{ "segments": [ { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 0.365, "end": 1.425, "text": "Madam Clerk, please call the rule.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 2.905, "end": 5.125, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 6.625, "end": 6.945, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 7.565, "end": 8.425, "text": "Councillor McLean.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9.665, "end": 10.205, "text": "I'm here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 10.505, "end": 25.345, "text": "Councillor Pantazopoulos. Councillor Schmidt. Councillor Tyres. Councillor Tyres, thank you. Councillor Ward. Councillor Wyness. Councillor Ewell. Councillor Atkinson. Councillor Sherbo.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 25.565, "end": 25.865, "text": "Present", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 26.025, "end": 26.765, "text": "Councillor Clark.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 26.845, "end": 27.185, "text": "present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 27.305, "end": 28.185, "text": "Councillor Daliwall.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 5 Raj Dhaliwal", "start": 28.985, "end": 29.205, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 29.665, "end": 30.645, "text": "Councillor Jameson.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 12 Mike Jamieson", "start": 31.085, "end": 31.425, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 31.745, "end": 32.705, "text": "Councillor Johnston.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 32.945, "end": 33.165, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 32.965, "end": 33.185, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 33.265, "end": 34.365, "text": "And Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 34.565, "end": 34.885, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 35.125, "end": 35.425, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 36.105, "end": 94.965, "text": "Oki, Ambawastish, Danistara, Tanshe. Indigenous peoples have their own names for this area that have been in use long before settlers named this place Calgary. In the Blackfoot language, it is called Muginstis. The Etsya Nakota Wastabi First Nations refer to this place as Wachispa Oyede, and the people of the Sutina Nation call it Gutstis. The Metis call the Calgary area Otasquini. We appreciate and acknowledge that we're gathered on the ancestral and traditional territory of the Blackfoot Nations of the Sikhzika, Pikani and Kainai First Nations, the Iskken Nakota Gwastabi First Nations, comprised of the Chenniki, Barispa and Goodstoney First Nations, and the Sotina First Nation. The city of Calgary is also homeland to the historic Northwest Metis, and to the Otimiswak Metis Government, Metis Nation, Battle River Territory, Nosehill Metis District 5. And Elbow Metis District 6. We acknowledge and give gratitude to the many First Nations, Metis and Inuit who live here and call Calgary home.", "segments_merged": 13 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 95.465, "end": 102.685, "text": "First up, I will go to Councillor Atkinson for National Indigenous History Month. Oh sorry, Councillor Panozopoulos.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 103.185, "end": 103.965, "text": "Thanks so much.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 104.405, "end": 112.085, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Mayor. June is National Indigenous History Month here in Canada, a time to celebrate the rich heritage of our First Nations, Inuit, and Metis peoples.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 112.725, "end": 176.025, "text": "It is also time to acknowledge the ongoing journey towards truth, healing, and reconciliation. Indigenous people have been the stewards of Canada's lands and waters since time immemorial. Their wisdom and contributions have profoundly shaped the Canada we cherish today. This month aims to educate about the true history of Indigenous peoples and help us understand who they are today and how we can support them. As we celebrate their cultures and achievements, I invite all Calgarians to learn more about First Nations, Inuit, and Metis peoples. There are many activities and events planned for this month. Invite your family, invite your friends to participate, and reflect on our collective responsibility to build a better and more inclusive future. As a Councillor that borders the Sutina Nation right here adjacent to Calgary, I certainly know First Town how important it is to work with our neighbors to make sure that we have positive outcomes for all Calgarians and Albertans and Canadians alike. Only through this understanding, respect, and solidarity can we pave the way for meaningful reconciliation and a brighter future for all. See you gas, Marcy, He He, Nitsi Sim Mutsi, SEEP, ECS, and thank you.", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 176.925, "end": 181.885, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Counciloplis. And then next, please, to Councillor Kelly for Seniors Week.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 183.105, "end": 281.265, "text": "Thank you very much, Your Worship. Yes, colleagues, next week, June 1st to 7th is Seniors Week, which has been recognized annually in Alberta since 1986. This is an opportunity to show our appreciation for older adults and their rich contributions to our communities through volunteerism, assisting charities, and supporting family members and friends. This year, the theme is 40 years of connection, contribution, and community. Aging is a natural part of life, something that we should all uh be blessed to experience. And uh that natural process is how we build the wisdom of experience. By appreciating and listening to older adults, something I think that all of us uh have definitely benefited from, uh both as counselors and as individuals, uh, provides us the benefit from their knowledge and it creates a more inclusive and compassionate Calgary. On behalf of my city council, my Calgary City Council colleagues, I extend our profound gratitude for all the endless contributions seniors make to our communities. Whether as family or friends, uh their presence enriches our society in countless ways, reminding us of the importance of kindness, patience, and most of all, perseverance. Many exciting activities are planned for this week, including cultural celebrations, social gatherings, free or discounted admission to many of Calgary's great attractions, and free fitness classes at our recreation facilities. Uh, if anyone would like to find out more about these scheduled events, please go to Calgary.ca slash seniorsweek. Thank you, worship.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 285.305, "end": 292.285, "text": "Thank you so much, uh Councillor Kelly. I'll ask uh Deputy Americot to please uh take the chair and I will be", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 317.405, "end": 432.945, "text": "Colleagues, today we have a very exciting recognition. The 2026 Accessibility Awards presented by the City of Calgary's Advisory Committee on Accessibility. Throughout the year, this committee advises City Council administration on accessibility and inclusion for persons with disabilities in relation to city services. And this year, they received 16 nominations. On behalf of council, I'm thanking all of the individuals and organizations for their incredible work in making Calgary a more accessible city. And today we are delighted to recognize the three award recipients who are here with us today. So, first on award number one A, the first award is the Individual Advocacy Award, which recognizes an individual or group who has improved the quality of life for persons with disabilities and/or advanced accessibility in Calgary. This year, the winner is Rima Kadri. Rima, please. Rima is the owner and operator of Rima's Place, a unisex wheelchair accessible salon in Acadia, where she has worked for over 30 years. Rema advances accessibility through everyday actions, providing affordable services, assisting clients with mobility needs, offering flexible hours, and traveling to clients' homes, hospitals, and care facilities when they cannot come to her salon. Excuse me. Her work supports seniors, people with disabilities, and individuals with low incomes, helping them maintain dignity, independence, and connection to their community. Rima's commitment to accessibility is rooted in care, flexibility, and longstanding relationships with her clients, whom she often refers to as friends. And I'd like to invite Rima Kadri up to the podium here to receive this award.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 440.245, "end": 454.605, "text": "Congratulations, Jeff. Thank you so much for my", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 461.985, "end": 529.685, "text": "And the second award we are presenting today is the Organizational Advocacy Award. This award recognizes organizations dedicated to advancing accessibility and inclusion for Calgarians. And the winner this year is Open Door Group. For more than 45 years, Open Door Group has been a leader in advancing accessibility, inclusion, and equitable employment opportunities. In Calgary, their work supports individuals who self-identify as having disabilities, visible, invisible, episodic, or related to mental health and complex life circumstances by removing systemic barriers to meaningful employment. Through individualized person-centered supports, employer engagement, and trauma informed approaches, Open Door Group helps redesign systems so that work is more accessible and inclusive. Their efforts not only support job seekers, but also strengthen workplace cultures across Calgary. And I'd like to ask representatives from Open Door Group to please approach now to come forward and receive the award.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 535.545, "end": 535.565, "text": "own.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 540.145, "end": 541.165, "text": "Thank you very much.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 541.405, "end": 543.945, "text": "Thank you so much. Thank you for being here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 543.945, "end": 544.525, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 544.525, "end": 558.045, "text": "Yeah, jump in the minute. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 560.825, "end": 638.085, "text": "Thank you so much. And our final award is the Mobility and Transportation Access Award, which recognizes those who have improved access to the physical environment, technology, or products. This award is being presented to Medi Donate Life Improvement Initiative Limited. MedIDonate is a student-led Alberta registered nonprofit that improves mobility access by redistributing donated medical and assistive equipment to individuals who cannot afford it. Their platform connects donors with community members in need, ensuring that unused walkers, wheelchairs, and other mobility equipment are redirected rather than stored or discarded. And in its first year, Medidonate coordinated the redistribution of over $25,000 in mobility and medical equipment, increasing independence and access for Calgarians. So through innovation, collaboration, and grass loose leadership, Medi Donate has made a meaningful impact on transportation and mobility access in Calgary. And I'd like to ask our representative from Medi Donate Life Improvement Initiative Limited to come forward and receive this award.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 645.685, "end": 655.485, "text": "Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 662.845, "end": 693.425, "text": "So to close, on behalf of my council colleagues in the city of Calgary, I would like to extend our heartfelt congratulations to all the award recipients today. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for the work that you do every day to make Calgary a more inclusive and accessible city for persons with disabilities. And of course, many thanks to our advisory committee on accessibility for the important work of reviewing these nominations and selecting the recipients. At this point, I'd like to invite uh all award recipients to come forward for a final group picture.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 760.345, "end": 765.185, "text": "Alrighty, we are up for a question period of Councillor Tyres and myself. Please go ahead, Councillor Tyres.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 1 Kim Tyers", "start": 769.465, "end": 810.725, "text": "Yes, thank you, Chair. Um, last night I had the opportunity to go door knocking in boness to speak directly with residents about the proposed land use bylaw amendments for flood mitigation. Given the significant impact of this potential legislation, these one-on-one conversations provided valuable insights into local perspectives. Following council's direction at the April Infrastructure and Planning Committee meeting, I would like to ask administration for an update on the status of their renewed public engagement strategy. Specifically, what next steps have been established to connect with residents directly impacted by these amendments? And I suppose this will be for Paul Taylor, acting for GM Capella. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 814.105, "end": 842.465, "text": "Thank you for the question, Councillor Tyres. The land use bylaw and flood teams are currently planning an additional engagement phase in response to the council direction administration. The engagement will build on the three prior stages of engagement and focus on strengthening awareness, providing uh opportunities for residents to share concerns, and opportunities to strengthen regulatory implementation through targeted input. There's a meeting that will be set up with your office, and we will brief all of council.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 1 Kim Tyers", "start": 843.705, "end": 845.425, "text": "Okay, that's excellent. Thank you very much.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 845.585, "end": 845.945, "text": "Thank you. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 848.205, "end": 856.525, "text": "Thank you. Just uh being mindful of time, I'm gonna withdraw on my question and we will get on to uh the business today. Uh may I please have a mover and seconder for the agenda?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 856.725, "end": 859.885, "text": "Moved by Councillor Shabot. Uh seconded by Councillor Atkinson.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 860.505, "end": 911.965, "text": "The agenda is on the table. We have uh a few amendments here that I'm going to uh we're not yet on consent, so we have a few amendments, changes, additions here. Uh we've had a request uh from the uh city solicitor for uh an amendment to the agenda adding confidential urgent business, it being a confidential legal briefing. And legal and ethics brief. And that this item would be set to be dealt with following the lunch recess. I'll just note on this I think it's fine to accommodate the timing for the lunch recess, but beyond that, I think it would be good for us later in the agenda to find a time for police and fire specifically set. So uh I'm fine with this lunch, but I'd propose uh this to be after lunch, but I'd propose maybe the police and fire to be maybe 3 45 after the afternoon break. So we'll we'll deal with that maybe at that time.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 912.485, "end": 920.005, "text": "Uh can I have a mover and seconder for the adding of this uh urgent business? Moved by Councillor Chabot. Uh uh seconded by uh Councillor Ward.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 920.565, "end": 937.685, "text": "Uh any further debate on adding this? Okay, seeing none, uh let's call the vote on that. This requires 10 votes in order to add the urgent business. Uh no, eight votes? Okay. Excellent. So let's uh go to uh let's engage the e vote.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 954.925, "end": 963.625, "text": "Councillor Ewell, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Kelly, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 963.845, "end": 964.145, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 964.345, "end": 966.265, "text": "Thank you. All the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 967.605, "end": 976.845, "text": "Thank you. Uh please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 15 to 0. I", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 977.345, "end": 980.005, "text": "believe you had an email from us, Councillor Johnston, on urgent business.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 981.885, "end": 985.785, "text": "Uh yeah, I have uh urgent business I wanna include in the agenda.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 987.105, "end": 989.985, "text": "Okay. I'll go to that to you at this time if you can tell us what it is.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 990.585, "end": 1017.165, "text": "Uh yeah, so the urgent uh notice of motion is to um basically allow all members of council the same opportunity to be on the CAO recruitment selection committee. Um and this is urgent because between our last recommendation um and now people have expressed interest on wanting to be on it and working with the clerk's department. This is the only way to make that happen. So", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1018.725, "end": 1023.665, "text": "That's uh from Councillor Johnston. Is there a seconder? Second by Councillor Ward?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1023.865, "end": 1060.085, "text": "Okay. Uh I will weigh in as chair. I'm supposed to weigh in on whether urgent business uh a recommendation from the chair as to whether it should be added. Uh council colleagues, I will not I will recommend that this not be added. I believe that the intent of it could be satisfied on the actual item. That is coming to us later as part of the meeting. And having just been given very short notice on this and not having the ability to go into the mechanics, the procedure of how the bylaw is drafted, as well as the previous uh direction of council. I'm not sure if it can be properly placed because it's a little bit more complicated because it requires undoing a previous council resolution. So that is uh", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1060.325, "end": 1063.505, "text": "my determination. Uh Councillor Chabot on the adding of the surgeon business?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 1064.785, "end": 1065.185, "text": "Yeah, I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1065.485, "end": 1094.545, "text": "I'm sort of advised that this was coming. I haven't had a chance to read the email yet, so um there's more to it, I believe, than what's before us um as far as what's on the screen. Um and I did indicate in my previous discussion that there would be uh a way that we could deal with this um as when the item comes before us, and that could be through an amendment prior to second reading of the bylaw uh to accommodate this. So uh for that reason I'm not gonna support this.", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1095.525, "end": 1096.805, "text": "Okay. Councillor Wines on this?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 1098.185, "end": 1100.965, "text": "Yeah, I'm just kind of curious if we would be able to pull", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 1101.285, "end": 1112.325, "text": "uh the direction that's wanted in this during the actual item on the agenda. Amend the direction. And maybe mover can answer that in his close or clerks.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1114.465, "end": 1123.445, "text": "Um clerk, did you want to weigh in in terms of the the the actual text is a bit more let's say uh complicated than what the the mover had introduced. Good.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1123.985, "end": 1145.785, "text": "The previous council decision was contained in a confidential distribution. It is contained in your closed meeting materials with an e scribe. I'm happy to find the link and resend it to members of council. But if you look at the cover report that I've prepared that's related to the item, it is outlined there as well.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1150.305, "end": 1152.065, "text": "All right, over to Councillor Johnston to close.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 1153.085, "end": 1175.845, "text": "Yeah, this is the proper way to do this. Um we looked at many different ways on how to accommodate what I think is the most important decision we have coming for us in this council. And uh honestly, I think we need to allow all members of council the same opportunity to be on this. Um and sorry, can I through the chair ask the clerk a clarifying question?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1177.225, "end": 1177.785, "text": "Yeah, certainly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 1177.785, "end": 1181.145, "text": "Yeah, is there any other way to ensure that all members of council", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1181.785, "end": 1188.105, "text": "have access to or the fair opportunity to be on this CAO repro recruitment committee selection.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 1189.625, "end": 1191.405, "text": "Thank you for the question, Councillor Johnston.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1193.945, "end": 1234.885, "text": "The council had made a decision and voted, so there is a resolution of council that set out what the bylaw on today's agenda meets. Because there is a council decision with respect to how the subcommittee will be established in order to pursue a change to that membership, and by that I mean to allow all members of council an opportunity to express their interest, the previous decision of council must be rescinded. Otherwise, there will be conflicting resolution from council from April and the bylaw that's before you today. So the notice of motion that is here is to rescind a previous council decision.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 1235.365, "end": 1248.765, "text": "Right. So council members, this is our opportunity now to do this. So if you wait until later, it's only gonna delay it even longer. So now is the opportunity for us to make a decision that is going to shape the next who knows how long", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1249.625, "end": 1273.005, "text": "Of this city's future. And we're all a part of the executive committee decisions on the current CEO's process. We can not allow seven members to decide what the rest of the city. We need everybody to have the same opportunity to be a part of that. And this is the best way to make this happen. So please vote to allow this on the agenda and give us the opportunity to be a part of this process.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1275.505, "end": 1297.785, "text": "Okay, that has uh been closed by uh Councillor Johnston. Uh under the procedure bylaw allows an additional questions uh from council members uh uh uh arising from the debate that was heard. And I'm gonna ask the the question of our city solicitor if uh you don't mind, Ms. Flowen. Just to clarify, a resolution of a majority of council, meaning eight is required to appoint the city manager and not seven. Is that correct?", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1298.845, "end": 1304.885, "text": "Yeah, so it's council's role under the Municipal Government Act to appoint the uh CAO.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1305.145, "end": 1305.345, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1305.505, "end": 1307.905, "text": "So it is council, it's not a small group of people.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 1307.905, "end": 1329.785, "text": "Yes, sorry, point of privilege. The CAO recruitment committee does the due diligence. And looking through what the executive committee did with the due diligence on the current CAO's employment, I think that needs to be extended to all members of council. So, yes, it is council's resolution to debate and vote on who's going to be the next CAO, but it's the due diligence that matters.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1330.145, "end": 1337.905, "text": "Thank you, uh Councillor Johnson. I'll just know counts uh points of privilege are reserved for if you feel that you've been misquoted. Uh it's not intended to be a rebuttal, but", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 1337.905, "end": 1341.385, "text": "So it wasn't as quite a bit of a little bit more. That's what the point of privilege was for. Thank you, Chair.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1341.385, "end": 1342.165, "text": "thank you, sir. Uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1343.645, "end": 1347.605, "text": "Councillor McLean, is it a follow up clarifying question on what we're voting on?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 1348.345, "end": 1349.885, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1350.005, "end": 1354.525, "text": "Please go ahead. And the debate has been closed. It's purely on what we're voting on.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 1354.525, "end": 1356.405, "text": "Just a clarifying question to clerks.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 1357.525, "end": 1365.585, "text": "If we then go into close and had we vote on something similar to this, will that be quite is that an eight to seven or will that be will we do it need a supermajority or a", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1366.665, "end": 1367.005, "text": "I'm", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 1367.005, "end": 1369.185, "text": "to save to overturn previous council direction?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1369.205, "end": 1393.465, "text": "well th thank you for the question and for the clarification. So there's there's two votes to be had here. So the first vote would be to add it to the agenda because this is bypassing the executive committee. Ten votes of council are required to add a notice of motion to an existing agenda. Following that, a motion to rescind a previous decision of council that is within 12 months will require a 10 votes, two-thirds.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 1393.785, "end": 1395.005, "text": "So if this fails,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 1395.465, "end": 1400.805, "text": "not getting us 10, and then this comes up and we want to make an amendment to what we've already decided, and that also will need 10.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1401.765, "end": 1434.825, "text": "An amendment to the proposed bylaw that is on the agenda, that would not require a two-thirds vote. However, a change into council direction would, because that would be another rescinding. So if there is an amendment to the proposed bylaw that's on the agenda that is consistent with what council has previously directed, that would be a majority vote. But if it's to reverse a previous decision of council, which we called either an amendment or a rescinding of a previous decision, because that decision occurred in April, that would be two thirds.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 1434.865, "end": 1441.225, "text": "That was my understanding. So if we were to there's two opportunities for us to get to where Council Johnson wants to get to.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 1441.545, "end": 1449.705, "text": "This vote and potentially another vote both will require ten votes. So that's two kicks of the cat here, I guess. So thanks.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1449.865, "end": 1456.485, "text": "All right, let's engage the vote as stated for the adding of this uh urgent business bypassing executive committee, requires 10 votes of counsel.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1473.025, "end": 1474.265, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1474.585, "end": 1483.165, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion has been defeated, 8-7,", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1484.665, "end": 1494.705, "text": "with Councillor Schmidt, Kelly, Pantozopoulos, Clark, Shabot, Wynus, and myself opposed. All right, I I believe I'm going back to you, uh Deputy Mayor Shabot.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1495.405, "end": 1496.625, "text": "Or sorry, uh Madam Clerk first.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1497.845, "end": 1511.345, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. I just wanted to note that we did prepare the time specifics for item 9.4.3 and item 9.414. If you would like to set those to be the first items following the new recess, we're ready with the the afternoon recess.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1512.245, "end": 1514.945, "text": "Uh while I have you, uh Deputy Mayor Shabot, would you like to move those?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 1515.305, "end": 1520.985, "text": "Yeah, 'cause there's a conflict there, right? 'Cause we've already got on the agenda a time specific item for the selection.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1521.465, "end": 1530.505, "text": "So we've we've set the uh the the briefing for one or one fifteen p.m. and this motion would be the afternoon recess. So at 3 45, we'd hear from police and fire.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 1530.505, "end": 1537.085, "text": "There's another issue though. It's with relations to the CAO selection committee. Was that not scheduled to be immediately after?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1537.085, "end": 1540.345, "text": "That will be tomorrow at one PM when uh we start again.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 1540.845, "end": 1542.365, "text": "Why we're not gonna go into overflow.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1543.325, "end": 1552.805, "text": "Uh we have some uh external advisors who are assisting with that and it made sense for such a strategic uh decision of council to go in fresh rather than at uh", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 1552.805, "end": 1554.125, "text": "We're gonna have to come back tomorrow.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1554.865, "end": 1555.485, "text": "Yes. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 1555.485, "end": 1555.845, "text": "All right.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1556.085, "end": 1576.225, "text": "And that's my recommendation, colleagues, is that we've we've often had the CO performance items at the very end of long meetings, and I recommend that we go in fresh, have the ability to uh be thoughtful and strategic and not that uh Not that I say you guys can't, it's just me. I'm not doing my best work at twelve or fifteen hours into the day. It's good to it's such an important decision, as uh Councillor Johnston had indicated.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 1576.765, "end": 1578.085, "text": "Okay, yeah, happy to make this motion.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1578.485, "end": 1580.505, "text": "All right, that's been moved by Councillor Shabot. Can I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1581.185, "end": 1583.245, "text": "Did you wanna weigh in, uh Madam Clerk?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1584.605, "end": 1585.665, "text": "Nope, that's it. Thanks, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1585.965, "end": 1588.505, "text": "Okay, that's been moved by Councillor Shabot. Can I have a seconder, please?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1591.045, "end": 1597.005, "text": "Uh seconded by Councillor Penazopoulos. Uh certainly I'll support this just for the operational needs of police and fire. I think it would be good to", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1597.165, "end": 1615.905, "text": "let them have uh this very specific time to come back. All right, any further discussion on this? Okay, seeing none, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote on this amendment. And this is to make the police and fire items to be time specific for 345. Or rather, the afternoon recess, whatever that time is.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1623.305, "end": 1624.545, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1625.085, "end": 1632.345, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion is carried 15 to 0.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1633.005, "end": 1635.365, "text": "Can I go back to you, uh, Deputy Mayor Chabot? Did", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1635.845, "end": 1638.045, "text": "you have a withdrawal on one of the items?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 1640.685, "end": 1641.285, "text": "Withdrawing", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1641.545, "end": 1642.625, "text": "any of the items? I'm sorry.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1642.665, "end": 1645.165, "text": "I I believe on your notice of motion you were intending to.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 1645.165, "end": 1646.625, "text": "Oh um yeah, so", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1647.085, "end": 1690.145, "text": "I guess I'm not sure if that's the appropriate time to do it or not. Um my notice of motion with regards to Climate change. I've recently received or actually downloaded a whole bunch of additional information that I think would satisfy at least a portion of my notice of motion, and the other one is incorporated into Councillor Johnson's notice of motion. So mine would be redundant. And as such, I will be moving a motion arising on Councillor Panthezopoulos' motion. Um if uh council is willing to support my withdrawal of this one and hopefully you can support my motion arising that will deal with some of the uh now further be it resolved uh aspects of my notice of motion.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1690.885, "end": 1695.605, "text": "Madam Clerk, do I just seek unanimous consent uh for that or is this an amendment to the agenda?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1695.745, "end": 1710.465, "text": "This will be an amendment to the agenda, and just to clarify, this will be to withdraw item 9.4.7, notice of motion, rescinding climate emergency value for money, audit, and climate strategy spending. That's the correct one.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1711.505, "end": 1711.725, "text": "Yep.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1712.985, "end": 1717.685, "text": "So we will just put that up on the screen right now, and that will be to withdraw it from today's agenda and file.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1719.065, "end": 1725.985, "text": "Thank you. Is there a seconder for this withdrawal? Second by Councillor Johnston. On this, uh, Councillor Panasopolis?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 1727.425, "end": 1733.625, "text": "Councillor Shabu, you mentioned my motion. Um you're piggybacking off was just to clarify which one's one's that. I just", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1734.745, "end": 1738.385, "text": "did something piggybacking off Councillor Panasopoulos is um which which motion?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 1738.625, "end": 1738.885, "text": "No", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1738.885, "end": 1744.605, "text": "No, you there we have two uh notice of motion relating to the climate emergency declaration and I'm", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 1744.805, "end": 1747.265, "text": "I just heard my name mentioned. It was uh so uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 1747.365, "end": 1751.105, "text": "I must have it must be my mouth's not working properly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1752.005, "end": 1752.685, "text": "Apologies.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1754.245, "end": 1756.565, "text": "all right. Uh any further discussion on uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1756.945, "end": 1760.845, "text": "allowing the amend or the amendment to withdraw, Councillor Shabose?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1762.405, "end": 1772.485, "text": "Okay, seeing none. Over to you close, Councillor Shabuz. Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote, and this is to take off the agenda 9.4.7. Notice a motion, rescind climate emergency.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1784.545, "end": 1785.945, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1786.365, "end": 1787.805, "text": "Thank you. Display the results, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1791.565, "end": 1795.905, "text": "On that, uh Councillor or thirty the motion is carried 13 to 2 with Councillor Clark", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1796.205, "end": 1797.605, "text": "and Jameson opposed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 1798.405, "end": 1798.705, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1798.965, "end": 1814.005, "text": "All right, uh, we're not on consent yet, but are there any other changes to the agenda as amended? Going once, going twice. All right, uh, Madam Clerk, let's uh engage the vote, please, on the agenda as amended.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 1829.245, "end": 1830.705, "text": "Councillor Tyers, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 1 Kim Tyers", "start": 1832.745, "end": 1833.125, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1833.485, "end": 1833.785, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 1834.445, "end": 1835.885, "text": "Councillor McLean, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1837.165, "end": 1837.585, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1838.645, "end": 1840.305, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1840.645, "end": 1853.745, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried, 15 to 0. We have two process motions, but uh Madam Clerk, would you mind just summarizing what the changes to the agenda were?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1854.745, "end": 1908.045, "text": "The changes to the agenda, yes, absolutely. So the first set of changes were to add two items of confidential urgent business. The first one is item 12.3.1, that will be a confidential briefing. The second one is item 12.3.2, that is a legal and ethics briefing. That item has been set to be dealt with following the lunch recess today, May 26th. The second change to today's agenda was to set item 9.4.3 with respect to the fire commission, as well as item 9.4.14, which was the notice of motion downtown police station. Those two items have been set to be dealt with as the first item following the afternoon recess today on May 26th. And just for clarification, the CAO item is set as a time specific for 1 p.m., but that is tomorrow. May twenty-seventh.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1908.625, "end": 1909.285, "text": "Thank you very much.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1909.285, "end": 1909.965, "text": "You're very welcome.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1910.265, "end": 1937.205, "text": "All right, uh we have two uh process motions. Uh uh I'm seeking uh mover seconder for a first procedural motion, and it's to direct uh a public submission from the Calgary Advisory Committee on Housing with respect to the homeless here housing strategy item to be distributed for the corporate record. Essentially, it's a letter from the advisory committee on housing that would like to be added to that uh. Item just for the record. May I please have a mover?", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1937.425, "end": 1938.665, "text": "Moved by Councillor Schmidt.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1938.805, "end": 1939.785, "text": "Seconded by", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1943.325, "end": 1944.005, "text": "Councillor Johnston.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1945.005, "end": 1953.125, "text": "Any further debate on having this letter from uh our advisory committee on the uh record? Okay, seeing none, uh let's engage the evote, please.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1965.905, "end": 1969.405, "text": "Councillor Shabot, thank you. Councillor Johnston, thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1970.385, "end": 1997.785, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 15 to 0. I'm seeking a similar uh process motion as well. Our mayor's office has provided the clerk's office with uh letters in of support in regards to the notice of motion downtown police station. And I as a courtesy of counsel, would can I please have a mover and seconder to have those letters of support uh distributed and added to the corporate record?", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 1999.245, "end": 2001.445, "text": "Moved by Councillor Clark, seconded by Councillor Ewell.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2001.785, "end": 2007.485, "text": "Any uh debate or discussion on this? Okay, seeing none, let's engage the evote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2022.545, "end": 2023.745, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2024.285, "end": 2037.765, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 15 to 0. And I I'm just gonna check in uh with you, Madam Clerk, co pilot. Uh did I are we done the agenda setting?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2038.565, "end": 2039.805, "text": "You have set the agenda.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2039.905, "end": 2047.085, "text": "We have set the agenda. Great. Awesome. All right. Now uh I am we're on the minutes. I'm seeking a mover and seconder for confirmation of minutes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 2047.185, "end": 2052.405, "text": "Happy to move both sides seeing no errors or omissions unless my AI buddy over there has found some", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2054.285, "end": 2063.145, "text": "All right, that's been moved by uh Deputy Mayor Chabot. The minutes for 21 April 2026 and 28 April 2026. Can I please have a seconder?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 2065.265, "end": 2067.965, "text": "Uh seconded by Councillor Yule. Any further discussion on that?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2070.425, "end": 2073.265, "text": "Okay. Seeing none, let's engage the evote, please, uh Madam Clerk.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2086.965, "end": 2088.225, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2089.105, "end": 2106.305, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. All right, the motion is carried 15 to 0. The minutes for 21 April and 28 April 2026 have been approved. May I please have a mover and seconder for the consent agenda omnibus motion.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 2108.685, "end": 2112.485, "text": "Moved by uh Councillor Yule, seconded by Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2112.865, "end": 2116.365, "text": "That is on the table. I'll go now to the lights on the consent agenda.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 2116.705, "end": 2118.445, "text": "Councillor Dallywell, you're up first.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 5 Raj Dhaliwal", "start": 2119.605, "end": 2137.525, "text": "Thanks, Mayor. I would like to pull 7.1.1. There will be a little amendment. We are changing time and date on our multi sport fueled house committee. And the clerks have that motion when the time comes. And then I would also like to poll 7.11 just to vote against it. That's it for me. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2138.285, "end": 2138.645, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 2139.945, "end": 2142.165, "text": "Over to uh Councillor Tyres, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 1 Kim Tyers", "start": 2142.525, "end": 2148.165, "text": "Yeah, I was also uh requesting to poll 7.11 as I have in the an amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 2150.505, "end": 2152.165, "text": "Uh Councillor Wynus, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 2152.605, "end": 2155.845, "text": "I'd like to pull 7.8 and 7.9 for amendments.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2161.005, "end": 2197.285, "text": "Okay. Anyone else on the consent agenda? All right, so to summarize, we've uh pulled 7.1, the scheduling of the field house committee, 7.8, the Safer Together Community Safety and Wellbeing Plan. 7.9, uh home is here, housing strategy update, and 7.11, uh free fare zone review. Anyone else like to pull any items? Okay, seeing none, uh let's engage the e vote on the omnibus motion for all of that on the screen. Less 7.11, 7.8, 7.9, and 711.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2211.625, "end": 2212.785, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2213.645, "end": 2234.025, "text": "Thank you. Please uh display the results. On that, the uh motion has carried 15 to 0. And we will now move to is it uh 12.2.1, madam clerk?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2234.345, "end": 2234.865, "text": "That's right, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2235.985, "end": 2251.265, "text": "Uh we're now on 12.2.1 May 26 update on the 2027 to 2030 budget cycle C 2026 of the year 283. Is it over to you, CO Dongleish, to introduce the item? Or uh Mr. Tucker.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 2253.165, "end": 2253.825, "text": "Mr. Tucker.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2263.445, "end": 2272.745, "text": "And for this item, just wanted to um confirm this item is or was scheduled to be in camera in the closed session.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2273.545, "end": 2285.105, "text": "Um at this point, uh, can I have a motion to move into closed session? Okay, move by uh councillor Ewell, seconded by uh Councillor Panasopoulos. Any further discussion on that?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 2285.605, "end": 2286.945, "text": "Uh yes, sorry.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2286.945, "end": 2288.065, "text": "Okay, Councillor Johnston? Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 2288.105, "end": 2289.225, "text": "Sorry, can we just get a", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2289.585, "end": 2297.845, "text": "short clarification why we're gonna go on camera for this? Like I understand it's I'll just hope and get a verbal uh reasoning for it.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2299.705, "end": 2352.745, "text": "Thank you. The reasons for confidentiality the information is still draft, incomplete, and subject to change as we continue to review and refine it. If released publicly now, it could be misunderstood as a budget recommendation, which it is not. The numbers will change and therefore could create confusion and reduce trust in the final budget. The information at this point in the year is very draft. It's being provided to council for transparency and it remains incomplete and subject to change. This approach is consistent with how the budget process works at the provincial level, where early and incomplete information is kept confidential until validated and ready for public release. And as well, once we move into the fall, all of this information for transparency will be released at that time.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 2354.785, "end": 2355.165, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2356.945, "end": 2390.765, "text": "Can I I just uh we'll jump in uh for brief debate on that and just to be explicit here. Does typically the uh provincial and federal government provide draft versions, or is there a version of a lockup confidentiality until it's uh fully complete and ready to be presented to uh uh the the legislature or the house? Just in terms of best practices. For compar uh for comparison. Or to make it more uh explicit, what would be the provincial government's approach to how they build out their budget and how it's presented publicly into the uh legislature?", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 2391.345, "end": 2406.825, "text": "Thank you for the question. Yes, as CFO Tucker mentioned in his response to Councillor Johnston, draft budgets are prepared confidentially, and then there is a release at one time to the public of the final product.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2407.305, "end": 2410.605, "text": "And just to be explicit, this item is not a draft budget.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 2411.045, "end": 2424.205, "text": "No, it's not. It's uh as CFO Tucker said, it is um it has budget information. It's not a recommendation, it is an amalgamation of information that we've collected that we're sharing with council.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 2424.965, "end": 2429.605, "text": "Okay, thank you so much. Uh before that, I will go to Councillor Atkinson for an introduction.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 7 Myke Atkinson", "start": 2431.245, "end": 2482.585, "text": "Uh council colleagues, uh I'd like to you all to uh welcome our friends here from Capitol Hill School. This is a grade one class. Capitol Hill School is uh a great neighborhood school. All of my kids went to Capitol Hill School. Uh it's very close to my heart. I've walked to it many a day uh over the past couple of years, and I am just so happy to have these kids here. Yesterday got to meet the class and we were talking about uh their theme for the week, which is I belong to a community and I can help care for it. And uh these little guys had all kinds of great thoughts about how to care for community, how we build community, how we be friends with one another and make uh our city better. So uh, grade one class, if I can ask you to stand up and be recognized by my council colleagues here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2494.885, "end": 2532.145, "text": "Thank you all for coming. And uh we are actually just about to uh head off, I think, into closed session. So you don't have to sit around watching uh this this uh for too long. But you know this is this is how how we care for our city is we're we're doing that work, we're heading into discussions about how we uh spend money for the coming years uh here in the city, and so we're making those decisions. So thank you for joining us. Thanks for coming down to City Hall, and I hope you uh continue to to work on building community and making our city better every day. Thank you. Yeah,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2533.645, "end": 2537.825, "text": "Thank you. Uh with that, let's engage the e vote on the motion to move into closed session.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2551.585, "end": 2556.385, "text": "Councillor Schmidt, your vote, please? Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2556.745, "end": 2565.945, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 14 to 1 with Councillor Johnston opposed. All right, we will move now to the council board report.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2570.385, "end": 2570.945, "text": "I know.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2574.605, "end": 2576.905, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Kelly,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 7 Myke Atkinson", "start": 2577.485, "end": 2577.825, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2578.045, "end": 2578.885, "text": "Councillor McLean,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 7 Myke Atkinson", "start": 2579.845, "end": 2580.105, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2580.485, "end": 2582.725, "text": "Councillor Pantozopoulos, Councillor Schmidt,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 7 Myke Atkinson", "start": 2582.725, "end": 2582.965, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2582.965, "end": 2590.145, "text": "Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Shabot,", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 2590.345, "end": 2590.705, "text": "present", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2590.885, "end": 2593.105, "text": "Councillor Clark, Councillor Dolly Wall.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 2594.445, "end": 2594.705, "text": "here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2595.145, "end": 2597.545, "text": "Councillor Jameson. Councillor Johnston", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2597.625, "end": 2597.885, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2597.885, "end": 2598.965, "text": "and Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2599.085, "end": 2599.505, "text": "I'm here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2599.505, "end": 2600.025, "text": "Thank you, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2601.205, "end": 2614.045, "text": "All right. I believe we have to rise and report. Okay. May I please have a motion to rise and report? Moved by Councillor Ewell. Seconded by Councillor Kelly. All in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that is carried.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 2614.625, "end": 2618.265, "text": "I believe we have a set of recommendations and I'll look to Councillor Shabot to move that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 2620.785, "end": 2623.165, "text": "Yeah, happy to move the recommendations. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2623.745, "end": 2641.205, "text": "as you'll note, um the last one is specifically in relations to franchise fees, uh looking to increase the amount that we are collecting from uh from ATCO gas on franchise fees, which is, if I may say, still significantly less than Edmonton collects from their customers.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2642.785, "end": 2644.965, "text": "All right, that's been moved by uh Councillor Shabot.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 2645.805, "end": 2647.625, "text": "Seconded by uh Councillor Clark.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2648.625, "end": 2650.585, "text": "Any further debate or discussion on this?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 2651.605, "end": 2652.905, "text": "Yes, sir. I'd like to uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2652.905, "end": 2653.645, "text": "Councillor Johnston.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 2653.885, "end": 2654.245, "text": "sorry.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2654.725, "end": 2657.205, "text": "I'd like to split five from the rest, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2657.685, "end": 2660.205, "text": "Okay. Any other uh request on this?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 2662.165, "end": 2663.725, "text": "Councillor Kelly, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 2664.545, "end": 2671.045, "text": "Uh just uh from a procedural standpoint, should uh if we're calling a division, should four and five be called together?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 2671.785, "end": 2674.025, "text": "Just or can they stand separate?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2675.605, "end": 2686.505, "text": "We can call them separately if you have a desire to, but uh four is just uh uh a report, whereas five is a course of action. The course of action doesn't require the report necessarily.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 2686.625, "end": 2689.045, "text": "Oh that's fine. I just wanted to make sure procedurally we were okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2689.845, "end": 2695.225, "text": "All right, colleagues, any objection for us voting uh on one, two, three, and four and then voting on five?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 2696.585, "end": 2701.065, "text": "Okay, seeing no objection back to you, uh Councillor or rather Deputy Murray Shabot a close, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 2702.125, "end": 2704.245, "text": "Yeah, no, it's uh great discussion and uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2704.565, "end": 2707.425, "text": "looking forward to future reports. Closed?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2708.445, "end": 2713.925, "text": "All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote on uh bullets one, two, three, and four. Please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2715.305, "end": 2718.805, "text": "Might just take us one moment, but the vote will come once it's been split.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2719.685, "end": 2721.245, "text": "Thanks. Uh colleagues, please stand by.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2755.905, "end": 2757.345, "text": "Councillor Ewell, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2757.445, "end": 2757.825, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2757.885, "end": 2759.945, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Pentazoulis, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 2760.045, "end": 2760.385, "text": "Yes,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2760.665, "end": 2763.145, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Jameson, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2763.145, "end": 2763.485, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2763.605, "end": 2765.585, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Clark, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2765.585, "end": 2765.985, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2766.045, "end": 2768.225, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Chabot, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 2768.905, "end": 2769.225, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2769.645, "end": 2772.145, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2772.965, "end": 2782.105, "text": "Uh please display the results. On bullets one through four, that is carried 15 to 0. And let's engage the e vote, please, on bullet five.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2798.445, "end": 2803.125, "text": "Councillor Ewell, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Pantozopoulos, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 2803.225, "end": 2803.565, "text": "yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2803.805, "end": 2806.105, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Jamison, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 2806.245, "end": 2806.645, "text": "Yes,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2807.305, "end": 2815.705, "text": "Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2815.985, "end": 2817.425, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 2821.445, "end": 2827.245, "text": "And on that, the um that recommendation is carried 12 to 3 with counselors Johnston, Ward.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2827.585, "end": 2849.425, "text": "And Y Ness opposed. So we had a time-specific item for the ethics briefing and the legal briefing from city solicitor. It was supposed to be after lunch. It's now the first opportunity after lunch. I'll be seeking a motion now to go into closed session and further the inviting uh uh Dr. Laidlaw, our external counsel, to be authorized to attend the meeting.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 2850.065, "end": 2855.285, "text": "Uh can I please have a mover and seconder? Moved by Councillor Kelly, seconded by Councillor Atkinson.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2855.945, "end": 2863.265, "text": "Any further debate on that, colleagues? Okay, seeing none, we'll call the question. Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2876.845, "end": 2878.265, "text": "Councillor Ewell, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2878.625, "end": 2878.925, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2879.145, "end": 2881.105, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Pantasopoulos, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 2881.485, "end": 2881.845, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2882.225, "end": 2883.985, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Jameson, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 2884.105, "end": 2884.505, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2884.705, "end": 2889.145, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 2889.805, "end": 2890.125, "text": "Yes,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2891.385, "end": 2892.745, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2893.105, "end": 2903.185, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 14 to 1. We will now go to our border.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2910.185, "end": 2929.305, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Councillor Ward. Councillor Wyness. Councillor Ewell. Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Chabot, Councillor Clark, Councillor Dollywall, Councillor Jameson, Councillor Johnston, Councillor Kelly,", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 2929.685, "end": 2930.065, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2930.085, "end": 2930.925, "text": "Councillor McLean,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 2931.805, "end": 2932.145, "text": "Here", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2932.385, "end": 2937.885, "text": "Councillor Pantozopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, and Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2938.165, "end": 2938.625, "text": "I'm here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2938.625, "end": 2939.005, "text": "Thank you, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2940.685, "end": 2944.965, "text": "All right. I believe we must uh rise and report. May I please have a mover and seconder for that?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 2946.965, "end": 2950.905, "text": "Moved by Councillor Kelly, seconded by um councillor", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2951.265, "end": 2964.605, "text": "Chabot. Uh on that, uh all in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that uh motion is carried. Uh we have a set of recommendations, I believe, on the ethics and legal briefing.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 2966.725, "end": 2973.065, "text": "Okay, it's up on the screen. Could I have a mover and seconder for that? Moved by Councillor Chabot. Second by Councillor Panizopoulos.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2973.745, "end": 2980.445, "text": "Any further discussion or debate on that? All right, seeing none, uh let's engage the e vote, please, on that.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2986.325, "end": 3002.065, "text": "That's okay, you're great. Councillor Pantazapoulos, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Jameson is absent. Councillor Kelly, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 3002.845, "end": 3003.205, "text": "yes,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3003.545, "end": 3008.745, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Johnston, your vote please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3009.025, "end": 3024.665, "text": "Thank you. Please display the com or uh the vote result rather. On that, the motion is carried 14 to 0. Clerk, I believe we're now on a the time sensitive items for following the afternoon recess. Do do you recall if the police or the fire one was first up?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3024.865, "end": 3027.345, "text": "The fire item was first, Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 3027.465, "end": 3029.305, "text": "All right, I'll go to Councillor Wenes to introduce.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 3031.105, "end": 3036.745, "text": "Thank you. Um this notice of motion is to establish a fire protection service committee. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 3036.965, "end": 3128.425, "text": "we currently have a police commission as a governance model to see one of our largest safety responders in the city under the police act directed by the province. However, for the fire department, they do not have that same directive coming out of the province. This council knows how important fire response is for our city and our neighbors and our community. And the the business unit crosses many departments. We have to build fire halls, we have to do emergency response. And I find, having been on council for the last term, that uh their importance gets kind of lost in our governance structure. It pops up at mid cycle budget adjustments where we hear from the fire department about their Their needs and their policy direction, or we will get a memo saying that something is being decommissioned. I think by standing up a committee, it will allow council to keep a line of sight on a very important business unit for the city of Calgary for safety and allow a better governance model where counselors will get to work in partnership with citizens to have oversight on where Calgarians want to see us grow, what innovative fire response or models they want to see enacted in our city. I think this is a nice bridge between standing up a commission where Council will still ultimately have a budget authority, but we like to have work hands-on council on noticing. And so by using a committee, we will actually be able to still stay hands-on and have uh more proactive budget uh directives to with the the fire department. So that's my open for now. I can answer anything else uh depending on the questions that come up on this item.", "segments_merged": 13 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3131.385, "end": 3134.205, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Weness. I'm going to say that's seconded by", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 3135.405, "end": 3135.985, "text": "Councillor Yule.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3136.565, "end": 3139.245, "text": "Okay. All right, that is uh on the table.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 3140.745, "end": 3145.005, "text": "Colleagues, make sure that uh you're in the back in the regular meeting. Uh Councillor Schmidt, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 3145.985, "end": 3150.925, "text": "Uh yeah, a couple questions for administration. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 3152.765, "end": 3174.225, "text": "just one some clarity on what this might solve because currently this goes to community development committee. So what would this achieve versus say standing having a standing item on every community development committee that could address fire and their needs?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3176.525, "end": 3194.225, "text": "Councillor Schmidt, that would be another way to address some of the concerns I'm sure that Councillor Wynus will want to address in her close. I think she's also interested in the role of citizen members on this committee, which would be different from Community Development Committee.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 3195.145, "end": 3216.205, "text": "And then as far as citizen members, um, I would assume the terms of reference would have the same. Types of restrictions on having those citizen members free of conflict when it comes to discussing and helping council make decisions when it comes to fire protective services.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3217.025, "end": 3223.725, "text": "Yes, that's what I anticipate would be developed out in the terms of reference and the bylaw that are recommended here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 3225.185, "end": 3254.065, "text": "And then final question would just be around capacity of administration and council, given that we clearly have a busy meeting scheduled, this meeting being an example of that. Do we do we have any sense of how often this would meet and uh where it would fit in scheduling and if that's something that is is feasible given the current workload and scheduling that we already have?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3256.445, "end": 3277.445, "text": "Councillor Johnston, or sorry, I was looking at Councillor Johnston next to you. Councillor Schmidt, those are things that there have been some speculative conversation about. Again, I imagine Councillor Wynus might want to address that in her close. We are certainly mindful that that's some of what we would need to seek to address as we develop these terms of reference.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3278.625, "end": 3279.305, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 3280.585, "end": 3281.965, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Johnston, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 3283.105, "end": 3283.945, "text": "Yeah, and I'm", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 3284.445, "end": 3319.105, "text": "Maybe thinking uh Councillor Wynus will be able to cover some of this in her clothes. Uh but my question is is will because I I'll be honest, I don't know much about the police commission, um, but would establishing one for the fire department, um, would it create more accountability? Would there be more avenues for accountability or oversight? Um is that what this is trying to accomplish as well? Um is that something admin could Knowing what the the police commission does and what this is uh trying to do.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3321.845, "end": 3349.705, "text": "Again, I'm sure Councillor Wynus will want to address this in her close, in part because of her experience with police commission. What I would say is wherever we shine a bright light, we will see things in more detail. And so if it's the will of council to shine a brighter light here, whether as a separate committee, whether as a standing item on another committee, I have no question that, as I said, wherever you shine a bright light, you will see more detail.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 3350.185, "end": 3361.545, "text": "Right, okay, because this is a very large budget, and I'm all for better accountability and oversight. Um, and so I I I do support this. I just want to make sure. Um,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 3361.825, "end": 3399.465, "text": "and I'll be honest, like I've had a lot of firefighters come to me personally about this, and um there's hesitation in it that they're not sure if things are gonna change because of it, and the hope is that it does. Um, and so I guess. The metrics I want to see um are efficiency and potentially less complaints from firefighters about potentially leadership or um how things are run. And I'm hoping that this will address that. So I'll leave it there. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3401.585, "end": 3488.445, "text": "Thank you. We've uh run out, so I'm gonna put myself in the queue. I I see Fire Chief Dongworth uh is with us and invited to support this item. Uh I'm not hearing it. Chief, can I ask you, please, to to approach? And I'm gonna open with what uh maybe an element of debate, but I've been challenged in my time on council how bluntly deeply buried you are in the organizational structure as compared to the Calgary Police Chief. Uh the fact that our fire department is just as important to the Calgary Police Service, I feel that a lot of your ad, and this is not knocking ELT or the the chain of command, but a lot of your advocacy, I think, is perhaps blunted as it gets up the chain of command to council uh in a way that perhaps the advocacy From the or uh Chief McClellan is not. Um and in that spirit, I'd like to ask you more directly uh do you how do you feel in terms of the advantages, disadvantages of this direction? What are the pros and cons? How do you see this in terms of impacting your work? And could you weigh in generally as an advisor to council on uh this course of action and and if there may be any any other thoughts you might have in terms of um how we could best uh execute on what really our goal is and what Councillor Wines' stated aim is in terms of. Um efficiency as well as advocacy and accountability.", "segments_merged": 16 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 3489.945, "end": 3492.685, "text": "I'm just not oh the mic's on, that's why I can't turn it on.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3492.845, "end": 3493.345, "text": "Yeah,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 3493.345, "end": 3595.665, "text": "I'm sorry, uh yeah, through the chair. Uh there were a few questions bundled in there for sure. Um one thing I would remind council is if if you go back to the time before I became chief, um the fire chief did have a direct line to council, but that was changed uh on the transition to to my leadership. Um so historically we have had a more direct line to council. It didn't, it wasn't a committee, it was just a uh you know a a direct line to the, I believe the chair of the what was the equivalent of the CDC at the time, if I remember rightly. Um I think your observation is correct. It can be challenging to navigate the layers that I have to get to to speak publicly on safety issues and other things for sure. So I see that as an advantage. I look around, we've done some work around how other fire departments, large urban fire departments, are what the governance model looks like, and sure there's some with commissions, there's some where the fire chief reports to the mayor, and I'm not suggesting any of these, by the way, some where they report to the the equivalent of the chief administrative officer, somewhere they report to council. There's a whole whole bunch of models, and then there's some which kind of closely or c more closely replicate where we are today, where they report to a general manager or the equivalent. Of course, we've got the nuance of it's it's kind of general manager, COO, CAO, CAO is my uh chain of command, which uh you know that one could argue that's a little it it doesn't help uh us with nimbleness when we need to speak on public safety issues, I would say at times. Um other than that, I I hope I've answered somewhat your question. If I've missed any part, please um please uh ask me again.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3596.145, "end": 3612.625, "text": "sounds good. How do you see this uh impacting your work? Do you do you see this? Are you generally supportive of this approach? Uh understand that it's somewhat novel in terms of not uh being executed in other jurisdictions, and that's not necessarily a reason not to do this, but it's relatively uncharted territory.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 3612.865, "end": 3615.585, "text": "No, I I'm supportive of this uh this direction for sure.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3617.605, "end": 3644.065, "text": "All right. Uh we we colleagues, we we have with us uh members from Uh IAFF uh or some union leaders, uh because they're not part of administration, we can't ask them to approach. But I would also like an opportunity maybe to ask them to weigh in on behalf of the membership. That's typically not allowed. For us to do that, I believe we'd have to seek a suspension of the procedure bylaw to allow and invite them to speak uh to approach. Could I ask somebody to make that motion?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 3645.105, "end": 3647.925, "text": "Okay, moved by Councillor Clark, uh seconded by Councillor Ewell.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3648.405, "end": 3660.765, "text": "Uh I didn't prepare this in advance, but I'm gonna attempt a voice vote on that. Uh all in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, uh, I'd ask uh perhaps a representative from our Calgary Firefighters Association to please approach.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3672.865, "end": 3673.905, "text": "Get the cuff out of my system.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3673.925, "end": 3683.045, "text": "Similar question to you as to the chief. Uh, how do you feel this impacts your work? Uh is it is this something that you support? Uh do you have any advice for us as we pursue this direction?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3683.585, "end": 3725.125, "text": "Yeah, thanks for the question. You know, with in my time on Local Two Five Five, I've certainly seen the challenges of having the chief where he's located in the organization chart. As we move towards, you know, a city of two million people and a department well over two thousand members. I think we got to be ready to adapt, be transparent to taxpayers, and transparent to council about what direction we want to take this fire department in. It is somewhat of a unique structure, but I think we're in the position where we should be leading instead of following. And I think this would be a great example moving forward of how fire departments can operate and report to their prospective councils.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3725.785, "end": 3733.025, "text": "And if this was to get off the ground and to to be cruising at altitude, what would you see as some of the outcomes for your members?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3733.385, "end": 3751.365, "text": "Um it's certainly transparency to the membership. Um it's uh it's having that committee, you know, be able to um act more timely and more effectively and basically give the members a voice through us and through the chief to the committee and then directly to council.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3752.565, "end": 3758.065, "text": "And do you have any advice in terms of what that skills matrix matrix or that committee membership should look like?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3758.545, "end": 3759.625, "text": "From a public's perspective.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3759.625, "end": 3761.945, "text": "Now, who do you think should sit on this uh committee?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3762.465, "end": 3782.805, "text": "You know, that's that's uh hopefully gets flushed out a little bit in the terms and reference. But um, you know, we want we want people engaged in public safety. We want to create a safe, you know, city to live in, and we want people that are gonna be invested in seeing the fire department where we need to be, because right now we're not where we where we need to be, we need to get there.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3783.325, "end": 3790.885, "text": "And I I know there's nuance and debate on this, but uh former members of our Calgary Police Service, for example, are barred from sitting in our police commission.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3791.005, "end": 3791.245, "text": "Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3791.245, "end": 3798.265, "text": "Would you see it of value to have former firefighters, or would you like to keep this arm's length from the fire department in that way?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3799.005, "end": 3827.905, "text": "And again, from a selfish point of view, I'd love to see former members on it. I think they bring a great perspective about what the needs of the fire department are and what we need as we move forward. You know, I do see a conflict with that a little bit, but I think if if the if the vetting of those members is done properly, um I see huge value in members that served as firefighters, men and women, the Calgary Fire Department certainly have a valuable input in that in that committee.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3828.285, "end": 3835.725, "text": "Thank you very much uh for being here and uh coming up to speak. You probably weren't uh you're somewhat put him on the spot and I appreciate that.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3835.725, "end": 3837.725, "text": "It's all good. I didn't have any paper in my hand.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3837.725, "end": 3838.985, "text": "I'll see you at the scare climb.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 3839.345, "end": 3846.505, "text": "So, colleagues, if I can just debate briefly, I want to say thank you, Councillor Wynus, for your leadership, allowing me to put my name on this motion with you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3846.945, "end": 3892.705, "text": "For all the reasons that we've heard, I'm very happy to support this. I think just having the line of sight, the contact with the chief is really important. It's the level scrutiny as well, the oversight. Uh certainly I think the intent for many of us is to support our fire department as an essential service, making sure that the needs of the fire department are brought up to the surface. But then there's also the accountability element, right? It's it's important for such a large line item in our budget to have that level of. Uh polite, but polite scrutiny and oversight. And uh certainly with the support of the chief, the support of the membership, I think that this is a the prudent way to go to modernize um modernize how we deal with and address public safety, given that it's such a uh central priority for us as a council. So", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 3892.945, "end": 3894.685, "text": "over to Councillor Kelly for debate, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 3895.445, "end": 3971.125, "text": "Uh thank you, worship. Uh mainly I just wanted to enter the queue to thank Councillor Wine S for bringing this forward because uh as I've expressed to other members of council before, I'm not I'm not afraid of uh taking a look at the overall governance system to see what it what it is that we could do better or more innovatively, and this is sort of the first one that I've seen in our time here that is uh offering that. Uh I I recognize the fact that obviously the devil will be in the details, and so sort of to administration as we go forward and executing against this. Uh I'll be really interested to see what we come up with, uh what you propose as it relates to the terms of reference, et cetera, because um it'll be rather precedent setting in terms of so I encourage uh um administration to do a lot of due diligence here and not just think about it from the point of view of uh I fire protective services committee, but what it is that's happening here and how it may apply uh in the future, should we as a council decide to want to do something like this otherwise. I recognize the fact that we obviously can't have a committee for every single business unit of the city of Calgary. Uh, but this I I think is a is a great place for us to uh to start and take a look at uh see if there might be some better models where we can uh where we can get some more members of the public involved in uh in the governance. So happy to support today.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 3972.105, "end": 3973.065, "text": "Councillor McLean, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 3973.065, "end": 3977.885, "text": "Yeah, thanks, Mayor. I I uh I fully support this. We have a police commission that Council Ryanance and I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3978.085, "end": 4008.245, "text": "sit on very valuable tool for oversight. We need it for the firefighters as well. Very, very I've talked to a few retired firefighters and w a really huge reminder, and it's very sad to talk about it, was what would happen in Mahogany Lake. Not long ago. We don't have a dive team. We don't have some s oversight where something like that could present drownings or future deaths and we're already stretched to our limits. That this is uh we can talk about silly things about whether we're providing soda pop in our fridge. This is what's more important, so I'm gonna fully support this.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 4009.645, "end": 4011.965, "text": "Alrighty, over to Councillor Winnetz to close, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 4012.685, "end": 4013.205, "text": "Thanks.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 4013.425, "end": 4052.725, "text": "Um I hope you can all support this first of its kind governance model in Canada. We would be leaders if you support this and stand up this terms of reference. It will help us also connect the dots on the safety challenges that the fire department are seeing. Even with planning and redevelopment, I saw a fire truck making this really tight turn where uh we're told that a firetruck can get by. Yes, it can, but it almost scraped a few cars. Good thing the guy was an exceptional driver. Um, and I'm glad I didn't have to drive the firetruck that day. Uh but but things like that where our assumptions at council will be accurate to the real world experience of a firefighter is why this uh governance model is so important. So I please support.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4053.745, "end": 4057.965, "text": "All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote, please, on the recommendations.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 4074.165, "end": 4077.145, "text": "Councillor Jamison is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4077.465, "end": 4095.645, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. And that motion is carried 14 to 0. We'll now move to the notice of motion on downtown police station. I'm not allowed to allow any spontaneous applause from the audience.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 4095.905, "end": 4101.025, "text": "Thank you for your service, gentlemen. On that, uh Deputy Mayor Shabot, if you might don't mind taking the chair.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4103.985, "end": 4111.765, "text": "That's crazy. Exactly. I thought that was gonna that's right for the shot in there for water bottles.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 7 Myke Atkinson", "start": 4112.645, "end": 4113.445, "text": "There's a good shot.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 4128.585, "end": 4129.285, "text": "Mayor Ferkis.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4130.705, "end": 4130.845, "text": "Yep.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 4130.845, "end": 4133.825, "text": "If you don't mind, just give me a moment to get situated.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4134.565, "end": 4147.345, "text": "Sure. Is that what it is? So once again, I'm been relegated to Comic Relief.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 4156.425, "end": 4161.085, "text": "All right. Uh colleagues, thank you so much for this opportunity to uh introduce this notice of motion.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4161.505, "end": 4378.145, "text": "It is a notice of motion to explore the feasibility of a downtown police station. The reason that I'm bringing this forward is that public safety has been identified, I'd say, unanimously amongst this council as a key priority of ours, and ensuring that our downtown core is safe, welcoming, and prosperous is a central priority. And given that Calgary is now the only major city without a permanent downtown police station following the closure of our Victoria Park station in 2017, it bears examining whether that uh lack of uh permanent district office or community uh hub is uh appropriate. So uh I'll acknowledge the incredible leadership of the the police commission as well as the Calgary Police Chief, and I'll also acknowledge the the presence of the uh CPS community counter at uh 6th Avenue Southwest. But given that it doesn't constitute a district office, it doesn't have a 24-7 capacity, no patrol deployment, and no arrest processing function. Uh we know based on some of the most recent uh reports to us as a council that uh the 2025 annual policing plan year end uh report confirmed that violent crime and social disorder are disproportionately concentrated in the downtown core relative to the rest of the city. And I also want to take a moment to to include. Thank Council colleagues for engaging with members of the community. We know that policing is only one element to public safety. We know as a council we need to be not just tough on crime but also tougher on the causes, even still. Many of you have made uh very significant outreach opportunities uh available to your constituents, hosting town halls with the Calgary Police Service, uh, being present in the community to discuss this as a topic in each of your wards. And I'm sure that uh many of you have heard from local businesses and residents about the need to keep our foot on the gas on this. I will acknowledge that council has a jurisdiction responsibility to fully respect. We do not direct the operations of our Calgary Police Service. But that said, seeking information in terms of whether existing uh policing facilities are adequate or whether additional infrastructure resources are required to support effective policing is a core governance, an explicit core governance responsibility of us as a council. And this is uh stated out uh under the police act as well as the amending act. Uh I want to thank as well uh uh Commissioners uh Wines and McLean. I know that uh on your uh in terms of your debate that was brought at executive committee, it really underscored the need for us to work with Commission. And colleagues, you'll see in the the text above that the language that had been indicated from the police commission has been fully adopted here. And at this point, uh the Calgary Police Commission has confirmed that they will participate in a downtown station feasibility study if council wishes to conduct one. Uh, wanted to highlight some of the the tweaks to the actual be it resolved uh as compared to the executive committee. You'll see that it's not just establishing a uh feasibility of establishing a permanent CPS district office, it's now CPS district office or multi-service public safety and community hub. Uh you'll also see the explicit uh uh uh bullet four on the determination of whether the Calgary Police Commission supports the establishment of a new permanent police facility. So this isn't just whether it can be done, it's asking police commission's uh opinion on whether it should be done. So, with that, uh I'm I'm opened and I'm hoping that uh one of you are willing to second this motion.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 4381.245, "end": 4389.245, "text": "Thanks for that introduction. We've got some folks to speak. I'm sorry, do who's your seconder? Councillor McClain. Councillor Weinus, your first up", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 4391.305, "end": 4392.565, "text": "Thanks. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 4392.965, "end": 4518.505, "text": "just like at executive, the points I pointed out, uh the notice motion wasn't fully baked when exec passed it, and now we find ourselves here. Uh so now I get to debate. Uh you're overstepping uh into operations of the police. That is why we have the commission. This is a decision that was made by previous commissions and previous police chiefs to shut down the downtown station. A building doesn't make public safety. You can go to Maine and Hastings in Vancouver and see that there is a police station. They arrest people, they process them there. And Maine and Hastings is not safe. We have all the social services at in downtown East Side. Still not safe. Look at the and if you follow what's happening with the vulnerable homeless population and the SROs. We aren't solving this with buildings. We need health care. We need justice system reform. So to go down this path for campaign promises made, campaign promises kept is poor governance on this council. You can allow the police commission to do their job, and that would be better. You can allow the police chief to do her job. Because what you are walking yourself down to down the path of is uh the police have a budget ass that is coming before us, they will put the budget ask before us and will hopefully get uh this council to approve another 120 million dollars for this building or whatever the cost of this project will be. So it is poor governance if this council. Directs administration to do the work of the police in partnership with the police, and it is not going to solve this problem. So we can either come up with a better prop plan and use our governance authority on the safety well being plan, working with our civic partners and providing them funding because the money that we will spend on this could be better used to fund the groups that are out there doing the work. So I will not be supporting this. There's enough signatures on this that that is kind of a done deal, but this is poor governance on this council to actually go down this path and it's a bad precedent for us to set.", "segments_merged": 21 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 4520.705, "end": 4524.305, "text": "Councillor wynus, uh up next, Councillor Pantozopoulos.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 4524.305, "end": 4525.545, "text": "thanks so much, and just", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4526.625, "end": 4596.905, "text": "Maybe just uh questions for the mayor as he uh closes. Um, you know, the additions and and particularly if you could speak to uh the the the confirmation will participate. What did that feel like? What did that look like? I know there was some sensitivity and and number four, um just this is this a right of first refusal? You know, essentially we own budget. And um if if the police commission says go, no, go, we have a strategy, we sort of works. Maybe you could just sort of speak to that. Because that does feel like that where one, two, three is you're working in collaboration, and then there becomes this sort of final um uh you know, go no go. Particular when you talk about multi service hub, like I'm just trying to understand is the end of the day is if we want to have is just like Councillor Wyness said, uh uh a warming sta uh center, uh home regard I don't know what that looks like, some sort of consolidation with the province about a medical center, etc. and so forth. And and now all of a sudden we've given this authority and approval, which Which y you know in the original maybe we'd have a chance to chat, but maybe you could just sort of reconcile that. Was that the intent? Uh the right of first refusal. Given that it's a broader, I totally I can see the logic of a police station. Sure, you know, you have your strong opinion, but we're looking at sort of a multifaceted. So if you could in your close just address that, that would be uh wonderful. Uh thank you so much.", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 4601.045, "end": 4603.285, "text": "Councillor Pantasopoulos, Councillor McClain for debate.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 4603.545, "end": 4606.905, "text": "Yeah, just brief debate. I'm gonna support this surprise.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4607.865, "end": 4670.025, "text": "To me, what it is that we're exploring this, but a big reason why I think th the need for it would be required is not only visibility. We know that's important. We're talking about a free fare zone, and those could kind of go hand in hand. The reason why this is gonna that's gonna be a big debate is just because of maybe the crime and social disorder that's downtown. So we can work on that and it's just time, it's processing. Uh taking everybody up to the northwest. That takes a tremendous amount of time for our officers to be going back and forth for processing. Maybe we don't know what it looks like. Uh, I do know again that that's something I know the the province is very interested in public safety and different ways to tackle social disorder. Maybe there's uh some incentive from them we can we can explore these things. So that's what we're doing here is exploring it, and I think this is not only just a campaign promised by people, it's what the people wanted. If you did the surveys, that's what it was top of the list. What people wanted was the public safety. And and what we're seeing right now, just to be honest, is it is kind of unacceptable. We have to do something, and this is something. So I'll support.", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 4672.045, "end": 4673.925, "text": "Uh thanks, Councillor McClain, Councillor Schmidt.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 4675.185, "end": 4677.305, "text": "Uh thank you. Question for", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4677.745, "end": 4690.785, "text": "administration. Um how how do we have an estimate about the resources, administrative time, cost that would be needed to undertake? This first step.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 4698.305, "end": 4711.425, "text": "Councillor Schmidt, just while Ryan Meyer is coming down, I can tell you that we've done some sort of conversational scoping, but we were waiting for this direction in order to dig in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 4713.945, "end": 4748.265, "text": "Good afternoon. My name is Ryan Meyer from Project Development. Through the chair to Councillor Schmidt, we don't have a perfect answer to that question at this moment, and we can get back to you on that. But we have started to put together what a scope of work would be, both in terms of staff resources as well as consulting support. With a timeline, we would need consulting support to work through this and to work with Calgary Police to understand what those requirements would be while also looking at the various options that are proposed within the notice of motion.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4749.805, "end": 4761.425, "text": "Okay, thank you. Wondering if a later timeline would ease these those costs or the need for consultants.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 4763.885, "end": 4781.025, "text": "Uh through the through the chair to Councillor Schmidt. Uh at this time, the best way to tackle this will be through consultants, just to look at all the various options and to make sure that we're bringing you a robust options analysis and that it's truly technically feasible on the options that we would look at.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4781.165, "end": 4806.565, "text": "Okay. Now the I'll say that the multi service public safety and community hub was my suggestion. Does that Complicate this unnecessarily, or was that is that something that you see as being able to be integrated into the needs assessment process as well?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 4807.905, "end": 4828.885, "text": "Again, through the chair, I don't see that as a huge complicating factor. We do this on a regular basis as we look at needs. We would certainly start with uh the needs of police and look at what else is happening within the downtown core and what some of those partners would be. I don't see it as a significant um diversion from what we would do.