Farkas and Councillors. Nice to see you again. Again, Mitchell Martins from Rick Balby Architect, representing on behalf of the landowner for this land use amendment. I do have a short presentation for you today, but would like to start with a bit of background on this file. We had previously applied for a development permit on this site back in 2021 for a two-story mixed-use development, but as we were approaching our building permit submission, inflation was really on the rise at that time. Cost of construction saw a huge increase in both labeled materials and labor. Around this time, the city was also seeing quite a spike in residential redevelopment and densification throughout various communities, responding to that rising population. These various factors really didn't make the project feasible for the landowner anymore. And in order to achieve a viable project, a third story with additional residential density was incorporated. While the subject's site had been considered for mixed use development for numerous years under the previous policy, the existing zoning did not permit the building design parameters we were aiming for. Next slide, please. As described by administration, the site is located in the Copperfield community, bounded primarily by single family dwellings. However, there is a multi residential townhouse development to the west and Copperfield School in close proximity as well. Site is accessed through lower traffic local roads with Macyber Boulevard to the northwest and Stoney to the south. And there's also a Calgary Transit bus stop for the routes 151 and 153 directly east of the site. Next slide, please. Our original submission of this development proposed a C Corps 1 commercial corridor land use with a 13 meter maximum height and a floor area ratio of 1.2. While this land use district generally permitted the proposed development, there were limited requirements for street frontage and adjacent parcel screening, as well as restrictive setback requirements that conflicted with an existing utility right away bordering three. Property lines of the site, which did lead to several bylaw relaxations. During our file review, concerns were also raised about the development in relation to privacy, increased traffic, parking limitations, pedestrian safety, and noise. Next slide, please. We carefully reviewed the concerns voiced and provided responses to each of these items in a mail out letter that was delivered to each of the 12 residences shown on the screen directly by the landowner. The letter detailed how we approached each of these issues through site design and relation to the surrounding context, such as screening through landscape along the South Property Line, on site parking and transit access, and connection to the existing pedestrian network around the site. To date, neither the landowner nor our office has received any responses or additional comments from adjacent residents. Next slide, please. Through our file reviews with administration, it was determined that the proposed development could be better supported by moving away from the C Core 1 district, instead, proposing the MU2 mixed-use active frontage district with the same height and FAR modifiers. The MU2 district allows more commercial active frontage, supports densification and intensification of commercial uses, and provides less restrictive design measures for sites with other constraints such as utilities, grading, and vehicle access, all of which this site are impacted by. The site had been reconfigured not only to address resident concerns, but also to improve several aspects of the development, such as the interface with the public realm, carefully considered and enhanced through landscaping, clear pedestrian access, and the amenity areas along the front. Increased attention to vehicular loading, visibility, and access, which resulted in a relocation of our proposed loading stall from the edges of site adjacent to the south lane inside the site. This approach minimizes vehicular usage of the lane, reduces connectivity across the substantial grade differential, and provides opportunity for increased landscaping. Which we also provided along the South Property Line, which are proposed as mature trees, which will provide immediate screening of residential uses from both within and outside the site at the time of planting. We believe the proposed land use amendment will support a controlled intensification of the copper field community, providing local street oriented commercial uses for the community, and additional residential uses to support the ongoing need for housing. Thank you for listening, and I welcome any questions you may have.", "segments_merged": 16 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26833.565, "end": 26835.965, "text": "All right. Over to uh Deputy Mayor Jameson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 26837.085, "end": 26863.425, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. How you doing? So can you just quickly describe? So you guys heard uh I believe there's five main uh resident concerns. Yes. Uh there's uh privacy concerns, increased traffic on the street, parking, increased noise, pedestrian safety, which is a big one, and lack of a buffer zone. So Do you feel like um all of these have been mitigated?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26863.725, "end": 26864.865, "text": "This I'm extant, yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 26865.165, "end": 26865.625, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26865.625, "end": 26865.905, "text": "Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 26866.325, "end": 26875.705, "text": "Um specifically um the uh the pedestrian one, I'm just wondering pedestrian development, like how how how is that one specifically mitigated?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26876.185, "end": 26910.225, "text": "So at the front of the site, we made sure to provide wider walkways leading to each of the commercial units along Copper Stone Road. And then also coupled with the landscaping we're providing, we're making sure that it's not creating any visibility issues to the street so both vehicles and pedestrians can see each other. And then there were some concerns about safety crossing the roads, but there is existing crosswalks around these intersections.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 26910.905, "end": 26916.785, "text": "Right? Now, did you get any feedback at all um after you've made these changes?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26916.785, "end": 26917.365, "text": "No, we did not.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 26918.545, "end": 26922.865, "text": "So you don't know if the original complaints were happy or or not happy.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26922.885, "end": 26924.485, "text": "We heard nothing, yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 26924.585, "end": 26934.725, "text": "Yeah. Okay. Um and essentially you you're you're raising um well the original was 10 meters, so you're asking for another three meters", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26934.725, "end": 26935.045, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 26935.045, "end": 26941.065, "text": "to 13 meters. Yes. Which is uh I don't know, it's not even a story.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26941.425, "end": 26951.845, "text": "Yeah. So we were able, yeah, we were close to achieving three stories under the 10 meter original requirement under CN2, but it was just a little shy. So", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 26951.845, "end": 26957.705, "text": "Yeah, so this six foot increase gets you that third story, so that you're allowed or you're able to do the commercial on the bottom.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26957.745, "end": 26960.685, "text": "yeah, we have commercial main floor with two stories of residential above.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 26962.685, "end": 26967.825, "text": "I don't I don't know if you have this this information, but uh do you know how many units this is uh going into?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26968.165, "end": 26974.905, "text": "Uh trying to jog my memory here. I think we're around 28 to 30, I believe.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 26975.345, "end": 26978.225, "text": "Yeah. And uh what's the parking ratio?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26979.105, "end": 26984.865, "text": "This one. I might have to defer to administration if they could look at this possibly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26989.625, "end": 26992.065, "text": "Actually, we we can't interact that way. No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26992.005, "end": 26994.945, "text": "Oh, okay. Sorry. My apologies. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 26995.025, "end": 26996.385, "text": "I can I can ask him in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26996.385, "end": 26998.225, "text": "and it and it's largely development permits.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26998.185, "end": 26998.525, "text": "So it's", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 26998.525, "end": 26999.085, "text": "Yeah, that's kind of", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26998.985, "end": 26999.945, "text": "a lot a little bit a lot.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26999.945, "end": 27002.285, "text": "All I can say is we were meeting the requirement.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 27002.525, "end": 27003.705, "text": "parking is land use. Yep.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27003.705, "end": 27003.925, "text": "Yep.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 27004.805, "end": 27008.165, "text": "Yeah. All I can say is we weren't requesting a relaxation on parking.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 27008.305, "end": 27010.385, "text": "Very good. Yeah, that's all questions. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27011.245, "end": 27025.365, "text": "All right. Uh anyone else for uh the applicant here? Seeing none. Uh anyone else wish to speak for the public hearing? All right, the uh public hearing is closed. Uh could I go back to you, Deputy Mayor?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 27026.805, "end": 27033.005, "text": "Sir. Real real quick, uh i administration. Do you have the parking ratio?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Administration", "start": 27038.465, "end": 27056.305, "text": "Through the chair, St. Libatelier, I would say I did not prep for the parking ratio as that is a development permit matter and not a land use. Um so I can look it up, but as the mayor mentioned, it's really a a DP issue. I can confirm that the applicant was not looking for a relaxation.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 27057.465, "end": 27062.945, "text": "Understood. Understood. Okay. Well, do I officially open this then?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27063.045, "end": 27064.205, "text": "Yeah, would you like to move the item?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 27064.205, "end": 27064.785, "text": "I would like to move it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27064.785, "end": 27066.965, "text": "Sounds good. Yeah. Rock and roll.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 27067.665, "end": 27068.385, "text": "Okay, I move it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27068.905, "end": 27082.365, "text": "Okay, uh seconded by Councillor Yule. Good. All right, uh, any questions or debate on this? Okay, seeing none, back to you, uh Deputy Mayor, please.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 27083.285, "end": 27085.505, "text": "I support this. Closed, thank you. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27087.765, "end": 27090.125, "text": "All right, uh, let's engage the vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 27112.305, "end": 27113.745, "text": "Councillor Ewell, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 27114.185, "end": 27114.605, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 27114.665, "end": 27116.405, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Clark, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor H. Clark", "start": 27116.405, "end": 27116.705, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 27116.805, "end": 27119.745, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Johnston. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote please?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27120.785, "end": 27121.125, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 27121.525, "end": 27122.865, "text": "Thank you. All the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27123.245, "end": 27177.445, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 14 to 0. Let me Just verify that I'm reading the right bylaws and that we are gonna read bylaws. We got bylaws. I think these are the last bylaws. All right. First reading of bylaw 39 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 39 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 39 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 39 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Whew. Alright, that finishes section seven. I don't think we have any other business, uh, Madam Clerk, unless there is an administrative inquiry.", "segments_merged": 17 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 27177.625, "end": 27183.365, "text": "There is one, Mayor Farkas. We've received an administrative inquiry from Councillor Chabot, so we will display that for Council.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27183.525, "end": 27215.425, "text": "Okay. Wait, would you mind just making it a little bit bigger for my poor eyes? Okay, thank you very much. Uh we will now move uh to the adjournment. Uh Councillor Shabot, would you move to adjourn? All right, Councillor Shabot has moved to adjourn. Uh seconded by Councillor Wynus. All in favor? Any opposed? All right, good day's work. That is good.", "segments_merged": 9 } ], "full_text": "Good morning and welcome to Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the rule. Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Chabot, Present. Councillor Clark, Present. Councillor Dollywall, Councillor Jameson, I'm here. Councillor Johnston, Here. Councillor Kelly, Present. Councillor McClain, Here. Councillor Pentezopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Here. Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, and Mayor Farkas. I am here. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Madam Clerk. I'll just note that Councillor Tyre has provided notice that she will not be able to attend this day's meeting, but uh we've provided arrangements to ensure that uh representation is provided to her constituents. Uh we will now move into some opening remarks. Uh welcome everyone. Uh Oki, Ambawastish, Danitada, Tanshe. Indigenous peoples have their own names for this area that have been in use long before settlers named this place Calgary. In the Blackfoot language, it is called Mokinstis. The EthioNakota Westabi First Nations referred to this place as Wachispa Oyade, and the people of the Satina nation call it Gustas. The Metis call the Calgary area Otusquini. We appreciate and acknowledge that we are gathered on the ancestral and traditional territory of the Blackfoot nations of the Sikhika, Pikani and Kainai First Nations, the EthioNakota Wakestabi First Nations, comprised of the Chiniki. Bearispaw and Goodstone First Nations, and the Satina First Nation. The city of Calgary is also homeland to the historic Northwest Metis, and Tia Timiswak Metis Government, Metis Nation Battle River Territory, Noseale Metis District 5, and Elbo Metis District 6. We acknowledge and give gratitude to the many First Nations, Metis and Inuit, who live here and call Calgary home. Firstly, I'm going to call on Councillor Clark to provide some remarks in regards to the W. Mitchell Book Prize finalist. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. On April 1st, the City of Calgary, together with the Writers Guild of Alberta, was proud to announce the three finalists for the W. O. Mitchell Book Prize. This prize is awarded in honor of acclaimed Calgary writer W. O. Mitchell to recognize extraordinary literary achievement by local authors. The winner will be announced at the City of Calgary's award presentation event on June 17th. The following are the three finalists and descriptions of their books. Our first finalist is Marcello Di Sintio with his novel Precarious: The Lives of Migrant Workers. In Precarious, The Lives of Migrant Workers, Marcello Di Sintio documents migrant workers' experiences, highlighting stories of perseverance, resilience, and vulnerability. Marcello Di Sintio is the author of four books and is a former City of Calgary W. O. Mitchell Prize book winner recipient. Next, we have Skylar Kay with a collection of poetry. There's magic here too a trans woman's guide to being monstrous. There's magic here too, uses mythical creatures to explore identity, transformation, and radical self-reclamation. Skyler Kay is a Calgary-based poet and grad school dropout who looks for the magic in everyday life. And last but certainly not least is Monica Kidd with her novel The Crane. Set in 1968 during the Vietnam War, James Anderson grapples with the death of his twin brother in the war and the prospect of being drafted. He evades the draft and travels to Newfoundland, where while working for the St. John's newspaper, he uncovers an intergenerational family secret that could ultimately save his life. Monica is a multidisciplinary writer, an award winning journalist and filmmaker, and a physician on the side. Congratulations to our top three finalists. What an amazing group of Calgarians. It's always tremendous to be able to celebrate our local authors with the W. O. Mitchell Book Prize, and I look forward to the Calgary Awards celebration on June 17th to learn who the winner will be. Thank you, Councillor Clark, and uh big shout out to the clerks team and protocol for their assistance in the Calgary Awards. It's been amazing to get to meet some of the folks behind the scenes at the city, but also the amazing uh finalists. Yes. Uh over to Councillor Ewell, please, to celebrate and mark Earth Day. Yep, tomorrow, uh Wednesday, April 22nd, is we celebrate Earth Day. The first official Earth Day was in 1970, and it has become a tradition across the world to remind us of our shared impact on our shared planet. The 2026 theme is Our Power, Our Planet, which emphasizes the meaningful environmental protection comes from people powered action from each and every one of us, not just policies or governments. This year, the call to action is even stronger in light of the recent successful NASA mission of Artemis II around the moon. The four astronauts aboard the Orion capsule traveled further than any other humans have. As they orbited the moon, they looked back and saw what every astronaut before them had described: a single fragile blue planet suspended in the darkness of space. No borders, no division, just one Earth for all of us. The image carries a powerful message. From the vastness of space, Earth's atmosphere appears as thin, as a thin, delicate line. It protects every forest, ocean, species, and community. It shelters every generation that has come before us and every generation still to come. And it reminds us that there is no backup planet. Exploration has always expanded humanity's understanding of what is possible. Artemis II represents courage, innovation, and hope. But it also reflects something deeply relevant here on Earth our responsibility towards it. Protecting Earth is not the task of one country, one city, or one generation. It is a shared commitment to sustainability, to stewardship, and to the choices that honor those who inherit this world long after we are gone. From space it is clear we share one Earth, and we are all responsible for protecting it together for future generations. As Victor Glover, the pilot of the Artemis II mission, said during uh the call with Earth crew on Easter Sunday, in all of this emptiness, this is a whole bunch of nothing. This this thing that we call the universe, you have this oasis, this beautiful place that we all get to exist together. And as uh the de facto environmentalist who created the the Nose Creek uh Preservation Society, um my advocacy I always called uh just kind of uh the burden of accidental knowledge. I kind of stumbled into advocacy for uh for the Nose Creek. And I encourage all of you to kind of stumble into learning about um this earth that we share because uh it is it is something important, and I think we all have responsibility for it. So thank you. Thank you so much. And we'll go next to Councillor Ward, please. Uh we would uh it well it's my pleasure to invite all Calgarians to join us in celebrating National Volunteer Week this week, April nineteenth to twenty-fifth. Across the city, volunteers are the quiet force behind so much of what makes Calgary strong. They mentor young people, they support our seniors, they welcome newcomers, they strengthen our nonprofits, and step forward in times of need. Their contributions build not only services, but connection, belonging, and community. This year is especially meaningful. The United Nations General Assembly has named 2026 the International Year of the Volunteer for Sustainable Sustainable Development, and Volunteer Canada has set the national theme Ignite Volunteerism, a year long nation building celebration. Here in Calgary, a collective of volunteer engagement leaders from across the nonprofit and community sector has come together to mark their moment this moment in a big way. Together that are shining a light on the incredible impact volunteers have across our city and creating opportunities for all Calgarians to get involved. Throughout the week, you'll find events happening in communities across Calgary, celebrations, learning opportunities, and ways to connect with causes that matter to you. Whether you are a longtime volunteer or just getting started, there is a place for you. I would encourage you to check out the Volunteer Calgary webpage. I was on there yesterday. I was actually quite surprised by the breadth of options they have. I encourage everyone to take part. Say thank you to a volunteer, attend an event, or explore how you can contribute your time and talents. Because when we support volunteerism, we strengthen Calgary. And if I may give a suggestion, contact your local community association. They are always looking for volunteers and your skills and your Passion and desire is always needed with community associations. So even if you're just volunteering for a one-day event or joining their board, get in touch with your community association. They would be very appreciative to have you. So happy volunteers week. Happy National Volunteer Week to everybody. Thank you so much, uh Councillor Ward. And before we go to question period, I just wanted to do another brief uh informal recognition. Yesterday marked the six month anniversary of our election as colleagues, as uh members of council, and I just wanted to just briefly Acknowledge uh Councillor Penazopoulos and I were speaking earlier this morning and we're talking about we're we've been able to really cross the threshold on a bunch of major decisions, the fingerprints of the previous council, adjusting the previous council's uh budget, uh hitting the resets on blanket rezoning. Many of the major files that we dealt with in the first six months were from our predecessors. And now we're really at the point where I don't think uh I I'm gonna try to get away with it, but I don't think any of us can get away with being rookies anymore. And I just wanted to uh just briefly give a giant thank you to each and every one of you. Uh starting with you, uh Councillor Ward. Uh you're you have the great privilege of representing what is probably the most challenging ward in the city, and take it for me, I know, uh, in terms of the population demands, the infrastructure challenges, development. And I'm probably the most engaged with your ward office just by virtue of our constituent CC on me all many of the emails that you're getting. And if you're replying to even a quarter of them, you and your ward 11 office are really kicking some uh serious butt, Councillor Ward, in in the best, in the best possible way. Uh Councillor Johnston, uh you've really brought to us a a small business perspective. On council, I really appreciate uh how you've kept asked the asking the tough questions. You've kept a focus on us uh on costs as well as the people outside of the room that we're here to represent. Uh Councillor Schmidt, you've uh contributed a really strong uh focus on on public safety. I really appreciate uh your eye for good governance, the institutions. I think it uh you're probably the most exciting lawyer that I've ever met. In terms of uh bedside matter. So again, that is a compliment before any before you call me out on the point of privilege. Uh I really appreciate as well the uh you bringing the experience of young families to the table. And I know yourself being a relatively uh uh recent father, that's the experience that you've been able to bring that I think is really worthwhile. Uh Councillor Kelly, I'm I'm looking at you. I remember being in this chamber about uh 10 years ago with you when I was uh competing in the City of Calgary hackathon. I think it's uh you're either to blame or to credit for my departure into political life. You were a personal uh inspiration to me in terms of starting my own uh public service journey and the experience you bring as uh a former colleague uh at the City of Calgary, as well as now uh my vice chair on our executive committee. You've been doing a lot of heavy lifting, more than uh probably anybody else uh will ever get the chance to know about. But I wanted this opportunity to say thanks uh as well. Uh Councillor Dallywell, I get to see you at a lot of events. Uh uh I don't know about you, but I was very proud uh when we were here six months ago for a swearing in. We saw an incredible amount of participation, a big contingent from Northeast Calgary, many people who uh up until relatively recently didn't necessarily see their voices reflected in the decisions that uh uh we've previously made. But the fact that you've been out there hustling, uh bringing a voice uh to every single corner of the city, especially on rec centers, on public safety, I think it really speaks to your community leadership. Uh Councillor Councillor Pandasopoulos, I think uh out of all of us, uh I might get in trouble for saying this, but you bring probably some of the greatest business sense, and it's largely to your credit. The the fact that I think you read through the thousands of pages of budget documents 15 times, 20 times, and it's to your own personal credit that you found a way for us uh to deliver what was likely, I believe, I'm safe in saying, the lowest property tax generation that uh city council has passed, uh pro the lowest property tax increase that we've passed in a generation in at least the last 25 years, and your financial sense on Calgary economic development is really well fed uh felt. Um Councillor Atkinson, I really I I had the chance to be with you uh at a recent event where we were hosted by youth in planning and development. And on the stage, then I I think I described you as kind of the heart and the conscience of our city council, and uh your your your constant advocacy for accessibility, uh, for the environment, uh, for transit, for public safety, for housing. I think you play a role that hardly anybody is able to around this horseshoe. And I think it's to the large credit that uh the skills and experience that you bring uh to this team has allowed us to be able to execute so well in our first six months. Of course, there's gonna be ups and downs in rockiness, and I think you're gonna be there holding us uh uh accountable and keeping us honest uh every step of the way. Uh Councillor Clark, what can I say about you? You are The representative that I am probably the most personally proud of, because I remember growing up in Dover, Forest Lawn, how as a kid I never felt that I was uh, besides uh a run in with uh Councillor Clark, uh Ray Clark, uh, I think that you are giving him very much uh a run for his money. Uh your your constant advocacy. uh for your residence, the small business experience as well that uh you bring. Uh as well as your your quiet thoughtfulness. I think that uh and again this is a lesson I've had to take in over the last ten years is listen more than I speak. But I know that when you put your RTS in the queue and when you put your microphone on, I better Better listen because it's always incredibly well informed and and thank you as well for the uh the great work that you do because I think I'm even harder on your decisions, knowing that if uh you vote a certain way, my mom will be complaining and my brother will be too. But they haven't complained to me yet, just to be clear. Uh Councillor Ewell, I think uh in terms of our own professional and uh political background, I think uh I really relate to to the work that you bring to to horseshoe, the the advocate advocacy uh at the grassroots, uh to you as you mentioned on Earth Day, uh having led an environmental nonprofit. Uh I think uh I don't know how. I don't know if council realizes how good we've had it with you so far, based on uh Green Line, transit advocacy, and all the rest, but you've been doing a great job uh to bring uh attention to a quadrant of the city. And I do believe North Central is a quadrant uh that has not really gotten much attention. So we've we think about Calgary as northeast, southwest, all these quadrants, but I think uh your advocacy has really shined a light on an area of the city that's not had the level of investment and attention that uh it really should. Uh Councillor Jameson, or should I say Deputy Mayor? Jameson, you've done double duty as my deputy, and you'll probably know more than anybody else uh how busy I keep you with these events and you've really uh saved my butt many times in terms of uh me running late, you filling in, uh representing the city very well around the table, as well as the business experience that you bring, has really brought uh uh Really brought a greater focus on financial responsibility around here. You challenge us to do better, but I've really appreciated the fact that you see us uh probably more than anybody else as a board of directors of a high performing company. And you've done really well to bring your skill set to the table. And I've got to see you not just in the in business environments like this, but out in the community. And you've done such a great job being an ambassador for me personally as well as uh as the city of Calgary. Uh Councillor Tyres is not here with us, but I've had a lot of time with her on the ground and Boness, Montgomery, Ward 7 as well with Councillor Atkinson. Councillor Tyres has done a tremendous job bringing a voice to the table for an area of the city that's been really hard hit by a lot of our infrastructure challenges. And not just redevelopment, but also the water main, and even before that, the 2013 flood. I could not be more proud of the advocacy that Councillor Tyres has brought to the table. Councillor Chabot, I had the opportunity to join you for about two and a half hours last night at Monterey Park. And man, the uh encyclopedic knowledge, the questions that you got put on the spot, and the fact that you could answer all of them with about 11 out of 10 uh detail in terms of even littering, garbage, uh, garbage bin placement, utility bills, off site levies, fee structures, the exact orientation of traffic safety signage, 45 degree or 90 degree tilt, that level of detail. I mentioned to your constituents that on the day that we were sworn in, you in that single brain and heart of yours had more experience on counsel than all fourteen of us combined. So you you run the tape, you run the numbers, the amounts of months, the years served. In you, there is more experience than all 14 of us combined. And I just want to extend a very personal thank you for your mentorship, your support to this council. Uh we could have really gone off the rails, and we have occasionally, but the fact that 11 of us were brand new to our jobs and the fact that we were hit our stride was because a lot of the behind the scenes mentoring, the coaching, uh not the people, not many people know this, but we have the opportunity on our breaks for lunch or dinner. Uh to go to a side room where we're able to break bread. And I know that you probably spend more time behind the scenes in the lunchroom than hardly any other member of council. And the fact that you're there, uh accessible, available to me, uh in terms of asking stupid questions behind the scenes, so you don't call me out when I get the procedure bylaw wrong. But also the coaching and mentorship you've brought to the new members of council, I think it really speaks to you personally in terms of how we've been able to execute and hit the ground running. Uh Councillor White, I so appreciate having uh An incredibly well-informed and researched devil's advocate on this council. The long-term decisions that you challenge us to get right, the fact that we haven't had that eye for long-term capital planning until you made it your mission in life to get this done and get this done right for your constituents. You're doing an incredible job as our audit chair. The level of complexity and knowledge that you have to have about this organization to be able to do that job right, it's insane. I was the vice chair of our audit committee for a couple years, and that was the most incredibly challenging role that I've ever had in my time as a member of council. And the fact that you can do this as chair at the same time as we have such incredible frequency around the water main report, failing infrastructure, the infrastructure deficit, uh even risks around cyber, uh, the fact that you have this encyclopedic knowledge about pretty much everything that's going on in the city, all 20,000 of our colleagues, I don't even know that. And I'm the mayor and I'm supposed to know that. So the way that you come to each and every one of these meetings prepared, uh, I don't know. I you guys have on your screens like the timer that counts down when people are in the queue as they're speaking. The fact that you can milk five minutes in a way that it feels and the way that it feels like 40 minutes, an hour or more, you're to the point, you do your homework, you ask pointing questions, and you make all of us better. So again, thank you for your services, our chair. Uh Councillor McLean, what what can I say about you besides uh you're an incredible constituency Councillor, I think, of the share of the vote, you got the biggest number out of all of us. I think I got the smallest number, at least the smallest threshold. But the fact that you do your work, you show up for your constituents, and you're also willing to take on some really challenging files when it comes to being our intergovernmental chair. Representing us with the provincial and the federal government. I know that you've personally gone to great lengths supporting me in that role. We've hit the road together. We've traveled thousands of miles to be able to make the case. You're an incredible ambassador for the city, and I just wanted to thank you as well for your service. So with that, Council, my recognition is all to you formally. Thank you for the work that you've done, the incredible strengths, the differences you've brought to the table. It's been a hell of a six months. We're starting to really make a difference in the work that we're healing alongside. And thank you as well to you and your leadership, David. Furious, uh, we'll we'll we we think we get a handle on one crisis until we understand what next year's crisis will be. But uh just by extension, thank you from all of us to to you, uh your your executive leadership team, as well as the uh member many members of administration who may be uh watching our live stream. And I will say that uh if uh you're happy with my remarks, don't worry, we can only fit two people at a time in a shower. So With that, uh let's move please to question Yes, all of you, please. But but seriously, an amazing first six months. I I'm really looking forward to to see uh where we go. We we we are no longer the rookies. This is our council. We are not the new council, this is our council, and we have a lot of work to do over the next three and a half years, and I could not legitimately I could not be more proud of the team that we've assembled, both uh in unelected and elected service. So Uh Councillor Chabot, your first up or question period, please. Well arguably second, but I'll take the first. You made it in the queue anyway, so I thought I might as well. Thank you, appreciate that. No, sorry about that. I um like I said, I thought I heard the the Yavel uh get banged. Um so my question is to administration. Um recently I had a meeting with Atco and and they were talking about uh franchise fee and and the need for us to to settle on a very specific methodology that they're advocating for. Um And uh and initially I thought it wasn't a bad idea until I started reflecting on the past and and how we came to the decision that we did. Uh but they seem to indicate that it was eminent uh that we had to make a decision right away. Uh can somebody tell me uh when we are need to make a decision so that we can actually see this through by by the end of the year to implement uh effective January one and and can council uh get um you know uh what would it take for council to have all the information before them to make a value based decision on this uh as opposed to just Take somebody else's advice and move forward. It would be very simple, but it's not simple. So, Mr. Brown, maybe you can answer that question for me. Thank you for the question. I can answer parts of that right now. So in terms of process, ACO is correct. It does need to move fairly quickly if we're going to get it in place for 2027. We provided some information to all of council through the inquiry system, I believe this week or last week, might have actually been last week. In terms of the process, what's required? It does require it is something that is council driven. We do need a notice of motion from council in order to act on it, and ultimately then it goes through a series of regulator approvals to reach that point. So we do need to do something over the summer. I don't have that the exact timelines in front of me. We can definitely bring back a high-level sort of strategic outlook. We were on a model previously that was highly volatile due to commodity prices, and I know that was a concern for council, for that council as well as Calgarians when it changed. Went to a quantitative only model, which is much more stable. That's why we don't see the volatility in the franchise fee budget number or the revenue number. This is close the model that I believe that ACCO is recommending is very similar to the quantity, but slightly different. So we can bring an analysis of all those to the May Council meeting if that's council's direction. Yeah, no, thanks. And just as a quick follow up, we the methodology that we're using for natural gas is the same methodology that we're using for electricity. Is that correct? I believe that is correct. Yes, the quantity only model. Thanks. Councillor Shibo, if I could supplement Acting CFO Brown's comments. I believe, Council, you have a memo in the CU inquiry system regarding past decisions, what we would require to do to be a future decision on this item. If it's not in there, it's coming here really soon. And of course, we'll get back to you just to confirm timelines. If you wanted to make a change, how quickly you'd have to do that. So we'll get back to you on the inquiry system. Thanks. No, I did get the briefing note. Just wanted to highlight it for all members of council. Thanks. Thank you. Uh Councillor Dallywell, please. Thank you, Mayor. Just allow me a little bit. I want to build a context. I won't take long. My question is very short. One of the success criteria in transit is passengers per revenue hour. Six out of ten top performing routes are in board five. Just an example Route 159, PROH 126. Route 59, which is running every 27 minutes, PROH 126. If I compare to some other routes in some other votes, I'm not going to name the routes because I don't want my colleagues to get mad at me. PROH of 14, 15, Route 300, I'll mention PROH of 18. What I want to understand is, and then if I go to shuttle buses, Route 80, Route 80, PROH of 41, which would be best, 19th best in the city. We just declared, not declared, we started on demand service in six communities. Running nine till nine p.m. seven days a week. Yet, yet Route 80, which is one of the topest one of the top performing routes, is only running till 4 or 5 or 6 p.m. And residents have been demanding, asking why we are not getting the proper transit service when the ridership is there. And yet we want to put 50,000 hours into other parts of the city just to see if ridership will go. My question is why? Why residents are left behind and they're not getting what they deserve, which is proper transit service when the ridership is there. Great question and great metrics. Indeed, passenger per operating hour is a key metric for Calgary Transit to look at where to make capacity investments. As you can imagine, they're trying to balance two things. One is uh the amount of capacity you have for heavily used routes, but also to make sure we've got the coverage and the introduction of new service to new communities and new areas and new time frames. So they're constantly trying to balance those two to make sure people have access and also access to capacity. We have made uh investments in the great market that is the Northeast with lots of customers in 2023. We did a transit service review, uh, made an investment of um, I believe it was uh 23,000 hours. We anticipate to make further investments based on the approvals of which you led in the fall in the Northeast. Uh, Route 80 will get an extension in service hours to go from 7 o'clock when it finishes now, later in the evening, and also introduce weekend service in September and more investments in December. So, indeed, we do have lots of strong routes that we're trying to balance with the introductions of new service. We do what we call a transit service review where we dig in to areas and look at not only investing new service, but can we reallocate, get more efficient, drive those passengers per revenue operating hour up so we get the best bang for the investments uh that council's given us. So happy to continue to report those um those metrics and hear from your community if we need to fine-tune that service delivery. But you should see a change on Route 80 in September and more in December. And as investments continue to come, we'll see that uh that um those investments in the Northeast and Route 80 to continue. Yeah, um I'm glad to hear that June sign up is happening right now, so we have missed that boat. But I'm happy to hear that September there will be an increase in hours. That's what I heard. And let's start making decisions based on data, and data is clear that ridership is where and buses should go where the ridership is. But thank you for answering my question. Uh that's it for me, Mayor. Thank you, uh Councillor Atkinson for your final question. Uh yeah, last week uh council received a letter talking about some of the uh mitigations that will be taking place in Cowboys Park due to the Cowboys Music Festival coming in and the closure of the skateboard park for a 30 day period. Um and I I noted that on the on the bottom of the letter on the memo, it's signed by members of administration, but also Paul Vickers from Pennyland Entertainment. And as far as I'm aware, he's not on the payroll, he's not a member of administration. Uh and uh I Don't see any other stakeholders. We don't see the skateboarders. We don't see the downtown West End. So I guess I wonder why Paul Vickers from Pennyland Entertainment is signing a memo from administration to council members. That's my first question. Sure, happy to take that question. Uh indeed, uh Penning Lane Entertainment is a partner uh in an event that's occurring at Cowboys Park. And in that letter, there are some requirements of administration. There's also requirements of our partner. And we thought in discussions with that to make that commitment to council, knowing there was some concern about the event and mitigation in the community, to have both partners come forward, make that commitment strongly to council so you know that we're aligned and that we're sensitive to not only a successful event, but also the impact that we've had in the community. If we've had to close part of the park in order to hold the event, that was the intent around that being co signed between the event organizer as well as the city of Calgary. Perfect. Thank you. And then uh a follow-up is just um This is really this whole issue around the park and the sort of naming and the sponsorship has brought up a lot of uh concern on my behalf around the use of public space and how sponsorship uh is, I think, dictating uh how we use our public goods and our public services and whether we're getting the right balance of how these spaces are to perform for the public and whether these sponsorships are actually interfering with what we need to be doing in terms of delivering service at a high level for the public. And I wonder uh what it would take to daylight the contract so that the public can have an understanding about the trade offs that are uh inherent in these sponsorship agreements and whether we think that this is something that we want to take on as a city council to take some sponsorship dollars, but have the trade offs in terms of the loss of the public good. Sorry, point of order. Is this a second question or a follow-up? Because it seems like a The uh different procedure bylaw allows for a follow up question if the um first question is an answer. Yes, the uh the Councillor has the opportunity to do a follow up. I've extended that opportunity for you, Councillor Johnston, and the uh question has been asked by Councillor Atkinson and we'll ask for please uh a response from administration. Happy to provide a response. Maybe I'll give a little bit of color. So the sponsorship program really what we do is we keep that confidential because a lot of those are negotiations. They're a bit bespoke as how we maximize the value of the naming of a public asset. So that that's the reason they're confidential. Certainly we can take away and have a look at the efficacy of that and whether we need to make a change. So based on this question, I'll commit to working with law a little bit and to evaluate whether that would be a good change. The second thing is the sponsorship agreement is for naming and it provides an opportunity. Like many public assets around the city, we do hold events, we hold parades, we do uh the folk festival in the park. So uh that was a related but not really covered overall in the sponsorship agreement. The sponsorship provided uh the number of days to the event organizers to hold their event. They then move into the a similar process that every event goes on in Cowrie to balance the public use of the asset and the event and work out all the details. So just some nuances of what is in the sponsorship is really the naming of the area. The event itself is a separate uh negotiation that we do with the with the event organizers. Yeah. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Councillor Atkinson. Let's now move to the confirmation of the agenda. May I please have a mover? Always reliable, Deputy Mayor. Moved by Deputy Mayor Jameson. Seconded by Councillor Ewell. The agenda is on the table. Are there any amendments? All right, seeing uh none, uh let's engage the evote, please, uh, on the agenda. Councillor Ewell, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Jamison, your vote, please. It's not working on this side, but yes. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please. Absent. Yes, I think I heard a yes from Councillor Shabok. Councillor Shabot is a yes, noted. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes. Thank you. Please uh display the results. On that, the uh motion is carried 14 to 0. The agenda has been confirmed. All right, so please give us uh just a few moments here while we uh swap out members of administration for the public hearing portion of the agenda. For all items on the agenda under this section 7 reports for public hearing, we'll start with a presentation by administration representing the recommendations of the Calgary Planning Commission. Then we will open the public hearing. The applicant, if present, will make the first presentation. Once the applicant is finished speaking, I will go to the list of registered speakers, rotating the remaining registered speakers between those in favor, against, and neither. Council is restricted in these public hearings to issues of land use, the use and not the user, and I will stop you if you aren't speaking to the use. I'll also take this time to remind everyone that for every public hearing matter, council members are amenable to persuasion. Public speakers have a maximum of five minutes to make their presentation. 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Questions of clarification from council members to administration can be taken at this point. Then we will go to council to debate the item. Why don't we start us off on 7.2.1 Line Use Amendment in Westwinds Ward 5? Thank you, Mayor Farkas, and good morning, Council. My name is Lindsay Ganzar. I'm a senior planner in the Community Planning Department, and I will be presenting the first six items on the agenda today. This first item is a land use redesignation application to increase the number of commercial uses allowed on the subject site. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 42D 2026 for the redesignation of 3660 West Winds Drive Northeast from a direct control or DC district to the commercial community one or CC1 district. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the community of West Winds at the southwest corner of West Winds Drive and Castle Ridge Boulevard Northeast, and is approximately 400 meters or a seven minute walk east of the McKnight Westwinds LRT station. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 1.05 hectares in area and is currently developed with two commercial buildings that contain a bank and a restaurant. The transit stops shown on this map service multiple bus routes within the city. Next slide, please. Surrounding development consists primarily of commercial uses along West Winds Drive, shown in red, light industrial uses to the southwest, shown in grey, and residential uses to the east, shown in yellow and orange. A small park with playground is located across Castle Ridge Boulevard to the southeast. The subject parcel is currently designated as a direct control district based on the Industrial Commercial or IC district. The intent of this DC district is to allow for a select few commercial uses that are compatible with the adjacent light industrial uses, such as catering services and seasonal sales. The rest of the rules of the DC district remain the same as those in the based IC district, including a maximum building height of 12 meters and a maximum floor area ratio of 1.0. Next slide, please. The proposed CC1 district is intended for small to medium scale commercial developments and would allow for a larger variety of commercial uses that could serve both the employees and residents of the area. The district has a maximum building height of 10 meters and a maximum floor area ratio of 1.0. Next slide, please. In closing, the proposal would allow for additional commercial amenities and employment opportunities close to low density residential neighborhoods and the primary transit network. As such, Calgary Planning Commission recommends that council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject parcel. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you so much. With that, we will open our public hearing. Do we have the uh proponent with us? Thanks for being here. Please uh approach. Good morning, Mayor Farkas and Councillors. My name is Mitchell Martins, municipal liaison with Rick Belby Architect. I am representing on behalf of the landowner for this application. I don't have any additional presentation for you today, but I do welcome any questions you may have for me. Thank you, colleagues. Any questions? Councillor Dallywell, please? Yeah, thanks, Mayor. Um just a thank you for um coming together today. Um Uh previously it was a direct control uh with a base district of C N2? I can't remember now, but anyways, uh if you know, I can't ask uh admin. Uh now we are going to CN1. Um have you uh is your um uh landowner or whoever uh do they know what uses they want to bring here? Because one of the things about this site is uh it's very congested. Uh traffic is a big issue, both on uh uh Castle Ridge Boulevard, 64th Avenue, West Wind Drive, um lots of commercial retailers, superstores right there, gas station, all those kind of so have they thought about that? Because I would have loved to see maybe a DC coming in with some sort of a permitted uses in there that could be allowed given where this site is. No, that's a great question, Councillor. So the landowner of this site is actually the landowner of the site to the west. We had gone through land use redesignation about one or two years ago to CC1. The existing DC for this site was based on IC, which was more in line with those industrial sites to the south. But a portion of this parcel was actually redesignated CC1 a few years back to accommodate medical uses. The owner now wants to redesignate the remainder of this parcel just to accommodate a few more opportunities for future development. There's nothing specific in mind at this time, but allowing more flexibility for tenants across the entire parcel and the adjacent parcel to the west. And was there a requirement to do uh TIA for this application? Yes, there was. Yeah. Okay, great. Because I remember this would there was an application about two years ago on this site that council uh declined to feed it and I'm glad they did. But thank you so much, that's all I have. Thank you, Councillor Pantasopoulos, please. Thanks so much for coming. Really quick, just in the administration's presentation, this is in a transit-oriented uh development area, the 600 meters. And uh any development permit, quote, including consideration of reduced parking requirements, pedestrian crossings, and limited limiting, limiting auto-oriented uses. Maybe just speak from a developer perspective. Uh you mentioned the owner wants to sort of keep some flexibility, change uses, et cetera. Maybe just speak to that. When you're thinking about development, how do TODs impact your thoughts? Uh, does it work? You're you're in that sort of catchment basin. Just maybe speak a bit about that from a developer perspective and those restrictions, comments like limiting auto use, reducing parking requirements, does that constrain your ability to develop? Thank you. Sure. Great question. So with the proposed CC1 zoning, it allows a lot more smaller commercial uses, things like restaurants, takeout services, smaller retail uses, which can be more pedestrian oriented. The CC1 district, if I'm remembering correctly, does not have as many automotive oriented uses because it is more aligned for a pedestrian oriented environment. So And with the existing uses on site, you know, there's, I believe there's a Tim Hortons, um, which obviously is a drive-thru, but um, you know, the multi tenant building on the south and then future prospects for redevelopment on the site would allow uh opportunities for more pedestrian oriented and restricted development, if that answers your question. I think it does. We spend a lot of time talking about residential and the impact. So it was just really great. I wanted to hear from a commercial and and how that impacts. So I really appreciate your thoughts on the matter. Thanks so much. Thank you, Chair. Thank you so much. Anyone else? Nope. Great. Thank you so much for being here with us. Is there anyone else who would like to speak to this item? All right. Seeing none, the uh public hearing is closed. Uh, do we have any questions from administration? Councillor Dallywell? Yep. Yeah, uh Mayor, I'll move this too, but just just one question. Um TIA was done. Uh any any flags there uh is there gonna be requirement to upgrade any of the uh uh intersections like 64, Castlewick, that kind of stuff, or everything is good and the the traffic that is gonna be created or uh will be able to uh be accommodated uh within the existing infrastructure? Uh through the chair Tom Hopkins Development Engineering. So a TIA was carried out for this application. It was more of a trip generation comparison to the existing uses, which the uses were fairly similar from a trip generation perspective. It also included other sites surrounding that. So at the development permit stage, we'll take a look to see if any improvements are needed. But I understand that administration colleagues and infrastructure services are. Carrying out some of the Ward 5 connections this year with connecting pedestrian active modes along 64th with a shared pathway on the south side, as well as intersection improvements at 64th and uh Castle Ridge Boulevard as well. So there wouldn't be a need for improvements with this land use, but we are monitoring it to ensure that uh operations continue to be uh within appropriate uh appropriate uh spaces. Okay, great. Thank you. With that, I'll move it. Straight application, simple application. I want to thank applicant for reaching out to our office discussing this. Like I said a couple years ago, so there was a land use that was actually very, very different than this. So happy to support it and I urge council to uh to to support it too. Thank you. With that, I'm open and move. Thanks. That's been moved by Councillor Chabot. Any further debate? Or sorry, uh, that was been moved by Councillor Daliwell, second by Councillor Chabot. Yeah. Just briefly, uh Oh yeah. I'm happy to support this. Anything that can help to move um lands. Uh to develop sooner rather than later to increase our tax base. I'm happy to support that. All right. Anyone else? Councillor Dallywell to close. Close. All right, man, clerk. Let's uh please engage the e-vote. Councillor Jamison, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please uh display the results. That motion is carried unanimously, 14 to 0. We'll now move to the readings of the bylaw. First reading of bylaw 42D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 42 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 42 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that's carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 42 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Great. We will now move to item 7.2.2, land use amendment in Deerfoot Business Center. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item on the agenda is a land use redesignation application that would allow for school uses in an industrial area. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to refuse and abandon proposed bylaw 40 D 2026 for the redesignation of 1020 68th Avenue Northeast from the Industrial General or IG District to a Direct Control or DC district. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in Deerfoot Business Center at the northwest corner of 68th Avenue and 10th Street Northeast. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 4.5 hectares in area and is currently developed with a vacant office building. Next slide, please. Surrounding land use is designated for light to medium industrial use with nearby developments such as warehouses, manufacturing facilities, heavy equipment operations, and offices. Other allowed uses within the Deerfoot Business Center include power plants, salvage yards, freight yards, and distilleries. The area is ideally located to benefit from major transportation routes like Deerfoot Trail to the west and Calgary International Airport to the east, which support industrial activity and goods movement. The subject parcel is currently designated as the IG district, which allows for light and medium industrial uses with limited commercial uses. The maximum floor area ratio in the district is 1.0 and there is no maximum building height. Next slide, please. The proposed DC district is based on the existing IG district, but includes the additional uses of public and private kindergarten to grade 12 schools. There are no other proposed changes to the base district. Next slide, please. This application would allow for two uses that are incompatible with the surrounding context and would introduce uses that may disrupt the functioning of an important industrial and logistics area of the city. Therefore, Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council refuse and abandon the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject parcel. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you so much. We'll move now to our public hearing on this matter. Do we have the proponent with us? Thank you. Please approach. Good morning. Uh Your Worship Mayor Farkas, esteemed uh Councillor. Yeah. My name is Colin Galant. I'm representing the current parcel owner and the um plan tenant, Rocky Mountain Chartered School Division. Um, obviously, as part of this, we have been working with administration over the last few months for this land use application to allow for the discretionary use of the school use on this site here. Uh, we want to give a little bit of um information here as part of it. Uh, Rocky Mountain School uh Charter School is an approved charter school by the Minister of Education with Alberta Education and the Premier's office, which they have been working with that application over the last year. And they are wanting to move ahead as part of this opportunity for an adaptive reuse of this 150,000 square foot office space, which has been mentioned has been vacant for multiple years. It is a prime candidate for adaptive reuse for this use as it includes a commercial kitchen, loading dock, multi purpose assembly space, locker line corridors, dedicated drop off and poor cut share. It has ample parking and outdoor conversion space for school requirements such as play areas and can easily Easily address any safety accessibility measures as needed as part of to support the development as it goes through the development permit stages if successful with this land use application here. We have worked through multiple aspects of it with sanitary capacity studies that's been submitted to City of Calgary to support transportation impact assessments. Also looking at the multi use pathway connections to help alleviate any concerns administration may have about the use in this context as we work through the development stages of this application. A little more context. The Plan Charter School is 750 students, 50 staff. It is a K-12. I mentioned it has the support of the Alberta Education, Minister of Education, and the Premier's Office. They are an innovative program built on three core pillars of their education, health and wellness, sustainable agriculture, global technology. They're working towards a 21st century learning program, which is learn anywhere as you need as part of it. So this is a great opportunity for to address a need for more schools in this application, in this city. And this is a prime candidate for adaptive reuse of an existing building that has been vacant for quite some time since the current, the previous tenant, Joan Dynamics, moved out of that facility. So I'll leave that as part of my app uh my presentation, and I open up the forum to any questions that you may have. Thank you. I believe we have a question from Councillor Johnston. Yeah, administration has recommended we don't proceed with this. And I'm just curious what your thoughts are on why they would not recommend this. Well, understanding that as part of it, the it has an alignment issues with the MDP. Understanding it as policy, but in terms of it looking outside of the policy, this is a great opportunity for the jurisdiction of in an encapsion area of the Northeast to allow for a charter school to be in this placement. Um representing is with me is the um the school foundation over here, as well as some um of the potential parents that have enrolled into this um this school. Again, it is uh a great opportunity to take a piece of an asset such as the current office building that is vacant, and we can convert it to a use that is very suitable for its its needs. It is really a prime candidate for this. And so it's a great opportunity to help increase and meet the needs of more schools in this city, as well as do something with an asset that would potentially be vacant and unused for quite some time. Right. Um, right across the street is uh St. John's ambulance uh training center. So you know the uh you go there for certificates, so I mean some can argue it's a type of a school. Right across the street. Um, just down the road, there's a daycare. Um, so for me, this would be a great location for a charter school. Um unused building, um lots of parking, green space for a play area. I mean, we need more schools. I think it's good to think outside the box. Um, and this isn't even outside, this is somewhere in the box because like I said, there's already a school right next door to it. Um I don't know if that's technically a school, but there's training there. Uh daycare down the road. Um yeah, I have no issue with this. Um but thank you. Thanks. I'll just ask colleagues if we can uh limit our discussion when we have questions uh for questions for the applicant and we can have debate for debates time. Uh over to Councillor Kelly, please. Thank you, Borship, and thank you for being here today. Really appreciate it. Uh speaking of schools, uh, we'll get to that in a minute. Uh uh as a former uh uh board member of a charter school before taking on this role, I have to admit I'm rather intrigued uh rather intrigued with host one because uh I know how difficult it can be to find uh a space. I'm wondering if you can maybe just uh you said K 12, correct? Correct. Uh where is the school currently operating out of? This is a new uh char school. This will be the first of part of the Rocky Mountain Division. And the applicant as part of can speak more to it, but it is a brand new school, char school. Okay, and the you said 750 students. That is the plan as part of the enrollment for this application. Yes. And would that be on day one? K to nine will be on as part of the first application. The nine to twelve will be in a second phase as part of it. How many students do we anticipate in year one? Roughly six hundred. So though they're already on the wait list, et cetera, ready. Correct. There is about a wait list of of about a thousand individuals. Got it. I admit this is a a difficult one for me just because it's in the uh it is fully surrounded by industrial. Uh did you have an opportunity to read through the um uh the Calgary Planning Commission comments? Uh yes, I have. I was part of the applicant and they uh presented at that time as well. Could you maybe just speak a little bit towards uh some of the concerns that they had and and what your thoughts are about about those? Obviously, as part of it, there was a big concern about safety as part of the application. Obviously, that would be a part of a design consideration that we would put forward as part of this design team. There is measures in space to mitigate a lot of those safety concerns to keep students in a safe applicant space to make sure that there is no cross-contamination of the existing uses around it. And also working with the Rocky Mountain Chartered School Division to ensure that the enrollment and the curriculum allows for that to be supported and that is more self contained. It is not a free roaming application that individuals that will have the ability to um ultimately leave the site and Potentially have those those risks mitigated as part of their uh with those safety concerns. So that was the big concern as part of it, and then we have a full design team ready to address that as we go forward as part of it. So safety is a number one concern as part of this design team and this the school foundation, and we're ready to address that as part of a detailed design as part of with working with administration do development permit. Uh we frequently hear in our wards about pickups and drop-offs uh being being a problem. I wonder if you can maybe speak to that a little bit here for me. What like what are you looking at for bell times? How are kids getting to school, etc.? We would be working with the the Charter School Foundation on the curriculum based object, but the current building is set up with a already a dedicated drop-off loop with a pork con shake going through the front door administration. So the sequencing of in and out as part of the arrivals is already set up as part of the parcel with the existing curb cuts in place. Now we would work on frequencies, understanding with administration through mobility and roads. How do we can ensure that that is sequenced appropriately so we don't create congestion issues with the intersection? Okay, and uh uh this was not included in the in in the application. There really the applicant submission was only two paragraphs, which is not much for us to work off of. Uh so I wonder if you could just uh in terms of Clarify for all of us public school versus charter pardon me public school, charter school, private school, uh because certainly this looks like it's a private school in terms of the designation that we like the land use designation that's before us uh through with the DC. Um so I'm wondering if you can speak to that, and then the other bit that I'm wondering at uh that you can speak to as part of that as well is um why here, I I I guess. Um well I can speak to um the why here opportunity. Um like I said the Rocky Mountain Chartered School had the opportunity to look at this site to get their school that was approved and move forward on it because this is um as part of it a prime candidate for doing something unique um instead of doing a new build school as part of it. So it was a prime candidate for that. So it was an opportunity and they are bold and they took that opportunity to move forward on it. Um with the kind of the enrollment that I can't speak to like as part of it, that I don't understand the business case from the um the foundation, but it is open enrollment on their on their website. So as part of it, it's free to enroll as part of it. So it goes through their vetting process, but enrollment is through their website. Uh and then maybe