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4829.145, "end": 4861.525, "text": "Okay, thank you. Next question is uh most likely for City Solicitor Flowen, but I I I put a lot of weight on Councillor Y Ness's comments here and her concerns. So wondering if it's possible to clarify how closely we're skirting the line here in In governance and um essentially staying within our lane from from a legal perspective with the split between commission and council.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4863.145, "end": 4927.645, "text": "For sure. Um so section 27 of the police act makes it clear that a municipality uh that has res assumed responsibility for establishing a municipal police service shall establish and maintain, quote, an adequate and effective municipal police service. And the act further goes on to clarify what the roles and responsibilities of police commission is. The act is very clear that council does not have the authority of police commission, and that police commission is responsible for allocating the funds that council approves in the budget, and that that budget is created and presented to council through a collaboration of the police chief and police commission. So, in other words, council does not does not create that budget. They just have a responsibility for ensuring an adequate and effective service. And when it comes to establishing the budget, council can ask some questions in furtherance of that.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4929.385, "end": 5113.425, "text": "Okay, thank you. I'll end with a short, well maybe not short debate, whatever, three minutes, I guess. Um I I d d did and still do have some concerns about going down this process. I I I think based on the signatories to this and the fact that it Would have a the greatest effect on the wards of both myself and Councillor Atkinson and to some extent Councillor Clark. Um I I do thank the mayor for uh allowing the the multi service public safety and community hub aspect to be in there. That that's very important to me. I think that with if it should we pass safer together today, that is something that aligns with that strategy. Um Was this the most ideal way for us to go down this route? I have some thoughts about that. But given the pressures and the needs of the community in Ward 8, where you last week I was meeting with a business owner at his business about his public safety issues. I have another meeting with a condo board next week around the same thing. It is something that I'm finding myself doing every week. So I will support this today because of the strong emphasis I will put on the value of having something that is different than a district office, where it includes multiple partners, because the public safety issues that are being proposed or uh communicated with me from people who are experiencing this every day, whether that be their home or their business, is with Mostly nonviolent crime, but disruption, property crime, and trespassing, and that to me speaks to the need for the multi-service hub because we can't arrest our way out of those types of crimes because you're not going to keep somebody in jail forever for nonviolent crimes. And so the value of having a place where we can better coordinate the services and the collaboration, the collaborative work that we're already doing, I think that would be the primary benefit here, and would actually benefit the people who are experiencing this every day, whether or not they are the ones suffering from mental health and addictions issues or the people who are dealing with the disruption in their everyday lives. So what I would like to see as a final product with this is that multi-service model and I think back to the old rise up idea that uh died on the vine and if we can rejuvenate that that is what I see is the most positive outcome here.", "segments_merged": 18 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5117.405, "end": 5118.525, "text": "Thank you, uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 5120.765, "end": 5123.685, "text": "Councillor Schmidt. Uh Councillor Tyres, sir, up next.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 1 Kim Tyers", "start": 5123.865, "end": 5143.145, "text": "Uh yeah. Um first question was about the multi-service public safety and community hub. Um what role would the district office be in that hub? And how what percentage of like I I guess I'm just trying to figure out like what what percentage would be police and what percentage would be", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5144.205, "end": 5145.565, "text": "you know, community hub.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5149.785, "end": 5155.365, "text": "Councillor Tyres, I don't think we've had a chance to scope that out yet. I'm not aware of", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5155.805, "end": 5213.225, "text": "Okay, so it's a brand brand new idea that we're we're uh we're just exploring right now. Okay, thank you for that. Um when we came up with safer city colleagues um as a council priority, this is exactly what I had in mind. So happy to see it. Calgaryans have been clear that they don't feel safe downtown. This is especially true for women in our city who often face the greatest risk walking alone when it's dark uh downtown. So I want to see Calgary be in line with other major cities, as uh our mayor just um said, which always almost always have downtown police stations. Um and visibility of our outstanding women and men that serve with the Calgary Police Service is an important tool to. Uh improve our public safety. So I'm happy to support this initiative so we can continue to build a safe city where Calgarians do not skip on visiting our downtown because they don't feel safe. Thanks.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 5215.045, "end": 5218.005, "text": "Thanks, Councillor Tyres. Councillor Johnson, you have the floor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 5219.365, "end": 5225.745, "text": "Sorry, um just for people who don't understand why we had a downtown office, um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 5226.285, "end": 5237.165, "text": "I think it was under Chief. Chaffin that we got rid of it. What why did we get rid of the earlier downtown office? District office, sorry.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 5241.165, "end": 5247.825, "text": "Councillor Johnston, I don't think there's anyone who here who could speak to what went into that decision. Sorry.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 5248.125, "end": 5249.525, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 5252.305, "end": 5265.465, "text": "I'm just worried we're gonna make the same mistake. So I'm I'm hoping this notice of motion as it looks that it's exploratory in nature that we can learn from the mistakes from the past and hopefully rectify those. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 5265.985, "end": 5286.685, "text": "I mean there there's a lot to this. Um I guess time frame if we come back quarter four, twenty twenty six. Um I guess ideally when could we have a downtown station um ready to go? Uh guesstimate. Ten years, twenty years?", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5287.925, "end": 5298.765, "text": "I know Mr. Meyer just sat down. I think it really depends on the outcome of the initial scoping study and what we're looking at. So we kind of give you an understanding until we know the site and size and more complexity.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 5298.965, "end": 5299.985, "text": "Okay. Yeah, that was a", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 5300.765, "end": 5303.585, "text": "yeah. No, no worries. Um that's all I had. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5308.465, "end": 5313.605, "text": "Uh thank you, Councillor Johnson. Um the mayor can uh oh sorry. Um", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 5314.305, "end": 5315.145, "text": "Councillor Atkinson.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5315.705, "end": 5316.065, "text": "Go ahead.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 7 Myke Atkinson", "start": 5317.145, "end": 5402.745, "text": "Yeah, I won't be supporting this today. We heard that it is the role and responsibility of the police commission to sort of say what funds they need, how those funds should be used, and that is on capital as well as operating. So we we approve capital in our budget for the police, and those asks come directly from the police commission. It is not ours to be making determinations whether that's oh, we decided that it would be really nice to have a safer presence downtown, so let's uh let's land a tank in. That's not the purview of council. That is why we have a police commission. Uh we we don't make capital decisions for the police, and we don't make operational decisions for the police in terms of how they spend their money to advance policing efforts within our city. Um safety within downtown absolutely is a concern. I hear it from businesses and residents and folks visiting downtown. Absolutely, it is something that we need to be dealing with. But buildings do not provide safety, period. They do not provide safety. What uh a motion like this is doing is putting off the real needs of Calgarians right now.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5403.625, "end": 5554.905, "text": "that uh things that are happening right now, hanging them in The hopes of a motion coming together for some building that will transform policing within the downtown. No, the folks who are doing that work need to be supported. They need to have their operational and capital needs met. Those asks come from the police commission, and you either trust the police commission to be doing the vetting and working with the Calgary Police Service to decide what those numbers are and land the proper safety precautions that need to come from police in the downtown, uh, or you don't. And and making a decision like this is saying that you do not actually trust the police commission. You do not trust uh the Calgary Police Service to advocate to us their budgetary asks on a capital uh request model and uh and on an operational model. So I won't be supporting this. I you know, I will be supporting what the police commission brings to council in the budget. In the fall, because that is how the police is going to be able to meet the needs of now. Not five years from now, ten years from now, when this building maybe comes to fruition. We need to not be pulling away operational resources and planning resources. There are significant planning resources that go into emotion and meeting the needs of a motion like this that uh pull our attention away. And we can suddenly sort of say, okay, downtown businesses, okay, downtown residents, don't worry. There's a building coming. A building's coming, and that's going to be your savior for safety. No, no. We should have the expectation of our police and our our our Police Commission to be doing right by the residents and the businesses of downtown tomorrow and in the next budget ask, not five years down the road when this building maybe comes to fruition. So I won't be supporting this today. And I uh I I would ask my my fellow counselors to not wade into this territory and instead to use the mechanisms that are are not just in place within our council chambers, but they are in place at a higher level of government to pull those pieces out because there is serious consequences to having political meddling within police. We shouldn't be doing it. I'll end there.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5557.825, "end": 5698.905, "text": "Uh thank you, Councillor Atkinson. I'm gonna weigh in briefly. I uh initially you signed on to this notice of motion because it's I guess for lack of a better term, it's like motherhood in apple pie. It's it's uh it's a feel good, sound good kind of uh initiative. I'm not sure what the deliverable is going to look like in the end. Certainly likely this is going to pass. And so I'm kind of looking forward to seeing what uh what the outcome is going to be of this. Um we uh we do know that that there's been some changes with regards to the composition of the Calgary Planning Commission, including uh introduction by the provincial government to add members of their choosing, which is not all of our decision making. So the province is at the table, as it were. Um I I think I guess from the what it comes down to for me is if this had been driven by uh the police commission initially and they had come forward um as a you know a request from council, then I would be likely more inclined to see this to the end. Um as a a directive from counsel. Um I think Council Wynus's uh argument was quite compelling. Um and uh And like I say, I I do believe this is going to go through based on what I've heard so far around the table. I just don't know what kind of uh um consultation is gonna result from the discussions with the province. Um we certainly could use some additional funding from the province. We've stated before uh our per capita amount hasn't been augmented since I've been on council and it hasn't been indexed to uh to inflation, which certainly would be extremely beneficial to us. Um Whilst it still does track with population, it's falls far short of what our need is uh in so far as meeting the inflationary changes. It's been over 21 years, so I think it's time for at least an inflationary increase. Uh, anyways, um be very interested in hearing what the discussions are with the province in relations to this, so I'm happy to see that it's included in the in the motion. But uh for today I I'm not gonna support this and certainly interested in seeing what the outcome is gonna be. Back to you to close. Oh, sorry. Councillor Johnson, question?", "segments_merged": 53 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 5699.605, "end": 5702.005, "text": "Is that okay? Just a quick clarification question?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5702.805, "end": 5706.945, "text": "Only one option to speak at you've had your opportunity, I'm I'm afraid.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 5707.125, "end": 5707.445, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 5708.685, "end": 5711.185, "text": "Uh over to you to close, uh Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 5712.165, "end": 5713.845, "text": "Thank you, uh Deputy Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5714.145, "end": 5897.405, "text": "Uh to address some of the points that were raised, um uh Councillor Wyness indicated that uh in one sentence we we don't know what the cost will be, but then indicated that it's not worth say $150 million, which I believe was the estimate at the or 120. Uh we don't know that, right? So it's not possible to not know how much it will cost and also think that it's perhaps too expensive and not worth uh investment. So both of those things are are contradictory, and this is very much about uh undertaking their quest for information. And along those lines, uh it was also stated that this was a bad precedent to set. This is not the first time that Calgary City Council has sought information from Calgary Police Commission and City Administration in terms of the operations of a downtown center. Uh I myself, as a police commission member, as well as uh with many other council colleagues, uh, submitted an administrative inquiry that was very similar in form and substance, a review of options, cost estimates, and uh a weighing in on why the uh station was closed previously. So this is within best practice, and this is within the precedent that was set back in 2019 for that request for information. Next, uh, whether uh on the topic of staying within our lane, it's squarely within the police act and police amending act that a responsibility, an obligation of us as a counsel is to seek information from Calgary Police Commission. It's not to direct police commission, but it's to seek information to have the assurance of uh an effective uh police service. So this is very much about seeking that information. Uh next, this does not lock us into a course of action, it's simply an exploration of option, uh options, a review of feasibility. Uh next, on the economic case, uh in terms of police commission, fully respect the chief, fully uh respect chief uh rather chair Siddiqui as well as our commission members, two council appointees as well as uh provincial. That said, administration may have access to information that otherwise would not be available to the police commission, one of which is the level of fees that were within various reserve accounts that are dedicated specifically to public safety. So a scan of potentially tens or hundreds of millions of dollars that could be available for inner city development of a multi-service facility, including the police service, could be money that is out there that is restricted that they're not aware of. Another option could be potentially a surplus within our community revitalization levies through the our Calgary Municipal Land Corporation. That is money that would be specifically tied to that geo geography that otherwise the Commission may not be aware of. I also want to indicate that the provincial government has indicated that they are not willing to participate on photo, radar, and fine revenue. However, they've indicated strong public support for participation in a downtown police station. So there could be money not available for fine revenue, but there could be money that's available for operating andor potentially both capital from the provincial government. So uh with that, I'm closed, Deputy Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5898.485, "end": 5903.405, "text": "Great timing. Um clerk or Ms. Clerk, can you queue up the East Cry, please?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 5924.985, "end": 5937.405, "text": "Councillor Atkinson, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Johnston, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Jameson is absent. Deputy Mayor Chabot, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5937.765, "end": 5950.165, "text": "Please display the results. That motion is carried. Sorry, 1123 with counselors", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 5950.505, "end": 5953.105, "text": "Atkinson, Chabot, and Wynus voting against.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5953.445, "end": 5953.765, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 5965.965, "end": 5975.105, "text": "All right. Uh Madam Clerk, I believe we're on the field house committee scheduling item, is that correct? Is it on the consent agenda items poll?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 5975.165, "end": 5981.725, "text": "That's correct, Mayor Farkas. That was the first procedural item that was pulled off of the consent agenda. Item 7.1.1.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5982.245, "end": 5984.465, "text": "Okay. Uh I believe it was", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 5984.885, "end": 5985.265, "text": "Councillor Dollywell.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 5985.265, "end": 5987.265, "text": "Councillor Jollywell. Are you with us, Councillor Jollywell?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 5 Raj Dhaliwal", "start": 5988.505, "end": 5989.585, "text": "Yes, uh, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_43", "start": 5990.525, "end": 6002.325, "text": "I think it's a straightforward uh this an amendment uh that we are changing the date and time on the multi sport fueled house committee meeting. Uh I think clerks have it. Can we display it?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6003.225, "end": 6005.365, "text": "It's displayed, Councillor Dollywall.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_43", "start": 6006.285, "end": 6022.125, "text": "Thank you so much. We are changing the date from 25th of June to 26th from 1 p.m. to 9 30 a.m. So a straightforward uh uh just uh amendment to change the date. Thank", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6024.105, "end": 6030.605, "text": "All right, that's been moved by Councillor Dollywall, seconded by uh Councillor Pandasopoulos. Any further discussion on this, colleagues?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6032.985, "end": 6038.885, "text": "Uh I'll just verify with uh Madam Clerk the space is available and there's no conflicts.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6039.245, "end": 6040.125, "text": "No conflicts, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6040.925, "end": 6044.665, "text": "All right, uh let's engage the evote on that, uh Madam Clerk.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6062.065, "end": 6068.085, "text": "Councillor Johnson, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas. Councillor Jamison is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6069.165, "end": 6076.465, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 14 to 0.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6077.865, "end": 6081.685, "text": "And am I right that we're on the other consent agenda item polls? Items pulled.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6083.125, "end": 6085.825, "text": "That's right, Mayor. The next one would be item 7.8.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6086.125, "end": 6089.965, "text": "Okay, we are on 7.8 safer together, community safety and well being plan for Cowder.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 6094.325, "end": 6104.745, "text": "Thank you so much, counselors. Thank you, Mayor. Um, so the very first thing I would like to pose to council is whether or not the presentation is something you would like to see again.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6105.345, "end": 6111.565, "text": "I'm gonna say it was very robust at committee, and I'm gonna go uh straight to the uh request to speak.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 6112.105, "end": 6112.785, "text": "Perfect.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6112.785, "end": 6117.685, "text": "Unless there's an objection, colleagues. Okay, seeing none, uh over to Councillor Wines, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 6118.165, "end": 6122.485, "text": "Thanks. Um I I pulled this because the strategy", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 6123.065, "end": 6237.105, "text": "when I compared it to other municipalities, Edmonton i is is our Kind of sister municipality under the same police act as us. And they have a more robust plan with with with clear KPIs, with better partnerships with those serving to meet the needs. And we've had this conversation before. And so I I'd like to send this back to admin, and I know like Councillor Schmidt and I are almost in alignment where he wants to keep it going forward with one tweak, and I want to send and get the plan. More effectively written. And if you were to actually read and do a side by side of the two plans with us and Edmonton, you can see why they will start actually achieving faster than what this plan will drive for your implementation strategy. The amendment is clerks has it. I just don't know what's not on screen. There we go. Thanks. table because again one of the misses with this was working with the police commission you were working with the police but commission was just presented as an afterthought we do need that governance structure in there we do need to show all of the tables that exist in trying to tackle this this is not again this is missing in the document uh so I am just hoping council will actually and I know you guys have some of this already that you will be able to actually deliver I've been working with GM Black on that piece of it um and it they will be able to deliver I did set a further timeline but if administration can pull this together sooner They can present it to us sooner. But I think it is very important for something where we're suddenly doing ad hoc police station and building decision making. We need to actually have a plan with deliverables and KPIs. And this plan is so far from that. So I hope you guys can support, but I am going to try and at least create a framework of success that this plan does not have.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6238.425, "end": 6245.405, "text": "Okay, that uh has been moved by Councillor Wines. Is there a second here? Yeah, seconded by Councillor McLean.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6246.485, "end": 6247.705, "text": "Uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6248.105, "end": 6255.105, "text": "Councillor Schmidt, I don't believe you have an amendment to the referral. It was an amendment to the main, so I'll acknowledge you on your amendment should this referral fail.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 6256.165, "end": 6260.905, "text": "And uh uh just a point of procedure, do we have to move the item", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6261.385, "end": 6262.645, "text": "before bringing the amendment?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6263.665, "end": 6264.485, "text": "Oh, yes, we do.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6264.805, "end": 6265.385, "text": "That's correct.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6266.025, "end": 6268.705, "text": "Can I please have a mover and seconder for the main item?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 6268.985, "end": 6270.565, "text": "I can move the main item.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6270.965, "end": 6279.485, "text": "Moved by Councillor Schmidt. Uh second by Councillor Clark. I'm sorry to shortcut this. You're owed an opportunity to open on the item. Sorry, Councillor Schmidt.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 6279.525, "end": 6281.505, "text": "Uh yes, thank you. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6281.925, "end": 6456.445, "text": "I spent some time since The committee meeting speaking to some of the stakeholders and administration, I do have another amendment coming that would provide uh an inter a report back in July before our final strategic budget meeting that would have the opportunity for the implementation budget and and KPI in information details to be provided. I'm not but just to flag that, but as far as the community safety and well being plan as a whole goes, um This is what we need to be doing as a city and and I take Councillor YNS's points, uh, but I think administration delivered to us what what they thought would be a high level way for us to get this work started and to then work on the details together. There there was in my discussions with stakeholders and others there there was a lot of engagement that happened. They were provided the opportunity to do so and uh several meetings with invites went out and some of the responses I received is that further opportunity for that will get the same group of people out again because the ones who wanted to go went. And I think we need to get this within our strategic lineup For something that we can align the budget ask with sooner rather than later. And I think the work that Councillor Wyness will be proposing through her amendment can happen, but I would like it to happen with the overall strategy in place. So I'll be supporting moving this forward today, and um I would hope that we get eight others on board to do so because with us now having this plan to put a police station downtown. We need something in place that can inform that work in a way that highlights what we're already doing and gives us a path forward and allows police to do police work, fire to do fire work, and our partners in social services to do that work because we're not going to get better public safety by just policing our way out of this problem. And it will take a multi pronged approach, which we're already doing, and we finally now have a strategy to direct how we're doing that. So I'll have some more in close, but uh I'm hopeful that we can pass this today and continue on the path to making Calgary safer for everybody.", "segments_merged": 15 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6457.405, "end": 6459.045, "text": "Okay, Councillor Schmidt, uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6459.245, "end": 6469.165, "text": "we're in a bit of a procedural pickle. I had acknowledged uh Councillor uh Wyness to speak earlier. What I'm gonna rule here is to allow you to make the motion as with an amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6469.465, "end": 6475.545, "text": "So is it possible you could put on the screen and we'll have recognized you having moved the motion with your amendment?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6476.385, "end": 6478.065, "text": "No. Madam Clerk?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6478.505, "end": 6490.225, "text": "Thanks, Mayor. It's actually on the amendment, so it will be on the next one. So if we could have Councillor Wyness um make the motion as after amendment, and we'll just strike out. I'll show you on the next screen.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6490.325, "end": 6490.625, "text": "Can't.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6490.785, "end": 6492.965, "text": "Yeah, it'll be on Councillor Wyness as one.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6493.305, "end": 6499.605, "text": "Okay. I think, Madam Clerk, though, the the heart of it is I believe that the two intentions may be contrary. I believe that Councillor", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6500.105, "end": 6508.385, "text": "Schmidt is is seeking an amendment to the main motion, whereas Councillor Wyness is as a referral. Both can't proceed uh simultaneously.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6508.425, "end": 6529.345, "text": "Exactly. And the motion that we had originally put up, the one motion that was put up together had both in the same. If you wouldn't mind bringing that up, please. You'll see that what we displayed was it said that the recommendations be amended and then that the motion be referred. So we already have a conflict on this one as well that we need to correct.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6529.825, "end": 6532.285, "text": "Okay. How do you recommend we uh proceed?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6541.865, "end": 6546.425, "text": "Okay, based on that, uh colleagues, uh I'm going to acknowledge Councillor Schmidt to attempt his amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6548.865, "end": 6550.205, "text": "Okay, go ahead, Councillor Schmidt.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 6550.445, "end": 6551.025, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6551.285, "end": 6552.425, "text": "Then uh should that am", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6552.825, "end": 6557.465, "text": "we'll resolve that amendment and then I'll be going back to uh Councillor Weines on the uh referral.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 6560.225, "end": 6570.085, "text": "So just to s sorry to be clear, this will be oh I see now. Okay, thank you. Uh so this this was the amendment that was circulated to council", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6571.085, "end": 6652.405, "text": "on Sunday. Uh it w essentially Has a simplified version of I think what Councillor Yes is proposing in many ways, but that we would have those implementation details, key performance measures, and budget details no later than July 2026 in place so that we can have that information when we look at the more detailed aspect of the budget. And then the second point will provide us regular up annual updates about how the performance measures are doing. And certainly I think there would be room for us to modify that if we want to see it more often, if we'd like to see more work done, as Councillor Wyness suggested, with things like a dashboard and um different types of partnerships with other stakeholders. I I really think we need to maintain the momentum and that this gives us some of those details before we make our budget decisions and then Once we're further down the path, if we want to see more details, if we want to see some re-engagement, we can do that work. But the bones of what we need to do are here, and I would uh hope", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 6652.925, "end": 6657.365, "text": "for your support to go down this path. So uh I will leave it at that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6658.125, "end": 6663.445, "text": "All right, so this amendment has been moved by Councillor Schmidt. It's been seconded by uh Councillor Dollywall.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6663.985, "end": 6665.885, "text": "And Madam Clerk, you wanted to weigh in?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6667.565, "end": 6683.425, "text": "Yes, please, Mayor Farkas, just so that we're abundantly clear what council will be voting on. What is on the screen now is an amendment, but what I heard you say is that Councillor Schmidt would be moving the original with the amendment included, correct? Because you had recognized", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6683.425, "end": 6692.685, "text": "Uh I think we're at a point where that cat's or that uh cow's out of the barn, so let's let maybe we'll deal with this as an amendment rather than moving it as a different piece.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6692.885, "end": 6693.845, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6695.105, "end": 6696.325, "text": "All right, uh calling", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 6696.325, "end": 6708.245, "text": "Point of order to to be clear in terms of this. I just want to get clear. So we went to the m we went to uh Councillor Y Ness's amendment by accident. We went back with uh Councillor Schmidt to get the the main on the table.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6708.245, "end": 6708.885, "text": "That's correct.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6709.065, "end": 6714.185, "text": "So I I made an error by acknowledging Councillor Wynus first because the main matter hadn't been put on the table yet.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 6714.585, "end": 6721.365, "text": "But then w instead of f going back to Councillor Yess's amendment, we've put Councillor Schmidt's amendment on the table.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6721.365, "end": 6732.145, "text": "Yes, for for procedural fairness, Councillor Schmidt had intended to introduce the main item and immediately move to an amendment. So that's why I that's why I've acknowledged Councillor Schmidt here because of my own error and my own mistake.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 6732.945, "end": 6750.885, "text": "Yeah, so I on this point of order, I I correct me if I'm wrong through the chair to clerks, but I I would have thought the appropriate procedure would be once we had the main the main motion on the table to go back to Councillor wine ass for her amendment, and then depending on what happens there, to go back to Councillor Schmidt for his potential amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6750.985, "end": 6759.345, "text": "Yeah, and I I had heard the recommendation from Madam Clerk on proceeding first to Councillor Schmidt's uh amendment, and that's why I've done it this way.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6759.805, "end": 6780.565, "text": "No, sorry, just to clarify, I wasn't aware that Councillor Schmidt had an amendment. Um what I thought he was doing was putting the motion on the floor. That was a surprise um for me in the meeting. Um now that I see what it is, um, and then I heard you mayor say that he would move it after amendment, that would have been allowable, but now we're back to just an amendment, so we're", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6781.725, "end": 6797.785, "text": "Okay, we're we're we're in a pickle here and I'm gonna allow council ultimately to decide whether to deal with Councillor schmidt or Councillor wyness. Uh the way I'm gonna allow council to decide is I'm gonna rule that Councillor schmidt's amendment has been placed. If there's a challenge to the chair.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 6797.785, "end": 6799.065, "text": "Chair, like", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6798.465, "end": 6798.565, "text": "Yep.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6799.085, "end": 6803.225, "text": "Yep. So and again, this was my error and mistake. So Councillor uh wynus", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6803.545, "end": 6804.885, "text": "has uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6805.545, "end": 6807.485, "text": "has put forward a motion shall the", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6808.045, "end": 6812.645, "text": "ruling of the chair be upheld? And I believe Councillor Johnson, I'm sure you'll second that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 6813.425, "end": 6814.585, "text": "he already threw his hand up,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6814.585, "end": 6818.465, "text": "All right, Councillor Johnson has seconded that. So essentially vote", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6819.485, "end": 6820.045, "text": "vote.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6820.525, "end": 6825.745, "text": "Y yes if you wish to deal with Councillor Schmidt's amendment first.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6826.585, "end": 6830.525, "text": "Vote no if you wish to deal with Councillor Weinus first.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 6830.525, "end": 6831.065, "text": "which was", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 6831.525, "end": 6833.225, "text": "played placed first,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6833.425, "end": 6833.625, "text": "Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 6833.625, "end": 6837.845, "text": "and the chair erred in his ruling and he didn't communicate effectively with the clerk.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6838.345, "end": 6873.125, "text": "Yeah, and I apologize, Councillor Weines. Uh I've I fully missed that. So again, uh Uh colleagues of my intent was to acknowledge Councillor Schmidt on the main item and give him the opportunity to address that. So on the challenge of the chair of whether to deal with Councillor Weinus's or Councillor Schmidt's first, and again on the challenge of the chair, a yes would be to allow Councillor Schmidt his chance to make an amendment, and a no would be to not allow Councillor Schmidt a chance of an amendment and instead go to a referral from Councillor We've. Over to Councillor McClain.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 6873.845, "end": 6875.185, "text": "Yeah, just uh to clerks.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6877.645, "end": 6883.745, "text": "I guess never once this ever happened before because sometimes I think what we're looking at whether you believe in", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 6884.945, "end": 6887.005, "text": "if Councillor Y Ness was first", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6887.585, "end": 6888.965, "text": "then to overrule that", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 6889.585, "end": 6893.365, "text": "then do we need a maybe a supermajority. I mean, is this just a charity decision or is this something", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6893.765, "end": 6896.785, "text": "you know, is there a president for who gets their first kind of thing or is this just", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 6897.245, "end": 6899.405, "text": "are we just on the fly here, just you know", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6899.685, "end": 6901.465, "text": "council's decision on this is", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 6902.165, "end": 6904.805, "text": "Yeah, sorry, but it's is this is never been here before.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6905.165, "end": 6933.465, "text": "Thank you for the question, Councillor McLean. Through the chair, I don't recall this particular circumstance before. That being said, we do maintain a queue. The queue is typically followed, but it's it's a busy meeting. It's it's been a long day, so I can see how we found ourselves here. There is no reconsideration. Um, under the procedure bylaw, the chair does make rulings and any member of council can appeal that ruling. So we are definitely following that protocol.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 6934.725, "end": 6937.225, "text": "Okay, and I'm and no one's blaming you, just to be clear.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6937.965, "end": 6945.225, "text": "Blame me. I'm I'm I get the credit and the blame for everything, Councillor McClain. Uh over to uh or sorry, Councillor Penazophilis.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 6945.225, "end": 6945.645, "text": "Just", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6945.925, "end": 6958.705, "text": "and it's our first time too getting through this, but when I just looked at the RTS, maybe it's just for clerks. Um, you know, generally one was RTS amendment, one was RTS. And I looked at the RTS, debate the main matter, the main motion.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 6958.865, "end": 6976.905, "text": "And then during debate, there was a motion to move. So so fundamentally, the procedure bylaw, like what does it fundamentally say? If I put RTS dash amendment, I don't, like, and unfortunately it's all we have, like, or else you like what I actually thought we were gonna debate the main motion, and now an amendment came and now is the main motion approved. So just if you could um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6976.905, "end": 6981.125, "text": "I'll respond briefly. The practice typically is RTS to move the matter.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6981.645, "end": 6985.585, "text": "But in this case, Councillor Wynus did not move the matter. She", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6985.825, "end": 6986.605, "text": "essentially", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6986.985, "end": 6991.665, "text": "made a referral motion to send the matter back to administration, so it did not get a proper", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 6991.985, "end": 6996.525, "text": "opening and close and process to allow for amendments that is traditionally allowed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6996.785, "end": 7007.665, "text": "Typically, every other item council will deal with is that the item will come to us, we'll move the item, we'll second the item, and then council will decide what to do with the item. Councillor Wynus's motion was to immediately", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7007.865, "end": 7014.405, "text": "send it back to administration without the opportunity to properly uh make the committee recommendations, and that's where I heard.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7014.585, "end": 7022.325, "text": "In acknowledging Councillor Wynus for that referral immediately when the matter hadn't been moved or seconded. So that's my interpretation as chair. And", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7022.485, "end": 7024.305, "text": "perhaps Madam Clerk can correct me.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7025.525, "end": 7028.685, "text": "No, you're you're absolutely correct, Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 7029.545, "end": 7031.405, "text": "So it fundamentally okay, so there", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 7031.985, "end": 7035.085, "text": "could be a r uh an error in the okay, thank you. I just", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 7035.505, "end": 7036.725, "text": "wanted to clarify that. Thank you so much.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7036.725, "end": 7053.945, "text": "And what I will say is that if the amendment were approved or rejected, it does not preclude Councillor Weines from the opportunity to refer the new amended matter back. And so Councillor Wynus will be heard regardless. The question is whether Councillor Schmidt will be heard. So uh Councillor Johnston, please?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 7055.505, "end": 7070.705, "text": "Yeah, just uh clarification on some things here. Um I think the chair earlier this term had made a comment about bringing amendments to the floor without proper notice, and just for my sanity, would be be able to find out which one of these amendments were.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7071.325, "end": 7073.005, "text": "Brought to the clerks before the other one.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7081.565, "end": 7087.445, "text": "It I can confirm that Councillor Y Ness's amendment was received first.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 7087.805, "end": 7089.325, "text": "Thank you. That's all I need to ask.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7090.465, "end": 7093.285, "text": "And just to verify though, it's not an amendment, it's a referral.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7093.785, "end": 7094.305, "text": "Is that right?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7094.565, "end": 7102.165, "text": "Sorry, that's correct. It was put together as an amendment to refer, which I only noticed that we needed to correct that error when it went up on the screen, but that's right.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7103.185, "end": 7105.665, "text": "Okay, so I'm uh I'm about to call the question here. The uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7106.005, "end": 7155.965, "text": "The the rule the the question is shall the ruling of the chair be upheld? Uh my ruling was to allow Councillor Schmidt an opportunity to make an amendment. So a yes is to allow Councillor Schmidt the the opportunity to make this amendment. A no is to not allow him the opportunity and go to Councillor Weines. What I will say is that if Councillor Weyness's referral were to pass, Councillor Schmidt would never have an opportunity to make his amendment. Whereas if Councillor Schmidt's amendment were to succeed or to fail, Councillor Wyness will have an opportunity regardless. So I ruled in the way that I did in order to allow a more fulsome opportunity for all council members to be heard. If we go to Councillor Weines first, Councillor Schmidt will now not have an opportunity to make his case and to have a vote. Whereas Councillor Wynes, regardless of the outcome, will have an opportunity to be able to make her case.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7157.065, "end": 7158.265, "text": "So, Councillor Kelly, please?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 7158.545, "end": 7167.365, "text": "I appreciate that clarification, Mayor. That uh that helps. The question that I wanted to ask right now, though, was just uh through the clerks. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 7168.525, "end": 7175.245, "text": "In the procedure bylaw, is there an order of precedence for amendments versus motions to refer? Or are they treated equally?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7176.645, "end": 7231.345, "text": "Um they are not one moment. Let me just pull that up. So it's with an appendix D. Um a motion to amend, which is section six, is lower. So highest to lower. So the one that is higher is a motion to refer. So an amendment, so motion to refer takes precedence over a motion to amend. However, we started out with a main motion and then we move to an amendment. So there is no referral motion on the floor. So we have to just kind of undo how we got here.", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 7232.805, "end": 7248.105, "text": "But correct me if I'm wrong, we got the main mo as I outlined a minute ago. We got the main motion on the floor and then we went we should have gone back to Councillor Wyness for the motion to refer. Would that take would that a motion to refer after a main is on the floor take precedence over an amendment?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 7248.425, "end": 7250.285, "text": "It would. Thank you very much.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7250.285, "end": 7258.865, "text": "So, so actually, based on that, that's material for me, and I hadn't reviewed that uh schedule. So, Madam Clerk, are you saying that the the we we take primacy on", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7259.405, "end": 7260.405, "text": "the uh referral?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7261.805, "end": 7270.225, "text": "So once a referral motion has been made, and if that motion is on the floor, that motion has to be dispensed with. No one can make a motion to amend.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7271.325, "end": 7276.225, "text": "Okay, so uh I actually I don't know if we've done this, but based on that evidence, I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7277.025, "end": 7277.525, "text": "I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7277.665, "end": 7280.685, "text": "don't abide by my ruling. So again, I've", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7281.065, "end": 7286.745, "text": "I made the ruling. Now that the the ruling had been made, the motion is before council. What I will say is that", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7287.225, "end": 7290.705, "text": "I was quite clearly wrong based on what Councillor uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7291.085, "end": 7293.405, "text": "Or rather, what Madame Clerk has said here. So", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7293.625, "end": 7301.105, "text": "what I'd say is that the the ruling of that, that ruling that I'd made based on my understanding should not be upheld. And I believe that we should overrule", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7301.325, "end": 7301.785, "text": "uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7302.625, "end": 7303.745, "text": "that ruling. So", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7304.205, "end": 7307.205, "text": "based on the evidence and based on what Madame Clerk has said to us,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7307.725, "end": 7311.525, "text": "don't uphold that ruling that I made then. And if I had the opportunity to make the ruling now,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7311.825, "end": 7312.885, "text": "I wouldn't have made the ruling.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 7313.325, "end": 7314.605, "text": "Thank you very much, Mayor. I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7314.605, "end": 7319.005, "text": "And it's important for me to eat crow if I understand that the procedure bylaw says something contrary.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 7319.465, "end": 7332.905, "text": "I I I appreciate the order that you were attempting to do it in. I think it it actually, I'll be honest, makes the most amount of sense to me. Uh but the rules are the rules and uh and in this particular case, Councillor White Nass deserves to uh go first in this particular case.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 7332.905, "end": 7333.285, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7333.405, "end": 7351.405, "text": "Okay, so th this motion is on the table. It's shall the ruling be upheld? Uh functionally vote yes if you want Councillor Schmidt to have a shot. Uh vote no if you want to go back to Councillor Weinus. I would urge you to vote no based on the application of the rules. And I uh Councillor, I do apologize. I try to keep our meetings speedy and try to do this fair, but", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7351.705, "end": 7352.365, "text": "based on", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7352.565, "end": 7362.585, "text": "what had come to light here, I'm very happy to to say that I erred in this. All right, back to you, Councillor Weinus. I guess you close on the the question of the ruling.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 7363.105, "end": 7365.745, "text": "Thank you. Um as a council, our job is", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7366.465, "end": 7374.145, "text": "to govern and to make sure that the strategies and plans are to the standard we expect to deliver for", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 7374.985, "end": 7376.845, "text": "Oh on the ruling? Sorry, I'm ready to close the other one.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7376.845, "end": 7377.705, "text": "So you've challenged the", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 7377.705, "end": 7386.545, "text": "Challenge a chair on the ruling. I'm trying to f get through this meeting faster than we need to be. Uh but yeah the chair just acknowledged he was wrong so let's get this voted on.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7387.785, "end": 7392.445, "text": "All right, so again, uh vote yes if you'd like to go to Councillor Schmidt first. Uh vote no", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7392.945, "end": 7394.665, "text": "if you want to go to Councillor Weines first. All", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7396.285, "end": 7397.605, "text": "right, Madame Clerk, let's engage the vote.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7407.065, "end": 7409.865, "text": "Councillor Jameson is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7409.905, "end": 7411.325, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7415.745, "end": 7439.165, "text": "And on that, the motion has been defeated. 1 to 13. Only Councillor Dollywell is in favor. And I apologize, colleagues, for the for the last 10 minutes. Back to you, Councillor Weines. You've introduced the item. It was seconded by Councillor McLean. It's on the table. Let's get a speaker's queue. You had the opportunity to introduce it. Anyone wish to discuss this referral? All right, Councillor Schmidt, please. On the referral.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 7439.305, "end": 7441.345, "text": "Yes, like I said, in", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7441.885, "end": 7447.185, "text": "I don't think we'll even call it my open anymore. Um, whatever that was, um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 7447.345, "end": 7447.825, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 7448.165, "end": 7448.945, "text": "in that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7449.925, "end": 7502.025, "text": "I I don't disagree with what Councillor Wyness is proposing in the details here, but what I would ask for Council's support on is not supporting the referral, and I will still bring my amendment should the referral not proceed as proposed here, for us to get these many of these details before July, and then we can proceed with this strategy in place as we move into budget. I think that will produce the best outcomes for Calgarians, and that we can still get those details we need with the amendment that I will bring should this not pass. So I do intend to.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 7503.085, "end": 7512.405, "text": "Type in RTS amendment should this not proceed and I would ask for your support in going down that road. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7513.145, "end": 7515.385, "text": "All right, Councillor Penizopoulos on the referral, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 7515.845, "end": 7523.765, "text": "Thanks so much. I I didn't have the privilege of participating in the very excited CDC meeting, and uh, you know, somebody asked me last", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 7524.385, "end": 7579.445, "text": "last week and do you support this? My answer was I don't know. Because we need the information. We needed budget. We needed KPIs. We need to know how it fit in. Something that's came very clear through a motion that we're going to be discussing later, downtown with police we just did, free fare zone, et cetera, was community safety. And I think with the amendment that's being proposed, I was actually excited because that's exactly what we need is to go and understand. Then we can make a decision, doesn't make sense. Other priorities when we do our budget looking in July and going into September. I think it's important to get there and make that determination. Is it better to spend a dollar on a police, a fire, a sidewalk, or through a program here? And I think that's such an important. So if we bring that back into July going into a four year cycle, I think it's really important. So so I I support the information grab, but I think it's important to get that. Those KPIs, those deliverables, and that was exciting. With that, we can actually make that determination as a council. Is this the right plan? Is this the right going into a four year? Because it'll all be interconnected. This plus police plus.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 7580.445, "end": 7600.085, "text": "Uh this plus police plus uh everything else that that goes into our our safety is super important. So I won't be supporting this. I hope the amendment can come through and then we can have a good discussion come July and into budget about does this make sense? Uh is this the best use of capital, is the best use to get a safer community, which I think I know all Calgaryans and all council want as well. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7601.485, "end": 7603.305, "text": "All right, Councillor Kelly, please, on the referral.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 7604.685, "end": 7606.285, "text": "Thank you, worship. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 7606.545, "end": 7708.365, "text": "Apologies to everyone for uh at that point of order to be able to get us back on track here and and and back to uh uh Councillor Wynass's um uh motion uh referral motion here. Uh I this is really interesting because we know that there's two competing things here that are very similar, uh just going about it in slightly different ways. Uh so we kind of get to choose between the two, or I guess suppose neither, and and and uh and keep it going. Uh I really appreciate that both uh Councillor Weinass uh and Councillor Schmitz as well, I guess for that matter, too, are bringing forward the idea of uh KPIs, budget, etc. I think I brought this up at committee that uh while this is called a plan, uh it didn't it had very little in the way of plan in it. It it was a strategy. We need the budget items, we need the timelines, we need uh uh uh we need the actions. Those are the kinds of things that we would need to see to make it a plan. I was comfortable approving it as a strategy and effectively just going administration used the wrong word. Um, but I I I have to choose, I I want to choose between one of these two motions because I think that this is uh what we should be directing administration to do is coming back with those those details, the measures, the KPIs, and how it is that they're going to do it. Uh choosing between the two of them, I um, as Councillor Yaness said in her open, uh uh Councillor Schmidt's kind of keeps things moving forward, whereas uh Councillor Yines's uh throws it back to administration. I'm kind of leaning towards keeping it moving forward. So I'm gonna vote against this, despite the fact that I uh I support everything here in favor of the uh um uh the amendment that Councillor Schmidt is uh slated to bring.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7712.245, "end": 7718.245, "text": "All right. Anybody else? Seeing none, back to Councillor Wanis.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 7719.025, "end": 7756.225, "text": "Thanks. If you guys actually want the substance of what's in this, you're not going to get it with Nates. You can't keep a plan moving forward. All of our civic partners will be funded during budget. That has happened year over year. Where council, in our role of governors, has to actually get that framework correct. And it when you sit in this chair and you see a report that is not satisfactory, you have to send it back. Think about if council had actually been doing this for the feeder main when they saw reports coming that were not satisfactory. You can't just let it keep moving forward and saying, I'll make the decision next time. Oh, maybe it will be better next time. You have to have in our role.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7756.885, "end": 7785.525, "text": "The outline of deliverables we want the organization to report back to council. This is how you get it. Unfortunately, Nates is too general to get that. He will, and if admin can deliver on all of the key points that we have in this sooner, they can bring it back to us. So if you approve this now and admin can get it done for July, then they can bring it in July. But I think it is very important. If you want the meat and potatoes of this amendment, you need to support this one because you're not going to get it on the next one.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 7786.545, "end": 7787.105, "text": "Closed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7788.425, "end": 7789.325, "text": "Thank you. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7790.025, "end": 7792.825, "text": "before we call the evote again, uh, this is", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7793.845, "end": 7800.665, "text": "uh Yeah, well, make sure as well that uh we address each other formally, like Councillor Schmidt, uh uh like the level of decorum that's required.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7801.305, "end": 7802.945, "text": "Okay, before uh we go to", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7803.485, "end": 7812.045, "text": "Uh engaging the vote again. Uh the if this referral to pat will pass, there's no further amendments. It'll simply be sent back to administration and this item will end.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7812.405, "end": 7817.145, "text": "Uh just want to be uh crystal clear on that. So uh madam clerk, let's engage the vote.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7835.465, "end": 7839.825, "text": "Councillor Johnston, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7841.825, "end": 7842.085, "text": "No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7845.345, "end": 7848.485, "text": "The Councillor Jameson is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7848.765, "end": 7850.185, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7853.665, "end": 7865.065, "text": "On that, the uh motion has been defeated. Six to eight, Councillor Schmidt, Kelly, Dallywell, Pandasoplos, Atkinson, Clark, Yule, and myself are opposed. And I'm gonna go back to Councillor Schmidt uh for your amendment, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 7867.025, "end": 7868.045, "text": "I will just", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7868.865, "end": 7870.945, "text": "leave it up since I think I already", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 7871.285, "end": 7872.585, "text": "also introduced that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7873.465, "end": 7878.085, "text": "Okay, if let's give it a moment to put that up there, and if you could just remind us what the amendment is.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 7878.245, "end": 7885.705, "text": "Yes, so this does provide an opportunity for us to receive some of those details before", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7886.785, "end": 7913.645, "text": "we have our final strategic session for budget and allows the plan to move forward as As a plan that's in place, hopefully today, should the should it pass once this amendment is through, and then with the reporting in point number two, that allows us to have ongoing uh checks. And certainly I think", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 7914.065, "end": 7933.305, "text": "once it's in place, there's would be further opportunity to increase that reporting more than annually, but for now that was what was decided as something that could come back to committee and uh council uh for regular updates. So I'll leave it at that and hope for your support.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7933.825, "end": 7939.625, "text": "Okay, that was moved by Councillor Schmidt and seconded by Councillor Dalywall. Anyone wish to speak to this amendment?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7942.865, "end": 7948.585, "text": "Okay, seeing none I'm very happy to support this. I think this gets uh bit of the way in terms of what Councillor Wynus was", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7948.925, "end": 7951.305, "text": "intending with her referral. Uh the reason I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7951.625, "end": 7952.605, "text": "ultimately voted", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7953.005, "end": 7959.245, "text": "not for the referral, but I will be supporting this, is I uh it's just the urgency. We I think we need to get moving on this. Uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 7959.585, "end": 7963.305, "text": "we know that we need to build the airplane in in mid-flight. Uh we need to", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 7963.545, "end": 7984.545, "text": "Be doing a lot of things simultaneously with many different partners, and this is the belts and braces that really implements I think what the the previous council was seeking in terms of the key performance measures, uh working on implementation and better understanding uh what's going to be required to actually get this done. So happy to support this. Uh maybe back to you to close, Councillor Schmidt.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 7987.365, "end": 7988.925, "text": "I again I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7990.385, "end": 8024.585, "text": "support what Councillor Wyness was intending, and I think that what is contained within what she proposed is are important things that we should continue to do. And as we move through this, to have those happen would only be beneficial for the ultimate outcomes of this plan. But I I hope that once this if this passes, that we can also pass the strategy today as well. Because that will help us start to work on", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 8025.225, "end": 8031.865, "text": "what is happening in our city and to show Calgarians that we have a plan and that we're going to be doing something. So thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8033.785, "end": 8037.245, "text": "All right, uh that's been closed, Madam Clerk. Let's engage the e vote on the amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8061.005, "end": 8067.385, "text": "Councillor Shabot, your vote please. Thank you. Councillor Jameson is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8067.585, "end": 8068.985, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8071.105, "end": 8075.185, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 12 to 2 with councillors Johnston and Ward.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8075.745, "end": 8089.925, "text": "Opposed any further debate on this item as amended. Yeah, I'll uh just briefly jump in. I'll I'll restate some of my very briefly my committee debate.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8090.065, "end": 8094.745, "text": "This is not a perfect plan by any stretch of the imagination. I I think it does need a bit of tightening up.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8095.085, "end": 8100.705, "text": "It needs uh more solid engagement with the the Calgary Police Commission as well as uh some of the key performance measures. But", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8101.045, "end": 8104.465, "text": "based on the work that uh the city administration has done.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8104.765, "end": 8114.005, "text": "Uh Council's rigorous debate and support for this plan. Happy to support this at this time. And just a big shout out to the team that was involved in pulling this together. I've not seen", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8114.385, "end": 8120.045, "text": "a document as fulsome as this one in terms of just how broad it was in application.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8120.305, "end": 8123.325, "text": "It clearly took a lot of expertise and uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8123.525, "end": 8134.905, "text": "uh good faith willingness to engage with so many different community partners to get us to this point. Uh giant thank you as well to the community members who came and shared their lived experiences, other thoughts to get us to this point.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8135.185, "end": 8136.805, "text": "I think adopting this plan,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8136.965, "end": 8143.725, "text": "uh approving this plan here today is a is a reflection of our commitment to public safety as a council. So happy to support it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8144.485, "end": 8144.865, "text": "Uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8145.465, "end": 8147.445, "text": "and with that, I think back to Councillor Schmidt to close.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 8150.945, "end": 8151.365, "text": "Uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8151.765, "end": 8203.065, "text": "Yes, so just to reiterate that this is where we need to be going, and I think the most important work we can do from now until July and beyond that is that we as counselors keep that line of communication with our stakeholders, with the people on the ground doing this hard work every day, and with our residents and businesses who are experiencing these things. And if if we do that, we learn more, we learn what is needed, we learn what's missing, and we can help address this problem in a meaningful way. And that meaningful way might take longer than our council term because these are complex problems, but we need to start somewhere, and this is where we can start. So uh I would very much hope that we can see this pass and move forward today. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8204.065, "end": 8205.925, "text": "All right, uh let's engage the evote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8232.625, "end": 8233.985, "text": "Councillor Tyres, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 1 Kim Tyers", "start": 8235.465, "end": 8235.765, "text": "No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8236.425, "end": 8245.105, "text": "Council Shabot, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Jameson is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8245.425, "end": 8246.845, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8251.025, "end": 8264.325, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 10 to 4 with counselors Johnston, Ward, Tyres, and McLean opposed. Uh we are moving on now to item 7.9 Home is here, the City of Calgary's housing strategy update.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8274.125, "end": 8277.705, "text": "I don't think we need a presentation on this.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8278.145, "end": 8281.525, "text": "Colleagues, who pulled this item? Councillor Weiness, I'm gonna go over to you.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 8285.765, "end": 8289.985, "text": "The the scoping options without numbers attached to it,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8290.285, "end": 8304.465, "text": "uh a colored bar doesn't tell a story. And there may have been a verbal update at committee, but for the document, uh I'd like to see a number two added that uh the department adds funding uh and levels of service recording.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8304.465, "end": 8330.645, "text": "I I'm so sorry. I apologize for interrupting you, Councillor Winus. We're running into the same issue that we did previously. Do you mind if I just seek a mover and seconder? I didn't I didn't anticipate that you wanted to make an amendment. So uh can I please have a mover and seconder for the item? Uh it's been moved by Councillor Clark. Seconded by Councillor Atkinson. Okay, it's on the table. I'm going to you for your amendment, Councillor Wynus.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 8330.685, "end": 8341.325, "text": "Yeah, I just think that when administration is reporting to council, uh keeping it the lights on, gaining footing, and building momentum, they at least have some kind of envelope of funding for council to make a decision on.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8341.785, "end": 8351.105, "text": "Uh this is to be brought back by July 13th Community Development Committee. Uh and again, I think this council needs to be holding admins reports to account. And", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 8352.005, "end": 8361.225, "text": "when I get a colored bar that tells us as well as citizens nothing, uh it's important that we send the work back for better. So that's my opening", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8361.825, "end": 8369.425, "text": "All right, that's moved by Councillor Wynus. Uh seconded by Councillor Kelly. I'm gonna go through the queue, uh, Councillor Schmidt, to speak to the amendment.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 8370.925, "end": 8376.405, "text": "Oh sorry, I that was for the main motion. But I uh I'm happy to speak to the amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8376.825, "end": 8382.645, "text": "Support this more information the better, and it will allow us to uh", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 8383.825, "end": 8395.445, "text": "again, like similar to what we just discussed, it will allow us to have some details that we can place within the scope of the whole budget. So I think this is a positive.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8397.265, "end": 8400.465, "text": "Alrighty, uh on the amendment, Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 8401.645, "end": 8431.785, "text": "Uh yeah, very happy to second this. Uh uh I think administration heard me at committee uh talk about the color chart quite a bit. Uh so I'm very happy that Councillor Y S is bringing this forward here today. Uh as we just talked about in the uh in the previous motion, uh we need we need some more detail. Uh simply a color bar chart in this particular case was not enough. So hopeful that this will uh this will get us a little bit more detail than uh yellow, blue, or green.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8434.065, "end": 8436.685, "text": "All right, to you to close on the amendment, uh Councillor Weiness.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8436.765, "end": 8437.145, "text": "Closed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8437.725, "end": 8440.385, "text": "All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote on the amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8454.345, "end": 8457.325, "text": "Councillor Jameson is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8458.065, "end": 8459.625, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 12 Mike Jamieson", "start": 8462.985, "end": 8464.245, "text": "Um no, I am here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8464.245, "end": 8464.425, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8464.985, "end": 8465.045, "text": "Oh,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 12 Mike Jamieson", "start": 8465.245, "end": 8468.345, "text": "Uh point of order. I I was here at 5 36 p.m.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8468.685, "end": 8476.225, "text": "oh, uh let's recast the vote then. Okay, Madam Clerk. Um Councillor Jameson is with us. Uh did you want to speak, Madam Clerk?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8476.425, "end": 8479.485, "text": "No, no, no. Noted. It's just from prior. Thanks.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8479.485, "end": 8483.185, "text": "Yep. Apologize, colleagues. Uh we have to recast the the e-vote on this amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8504.705, "end": 8506.165, "text": "Councillor Shabot, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 8512.725, "end": 8512.965, "text": "No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8516.365, "end": 8518.065, "text": "Okay, please uh display the results.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8518.445, "end": 8518.765, "text": "Oh.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8519.105, "end": 8519.665, "text": "Madam Clerk?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8519.665, "end": 8528.645, "text": "Sorry, Mayor, that was the wrong vote that was that was cast. Um My apologies for that. We need to recast it on the amendment.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8529.005, "end": 8530.705, "text": "Okay, we're gonna recast the vote.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8532.325, "end": 8533.205, "text": "Just on the amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8544.765, "end": 8547.085, "text": "On the amendment, Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8550.365, "end": 8551.785, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8555.345, "end": 8561.985, "text": "And on the amendment, that motion is carried 15 to 0. We're back now on the main as amended.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8562.665, "end": 8563.825, "text": "Anyone else wish to speak?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8566.185, "end": 8569.805, "text": "Okay. Uh councillor Tyrers uh on division?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 1 Kim Tyers", "start": 8569.985, "end": 8571.485, "text": "Yeah, can we divide um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8572.265, "end": 8572.885, "text": "uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 1 Kim Tyers", "start": 8573.825, "end": 8580.985, "text": "yeah was it one and two because the scoping option uh about gaining footing versus the actual strategy itself?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8581.205, "end": 8581.965, "text": "I can call", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 1 Kim Tyers", "start": 8581.965, "end": 8582.805, "text": "Two separate", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8582.825, "end": 8583.945, "text": "we can call them separately.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 1 Kim Tyers", "start": 8583.945, "end": 8584.285, "text": "thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8585.225, "end": 8596.085, "text": "Anyone else on this? Seeing none, I'll go back to you, uh Councillor Schmidt, to close, please. Oh, Councillor, is Councillor Clark in the queue?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 8596.645, "end": 8597.665, "text": "No, I moved it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8598.225, "end": 8599.685, "text": "Oh, sorry, Councillor Clark.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 8599.685, "end": 8601.085, "text": "That's okay. And so I'll close.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 8601.485, "end": 8602.625, "text": "And with that, I'm closed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8602.825, "end": 8603.465, "text": "Excellent.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8604.605, "end": 8605.705, "text": "I apologize, colleagues.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8606.145, "end": 8609.745, "text": "Uh let's engage the e vote on uh bullet one, which is", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8610.005, "end": 8612.065, "text": "the uh the main committee recommendation.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8612.685, "end": 8615.225, "text": "The streamlining of actions, detailed implementation plan.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8626.405, "end": 8627.805, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8628.645, "end": 8630.125, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8633.465, "end": 8639.025, "text": "And on that, the motion is carried 9 to 6 with counselors Ward, Johnston, Jameson, Chabot, Wyness, and McLean.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8639.445, "end": 8640.125, "text": "Opposed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8640.585, "end": 8643.705, "text": "And we'll call the question now on uh bullet two", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8644.045, "end": 8645.105, "text": "and let's engage the e-book.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8647.185, "end": 8650.105, "text": "And that's the uh amendment that had been made previously.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8653.365, "end": 8657.165, "text": "That's to identify specific funding and service levels relating to scope options.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8670.485, "end": 8671.725, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8671.905, "end": 8673.365, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8676.525, "end": 8679.865, "text": "And on that, the motion is carried 13 to 2 with counselors Jameson", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8680.225, "end": 8681.445, "text": "and tires opposed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8683.145, "end": 8684.165, "text": "All right. Uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8684.505, "end": 8687.565, "text": "that resolves that item. We'll move now to, I believe, 7 Eleven.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8690.845, "end": 8691.885, "text": "Free fare zone review.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8695.045, "end": 8699.245, "text": "All right, so there's very robust debate. I'm gonna seek a mover and seconder for the main", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8699.625, "end": 8703.125, "text": "item. Councillor Shabot is moving it.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 8703.485, "end": 8707.485, "text": "Yeah, as the chair of a committee, I think it's only fair that I move the recommendations", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8708.025, "end": 8802.025, "text": "uh to um to eliminate the uh free fare zone. Um we had a very robust discussion. I don't can't recall exactly how how it turned out as far as the vote, but uh I don't think it was unanimous. Um there was a lot of uh discussions following the in camera session that may have brought some additional clarity for some members of council. Um obviously there's a lot of Advantages that are being proposed. Public safety is one, increased revenue for another. Hopefully a reduction in disorderly behavior on downtown trains and platforms. And of course, the one one which is a main concern for my residents is the main reason they're not getting on the train is because of the perceived safety. And that is one of the things that's planned on being addressed through this uh Elimination of the free fare zone. So hopefully we can reestablish some safety and sense of safety on the system to maybe encourage some of my riders and my ward to actually get back on the train and maybe even add more than five million dollars to the revenue that can then be reinvested into increasing safety even beyond that. Um I do believe there may be uh an interest in going in camera because there's an in-camera portion that that was discussed previously. I'm not sure if all members of council were privy to uh what was discussed in camera and If the opportunity does arise, I'd be happy to make that motion. So I'll leave it at that for now.", "segments_merged": 28 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8802.305, "end": 8804.805, "text": "Yeah, it's that's been moved by Deputy Mayor Chabot.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8805.405, "end": 8806.745, "text": "Uh seconded by", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8809.545, "end": 8816.685, "text": "Councillor McClane. I'm just gonna acknowledge you uh based on what you just told us. Deputy Mayor Shabot, would you like to make the motion to move into closed session?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 8817.885, "end": 8819.485, "text": "Yeah, happy to make that motion. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8819.845, "end": 8827.625, "text": "gotta say I think it'd be uh advantageous to to hear from uh our enforcement folks on on uh thoughts around uh", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 8827.965, "end": 8830.225, "text": "implementation. So happy to move to go in camera.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8831.045, "end": 8831.965, "text": "Okay, that's uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8832.205, "end": 8836.005, "text": "uh we'll give that a moment just to get ready from the clerk side.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8836.525, "end": 8839.185, "text": "Is there a seconder for that motion to move into closed session?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8845.925, "end": 8846.645, "text": "Is there a seconder?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8847.745, "end": 8850.485, "text": "Okay, that's been seconded by uh councillor McLean.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8852.225, "end": 8855.065, "text": "Uh I will briefly uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8855.565, "end": 8857.165, "text": "enter this. I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8857.825, "end": 8863.925, "text": "was not able to attend most of the committee meeting, but I did attend the uh the closed portion.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8864.645, "end": 8870.145, "text": "I very strongly believe that what we heard should be shared publicly. I I I would like to hear the same", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8870.385, "end": 8874.145, "text": "presentation publicly, and I think it would be of assistance to the public to hear that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8874.605, "end": 8879.825, "text": "I I didn't hear a good reason necessarily that it should be confidential what we heard.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8880.245, "end": 8884.965, "text": "So for those reasons, uh I will be voting no to moving into uh closed session.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8886.085, "end": 8893.105, "text": "Any uh further debate? Maybe over to you, Deputy Mayor, to close on the motion to go into closed session.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 8893.105, "end": 8895.305, "text": "Yeah, no, I think that's a valid statement um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8895.485, "end": 8905.525, "text": "in so far as whether or not um the discussions in camera should be made. public or not, but I think that's a discussion we can only have in camera to determine whether or not we can", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 8905.765, "end": 8908.185, "text": "make we can go public with those debates. So", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8908.505, "end": 8914.625, "text": "I would encourage everyone to support going in camera so we can then have a debate as to whether or not this can all be made public.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 8916.025, "end": 8916.385, "text": "Closed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8917.265, "end": 8917.585, "text": "And", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8918.485, "end": 8921.185, "text": "yep, sounds good. So we will uh engage the vote", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8922.425, "end": 8922.725, "text": "on that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8935.825, "end": 8937.145, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8937.525, "end": 8939.365, "text": "Thank you. Please uh display the results.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8945.185, "end": 8953.125, "text": "And on that, the uh motion is carried 13 to 2 with Councillor Dallywell and myself opposed. We'll now move to the boardroom.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 8953.605, "end": 8958.665, "text": "Uh for the folks watching, it's unlikely to have a decision prior to us uh on our dinner break.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8969.225, "end": 8972.225, "text": "Welcome back to Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the roll.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 8972.745, "end": 8975.145, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor McLean,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8975.905, "end": 8989.785, "text": "Councillor Pantazopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Shabot, Councillor Clark, Councillor Dollywall.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 12 Mike Jamieson", "start": 8990.705, "end": 8990.985, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8991.585, "end": 8995.085, "text": "Councillor Jamison. Councillor Johnston.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 8995.145, "end": 8995.365, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8995.525, "end": 8996.385, "text": "Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 8996.385, "end": 8996.745, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8996.745, "end": 8997.945, "text": "And Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 8998.705, "end": 8999.245, "text": "I am here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8999.245, "end": 8999.545, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9000.525, "end": 9005.805, "text": "May I please have a motion to rise and report? Maybe Councillor Chabot has moved that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9006.805, "end": 9008.405, "text": "Seconded by", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9009.445, "end": 9010.365, "text": "Councillor Yule.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9010.965, "end": 9016.065, "text": "All in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that motion is carried.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9017.525, "end": 9020.545, "text": "Leave we need a motion to keep confidential the discussions.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9028.745, "end": 9030.725, "text": "Just a moment while we're preparing that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9046.145, "end": 9048.565, "text": "Okay, so the motion is up on the screen.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9049.045, "end": 9052.485, "text": "It's to keep the closed meetings discussions confidential", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9052.725, "end": 9054.225, "text": "pursuant", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9054.905, "end": 9058.065, "text": "to section 23 disclosure harmful to law enforcement.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9058.685, "end": 9068.345, "text": "Uh any colleagues like to move that? Move by Councillor Chabot, seconded by Councillor Panasopoulos. I'll briefly debate. I was not persuaded that", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9068.725, "end": 9074.005, "text": "what we heard in closed session could not be shared publicly, and I feel like it's very critical information that", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9074.605, "end": 9075.585, "text": "uh should be shared.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9077.345, "end": 9080.025, "text": "Uh all right, uh any further discussion on that?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9081.125, "end": 9086.125, "text": "Okay, Councillor Shabot's closed. Uh let's call the uh engage the U vote, please, on this.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 9110.485, "end": 9111.865, "text": "Councillor Clark, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 9112.785, "end": 9113.165, "text": "No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 9113.585, "end": 9130.865, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Tyres, your vote, please. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9131.165, "end": 9132.665, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9135.465, "end": 9141.085, "text": "All right. Uh that motion has been defeated. Uh 4 to 11. Only Councillors Dallywell, Jameson, Tyres,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9141.605, "end": 9143.205, "text": "and Chabot were in favor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9143.665, "end": 9144.605, "text": "Uh colleagues, uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9144.785, "end": 9148.625, "text": "despite the fact that uh the confidentiality was not", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9149.185, "end": 9153.565, "text": "instated for the discussion, I'd ask that you would use our discretion in terms of uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9154.125, "end": 9158.165, "text": "not otherwise jeopardizing uh law enforcement. Um", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9158.525, "end": 9159.145, "text": "activities.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9160.625, "end": 9172.585, "text": "So again, it's not confidential what we discussed there, but again, I think some of the specifics that we heard, we don't need to go into detail that might otherwise betray the ability for our law enforcement partners to be able to do their work.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9173.665, "end": 9177.985, "text": "So uh going through the speaking queue, I believe", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9179.545, "end": 9186.625, "text": "that the Councillor Shabot had placed the motion. It was seconded. We're going through the speaker's queue. Uh he immediately", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9186.945, "end": 9191.105, "text": "brought us into the closed session. So now I'm gonna go into uh to Councillor Clark, I believe.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9191.545, "end": 9191.785, "text": "You're up.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 9193.845, "end": 9195.925, "text": "Thank you, Chair. It sounds like there might be some amendments.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 9195.925, "end": 9197.965, "text": "I had a RTS amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9198.845, "end": 9200.965, "text": "Oh, if you were up, Councillor Ewell, I apologize.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 9201.565, "end": 9202.825, "text": "Yeah. So I uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 9203.205, "end": 9211.125, "text": "tried this uh amendment uh at committee. Uh I'm just gonna try it again now. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 9211.885, "end": 9212.545, "text": "so", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 9213.305, "end": 9224.305, "text": "what we heard at committee was uh panel after panel after panel of people who uh didn't I guess do I need a second or", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9225.445, "end": 9225.905, "text": "Second.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 9226.125, "end": 9227.765, "text": "it's not on the screen yet, so", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9227.765, "end": 9229.245, "text": "Make your pitch to us and then", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 9229.245, "end": 9229.705, "text": "I think it's a good question.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9229.705, "end": 9230.965, "text": "we'll seek a seconder. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 9231.105, "end": 9232.185, "text": "Okay, um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 9233.365, "end": 9263.065, "text": "so yeah, we had uh we had panel after panel who uh did not want us to get rid of the free fare zone. Um what we had before us was uh a recommendation from transit, uh, and I think uh like an operational view uh is what we got in that report. And when when Pantasopoulos and I, uh Councillor Pantasopoulos and I uh started on this journey, um I it was about getting data, and I think um what we got.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 9263.565, "end": 9281.065, "text": "And we also wanted recommendations, and we got one recommendation to get rid of the free fare zone. And I was hoping for a little bit more fulsome options. We've had a lot of different reports that give us levels of service. I think we should have had uh a few different options to be choosing from. So what I'm I'm", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 9281.425, "end": 9287.525, "text": "proposing in this amendment is uh to direct um uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 9289.665, "end": 9291.225, "text": "this isn't it, no.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 9293.025, "end": 9307.165, "text": "Um so I'm uh defer I would like to defer the decision of the free fare zone uh to be included in the updated fare strategy, which is planned to come back to infrastructure and planning committee by the end of Q1 2027.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 9308.025, "end": 9345.005, "text": "Direct administration to explore the feasible feasibility of transferring the free fare zone program from Calgary Transit to downtown strategy team for ongoing operations and budgeting with a focus on improving downtown vibrancy and public safety. I think we we heard from many people that um didn't get to engage, uh specifically the arts uh a lot of arts groups did not get uh fulson engagement. So I would like a little bit more engagement uh on this uh and would like uh the support of council on this. Um I just think", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 9345.585, "end": 9346.385, "text": "we", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 9347.005, "end": 9373.785, "text": "With the overwhelming majority of respondents, both in my ward and that came to committee, we need to rethink this. And I think we need uh more options on the table to make this like there's there's different things that we can be doing. I know there's uh we have um different innovations we could be looking at, and this is just a yes or no question, and I think we need more options on the table. And I've running out of time here, so", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 9374.625, "end": 9375.925, "text": "hope you can support. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9376.805, "end": 9389.225, "text": "All right. Is there a seconder, please? Okay. So that's been seconded by Councillor Clark. Just for this amendment, uh, Councillor Clark, did you want to weigh in?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 9390.925, "end": 9398.385, "text": "Pardon me. No. So I'm glad to wait or", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 9398.705, "end": 9399.525, "text": "re in", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 9399.745, "end": 9400.905, "text": "put myself back in later.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9401.505, "end": 9406.265, "text": "Okay. Uh Councillor Syers, I believe you had a different amendment, right? Or did you want to weigh in on this one?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 1 Kim Tyers", "start": 9407.145, "end": 9408.965, "text": "No, it's a different amendment. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9409.505, "end": 9411.345, "text": "Uh Councillor McLean, on this amendment?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9412.105, "end": 9414.785, "text": "Yeah, I wanna debate this amendment and uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9415.585, "end": 9416.925, "text": "Suggest that we vote no.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9417.465, "end": 9424.065, "text": "It seems like almost everything that comes before us now, we have an amendment to kick it down the road or to amend it or to do", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9424.725, "end": 9426.885, "text": "we just can't keep doing this every single time.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9427.365, "end": 9433.725, "text": "Uh and to the me the why this is important, because there's some urgency here. Administration has recommended this. It's not about the money, folks.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9434.145, "end": 9437.485, "text": "It's about the safety. We all know about the safety. I took the time over dinner", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9437.905, "end": 9443.325, "text": "just to Google, you know, uh assaults, deaths, sexual assaults on these on the train, downtown platforms.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9443.925, "end": 9446.145, "text": "It's a real, real concern. It happens all the time.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9446.645, "end": 9451.005, "text": "It happens all the time. I've talked to enough peace officers. I've seen pictures. I've seen videos.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9451.625, "end": 9454.185, "text": "We've seen stabbings. I don't want to get to graphic.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9455.265, "end": 9456.065, "text": "But if this", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9456.805, "end": 9458.945, "text": "helps enforcement prevent one", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9459.485, "end": 9461.365, "text": "murder, one sexual assault,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9461.605, "end": 9464.085, "text": "one crime, and we're not just talking drugs.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9464.605, "end": 9465.925, "text": "We're worried about people's", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9466.225, "end": 9466.905, "text": "rights.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9467.325, "end": 9468.545, "text": "They're not worried about ours.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9468.865, "end": 9474.345, "text": "You know, these the people that are sometimes, they're not in their right mind a lot of times, maybe whether it's drugs, alcohol, or mental.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9474.985, "end": 9475.445, "text": "Uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9476.405, "end": 9477.005, "text": "mental", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9477.885, "end": 9487.085, "text": "I I just don't support it, but let's go right to the amendment, to the main motion. I say we vote and we uh take uh vote for administration's recommendations that", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9487.765, "end": 9491.685, "text": "we make our city safer. And this again, if it prevents one death", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9492.665, "end": 9495.905, "text": "by not but doing this now instead of pushing this down the road and keep kicking the can,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9496.445, "end": 9499.005, "text": "then I'm not saying it's on anybody's heads, I'm not threatening anybody, but", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9499.285, "end": 9501.465, "text": "people are asking for safety. We do not govern by", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9501.745, "end": 9504.085, "text": "internet polls, we do govern by email.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9504.585, "end": 9507.585, "text": "Campaigns. This is something that I know people want safety.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9507.725, "end": 9510.525, "text": "I want safety. Downtown and the trains are not safe.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 9511.625, "end": 9512.505, "text": "Don't support this.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9512.565, "end": 9517.245, "text": "Thank you, Councillor McLean. Madam Clark, I'm gonna go to you just on process. I believe net number four", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9517.905, "end": 9519.125, "text": "shouldn't be up there, right?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 9519.405, "end": 9540.165, "text": "That's right, Mayor Farkas. We don't want council to um vote twice on the same attachment. The motion coming out of close included both that the closed meeting discussions and attachment four remain confidential. That motion was defeated. Therefore, attachment four has already been um released with council's previous decision. Um councillor Ewell, if you would", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 9540.505, "end": 9541.445, "text": "Yeah, we can strike that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9544.785, "end": 9550.745, "text": "And just uh to be explicit, uh administration has no objection to the release of that attachment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 9550.785, "end": 9557.665, "text": "correct Deputy City Clerk Fraser went up and spoke with administration once the motion was defeated and we've heard from them that there is no concerns.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9558.185, "end": 9561.165, "text": "Okay, thank you. Uh over to Councillor Penisopoulos, please, on the amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 9561.425, "end": 9565.045, "text": "Thank you so much. I agree wholeheartedly with Councillor McLean that", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9565.705, "end": 9566.925, "text": "for transit alone,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 9567.325, "end": 9570.185, "text": "the best option is removal of the free fare zone.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9570.925, "end": 9573.325, "text": "But through the debate and the discussion, even in our", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 9573.945, "end": 9581.325, "text": "Point. Social disorder is likely to move to areas just outside of stations, meaning overall downtown safety continues to require an integrated approach.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9581.945, "end": 9583.385, "text": "And I think when we went through that,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 9583.645, "end": 9592.265, "text": "that's what's missing right now is that integrated approach. And what Councillor Yule is providing is not kicking the can down. It's going in and taking that unilateral approach.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9593.105, "end": 9701.525, "text": "With other parties, talking to business owners, talking to the impacted residents, talking to everybody to make sure we have a plan. I'm comforted that we get to come back with our full fair review. So we get down to the economics. I'm comforted that we have a safety review that we can go and engage. We can show that there's 10 million Calgarians that are not using transit. The majority of risk risk, excuse me, not using the C train because they do not feel safe on public transit. Those are our numbers. We can actually address that. But we need the integrated approach. And I agree that was what's missing. When I came out, it absolutely is safety. We all know that. We want it safer, but we have to have that integrated approach. For that reason, I think this makes sense. We still get a chance to go look at it. We all understand why we need to have a fair across the whole network from a safety perspective, from an economic perspective, et cetera. But what's lacking is the integrated. If we get rid of it, we heard that from everybody. Look at the email. It's not just the emails, look at the business owners. When you talk to say you didn't consult with us, the integrated approach. Can we actually have a better strategy? And I think I like that. That's where it's not just another report to report. I think what what Councillor Yule has is consistent. I remember, Councillor Ewell, when you said this is where you and I sort of go apart. And I think we're coming back together again, realizing, hey, this is actually the right approach. This is something where we come back in. We got the data, it was 8-7 to kill it with no data. And now we're getting more data. Let's make sure we don't make that same mistake twice. We tried it at budget, we came back, we've got the data, we're gonna talk to our partners, and the integrated approach, that's what administration we have to do. We have to make downtown safer. We just approved a scoping exercise for a downtown police station. Fantastic. I just saw a press release come from the city of Calgary, the safety initiative. That's going out there. Messaging to Calgarians think we're gonna make safe downtown safety, across network safety is gonna happen. So with that, let's support this, let's go. We have a chance to go look at this again. We public safety is gonna be number one downtown vibrancy, everything we want. It's our biggest tax base, it's where Calgarians want to live, work, and play. So I think this is a well uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 9702.125, "end": 9708.045, "text": "Scoped and hopefully we can pass it and uh get down to the business of making transit and downtown Calgary safer. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9709.565, "end": 9711.245, "text": "Councillor Wynis, please, on the amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 9711.745, "end": 9714.685, "text": "Thanks. Yeah, I I don't support this. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 9715.165, "end": 9725.185, "text": "The last council went through this process with admin where they're trying to streamline the departments to keep everything together. Number two is a compl uh a direction we don't want to go.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 9725.365, "end": 9752.065, "text": "You don't want to take a transit department and then start piecing them out into the downtown strategy team. That that's not smart governance at all. Um and it will lead to a breakdown of service level because now you have someone who's been focusing on uh downtown office conversions and and other pieces of the puzzle and saying, hey, by the way, do transit. Okay, so then the for a writer's experience, you're gonna hop on at Crowfoot, and then now I'm in the downtown with a different.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 9753.245, "end": 9770.525, "text": "Understanding of what my ridership experience should be like. That is I I can't support this because we're just we're just throwing everything together and not thinking about transit's primary goal for Calgarians is to move Calgarians effectively and safely around a large footprint city.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 9771.265, "end": 9774.505, "text": "Don't move them into the downtown strategy, and we're still", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 9774.745, "end": 9775.525, "text": "like again.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 9776.945, "end": 9783.285, "text": "This this isn't good. I'm not gonna sit here and debate it all night because we're still on consent agenda. But this is no, no, no, thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9783.925, "end": 9785.045, "text": "Councillor Kelly, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 9787.125, "end": 9860.725, "text": "Thank you, Worship. To Councillor Wyness's point there, I believe that point number two here is about exploring the feasibility of transferring it rather than actually transferring it. I think we know where I stand in terms of this overall downtown free fare zone thing. I will admit, number one, like I voted in favor of bringing the report forward, and I thank administration for bringing the report forward. Number one is the right place to do this. I I'm not a fan of this g killing a 45 year old thing. Uneffectively a whim. It should be done as part of a larger strategy, a larger plan. This is where we can talk about zones or tap on, tap off, how many stops can you go? Like that to me is a larger plan because right now we have two zones, free and full price. I appreciate uh Council Yule bringing this forward here to uh uh to uh to include it as part of that um uh that larger updated fare strategy that we've been hearing that transit is bringing forward. I think that's the appropriate place for us to consider the results of this uh of this work in it. So I'm happy to support this because I think it makes it better.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9861.705, "end": 9862.765, "text": "Councillor Johnston, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 9864.225, "end": 9866.125, "text": "Sorry, I have a question for admin.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 9866.345, "end": 9872.805, "text": "Um are we able to ask the police officers who are in camera with us? Am I able to ask", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 9872.805, "end": 9876.205, "text": "They're here to support administration's presentation, so absolutely.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 9877.505, "end": 9879.505, "text": "I can't remember their names, I apologize.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 9880.325, "end": 9881.245, "text": "Ask your question.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 9881.845, "end": 9892.225, "text": "Okay. Um was this a whim, the decision to um Provide us with this report based on safety? Was this a whim?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 9893.145, "end": 9893.945, "text": "No, Councillor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 9894.585, "end": 9897.565, "text": "Did you guys do any due diligence before bringing this to us?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 9898.285, "end": 9899.085, "text": "Absolutely.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 9899.485, "end": 9911.185, "text": "Would you be able to share with us some of the due diligence that you brought with us to um assert that removing the free fare zone would help with enforcement?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 9911.985, "end": 9941.025, "text": "So, sir, that removing the free fare zone to help with enforcement just gives us another tool in our tool belt. So it allows us the ability to engage with individuals. It's not the only tool in our tool belt. We have a number of other tools in our tool belt that we use. It's just not something that we're able to do within the free fare zone, and this helps us to ensure that we can ask people and we can be lawfully placed to do so. And then where it provides us with an efficiency piece as well.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 9941.065, "end": 9977.025, "text": "Right. So this is not a silver bullet. It's not gonna end specific or single attacks or anything, but it does help as a tool and a tool belt, right? It it could be the right tool for the right job. Um So what this motion is asking is what else could you bring to us with um better data? What what data could you bring to us that would help us make this decision? Or is the data that you have brought to us all we really can get from what you guys brought to us?", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 9977.965, "end": 9996.065, "text": "Well I can speak to within the downtown. Thirty-seven percent of our incidents that are violent occur within the downtown area as opposed to any other area within the city. And this will have help us with the ability, like I said, um to be lawfully placed and engaged with individuals.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 9996.485, "end": 10015.685, "text": "Right. I don't think I need to hear any more and I hope council really doesn't have to hear any more than that. So um I again this does feel like kicking the can down the road. Um the data's there. I don't know what else they're gonna give us for this. Um it's a tough decision for everybody, but if it helps with safety, then we have to do it. So thank you.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10016.545, "end": 10035.685, "text": "Okay, Councillor Shabot, please. That's according to design. Just kidding. No.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 10037.185, "end": 10038.645, "text": "There we go. No it's working. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10038.645, "end": 10039.425, "text": "Please go ahead, Deputy Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10040.205, "end": 10053.005, "text": "Yeah so same a question for admin. Um what does other stations like Chinook or or State Franklin, which I know has been a bad one what do the numbers look like from those compared to the downtown?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 10053.865, "end": 10072.405, "text": "Thank you, Councillor. Our um one of our highest stations is Marlborough for social disorder. But as I stated to Councillor Johnson before, in terms of incidents where we have assaults and sexual assaults and high priority calls, 37% of them occur downtown.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10072.805, "end": 10079.325, "text": "And do you think that maybe some of the social disorder that's happening in some of the other station stems from the downtown?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 10081.265, "end": 10082.065, "text": "It could.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10085.285, "end": 10092.525, "text": "Yeah. Anyway, so I think I've heard enough other than this is just another tool that you think will be beneficial", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 10093.325, "end": 10098.645, "text": "It is another tool that we could put in our tool belt that will help us to be lawfully placed and engage with people.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10098.825, "end": 10100.325, "text": "and improve safety on the system", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 10101.205, "end": 10110.285, "text": "I can't tie it to safety in terms of I can't say because I don't have a baseline, but I think it will assist us in being able to engage with people.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10110.605, "end": 10114.105, "text": "and reducing social disorder activity in the downtown core.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 10114.765, "end": 10117.485, "text": "It will give us the ability to deal with it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10117.865, "end": 10185.885, "text": "Okay, thanks. Um so um I'm going to debate against this recommendation and I'm going to ask you to call two separately specifically because that one is absolutely a non-starter. If you ask any of the businesses downtown and ask them if they want to have more engagement, they want to be more involved in providing safety and security. You know what they're going to say? No, we have to actually pay for security to protect our own businesses downtown. We don't want to. And so the idea that somehow they want to be more involved, no, they want us to take charge. They want us to eliminate the social disorder. This is what the the f elimination of the free fare zone is is intending on helping to address. Um listen, if you want to kill this, this idea, then don't muck around and do these amendments and pretend like somehow you're you're you're trying to make it better. Just kill it. Don't don't muck around with it. So please don't vote against this and please call two separately in particular, because that one is the worst about all of this. Even one I could live with, but two, please.", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10191.745, "end": 10194.105, "text": "All right. Anybody else on the amendment?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 10198.025, "end": 10200.745, "text": "Okay. I will go to Councillor Yule to", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10200.745, "end": 10201.505, "text": "Close, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 10202.245, "end": 10213.905, "text": "Yeah, I'll just touch on some points, uh, Councillor McLean, urgency um to get rid of this. I mean, this this uh free fare zone's been around since 1982. Um I think we can.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 10214.585, "end": 10319.005, "text": "Do more due diligence is all I'm saying is we we've we've got we've got we've got time to do that. Um Councillor wynis and and um just uh talking about number two and the um the looking at the feasible feasibility of of having the downtown strategy look at it. I think when we were at committee, it was countless people that that talked about the free fare zone not being a part of of transit operations. Uh and so I want to look at that a little bit closer, and I would like to make sure that we are taking that engagement. Um, because that there's some innovations we could be looking at outside of, yes, I I'm not a huge fan of the uh the free fare zone, but because it's like the downtown core has grown so so much, like we should be looking at at much larger innovations, kind of like how we've done with um with uh partners like Byrd, where we have uh Byrd giving uh scooters 10 minutes free to our transit um station. So if we could be having the the downtown strategy looking at this a little bit closer, a downtown strategy for mobility around our downtown core, that is what I'm getting for getting at with number two. Uh and so and with Council Chabot, the safety focus, I do think the report was very focused on on safety and and and not enough on the on the full robust robust system of the downtown free fare zone and and how we should be uh innovating uh in the future. So I I hope you can support this. Uh, I think I don't see this as kicking the can down the road. I I see this as getting more information ahead of making a big decision uh about removing the free fare zone. So please support this. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10320.185, "end": 10350.705, "text": "All right. Uh if if I can ask you actually, uh, Deputy Mirchabot, the intent is to call one and two as a group and then three uh separately? Or did you want one, two, and three called uh separately? Okay, we're gonna call them all separately, uh colleagues. So get this isn't real yet, but we're we have a suite of amendments here to actually, Madam Clerk, I'll just ask if Sir, if some of these uh amendments are to fail, it just goes in blank, right?", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 10351.945, "end": 10361.105, "text": "That's right. So we will prepare them to be voted on individually. So if recommendation one were to fail, that won't get inserted into the main motion.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10361.405, "end": 10368.525, "text": "So this amendment uh firstly it starts by just deleting what was there in entirety, and we're now debating what to add to a blank", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 10368.525, "end": 10368.745, "text": "That's right.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10368.745, "end": 10394.165, "text": "sheet of paper, essentially. So uh we'll be calling each of these uh separately. So uh we'll give the clerks just a moment to uh prepare on that. And it's up on the screen there. So uh firstly uh on bullet one, which is to add A defer the decision on the free fare zone to be included in the updated fare strategy plan to come back Q1 2027. Let's engage the evote.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 10429.125, "end": 10430.625, "text": "Councillor Ewell, your vote please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 10430.625, "end": 10431.005, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 10431.125, "end": 10433.665, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Jameson, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 12 Mike Jamieson", "start": 10434.465, "end": 10434.805, "text": "No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 10435.325, "end": 10438.225, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Clark, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 10438.325, "end": 10438.585, "text": "No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 10440.225, "end": 10441.485, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10442.165, "end": 10442.505, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 10444.425, "end": 10445.765, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10446.545, "end": 10477.185, "text": "Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried eight to seven with counselors Johnston, Ward, Clark, Jamison, Chabot, Wyness, and McLean opposed. And now let's go to bullet two. And this is to direct administration explore the feasibility of transferring the free fare zone program from Cagger Transit to the downtown strategy team. Uh let's engage the e-vote, please.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 10497.525, "end": 10503.585, "text": "Councillor Johnston, your vote, please. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10504.385, "end": 10504.945, "text": "Uh yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 10506.725, "end": 10507.525, "text": "All the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10507.845, "end": 10542.445, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried eight to seven with counselors ward, Johnston, Jameson, Tyre, Shabot, Wyness, and McLean opposed. And now we will go to the third and final bullet on the engagement. And this is to direct administration undertake further engagement with stakeholders in the downtown, including businesses, organizations, and arts organizations. All right, madam clerk, let's engage the vote.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 10555.085, "end": 10556.305, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10556.945, "end": 10557.545, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 10557.985, "end": 10559.985, "text": "Thank you. Mayor, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10560.765, "end": 10593.305, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 9 to 6 with counselors Ward, Johnston, Jameson, Chabot, Wyness, and McLean opposed. All right. So we have a substantially amended and changed main motion now that is on the floor. So council, this is what is uh before us and open to further discussion or debate. Uh I want to go back to the queue on the main. Uh Council Clark, did you want to weigh in on this?", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 10593.385, "end": 10602.225, "text": "Yes, please. Thank you very much. Um, I'd like to speak with administration. Am I able to ask questions still? Yeah, okay, wonderful. So um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 10603.465, "end": 10650.005, "text": "Th under the premise of safety, I mean we're looking to like deliver some results and I and I I'm ex I'm glad to explore the it the notion but as like I piece together the story of of the pro the approach of City of Calgary towards this service, I've like, you know, um Uh if GM Thompson, if we could speak a little bit about Green Line and its strategy to deliver like the transit stations of Green Line. And um I've I'm kind of alluding to a conversation we've already had, but I hope that we could bring this into the public sphere because I came to you, we had a discussion about whether or not we're moving to a closed system. Are we like fundamentally if we're to deliver a safer system? I mean, closed is the way to go. And it's been a long standing conversation. Can you speak a little bit about what we can expect out of the green line stations?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10650.265, "end": 10669.765, "text": "Yeah, so conversation we had and we publicly shared is the Green Line is designed as an open system with low four vehicles, really integrated into the sidewalks as we think about the original concepts for those stations. They were that you could easily integrate them into the community and that it would be more open and porous from a station design perspective.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 10669.945, "end": 10708.105, "text": "Yeah, perfect. So With that in mind, I find it very difficult to understand how we're going to deliver a safer system by closing a segment of it. Or, and I wonder if perhaps transit, if I could invite some individuals, perhaps from the transit officers, uh, CPS, whomever you think would be of value, to discuss how we how do we move forward? Because I think fundamentally the question in front of us is how do we deliver a safer system that is open? Uh, because we're investing five billion additional dollars to expand an open system while simultaneously accepting a report that we should to close a portion of it. Pardon me?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10709.425, "end": 10713.445, "text": "Okay. Uh Councillor or Deputy Mayor Chabot, I'll ask you to please uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 10713.845, "end": 10726.105, "text": "So so just as a point of clarification, making the free fare zone a paid zone doesn't close it. It only creates the um fare for that zone. And", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 10727.045, "end": 10734.345, "text": "Perhaps not closing it with a pay gate, but it closes it to the general public. It closes it to those who have paid and those who have not, right? Versus.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 10734.345, "end": 10741.725, "text": "so the green line will also be closed in that fashion. It won't be free, right? It'll be equally closed.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 10741.725, "end": 10770.685, "text": "Yeah. But we're not delivering. So I just wonder how we're meant to achieve a safer system by doing so when the portions of our system you just said that Franklin, Marlborough, and uh and Chinook are all our closed, closed open systems are all sort of worst examples of the most unsafe. So I'm just trying to piece this together, like really to understand the argument in front of us.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 10770.925, "end": 10800.685, "text": "Yeah, through the through Mayor Farkas, uh Councillor Clark, we're we're we know that our transit peace officers and our our transit public safety team have already impl are in the process of finalizing the implementation of the prior transit public safety strategy, and I know that through the budget process they're gonna be asking for more investment in public safety. So I'll let my colleagues talk about a little bit more about what we're gonna be seeing in the budget.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 10801.985, "end": 10802.405, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 10803.665, "end": 10836.005, "text": "Thank you, Councillor. I think this is a visibility in an officer presence piece. Right now we have over 6,000 bus stops and 46 C train platforms, and we only have 25 to 30 officers on the system. So the ask will be to increase officers so that they can deal with social disorder, ferry evasion, operator safety, community engagement, community outreach, so that they can touch the Green Line, an additional office down in the south, as well as the airport extender.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 10836.285, "end": 10856.865, "text": "Thank you for that. And so I'll just acknowledge that it during budget adjustments, myself and John Pantozopoulos uh were able to bring forward a notice, uh, an amendment to uh secure nine million additional dollars towards transit safety. So can you speak to the impl like the outcomes that we've seen? What's that? Nothing? Okay.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10857.445, "end": 10865.485, "text": "Colleagues, I I'm just gonna ask uh please allow us all the ability to speak without interruption. I know we're a bit late uh in the evening here, but", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 10865.485, "end": 10866.145, "text": "You need a snack?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10866.145, "end": 10873.325, "text": "let let's let's tight them up and stay focused. Sorry, that's not directed to you, Councillor Clark. Uh let's maybe get an answer to that question.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 10873.465, "end": 10873.965, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 10874.745, "end": 10878.865, "text": "Sorry, Councillor, are you asking about the results or are you asking what we're on with it?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 10879.385, "end": 10910.685, "text": "Because I I would say like fundamentally all of us on council want to see this safer system achieved. I think that's something we all have in common. It's the question of how to deliver. And so myself, John Pantozopoulos, number of uh a majority of council have have agreed to uh increase your budget by nine million dollars. Can you speak to the uh benefit or value that that's added and how that might uh lend itself to what we're trying to achieve here today? Because you've just said that with more money and more officers, we can deliver a better outcome.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 10911.245, "end": 10947.525, "text": "Yes, thank you, Councillor. So we don't have the results that I can speak to quite yet, but we will be coming back to council in Q3 of this year with the results. But I can tell you that we have 10 stations that we've identified where we have static officer presence on there from four o'clock until eight o'clock. And so we have that presence that's out there, and then we are under trying to understand the difference between the presence of those officers on those stations with six stations that we don't have officers that are static on there. So I'll be able to report back on that at a later date.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 10948.645, "end": 10954.445, "text": "Thank you so much for your time. I'll just say I suppose um am I able to bl like sort of bleed into debate a bit? Or do I go for it?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 10954.445, "end": 10955.285, "text": "This is your chance.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 10955.285, "end": 10957.705, "text": "I think the um thank you so much for your time.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 10957.705, "end": 10958.165, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 10958.265, "end": 11014.845, "text": "I think that um Uh essentially, we've sort of led this conversation on the wrong foot. I think that there's more to this conversation, and as uh Councillor Ewell has highlighted, we've sort of landed in this yes or no conversation about something that has land like become a very fundamental piece of our transit system. Uh it's sort of baked into a culture, and so I'm disappointed that we are not uh that we have deferred it. That wouldn't have been my first choice. I would have liked to see us uh you know vote to keep it or vote vote to remove it. Um but that's not where we are, and so I think uh I'm interested to see truly how we come to a place where we can, you know, as we discuss things like tap on, tap off, and and um and and delivering some of the outcomes that again, I think we all have in common about what we'd like to see a more efficient, uh better use, better respected, and safer system overall. So um I think that's about it for me. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 11017.505, "end": 11022.745, "text": "All right. Uh Councillor Tyres, I believe you have an amendment.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 1 Kim Tyers", "start": 11023.005, "end": 11031.605, "text": "Yes, I guess um my amendment would be um now that this is the main motion, would uh be number four.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_43", "start": 11032.005, "end": 11032.025, "text": "you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 11032.025, "end": 11032.205, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 11032.645, "end": 11097.665, "text": "Um so During this whole time that we've been discussing this and asking for feedback from our residents and hearing from Calgarians, they want to see the free free fare zone remain in place. And at committee this month, members heard from multiple business organizations who wanted to see the zone maintained. And I appreciate their advocacy and encourage sponsors to come to the table and help maintain the zone, which helps our downtown economy. A sponsor of the free fare zone could offset some of the cost of the zone. And with this amendment, I'm seeking feedback also from administration just to put on the record on the status of our sponsor search currently. Because as far as I know, we have paused a search for a new sponsor after our previous one backed out. So I guess. There is the reason why we have the amendment here and just clarification from administration to see what the status is of looking for a new sponsor.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11102.985, "end": 11149.545, "text": "Through the chair, Councillor Tyres. So when we um we we notified everyone that the sponsorship with TD was canceled in late November, um there was uh There was some conversation at budget about how they had we wanted to remove the free fare zone and then there was a NOM quickly after that in January. So because of that quick process, we did pause any further seeking of sponsorship opportunities for the free fare zone. We could certainly open up an expression of interest like we do through our vendor to see if there's anyone out there that is interested in sponsoring the zone. Yep.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 11149.545, "end": 11158.785, "text": "Okay, so to confirm, you do need direction from council to start the process again of looking for a sponsor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11159.625, "end": 11181.925, "text": "So we do not need direction from council to do that. Would we want us we'd have to decide if we'd want a sponsor in light of the fact that we may in Q1 decide we no longer want the f want to continue with the free fare zone. So I think it's kind of an awkward time. So", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 11181.925, "end": 11195.385, "text": "No, I understand that with this amendment, it's going to do it at the same time. So search for a sponsor as well as come back with feedback. We're going to give time for the business community to come forward. That's the whole point of this.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11195.425, "end": 11210.205, "text": "Okay, so what you're just to paraphrase, you would like us to look for a sponsor to inform whether or not the free fare zone could remain free because of that sponsorship.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 11210.565, "end": 11214.645, "text": "Well I just want you to do both at the same time. Is that all possible?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11216.045, "end": 11225.025, "text": "We could certainly find out if anyone is interested while we're doing the review of the fare strategy.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 11225.185, "end": 11234.565, "text": "Yes. Okay. So Okay. I so I think we have clarification about what the amendment is and uh there it is. So", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 11235.765, "end": 11242.485, "text": "Great. Uh is there a second or for the amendment? Second by Councillor Yule. Uh on the amendment, Councillor Johnson.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 11244.085, "end": 11245.645, "text": "Yes, uh sorry, um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 11246.345, "end": 11273.345, "text": "Director Fleming. Uh usually with uh sponsorships and naming rights to I mean a lot of different complexes in that, there's usually um sentiment that people are lining up to sponsor it. Uh during the last sponsorship, was there sentiment that people were lining up to sponsor the free fare zone? Or an appetite that you guys know of?", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11275.445, "end": 11282.425, "text": "I'm not sure what the commercial um the commercial risk in disclosing that would be.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 11282.725, "end": 11288.405, "text": "Okay, so I guess when T D it would have went to procurement, right?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11289.645, "end": 11319.825, "text": "So how it typically works is we have a a sponsorship contract and they will solicit interested parties to look at different things to name. That's how we do it in transit. I don't believe that there was a lineup, but I don't I and I don't think it happened right away that that that sponsorship. I think it was a period of time before we were able to find out find somebody interested in that particular package of sponsorship.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 11320.745, "end": 11340.165, "text": "I mean, am I allowed to ask for your opinion on things? Probably not. But I guess just if you know there's an appetite for this or for even single sponsorships of a single station or or micro sponsorships or something, or if if you guys are aware of uh any other path forward to ensure that this can be privately funded.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11340.665, "end": 11357.065, "text": "Yeah, so we've been looking at other opportunities for sponsorship throughout the system, like station naming, and we haven't received a lot of interest in those station names. So as of right now, I I don't I'm not sure that we have. We'd have to ask again about the free fare zone in particular.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 11357.985, "end": 11390.445, "text": "Maybe I just I just chime in on number four. We could likely come back to council with an indication of interest. Usually sponsorship agreements do take quite a bit of time to craft up, uh, but we could through the summer period reach out uh through a contractor to interested parties to see what that appetite is for potential sponsorship and bring back that as part of that report. And our best gauge would be to hit the market. It's always changing uh depending on where businesses are at, and certainly with uh the help of council tires to to focus maybe on some of our partners in the downtown.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 1 Kim Tyers", "start": 11391.665, "end": 11391.885, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11391.985, "end": 11407.105, "text": "And just to add to that, we wouldn't make a decision without council council approval anyway. So it's your opportunity to decide if it's worth it or what the and and to help us assess with you what the demand is. We could let you know what what we've seen.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 11407.685, "end": 11426.425, "text": "And what would be the risk if let's say a a sponsorship signed a five-year deal or something or three-year deal and come whenever, sorry, the last report, uh whenever this is coming back to us and we decide to kill the free fare zone, what happens to that sponsorship? Would we have to pay it back or we have to bake that in the contract?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11427.565, "end": 11434.605, "text": "My suggestion would be that we work on the deal and not sign it until we make a decision on the free fare zone in Q1", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 11435.265, "end": 11435.725, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11435.745, "end": 11438.725, "text": "and do them at in tandem if the timing works out.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 11438.965, "end": 11498.325, "text": "That's fair. Um okay. Uh the other thing I want to add is uh We approved two uh strategies today with uh almost no KPIs or real understanding the cost to it and here we are not approving this without knowing the KPIs. So I just there's just some inconsistencies in how we're voting today. Um and I want to apologize to our police officers who um it's not easy to come and ask counsel for help and they're just asking for a single tool in their pouch and um they needed a quarter inch screwdriver. We gave them a 516ths, and you know the right tool for the right job. And again, I apologize. We're sending you out with uh the improper tools. So um again, I apologize. Uh I'm hoping whatever comes back will be better than what it is now. That's the hope. Um but for now we're gonna have to do the best with what we have. So thank you.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 11503.245, "end": 11505.165, "text": "Okay, can uh Deputy Mary Chabot, please?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 11506.245, "end": 11508.285, "text": "Ms. Fleming, in light of the fact that we're", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 11508.585, "end": 11523.005, "text": "talking about a five million dollar potential uh revenue, if we're looking for a sponsor, um do we have any idea on what uh free fare zone sponsor's monetary contribution was? Or is that confidential? Market confidential?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11523.265, "end": 11530.285, "text": "That was a confidential item. I'm happy to disclose it in camera if we wanted to.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 11530.745, "end": 11540.065, "text": "No, I'm just uh curious if if we're gonna go out to market, would that at least maybe be a target that we would be looking for from a sponsor?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11542.325, "end": 11550.785, "text": "If the purpose of the sponsorship is to defray the cost of the lost revenue from the free fare zone, then that would be a target.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 11552.545, "end": 11577.925, "text": "We would never want to limit ourselves with a target. We would want to make sure we work with a partner that saw the value that we could capture and have them a sponsor for that value. So we would try to maximize the benefit to the citizen, plus recognize the value that is providing to that naming sponsor. So we we know the valuation with estimates, but we would keep it open ended.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 11578.285, "end": 11580.845, "text": "So you're saying looking for more than five million?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 11581.385, "end": 11587.285, "text": "I I would look whatever a sponsor would see value in, and we'd be happy to uh strike a deal on that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 11589.345, "end": 11600.225, "text": "Okay, thanks. I'll still be voting against it, but uh there's no way we're gonna get a sponsor who's gonna give us five million dollars downtown free fare zone, let alone more.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 11602.585, "end": 11604.445, "text": "Dare to dream. Councillor Atkinson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 7 Myke Atkinson", "start": 11606.765, "end": 11613.565, "text": "I appreciate Councillor Tyres bringing this forward. I can't be voting for this today. Um I've been", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 11613.985, "end": 11694.745, "text": "Running through problems with sponsorship with Cowboys Park and the run-ins with that and sort of seeing how administration has been been going through it with that. And I also actually think that the TD sponsorship is a large part of the reason why we've just spent the past couple hours debating the Fair Free Zone today. It put at jeopardy that original sponsorship put at jeopardy something that has been a part of this city, has been a treasured asset of this city for many, many years. And I so I think we need to really think long and hard about how sponsorship not only has material impacts on the services that we deliver, like in the in the case of Cowboys Park, but even in the case where it's just naming rights and money coming in, I think that then there's always this question about what happens when the sponsorship ends or when the sponsor pulls out and the questions that are left looming because of that. The Fair Free Zone has been something we have supported as a city council for many, many years. It has been a part of our operations of the city, and uh I think that the original sponsorship is a large part of why it is at jeopardy today. So while I can totally respect the the initiative, uh Councillor Tyres uh trying to sort of like uh weave this through, I I won't be supporting it just because of uh my own recent experiences within the ward uh with uh sponsorship and city services.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 11698.605, "end": 11704.345, "text": "Anyone else on Councillor Tyres amendment? Yeah. Councillor Yule, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 11705.505, "end": 11729.445, "text": "Yeah, I'm happy to support this. I mean the research that I did on all this back when this was the free bus downtown experiment in the 1970s, the intention was to have businesses get involved. And I think this is part of getting that aspect back into the original idea of what the free fare zone was supposed to be.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 11730.325, "end": 11732.065, "text": "So thank you.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 11733.125, "end": 11735.045, "text": "Yeah, I will add myself in as well.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 11735.625, "end": 11905.925, "text": "I'm uh I'm of two minds of this. Uh the first one is I view transit much more akin to an essential service and essential infrastructure than, say, recreation or uh say golf courses as an example. I see it much more along the gradient, closer to Water and electricity, it's an essential service for the Calgaryans who really rely upon it. So it's for that reason that, for example, if the question about whether we should have a free fare zone is up to whether we have a sponsor or not, I think that that's the wrong question to ask. Um, we know that the free fare zone for for many reasons that we've discussed uh previously that was brought to us in the uh committee meeting around safety, around vibrancy, around economic development. We know that there's a strong business case to be supporting this. Uh uh it as a public good, uh agnostic of having a sponsor. There's a reason that we don't seek a sponsor in order to have a fire department or a police department. These are things that collectively we've decided are a public good and essential infrastructure to our uh t for us to invest. That said, I want to applaud uh Councillor Tyres' leadership in bringing this forward. There was a clear interest from the members of the public who participated, especially from the business community. Many of them stepped up to the plate and talked about how critical it was for us to maintain this. Um I'm not gonna suggest that we should call the business communities bluff, but you know, if this program is as beloved as the the community members suggested, I think that there'd be significant uh uh interest in sponsoring it. And and I think that the focusing on trying to find a sponsor for five million, I think that that's a silly prospect and a bit of uh Strawman argument. I think there's many different ways a sponsorship can materialize. Maybe it's a local business sponsoring a specific station and asking for that station to be named after their business. Maybe it's a sponsorship that would allow for certain times of the day. Maybe it's a sponsorship that could allow for the free fare zone to be extended. So again, I think there's some creativity here in that I I don't think that there's a sponsor out there who's going to want to pay for all five million. But is there a sponsor, a local business who really relies on the free fare zone that would love, say, the local station rather than being named after the street, but named after their business? And the goodwill that they'd earned from being seen as a supporter and paying a fraction of that five million. I absolutely think that that's absolutely viable. So again, uh counsel, I'd urge you to support this. So um let's allow the creativity out there, and I'd say let's also challenge the community. They they told us how important this program was, especially organizations like the Downtown Association, the Calgary Chamber. Other business associations. So again, just giant thank you to Councillor Tires for bringing this forward. I think this is this is really prudent and it makes a lot of sense.", "segments_merged": 21 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 11907.165, "end": 11909.265, "text": "All right, over to Councillor Kelly on the amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 11909.645, "end": 11981.225, "text": "Yeah, apologies. This is maybe more a point of order, but um I'll offer it as debate. Uh just wanted for all my council colleagues. Uh I know we've been kicking around five million being of value. I don't I don't think it's fair to any potential sponsor listening right now to recognize the fact, whoa, that's that that's the price. No, we uh we're happy to have a conversation with anybody who might be willing to to sponsor uh at various levels, depending on length of time. Uh I I recognize the fact that we just have been kicking around that that dollar amount because it's a dollar amount that happens to be in our package for uh uh safety related things, I believe. Uh so I just wanted to make sure that uh um you know the value of sponsorships and whatnot tends to be the kind of thing that we would that we would discuss enclosed. Uh so I just wanted to make sure that if any potential sponsors are listening, uh please don't hang your hat on that number as the actual number that we're that we're looking for. If you're interested, uh uh I know that uh uh Director Fleming or or or GM Morgan would be more than happy to have a conversation with you or our procurement department. Uh just wanted to make it make it really clear that uh that dollar amount is just a number that we've been uh kicking around here. It's not an actual value.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 11981.785, "end": 11992.425, "text": "Yeah, good point, Councillor Kelly. The the reason I mentioned that five million number is uh just is what is gonna be estimated in terms of new revenue if we were to charge for the free fare zone. But yeah, point well taken.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 11992.825, "end": 11994.545, "text": "Uh Councillor McLean, please, on the amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 11994.925, "end": 11995.825, "text": "Just on the amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 11996.305, "end": 12040.905, "text": "Um, I'll support this. I don't it it's never again to me about the money. I think there's a reason why T D probably walked me there wasn't any value of the downtown. I see the value for people riding it for free, but again to me it's always about safety. The nostalgia we can talk about forty years ago, thirty years ago, twenty years ago. That's not today. Those platforms are a lot different. So I encourage you again, because I do it every day. You walk out this door right here and go to that platform, and what you're seeing is not a whole bunch of tourists. What we're seeing there is not acceptable, and we should have tools for the police to be able to come up and say, What are you doing here? This is not a place to lawyer, this is not a place to do drugs, this is not a place to maybe take a potential weapon on the train. So again, I support this, but we may we miss the boat here on the safety issue.", "segments_merged": 13 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12043.405, "end": 12046.525, "text": "All right, I'm gonna go to Councillor Tyrus to close on this amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 1 Kim Tyers", "start": 12047.185, "end": 12096.845, "text": "Okay, yeah, I guess what we heard earlier, like Dare to Dream, right? Like that five million dollars, it was just thrown out. It's not necessarily the number, but something that we definitely heard. Well, I wasn't here, but when I went back and looked at the footage, definitely heard from the business communities in particular that we're talking about how important the free fare zone is to allow business to thrive downtown. So let's give an opportunity. Um let's open up the sponsorship, whatever that looks like. I'm interested in all kinds of ways that we could do it. Sponsor it by station, sponsor it by street. Who knows? Like anybody who is interested in coming and having that conversation with us, I I think it's a good thing. Um, and like as far as like the safety issues, um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 12098.105, "end": 12159.785, "text": "We heard today that uh that the crime that we're seeing um at specific stations that aren't downtown aren't necessarily because of the free fare zone. It's to do with m safety. At those stations in particular. So that's a totally different topic. Something that, yes, needs to be addressed. And we have a budget that we we we put a bunch of money towards that. That's a totally different conversation. But as far as the free fare zone, if we can if we can move this forward so that we can see if there is interest and if we do have buy-in from the community, and if that comes back to us at the same time as Andrew, or sorry, Councillor Yule's amendment where we're reviewing to see what's going on. If all that information comes back at the same time, we can make a really good decision there. Okay. But uh right now, I I think this is a great way to move forward. Let's let's see what comes out of this. So please support it. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12161.265, "end": 12170.485, "text": "All right. Um Madam Clerk, let's please engage the e vote on this amendment. And the direct administration continue efforts to secure a sponsor and partner.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 12184.485, "end": 12186.405, "text": "Councillor Adkinson, your vote, please. Thank", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 7 Myke Atkinson", "start": 12186.965, "end": 12187.225, "text": "No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 12188.565, "end": 12194.065, "text": "Yes? No? No. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12194.605, "end": 12207.465, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried uh 14 to 1 with uh Deputy Mayor Chabot opposed. Um Madam Clerk?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 12207.945, "end": 12211.665, "text": "That's not correct. I had said no for Councillor Atkinson, but it was marked yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12211.665, "end": 12227.245, "text": "Oh whoops. Uh can we recast that just to make sure that that vote is uh disregarded. Okay, let's uh engage the vote again on that amendment.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 12240.305, "end": 12241.585, "text": "Well the votes are run, Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12241.745, "end": 12256.085, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. All right, on that the motion is carried 13 to 2. Uh Councillor Johnston, did you want to go in on the uh main motion as amended?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 12257.985, "end": 12260.685, "text": "Yeah, I just wanted to ensure it's divided from", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 12261.045, "end": 12263.125, "text": "four is divided from one and two and three.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12263.785, "end": 12291.465, "text": "Okay. Uh given that there is an interest in having the each of those amendments, one, two, three, separate, I'm gonna suggest colleagues that we just call one, two, three, four one at a time and all of it is separate. Okay. Anyone else uh wanting to debate on the uh main uh recommendations here as amended? As amended, rather. Uh Councillor Atkinson?", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 7 Myke Atkinson", "start": 12291.965, "end": 12317.005, "text": "I'll be brief. Let's not kick the can down the road. Let's say no. Let's say that the free fare zone is something we should celebrate. It is something unique to Calgary. It is something that we should continue to have and something that we should just bake into the DNA of transit and and and our downtown and how we move folks around. So uh yeah, uh fair free zone forever.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12318.845, "end": 12320.165, "text": "All right, Councillor Panasopoulos?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 12321.385, "end": 12322.805, "text": "Safe transit system forever.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 12323.645, "end": 12428.965, "text": "Vote for this. Public safety. The reason I voted for this is we get to focus on safety, our own administration, social disorders likely to move to areas just outside the stations. We need a plan. Number two. Number one, we have time to talk to people, including businesses. Number three, and heaven forbid those people listening, five million bucks will take it and run and go from there. And support something at one dollar. We have a complete fair review. There is going to be something there. This is actually the opposite. By voting against this, what right do we have to come back? We don't want to be kicking that, truly will be kicking the can. We have to come back and rehash everything. This is clearly saying look, this is about public safety. Every single thing we've said is about public safety. There's 10 million less riders on the C train because of public safety. Let's get those people back. It's taking time. We're talking, come back. We've got a fair strategy. It's whole. It is the complete. It has a safety. It has our downtown team. It has businesses, because we've all heard from those businesses saying, you know what, this is important. So do we have a strategy? But they also said safety. That's the catch 22. We had the chamber come in and say, don't get rid of it. 74% they want safety, and the gentleman, if you remember, saying, Oh, that's right, and then he sort of came back and said, No, we want it back. So, this is about we have to get this through. This is not free fare forever, it's public safety forever. I know everybody in council wants this. We have to get this through. If we don't, what are we coming back to? We're gonna have a fair discussion, and people are gonna come back and say, Well, we discussed that. There's gonna be five zones and ten zones, it's just gonna be absolute chaos. Vote this forward. Public safety priority number one. We've got cash coming, we're getting results. We can have that messaging back to Calgaryans that safety is a priority on transit, but more importantly, to downtown as well. So it's the counter vote to support this. Let's move forward. We come back in Q1, a fair review, a safety review, business review, and we'll have a better transit system and a better downtown. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12430.985, "end": 12432.185, "text": "Uh Councillor Ward, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 11 Rob Ward", "start": 12432.525, "end": 12433.525, "text": "Yes. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 12434.285, "end": 12462.765, "text": "it it's quite unfortunate that this is so far removed from what the initial intent of this motion was that we are now completely lost. Um just uh I uh to make sure that my colleagues understand, because we've already botched a few vote the votes tonight. If you vote yes to this, you are kicking the can down the road to Q1 2027. If you vote no to this, the free fare zone stays. Just to be clear.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12464.205, "end": 12464.945, "text": "That's correct, yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 12471.045, "end": 12480.105, "text": "Point of order. This is this isn't a report reversed amendment, right? So if this fails, we go back to the original motion that which I moved.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12480.465, "end": 12485.905, "text": "No, the entire motion has been fully amended now, and the original motion was the uh deleted in its entirety.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 12486.045, "end": 12488.805, "text": "So we would have to reintroduce that motion if this failed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12489.365, "end": 12495.965, "text": "Uh it would just there would be no matter to introduce the the the committee report will introduce.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 12495.965, "end": 12497.745, "text": "Couldn't reintroduce the original motion?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12498.165, "end": 12504.625, "text": "Uh you could through a notice of motion if you wished. That's my interpretation. Maybe, madam clerk, if you want to weigh in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 12506.385, "end": 12523.265, "text": "A vote on this will conclude the item. The option that's available to council would be a motion arising if it meets the definition of motion arising. But once an item is defeated or not adopted by council, we there's no bringing back an alternate the item is concluded.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 12523.285, "end": 12545.765, "text": "I I apologize, Councillor Ward. Yeah, but I I would say if we bring a motion arising, it's gonna directly conflict with what this is now. Like, guys, this is uh like I'm sorry, I'm gonna be blunt, but this is why you don't bring a ton of amendments to a motion. If you don't like the motion, vote no to it. Like this is insanity, but okay. I just wanted to make sure that people understood what they're voting on.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12547.405, "end": 12567.725, "text": "Yeah, and and just to make crystal clear, Councillor Ward's point on the deferral, if the deferral uh proceeds, then the the decision on this will be deferred to a later day. Uh if the deferral fails, then the existing policy, which is the free fare zone, stands, which means that the essential the decision is to maintain it. Okay. Uh Councillor Kelly, please.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 12569.445, "end": 12570.745, "text": "Thank you, Bishop. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 12571.205, "end": 12637.765, "text": "I admit this is better than what we in my opinion than what we saw at the beginning. But purely I think from the the the volume of people that we had who reached out about this, every single person who came and presented a committee was against this. Virtually every email I think that we received was again was against uh um uh eliminating the free fare zone. I mean, based on all of that. Uh while this is better than what we saw before, I I I'm still gonna vote against it as a whole. Uh uh to uh respect those neighbors who've uh who've come forward and voiced their opinions. Uh as I take a look at the the the original uh uh motion, I wasn't in committee, so I didn't get a chance to uh to speak to it there. To me, honestly, it's the downside is way steeper than the upside for uh for eliminating the free fare zone. I'm uh I'm I look forward to the eventual fare strategy and uh a bit more of a system review in uh in terms of it. We'll see where we're at at that point, but uh um as it stands, um happy to happy to keep the free fare zone for potentially another 45 years.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12642.445, "end": 12648.085, "text": "All right. Uh back to Councillor Johnson. I believe you had debated on the main motion. Is is a clarifying question.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 12649.545, "end": 12652.125, "text": "Yeah, I have a debate on this main motion now, but", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 12653.345, "end": 12709.145, "text": "I guess I'm now confused kind of what uh Councillor Kelly had just said about voting no to this to keep the free fare zone, correct? But you voted yes to all of these to put on here. Okay. Okay, well if we if we push this to Q1 2027 March or whatever, we have an opportunity to have more data if it exists. I mean, but from now until then, officers are gonna be without potential tools according to them. And I feel if we get another Crowfoot incident happening, it's on us from here on out. So just keep that in mind. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 17 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12711.785, "end": 12713.325, "text": "All right, uh Councillor Schmidt, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 12715.325, "end": 12715.625, "text": "Uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 12716.645, "end": 12852.665, "text": "I uh I'm going to support this because I do appreciate the amount of work that was put into coming up with some of these strategies to get better data, to bring in more people who have a vested interest in the free fare zone, and looking at ways that it could potentially improve. Whether it exists or not. And many of the emails came from folks who live in Ward 8, who, despite all the safety concerns raised today, spoke strongly in support of keeping it. And the thing that speaks to me is the prediction that we have that should the free fare zone close, the public safety issues would filter into the neighborhoods, the same neighborhoods of the people who want us to keep it open. So we would, in effect, be punishing. The residents of Ward 8 twice for a decision to eliminate it completely. And that is is not fair to them. And I think there's also a point here where during the rezoning hearing, many members of this council spoke about the importance of public engagement and listening to the public. This is the the public engagement here is much more definitive than the engagement that occurred during the rezoning debate. And so there's a little bit of cognitive dissonance happening there. And while I would like to see this conversation come to an end, I I do think. Personally, I feel like I owe it to Councillor Pandasopoulos, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Tyres, others who have thought a lot about this and that through this continued work we might actually see a better outcome in the end for Ward 8 and for the entire city. So I'll support this today, and I'm hoping that we have more clarity come Q1 2027 along with new opportunities.", "segments_merged": 19 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12854.805, "end": 12857.265, "text": "Thank you. I'm gonna go to Councillor Atkinson, point of order.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 7 Myke Atkinson", "start": 12857.625, "end": 12866.685, "text": "Uh just we heard something about Crowfoot, and I just want to make sure that I don't have things incorrect here. We had questions about", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 12867.825, "end": 12871.805, "text": "was the incident at Crowfoot in any way connected to the fare-free zone.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 12879.265, "end": 12880.345, "text": "Councillor, thank you. No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 12880.885, "end": 12885.465, "text": "Thank you. Thank you, uh Councillor Atkinson. Uh Deputy Mayor Chabot, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 12887.765, "end": 12888.525, "text": "Yeah, well.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 12889.865, "end": 13015.745, "text": "Some of the debate that's been happening as in relations to keeping the free fare zone. The only motion that I see worth supporting here or considering supporting is recommendation number one. Because we did talk about how we're going to move to new technology, maybe uh the zone-based fares. Uh maybe we could have a reduced fare for the downtown, especially if you stay within the same zone that wouldn't be free and would actually give the officers the tools to work with. And then if you're traveling extended period uh distances, uh then potentially you would be paying more, just like if I have to drive my car a greater distance, cost me a lot more to go a greater distance. um all of the other recommendations, the idea of we need to engage the downtown folks and other businesses and whatnot. That's what they just finished doing. They initially came out with a recommendation that That didn't have that much engagement with the businesses and the arts. And so so we sent them back to do that. And they did that. And now we're telling them to go back and do it again. I uh sorry, it's just it's like groundhog day for me here. And and this is not ground not the second groundhog day, this is like the fifth groundhog day for me because I've seen this this movie play out numerous times. Um at some point in time we have to decide whether or not we want to give our enforcement uh officers the tools to work with to help to make our system safer, because you will hear it time and again, if you haven't already, from your constituents. The main reason people aren't getting on transit is because of safety and not just because of safety. Just the perception of safety is enough to keep people off of the system. We want to increase our cost recovery. The fare box probably the best way to do it is getting more people back on the system with that are paying for their fare. We're we've got deep subsidies out there. We're we're at what 30% cost recovery. We need to improve that. So I'll support number one, but I'm certainly not going to support the other ones, and please call them separately.", "segments_merged": 22 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 13017.945, "end": 13078.285, "text": "Uh, I will throw myself into debate. I uh fully support uh retaining the free fare zone. I view it as uh essential infrastructure, uh socially, economically, even Uh in terms of safety, firstly on the safety piece. We know that I I f I'm quite skeptical in terms of uh some of the data points in the administration report. I find it uh dubious to suggest that uh the vast majority of folks who are boarding the the system today would in fact still board and pay in a future circumstances without the free fare zone. I'll suggest that it just simply having more bodies, more eyes on the system itself uh is a net contributor to public safety on the system. I I find it I'm quite challenged as well by the five million dollar uh revenue target. I uh having such a high percentage of those folks who are boarding today for free and having that level of compliance and that buy in. Um quite sorry, point of privilege, Councillor Johnston?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13078.405, "end": 13084.065, "text": "Yeah, sorry. Um just clarification, was Mike Atkinson's was his a point of privilege or a point of order?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 13085.465, "end": 13089.005, "text": "Uh would have been a point of privilege, but I uh acknowledge them to speak, yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13089.085, "end": 13090.285, "text": "Okay. And so", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 13090.285, "end": 13095.325, "text": "He stated point of order, but uh it it was it more akin to a point of privilege based on quoting something. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13095.445, "end": 13100.845, "text": "Okay, so I should have had point of order to question the point of order about a point of privilege and", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 13101.085, "end": 13103.485, "text": "Uh you have the floor, go ahead. What's your concern?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13103.705, "end": 13113.845, "text": "Well actually it's just something you said and uh you know I'm gonna refrain from saying it, so I'll leave it there. It is,", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 13113.845, "end": 13114.025, "text": "Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13114.485, "end": 13121.445, "text": "but I just think it's important when you talk about safety, you're the only person in the city that travels with security guards.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13122.545, "end": 13130.305, "text": "Hey, Councillor Johnson, you don't need to make it personal in terms of the threat profile that the the mayor of Calgary will receive. It's that's completely beyond the pale, sir.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13130.425, "end": 13130.705, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13130.705, "end": 13132.385, "text": "And I'd ask you to please withdraw that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13134.205, "end": 13135.965, "text": "Okay, sure, I'll withdraw it. Yep.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 13141.365, "end": 13143.325, "text": "But your worship, I will rise on a point of privilege.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13143.325, "end": 13144.545, "text": "Yeah. Councillor Shabot, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 13144.685, "end": 13166.765, "text": "And the point of privilege I'm rising on, Your Worship, is you're challenging to the to the numbers because during committee, the administration was challenged as to uh how much rigor they put into actually coming up with those numbers, and they did indicate that not only did they put a ton of rigor into assessing those numbers, but that they were actually very conservative. Just wanted to make that point, your worship.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13166.765, "end": 13188.425, "text": "Thanks. I'll I'll note Deputy Member Chabot, you probably know that points of privilege and points of order are not used for rebuttal or debate. It's only if you believe that you yourself have been misquoted or the the the rights of the body have been violated. So again, my interpretation of the administration report is separate from that. But point well taken, maybe if we can just proceed to our hopefully our our n uh at least a few more items tonight.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 13189.665, "end": 13436.525, "text": "All right, my my point about public safety is having more people on the train, having more people on transit is a net contributor to its vibrancy. We heard strong support from uh members of the public. One thing that's a bit of a game changer as well on this is sitting on the board of the uh convention center, knowing that we market Calgary anywhere between two to 15 years out. Having the free fare zone is a mitigating factor in that currently we do not have currently uh direct LRT connection from our downtown to the airport. And actually having multiple uh hotels along the alignment, convening at one major event center along the corridor is actually a way that uh we can otherwise uh bring in more business than otherwise. Appreciate the efforts that the community made on saving this essential program. I think it's also going to be incumbent on the community to step up and show that support on an ongoing basis. We can't rest on our laurels, and I know that the interest of this council is to uh perhaps take a look at decisions of previous councils, uh policies that have been in place for quite some time. I respect the fact that us as a group are wanting to do our due diligence and make sure that we understand why things that are the way they are are the way they are. But I would suggest just with with full respect to all of you colleagues is that not everything that uh has been done in the past is necessarily something that needs to be reversed. Um obviously we were um elected on uh a broad change mandate, but we don't necessarily have to be the opposite of uh the previous mayors and the previous council on on absolutely every single issue. And in this case, uh this is a program that's been working for for many, many years, decades, in fact. Uh I'll adjust one thought as well and that You don't even need to spend any time downtown in order to benefit from a program like the Free Fair Zone. If you're going, for example, from Shaunessy to the university, having more bodies on the system, more people on the train as you're making your transit through downtown without yourself stopping, you're a net beneficiary of that. If you're a taxpayer, either residential taxpayer or a commercial taxpayer outside of the downtown core, you benefit from having an active and a vibrant downtown in terms of reduction for policing costs, but also in terms of the taxes that you yourself pay. The immediate crisis that I experienced about five years ago was the property tax shift from the office vacancy rates, knowing that uh the downtown values had cratered that redistribution, that money needed to be made up elsewhere. So having a successful downtown is something that benefits the the rest of the city, regardless of whether you yourself are the beneficiary directly from uh being uh employed downtown or going downtown. So, for so many different reasons, uh, I'll be strongly supporting retaining the free fare zone. I will not be supporting the deferral of the decision, however, so I will be voting no on number one, mostly because I think we need to make a decision. We need to be bold, we we need to commit to this program. And I fully respect and intent uh the intent of the uh folks who worked on the amendment to suggest that a deferral to a later point may make more sense with more information. But I've certainly uh heard enough from the public uh in terms of consolidating my position on this. Of course, I do have an open mind if this does come back to us by Q1 in 2027, but I think if we can send a strong signal of confidence in our downtown as a council by uh sending a clear signal that we are going to keep this program, it helps also mitigate uh some of the concerns that might be out there for specifically for conventions. So if we're trying to book events and conventions for a downtown, uh one of the selling features is the free fare zone. And if we have to have a giant asterisk up until Q1 of 2027 in terms of whether it'll be there next year or five years from now or 10 years from now, I think that that's a killer. So if you want to, regardless of whether you support the free fare zone or not, I think the worst case scenario is prolonging the uncertainty uh around the topic. So", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13436.785, "end": 13448.645, "text": "I am closed and I'm gonna go back to Oh my gosh, it was Councillor Shabot ultimately who uh moved this. So you have the opportunity to close on this new uh amended motion. Deputy Mayor Shabot.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 13456.025, "end": 13459.705, "text": "Well, I'm not sure how it is that I get to close on this, to be honest with you, because", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 13459.985, "end": 13582.565, "text": "my motion was actually replaced by an alternate motion, which is why I wouldn't wasn't able to bring mine back. I will say this. Um if we're even going to consider it, then we're going to look at alternate fair strategies, as I indicated previously. Uh let's let the fair strategy play out and look at what other um opportunities there may be to maybe introduce something, even if it's just a penny to stay within the zone, it will give that tool uh for our administrative folks to actually. Uh action the things that they that they want to action. It'll give them that tool to actually be able to do that engagement and enforcement and maybe connect some of the folks that need other services to those services. But the ability to actually engage them lawfully is something that they can only do if we eliminate that free fare zone. Like I said, even if it's just one penny. If we had a tap-on-tap-off service that could uh charge based on zones within a zone, it could be a dollar, two zones, two dollars, something. Let's look at the whole fair strategy to consider what ultimately might be the best solution on a go forward basis and maybe improve our cost recovery at the same time. But ultimately, the main objective should be to improve safety. And security on our transit system. We can't expect our citizens to be our enforcement folks. To say that increased amount of activity on the system will help to improve the safety of it. Well, essentially you're asking the citizens to be our enforcement officers, and I sure as heck would not be asking my citizens to be enforcement officers. So say support recommendation number one. Previously stated I I don't like the recommendations two, three, or four, uh, but I previously asked for them to be called separately. I think one, albeit it's it's not the ideal solution for me, it's the least bad option. So please support one and do what you will with regards to the rest. Closed.", "segments_merged": 25 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13582.765, "end": 13588.065, "text": "I'm gonna go to Councillor Dallywall for question clarification on what's being voted on. Councillor Dallywell, go ahead.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 5 Raj Dhaliwal", "start": 13588.065, "end": 13607.865, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. Uh since we had so much discussion, I just want clerics if they can help us uh go through steps one, two, three, four. What does one voting yes no means uh in uh conjunction to the original motion? If we vote yes, what is the implication? If we vote no, what is the implication of that, please, if you don't mind.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13608.545, "end": 13685.185, "text": "For sure. So uh really the the bullets two, three, and four are relatively straightforward. Two is to explore the feasibility of transferring the program uh from transit to the downtown strategy team. Three is to undertake more engagement with stakeholders in the downtown. Four is to uh attempt to secure a sponsoring partner. Number one, uh on the deferral of the decision of the free fare zone. So voting yes to defer the decision is not to make a decision to keep it or to scrap it for today, but to make that decision likely at the beginning of next year. Uh so a vote yes to defer is to make that decision later. Uh a vote no to defer is to essentially keep the uh free fare zone without a decision to be made later. So if you're somebody who is seeking to um discontinue the free fare zone, I would suggest that you would vote yes to defer the decision in order to make the case in Q1 of 2027 about why the free fare zone should be eliminated. And if you're wanting to keep the free fare zone, you would vote no on the deferral of the decision. Because if the deferral of the decision fails, then uh because this is a fully alternate motion, the the standard policy and the practice of the free fare zone will be maintained.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_43", "start": 13686.745, "end": 13688.905, "text": "Great. Thank you for that clarification. Thank you, Mir.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13689.545, "end": 13702.825, "text": "All right, so we were gonna we're gonna call these all of these one through four completely separately. So firstly on bullet one, deferring the decision to Q1 of 2027. Let's engage the e vote.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 13716.785, "end": 13721.865, "text": "Councillor Schmidt, your vote please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13722.245, "end": 13750.165, "text": "Thank you. Please display the result. On that, the motion is carried nine to six with counselors ward, Kelly, Dallywell, Atkinson, Clark, and myself opposed. And we'll go now to bullet two, please. And that is on the uh exploring the feasibility of transferring the program from transit to downtown. Let's engage the e vote, please.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 13763.785, "end": 13765.105, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13767.205, "end": 13795.985, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion has been defeated. 7 to 8 with Councillors Ward, Johnston, Atkinson, Jameson, Tyre, Shabot, Wines, and McLean opposed. We'll go now to three on the engagement. This is to direct administration and undertake further engagement with stakeholders in the downtown. Let's engage the evote, please.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 13806.125, "end": 13807.345, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13807.805, "end": 13820.945, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried eight to seven with counselors ward. Johnston, Dallywall, Atkinson, Jameson, Chabot, and Wynus opposed.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 13821.585, "end": 13823.565, "text": "Excuse me.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13821.965, "end": 13824.885, "text": "Okay. Sorry, Councillor McLean, please go ahead.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 13825.105, "end": 13826.865, "text": "I'm sorry, I need reconsideration. I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 13827.745, "end": 13832.205, "text": "voted wrong, I hit the wrong button. Could you have will of counsel to see if you'll allow me to change my vote, please?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13832.905, "end": 13844.685, "text": "Is there any opposition to Councillor McClain changing his vote? Okay, seeing none, uh, we will change that vote. Okay, Madam Clerk.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 13845.005, "end": 13902.005, "text": "Um, just apologies, Mayor, just thinking through um the rules because it is changing the outcome. I'm just wondering if we need a reconsideration. If you just bear with me for one second. Sorry, 126. Okay. So the rules are if a member requests to change their vote and the requested change does not alter the vote result, the request may be done before any other b business begins by unanimous consent or a majority vote. Sub two provides that if a member requests to change their vote and the request to change would alter their vote result, the member may only move to reconsider the original vote before any other business. So in this case, um Councillor McLean would need to move to reconsider the original vote prior to it being taken.", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13902.125, "end": 13929.325, "text": "Okay, so Councillor McLean's vote has not changed. We've had a request from him. Madam Clerk, it probably makes sense for us to just call four, uh, given that we're in in uh a sequence of votes here, and then come back to reconsider just that. Bullet three? Okay. Okay, let's do that. So let's engage the uh we'll come back to you, Councillor McLean. Uh let's engage the e vote, please, on uh the uh bullet four on seeking the sponsor.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 13945.445, "end": 13946.745, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13947.485, "end": 13947.825, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 13948.185, "end": 13949.965, "text": "Thank you. All the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 13950.485, "end": 14002.245, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 10 to 5 with counselors Atkinson, Jameson, Chabot, Wyness, and McLean opposed. All right, so that resolves this item. Immediately after this item, I'm gonna go back to Councillor McLean. And I think uh you need to uh council McLean uh move a reconsideration of that. But council be warned that Councillor McClain changing his vote will impact the outcome. So the engagement that would have proceeded will not proceed if Councillor McLean is allowed to change his vote. And that's in with regards to recommendation three, which was the engagement. Yeah. So that's been moved by Councillor McLean, seconded by Councillor Chabot. Any uh discussion on this? Um", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 14002.405, "end": 14004.185, "text": "Yeah, I'd I'll just uh speak to it quickly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 14004.625, "end": 14016.945, "text": "Um this has happened sometimes and this uh happened before where you have your hovering over yes and you meant to hit no. So I was always in no. Uh so vote vote vote your conscience, but please reconcile let me reconsider my vote.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14017.985, "end": 14021.445, "text": "uh colleagues, I uh I will I was on the", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 14022.325, "end": 14063.665, "text": "Prevailing side, I supported the engagement. I will support Councillor McLean's reconsider of it, reconsideration of it regardless. I think it's just procedurally, it's fair. Uh it's immediately after the vote was cast. Uh uh, despite the fact that allowing him to do that will allow me not to get my way on this matter. I think it's just important as for. The health of us as a council and decorum to allow uh Council McClain uh to accurately have his intent, especially given that his intent and debate was provided in opposition of engagement. So despite the fact that I personally support the engagement, I think it's just procedurally fair to allow Council McClain's uh true wishes to be reflected in the motion.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14064.645, "end": 14073.025, "text": "So um let's engage the e vote, please, on uh the reconsideration of the vote with respect to recommendation three on the item we just had.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 14085.445, "end": 14092.525, "text": "Councillor Jameson, your vote, please? Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14092.825, "end": 14108.145, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 13 to 2 with counselors Johnston and Jameson opposed. And Madam Clerk, is it deemed to have already been moved and seconded? And now we're just in debate.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 14109.265, "end": 14110.625, "text": "It it just goes to a vote on", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14110.625, "end": 14112.625, "text": "Okay, so we're we're going straight to a vote here. Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 14127.205, "end": 14132.465, "text": "Uh point of privilege. I think I need to reconsider. Uh you know, I just want to Councillor Johnston.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14132.465, "end": 14135.705, "text": "We're in the midst of voting, so I'll come back to you after the vote is concluded.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 14146.545, "end": 14147.985, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14148.325, "end": 14173.665, "text": "Thank you. Please uh display the results. All right. That motion has carried eight to seven. Counselors. Ward, Johnston, Dallywell, Jameson, Chabot, and Wynus, and McLean opposed. Okay. Okay, just to explain, so councillor McLean had changed his vote uh from a yes to a no and Yeah, I believe somebody else changed their no to a yes. So", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 7 Myke Atkinson", "start": 14174.105, "end": 14175.545, "text": "I reconsidered my vote.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14175.965, "end": 14180.345, "text": "okay. All right. Uh Councillor Johnston, did you want to speak? Did you have something?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 14180.545, "end": 14181.805, "text": "Nope, I'm good. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14181.805, "end": 14209.365, "text": "All right. We gotta make point of funny a thing in our procedure by law. All right. Uh council, we have 27 minutes to redeem ourselves. I believe that uh there Alright, Madam Clerk. Uh we've concluded the the section seven, right? So now we are rather administration reports. Am I looking at 9.3.1? Is that right?", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 14209.565, "end": 14211.605, "text": "That's right. We just concluded the consent agenda.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14212.445, "end": 14246.225, "text": "Okay, 9.3.1. We have public member appointments to boards, commissions, and committees. And perhaps for the members of the media who are watching or the uh dozens and dozens of people who are listening to the podcast, the free fare zone, uh the dis the ultimate decision on it has been deferred to Q1 of 2027. So the free fo free fare zone stays for now, and a decision on this will be made in Q1 of 2027.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 14249.485, "end": 14250.645, "text": "Kim, you're up.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 14251.265, "end": 14280.685, "text": "Good evening, Mayor and Council. I'm Lori Sittler. I'm the leader of municipal boards and governance. I'm supported today by Deputy City Clerk Fraser and our coordinator of governance and policy, Jeannie Dubetz. I'm here this evening to present the quarterly report of appointments, public member appointments to boards, commissions, and committees. I do have a presentation if you would like me to go through it, or I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14282.725, "end": 14284.305, "text": "Let's do a brief presentation.