just the last question just the uh uh the man uh what what's the charter of the school? What's the mandate? Uh I don't have the information on me s uh unfortunately, Councillor. Thank you, worship. Thank you, Councillor Wenis, please. Um Or sorry, uh Councillor Pandasopoulos. I you were in just under the one. you know a lot of us Live next to schools and I'll just pick up from Councillor Kelly about traffic and I live ten homes away from school and it's pretty chaotic and we don't have semi trucks and bulldozers and backhoes and semi trucks. So maybe just talk to us about those safety. Um talk to us about what's the expectation of the city because obviously we're gonna have to make some investments. Administration speaks to that. So maybe just speak to that specifically. You talk high-level drop-off, but we're gonna have kindergarten, kindergarten children across the street from where there is yellow iron to the south. So just talk me through that safety. This isn't just me driving down a 30-kilometer road. Just walk through that safety really in an industrial area adjacent to the airport. Oh uh absolutely so Understanding that we we do need to be safety is number one in terms of in terms of the parents, in terms of the students, and the staff that's part of it. We do have the opportunity of, like I said, a large parcel of land, eleven acres, to work through that as part of administration. Those details of a detailed design of what those loops would be done have not been fully addressed yet. Um obviously it's all pending on the approval of the land use. But DAO is something we take very seriously as part of the design team and as part of the the Rocky Mountain Charter School as part of their mandate as well. So we would be working through so making sure all containment is placed on land and on the parcel itself, so there is no cross-contamination of drop-offs and um pickoffs that would be allowing for individuals to meander off the site so that it is fully self-contained to making sure that, yes, that once these are entering the site, that drop offs and pick offs, pickups can be done in a safe, timely manner that do not allow for uh cross pollination of the surrounding administration surrounding streets or surrounding uses. So we would just work through that as a very detailed design or uh consideration as part of our site planning, and that would be kind of vetted and worked through with administration at the development permit stage. Is there a precedent for a kindergarten grade 12 school in an industrial park in Calgary? Not to the uh my knowledge, no. Thoughts on is there a requirement to have the 30 kilometer speed limit, nine to nine, in this area if this was approved? Would that be a requirement? I can ask administration, but to your knowledge, Not to my knowledge. I am not unaware of that as part of it. why would that be? It is a school site. Wouldn't you have to have the reduced speed? I would assume so, but again, we can probably look at that in terms of can we create that through the throat of our our parcel as part of it so we can designate and change that that that the mileage of of that and be able to can basically create a safe avenue through the site. So we can keep it as a city street and we can keep it as long as um again measures around the barriers of it, and we can reduce the speed internally and create essentially a city uh uh design street with that reduced speed for that. When when schools are built, is there requirements um for uh sound or uh just just things like that, like generally when they have to be certain distance away from this is a heavy industrial area. Do you know if there's any or is it no it doesn't really matter? It's down to Not to my knowledge, but all again, the um the the the nature of the building is already a triple glazed building as part of it. So sound attenuation in terms of is current facade is probably the as a Cadillac as you get in terms of um an existing fenestration. So yes, sound and attenuation would be a concern, but not necessarily as sort of the planning principles, but as a cat as a candidate for an adaptive reuse, this building definitely is as one of the best as part of it. Based off of what is currently existed, just for general information, the previous tenant, General Dynamics, was working on tank guided systems as part of it. So the infrastructure that was in this building was when it was built, was beyond um, I guess you would say, the standard bearer. So it has a great shelf life, and to date, it's better than some of the applications we would see forward because of the investments they did back then. I was just gonna ask about that general dynamics, yeah, that'd be a different piece. But d does that does that provide any caution to your your your client that inside it'll be super quiet and makes sense. They built it triple pain and sound, but you're gonna have children outside playing in a playground as they should, you know, getting fresh air. In industrial. Um, but but regardless, just just any thoughts there. Is there again is there any regulations or rules? My my fear is you extend it down the road and in a year or two now we have to have some adjustments. This this conflict between a school and an industrial, there's a requirement. If you have any knowledge, that would be super helpful. Nothing has been brought forward to as part of Alberta infrastructure and the uh uh Calgary, I'm sorry, uh uh Alberta education standards, but we would be working with them through to meet all the standards as part of the for um compliance. So when it comes down to the school design, it is through their aspects of it. So if they do flag any of those concerns, we would be meeting their standards. Um and then maybe you you made a comment. Um the existing neighbors, it sort of works. I'm I'm I'm thinking about future. A heavy industrial client moves in, they're super noisy, they've got chemical smells and things like that. I'm not implying you know pollution, but now I'm fast forwarding that individual comes in an industrial and we design it and and zone it appropriately. And now you've got a school. So just talk through that. What guarantees, if any, can we have that uh a client or excuse me, a neighbor that doesn't make a lot of sense next to a school, which we want as Calgary, we want that industrial to grow. It now contradicts, it becomes noisier, it becomes smellier, there's noxis noxious um fumes and things. Just w th thoughts there. That that the ability to, in five years from now, come in and say we do not want this development because of this reason, again with the school. Just talk through that. Considerations and how do we get assurances that's not going to happen, that we can still build a city. No, obviously as part of it, we we we can only design to what we know today as part of it. But we can put uh restrictive measures in our base designs to to try and mitigate future risks. However, uh it is very difficult to future proof such as uses as part of it. But we can strategically place areas such as the outdoor play area along the east side, along the south side, where there is no actual neighbors that we are about into the road. So with it is you there would be some separation buffers with that. However, you know Sorry, I interrupted, please continue. No, uh that's the that's kind of the end of that con. My fear is that neighbor General Dynamics is to the east and they move and a tank manufacturer moves in just to be silly, and it is noisy and loud and smelly. And now there's a direct, what do we do then as a city? If we let a school here, does it sterilize development across the whole area? Well, I I I would imagine it would be the same kind of um conversations to be having with a future tenant as part of it. They would be working with it to ensure that they are compliance in in their parcel. But we would be doing whatever we can in terms of the mitigations and the availability in terms of our um design considerations to place onto our parcel and be able to create a self contained ecosystem for the school that would not be um disruptive to the rest of the neighborhood. So we would work through whatever design considerations we can think of to help. address the school's needs but also essentially future proof and protect that the rest of that development as well. Again, it would be something that we would have to be on the challenge of our design team to come up with. Yeah, I just this needs of the school are very different from industrial. And finally, the CPC comment, I'd love for your con your thoughts. The application is a reminder that we need to find a real plan for finding space for charter schools. Maybe just speak to that journey, how difficult it was, so that as we think through, how can we help schools get built in the city? Maybe not here, but just across 'cause uh the whole city. Well uh as part of it, there is a there is a need for schools as part of it. And we there's not an opportunity to always have greenfield sites to be become come up opportunity to allow for developments and schools to be built in a timely manner to meet the needs of today. So that's why as part of it there should be looking at more of an adaptive reuse strategy because there are ample sites and apple candidates for this type of application throughout the city and other jurisdictions and other uh wards that we can look at more as uh outside the box thinking of how we can start to look at some of these um abandoned or unutilized buildings or business parks that can turn into schools because obviously we can we the land is at a premium, greenfield sites are not necessarily as ample available, but that's all what's is available is on the perimeters, right, of the city. When we start looking at schools in the interior of the city, those parcels are not as available. So applications like this I definitely think are something that we should as a city continue to look at and investigate because I do think there's a great opportunity to utilize some of these abandoned assets. I'd I'd agree with you, business parks. And and I think lots of charter schools in a business area. Think of the old smart technologies building, beautiful, you repurpose. But in industrial, your thoughts? Wouldn't it make sense more commercial redesign traffic? It's safer, it's not versus industrial. Just maybe close on that for me. Thank you. Because the the nature of the around it's starting to change as part of the you can look at the the uh Deerfoot City Business Park, you could look at it as part of it. This was an office building as part of it. It is truly an office building, it's 150,000 square feet of it, with some um assembly areas of guidance system, which is more of a lab. Next door is another office building. So as part of even though it's zone industrial, the uses of it is starting to change over time to meet those needs of it. So I do think you're as part of a comment, yes, business parks is always uh, but it's availability of that, right? Is there the land to support that with the outdoor spaces? Is there's is there the uses, the loading, um, the the logistics of it? It's not always uh once uh opportunity that always fits, but this does as part of it. It does meet the needs, it does meet the logistics of the program of the building, and it again it is a prime candidate. It is really set up to become a future school based off of how it's already designed and laid out with the commercial kitchen, even with the lockers, the showers, the loading, it is a prime candidate to be a conversion. Thank you so much for those thoughtful answers. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Councillor Wennis, please. Thanks. Um, so do you have any concerns about the NEF contours? Uh we did look at that and we do fall within the permitted uses of them. You're you're really on the cusp because even 30 to 35, like you're you're dropping in the gray of where that line falls. And does did that not bring a concern of how close you are to what the NEF contours are for establishing a school? Um no, it didn't bring any concern because when we start looking at the adjacent uh schools along in in this area, there are there are quite a bit that actually fall within some of these contours and that are in probably what would you say worse considerations of it. And those schools that are around in that area are functioning quite well. But we are looking at mitigations of that to ensure that if we are with the with the existing triple glazing as part of it, noise attenuation is um cons um dealt with with the existing assemblies, but we would put other uh mitigations of sound attenuation into our designs. But um no, it wasn't a uh a major concern because looking at it, we do fall within the permitted use of the NAVE, uh the airport facility plan. And w will you be creating any outdoor space for students to participate in physical activity? We would be to support the curriculum, yes. Have to? Okay. Um why why choose industrial as a location for a school? Uh as I kind of mentioned uh previously as part of it, opportunity, right? It's just there was the opportunity to uh get into this building to get this charter school going as quickly as possible as prior to previews. Again, and it was presented to them. Um looking through what's the what was available and how the build the building was set up, it really did become a really interesting candidate to go forward with an adaptive reuse that is outside the box to do this. So it was just opportunity. But but I think like that that's why CBC talked about how are we actually building schools? How are we building public schools? How are we building charter schools? What what is the best way to educate children in the province of Alberta? And if we're doing ad hoc location uh generation for education, we're not doing what's best for children. We're not building an environment truly that provides the greatest learning environment. Having a recess in an industrial park. Where good luck growing some grass in when I look at the park park, it's a pavement. I'm very challenged in supporting this because we know we have school sites, we have the provincial government changing the rules right now. Um, but at the heart of it, it's the students that matter most, and this lacks sidewalks and safe egress to and from if they have to take public transit to get here. Um I feel like your application is lacking a lot of. The safety concerns that arise from a school site because of what you perceive as the easiest opportunity. And that's concerning. Uh we wouldn't say it would be the easiest opportunity um as part of it, but to your the the comments about uh egress and accessibility and outdoor players, those would be addressed as part of the development permit uh stages. We as part of it, we needed to get to the land use approval as part of the use to be able to proceed further into the next stages of that for two formal submissions of that. But those students' safety and quality of education and their experience is number one in terms of Rocky Mountain Charter School Division and the design team as we move this application forward. Yeah, however, like administration, I think, has made the correct assessment on the application given how many school sites they have to work on, how many safety measures they have to implement after a school site is is is approved. I think there's a lot of blind spots in this application, and and I will leave it out there because I've I've heard your answers, but I'm not really fully hearing your addressing the concerns that. This site and the concerns that I can quickly that I can look up and see that that come about from having a school site here. So thank you. Thank you. Over to Councillor Yule, please. Um so K to twelve, you'll have teenagers, like will everybody be be just locked down on site or will teenagers be able to, you know, go to lunch at the Deerfoot met or Deerfoot City area? Like can they wander outside of the facility? As part of it, we would assume that they would, and that's why there was part of administration to, as part of the application, to introduce a multi-use pathway that connects the site down to Deerfoot City to allow for safe travel as part of it. However, we would work with Rocky Mountain Chartered School Division as part of to ensure the curriculum base is working with the City of Calgary of Mobility Engineering to ensure that any of those concerns are being met as part of our actual development permit stage. But we would again was mentioned safety is a major concern of ours as well. And so any risk that would be done to the student, the quality of their experiences, we would be working with administration to ensure that we do not put any students at risk as part of it. But yes, they would have the ability to connect to the surrounding neighborhood if uh permitted. But again, it's like other other schools, they they would have to be going through control points as well, uh security as part of it. So they wouldn't be able to freely leave um as part of the curriculum. But I mean uh schools in my neighborhood don't have like Finning Canada right next to it. Like there's no concern like those are some pretty crazy machinery next right next door, as well as the the police um training facility uh with the horses as well. There's horses um just two blocks away, and no concerns about kids getting into trouble with horses. I again I I would I would imagine as part of it that we would we would do our best measures to keep the distinction weights on to site as part of supporting Worcester School as part of it. So we can't control ultimately everyone that as be able to that do not enter the parcel, but once they're on parcel, the intent is for them to be in the school and working through the curriculum-based education. So yes, Okay. All right, thank you. I think uh Councillor Yule, you have uh recognition as well? Yes. Which is very apropos. Oh my gosh, it's so long about kids. Um we've got uh the Buffalo Rubbing Stone School, uh grade four Miss Shauna Styles class. I talked to them yesterday. Uh why don't you guys stand up? We'll give a a little bit of recognition for you guys. Welcome to City Hall. So one of the things we did talk about is pedestrian safety, which is apropos, I guess, pedestrian safety around your schools is very important. And we talked about how students need to make sure they make eye contact when they are crossing. We talked about how they can reach out to myself, the mayor, 311, if they find a pedestrian crossing that is uh is unsafe and they need uh more infrastructure around it. Uh we also talked about wearing bright clothing, and I gave each one of them uh a safety uh uh reflective band, a ward three reflective band, um, so that uh you know we might be staying in uh daylight savings time uh very long. So it might be dark uh in winters, and so making sure you're reflective uh when you are crossing the street. The other thing they asked was if uh the mayor and I were friends, uh, and I said yes, and I think to honor that, I will give him a friendship bracelet uh in this meeting. So They're welcome. Welcome. Over to Councillor McLean, please. This is comfy. It fits good. I I feel like I'm the green power ranger now when I put that on. Okay, guys. I dn I didn't see us all getting one. If you're gonna bring candy or something for one you're supposed to bring for all, isn't that the rule in school? I'll get you one. Don't worry. Uh just a quick question for the applicant. Um everybody's got a few little issues about the location and the charter schools in general. I I'm generally all for that. There's more schools, more school choice, more parental choice, good for that. Um, is this going underneath the uh the Rocky Mountain Charter School? That's the banner? it's the Rocky Mountain Charter School Foundation. Yeah, yeah. So uh how many other schools do you operate? Yeah, I don't know if it's city province or It's a provincial wide and there's uh up to 10 planned as part of it. So right now this is the first one of this nature, but they have had experience with other charter schools in the past. This is a newly formed foundation. Um and uh NASA they can speak more of it as part of it as part of the who is here as part of the um the CEO of it. So uh he can speak more to it as part of it. Yeah, generally I want to stay kinda stay on topic on land use and things like that, but it's uh again just to make sure it's the right fit 'cause uh um it is a I went to a charter schools tour over with the Academy over at Curry Barracks and you know, they everybody's got a different curriculum. I mean, maybe can you t uh tell me what does each charter school that Rocky Mount, does it have a different curriculum for each one or is it um I I In terms of the the type of programming, but I'll allow it maybe if it's uh specific to how their experience may be with other school sites. don't know how it all fits into like an industrial park, I guess. It's just uh it maybe speak to that. Well, like I said, the this location is kind of built on three core pillars, which are health and wellness, sustainable agriculture, and global technology. They're calling it it's like STEM based learning, which is looking at real world skills and preparing students for the future. It's focusing on delivering education on food health, the best utilization of food, increasing cognitive and physical performance of that. So that's the focus of this school as part of it. So those are the kind of the pillars of this location. Other education. Okay. Like I said, I want to stay on land you so I'll leave it at that. Thank you so much. And colleagues, I allowed the question. I I got an edge from one of you, but it's I think it's relevant to us in terms of the type of programming. I think as we're looking at Whether a school is appropriate. It's not just the fact that it's a school. You know, if you're theoretically having a school for mechanics, it might make sense to have it closer to an industrial area. So that's why I've allowed the questioning from Councillor McClain. It's very much about the the the type of user, but I think it's relevant to our decision making here. Uh anyone else uh for questions? Uh maybe I'll just uh jump in, jump in, not to belabor the point. Uh we see that it's uh in the midst of a variety of medium general industrial uses, uh things like auto services, fleet services, building supplies, gas bars, and whatnot. Uh has there been any engagement with any of the businesses nearby in terms of how they view this potential new neighbor, changes that they may be willing to make proactively to accommodate you? In terms of formal engagement, that process hasn't um been completely done yet, but we didn't reach out to the t uh the the neighboring tenant which was with uh general dynamics about that, but other than that there hasn't been any more formal engagement. W what did they have to say? Uh they had no comment. All right, um that's it for me. Uh any other questions for the proponent? All right, seeing none, uh is there anyone else who would like to speak uh as part of the public hearing? All right, with that, uh oh sorry, please approach. Thank you. Good morning, Mayor and uh Council. My name is Nasser Kadri. I'm the uh board chair of Rocky Mountain Charter Foundation. Um we come with uh 30 years of experience in charter schools. So we previously uh spearheaded the Al Medina Charter School, the ASL school, and um about four years ago we we saw that there was there's a real need for this type of a program. Where we would be able to get across to children from ECS to grade 12 the understanding of nutrition, whole foods, processed foods, what it does to the bodies and to the minds, and as well as the performance and long term health effects. So Carol came up with this idea, who was my wife, and we started working on it. Last June, Minister Nicolaitis approved our charter, and we went out to look for a school. None were found. In the process three years ago, we did we we had the application in with the hopes that it would be approved, but it was not. But in the process, we had looked at the smart building since we live right next to it, and the kids grew up, all our kids grew up next to that building. I can tell you, even though this building that we are applying for is in an industrial area, I would say it's much better as a building for a school, much, much better than the Smart Building. I'm very happy that the province did move forward with getting the smart building because. Not only charter schools are having a tough time finding school locations, but public schools as well. So while we are hopeful that the government is moving to make reserve land available for charter schools as well, at the time there's at this time there is a crunch and there's an opportunity with this building. And I do agree that there are some concerns, but in my experience, our experience, we are very comfortable with having this building converted to a school. And also there will be some industrial activities going on in there, teaching kids, getting high school ready for the job market. So we're planning to have, we might have a mechanics shop, and the building is set up for that. It's an amazing building. And I would hate to see it stay empty while we can actually use it. So it's my hope that the all of you, 14 1, would support our students, would support our kids for this year to be able to actually get into a school. We are under a crunch time, but we have an amazing team that's actually going to make sure we have enough. Space in that building to have at least 650 students. And I can tell you, I think that Rocky Mountain Charter School will probably go to 10,000 students within 10 years. And as we work together with the province, we will figure out ways on how to build schools faster than ever before. We have plans. On new plans on how to get the schools actually ready in the new communities, the newest communities. They don't have to wait for 10 years. But for now, we need a push from council to be able to start our first school for a Rocky Mountain Charter School. I know Al Nadina has three sites. You just recently approved the um building that off Deerfoot, which is not too far. From the building that we're proposing to move into. And we thank you for that. And but the the problem with that building is that it's gonna take uh infrastructure three years to get that school ready. So there's another problem there. So we have to work through the problems to to to address our immediate needs for schools. And for the next two, three years, I think that we probably need to go into business parks. Right now we have 600 students on the waiting list. We have not opened or advertised El Medina or Rocky Mountain Charter School, sorry. We haven't advertised yet. Once we advertise, I think we're probably gonna have quite a few students, parents that want to come to our school. Thank you very much. I'll take any questions. Thank you so much. Uh we will go to Councillor Kelly, please. Thank you, Mr. Cadger. Appreciate you being here. As I said earlier, I I I I previously sat on the board of a charter school, so everything you're saying lands with me. These are exactly the conversations that I was having in my volunteer experience before this being the kinds of conversations that we have that we have now. Um I was part of the team that uh that helped uh uh well uh uh on the um The old SMART building in the University Research Park, and obviously there's uh STEM Innovation Academy, is also elsewhere in STEM uh in the University Research Park as well. This, though, is a full industrial park. And so I'm wondering if I can ask you uh I had a chance to ask questions of your expert earlier, so I want to ask you a question building off of what the mayor had said earlier, specifically related to your charter. Your charter is about health and wellness. Any concerns about an in a uh in a heavy industrial park as it relates to achieving your charter? Looking at the surrounding businesses, I would say no. There's no issue whatsoever. As for the future, we cannot speak, but hopefully council would be careful as to put any kind of a business that will have chemicals, fumes, smells next to one of the biggest malls in Calgary. So we would look for council to also protect us in that in that area. And also what I what I feel is that. Anytime there's a problem with that site where we would have to move out, I think by then we will have enough schools in the in in in Calgary. We will build enough schools. And again, I'm talking about us going to the private community to help us build schools. Not that the Ministry of Instructure or Education is not. Putting enough interest or moving fast enough, but there's only so much capacity on their end to build schools. Only so much money. So and we've dealt with this for the last 30 years with our charter school. We need a solution. And we're here to offer a solution. Heard. Thank you very much, Mr. Cowdri. I admit I'm still struggling with this is the right location, but I I congratulate you on uh finding a willing partner uh uh uh in the real estate space to be able to put something forward because I recognize how challenging what it is that you've done is, and uh thank you for bringing this to us. I appreciate it. Thank you, Councillor Penasopoulos, please. Thank you for coming, Mr. Codry, and speaking uh as as board chair. And I just wanted to ask again, you mention it. So, as board chair, having kindergarten children in an industrial park, you have no concerns. You could look all 750 parents and say, this is good. You you mentioned that previously. I just wanted to confirm that. I have zero concerns. ECS to grade six are gonna be basically staying on site. So we're going to have a fence all the way around. Loading, offloading is going to be on site. There won't be any offloading or loading on the street. So I feel very comfortable. And being next to the police is actually, I think it's a bonus. I I don't see them as being an obstacle in any way for for our school, nor or or vice versa. You know, I I I I request to speak because your comment brought my biggest fear forward. Council to protect us against future development. If that chemical plant needs to move next door. That's the right place, an industrial, next to an airport. And what you just ask is I hope that council will protect us. So you think it's the expectation is why should we change our industrial park, which is set aside for exactly that, a chemical plant to give 500 a thousand Calgarians jobs, so that we can meet the short term needs. You even said, well, temporary, maybe we can move away in a few years. Walk us through as a Calgarian, like it that Can council protect us? What if we don't? What if we do and we allow industrial, a chemical plant next door, a heavy machinery manufacturing plant across the street where the neighbor works today, general dynamics, but it becomes a finning manufacturing plant? Help me recognize. I certainly hope that you would can that council would consult with us as a school first, uh, or uh or the rest of the area, or talk to the um um St. John's, which is a school. Talk to the daycare center down the street, talk to the owners of of the Deer Foot Mall. So this is not just um This is not just a standalone school. There is a whole surrounding area which at the moment I believe that it supports our school. It does not conflict with having a school there. I've been in the school business for 30 years as a volunteer. I think that maybe in closing, um, you said we'd hope we'd engage. Your your advisor said that you chose not to, you didn't engage with any of your neighbors. Why didn't you engage when the expectation is that if we as a city council in one year or ten years make an amendment, your expectation is that we engage, yet your association chose not to. Why? There was a sign put up there for I think two months or thereabouts. We did not hear from any of the neighbors any concerns about having a school there. So for us to reach out to the neighboring businesses to see if they have any concerns. I don't know that we need to do that. Maybe if somebody would have brought it up before, if somebody would have brought, if if any of the neighbors would have come forward and said, oh, we have a problem with this, then we can address it. But as far as us going out to to the surrounding businesses, okay, maybe it maybe we should have. But again, the sign was there for a long time. Appreciate the work you've done, the 10,000 students you're supporting and uh for coming to council and and presenting your thoughts. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Winez. Thanks. I I kind of want to reiterate a lot of what Councillor Pensalopoulos said. It's quite concerning that you are expecting a different response for future development, like if we were to do in it's a heavy you are choosing to move into a heavy industrial zoned area. Where you're saying please don't bring in heavy industrial practices after you approve our us. That's very problematic because the city plans our land use. We target areas for heavy industrial because it is safer for us to locate it there. You're right next to an airport. And then if we approve this, now you say don't approve any chemical businesses in this area because now you said yes to us. Am I correct in that? No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if it does happen, we will have to think about moving. Okay. So so it would be maybe also other businesses are going to be moving out as well. If that's if there's if the chemical um problems problem becomes big enough, um maybe that kind of use should not be so close to the residential areas as well. This is there there is hunt uh Huntington Hills right across right across the valley. So If I've been living in Calgary for 50 years. I grew up in this town. I know Calgary like the back of my hand, or at least the old Calgary. I don't know the new Calgary as much. But if I did not feel, if we did not feel that this was an amazing spot for us to have a school, there's no way I would put our kids in there. Yeah. And then I have a little concern about how you say we well, we put up a sign when it comes to advertising when council is constantly asking developers to go door knock and make sure they're providing literature to the houses in and around them and the developments in and around them. And and it seems that like council has directed communication engagement strategies to learn how to engage with Calgaryans better. And yet you feel that it's sufficient to just post a sign and stop your engagement at that. It's that challenge of the conversation for at least the last four years for applicants from the city and from council has been the sign isn't good enough. You must make sure you're engaging with the people so that they are actually aware of what is being built around them. Fair point. Fair point. We came into this building actually. Four months ago. The application was there for a different school ten months ago. Then we approached the owner having seen the sign. And there was already work that was being done with the neighborhood. I don't know how much again, like I said, we were not asked to go to neighbors to ask them if they have any concerns with us opening a school there. Could we have done that? Maybe for future. We can do that, but for now we haven't heard any concerns from any of the neighbors. Okay. The chemical plants, the the high industrial product is supposed to be in this area, and council really does need to work on. That we've directed an industrial strategy to go forward and start attracting businesses of the heavy industrial into our borders. And this site definitely complicates it and is count counter to council direction. So thank you for your presentation. Thank you. Councillor Yule, please. Um you mentioned you were uh concerned about smells of industrial. Um has anybody told you about the glycol ponds just on the hill above you, above that location? I know about it, no one has told me now. Yeah, so I I mean just like uh in in March, April, when things are melting, it smells horrid. And so that's why we have industrial there is because you know that's right next to the glycol pond. So if you're concerned about smells, spring is not great for that area. So just a heads up. Thank you. I will throw myself into the queue and I wanted to continue the line of questioning from Councillor Penisopoulos. What does protecting the school from development look like on an ongoing basis, especially if these are established business and industrial uses that long predate a potential school? Are you looking for an overall conversion of this entire neighborhood into a more traditional residential area? Uh we don't have or sorry, please go ahead. Yeah, no, absolutely we not. So we just we're just looking for this 11 fairly large space, 11 acres, to to have uh school designation added to it so we can actually move forward. Um as for the rest of the uh area we're not overly concerned uh about changing any any other uh lots or businesses to different to different zonings we're only concerned with the eleven acres Why have you chosen not to speak with other um business owners in the area about say even the prospect of potentially like if it's very busy traffic in and out with large machinery, what the impacts of a new school zone may be? Uh why why have you chosen not to consult the broader neighborhood? quite honestly we haven't seen all that much traffic of of heavy machinery in that area uh in front of our uh the proposed school um so Again, like I said, in hindsight, maybe we should have talked to somebody, but we assumed that uh having the sign there uh that somebody would would phone the city and say, well, we have concerns about this this uh this uh zoning going in as a school. I don't know if anybody phoned the city and complained or not, but to my knowledge, I haven't heard any. But we're prepared to meet with all the neighbors. Thank you. Uh in the in our package it says that a transportation impact assessment was required in support of the application and and should the use be approved? A range of transportation infrastructure upgrades will be necessary. It includes many things like a path pathway connections, adequate sidewalks, access to improved connections, safety, marked crosswalks, and whatnot. Is it your position that you're in are you prepared to contribute to those, or is that the expectation that the city will provide all of these things outside of the site? We'll talk to infrastructure. We'll talk to capital planning. Yeah, whatever is needed. I mean, uh, we are prepared. We we are a nonprofit organization. We are um a charitable organization, and we have lots of people, lots of companies, oil companies, CEOs that are in support of this project, and they um They sent letters to the Minister of Education, many of them, many of the CEOs in this town, in support of Rocky Mountain Charter School. So, and I've heard many of them say we are ready to donate dollars whenever you need it. So, and I've spoken with many of them, and they are ready. So, but I but we can't move forward unless we have an actual building. Thank you so much for being here with us. Yeah. Is there anyone who else who wishes to speak as part of the public hearing? Okay. Going once, going twice. All right. We will close the public hearing. Any questions for administration? Maybe I'll start you off, uh, Councillor Dallywell, if you wanted to uh kick things off. Yeah, uh no, thank you, Mayor. Um so the recommendation in front of us, we need to understand, and maybe clerks can help. Uh so the voting when we are voting, the recommendation is do not approve this. So voting no will mean that we approve it. Voting yes will mean not. Well, the uh the the what's on the screen is a refusal and abandon. So if uh if at the appropriate time you're making that motion, Councillor Dallywell, uh we would go to a vote. Uh and then a yes would be to refuse it. And uh a no would be to not abandon it. So it wouldn't be approved with the no, but uh I'd be looking for a different motion to uh essentially approve day an alternate recommendation as well as to proceed with uh uh So so a a yes is definitely a no, but a no is not yet. Okay, that's why out of confusion, I think we have an alternate written, and I'll let uh questions of admin done, and then I'll be happy to move an alternate if that's okay with you, Chair. Okay, I'll I'll come back to you then. Okay, thank you. All right, for administration, Councillor Chabot. Yeah, regardless offsite uh improvements. Um, one of them was in relation to an intersection. Uh the other one talked about uh a pathway um as far as improvements from a pedestrian perspective. How is that going to be paid for? I get the the sidewalks adjacent to the property would be paid for as part of the development permit process as a prior to release condition, but the off site issues related to uh an intersection, how how would that be paid for? Through the chair, that would be at the applicant's cost. And I believe that there's significant amounts of multi-use pathways, sidewalks, multiple cross-sections or crossings that would be needed to create a safe pedestrian environment in the area, as well as geometric improvements to 64th Avenue and 9th Street, which is also already nearing capacities, so it would be significant costs that would be at the applicant's cost to make this safer for their students getting in and out, whether that's buses or pedestrians going down to Deerfoot City. And that would be uh at the development permit stage as a prior to release condition? Uh that would be correct, yes, if this was to move forward. Okay, thanks. Um insofar as um uh schools, charter schools, uh do we know if that's they're a uh uh uh uh taxable entity? Are they taxable? I don't know if charter schools are for profit or not. Mayor Farkas, uh oh, I was just going to say we'll um call Director Goldstein up to the microphone. She'll have a bit more information about this. Good morning, Council. Charter schools as they operate today would be because they're operating under boards, public boards, or separate school boards, they would be the same as Calry Board of Education. So we we have three categories of schools right now independent or private schools. Charter schools are in that middle portion where they are considered in the public or separate school boards, so they're a board, and then our existing three boards that we currently have separate school, Franco Sud, and the Calgary Board of Education. So all fund fall under the same tax regime. The charter school today, we as a at a land use perspective, we consider it the same as the three other boards. Thanks, that's all the questions I had. Thank you, Councillor Kelly. I was gonna ask a similar question, so maybe I'll just ask it a little a little bit more directly. And yeah, for for everyone's context, charter schools are public schools. That is, they are not private schools under Alberta legislation. Uh I'm just wondering in terms of the land use for this particular site, do we have insight in terms of what that might actually change in terms of our tax base revenue? We would have to go and do a bit of investigation on that piece around tax base. Today it is a non residential tax base. It would turn into that institutional category, taxation being similar to what we do today with school boards. And can you remind us in terms of what it is we do currently with the three school boards? Maybe I would ask our city solicitor if we have that specific information. My understanding is they are not. Um, they don't provide the same taxation. Essentially, my question is is it zero? Is it twenty? I apologize, I'm I don't know yet. The mayor said I can't say I'm new anymore, but I don't know the answer to this question. I don't know how charter schools are taxed. What about the public but the public boards? So I also don't know how the school boards are taxed. They they wouldn't be My understanding is there is no taxation on school boards, the public school public school boards, meaning all three boards that we currently have. I just wanted to get like my understanding is taking a look at this is that we essentially will be going from the tax base on this rather large industrial site to no taxation being collected. Is that administration's understanding as well? I have confirmed that school boards do not pay taxes. Uh thank you. That would be the understanding. I'm gonna jump in and uh I'm gonna say uh we uh I allowed as chair a bit of contemplation over tax base on a just the on our blanket rezoning question. Uh in aggregate, I think looking to the view of what the I see Councillor Chabot. I allowed that, but I think it's not relevant planning considerations for the specific site. Uh in aggregate, I'll I'll allow that, but what taxes the specific site generates or doesn't, uh I'm gonna call uh out of bounds. Okay. Um I wanted to pick up on uh, and this may actually be a question to Director Goldstein again, but I'll let you decide. Uh I wanted to pick up on the comment and attachment five from Commissioner Howerluck that says this application is a reminder that we need a real plan for finding space for charter schools. Uh A, do we have a real plan? B, is administration working on a real plan, especially in light of the changes that are coming in Bill 28 as it relates to charter school and municipal reserve land. I'm happy to take that. It is a more general question than Ms. Gansar inside the files. So all schools are planned in, so there's two types of considerations. In newly developing areas, we do that work in identifying school sites, and that would be all school sites during the area structure plan phase. And so that's working with the school boards, working with You know, if the developer says you know there's going to be some independent schools in this area working to make sure that we have that plan. And that is a correlation of population to schools in that area. In established areas, we have a bit more constraints. The constraint being we are land finite around the existing schools, and the allowable uses, you are correct, are being expanded to enable more schools on the existing school sites in our established areas. I would acknowledge that we are seeing more and more of what we would say pressures into industrial and commercial areas to find space for independent and private schools and also for charter schools. Earlier on today, it was mentioned that Curry, as an example, had a charter school, Calgary Classical Academy, that opened up in one of their old barracks buildings. That was not a use contemplated initially when they had put together the master plan for Curry, but saw that there was a need for an additional school in that location. They actually have seven schools in Curry now, most of which are those charter independent schools. The plan that we are putting together right now, which will include all the existing boards, there's actually more than just the three school boards that we have been historically working with. We are bringing forward our annual update on the joint use coordinating committee to council in May, and you will see that there are a lot of pressures around schools, and the plan associated with charter, et cetera, will come as we evolve the definitions of what qualifies as schools and where those schools will be located. Thank you. I appreciate the timeline there as well in terms of when we'll have the next conversation related to this because uh and I'm glad that administration is working on it because I think we're gonna see even more of these kinds of applications moving forward given some of the changes that are that are coming and uh the challenge of finding spaces for these types of schools as we're as evidence in front of us here today. Um Something to note on schools specifically is this what we're having a conversation about today is exactly land use planning 101. It says where in our city did things belong, and where are the complementary uses? And where should they go and stay together? And what we've seen in some areas is there has been a change. So Curry was an army base, like the then it converted into being uh residential, and then the residential area needed more schools and more supports. There are some areas in our city where we haven't seen that because we have the uses as they exist and will continue to exist are not compatible with commercial or with institutional or with schools as an example. And that is why when we're talking about schools today, it's important to have that kind of land use planning 101 at the forefront. The other piece is that schools need very specific things. They need good access, they need transit nearby, they need excellent intersections and sidewalks. And these and that plan that we just talked about are all part of the considerations, both on site and off site. And so that will be coming to council in May as well. I look forward to May, and uh thank you, worship. This was actually a question that I had when Bill 28 uh was first announced, and I wasn't sure if it was a CAU inquiry or a uh question period question, so I appreciate the opportunity to ask it in this context because I think it's uh very pertinent for the conversation that we're having today uh with this land use application. Thank you. Councillor Johnson, please. Oh, sorry, Miss Um Have we allowed daycares to be built in industrial commercial um locations? Yeah, and I will actually defer this, Councillor Johnson, over to to uh Ms. Ganzar. She has a she has a really good context map that shows the daycare and the existing adult instructional facilities, the RCMP, the St. John's Ambulance, the police shooting facility, the SWAT facility, everything that's nearby. So sorry, it's just a simple yes or no. Ms. Ganzar will show you. Okay. Um clerks, could you please pull up slide 16? Um short answer, daycares in business industrial areas, yes. Have we allowed parks to be built in industrial and commercial spaces? Yes. Uh Great Plains facility, is that in a commercial industrial place? I don't know Great Plains off the top of my head. I'd It's a rec center, sorry. I'm not sure of the zoning though. I'd have to look at the zoning map to confirm. Okay. Again, I'm sorry I don't have that information. Shoot shooting edge, when it was around, was built right next to a college. Um or which one? West. Yeah. The West Island College off of Blackfoot Trail. We're a private school, right? So Yeah. Um so this isn't unheard of for us to put a potential school near. Any of these locations, uh, whether it's a glycol or pond. I mean, there's an elementary school within, you know, spitting distance, just down, just west of it. Like a lot of these concerns I just feel are very hypocritical to what already exists. Um and so your recommendation in attachment one was because of your concern. But again, those same concerns could be for any of the other locations, daycares, parks, rec centers in similar areas. So um I'm not sure why we pick and choose where and why and how these get built if it's school related. So anyway, I'll I'll just leave it there. Thank you though. Thank you. We'll move to Councillor Atkinson, please. Um on this map here you've got heavy construction, machinery, storage, uh sort of on different parts of the site and and then sort of these You know, uh other other industrial, but just just sort of thinking about the future of the site. Industrial can house all kinds of different activities. I guess like what kinds of activities might be potentially like that we're trying give spaces to to pretty impactful things. I guess like what what would we be concerned about potentially coming in into uh an industrial zone down the road that might impact uh uh be impactful for say a school site coming in here. Um through the mayor, the IG district currently allows some fairly heavy, medium to heavy industrial uses. I had mentioned a few like power plant and distillery in my presentation. I would say arguably one of the most detrimental uses, which is listed as a permitted use in the Industrial General District, is dry cleaning plant, which is known to have significant off site effects. And it's a permitted use, so that wouldn't be a council decision of whether or not it could go in next door or whatnot. They are allowed outright. uses that have really, really big impacts. And while administration's concerned obviously of the safety of the children and what the environment looks like, the pollution levels, what have you, uh the other Way that we are considering this is how sterilizing putting a school, a K to 12 school, in this location that has been dedicated for these medium to heavier uses would have. As soon as you put a school in this location, a lot of those uses have requirements to be set back from schools. So another use that's allowed in this district is cannabis facility. Cannabis facility, I don't have it off the top of my head, but it can't be located within a certain distance of a school. So all of a sudden, we're taking away the land that the MDP and previous councils have dedicated as such for such industrial uses in this area. So that's another concern. So we kind of looked at this through two lenses. One, is this appropriate for children to be in this area? We know kids are going to leave the school site, but also, what is this doing to prime industrial land in the city? Right. Uh and then the other piece, so we've got the heavy construction machinery, but then you've got this like the RCMP EMS training center and then this CPS and the CPS has the shooting range here. I'm just wondering like It's that there's that's at a whole level uh a different kind of activity uh and just thinking about safety kids in the area, whatnot. I don't know if we know of any other changes to the site, the use of these spaces. This is also important stuff that we need to house somewhere in the city. So I'm not sure if you've got any thoughts on that. Um, well, my first thought is first the EMS Training Center is not K to 12 age children. Uh there could be teenagers, I'm sure, but we're not seeing kindergarten students trying to play outdoors and what have you at the EMS Training Center. Um, the Calgary Police Service, the long building, it's kind of covered by some of the font, but that is their shooting range. They also have their SWAT training facilities there. Um, some of the activities do occur outside and there's berms around them, so it's not contained to the inside of the building. And I think This entire discussion just paints a picture of is this appropriate for five to seventeen, eighteen year olds to be out and about and walking around in this location? Again, that was one lens we looked through it. The other lens, obviously, the industrial strategy conversation. Okay, thank you. Um yeah, I I guess I'm just I'll just to quickly say a a moment of debate, which is um I I I think, you know, commercial use and sort of changing commercial use. Uh, if this was a commercial area and we're talking about an old Home Depot site or an old Costco or something like that, and it's in within a commercial area, that's one thing. Industrial is really, I think, the genesis of land use planning, right? We're trying to take uh our industrial uses and make sure that they're not bi residential, they're not by our children. We're creating that separation both for the safety of our residents, but also for the ability for these things that we need to have happen happen within our city. So I will not be supporting this uh application. Uh and I'll leave it with that. Thank you, Councillor Penzopoulos, please. Uh really quick, uh just talk about the the safety. If this was a school zone, is a requirement that 30 kilometer um speed limit is Uh through the chair, that wasn't discussed as a part of the application, but would be inappropriate in this location because it would impede all the industrial activities in the area. a hundred percent. But when there's a it just is a requirement, like like that's my fear is that you make it 30 as a requirement. Like, is there a superseding? Yeah, it just because it's appropriate. Like you know what I'm getting. If a school's there, does it have to be 30? Is there a provincial requirement? Or is it truly Um that I'm not aware of, but in this case, um the speed limit is 50 within that area and uh would be it would be a great reduction in speed for the other users, industrial users in the area. and then just maybe finally that um the sterilization, and that that's really important. Just maybe talk through that setbacks, just maybe expand a bit on that, like how that would impact the whole area. Um, what yeah, let's just maybe speak a bit about that, like because now you have a school, it makes sense. You cannot have a heavy duty chemical plant next to a school. Just it's not just the site, what would it do to this whole area? If the glass and window supplier manufacturer wanted to do something change, uh is there sort of a right of first in you get your precedent? Like, how does that all work? You can just speak a bit about that. That was interesting. I appreciate you bringing that because that was sort of missed that we sterilize a whole area next to our airport. Right. Through the mayor, I think just using, I'll go back to cannabis facility because I'm not exactly sure of all the exact setback requirements in the IG district, but I know that or for the uses, sorry, listed in the district. But cannabis facility, um, if someone could throw it into our chat, that'd be great. Um, but it they aren't allowed to go within a certain measurement of schools. So if we put in a school in the middle of like a highly effective industrial area, we've we're creating a donut of space around it and using up um developable land. Because none of these more intense uses can go there. And so it's just something to consider that we're creating the use will go on to the site, but then it would actually take up more space within that industrial area because of those setback requirements. And I don't know if oh, Mr. Calkins is at the microphone. He may want to speak. He's with our growth team and can speak to the industrial strategy and how that would take effect. Yes, good morning, Councillor. My name is Dale Collkins. I'm the coordinator of Growth Strategy. My team is responsible for implementing our industrial strategy portion of the citywide growth strategy. I also don't have the specific number of the distance between cannabis facilities and schools on hand. I'm looking at the pile, I don't see it right away. But I do just really want to reinforce, I think, what you heard from Ms. Goldstein and Ms. Ganslar about the importance of maintaining the integrity of industrial areas. So, yes, there is very much the challenge of making sure that we have a safe environment for schools, but adding this use to this area will have a negative impact on the industrial potential of this area. There will be certain uses that don't go in. There will be parents who are concerned about certain uses that are there already in terms of how it's interacting with their children. There are the concerns about uh the traffic safety, there is the concerns about uh the noxious chemicals. And I think that's something that Ms. Goldstein really mentioned to you about that is the very intent of land use planning and zoning, is to separate noxious uses, i.e., industrial uses, from sensitive uses, schools. And here I have to just be really quite candid with counsel that while I think what the applicant is wanting to do in terms of their school is great. You know, it sounds like they have a really excellent program, and you heard that we're very supportive of advancing schools wherever we can. This is not the right location to do that. Thank you so much. Thanks, everybody. Can I go to you, uh Councillor Daliwell, to move a motion? Yeah, definitely. Um I think um We have an alternate. So council, the recommendation that came from administration is pretty clear that they do not support or do not recommend approving this application. CPC, it went through CPC and everything. As an area Councillor, I worked with the applicant. They reached out to our office, I believe, a year ago. We discussed about it. The need for schooling is there in my ward. Uh with the population growth, we don't have enough schools. Uh uh kids are traveling like far and far away from their homes. It's creating uh stress for parents, families, and so on. So I was supportive of this application because I thought, okay, it's gonna go through its rigor and all that. So and today I'm still supportive of this application. So I'm just bringing an alternate uh for this council to consider and test the will of council. The alternate is basically saying let's reverse the decision from administration and let's give three readings to this proposed bylaw so we can approve this school site and let uh the school board move forward. Uh with that, um I'm hoping for your support, but I'm open and uh looking for a second or so we can just get it on the floor. But if council decides that's not the case, I will. I will live with council's decision. With that I'm open. Uh seconder, please. Guess I'm guessing Councillor Johnston. Nope. Any seconder for this motion? Sorry, is that yes or no, Councillor Johnston? That's yes. Okay. That is uh on the floor. Note that this is an alternate recommendation in the package. The motion is a refusal. Uh Councillor Daliwell has placed a motion to approve. So again, a yes means yes and a no means no for this motion that's on the table. We'll go into debate. Councillor Wynus, please. Thanks. I do not support this administration got it right. I think we are forgetting that part of our industrial strategy also funds schools. And when you pop the school in the middle where we now have, where are you gonna put your heavy industrial? This is right next to an airport. We are already dealing with odor issues in this area. And there is great capital cost to this investment that will maybe potentially reallocate capital projects for schools that are designated schools already that we are having traffic concerns that we are having near misses about. This is this is I support administration's recommendation and I will not support this. Thank you, Councillor Chabot, please. Um well there's a couple of things to consider here. This isn't just administration that's recommending refusal. It's it's our expert uh body, the Calgary Planning Commission, who's also recommending that we not move forward with this application. Um whilst I sympathize with the ward Councillor that this heavy industrial area falls within his his area, uh our industrial land strategy isn't the ward-specific issue, it's a citywide issue, and we have to consider what the what's in the best interest of the city as a whole. And we've already started transitioning a lot of our light industrial areas into more um multiple types of uses, including residential, especially in places where it's close to transit. Uh again, it's supported by other things that that helps support residential uses or transitioning from light industrial to maybe having some commercial, retail, um, and residential. Those places are suitable for for educational um institutions. Um Franklin Industrial, Horizon, Meridian Industrial is just a few examples of where this type of use would be supported. And it's in an industrial area, but it's light industrial, and there are other supporting um uh services that help to uh accommodate that kind of thing. We know that there's been recent provincial legislation that's changed that that allows the province to take control of our municipal reserve and then contribute them or donate them to education um uh bodies. And so uh they've included added charter schools as part of that. So I'm not sure why we're even considering this, and especially in a heavy industrial area, that could potentially limit the ability for future development in this area, especially in such close proximity to our airport. This is probably the worst place in the city. to put this type of of use. So for me, this is definitely a home. Encourage council to not support this as well. I'm just inserting what what Councillor Chabot said. Councillor Wynus, please. I already went. Oh. For debate? No. Okay. Uh whoops. Oh my gosh, I'm uh I'm not on the ball today. Councillor Kelly, please. Councillor Y Ness and I look a lot alike. I get it. That's fair. I'm not gonna go. Uh I I well I think there might be a few of us around the table who would say, like, which one of us is the biggest supporter of schools? I think it's probably fair to say I'm the biggest supporter of charter schools around this table, having both my kids having gone to them and uh and having sat on the board of them. Uh that being said, I I I can't get past uh uh Count Commissioner Harluck's comment in in his uh in his, which says the last paragraph, this application is a reminder that we need to find a real plan. For finding space for charter schools. I fully agree. And then I also agree with his second sentence, which is ideally that land would be located by people and not in the middle of industrial areas. We have an awful lot of industrial uses that are going to be coming. I think that with some of the expansions that we're hearing from both the provincial government and the federal government, I think we're going to need this industrial land even more in the near future than we have in the in the recent past. So while I am incredibly sympathetic to needing to find uh locations for charter schools uh in and around the city, uh for all the reasons that both Councillor Schubo and Councillor Weiness listed, I uh I can't support this today. All right. Anybody else? Seeing none, I'll go to Councillor Dallywell to close, please. Thank you, Mayor. Um, I agree Council Chapolik, this is not just about World Five and that's why it's about More than board five. And if we can look for opportunities where we could put schooling, uh why not? Uh uh yes, we have our industrial growth strategy, but when you even look at Cushman and Weakfield report that was made in 2021, we have lots of industrial sitting there, uh almost 3,000 net hectares that are sitting there, uh, which is gonna be good for till 2041. Um when this file came to my desk, I said I can support it uh because again, schooling, near and dear to my heart. Uh there's kids sitting, there were kids sitting, there was a child sitting here who's looking forward to going to school in September, and this could be an opportunity for him to go to that school. Uh, we heard from the board chairman. Uh, they want to get going on this. There's other schools in the uh schools in the pipeline that will be supported through this. So I fully urge council to please support this and push it to DP stage where applicant and administration can start working and start hashing out the details and make this site safer, whatever it takes. So, with that, I'm closed and uh hopefully you guys can support this. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Let's uh please engage the e vote. And again, uh this is an alternative recommendation to give approval and three readings uh for the bylaw. So yes means yes and no means no. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. No. Thank you. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the uh motion has been defeated. Uh 2 to 12 with only Councillors Dallywell and Johnston in favor. Uh colleagues, we have a community luncheon. I'm going to propose that we break eight minutes early so that uh we'll have a little bit more time with our guests. Uh seeing no objection, uh, we'll be back at uh 1 15. Welcome back to Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the roll. Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Councillor Johnston. Here. Councillor Kelly, Present. Councillor McLean, Councillor Pentezopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Schubot, Councillor Clark, Present. Councillor Dollywall, Councillor Jameson, and Mayor Farkas. I am here. Thank you, Mayor. All right, I believe that we've ended off on uh the voting down at 7.2.2. My understanding is on the procedure bylaw, no further uh filing or procedural motions are required. Is that right, Madam Clerk? Thanks for the question, Mayor Farkas. So the procedure bylaw rules provide that if a proposed bylaw has not received any readings within two years from the date that it was first published on a council agenda, the city clerk will file the proposed bylaw as abandoned. So in two years, that bylaw will be abandoned. Thank you. All right, uh with that, let's move to 7.2.3. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item on the public hearing agenda is a land use redesignation application to enable a mixed use development. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 43D 2026 for the redesignation of 1914 and 1918 Center Street Northeast from a direct control or DC district to the mixed use active frontage or MU2 district. Next page, please. The subject site is located in the community of Tuxedo Park and falls within the plan area of the North Hill Community's Local Area Plan, or LAP. Next slide, please. The site consists of two parcels and is located at the southeast corner of 19th Avenue and Center Street Northeast. It is currently developed with a vacant office building. Next slide, please. Surrounding development consists of a mix of residential, commercial, and community uses. Center Street and 16th Avenue, located three blocks to the south, are both urban main streets and form part of the primary transit network. They both offer a wide variety of multi residential housing and commercial, retail, and medical services. The subject parcels are currently designated as a direct control district based on the C2 General Commercial District of the previous land use bylaw, 2PAD. The district is intended to allow for a wide variety of retail, commercial, and personal service uses at moderate intensities. The maximum building height in the current DC district is 12 meters, and the maximum floor area ratio, or FAR, is 2.0. Next slide, please. This application proposes redesignating the subject site to the MU2 district with an FAR modifier of 4.3 and a maximum building height of 24 meters. The MU-2 district enables street-oriented developments with a mix of residential and commercial uses while requiring commercial uses on the ground floor to promote activity at the street level. Next slide, please. The subject parcels fall within the plan area of the North Hill Communities LAP. The parcel is located within the neighborhood commercial typology with active frontage, which is intended for a range of commercial uses in standalone or mixed-use buildings where the ground floor must contain active uses that promote a high level of pedestrian activity on the street. The site is also located within the mid building scale area of the LAP, which allows for buildings up to 12 stories in height. Next slide, please. In closing, the proposed application would enable more housing choice, street activation, and amenities in this inner city area that is served by convenient transit options and proximity to downtown. As such, the Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the land use redesignation. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you so much. Uh with that, let's open up the public hearing and I believe we have the proponent with us. Good afternoon, Mayor Farkas and members of council. My name is Paul Needham with Civic Works, the applicant representing our client, M2SC Realty Corp. Next slide, please. This application supports a six story transit oriented mixed use development on Center Street North. The proposal is fully aligned with the North Hill Community's local area plan. Throughout the process, multiple outreach channels were provided to support dialogue with residents and community groups, including phone, email, and a dedicated project website. Next slide, please. This proposal would bring new homes and street-oriented commercial space to a site near the crossroads of two of Calgary's main streets, 16th Avenue and Center Street North. The site is within a short walk of Max Orange and Green BRT, frequent primary transit bus service, and the future Green Line LRT, making it a strong location for transit oriented growth. Next slide, please. This application supports the LAP's station area vision through redesignation to the MU2 district, enabling an active frontage at grade with clear maximums of 24 meters in height and a floor area ratio of 4.3. Although the LAP identifies this area for mid-scale development of up to 12 stories, the proposal is intentionally limited to six stories to achieve an appropriate transition in scale to the surrounding lower density community. Next slide, please. We undertook a comprehensive community outreach process that included two rounds of neighborhood mailers, custom on-site signage, and as I mentioned, a dedicated project website. Introductory project information was also shared with the local Councillor's office and the Tuxedo Park Communities Association for review. No direct feedback was received from community members through the outreach process. With that, my presentation is concluded. We respectfully ask for council support and welcome any questions that you may have. Thank you. Thank you, colleagues. Any questions? Councillor Shabot, please. Uh thank you uh for your presentation here today. Ah well obviously close proximity to Uh Max Orange which justifies, helps to justify a reduction in uh uh the on-site parking requirements. I'm just curious, because you've got twenty five parking stalls underground, um is that just a single level parquet or Correct. That's it. That would be uh through the mayor, Councillor Chabot, that would be a single layer of underground parking. and that's the the highest number of uh parking stalls you can accommodate in that in that one level? Given the site geometry, it's uh it's a little more square than a typical floor plate for an extended uh parquade. So wouldn't you factor in the drive aisle, which requires seven meters, it really capitalizes on the amount of area to get a an extensive floor plate with more. So you'd have to go further underground, second plate, which would require obviously more costs, and that would result in a more expensive end product for for home uh rent rentals or buyers. So it's it's basically a balance between what what the context can bear and what the uh the balance would be with providing affordable. And units. The uh the seven class two bicycle stalls that are included in the basement sorry, would those be included in the basement or? Those would be provided along Center Street for because there's four commercial ground unit bays that will face Center Street. So those class two would be for visitors to come and go that want to, you know, maybe patronize the businesses or visitors to the site. So this would be outside? Correct. And the class ones, there's what, nineteen? There's 84 class one bike stalls. Sorry, seventy six. So this proposal is seeking the reductions to parking through the bylaw by accommodating additional bike parking. So there's a quite a surplus of class one versus what you would get without going for that bicycle supportive uh reduction in parking. So so those class ones are in an enclosed, secured location? That's Correct? it covered or is it on is it within the structure? Yes, it would be within the parquet area, and uh class one have to be secured. Uh that's the premise of class one. That's part of the parquet. Correct. And i I I thought I saw 76 in in the in the report. Yes, there was uh there was a change in the number of units through the ongoing review of the development permit. So that's three additional units were added uh to the development permit, which is still under review, um, but that's commensurate to be 84 stalls uh by class one stalls, Okay. give given the increase of of three units. All right, well that's all the questions I had. No, well, one la maybe last one. The the seven however number of bike bicycle parking stalls, that encompasses how much area, if I were to say have a a a car park parking spot instead of those bicycle parking stalls, those class ones. Uh it's hard to say. There are distances that you need to be able to, depending on the type of rack system, some are against the wall. Um it's it's really up to mobility. I I think administration might be able to answer that question more more clearly on space requirements for class one stalls. And as to class two, it's a standard U shape uh uh bikes. But I'm I'm referring more to the ones down s downstairs and and what I'm trying to get at is you know, we lose what, maybe three, four car s stalls, Yeah, if that I mean a a typical stall is twenty feet by ten feet on average. So however many bikes you could fit in if it's a six foot long bike and you need two feet per bike to access. rack 'em and stack 'em and you can fit Yeah, there there's different ways that you can you can uh accommodate. Um and it's it's based off of how people can actually maneuver the bike. So um I think in general they try to uh str stay away from anything that requires heavy lifting. So it is limited to to what you can accommodate. And if memory serves me correctly, that particular site, uh the street adjacent to your parcel is there's no parking, right? Uh on Here 19th Ave to the north, uh I believe there is parking, though it is restricted. and but it was only on the north side, right? Not the south side? Or The south side was uh is currently a vacant parcel. okay. So so we we were on a corner site, and uh if the clerks could pull up Maybe sorry. Maybe slide 13 sense of the site plan there. So you can see the the bike stalls are along the perimeter. It's a little small just because the how it fits on the page, but uh there's some bike stalls on the north and the west, and then 19th Ave would would be within a uh RPZ, so residential parking zone, um, for this parcel, and then to the east, there is no parking zone, but there is restricted parking along 19th Ave on the believe it's eastbound. Yeah. Okay. Okay, thanks for being here. No further questions for me. All right, Councillor Panasopoulos, please. Thanks so much for the presentation. Uh in your your presentation, there was no direct uh comments from public, and there was nine letters of objection. Maybe could you summarize uh your responses to those and and was any accommodation based on their uh their concerns that were raised? Yeah, sure. Um uh it's it spoke a lot about uh typical things that we see when there's a there's a application of higher intensity and scale than what was there previously. So um it comes down to parking supply, um increased traffic, noise, sunlight. Um Which are all to be addressed through the ongoing review of the development permit. Um, what I can say is as part of this application, we did have a transportation impact statement and parking study completed uh by Bunton Associates, and it was submitted to the city for re review. Although it wasn't required by the land use uh application, uh we still provided that. And it found that it was generally supportive of our provided parking, uh, given that there's a generally a low amount of peak trips added as part of this development. Uh it's it's a fairly small development, despite being six stories, it's it's 70 units, which is you know. Relatively on the smaller scale of a six-story building. We also heard some issues with the location of the residential entry, and and for this typology, there's no real other location that it could go, and it sort of mimics the the context of the residential street. It's residential facing entrance, and whereas commercial, you'd want that on the commercial street for that active edge. So those kinds of things uh they're sort of already in the design, um, as best as we can accommodate uh within the rules of the MU2 district, which is the active frontage, but as well as recognizing that. There are set there are setbacks that are required. Um there is a public realm setback on on Center Street, which pushes like generally would push the building back further from the street because of that reduction by 2.18 meters. Um so the building is kind of set back closer to the lane, although there is a Although there's zero setback required from the lane, there is I believe a 1.6 meter to accommodate the waste loading and stuff like that. So it is thoughtful of site design and the general feedback that we've heard through the city's own outreach process. Thanks so much. And maybe just finally on page three or four of attachment three, you speak of clear separation between residential commercial uses and aligns with best practice for mixed use buildings. Maybe just speak to that what when you speak to best practice. What are you talking about? And then if you could actually uh bring that into the buildings to the to the east, you know, how does that a six story coming down and how does that fit in as part of a best practice as well? Thank you. Yeah, great. Thank you for the question. Through the mayor, best practice typically means you're you're aligning your edges where there is an interface that Is suitable to the context. So as I mentioned, residential faces onto a residential street, commercial faces onto a commercial street. There's a strong presence of the commercial bays along Center Street that ties into the public realm. So you can see on this image here, there's street trees, generously wide sidewalk. It's over four meters wide, I believe, which is fairly significant. And then the building itself, if you could please go to slide 13, or sorry, slide 14. Next slide. This is the concept of the building as it is currently. So through materiality and how the balcony is oriented, it feels like a comfortable, active frontage six-story building, and the materiality breaks up the ground floor and the top floor. So you're really only kind of seeing the middle four stories in terms of scale. So altogether with the public realm, the setbacks from the street, the commercial on the ground floor, the waste and recycling in the back that has sort of its own. Loading area, all these things combined to be a best practice for this building. And I'll also mention that the lane will be paved along the the rear of the site because that's where the parquade will be accessible from. And so that was one of the issues that we also heard through the comments is about lane access, as that other building, that three story across the lane, also uses the lane for access there. So it will be paved as part of this application as well. And then just you feel it's a reasonable step down center street, six stories uh to the east. I'm just looking at slide eleven um of your supplemental supplemental information. So there's sort of a a step change down. That that would be consistent with the best practice, not a big tower down to something very small and narrow. In general, yes. I d the the land use district to the east is M C one, so there is no height chamfer rule that would apply to this Parcel. If it was MCG or a low density district or HGO, then that would be required where there's a height chamfer. But because it's a multi-residential district already, which can go up to four stories, there's no requirement to actually have the height chamfer. So it's a push and pull about finding the right fit for this site given its geometry, while also having that active frontage, having that public realm setback, which introduces more constraints and challenges into overall building floor plate. Does that answer your question? It does. Thank you so much uh for those uh answers. Thank you. Thank you so much. Uh anyone else? All right, seeing none, uh any other members of the public wishing to speak? Seeing none, uh, we will close the public hearing. Can I go over to you, Councillor Atkins? Yeah, I'll uh I'll move the the motion and open. Okay, move by Councillor Kelly, second by or sorry, move by Councillor Atkinson, second by Councillor Kelly. Okay, awesome. Uh to Councillor Johnson, please. Yeah, will this building affect the green line north at all? Um, Councillor Johnson, in what way do you mean if it'll affect it? It's now what's it called again? Setback. Sorry, the setbacks right on the uh I was just looking at a previous photo. Um the setback right now for these buildings are further back, and then this one's gonna be up against the sidewalk. Um and I think I heard the goal for the green line is to go right down Center Street. Um will this building affect the green line building in any way? I'll defer that question to my colleague in mobility. Um through the chair, the green line would be accommodated, including the public realm setback as well. That's part of the the purpose of it as well as in uh improving the public realm in the area along the green line. So no concerns whatsoever with these No. going forward. Oh Okay. that's all I had to ask. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Yule. Hey you stole my question. Um the so the public realm is intended for green line construction. Um through the chair, it would be a it would be used for construction as well as public realm improvements along the green line to support it. Okay. And is a Green Line station intended to be in this location? Um I believe it's further to the south, uh closer to 16th Avenue. Okay. All right, thanks. Councillor Kelly, please. So about the Green Line North. No, I'm kidding. We're not gonna. I think we've we're building a Green Line North, everybody. Uh just wanted to ask a question about the existing DC uh zoning that's there. Uh because I've noticed it's not unique to this site. It goes up Center Street. I'm just wondering from a his historical standpoint, why why did we do this DC along Center Street instead of effectively what we're seeing a uh a zoning application for today? Councillor Kelly, the DC was approved when we were still using the previous land use bylaw, 2P80, and the intent of it at that time was to create a specific scope of commercial activity within that DC area. And because it's dated now, it doesn't align with our more modern council and LAP direction. So taking this back to a stock district just brings it up to date. Is there any plan to rezone the rest of it, like a city initiated rezoning to better align with the LAP? No, I don't believe so at this time it would be on a parcel owner by parcel owner case. And uh Center Street was one of the main streets, correct? That's correct. Center Street's an urban main street. And this aligns with that uh center street uh or the main street plan as well, correct? Yes, absolutely. Cool, thank you. All right. Um over to you to close, Councillor Atkins. Uh yeah, Center Street North. Um obviously Green Line North will be great when we get there. Um, but you've actually been seeing some of these developments. One block north of here at this location, there's a five-story building. It's got a little uh Rosso coffee shop on the bottom that's been actually quite successful and sort of staying open. And I think a big part of that is sort of the higher density that we're sort of seeing come into this area on the especially the north side of 16th Avenue. The uh connection to the Orange Max line right on 16th Avenue there, and the green line uh even bus in in the time being is a is a great asset uh very close by, and actually just a block south of here, you've got a a Safeway grocery store as well. So it's a very sort of walkable uh connected area, uh just just a couple minutes north of where we are now. So I think this uh this kind of uh density is pretty contextual to what we're seeing in and around the neighborhood uh and fits fits with uh where things are going. Closed. Thank you. Uh Madam Clerk, let's please engage the vote on that. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please. No. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion is carried 13 to 1 with Councillor Shabot opposed. Alright, colleagues, I'll move to the readings. First reading of bylaw 44 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Councillor Shabot is opposed. Second reading of bylaw 44 D 2026. Councillor Shabot was opposed. And that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 44 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Apologies, your worship, just confirming we're reading the correct bylaw numbers. Forty th forty-three D? 43D 2006. 43. It's forty-three D. Oh, that is uh my mistake entirely. I'm sorry, colleagues. All right, we're scrapping all of that. Moving to the readings of bylaw 43D 2026. First reading of bylaw 43D 2026. Anyone opposed? Councillor Shabot is opposed, and that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 43 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Councillor Shabot is opposed, and that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 43D 2026. Anyone opposed? Seeing none that or hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 43D 2026. Anyone opposed? Councillor Shabot is opposed, and that is carried. Alright, we will now move to 7.2.4. I was reading the 7.2.4 one. I mean it was a bit wishful thinking. Just kidding. Alright, uh, take us away, please. Thanks, Mayor Farkas. Everyone will understand your mistake as I get into my presentation. This is going to sound very familiar. The next item on the agenda is a land use redesignation application to allow for mixed use development. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 44 D 2026 for the redesignation of 3013 and 3019 Center Street north from the residential grade oriented infill or RCG district to the mixed use active frontage or MU2 district. Next slide, please. The subject site is also located in the community of Tuxed Park and falls within the plan area of the North Hill Community's Local Area Plan, or LAP. Next slide, please. The site consists of two parcels and is located on the northeast corner of 30th Avenue and Center Street North. It is currently developed with low density residential housing. Next slide, please. Surrounding development consists of a mix of residential, commercial, and community uses. Center Street is an urban main street and forms part of the primary transit network. It offers a wide variety of housing and commercial, retail, and medical services. Tuxedo Park is located across Center Street to the east and contains amenities such as playfields, skating rink, playground, and the community association facilities. The parcels are currently designated as the RCG district, which is intended for a variety of housing forms, including row houses and townhouses. The maximum building height is 11 meters, and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare. Next slide, please. This application proposes redesignating the subject site to the MU2 district with a floor area ratio modifier of 6.5, a maximum building height of 42 meters, and a maximum density of 708 units per hectare. Or, based on the site area of 0.13 hectares, would equate to 92 units. The MU2 district enables street-oriented developments with a mix of residential and commercial uses while requiring commercial uses on the ground floor to promote activity at the street level. Next slide, please. The subject parcel falls within the plan area of the North Hill Communities LAP. The parcel is located within the neighborhood commercial typology with active frontage, which is intended for a range of commercial uses in standalone or mixed use buildings where the ground floor must contain active uses that promote a high level of pedestrian activity on the street. The site is also located within the mid building scale area of the LAP, which allows for buildings up to 12 stories in height. Next slide, please. In closing, the proposed application would enable more housing choice, street activation, and amenities in this inner city area that is served by convenient transit options and proximity to downtown. As such, Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the land use redesignation. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you very much. Let's open up the public hearing and do we have the proponent with us? Thank you. Come on down. Afternoon, Mayor Councillors. My name is Steve Simon from Urban Opia Design Architects. I'm the person that submitted. I don't have a presentation, but if anyone has any questions, more than open to them. Thanks so much for being here. Any questions, colleagues? No, I think you may be off. Uh Councillor Penizopolis. Yeah. Yeah, thanks so much for the presentation. You know, it's it's uh interesting, your application came right after the one previous. Uh we're talking seven, eight blocks north, I think yours is. Um six stories, the previous applicant spoke of there's a general step down, six stories to three. And this is a twelve story to a single family home. Clerks, do you mind just bringing up that that uh screenshot? Uh thank you so much. So I just wanted to show, maybe just speak to that. So this is what's proposing a 12 story on Center Street, five, six blocks away from the one, down to a single family home. Same issue, you've got a lane, and if you scroll down. We just heard the the the ward Councillor say six stories contextually make sense, et cetera, in the neighborhoods. Maybe just talk to why 12 stories? Six you look down the street, it's all those beautiful six stories, it contextually fits, there's a gradual step down. Why are you jumping for twelve stories? How is that better for the community next to a single family home? Sorry. So just on the other side of the street to us, there is actually, so contextually, we wanted to match the height, the proposed height of the building that was just on the opposite side of the street. So in terms of the way that it would look urbanly, we just thought it would be nice if there was a matching development on the opposite side, on the other side of the street. So their one was proposed at around 12 stories, and so was our one as well. Thoughts on neighborhood context, or the only context, even though it's next to a single family home, that doesn't matter. Just that step down, that's a huge step, just talk through that. Like it's you know, the concept is. You know, a few months ago we approved something in Marteloupe. It was sort of seven, eight stories, down to six, five, three, and then down into the makes sense. I'm not an urban planner, but um so your sole purpose is it's twelve stories across the street, why not put one in this corner as well, irrespective of the neighbors. Yeah, because uh their development has exactly the same context contextual limitations as us. Um and so when we were looking at it, what we thought we could do is we this is not a this is a development permit issue, but we thought that we could actually use within the building, we could propose certain stepbacks and you know, as the building was changing within the site, as opposed to actually having it step down on the actual site. So there are ways that we can manipulate the architecture to actually create that kind of contextual, you know, stepping, but we we felt that we could do that within the actual architecture rather than lowering it and then trying to make it contextually all the same as or slightly higher than what was behind it. Yeah. Thanks so much for the presentation and answering the questions. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Uh any other Councillor Atkinson, did you want to jump in? Covered. Okay. Alright. Uh any other members of public wishing to speak to this? Alright. Going once, twice. That uh public hearing now is closed. Alright, I'm gonna go back to you, Councillor Atkinson. Um yeah, for administration, um just if you can speak a little bit more to sort of yeah, it's it's similar in some ways to the application that we just heard, but this area within the plan is slated for that sort of higher uh higher density. Can you talk about sort of the contextuality that Councillor Pantozopoulos was maybe just speaking to with the applicant? Yes. Thoughts around that. Johnson. So in the North Hill Communities LAP, this area is designated for the highest intensities of commercial, particularly on this block where it has that added layer of the active frontage, that little blue stripe that's on the map. So that's where it's deemed appropriate in the neighborhood. As for the land use that's being proposed today, that would allow for some sort of development that matches the intent of the LAP. There's no minimum statement there. So aligning the land use with what the LAP allows makes planning sense contextually. What is appropriate for height and what is appropriate for density will all be determined at the development permit stage upon review of the building form and the contextual or the local context. Um, maybe if we can go to slide 14. So just my my understanding for why it would be this way within the plan is this, and I may I I'm not sure if that's right. I want to confirm it's because of the proximity to the the future Green Line station there. Yeah, that's correct, Councillor. This map indicates that the future Green Line station is adjacent to Tuxedo Park there. So it the proximity would make sense again, and that's why this proposed land use is in alignment with the maximum that the LAP would allow in this location. Okay. Is there any concern like it's a bit sort of like Um, you know, w this is the plan, this is where we're going, but we know Green Line North, and this station is not going to be here for a while. Um, and and sort of what we're what we end up building today is not going to have this sort of major component of the Of the plan and the decision to allow 12-story here for quite some time, which then changes the usage patterns uh and the traffic patterns and and parking and these kinds of things that are likely going to be higher than at the point if this was built once there's a green line station here, it uh the folks moving in move in and s build certain habits around it. Is there any concern at all around this going forward with this height at this point in time without the supporting infrastructure in and around for mobility purposes? Before it looks like you're wanting something from Mr. Hopkins with regard to mobility, but I can say before he jumps in that the redesignation or the proposal that is before you today is to align with the LAP, which is our long term plan for the area. I'm not sure it would make sense to redesignate it to something that allows for less dense, less height, when all of those issues, based on the local context, can be addressed through a development permit that would occur, say, now. So if Mr. Hopkins you want to jump in mobility. Yeah, through the through the chair, I I mean I can't speak to height, um, but for the density it was reviewed. With this application and a TIA was not required, but the application could be supported, and at the development permit stage, we'd ensure that there's appropriate parking and bike parking and any improvements that might be required to support the development ahead of Green Line coming. Green Line will be a benefit once it comes, but we all know that's not for some time. So but we don't have concerns, at least from a traffic impact perspective, currently. Yeah. Okay, thank you. I'll let other folks ask. Thanks. Uh I see nobody else in here. Do you want to move the item? Yeah, I will move the item. Um it's this it's this is a tricky thing. We build our plans on the future, and we're in this sort of tricky spot around the infrastructure not necessarily being there, but this is it would also be a problem to have this site redevelop into something and then have uh city infrastructure, like major city infrastructure, come in at some point down the road and have a building there that is not going to be maximizing our usage of a very important uh city resource in the green line that hopefully comes in there. So it's tricky because you yeah, you want to make sure we should be trying to lead with the transportation and the amenity structure in and around. But if we end up building to something lower density, then we're actually going to be in some ways not best utilizing this future infrastructure that's coming into play. So I support it cautiously, but and I would hope that that a lot of work goes into the development permit that sort of recognizes where we are now and then where we need to be once the green line lands in there in the future. Alright, that's been second by Councillor Kelly. Just briefly debate it. I think that's a th thoughtful introduction. Let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I'm happy to support this, but uh I like your take on that, Councillor Atkinson. Councillor Kelly, please. Yeah, the the uh happy to second both this one and the and the previous one. The the previous one was three blocks from ward four, this one is two blocks from ward four. Um clerks, can you actually bring up uh slide five of the presentation? Um One of the things that I like about this particular application is it's filling in a gap. You can see there, it's the only RCG sites left on this side of Center Street. If we're talking about nodes and corridors, this is exactly where uh it needs to go. At the same time, I just want to note on here uh some of the development that some of the development that we're seeing in the area as it relates to the contextual uh is uh you can see down there on like 29th Avenue and 28th Avenue, there's MC1 for the entire rest of the block. And you can see that up on 31st Avenue, you're the the kinds of redesignations that are starting to come with the MCG there that's uh that's right off the the alley. Um This is how this part of the neighborhood is growing. And so I think that this makes a an absolute ton of sense. And I do also like the fact that this particular site, uh, in the original design of Center Street, it it was considered for this by the alley that separates these lots uh from uh some of the residential RC uh uh RC2 now, I guess, uh instead of RCG uh uh uh houses that are in there that are that are even densifying as well. That this is, I think, contextually makes a ton of sense with what's going on around it, including uh the uh regional park that's right across the street from it as well. Um so yeah, from a debate perspective, I'm I'm Super happy to support this. This is exactly where we should be putting this kind of density. All right. I think back to Councillor Atkinson close. Closed. Madam Clerk, let's please engage the uh e-vote on the recommendations and the readings of bylaw 44D 2026. Councillor Ewell, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Clerk, your vote please. Yes. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. That motion is carried 13 to 1. I'm going to move now to the readings of bylaw 44D 2026. So first reading of bylaw, or sorry, I should say motion was carried 13 to 1. Councillor Pentasopoulos was opposed. First reading of bylaw 44 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Councillor Panasopoulos is opposed, and that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 44 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Councillor Panasopoulos is opposed and that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 44 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 44 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Councillor Penasopoulos is opposed, and that is carried. Alright, we're gonna move down the street to 7.2.5, Land Use Amendments in Crescent Heights. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item on the agenda is also a land use redesignation application to enable a multi-residential development. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 41D 2026 for the redesignation of 301, 303, and 307, 15th Avenue Northeast to increase the allowable density on the parcel from 72 units per hectare to 111 units per hectare. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the community of Crescent Heights and falls within the plan area of the North Hill Community's Local Area Plan, or LAP. The site is located one block south of 16th Avenue and one block west of Edmonton Trail. Next slide, please. The site consists of three parcels and is located at the southeast corner of 15th Avenue and 2nd Street, Northeast. Each parcel is currently developed with a single detached dwelling and a detached garage accessed from the rear lane to the south. Next slide, please. Surrounding development consists of a mix of low density residential developments shown in yellow and multi residential developments shown in brown. 16th Avenue and Edmonton Trail are both urban main streets and form part of the primary transit network. Both streets offer a wide variety of multi residential housing and commercial, retail, and medical services. The parcels are currently designated as the Multi Ridential, Contextual Grade Oriented, or MCG District, which is intended to accommodate multi residential developments adjacent to low density residential development. The district currently has a density modifier of 72 units per hectare, which allows up to eight dwelling units. Next slide, please. The proposed MCG district, without a density modifier, would allow up to 111 units per hectare as per the base district, which equates to an additional four units over the three parcels. The rest of the district rules would remain unchanged. Next slide, please. The subject parcel falls within the plan area of the North Hill Communities LAP. The parcel is located within the neighborhood local typology, which is intended for a range of housing types and home-based businesses. The site is also located within the low building scale area of the LAP, which allows for buildings up to six stories in height. Next slide, please. In closing, the proposed application would enable more housing in an intercity area that is close to amenities and public transit. As such, the Calgary Planning Commission recommends that council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the land use redesignation. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you. Let's uh please open up our public hearing on 7.2.5. Land use amendments in Crescent Heights. Uh I see we have the proponent with us. So come on down, Lee. Thanks, Mayor and Counselors. I'll be speaking for this item and uh the next four items, so you'll see me for quite a bit. Uh so Camborough, uh your slide number seven, please. And I I could agree with uh the presenter more about uh this is uh contextually sensitive density. That uh aligns fully with our local airplane. Uh, if we look at this local airplane, our local airplane defines a lot as network local with a building scale of up to six stories. The lot is also within the elementary polygon and also the main street polygon. It's also very close distance to the Central Street Polygon. So we're talking about three main street. Uh there are many recreational and uh uh commercial facilities in the area. Uh public translates are also widely available within very close distance. Uh there are also existing, there are also many existing multi-retential uh development in the area. So uh with all these factors together, we think uh the uh this is a great spot for contextually sensitive density that can support the future groups of the city uh where we already have the infra infrastructure. We connect with the community by sending flyers to Redens within three blocks. Uh we also set up big signs on a lot and we also sit down with the planning committee. I'm just gonna jump in. I I apologize for interrupting you. I believe we may have the uh wrong map up on the screen. Oh, that that map works. Yeah, this is fine. Yeah. Sorry, please uh go ahead. Yeah, thank you. Sorry for interrupting you. I just get to the uh public engagement part. We sit down with the planning committee of the Pricing High Community Association. This community association is very diligent in providing their comments. So they provide a seven-page comments with the DP we submitted. Those comments are touch on the material setting, color setting, the roofing style, the uh uh privacy, uh privacy sheltering, and then all many other uh elements. So I comment the uh I applause the Committee Association's effort. Uh right after I meet with the planning committee, I push the density down from the uh 10 units with uh Bestman Street to nine units with nine Basement Street. The current zoning already allows eight units with at Bestman Street. So we are adding one unit with one basement suite here at this permanent spot. And also we provide uh during permit comments, point by point uh response to community associations uh comments. So um although uh you know we still couldn't uh clear the gap with the community association, but uh we really appreciate their effort and uh we'll continue work with the community association in uh the durant permit process. With that I conclude my presentation. Thank you. Thank you so much for being with us. Do we have any questions for the applicant? All right, uh seeing none, thank you so much for being here with us. Anyone else in the public who would like to speak to this item 7.2.5? Going once, going twice. All right, we will close the public hearing. I'm gonna go over to you, Councillor Atkinson, please. Yeah, um a quick question for administration on slide, if we can actually go to side seven again there. Um this is something I see sometimes in these in like the local area plan, but the difference we've got like on the on the left hand side the urban form and the building scale map on the second, and they don't it's not a one-to-one mapping, right? We've got sort of this area that's all along Edmonton Trail on the low up to six stories on the on the right hand side in the building scale, but where this parcel fits in terms of the urban form is on the neighborhood local side of things. Can you sort of uh help me put those two together a little bit? Thanks, Councillor Atkinson. I may start, but Mr. Frase from the LAP team may want to jump in if I say anything silly. The neighborhood local in this case is really speaking to the anticipated use and anticipated activity here. So as I mentioned my presentation, neighborhood locals really intended for different housing types, and any sort of commercial would be in the home based business. There isn't any anticipated commercial activity there. Whereas the building skill we're looking at Kind of creating that transition from the main street and then down to the center of the neighborhood that isn't kind of within that perimeter that's surrounded by the main streets. So I think in this case we're the map three, Urban Forum, demonstrates that commercial is intended to run along Edmonton Trail and then transition to more residential uses and that quieter activity versus building scale. The building scale for that first block that's adjacent to Edmonton Trail is still acceptable in the same size, up to that six meter, knowing that buildings of residential that are six meters are still gonna be quieter than commercial. So building form and the anticipated uses in the area don't line up perfectly because sometimes quieter uses can be in a same size building. Right, right. So it's more about the use and as that commercial difference between uh the one and the other. Um okay, that's uh I'll pass it over. I see another question here. Thank you, Councillor Kelly, please. Yeah, I just want to confirm here, taking building up where uh uh Councillor Atkinson was going here. The uh neighborhood local uh across the street from this is a single parcel, and kitty corner to this is actually the parking lot to Peters Drive In, correct? That's correct. Yeah, so it's not it's it's not a whole lot of it it uh what I'm getting at is the map on the left is a little on the a little on the weird side. It's a little misleading, I guess, is maybe the way I should say it. Uh not intentionally so, but just taking a look at it. I think that the map on the right uh actually more accurately represents what's going on in the in the neighborhood. Would you agree with that? For clarification, I would say that the map on the right, where it's yellow, which indicates neighborhood local residential, is not necessarily one parcel. It looks like it's about half of that block to the north. So the colors don't perfectly line up with property lines, but where intended activity is anticipated. Yeah, I think that if I remember correctly, the across the street from from this, it it it is a higher density building, though, and then there's only one sort of 1950s bungalow left on that on that block, is what I'm getting at. Uh cool. Uh nothing else for me, but I'm happy to second it when we get to that point. Councillor Dollywell, please. Thank you, Mayor. Just a quick question. Uh for clarification. Um the map on the left is sh showing neighborhood local. Uh this little star. On the right is the build scale. But why Let's forget about this star. Just go to the west of this star. It's neighborhood local, but it's still showing up to six stories. That's correct. But neighborhood local can only be three stories, isn't that correct? Um, I would have to defer this question to someone on the LAP team. I'm not sure as to what decisions went into that makes this block appropriate for the six story versus three story, so I'll defer to Mr. Frays. Yeah. Hi, good afternoon through the mayor. Um uh yes, you're correct. The uh neighborhood local um is indicating uh urban form type, the building scale indicates uh height type. The six-story height can exist within the neighborhood local in this case. That's the as Ms. Ganzar explained, uh the characteristics of the urban form don't necessarily equate one-to-one to the building scale. So you can have a neighborhood local with a higher building scale uh in this environment. And this would have happened through uh the engagement that occurred with the community and looking at this on a block by block basis, looking at the existing context, looking at what's on this on these blocks already, just to make that determination on the ground as we're going through the process. Okay. So it won't be uh uniform all across all the LAPs. It's it's local context based. Uh yeah, oftentimes it is. As we I mean we obviously don't want to um create a one size fits all solution for every LAP. We want to try to customize it to what's happening on the ground. And certainly in this case uh we've got a lot of different interesting things going on around it that come into play when we determine what what's the appropriate uh urban form and building scale. Yeah. That explains everything for me. Thank you for the clarification. That's it for me, Mayor. Thank you. Uh go to Councillor Atkinson and move it. Yeah, I'll move this. The um this area of sort of 16th Avenue, Edmonton Trail, Center Street has seen some pretty uh heavy development uh recently over the last couple of years. If you're seeing us sort of a lot of um six-story, eight-story, ten-story buildings in in and around along the corridor there. Uh while this is inset, this is a part of sort of the waterfall too. It's good to hear sort of the difference between in use, and I think that's something that it's good for my brain to wrap itself around, is the difference between the residential context versus the height context. Um, but uh I think for where this is, I think actually the point about Kitty Corner to this is a very busy, active Calgary hotspot in the Peters Driving Park parking lot. And uh, you know, having a couple more people that can uh Walk over and grab a burger is maybe not necessarily a bad thing. So uh I'll leave it there as my open. All right, seconded by Councillor Kelly and over to you, Councillor Kelly. Yeah, I just uh uh It's fine. The last three you've had, we wanted three blocks from Ward 4, two blocks from Ward 4. This one's one block from Ward 4. So uh maybe the next one will be Ward 4. It won't. We've I don't think we've had one in Ward 4 since I've started in six months ago. Uh yeah, I I just want I I really appreciated the conversation that we actually just had there around uh the difference between the built form and uh uh and the typology, uh, which is also explains a little bit for me when I was asking the questions about like why are we not just rezoning everything based off of our LAPs? This is the why, this is the why we we don't just do it and why we need to take a look at the LAPs uh uh when making these decisions. And when I take a look at this, this uh matches with what the LAP is, and as well as uh I mean, I frequent uh my bus stop is like one block away from here. So uh yeah, I frequent this uh somewhat regularly, and uh it makes a ton of sense on the ground in this particular context. So happy to second it and support it. All right, over to Councillor Atkinson to close, please. Close. Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote, please, on uh the sign. Councillor Ewell, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Jamison, your vote please. Yes. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Yeah, my e-scribe is uh being rather rude today. Um, yes. Thank you. Noted. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And that motion is carried unanimously 14 to 0. All right, we will move to the readings of bylaw 41 D 2026. First reading of bylaw 41D 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 41 D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 41 D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that's carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 41 D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried. Okay, let's move on to 7.2.6, land use amendment in BAF Trail, Ward 7. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item on the agenda is a land use redesignation application that would allow for grade oriented housing with a minimum density. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to refuse and abandon proposed bylaw 36D 2026 for the redesignation of 2435 23rd Street Northwest from the residential grade oriented infill or RCG district to a direct control or DC district. Next slide, please. The subject parcel is located in the northwest community of Banff Trail, on the southwest side of 23rd Street between 24th Avenue to the north and 23rd Avenue to the south. Next slide, please. The subject site is approximately 0.06 hectares in area and is currently developed with a single detached dwelling and a detached garage accessed from the rear lane. Next slide, please. Surrounding development consists primarily of single detached and semi detached houses, shown in yellow and orange. The Banff Trail LRT station is located approximately two blocks to the south, as well as commercial uses along Crowchild Trail, shown in red. The site is currently designated as the RCG district, which allows for a variety of low density housing forms, including row houses and townhouses. The maximum building height is 11 meters and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare. Based on parcel area, this site currently allows up to four dwelling units. Next slide, please. This application proposes a DC district based on the RCG district. The proposed DC district differs from the base district by precluding uses that could result in one or two unit developments by setting a minimum density of three units per parcel. The DC district also excludes uses that allow for one and two unit developments, such as contextual single, and semi-detached dwellings, duplexes, and cluster housing. Next slide, please. The subject parcel falls within the plan area of the South Shaganapi Community's Local Area Plan, or LAP. The parcel is located within the neighborhood local typology, which is intended for a range of housing types and forms that consider the local context, and within the mid building scale, which allows buildings up to 12 stories in height. Next slide, please. Upon debating the merits of the application and the recommendation from administration, Calgary Planning Commission agrees that the proposed DC district is inconsistent with the South Shaganapi LAP. The LAP does not set minimum densities or restrict low density residential uses in the neighborhood local typology as the proposed land use intends. For these reasons and those stated in the report before you, Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council refuse and abandon the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject parcel. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you very much. Uh let's open up the public hearing on this item. Uh please approach. Thanks you mayor counselors. So um for this specific file um I have been struggling Struggling quite long for this recommendation. Normally I would be in agreement with the administration and the Calgary Planning Commission, but respectfully not for this one. The reasons are below. This site is within 300 meters from the LIT station, 700 meters from the major activity centers, including Foothill at Lake Park, McMahon Stadium, and University Calgary. Our local airplane, being South Shaganape local airplane, defined the lot as network local with a building scale of up to 12 stories. The site is also within the Banff Trail station area's call zone. So this is typically, this is our typical nose and corridor development. If we go to slide number five, coming slide number five. So, as you can see from this slide number five, in the past, there have been many direct control approved for the exact same reason what we are doing now. The development permit for this specific project has been fully approved, and then there's no one appeal this project. And so far, the all the engagement shows there's only one opposition for the proposed development. So I again I respect administration's opinion of. Not like to use direct control to set up minimum density, but at this point we still have no other tools, no other zonings within our land use land use bylaw that can achieve that without triggering all the other reactions. So, with all the respect, I I think this case deserves some um uh consideration for reverse of the administration's representation. So You know, two um for the reasons I just talked about, including the closeness to the Sichuan station, closeness to those major activity centers, our local area plans clearly support high density at this location, and also the past uh project that was supported before. The only reason those projects can proceed is exactly because of direct control zoning. So with that, I conclude my presentation. I hope counselors can give it some thinking. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions? Councillor Atkinson. Um I'm just curious. Well, we've hit we've hit it, friends. RCG. Uh uh what are you planning on building here? So the current derived permit is a four unit with four basement speed. Sorry? Yes, I but like so it RCG allows a a a whole host of different types. This is a mid mid block site. Yeah. Um so like Procedure, sorry. We always have to talk about land use, not what's gonna be built there. Sorry, could you repeat the question? Oh, it was very common last that you yeah, we can't talk about what's gonna be built there, we can only talk about land use. Land use, yeah. Um yeah, that's fair. Sure. I'll leave it. All right, uh anyone else for the applicant? All right. Uh yeah, Councillor Kelly, please. Uh you had mentioned the the the other DCs in the area, but uh as you can see from the map, like all the other DCs are on corner lots. Uh wondering why like what are your thoughts there? Why are you equating those two things similarly? Yeah, so from the chair to Councillor uh DJ Kelly, I think that's a great observation. I think generally speaking, I would say uh for low density, if the if the uh building scale is less than three stories, four stories, I won't we won't even propose this project. And also, if we can also acquire a few other lot uh within this block, we might even propose for MCG, MC1, MC2 development. And even with MC1, MCG, MC2, we still need direct control to support setting up minimum density. So the um so the covenant will not dominate what we can develop here. So I do recognize the difference of uh what is already approved uh in the area, but also the um the building scale of this lot, I think, also need to play a factor here. And the the goal of the direct control is actually to set up uh minimal density so we can uh you know actually do uh you know what the RIP says uh they envisioned for this area to be. I I see what you're doing. Okay. Uh thank you for your answer. All right, anyone else? Seeing none, thank you so much for being with us. Is there anybody else uh wishing to speak to this item from the public? All right, um Going once, going twice. We're gonna close up the public hearing. I'll go to you, Councillor Atkinson. Yeah, just a couple questions here. So um this is for the land use change. How will the changes coming in around RCG and timing affect what what happens like with what gets approved today if this was to be approved? So I'll answer that as a are you asking in the context of repeal? Yes. Yes. Yes. So one of the qualifiers to maintain an exemption from the repeal was to submit a development permit for use that otherwise would have been not enabled through the original rezoning for housing. As the proponent has described, there is a valid DP already issued for four units. It's valid and uh confirming with the uh applicant we have no records of an appeal having been filed yet. Therefore, it qualifies for an exemption. Uh should council refuse this uh recommend uh approve this recommendation, it will retain its RCG post August 4th. Retainance RCG, but and the the development permit sorry has been issued. The development permit has already been issued. Okay. And so in the local area plan for this, if we go to slide seven there. Yeah, so this is once again one of those pieces kind of like the last one where we have a difference between um sort of the height, which is actually is up to 12 stories in this spot, but then it's in a neighborhood local. But to accomplish what Like this 12-story and under, we heard from the applicant that there's the this sort of uh incongruity between what is set out in the land local area plan and what can be built uh via the the zoning possibilities for this area, I guess. I'm trying to And you're asking how it how to reconcile this. reconcile these. Yeah, so so basically, whenever an applicant comes in for a redesignation, they communicate. Generally speaking, the land use uh permissions required to accomplish their development vision. And um when the applicant comes in and for this particular application, they described exactly what they were doing, and um it didn't require 12 stories. And in fact, after analysis, uh policy already and the land use already in place already supported what they were intending to do. And that's why we have the development permit issue, but why we're here today hearing and so in the local area plan, there is some verbiage around restrictive covenants, which there is a restrictive covenant in this area of Banff Trail. Can you sort of explain the approach via the local area plans and land use changes with restrictive covenants through the local area plans? So Council nor administration is beholden to a privately registered restrictive covenant. And so the direction within the LAP is to give deference to the objectives within the plan. The policy already enables what was applied for by the applicant at the development permit stage. Okay. Do we have a land use that would allow for what is being asked for in the direct control? Is there like a land use that has that sort of minimum floor? So the short answer is no. The only way to achieve a low density residential zone with a minimum density is through a direct control. So this the the requirements for direct control under section 20 are met for the use of a direct control. That has no bearing on administration's uh recommendation after analysis against policy and other Okay. Okay, great. Thank you. Okay, anyone else on this? I'm gonna go to you, Councillor Atkinson. Did you want to move the recommendation in the report or an alternate? I'll move an alternate. Yeah, this is it's it's a problem. We need to this is something we need to uh approach and we need to figure out. We need to create, I think, a a land use district. We have a couple of these areas within the city that uh sit under a restrictive covenant that was placed there by the city at a time before we did zoning. Uh Banff Trail, I live in Banff Trail, I know this restrictive quite well. It was put in place by the city of Calgary on the south side of Banff Trail. And so what the applicant is looking for is to place a this sort of direct control to establish this minimum density. Um and it is within our purview to sort of uh put through um land use changes, and so as we sort of saw, the it's been done quite a bit um within this area, uh direct controls um as a way to sort of modernize and bring the use up. Uh this is literally a A block and a half, actually like basically a block from the the Banff Trail C train station. So kind of towards what I was speaking to earlier in terms of making use of our stations better. I mean, I would I'm not sure that this is all that much better. Uh we're not talking about the 12 stories that is uh allowed within the local area plan, but it is better than the single house that is there, allows more people to live closer to a train station and make better use of that amenity. So I'll move this forward that is um to uh to allow for this direct control to be placed uh on the site. Thank you. Is there a seconder for that? Seconded by Councillor Kelly. So to be clear, colleagues, uh in our package, the uh recommendation was to refuse and abandon the abandon the bylaw. As an alternate, uh Councillor Atkinson has uh put on the table a uh Essential approval and giving of the three readings. So again, what we're voting on at this moment is or not. Well what we will vote on shortly is to accept the original application. It's not to uh refuse and abandon. All right, Councillor uh Kelly, please, on this. Yeah, I I was happy to second it. I won't be supporting it, but um the uh this at least gives it a chance, whereas uh uh previously with the with the recommendation it it it didn't have a chance. Uh I will agree with Councillor Atkinson from the standpoint of like this is tough here. Uh if the if the applicant had brought forward something like a you know an MCG or something like that, uh I this would have been a very different conversation. But uh I am not a fan of DCs for all the reasons I've said before, and I recognize why the applicant is coming forward with a DC, but uh I'm not a fan of just plopping down a whole bunch of DCs. I think it's uh to Councillor Atkinson's point, it's it's high time that we actually deal with the actual problem uh rather than just making these pockets of things that uh uh are at the whim of every council for henceforth, uh uh sort of thing. Uh, because right now, this kind of an approach to me doesn't do the community any any service. So, like I said, happy to second it so it has a chance on the floor, but I personally won't be supporting it. Alright, Councillor Shabot, please. Yeah, I I'm not gonna support uh what's before us now. Um I'm gonna support um if well I guess we don't have to make a motion to uh move the uh The alternate recommendation, but I'm going to support the administration's position on this one. That's it's similar to something that I saw in the past, essentially using our land use bylaw to uh make a case uh to Court of King's Bench to get a restrictive covenant removed. So for that reason, and not to mention the fact that it's a mid block eight unit, uh, which I wouldn't have supported as an RCT um type uh. Unit, albeit that kind of gets grandfathered anyways, but um at least at this point, this one way to uh maybe impose some additional restrictions. I don't know. We'll have to see on a go forward basis, but for now, I'm gonna know. Thank you. Anybody else? All right, um seeing none, I'll I'll insert myself. Uh no, I'm not happy with us being used this way to um Essentially assist with litigation. That's not the uh reason for us to be having a line use bylaw. Um it wasn't demonstrated why we should have a minimum density in that location. And I am warm to Councillor Kelly's argument as well in terms of uh being very open to uh better projects on the site. So uh with that, Councillor Atkinson to to close. Yeah, I I absolutely hear you folks in terms of these pieces. I just think that this is something, I mean, it this has been a uh something that councils of the past have been dealing with quite readily. Uh, and unfortunately, we have not developed a zone that actually allows for these sort of the the restrictive covenants to be dealt with outside of this one direct control, as we sort of heard from administration. So it's something that we need to we need to figure out because these were put in place at a point in time where uh there was no train station here, there was no University of Calgary here, there was nothing but a clear field looking out to the mountains from uh just behind the site. And so we have to sort of think about the time and the place, what is what is right for this in 2026. Uh I don't think we have the right tools in place, and so I'm proposing that we sort of use these these the direct control, uh, but I can absolutely understand. I just hope council will uh help in figuring out the path forward on how to do this in a more proper way uh in the future, whether or not this this passes. All right, uh we're about to vote on this, and it's to give three readings to propose bylaw 36 D 2026. It's not the recommendation in the package. The recommendation in the package was refusal and abandonment, the motion by Councillor Atkinson. Is to uh give the three readings to the proposed bylaw to approve it. All right, uh let's engage the uh e vote, please, madam clerk. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion has been defeated 5 9, with only counselors Johnston, Schmidt, Dallywell, Atkinson, and Yule in favor. All right, that concludes uh 7.2.6. Let's move now to 7.2.7. Thanks so much for being with us. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. My name is Nancy Sanborn, Senior Planner with Community Planning, and I'll be presenting the remaining six items on the agenda today. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to refuse and abandon proposed bylaw 37D 2026 for the redesignation of 811 28th Street Northwest from residential grade oriented infill RCG district to a direct control district to accommodate a minimum density. Next slide, please. The subject parcel is located in the northwest community of Parkdale. The site is generally situated north of Parkdale Boulevard, south of Foothills Hospital, and one block east of 29th Street Northwest. A school site is located about 100 meters or less than a two minute walk to the west, and neighborhood parks and natural open spaces are located just to the south and north of the subject site. Next slide, please. The corner parcel is approximately 0.06 hectares in size and is currently developed with a single detached dwelling. Directly to the north of the site is the Parkdale United Church and a kindergarten and childcare facility. Next slide, please. Surrounding development is characterized by single-detached and semi-detached dwellings, institutional uses, and open space. The site is currently designated as the RCG district, which allows for a variety of low density housing forms, including row houses and townhouses. The maximum building height is 11 meters and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare. Based on the parcel area, the site currently allows up to four dwelling units. Next slide, please. This application proposes to redesignate the parcel to a direct control district based on the RCG district. The intent of the DC district is to establish a minimum density of three units on the subject parcel and remove the uses of single detached, semi detached, and duplex dwellings. There is a restrictive covenant on the site registered in 1911, which restricts development to a single dwelling on the site. Next slide, please. The South Shaganapi Community's Local Area Plan identifies the urban form of the subject site as the neighborhood local category, which is characterized by a broad range of housing types and forms that consider the context of the local built form. The building scale modifier for the site is limited up to three stories. This modifier includes a range of ground oriented building forms, including single detached, semi detached row houses, townhouses, stacked townhomes, and mixed use buildings. While the policies of the LAP support the desired row house form on the subject site, the urban form and building scale modifier are intended to be inclusive of a broad range of housing types, not exclusive and limiting to only higher density forms. The LAP does not set minimum densities or restrict certain low density residential uses in the neighborhood local typology as the proposed application intends. The desired built form for this application can be achieved under the existing RCG district. Next slide, please. In closing, this application would restrict the type of uses allowed on the subject parcel and is inconsistent with the South Shaganapi Local Area Plan. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that council refuse and abandon the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject parcel. Thank you, Mayor Fargas. Thank you very much. Let's open up the public hearing on this, starting with the proponent, please. Come on up. Thanks. I'm going to make another effort on this. I know the chance is low. Why not? So if I can borrow your slide number seven, please. So if you look at the left side of this local airplane, this lot is defined as Nepal local, but across the lane is Nepal Fec. And then on the corner side of this block is Network Collector with higher, all those are with higher building scales. So this specific recurrent we are talking about is from 1911. I don't know what's the population at that time, like uh Calgary at that time, but definitely not like what we are now. So we are we are kind of close to get to two million, probably in the next few years or something. So, unfortunately, those kind of recurrents get frozen with the title. It's not, it doesn't adapt as like our land use bylaw and also our zooming policy. So we are stuck with a situation that although the look airplan has a general planning policy for the whole area and it envisions where they want the density to be here, there, here, and there, but we are not really researched lot by lot whether each lot has a recovery. So if we don't do that, I would say the the goals of the local airplanes likely will not will not be achieved if we don't do detailed research on how it will affect us. So in the past, uh the direct control is the tool we are given, that is not to Take advantage of the city hall or something. It's just the municipal government act, give the municipality the right to pass land use bylaw, whether this land use bylaw is to upgrade the zoning or set up minimal density. Like I said, I would wish I don't need to go through the direct control, but I go through the exact zoning that has minimal density in place. But unfortunately, right now we still don't, and I don't know the timeline to actually get that. So the last one is a nose and corridor development, and then there's no almost no opposition, but still we don't support that. But for this one, this one also the problem is approved, and then the it was appealed to SDAB. SDAB reviewed all aspects of this project, including the traffic, the density, the um, you know, lock coverage, the all those factors, and did and considered the approval is appropriate. So they upheld the approval from the administration. So now we are in the situation that the demand permit has been approved. SDAB also upheld approval. So this is a shovel ready project. But this shovel ready project. Cannot go ahead because anyone can sew us and then the project will be on hold for, you know, maybe in the core for years and years. What we're proposing here is not really to uh weaponize the city hall, but actually to restore some peace here. If is is considered uh multifamily appropriate for corner lot, then the direct control tells the residents here that is appropriate. So there's no additional fight in the court system. So I would say uh this is not to um you know weaponize the city hall, but to restore peace so people don't need to fight and then go into a lengthy, costly legal fight. And then uh for the builders, they might be have the pocket to spend on this project, but residents also need to spend money to fight this. Uh so um anyway, that's uh my um uh push for this project. I hope counselors can see the merits of the project and uh give us some directions for how we should do our future project. Um maybe uh if you suggest like we don't touch any law that has rich covenant, even though our planning policy says up to our story, up to six stories, still don't touch it if the rich government says single house only, and this 1911 rich covenant says single house only. So if you look at that, this whole area, if we just go by that standard, then no, then no one can actually get anything uh anything beyond that down. With that, I conclude. Thank you. Thank you so much. Anyone uh Councillor Kelly for the applicant? Yeah, just a question here. So 1911. I appreciate it's a very beautiful looking uh restrictive covenant, I have to say. Uh do you know who put this restrictive covenant on on the property? Like on the last one, correct me if I'm wrong, I think it was the city of Calgary that did it. But this one, um you can't tell by looking at it. Do you do you know who placed this one on it? So the chair to Councillor Kelly. So by looking at the Jewish Covenant, it seems like the owner who previously owned a big chunk of land within C area, they put it in when they subdivide a lot and sell the lot to the future homeowners here. And then I guess at that time, their vision is to have a single house for the land they sold. Yep, I I appreciate it. Um unlike what the mayor was saying earlier, I I don't feel that anyone's weaponizing this against us, but like we know now what's what's coming with these, and I don't think that we have eight votes around council to uh uh to to to do this. So I I applaud you for bringing it forward, but um here we go again, I I I suppose. Um thank you for bringing it forward and uh taking a big swing. Thank you. Alright, anyone else? Seeing none. Anyone else like to speak uh as part of the public hearing? Come on down. Hi Yes. Uh we will go first to the individuals in the chamber and then we'll go to the line. And I believe we have Gwen and Sandy who are on the line remotely, and we're gonna hear first from uh Margaret Fong. Um, this is fairly informal. I'm just here. Uh it I live maybe six houses away from this development, and I'm here to support my neighbors. There were 36 pages in the uh public submission. Also, I'd like to support the City Planning Commission decision, the Parkdale Community Association, and the Parkdale United Church, which is directly across the alleyway from this development, and all of them have said. Direct control zoning is intended for unique or complex developments, not for overriding restrictive covenants. It's an overwhelming neighborhood support that you refuse this application. Really don't know what to say, other than I thought my neighbors put through very well documented document. documentation. Um I will say to Councillor Atkinson that when I made my appeal in front of the Thank you. blanket I I'm gonna jump in it. We're just asking presenters not to provide commentary directly to a member council like that. Uh our procedure bylaw calls for comments direct to generally to the chair. We're trying to not make things personal like we can speak to of the issue and the merits. the rather than call out any individual person. Thank you very much, Mayor Farkas. So this is a a perfect example of what blanket rezoning would have accompl it ha would has accomplished is that we are taking a Property that has been used for rentals and a low-cost rentals, and we're trying to replace it with a development that appeals to higher people with higher incomes. But really, that's all I have to say. I really don't have a lot to add other than currently there's enough renters there that they have five bins behind the unit. They're all blocking the garage. I I can't imagine with four units where they're going to put all the bins. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Uh Ms. Fung, please uh stay there. I believe I have a question from Councillor Chabaufrey. Thanks, Ms. Fong. You said you're opposed to the application. The recommendation that's before us um from Planning Commission is is uh to refuse and abandon. Oh so so I agree with that. Sorry. Just just wanted to be clear. Thank you. Okay, thanks. That's all the questions I have. Okay. All right, uh we'll now move through the registered speakers. Do we have Gwen Geese with us? Yes, I'm on the line. Thanks. Uh please go ahead, Gwen. Okay. Margaret actually mentioned a couple of things that I'll mention, and the proponent actually said some things that tie into what I'm saying, so I apologize if there's a bit of repeat. Good day, Mayor Farkas, members of council. Thank you for your time today. My name is Gwen Ghiz. I live at 2908 7th Avenue Northwest, next door to the subject property, which is either 2904 7th Avenue or 811 28th Street Northwest, whichever one you're using. I am representing myself and my husband. My question to you is why is this land use application being made? The zoning at the time the development permit application was made allowed for the proposed development, therefore there was no need to apply for a land use change. In my opinion, the reason for the land use application is due to the restrictive covenant on the subject property and on ours, which does not allow for the proposed development. I know RCs are not within your purview, but bear with me. I believe that the applicant has actually made the RC relevant to the matter before us. The applicant stated that the RC poses an unusual constraint on the proposed development. While I agree that the RC is a constraint, it is not unusual. There are many in existence in the community and throughout the city, as you well know. The RC is intended to maintain a certain character within a community. And while not all homes on the avenue where the development is proposed. Pardon me, are single family. Densification has occurred at a measured pace to bare growth and with similar housing forms. The proposed development is out of context to the neighboring properties and does not maintain the existing character. Sorry, I apparently have a frog in my throat. Following the development permit application comment period, many neighbors, as Margaret Fong mentioned, voiced their opposition to the project, ourselves included. In addition, we hired a lawyer who issued a demand letter to the property owner and developer, basically, to uphold the RC. I contend that the applicant applied for a land use change as security in the event that the development permit was denied, in other words, to circumvent the RC on title. As stated in the submission from the Parkdale United Church, the intended purpose of the DC land use district is to accommodate developments with unique characteristics, innovative ideas, or unusual site constraints, hence the applicants use this term. LOC 2025-0183 does not qualify for this consideration. There's nothing unique or innovative about the proposed development as it's intended to be a standard row house, which is a legal discretionary use under the current land use district for the site. On the last page of the development permit issued to the applicant, the following is stated. This permit does not relieve the owner or the owner's authorized agent from full compliance with the requirements of any federal, provincial, or other municipal legislation or the terms and conditions of any easement, covenant, building scheme, or agreement affecting the building or land. Also, on page 21 of the SDAB report that was made available to us prior to the Development Permit Appeal Merit Hearing held in March 2026, it states the following comments are provided as a courtesy to the applicant and registered property owner. The comments represent some but not all of the requirements contained in the land use bylaw that must be complied with as part of this approval. There are many types of caveats and other agreements that can be registered on the title of the property that can restrict the ability to develop. The city has not reviewed or considered all instruments registered on the title of this property. Property owners must evaluate whether this development is in compliance with any documents registered on title. This brings me back to the original question why is this land use change application being made? Why are we here? Clearly, the applicant knows there's an RC on title and that their proposal does not comply with the RC. If the applicant had conducted the appropriate due diligence and followed the appropriate process, the first step would have been to address the RC on title rather than misusing the city's jurisdiction. One of the speakers at the recent blanket rezoning hearing from Trico Homes stated that he advises developers to check the title first, if there's a restrictive covenant, to steer clear. Maybe not his exact words, but that seemed to be the gist of his advice. Finally, and also from the United Church submission, DC zoning should not be used as a weapon by developers against the property rights of individual homeowners. This is an abuse of the city's land use bylaw which states DC zoning is intended for unique or complex developments, not for overriding restrictive covenants. The land use application was denied by the city as well as the Planning Commission, and I urge you to follow suit. Thank you. Thank you so much. I have a question from Councillor Kelly for you, Ms. Keys. Uh if I may chair, just because this presenter was all about the restrictive covenant to ask a restrictive covenant question. I mean she she prefaced that at the beg at the beginning of her uh her remarks that she knows. I'm gonna allow one question, Councillor Kelly. Well, one question. Okay. Um, Miss Geese, uh, if I pronounce your name correctly, I'm just curious. From the restrictive covenant, there's a line uh that I just wanted to get your sort of thoughts on that says uh that he will not erect or use or cause or suffer or permit to be erected on the said land any dwelling house that shall cost less than eight hundred dollars. I'm just wondering what your response is or your thought is on that particular uh phrase as it relates to restrictive covenants. I I think you're trying to trick me into uh uh stating the relevance of that in today's day and age and to make an analogy as to the relevance of the restrictive covenant. Thank you so much, uh Councillor Kelly, for that. I'll go to Councillor Atkinson, please. Hey Ms. Keys. Um you you sorry you mentioned your next door to the the property? Yeah. Yeah. So sorry, and this this is, I mean, this I I'm in I'm in Banff Trail, I know the Banff Trail Restrictive Covenant um better than I know this one here. Um but uh it's quite it is quite different than the one that I've seen. Um I'm wondering, are you under the same restrictive covenant? So your yeah, your property um just yeah, the the one that I in Banff Trail gives like a listing of all the addresses, like who you would have to go through, whereas I don't see that in the restrictive covenant uh for this property here. Um but yeah, you are under the same restrictive covenant on your property. We are, yes. Okay. Okay, great. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thank you. I'll go now to Sandy Claremont, please. Hello. Hello, Mayor Farkas, members of Council and Administration, thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Sandy Claremont. I'm a Parkdale resident. I live at, I reside at 2907 7th Avenue Northwest. And I'm here today to oppose the request to approve the land use amendment LOC 2025 0183 from RCG2 Direct Control. For the property now known as 811 28th Street Northwest, my reasons are as follows. One, there has been no meaningful engagement by the owners or their agents. The City of Calgary received 38 responses in opposition to this DC application and zero support in favor of it. Inconsistent, hand delivered, random notices asking for feedback is not meaningful engagement. Some neighbors received the notice, some did not, and one way communication is not engagement. The four adjacent neighbors, including myself, have lived in our homes for over 30 years. The owners of this property have owned it for 10 years. Not once have they ever engaged the community or neighbors in any manner whatsoever on their current and future plans for this property. Two, not one row house development in the community has required a DC rezoning. Examples are 2916 7th Avenue Northwest, which is two properties away, 25th Street and 6th Avenue Northwest, 32nd Street and 7th Avenue Northwest, 32nd Street and 5th Avenue Northwest, 500 Block of 32nd Street Northwest. Referencing land use map 19C, the only lot that has a DC land use designation is one that meets the bylaw requirements. That example is the Henry Development at 29th Street and Parkdale Boulevard Northwest. 3. This DC application is contradicting the city land use bylaw 1P 2007, which states direct control districts must only be used for the purpose of providing for developments that, due to their unique characteristics, innovative ideas, or unusual site constraints, require specific regulation. Unavailable in other land use districts. DCs must not be used in substitution of any other land use district in this bylaw that could be used to achieve the same results, either with or without relaxations of this bylaw, to regulate matters that are regulated by subdivision or development permit approval and conditions. Both the Parkdale Community Association and the Parkdale United Church wrote detailed letters to the file manager regarding their concerns. From the Parkdale United Church submission, the intended purpose of the Direct Control Land Use District is to accommodate developments with unique characteristics innovative ideas or unusual site constraints. LOC 20250183 does not qualify for this consideration. There is nothing unique or innovative about this proposed development as it is intended to be a standard row house, which is a legal discretionary use under the current land use district for the site. DC zoning should not be used as a weapon by developers against the property rights of individual homeowners. This is an abuse of the city's land use bylaw, and which states DC zoning is intended for unique but complex developments, not for overriding restrictive covenants. From the Parkdale Community Association submission. There is no legitimate planning reason to zone this property DC. It is being proposed only to facilitate the removal of a restrictive covenant against the wishes of the signatories to the covenant and sets a dangerous precedent whereby no community with RC protections in place can feel secure as they would be all vulnerable to this practice. DC zoning should not be used as a weapon against private property rights. This is an abuse of the city's land use bylaw, which states DC zoning is intended for unique. Or complex developments, not for overriding restrictive covenants. Finally, as noted in the Calgary Planning Commission decision, the City Planning and Development Group does not support this DC application, and the CPC does not support its DC application, and Remetton Council refused and abandoned it. And for these reasons, I too request counsel refuse the proposed application for the redesignation of 811-28th Street Northwest from RCG to Direct Control District. Thank you kindly. Thank you so much for that. Any seeing no questions for the remaining speaker? Anyone else uh on the line or in the chamber who would like to speak as part of the public hearing? Going once, going twice. All right. We shall close the public hearing. Can I go over to you, Councillor Atkinson? Yes, so I'm going to propose something similar to what we had last time. I feel like we are in deja vu. I think this is just, it's showing an issue that we're we're going to run into again and again and again within established communities. Restrictive covenants have been put on title by the city. In this case, in 1911, for a house to be built, $800 or more, which is what's what's been put forward. I'm pretty sure it's gonna satisfy sort of that piece of it. I also I I I also recognize you know the the concerns of community around sort of these restrictive covenants, but they do not have an age out. They're they are tied to title for forever in Alberta. There are other jurisdictions where restrictive covenants and their um have a have uh a time point of time where they sort of age out. And so I'll be putting forward this motion. Um it's shading a parking lot to the north of it for the for the church there. It's got access to a park space nearby, a school site. Um it's received uh a development permit for the construction of what's going on there. The the LAP um uh has guidance in terms of this is a spot in terms of where we are supposed to uh see this kind of development. So it fits within all of our planning purview. It's gone through an SDAB um challenge and um and has was six you know successful in sort of coming out the other side. So um I I I just I The idea that uh um the document from from nineteen eleven and what the site was at that point in time um When the local area plan, the policy, the municipal development plan, and what we need to be making decisions on in 2026 is problematic. So yeah, I I recognize this is a bit of deja vu, but uh but I think this is just showing how much of a of a an ongoing concern this is within established neighborhoods and something that we as council need to tackle. Uh and with that, I'll I'll open. All right. Second by Councillor Dalloway. Any further debate on this? And to be clear, this is moving the approval in the three readings. It's not the recommendation in the package. All right, over to you to close, Councillor. Yeah, closed. All right, uh, we're gonna engage the e vote on this alternative recommendation. It's to give the three readings to the proposed bylaw. Uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please. No. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. No. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion has been defeated. Four to ten, with only Councillor Schmidt, Dallywell, Atkinson, and Yule in favor. All right, let's move now to item 7.2.8, policy amendment in Ogden Ward 9. Thank you. The next item is a proposed policy amendment application to support low density residential development. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 11P 2026 for the amendments to the Milligan Ogden area redevelopment plan. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the southeast community of Ogden, north of Glenmore Trail and west of Ogden Road. The site is a mid block parcel located on 20A Street Southeast, just north of 76th Avenue Southeast. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 0.055 hectares in size and is currently developed with a single detached dwelling and rear detached garage. An existing bus stop is located directly adjacent to the site across 28th Street as well as along 76th Avenue. Next slide, please. Surrounding uses consists predominantly of single detached and semi-detached dwellings. A school site is located south of 76th Avenue, and a neighborhood commercial node containing a grocery store is located approximately 300 meters or a five-minute walk west of the subject site. The site is currently designated as the RCG district, which allows for a variety of low density housing forms, including row houses and townhouses. Maximum building height is 11 meters and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare. Based on the parcel area, this site currently allows up to four dwelling units. Next slide, please. This application proposes to amend the Milligan-Ogden Area Redevelopment Plan, changing the land use category of the subject site from low density conservation to low or medium density multi-dwelling residential. The low density conservation policy supports residential development in the form of single and two-unit dwellings, while the low or medium density multi-dwelling policy would allow the uses under the existing RCG district, including row houses and townhouses. A text amendment is proposed to further clarify that 75 units per hectare is appropriate on the subject site in alignment with the RCG district maximum allowable density. Based on the size of the sub sorry, I already said that. Next slide, please. In closing, this application provides for alternative housing forms in a developed area. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed policy amendment. Thank you, Mayor Fargus. Yeah, thank you so much. Uh we will now open up the public hearing. Let's begin with the proponent. And don't worry, I uh I wrote I was reading obviously the wrong bylaw earlier. It was very embarrassing. It's good. It's okay. We're gonna manage. We're gonna survive this public hearing. Uh please proceed, sir. Yeah, thanks the mayor. Still me. Hope I have some like on this. So uh this one is the second lot within the block. Um last two weeks ago, the review of the Black Resoning. I see motions come out to define the first three lot as cotton lot. Um so uh this lot is the second lot within the block, close to the public transit, 76th Avenue Collector Road, uh public school, and uh green spaces. The project was started in May of 2025 and undergo extensive public engagement. The current uh Milgin Olding area radio and plant only are singles or semis on this lot. The proposal is for minor policy amendments so fourplex can be built here. Next slide, please. If you look at this map, this shows uh this side is really close to uh quite a few public transit. The closest public transit is just cross road on the other side. There are also public transit uh by the lane or the block, and then there's also another bus uh on the road of 76th Avenue. I have to say 76th Avenue is uh uh a main collector road within the community. Uh also you can see the school green space playground here, and also close to other uh commercial uh establishments in the area. Next slide, please. So we uh contacted the community association on December 3rd and the WorldCount Office. The Community Association emphasized the importance of providing residents with clear information about the proposed development. In response, we sent postcards door to door to residents within 100 meters and had an informal conversation with residents at home. A project website was also established. Next slide, please. So on our website, we show the uh uh QR code that can direct people to the website. Next slide, please. And then the website contains information about basic information about the project with links for the Durant Permit join and also the ROP for the project. Next slide, please. So we received one written submission and three world comments were received. The website shows with it 12 direct sections and 15 page views. The comments we received are mostly in regard to density and building scale, parking, local traffic, and the concerns with regard to infrastructure capacity. Those concerns heard are being dealt with by designers through the DP process. Next slide, please. So the recent appeal of Bank Resonia and bylaw amendment, our RCG, still allows modular reduction of the first three laws. This is the second law on the block. Given the engagement effort and side allocation, we sincerely hope counselors can support this application. With that, I conclude. The owners is also present. They may want to make their own presentations. With that, I conclude. Thank you. Thank you. Colleagues may have general consent to conclude this item before we take our afternoon break. Uh seeing none opposed, uh we will carry on. Any questions for the applicant? Seeing none. Uh anyone else uh wishing to speak to this item? Seeing none, we will close the uh public hearing. Uh councillor Clark, please. Yeah, thank you very much. Um, Mr. Wang, a pleasure to see you. I know that we're not I'm not speaking to you directly, but just you you know. Um you know, we are on the other side of blanket rezoning. This is really interesting. And um if you I would just like to draw my colleagues' attention to a couple of notes here. Um I represent 17 neighborhoods. Ogden is overly represented in a lot of these applications. Almost well over 90% of them tend to come from Ogden specifically. I'll also have um hope that you'll remember we did not see a lot of individuals come from these communities to speak to the broader issue of blanket rezoning. They tend to come to my office andor to these hearings to speak directly to their concerns for their own neighborhood and the impacts of these kinds of developments. So that's where my sensitivity tends to come from on these greater great efforts have been made by the uh applicant uh over the course of my six months here uh to deliver better uh outcomes and relationships with community. But as it stands, you know, the hesitation around these sort of inside house, uh inside block sort of developments, there's still some unresolved concerns there, I think, for community. Um there's been over a hundred people who've joined the Carburn uh LAP process who are very interested, most of them from this area to deal with the LAP. So uh I suppose. vote as you see fit. I'm not sure that I will be supporting this application, but pardon me, that's my open. Thank you. All right, Councillor McClane, please. Yeah, maybe ask the administration, this feels very familiar. Like did we did this come before us f before in the past? Through the chair to Council McLean, nope, this is a different application. There has been many of these types of applications, but this is a new one. Yeah, the one picture of the back how they look very familiar. Maybe it was another time. That's anyways, thanks. Thanks, Councillor Chabot, please. Yeah, no, I've uh I've actually spoken against other applications in this area in the past uh for a number of reasons. One obviously is this is not even supported by by previous policy insofar as where we're trying to focus our RCG uses, which is on corner lots. This is not a corner lot, it's next to close, not not quite there. Um where where I have an issue is that there's uh having to make an amendment to the local area plan to me is is uh Is the the wrong wrong way to deal with these kind of applications. First things first, amend the policy, make sure the policy um is something that's supported by the community, and then come forward with land use applications. Once you've got the policy, this is opposite of that. This is cart in front of the horse. I can't support this. All right, uh we are out of uh speakers here. Uh Councillor Clark, did you want to move it to put it on the table? All right, uh moved by Councillor Clark. Uh Shabot, are you willing to second it? No. Is there a seconder? Seconded by Councillor Atkinson. Any uh debate on this? Seeing none, did you want to close on that, uh, Councillor Clerk? Closed. All right. Um Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote, please, on this. Councillor Johnston, your vote, please. Absent. Councillor Dollywall, your vote, please. Absent. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. No. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please uh display the result. On that, the motion has been defeated. Two to ten, with only Councillor Schmidt and Atkinson in favor. Uh we will be back at 3 50. Welcome back to Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the report. Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Councillor Atkinson. Councillor Shabot. Present. Councillor Clark. Right. Present. Councillor Dolly Wall, Councillor Jameson, Councillor Johnston, Here. Councillor Kelly, Present. Councillor McLean, Councillor Pantas Noted, thank you. Councillor Pantazopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Here. and Mayor Farkas. I'm here. Thank you, Mayor. Alright, I believe that we've just finished up 7.2.8 and we're on 7.2.9. Let's roll. Please go ahead, Miss Amber. Thank you, Mayor Fergus. The next item is a proposed policy amendment application to support low density residential development. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 12p 2026 for the amendments to the Milligan Ogden Area Redevelopment Plan. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the southeast community of Ogden, north of Glenmore Trail, and west of Ogden Road. The site is a corner parcel located on 76th Avenue Southeast, which is the main east west collector road through the community. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 0.06 hectares in size and is currently developed with a single detached dwelling and rear detached garage. The existing bus stop is located directly adjacent to the site on 76th Avenue. Next slide, please. Surrounding uses consist predominantly of single-detached and semi-detached dwellings. A school site is located approximately 200 meters or a three-minute walk to the west, and a neighborhood commercial node containing a grocery store is located approximately 500 meters or an eight minute walk west of the subject site. The site is currently designated as the RCG district, which allows for a variety of low density housing forms including row houses and townhouses. The maximum building height is 11 meters and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare. Based on the parcel area, this currently allows up to four dwelling units. Next slide, please. This application proposes to amend the Milligan-Oden era redevelopment plan, changing the land use category of the subject site from low density conservation to low or medium density multi-dwelling residential. The low density conservation policy supports residential development in the form of single and two unit dwellings, while the low or medium density multi dwelling policy would allow the uses under the existing RCG district, including row houses and townhouses. The text amendment is proposed to further clarify that 75 units per hectare is appropriate on the subject site in alignment with the RCG maximum allowable density. Next slide, please. In closing, this application provides for alternative housing forms in a developed area. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed policy amendment. Thank you. Thank you. Let's uh please open up the public hearing and uh we'll call up the proponent. My last one. So this one is close to the last one, except this one is a column lot. It also has a bus stop right beside the site. So I'll leave it to the council to decide what they want to do during the period when the local airplane is being developed. I do feel uh even during this period uh we still should allow uh certain lots that have strong merits to continue to be developered, such as this lot, which is a corner lot, and right beside uh public transit. So That's it. Thank you. Thank you for being here with us. Anyone else uh wish to speak to this? Hearing none, we will close the public hearing. Can I go to you, Councillor Clark? Yeah, happy to move it. Um happy to leave my remarks for close. All right, do we have a seconder? Second by uh Councillor Atkinson. Okay. Any further debate on this? All right, Councillor Atkinson, please go ahead. Yeah, uh based on this one, um, yeah, it being on a corner lot on a fairly major road, um, I I think that this sort of meets with the um the intention of RCG um uh within sort of the MDP. I recognize that we don't have an LAP in this area. We it's something that's that's being worked on, but we can't sort of stall things out just sort of based on not having those pieces in place. And and really when you're talking about being on such a sort of major throughfair in the community and being a corner lot, it seems like it meets the uh the Checks the boxes, I'll say, on uh on this type of development. Thank you. Councillor Kelly? A quick question for admin on this first. The zoning stays is RC RCG, correct? So I saw the nod, but the people online can't hear it. Thank you. And uh then the second question is just uh um the LAP is this one this is one of our ones that's currently in progress or just started. Yeah. Yes, um, the Carburn Communities Local Area Plan has been initiated. The first phase launched in March, but the anticipated final plan to council isn't until fall of 2028. Thank you. Uh yeah, I'll echo everything that Councillor Atkinson said. It's a corner lot. This is exactly the kind of place that we should be doing. Corner uh nodes and corridors we were focused on earlier. Corner lots now uh in front of us. So I think I'm happy to support this. Thank you, Councillor Shabot, please. Yeah, I see what I said last time cart in front of the horse. We don't have an ASP, there's an LAPM process. Um To me this is something that um should be done uh the L E P or the A S P A A R P L A P whatever you want to call it area structure plan, area redevelopment plan, or local area plan should be done before the land use amendment, which is why I can't support this. Thank you. Back to Councillor Clark to close, please. Yeah, thank you. Um I've I'm going to echo the uh The thoughts there of Councillor Atkinson. I mean, fundamentally that's how I felt about this coming into this application. In this case, it is a corner lot, uh, onto a main corridor with bus bus service. Also spoken with the community association and touch base with my team. Uh no real negative comments there, uh sort of supported uh as it would be by the uh community association there. So happy to support and and certainly folks uh vote as you will, but yes, please I'll support it. Thank you. Thank you for that. Madam Clerk, let's please engage the uh e vote on the recommendations. Councillor Ewell, your vote please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Jamison, your vote, please. Yes. You Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Chabot, your vote, please. Negative Councillor McLean, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion is carried 11 to 1 with Councillor Shabot opposed. I'm gonna move now to the readings of bylaw 12p 2026. First reading of bylaw 12p 2026. Anyone opposed? Council Shabot is opposed and that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 12p 2026. Anyone opposed? Councillor Shabot is opposed and that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 12p 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 12p 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, or rather, oops, third reading of bylaw 12p 2026, Councillor Shibot is opposed, and that is carried. I should note uh as I began to read the first readings, uh Councillor Wyness was present uh for those votes and uh participated. She's not eligible, Mayor Farkas, because she missed the public. Okay. Alrighty. We will move now to 7.2.10. Okay. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item is a proposed land use amendment to support industrial commercial development. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 45D 2026 for the redesignation of 7048 and 7052 Ferrell Road Southeast from Industrial General IG District to Industrial Commercial IC District. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the southeast community of Fairview, south of Glenmore Trail and west of Blackfoot Trail, and generally situated between the Chinook Mall Commercial Area and Deerfoot Meadows. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 0.5 hectares in size and is currently undeveloped, but does contain a general works and storage yard. Next slide, please. Surrounding development is characterized mainly by commercial and light industrial businesses under the IG and the IC district. A residential area with mainly single detached houses is located roughly 100 meters to the south of this subject site. Next slide, please. The proposed industrial commercial IC district is intended to allow for light industrial uses and a variety of small-scale commercial uses. The maximum floor area ratio is one, which is approximately 5,400 square meters for this site, and the maximum building height is 12 meters. The existing industrial general IG district is intended to allow a wide variety of light and medium general industrial uses and a limited number of support commercial uses. The proposed IC district would allow more flexibility to support a diverse range of commercial uses in addition to light industrial uses. Next slide, please. The MDP identifies the site as being in the standard industrial area, which encourages a mix of industrial uses at varying intensities and offers flexibility to the changing nature of industrial activities. This topology also notes that uses that support the industrial function of the area and cater to day to day needs of area businesses and their employees may be supported. The proposed IC district is consistent with this policy direction. Next page, please. In the Heritage Community's Local Area Plan, the site is identified as the Industrial General Urban Form category and is included under the Fairview Industrial Special Policy Area. The LAP envisions this area evolving into a well connected light industrial area that integrates a limited range of complementary non industrial uses that serve this employment area as well as the community of Fairview. Next slide, please. In closing, this application provides for increased flexibility for additional uses within an industrial area and aligns with policy direction. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed policy amendment. Sorry, the proposed land use amendment. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you so much for that. Uh we will open up the public hearing. Do we have the proponent with us for this? Loretta, is that you on the line? Hear me? Yeah, can you can you hear me all right? Yeah, please go ahead. Okay. Um, my name is Dwayne Smythe. I'm a partner at Shape Architecture. Thanks for allowing us to attend virtually. Um, I I just have a couple of comments to probably to add um to this um slight rezoning shift. Um obviously, um, as mentioned, this is a subtle shift from the IG industrial general district to the industrial commercial district. And um, you know, upon our reviewing uh city policy and the MDP, um Calgary 8 plan, we we recognize that this industrial action plan aligns closely with this shift. We feel that it supports small business growth and job creation while adding flexibility and removing limits on office and commercial uses, which is really important in this area. We also recognize that the appropriate transition sites are critical in these types of areas that bridge the residential areas and the major corridors that we're adjacent to. And really feel strongly that the local amenities that could go into a space like this through this shift will really support complete community goals. Thank you. Thank you so much. Uh any questions for the applicant? Seeing none, uh, thank you so much uh for being with us. Uh Madam Clerk. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Apologies for the interruption. If we could just confirm the name of the last speaker, please. Thanks. Dwayne, okay, thank you so much. Thank you so much, Juan. All right, uh, we will continue with the public hearing. Is there anyone else uh in person or on the line who'd like to speak to this? Okay, hearing none, we will close the public hearing on that. Councillor Ward, can I go to you? Yep. We'll open it up. Moved by Councillor Ward, seconded by uh Councillor Schmidt. Any further debate or questions? All right, over to you to close, Councillor Ward. Closed. All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's uh engage the e vote, please, on that. Councillor Jamison, your vote, please. Yes. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Yes. Councillor Dollywall, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Chabot, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor McLean, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. And Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. Yep. All the votes are in. All right, please display the results. And that motion is carried 14 to 0. We'll now move to the readings of the bylaw. First reading of bylaw 45 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 45 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 45 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 45 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. All right, we will move to 7.2.11, policy and line use amendment in section 23, Word 12. Thank you. The next item is a proposed land use amendment to support a materials recycling facility. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to propose bylaw 10P 2026 for the amendment to the Southeast Industrial Area Structure Plan and give three readings to propose bylaw 38D 2026 for the redesignation of 6020 94th Avenue Southeast from direct control district to a direct control district to accommodate a materials recycling facility. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the southeast industrial area of the city within section 23, which is generally situated south of Glenmore Trail, west of Stony Trail, and north of the Western Irrigation District Canal. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 7.4 hectares in size and has been operated by Calgary Aggregate Recycling as an asphalt aggregate and concrete plant for the past 20 years and recent expansion of a soil reuse facility. Next slide, please. Surrounding lands are designated Industrial General IG District and are developed primarily with industrial developments including warehouses, manufacturing, and vehicle and outdoor storage. The existing direct control district on the subject site is based on the in general the Industrial General IG district and is intended for light and medium industrial uses. The existing DC district includes the additional use of asphalt, aggregate, and concrete plant, but does not accommodate the recently constructed soil and materials reuse facility. Next slide, please. The proposed DC district is based on the Industrial Heavy IH district with the additional discretionary use of materials recycling facility. This new defined use of materials recycling facility allows the operator to bring in contaminated and non contaminated soil, hydrovac material, or similar waste and debris mixes from construction and demolition sites, while also recycling and cleaning those materials on site, which is a specific use that is not currently defined in our land use bylaw. The base IH district is intended to accommodate industrial uses that are larger in scale and may include tall stacks and large equipment with extensive outdoor activities. All regulations regarding building height, floor area ratio, setbacks, screening, and landscaping requirements are regulated by the base IH District. Next slide, please. A map amendment to the Southeast Industrial Area Structure Plan is proposed to change the site from existing I-4 Limited Service Industrial District to existing I-3 Heavy Industrial District to support the expansion of this operation. Next slide, please. In closing, this application provides for a you for a unique use that helps achieve goals set within the Calgary Climate Strategy, including reducing waste from landfills and minimizing carbon emissions. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed land use and policy amendment. Thank you. Thank you. Let's open up the public hearing on this item. Do we have the proponent with us? Thanks for your patience. Uh please approach. Thank you, Mayor Farkas and Council. My name is Jennifer Dobbin. I'm the applicant on this file, and I have with me Travis Powell, who's the president of Calgary Aggregate Recycling. I just wanted to go through my slideshow quickly and give you a little more information on what is operationally on the site because it's an unknown use that's been written specifically for what they're doing there. So I want council to be aware of what's being done on the site. My apologies, I'm going to put your clerks through a bit of a test here, but I have slide one. I'd like to show you a piece of paper, is slide two. After this morning's discussions, I just wanted to be clear for council that as an industrial heavy user, there's no nothing in the restricted uses. Child care, daycare, medical clinic, hospital. If you wouldn't mind, uh please just speak right in front of the microphone. Yeah. Yeah, I just wanted to let council know that there are none of the restricted uses within 300 meters of this site as an industrial heavy, so there's no child care, daycare schools, medical clinics, hospitals, or residents within 300 meters. And I think with council's conversation earlier this morning, that might be important information. Next slide, please. Thank you, Clerk. So this site has historically operated as the asphalt aggregate and concrete plant that processes products for reuse. So they are crushing gravel into different sizes for reuse. What is new is the reason for this application is the addition of the materials recycling facility, which is a wash plant for aggregates. So specifically, it focuses on soil and construction material processing and washing for reuse. So this redesignation ensures that the land use properly reflects the full scope of operations. Next slide, please. This slide shows the materials recycling facility equipment. This is a unique facility. There's only two in North America that are doing this work. This is a specialized operation that processes incoming materials and separates them into reusable components. As there are no similar operations described in the land use bylaw, a direct control guideline was required. Next slide, please. This slide lists the inputs to the operation. These include excavated soils and construction related materials that would traditionally be sent to a landfill quite far outside of the city of Calgary. All materials coming onto the site are tested and prohibited materials are rejected from processing. The list of rejected materials are on the right. Instead of disposal, accepted materials are brought to the site for processing and washing to generate reusable materials. Next slide, please. The outputs of the facilities are recovered usable materials. These include aggregates, or what we would commonly call gravel, and sand, and fine materials that can be reused in construction, landscaping, and other applications. This transforms what would be waste into usable products. Next slide, please. These recovered materials are then returned to the market. They use locally in construction and related industries, reducing the need to improve or mine new materials. This supports a more efficient and local supply chain. Next slide, please. This is a closed loop system. I note that this parcel is not serviced. There's no water coming in from City of Calgary and only controlled one time discharge into the sewer system when we had a little bit of extra water, but normally they're not discharging at all. It's all a closed loop. They use their hydrovac water, water collected on the site, and water that's privately purchased to operate their materials. This reduces waste, conserves resources, and improves overall system efficiency. In their first three years of operation, Calgary Aggregate has diverted 360,000 tons of material from landfills. Next slide, please. These operations on the site are directly aligned with the city's climate strategy pathways policies, including consumption and waste reduction, targeting increased landfill diversion. This facility is directly contributing to recovering materials. Carbon reduction by reducing the need for virgin material extraction and long distance hauling, emissions are significantly reduced. And water adaptation. The facility reuses stormwater and the hydrovac water in its processes and reduces reliance on municipal water systems. Next slide, please. My apologies, this is a duplicate. Next slide. In terms of measurable impact, the operation achieves significant greenhouse gas reductions. This is done by shortening the transportation distances. On this map, you can see typically these waste materials have to go to a class two landfill. The nearest one here noted is Newell, which is 180 kilometers away. So we're reducing transportation distances, reducing the need for mining more gravel and aggregates, and minimizing the hauling of waste and raw materials. Combined, this results in an approximately 93% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions compared to traditional methods. Next slide please. We did undertake direct engagement with 16 neighboring industrial businesses, including email outreach, engagement website, and in person meetings. Key concerns that were raised were with regard to dust mitigation and site access. To address the dust concerns, Calgary Gagat has begun sweeping 60th Street. This resumed in the spring, and the proposed driveway change has been deferred for future consideration. Thank you. You're unfortunately just at time, but uh Councillor Kelly might be uh intrigued to know if you want more. If you have more. Councillor Kelly is intrigued. I'm really enjoying this. Could you give me the rest of your presentation? All I had was in closing, this redesignation ensures that the land use properly reflects an innovative operation that supports Calgary's goals for waste diversion, emissions reduction, and a more circular low-carbon economy. So we ask for your support of this application and we're happy to answer any questions. Your worship, I that was such a great, thorough presentation. I don't really have any questions, save one. Is the recycling facility uh currently in operation? Just taking a look at the photos, it looks like it is. And I'm just curious how that squares with a request for a land use redesignation at this point. Am I asking the question that you hoped nobody would ask? No, no, I was prepared to answer that. Um initially they had put in a development permit and became very overwhelmed with the r response from their from the initial application. Um and then they contacted me and I got involved with it and we brought it all up and made the applications. Initially, too, when we did do the application, uh, and even prior to the application, because it's aggregate processing, it's no different than our crushers and screeners that we've had on site for and it's more than 20 years. Calgary aggregate's been on that land for 35 years. Uh I purchased that business in 2018. In my eyes, it's aggregate processing. In uh other people's eyes, it's a different uh you know, a thing entirely. It's screens, it's loaders, it's the exact same equipment that I've ran on that site. And then we got a uh complaint and that's when we engaged with Jennifer to uh get all of our stuff in compliance. Got it, I understand. Thank you so much. And again, excellent presentation. I really uh I really enjoyed all the context that you provided there. Thank you. Thank you. Uh anyone else from the public wanting to speak to this? All right, come on up. Good afternoon, uh your worship, members of council, Chris Davis for the record. I'm here um on behalf of a numbered company that's in a similar business. And I'm not here to speak about the competitive issues, but about the planning issues that are before you. So I act for 114 365 Alberta. Um this company uh is one of a number of unique companies in the Calgary area that are doing things similar to the applicant, which is trying to divert uh material from. uh landfills and also uh involved in the uh infrastructure um uh revelation business. Uh they go out and they use hydrovax to uh open up uh utility lines and expose uh infrastructure without causing damage. And as a result of doing that work, uh they're under pretty significant regulatory requirements because when you're in using water to expose utility infrastructure, you also often find uh hydrocarbons and other fluids because hydrocarbons migrate along utility lines because it's disturbed soil. And as a result, they have to go through pretty rigorous site requirements. When they bring their material back to their site, they have to have special ponding and areas to segregate the contaminated material. They've got to have it tested, and it's quite a process. So, really, what I've been asked to do today is to come before you and say, we support what they're doing, we support that they're the applicants trying to come into compliance. They're moving from what was before industrial general, which had some fairly rigorous requirements for stockpiling, maximum five meters. Now they're moving into industrial heavy. There's less stringent requirements, and there's more probability of external implications. So dust, noise, sound. That's why they're in industrial heavy with direct control guidelines. And so gradually this business is migrating, and the questions we have today are challenging ones for the site. When we looked at the site plan, we had difficulty determining where they're locating their on site stormwater management. And we also had difficulty determining Exactly what is going on on the site and maximum piles and stockpiling. So we just want to make sure that the business in Calgary, as regulated, is a level playing field. We recognize there's a development permit that's currently underway for the same site, and that probably the details will have to be. Teased out in the development permit process, but we also wanted to make council aware that it's not a benign application, it's one that's deserving of some scrutiny and certainly some direction to administration on the DP side that it's important to look at the on-site stormwater management, the on-site management of contaminated fluids, and how stockpiling might occur, because it has become an issue in some sites in the Southeast Industrial. We checked the maps. I I struggled to see where the changes were occurring in the maps that were proposed, but that's perhaps the other item, which is the Southeast Industrial Plan Amendment. But if that's also concurrently before you, um I just ask that you take a close look at the maps and what's being changed because. Uh when I looked at it, it seemed to be going in the wrong direction. So those are my comments. Thank you very much for your attention and uh if there's any questions I'm available. Thank you so much, uh, Mr. Davis. Uh I'll throw myself in. Uh what kind of direction are you looking at uh in terms of the DP? Uh only it because it's direct control, um, there's very limited avenue of appeal. So anytime a direct control bylaw is approved by this council, the only appeal that one can have is whether or not the applicant failed to follow the direction of counsel. So, to the extent that a direct control bylaw is explicit. There's probably very little that one can do to raise an appeal. My client is not an immediate neighbor, so they would have difficulty saying they're an affected party, but what they wanted to do was simply say, as an industry player, they're aware of the things that have to happen on these sites. And it was a bit surprising to look at both the DP and the material that's before you today and not see where there is the on-site stormwater management is occurring. So I raise it as a question, and it could be simply an addition to the direct control to say that stormwater management will be managed on site in accordance with the direction of administration. And there really will be little opportunity for my client to do anything about it if it's approved in its current format. Okay. Thank you so much for being here with us. Thank you. Anyone else? All right. Uh any members of the public wishing to speak to this? Seeing none, uh, we will close the public hearing. Any uh maybe I'll ask the uh question of administration. Do you have any thoughts on what Mr. Davis had uh suggested there? Your worship your worship Lawrence Wong with Development Engineering just uh pulled up the development permit and um yes, we are asking for information on the stormwater retention. Uh we are asking for a site servicing plan. Uh so for these uh um commercial industrial sites, we do require that they maintain, retain stormwater on site, uh, and that it needs to be managed. And uh, if they need to discharge to the city's storm system, it will be at a prescribed rate. Yeah. Thank you. Over to Councillor Warness. Thanks. Um Are we looking at coming up with a zoning code so that all players in this field have an equal uh understanding of policy and and what it takes to get approval for this? So it's if if we're doing DCs and we just had an applicant that or uh someone speak who's in the industry, uh I don't know if they have come before counsel or not, but this seems to be where industry is moving in recycling aggregate materials. How do you make sure that we're not always DCing this? So through the chair to Councillor Rennes, that could be something that we looked at if we continue to get more applications. How this currently worked and why we needed a DC is they they had their Asheville aggregate and concrete plant. And that is a discretionary use within the IH district. So that could have been operating under the IH district or the current DC that they have, which added that additional use. What changed was when they bring in these materials and not just store them on the site, so a lot of the current uses would store it, and that would actually be called a waste storage site, which we have that definition in our land use bylaw, and that's typically under an SCRI district, so a special purpose district. However, those materials are usually stored and then transported to another parcel. Um, whereas in this case, the materials are brought in, stored, and then also recycled and cleaned on um the property. And that was really the distinction on we don't have that use in our land use bylaw yet. So um, you know, if that's something that continues um to be Brought forward more and more, then that could be something that our land use bylaw team looks at. But right now we had to create that special definition for this property. Yeah, because i I've toured enough like recycling i in the north and I I feel like that there is a trend in this direction and so um this is probably something we'll have to give the administration a direction on because I I don't like how this application comes and now we have concerns about site mitigation. Uh uh and the height of the piles. So are we still capping the height at the same, was it five meters, or will they still be able to go higher? It can go higher because the IH district does not have a restriction on stockpiles, whereas the IG district has a restriction of five meters on the stockpiles, and the reason for that is the IG district. Tends to allow more flexible industrial uses. It can allow a range of industrial uses, even allows some commercial uses. So when we look at IG, we look at more of those compatible interfaces. Whereas the I age districts is intended for larger scale operations, so we don't have the same outdoor height requirements. But based on the assessment of this area, that really the surrounding area is predominantly larger scale industrial uses, manufacturing, outdoor storage. There was not a concern on the impacts of the stockpile heights at this location. I know that the applicant has. And that again, this is would be at the development permit stage about screening the stockpiles, locating them central to the site and not on the periphery of their site adjacent to other properties. So um, but sh sorry, short answer, the IH district does not have a stockpile. Restriction. Thank you. Thank you. Can I go to you, uh Deputy Mayor Jameson? Open. All right, that's been moved by uh Deputy Mayor Jameson, seconded by uh Councillor Clark. Any further debate or discussion on this? Back to you, Deputy Mayor. Yeah, I just think uh I think the questions are good. I think the due diligence is important. Um, you know, I I think that uh I believe that the company wants to run a you know successful, responsible uh, you know, recycling business. And and I I do support anything that keeps construction material out of landfill. So, you know, this this innovation is a great thing, and hopefully we see we can see more of it. But I I do hope that um the admin uh looks at some of these concerns and we can have proper mitigation in place. And uh so uh I will be supporting this and uh closed. All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's please engage the e vote on the recommendations and note that these are two sets of bylaws. Councillor Jamison, your vote, please. Yes. Yep, Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Dollywall, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Atkinson, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Johnston, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And that motion is carried uh unanimously 14 to 0. We'll move now to 7.2.12. Oh my gosh. I something is off today. Oh my god, we we we do bylaws here. In public hearing meetings, we read bylaws. Bylaws and bylaws, all. It'll take me, I think, three and a half years to find that out. So, all right. First reading of bylaw 10p 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 10p 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 10p 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 10P 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. First reading of bylaw 38 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 38 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 38 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 38 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Okay, we are finally ready for 7.2.12. Take her away. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The last item is a proposed land use amendment to support mixed use development. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed sorry, next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 39D 2026 for redesignation of 1210 Copperfield Boulevard Southeast from Commercial Neighborhood 2 CN2 District to Mixed Use Active Frontage MU2 District. Next slide, please. The site is located in the southeast community of Copperfield on the corner of Copperstone Road Southeast and Copperfield Boulevard Southeast. Next slide, please. The site is approximately 0.33 hectares in size and is currently undeveloped. The site is surrounded by three roads and a paved lane. The site is also adjacent to an existing bus stop with transit service to the downtown core and the Somerset Bradlewood LRT station. Next slide, please. Surrounding development includes three-story townhouses designated under the multi-residential at grade housing or MG D 55 district to the west, and single detached dwellings under the residential low density mixed housing RG district to the south and east. The subject site is approximately 160 meters or a three minute walk from Copperfield Elementary School and 380 meters or a six minute walk from the Copperfield Community Center. The existing Commercial Neighborhood 2 district is intended for small-scale commercial developments with a maximum floor area ratio of one and a maximum building height of ten meters. Next slide, please. The proposed mixed-use active frontage or MU2 district accommodates a mix of commercial and residential uses in the same building. The building modifiers proposed for the site include a maximum building height of 13 meters or approximately three stories and a maximum floor area ratio of 1.2, which equates to approximately 3,900 square meters. Commercial uses are required at grade, and rules within the MU2 district promote a street oriented, pedestrian friendly development. The proposed amendment is in alignment with the East Mackenzie Area Structure Plan. Next slide, please. In closing, this application provides for increased residential uses while maintaining the commercial function of the subject site and encouraging a more walkable design. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed plan use amendment. Thank you. Thank you so much. We will open up the public hearing on this. Do we have the proponent with us? Thanks. Please approach. Hello again, Mayor Farkas and Councillors. Nice to see you again. Again, Mitchell Martins from Rick Balby Architect, representing on behalf of the landowner for this land use amendment. I do have a short presentation for you today, but would like to start with a bit of background on this file. We had previously applied for a development permit on this site back in 2021 for a two-story mixed-use development, but as we were approaching our building permit submission, inflation was really on the rise at that time. Cost of construction saw a huge increase in both labeled materials and labor. Around this time, the city was also seeing quite a spike in residential redevelopment and densification throughout various communities, responding to that rising population. These various factors really didn't make the project feasible for the landowner anymore. And in order to achieve a viable project, a third story with additional residential density was incorporated. While the subject's site had been considered for mixed use development for numerous years under the previous policy, the existing zoning did not permit the building design parameters we were aiming for. Next slide, please. As described by administration, the site is located in the Copperfield community, bounded primarily by single family dwellings. However, there is a multi residential townhouse development to the west and Copperfield School in close proximity as well. Site is accessed through lower traffic local roads with Macyber Boulevard to the northwest and Stoney to the south. And there's also a Calgary Transit bus stop for the routes 151 and 153 directly east of the site. Next slide, please. Our original submission of this development proposed a C Corps 1 commercial corridor land use with a 13 meter maximum height and a floor area ratio of 1.2. While this land use district generally permitted the proposed development, there were limited requirements for street frontage and adjacent parcel screening, as well as restrictive setback requirements that conflicted with an existing utility right away bordering three. Property lines of the site, which did lead to several bylaw relaxations. During our file review, concerns were also raised about the development in relation to privacy, increased traffic, parking limitations, pedestrian safety, and noise. Next slide, please. We carefully reviewed the concerns voiced and provided responses to each of these items in a mail out letter that was delivered to each of the 12 residences shown on the screen directly by the landowner. The letter detailed how we approached each of these issues through site design and relation to the surrounding context, such as screening through landscape along the South Property Line, on site parking and transit access, and connection to the existing pedestrian network around the site. To date, neither the landowner nor our office has received any responses or additional comments from adjacent residents. Next slide, please. Through our file reviews with administration, it was determined that the proposed development could be better supported by moving away from the C Core 1 district, instead, proposing the MU2 mixed-use active frontage district with the same height and FAR modifiers. The MU2 district allows more commercial active frontage, supports densification and intensification of commercial uses, and provides less restrictive design measures for sites with other constraints such as utilities, grading, and vehicle access, all of which this site are impacted by. The site had been reconfigured not only to address resident concerns, but also to improve several aspects of the development, such as the interface with the public realm, carefully considered and enhanced through landscaping, clear pedestrian access, and the amenity areas along the front. Increased attention to vehicular loading, visibility, and access, which resulted in a relocation of our proposed loading stall from the edges of site adjacent to the south lane inside the site. This approach minimizes vehicular usage of the lane, reduces connectivity across the substantial grade differential, and provides opportunity for increased landscaping. Which we also provided along the South Property Line, which are proposed as mature trees, which will provide immediate screening of residential uses from both within and outside the site at the time of planting. We believe the proposed land use amendment will support a controlled intensification of the copper field community, providing local street oriented commercial uses for the community, and additional residential uses to support the ongoing need for housing. Thank you for listening, and I welcome any questions you may have. All right. Over to uh Deputy Mayor Jameson, please. Thank you, Mayor. How you doing? So can you just quickly describe? So you guys heard uh I believe there's five main uh resident concerns. Yes. Uh there's uh privacy concerns, increased traffic on the street, parking, increased noise, pedestrian safety, which is a big one, and lack of a buffer zone. So Do you feel like um all of these have been mitigated? This I'm extant, yes. Okay. Yeah. Um specifically um the uh the pedestrian one, I'm just wondering pedestrian development, like how how how is that one specifically mitigated? So at the front of the site, we made sure to provide wider walkways leading to each of the commercial units along Copper Stone Road. And then also coupled with the landscaping we're providing, we're making sure that it's not creating any visibility issues to the street so both vehicles and pedestrians can see each other. And then there were some concerns about safety crossing the roads, but there is existing crosswalks around these intersections. Right? Now, did you get any feedback at all um after you've made these changes? No, we did not. So you don't know if the original complaints were happy or or not happy. We heard nothing, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um and essentially you you're you're raising um well the original was 10 meters, so you're asking for another three meters Yes. to 13 meters. Yes. Which is uh I don't know, it's not even a story. Yeah. So we were able, yeah, we were close to achieving three stories under the 10 meter original requirement under CN2, but it was just a little shy. So Yeah, so this six foot increase gets you that third story, so that you're allowed or you're able to do the commercial on the bottom. yeah, we have commercial main floor with two stories of residential above. I don't I don't know if you have this this information, but uh do you know how many units this is uh going into? Uh trying to jog my memory here. I think we're around 28 to 30, I believe. Yeah. And uh what's the parking ratio? This one. I might have to defer to administration if they could look at this possibly. Actually, we we can't interact that way. No. Oh, okay. Sorry. My apologies. Um I can I can ask him in. and it and it's largely development permits. So it's Yeah, that's kind of a lot a little bit a lot. All I can say is we were meeting the requirement. parking is land use. Yep. Yep. Yeah. All I can say is we weren't requesting a relaxation on parking. Very good. Yeah, that's all questions. Thank you. All right. Uh anyone else for uh the applicant here? Seeing none. Uh anyone else wish to speak for the public hearing? All right, the uh public hearing is closed. Uh could I go back to you, Deputy Mayor? Sir. Real real quick, uh i administration. Do you have the parking ratio? Through the chair, St. Libatelier, I would say I did not prep for the parking ratio as that is a development permit matter and not a land use. Um so I can look it up, but as the mayor mentioned, it's really a a DP issue. I can confirm that the applicant was not looking for a relaxation. Understood. Understood. Okay. Well, do I officially open this then? Yeah, would you like to move the item? I would like to move it. Sounds good. Yeah. Rock and roll. Okay, I move it. Okay, uh seconded by Councillor Yule. Good. All right, uh, any questions or debate on this? Okay, seeing none, back to you, uh Deputy Mayor, please. I support this. Closed, thank you. Yeah. All right, uh, let's engage the vote, please. Councillor Ewell, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you, Councillor Johnston. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote please? Yes. Thank you. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 14 to 0. Let me Just verify that I'm reading the right bylaws and that we are gonna read bylaws. We got bylaws. I think these are the last bylaws. All right. First reading of bylaw 39 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 39 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 39 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 39 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Whew. Alright, that finishes section seven. I don't think we have any other business, uh, Madam Clerk, unless there is an administrative inquiry. There is one, Mayor Farkas. We've received an administrative inquiry from Councillor Chabot, so we will display that for Council. Okay. Wait, would you mind just making it a little bit bigger for my poor eyes? Okay, thank you very much. Uh we will now move uh to the adjournment. Uh Councillor Shabot, would you move to adjourn? All right, Councillor Shabot has moved to adjourn. Uh seconded by Councillor Wynus. All in favor? Any opposed? All right, good day's work. That is good.", "num_speakers": 60, "consolidated": true, "metadata": { "source_file": "131d52bf-cd16-4b7e-b016-7f4b81ec9a14.json", "original_segment_count": 2397, "consolidated_segment_count": 982, "max_gap_seconds": 150.0, "reduction_percentage": 59.03 }, "file": "/tmp/tmpq9yi7lyw/554d0281-ac51-486a-ab2f-77f7b08555c6.mkv", "language": "en", "refined_by": "gemini" }