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 14285.305, "end": 14548.265, "text": "Presentation. Okay, great. Can we please put up the presentation? Uh the recommendations being brought forward are that council adopt the confidential recommendation contained in confidential attachment to Appoint the individual recommended in Confidential Attachment 3A as a public member of the Calgary Salutes Friends of HMCS Calgary Subcommittee for completion of a term to expire at the 2026 Organizational Meeting of Council. Appoint the individuals recommended in Confidential Attachment 4A as public members of the Anti-Racism Action Committee for the completion of two-year terms to expire at the 2027 Organizational Meeting of Council. Acknowledge the following as members of the Calgary Salutes Coordinating Committee by virtue of their positions. Commander Anna Cocott, Captain of HMCS Temcusa, Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Beauchamp as designate of the brigade commander for 41 Canadian Brigade Group. Acknowledge Ian Fleming, Director of Recreation and Social Programs, and as an administrative member of the Multi Sport Field House Committee by virtue as his position as the city as set out in Attachment 5. Thank public members Harjeet Bowman, Denise Audrey Linoux, Veronica McHugh, and Rhonda Thorne for their service on council committees. Direct the City Clerk to make the public member appointments publicly available following notification of the appointees and their acceptance of the appointments, and direct that closed meeting discussions and confidential attachments 2, 3A, 3B, 4A, and 4B remain confidential pursuant to sections 20 and 22 of the Access to Information Act not to be released. Next slide, please. The Advisory Committee on Accessibility received a resignation from a member. The recommendation being put forward is to keep the position vacant until the 2026 organizational meeting of council. Next slide, please. In confidential attachment to you will notice a member of the Calgary Salutes HMCS Calgary Subcommittee became ineligible to remain on the subcommittee. There is a reserve list applicant that was identified during 2025's appointments and is being recommended to fulfill the term that will expire at the 2026 organizational meeting of council. Next slide, please. Three members of the Anti-Racism Action Committee have resigned their position. There are two reserve applicants identified in Confidential Attachment 4A being recommended to continue two of the resigned position terms expiring at the 2027 Organizational Meeting of Council. It is being recommended to have the third position remain vacant until the 2026 organizational meeting of council. Next slide, please. Section 7 of the Calgary Salutes Committee bylaw provides for two non-voting public members that are identified by their position or may be filled by their designate. The captain of HMCS Tecumseh and the brigade commander of 41 Canadian Brigade Group. The designates for these positions were not identified in time for the 2025 Organizational Meeting of Council. It is being recommended to recognize Commander Anna Kokod, Captain of HMCS Tecumsa, and Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Beauchamp, designate of the brigade commander for 41 Canadian Brigade Group for these two non voting public member positions. Next slide, please. According to Section 6 of the Multi-Sport Field House Committee bylaw, composition of the committee includes the Director of Recreation and Social Programs as one of the two non voting administrative member positions. Due to a leadership transition of the director position, it is recommended that Ian Fleming now be acknowledged as an administrative member by virtue of his position. Next slide, please, and we are back to the original recommendations.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14551.605, "end": 14571.805, "text": "Great. Based on that, colleagues, can I please have a mover and seconder? Moved by Councillor or Deputy Mayor Chabot, seconded by Councillor Yule. Any debate or discussion on this, colleagues? Great job with that. Um very thorough. Uh I believe that we can engage the evote on this.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 14592.185, "end": 14593.605, "text": "Councillor Ewell, your vote please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 14594.925, "end": 14595.225, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 14596.565, "end": 14605.445, "text": "Councillor Tyres, your vote, please. Absent. Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14605.845, "end": 14626.345, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 14 to 0. Uh nine point. The next item is time sensitive to tomorrow at 1 o'clock. So I believe that we're now in 9.4. One update to the emergency management bylaw 25M 2002.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 14637.065, "end": 14644.265, "text": "Good evening, Council. I'm Ian Bushel, the Director of Emergency Management and Community Safety. I'm happy to go through the presentation. It is quite brief, if you would like.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14644.965, "end": 14651.125, "text": "Uh colleagues, uh do you have an interest in the presentation? Okay. I think you're off the hook.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 14651.625, "end": 14652.045, "text": "Excellent.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14652.485, "end": 14658.125, "text": "Well uh councillor Shabot, yeah. Yeah, please go ahead.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 14659.145, "end": 14730.365, "text": "Sure. I'll give you very uh very briefly. Um the updates. Uh next slide, please. Thank you. Um, so there's just two recommendations. One is to give three readings to some minor changes to the proposed bylaw uh to amend the emergency management bylaw. And then the second one is to approve some amendments to the municipal emergency plan. Next slide, please. There are just a couple of minor housekeeping items in the emergency management bylaw. One is to change the title of the director of emergency management in there. That is Chief Sue Henry, whose title has changed from the Director of Emergency Management Operations and 911 to just Emergency Management Operations. So it's just a housekeeping item. Nothing else has changed. And then some housekeeping around the procedure bylaw. Again, just to reflect some housekeeping changes around some title changes. That's it. Next slide, please. And then the municipal emergency plan was heavily updated in 2025. And this year we've made some minor updates to the disaster consultation group and some amendments based on after action reports from previous activations just to improve it. Again, minor amendments. Next slide, please. That's it. Short and sweet.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14733.385, "end": 14752.485, "text": "Great. Uh Uh can I please have a mover and seconder for the recommendations? moved by Councillor Clark, seconded by Councillor McLean. Any discussions or questions on this, colleagues? All right, seeing none. Uh Councillor Clark, are you closed? Okay. All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the evote, please.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 14767.025, "end": 14768.465, "text": "Councillor Tyres, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 1 Kim Tyers", "start": 14774.265, "end": 14774.645, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 14775.125, "end": 14777.685, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14778.085, "end": 14815.225, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 15 to 0. First reading of bylaw 18M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw, 18M 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 18M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 18M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. All right, so we're on 9.4.2 Nose Creek Sanitary Trunk Capital Budget Request.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14816.705, "end": 14823.165, "text": "Uh good evening, members of council. My name is Maggie Choi. I'm the manager of growth infrastructure planning. Would you like a presentation this evening?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14825.625, "end": 14834.325, "text": "I don't think so. I think we had a pretty thorough discussion at uh executive committee. Colleagues, any further questions? Councillor Chabot, please.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 14836.205, "end": 14839.645, "text": "Have we um have we tried engaging the provincial government to", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 14840.025, "end": 14844.405, "text": "maybe assist us us as well? Being as there's helping Chestermere, right?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14845.925, "end": 14856.785, "text": "Um there's help for Airdrie. Uh certainly we continue to advocate for funding where possible. Um we have put forward several different lists. I don't know specific to this project or not.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 14856.845, "end": 14859.625, "text": "This is the project that they're helping to fund for airdry, right?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14859.705, "end": 14860.485, "text": "That's correct.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 14861.545, "end": 14862.345, "text": "Just thought I'd ask.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14862.785, "end": 14883.225, "text": "Yeah, I'll jump in and say uh perhaps uh Councillor McLean has more information than me uh as part of the he attended a regional table meeting just a couple days ago, but I know that it's actively on the desk of the six mayors and the Reeve to make a joint submission about why support specifically for water utility in the Calgary region is worthy of provincial support. So", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 14883.385, "end": 14885.005, "text": "Same line essentially.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14885.005, "end": 14885.205, "text": "Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 14885.205, "end": 14905.325, "text": "They're paying only for the airjury side. It's only fair that we should be able to ask who's a who's our MLE in that area. So we we know who is on the other side, uh Miss or M L E Angela Pitt, right? Who's on on our side? We should be we should be lobbying that MLE, I think. Anyways, thanks. That's all the questions I have. Appreciate it. Thanks.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14906.305, "end": 14921.045, "text": "Can I please have a mover and seconder on that? Uh moved by Councillor Yule, second by Councillor Kelly. Any further debate or discussion on that? Okay. Seeing none, uh let's engage the evote, please.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 14942.965, "end": 14944.205, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 14944.605, "end": 14976.345, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. That the motion is carried, 15 to 0. First reading of bylaw 8B 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. All right, we've dealt with 943 earlier in the day. We are now on 9.4.4. Notice of motion. Increasing capacity in the local area plan program. I believe uh Councillor Kelly you're up.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 14979.625, "end": 14981.485, "text": "Really wasn't looking forward to this being at like", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 14981.925, "end": 15140.385, "text": "9 20 at night, but uh here we are. Uh thank you, members of council. Uh I I rise today to introduce this notice of motion to increase capacity in the local area, uh local area plan program. Um, as we've heard through the recent public hearing, uh the blanket rezoning public hearing, Calgaryans are. Deeply engaged in how their communities involve, but they're also expressing clear concerns. Many residents feel that development is happening without their feedback, and they have been expressing concerns about what their neighborhoods will look like in the future. Local area plans are the best available tool to address these concerns. They give Calgarians a meaningful voice in shaping growth, especially if we as counselors are working alongside them throughout that process, and they provide a clear long term roadmap for redevelopment. However, the current pace is not keeping up with the need. With only a small number of plans completed and several still in progress, it could take up to 15 to 20 years to complete all of these plans. That is simply too long to leave communities without clarity. The purpose of the this motion proposes a practical solution, accelerating the work just by a little by initiating three additional local area plans. Let me be clear here. This work will require a 2027 budget ask. But what is before us today is providing administration permission to be prepared should we fully fund this work in November so that they can hit the ground running in 2027 and deliver on the expectations of neighbors like those that we heard during the blanket rezoning public hearing. This is a responsible investment that will help bring certainty and transparency to the process, allowing more uh better planning outcomes for more communities sooner. Ultimately, this is about building trust. It's also about ensuring that growth is guided and reflective of the people who live in these neighborhoods. For these reasons, I encourage council to support this motion as our first step in addressing the growth concerns shared with us during the blanket rezoning public hearing. And I thank counselors Jameson, Clark, Tyres, and Mayor Farkas for co sponsoring this notice of motion before us today. I'm happy to answer any questions on clothes should any of the councillors have any.", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 15141.165, "end": 15149.545, "text": "All right, can I get a seconder, please? Uh seconded by Councillor Tires. Uh Councillor Johnson, you're in the queue.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 15151.205, "end": 15155.245, "text": "Yeah, we received a document about the Calgary plan, and I'm just curious how", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 15155.865, "end": 15164.865, "text": "those two things would work together or work against each other if administration can help me understand a bit better.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 15167.585, "end": 15189.685, "text": "Through the mayor, uh to councillor Johnson. So yes, the Calgary plan is the municipal develop will be, it's our draft updated municipal development plan. The municipal development plan is our citywide policy. The local area plan sits under that. They're both statutory plans, and the local area plan gets more specific down to that community level.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 15190.085, "end": 15192.825, "text": "So they complement each other.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 15193.485, "end": 15203.965, "text": "Yes, they work together. And if there's not a local area plan in an area, then when we're reviewing applications, we would revert to the municipal development plan.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 15204.685, "end": 15209.985, "text": "And if we vote no on this, how long would it take to get to these through the proper process?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 15211.025, "end": 15224.745, "text": "So we're we've got three underway, and I think Councillor Kelly in his opening said approximately 15 years to get the entire city, although I I believe you were calculating for the entire city, Councillor Kelly. Just a nod.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 15224.745, "end": 15227.925, "text": "Uh b based on the numbers that were uh provided.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 15227.925, "end": 15230.845, "text": "Yeah, I unfortunately I can't allow that kind of back and forth under the", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 15230.845, "end": 15241.545, "text": "Sorry, I just was looking for a nod. So essentially a lot of the outer communities have area structure plans, so we don't have to go out there because they're still developing, but um it will it will take several years.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 15241.765, "end": 15244.625, "text": "Just to get to these specific three though.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 15245.985, "end": 15266.665, "text": "What this is proposing is three additional local area plans to the to in addition to the three we currently have underway. So we would then have we would be able to, if this was approved with the funding, able to resource six local area plan teams to undertake six local area plans at one time.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 15267.725, "end": 15281.425, "text": "And do we have three in the path? Like coming after these three if we approve these three, and obviously there's resource issues, but would there be three more coming after this?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 15281.825, "end": 15292.605, "text": "So when we finish one local area plan, we start another one. So right now, though we only have three two teams doing this work, what this is doing is essentially doubling our capacity.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 15293.945, "end": 15299.985, "text": "Okay. Um and how many more potential local area plans are out there? Um", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 15300.885, "end": 15303.045, "text": "I'll ask Director Goldstein to answer that.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 15304.805, "end": 15345.225, "text": "Hi, Councillor Johnson. We have about 17 total remaining, give or take. Area structure plans, we don't anticipate needing to redo those. Most of them have been done within the last 10 years. And so what this would do would be to, as GM Hamilton said, add three additional, so six total going at one time. We actually stagger them so they're not. The council isn't going to see six local area plans at the same council meeting. Um and it helps with communities as well because there are members that may participate in multiple local area plans at the same time.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 15345.705, "end": 15351.145, "text": "are any of these three or the other three that have already been approved there any of those connected to Ward 14?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 15351.765, "end": 15352.525, "text": "They are not.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 15352.725, "end": 15353.525, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 15355.305, "end": 15385.945, "text": "So if this notice of motion goes through, we would undertake the work to establish where the next three are going to be undertaken. So the existing three that are underway right now are there is actually like a small corner that is part of one of your industrial areas. Other than that, that's in the existing local area plans.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 15386.505, "end": 15388.985, "text": "Are they prioritized uh local area plans?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 15389.465, "end": 15417.745, "text": "So they are the evaluation is done based on development pressures that are going on, investments that are going on from the city, or very large redevelopments that are happening. And the idea would be that we would like to get ahead of growth as well. So areas that may not have development pressures happening today, but could have some coming within that near future as well.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 15417.905, "end": 15418.525, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 15418.525, "end": 15425.025, "text": "Thank you. All right. Uh next up, Councillor Clark.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 15425.465, "end": 15459.665, "text": "Yeah, thank you, sir. Just a quick question. Of course, as we speak of the ongoing uh LAPs, uh we know that uh Ward 9 is lucky to be engaged with um uh the South Bow and Carburn. So it I just the question that I have is what are the implications to the work ongoing? If we approve three more and your team is engaged with the additional work, are there any implications to the quality uh of outcomes to the existing work happening in my neighborhoods?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 15460.345, "end": 15483.685, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Clark, through through the chair. I'll speak to budget and then I'll let Director Goldstein add if there's anything else. So this notice of motion is very specific and that we need budget to hire the staff to do to undertake those additional three LAPs. Without budget, we cannot do this work. And I'll turn to Director Goldstein for anything else.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 15484.105, "end": 15513.185, "text": "So the budget associated with this would be to create identical teams to the ones that are going through the three local area plans today. So we wouldn't anticipate there being any impact to the quality of the existing local area plans that are ongoing today. The piece that's important is to staff the team with the most knowledgeable people doing this work. This is advanced work that we need to do, and that's why the budget ask would be before council in November.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 15513.445, "end": 15515.525, "text": "Okay, great. That's good for me. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 15518.165, "end": 15519.305, "text": "Councillor Jameson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 12 Mike Jamieson", "start": 15521.745, "end": 15522.665, "text": "Yes, thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15523.765, "end": 15567.825, "text": "Um so yeah, so I I did support uh this this norm because I I believe that the numbers that that I calculated over 400 speakers at the rezoning hearing, um, and the message was clear. Uh residents want to say How their neighborhoods develop. The LAPs are how we deliver that. I believe the 400K is self funded from existing planning and development services variants and fees. The repeal removed the blunt interest instrument. You know, the LAP is the precision tool that replaces it. I think everybody heard that pretty clearly.", "segments_merged": 12 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 12 Mike Jamieson", "start": 15568.925, "end": 15574.405, "text": "Any Councillor that supported repeal, in my opinion, should probably support this. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 15575.345, "end": 15576.545, "text": "Councillor Chabot, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 15578.925, "end": 15579.925, "text": "So I heard budget,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 15580.765, "end": 15591.145, "text": "but nobody gave me a number. Do we have any idea on what kind of budget numbers we're talking about for all three? We're not going to do one at a time, right? We're talking about doing all three simultaneously.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 15594.225, "end": 15613.885, "text": "The apologies. The total uh would be fourteen point seven million dollars added and that is because it we would need it for at least a three year period. You can't just have a one year start on an LAP that will take three years.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 15614.745, "end": 15622.105, "text": "Okay, thanks. Not 400,000, not self-funded. 14.7 million dollars.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 15622.925, "end": 15661.505, "text": "If I may, Councillor Chabot, so that This is two-pronged, right? Because the ask is for us to start in 2026, and that's using a 400,000 budget. We this team does have two funding sources, so both fees and tax. I've let the mover know that there is an issue with our fee component of this for this year. But given when we'll be able to start this, it's going to be a small amount, so it should be doable. And then, yes, the the $14 million is in your budget. Well, it it would be needed to be approved in the budget.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 15661.505, "end": 15663.165, "text": "Will be. Yes.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 15663.165, "end": 15663.825, "text": "Every year.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 15664.725, "end": 15666.765, "text": "Yes, thank you. Oh, we", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 15667.245, "end": 15766.845, "text": "I'm I'm gonna be blunt here. We we just had a very difficult discussion. We we know what LAPs are. Well, at least some of us know. Uh we used to do ASPs, which was like Community by community almost, very small in nature. These LEPs are multiple ASPs combined together. So the idea that we're not moving fast is actually not accurate. If you look at how much we're doing as far as new plans currently versus what we were doing in the past, this is a very accelerated process of looking at amending our area structure plans or area redevelopment plans, now local area plans. So the idea of now doubling that capacity, you have to also consider double the capacity, hire all those people to do all of this work. Most of it is focused around old established areas. Um currently, soon we're going to be going into areas that will not be developing or redeveloping for the next 20 to 30 years. By the time they actually come into effect, they will be outdated. This is this is just beyond. Beyond what I think is reasonable. If this was looking at adding maybe one more LAP to the current three that are underway, I might want to consider it in light of the challenges that we're going to be facing come November. I I can't, in good conscience, add this in addition to what we've already seen as far as projected budgetary increases. So I'm definitely a no, definitely a no.", "segments_merged": 15 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 15770.205, "end": 15783.445, "text": "All right. Uh this is an important strategic topic for council. We have many other folks uh in the queue. Uh rather than seek a motion to go late, I'm just gonna bang the gavel. We're gonna be back here at one o'clock. See you tomorrow.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 15788.585, "end": 15803.565, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Councillor Ewell. Councillor Atkinson. Councillor Shabot. Councillor Clark. Councillor Dollywall. Councillor Dollywall Remote?", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 5 Raj Dhaliwal", "start": 15804.485, "end": 15804.905, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 15804.945, "end": 15810.045, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Jameson. Count Councillor Johnston, Councillor Kelly,", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 15810.105, "end": 15810.445, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 15810.445, "end": 15811.385, "text": "Councillor McLean,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 15812.285, "end": 15812.725, "text": "I'm here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 15813.185, "end": 15824.145, "text": "Councillor Pantozopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Kara, and Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 15824.965, "end": 15825.485, "text": "I'm here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 15825.645, "end": 15826.065, "text": "Thank you, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 15826.645, "end": 15852.905, "text": "All right, colleagues, we were midway through uh councillor uh Kelly's local era plan item. What I'm gonna suggest, uh given that I would argue that as a council, there's probably no greater strategic priority for us than the recruitment of our CAO, that we respect the uh 1 p.m. spit time specific item for this. So Uh based on that, could I request a motion to postpone this item until the conclusion?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 15852.905, "end": 15854.485, "text": "Your worship, if I may", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 15854.425, "end": 15855.285, "text": "Councillor Shabot? Yep.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 15855.665, "end": 15856.505, "text": "before we do that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 15856.505, "end": 15856.705, "text": "Yep.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 15856.825, "end": 15889.765, "text": "Um I wanted to raise uh I don't know if it's a point of procedure or a point of privilege in regards to a uh response that I got from administration yesterday when I asked about the cost of the uh the three LAPs. And the number that I got was I believe a uh a total sum, but the base uh budget requirement is going to be uh three million dollars per year, of course, in perpetuity because we're talking about staff members, so I wanted to be that be on the record that is three million dollars is the going to be the annual uh operating cost associated with those three LAPs.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 15890.365, "end": 15906.885, "text": "Thank you, uh Council. Thank you, Deputy Mayor Shabot. Well taken. Uh before before I seek that motion to postpone, however, uh just wanted to openly acknowledge uh and wish a happy uh Eid to our Muslim Calgarians who are celebrating, and I'll go to uh Councillor McClain for an acknowledgement.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 15907.365, "end": 15908.265, "text": "Oh, thank you, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 15908.545, "end": 15924.845, "text": "Aid El Adha Mubarak to Calgary's Muslim community and to all those celebrating. As families and friends gather in prayer, reflection, and generosity, I want to thank Muslim Calgarians for the many ways you strengthen our city through service, compassion, and community.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 15925.405, "end": 15935.005, "text": "Thank you, Councillor McLean. All right, uh so as I was mentioning before, uh uh Councillor Kelly, would you be willing to move the postponement of this item?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 15935.765, "end": 15939.265, "text": "Uh yeah, we've already waited twelve hours. I think it's okay to wait a little bit more.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 15939.725, "end": 15972.525, "text": "All right, uh that's been moved by Councillor Kelly. Can I have a seconder, please? Okay, seconded by Councillor Schmidt. And that's to essentially just postpone the item that we're on on the increasing local airplane capacity to be to be at the conclusion of the CAO recruitment and appointment uh item. So on that, uh any discussion or debate? Okay, seeing none, uh I will call the e vote. So let's engage the e vote on that, please. And then to be clear, we would just come back to the LAP item after. Uh the conclusion the CIO item.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 16000.345, "end": 16008.985, "text": "Councillor Atkinson, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Sherbeau, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Wyness, your vote, please. Thank you. And Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 16009.165, "end": 16009.485, "text": "Yes. Oh,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 16009.805, "end": 16011.705, "text": "Thank you. Mayor, all the votes.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 16015.665, "end": 16021.645, "text": "Councillor Shabot did not vote? I believe the system's a little bit slow.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 16022.205, "end": 16026.025, "text": "The system was a little bit slow, but we did see a check mark on yours. No?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 16026.645, "end": 16029.585, "text": "Just verify, Councillor Shabot, you voted in favor. Okay.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 16031.685, "end": 16032.665, "text": "Then all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 16034.865, "end": 16050.205, "text": "And uh please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 15 to 0. All right. Uh we are now on the time specific item. Um is it over you, Madam Clerk? Okay.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 16060.765, "end": 16070.625, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas and members of council. So Kate Martin, City Clerk. I do have a brief presentation to walk council through if you would like, or otherwise, I'm happy to proceed to questions.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 16070.765, "end": 16072.085, "text": "No, thanks. Please please go ahead.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 16072.325, "end": 16291.305, "text": "Okay. Okay, so just one moment, please. So before I get started, Council, I do have one important introduction to make. I would like to let you know that in support of today's presentation, with respect to establishment of a Chief Administrative Officer Recruitment and Appointment Subcommittee, I am joined today by Mr. George Cuff, who is in the audience. He will be supporting administration and the delivery of this presentation. Mr. Kuff is someone who has worked extensively with both City Solicitor Flohen as well as our acting general manager Jennifer Capella and myself, as well as members of our senior management team. In terms of a brief introduction, Mr. Cuff is someone who has more who has more than 40 years of municipal government experience. He is someone who has extensive experience in CAO recruitment as well. And I felt that it was important that you could have someone here that would provide you with independent external advice with respect to the CAO recruitment. So, with that brief introduction, if I could go to the next slide, please. Council, in terms of the recommendations that are before you today, first and foremost, it's to give three readings to a proposed bylaw to establish the Chief Administrative Officer Recruitment and Appointment Subcommittee of the Executive Committee as a committee of counsel. Second, it's to appoint four members of the executive committee to serve on this subcommittee for terms expiring 60 days after the commencement date of employment of the permanent chief administrative officer to allow for this subcommittee to deliver a council led onboarding and orientation. And lastly, is to appoint a chair of the Chief Administrative Officer Recruitment and Appointment Subcommittee. At some point, I might start saying CAO just to speed things up. Next slide, please. So, in terms of highlights, council, as Mayor Farkas has just indicated, this is one of the biggest decisions that this council will be making. City Council is now beginning the search of the City of Calgary's next CAO. The executive committee already has the power to refer reports to council regarding the recruitment and appointment of the CAO. That is the existing governance model. Council has deemed it necessary to establish a subcommittee of the executive committee. And then lastly, in terms of the responsibilities, the subcommittee would be responsible for recommending candidates. And that is really important to note. The committee would be recommending candidates for appointment by council as the next CAO and organize a council led onboarding and orientation of that individual after the appointment. Next slide, please. Really briefly, Council, in terms of governance, the governance model that is being proposed today is one that fits into the existing rules within the procedure bylaw. So the CAO recruitment and appointment subcommittee would be one to execute the recruitment and appointment process and provide recommendations to the executive committee. From there, the executive committee already has the ability to provide recommendations and refer reports to council for a decision. And of note, under the procedure bylaw, your executive committee also has the power to refer items back. So that means it could refer items back to the CAO recruitment and appointment subcommittee. Moving on from the executive committee, your governance structure provides that the executive committee reports into council, and council is the ultimate decision maker. Next slide, please. In terms of mandate and authority, so the mandate would be for", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 16291.305, "end": 16304.365, "text": "Madam Clerk, if you don't mind. Uh could I ask uh council members just to try to provide as much undivided attention to the presenter here and avoid sidebar conversations, even in the chair here, it's hard to. It's hard to hear over the conversation that's happening concurrently.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 16307.525, "end": 16605.005, "text": "The mandate for the subcommittee will be to recommend the executive committee candidates for consideration by counsel for that ultimate appointment of your CAO. And the mandate also includes reporting to the executive committee on a monthly basis. With respect to the authorities, they are outlined on the slide as well as in the proposed bylaw contained in attachment two. I will go through them rather quickly, but I will be sure to have time at the end for questions. So, first, the authority is to direct administration to retain an external recruitment firm with costs to be funded from corporate programs. Create a CAO job profile with the input sought from each member of council. Work with the recruitment firm and administration to conduct that recruitment, including but not limited to establishment of a recruitment appointment strategy, as well as set out those timelines. The authority also includes making the determination that recruitment has not resulted in sufficient or suitable applications and request that additional advertising and recruitment is undertaken. Compile a short list of potential candidates, taking into account the recruitment firm's recommendations and finalize interview questions. Recommend to counsel through the executive committee up to three candidates for an interview. Conduct those interviews in accordance with council's direction, ensuring that all candidates are treated with professionalism. Recommend to council through the executive committee one candidate for appointment of the CAO by council. Prepare and recommend to council for approval via the executive committee, the terms of the CAO employment contract, and lastly organize a council led onboarding and orientation program for the new CAO. Next slide, please. With respect to membership, what is being proposed is in light of the current governance structure within the procedure bylaw and the executive committee. So four members of the executive committee that are to be appointed by council. In addition to those four members, the mayor is proposed to be ex officio. Chair will be appointed by council. The vice chair will be elected by the members of the subcommittee. And council, I am proposing that this subcommittee continue for 60 days following the commencement date of employment of the permanent CAO to allow for some sufficient time to deliver your council led onboarding as well as orientation session. Uh next slide please. I wanted to touch on the rights of non-members, starting with what non-member counselors may do. Any member of council may join the meeting of the subcommittee at any point in time, including closed meetings. They can also take part in the discussions and the debate, including any items discussed in closed meetings. Non-member counselors have the same obligations to held to hold, excuse me, confidential discussions. And I will note that as all council committees under the procedure bylaw, every member of council will receive a copy of the agenda as well as the agenda materials so that you can prepare yourself, you can see what the subcommittee will be discussing, and you will have access to all of those materials. Legislative notice for the subcommittee meetings will also be issued by myself as the city clerk and it will be publicly posted. This is no different than any of the models that we currently have for our council committees. Next, moving on to when not member counselors may not do. And I will share that I have adopted this model from our existing audit committee. So non-member counselors may not place nominations or vote for the vice chair, they will not count towards meeting quorum, they will not vote on agenda items, and they will not exercise the authorities set out in section 7. But to be clear, while they're not exercising the authorities, they may partake in every subcommittee meeting as well as the discussions, and they will have the ability to observe whether it's the interviews or the conduct of the subcommittee meetings. Next slide, please. When it comes to meetings, I am proposing that the subcommittee meet as required to carry out its mandate. Meetings will be called or canceled at the call of the chair, and quorum for the meetings will be three voting members. And again, as I just mentioned, the legislative meeting notices will be provided for all meetings called by the chair. I am proposing quorum to be three members, even though membership is four, and that is again to highlight the significant decision making that is ahead of the executive committee as well as council with respect to this appointment. Next slide, please. We are back to the recommendations. So just in summary, it's to give three readings, it's to appoint the four members, and it is to appoint the chair. So with that, Council, thank you very much. Thank you for putting trust in me to bring you a proposal that you can consider today. And with that, both Mr. Cuff, myself, and City Solicitor Flowen are available to take your questions. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 16605.525, "end": 16607.565, "text": "Thank you, Madam Clerk. I'll go to Councillor Ward, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 11 Rob Ward", "start": 16609.425, "end": 16626.885, "text": "Um just to confirm, so it's only members of executive committee that can be a part of this subcommittee, which would include Councillors Chabot, Dollywall, Kelly, Pantasopoulos, Wynus, Ewell, and of course Mayor Farkas ex officio. Would the alternate be valid for that selection as well, which I believe is Councillor Tyres?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 16627.665, "end": 16644.305, "text": "So the way that the bylaw is currently drafted, and I reviewed it this morning, it is explicit that it is for members. Certainly, an amendment to the bylaw could be proposed today to expand the membership to include the alternate members. And then that would still remain a subcommittee.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 11 Rob Ward", "start": 16645.085, "end": 16653.805, "text": "Just to be clear, so we're we're voting on four members, but we cannot uh I g we you couldn't vote the alternate as one of your selections right now, no.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 16654.085, "end": 16690.705, "text": "That's correct. So not right now. That would require an amendment following first reading to expand the membership. Membership is set out in attachment four. I'm just going to go there, bear with me for one moment. And it is listed as four members of the executive committee. I cross referenced that with the membership within the procedure bylaw, and it outlines that they are the alternate members. Section eight does not currently include alternate. So should council wish to expand the membership to the alternates of the executive committee, that would require a simple amendment after first reading.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 11 Rob Ward", "start": 16690.965, "end": 16694.825, "text": "Okay. I'm gonna put you on the spot. Do you know who the alternates are?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 16695.065, "end": 16699.785, "text": "Um yourself, Councillor Tyres, as well as Councillor Jameson as the vice chair of audit.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 11 Rob Ward", "start": 16701.885, "end": 16704.465, "text": "I would put that amendment forward then. Okay, thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 16706.265, "end": 16725.585, "text": "Okay, that'll I'll acknowledge you following uh first reading, Councillor Ward, and then perhaps we can you can work with clerks on the exact language that that requires. It seems relatively straightforward in assertion though. Okay, uh I see Councillor Benizaltos. Go ahead.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 16726.125, "end": 16728.925, "text": "Thanks so much uh for the presentation. Just wanted to confirm", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16729.405, "end": 16741.505, "text": "um ultimately executive committee and all the members can participate would approve the three to go to final interviews and then council would have the final say on on the CAO.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 16742.165, "end": 16744.525, "text": "So I will perhaps start with um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16744.945, "end": 16799.685, "text": "Confirming it will be all of council that will be making the decision. How I have structured the proposal is that decisions will go to council from the subcommittee. So the subcommittee will provide up to three recommendations. First to the executive committee, that will be the first stop. At the executive committee, all members of council may attend. They may all also vote. So at the executive committee meeting, if there is agreement, those up to three recommendations will continue on to council, or perhaps there's an amendment, or it gets referred back to the subcommittee. But ultimately, up to three recommendations are to be made to council for a decision on interviews. Once council makes a decision with respect to the candidates and the interviews, the subcommittee will then go ahead and conduct those interviews. The next decision process will be the subcommittee will then recommend one.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 16799.965, "end": 16805.325, "text": "And that one recommendation will flow to the executive committee from the executive committee on to council.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 16806.065, "end": 16809.025, "text": "Um you mentioned the eight counselors that are not on", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16810.105, "end": 16821.565, "text": "I have a chance, excuse me, to participate. Um uh section seven of the bylaw. And and specifically, really the big one that jumps out to me is not being able to interview. You know, all of us you can participate, you can read minutes, you can go maybe", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 16822.125, "end": 16829.005, "text": "just speak to ways that counselors to can still participate. You know, can they ask questions through the headhunter? Can they", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16829.345, "end": 16833.465, "text": "guide or will we have a review of the job description? Just sort of walk through how the", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 16834.105, "end": 16836.305, "text": "just to make sure that their voice is heard through that process.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 16836.305, "end": 16862.605, "text": "Oh, I'm I'm so glad that you asked the question, Councillor Pentazo. So absolutely, this process um is is been envisioned by myself to move council to a decision in a timely matter, but it is not the intent or the function of this process to limit the participation of members of council. So as you've set out um already, Council Pentazo, I'll draw your attention to section seven um sub B right from the", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16863.865, "end": 16868.485, "text": "P Councillor Pentasopoulos, yes, sorry. So seven B right there, you just raised it. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 16868.825, "end": 16942.765, "text": "The subcommittee will be creating a CAO job profile, but right within the bylaw I have prescribed that it is to be done with input from each member of council. So really that is an opportunity right there for every member of council to contribute to what is that job description, what is it going to look like, what are we going to be advertising? When it comes to other places where members of council can participate, yes, there will be a potential recruiter, but members of council can certainly submit whether it's their interview questions, whether to the recruiter or whether it is to the chair or to the committee members, they are welcome and able to sit in on all the interviews. So while the interviews are prescribed to be conducted by the membership, any member of council can attend them. And if they have questions ahead of time, I would encourage them to liaise with the chair. So I would say there is again input for any member of council that would like to be involved to contribute to that process.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 16943.045, "end": 16960.145, "text": "Fantastic. And maybe could you end on uh timing? Um you know, assuming this goes through today, maybe just walk us through that hard deadline of December 1st and what's a realistic, and maybe if your colleague, assuming it's a global, if not certainly a national search, what sort of timeline should we be thinking about as a council in Kelgarans?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 16960.705, "end": 16973.385, "text": "So not as a as a recruiter myself. Um in my opinion, the the runway is short. Um we already have our council schedule that is set. So should a chair be", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16974.005, "end": 17025.045, "text": "I'm appointed by council today, assuming the bylaw is adopted. I would say the first order of business is for myself to meet with the chair likely this week to start thinking about what the subcommittee schedule look like so that we can align it with all the executive committee meetings. So the next sub next executive committee meeting is June. Might not be possible, but I would say that through June, the subcommittee can work, be prepared for the executive committee in July. Then we're going to get into the summer months. And I'm, you know, I cannot speak for your schedules, but I do assume that some of you might not be available through August, which means September will likely be a very, very busy month for you to conduct the interviews likely into October. But I would say by November, council should be receiving in an ideal world, council by November should be receiving a recommendation.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 17025.185, "end": 17040.605, "text": "And that drives the critical nature of doing something today, you know, a postponement that you've got stampede and then it comes into July. You move that over. Um, because I think that ultimate goal is to have an overlap in a perfect world that he or she who joins as new CAO would have at least some time with our existing. So wonderful. Thank you so much. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 17040.605, "end": 17049.645, "text": "That's right. And and as well as built in some of that time for the onboarding and orientation, right? I think that that is an important consideration in my in my opinion, so that you have some time.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 17054.125, "end": 17055.305, "text": "Councillor Kelly, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 17056.365, "end": 17096.005, "text": "Uh thank you, worship. I think Councillor Panasopoulos asked a lot of the questions, but uh that that I was thinking of here. Um Madam Clerk, when I take when I take a maybe I'll ask the question as it relates to the bylaw. My my in my desire uh as a as a Councillor is that as many council members have uh input into this process as possible. I think that the mayor said it earlier that this is the most important decision that we're gonna we're gonna collectively make. Is there anything in the bylaw that would stop the committee selected from soliciting input from counselors uh outside of what has been mandated in the bylaw?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 17096.125, "end": 17096.605, "text": "No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 17097.505, "end": 17106.685, "text": "So if for example we wanted uh counselors to uh provide input in terms of who should be the can uh who should be the uh the type of candidate we're looking for, that would be allowed,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 17107.105, "end": 17147.265, "text": "Absolutely. I mean right in section seven, um I started with the premise of recognizing it's going to be important for all members of council to start at the beginning with the job profile and the job description. So absolutely, I think that there's going to be opportunities to engage. There will be the opportunity to always engage at the executive committee meeting as well. The bylaw provides that the subcommittee will be reporting on a monthly basis. So that will be a legislated standing item on your agendas, which provides a really good opportunity to connect as well. But there is nothing within the bylaw that would provide or limit any of those opportunities.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 17147.265, "end": 17152.685, "text": "including recommendations from members of council in terms of what questions should be asked by the", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 17152.745, "end": 17173.705, "text": "Absolutely. So while the ultimate interview questions will be asked by the committee members, there is no prohibition within the bylaw that would restrict any member of council submitting their own questions for consideration, recognizing that it will be the committee who will vote. But most certainly you can solicit input, and counselors would be encouraged to do so under the current framework.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 17174.225, "end": 17209.205, "text": "and then the last uh uh sort of question sort of uh related to this. Um having been through this process, uh not not for a CAO but for senior leaders before, uh, an interview panel of five members. Is pretty intense. Is there anything in this bylaw that would allow that committee to uh to say only three members uh uh would actually conduct the interview and then two of the of the committee members would effectively uh participate as observers the same way that the rest of council would?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 17209.565, "end": 17239.245, "text": "So quorum is three. So you can certainly the minimum number that you would require to conduct interviews is three. The bylaw provides that the committee will determine the recruitment strategy and the timelines. So what I would recommend in answer to your question is as the committee meets and as it involves, those would be great decisions for the committee to make, but there is nothing in the bylaw before you that would prohibit you sitting in panels of three to do the interview.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 17239.545, "end": 17251.565, "text": "Okay, thank you. I I really appreciate answers to the question. It seems to me that you've drafted the bylaw to be as flexible as possible for us as council to make sure that we have as much input as possible from members of council. Those are my questions. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 17252.665, "end": 17307.925, "text": "Thanks. I've jumped in and I'd like to invite uh Mr. Cuff, who's been invited here in support of administration's presentation. To please approach. And uh firstly, sorry, I just want to say thank you so much for making yourself available in support of council. And counsel, I mentioned previously in another meeting that he actually wrote the book book on being a mayor. And he wrote the book on effective searches for senior leadership. And firstly, can I ask you just a very generic question? Do you have any thoughts of us going into this process, stumbles, pitfalls, things you would avoid us to do, do's and don'ts, pros and cons? And what are some of the mistakes that you've seen in your many decades of experience that you think we can avoid?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 17309.825, "end": 17568.565, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I appreciate ladies and gentlemen of council the opportunity to be here with you. I appreciate being invited by your senior administration to provide some advice in terms of the process and some of the steps that should be followed. And uh one of the things that I pointed out, I think that all members of council should have a voice in terms of who's hired as your CAO. This is your, in my view, one of the most important decisions you're going to make in four years. Uh it's important because the CAO is recognized in the Municipal Government Act as your chief policy advisor. That means the CAO has the right to weigh in on every recommendation coming to council. The CAO has not only a major policy role in terms of council, but also driving the administration and the responsiveness of your administration is also a critical aspect. In terms of uh the process, it seems to me that all members of council should have some degree of input in terms of who are you looking for. So that before actual faces and candidates show up on a recruiter's list, uh, council members should be identifying what are some of the key skill sets and attributes that you expect to see and quote the ideal candidate, so that hopefully whoever the recruiter is able to identify through headhunting and a variety of other mechanisms that uh the right person will show up as a result of a cross Canada search process. Uh in my opinion, you know, the the CAE CAO recruitment pool is uh less than it has been in previous years. Uh there's a variety of reasons for that. Um most of you read up on municipal issues and would know some of that. Uh but the recruitment pool is not large. The recruitment pool, by the way, has been expanded because uh people are now reaching into the ranks of assistant deputy ministers and deputy ministers across Canada uh is uh one example. Uh for example, the current CAO of Summerland BC is a former ADM in the Alberta government. I'm aware of that one because I had some role in it, but there are people that can fit from other levels of government. I would argue that there are people that wouldn't fit based on their style of operating. Uh municipal government very much uh hardened fast uh this is the rules of the game, this is how we operate, and it's very quick in comparison to Deputy Minister EDM roles. I think it's important that the recruiter hear from you. I think it I mean the ideal is to have 15 members of council put their hand up when the CAO is finally being introduced to council. Uh as the recommended candidate. Um, you know, nothing worse than starting your job and you've got eight in favor and seven opposed, um, because you know you're inevitably going to be making recommendations that not everybody's going to agree with. So you want to have as much buy in as possible. I think your clerk's office and solicitor's office have done a good job of broadening that to make sure of it. I think having a search committee of five is not. Overly large. Um, I remember sitting through a process with I think Eventon at one time that had all members of council uh sitting at the table. Uh I mean if you do that, you've got to have some mechanism of narrowing down how do you conduct an interview with everybody there. That becomes a lot more burdensome than you would think. So doing this process and getting to the top three candidates, I think makes a whole lot of sense based on the fact that you are the folks that are going to be identifying who those top three candidates are, at least in terms of job specs and job profiles. So I think it does give council quite a bit of input, and I would argue that that input is warranted. This is going to have a huge impact on all of you, I think, over a four year term. And hopefully you find somebody that's here for two or three terms in a row and is a high caliber individual that's respected not only by your administration, but respected by a majority of council. And I've also pointed out that it's critical this person worked well with the Office of Mayor. Um, you know, I mean, I've seen situations. I wrote the book on the mayor, and I just wrote the book on the CAO. You know, they've seen situations where this has gone sideways just on the basis of the fact that uh the mayor was out of step with the CAO, and quite frankly, it just simply doesn't work. So you're far better off having somebody that's in step with mayor and council, and that would presume that all of you have had a chance to be part of the decision making.", "segments_merged": 39 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 17569.425, "end": 17579.665, "text": "Then on the process for that decision making, what how do you feel about how Clerk Martin has proposed the search committee, the subcommittee, the size and the composition of it?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 17580.245, "end": 17656.785, "text": "Yeah, I think it makes good sense. I think having a a smaller committee, which is a committee of five, makes good sense. Uh i i i i if because holidays might interrupt that you at least have got a minimum of three at the table. Uh that to me is a good representation. Hopefully, all of these processes are guided by the input that's been sought by members of council so you know what it is you're targeting and looking for. I think that process, as uh Clerk Martin pointed out, is uh is a decent process and one that we should should be workable. What we don't know, of course, is all of the nuances involved in recruitment, and there are a lot of them. Uh all of the challenges that are involved. And let me just highlight one other thing that I haven't heard mentioned so far in the discussion, and that's confidentiality. This is a high-profile, high-level appointment that can absolutely go sideways and cause people the loss of a career that they built up over a quite a period of time. So I think whatever you go through, whatever process, uh everyone hopefully will maintain a cloak of uh confidentiality on the candidates, uh, knowing that uh the last thing anybody wants to hear at an FCM conference or Albert Immunity says, gee, your your CAO's applied for our job. Um, yeah, th some of those words should never be uttered or heard.", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 17657.665, "end": 17667.785, "text": "What leadership qualities do you think differentiate between an average city manager and a strong city manager of a large growing city like Calgary?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 17669.225, "end": 17790.925, "text": "You know, to use a biblical adage, there's uh the one about iron sharpening iron. I think that makes a lot of sense. I think you've if you've got a strong CAO that's quite determined, is uh is a quality leader, is somebody that can say yes and no and mean it, and as somebody that can advise counsel very directly, and at the same time understands that counsel is the deciding body. The mayor represents council, and so the relationship should be one of respect. Uh, there shouldn't be one of uh uh I'm I'm there to simply uh do your will. I think you've got to preface that by saying, what's the advice of? And you've got to have a CAO that's broadly based, somebody that understands good public governance, somebody that understands quality decision making, and somebody that when the going gets tough can still stand up and say, This is happening on my watch. I'm responsible, I'm the go to person, you've got any issues with my senior management, uh, you deal with me, and I'll make sure we make corrections. That to me is a good CAO. Somebody that is too easily moved to me is not what you're looking for. At the end of the day, it's council that can move. The CAO should be absolutely firmly committed to good administrative principles, that at the end of the day, they realize this is what makes good good administrative sense. The political side of it comes from you. What's the best choice on the residents of Calgary? That's enough for the CAO to decide that's yours. And I would argue that that's the CO waits until there's a final decision by counsel, and then that person acts. And uh hopefully that's the kind of style that you get. As somebody that is firm, somebody that's determined, somebody that's committed to public service, somebody that understands the no notion of public participation, all of that, but at the end of the day is highly respectful of counsel. That when counsel says jump, the question is how high. So you're you've got somebody that can move with counsel. And of course, the challenge is council has changed from term to term quite dramatically at times. And you've got to have somebody that is still there because they're solid administratively. It's they're highly respected administratively. They aren't part of the political composition.", "segments_merged": 16 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 17791.565, "end": 17795.225, "text": "How long do you think it should take a new city manager to be fully effective in the role?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 17796.325, "end": 17886.125, "text": "Uh that's another good question. I would say probably, you know, they're very quick at getting up and running. I would think you can start to see effectiveness in the first three months. I would say probably six months before you know, you say to yourself, yeah, that's our city manager, that's our CAO, that's the person that we chose, and we're delighted to be introducing that person to the Chamber of Commerce or who else, uh, because you're confident that they've got their act together. This is a major corporation. Uh, you don't learn it overnight, you don't understand the nuances overnight. It differs from every organization across Canada, it differs from every public sector organization. I've worked for a lot of those. Uh I mean a major difference is w one word and it's called politics. Uh you can have a good CAO of a or CEO of a Crown Corporation that would find this uh amazingly different, and yet they've run the Alberta Gaming and Liquor Commission or whoever, and they're now dealing with a council that is composed of people that come at it with a very set particular uh political perspective that they may never have heard before, and they're now having to deal with that. So, CAO that understands public governance, can you bring somebody from the private sector? The answer is yes. It's more of a challenge. I've just been through this with uh Wood Buffalo formed a call at Fort McMurray, where they hired somebody out of the private sector. They had me spend time with that person, in fact, a whole day with that individual and their mayor, talking to the two of them about what this means coming into the public sector, out of the private sector. It's a transition. It's not impossible, but it's a transition.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 17887.985, "end": 17901.905, "text": "And your point about confidentiality is well taken. That said, how do you think you would approach providing regular updates given that this is a very high profile individual for both stakeholders in the public, but also city staff as well?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 17902.765, "end": 17965.365, "text": "Yeah, I would uh I'm very respectful city staff. You might have one or two senior level candidates that want to apply, they should be given the same equal consideration as an external candidate. They should go through the same processes. Uh I think in terms of confidentiality, I would update council regularly so you're all on the same page with this decision. You know how it's being progressed, and I would restrain uh access to the names of candidates until you're prepared to present them along with their background. So whatever the process is with your recruiter, uh I would leave it to that person to recommend forward the name and the background and so on, so that you can see that yes, that matches up with what we're looking for. Is that person likely to meet all of your criteria? I'm not sure because I don't know the different criteria around this table. Uh and it's bound to be fairly varied, I would think. Uh, you're still gonna have to zero in on what's absolutely critical game breakers as opposed to nice to have and so on. And then talk and then and then r restrain your comment until the very end when you know you've got your first class, hopefully, CAO.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 17966.525, "end": 17971.325, "text": "Thank you, sir. So so appreciate you being here. We'll move through the queue to Councillor Johnston, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 17973.085, "end": 17975.245, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Cuff. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 17975.545, "end": 17983.885, "text": "You mentioned a couple times. Oh, actually, sorry. Have you been involved in um helping any City of Calgary CEOs in the past get hired?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 17985.105, "end": 17986.525, "text": "Uh the answer to that is no.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 17986.565, "end": 17987.005, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 17988.425, "end": 17995.345, "text": "Have I met any of them? The answer would be yes. Am I involved with any of them? No, including the incumbent.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 17995.625, "end": 18019.705, "text": "Okay. You mentioned uh and actually a couple other uh people here have mentioned that it's important this decision is made by entire council, right? And we had an opportunity at the start of uh well just based on how our executive committee has been delegated the role of CEO, reviews, hiring, and and a lot of the due diligence regarding that. Um", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 18020.205, "end": 18039.105, "text": "Would you think it would be fair that we were to pick the recruitment of the four members from the entire group, or should we have it down to a select few of the seven that are on the committee? And how common is that to only be able to pick from half of the council that would be on that committee?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 18040.785, "end": 18094.865, "text": "You know, I would probably preface my answer by saying that there are a number of issues on any council's term that all of you would like to be equally involved in. Uh whatever processes you've established, uh your executive committee is certainly a process that can be well utilized. And if the people on it are respected, then you say, yeah, it makes sense that out of those seven members we pick four who are going to be involved in the recruitment. You know, if you've got confidence in your colleagues, they all started off on the same basis, they're all trying to get to the same answer with regard to quality service for the city of Calgary. Uh I think you there there has to be some degree of tr common mutual trust involved. Uh would they vote the same way you would on a particular candidate? I'm not sure, but at the end of the day you're trying to find out who are the top three quality candidates that all of us are going to interview. So I I would be trusting that we're going to get to the top three candidates at the end of the day, then we'll interview and then we'll decide as a council.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 18095.685, "end": 18117.085, "text": "Right, and such a high-level decision. I mean, we all went through election process. We're all hired by the people. And something this large, I feel it should be opened up to all council members to have that opportunity to represent the people that hired us. Um and I just feel narrowing it down really eliminates part of that city's uh voice in this.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 18117.905, "end": 18163.905, "text": "Yeah, it becomes one of sort of what makes good sense in terms of decision making. And a committee of 15 is typically not a recognized model for uh quality decision making on a significant one item issue. It is in terms of making the final decision, in terms of the process to get you there. I would argue that the process is better handled by a smaller group. Your s your subcommittee of four would make uh or five would make quality sense with the mayor present. Um it's a matter of trust at the end of the day. You're trying to get in your case, trying to get fifteen people through five voices to recommend three quality candidates that all of us will have. our input into. So no one person's got the leg up compared to anybody else in terms of the final decision making.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 18164.005, "end": 18165.585, "text": "No, sorry, the the the", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 18165.925, "end": 18171.005, "text": "four members of this committee will be selected from seven people, not from 15.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 18171.005, "end": 18179.645, "text": "Yeah. No, I understand that, but you've chosen the seven uh as your executive committee. Out of that seven, four are chosen to be a part of this particular process.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 18179.645, "end": 18185.285, "text": "So you should you think we should keep it at the seven members that are selected.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 18185.445, "end": 18225.965, "text": "Well, I would recommend that the five members of four plus the mayor would make good sense as your subcommittee. The seven members of your executive committee are chosen by council. Um they would have next crack at the recommendations as s as they forward it to the all of members of council. I think the process, Councillor Actually makes pretty good sense. You're gonna end up with some vr good quality candidates. Uh there's not a whole truckload of those across Canada, but there are good quality people. You'll end up seeing some people that might surprise you. On the other hand, um at the end of the day, y I have no question in my mind that all three people that you see as a as a full council would be quality people.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 18226.645, "end": 18228.625, "text": "Okay, I appreciate your expertise. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 18232.165, "end": 18239.705, "text": "All right, so anybody else on this? Okay. Seeing none, uh sir, Councillor Kelly. Yeah. Did you want to move the item?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 18240.345, "end": 18243.685, "text": "I would jump in for a question for Councillor or for Mr. Cuff, actually, if you don't", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 18243.685, "end": 18244.185, "text": "Yeah, go ahead.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 18244.785, "end": 18258.325, "text": "know. It's great to see you again. Thank you for so much. I I I've said this a few times to different members of council, but there's one piece of advice that you gave us during the orientation that sticks with me still to this day, and I think about it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 18258.465, "end": 18278.385, "text": "I think just about every week. So I I appreciate you sharing your your uh expertise here with us uh today. Um uh sort of building on a question that Councillor Johnston uh led with there. Um I'm curious how many CAO searches you've been part of, either as a candidate or as a uh on a selection committee or something like that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 18280.425, "end": 18383.965, "text": "Yeah, that's a good question. I've been involved in directly guiding at minimum 30. I've been involved in a whole bunch of others. I get called regularly by recruitment firms who run names by me as a third party to say, George G., what do you know about these people on my recommended short list? I'm going to council next week. Is there any reason why I shouldn't take one? So they're never asking me to endorse a particular candidate, which I would never do, by the way. And I never have as a recruitment firm. I never, in my first 20 years of consulting, I never recommended a single candidate. I always said to council, this is your marriage, not mine. You decide who's the right partner. Um, so I I've been involved in advising a whole number of other councils beside the ones that were direct clients of mine. And it doesn't surprise it it always amazes me the the breadth of Canada and the number of people that call and say, Who do you know? ranging from Halifax to Victoria. And I've had a hand, albeit behind the scenes in many cases, in a number of those. So um have they followed my advice? Not necessarily. Some have because they appreciate the fact that I've been involved in disasters where counsel and management have absolutely gone sideways. I prefer that doesn't happen, but sometimes it does. And so they want to know what do we do to stay out of the glue. And that's often the question is around process and around caliber of candidate and around the relationship between mayor, counselors, candidate. All of that is a really careful balance. Otherwise, you go sideways with the CAO and the process is messy. So I've been involved in a number of them. I've referenced some of that in my latest book, and I've continued to get called as recently as within the last three or four days by a recruitment firm doing a recruitment uh here in Alberta.", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 18385.045, "end": 18389.305, "text": "I I appreciate you being here with us today to to share your your uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 18389.885, "end": 18428.625, "text": "Your expertise, uh your experience. Um I recognize the fact that I mean uh the mayor asked a lot of really good questions over the future, but I recognize the fact that uh I don't know what I don't know yet. Uh if we if we take a look around uh around the council table, uh we don't have a huge amount of experience as counselors around this particular horseshoe uh um uh grand total when we when we add when we add it up. Uh almost certainly we're gonna end up with the majority of this committee with uh uh with some relatively new uh um council members on there. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 18429.445, "end": 18436.925, "text": "Have you experienced that before and in a selection committee? And uh uh what would be your advice to a group like that?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 18437.985, "end": 18561.045, "text": "You know, I think the beauty that you have, right regardless of whether you're brand like I would argue that every council is new. And I would argue all you need is to have one new member of council, you've got a brand new set of relationships that to develop. And so you've got a whole set of new relationships to develop. You've got people that have been around for a while that were of may have gone through one or two orientations. I've I've dealt with councils where the person has gone through six orientations, so six terms, and are still there to learn. I've had that conversation. I think if you've got people at this table that are all duly elected, you r you respect that fact, respect that they come out of different perspectives when they come to a council table, but you're all striving to find who's the best person to lead us administratively. This person's gonna make us all look good. This person's gonna provide good quality administrative advice. And I said to counsels before, and I may have said it in the orientation, a a good CAO which probably has their recommendations approved seven times out of ten. Uh, you know, we we pay baseball players that bat 350, we pay them millions of dollars, which is a bit more than you're paying your CAO. Uh, and they get a 350. Th the CAOs are good at seven times out of ten. There's a 700 batting average. Are they wrong the next three times out of ten? The answer is no. They've given you good administrative advice. It's simply that politically you've gone a different direction. And if you've got the right CAO, they understand that. They understand that politically you can make a choice that they don't necessarily agree with, but that their job the next day is to make it work, to get at it. They know that they're not going to change their administrative advice to you. You've decided to bypass that and go with the political decision. CAO's job is to get on with it. And that a good CAO will do that for you. So you're looking for somebody that has But fairly thick skin. The ability to provide advice, stand behind the advice, guide the administration, and the day after a council meeting is to say, our advice was not accepted, let's move on with the decision.", "segments_merged": 13 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 18561.585, "end": 18599.765, "text": "Thank you. I appreciate that. I think the mayor earlier asked about some excellent questions in terms of CAO selection. For me, right now, I'm a little bit more focused on making sure that uh uh um council is fully supported in making the decision. Because I recognize the fact that as as lovely as our as our administrative colleagues are, um it's not necessarily appropriate for them to play some roles within within this committee. Can you maybe just speak to what what do you see in terms of uh obviously a recruitment firm, but what do you what do you see in terms of some of the other roles, some of the other support that uh that you would recommend to uh uh a selection committee?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 18600.665, "end": 18639.225, "text": "Probably my values that have been around the park, as you can tell a few days, and so I've seen what works and what doesn't work. I can talk to your colleagues on council with regard to good process, with regard to you need to watch out for the following landmines that are involved in this process. Advice to your recruitment firm, regardless of how experienced, uh, I would be prepared to give them some advice in terms of the process. My advice largely is going to go through your subcommittee. They'll decide and direct whether or not that makes sense to them. I think I add some value, but quite frankly, at the end of the day, if you or your subcommittee aren't sure of that, don't think so, then I'm fine. Thank you very much. Uh we'll move on.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 18639.945, "end": 18645.965, "text": "Uh but you'd be willing to play that role if we were looking for some ongoing advice. You we could we could call you up any time, sort of thing.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 18646.045, "end": 18647.445, "text": "Yes. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 18647.725, "end": 18649.705, "text": "Thank you very much. I think those are my questions, your worship.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 18650.125, "end": 18654.265, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Schmidt, please. Perhaps for.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 18654.265, "end": 18708.585, "text": "For Clerk Martin, just to for clarity around sort of the ability of the subcommittee to If they so choose, include all members of council and say, for example, 7 sub B, create a chief administrative officer job profile with input sought from each member, with members being defined as part of the subcommittee. If that committee so chooses, with the all the confidentiality in place. Would they have the ability to ask for input from all members of council about the job description just so that any concerns around their ability to be as inclusive as they like is still there despite the wording of the bylaw?", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 18711.285, "end": 18755.285, "text": "I think yes, so the the idea is that at any stage of the process, all members of council will have an opportunity to be included and to participate. Looking at the bylaw now. I think members should not be highlighted. It should not be in italics, right? Because that wasn't the intent. So I think that's just the drafting error that you might have picked up. Because the intent was that any member of council has an opportunity and has a voice to be able to contribute, whether that is being present at the committee and offering their opinion through the discussions, or whether that is submitting their questions or their suggestions outside of that process.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 18755.405, "end": 18778.945, "text": "Okay, perfect. That's um I think that that's a great way to do this, and I would just uh hope and expect that the members of the subcommittee would be open to doing so to just allow the the process to include all of us should we all choose to make that input. But uh I appreciate that answer. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 18779.985, "end": 18781.785, "text": "Thank you. Uh Deputy Mayor Shabot, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 18785.165, "end": 18786.785, "text": "Mr. Cuff, uh, thanks for being here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 18788.285, "end": 18788.585, "text": "Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 18789.145, "end": 18831.145, "text": "I think based on what I heard you say in regard to um moving forward with setting the parameters around the type of person that we're looking for, that's where you think would be the the greatest potential for members of council to get engaged in the process would be in determining the terms of reference, i.e., what kind of person are we looking for to lead our city. Um it's and I'm trying to I'm trying to rationalize how to move forward beyond that when it comes down to the interview process because to your point I think having 15 members of council present during the interview process could be rather challenging to manage.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 18833.745, "end": 18929.825, "text": "Yeah, I think just to at least in part respond, uh it seems to me that members of councils, the first great opportunity for impacting this process and impacting who you eventually decide to hire as your CAO is when you review the, when the committee gets to you the position profile, which exists now and should be updated, at least signed off as a 2026 and beyond position description. And then, secondly, a personal profile that says here's the kind of person we're looking for to fill these roles. And so I think council has those two involvements right out of the get right out of the gate. in terms of trying to describe if the recruitment firm wants to look at themselves and say, did we do a good job, which every recruitment firm does, uh they would be able to say, this is the specs we were given as provided by our client. And our client is the city council as represented by your subcommittee. So they would want to make sure that they've heard from you that time. And then when you get to the end of the day, your question is, does the current recommended candidate live up to the key components of what we were looking for, or did we have to waive certain components based on having got this particular person versus that? That becomes then council's question to themselves is did we find the right person? And your your descriptors can vary right around the park. I mean, you can have somebody that's uh a very liberal minded member of council, you can have somebody very conservative minded member of council and everything in between, and you're trying to say and describe what would be the best person that would serve our community. So I think that's your initial point of contact.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 18930.265, "end": 18945.465, "text": "And um having gone through this process uh with uh recruiting of uh individuals in the past, um some of the things that we also established in uh in advance of doing interviews is um a series of questions that that we would then be asking.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 18945.465, "end": 18945.805, "text": "Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 18945.805, "end": 18972.105, "text": "And then establishing those sort of questions might best be dealt with by the group as a whole, but not necessarily be included in the in the actual action asking of those questions. I I just think it would be challenging to try and manage that many people, especially if somebody asks a question and didn't actually somebody else didn't actually listen to the answer and then subsequently asks the same question over again.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 18972.145, "end": 18972.565, "text": "Yep.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 18972.645, "end": 18973.545, "text": "Just see", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 18973.545, "end": 19027.945, "text": "Yeah. I I think the value of that is that i if I remember a council and I have one particular key issue that I want to make sure gets across to my committee, I'd make sure I frame that as a what I call a good governance question, which means that's somewhat open ended. It allows for a whole variety of answers, but you're trying to get at the core of the meaning of it. If you're good at writing out a question, you can guide a whole lot of discussion. And I think uh that's where Councillor can weigh in initially and say, these are the kind of questions that I want I would like to see added onto your list. Uh, you know, you don't want sort of a way off in the left field, uh, one question from one Councillor that nobody else thinks is a valid response or valid question. On the other hand, you can maybe amalgamate those into the whole series of questions. No firm is going to want to leave good questions off on the table. They want to ask what are the top ten questions that this candidate is expected to answer? And they want to make those relatively difficult, to be quite candid.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 19028.165, "end": 19037.245, "text": "Yeah and uh to be honest, um uh what I've experienced in the past is sometimes you ask a question and you get an answer, but it's not what what", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 19037.245, "end": 19037.445, "text": "Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 19037.445, "end": 19051.245, "text": "really relative to what you asked. And sometimes it may be satisfactory to the person asking the question, but one of the other panel members might go, you know what, I appreciate the response that you gave, but but I was hoping to hear more about this.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 19051.245, "end": 19051.645, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 19051.645, "end": 19072.365, "text": "And so it's not really Asking the same question twice, but it trying to manage that amongst 15 members of council is where I'd be challenged, which is why I'm asking the question around the you know, from a governance perspective, the best path forward to maximize on council's input as well as um finding efficiencies in the process.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 19072.905, "end": 19113.445, "text": "And I would defer some of that to your recruitment firm who presumably will have quite a bit of relevant experience going through that process. In terms of the chair of the committee, I think the chair of the committee is going to be on top of this from the first page onward and is going to be looking at their members, their colleagues in council to say what kinds of questions would my colleagues want to see asked. You know, you're not defining the answer, you're trying to make sure that we've covered all of you. And a and a good panel will have done that. They'll have said, We wanna make sure that all of our c council colleagues can buy into this process so that you're not complaining at the end of the day that your voice wasn't heard. So to me a a g a good panel will have picked up on that and will have asked those kinds of questions.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 19114.145, "end": 19117.245, "text": "Excellent. Thank you for your answers. No further questions for me.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19118.805, "end": 19130.165, "text": "All right, colleagues. Uh, I believe we've exhausted the queue. Can I have a mover and seconder for the item? Moved by Councillor Kelly. Seconded by uh Deputy Mayor Shabot. All right, to introduce the item. Councillor.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 19132.425, "end": 19138.045, "text": "Yeah, wasn't prepared for that, but uh I think it's fair. I think that we as uh members of council have been uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 19139.265, "end": 19221.005, "text": "sort of aware that we've been heading in this direction here for uh uh a little bit of time. And so um as as mentioned by uh both our presenter and and the mayor, this is probably the most important decision that we're going to make. Uh and so I am very thankful to uh Clerk Martin for putting together a bylaw here for us to be able to debate today and a good process that fits within the larger structure that we um uh that we've established from our from our governance. Um I mean, maybe I don't know if it's debate, but uh as I said earlier, I I I think it's important that no matter What the bylaw says, no matter who our members of this committee are, that we uh uh make sure that all members of council have a voice in this process, because as Mr. Cuff said, uh uh this will be the most important decision we make. And at the end of the day, we want to get to a point where there's uh ideally 15 hands that go up on uh at the end there. So uh that's the end of the process. We're right now here today at the beginning of the process, and so um I'm very happy to move this because I think this bylaw is uh uh helps us uh uh set us up sets us up very well to be able to have a a a good, expedient, uh thoughtful process in the selection of our next CAO.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19221.885, "end": 19244.205, "text": "Thank you for introducing that. I'm gonna go to Councillor Ward. I believe to satisfy the intent of allowing the alternates on the executive committee to be eligible to serve. Um Mr. Clerk, I believe that we would need an amendment to this recommendation and then a correspondent corresponding amending uh amendment to the bylaw after first reading, right? So two amendments?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19244.285, "end": 19250.165, "text": "That's correct. That's correct, Mayor. In order to uh impact the composition of the committee.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19250.305, "end": 19260.945, "text": "Okay. So let's go to uh Councillor ward and then I believe it's just the insertion of and alternate following the words appoint for members of the executive committee. Is that correct?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19261.105, "end": 19274.125, "text": "Mayor Farkas, yes, correct, but we just for the purposes of aligning the language in the amendment with the language in the bylaw, we recommend alternative members of the executive committee rather than or alternates, just to be more specific.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19274.305, "end": 19280.045, "text": "Good. I'm just gonna go to Councillor ward here and then uh we'll workshop this and make sure it's uh satisfactory for him.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 11 Rob Ward", "start": 19280.685, "end": 19292.505, "text": "Yes, just to yeah, well obviously we have to make two changes to both the bylaw and to the mo motion itself. So this would be starting with the bylaw, I believe. Is that correct, clerks? Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19293.265, "end": 19295.005, "text": "Um excuse me.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 11 Rob Ward", "start": 19295.005, "end": 19295.865, "text": "No, this is the recommendation.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19295.865, "end": 19298.125, "text": "Starting with the recommendations for the report, yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 11 Rob Ward", "start": 19298.505, "end": 19308.465, "text": "Yeah, so simply just adding um members of executive committee as well as alternates. That is all that is needed. And that's all?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19309.665, "end": 19342.785, "text": "Yeah, so colleagues, you you can just see on the screen it reads now appoint four members of the executive committee or alternative members of the executive committee to serve on the CAO recruitment and appointment subcommittee. All right, so that's my move by Councillor Ward. Um second by Councillor or Deputy Mayor Chabot. Any further debate or discussion on this? No, I thanks for bringing this forward, Councillor Ward. I think it makes a lot of sense. Okay. Any further debate? Over to you to close. Yep. Close. Let's engage the e vote on that, please, uh, Mr. Clerk.", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19355.905, "end": 19360.025, "text": "Councillor Yule, your vote, please. Thank you. And Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19360.125, "end": 19360.445, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19360.725, "end": 19370.985, "text": "Thank you. Sorry, Mayor. All the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19371.285, "end": 19380.085, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried. Uh 14 to 1 with Councillor Kelly opposed.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 19380.085, "end": 19390.425, "text": "Can I can I recast my ballot? I apologize. I that was a complete error on my part. I'm so sorry. I I fully I fully meant to vote in favor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19390.425, "end": 19403.445, "text": "So uh colleagues, uh it would not change the outcome of the vote. So can I have unanimous consent to allow Councillor Kelly to change his vote? Okay. Hearing none opposed, uh Councillor Kelly, you have changed your vote to be in favor.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 19403.645, "end": 19405.605, "text": "Yes, and thank you, and I'm so sorry.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19407.505, "end": 19507.605, "text": "It's been a long meeting, I think. All right. Uh any further debate on this as amended? Uh I will just jump in. I want to say uh thank you, Madam Clerk, for for your incredible support through this and And again, just thank you for far beyond what is in front of us today. I know you've been of great support to the executive committee as we've uh uh stick the landing on uh our CO transition. I really appreciate the work that you've put into that uh personally. It's been some very long meetings and uh even on the fly, capturing the intent of executive committee. I know it's been challenging uh behind the scenes. Uh thank you, uh uh Mr. Cuff as well for being available uh to be able to support us through this journey and I think uh leaning on your wisdom, I think will allow us to avoid some of the mistakes and pitfalls that uh previous councils have uh been through. And I was reminded of what uh Deputy Mayor Chabot told me, uh I believe that it was attributed to Councillor Damong, where he said there's no new questions, only new counselors. So the fact that we can benefit from from your many many decades of experience, definitely appreciative. Uh Vice Chair Kelly as well. Councillor Kelly, thanks for your support on executive committee and the work that you've done uh to be able to get us to to this point. And Just appreciate your assistance behind the scenes to help uh paper all these uh materials. So with that, uh I'm gonna go back to you, Councillor Kelly, to close on this. And and again, just to repeat, uh if this were to pass and we're to go to the readings, I'll give one reading only to the proposed bylaw. Then I'll be going back to Ward, Councillor Ward, to uh ensure that the amendment to the uh uh bylaw is made, matching the intent for the alternates. So back to you, uh Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 22 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 19508.205, "end": 19518.325, "text": "Uh again, thank you, members of Councillor, for allowing me there to to switch that. Uh nope, uh, this is great. Thank you so much. It was a lot of work to be able to get us here today. Uh happy to move it on to the next step. Closed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 19520.405, "end": 19523.065, "text": "Okay, madam clerk, let's uh or rather Mr. Clerk.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19523.285, "end": 19524.805, "text": "Let's say let's engage the e-vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19537.245, "end": 19552.605, "text": "Thank you. Mayor, uh, for the purpose of um getting the bylaw in place prior to the appointments of members, uh, we recommend that uh recommendation number one be called first uh and then the", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19552.605, "end": 19555.145, "text": "Yeah, it makes sense. Let's amend the the bylaw first. If uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19555.145, "end": 19556.265, "text": "just divide the", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19556.845, "end": 19567.085, "text": "I don't think it'll be an issue, but in the event that perhaps the bylaw was not amended, we want to make sure it's congruent with the appointment direction. Okay. Okay, so let's uh call one separately and we'll do we'll dispense with one first.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19567.485, "end": 19587.505, "text": "it'll just take us a moment to prepare that. Oh there we go. It's on. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19587.645, "end": 19587.985, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19588.245, "end": 19589.285, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. Although it's a", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19590.305, "end": 19620.085, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the uh motion has carried 14 to 1 with Councillor Johnston opposed. Actually. Oh my gosh. Uh Mr. Clerk, would you mind bailing me out and just uh reading to me the exact name of the bylaw? I know it's in my", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19620.265, "end": 19624.325, "text": "it's it's uh by proposed by Lon 19M 2026.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19624.745, "end": 19625.845, "text": "could you repeat that one more time?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19626.125, "end": 19630.065, "text": "Sure, it's bylaw 19M 2026.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19634.445, "end": 19650.305, "text": "All right. First reading of bylaw 19M 2026. Are we agreed? Any opposed? Councillor Johnston is opposed, and that is carried. I will go now to you, Councillor Ward, for a uh amendment on bylaw 19M 2026.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 11 Rob Ward", "start": 19650.725, "end": 19659.805, "text": "Yeah, so very simply this just matches up the bylaw amendment that we just made into the main motion to include the alternate members of executive committee.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 19660.245, "end": 19663.965, "text": "To be selected for this subcommittee, and that's all just to align everything.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19664.465, "end": 19668.985, "text": "Okay, that's been second by uh Deputy Mayor Chabot. Um on this any debate?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 19669.685, "end": 19670.465, "text": "Just quickly, uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19670.465, "end": 19670.965, "text": "Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 19671.365, "end": 19675.545, "text": "we didn't actually vote on items two and three, which was making this change.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19676.805, "end": 19685.565, "text": "So uh the the two and three is simply to to make the appointment. Uh this uh this uh bylaw is just to establish the the the committee. So", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 19685.565, "end": 19686.705, "text": "Got it. Thank you very much.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19686.705, "end": 19714.865, "text": "we're we're we're establishing the committee, then we'll be filling the committee. Okay. Anyone else on this? All right. Uh I will go to you to close on the amendment, uh Council Work. Closed. All right. Uh I was seconded by Deputy Mayor Chabot. All right, uh on that, let's engage the e vote on the amendment to bylaw 19M 2026.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19724.245, "end": 19725.305, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19725.785, "end": 19726.145, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19726.785, "end": 19727.785, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. All the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19728.505, "end": 19742.145, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. All right. Second reading. Sorry, Mr. Clerk.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19742.205, "end": 19758.465, "text": "Yeah, Mayor, we can proceed with the second and third readings of the bylaw at this time. Um my recommendation would be that this item be postponed to the call of the chair for us to be able to print the corrected bylaw and so that it can be signed prior to the appointments of the members of council to the committee.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19758.725, "end": 19761.445, "text": "So is your preference for us to postpone right now?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19761.545, "end": 19778.525, "text": "No, proceed with second third reading and then after uh and authorization for third reading of course. Uh and then after that postpone the item to the call of the chair and we'll prepare get the bylaw printed with the amendments incorporated into it. Sign off and then when it the bylaw will be in place prior to the appointment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19778.805, "end": 19785.385, "text": "Okay. Sounds good. Yeah, we'll do that. Second reading of bylaw 19M. Sorry, uh Councillor Johnson?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 19785.385, "end": 19787.805, "text": "Are you able to repeat what he said? I just couldn't hear it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19787.965, "end": 19822.685, "text": "Okay. So uh we what we'll do is we're going to conclude the second third and second reading, the authorization for the third reading and the third reading of bylaw as amended. And then following uh that we need to postpone this item in order to allow a new version of the bylaw to be printed and uh executed in force. Uh when the bylaws are passed, I have to sign them. So we can't actually do an appointment prior to the bylaw being enforced. So there's just a slight administrative hiccup here where we need the opportunity to print it, me to sign it before we can actually go into the election of candidates to be able uh to make the appointment.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 19822.805, "end": 19823.845, "text": "And sorry, that would be today.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19824.185, "end": 19887.285, "text": "Yep. As quick as possible. Yep. Understood? Okay. All right. All right, second reading of bylaw 19M 2026 as amended. All in favor? Any opposed? Okay, seeing none, that is carried. Seeking authorization for third reading of bylaw 19M 2026 as amended. All in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that is carried unanimously. Now third reading of bylaw 19M 2026 as amended. All in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that is carried. All right, so we've uh given third reading to bylaw 19M 2026. We need a few moments here to to get that printed. And once it's printed, I will sign the bylaw. Then we have the ability to actually make the appointments to it, but we don't until it's printed and signed. Given that, uh uh Mr. Clerk, we probably need a motion to postpone this to the call of the chair.", "segments_merged": 15 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19887.905, "end": 19892.765, "text": "We do, Mayor and we'll just bring that up on the screen uh moment here go. There it is on the screen.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19893.245, "end": 19925.045, "text": "Okay, could I please have a motion to postpone this item to the call of the chair? Moved by Councillor Kelly, uh seconded by uh Councillor Jameson. On that, all in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that is carried. That's been postponed, which means that we're now back on the local area plan uh notice of motion. And I believe uh if you're with us online, Councillor Daliwa, I believe that you are the last one in the queue for the local area plan uh notice of motion.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 5 Raj Dhaliwal", "start": 19926.505, "end": 19932.765, "text": "Thanks, Mair. I'll um I'll rescind that. I have some answers uh from yet since yesterday. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 19933.205, "end": 19975.265, "text": "Okay. Uh I will jump in then. I think it's I it's a bit jogging for us to to jump between the bunch of different conversations. I believe that. Where we left off was a line of inquiry from uh uh Deputy Mayor Chabot about what the potential budgetary impacts may be. I know that there was uh uh email as well, very helpful, distributed by Councillor Kelly on the break. Perhaps if uh Jim Hamilton, if you'll mind just uh repeating or restating where we were at last night on again, it's not just the budgetary ask here, but if we are to undertake uh a sophisticated process, there's timeline constraints and there's significant costs associated. So If you don't mind maybe just repeating uh a version of the answer that uh uh Deputy Marchobo asked.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 19976.085, "end": 20006.225, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. So the the direction in the notice of motion is to create three is to undertake three new local area plans, which means three new local area plan teams. And so on an annual basis, that cost would be a total of four million dollars, three million in tax annually, and so there would need to be an ask in November's budget for three million in our base, and then the other million is going to come from PDS fees, planning and development services fee revenue.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20006.605, "end": 20011.405, "text": "Okay. All right, I might come back, but I'm gonna go to Councillor Schmidt, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 20014.625, "end": 20015.025, "text": "We're", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 20015.465, "end": 20149.945, "text": "this has been moved, so we're in debate now, right? As well. Okay, perfect. I just want to make sure. Um I I appreciate the sentiment and the purpose behind this. The one issue I have right now is that the way our public hearings have been going is that we are often voting no to LAP compliant. Uh items. So what that tells me is that there is an issue that this council is finding with how LAPs are currently functioning, and I think we need to get to the root of what that issue is before we begin relying on the use of more LAPs. So I I think, given the clarification from Councillor Kelly and from administration, that this would be simply starting the process of seeing if we want to include this in budget, is is less concerning. But that if there are some changes that happen before budget around how we approach LAPs, then I could see myself supporting the addition of these three new LAPs. But if we are not addressing those issues before the decision of budget comes, then I just don't see the purpose of approving more LAPs when they don't seem to be working in their current form, since it's really a toss-up for us whether or not we will rely on those LAPs to make our decisions. And that the purpose of them is to give clarity to the public and to the applicants that come here. And without that clarity, then it seems like we are going through an exercise of doing all this work and then deciding not to follow this work. Now, of course, many of them would be created and implemented in a time that this council might not look the same because of the amount of time they take. However, I think it's still important for us to address those fundamental issues before we spend a bunch of money doing something that it seems we don't even actually like at this point. So that's where I'm at now, and I'll leave it there.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20154.285, "end": 20155.565, "text": "Uh Councillor Johnston, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 20158.085, "end": 20159.605, "text": "Um, sorry, uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 20161.365, "end": 20184.545, "text": "GM Hamilton, you're in charge of the LAPs, right? Um are they refined at all? Like during the process or if we start a new LAP, do you guys do internal changes on them to make them more efficient, faster, um less expensive? Like, are they constantly being refined?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 20185.745, "end": 20191.505, "text": "Through the chair to Councillor Johnson, yes they are, and I'll turn it over to Director Goldstein to maybe walk you through what that looks like.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 20192.425, "end": 20271.565, "text": "Hi, Councillor Johnson. The local area plans are under the community planning portfolio under GM Hamilton's. And when we started the program in 2018, it was the pilot under North Hill. And at the time, the council directed us to come back every year and present lessons learned and changes that we were going to make for the next generation of LAPs. And so we've been doing that every year since 2018 to say, you know, we've heard community feedback that this part of the LAP is too fast as an example. And so we actually did add time to the local area plan program, the overall engagement, because community feedback said certain parts were too fast, and then other places of improvements. So the program is constantly being improved. The um around efficiencies. So the way the program works is that we use a distinct team of planners and engineers per plan, but then we use shared services like engagement, communications, legal support, creative services. So the people that actually produce the LAPs, they're shared amongst all the LAPs instead of having like a dedicated person for each one. And that's how we've been trying to find efficiencies inside the program.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 20271.825, "end": 20289.905, "text": "Right. Um, do you guys find it frustrating when we overturn LAP compliant? Like I guess I'm asking for your opinion on it, but it it does feel like it does happen a lot where we'll have a a plan set out and then comes a council and we do go against a recommendation from the LAP.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 20290.585, "end": 20339.465, "text": "So the planning department will use the plans before them to evaluate the applications. So when we come forward with either a refusal or an approval, it's not because like we just don't like it. It's literally because it's compliant or not compliant with the plan. And so when we come forward, I mean it's council's purview if they hear from the public through the public hearing that there may be other considerations and then they rule against it. But administration will always bring forward their best professional recommendation that's based off of the approved plans that are in place. And the local area plans, in theory, are the most up to date, newest plans that should represent you know the growth or the areas of growth that are happening inside communities.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 20340.445, "end": 20364.985, "text": "Councillor Johnson, if I may, I think for the public and for the the building industry or anyone who's applying for an applicate or a proposal, land use development permit, when decisions are made. By counsel or other in conflict with the approved policy, then that can be frustrating. It can create uncertainty.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 20366.125, "end": 20427.525, "text": "Right. And so I guess what I'm getting to is us fast tracking or even continuing with any LAPs. You know, we're we went from one set of counselors to a new set of counselors, which might have different visions or were hired for different reasons than maybe previous councils. And my fear is that we fast track this and then just have a bunch of these things overturned. Um and I just wonder if there's a way to defer this. To ensure that we get it right. And part of that might even be, and you guys have been doing a really good job with meeting with with council, uh, I would say one-on-one and figuring out what the needs and wants of each community and their neighborhoods. Um, but I just wonder like with that change in council and potential a little bit of ideology change and direction, that it wouldn't hurt to meet with again more community partners, including counselors, on what they want in their neighborhood to ensure that less is overturned going forward.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 20429.405, "end": 20472.905, "text": "So the community vision that's outlined in any local area plan is not authored by my planning department. It is authored by the community. And so where we engage with communities, the balance so that where places to grow versus not places to grow. That is derived by the community feedback that's happening during like during that three year engagement process. It used to be 18 months. We made it up to 22 months because we heard feedback. We've now made it up to 28 months of and additional feedback because community said, you know, 18 months was way too fast. We needed to go a little bit slower.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 20473.425, "end": 20478.105, "text": "Are you guys going to incorporate some of the KPMG survey engagement", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 20478.645, "end": 20478.985, "text": "Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 20478.985, "end": 20480.465, "text": "into how you do this?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 20480.565, "end": 20520.765, "text": "Yeah, so I took because I am so deeply invested in this, I took a really deep dive into the KPMG recommendations. And actually, inside that report, it cites the local area plans as one of the good examples of making sure that the program has accommodated changes over time to the way communities want to be engaged. So that report is not telling us how to engage, it's saying these are the things you need to produce to engage, like what you did, what we heard, making sure all of those things are transparent and on the website. And so we would, of course, continue to use those foundations as well.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 20521.125, "end": 20547.245, "text": "Okay, thank you. And I guess my biggest fear is that we rush something and make similar decisions to previous councils instead of ensuring that we get it right or as right as possible. Um and so it's it's a lot of money and it it's it's a lot um for a decision on potentially something that could be, I don't know, messy down the road, but I will reserve my thoughts until we vote. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20549.545, "end": 20566.165, "text": "Thank you, colleagues. Uh I was asked why I allowed Councillor Johnston a second opportunity uh for debate. Uh we were not, I think, at our best after 12 hours last night. Um just as a courtesy, I'm allowing a second opportunity here. It's not the norm, but if you don't like that, you can challenge me.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 20566.565, "end": 20567.885, "text": "Sorry, coin of privilege. Uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20567.885, "end": 20569.105, "text": "Yeah, Councillor Jameson? Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 20569.105, "end": 20570.365, "text": "do we not usually allow", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 20571.345, "end": 20571.765, "text": "Sorry. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 20572.325, "end": 20573.265, "text": "Jameson Johnson?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20573.325, "end": 20581.805, "text": "Nope. I made an exception to allow you a second opportunity, Councillor Johnson. And I will stand by that decision unless you want to challenge the rule of the city. No, I'm just", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 20581.805, "end": 20582.665, "text": "I'm just questioning", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20583.825, "end": 20586.165, "text": "Okay, I'm gonna go over to Councillor Jameson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 20586.165, "end": 20587.905, "text": "I just want to finish my question really quick here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20587.905, "end": 20589.065, "text": "Or sorry, go ahead, Councillor Johnson.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 20589.185, "end": 20592.505, "text": "Yeah, don't we normally allow questions of administration", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 20592.965, "end": 20594.625, "text": "before the moving and then", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20594.625, "end": 20597.665, "text": "Not the last night the item was moved and we had entered into debate.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 20597.945, "end": 20602.805, "text": "is there any way we can define questions of admin before moving it, just so there's like a", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 20603.585, "end": 20606.365, "text": "a difference so we know that it's questions of admin?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20606.965, "end": 20614.465, "text": "For sure. So um I'll I'll make that point clear and I'll make it extra clear for us going into that vote. Thank you. To make it clear that uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20615.045, "end": 20616.205, "text": "that's the case. Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 20616.205, "end": 20616.405, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20616.405, "end": 20617.765, "text": "Uh Councillor Jameson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 12 Mike Jamieson", "start": 20619.165, "end": 20626.225, "text": "Thank you. Thank you, Chair. I'm just wondering if I I did send uh city clerk an amendment to this.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 20626.605, "end": 20637.365, "text": "I have talking uh spoken to D um Councillor Kelly about this. Um I'm wondering if we can bring up the amendment. Is this is this the time for this?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20639.785, "end": 20640.465, "text": "It would be, yep.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 12 Mike Jamieson", "start": 20641.605, "end": 20652.645, "text": "Okay, so it in a nutshell, instead of sending three, uh, because I think that's where what the original time was, it it's to just focus on one. It's to um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 20653.385, "end": 20717.685, "text": "So there'll be there'll be a a a cost of things you know from the 400,000, it's it it'll be dropped to about a third of that, 133. But that's really not the the point. The point is I think a lot of us were kind of taken off guard by um even me by you know originally supporting the the concept of the LEPs, which I do, but I think that we need to dig into this um this a little bit deeper here. And uh so my amendment is really just to uh support one instead of three, and that uh it'll fertily be resolved that uh it reports back to infrastructure and planning committee no later than Q3 2026 uh with an itemized cost breakdown for completing the additional LAP plan LAP, including staff, consultant, engagement, and a technical study. Uh essentially to kind of get a little bit more granular uh what the cost is and what why it is that. Um I think I think a lot of us were sticker shocked yesterday. So that is uh what the amendment is, and uh I I'd like uh a second term.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20720.085, "end": 20728.145, "text": "Secondor, uh that's been seconded by Councillor Kelly. Now on the amendment, please. Um Councillor McClane.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 20729.685, "end": 20734.845, "text": "Yes, as far as the amendment, even the main, I really liked what Councillor Schmidt said.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 20736.105, "end": 20743.465, "text": "Very well thought out. We don't need to be doing this right now. Say no to amendments, say no to the main, let's move on. That's all.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20746.105, "end": 20749.145, "text": "Sir, just uh I misheard you. Councillor McClane, could you say", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 20749.145, "end": 20756.665, "text": "I'm a no to the amendment, and then I went then I'm just putting ahead of and I said even the main. I just don't think we should be doing any of this right now. Uh it's not", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20756.665, "end": 20758.705, "text": "that sorry to interrupt you. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 20759.205, "end": 20759.725, "text": "You're welcome.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20760.125, "end": 20764.285, "text": "Councillor uh Kelly on the debate, please. Uh uh debate on the amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 20764.945, "end": 20796.645, "text": "On the amendment, yes. Um I thank Councillor Jameson for bringing this forward. I think that uh I did I think we could audibly hear last night when a lot of council members uh uh found out what the uh what the cost would be in the 2027 budget. Uh I'm I'm happy I was happy to second this to get it on the floor. I especially like point number two. Uh I'll call for a division of this. So I I'd like to vote in favor of point number two. Points number one and three, I'll be voting, uh I'll be voting against, but I want to explain why uh in in in terms of it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20797.065, "end": 20951.405, "text": "I want to be really clear, the main motion itself is not asking for us to make a decision on allocating any new revenue to LAPs at this time. What this is, as I said in my open, was that this is a decision for budget time. The purpose of the motion is so that amend can bring us uh uh the option of doing three more local area plans at budget time. If we don't pass this motion, it will not be included on that list that we saw yesterday in our close in our closed session. At budget time, we have the option then of doing three, two, one, or none. That's the purpose of the of the of the main motion that would that we have before us uh uh here today. Hence why I won't be supporting one and three on here because I believe that that is already covered by the decision that we'll be making in uh in November. We have the option to only do one of them uh in November, should that be what we're looking for. Um maybe just because I have a a couple of minutes or another minute and a bit here, uh I'll add in a little bit here too. That we're um we heard loud and clear from the members of the public during the blanket rezoning public hearing uh that the blanket part of that was entirely unacceptable to them. We also heard from uh folks both for and against. Almost all 400 people actually said that they wanted to be consulted more. If we're not going to go the way that the previous council went, which was the cheaper option of blanket rezoning, then we have no other option available that I'm aware of but to ask them where they would like to see the development happen in their neighborhoods. The best tool we have for that is the local area plans. I as well hate that number 14 million. I think it is way too high. And if we approve the uh the uh the main motion here today, I certainly look forward to having a conversation with admin about how we can get that number lower. Uh, but that's a conversation for a different time. Right now, what's before us today is simply to give us the option to look at that in the November budget. Because of that. Three, two, one option. I'll be voting against one and three on here because I think we have that option uh at budget to do that.", "segments_merged": 15 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 20952.945, "end": 20954.385, "text": "All right, uh Councillor Wenis, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 20955.225, "end": 20958.985, "text": "Thanks. Uh I won't be supporting this or the main. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20960.965, "end": 21040.465, "text": "we've at we've had notices of motion directing planning in the past. And when we've asked planning what their capacity is, they said they're going to consultants. And then you guys get sticker shocked. Every decision we make here costs money. There is zero free. We can talk about the fair free zone if it's free, it's not. We don't get free diesel, we don't get free energy, we don't get free staffing and labor. So everything costs money. I think we need to spend a bit more time asking and learning how the processes work in this organization. Before we start going up and then suddenly going, oh no, we're going to double the ask of output for a department when we don't even like the LAPs or the community gets mad. Are we doing an LAP to just color a map? Or are we going to do LAPs and zone the where we want to see the development? These are questions the council has to answer at strategic on the Calgary plan in June. Next month. This is why we moved it there so that we didn't have these jump the gun, notices emotion, and then get sick or shock shock. Like, give me a break. So let's stop trying to fix something we know is broken on the floor of council and go talk about it in the Calvary plan. Go learn about how planning and development actually works before you actually try and uh do public relations in the media that you've solved the housing problem and this won't even solve the housing problem or the pushback you will get from your community. So no.", "segments_merged": 21 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 21042.545, "end": 21043.765, "text": "All right, Deputy Mayor Chabot, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 21046.425, "end": 21049.185, "text": "Yeah, just uh one question for admin before I", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 21050.045, "end": 21062.305, "text": "enter into a little bit of debate on this. Um the This um budgetary request, was it or wasn't it part of the list that we saw recently?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 21070.125, "end": 21073.565, "text": "You know, at this point, Councillor Chabot, do you want to make a motion to go into closed session?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 21074.165, "end": 21078.885, "text": "I don't need the number. I just need a yes or no answer if it was part of the list.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21078.885, "end": 21079.485, "text": "Yes it was.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 21080.065, "end": 21080.805, "text": "Okay, thanks.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 21081.685, "end": 21218.385, "text": "Um I'm uh I I appreciate the uh attempt here. Um I'm I'm a little reluctant to support this. Uh and I'm just gonna say something that may sound really weird, but one of my former colleagues used to say, What's the difference between a developer and an environmentalist? The difference between a developer and an environmentalist is a developer wants to build a house over there. An environmentalist has a house over there. And the reason I say that is because if you equate it to a community level and you ask folks what would they like to see as far as development within their community, and what they'll say is we think these are the places that higher density type development should occur. And you might get the majority of the community to buy in. But those people that live right next door to those places that are going to higher density development, they don't like it. So you're never gonna get everyone to like your LAP. You you're trying to uh Uh satisfy the majority and and look at increasing sustainability for a city. So you know taking our time and doing these things properly, making sure the ones that we have in place now are maybe fixed to to be more reflective of what this current council is looking for, I think would be the best step forward first before we look at at doing more, which is why I I'm I'm not supportive of moving forward with this today. And maybe in the future if we want to accelerate this this program, but the idea that somehow everybody likes LAPs, that's I have to counter that and say not necessarily true. Because most of the places where we have LAPs, some of those counselors were challenged with getting re-elected. Just saying. So whilst I appreciate that this is the path forward, the best path forward, it's not something that you should wish for. It's something that is necessary for us to move forward with as a city to be more sustainable. Absolutely. Accelerating it, I don't think is really the best way forward until we make sure that we got all the ones that we have now right. So that's why I'm gonna vote against this. No offense.", "segments_merged": 24 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 21220.925, "end": 21390.025, "text": "All right. Uh Thank you, Deputy Mayor. I will jump in. I will not be supporting this amendment. Council, it's absolutely critical that we maintain momentum and increase momentum on our LAP program, especially given the correspondence we received from the federal minister recently. Without aggressively pursuing local area plan process, working with the community, working with industry, and pairing these LAP LAPs ideally with city-initiated redesignations, we're not going to be able to get to that. For us to be able to get to the expectations of the federal government on the housing accelerator fund availability. And what I'll say is that our investment here actually has the ability to bring in more money. So I get that it's difficult to defund this. I get that it can be a challenge to be able to work uh with the community, but it's what we're elected for. We we have to continue momentum on building, and if it's not going to be blanket rezoning, it has to be through LAPs. So if it's not blanket rezoning and it's not local area plans, then it's just not housing at all. We we need to proceed on one direction. Council Calgarons told us very clearly through the blanket rezoning debates and the public hearing that they were not in favor of the blanket approach. Many of them indicated support for LAPs. I'm not going to suggest that LAPs are perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it is the best possible tool that we have to be able to get a broad enough element to buy in to be able to build the housing that's required. And and bluntly, we're not going to be able to build what is required without significantly beefing up the resources that we have to this program. So uh with with all due respect to you, colleagues, with with if it's not blanket rezoning and if it's not local area plans, then we're not going to be able to build the amount of housing that's required for us to be able to meet the need that exists today, let alone for us as a city of two million people. So I strongly urge you to maintain the investment in this, to vote no to the watering down of the program, and then voting yes to allowing the the full weight of the program because it may be millions of dollars, but it's tens of millions of dollars that we stand to lose if we do not remain competitive as a city, as well as uh uh maintain uh good standing with uh our our obligations under the the revised uh indication from the from the minister federally. And what I'll say is that. I'm not Keen to bend over backwards to stay in compliance with the the federal housing accelerator funding. It's not about the federal government, but I do believe that what's right for Calgarians can be aligned with what the feds are asking us from this point of time, given that they are seeking that uh greater than 50% portion on the uh uh four units by right. So with that, uh Councillor Ewell to weigh in on the amendment.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 21391.145, "end": 21412.445, "text": "Just some questions, Ferdinand. Whether it's one or three, like currently we have we're working on three LAPs, correct? And is that three separate teams? And so whether it's one additional team or three additional teams based on this amendment or the main. That's kind of what we're deciding on is adding additional teams.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21413.285, "end": 21413.965, "text": "Correct.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 21414.245, "end": 21414.745, "text": "And", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21414.745, "end": 21415.465, "text": "May I, though?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 21415.585, "end": 21415.925, "text": "yep.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21416.985, "end": 21448.405, "text": "It's not a one for one reduction. So you heard Director Goldstein speak about certain positions that we have efficiencies across multiple LAP teams. So that's maxed out at the three we have. So by doing three, we were able to create some efficiency efficiencies with some of the support positions. If you go down to one, we're going to still need that support, but we're now having to hire up the full FTE for that one LAP rather than using that one position for three.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 21448.665, "end": 21463.265, "text": "So you're more efficient over more L's. And just another question So whether it's the 400,000 or the 1333,000, does any of that get spent before budget?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21465.345, "end": 21491.725, "text": "So the direction in the notice of motion is to start pre-work in 2026. And Councillor Kelly has had conversations with us, and we're not going to do any hiring until we have approved budget in November. That's just not fair to anyone. There is some pre work that we could potentially do, but it will be later in the year in prepping for those hirings, et cetera. But we would not hit go until we have November budget approval.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 21492.085, "end": 21498.305, "text": "Okay. So yeah, we're not hiring anybody until council has approved those three LAPs.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21498.305, "end": 21501.585, "text": "Or act and the hirings would come in 2027 with that budget.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 21502.185, "end": 21502.905, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 21504.865, "end": 21506.505, "text": "All right, uh Councillor Atkinson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21508.885, "end": 21541.745, "text": "Uh regarding the letter from the HAF, um it it says here that council uh clearly indicated will adopt a zoning replacement that allows a minimum of four units to be built on a lot for a significant majority of lots across the city. My understanding though is that LAPs do not adopt the a zoning, they are a policy document. Is that correct? I'm just wondering whether having more LAPs would satisfy the HAF requirements outlined in the letter.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 21543.405, "end": 21562.045, "text": "You're correct. The local area plans are not upzoning. It is the policy framework that would then lead to either, as the mayor just said, citywide rezoning or city initiated rezoning or the landowners from up z to upzone their own parcels.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21562.125, "end": 21570.365, "text": "But there isn't actually a change in terms of the, yeah, it's not a zoning replacement. Yeah, by yeah. Okay, thank you. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 21573.185, "end": 21581.185, "text": "Any further debate on this? Okay. Uh over to Councillor Jameson uh to close, please, on the amendment.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 21581.425, "end": 21626.545, "text": "Okay. Well, like I said, I Originally committed, uh, but uh after kind of being blindsided by the cost, uh, it kind of caused me to rethink things because the budget's gonna be pretty important here. And uh so I thought, well, why don't we start with one? Um you know, get the itemized cost projections back to infrastructure and planning, and then make an informed decision about scaling up the budget with real numbers. And I think that's the key. The the plan for this amendment would have real numbers, how that would be scaled um more accurately for the budget, and we would have more uh information at the budget. So that's uh the amendment, and uh thanks.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 21628.465, "end": 21633.765, "text": "And uh before we call the vote, uh Councillor Kelly, was your request to have one separate and two and three?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 21634.105, "end": 21637.405, "text": "Uh no, one and three, I believe, can go together in two separate", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 21638.465, "end": 21657.445, "text": "Okay, so we'll give that a moment to get set. So we're gonna engage the evote on one and three, and that's the uh amendment that replaces the word three with one, and then the amendment that replaces the words three additional with one additional. And let's engage the e vote on that. I'm quick.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21666.845, "end": 21668.085, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 21668.925, "end": 21701.465, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion has been defeated three to twelve, with uh only councillors Yule, Jameson, and tires in support. Okay, so we're back now to the main. I'm just gonna very briefly enter into uh or sorry, oh my gosh. Jeez. It hasn't been a long it's uh hasn't even been an hour or two hours. Oh my gosh. All right, we're engaging the vote on number two and the uh it's the itemized cost breakdown and so on. So please go ahead.", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21720.265, "end": 21721.585, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 21722.385, "end": 21733.965, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried nine to six with counselors Ward, Johnston, Schmidt, Chabot, Wyness, and McLean opposed.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 21734.465, "end": 21734.745, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 21735.785, "end": 21896.345, "text": "So we are now back on the uh the motion as amended. I'll just briefly enter debate. Basically the same thing, colleagues. The LAPs on their own do not change uh zoning, but I think that uh on a go-forward basis we should be looking. Uh Deputy Mayor Chabot has made this point. Uh many members of the public have made this point where uh city-initiated redesignations could generate broader support. So it squares off, I think, some of the issues as well. Councillor Johnston had identified when you have policy and a plan in place that doesn't necessarily match the zoning in place. And in my perfect world is that we spend the the time, the energy, the effort, and and yes, the money to work with the community in good faith, build as broad a support and coalition as possible for uh redevelopment in area uh with broad public support, with infrastructure and services to support it, build out that plan, and then as quickly as possible implement the zoning to match that plan. And then I strongly believe that based on the evidence that I've seen with the LAPs in the pipe, that uh this type of process and this approach would uh allow us to remain in compliance for the the fourth tranche of the the payments. And and to be clear, we uh are free and clear for the first three that were received, but the federal government is looking for us an indication to be moving forward with some level of zoning, not a citywide level of rezoning, but some element of redevelopment that'll occur along major corridors, nodes and corridors, transit, and and so on. So to be crystal clear, I'm not looking as a city for us to bend over backwards uh for the federal government. I think it's simply the the good the best thing to do for Calgarians is to pursue the local area plan process. But if this is remaining, if this allows us to be able to get the money that is on the table from the feds regardless, I think we'd be we'd be silly enough uh to refuse to take that money. But again, uh we have to do what's right for Calgarians, and what Calgarians told us through the public hearing process was to move forward on a more community-informed approach, respecting local context, uh supporting development where services and infrastructure can support it, and that is our local area plan process. So uh with that uh I'm done my debate. Uh giant thank you to the team as well, uh, uh who've been really working hard on in PDS and others to through the the blanket rezoning repeal. Incredibly complicated and and at times very convoluted work, but the fact that they've been able to do it with uh professionalism and grace, I think we're very well served as a council by our city staff and administration who've been working very, very hard. on this uh on this file. So I'm going to Councillor, or rather Deputy Mayor Chabot for debate, please.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 21898.985, "end": 22002.785, "text": "Yeah, thank you. Um and well so I appreciate the intent around this and with the hopes that somehow it's going to allow us to secure additional half funding. Um I've spoken to this before, but maybe not in front of this group. But the challenge that I have with regards to the half funding and as it relates to any proposed increase in density that three additional LAPs could impose as far as infrastructure upgrade requirements to the city of Calgary. I'm afraid that the amount of upgrades that we'll have to put in to accommodate this increased density will be greater than the half funding that we will be receiving. And the half funding will be very prescriptive in nature, will not be able to be utilized for infrastructure upgrades. Which is why I'm kind of like keep your money. Let us continue to build our city and uh In a in a in a city of Calgary uh fashion, in a built-in Calgary um uh fashion, as we've demonstrated for the last how many years we know how to build houses. We don't need federal money to build houses. We don't need to be bribed to accommodate what it is that they want us to build and how they want us to build it. I believe a built in a made in Calgary solution is better, uh, and I'd rather not uh have that money hanging over our head. To uh to direct us on how to build our city, which is why I think uh continuing on with our process in a measured uh and strategic fashion uh is a preferred way forward uh than trying to do it in an accelerated fashion, which is why I'm gonna vote against this.", "segments_merged": 17 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22004.565, "end": 22005.865, "text": "All right, Councillor Jameson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 22014.425, "end": 22083.785, "text": "Well, okay. Um I guess I uh Well, I did co-sponsor this and uh I do believe in uh LAPs. I think residents uh want a say in how neighborshoods developed. Um however, budget is in the back of my mind, and finding out a little bit uh more of the cost i it is is very uh to me it it's it's something that it it's significant enough, I think, that we we really do need to uh think about this maybe a little bit more carefully. And um So right now I I'm not sure if I'm gonna support it at this time, even though I did co-sponsor it with the information that we have now. I was hoping to possibly get one one through, but that didn't didn't pass, and that's okay. But at least we'll get some No that's okay. No, I you know it's not my motion. You know, I just tried to do an amendment, but uh ultimately uh I I think we're gonna get some maybe some financial data back that will help us, but I I'm I might not be supporting it now at this time because of that. Thanks.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22085.365, "end": 22087.125, "text": "All right, Councillor Tyres, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 22090.005, "end": 22090.565, "text": "Oh, I think count", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22090.565, "end": 22092.385, "text": "Or sorry, Councillor Atkinson. I apologize.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 22094.825, "end": 22363.625, "text": "Um the I I worry a lot actually about the um the discussion around this uh with the HAF and the uh city-led redesignations. Um LAPs is a process were never meant to redesignate land. And I think that that is actually a promise that the city made in terms of that process and rolling out that process with those communities, is that there would still be a chance to come for those land use redesignations. It provides a path, it provides more certainty, it provides a clearer path, but ultimately that oversight still lives with the city. And uh while I recognize that there is a need right now, if we want to meet this HAF funding to have a clear plan that will indicate and adopt a zoning replacement that allows a minimum of four units to be built on a significant majority of lots across the city, this will not answer that, especially in the timeline of October 27, 2026, because as we know, LAPs take years to come together. This potentially right now is saying to the folks that have LAPs in place, who have gone through this process, who have been the earliest ones as a part of that process, that the promise made that this is a policy document that is to be followed and sort of to guide be a guiding light is no longer that and is instead a redesignation of land. And I think that that seriously jeopardizes the ability for the LAP process to be something that actually allows community and the teams that are doing that work within community to come together and come to the results that we need to come to. So I I worry that that potentially puts us down a path that could jeopardize the existing LAPs, could jeopardize the LAP process that is currently taking place in those three locations taking place right now. And uh I also think, I mean, we heard from administration that they've Massaged this process within their teams. They've done that work through uh working through LAPs of the past and have gotten better with it. And this is the idea of just landing in uh external consultants on something that is such a significant uh piece of how we develop our cities and I think also runs a risk that we potentially will not have the care, the oversight, the the touch of community and the understanding of city policies, city documents, and the overall plans, the MDP that these teams bring to bear when they are doing that LAP process. Um LAPs are important, and I absolutely recognize the desire to have LAPs as a way to To give certainty to community and to builders and to everyone about a path forward, and I I can absolutely respect that. I just worry that the conditions in which we've been presented that it this would go to external work and then some of the surrounding language around this in terms of the HAF agreement, we need to, we should be working to deliver four units by right. Absolutely. When we repealed citywide rezoning, we should be working to deliver four units by right in the city. That's we should be able to do that. That is not through LAPs, though. That is not through LAPs. That is a separate conversation, and I would be happy to support anyone in their efforts to meet that requirement. But let's do local area plans right. Let's allow the current process on the ones that are going forward to be done properly. Let's not jeopardize that with language like city led redesignations, and let's make sure we come to the end result with a proper way forward for local area plans in the process. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22367.305, "end": 22368.185, "text": "Councillor Tyres, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 22369.305, "end": 22539.765, "text": "Yes. Okay. I've heard a lot today. Um, so during the public hearing, we heard very clearly that local area plans were going to be the key to all the problems that we're facing. It was gonna be it it just felt like that that was where we wanted to go, and that is why I supported this and have seconded it because We need to make sure that these local area plans move forward in a reasonable way that includes engagement from the community, but now I'm hearing that communities don't actually like their local area plans. Which is so problematic. And when Councillor Schmidt actually brought up a really good point, which is when we're debating during our public hearings, a lot of these things are local area plan compliant and we vote against it. That's that's also problematic. And then of course the sticker shock that we all heard yesterday. I think I was probably one of the loudest ones. It was like TJ, what's going on here? Okay, so we try to, and I appreciate Councillor Jameson um bringing forward the amendment to, you know, let's let's try it with one, clearly. Nobody wants to do that. Um, and in this case, maybe it is the the case of solving the problems with the current local area plans and the actual process of it before we move forward at an accelerated rate. I When I first heard that it took like two and a half years to do three local area plans, I was like, well, let's just do it faster. Like that's of course someone with zero experience in planning and um just wanting to make my community have more of a voice. Communities like Boness, who don't have a local area plan and therefore have become, you know, just the dumping ground for all things ridiculous. And so this was I I appreciate the work that Councillor Kelly did in um bringing this forward, but at this time I I can't I can't support it, unfortunately. What I could suggest though is dividing the vote or like dividing the items so maybe we could still report back with an itemized cost breakdown if that is um how we'd like to proceed. And um I apologize to my colleague. I know that uh we really wanted um to move this forward. I I could see our intentions, but uh as we're listening more, it does seem like maybe maybe we need to do um some work first. So uh I I suppose that's my uh that's my opinion on this. Thanks.", "segments_merged": 13 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22541.325, "end": 22550.465, "text": "So based on that, we'll call one and three and then two. Uh seeing no other Q in the queue, uh over to Councillor Kelly to close.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 22553.985, "end": 22744.445, "text": "five minutes to summarize what was 18 hours ago. I think we started this. Uh two two rounds of debate for most members. So I'll try to get that done in five minutes to be able to address some some of the points that uh uh that we had here. Um yeah, uh first and foremost foremost, I I I appreciate the sticker shock. I agree with everybody who heard $14 million and what that is way too much money. Fully agree. That is, to me, uh uh uh too much money to to to do this. But I again, as Councillor Tyler said, I'm I'm not the expert in this. If this is approved, I would very much like to work with the men to be able to find out ways that we can do this uh it in in a in a uh a cheaper way. But I need to be incredibly clear to everyone around the table here today. We are not, I repeat, double underline, not approving $14 million today. What we are doing if we approve this is giving ourselves the option to approve $14 million or less at budget time. We've heard from the blanket rezoning public hearing throughout the entire uh throughout the entire public hearing that people want to have more of a say. They had a massive problem both for and against the blanket rezoning in terms of the amount of uh uh say that they got to have in the process. This local area plan process is what gives them the opportunity to have that say. It's absolutely true that engaging Calgarians in a discussion about how their neighborhood changes or grows is more expensive. The previous council tried to avoid that cost by blanket rezoning the entire city. And we can see how upset people were about that. So, the choice is ours as a council. Do we blanket rezone again? Do we work or do we work with our neighbors to figure out where to grow? Or do we leave things just as they are? Personally, I think the middle option that I'm proposing through this notice of motion is the most palatable of the three, and in the end, is actually the least expensive. So maybe by way of an example, I'll offer here that uh ward 4, my my ward, has about 25,000 less people living in it than it did at the peak population of our neighborhoods. This stands in contrast to the inner city neighbors which have redeveloped to current population peaks, and our suburban neighborhoods, which have been designed to be much denser than what we used to build. I would take two, it would take two LAPs to have a relatively full plan for all of Ward 4 redevelopment. And that would cost approximately, as we heard today, about $9.6 million. That is far less expensive than the $100, $200, or $300 million of dollars it would require to build a new neighborhood to accommodate 25,000 people.", "segments_merged": 24 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22744.565, "end": 22747.605, "text": "And you're just at time, perhaps a final sentence to conclude your thoughts.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 22748.265, "end": 22763.805, "text": "Perhaps I'll say that in the easiest way the easiest way is this is about giving us the opportunity at budget time to find a cost-effective way in order to be able to accommodate growth within the city in appropriate ways with the input of our neighbors. Thank you, Rush. I appreciate that.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22764.025, "end": 22782.925, "text": "Thank you, uh Councillor Kelly. So based on the request for division, uh Madam Clerk, let's go with the first and second uh third first and third bullet. And those are up on the screen there. Uh we'll engage the e vote on the first and third bullet as indicated up on the screen.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 22798.245, "end": 22799.705, "text": "Councillor Tyres, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 22801.605, "end": 22801.925, "text": "No.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 22802.705, "end": 22804.465, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Kelly, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22805.565, "end": 22806.005, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 22807.925, "end": 22809.305, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22809.665, "end": 22832.865, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion has been defeated 5 to 10, uh, with counselors Ward, Johnston, Schmidt, Atkinson, Yule, Jameson, Tyre, Shabot, Wyness, and McLean opposed. We'll now engage the vote on the uh second bullet on the reporting or the itemized cost breakdown.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 22854.025, "end": 22867.505, "text": "Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Tyres, your vote, please. Yes. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22868.105, "end": 22900.645, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion is carried nine to six, with counselors Johnston, Schmidt, Atkinson, Chabot, Wines, and McLean opposed. And uh perhaps uh counsel, if you don't mind, before I uh call back the item that was sent to the call of the chair. Uh Jim Hamilton, uh, could you just reiterate how you perceive the direction to be given that the Uh the budget was not provided, but the itemized cost breakdown was asked for.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 22900.865, "end": 22912.645, "text": "Absolutely, Councillor, or sorry, Mayor Farkas. I was just texting with the team. Um we would be able to we have the majority of this information, we would be able to bring it to IPC within the next couple of months.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22912.885, "end": 22913.925, "text": "Okay, great. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 22914.125, "end": 22918.825, "text": "And if if a briefing works for the mayor and council, that'd be great or committee. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22919.505, "end": 22921.725, "text": "Okay. Councillor Chabot, would you like to speak?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 22925.185, "end": 22927.685, "text": "Sorry, I I missed the question and answer.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22928.045, "end": 22970.265, "text": "So the the question I asked was uh based on uh bullet one and three, the the budget failing, but the request for the itemized breakdown did succeed. I had asked uh GM Halton how administration was per how they perceived that direction, and I believe GM Halton just indicated they'd be providing a briefing to IPC in the next couple months. All right. We sent the say a recruitment item to the call of the chair. And as chair, I'm now calling it back. So we've uh approved and given three readings to the bylaw as amended. So at this point, uh I believe, Madam Clerk, we uh are going to engage the the vote on the the second and the third bullet.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 22970.565, "end": 22997.785, "text": "That's correct, Mayor Farkas. So this will be recommendation number two, which will be the appointment of the four members. And following the appointment of the four members, council can then make the appointment of the chair. To facilitate council's decision making, we did create the um Selection matrix for you from the members that have expressed an interest, and since the bylaw being amended, we've updated that as well. So we can display that for you.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22997.945, "end": 23005.425, "text": "So that's been it was closed, and we I believe we've only voted on one. So do we need to engage the vote now on bullet two and three?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 23006.025, "end": 23012.645, "text": "Not until you make the selections, because we will insert the names of the members on recommendation number two.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23013.545, "end": 23014.885, "text": "Okay. Sounds good.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 23014.925, "end": 23025.425, "text": "Yeah, because recommendation two read appoint members of the executive committee following the selection process. We'll insert the names. Councillor will vote and then we will circle back to appointing the chair.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23028.505, "end": 23036.205, "text": "Right, so we'll go to nominations. Uh based on that, uh, we see the the columns set up there. Uh go first, uh Councillor Clark, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 23037.205, "end": 23043.765, "text": "Thank you, Chair. I'd be uh I'm pleased and delighted to nominate Councillor Ewell for the position. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23044.245, "end": 23046.185, "text": "Councillor Yule, do you accept?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 23047.005, "end": 23052.405, "text": "Yeah, happy to accept. This is something I I'm really excited to hopefully be on.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23052.965, "end": 23063.745, "text": "Okay. Uh I'm in the queue. I am going to nominate uh Deputy Mayor Shabot. Uh Councillor Shabot, do you accept? Okay, Councillor Shabot accepts. Uh Councillor Johnston on nomination?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 23064.065, "end": 23065.885, "text": "Yeah, I nominate Councillor ward.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23069.645, "end": 23072.445, "text": "Okay. Councillor Ward, uh, do you stand? Yes.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 23078.505, "end": 23090.525, "text": "I'm sorry, just one moment. We just need to confirm if Councillor Ward, are you vice chair of IPC? No? One moment.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23090.525, "end": 23091.605, "text": "Yeah, we just need to confirm.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 23091.605, "end": 23101.845, "text": "Councillor Ward's eligible. I'm so sorry. I think it's Councillor Pentazo now that I Vice Chair of IPC? Yes. So Councillor Ward is not eligible for appointment", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23102.205, "end": 23105.065, "text": "Okay. Councillor Ward, unfortunately, you're not eligible for appointment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 23105.265, "end": 23108.225, "text": "Can I renominate somebody?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23108.965, "end": 23114.045, "text": "Uh I'll come back to you in the queue, Councillor Johnson. So yeah, you burnt that nomination, but I'll go to Councillor McClain.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 23114.765, "end": 23118.385, "text": "Uh I'd like to nominate Councillor Wyness.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23120.225, "end": 23131.465, "text": "Okay. Councillor Weiness, do you stand? Okay. And uh when I ask if you stand, you that's an opportunity as well if you would like to make your pitch. Why not YNS? That's what I'm going with.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 23131.865, "end": 23137.245, "text": "Thanks. And you already nominated uh Shabot, so", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23137.265, "end": 23142.265, "text": "Okay. Sounds good. I I think you'll have to hire Councillor uh McLean for your campaign measure.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 23143.465, "end": 23144.485, "text": "that's what I already used.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23144.705, "end": 23152.105, "text": "All right. Uh Councillor Wynus has uh already nominated uh nominated Councillor Chabot. Uh Councillor Jameson, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 23155.245, "end": 23157.285, "text": "Am I able to nominate Councillor Tyres?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23157.885, "end": 23166.505, "text": "Absolutely, you can. Yep. Councillor Tyrers, do you stand? Councillor Schmidt, please?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23167.265, "end": 23169.705, "text": "I can nominate Councillor Dolywall.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23170.745, "end": 23177.105, "text": "All right, Councillor Daliwall, are you in? Okay. Councillor Johnson?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 23177.485, "end": 23179.445, "text": "I'll nominate Councillor Jameson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23181.065, "end": 23182.785, "text": "Councillor Jameson, do you stand? And", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 23183.165, "end": 23183.505, "text": "Except it", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 23183.505, "end": 23183.645, "text": "Good.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23186.625, "end": 23191.365, "text": "Councillor Jameson is one of the alternates, so he's eligible. Uh Councillor Yule?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 23192.565, "end": 23194.685, "text": "I'll nominate Councillor Pantasopoulos.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23195.945, "end": 23197.425, "text": "All right, Councillor Panasopoulos, are you in?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 23198.465, "end": 23199.405, "text": "Yes, except thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23201.165, "end": 23203.705, "text": "And over to you, Councillor Panasopoulos, on a nomination.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 23204.485, "end": 23205.585, "text": "Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23207.705, "end": 23208.825, "text": "Councillor Kelly, do you stand?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23211.285, "end": 23218.205, "text": "Uh yeah, I've been doing a lot of work on this file up until this point. Yeah, please to let my name stand to uh make sure that we uh keep the process on track.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23219.625, "end": 23229.305, "text": "Okay, did anyone who's accepted a nomination want uh an opportunity to make their pitch? We kind of just went through quick on that. It did and given that's a big competitive, uh, Deputy Mircebo.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 23232.125, "end": 23286.765, "text": "Yeah, not sure if I should even try and pitch for myself. Other than um, I think I I I bring a unique perspective in regards to. Um my uh having had the pleasure of being served by multiple CE CEOs over the years and uh and been part of some recruiting uh at the city in the past. Of course, myself being an employer, uh having had the chance to go through this process with a lot of professional um sales and marketing folks in the past, maybe not so much uh from uh the operating side, although I did have a store manager uh when I was in the electronics industry. So I think I I I do bring that that that uh at least institutional knowledge within within the city of Calgary and so I would be honored to be sitting on this committee. I I will make the time to to participate uh in in in the fullest capacity.", "segments_merged": 17 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23287.285, "end": 23289.285, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Tyres?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 23290.585, "end": 23324.105, "text": "Yeah, thank you for uh nominating me for this very important subcommittee to choose our next CAO. I think I've proven to my counselors, my fellow counselors here, that I am one that will listen to all opinions and that I will consider everyone's input when we're making these decisions. I heard when we were discussing uh with the clerk about how important it it is that everybody has a say. And so I will make sure that that happens and that we will choose the best option for our city. Thanks. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23325.605, "end": 23328.165, "text": "I see you're in the queue. Councillor Kelly, but you already made your pitch.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23329.425, "end": 23369.685, "text": "Did I? For yourself, yep. Maybe can I just add one last thing? Uh I was just gonna say uh the the one bit that I would add is just like I think I've I think I've developed a bit of a reputation in terms of being able to work with everyone on council, but uh councillor Chabot did remind me there. I have worked with three CAOs here at the city of Calgary, including on the other side as administration. And I think it's important for us to note that the CAO, while they do report to council, they also are the leader for our administration. So it'd be very good to make sure that we have a voice around this table that is looking out and have for what it is that administration might need in a chief administrative officer. Uh, and I certainly would bring that uh that skill set to the table.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23370.645, "end": 23371.745, "text": "Councillor Wynus, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 23373.005, "end": 23429.845, "text": "Thanks. Um I I'd like to be on the recruitment committee as I've been on audit for the last four years, which the terms of reference of this committee are are modeled off of. So I've been through the evaluation process using this model to evaluate our auditor. I have also been uh on the recruitment for board members of Calgary Police Commission for a number a couple years. In a row. So I understand the process and how to work collaboratively with an entire board of commission to make sure that we are meeting the skills matrix in recruiting a balanced board, and I can bring that to this recruitment as well as work with all of you to make sure you're informed on when we are meeting so that you can actually attend the meetings. You may not be able to vote, but you will be kept in the loop on uh when we are meeting and have insight to the resumes we are looking at. So it won't be a surprise when we finally get. To council for you to make your decision. So I will help bring everyone along, having been through this process a number of times. So thanks.", "segments_merged": 16 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23430.625, "end": 23432.085, "text": "Councillor Penazopoulos, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 23432.085, "end": 23483.285, "text": "Well, thanks so much. Echoing our colleagues, you know, this is probably the biggest, most important decision that we're going to make as a council. And I think having experience selecting C-suites, you know, fortunate in a prior life, selected two chairs of boards, three CEOs, uh, through volunteer work at CBE, uh, chairs of boards, directors, CEOs, and even here at the uh Calgary uh parking authority many moons ago hiring uh executive. I think the key is knowing the questions that folks will answer questions and what they aren't saying, and being able to go through there and having that. Uh C-suite to C suite ability to have a conversation because it is a $10 billion organization. They are our one employee. It's super critical. You have to make sure that you can have that dialogue to understand they understand running of the business, but also running of that administration team of a very large and complex organization, which I have the skill set. So hopefully I can get your support. Thank you so much.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23484.145, "end": 23485.145, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Yule.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 23486.705, "end": 23525.865, "text": "Yeah, I'm just uh I guess my my background as VP of operations of a company uh before becoming Councillor and uh I did a lot of hiring. I did a lot of training on hiring. Uh and so I'm I feel like I'm quite suited for a role like this, and uh I feel like I have a really good um relationship with all of you around the horseshoe. Door will always be open, and I'm I'm looking forward to actually you know sitting down with each and every one of you to to to work on like what questions to be uh asked and what what type of person we're looking for. And so uh happy to have my my name forward here and and hope for your votes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23529.765, "end": 23563.765, "text": "All right. I see no other lights. Anyone else want to jump in? All right. Seeing none, uh, Madam Clerk, if you can summarize for us, uh we're we're seeking four members, in addition to the mayor who is ex officio, so On uh the balloting, uh council members will be able to indicate up to four names. And then of the ballots that are written down and collected, the the top four, should there not be any ties, will be um nominated as the slate", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 23564.045, "end": 23566.465, "text": "so long as they receive eight votes. Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23566.465, "end": 23567.885, "text": "as long as they receive a majority of council.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 23567.885, "end": 23579.625, "text": "Majority of council, but you're right. So the mayor is ex officio, so please do not um write Mayor Farkas on the ballot because that's already part of the committee. And then yes, we're balloting for four.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23580.165, "end": 23580.545, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 23580.725, "end": 23583.505, "text": "That'll just simplify the count later. So I wanted to get that out there.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23584.205, "end": 23598.385, "text": "All right, so colleagues, of those names up on the screen, Councillor Jameson, Chabot, Daliwall, Kelly, Pantasopolis, Wyness, Yule, and Tyres, please indicate up to four. Of those names on your ballot.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 23600.625, "end": 23616.665, "text": "Apologies for the interruption. Councillor Dollywall, please um email me your selection via email since you are participating remotely. And Mayor Farkas looking at the clock, just wondering if we could perhaps um conclude the balloting before you proceed to recess.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23616.985, "end": 23623.425, "text": "Okay. Any objection, uh colleagues, to us uh concluding this item before starting our afternoon break?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 23624.245, "end": 23624.445, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23624.445, "end": 23626.805, "text": "Seeing no objection, uh we will continue. Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 23892.405, "end": 24006.625, "text": "All right, colleagues, we'll have to go to a second round of balloting. Uh we've indicated that councillor Chabot and Yule have been elected to the spots, so that means that we need to fill two more spots and those individuals must receive a majority of counsel. So What this means is that we're going to reballot. In addition to myself, Councillor Shabot, and Yule, we must decide who are the remaining two who will serve on this committee. So it'll be myself, Councillor Shabot, and Yule. And based on that composition, please determine of Councillor Jameson, Daliwell, Kelly, Pantasopoulos, Wynus, and Tyres. Of those two, or of those names that I just listed, the two that you would like to join, myself, Councillor Shabeau, and Yule. So again, your ballot must indicate up to two names of Councillor Jameson, Daliwall, Kelly, Pantasopoulos, Wynus, and Tires. Everything is fine.", "segments_merged": 17 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 24157.485, "end": 24240.265, "text": "All right, so there's not uh white smoke quite yet. Uh if there if required if the the procedure bylaw calls that if required, uh if If successive rounds of balloting may be required, then ultimately the successive rounds of balloting will exclude the nominee with the fewest votes and any nominees with no votes until we receive nominees with uh eight votes that are required. So at this point, uh we're gonna continue to a successive round, and the the candidates with uh the fewest votes, or the rather the nominee with the fewest votes, and any nominee with no votes included Councillor Jameson. So what this means is that Councillor Jameson has fallen out of contention. So we will proceed again to fill the two additional spots. Out of the names only Councillor Dallywell, Kelly, Pandasopoulos, Wynus, and Tires. So to be clear, according to the procedure bylaw, Councillor Jameson is now out of the running, and we'll proceed again to ballot two names. On your ballot, indicate up to two names. Including Councillor Dallywell, Kelly, Pantasopoulos, Wynus, or Tyres to fill the remaining two vacancies, to join myself, Councillor Shabot, and Ewell on the subcommittee.", "segments_merged": 24 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 24457.085, "end": 24678.705, "text": "All right, colleagues. Joining myself, Shabot, and Yule is one candidate, Councillor Wynus. So Weinus has achieved the the required amount. So uh to date, it's it's myself, Shabot, Wynus, and Ewell. That means that there's one more vacancy that's required. And in the round of balloting, uh, we've dropped off Councillor Dollywall as well. So, what this means is that we have one more spot to fill, and it's of the names Councillor Kelly, Panasopoulos, or Tires. So, again, to join myself, Councillor Chabot, Councillor Wynus, and Yule, we need one more uh Councillor. And please choose one name out of Councillor Kelly, Panasopoulos, and Tyres. I know it's uh all right, colleagues. Uh according to the procedure bylaw, we're gonna go to another round, excluding Councillor Kelly. So we have two remaining candidates uh in contention. It's Councillor Pantozoulos and Tyres. So out of these two names, please indicate one between Councillor Pantozopoulos and Tyres to join myself, Shabot Wyness, and Yule. On the committee, subcommittee rather.", "segments_merged": 23 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24708.065, "end": 24708.525, "text": "Thank you, sir.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 24783.005, "end": 24815.665, "text": "Let's make sure everybody is muted. All right, colleagues. We have concluded the balloting, and the the final slate here is Councillor Chabot, Yule, Wynus, and Tyres. And then that uh I am joined as well. I joined the committee subcommittee as well, ex officio. Uh I believe at this point, uh Madam Clerk, we're seeking an election from the members of the chair.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 24816.405, "end": 24817.165, "text": "That's correct.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 24817.425, "end": 24835.205, "text": "Okay, so I'm gonna jump in and I'm gonna nominate a field serve uh deputy mayor chabot to serve as chair of the uh subcommittee. Deputy Mayor, do you uh do you stand? Okay. Uh Councillor Schmidt,", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24835.645, "end": 24837.245, "text": "I'll nominate Councillor Yule.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 24837.905, "end": 24844.105, "text": "I believe it's an election from the members, uh, but Madam Clerk, can any member of council nominate?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 24844.485, "end": 24851.465, "text": "That's right. For the member uh for the appointment of chair, yes, it's the vice chair that will be done by the membership of the subcommittee.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 24851.565, "end": 24854.825, "text": "Okay, sounds good. All right, uh Councillor Yule, do you stand?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 24856.605, "end": 24856.885, "text": "Sure.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 24858.605, "end": 24859.945, "text": "Uh Councillor Jameson on this?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24864.605, "end": 24867.145, "text": "Can I please nominate uh Councillor Wines?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 24869.065, "end": 24882.505, "text": "Uh Councillor Wines, do you stand? Okay, maybe of the three of you, do we I would think it would be good to hear from each of you. Maybe Councillor Wines, uh, you can start.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24886.705, "end": 24907.445, "text": "If I lose this, vice chair. So I'm just showing interest in that leadership position. Having been on audit again, I've I've been through the process in a chair position so uh in the past, and so I would like to be either chair or vice chair of the subcommittee to do the work. So thank you.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 24910.265, "end": 24912.325, "text": "Uh Deputy Mayor Chabot, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 24914.665, "end": 24970.145, "text": "Yeah. Um I am s sat on a committee um like this in the past uh and chaired actually the committee and uh in fact uh one of the committees that I sat on. I was only one of three, and the the recommendations that came out of the committee, I was actually the minority as far as my position on who should move forward. But as the chair, I put forward the name that the committee supported. So just to give you an idea on my integrity, is I will continue to do what the committee wants and could will continue to advocate on that behalf as well as. As having had experience of going through this not once but uh several times uh at the city of Calgary. So I think I I'd make a good chair. Uh but you know what? Whatever happens, happens. Uh I'd be hap just happy to serve.", "segments_merged": 18 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 24972.185, "end": 24973.485, "text": "And Councillor Yule, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 24974.965, "end": 24998.045, "text": "Yeah, I I echo that. Happy to serve. I um just uh I I feel like I've got a really good relationship with everybody around this horseshoe, and I uh I definitely want to make sure that uh we're working together. I've got a pretty decent schedule to fit fit this type of work in, so happy to uh take on the the workload of chair.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 24999.105, "end": 25002.245, "text": "I apologize, Councillor Johnson. I didn't see uh you in the queue there.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 25003.365, "end": 25006.805, "text": "uh sorry, it was for a nomination and it was already covered, so thank you.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 25007.145, "end": 25171.125, "text": "And Councillor Jameson? You were counts you your nominations. Yeah. All right, uh any other nominations, colleagues? Okay, seeing none, uh, we'll proceed to balloting. So of the three candidates up on the screen, Shabot, Wyness, and Yule, please indicate one to be the chair of the CA Recruitment and Appointment Subcommittee. All right, uh for chair, uh we have selected Councillor Ewell to chair the subcommittee. And I believe at this point, Madam Clerk, it's members who will be eligible to vote for the vice chair", "segments_merged": 12 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25171.465, "end": 25173.645, "text": "That will be done at the first meeting of the subcommittee.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 25173.645, "end": 25175.045, "text": "at the first meeting of the subcommittee. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25175.685, "end": 25252.605, "text": "So we're just populating the motion uh for council to vote on. So that will be the previous recommendation two as well as three. We're just preparing it with the results and you will be able to vote momentarily. Thanks for your patience, council. Um the motion is before you.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 25255.885, "end": 25261.425, "text": "All right, colleagues. Uh I'm Madam Clerk, I believe this was moved by Councillor", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25262.025, "end": 25262.445, "text": "Council", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 25262.445, "end": 25263.465, "text": "Kelly and Chabot. Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25263.465, "end": 25263.825, "text": "That's right.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 25265.325, "end": 25288.905, "text": "All right, that is on the table. Uh seeing no other lights, uh, I'm going to engage the vote on everything that's above there. And that is just the the results of our balloting. And let's engage the evote.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25303.805, "end": 25309.885, "text": "Councillor Tyres, your vote, please. Thank you. And Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 25310.525, "end": 25329.405, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the uh motion is carried 14 to 1 with uh councillor Dollywall opposed. Uh we've arrived at the conclusion of the item, so let's come back uh at 410. See you in half an hour.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25333.965, "end": 25336.645, "text": "The role Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Chabot,", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 25336.965, "end": 25337.885, "text": "Councillor Clark,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 25337.905, "end": 25338.265, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 25338.365, "end": 25339.305, "text": "Councillor Dollywall,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 5 Raj Dhaliwal", "start": 25340.505, "end": 25340.825, "text": "Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 25341.365, "end": 25345.785, "text": "Councillor Jameson, Councillor Johnston, Councillor Kelly,", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 25345.985, "end": 25346.285, "text": "Present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 25346.445, "end": 25347.325, "text": "Councillor McLean,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 25348.305, "end": 25348.605, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 25348.805, "end": 25350.225, "text": "Councillor Pantasopoulos,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 25350.225, "end": 25350.385, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 25350.605, "end": 25357.365, "text": "Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell,", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 25357.385, "end": 25357.605, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 25357.605, "end": 25358.785, "text": "and Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 25359.085, "end": 25359.385, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 25359.965, "end": 25361.905, "text": "Uh Council Chabot noted. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 25362.085, "end": 25370.985, "text": "We will now move to notice of motion 9.4.5, strengthening support for community based organizations in Calgary. Over to you, uh Councillor Dollywell.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_43", "start": 25372.545, "end": 25446.745, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. I'm not going to waste much of council's time. This council had been sitting on this notice of motion for three weeks now. So I'm just going to say this motion is about community organizations that are more grassroots, but very small, do not have a capacity to hire someone to do grants and all that, but also see barriers when it comes to not just applying for city grants, but also for provincial and federal. So this notice of motion is just to engage in those organizations and look at some of the barriers, duplications, administrative complexity, and difficulties that they're facing, and bring a report back in September how we can help them. Often we do a capacity building initiative through our uh NC NFCSS funding reserve uh every year where we give an opportunity to smaller organizations to apply for special projects. So let's look at the opportunity. No funding requirement today, no ask, just administration to engage these organizations that are grassroots and bring a recommendation uh to this council at September where this council can make that decision. So, with that, I'm open and looking forward to any uh debate. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 25447.845, "end": 25459.525, "text": "Thank you. That's been uh seconded by Councillor Schmidt. Colleagues, any debate on this? Councillor Kelly, please.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 25461.325, "end": 25476.405, "text": "Yeah, I'm don't think this is a question for administration, but I will ask it of administration. It's probably more appropriate for Councillor Dollywall than close, but I'm just wondering if we can uh get a definition of community-based organization, because that's a pretty broad group of people.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25479.105, "end": 25539.205, "text": "Thank you for the question, Councillor Kelly. I'm Erin Cervantes Altamirano, Director of Community Strategies, and the funding component for community organizations falls under my portfolio. So administration does not have a definition of grassroots organizations as Councillor Dollywall was mentioning. I think that what is captured in this notice of motion is the intent to identify what are the common elements in the organizations that are currently not that experience barriers applying for funding from the city of Calgary, either because of lack of complexity, sizing, who is involved in the organization, et cetera. So what you see in there is language that will allow us to scope out the types of organizations that Councillor Dalliwell might suggest should be included in further efforts to distribute funding.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 25543.105, "end": 25560.005, "text": "Sorry, just to be clear on that, we don't currently have a definition of community community-based group. Are we going to come up with a definition of that? Like I'm just trying to figure out how we do a jurisdictional scan without being able to sc at the very least scope that down.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25560.505, "end": 25626.165, "text": "So our current definition of community organizations will be those organizations that serve community, usually in the social serving sector, that will address issues like homelessness, it could be things like addictions, it could be things like outreach, et cetera. But one of the pieces in here that I do want to highlight is that the intent of this notice of motion is trying to capture organizations that right now may not be recognized in their complexity, size, et cetera, as community organizations that the city of Calgary would normally fund. So think about, for instance, and I think the example that we normally come up with is uh with the COVID situation, a number of neighborhoods had organizations or volunteers that organized food drives that organized all sorts of supports, et cetera, but that was, you know. That continues to be the case in a lot of uh settings and currently a number of those organizations would not be eligible to receive funding from the city of Calgary.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 25626.945, "end": 25639.385, "text": "So for example, um just had a meeting a couple of weeks ago with a representative of the German Canadian Club, which is in uh um ward four. By this definition, would that be a community based organization?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25639.785, "end": 25645.185, "text": "Um so I'm not entirely sure about the terms of but maybe one of my colleagues knows.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 25646.505, "end": 25675.405, "text": "Good afternoon. A lot of the funding programs that we have right now are for programmatic uh funding, uh, not for sustained uh organizational operations. So that's sometimes a gap we have in our funding landscape. We have a number of funding programs, but they're designed to provide service. But a lot of these organizations that we define as community based, they need some core funding so that they can sustain their operation. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 25676.085, "end": 25696.145, "text": "So what about orga some organizations that may not fall into that that definition that they're like we we are sustainable. Uh some of them are, you know, uh might even be B Corps or things like that. They still would I'm just trying to figure out the the guardrails that we're putting around this because otherwise this could blow up real big real fast.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25696.405, "end": 25712.045, "text": "So that's why this is a scoping exercise. So in the past, the administration has defined organizations with a budget of under 250K or less than for employees as community organizations that would normally be eligible to acquire funding.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 25713.525, "end": 25757.125, "text": "So that would definitely include some of our community associations, but definitely not all of our community associations. Interesting. And just okay. That we as a municipality can. I'm a little bit worried that like where are the guard the guide rails on this? I'm not seeing seeing a whole lot of definition. It's um again, I work I worked in community engagement uh uh previously, and the the the first question you get in that field every time is uh define community and define engagement. And so in this particular case, I'm looking at community, community based group, and I'm looking for a definition of community based and group. And I'm not seeing that in the in the notice of motion here.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25757.125, "end": 25762.985, "text": "No. And it's part of the scoping exercise as the notice of motion was drafted.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 25764.045, "end": 25764.665, "text": "Okay, thank", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 25767.205, "end": 25785.245, "text": "I'm gonna continue through the queue, but I just wanted uh for the rest of council to get more clarity from Madam Clerk on the question that Councillor Johnston had raised in terms of the questions during debate, when questions can be asked, can't. And I just want to take a brief moment to uh go to Madam Clerk to explain the section and how the rules are applied.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25785.725, "end": 25839.285, "text": "Sure. Thanks, Mayor Farkas. Happy to do so because the rules are a little bit um altered when it comes to notices of motions. So section 80 in the procedure bylaw guides council's um flow of agenda items. What is different when it comes to notices of motion is that there is no members of administration that issue the presentation and the overview, which means that there is no operation of section 80 sub-C questions of clarification from members to administration. So with respect to notices of motion, the flow of the agenda item really starts when the main motion is made by the member. So when the motion is made and seconded, it is on the floor, and then you immediately proceed to debate, which is once per member. And then the procedure bylaw rules provide that during your debate you are permitted to ask members of administrations questions, but that is timed. We do time that as part of your debate.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 25840.065, "end": 25867.125, "text": "Thank you. And I just wanted to verify that because I had an inquiry from a colleague in terms of why I was allowing Councillor Kelly to ask questions during his debate. There's not an opportunity before the motion is moved to ask questions of administration because there's no administration presentation. So what this means is that always during a notice of motion, you have a chance to ask questions as part of your debate, but you don't have an additional timer for questions beyond what your debate allows. So uh with that, uh Deputy Mirror Shibeau, please.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 25869.525, "end": 25895.505, "text": "Thanks. No, I'm I'm a little confused by this because we typically don't give operating dollars to any of our community organizations. So is this what this intent is, is to look at operating dollars? Because if it is, I can tell you, every single community association throughout the entire city would love to have operating dollars. Is this gonna open a can of worms that we really don't want to go down?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25895.645, "end": 25936.905, "text": "So, no, what I would suggest, Councillor, is that what my colleague was referring to is the uh portion number two that identifies barriers. So we're identifying one of the barriers that administration regularly hears about. But no, you're absolutely correct. We do not provide operating dollars. And in here, the exercise is to try to scope out what are the barriers for a small community uh community based organization that may have less complexity than others in terms of how could they increase their capacity or how could we make funds available to them. But I don't think it will be in the operating dollar realm. It will be programs and services as every other stream of funding that we have.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 25936.905, "end": 25939.125, "text": "So we're still talking about community associations, right?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25939.885, "end": 25940.385, "text": "Sorry?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 25940.525, "end": 25942.725, "text": "Are we still talking about community associations?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25942.725, "end": 25945.485, "text": "Community organ based organizations.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 25945.485, "end": 25951.885, "text": "And our NPCers, do they only work with community ossociations,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25951.885, "end": 25954.005, "text": "So that would be a question.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 25954.005, "end": 25961.705, "text": "neighborhood program coordinators? Or do they also work with or Not not for profit organizations.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25961.845, "end": 25977.465, "text": "So Tim Maori, manager of community partners, the Neighborhood Partnership Coordination Program supports only community associations and social rec organizations. The other part of the portfolio would be partnership specialists who work more with community based organizations that apply for funding.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 25978.505, "end": 25983.305, "text": "And so would they not be able to access that resource currently?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25984.965, "end": 25985.645, "text": "So", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25985.645, "end": 25986.925, "text": "Community associations, sorry.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 25987.105, "end": 25997.005, "text": "No, no. Organizations that come to us for funding that are not community associations and through special partner, whatever the you called it?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25997.045, "end": 26010.125, "text": "commun any funding that we are currently providing will have to be in regards to programs and services. So if a community association is not providing programs and services on behalf of the city of Calgary, they would not be eligible for the funding.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26010.765, "end": 26016.565, "text": "Okay. And could they not access funding through this special group?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 26017.605, "end": 26019.125, "text": "Like what special", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26019.125, "end": 26020.525, "text": "I don't know, sp you said you had", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26021.905, "end": 26032.005, "text": "So just to make clear the difference between a neighborhood partnership specialist and then partnership specialists who support community based organizations that apply through funding, such as FCSS funding.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26032.945, "end": 26037.405, "text": "Okay. So these folks would they be accessing FCSS funding?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 26038.345, "end": 26054.345, "text": "If it's for programs and services, they could be eligible to access funding. But again, we don't give operating funding. So this, like if a community association is not providing programs and services on behalf of the city, they wouldn't be eligible.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26054.445, "end": 26060.045, "text": "I'm trying to I'm trying to wrap my head around what this is gonna do, what this what this is trying to do,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 26060.625, "end": 26087.265, "text": "So what I would suggest is that this is a question for Councillor Dalwell in terms of what the intent of the notice of motion is. But the intent of the notice of motion as communicated to administration was to scope out what kinds of supports and what kinds of funding could be made available to organizations that are doing programmatic work in community that are currently that have a barrier to receiving any funding from the city.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26088.885, "end": 26114.405, "text": "which is like a million organizations. Like every school organization, there's so many organizations that have come to me over the years looking for funding as like I just don't know where you would draw the line. That's why I'm I'm kind of afraid of actually even considering this. Thank you. I hopefully Councillor Dollywalk can give me some closure in his closure, because right now I'm just leaning to no.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 26116.925, "end": 26118.765, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Johnson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26119.525, "end": 26159.245, "text": "Um Yeah, I guess this is more for Councillor Dollywall in a debate here bit, but I mean Calgary.ca slash social dash services dot HTML. Um it provides all the funding, different uh community social work, mental health addiction strategy, um, pair entry, like the city does a very good job at presenting how these funding options are available. Um and just quick question for admin. Um Just what would be a a barrier that you guys would be able to identify right now if you think of any?", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 26160.465, "end": 26234.685, "text": "So things that administration regularly hears about, we currently fund about a third of the asks. So we made funding available through provincial contributions, contributions at the municipal level, sometimes federal. But right now, our funding gap is substantial. So in the past, we have received requests for about $123 million. We only provide a third of that, yes. The other thing that I would say is that in terms of barriers, we do organizations that have more complexity, that maybe have access to grant writers, et cetera, have been identified as historically being more successful in acquiring funding than others organizations. Since COVID, we also hear from a number of organizations at the neighborhood level that are also interested in getting funding for their activities at the neighborhood level. But a lot of our programs are given fiscal accountabilities, are considered to be a higher barrier in terms of application, the number of documentation that you need to provide to us, the evaluation accountabilities that you need to provide to the city, et cetera.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26234.825, "end": 26236.625, "text": "So one of the barriers is funding.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 26237.665, "end": 26239.105, "text": "the availability of funding, yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26239.105, "end": 26241.505, "text": "And the current budget for this is around 40 million.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 26241.585, "end": 26248.925, "text": "About sixty million dollars and twenty of those millions are municipal contribution, the rest are provincial and federal.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26249.285, "end": 26279.025, "text": "Could you give me a without naming names, like what would be considered a community organization? Uh community. I'm just trying to figure out what exactly I know Shabot kind of alluded to it. Sorry, Councillor Shabot. Um Uh I guess I can let the uh Councillor Dolly will answer that, but um so one of the barriers is funding. So what you're gonna probably come back with is more funding. Are there any other barriers that you've identified?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 26279.205, "end": 26303.285, "text": "So, as we mentioned to you, the requirements that we currently ask for when you are applying for funding, you need to be a registered nonprofit organization. You need to have a board of directors and policies and procedures to rule the governance of your organization. You need to have the ability to monitor funding calls.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26304.185, "end": 26306.505, "text": "Whenever they're those are good barriers, like", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 26307.325, "end": 26312.845, "text": "So, um, what I we would say is that you are part of the fiscal accountability framework, yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26313.265, "end": 26315.485, "text": "thank you. Okay, I'll leave it there. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 26316.545, "end": 26317.785, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Wanis, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26319.245, "end": 26361.805, "text": "Thanks. Sorry, don't go. I I'm just kind of curious in the number four report back. It's essentially you're gonna do this generalized uh review on a very broad definition topic. Will you actually will you actually create a breakdown of definitions of what groups? So, like what you were just explaining to Councillor Johnson about having to have a board and and an ability to Report back to us and show that the money is going to what you said it's going to. If that is perceived as a barrier in this report, will we create a mitigation strategy that says you don't need a board in place, you don't need to be registered?", "segments_merged": 12 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 26362.545, "end": 26416.725, "text": "No, so I think that that's part of the scoping exercise and part of what uh Councillor Daliwall mentioned at the beginning is that he would like administration to engage with these types of organizations. And the term that he utilized was grassroots organizations, for which we currently do not have a definition at the administration's level. So really scoping out which what are these organizations, what is the composition, what are they, how are they getting Activities completed, is it self-funded? Is it fundraising? Like what is it? Where is the gap? What types of things that they would require in order to acquire funding funding from the city? Is there appetite on the city side for this type of exercise, etc.? So again, this is the scoping exercise for which we currently don't quite have a definition of what these small organizations are.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26417.645, "end": 26433.465, "text": "And then for your implementation of a funding approach for community based groups, are you essentially gonna come up with a grant program or a funding for us to fund in the city side to provide supports to those groups?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 26433.665, "end": 26449.845, "text": "So again, Councillor Wine is because this is exploratory work, we cannot quite tell what we are going to come back with. So it could be a number of options. It could be a new funding program, it could be a new approach to for existing funding. It could be a number of different things.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26450.725, "end": 26465.105, "text": "I I think the challenge the council's probably having with this is we'd like to have some sort of definition to start, and this is not on you, this is on the writer. Because how are we knowing this is successful? We've so given you really broad.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 26465.305, "end": 26493.905, "text": "So what I would say is that part of why we have identified the need for scoping exercises that the utilization of the term grassroots organizations is also very broad, has been challenged in a number of municipal settings and government settings. We do have organizations that have grassroots strategies. United Way is a good example, for instance. So the city does not quite have that approach yet. So that's part of what will need to be scoped. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 26494.945, "end": 26507.585, "text": "Yeah. I think maybe it's because that should have been the first step in the this nom of go define grassroots for us and then do the next part. And that's where I I think that this nom fails. But anyway, okay, thank you very much.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 26510.425, "end": 26517.385, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Wannis. That exhausts the queue. Back to you, Councillor Dollywell.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_43", "start": 26518.545, "end": 26603.065, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. I won't waste council's time anymore. Every hour is costing this taxpayer seven to eight thousand dollars. The whole point of this NAM is to define what these organizations are and what are the barriers. Money is not the only barrier. There's other barriers, which is the capacity building. We have big fundings, FCSS, CSF, which sometimes police services is not even giving enough money to these organizations, just to build the capacity to find them. And sometimes they just come to city because they're so close to city. Just to help them build their capacity, writing grant programs and so on and so on, so they can apply to other jurisdictions, provincial, federal government. So not all the burden is falling upon uh municipal government to support these organizations. So the first step is defining these organizations, and second, in September to see how we can help them with minimal, minimal, if needed, dollars uh through FCSS uh program, uh capacity building, $750,000, I believe last year, just to support them. So municipal government is uh taking on less burden. It's not an opex, it's not operating dollars, it's just a capacity building. Uh so with that, uh yes, um, if you want to support it, go ahead. If not, good on you. Uh let's not waste council's time and taxpayers' money, it's costing us all. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 26606.785, "end": 26611.825, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Dollywell. Over to Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26625.725, "end": 26634.305, "text": "Councillor Kelly, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Johnston, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 26634.785, "end": 26649.625, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On this, the uh motion has been defeated. 7 to 8, with Councillors Ward, Johnston, Clark, Jameson, Tyre, Shabot, Wynass, and McLean opposed.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 26649.545, "end": 26649.565, "text": "you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 26652.225, "end": 26652.785, "text": "All right, so we will", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 26652.665, "end": 26654.065, "text": "We will now move to", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 26654.065, "end": 26661.105, "text": "9.4.6. Notice of motion, local area plan review to reintroduce limited scale. Over to you, Councillor Shabot.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 26665.465, "end": 26667.305, "text": "Okay, go with not bad. Where are you?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 26668.345, "end": 26677.165, "text": "All right, everybody please mute unless you are Deputy Mayor Shabot. Please mute. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26678.385, "end": 26845.105, "text": "Thank you. Um I believe uh Madam Clerk has the revised notice of motion. If we could put it up on the screen. I've taken the time to forward this to all members of council. Um I uh worked uh quite extensively with the administration to refine this to something that's um uh something we can actually move forward with uh with uh without in Without hopefully incurring too much of a cost, but still a scoping report in regards to the Chinook uh aspect. But we heard from a number of different individuals through the original motion to to blank it to introduce RCG throughout the city, um, specifically in relations to the to the Chinook LAP, and we heard uh pretty much the same thing from More or less the same group of people through the repealing of the Chinook LAP about very specific areas. Mission Road was one, I think 50th Avenue was the other one. But again, not looking to actually approve this yet, but at least to find out what it would cost to actually undertake this work. The other aspect of this was what I was trying to do, which was to bring all the LAPs into alignment. Alignment with the Westbrook as well as the heritage LAPs. The North Hill LAP was one of the first ones that was approved and And it um there were learnings from it that were then implemented in the Westbrook and Heritage LAP that provided, I guess, more specificity with regards to the low density limited scale. Section 2.2.1.6, I believe, has been replicated throughout all of the LAPs, and uh that's essentially what I'm trying to reintroduce into those LAPs that were approved after the blanket zoning had gone through. So essentially trying to bring all the LEPs into compliance, um, into alignment, uh, so that we at least have some. some I guess equity throughout our LEPs before or as we move forward with new LAPs. And then at least then we know we have baseline information on all of them that can be replicated in any subsequent LAPs. So Just trying to level set everything here with this process with the limited um engagement on the um on the amendment to reintroduce um uh uh low density limited scale back into the LAPs as per section 2.2 point one point six. Uh and um I here I am open and if there's any questions um I'll try and address them in my close. I think I pretty much covered everything.", "segments_merged": 32 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 26846.225, "end": 26863.345, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Ward has uh seconded the motion, and I'll just weigh in very briefly. Uh uh perhaps for administration, just internal resource capacity for this. We've we've heard some concerns on the the previous LAP item. Um do you have any thoughts or recommendations on this?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 26864.005, "end": 26895.425, "text": "The uh thank you, Mayor. The work to do reintroduce section 2.2.1.6 will be done uh through an inform only, which means that our team would absorb that and there would be very minimal um mailing expenses, as an example would be the only expenses incurred through that work. Uh the second piece, which is a scoping report, would come forward with what it would cost to do that work, resources, and time.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 26896.745, "end": 26901.905, "text": "Is your early estimate that this is a relatively challenging piece of work?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 26902.725, "end": 26942.345, "text": "Uh the first part, 2.2.1.6, we can do that, um, and it is not. Outside the current team's capacity to do that work and bring that back, I believe it specifies in the notice of motion when to bring it back to council. I think it's by the end of Q4 2026. The second one, which is just to bring the scoping report that would require additional resources, or instead of going on and doing a new local area plan at the end of the three that we are doing right now. we would then move into doing that work if council so um chose to direct us to do that.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 26942.885, "end": 26952.585, "text": "And for my own education at least, can you? Tell us a bit more about the why of this incongruency that Councillor Shabot is uh pointing to.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 26953.265, "end": 27014.825, "text": "Yeah, so Councillor Chabot's correct. Following citywide rezoning, we did not include locational criteria for where row housing would be permitted inside local area plans, as the citywide rezoning, the land use on the ground, essentially leveled that it would go in all places that was that local neighborhood scale. In the previous local area plans, Westbrook, North Hill, and West and Heritage Communities, we have very specific criteria of where row housing can and cannot occur. And if someone came forward and said we wanted to put this in this location and it did not meet the intent of that policy, administration had been bringing forward refusals to council for those applications. And so the incongruency between the two was just around timing. What he's proposing is to ensure that the same policies included in Westbrook and heritage communities are now included in the five that followed the adoption of citywide rezoning in 2024.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27015.505, "end": 27023.385, "text": "Okay, great. Thank thank you for that. Um colleagues are very happy to support this. Um thank you, Deputy Mayor Shabot for bringing forward. Over to Councillor Kelly, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 27023.965, "end": 27055.405, "text": "Thanks. Uh yeah, I think we will all agree that uh by changing the blanket rezoning policy, some changes are gonna need to be made to local area plans. That that that I think make uh makes sense to me. Um maybe to administration just in terms of to get uh uh to get a little bit of clarity for myself before casting a vote here. Um No resource requirements for this. Like there's no budget asking here, but I just wanted to make sure no resource requirements, all the work that's currently being done still gets done, etc.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 27056.125, "end": 27075.045, "text": "No resource requirements on amend so the first that section A, which is to amend the others based off of that policy 2.2.1.6. The scoping report for Chinook will outline the resource requirement and budgets associated with it.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 27075.185, "end": 27077.845, "text": "But you have the budget to be able to do that scoping report.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 27078.345, "end": 27078.825, "text": "We do.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 27079.165, "end": 27104.305, "text": "Okay. Um second question, I guess I still to admit. Um municipal development plan. I'm just looking at the timing here. Again, as we all know, in terms of the hierarchy of planning, municipal development plan, local area plan, zoning bylaw. Um, is it fair to say that any changes to the municipal development plan? Will likely end up or could end up uh creating some required or suggested changes to local area plans.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 27106.305, "end": 27153.425, "text": "All plans cut stemming from that hierarchy, Councillor Kelly, you are correct, they must be in alignment. So one because we would take the the today, if there are no plans in place, no local area plans, we would default to the municipal development plan. And so the municipal development plan must work in conjunction with the local area plan. If you're asking if the Calgary Plan or the current municipal development plan will cause changes, the current municipal development plan does not, because they are functioning today in congruency. If the Calgary Plan was proposing something that would impact the local area plans, it is highly unlikely that we would bring something like that forward because we must have them work together.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 27154.545, "end": 27157.725, "text": "So sorry, we must have them marked together, but it would be highly unlikely.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 27157.725, "end": 27176.465, "text": "We would bring something forward in the Calgary plan that would require amendments to all, because that means that every plan, not just local area plans, every area redevelopment plan, area area structure plan, anything that's out of compliance with our municipal development plan must be brought into compliance.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 27176.465, "end": 27187.785, "text": "So just to dig in that a little bit deeper, then uh like any changes that we bring forward at the Calgary plan stage will have to be in alignment with the local area plan. I asked because I thought it was the other way around.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 27187.785, "end": 27227.385, "text": "They would just so that we're very clear the municipal development plan would influence the policies of the local area plan. So, for example, if a policy inside the Calgary plan said that you know nodes and corridors were where we wanted to intensify, then the local area plans in place. Would likely be in compliance. We would take a look and make sure that everything is in compliance. And if it wasn't, for whatever reason, we would need to bring an amendment forward. But for example, the MDP must be the governing document there.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 27227.385, "end": 27246.185, "text": "Thank you. That that that was my understanding as well. And I just wanted to confirm to take taking a look at the timeline here then um can you remind us when uh m MDP is scheduled? I think we're getting uh um uh our first look at it in June, but when are we sort of scheduled to do a fulsome debate and uh and finalize that document?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 27246.665, "end": 27263.045, "text": "So the draft Calgary Plan is out now, so you should all be looking at it now. And we will be with counsel for that June strategic session. The anticipated is in Q1 of 2027 to bring forward the Calgary plan for approvals.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 27263.325, "end": 27326.265, "text": "Where I'm kind of getting at in terms here when I take a look at this is that while I'm supportive that yes, we obviously need to make these changes. I'm not sure. Maybe Councillor Chabot can can sort of address this in your in your clothes a little bit, that the timing feels a little bit squirrely to me in terms of it. Because ideally, I think that as we discovered from the blanket rezoning when we made changes there, it meant that some changes were needed to be made to the local area plans. I would expect that if we make some changes to the municipal development plan, we might need to make some changes to these as well. And I'd hate for us to go and do a bunch of engagement related to the uh related to this, including the informational uh bit, uh, and then immediately have to turn around X number of months later and then have to do the same exercise over again. Uh so yeah, if you wouldn't if you wouldn't mind uh speaking to that, Councillor Chabot, in terms of this, uh, because I think that'll uh either I I'm I'm I'm willing to make forward an amendment on the timeline to align with the MDP, or um it might it might influence my decision here because certainly I wouldn't want to engage multiple times on virtually the same thing. Um maybe I'll leave it there, your worship.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27327.185, "end": 27328.725, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Atkinson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 27339.305, "end": 27383.665, "text": "Today, inside those plans, there is no site requirements that differentiate any of the low density forms. And so what the notice of motion is is attempting to put into place is to make everything consistent with Westbrook and Heritage, which essentially has locational criteria for where row housing would be permitted to go. Today, in those five plans, row housing could go anywhere. It will still require a land use amendment post August 4th to achieve a row house if the RCG land use is not on the ground.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27384.605, "end": 27430.185, "text": "And so It I guess just I in a similar vein, kind of to sort of where Councillor Kelly was, why why what's the benefit of having this baked into the local area plan at that scale rather than at a higher scale that if we're trying to create consistency across all local area plans, why not put roll it into the Calgary plan at a higher level and apply it across all IPs and remove the definition at the local area plan level instead have it live at a Citywide level, if we're trying to just get the consistency. So that if we wanted to make changes in the future, we're not having to modify it across multiple LAPs.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 27431.205, "end": 27498.585, "text": "Uh can't through the chair. The feedback from communities and communities were engaged on where row housing would be, even in the ones that are not included, except for the West Elbow Local Area Plan. We asked during the creation of those five LEPs. Where is the appropriate place for row housing? At the time, the feedback is very, very consistent, exactly where you heard during repeal on the end blocks, on nodes and corridors, on higher order roads. And so this would make that all consistent with one another. It's unlikely if you go through the Calgary plan that you will see that level of detail on where some housing would go versus others at that level of detail. That is why we don't include that in the Calgary Plan. We would only include it in that light yellow color, which essentially is residential. And it's all residential. It doesn't even say multifamily or high or low, it's just residential.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27498.585, "end": 27522.265, "text": "Yeah. Okay. Um and then uh just a piece that you touched on for a second there that had me a bit concerned. You just mentioned that there's a piece in here that potentially stalls out a future LAP if we like we would maybe not pursue one of the three future LAPs and for some of the work in here.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 27522.845, "end": 27553.465, "text": "So the scoping report will come back to council, which is to do some amendments to the Chinook local area plan. That is unresourced work. It will be included in the scoping report to tell you how much it will cost, how many people it will take. If council directs administration to do that right away with no additional budget, it would mean that we would put that into our local area planning program as the next local area plan that we would go back and amend.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27530.985, "end": 27556.105, "text": "Yeah, got it. Okay, perfect. Thank you. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27557.845, "end": 27560.025, "text": "All right, I believe we're back to Councillor Shabot to close.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27562.245, "end": 27752.245, "text": "Yes, thank you. Um yeah, good uh good discussion. Thanks for um bringing up some of those concerns. I I guess I'm just gonna start out by saying. Even if we put in locational criteria, that doesn't prevent somebody from coming forward with an application. Administration won't support it, but that doesn't mean council can't. And so there's been times when things have gone forward and CPC has recommended refusal, and times when CPC's remend recommended approval, and council's gone completely the other way. In fact, there's provisions in the MGA that allows us to do that. That notwithstanding whatever council approves is a standing as a policy, including statutory documents, council still has the ability to approve what they believe is. is appropriate on on any given land use. And as was pointed out by Dr. Goldstein, the uh the higher order um document would typically talk more about Uh projected density, sustainability, walkability, those kind of things. It doesn't get down into the granular level that that LAPs uh gets to. And I'm just trying to build some consistency to make sure that that even our MDP is uh at least even it's even its high level still recognizes that level of granularity within the LAPs. So it doesn't prevent it. It it may speak to it, but but at a high level. So I'm not looking at creating some conflicts here. Administration is not going to bring forward a plan, a municipal development plan, that is in conflict with every single statutory document that we've got approved. They will bring something that's in alignment with it, but albeit at a high level, maybe even reaching for higher type densities, but not being specific. Um and the the Chinook LAP You know, I there's several others that that I could have probably brought forward, but I thought um you know what, let's just start out with looking at one where we heard quite a bit of of input in both the pre and post implementation of RCG citywide. Um that I thought would be worthwhile exercise to look at doing a scoping exercise to see what it would cost to reassess it. There may be others, I'm sure there's others that will want to do the same thing, but at least if council has an idea what it's gonna cost to, you know, reassess even one of them, even though it's in a very limited capacity, because they were very specific, uh, the folks that came and spoke to us about where uh they felt that that council had uh exceeded what they believed was was uh appropriate densities. And they the basis, of course, is that they they were saying. In all the other LEPs, the baseline was single family. In these ones, the baseline was RCG and it went up from there, which is why they think it was too high density that was proposed. Anyways, hope you can support this. I believe it's mostly belts and braces, but uh uh again, if not, we'll have to look at another process, I guess, to bring them all into alignment. Closed.", "segments_merged": 13 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27753.485, "end": 27756.105, "text": "Thank you. Um Madam Clerk, let's engage the e vote on that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27775.125, "end": 27778.905, "text": "Councillor Clark, your vote please. Thank you. Councillor Dollywall, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_43", "start": 27780.785, "end": 27781.085, "text": "No,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27781.545, "end": 27785.465, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Kelly, thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27786.545, "end": 27819.765, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. Okay, on that the motion is carried 13 to 2 with councillors Kelly and Daly well opposed. That concludes 946. I believe 947 was uh withdrawn. We're going now to 948 Notice of Motion Charitable Partner Program for Community Association Infrastructure. I'll go to Councillor Ward in a moment to introduce. And Deputy Mayor Chabot, would you mind taking the chair? I'm hoping to second this motion. Okay. Over to you, uh Councillor Ward.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27820.945, "end": 27964.445, "text": "Yes, um so this notice of motion uh it's about creating a new funding stream. It's not about creating a new funding stream, it's about creating a mechanism that unlocks private, uh, philanthropic, and corporate dollars for community infrastructure, dollars that we currently leave on the table because there is no simple or compliant way for donors to give. Um, so sort of why this matters, there's over 120 community associations and nearly 60 social recreation operate operators running facilities on city owned land. Many of the buildings. Especially in my ward, are 40 to 60 years old and require major life cycle work right now. Without intervention, they risk closure service reductions and inequitable access to community spaces. The volunteer model is breaking down. Boards are struggling to manage engineering reports, capital planning, grant writing, and contractor oversight. And over 75 community associations in our city right now have board vacancies. Volunteers are burning out, and the administrative burden is just unsustainable. Um communities are willing to raise money, but the system blocks them. Right now there's no simple, scalable way for individuals, corporations, Or philanthropic organizations to donate to a community hall or arena and receive a charitable tax receipt. The city is already a qualified donee under CRA rules. We simply haven't built a framework to use that status to support community infrastructure. So this actually reduces pressure on our municipal capital budgets. Every dollar raised privately is a dollar that the city doesn't need to spend. So the program helps communities help themselves without digging into our budget. It supports equity across neighborhoods. Communities with lower fundraising capacity are often the ones with the most aging infrastructure. So a city-enabled charitable partner program levels the playing field by providing a consistent, transparent mechanism for all communities. When residents can invest directly in their local facilities, it builds ownership, pride, and long term sustainability. It aligns with our council priorities. It's community well being, active living, resilient neighborhoods, and leveraging partnerships. And I will leave one last note for my close. But Happy to move.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27965.625, "end": 27966.725, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27968.405, "end": 28266.405, "text": "Thank you, Deputy Mayor. I'm very happy to second the motion. I I want to say a giant thank you to Councillor Ward and bring this forward. I believe that I'm not sure if it's still the case, but I believe Ward 11 has when you tally up more the the level of community associations, but not just the CAs, but also the the associated community uh organiz the grassroots community organizations, the the social groups, the recreation groups, the uh Girl Guides organizations, the Boy Scouts organizations, all of the various philanthropic uh and not for profit organizations that otherwise do not have. Well, maybe the the guides are the exception of the ones I listed, but the vast majority of organizations that are doing this critical work currently out in the organ uh community are not eligible or do not receive charitable status. And this is not knocking their core uh philanthropic endeavors. For many of them, they they certainly could, but they, based on uh their reliance on volunteers, don't have that uh ability from Uh frankly, just a resourcing standpoint. So for many of these organizations to jump through the hoops to be compliant with the community or rather with the CRA in order to get their charitable status, this is an incredible barrier to entry for a lot of these organizations, especially if they uh want to spend more of their time being focused on the benefit of the community rather than going through the paperwork. There's a couple organizations I'm familiar with, like the Palace or Bayview Pump Hill CA, that did go through the process of becoming a charitable organization, but it imposed a lot of limitations that. Otherwise, impeded their ability to do work, and I speak to that with first hand knowledge, not just as the local Councillor, but also a former director of the board of that organization. So very thrilled to support this. I also see it to be complementary to some of the work that's being done right now with other funders. Many of you are aware that the Parks Foundation, as an example, has a similar program to this, where for very specific projects, they are the intake for these donations, where instead of donating to a specific, say, uh pump track organization, you donate to the Parks Foundation and that flow through is provided to the organization on a capital basis. So this is seen to be, I really see this as complementary. Also of note is I believe in 2022 or 2023 there was a significant change in the interpretation from the CRA in that it used to be that to flow through donations like this, you also had to be a qualified donee. But right now there's some latitude that's now being uh uh granted uh for charitable organizations, uh not just not-for-profits, but also municipalities, to accept a donation, issue the tax receipt, and also flow it through uh with a little bit looser interpretation in terms of what the uh uh the the beneficial good is at the end of the day. So long story short, there's been some legislative changes that ultimately have allowed this to be. done a little bit more easily today than otherwise if we had attempted it five or ten years ago. So to the central point though that uh Councillor Ward made, just want to reinforce that this is a way um at this point, just reviewing the options, there may be some cost that the cities uh potentially could incur If we are to administer this program as a city or to perhaps find a partner to administer the framework, but this time we don't know what those costs are, and this is simply exploring that. We're not locked in to doing this, but I think seeking the information about what this would cost and what the cost-benefit uh would be makes a lot of sense. But central to Councillor Ward's point, though, is that this could potentially unlock a significant amount of funding, not just from uh the private sector and philanthropic uh uh individuals or businesses out in the community, but also from major funders. So there's many major organizations right now who will only provide grants to qualified uh charitable organizations. So, in short, if you want a major grant, you must yourself be a charity in order to receive the grant. So this is actually a way that potentially the city could be the receiver for the purposes of these grants. So it's not just smaller donations that I think could be unlocked here, but some very significant bigger uh gifts at the end of the day. So Let's be creative in terms of how we find uh how we turn over rocks, try to find more resources, make the existing funding go and go further, and that's what all this uh motion is about. So, council colleagues strongly urge you to support this. Uh, these social recreation organizations, these community associations who do the work their work, many hundreds of them every single day uh throughout the city of Calgary, incredibly worthy of our support, and let's find more ways to be able to uh address their needs while addressing what may be some of our own legal, financial, and administrative risks.", "segments_merged": 34 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 28268.505, "end": 28271.165, "text": "Mayor Farkas. Councillor Pantasopoulos. You have", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28271.165, "end": 28271.405, "text": "Thanks.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 28271.405, "end": 28271.545, "text": "the floor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28271.545, "end": 28318.785, "text": "Thanks so much. And thanks for bringing this forward. I think I love the focus on capital. Um, as every day the buildings get a little more and more. They get age and there's time. A question for admin, where I'm thinking from a city of Calgary, being a flow-through agent, as you think through, any thoughts about a duty of care to know what the end use is? You know, fundamentally, I'm thinking if if a CA has a use, $100, is there a diligence requirement? Fundamentally, is there a risk to us losing our charitable status if we gave it to somebody and it was a for profit entity? Paying a you can just go down this path. Maybe just sort of think through that how that would sort of work. And is there any learnings from a Oh my goodness. United Way. I mean they're a similar sort of program. But yeah, I'd love to hear your thoughts. How you'd address it as part of this scoping? Because I you might not have the answers today.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28319.425, "end": 28346.625, "text": "Uh that's correct. I do not have those answers today. All of those questions, and likely many more, will be considered through the review and the assess and the assure alignment and report back components of this notice of motion. And those are the things we want to figure out in terms of what is the best recommended structure in terms of a city approach or a partner approach, or how how is the best way to implement this so that we can answer those questions clearly in our report back.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28346.785, "end": 28351.245, "text": "Perfect. And the definition of social recreation organization, is that a defined term in city?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28351.425, "end": 28358.145, "text": "That's correct. So those are the organizations that are similar to community associations that are also supported by the Neighborhood Partnership Coordination Program.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28358.665, "end": 28361.525, "text": "Okay. So it's not just necessarily big rec centers. It could be something.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28362.505, "end": 28364.445, "text": "Slightly different. Yeah. So there's", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28364.445, "end": 28366.585, "text": "What would be an example? I'm just curious. Like what would be one uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28367.945, "end": 28379.185, "text": "the Pioneers, Southern Alberta Pioneers Association that has a license of occupation for a facility. So similar to a community association, but more directed towards a specific social recreation outcome.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28381.085, "end": 28403.605, "text": "and and there would be ways obviously to expand this, not just their buildings, but city-owned-I think that's it. Where they have a lease or something, they're looking to raise some money. It's our building, but Think of a uh rec center. You know, ultimately they they're gonna raise 100 million, it's our building, but uh the it could go on there as well. It's it's like it's just not gonna be restricted as your scoping to restrict it to just their buildings, it could be potential city of Calgary assets.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28403.825, "end": 28419.605, "text": "Yeah, so as I understand the notice of motion, and I'd look to the mover to clarify. But our focus would be on those organizations that have a license of occupation, like community associations or social rec organizations, who typically don't have the capacity or access to those kinds of donations.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28420.485, "end": 28435.425, "text": "I I just hope as part of this, you know, I'd love to hear the the the mover. Uh if we were to ever lose our charitable status or tax status for some implication, what would be the detrimental impact to the city of Calgary? Or is it we just don't really use that as as often as we could or should?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28436.325, "end": 28447.505, "text": "I'm not sure I have an answer to that question, but certainly the implications of the flow through through the city and what the risks of that approach are would be covered in our report back.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28447.465, "end": 28447.665, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 28447.665, "end": 28578.605, "text": "Great. Just a couple of points. Um and I In light of the work that'll be coming back, um, one of the key components from a charity perspective is the aspect around uh restrictions. And so dollars have to be donated. There can be certain uh general parameters, and I believe that'll be included in the document in terms of what is the direction capability. But where people often get in trouble with their charity status is when it becomes more restricted, and at that point it's no longer a donation for the use, it's uh almost a flowback of value back to the group or the person who was donating it. And that's one of the biggest risks in situations where organizations fall into trouble with their charitable status. So those will be some of the elements that are highlighted in terms of uh what does the flow look like, um, where it can be directed, and how that looks. And then also another big element of donations and charity reporting is all around the reporting back. So the infrastructure we would have in place to say these are the dollars that were received, these are the dollars that flowed out, and for what purpose, how we hold the dollars, how the dollars are treated, is there an interest in aspect to them, and what we have to do with those until they're released or until they're spent. Um, those are a lot of the questions that um will have to flow through and and get that understanding, as well as the engine that'll be required behind it. Because right now, uh the city of Calgary does not do a lot of donations. I have a very small number on my screen, I won't yell it out, but uh we don't take a lot of donations right now, so therefore we don't really have infrastructure behind it. So part of this will be an understanding of what does that look like and also the timeliness. So if you're taking 20 donations in a period of time versus several hundred, what does that look like with the responsiveness, those types of things? And usually in the space of receiving donations, there's an expectation sometimes from donors that there's also uh reporting back on a regular basis about this is what we've done, this is the flow through. So all of that will have to be considered uh when that document is put together in terms of what would be required.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28579.245, "end": 28587.005, "text": "Great. You're thinking of all the potential risks back to the city and uh to see if we can get a good outcome. Thanks so much, and thank you for uh bringing forward this notice of motion. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 28587.465, "end": 28589.745, "text": "Thanks, Councillor Pantasopoulos. Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28591.585, "end": 28740.785, "text": "Uh Thank you, Deputy Mayor. I couldn't find the donate button on the Calgary.ca website, Mr. Tucker. If you want to point me in that direction, I'll happily make a $20 donation to water bottles or something. I really want to thank uh Councillor Ward for bringing this forward. You're at what 40 to 60 years? Ward for is a little more 50 to 75. So like uh and as a former community association president, like I've been through it. Like that is absolutely uh correct. It is incredibly difficult to be able to be able to do these things. Uh and uh inevitably we as community associations end up spending a lot of time trying to partner with other organizations in order to be able to find some way to be able to accept uh uh some form of donation. most of the time that's incredibly difficult. And as a result, we end up not being able to not being able to do it. Um Maybe I'll answer just Councillor Panasopoulos asked a question earlier just about some of the like you mentioned United Way. United Way, for example, most of the donations that flow into them as a registered charity then flow out to another registered charity. So it is, it's not quite the same thing, but this is a little bit perhaps more akin to something that the Calgary Foundation does with the neighbor grants, etc. I think that there's uh the what I uh when Councillor Ward first brought this to me is I I was immediately in. I was like, this is an absolute no-brainer for us to be able to look at this, figure out what options we may have on the table. And one thing I wanted to point out here that uh uh uh that no one else has brought up yet is uh is the key points in bullet point number uh one, I believe it is, where this is about a city administered or a partnership administered program. That I think is exactly the right way for us to look at this. The city it might make a ton of sense for us to do this, or it might make sense to partner with an organization without uh such as the Federation of Calgary Communities not putting any uh uh uh uh promises on them or anything like that, making them make them fulfill anything. But uh I I appreciate the fact that this is actually this has been worded, constructed in such a way that is relatively wholesome that will pr provide us an opportunity to take a look at all the options that are out there. And uh I will maybe say to all my colleagues here, I I hope that you can get on board uh and support this, because uh this is the kind of thing I I would certainly hope could uh have a 15 to nothing vote. Thank you, Chair.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 28741.845, "end": 28744.965, "text": "Councillor Kelly. Uh up next, Councillor McClain.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 28745.385, "end": 28820.985, "text": "Thanks uh this is again, thank you, uh Councillor Ward, for bringing this forward. It continues actually a lot of work that my office started two, three years ago. There's a community association, they actually need our help. These are the people that volunteer, they need funding. And there's one I'm going to talk broad strokes, but it's a community association in my ward that the rink was going broke, they didn't have money for a Zamboni. They were selling advertising and so I worked with them to sell advertising. I bought some myself. And they said, why can't we just have a big organization sponsor this and put their name on it? Which then there was a very successful business owner who skated on that exact rink said, I'll pony up this much money. And we've been working on getting this done so that the city can work with donors to do naming rights, anything we could do to fund these organizations. But you know what the kicker was. At the very end the checks ready to go, but they wanted a tax receipt. That was what was slowing down a lot of this work. So this is perfect. Um this allows then the donut uh the you know, corporations, businesses, developers, whatever. Uh it's good for everybody. So this is just fantastic. It's just I think there's one more piece of the puzzle to help out our community associations. So again, thanks again. And if uh like Councillor Kelly says, of course, that's uh let's all support this.", "segments_merged": 18 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 28824.985, "end": 28828.705, "text": "Thank you, Councillor McClain. Uh Councillor Harrison, you're up.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 28830.925, "end": 28873.325, "text": "Laser. Yeah. Um really wanted, of course, to also take a moment just to uh acknowledge Councillor Ward's efforts here. I think it's fantastic. I also represent a number of uh aging community associations who've all highlighted very similar concerns. I think something that's we haven't maybe highlighted as much yet, which I'd love to just draw our attention to is how many small businesses and local people to their communities would love the opportunity to jump in, and this is how they can do that. So really want to acknowledge um the barrier that you're breaking down and uh the space that you're creating for that uh for new types of community connection to occur. Um and uh so very pleased to support this, and uh it sounds like we probably all will. So very good. Thanks.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 28875.685, "end": 28878.885, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Harrison. Uh Councillor Atkinson, you're up.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 28880.845, "end": 28919.625, "text": "Um, does city administration have we ever done this where we've stood up an organization to be sort of uh a flow through? Like as far as I'm aware, like the Parks Foundation wasn't something that the city created or the federation, I don't think is also something that the city created. I've just I don't know if we have um any examples of like the city sort of standing up a uh N not a municipal yeah, I guess municipally controlled corporations, I guess, are is one sort of vehicle, but like yeah, when when we think of these sort of support organizations more so.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28921.125, "end": 28943.885, "text": "I'm not sure if I have an answer specifically to have we stood up an organization to do this. However, we do know that organizations like the Federation and the Parks Foundation do have charitable donation programs, and as part of our assessment, we'll be reaching out to them to see what works and what advice they have and what pathways we might might want to leverage.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 28945.785, "end": 29050.425, "text": "Um I yeah, I think this is good. I my only concern is I go back actually to um The it was a couple months ago we were voting on uh the I don't remember the name of the program, the extension of of where Scenic Acres is able to pay a little bit more into their property taxes and Councillor Shabot. Sorry? Yes, Helms, that's right. Um And and you're able like and you we have then we then potentially create disparity between the neighborhoods that have uh greater ability to pay. Um and I just worry my concern here would be that I mean we have an obligation to make sure that we don't let neighborhoods that are not able to fundraise in the same capacities. Uh so how do we gain that benefit not just for those communities that are able to fundraise for themselves, uh, but for the city as a whole, right? And so, and actually, how do we even leverage the neighborhoods that are able to fundraise more so that those that cannot fundraise can be helped out more and in a more timely fashion? That's that's a piece that I'm concerned with. Uh, and I this just really sort of sent me back to that Elms discussion. I it's it's one piece that I'm I'm concerned about. I think doing the work and hearing the end result of this, I'm interested in that piece. Uh, but that is that is something that I will be looking for, I think, in that end result would be just how we make sure that equity and equitable results uh are baked into the results of a process like this.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 29052.825, "end": 29156.605, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Atkinson. I'm gonna throw myself into this discussion, and I too want to thank um uh all of the um the movers of this motion, Councillor Ward, co um Mayor, uh Farkas, uh Council McClain, Councillor Kelly, and uh Councillor Clark for bringing this forward. It's um it's been something that uh I've struggled with over the years and how to assist communities. Um in delivering on some some core infrastructure needs, including improvements to playgrounds. Um, I've helped community associations fundraise specifically to to make improvements to some of those playgrounds. And we recently heard from administration how far behind we are on on upgrading some of our community facilities, our our playground facilities, and if this is a way of actually accelerating that, and I don't care if it's going into a community that that has deeper pockets than others, because if it does, it'll actually create room in other places. So for me, that's I think it's a win win. I think it's a great idea. It's uh something I've actually discussed with other folks um uh uh fairly recently about how other municipalities in other parts of the world actually provide funding. Uh for community type amenities. So I think this is innovative. It's a great idea. It is something, like I say, that other uh um places in the world are actually utilizing. I think it's it's high time we get on board on to initiatives like this. Ultimately, how it gets administered is something that's gonna come back to us, and I think it's uh it's a great idea and I I too want to thank the movers for bringing this forward. Happy to support it. Back to you to close, Councillor Uh Ward.", "segments_merged": 21 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 29157.125, "end": 29293.165, "text": "Yes. Um, I'll try to cover some of the questions that came up here. So um the question of equity of donations, I think that's a valid point. And my hope would be that the communities that are able to acquire more don donations would then dip into the pool of grants and other sources of funding less to open up those sources for the communities that are not getting as much donations. So I I would just hope that uh you know the the disparity or the equity with donations would help balance through other means of funding. Um in terms of the the questions around, you know, can we get ourselves into trouble with this, th that that's part of all of this. I mean, uh just as an example for Events like golf tournaments, for example, that's the world I came from. Um a lot of people don't know the rules where if you're if you're donating to a golf tournament and then you're receiving recognition upon the grounds of the event, that's not allowed. You don't get a tax receipt when you're not supposed to. But some people still issue them, that's not correct. Um in in speaking with businesses, at least in my world, many businesses are very much on board with this. They would love to donate. And when I sort of floated the idea past them of, you know, would you donate if we could issue a tax receipt? The answer was almost always a very enthusiastic yes. So um There's a lot of businesses that you can go to in your wards that I and I would suggest that us as counselors should go to those businesses and encourage them to support the communities that they are in. The cost is obviously a question that was brought up, and that's part of this review as well. That's why we left the option open for partner-administered as well. So if the cost is too high, we can look at partnerships. Last, I'll say this was endorsed by the Federation of Calgary Communities. They're very much on board with it. I held a meeting Monday night with 10 community association presidents, and this was the first time I informed them about this, and they were extremely enthusiastic about it. They were very excited for the opportunity for this. So I would encourage you to vote yes. I I think your community association presidents would be most appreciative. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 29295.945, "end": 29301.325, "text": "Thank you, uh Clerk, Madam Clerk, if you can open up the east card, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29315.405, "end": 29316.885, "text": "Councillor Jameson, your vote please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 29319.705, "end": 29320.085, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29320.325, "end": 29322.085, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Kelly, your vote please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 29322.425, "end": 29322.765, "text": "Hell yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29323.625, "end": 29326.205, "text": "Thank you. Deputy Mayor Chabot, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 29326.525, "end": 29337.405, "text": "Uh please display the results. And that is carried unanimously. Thank you, everyone. Mayor Farkas, I assume you're gonna be taking the chair.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 29349.165, "end": 29354.605, "text": "All right, I believe uh Councillor Johnston, you're up next on the notice of motion on fair timing for question period.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29355.425, "end": 29414.825, "text": "Uh yeah, I sent my summary of my debate around to our city council. It's pretty simple. I saw a potential issue with our policy and current question period um selection, I guess. Um I feel what I'm bringing here just makes it fair for everybody. Um, instead of uh a rush to hit RTS QP. You now have the chance from nine thirty until whenever question period is called to have your question Asked and if there's more than three questions asked, it just goes to a random draw. Um and so that to me allows us to see three in the queue, but be like, well, if I put my fourth in there, I'll also have a chance of asking a question. Um, so it's just a simple policy change and just makes it fair for everybody and removes a bit of the rush to the RTS. So um to me it should be simple. Vote yes if you agree with it, no if you don't.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 29416.485, "end": 29431.225, "text": "Alright, is there a seconder, please? Second by Councillor Kelly. Yeah, I'll I'll jump in. I think this is fair and equitable. Uh thanks for bringing it forward. Anyone else? Deputy Mayor?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 29433.825, "end": 29470.645, "text": "Um well I appreciate the the sentiment. Um I have to uh see I've been probably the beneficiary of of many question period questions, maybe 'cause I'm quick on the queue and there are times when I've wanted to ask a question, but I didn't make it on time to be first in the queue and that was that was on me. And so what I ended up doing is submitting a a an administrative inquiry. So there are other ways of asking questions without having to be in the queue for question period. So for me, I don't see why we need to do this. So I personally will not be supporting it.", "segments_merged": 12 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 29471.825, "end": 29475.485, "text": "Uh I apologize, Councillor Atkinson. Uh we leap for OG.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 29476.365, "end": 29487.505, "text": "Uh just wondering with city clerks, any concern with doing the random draw and just like the implementation and slowing down slow council meetings.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29488.765, "end": 29514.145, "text": "Thanks for the question, Councillor Atkinson. Um, through the chair. Not not a concern, but I think you've just highlighted the one thing that will happen, right? Um, and that will be executing the random draw manually while the council meeting is ongoing. So it will stop your proceedings. Um it'll depend on how many members are in the queue. That will determine the speed of conducting the random draw, but that's not a concern, just an awareness.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 29514.345, "end": 29515.325, "text": "Okay, thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 29515.385, "end": 29531.745, "text": "And if I may, just as chair, I'd I'd suggest that there's a significant gap most times between 9 30 a.m. when the uh entries would happen and when we actually get to question period with opening remarks, recognitions, uh, and so on. Uh Councillor Clark, please.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 29532.725, "end": 29543.965, "text": "Yes, thank you, Chair. Um just curious, um, Madam Clerk, if what the history is of the way things are today in terms of the three questions and the banging of the gavel and what's the tradition there?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29545.625, "end": 29579.765, "text": "Thank you for the question, um, Councillor Clark, through the chair. So I have been in this role now for just over five years, and in my entire time here, um, the question period process has been facilitated using the Microsoft Teams. It is a long standing tradition that it begins following the banging of the gavel. Uh pre COVID um members of council entered the queue using their panels, I believe. So the practice has been in place and it always began with the banging of the gap, so that's a bit of a tradition.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 29580.745, "end": 29592.225, "text": "And have we ever faced a scenario where like we've looked to move away from it? I mean, it sounds like the technologies have evolved and so we've sort of worked to but is is there any record and I understand I'm putting you on the spot to like", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29592.225, "end": 29592.465, "text": "Oh not", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 29592.465, "end": 29597.885, "text": "Over the last hundred and ten years have we looked to has anyone looked to make this kind of adjustment before?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29598.485, "end": 29629.305, "text": "Not to my knowledge, no one has looked to change the process within the procedure bylaw. The one practice that I am familiar with from the past term is when more than three questions were entered in the queue. A member did make a motion to suspend the rules in order to allow a fourth question. So that was not a change in the overall rules within the procedure by law, but it was a recognition that an additional question could be asked. So then the rule was temporarily suspended.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 29629.585, "end": 29630.785, "text": "Very good. Thank you so much.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29630.885, "end": 29631.625, "text": "You're very welcome.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 29634.025, "end": 29636.605, "text": "It if I may, just for history,", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 29638.125, "end": 29643.205, "text": "I'm gonna s I'm gonna say unless there's an objection, let's uh hear from Councillor Chabot. Hearing no", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 29643.205, "end": 29671.205, "text": "I want to say it wasn't always at the bang of the gavel. It used to be um when you could put on your RTS, you could put on your RTS even before the meeting started. So sometimes in the past I would get here early, early and turn on my light, my RTS, and then it would go on to the panel in the queue that it was entered. And so that'd come in to council chambers sometimes at like 8 30 and there's already three lights on. So just so you know, it wasn't always just at the banging of the gavel.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 29671.205, "end": 29679.125, "text": "Deputy Mayor, you just admitted to being late to meetings. Just kidding. Uh I think we've exhausted the queue. Uh Councillor Johnson, please, to close.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29679.125, "end": 29703.645, "text": "Yeah, sorry, just to uh Shabot, this encourages you to be here on time at 9 30, right? And but it removes the unfairness of how the system currently works. And to me, this is just Basic policy procedure. We find something that doesn't work, we fix it, and we move on. So I would appreciate the support on this. And uh we'll just go forward. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 29704.665, "end": 29708.245, "text": "All right, man, Clerk. Uh let's engage the evote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29723.425, "end": 29724.825, "text": "Councillor Kelly, your vote, please?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 29726.625, "end": 29726.985, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29727.465, "end": 29729.385, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 29730.145, "end": 29758.065, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried. 11 to 4, with counselors Dallywall, Schmidt, Clark, and Chabot opposed. All right, uh, we're on 9410, notice of motion rescinding the climate emergency declaration. Uh Councillor Johnston, are you moving this one? All right. Is it or is it Deputy Marshabot? Okay. Oh, Councillor Johnston, are you there? Yeah. Councillor Johnston, please go ahead.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29759.585, "end": 29846.485, "text": "Yeah, again, I present my debate on this. I don't this has already gone through council. Uh a lot of those questions were asked and answered in September. I I think I even provided uh the video clips. If I didn't I apologize, but um again, this is about one simple thing, and that's just about um Highlighting honestly a lot of the good this city does with our current climate action plan, which existed before the climate declaration. It exists now and it'll exist in the future. And again, there's a lot of good things this city does. We do not need a label or symbolic gesture to do good things. The second thing is that this has created a bit of a cloud over. The system that already exists. And I believe removing that cloud will allow the system to operate freely, more freely, and uh we can actually get more done for what the climate action plan already does. And again, a lot of that has to do with flood mitigation, um, groundwater um help. And again, this is just sending an example that we can be actionable over symbolic. And again, I sent pre sent a lot of my debate, so I'm just gonna leave it there. Um, if we wanna. Ask questions, I include I I encourage us to do so. So", "segments_merged": 12 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 29848.625, "end": 29851.805, "text": "All right, uh, that's been seconded by Councillor Shabot. Over to you, Councillor Shabot.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 29852.965, "end": 30048.265, "text": "Yeah, well obviously I'm happy to support this motion. It's something that uh I tried to institute uh or initiate last term um and uh and I did commit to bringing it back. I I wanted to do a deeper dive into all of this um and uh insofar as how much was spent, how much was collected, uh if any of it was related specifically to a climate emergency. Um I did find out that that through At least three different locations that that the information in so far as uh the monetary implications is already exists. And um what what I wanted to explore further, which I'm hoping to introduce uh at some point for maybe the 2027 through the audit committee, is maybe a further investigation to see how um it Whether or not this has been embedded further within the organization. I've already heard from administration that it that they don't believe that it has. Uh but again I'd like to find out uh from our independent internal auditor whether or not they could further investigate whether or not um the concept around climate emergency has uh has been embedded uh in other areas of the city that could potentially have monetary implications. I don't know the answer to that. And uh and I don't think it's necessary that we investigate that today. I want to further explore that with the administration on how to scope that out to make sure that. that uh it's something that uh council's um willing to at least investigate. But for today, um I'm happy with just uh the removal of the declaration 'cause uh some of the connotations associated with an emergency sort of implies that that we will do everything w within our power to eliminate The emergency. The in original intent from my understanding is this was supposed to help to leverage additional federal and and or uh other daughter dollars. Um our climate action strategy ultimately is what ended up securing some of those additional dollars, uh which I think which is why I think it's appropriate to you know focus more on our climate uh uh action plan or our climate strategy uh as opposed to climate emergency. Uh but following uh this decision. I would like to introduce a notice of motion, or I mean a motion arising, specifically because some of the information that's available so that the general public could actually look at a single point within our website and go, here are all the answers. And that's what I want to do. I want to consolidate all of the information in regards to funding, expenditures, and one portal so that it's easy to navigate our website to actually find all the information, as opposed to trying to navigate a bunch of through a whole bunch of different reports. Preempting that you know with the my no s my motion arising uh my did circulate members of the council just recently. I was having some issues with my email, but the clerks has it. I believe that they can put that up later. But uh happy to support this. Hope uh rest of the council can support it as well.", "segments_merged": 20 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30050.365, "end": 30091.965, "text": "All right, uh, I'd like to bring in Ms. Newton, uh, if you don't mind. Uh could you tell us what the declaration functionally did within the organization? Because I I know that there's Well, a lot of uh really harmful misinformation, disinformation that was spread around this, even the number $87 billion. We heard that through the blanket rezoning hearing, we heard that through the public hearing. Maybe first question is there did the did the declaration incur a cost of $87 billion? And if so, where did the $87 billion go? And uh uh after you tell me, tell Mr. Tucker because I think he'd be keen to know too.", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 30092.885, "end": 30198.805, "text": "Great, thank you for the question, Mayor. So what the declaration did when council declared it is it it set the new direction for us to update the strategy. And so what's most important here is that we have a strategy that aligns with federal targets. It is that alignment with the targets of other orders of government that have allowed us to access over $287 billion. So that that's that declaration and that update of the strategy really set a priority around this work in terms of risk reduction for the city, but really opened up that opportunity for additional. Money to be brought in. In terms of the $87 billion, we do not have an $87 billion strategy. That was the cost that was outlined for all for everyone to be able to address this challenge. So it was a it's a societal cost to be able to address this challenge. And lastly, to your question around transparency. We do report regularly on all of the financial spending with regards to the budget that council had approved. This is available on our website, but there's four loc there's four reports that come forward to council. That is our we report regularly through our annual budget process, as well as we have a climate related financial disclosure that is part of the city's larger annual report that recently actually came to council. Every two years, council receives a climate progress report. Your next report will be in the fall as well. And then we also have a public facing dashboard that outlines all the metrics that we're tracking and monitoring and the progress that's made through that. All of that is publicly available through Calgary.ca and we'll work with Councillor Chabot's office to kind of help tighten that up a little bit as well.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30199.385, "end": 30216.645, "text": "And how do you uh interpret a rescinding of that declaration? Do you see it as impacting your work on a day-to-day basis in terms of actioning the priorities around as mentioned around the environment, flood mitigation, grants, other work that uh you and the great people that you get to work with do?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 30216.725, "end": 30271.365, "text": "I would say that rescinding the climate emergency is entirely council decision. What matters most is that council continues to support and fund and make progress through the climate strategy. It is that strategy that is a helps us able to access additional funding and support our community partners as well as city services to be able to reduce the risk. Calgary's experienced every climate hazard in the last two years or in the last five years. So it is happening more frequently and with more intense events. And so we have to prepare to respond to that. You heard from CEMA just recently as well that their disaster report also highlighted climate risk as being a high highlighted risk in their disaster report. So corporately, The declaration did bring together a cross-corporate focus, but also that is driven through the strategy to be able to deliver on that.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30272.045, "end": 30290.985, "text": "But you don't this motion, you don't administration does not interpret this as altering your budget or otherwise fettering your ability to undertake the work that you are today. It's Is your interpretation that this is purely symbolic and it's not something that would impede your ability to access grants or the budget you have access to at present?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 30291.165, "end": 30291.585, "text": "Correct.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30293.325, "end": 30334.405, "text": "Uh next one uh for Ms. Flown, if you don't mind. Uh and I'm probably gonna betray a little bit of uh my debate here, but I'm gonna ask uh how do you interpret the word emergency? Under which authorities was an emergency invoked? Uh was this a purely symbolic declaration? Were there certain Uh authorities that were otherwise seized under the the uh the auspices of an emergency. Uh tell me a little bit more about the grounding of what it means for a municipality to be in a state of emergency or to express an opinion about emergency under and under what acts and legal basis we can or or should or shouldn't do so.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 30335.325, "end": 30400.245, "text": "Sure. So the common reference to emergency in our organization is through a state of local emergency, which of course is dealt with under a different piece of legislation. It's not under the Municipal Government Act. And that can be used in very specific circumstances, and it gives a municipality very certain. Powers that it otherwise wouldn't have. And one example of using a state of local emergency was back in the 2013 flood when there was a need to declare a state of local emergency so that the city could take certain steps in order to address the danger or the emergency that was fast approaching. That is not what this is. This was not a state of local emergency. It was not a declaration of a state of local emergency. This really was a statement of a principle. It is couched in the purpose provisions of the Municipal Government Act. And it really is a statement of the values and priorities of the organization and from council.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30401.825, "end": 30410.325, "text": "So there's no extra authorities or anything else that uh was justified corporately under expressing the opinion of being an emergency?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 30411.265, "end": 30413.965, "text": "No, there were no new authorities that attached.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30414.985, "end": 30451.185, "text": "By chance, could you give maybe a few examples of what uh that emergency declaration can allow municipalities to do? I believe that there uh since the probably the four year gap in my time on council, there were some changes to the act as well, where I believe that you you can't you can no longer denare uh rather declare a generic state of emergency, but you have to declare it for the purposes of using a specific thing, whether it's uh seizing a form of production or using land temporarily to respond to a crisis or Around procurement. Uh d do I have that correct?", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 30452.505, "end": 30505.045, "text": "I'm in the process of trying to pull up the act. It's the Emergency Management Act, and I haven't pulled it up in front of me, so I'm going to go off of my memory as well. It's exactly that. It's conscripting land in order to fight an emergency. You can think of a fire, and maybe you have to create a fire break and to draw something like that. It does provide some procurement authority that might not otherwise exist so that you could exponentially or expediently procure certain goods. I'm not familiar with us ever having done that, us being the city ever having done that, but that is also a power under that particular legislation. And that none of that was done under this. declaration of a climate emergency.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30505.825, "end": 30510.905, "text": "And maybe Ms. Newton, did you have any uh follow-up you'd like to provide on the answer from Ms. Floom?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 30512.165, "end": 30547.165, "text": "Yes, thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to highlight that with regards to implication of removing a declaration. I think it's important for a council to just be aware that there is a reputational impact. We would be out of line with just over 600 Canadian municipalities. The council will join the declaration to follow a global movement. So just want you to be aware of that global that. I guess. Yeah, reputational impact. But as far as your question with regards to budgets and the strategy, that is in line with councils for your budget process.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30548.905, "end": 30661.185, "text": "All right. Uh colleagues, thanks for indulging me on the line of questions. Uh you know, personally, I I see no issue with lifting the emergency declaration. I'm I'm uh came from uh the ranching sector. I was a leading environmental nonprofit uh before coming uh to my chair as the mayor of Calgary. I Strongly believe we need to take action on climate, on the environment, and hearing that this will not impact the City of Calgary's commitment corporately and the investment that we're making. I have no issues with that. And where my mind goes is in 2013, when the state of emergency was declared around the flood, uh the declaration of that emergency was required to convene the authorities in one place to coordinate a response. We lifted that state of emergency, but we used the learnings to inform. our um undertakings around flood mitigation on a go forward basis. So No one could say that because we've lifted the flood emergency or the state of emergency for the flood in 2013, that we're not taking flood mitigation seriously. This remains one of the top priorities for us as a city as you see a lot of the work that's being undertaken under the Bow and Elbow River. Similar with the state of emergency declaration in 2024 with the uh water main break. Uh that's that declaration was required to convene all of the folks in one place to be able to determine a course of action, and uh the state of emergency on that was lifted. But it's fair to say that uh we've supercharged the pipe and we're doing absolutely everything that we can to get that fixed. So, you know, for me, I think that this is this is pragmatic. I'm fully supported to continue our investment and action on climate, but I don't think it's more performance that's required at this point. I think it's action. And if this lifting of this declaration uh gets us closer to actually acting on this and having less uh performance, uh I'm all in favor of it. So, Councillor Clark, please.", "segments_merged": 14 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 30662.205, "end": 30695.225, "text": "Jeez, okay, I'll try and follow that. Um Thank you, Chair. Um I've essentially wanted to a number of the questions that the mayor's asked uh are in line with sort of my line of questioning, what I was hoping to understand. So, because um we've heard a number of things over the last couple of days about this policy uh or this declaration. And I just wondered if somebody could offer a bit of how we got here. I understand that it was something that we initiated as part of a global movement you just said. Can you speak to that global movement? And I was we've also been told that we were the last to arrive at this conclusion. Can you speak to that as well?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 30696.125, "end": 30779.625, "text": "Yes, thanks, Councillor Clark. So I'm a I wasn't here for the whole history, but uh but you are correct. There was a global movement uh just around the recognition of climate change and the impacts that it's having on people, and particularly the role of that municipalities uh do play. I understand that there was a um a big city mayor's caucus that had taken place, um, and yes, Calgary was identified as one of the late players to the game. Uh we did we did have versions of a climate strategy dating back to probably the early 2000s, um, and they progressively have grown. We have matured in this space a lot, but um you know I think that Calgary has experienced we're in the top 10 of insured losses uh all across Canada. It's not a statistic to necessarily be proud of, but we are in a unique climate, different from some of our other neighboring municipalities in in where we experience drought fire uh wildfire smoke uh just through the winds. Water availability challenges, we have lots of challenges, and I think that really kind of drove the impetus to be able to join the global movement, update the strategy, and accelerate our work on this. And that that's exactly what the last council did. It was an acceleration of the work, and I think it has provided tremendous value for Calgaryans.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 30779.625, "end": 30807.645, "text": "Yeah, thank you. I think you've done a wonderful job also of sort of acknowledging the amount of effort that is required unique to Calgary to manage the climate and environmental concerns that are unique to us. I'm gonna sort of follow the line of questioning of the mayor in in some ways. Simply, has this delivered has the by making the declaration, has it delivered any income specific to making the declaration to the city of Calgary? Have have we been able to get anything out of it financially?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 30808.505, "end": 30855.865, "text": "So I'm I'm quite cautious to not tie the like the declaration, as I had mentioned, uh drove the update of the strategy. It is the strategy that has allowed us to access money. So, yes, we've been able to access over 287 million, and I just got another. Noticed today that we are receiving some additional money. And so it our commitment to GHG reductions as well as building resilience into our communities, both in city services, but as well as supporting Calgarians, does open up the opportunity to access funds. It also does require, in some cases, some matching funding or a proportional amount from the city as well. So I think for council, the importance to continue to fund and support this work will allow us to be able to access additional dollars.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 30856.005, "end": 30883.785, "text": "Yeah, and so you said the declaration was um able to accelerate the strategy. And so I just want to be really clear in this that it's the strategy that's delivered the results of the $287 million and new income, right? Is that correct? It's our efforts there. Now, did by implementing the declaration, did we did council at the time uh throw like put money towards this as part of that to accelerate it, or was it just making the statement was enough to accelerate the work?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 30884.005, "end": 30897.345, "text": "Through that notice of motion that was brought forward when council did declare the climate emergency, it directed us to update the strategy and then council committed through its priorities and service plans and budgets to fund the strategy.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 30898.485, "end": 30926.965, "text": "Um, have we it to in the other regard, have we has it incurred us any expense? Has there been any expense associated with this declaration? Specific to the declaration itself. Not obviously, I mean you spend money to deliver a service, I understand, but the declaration itself hasn't done anything. Okay. Is there any work that your office has done or the city of Calgary has done that we can point to that is specific, like could only have been achieved by making this declaration?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 30929.885, "end": 30956.285, "text": "Yeah, there's lots of there's lots of work. It's not just necessarily my office, but it would be the corporation, right? Updating the strategy to align with federal targets allowed us to access better financing and funding to be able to support the electric buses. We've been able to receive money for the 2 billion tree, so that was part of the federal government's commitment to net zero as well to be able to uh outline that program. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 30956.545, "end": 30964.545, "text": "And so pardon me, I'll just clarify. That's because of our strategy, isn't it? Okay. Okay. Informed by the declaration. Or accelerated by.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 30965.025, "end": 30970.105, "text": "if I could add though, Councillor Clark, I think without the declaration, we wouldn't have updated the strategy.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 30970.405, "end": 30988.945, "text": "I got it. So really I think what you're underlying, what I'm hearing you say, I think, and please clarify, but um, is that this declaration, very symbolic, it's really about what we do, how we respond to the work that's required, the action that is like quite clearly in front of us that really matters.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 30989.065, "end": 30995.665, "text": "Absolutely. With any strategy, if you don't put money, resources, effort, and commitment behind it, it's just a piece of paper.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 30995.785, "end": 31092.105, "text": "Yeah, thank you very much. Thank you so much for your time. I'll just um slip into debate a little bit here. I think um You know, personally, I don't want to hide behind these signals of virtue. I don't think that that's like the place for us here. Um, I think it's really important that we focus on the work and drive the work. Um, I think our resilience I would like to see our resiliency strategy embedded in everything that we do. I think that as we move forward, we know that the city of Calgary is a place where if there's a natural disaster anywhere else in the province generally, we're seeing individuals arrive into our city and participating here. So I want to make sure that every building that we build, every investment we make has climate uh aligned investments in it as well. But I want to pull, I don't want to be able to hide behind the idea that we've just confirmed this with language and not the action. I want to have to stand behind our action and point to that as our version of success. And so I really struggle with this idea that it will um I understand like the blowback from a reputational perspective, but I again I think we have a there's a stronger reputation to be built on delivering better results and actually delivering point like action that we can point to than than in that. I say that as a broad sense, I'm not pointing that at you, but um. I supposed If we were to remove it, and I think this has been asked, but I suppose it's worth asking again, if if the declaration is removed, it does not impede our capacity to deliver work. It's the funding of your it's the funding of the work that's required.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 31092.245, "end": 31097.545, "text": "That's correct. Council will determine the funding to advance the strategy in November.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 31097.745, "end": 31128.965, "text": "Very good. Thank you. Finally, to the mover, I suppose if in closing you could just speak to uh, you know, I I think back to the um amending that we did uh at last budget cycle. Obviously, climate was like this office was, I won't use the phrase under attack, but I mean it's sort of like a point of focus. So I just would like to understand the removal of the declaration. We sort of what like is this the beginning and end of it? Are you interested in investing in climate resiliency? In your clothes, sir. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 31129.465, "end": 31130.745, "text": "Councillor Schmidt, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31132.845, "end": 31145.885, "text": "Uh for point number two on here, I'm somewhat flummoxed by Going back and the deletion, how much work would that require to do this?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 31148.785, "end": 31166.865, "text": "So I understand that the intent of the notice of motion is anything going forward. And I think important to be clear that not a lot of our documents point to the declaration. They all align with the strategy. We may have one or two references on the website, so it's it we we can update it and then it's all communications going forward.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31168.685, "end": 31434.385, "text": "Okay, that was the answer I was hoping for. Thank you. So um I I think that this is a a nothing burger overall, in that we've heard that the declaration signaled an intention from Council and from Calgary about what we were going to do. And that that intention was clearly followed by action, as we heard from the $287 million of work that was undertaken through collaborative funding. And what I see here is something that comes up a lot in council is performance. It is not causing us to really lose anything by declaring a climate emergency. In fact, it had Resulted in a lot of benefit that we followed through on. So I fail to see the reason why we need to go back in time to basically eliminate the signal of our intention. And it's not something that is an issue specific to a certain group of activists or special interest groups. Angus Reed Institute, for example, keeps ongoing data about the view of Canadians with climate change. 60% of Alberta's of Albertans think it's a very serious or serious threat. And that may be lower than a lot of the rest of the country, but that is still over 50% of this province believes it is a very serious or serious threat. When you parse that data out more, at the current time, we see almost 70% of Albertans believe it's a serious or very serious threat. So by doing this, that functionally achieves nothing except for a victory of eliminating two words, climate emergency, we're signaling an intent that we want to go back in time on an issue that many people Believe is a thing that needs to be addressed. And I think that there is an actual reputational risk here, as was demonstrated by the answers from administration. That the reputational risk to us is that sure we'll still undertake the action, but this in itself is an action that tells the public about what we intend to do. And so perhaps that will result in accelerated action from us, which would be great. But I'm I just fail to see why we are spending time today doing this. And to me, it speaks to an issue that is itself a special interest issue because 70% of Albertans think that this is real, think that this is happening, think that it's a serious or very serious threat. Would we do this in any other area? What if we declared a public safety emergency? And then we said, well, that's kind of performative. Let's go back and get rid of that. Whereas maybe 70% of Calgarians think that too. And we we're always talking about public engagement and how we need to listen to the public. This keeps coming up again and again with free fare zone, with this, where it's clear the majority of our public believes this is important, yet we are going back and changing things that. Where where an issue like rezoning where we say, well, the public didn't want this, so we're gonna listen to the public. But now two issues where the public cares about this. Now we're saying, No, we're not gonna listen to the public. I don't like this climate word, so let's go back and change that. So th this is performance and it's a step backwards, and I won't be supporting this today.", "segments_merged": 37 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 31435.565, "end": 31445.965, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Schmidt. Um Madam Clerk, do I need unanimous consent to conclude this item? Or is that a change of the procedure by law? That's required.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 31445.965, "end": 31447.605, "text": "I'm sorry, to conclude it before that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 31447.605, "end": 31449.285, "text": "Or sorry, before the dinner break, yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 31449.945, "end": 31454.005, "text": "Uh to modify it, it can be unanimous consent. To suspend it, you would need a motion.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 31454.005, "end": 31475.885, "text": "Oh, sorry. Uh colleagues, do you do you mind if we modify the time of our dinner break to start not concluding this item, but to concluding the motion arising from Councillor Chabot? Just so we're done this topic. Okay, any objection to that? Okay, seeing none, uh, we will start our dinner break, not at the end of this, but the end of the motion arising. Uh Councillor Yule, please.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 31477.505, "end": 31485.785, "text": "Um is this uh a is the declaration a distraction for your team?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 31491.465, "end": 31534.705, "text": "Thank you for the question, Councillor Ewell. The team is quite focused on delivering on the strategy. We know that addressing this challenge is really important to Calgaryans, not only for the city services that they provide, but their experience in the community. So that I would just say that's that is currently where the team is focused is on delivering on the strategy, ensuring that we're providing good value. When it comes to the declaration, we don't lean on the declaration to be able to advance the work or To talk about the work. It is really the strategy and the work that the Declaration did to help help us center and focus not only the work of my team but the entire corporation.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 31535.365, "end": 31545.825, "text": "So uh rescinding of this emergency, um, will it have any perceived uh morale effect on your team?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 31547.745, "end": 31574.705, "text": "Thank you for the question. And thank you for thinking about the team. Of course, I lead a team of very highly passionate and committed people. But as I had mentioned, we we remain focused on the strategy and supporting council in their direction. The notice of motion to declare the climate emergency was a council decision, and to rescind it, it is entirely council's decision as well.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 31575.445, "end": 31578.365, "text": "So the the big thing is the strategy itself.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 31579.085, "end": 31594.385, "text": "Correct. What is most important is the strategy and continuing to fund progress in the strategy. Calgary is a leader in this space. Uh and I think when it comes to the morale of the team and and the the risks that we have to manage, it's important to to continue to be a leader.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 31594.825, "end": 31599.005, "text": "So things like the water efficiency plan came from that strategy.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 31599.905, "end": 31623.865, "text": "Correct. The climate strategy did identify water shortages and concerns as well as that and steps that we can take to be part of it. So there's there's kind of five or six outcomes that are in this in the strategy. The talk about buildings, energy, water, nature, people, and there's another one. But yeah, we have clear focus areas that have actions all outlined in the strategy.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 31624.425, "end": 31633.465, "text": "So it it would be incumbent on us if we do rescind this to really support the strategy and what comes out of the strategy.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 31634.025, "end": 31635.605, "text": "Yes, delivering on the actions.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 31636.825, "end": 31650.485, "text": "Okay. Um 600 Canadian municipalities, so it was a mayor's kind of caucus of like when this this climate emergency trend happened?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 31650.585, "end": 31670.085, "text": "It was a global trend around uh I think part probably started with the Paris Agreement and those commitments to net zero and progress towards them. Uh and Calgary didn't join a number of those commitments until. The late 2000s, uh and then yes, there was just a series of things that had occurred.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 31670.385, "end": 31692.185, "text": "Okay. And we've established there haven't really been any direct funding, but it was the funding through the strategy. Do you foresee any federal funding on the horizon that if we rescind this uh climate emergency, would we lose out on on any potential future anything being telegraphed to your team?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 31692.325, "end": 31725.285, "text": "It's an excellent question. Unfortunately, I I can't predetermine how the federal government would determine any funding requirements. Um, as it states right now, uh the funding that we have received is due to alignment with their uh their uh long-term uh net zero commitments as well as building resiliency into communities. Uh so if the declaration itself is a is a criteria, it's not currently a criteria, but I can't presuppose what um what additional changes they might make into weighting and funding of those pieces.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 31725.605, "end": 31753.585, "text": "Okay. And just corporately, um like you mentioned, we we're one of the top ten insured losses. Is there any other risks in the corporation that would warrant a emergency declaration uh uh above the climate emergency? I don't know that that's kind of an open question to administration. On the risk registry, like", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 31753.645, "end": 31754.005, "text": "Well", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 31754.005, "end": 31757.665, "text": "Should we have should we have declared another emergency outside of climate?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 31758.225, "end": 31792.665, "text": "So I will add that climate and environmental risk is one of the highest risks on your principal corporate risk. We continue to evolve, it's new as of last year, and we continue to evolve that to help inform council with their with their decisions. I would add that again it's a it's a place where we're leading in the space. We have some work under uh underway that is starting to look at the financial cost of inaction for specifically city services. Um and um so so those risks may change on the principal corporate risk, but I I can't say around the um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 31793.465, "end": 31839.925, "text": "Yeah, I would just I would say with respect to emergencies, uh Ms. Flowen had already uh mentioned uh and Mayor Farkas in 2024 when we declared an emergency state of local emergency with respect to the feeder main. I rec can recall before that we'd also declared a state of local emergency as we were preparing for a potential flood that had happened earlier. Uh and so those would be specific items. Uh very localized. I can also think of the the housing emergency that was the crisis that was uh talked about previously. Um but from specific actions I would say we've declared those and then obviously from the principal corporate risk perspective, uh we've identified infrastructure as a very high principal corporate risk, and we're focused on that and uh working through that together.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 31840.185, "end": 31966.945, "text": "Okay. Um yeah, I'll just go into debate. Um I uh I I mean I I would have loved a a fulsome um you know data finding mission before we went ahead and and and rescinded something like this, but I think uh through through the conversations, I understand that you know it it's just like it was said, it was a statement of principle. Um I think it's really important that this council, like, if if this is the direction, if you guys are all on board with strategy, we really need to be listening. Because I know when the water efficiency plan came to council, it was very, very hotly contested. But if if if we're all okay with rescinding the emergency and focusing on strategy, like a very important thing that we all should have done going into this is talking to our climate advisory committee. Basically, on the on the reputational risk. If we're not going to listen to these committees, then you know why do we have them? And and and I I I think it's really important that you know we we aren't the first of these 600 municipalities, you know, stepping back from from a commitment like this. But uh I'll be I'll be voting against it uh out of principle because it is a statement of principle, and I do believe that we are still in a climate emergency. And uh I realize that you know it might be a distraction for some, but I would say the reputational risk uh like I come from an industry of of of recycling, and and we are Alberta, despite you know the the look of Alberta, there are a lot of eco friendly companies looking to come to Alberta, and I don't want to be the first city that that you know rescinds their their emergency. Um so I will be voting no on this.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 31969.645, "end": 31971.785, "text": "All right, over to Councillor Atkinson, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 31973.665, "end": 31981.825, "text": "Um looking at like the climate and environment dashboard, uh how are we doing?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 31985.505, "end": 31991.745, "text": "so with respect to progress, uh I would say most of the metrics are need improvement. Um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 31992.345, "end": 32292.645, "text": "Yeah, that's that's my take. I I'm looking through and it's needs improvement off track. There are a couple that are on track, mostly sort of in the water sort of space, largely because. That's what hit us, I think, harder than probably any others, but uh buildings and homes, corporate governance, energy, mobility, nature and ecology, people, waste and consumption. You look through the metrics on these uh and it's largely needs improvement or off track. So I I'm just gonna go right in debate. We We talk about action versus symbolism, and I don't think that we are doing well on action. We are doing very poorly on action. Even this council alone in our six months here, on terms of the climate file, we've taken away nine million dollars. There's a symbol in that. There's action in that. There's outcomes that come out of the decisions that we have made, let alone previous councils. Which are largely what is accountable to these metrics being where they're at. So to see needs improvement off track from our own sort of corporate report card uh on the the climate and environment dashboard, uh I don't think that we are doing enough on the action side. And it is not because we have A climate emergency declaration in place. The climate emergency declaration in place though is a symbol. And I believe that words and symbols matter. I I think that they do matter. I mean, why why did we have a debate at all around what flags can go up in the municipal plaza? Because it symbols matter. Symbolism matters. Why is onward? Our word of choice for the city. Why do we use it when we talk about things? Why do we have the, you know, a great place to work, live, and play? And all why do we do any of these things? Because words and symbols matter. They chart a course for where you're going. They tell others what you are about. And I think that the words and symbols of having climate be a part of what we're putting out there, especially when we have such little on our report card to actually point to and say that we're doing this well. They matter even more. They matter more because of this city and the industries in which this city is largely rooted and the outward perspective of what this city is. I know what this city is, you all know what this city is, but this city also has a reputational risk just for the kinds of industries that have been a part of this place. And we need to make sure that we are combating that and showing people that we are thinking about the environment. And many of the oil companies and energy companies that are in this place are doing that work. And it is for us to stand alongside them and show that we as a city are putting that out into the world. We have that through words and symbols. And I think more than the words and symbols of having the climate emergency declaration in place. the symbol of removing the climate emergency declaration. That in and of itself is a symbol. That is a symbol that you are casting out into the world. And in that symbol You are making a statement. And it is a large statement. When you are the first municipality to opt out, when you are one of 600 municipalities that says, yeah, we're not playing ball. We're no longer doing this. Climate is something that we all as humanity need to do together. It's why it's different. It's why it's different than the other emergencies. When we experienced the flood, that was a local thing that we experienced in a local way. When we have Hail raining down on us, and we have, you know, we have to turn on the emergency management center. Well, that's a local emergency. This is something that we are experiencing on a global scale, on a human wide scale, and to not join forces with all the other municipalities and say we stand hand in hand, we are on a united front, at least in symbolism, and hopefully in action, it's it's going in the wrong way. Please do not remove this symbolism. And let's do better on the action front.", "segments_merged": 21 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 32293.145, "end": 32294.625, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Kelly, please?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 32296.865, "end": 32542.625, "text": "Thank you, worship. I waited to sort of join here towards the end, not because like I'm not I don't want to offer debate necessarily for my colleagues. I just wanted to get my thoughts on on the record more than anything else. During the campaign, when when I was out door knocking, it came up constantly over and over again. Uh uh uh while it wasn't as big as the blanket rezoning, it certainly was a comment that happened frequently around the idea of uh um uh the previous council and and and the climate emergency. And I said every single time uh that uh uh exactly what we heard today from uh acting GM Newton around it's the the emergency was primarily performative, but the strategy is what matters. Climate risk is real, it is important that we address it, and the strategy is the document that really matters. Uh I'll apologize a little bit as it relates to the the the the declaration, the emergency declaration, just because uh it was the thing that that gave the impetus for the update to the strategy. So I would like to respect and honor uh uh the declaration for having served that purpose. I think it's incredibly important that we had it in order to be able to get us there, but the strategy is the most important thing. Uh I was I I was admitting, I'll admit that I was leaning towards, or I am, was leaning towards rescinding this, voting for this. But there's two things that have happened that are that are sending giving me a lot of pause, which is uh the first one was the uh to I guess a little bit to Councillor Atkinson's point about symbolism. I I'm in on the strategy 100%. The declaration really isn't doing a whole lot. It's only providing additional symbolism for us moving forward, being part of a global movement, et cetera. I don't need to play those politics. I'm happy to let it go if that's the only purpose that it's serving. Um, but when we tried, when we pulled $9 million from the climate budget, and bullet point number two. Specifically here, that we are we're we are positioning ourselves as the language police to say never refer to this document again in a future document in future city reports. That feels entirely unnecessary for me. We already have bullet point number three or a recommendation number three on here that says we won't be referring to it moving forward. To to not want to uh have any additional uh uh uh uh we won't use pardon me, bullet point number three says that we're not going to use the declaration as uh a rationale for something moving forward. But bullet point number two is essentially just like never talk about the declaration ever again in the future. Those the th are the things that are symbolic to me that I'm like, I don't know if I trust us yet, counsel, around this idea of that like words and actions and the while uh while we're saying here that the strategy matters, it's important. I'm not sure that we're all sharing that we're we're all sharing that view. And so as a result, instead of doing what I think is the right thing to do, which is rescinding the climate emergency declaration, I'm gonna vote to keep it in there until we get to a point that I believe that we as a council uh uh are are able to move forward and really take well and true that uh the climate risk that we have, the thing that's uh um uh really moving our uh our our water plan forward and and enabling so many of the other the other choices that we're making at uh at the city. Uh despite the fact that I think that uh the emergency declaration was rather performative and is no longer serving its original purpose. Um I'm gonna keep it for now until we got until I feel comfortable that we've gotten to a point uh that we don't need performative actions uh in order to be able to make sure that uh we move forward in a fulsome way.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 32543.905, "end": 32559.825, "text": "All right, Councillor Kelly. Based on that, I'll I'll call it separately then. So we're we still have folks in the queue, but when we do go to a vote, we'll we'll vote on one uh rescinding the climate emergency, and then we'll vote on two and three after that. Okay, over to uh Councillor Jameson, please.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 32561.985, "end": 32638.865, "text": "Thank you, Chair. I think this is a bit of a distraction in terms, and I'll explain what I mean. Uh Calgarians are facing real affordability pressures, raising taxes, and growing concerns about the city's core responsibilities. It's time we focus City Hall on delivering reliable infrastructure, safe for communities, and value for the taxpayer. Declaring a climate emergency created expectations, bureaucracy, and spending commitments that too often distract from those priorities. Calgary is an energy built city of innovators, workers, and entrepreneurs who continue to lead in responsible resource development and new technologies. We don't spend money on symbolism, we spend it on substance. Canceling this declaration does not mean we are ignoring the environment. It means restoring balance, focusing on practical solutions, and ensuring City Hall is grounded in the realities and priorities of Calgary today. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 12 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 32640.025, "end": 32641.565, "text": "All right, Councillor Johnston to close, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 32645.905, "end": 32828.385, "text": "yeah, so to Councillor Clark's uh comment about uh mid-cycle budget adjustment, um we have a spending problem, or what I thought we had a spending problem at the time. We tried to cut a lot of departments, including IT. Was I wrong? Probably. Um, and so for me, this is a pragmatic approach. This has nothing to do with cutting anything from any department. But it puts it on a level playing field with all other departments. No other departments under an emergency right now. And so we can treat this department based on its actions. And if it's doing well, we should fund it more. If it's struggling or maybe it doesn't require any more money, we can reserve some of that money and put it elsewhere. And so going forward, I'm gonna try to be more pragmatic on our cuts. But we we all attended the same in camera session. Money is going to be tight. And so we're going to have to look across the board on where money needs to be spent. Going to action? Well, we brought it up. We have one of the highest insurance claims in the country. Well, let's figure out why. We live in a hail path. Well, why are we building with vinyl siding? Right? These are decisions we as a council can help influence and create and ensure going forward that we adapt to our surroundings, which we have as a civilization for. Thousands of years. Let's continue doing that. As for funding before, we received funding be because of our climate action plan. We received it currently, and we will receive it after because of the climate action plan. The climate action plan we can't get rid of. That is MGA mandated, right? So let's ensure we do it properly, let's ensure it's efficient, let's ensure it's producing results. As for symbolism, again, symbolism is nothing without action. So I'd rather have no flags flying out front, but a safe, friendly city that we all fall under. I'd rather have a climate, environmentally um sound environment that we all can enjoy without having a symbol of emergency over it. And to Councillor Schmidt's point. We could make an emergency about everything, right? Because we are in an emergency about everything, right? But if everything's emergency, nothing is. So just going forward, I think we can just be better actionably, as to Councillor Atkinson. And it'll be on us going forward to be better governors and ensure that our decisions um respect our surroundings, that we're stewards of the land. And uh I just", "segments_merged": 24 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 32828.385, "end": 32831.485, "text": "We're just at time, so maybe a final sentence to conclude your thoughts.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 32831.485, "end": 32837.905, "text": "Yeah, I just asked that we vote all of these, vote yes to all of these, um, and move forward with action.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 32838.065, "end": 32838.465, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 32838.465, "end": 32838.705, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 32838.905, "end": 32851.385, "text": "Um so madam clerk, let's engage uh the e vote on uh for uh immediately rescinding the climate emergency declaration, the bullet one, and then we'll go to bullet two and three as a separate vote.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 32865.765, "end": 32867.385, "text": "Councillor Dollywall, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_43", "start": 32869.245, "end": 32869.565, "text": "no.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 32870.065, "end": 32873.625, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 32874.165, "end": 32910.245, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 10 to 5 with councillors Schmidt, Kelly, Dallywall, Atkinson, and Yule opposed. And then let's put up uh number two and three on the screen. And this is uh to seize all the reference to the declaration uh the climate emergency having been made, and it's bullet three is ensuring that no future council reports refer to that uh declaration. Let's engage the vote, please.", "segments_merged": 13 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 32921.345, "end": 32922.665, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 32923.105, "end": 32953.905, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results on bullet two and three. That's been defeated uh with councillors Schmidt Kelly. Dallywell, Atkinson, Clark, Yule, Wines, and myself opposed. So given the profile of this uh vote, perhaps, Madam Clerk, would you mind just putting that that whole motion back on the screen and we'll just recap what was adopted and what was not?", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 32955.945, "end": 32956.765, "text": "Just one moment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 32959.385, "end": 32981.925, "text": "So just to be crystal clear for the the public watching, bullet one did pass with the uh rescinding of the declaration, but bullet two and three did not pass, and two and three was the seizing reference to the declaration having been made and the discontinuing of Uh mentioning it in future reports. Okay, so I'm gonna go to Councillor Shabot now and a motion rising, please.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 32983.485, "end": 33167.225, "text": "Thank you. Thank you. Um I sort of mentioned it in my opening, and uh administration provided me with some um additional. Context in regards to what information is currently available. Of course, as was pointed out by my colleague, Councillor Pancopoulos, on page 108 of the 2025 financial report, is uh a very significant summary of some of the financial implications. There are other uh reports, though, the city's quarterly report, uh climate progress report, which is last published in 2023, next planned update, September 2026. Uh climate uh related financial disclosures in May's audit committee on page 89, public facing dashboard. And the 2026 audit. I don't have that report here with me. But there's also priorities and finance committee 2020 2021 0121. Guides on how climate considerations are embedded into planning approvals continuum. And also green building priority stream program. Anyways, what I'm getting at here is there's a number of documents and policies and procedures that are climate related, but they're all in a a bunch of different places. And if somebody wants to look at what the city is all doing with regards to climate related initiatives, I think it would be beneficial to have a single point of reference and call it a uh what did I call it? Uh a uh a portal. um that people could go to and look at what the city's doing specifically related to climate initiatives. There's also um uh plans related to planning. Uh although we don't require it at the moment, there may be some changes in the future that uh sort of Either incentivizes or disincentivizes somebody who's not planning on achieving net zero by 2050. Currently it's more of an incentive and a recommendation rather than an uh required implementation. Again, I think it would be beneficial not only for members of the public, but even for members of council, especially new members of council that would like to have an idea on where we're at with regards to our climate initiatives. So this is hopefully not something that's going to be overly demanding because as a motion arising definitely mirrors up with a a um uh administrative inquiry. If it's inconsequential, I don't believe that this should require too much in resources, but I'll leave it to admin to respond to that if they think it's too. comprehensive then I may need to uh do this as a uh notice of motion but I I do believe it's something that could be done relatively uh easily but uh if somebody wants uh maybe I can ask administration what they think of what's before us.", "segments_merged": 30 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 33167.225, "end": 33198.305, "text": "thank you, Councillor Shabot. Uh yes, we can absolutely uh do this. We already have a landing page. On Calgary.ca for Climate and Environment that has a tracking our progress where you can actually find links to all of these reports all in one place. I will acknowledge that though that the grant funding is not as explicit on there, so it is something that we can easily add, as well as it is a it is a portion that will be included in the climate progress report that will come in September.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 33198.905, "end": 33201.125, "text": "Thanks. Well if it's inconsequential.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 33202.225, "end": 33202.845, "text": "Easy to do.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 33203.345, "end": 33219.285, "text": "Thank you. And sometimes it's we we say, Well, we're doing most of this already and this is just maybe just belts and braces. Okay, fine. It's belts and braces. Anyways, it does tie in with what I was originally intending on doing so thanks for that response. I'll try and address anything in my clothes.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 33220.225, "end": 33228.765, "text": "Alright, that's been moved by Councillor Shabot. Uh seconder, second by Councillor Ewell. Councillor Penizopoulos.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 33229.645, "end": 33303.125, "text": "Thanks so much for bringing this forward and thanks, Councillor Chabot, for uh uh identifying in the financials. Clerks, do you mind just bringing it up? And I just I just you know want to summarize most of this is is already there and and uh I'm actually amazed how how detailed we have. This is the financial, those that are having trouble sleep with apologies to CFO Toker. Um go to the next slide, please, madam clerk. And and it includes or yeah, maybe two more. Yeah, there it is. If you go through, just sort of slide. If you can just go through, you've got uh nine or ten figures, which includes enterprise risk management, um, risk integration, you actually have the detailed financials, you have all of the policies, uh uh deliverables and identifiables, goals, targets, uh, GHG scope. Uh so we we've got all this. So we're certain there. So to create a portal and maybe just at your close, Councillor, um, it looks like it ends the declaration's over as of today, and it seems the motion arising says from the commencement to the end. So maybe just some clarification around there. Because if it's just for historic, great, we upload our financials. Uh and maybe administration, do you do based on what you see this would the 29 pages in the financials go to 32, or what what do you think would be the extension? Like what's missing here that you see there? Uh that's that's it that's skipped in the the the the financials.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 33303.825, "end": 33345.405, "text": "So the climate related financial disclosure is a public sector accounting standard that we are working towards aligned to that will become regulated, a standard in uh in just a few years. Um I think with respect to my comment to Councillor Chabot, it's really just around the grant funding. We don't all we haven't reported the uh uh orders of government and where the funding is coming from. So I I do think that there is an opportunity to uh add additional transparency on who we're getting money from and maybe what focus areas it's uh it's supporting. So that's uh certainly uh an additional piece of transparency we will do.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 33345.625, "end": 33382.105, "text": "I I think that's so important. You mentioned 287 uh and then extra cash coming in today. Uh we have it in our housing. It you know, think of that sort of focus there. So that's really great. I I I said at that audit committee, there's actually more disclosure uh in our f um environmental uh scope than in actually in our MDNA, but our financials, you know, a ten billion dollar organization. So you guys have gone above and beyond. But that's great. If there's some you'll come back at the report, a bit additive. Uh it there should just be at the edges. Like it looks like most of the report is there. You now have a bit of a sequence, um, not a lot of extra. Is that fair? Okay, great. Now thank you so much. Uh thank you, man. Mr. Chair.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 33384.385, "end": 33385.465, "text": "All right, Councillor Clark, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 33385.965, "end": 33395.605, "text": "Yeah, thank you, sir. Um may I ask where where this repl report is currently located? The one that was just presented by Councillor Pantasopoulos?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 33396.385, "end": 33411.005, "text": "So there's a couple of places, but uh the easiest way to access it is if you go to Calgary.ca Climate Environment. There should be an icon at the bottom called tracking our progress and you should be able to see the three streams of reporting that I spoke about.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 33411.305, "end": 33442.905, "text": "Great. And then just in relation to the notice of motion in front of us here, are there do we have other examples of of that sort of like uh particular words or uh documents related to words being pulled and sort of uh Uh to be to maintain a publicly accessible online information portal for the city. Do we have any other examples across our organization? Or is it just I guess what I'm getting at is it feels like we're targeting climate again as sort of a means. So I just would like clarity that have we done this before? Are there other elements?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 33443.305, "end": 33461.545, "text": "Um I I I think in any circumstance we try to be as publicly transparent as possible. I would say in all of the departments. And so there is a number of landing pages for each department where they're where they're reporting on progress and metrics. Uh so this isn't targeting the climate environment department at all.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 33461.645, "end": 33464.945, "text": "Okay. Thank you very much. Council Atkinson, please.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 33466.325, "end": 33516.505, "text": "Well, I believe in transparency of information and whatever. This really just does feel like we're uh putting together a little report of really it's not so bad, guys. Uh um and just sort of collecting it all in one place. It's hard when not even outcomes, the word outcomes. The metrics, the climate and environment dashboard, it's not in here. This is all just justifications on spend. I have a hard time with this as a follow-up to the last piece, especially when we're talking about climate and realistically, what's climate all about? What are we doing all of these things for? It's to change outcomes, and that's not even in this notice of motion. So let the guilt weigh on your conscience so that you make better actions next time. I'll be voting no.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 33518.885, "end": 33657.385, "text": "Uh I think we're done the queue. I'll jump in and debate. Um happy to support this. Uh the the central reason is we need to show and demonstrate the business case for these investments around climate, environment, resiliency, and and the the city of Calgary. Regardless of the public misinformation and disinformation that existed around the climate emergency declaration, the City of Calgary, the amazing team that's represented by Ms. Newton, the work that's being done, not just on uh this, but also GM Thompson as well, your teams. Almost everything that the City of Calgary does touches stewardship, good stewardship of the land, uh, the environment, uh, all of the rest. And I think. Showing this, I don't know if it's going to be like trying to drain uh uh the ocean with a bucket based on the level of misinformation and BS that exists out there, but I think it's worth a shot. Uh for me as the mayor, I get a great chance to be able to see every day a lot of the great work that's being done by city staff, the amazing projects, uh the various organizations we get to partner with every day. And if this can just a little bit push back and demonstrate the truth of the work that is being done here, I think it is worth a shot at a minimum. It pushes back on that BS $87 billion number that still seems to maybe I'm just repeating it kind of like Betelgeuse. It'll uh it'll appear in a showtime anytime now. But any event, long winded way of me saying. Council, please call uh please support this. Uh it's relatively straightforward and easy for city administration to be able to provide. And again, as we're trying to build the case for these investments in our next four-year budget, it's really, really important to show Calgarians the actions of what we're delivering around this and not just the uh necessarily the uh quote unquote performance that Calgaryans perceived from the climate emergency declaration. So just final opportunity to say thank you to uh Nicole Newton, your team, uh, for everything that you do every single day. You're a central part of why we are in public service. And great credit to your team for the work that you do, and uh let's keep on, keeping on, on work. Back to Councillor Deputy Mayor Chabot to close, please.", "segments_merged": 23 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 33657.985, "end": 33768.545, "text": "Yeah, I'll try and be brief. I I'm looking for a single point of reference, albeit that it's referencing everything that's happened since the climate emergency. That I'm not saying to stop just because we're uh rescinded the the declaration for climate emergency. We do have a report coming back in September 20 uh 26. And in insofar as deliverables and and and KPIs, again, the I'm looking for you know a landing page to make sure that everything goes to one centralized location so that the general public can access easily and and and efficiently so that that whenever somebody has a question, we can say, Go here. Rather than spend a whole bunch of time trying to explain it, 'cause I've I can't tell you how many times I've heard uh from members of the public when Uh when uh when I make a decision on something they go, Why did you do that? Why did you vote for that? And why did you support that? And then I start explaining it and they go, You know what? I I don't have time to listen to your explanation. Because you're because you're having to explain it, you've already lost me. If I can say, listen, you know what, those are that's a great question. Why don't you go here? And and look at that. And if you're still not satisfied with the responses, I'm happy to have a conversation with you about why it is that I voted the way I did. But at least it's a central point that we can point to folks that may talk about the 87 billion as an example. And again, if we're getting other orders of government to contribute financially to our objectives, why wouldn't we want to showcase that? Especially because if Calgaryans can see that we're getting some of our money back from other orders of government, yay, let's celebrate that. Um, anyways, I hope you can support this. Close.", "segments_merged": 16 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 33769.845, "end": 33772.325, "text": "All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the evote, please, on this.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 33784.385, "end": 33785.605, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 33786.545, "end": 33953.385, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried. 13 to 2. Counselors Dallywall and Atkinson opposed. So, colleagues, before I bang the gavel for our uh dinner uh recess, I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge our Chief Operating Officer, Stuart Dalgeleish. This is actually his final city council meeting with us, and what a final meeting to have. Stewart started here at the city of Calgary as a business intern in 1988. I think a year after I was born. 1988. That is a whopping. Whopping 37 years and Calgary has grown by almost one million people since then. And Stewart has played an important role in helping us plan and accommodate that growth for one million people. And Stewart and I get to see this, and I got to see this in a in a in a boardroom earlier today with uh Councillor Ewell. But uh Stewart has built lasting relationships with uh integral city partners, has helped us forge ahead with projects like building the central library, the the BMO Center, and also breaking ground on the new event center, which many of us thought would never ever happen. But he was still there. He played a fundamental leadership role in revitalizing our downtown, helping set us up well on our way to converting 6 million square foot of empty office space. He helped set records in housing starts to address Calgary's housing crisis. And he has built strong working relationships with many new counselors and mayors, myself included, helping deliver on their agendas with rigor and professionalism. Stuart is a champion of community and belonging. He eagerly put up his hand to join the newly established Anti-Racism Committee in 2020. And colleagues, uh, I don't believe any of you around the table at that moment in time, but that was up until that point in time the longest public hearing that the city of Calgary had experienced, and it was no small task for you, uh Stuart, to put up your hand at that moment of time, not just in terms of the workload, but the level of promise and attention that the community had demanded. In terms of us acting corporately, not just at the political level, but the unelected level. You're also you're being you become a trusted uh steward of the Beaver Lodge Teepee, gifted to you by the Blackfoot Traditional Knowledge Keepers in 2023. Uh a demonstration of your commitment every single day for truth and reconciliation. And one thing that always", "segments_merged": 25 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 33953.385, "end": 33954.265, "text": "Has shined out", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 33954.265, "end": 34017.565, "text": "or shines through about you, Stuart, are your values. You always lead with integrity first, followed by innovation and learning, and you believe. You believe that we should always put people in their perspectives first. So, Council colleagues, all of you here present, and the many of you who in the public who may be watching, please join me in thanking Stuart for an incredible 37 years of service here at the city of Calgary, and join me in wishing him the best for the road ahead. You want to say something? Tell us what it is like. What are you having for dinner tonight?", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 34021.725, "end": 34128.405, "text": "The regular council dinner. Obviously. Thank you, Mayor. That was incredibly kind and uh gracious of uh of you and uh all members of council and administration and everybody in the gallery for uh for this uh for this acknowledgement. Uh this has uh this career has been absolutely incredible. Uh it has been, yes, it's been a long career, but uh every single day uh the work that we do, the folks who we work with, the partners who we work with, uh just brings great and incredible value personally, has always brought brought great and incredible value personally to me. And uh I believe in turn to the folks who we serve being the citizens of Calgary, the businesses of Calgary, and everybody who uh we need to make sure uh we're here to make lives better for every single day. And so uh I simply uh say thank you. Uh it gives me great, great pride to know that there is a team of great, great folks who uh I'll retire in a couple of weeks, but there is a team of great, great folks who will continue to do this uh great work that we do, and to use a term that was uh that was used earlier just in this council meeting, we'll continue to press onward. And so to all of you who will continue to do that work, my thanks to you for the time that we spent together serving Calgarians and for what you will do here in the future to serve Calgarians and Calgary businesses as we press forward with uh with this important work that we uh that we do. So thank you once again for the opportunity. Uh I am looking forward to uh all that comes next. Uh there's lots in that, and uh uh but the first thing is going to be uh I am going to enjoy summer in Calgary and uh very much looking forward to that. Thank you, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 34128.405, "end": 34129.005, "text": "Thank you, Stewart.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 34133.545, "end": 34157.725, "text": "And and if I may, I'd like to invite uh all members of city administration to please cross the bar, please approach and come up here. Let's come in tight and let's do one big group final group photo with uh Stuart here. So please, if uh members of city administration, please come approach, join us on the other side in the in the chamber here. And members of council, come in real tight and hopefully we can beg somebody to take our photo.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 34167.345, "end": 34176.545, "text": "Thank you, sir. I'll sit up straight.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 34192.285, "end": 34193.205, "text": "Yeah, I'm gonna have to go way back.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 34197.145, "end": 34198.085, "text": "This week we need", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 34198.185, "end": 34198.865, "text": "Everyone get in ready.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 34198.605, "end": 34199.205, "text": "Yeah, in real time.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 34199.205, "end": 34208.545, "text": "we need Perenzo, we need Dev, Kitjoy. Come on in. Tighter, closer.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 34212.365, "end": 34214.485, "text": "Can we can we see you?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 34215.305, "end": 34216.085, "text": "Come on in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 34216.085, "end": 34218.645, "text": "I think you gotta go a little further with Jeremy.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 34218.745, "end": 34219.965, "text": "No, no. Come on in here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 34219.965, "end": 34227.265, "text": "You got everybody? Chris too? I see a back injury.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 34228.425, "end": 34230.185, "text": "All right, smiler. One, two, three.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 34232.845, "end": 34247.545, "text": "Okay. Awesome. Thank you. Colleagues, uh I have to depart for a family commitment.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 34248.285, "end": 34269.765, "text": "So I don't have skin in the game for this question, but typically our dinner break would be an hour 15. Do you want to come back in one hour? Is there any objection to that? Coming back at uh 7 or rather coming back at 8 45 with uh Deputy Mary Shabot in the chair? Sorry. seven forty five. Okay, is there no objection to taking one hour only for the dinner break?", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 34270.705, "end": 34274.125, "text": "I was seven thirty, forty five. Seven thirty five. Seven thirty?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 34274.125, "end": 34274.345, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 34274.345, "end": 34275.245, "text": "Do I hear seven thirty?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 34275.245, "end": 34287.785, "text": "I hear it's a bit of an auction here. How about 45 minutes? 7 30. Is there any objection to coming back at 7 30? Okay, no objection. We will come back at 7 30 with Deputy Mary Shabot in the chair.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 34291.665, "end": 34310.005, "text": "The role. Councillor McLean, Councillor Pentezopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wynus, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Clark, Councillor Dollywall.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 5 Raj Dhaliwal", "start": 34311.185, "end": 34311.525, "text": "Here", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 34311.905, "end": 34316.345, "text": "Councillor Jameson, Councillor Johnston, Councillor Kelly,", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 34316.565, "end": 34316.885, "text": "President.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 34317.085, "end": 34318.245, "text": "and Deputy Mayor Shabot.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 34318.845, "end": 34319.705, "text": "Uh also present.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 34319.845, "end": 34320.185, "text": "Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34323.905, "end": 34331.865, "text": "Thank you. Um I don't have my describe up yet. So can you tell where can you where we're at?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 34332.605, "end": 34344.125, "text": "Certainly. The next item up is item 9.4.11, notice of motion, providing water bottles for council chambers. And that notice of motion is sponsored by Councillor Johnston and Councillor Wyness.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 34345.445, "end": 34349.225, "text": "Hey, uh Councillor Johnson's motion. You want to introduce it?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 34349.845, "end": 34363.345, "text": "Yeah, again, I sent my debate ahead of time. Um, it should be pretty simple, just reversing uh a bylaw that prevented water bottles being stocked in certain areas, and I would just like to reverse that. So that's it.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34365.385, "end": 34375.685, "text": "Clear. The motion is to still retain the the water fountain in the back and supplement it with water bottles.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 34376.625, "end": 34396.045, "text": "Oh, sorry, I thought it was clear. Um it's to rescind a bylaw um that. Prevented water bottles from being stocked. Um, and part of that bylaw was to introduce water fill stations throughout the building. Those still stay there.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34396.265, "end": 34399.425, "text": "Okay, so it's not to eliminate the water filtration system.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 34399.425, "end": 34435.045, "text": "No, that that still exists. Um, and so sorry, the financial risk of this would be about twenty one hundred dollars a year to restock water bottles throughout council meetings, council chambers, ward offices. Um, and again, that cost is based off of what was used before. The bylaw was introduced. Um, but that was before we had water fill st fill stations, so I would imagine the water bottle usage would be quite a bit lower. Um, but again, it's a simple reversal of a bylaw. That's it.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34436.445, "end": 34472.285, "text": "Have a seconder for that motion. Um and Councillor Wynus is the one who initially uh had co-signed that motion, right? But she's not present. Okay, so seconded by Councillor McLean, and I'm just looking to get myself back in the queue here with my e scribe, so bear with me for a second so I can track the speakers list, unless you guys want to use the manual technology. Councillor McLean.", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 34473.245, "end": 34474.385, "text": "Okay, go ahead, Councillor McClain.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 34474.525, "end": 34550.625, "text": "Are we talking our our way through things here? Uh yeah, quickly. Um to me it's not so much about I've got my own props today. I feel refill my water. I also like a water bottle. When people come to my office, that's the big deal. I mean, I don't mind going to their own water bottle up, but we're a six billion dollar corporation, folks. I can go to my get my haircut like I did yesterday. Nobody complimented me on it. Thank you very much. Barber gives me a bottle of water. Almost anywhere, you go to the lawyer or whatever. I mean, it's not uncommon to go somewhere and then they provide you with a bottle of water. So when I've got guests coming in, important meetings with important Calgary business, and then my staff, we gotta go in, we gotta go get Phil six glasses of water up. I want to give him a water bottle. I don't get it. I mean, you can have cans, we can have plastic bottle bottle thingies. It's just not a big deal. We're six billion dollar corporation folks. We can do both. We can chew down, we can walk. And sometimes that water bottle is nice to hand to. My guest is the biggest thing here. So it's not about the environment, it's not about The money. It's not a it's just common sense. I think this is silly that we're doing this in the first place, but bring the water bottles back so I can give my guests a water bottle.", "segments_merged": 21 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 34552.705, "end": 34556.325, "text": "Okay, thanks, uh Councillor McLean. Councillor Panthezopoulos.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 34556.825, "end": 34565.085, "text": "I'm going to vote in favor of this so that when I'm an old man on my deathbed, I have the comfort knowing that no other Councillor from Ward 6 ever has to debate water bottles.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34568.985, "end": 34582.405, "text": "Sorry. Um I'm not sure. I'm not seeing anyone else in the queue. Back to uh", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 34582.945, "end": 34586.325, "text": "oh, sorry. Uh Councillor Harrison with a motion arising. Okay, so", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34587.005, "end": 34587.785, "text": "uh not to debate.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 34588.485, "end": 34594.765, "text": "Yeah, no, thank you, Chair. I have a motion arising. Already you've set with the clerks and submitted to council as of yesterday.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34595.445, "end": 34597.645, "text": "Okay, so following the decision on this", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 34597.645, "end": 34599.385, "text": "Following the decision on this, just to be clear.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34599.725, "end": 34609.645, "text": "okay, thanks. Uh closed most closed, did you say? All right. Uh Madam Clerk or Mr. Clerk, can you please cue up the e scribe?", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 34619.765, "end": 34628.405, "text": "Deputy Mayor Shabot, just to confirm, we have launched the vote on recommendation number one first to rescind. Following that, we can launch the vote on the second one to implement it.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34639.205, "end": 34643.745, "text": "Rescind so the second one is to sorry.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 34645.525, "end": 34671.985, "text": "The motion was structured in two parts. The first part was to rescind a previous council decision, which was contained in a motion arising, that where was it, the Drugs Administration to discontinue providing bottled water. Should this recommendation pass, then council would be able to vote on the second one, which would reintroduce the direction for administration to stock water bottles.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34672.005, "end": 34687.125, "text": "Okay, thanks. Is everyone clear on that? All right. So and if everyone's already voted, then do you have the results? Please display them. No, still wait for some votes. First motion is to rescind the previous direction.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 34689.445, "end": 34696.765, "text": "Councillor Tyres, your vote, please. She's absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Chabot, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34697.125, "end": 34732.045, "text": "Please display the results. And that motion is carried 8 5 with Councillor Schmidt, Kelly, Atkinson, Clark, and Yule voting against. So the second motion. Is now on the screen. Is everyone clear on the question? All right. Please uh initiate the description.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 34746.425, "end": 34753.065, "text": "Councillor Tyres is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Shabot, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34753.385, "end": 34763.545, "text": "Please display the results. That motion is also carried eight to five with Councillor Schmidt, Kelly, Atkinson, Clark, and you all voting against.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 34764.245, "end": 34767.385, "text": "Uh Councillor Harrison. Motion arise.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 34767.865, "end": 34773.885, "text": "Yeah, thank you. Clerks, could we see that on the screen please? And of course I have my glasses.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 34773.885, "end": 34775.205, "text": "It's coming in just one moment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 34775.205, "end": 34868.085, "text": "No stress. Yeah. Um I thought, you know, this isn't a conversation that I would have ever thought I'd be having here, but here we are. So I thought let's further the conversation. Let's have let's have the whole conversation. I think that, you know, this idea of whether or not it's okay to have water bottles in office, you know, whether like the original decision to rescind it or to uh to remove the water bottles was uh one like of one of virtue, one of a particular attitude. Now we would like to bring them back as a means to provide access and confirm that that point of view was wrong. So I just invite us all to perhaps look at all single-use consumables in in the chamber and in our offices here. I've I think it's it's a bit uh it's a bit ridiculous, really. I think it it costs this city about $25,000 to $30,000 a year to deliver this service. Each one of us has a ward budget, and instead of wasting council's time to have a conversation about whether or not we should have water bottles, why don't we remove them and invite each Councillor to purchase them through their ward budget? And that way we are not only aligning with our values of transparency and accountability, but each individual then can be, you know, measured by their residents as to how virtuous they are. So I think it's actually quite straightforward and I think it's a wonderful notion. Um and I look forward to discussing it.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34869.285, "end": 34870.845, "text": "Just uh before you um", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 34871.545, "end": 34872.765, "text": "I suppose I need a second, don't I?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34872.765, "end": 34879.765, "text": "close on that, um, just wanted to be clear about your um intent. Would this include uh coffee as well?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 34880.745, "end": 34892.945, "text": "Uh so these K cups, I know like we we talked about the declaration of the uh an emergency of around environment. Um yeah, I think they're one of the most detrimental things that we could do, so I'd be very glad to see them leave. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34893.125, "end": 34895.885, "text": "But that means that we could still have other coffee.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 34895.885, "end": 34899.185, "text": "Coffee pots, please, bring back the coffee pot, bring back the kettle,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34899.325, "end": 34899.685, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 34899.685, "end": 34901.065, "text": "bring back the coffee pot and kettle.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34901.065, "end": 34902.025, "text": "Want to be clear on", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 34902.025, "end": 34905.945, "text": "It was good enough for our grandparents. It's good enough for us. Good enough for me.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 34906.145, "end": 34917.145, "text": "what your intent was. Thank you. Thank you, sir. We have a seconder for that? Seconded by Councillor Schmidt. Okay, let's see who's in the queue. Uh", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 34918.685, "end": 34922.905, "text": "not sure where I left off here. Uh Councillor Weines? I think you're up first.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 34923.025, "end": 34996.385, "text": "Thanks. Um I I hear your frustration on the fact that you never thought we'd have to debate water bottles. However, we have to vote on policy. And so we have the office of the Councillor, which is a budget of the combined total of all of our budgets. Uh the reason this is here is because we are in this room all day. 48 hours maybe. We we we're almost gonna might as well buy us sleeping bags because we're gonna be living in this chamber with how this council debates. Uh and and so it's what budget item do we pull from? When you're in your office, you still have the ability to do exactly what your displa the your idea is. But when we're in chambers where the the water bottle policy was actually addressing, should come out of the office of the Councillor's budget, not individuals, or else we're all gonna be running back to our offices to actually do it. So I get your frustration over debating a policy over water bottles, but it's just how we have to govern the direction and budget items that we we govern. And so I won't be supporting this because I do get it. It is frustrating that this even had to be a notice of motion to fix a policy. Um, but I don't think we need to level up the frustration of how we have to govern. So I won't support this.", "segments_merged": 21 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 35000.665, "end": 35003.265, "text": "Thanks, uh Councillor Weinus. Councillor Schmidt, you're up.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 35003.985, "end": 35025.305, "text": "Uh just perhaps, Councillor Clark, in your close, I think I know why it says accept water bottle, accept bottled water. Um But perhaps explain why that is the exception for us in your close. If you wish, you don't need to. But that's all from me.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 35028.085, "end": 35031.465, "text": "Um so and uh am I able to close then? Is there anyone sorry.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35031.645, "end": 35041.425, "text": "No. No, no, no. Not to um so I s Council, you're Councillor Schmidt, you're done?", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 35042.385, "end": 35046.445, "text": "Okay. Uh Councillor Pantizopoulos, you want to split the items?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35047.245, "end": 35058.765, "text": "And I believe they do stand on their own. Um Madam Clerk, do you agree with that? Do they both stand on their own? Okay. So yes, we can do that.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 35059.645, "end": 35060.645, "text": "Councillor Johnson.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 35062.165, "end": 35137.865, "text": "Yeah, just to uh Councillor Clark's uh comments there about being virtuous. Um I mean, just because something is available to us doesn't mean we have to use it. And uh I mean the corporate world is new to me, so I've never experienced getting fed at work before, and clearly I've been taking advantage of that. Um, but at the same time, I can bring my own lunch to work most days because I can, right? That's how I've always done it. So I can understand the more into this job I go, the more I understand the necessity of some of what historically has taken place when it comes to food and beverages. And Councillor McLean made a good point. it it's normal as I see now to provide a little bit of subsidence sub sub sub subsidence sustenance um for our guests um and I I I don't know I mean I agree with this but at the same time I don't so I guess this debate was pointless so I'll just leave it there.", "segments_merged": 19 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 35140.725, "end": 35143.425, "text": "Not seeing any further lights. Back to you to close, Councillor Harrison.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 35143.485, "end": 35193.085, "text": "Yeah, thank you, sir. Um yeah, you know, honestly, uh I think I'm I'm glad to pose the question. I I would like each of us to take responsibility for the way that we vote on it for sure. I think I just wanted to, I suppose you're right, Councillor Wyneus, reinforce the point. It wasn't long ago that I was uh that we were sort of we got a talking down about the performative nature of a letter to the province about Aish, Aish support. So I thought, and then to come back with a uh notion on bottled water. I thought it was it's good. We need to acknowledge this. So I think that I stand by the idea that I think each of us should take responsibility for this and wear it in your own budget, and then that way you can have these conversations in your communities about the things that you buy to sustain yourself through the day and all this hard work. Um, so I hope that you will support this and take responsibility. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35194.065, "end": 35203.245, "text": "So uh clerks, are we ready to uh put them up one at a time? Thank you. First motion is going to be recommendation number one.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 35203.505, "end": 35203.945, "text": "Correct.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35204.745, "end": 35211.385, "text": "All right. Is everyone clear on the question? Yes? Council?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 35211.385, "end": 35215.525, "text": "Just to be clear, this is just saying hey, we're we're gonna try to reduce it. We're not taking everything away.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35216.085, "end": 35217.565, "text": "That's correct. It's just", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 35217.725, "end": 35218.605, "text": "This just says", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35218.605, "end": 35224.325, "text": "commitment to reduce the use of single use items and necessary consumption within council control spaces.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 35225.505, "end": 35227.965, "text": "Yeah. Okay. It either way, I don't know.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35228.365, "end": 35249.485, "text": "It kind of implies that they're gonna stop providing single use items, i.e. water bottles. And if this was put forward at the same time as a water bottle as um an amendment, it would have been rule contrary, just to be clear. So, are we clear on the question? Okay, let's launch the e-vote, please.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 35262.125, "end": 35275.665, "text": "Councillor Tyres is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Shabot, all the votes are in. All the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35276.325, "end": 35305.665, "text": "Display the results. That motion is defeated five to eight with counselors Ward, Johnson, Dollywall, Atkinson, Jameson, Shabot, Wynus, and McLean voting against. Second motion. Everyone's clear on the motion. Please launch the e scribe.", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 35319.265, "end": 35323.885, "text": "Councillor Tyres is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Shabot, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35324.105, "end": 35359.025, "text": "Please display the results. And that motion is defeated four to nine. Councillor's ward. Johnson, Kelly, Daliwall, Panthesopoulos, Jameson, Shabot, Wynus, and McLean voting against. Um, question for Madam Clerk in light of the fact that the first recommendation passed, what would be the method of uh providing water bottles? Who would provide that and how would it be then voted into the fruit?", "segments_merged": 9 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 35359.025, "end": 35408.065, "text": "Thank you for the question, Councillor Shabot. So council services staff, so your council services liaison staff that support you administratively. At this point, it is their role to stock the council chamber fridge as well as the meeting spaces. This will be a significant impact on their workload. The team was stocking approximately 10 to 12 pallets previously. So we'll have to strategize to see how we're going to be procuring that volume of water and more. And supplying it to all the meeting spaces as well as offices. So we'll take that away and we will come up with a strategy, how to place an order, where to pick up the order, and we'll have a communication to you shortly.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35408.785, "end": 35410.545, "text": "And communication by way of a briefing?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 35411.425, "end": 35426.965, "text": "It could certainly be a briefing on a future council agenda in terms of what the strategy is, or I could put it into your um council hub once we are online with the system and once we have a vendor and we're set up to um Receive that much water.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35428.305, "end": 35451.345, "text": "Okay, I think it would be beneficial to have that information. Including uh any budgetary implications. All right, thanks. Next item, which is supercharged sidewalks, 9.4.1 point, 9.4.12. Is that correct?", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 35451.345, "end": 35456.845, "text": "In 9.4.12, Councillor Shabot, this is supercharged sidewalk remediation and it's Councillor Johnston.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 35457.245, "end": 35461.945, "text": "Council Johnson, you uh you have another notice of motion? You have the floor.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 35463.025, "end": 35555.845, "text": "Yeah I have another one after this too but um supercharged sidewalk so We had a presentation a couple months back about some really bad trees and sidewalks that are getting to the point of needing repair. And a lot of these are getting worse as we speak. Even ones that were repaired last year are now in state of repair. These poplar trees are getting out of control. And as far as I know, These we're not replacing poplar trees with poplar anymore, which is smart. Um, but it's very dangerous for people walking around in these neighborhoods that have um the two bad trees, bad sidewalks. And so there's 292 highlighted that are at the point where they need to be replaced. And for me to get these replaced now would show initiative that. Infrastructure is important to this council. We did uh notice a motion last month about maintaining the uh grass, uh sorry, to supercharge the grass maintaining. Um and so to me, this is just again providing a service quicker on some of the worst trees and sidewalks out there. So I'm looking for support on this and uh hope you vote yes.", "segments_merged": 17 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35558.165, "end": 35569.225, "text": "Um so question for administration in regards to the FSR 2.4 million. Is that going to uh put the FSR in any kind of jeopardy?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 35571.965, "end": 35586.025, "text": "Uh thank you. Uh taking uh two point four million from the FSR uh won't put it in jeopardy, but it'll continue to uh decrease the amount we have uh in the FSR as we head into budget deliberations.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35586.265, "end": 35592.145, "text": "And is there any contributions that have been added this fiscal year from last year's positive variance?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 35592.785, "end": 35626.465, "text": "That has been added and we're currently sitting at about 9.1% relative to the minimum of five and the target of 15. And then as we bring our quarterly report to exec committee in the next couple weeks, we'll be highlighting what our current year positive variance is. And then depending on the utilization of that, that amount at the end of this year would then be used to increase the FSR.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35627.445, "end": 35633.105, "text": "Or utilized for other purposes? Is there anything in the queue right now to further draw down the F FSR that you know of?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 35635.585, "end": 35661.005, "text": "I would say right now no, but um there are a number of uh notice motions that uh we have and so depending on um the substance of those, uh those often are uh drawing on the FSR throughout the year. And then um as we go through this year's budget deliberations, that'll be a conversation for any of the one time items that we're discussing.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35661.085, "end": 35665.225, "text": "However, the intent of this notice of motion is to draw it down immediately, right?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 35665.385, "end": 35666.265, "text": "That is correct.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35666.265, "end": 35666.485, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 35666.485, "end": 35667.045, "text": "That's my understanding.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35667.045, "end": 35698.245, "text": "Want to be clear. And everything else is going to be debated at budget. All right. Thanks. No further questions for me. Um just want to say um being as this stems from my notice of motion. Um it's kind of hard for me to uh vote against something that's uh ultimately going to accelerate a program. I'm not sure whether or not administration is uh able to actually deliver on all of this. Uh I'm not sure if they need to speak to that, but Mr. Morgan, do you want to respond?", "segments_merged": 11 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 35698.245, "end": 35709.765, "text": "We worked with uh uh with Councillor Johnson and evaluated we can uh get the work started this year. We may uh bleed a little bit into next year, but the majority of the work can be done on both the sidewalks and the trees.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35710.445, "end": 35726.385, "text": "Excellent. Thank you. And if the uh pictures that I saw that were that were included in the original notice of motion uh are the areas that will be uh addressed. Um I would say I I probab my area probably stands to benefit from some of this money.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 35727.245, "end": 35750.725, "text": "Uh yes, so that we have prioritized based on trees that are in poor shape as well as sidewalks. A reminder for council that if we do get reports of a safety item, whether it's a tree or a sidewalk, we will dispatch our crews immediately to keep it in a safe condition. So these are a proactive in poor condition assets that we would um we would uh address in this year.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35751.445, "end": 35766.585, "text": "Yeah, no, this is um this is a problem citywide. If you can uh make uh uh pedestrian movement uh safer, uh we're hearing all kinds of problems right now, so this is just one of the issues that will help to improve uh pedestrian safety, so happy to support it.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 35766.865, "end": 35769.185, "text": "Chair, sorry to interrupt, but we do need a seconder.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35769.765, "end": 35771.825, "text": "Oh, do have a seconder,", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 35773.125, "end": 35773.865, "text": "Councillor Jameson.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35776.305, "end": 35783.505, "text": "I if there wasn't one, I would have left the chair. Thanks. Um any further debate?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 35783.645, "end": 35784.785, "text": "Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 35786.505, "end": 35907.445, "text": "Yeah, uh this work, I in my opinion, definitely needs to be done. Um Personally though, I'd rather see this on the prioritization list, see where it compares to everything else. $2.4 million is a significant outlay. I've heard from multiple other members of council that uh uh that they're concerned about uh the overall potential tax increase in in in 2027 and beyond. So I I would definitely think that the the most prudent course of action uh based on what we heard from Gia Morgan that uh all the safety issues are being addressed currently and throughout this year. Uh this is mainly about being uh about fixing the ones that we know that need to be fixed. Doesn't sound like there's an urgency to me to take this out of the prioritization queue. So uh I would much rather see this be uh be brought forward in the in the 2027 uh uh 2030 budget rather than drawing down our FSR uh for something that. I I don't think needs to needs to be done this year. I I recognize Councillor Johnson in his open said that uh we did do something similar to this uh previously as it related to the tr uh to parks uh maintenance, but that was based off of a council directive to um uh uh a council directive in order to be able to excuse me uh a council directive. To um uh to change our level of service moving forward. So um from that point of view, I think that it to me it makes sense that we would move this just to 2027 and take a look at it so we have an ability to um uh we have an ability to compare it against other uh other items at that particular moment in time. Um with that maybe I will uh I'll leave it there.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 35908.505, "end": 35910.585, "text": "Thanks, Councillor Kelly. Uh Councillor McLean.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 35911.765, "end": 35945.125, "text": "Uh thanks, Chair. This remind number one, this is super important. This is dangerous to residents. You know, they want this fixed. It reminds me of the last council when we had potholes. Everybody knows about potholes. People we neglected potholes. So Councillor DeMont came up and it was fifty million dollars. More significant. Out of FSR, which we have uh hundreds of millions of dollars in there. I don't know what what can I ask? What's the do I need to ask? Is it 150 million? What's uh can I ask administration what's in FSR right now?", "segments_merged": 12 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 35946.305, "end": 35948.085, "text": "Uh we're approximately at four hundred million.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 35948.205, "end": 35986.025, "text": "400 million. Okay, so significant, a couple million bucks. 50 million, the public love that. The message is when we want to be fixed a whole bunch of potholes and increase the pavement. That was something that we're here to do. This is sidewalks. Just go with in the in the burbs and woodlands. I've got some mature neighborhoods. You know, people with pregnant ladies pushing a baby, carriage, gateboard, scooters. This is a no-brainer. This is two $2.7 million. It's it's compared to $400 million. I out of FSR again. This isn't going out going to our budget. This is important. And I and good on you, Councillor Johnson, for identifying this as an immediate. urgent thing to be done, so please support this.", "segments_merged": 13 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 35987.245, "end": 35990.345, "text": "Thanks, Councillor McLean. Councillor Harrison, you're up.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 35994.845, "end": 36009.625, "text": "Thank you, sir. Um, I just a question for administration. How far reaching is this program? Will all wards see it? I mean, is it concentrated in one ward? Do we uh like this particular program that this notice of motion is referencing? Uh", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36011.025, "end": 36035.285, "text": "I'll give you a preamble and then I'll ask the experts from our business units. We have tree problems across the city. We have sidewalk problems across the city. So we do have separate programs to look at that. This we zeroed in on the poplar interaction with sidewalks, but I'll let uh our reps in mobility and parks talk a bit about the the focus of those. There are some neighborhoods that are more heavily populated with poplars than others.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 36035.285, "end": 36035.625, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36043.485, "end": 36048.785, "text": "Hi, through the chair. I'm uh Paul Atkinson. I'm the uh urban forestry lead and I'm here with my colleague.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 36049.225, "end": 36053.925, "text": "Hi, my name is Charmaine Bieler. I'm the manager of construction and materials and mobility.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 36055.365, "end": 36058.525, "text": "Not sure if you heard the question, but wanted to know if uh", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36058.525, "end": 36083.945, "text": "Uh we yeah, we did. So I think it's wards four, six, and ten where you have the predominant um number of these trees from the 292, and this was category A condition, which we presented in our report previously, which is where we have uh deficient trees that meet removal criteria and deficient sidewalks that meet repair criteria already. So it's a component of the overall program that we recommended earlier.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 36084.685, "end": 36095.505, "text": "Okay. Yeah, thank you. I'll just say that it's nice to meet the Urban Forestry Lead because there's been lots of conversation around trees. Um, so it's a pleasure to meet you. Thank you. And and your colleague as well. Pardon me. Thanks.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 36096.245, "end": 36099.205, "text": "uh thank you, Councillor Harrison. Uh Councillor Pantasopoulos, you're up.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 36099.385, "end": 36124.125, "text": "Thanks so much. I I was pulling up the March 11th IPC and I made a comment on my notes about there's a report. The IPC IPC report seems to state will prepare a report in Q3 with cost and tree condition level of service. So is a scarp for the horse? Do we actually know uh I could find the exact language, but it it seemed to imply that we need a report to come and then we're going. So what are the 250 odd trees that you're Targeting.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36124.365, "end": 36137.985, "text": "Yeah, through the chair, these are the situations that already meet both repair and removal criteria. So it's not the whole program, it's that component of the program that we know for sure already meets actionable criteria.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 36138.525, "end": 36140.945, "text": "Got it. So the report that's coming through. Oh, go ahead.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36140.945, "end": 36162.105, "text": "Yeah, and maybe I'll chime in. So, what we perceived is that we would bring to council a level of service for sidewalks and a level of service for trees so that we could talk about the quality of each, and then as we work through those programs, you would reach the outcome of getting to these queries. But we wanted you to have the choice of how much investments you wanted to make and what the impact would be. That was going to be the third quarter.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 36162.565, "end": 36180.965, "text": "Got it. Got it. I'm trying to get some work done in my backyard, and every greens person is full until August or September. Um, because we're calling a wee bit too late. Uh just just talk through that. Your summer crew, you know, students, etc. Um, yeah. Uh how would this fit into the uh the schedule?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36181.625, "end": 36205.525, "text": "So from the tree perspective, we'll speak to that first. Um we have existing contractor contracts in place, and they have the ability to scale up their operations this season to get the removals done. And we would be doing um We anticipate if this went ahead that we would be able to remove all of the 292 trees and get them out of the way for mobility.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 36205.965, "end": 36227.705, "text": "To the chair from the sidewalk, remediation and repair, we would be able to have capacity to complete 50%. So that would be 146 locations just because of our crew capacity, and then we're also outsourcing, but right now we're at capacity but can complete about 50%.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 36228.325, "end": 36232.785, "text": "So then the other 50% would be 27 when next year.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 36232.785, "end": 36233.825, "text": "Next year, yep.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 36233.825, "end": 36240.725, "text": "So the 2.4 is that 100% or the actual cost would be something materially lower, given that half the uh sidewalks will be done.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36243.125, "end": 36251.725, "text": "It would be 100% of the tree cost with the exception of the replanting. Some of that may hit the spring as well of 2027 and", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 36252.185, "end": 36261.825, "text": "Uh through the chair. So s for the sidewalk we're looking at about half a million for this year and then the remainder would be spent in twenty twenty-seven.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 36262.365, "end": 36295.705, "text": "But probably 1.9 versus 2.4 in calendar fiscal 26. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like I often speak of when I think of budget, I think of a barbell. We're gonna be spending 500 million billions of dollars on the underground, the assets and small wins for Calgaryans to show that there's progress. You know, the pothole example last year can be this year as well, just showing those little wins, the parks was something very clear. Um I really love that support about ex uh not going once a month, you know, once every two weeks. I I can't remember the exact, but just to go there to show Calgaryans, hey, you're actually getting uh something for your for your value there. So uh thanks so much for that information. Appreciate it.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 36297.825, "end": 36301.125, "text": "Councillor Pantozopoulos, back to you to close. Councillor Johnson.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 36303.065, "end": 36370.805, "text": "Uh yes, clerks. Are we able to get the photos up? Um Now I can't say for sure these are some of the locations, but um it's as easy just going for a walk in some of the neighborhoods with these, and um being married to a merged nurse, the amount of falls that they have to deal with from uneven surfaces is astronomical. Um and a lot of these older neighborhoods have a lot of uh seniors and actually new families coming in, so a lot of strollers are being pushed around. So This to me is what the FSR is meant for. It's meant to be put towards infrastructure that's failing or that needs to be replaced. This gets the ball rolling on what was, I believe it was introduced by Peter DeMong, Councillor Chabot, um last year or two years ago?", "segments_merged": 14 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 36372.905, "end": 36374.005, "text": "Go first, me.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 36374.245, "end": 36423.065, "text": "Yes, two years ago. Okay. And so As to what was council direction for the maintenance, this was council direction as well, just from maybe a different council, but it's continuing the good work that they started. Um, and so I really appreciate support on this because this is front facing actionable um evidence that people will see when they go for a walk in the winter um once all these are completed. So um and you know what? I love trees. So this is tough for me because a lot of these trees have provided shade. Um And a big thank you to the wise men who planted them 40 years ago. But there comes a time where these will have to come down and we'll replant new ones and we'll be those wise men. So please support me with this. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 36425.705, "end": 36427.925, "text": "Uh please um initiate these crack.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 36446.905, "end": 36455.065, "text": "Councillor Tyres is absent. Councillor Johnston, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Shabot, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 36455.625, "end": 36473.885, "text": "Uh please display the results. That motion is carried eleven to two, with counselors Kelly and Dollywall voting against. Thank you. Next notice of motion is", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 36477.325, "end": 36478.785, "text": "9.413.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 36480.705, "end": 36482.245, "text": "period of public submissions", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 36483.845, "end": 36488.825, "text": "by Councillor Johnson. You have the floor, sir.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 36489.105, "end": 36583.125, "text": "Yes. Another notice of motion. So this one actually arose from a question I asked administration actually back in November, and I got a response of why it was introduced. Come blanket rezoning. Um there is a bit of uh uh reignation of this exact issue in that we have a what was supposed to reduce public barrier to um public uh submission and public participation and we they the last council introduced a statement that you had to click on to do online submissions right so it it's a little inconsistent how this was implemented that To submit something online, you'd have to click this. And we tested this with legal, and it was true, you did have to click on it. But the submission statement itself was council direction. And so this to me, you should never have compelled speech, and you should never have to pass a values test to address your government. We already have a chair, we already have bylaws, we already have human decency. I don't think we need a values test to speak to your government. And for me, there should be no checkbox of any kind to come and speak to us. And so I would appreciate the support in removing this going forward.", "segments_merged": 16 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 36585.905, "end": 36613.205, "text": "Do we have a seconder? Seconded by Councillor McLean. Um before I open up the queue, I have a question for administration. Uh in note whereas it makes reference to um a requirement to to sign the declaration to do a public submission. Is it is it a requirement? Can you bypass that or Does somebody know that the answer to that?", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 36613.345, "end": 36633.965, "text": "I I can answer that question, Councillor Shabot. So on the online form, below the statement, there is a check box, and the check box requires to be filled, and it reads I have read and understand the above statement, and that requires a member of the public to um to check before they move on to the next portion.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 36636.105, "end": 36646.185, "text": "Okay. It says that you've read and understand it. Does it does it say anywhere that you uh agree with it?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 36646.625, "end": 36654.485, "text": "No, it does not. Um it's the the and statement in its entirety states I have read and understand the above statement.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 36654.745, "end": 36658.865, "text": "Okay. All right. I just wanted that clarity before I opened up the queue.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 36659.605, "end": 36661.845, "text": "Uh Councillor Yule, you're up.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 36663.565, "end": 36671.485, "text": "Um maybe just a a question uh for Ms. Flowen. Um is that compelled speech?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 36674.005, "end": 36720.745, "text": "In my opinion it is not. So in the notice of motion, there was reference to attachment nine in the original report that came back to council in 2022. And that particular opinion did speak to compelled speech, but it was based on the premise that this statement that people were going to have to click on required them to subscribe or endorse a set of values. This has been designed very intentionally, not to require that. It is simply a confirmation that the individual has read and understands the statement and that it speaks to the purpose of the city of Calgary and the values that the city of Calgary holds. Being the corporation.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 36722.485, "end": 36767.505, "text": "Thank you. Um So I uh I met with the anti-racism committee on this particular one. Um in in speaking with them, they do believe uh a statement like this is important just kind of as a as a baseline of decorum as people are preparing to come to council, preparing to send their their submission. Um I I worked with them with some alternative language. Uh I have an amendment that we could uh put up. Um if if we what I can we can test the will of council if we want to change the wording uh before we vote on this. Um uh but uh yeah, if we could put up that amendment.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 36768.565, "end": 36772.285, "text": "We just we just need one moment to um to get that up on the screen. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 36773.425, "end": 36897.905, "text": "But yeah, working directly with the anti-racism committee, that that committee was a big part of bringing this type of statement. And I think the the new wording will just uh it's just kind of a base base level of decorum. Um for I think one of the things that we've been noticing at public hearings is is um Um just people not knowing the the the bare minimum. And I think it's important. One of the things I I heard from the anti-racism committee is like, yeah, we could have nothing, and we we could let people say some some awful things, um, but once it's said, it can't be unsaid. And I think uh it's important to have this kind of baseline because we have many different chairs at the city of Calgary, and so if we have this as the base, um, it just will help um the expect managing expectations. I think as a as a parent myself, it's like managing the expectation of what is is uh um what is acceptable when uh when you come out in public and when you come um speak to to council. So this is the wording. Um I can read it out. Uh the city of Calgary is committed to providing a respectful and safe environment for public participation in council and committee pro uh proceedings. It is expected that all participants will engage respectfully, treat others with dignity, and refrain from discriminatory uh abuse or harassing comments or conduct. These expectations support fair and productive dialogue for all attendees. I think it's pretty straightforward. And again, it's just I it's a checkbox that says I have read this. Um again, it's not compelled, it's just a baseline of decorum. Uh, and uh again, using our committees um to to form our our policy. So uh test the will of counsel on this before um Before we we move forward.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 36904.125, "end": 36955.165, "text": "Yeah, I'm not sure how to rule on this matter because the original motion was to rescind the previous council decision. This appears to be contrary to that motion. You almost have to defeat that motion and introduce this one for this one to be accepted. It's I can't see of any other way of interpreting it, and I maybe I'm wrong, but this does appear to be contrary to the original motion, which means it's not I'm not allowed to allow it to be put. So I'm my ruling is this motion is contrary. And it's within your right. So we have a challenge to the ruling of the chair that this motion is.", "segments_merged": 18 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 36955.105, "end": 36955.925, "text": "Point of procedure?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 36956.445, "end": 36956.585, "text": "Sorry,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 36956.585, "end": 36965.645, "text": "Would that be more that point of procedure would that be more acceptable as a motion arising then maybe? Is that possible to vote on the first one and then just talk unless you may", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 36965.645, "end": 37040.745, "text": "it could have been reweded differently to allow the recommendation number one to move forward, which would eliminate the current wording. And recommendation two is directing administration to remove the mandatory endorsement statement. But we've already heard oh, sorry, the mandatory statement, and still that would still be compliant with that. What it's not compliant with is Is the rescinding the following decision adopted by council. So if that motion was incorporated into this motion, which is to rescind that previous motion, and then this being uh recommendation number two to direct administration to uh to add a new um um endorsement, it could be done that way. Unless I'm mistaken, Madam Chair, do you see that as a possibility? It wouldn't be contrary then because. This basically is is is contrary to the original motion, which is to get rid of it, okay, group get rid of it completely. This", "segments_merged": 28 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 37042.825, "end": 37061.605, "text": "Yes, that is correct because recommendation number two provides to remove. Could you walk me through your alternative though, like the second part? Of the option. So if it's it's contrary you've ruled that it's contrary right now to one and two, what was the alternative that you were just speaking about?", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37061.605, "end": 37103.265, "text": "suggesting that we rescind the still go through with the recommendation number one and and then incorporate a new number two and then make number two a number three, and then they could all be voted on separately. And then if council chose to eliminate the mandatory requirement, it's incorporated in both. Uh but then recommendation number two would be putting in a new statement. We'd still be removing the original statement. Council could decide whether or not they want to accept the new statement and then also vote on the mandatory aspect.", "segments_merged": 14 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 37103.645, "end": 37106.105, "text": "From a procedural standpoint, that would work.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37107.225, "end": 37111.145, "text": "Okay. So can we are you interested in adjusting your wording?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 37112.885, "end": 37122.585, "text": "Yeah, we can add this, um, combine the two. Just maybe check with um Miss Flowen. Does that does that flow flow well?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 37128.145, "end": 37135.065, "text": "Yeah. Yes, I think from a procedural standpoint, I'll leave it to the clerk to comment on that, but it seems to flow for me.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 37163.885, "end": 37199.705, "text": "So just to recap to make sure that we are on the same page, um recommendation one as if we can go back to the notice of motion, please. Recommendation one is the original one from the notice of motion. Should that pass? Then recommendation two stands, and what Councillor you will would be proposing would be the addition of a new recommendation three. So the amendment would be to add a new recommendation three with the wording that he will provide. That's how I'm understanding the discussion we've just had.", "segments_merged": 7 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37201.585, "end": 37214.885, "text": "It's kind of yeah, I think that's how it flows best because he does have a one, two, and three already incorporated in his notice of motion. Notwithstanding it's not. Necessarily ordered that way on the notice of motion, but", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 37215.965, "end": 37242.905, "text": "Oh no, sorry, the the three is part of the quotation marks. So recommendation number one, read in full. It refers to a previous decision of council that had a recommendation three. So recommendation one, read in its entirety, is looking to rescind a decision where council had voted that contained a recommendation three.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37247.305, "end": 37247.945, "text": "call one.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 37248.325, "end": 37250.705, "text": "Yeah, so this is all one. And this is two.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37251.485, "end": 37251.805, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 37251.865, "end": 37258.725, "text": "It's just that three is from two three.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37259.325, "end": 37264.145, "text": "Okay. All right. Well, um,", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 37265.765, "end": 37300.625, "text": "So we we do have a adjusted recommendation three for counselors dual consideration. So I'll just look to my team to please put this up. Just please bear with us. Again, following the discussion that council just had, this would be to amend the notice of motion by inserting a new recommendation three as follows. Direct administration to update the current public hearing endorsement statement checkbox to incorporate feedback of the Anti Racism Action Committee to state the following.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37301.265, "end": 37310.785, "text": "and that check box would then be optional if number two is approved, right? Because it would take away the requirement for it to be a mandatory requirement to check it.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 37311.605, "end": 37312.045, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37312.325, "end": 37312.525, "text": "Okay.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 37312.525, "end": 37316.665, "text": "There's no mandatory wording in that statement.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37318.385, "end": 37321.885, "text": "Okay. So you're putting forward that amendment then?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 37323.105, "end": 37325.365, "text": "Okay, Councillor Schmidt to speak to that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 37327.465, "end": 37417.585, "text": "I can now second this amendment. And I'll wait till we get back to the main for that point. I do support this, although I Think that this shouldn't be necessary. If uh we go back to the public submission form, uh really what this gets down to is first off very equivocal language here that I have read and understand the above statement. Takes no position on whether or not you want to follow it. Um it is it also ends with it's expected the participants will behave respectfully and treat everyone with dignity and respect to allow for conversations free from bias and prejudice. I would hope that that is the minimum standard that we expect from speakers who come here to council, given that that would be a minimum standard we expect with one another in everyday conversation. So I'll support this amendment. And then once we get back to the main, we'll be suggestion suggesting a division on the items as well. But I will cross that bridge when I get to it.", "segments_merged": 17 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37418.785, "end": 37420.585, "text": "Okay. Uh Councillor Johnson.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 37421.885, "end": 37422.465, "text": "On the amendment.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 37427.285, "end": 37508.065, "text": "Yeah, we don't need a values test. This is what this is. We have a chair, we have bylaws, we have human decency. We do not need anything on there. Ottawa doesn't have it. Edmonton doesn't have it. As far as I can tell, we're the only city that has this on a public submission, online public submission page. This is not necessary. Uh compelled speech. In my opinion, is being forced to adhere to an endorsement, which it says, and I know legal has said it's not, but the title of it says endorsement. And you have to click on the box to allow what is currently on the main motion. But again, sorry, this is just a soft part of a main motion, and it's not necessary. Um respectful, treat others with dignity, refrain from discriminatory, abusive. It can be on there, but people can still come here and say whatever they want as. Long as we can get to them and ask them to be quiet or if it gets unruly, we can call security. This is not necessary, right? We're we're basically saying we do not trust the public to come in here and be respectful. So this is not necessary. Please vote no to this.", "segments_merged": 12 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 37508.885, "end": 37509.465, "text": "Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 37511.865, "end": 37617.625, "text": "Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Um the on uh This is a pretty standard thing, right? There's an awful lot of stores that you go into just uh have a sign on the counter that say, please treat our staff with respect. Uh I agree with Councillor Johnston that like it should be common decency. Uh it is not common decency, unfortunately, hence why all those signs exist. Um I was going to vote against the main motion for that reason. But I like this wording better because to Councillor Johnson's original point on the main, there's a lot of sort of like loaded language in that in that original version. This version to me feels more direct to the point about what it is that we're looking to do. And frankly, it's softer, less, less loaded language. It does not surprise me at all that uh that this language came from our anti-racism racism action committee. Uh, and I applaud Councillor uh Yule for having a conversation with him about uh how can we achieve the goal that was originally intended uh in a way that uh is is potentially uh less inflammatory to to um uh to Councillor Johnston's uh sort of original intent here. So I think that this is uh this is a nice compromise. This is something that our anti-racism action committee uh uh asked for. I'm not sure, uh maybe uh I mean I can't ask now, but uh on the main motion, maybe I'll ask Councillor Johnston to speak to it uh at that time in his close, just around what their response was to his uh his original notice of motion. Uh but I think that this uh if we pass this, this will this gets me on board to uh to vote for Councillor Johnson's uh motion.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 37620.165, "end": 37622.505, "text": "Thanks. Councillor Kelly, Councillor Harrison. Harrison.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 37623.645, "end": 37627.565, "text": "Thank you, sir. Uh it's Clark. Councillor Clark. Harrison's my first name.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 37629.225, "end": 37629.905, "text": "Harrison Clark.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 37630.885, "end": 37655.225, "text": "I just want to uh acknowledge uh Councillor Ewell's efforts to reach out to Araq. We just heard from them last week, uh, looking for that uh opportunity to connect with us. So just wanted to acknowledge your efforts there. Really appreciate you bringing this forward. Um I believe uh it's already been said uh notices like this are everywhere. Um be kind. So I'm happy to support this. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 37658.065, "end": 37659.905, "text": "Okay, back to you to close.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 37661.865, "end": 37698.845, "text": "Yeah. Um I'm hoping you all support this. I think it's uh It just really it is important. I think it's it's it's not a a values test, it's just a baseline of uh of decorum. Uh and I think um it is very important in in talking to ARAC, it's um it's important to to set these standards and these expectations um so that when a chair shuts somebody down there there was a statement that uh that was said. So I would appreciate your support and hope we can get through this night. Thanks.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37701.065, "end": 37713.685, "text": "Okay. I see no further lights. Um, Madam Clerk, can you queue up the E scribe, please? Or whoever's got control.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 37721.525, "end": 37728.625, "text": "Councillor Tyre is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Chabot, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37729.145, "end": 37780.625, "text": "Please display the results. Uh motion is carried 10 to 3 with Councillor Johnson, Ward, and Jamison voting against. All right, so before I go to Councillor Johnson to claim. Close. I don't see any more lights. Um if recommendation number one fails, then we would not be moving forward with recommendation three. Is that correct? Because that's alternate wording. That is to remove the wording. Or three could still stand alone. We'd have two statements then. It's one you can't have unless you want two statements, but", "segments_merged": 18 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 37781.365, "end": 37792.065, "text": "It's so if recommendation number one does not pass, recommendation three is asking for an update to the current statement. It's not asking", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37792.065, "end": 37793.345, "text": "update it. Okay.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 37793.565, "end": 37797.945, "text": "the wording says direct administration to update the current statement, so I believe it could proceed.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37798.185, "end": 37805.985, "text": "Still stand. All right. Okay, over to you. Over to you to oh sorry, is there a debate on the main motion?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 37807.165, "end": 37809.085, "text": "Councillor Pantisopless. Go ahead.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 37809.105, "end": 37830.865, "text": "Maybe that clarification, just because this two and three, do you mind just explaining assuming it's it's divided up the cascading effect of one, two, three? It was just explain there a little bit, but if you could, just because if one is yes, no, then it's so it can you divide it, or does it have to be all together as one because the two are interconnected? If you could just walk through that, that would be perfect prior to the vote.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37831.025, "end": 37873.325, "text": "So based on what I just heard from Madam Clerk, is regardless of whether or not recommendation number one passes, number three ultimately would end up replacing that wording. If if yeah, if it gets passed. If three gets passed. It was passed as an amendment, but ultimately as part of the main motion, regardless of whether one uh is removed or not, uh recommendation number three could still end up replacing it if it if it wasn't removed by voting to remove it in recommendation number one. I know it sounds confusing. I hope that's clear enough.", "segments_merged": 15 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 37873.445, "end": 37881.045, "text": "It it is, but now two. I'm just again going through uh three is dependent on two because it's saying it's a mandatory statement.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37881.045, "end": 37882.585, "text": "Two is just a checkbox.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 37883.265, "end": 37894.025, "text": "Uh just if it says direct admission to remove the mandatory endorsement statements and checkbox. If that's removed, then um it it's there there's no longer like just think about that cascade.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37894.025, "end": 37897.665, "text": "Need to have a statement. But that the statement could still be there.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 37900.425, "end": 37938.385, "text": "Uh and it also says mandatory endorsement statement. So to remove the mandatory do you see what I'm just saying? Is it asking it's removing it and the checkbox? I understand the little box, but it states there remove the mandatory endorsement statement. That is one of two, which number three is a mandatory, I don't believe it's an endorsement, but a mandatory statement. So it's not simply a little checkbox. It says, so you need two and three have to be together. But looking to guidance or legal or clerks. Because if you remove the mandatory statement, uh uh amendment three does not have a say that a check, well, maybe it adds back. I'd love to hear. I", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37938.525, "end": 37940.145, "text": "Yeah, just wouldn't have a checkbox.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 37942.065, "end": 37955.105, "text": "But it does say it has a checkbox. And it says endorsement statement checkbox. So what do we yeah? It's important because these words matter. So uh one says a checkbox, one says remove checkbox, one says checkbox back. Um", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37955.365, "end": 37956.505, "text": "Yeah, go ahead, Ms.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 37956.685, "end": 37975.385, "text": "I I wonder if this would help. Um, because number two deletes the checkbox. If number three could say direct administration to update the current public hearing form to include a new endorsement statement checkbox. to incorporate the feedback as follows. Would that work?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 37976.785, "end": 37978.885, "text": "I think so. I'm just looking at just", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 37978.885, "end": 37980.085, "text": "Can I inject on the wording?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 37982.865, "end": 37983.765, "text": "sorry.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 37983.765, "end": 38003.165, "text": "I just want to because we're we're working on the words, can we just say uh an optional checkbox, like an optional endorsement? Because uh Lanin is concerned that it's a mandatory checkbox to get passed, and so. Coding on the website can turn it into an optional checkbox of endorsement, but still have the statement there.", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38006.085, "end": 38009.145, "text": "I honestly thought that's what was being uh considered, but", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38010.605, "end": 38052.085, "text": "Can I offer another interpretation? It's not typical, but the way that I would read number three would be so if number two passes. So administration will remove the statement in its entirety and will remove the mandatory checkbox. Direct administration to update the current public hearing endorsement statement checkbox to incorporate the feedback of the anti racism to state the following. And all that we publish is what's in three sub I. So what Councillor Ewell is asking us to do is simply to publish the statement starting in I. I'm not seeing that there's a checkbox attached to it. That recommendation is asking us to add the statement.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38052.925, "end": 38058.185, "text": "Ah so we can eliminate the word checkbox from that statement.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38060.025, "end": 38090.185, "text": "I think that might give council um clarity. So it would be direct administration to update the public hearing endorsement statement to incorporate feedback of the anti racism action committee to state the following. And then all that the city clerk's office would do would go onto the form and publish the statement. There would be no checkbox, there would be no endorsement statement titled to it, because that is not what the Anti Racism Action Committee recommended based on my reading of what's on the screen.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38091.025, "end": 38097.545, "text": "Thanks. All right, thanks for that clarity. Uh, Councillor Pancelopoulos, does that satisfy your concern? Any further debate?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 38097.945, "end": 38102.445, "text": "Uh yeah, I'm so it'll obviously be amended. Uh checkbox will take it off. Thank you so much. Great, thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38103.985, "end": 38107.085, "text": "That's it? You're good? All right, thanks. Next we have", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38107.145, "end": 38111.245, "text": "Would that be a second amendment that a member of council could make, just so that we're clear?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 38111.645, "end": 38114.845, "text": "okay, so made by Councillor Pancelopoulos. We have a seconder for that.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38115.365, "end": 38130.305, "text": "Seconded by Councillor Ewell and on that amendment to the amendment. Any debate on that? Are we agreed? Any opposed? Hearing none, that's carried. So that", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38130.305, "end": 38130.705, "text": "That out.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38130.965, "end": 38137.065, "text": "Motion is carried. Now we're back to the original amendment or back to the main motion.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38138.165, "end": 38141.505, "text": "You will be just one moment, please. We'll we'll need to recascate it for you.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38141.745, "end": 38145.845, "text": "As amended. And that's what we're going to be debating.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 38154.365, "end": 38156.465, "text": "And Councillor Schmidt, you have the floor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 8 Nathaniel Schmidt", "start": 38160.105, "end": 38362.065, "text": "Yes, I was uh I saw Councillor Johnston put this in the chat as well, but I was going to suggest division of votes based on one and two being voted on together, and then um option three being voted on. After those two. Just given that I think the way that number one and two goes will likely have an effect on some of our decisions for number three. Other than that, I said it all in the amendment part. I think we saw in the public hearing that there was some times when we had to correct the decorum of some of the speakers based on what they said. So clearly that checkbox was not preventing them from coming here and was not. Compelling speech has a very action-oriented definition to it, that we're telling you're being told that you have to say or act in a certain way. This is this is something that is asking people to not or or to to act in a respectful way, which is we're not compelling them to believe certain things. We are asking them to treat a public forum as a place that is available for all of the public. And that's important because we have to represent the entirety of Calgary. And so the important thing when it comes to not And the thing that that gets me as a pet peeve is we say freedom of speech. We don't have freedom of speech in Canada. We have freedom of expression. And we also have limits to what is within the charter via section one of the charter, which in a democratic society allows us to place certain limits on those freedoms to protect the freedoms of others, because you can come into contact with the freedoms of others through your own conduct. And in this case, that's exactly what this is trying to accomplish is that when others come to these chambers, and we've seen it before, where certain attacks are leveled at particular groups or particular people or particular ways of living, that that would actually compel people to not come here and speak, which is not what we want to have happen. So if people who feel uncomfortable with Again, not being able to follow the, I guess I'll call it being compelled to behave respectfully and treat everyone with dignity and respect to allow for conversations free from bias and prejudice, then I would question whether or not what they come here to speak about has any value for us as a council. And I will leave it at that.", "segments_merged": 30 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38364.365, "end": 38378.905, "text": "So before I uh go to Councillor Wynus, I'm gonna ask you um members of council if you would be okay with the voting with for recommendations one and two together. Is there any opposition to that?", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 38380.685, "end": 38382.585, "text": "Not seeing any. All right, Councillor Wynus.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 2 Jennifer Wyness", "start": 38383.805, "end": 38419.725, "text": "Thanks. Yeah, I think we're we're finding the compromise here where you can still have a statement that says to treat others with respect and still also uh have uh the ability for Calgarians to speak their mind on a lot of issues that are highly contentious and uh very emotional. Like when you look at blanket zoning, people are coming in here and and when you just say please come in and speak respectfully, even with emotion. w we can manage that. And so I think this is the ability to rescind that mandatory checkbox and uh still remind people that we are a public space. So that's it.", "segments_merged": 15 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38422.565, "end": 38426.465, "text": "Councillor Johnson, you need to speak to your to close.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 38427.445, "end": 38429.245, "text": "So I'm gonna go to Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 38431.025, "end": 38455.585, "text": "Yeah, I think I said it earlier, so I won't rehash rehash any of that. I just wanted to ask the question of admin. I'm not sure who the right person is uh here just um If we don't have a statement at all, i.e., number three fails, what tools does a chair have to control appropriate behavior of a speaker?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 38457.745, "end": 38461.385, "text": "I can I can answer that. This chair has control of the mic.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 38462.525, "end": 38477.905, "text": "Yes, but that would be potentially uh infringing upon people's freedom of expression. So I just wanted to I wanted to double check to see like this actually gives you the right to turn off that mic. But I'm trying to figure out what actually uh gives you that ability.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 38480.025, "end": 38485.465, "text": "But procedural bylaw, I believe. So Madam Clerk, do you want to respond to that?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38486.445, "end": 38505.585, "text": "Yes, thank you, Deputy Mayor Sherbo. There's certainly certain rules within the procedure bylaw that set out the conduct of members of the public and as well as of the chair. I'm just pulling up the procedure bylaw. Don't have the section memorized, just bear with me for a sec.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 38506.885, "end": 38522.425, "text": "But it does state in general that you must um maintain uh respectful conduct. And the chair has the ability to cut off a speaker. Not only does the chair have the ability to cut off a speaker, the chair has the ability to have uh that speaker removed.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 38522.425, "end": 38584.545, "text": "Perfect. So that was the that was the first question I had was just around that idea of I want to make sure that we had it codified somewhere so that the speaker actually had authority in order to be able to do what we all want the speaker to be able to do. The reason why I think that this is important though, I think we've heard from an awful lot of people when they come to speak, like they're not necessarily that sometimes they don't, not on this particular topic, but on others, like they're not fully aware of all the ins and the outs of like what's going on. It can be a little nerve-wracking your first time, etc. So just because it's buried in the procedure bylaw, I think it's fair to say that none of our speakers are coming have read the procedure by law. Uh, this gives an opportunity to put it nice, right, front and center so that they can see it. And it's uh it's basically reiterating what we already have in the per in the procedure by law so that they can see it when they're making their uh their request to present. So um yeah, happy to support number three. Uh numbers one and two without number three. I think we start to get into that that sort of dangerous territory. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38584.605, "end": 38586.785, "text": "Thank you, Madam Clerk.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38589.005, "end": 38621.005, "text": "Thank you, Deputy Mayor Chabot. I just I couldn't get there. Um I couldn't get there fast enough when the question came up. The provisions surrounding the conduct of members of the public are set out at section 31 of the procedure bylaw, and they read that in order to ensure a safe and respectful meeting environment, those seated in the public gallery or participating remotely at council or council committee meetings must not spontaneously applaud, display signs, or engage in any behavior which may be disruptive, disrespectful, or intimidating to others.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 38622.565, "end": 38628.125, "text": "Yeah, so I think this does an excellent job of bringing that forward to people so that they can see that when they make their submission.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 38628.565, "end": 38630.865, "text": "Councillor Jameson. Question?", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 12 Mike Jamieson", "start": 38632.025, "end": 38653.305, "text": "Yeah, I was just clarifying again, I just need to clarify this. So one and two remove the mandatory checkbox that used to be that you had the check to enter. Number three simply adds the statement. I know. I it are are we hundred is that hundred percent true? Okay, thanks.", "segments_merged": 6 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 38654.245, "end": 38663.885, "text": "Thanks. Over to you to close, Councillor Johnson. Oops, did I miss somebody? No. Councillor Johnson, to you to close. On the main motion as amended.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 38664.085, "end": 38714.565, "text": "Yeah, so just to clear up a few things here, there's a difference between a public. Domicile or public restaurant, public anything compared to a government building. Those are two very different things. Government building, you should not have to click on a checkbox. And just to be clear, this is one avenue of many avenues you can do to actually submit anything for a public hearing. This is inconsistent with the rest of them. If you want to get around any of this, you just show up in person. Or you send it in the mail, right? Is sorry, uh Clerk, what other sorry, through the chair, Clerk, what other avenues are there that can bypass any of this?", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38716.505, "end": 38752.725, "text": "So public submissions can be made through a variety of ways. We accept public submissions that are hand-delivered to the city clerk's office or they're hand-delivered somewhere within the administration and they make their way to us. We accept public submissions received via email, via regular posted mail. We receive public submissions by fax. And of course, we receive them when members of the public present themselves here in the council chamber and they either put a distribution on the screen or if they hand us a package for distribution. So you're correct, Councillor. There's a variety of different ways.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 38753.165, "end": 38838.545, "text": "Right. And so the original direction from council at the time was to create a reduced barriers to public submissions. This is just confusing the way they've worded it. And the reason why I didn't contact ARAC or anything because it doesn't matter what the statement says, it could say anything and it should and it's wrong. As of right now, you cannot submit through that one avenue. To have your submission read or accepted by the city, right? And that's wrong. It doesn't matter what it says, right? And I mean to put up a to me, this is a values test. We already have every tool in our ability to con ensure that what happens here is conducted um fairly, conducted uh safely. Um Again, having this on the website isn't going to stop somebody from physically coming here and doing what they were going to do, whether they read this or not. So this is very confusing. We would be the only city that I can find that has any sort of whatever this is. We'll be the only one that has this. So please vote no or sort please vote yes to getting rid of the endorsement statement and then vote no to the other one. It's not necessary. We are good people. We can use the tools that we have right now. Thank you. Yeah.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38848.385, "end": 38858.425, "text": "Okay, thanks. All right. You're closed. Uh Madam Clerk, please queue up these crap. And we're voting on one and two together.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38861.185, "end": 38872.225, "text": "The first motion will be recommendation number one because that's the one that requires the endorsement statement. Recommendation two directs that it be removed. So recommendation one has to pass first.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38872.545, "end": 38878.465, "text": "Okay. All right, let's vote on them separately then. Recommendation number one is before you.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38892.925, "end": 38899.025, "text": "Councillor Tyres is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Chabot, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38900.865, "end": 38922.065, "text": "All right, please display the results. That motion is carried seven to six. Recommendation number two is now before you. Madam Clerk, please queue up the describe.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38935.745, "end": 38941.925, "text": "Councillor Tyres is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Shabot, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38942.705, "end": 38965.145, "text": "Please display the results. Motion is carried seven to six. Sorry, I should have read who voted against. Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Kelly, Councillor Dollywall, Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Clark, and Councillor Vue voted against. Next motion is before you is recommendation number three. Again, please cue up the E scribe.", "segments_merged": 8 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38980.825, "end": 38986.385, "text": "Councillor Tyres is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Shabot, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38987.245, "end": 39002.405, "text": "Please display the results. And that motion is carried 10 to 3. Thank you. Which brings us to what?", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39003.005, "end": 39013.225, "text": "It brings us to moving into closed session for the one remaining item. It was an item of urgent business added to the agenda yesterday. Item 12.3.1, legal briefing.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 39016.125, "end": 39019.545, "text": "Yes. So can I have somebody move make that motion?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 39020.125, "end": 39021.865, "text": "I will. By Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 39022.005, "end": 39032.705, "text": "And a point and a point of order. Should we also be making a mo like I don't know how long this one will take, but we're okay? Okay. Half an hour. Thank you. Happy to make this motion. Let's get going.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 39033.765, "end": 39040.205, "text": "Hey, um, seconded by Councillor Schmidt. On that, are we agreed? Do we have to go to East Cry?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39040.985, "end": 39043.265, "text": "I'm sorry, Councillor Shabot, I didn't hear the mover.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 39043.665, "end": 39044.865, "text": "Mover was Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39044.865, "end": 39045.645, "text": "Councillor Kelly.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 39045.645, "end": 39046.725, "text": "Seconded by Councillor Schmidt.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39046.825, "end": 39048.425, "text": "And yes, East Gribe is ready, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 10 Andre Chabot", "start": 39048.765, "end": 39063.425, "text": "Yeah, please uh go to East Cribe with Mayor Farkas in the chair. Please", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39063.425, "end": 39064.965, "text": "Councillor Ward, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 11 Rob Ward", "start": 39065.585, "end": 39065.865, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39066.245, "end": 39068.185, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Clark, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 39068.965, "end": 39069.565, "text": "Yeah.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39069.605, "end": 39077.385, "text": "Yes. Thank you. Councillor Tyres is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Chabot, all the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 39077.905, "end": 39088.805, "text": "please display the results. That motion is carried eleven to two with Councillor Johnson and Councillor Jameson voting against. Can I say we are adjourned?", "segments_merged": 4 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 39091.005, "end": 39097.565, "text": "Recess. City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the room.", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 39098.365, "end": 39116.465, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Chabot, Councillor Clark, Councillor Dollywall, Councillor Jameson. Councillor Johnston,", "segments_merged": 10 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 14 Landon Johnston", "start": 39116.845, "end": 39117.025, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 39117.125, "end": 39118.005, "text": "Councillor Kelly,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 4 DJ Kelly", "start": 39118.125, "end": 39118.445, "text": "President.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 39118.525, "end": 39119.485, "text": "Councillor McLean,", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 13 Dan McLean", "start": 39120.105, "end": 39120.365, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "City Clerk City Clerk", "start": 39120.365, "end": 39124.085, "text": "Councillor Pentezoppoulos, Councillor Schmidt, and Mayor Farkas.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 39124.085, "end": 39124.385, "text": "Here.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39124.485, "end": 39124.905, "text": "Thanks, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 39126.185, "end": 39171.705, "text": "Thank you. I need a motion to rise and report, please. Moved by Councillor Jameson. Seconded by Councillor Yule. All in favor on that? Any opposed? Seeing none, that motion is carried. Believe we have another uh motion to hold confidential the discussions. Okay, it's up there on the screen. Can I please have a motion to move that? Uh moved by Councillor Kelly, seconded by Councillor Ward. All right, that is on the table. Any further discussion on that? Okay, seeing none. Uh let's engage the vote, please.", "segments_merged": 13 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39181.545, "end": 39183.045, "text": "Councillor Ewell, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 3 Andrew Yule", "start": 39183.045, "end": 39183.325, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39183.385, "end": 39185.445, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Pentazopoulos, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 6 John Pantazopoulos", "start": 39185.445, "end": 39185.785, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39185.985, "end": 39188.025, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Jamison, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 12 Mike Jamieson", "start": 39188.225, "end": 39188.705, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39188.785, "end": 39190.725, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Clark, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Councillor Ward 9 Harrison Clark", "start": 39190.725, "end": 39190.905, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39191.385, "end": 39198.745, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Tyres is absent. Councillor Chabot is absent. Counts", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 39199.005, "end": 39199.445, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39199.845, "end": 39204.905, "text": "thank you. Councillor McLean, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please.", "segments_merged": 2 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 39205.525, "end": 39205.885, "text": "Yes.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39206.045, "end": 39207.465, "text": "Thank you. All the votes are in.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 39208.565, "end": 39219.765, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results. And that motion is carried 13 to 0. Madam Clerk, is there any other business?", "segments_merged": 3 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39220.645, "end": 39221.325, "text": "Nothing, Mayor.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 39221.525, "end": 39222.785, "text": "Any administrative inquiries?", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39223.305, "end": 39223.665, "text": "None.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 39224.325, "end": 39243.365, "text": "Okay, can I get a motion to adjourn? Oh my god, I've never seen your hand go up. Oh my gosh, George of the back. All right, moved by Councillor McClain to adjourn, seconded by Councillor Johnson. On that are we agreed? Any opposed? Seeing none, that motion is carried. Uh", "segments_merged": 5 }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39243.825, "end": 39243.985, "text": "Third.", "segments_merged": 1 }, { "speaker": "Mayor Jeromy Farkas", "start": 39243.985, "end": 39246.005, "text": "this was one of the meetings of all time. Thank you.", "segments_merged": 1 } ], "full_text": "Madam Clerk, please call the rule. Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Councillor Kelly. Present. Councillor McLean. I'm here. Councillor Pantazopoulos. Councillor Schmidt. Councillor Tyres. Councillor Tyres, thank you. Councillor Ward. Councillor Wyness. Councillor Ewell. Councillor Atkinson. Councillor Sherbo. Present Councillor Clark. present. Councillor Daliwall. Here. Councillor Jameson. Present. Councillor Johnston. Here. Here. And Mayor Farkas. Here. Thank you. Oki, Ambawastish, Danistara, Tanshe. Indigenous peoples have their own names for this area that have been in use long before settlers named this place Calgary. In the Blackfoot language, it is called Muginstis. The Etsya Nakota Wastabi First Nations refer to this place as Wachispa Oyede, and the people of the Sutina Nation call it Gutstis. The Metis call the Calgary area Otasquini. We appreciate and acknowledge that we're gathered on the ancestral and traditional territory of the Blackfoot Nations of the Sikhzika, Pikani and Kainai First Nations, the Iskken Nakota Gwastabi First Nations, comprised of the Chenniki, Barispa and Goodstoney First Nations, and the Sotina First Nation. The city of Calgary is also homeland to the historic Northwest Metis, and to the Otimiswak Metis Government, Metis Nation, Battle River Territory, Nosehill Metis District 5. And Elbow Metis District 6. We acknowledge and give gratitude to the many First Nations, Metis and Inuit who live here and call Calgary home. First up, I will go to Councillor Atkinson for National Indigenous History Month. Oh sorry, Councillor Panozopoulos. Thanks so much. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. June is National Indigenous History Month here in Canada, a time to celebrate the rich heritage of our First Nations, Inuit, and Metis peoples. It is also time to acknowledge the ongoing journey towards truth, healing, and reconciliation. Indigenous people have been the stewards of Canada's lands and waters since time immemorial. Their wisdom and contributions have profoundly shaped the Canada we cherish today. This month aims to educate about the true history of Indigenous peoples and help us understand who they are today and how we can support them. As we celebrate their cultures and achievements, I invite all Calgarians to learn more about First Nations, Inuit, and Metis peoples. There are many activities and events planned for this month. Invite your family, invite your friends to participate, and reflect on our collective responsibility to build a better and more inclusive future. As a Councillor that borders the Sutina Nation right here adjacent to Calgary, I certainly know First Town how important it is to work with our neighbors to make sure that we have positive outcomes for all Calgarians and Albertans and Canadians alike. Only through this understanding, respect, and solidarity can we pave the way for meaningful reconciliation and a brighter future for all. See you gas, Marcy, He He, Nitsi Sim Mutsi, SEEP, ECS, and thank you. Thank you, Councillor Counciloplis. And then next, please, to Councillor Kelly for Seniors Week. Thank you very much, Your Worship. Yes, colleagues, next week, June 1st to 7th is Seniors Week, which has been recognized annually in Alberta since 1986. This is an opportunity to show our appreciation for older adults and their rich contributions to our communities through volunteerism, assisting charities, and supporting family members and friends. This year, the theme is 40 years of connection, contribution, and community. Aging is a natural part of life, something that we should all uh be blessed to experience. And uh that natural process is how we build the wisdom of experience. By appreciating and listening to older adults, something I think that all of us uh have definitely benefited from, uh both as counselors and as individuals, uh, provides us the benefit from their knowledge and it creates a more inclusive and compassionate Calgary. On behalf of my city council, my Calgary City Council colleagues, I extend our profound gratitude for all the endless contributions seniors make to our communities. Whether as family or friends, uh their presence enriches our society in countless ways, reminding us of the importance of kindness, patience, and most of all, perseverance. Many exciting activities are planned for this week, including cultural celebrations, social gatherings, free or discounted admission to many of Calgary's great attractions, and free fitness classes at our recreation facilities. Uh, if anyone would like to find out more about these scheduled events, please go to Calgary.ca slash seniorsweek. Thank you, worship. Thank you so much, uh Councillor Kelly. I'll ask uh Deputy Americot to please uh take the chair and I will be Colleagues, today we have a very exciting recognition. The 2026 Accessibility Awards presented by the City of Calgary's Advisory Committee on Accessibility. Throughout the year, this committee advises City Council administration on accessibility and inclusion for persons with disabilities in relation to city services. And this year, they received 16 nominations. On behalf of council, I'm thanking all of the individuals and organizations for their incredible work in making Calgary a more accessible city. And today we are delighted to recognize the three award recipients who are here with us today. So, first on award number one A, the first award is the Individual Advocacy Award, which recognizes an individual or group who has improved the quality of life for persons with disabilities and/or advanced accessibility in Calgary. This year, the winner is Rima Kadri. Rima, please. Rima is the owner and operator of Rima's Place, a unisex wheelchair accessible salon in Acadia, where she has worked for over 30 years. Rema advances accessibility through everyday actions, providing affordable services, assisting clients with mobility needs, offering flexible hours, and traveling to clients' homes, hospitals, and care facilities when they cannot come to her salon. Excuse me. Her work supports seniors, people with disabilities, and individuals with low incomes, helping them maintain dignity, independence, and connection to their community. Rima's commitment to accessibility is rooted in care, flexibility, and longstanding relationships with her clients, whom she often refers to as friends. And I'd like to invite Rima Kadri up to the podium here to receive this award. Congratulations, Jeff. Thank you so much for my And the second award we are presenting today is the Organizational Advocacy Award. This award recognizes organizations dedicated to advancing accessibility and inclusion for Calgarians. And the winner this year is Open Door Group. For more than 45 years, Open Door Group has been a leader in advancing accessibility, inclusion, and equitable employment opportunities. In Calgary, their work supports individuals who self-identify as having disabilities, visible, invisible, episodic, or related to mental health and complex life circumstances by removing systemic barriers to meaningful employment. Through individualized person-centered supports, employer engagement, and trauma informed approaches, Open Door Group helps redesign systems so that work is more accessible and inclusive. Their efforts not only support job seekers, but also strengthen workplace cultures across Calgary. And I'd like to ask representatives from Open Door Group to please approach now to come forward and receive the award. own. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Thank you for being here. Thank you. Yeah, jump in the minute. Thank you. Thank you so much. And our final award is the Mobility and Transportation Access Award, which recognizes those who have improved access to the physical environment, technology, or products. This award is being presented to Medi Donate Life Improvement Initiative Limited. MedIDonate is a student-led Alberta registered nonprofit that improves mobility access by redistributing donated medical and assistive equipment to individuals who cannot afford it. Their platform connects donors with community members in need, ensuring that unused walkers, wheelchairs, and other mobility equipment are redirected rather than stored or discarded. And in its first year, Medidonate coordinated the redistribution of over $25,000 in mobility and medical equipment, increasing independence and access for Calgarians. So through innovation, collaboration, and grass loose leadership, Medi Donate has made a meaningful impact on transportation and mobility access in Calgary. And I'd like to ask our representative from Medi Donate Life Improvement Initiative Limited to come forward and receive this award. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So to close, on behalf of my council colleagues in the city of Calgary, I would like to extend our heartfelt congratulations to all the award recipients today. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for the work that you do every day to make Calgary a more inclusive and accessible city for persons with disabilities. And of course, many thanks to our advisory committee on accessibility for the important work of reviewing these nominations and selecting the recipients. At this point, I'd like to invite uh all award recipients to come forward for a final group picture. Alrighty, we are up for a question period of Councillor Tyres and myself. Please go ahead, Councillor Tyres. Yes, thank you, Chair. Um, last night I had the opportunity to go door knocking in boness to speak directly with residents about the proposed land use bylaw amendments for flood mitigation. Given the significant impact of this potential legislation, these one-on-one conversations provided valuable insights into local perspectives. Following council's direction at the April Infrastructure and Planning Committee meeting, I would like to ask administration for an update on the status of their renewed public engagement strategy. Specifically, what next steps have been established to connect with residents directly impacted by these amendments? And I suppose this will be for Paul Taylor, acting for GM Capella. Thank you. Thank you for the question, Councillor Tyres. The land use bylaw and flood teams are currently planning an additional engagement phase in response to the council direction administration. The engagement will build on the three prior stages of engagement and focus on strengthening awareness, providing uh opportunities for residents to share concerns, and opportunities to strengthen regulatory implementation through targeted input. There's a meeting that will be set up with your office, and we will brief all of council. Okay, that's excellent. Thank you very much. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Just uh being mindful of time, I'm gonna withdraw on my question and we will get on to uh the business today. Uh may I please have a mover and seconder for the agenda? Moved by Councillor Shabot. Uh seconded by Councillor Atkinson. The agenda is on the table. We have uh a few amendments here that I'm going to uh we're not yet on consent, so we have a few amendments, changes, additions here. Uh we've had a request uh from the uh city solicitor for uh an amendment to the agenda adding confidential urgent business, it being a confidential legal briefing. And legal and ethics brief. And that this item would be set to be dealt with following the lunch recess. I'll just note on this I think it's fine to accommodate the timing for the lunch recess, but beyond that, I think it would be good for us later in the agenda to find a time for police and fire specifically set. So uh I'm fine with this lunch, but I'd propose uh this to be after lunch, but I'd propose maybe the police and fire to be maybe 3 45 after the afternoon break. So we'll we'll deal with that maybe at that time. Uh can I have a mover and seconder for the adding of this uh urgent business? Moved by Councillor Chabot. Uh uh seconded by uh Councillor Ward. Uh any further debate on adding this? Okay, seeing none, uh let's call the vote on that. This requires 10 votes in order to add the urgent business. Uh no, eight votes? Okay. Excellent. So let's uh go to uh let's engage the e vote. Councillor Ewell, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Kelly, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please? Yes. Thank you. All the votes are in. Thank you. Uh please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 15 to 0. I believe you had an email from us, Councillor Johnston, on urgent business. Uh yeah, I have uh urgent business I wanna include in the agenda. Okay. I'll go to that to you at this time if you can tell us what it is. Uh yeah, so the urgent uh notice of motion is to um basically allow all members of council the same opportunity to be on the CAO recruitment selection committee. Um and this is urgent because between our last recommendation um and now people have expressed interest on wanting to be on it and working with the clerk's department. This is the only way to make that happen. So That's uh from Councillor Johnston. Is there a seconder? Second by Councillor Ward? Okay. Uh I will weigh in as chair. I'm supposed to weigh in on whether urgent business uh a recommendation from the chair as to whether it should be added. Uh council colleagues, I will not I will recommend that this not be added. I believe that the intent of it could be satisfied on the actual item. That is coming to us later as part of the meeting. And having just been given very short notice on this and not having the ability to go into the mechanics, the procedure of how the bylaw is drafted, as well as the previous uh direction of council. I'm not sure if it can be properly placed because it's a little bit more complicated because it requires undoing a previous council resolution. So that is uh my determination. Uh Councillor Chabot on the adding of the surgeon business? Yeah, I I'm sort of advised that this was coming. I haven't had a chance to read the email yet, so um there's more to it, I believe, than what's before us um as far as what's on the screen. Um and I did indicate in my previous discussion that there would be uh a way that we could deal with this um as when the item comes before us, and that could be through an amendment prior to second reading of the bylaw uh to accommodate this. So uh for that reason I'm not gonna support this. Okay. Councillor Wines on this? Yeah, I'm just kind of curious if we would be able to pull uh the direction that's wanted in this during the actual item on the agenda. Amend the direction. And maybe mover can answer that in his close or clerks. Um clerk, did you want to weigh in in terms of the the the actual text is a bit more let's say uh complicated than what the the mover had introduced. Good. The previous council decision was contained in a confidential distribution. It is contained in your closed meeting materials with an e scribe. I'm happy to find the link and resend it to members of council. But if you look at the cover report that I've prepared that's related to the item, it is outlined there as well. All right, over to Councillor Johnston to close. Yeah, this is the proper way to do this. Um we looked at many different ways on how to accommodate what I think is the most important decision we have coming for us in this council. And uh honestly, I think we need to allow all members of council the same opportunity to be on this. Um and sorry, can I through the chair ask the clerk a clarifying question? Yeah, certainly. Yeah, is there any other way to ensure that all members of council have access to or the fair opportunity to be on this CAO repro recruitment committee selection. Thank you for the question, Councillor Johnston. The council had made a decision and voted, so there is a resolution of council that set out what the bylaw on today's agenda meets. Because there is a council decision with respect to how the subcommittee will be established in order to pursue a change to that membership, and by that I mean to allow all members of council an opportunity to express their interest, the previous decision of council must be rescinded. Otherwise, there will be conflicting resolution from council from April and the bylaw that's before you today. So the notice of motion that is here is to rescind a previous council decision. Right. So council members, this is our opportunity now to do this. So if you wait until later, it's only gonna delay it even longer. So now is the opportunity for us to make a decision that is going to shape the next who knows how long Of this city's future. And we're all a part of the executive committee decisions on the current CEO's process. We can not allow seven members to decide what the rest of the city. We need everybody to have the same opportunity to be a part of that. And this is the best way to make this happen. So please vote to allow this on the agenda and give us the opportunity to be a part of this process. Okay, that has uh been closed by uh Councillor Johnston. Uh under the procedure bylaw allows an additional questions uh from council members uh uh uh arising from the debate that was heard. And I'm gonna ask the the question of our city solicitor if uh you don't mind, Ms. Flowen. Just to clarify, a resolution of a majority of council, meaning eight is required to appoint the city manager and not seven. Is that correct? Yeah, so it's council's role under the Municipal Government Act to appoint the uh CAO. Okay. So it is council, it's not a small group of people. Yes, sorry, point of privilege. The CAO recruitment committee does the due diligence. And looking through what the executive committee did with the due diligence on the current CAO's employment, I think that needs to be extended to all members of council. So, yes, it is council's resolution to debate and vote on who's going to be the next CAO, but it's the due diligence that matters. Thank you, uh Councillor Johnson. I'll just know counts uh points of privilege are reserved for if you feel that you've been misquoted. Uh it's not intended to be a rebuttal, but So it wasn't as quite a bit of a little bit more. That's what the point of privilege was for. Thank you, Chair. thank you, sir. Uh Councillor McLean, is it a follow up clarifying question on what we're voting on? Yes. Please go ahead. And the debate has been closed. It's purely on what we're voting on. Just a clarifying question to clerks. If we then go into close and had we vote on something similar to this, will that be quite is that an eight to seven or will that be will we do it need a supermajority or a I'm to save to overturn previous council direction? well th thank you for the question and for the clarification. So there's there's two votes to be had here. So the first vote would be to add it to the agenda because this is bypassing the executive committee. Ten votes of council are required to add a notice of motion to an existing agenda. Following that, a motion to rescind a previous decision of council that is within 12 months will require a 10 votes, two-thirds. So if this fails, not getting us 10, and then this comes up and we want to make an amendment to what we've already decided, and that also will need 10. An amendment to the proposed bylaw that is on the agenda, that would not require a two-thirds vote. However, a change into council direction would, because that would be another rescinding. So if there is an amendment to the proposed bylaw that's on the agenda that is consistent with what council has previously directed, that would be a majority vote. But if it's to reverse a previous decision of council, which we called either an amendment or a rescinding of a previous decision, because that decision occurred in April, that would be two thirds. That was my understanding. So if we were to there's two opportunities for us to get to where Council Johnson wants to get to. This vote and potentially another vote both will require ten votes. So that's two kicks of the cat here, I guess. So thanks. All right, let's engage the vote as stated for the adding of this uh urgent business bypassing executive committee, requires 10 votes of counsel. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion has been defeated, 8-7, with Councillor Schmidt, Kelly, Pantozopoulos, Clark, Shabot, Wynus, and myself opposed. All right, I I believe I'm going back to you, uh Deputy Mayor Shabot. Or sorry, uh Madam Clerk first. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. I just wanted to note that we did prepare the time specifics for item 9.4.3 and item 9.414. If you would like to set those to be the first items following the new recess, we're ready with the the afternoon recess. Uh while I have you, uh Deputy Mayor Shabot, would you like to move those? Yeah, 'cause there's a conflict there, right? 'Cause we've already got on the agenda a time specific item for the selection. So we've we've set the uh the the briefing for one or one fifteen p.m. and this motion would be the afternoon recess. So at 3 45, we'd hear from police and fire. There's another issue though. It's with relations to the CAO selection committee. Was that not scheduled to be immediately after? That will be tomorrow at one PM when uh we start again. Why we're not gonna go into overflow. Uh we have some uh external advisors who are assisting with that and it made sense for such a strategic uh decision of council to go in fresh rather than at uh We're gonna have to come back tomorrow. Yes. Yeah. All right. And that's my recommendation, colleagues, is that we've we've often had the CO performance items at the very end of long meetings, and I recommend that we go in fresh, have the ability to uh be thoughtful and strategic and not that uh Not that I say you guys can't, it's just me. I'm not doing my best work at twelve or fifteen hours into the day. It's good to it's such an important decision, as uh Councillor Johnston had indicated. Okay, yeah, happy to make this motion. All right, that's been moved by Councillor Shabot. Can I Did you wanna weigh in, uh Madam Clerk? Nope, that's it. Thanks, Mayor. Okay, that's been moved by Councillor Shabot. Can I have a seconder, please? Uh seconded by Councillor Penazopoulos. Uh certainly I'll support this just for the operational needs of police and fire. I think it would be good to let them have uh this very specific time to come back. All right, any further discussion on this? Okay, seeing none, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote on this amendment. And this is to make the police and fire items to be time specific for 345. Or rather, the afternoon recess, whatever that time is. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion is carried 15 to 0. Can I go back to you, uh, Deputy Mayor Chabot? Did you have a withdrawal on one of the items? Withdrawing any of the items? I'm sorry. I I believe on your notice of motion you were intending to. Oh um yeah, so I guess I'm not sure if that's the appropriate time to do it or not. Um my notice of motion with regards to Climate change. I've recently received or actually downloaded a whole bunch of additional information that I think would satisfy at least a portion of my notice of motion, and the other one is incorporated into Councillor Johnson's notice of motion. So mine would be redundant. And as such, I will be moving a motion arising on Councillor Panthezopoulos' motion. Um if uh council is willing to support my withdrawal of this one and hopefully you can support my motion arising that will deal with some of the uh now further be it resolved uh aspects of my notice of motion. Madam Clerk, do I just seek unanimous consent uh for that or is this an amendment to the agenda? This will be an amendment to the agenda, and just to clarify, this will be to withdraw item 9.4.7, notice of motion, rescinding climate emergency value for money, audit, and climate strategy spending. That's the correct one. Yep. So we will just put that up on the screen right now, and that will be to withdraw it from today's agenda and file. Thank you. Is there a seconder for this withdrawal? Second by Councillor Johnston. On this, uh, Councillor Panasopolis? Councillor Shabu, you mentioned my motion. Um you're piggybacking off was just to clarify which one's one's that. I just did something piggybacking off Councillor Panasopoulos is um which which motion? No No, you there we have two uh notice of motion relating to the climate emergency declaration and I'm I just heard my name mentioned. It was uh so uh I must have it must be my mouth's not working properly. Apologies. all right. Uh any further discussion on uh allowing the amend or the amendment to withdraw, Councillor Shabose? Okay, seeing none. Over to you close, Councillor Shabuz. Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote, and this is to take off the agenda 9.4.7. Notice a motion, rescind climate emergency. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Display the results, please. On that, uh Councillor or thirty the motion is carried 13 to 2 with Councillor Clark and Jameson opposed. Thank you. All right, uh, we're not on consent yet, but are there any other changes to the agenda as amended? Going once, going twice. All right, uh, Madam Clerk, let's uh engage the vote, please, on the agenda as amended. Councillor Tyers, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor McLean, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried, 15 to 0. We have two process motions, but uh Madam Clerk, would you mind just summarizing what the changes to the agenda were? The changes to the agenda, yes, absolutely. So the first set of changes were to add two items of confidential urgent business. The first one is item 12.3.1, that will be a confidential briefing. The second one is item 12.3.2, that is a legal and ethics briefing. That item has been set to be dealt with following the lunch recess today, May 26th. The second change to today's agenda was to set item 9.4.3 with respect to the fire commission, as well as item 9.4.14, which was the notice of motion downtown police station. Those two items have been set to be dealt with as the first item following the afternoon recess today on May 26th. And just for clarification, the CAO item is set as a time specific for 1 p.m., but that is tomorrow. May twenty-seventh. Thank you very much. You're very welcome. All right, uh we have two uh process motions. Uh uh I'm seeking uh mover seconder for a first procedural motion, and it's to direct uh a public submission from the Calgary Advisory Committee on Housing with respect to the homeless here housing strategy item to be distributed for the corporate record. Essentially, it's a letter from the advisory committee on housing that would like to be added to that uh. Item just for the record. May I please have a mover? Moved by Councillor Schmidt. Seconded by Councillor Johnston. Any further debate on having this letter from uh our advisory committee on the uh record? Okay, seeing none, uh let's engage the evote, please. Councillor Shabot, thank you. Councillor Johnston, thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 15 to 0. I'm seeking a similar uh process motion as well. Our mayor's office has provided the clerk's office with uh letters in of support in regards to the notice of motion downtown police station. And I as a courtesy of counsel, would can I please have a mover and seconder to have those letters of support uh distributed and added to the corporate record? Moved by Councillor Clark, seconded by Councillor Ewell. Any uh debate or discussion on this? Okay, seeing none, let's engage the evote, please. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 15 to 0. And I I'm just gonna check in uh with you, Madam Clerk, co pilot. Uh did I are we done the agenda setting? You have set the agenda. We have set the agenda. Great. Awesome. All right. Now uh I am we're on the minutes. I'm seeking a mover and seconder for confirmation of minutes. Happy to move both sides seeing no errors or omissions unless my AI buddy over there has found some All right, that's been moved by uh Deputy Mayor Chabot. The minutes for 21 April 2026 and 28 April 2026. Can I please have a seconder? Uh seconded by Councillor Yule. Any further discussion on that? Okay. Seeing none, let's engage the evote, please, uh Madam Clerk. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. All right, the motion is carried 15 to 0. The minutes for 21 April and 28 April 2026 have been approved. May I please have a mover and seconder for the consent agenda omnibus motion. Moved by uh Councillor Yule, seconded by Councillor Kelly. That is on the table. I'll go now to the lights on the consent agenda. Councillor Dallywell, you're up first. Thanks, Mayor. I would like to pull 7.1.1. There will be a little amendment. We are changing time and date on our multi sport fueled house committee. And the clerks have that motion when the time comes. And then I would also like to poll 7.11 just to vote against it. That's it for me. Thank you. Okay. Over to uh Councillor Tyres, please. Yeah, I was also uh requesting to poll 7.11 as I have in the an amendment. Uh Councillor Wynus, please. I'd like to pull 7.8 and 7.9 for amendments. Okay. Anyone else on the consent agenda? All right, so to summarize, we've uh pulled 7.1, the scheduling of the field house committee, 7.8, the Safer Together Community Safety and Wellbeing Plan. 7.9, uh home is here, housing strategy update, and 7.11, uh free fare zone review. Anyone else like to pull any items? Okay, seeing none, uh let's engage the e vote on the omnibus motion for all of that on the screen. Less 7.11, 7.8, 7.9, and 711. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please uh display the results. On that, the uh motion has carried 15 to 0. And we will now move to is it uh 12.2.1, madam clerk? That's right, Mayor. Uh we're now on 12.2.1 May 26 update on the 2027 to 2030 budget cycle C 2026 of the year 283. Is it over to you, CO Dongleish, to introduce the item? Or uh Mr. Tucker. Mr. Tucker. And for this item, just wanted to um confirm this item is or was scheduled to be in camera in the closed session. Um at this point, uh, can I have a motion to move into closed session? Okay, move by uh councillor Ewell, seconded by uh Councillor Panasopoulos. Any further discussion on that? Uh yes, sorry. Okay, Councillor Johnston? Yeah. Sorry, can we just get a short clarification why we're gonna go on camera for this? Like I understand it's I'll just hope and get a verbal uh reasoning for it. Thank you. The reasons for confidentiality the information is still draft, incomplete, and subject to change as we continue to review and refine it. If released publicly now, it could be misunderstood as a budget recommendation, which it is not. The numbers will change and therefore could create confusion and reduce trust in the final budget. The information at this point in the year is very draft. It's being provided to council for transparency and it remains incomplete and subject to change. This approach is consistent with how the budget process works at the provincial level, where early and incomplete information is kept confidential until validated and ready for public release. And as well, once we move into the fall, all of this information for transparency will be released at that time. Thank you. Can I I just uh we'll jump in uh for brief debate on that and just to be explicit here. Does typically the uh provincial and federal government provide draft versions, or is there a version of a lockup confidentiality until it's uh fully complete and ready to be presented to uh uh the the legislature or the house? Just in terms of best practices. For compar uh for comparison. Or to make it more uh explicit, what would be the provincial government's approach to how they build out their budget and how it's presented publicly into the uh legislature? Thank you for the question. Yes, as CFO Tucker mentioned in his response to Councillor Johnston, draft budgets are prepared confidentially, and then there is a release at one time to the public of the final product. And just to be explicit, this item is not a draft budget. No, it's not. It's uh as CFO Tucker said, it is um it has budget information. It's not a recommendation, it is an amalgamation of information that we've collected that we're sharing with council. Okay, thank you so much. Uh before that, I will go to Councillor Atkinson for an introduction. Uh council colleagues, uh I'd like to you all to uh welcome our friends here from Capitol Hill School. This is a grade one class. Capitol Hill School is uh a great neighborhood school. All of my kids went to Capitol Hill School. Uh it's very close to my heart. I've walked to it many a day uh over the past couple of years, and I am just so happy to have these kids here. Yesterday got to meet the class and we were talking about uh their theme for the week, which is I belong to a community and I can help care for it. And uh these little guys had all kinds of great thoughts about how to care for community, how we build community, how we be friends with one another and make uh our city better. So uh, grade one class, if I can ask you to stand up and be recognized by my council colleagues here. Thank you all for coming. And uh we are actually just about to uh head off, I think, into closed session. So you don't have to sit around watching uh this this uh for too long. But you know this is this is how how we care for our city is we're we're doing that work, we're heading into discussions about how we uh spend money for the coming years uh here in the city, and so we're making those decisions. So thank you for joining us. Thanks for coming down to City Hall, and I hope you uh continue to to work on building community and making our city better every day. Thank you. Yeah, Thank you. Uh with that, let's engage the e vote on the motion to move into closed session. Councillor Schmidt, your vote, please? Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 14 to 1 with Councillor Johnston opposed. All right, we will move now to the council board report. I know. Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Kelly, Present. Councillor McLean, Here. Councillor Pantozopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Here. Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Shabot, present Councillor Clark, Councillor Dolly Wall. here. Councillor Jameson. Councillor Johnston Here. and Mayor Farkas. I'm here. Thank you, Mayor. All right. I believe we have to rise and report. Okay. May I please have a motion to rise and report? Moved by Councillor Ewell. Seconded by Councillor Kelly. All in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that is carried. I believe we have a set of recommendations and I'll look to Councillor Shabot to move that. Yeah, happy to move the recommendations. Um as you'll note, um the last one is specifically in relations to franchise fees, uh looking to increase the amount that we are collecting from uh from ATCO gas on franchise fees, which is, if I may say, still significantly less than Edmonton collects from their customers. All right, that's been moved by uh Councillor Shabot. Seconded by uh Councillor Clark. Any further debate or discussion on this? Yes, sir. I'd like to uh Councillor Johnston. sorry. I'd like to split five from the rest, please. Okay. Any other uh request on this? Councillor Kelly, please. Uh just uh from a procedural standpoint, should uh if we're calling a division, should four and five be called together? Just or can they stand separate? We can call them separately if you have a desire to, but uh four is just uh uh a report, whereas five is a course of action. The course of action doesn't require the report necessarily. Oh that's fine. I just wanted to make sure procedurally we were okay. All right, colleagues, any objection for us voting uh on one, two, three, and four and then voting on five? Okay, seeing no objection back to you, uh Councillor or rather Deputy Murray Shabot a close, please. Yeah, no, it's uh great discussion and uh looking forward to future reports. Closed? All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote on uh bullets one, two, three, and four. Please. Might just take us one moment, but the vote will come once it's been split. Thanks. Uh colleagues, please stand by. Councillor Ewell, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Pentazoulis, your vote, please. Yes, Thank you. Councillor Jameson, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Chabot, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Uh please display the results. On bullets one through four, that is carried 15 to 0. And let's engage the e vote, please, on bullet five. Councillor Ewell, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Pantozopoulos, your vote, please. yes. Thank you. Councillor Jamison, your vote, please. Yes, Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the um that recommendation is carried 12 to 3 with counselors Johnston, Ward. And Y Ness opposed. So we had a time-specific item for the ethics briefing and the legal briefing from city solicitor. It was supposed to be after lunch. It's now the first opportunity after lunch. I'll be seeking a motion now to go into closed session and further the inviting uh uh Dr. Laidlaw, our external counsel, to be authorized to attend the meeting. Uh can I please have a mover and seconder? Moved by Councillor Kelly, seconded by Councillor Atkinson. Any further debate on that, colleagues? Okay, seeing none, we'll call the question. Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote, please. Councillor Ewell, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Pantasopoulos, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Jameson, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please. Yes, Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 14 to 1. We will now go to our border. Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Councillor Ward. Councillor Wyness. Councillor Ewell. Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Chabot, Councillor Clark, Councillor Dollywall, Councillor Jameson, Councillor Johnston, Councillor Kelly, Present. Councillor McLean, Here Councillor Pantozopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, and Mayor Farkas. I'm here. Thank you, Mayor. All right. I believe we must uh rise and report. May I please have a mover and seconder for that? Moved by Councillor Kelly, seconded by um councillor Chabot. Uh on that, uh all in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that uh motion is carried. Uh we have a set of recommendations, I believe, on the ethics and legal briefing. Okay, it's up on the screen. Could I have a mover and seconder for that? Moved by Councillor Chabot. Second by Councillor Panizopoulos. Any further discussion or debate on that? All right, seeing none, uh let's engage the e vote, please, on that. That's okay, you're great. Councillor Pantazapoulos, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Jameson is absent. Councillor Kelly, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please. yes, Thank you. Councillor Johnston, your vote please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the com or uh the vote result rather. On that, the motion is carried 14 to 0. Clerk, I believe we're now on a the time sensitive items for following the afternoon recess. Do do you recall if the police or the fire one was first up? The fire item was first, Mayor Farkas. All right, I'll go to Councillor Wenes to introduce. Thank you. Um this notice of motion is to establish a fire protection service committee. Um we currently have a police commission as a governance model to see one of our largest safety responders in the city under the police act directed by the province. However, for the fire department, they do not have that same directive coming out of the province. This council knows how important fire response is for our city and our neighbors and our community. And the the business unit crosses many departments. We have to build fire halls, we have to do emergency response. And I find, having been on council for the last term, that uh their importance gets kind of lost in our governance structure. It pops up at mid cycle budget adjustments where we hear from the fire department about their Their needs and their policy direction, or we will get a memo saying that something is being decommissioned. I think by standing up a committee, it will allow council to keep a line of sight on a very important business unit for the city of Calgary for safety and allow a better governance model where counselors will get to work in partnership with citizens to have oversight on where Calgarians want to see us grow, what innovative fire response or models they want to see enacted in our city. I think this is a nice bridge between standing up a commission where Council will still ultimately have a budget authority, but we like to have work hands-on council on noticing. And so by using a committee, we will actually be able to still stay hands-on and have uh more proactive budget uh directives to with the the fire department. So that's my open for now. I can answer anything else uh depending on the questions that come up on this item. Thank you, Councillor Weness. I'm going to say that's seconded by Councillor Yule. Okay. All right, that is uh on the table. Colleagues, make sure that uh you're in the back in the regular meeting. Uh Councillor Schmidt, please. Uh yeah, a couple questions for administration. Um just one some clarity on what this might solve because currently this goes to community development committee. So what would this achieve versus say standing having a standing item on every community development committee that could address fire and their needs? Councillor Schmidt, that would be another way to address some of the concerns I'm sure that Councillor Wynus will want to address in her close. I think she's also interested in the role of citizen members on this committee, which would be different from Community Development Committee. And then as far as citizen members, um, I would assume the terms of reference would have the same. Types of restrictions on having those citizen members free of conflict when it comes to discussing and helping council make decisions when it comes to fire protective services. Yes, that's what I anticipate would be developed out in the terms of reference and the bylaw that are recommended here. And then final question would just be around capacity of administration and council, given that we clearly have a busy meeting scheduled, this meeting being an example of that. Do we do we have any sense of how often this would meet and uh where it would fit in scheduling and if that's something that is is feasible given the current workload and scheduling that we already have? Councillor Johnston, or sorry, I was looking at Councillor Johnston next to you. Councillor Schmidt, those are things that there have been some speculative conversation about. Again, I imagine Councillor Wynus might want to address that in her close. We are certainly mindful that that's some of what we would need to seek to address as we develop these terms of reference. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Councillor Johnston, please. Yeah, and I'm Maybe thinking uh Councillor Wynus will be able to cover some of this in her clothes. Uh but my question is is will because I I'll be honest, I don't know much about the police commission, um, but would establishing one for the fire department, um, would it create more accountability? Would there be more avenues for accountability or oversight? Um is that what this is trying to accomplish as well? Um is that something admin could Knowing what the the police commission does and what this is uh trying to do. Again, I'm sure Councillor Wynus will want to address this in her close, in part because of her experience with police commission. What I would say is wherever we shine a bright light, we will see things in more detail. And so if it's the will of council to shine a brighter light here, whether as a separate committee, whether as a standing item on another committee, I have no question that, as I said, wherever you shine a bright light, you will see more detail. Right, okay, because this is a very large budget, and I'm all for better accountability and oversight. Um, and so I I I do support this. I just want to make sure. Um, and I'll be honest, like I've had a lot of firefighters come to me personally about this, and um there's hesitation in it that they're not sure if things are gonna change because of it, and the hope is that it does. Um, and so I guess. The metrics I want to see um are efficiency and potentially less complaints from firefighters about potentially leadership or um how things are run. And I'm hoping that this will address that. So I'll leave it there. Thank you. Thank you. We've uh run out, so I'm gonna put myself in the queue. I I see Fire Chief Dongworth uh is with us and invited to support this item. Uh I'm not hearing it. Chief, can I ask you, please, to to approach? And I'm gonna open with what uh maybe an element of debate, but I've been challenged in my time on council how bluntly deeply buried you are in the organizational structure as compared to the Calgary Police Chief. Uh the fact that our fire department is just as important to the Calgary Police Service, I feel that a lot of your ad, and this is not knocking ELT or the the chain of command, but a lot of your advocacy, I think, is perhaps blunted as it gets up the chain of command to council uh in a way that perhaps the advocacy From the or uh Chief McClellan is not. Um and in that spirit, I'd like to ask you more directly uh do you how do you feel in terms of the advantages, disadvantages of this direction? What are the pros and cons? How do you see this in terms of impacting your work? And could you weigh in generally as an advisor to council on uh this course of action and and if there may be any any other thoughts you might have in terms of um how we could best uh execute on what really our goal is and what Councillor Wines' stated aim is in terms of. Um efficiency as well as advocacy and accountability. I'm just not oh the mic's on, that's why I can't turn it on. Yeah, I'm sorry, uh yeah, through the chair. Uh there were a few questions bundled in there for sure. Um one thing I would remind council is if if you go back to the time before I became chief, um the fire chief did have a direct line to council, but that was changed uh on the transition to to my leadership. Um so historically we have had a more direct line to council. It didn't, it wasn't a committee, it was just a uh you know a a direct line to the, I believe the chair of the what was the equivalent of the CDC at the time, if I remember rightly. Um I think your observation is correct. It can be challenging to navigate the layers that I have to get to to speak publicly on safety issues and other things for sure. So I see that as an advantage. I look around, we've done some work around how other fire departments, large urban fire departments, are what the governance model looks like, and sure there's some with commissions, there's some where the fire chief reports to the mayor, and I'm not suggesting any of these, by the way, some where they report to the the equivalent of the chief administrative officer, somewhere they report to council. There's a whole whole bunch of models, and then there's some which kind of closely or c more closely replicate where we are today, where they report to a general manager or the equivalent. Of course, we've got the nuance of it's it's kind of general manager, COO, CAO, CAO is my uh chain of command, which uh you know that one could argue that's a little it it doesn't help uh us with nimbleness when we need to speak on public safety issues, I would say at times. Um other than that, I I hope I've answered somewhat your question. If I've missed any part, please um please uh ask me again. sounds good. How do you see this uh impacting your work? Do you do you see this? Are you generally supportive of this approach? Uh understand that it's somewhat novel in terms of not uh being executed in other jurisdictions, and that's not necessarily a reason not to do this, but it's relatively uncharted territory. No, I I'm supportive of this uh this direction for sure. All right. Uh we we colleagues, we we have with us uh members from Uh IAFF uh or some union leaders, uh because they're not part of administration, we can't ask them to approach. But I would also like an opportunity maybe to ask them to weigh in on behalf of the membership. That's typically not allowed. For us to do that, I believe we'd have to seek a suspension of the procedure bylaw to allow and invite them to speak uh to approach. Could I ask somebody to make that motion? Okay, moved by Councillor Clark, uh seconded by Councillor Ewell. Uh I didn't prepare this in advance, but I'm gonna attempt a voice vote on that. Uh all in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, uh, I'd ask uh perhaps a representative from our Calgary Firefighters Association to please approach. Get the cuff out of my system. Similar question to you as to the chief. Uh, how do you feel this impacts your work? Uh is it is this something that you support? Uh do you have any advice for us as we pursue this direction? Yeah, thanks for the question. You know, with in my time on Local Two Five Five, I've certainly seen the challenges of having the chief where he's located in the organization chart. As we move towards, you know, a city of two million people and a department well over two thousand members. I think we got to be ready to adapt, be transparent to taxpayers, and transparent to council about what direction we want to take this fire department in. It is somewhat of a unique structure, but I think we're in the position where we should be leading instead of following. And I think this would be a great example moving forward of how fire departments can operate and report to their prospective councils. And if this was to get off the ground and to to be cruising at altitude, what would you see as some of the outcomes for your members? Um it's certainly transparency to the membership. Um it's uh it's having that committee, you know, be able to um act more timely and more effectively and basically give the members a voice through us and through the chief to the committee and then directly to council. And do you have any advice in terms of what that skills matrix matrix or that committee membership should look like? From a public's perspective. Now, who do you think should sit on this uh committee? You know, that's that's uh hopefully gets flushed out a little bit in the terms and reference. But um, you know, we want we want people engaged in public safety. We want to create a safe, you know, city to live in, and we want people that are gonna be invested in seeing the fire department where we need to be, because right now we're not where we where we need to be, we need to get there. And I I know there's nuance and debate on this, but uh former members of our Calgary Police Service, for example, are barred from sitting in our police commission. Yeah. Would you see it of value to have former firefighters, or would you like to keep this arm's length from the fire department in that way? And again, from a selfish point of view, I'd love to see former members on it. I think they bring a great perspective about what the needs of the fire department are and what we need as we move forward. You know, I do see a conflict with that a little bit, but I think if if the if the vetting of those members is done properly, um I see huge value in members that served as firefighters, men and women, the Calgary Fire Department certainly have a valuable input in that in that committee. Thank you very much uh for being here and uh coming up to speak. You probably weren't uh you're somewhat put him on the spot and I appreciate that. It's all good. I didn't have any paper in my hand. I'll see you at the scare climb. So, colleagues, if I can just debate briefly, I want to say thank you, Councillor Wynus, for your leadership, allowing me to put my name on this motion with you. For all the reasons that we've heard, I'm very happy to support this. I think just having the line of sight, the contact with the chief is really important. It's the level scrutiny as well, the oversight. Uh certainly I think the intent for many of us is to support our fire department as an essential service, making sure that the needs of the fire department are brought up to the surface. But then there's also the accountability element, right? It's it's important for such a large line item in our budget to have that level of. Uh polite, but polite scrutiny and oversight. And uh certainly with the support of the chief, the support of the membership, I think that this is a the prudent way to go to modernize um modernize how we deal with and address public safety, given that it's such a uh central priority for us as a council. So over to Councillor Kelly for debate, please. Uh thank you, worship. Uh mainly I just wanted to enter the queue to thank Councillor Wine S for bringing this forward because uh as I've expressed to other members of council before, I'm not I'm not afraid of uh taking a look at the overall governance system to see what it what it is that we could do better or more innovatively, and this is sort of the first one that I've seen in our time here that is uh offering that. Uh I I recognize the fact that obviously the devil will be in the details, and so sort of to administration as we go forward and executing against this. Uh I'll be really interested to see what we come up with, uh what you propose as it relates to the terms of reference, et cetera, because um it'll be rather precedent setting in terms of so I encourage uh um administration to do a lot of due diligence here and not just think about it from the point of view of uh I fire protective services committee, but what it is that's happening here and how it may apply uh in the future, should we as a council decide to want to do something like this otherwise. I recognize the fact that we obviously can't have a committee for every single business unit of the city of Calgary. Uh, but this I I think is a is a great place for us to uh to start and take a look at uh see if there might be some better models where we can uh where we can get some more members of the public involved in uh in the governance. So happy to support today. Councillor McLean, please. Yeah, thanks, Mayor. I I uh I fully support this. We have a police commission that Council Ryanance and I sit on very valuable tool for oversight. We need it for the firefighters as well. Very, very I've talked to a few retired firefighters and w a really huge reminder, and it's very sad to talk about it, was what would happen in Mahogany Lake. Not long ago. We don't have a dive team. We don't have some s oversight where something like that could present drownings or future deaths and we're already stretched to our limits. That this is uh we can talk about silly things about whether we're providing soda pop in our fridge. This is what's more important, so I'm gonna fully support this. Alrighty, over to Councillor Winnetz to close, please. Thanks. Um I hope you can all support this first of its kind governance model in Canada. We would be leaders if you support this and stand up this terms of reference. It will help us also connect the dots on the safety challenges that the fire department are seeing. Even with planning and redevelopment, I saw a fire truck making this really tight turn where uh we're told that a firetruck can get by. Yes, it can, but it almost scraped a few cars. Good thing the guy was an exceptional driver. Um, and I'm glad I didn't have to drive the firetruck that day. Uh but but things like that where our assumptions at council will be accurate to the real world experience of a firefighter is why this uh governance model is so important. So I please support. All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote, please, on the recommendations. Councillor Jamison is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And that motion is carried 14 to 0. We'll now move to the notice of motion on downtown police station. I'm not allowed to allow any spontaneous applause from the audience. Thank you for your service, gentlemen. On that, uh Deputy Mayor Shabot, if you might don't mind taking the chair. That's crazy. Exactly. I thought that was gonna that's right for the shot in there for water bottles. There's a good shot. Mayor Ferkis. Yep. If you don't mind, just give me a moment to get situated. Sure. Is that what it is? So once again, I'm been relegated to Comic Relief. All right. Uh colleagues, thank you so much for this opportunity to uh introduce this notice of motion. It is a notice of motion to explore the feasibility of a downtown police station. The reason that I'm bringing this forward is that public safety has been identified, I'd say, unanimously amongst this council as a key priority of ours, and ensuring that our downtown core is safe, welcoming, and prosperous is a central priority. And given that Calgary is now the only major city without a permanent downtown police station following the closure of our Victoria Park station in 2017, it bears examining whether that uh lack of uh permanent district office or community uh hub is uh appropriate. So uh I'll acknowledge the incredible leadership of the the police commission as well as the Calgary Police Chief, and I'll also acknowledge the the presence of the uh CPS community counter at uh 6th Avenue Southwest. But given that it doesn't constitute a district office, it doesn't have a 24-7 capacity, no patrol deployment, and no arrest processing function. Uh we know based on some of the most recent uh reports to us as a council that uh the 2025 annual policing plan year end uh report confirmed that violent crime and social disorder are disproportionately concentrated in the downtown core relative to the rest of the city. And I also want to take a moment to to include. Thank Council colleagues for engaging with members of the community. We know that policing is only one element to public safety. We know as a council we need to be not just tough on crime but also tougher on the causes, even still. Many of you have made uh very significant outreach opportunities uh available to your constituents, hosting town halls with the Calgary Police Service, uh, being present in the community to discuss this as a topic in each of your wards. And I'm sure that uh many of you have heard from local businesses and residents about the need to keep our foot on the gas on this. I will acknowledge that council has a jurisdiction responsibility to fully respect. We do not direct the operations of our Calgary Police Service. But that said, seeking information in terms of whether existing uh policing facilities are adequate or whether additional infrastructure resources are required to support effective policing is a core governance, an explicit core governance responsibility of us as a council. And this is uh stated out uh under the police act as well as the amending act. Uh I want to thank as well uh uh Commissioners uh Wines and McLean. I know that uh on your uh in terms of your debate that was brought at executive committee, it really underscored the need for us to work with Commission. And colleagues, you'll see in the the text above that the language that had been indicated from the police commission has been fully adopted here. And at this point, uh the Calgary Police Commission has confirmed that they will participate in a downtown station feasibility study if council wishes to conduct one. Uh, wanted to highlight some of the the tweaks to the actual be it resolved uh as compared to the executive committee. You'll see that it's not just establishing a uh feasibility of establishing a permanent CPS district office, it's now CPS district office or multi-service public safety and community hub. Uh you'll also see the explicit uh uh uh bullet four on the determination of whether the Calgary Police Commission supports the establishment of a new permanent police facility. So this isn't just whether it can be done, it's asking police commission's uh opinion on whether it should be done. So, with that, uh I'm I'm opened and I'm hoping that uh one of you are willing to second this motion. Thanks for that introduction. We've got some folks to speak. I'm sorry, do who's your seconder? Councillor McClain. Councillor Weinus, your first up Thanks. Um just like at executive, the points I pointed out, uh the notice motion wasn't fully baked when exec passed it, and now we find ourselves here. Uh so now I get to debate. Uh you're overstepping uh into operations of the police. That is why we have the commission. This is a decision that was made by previous commissions and previous police chiefs to shut down the downtown station. A building doesn't make public safety. You can go to Maine and Hastings in Vancouver and see that there is a police station. They arrest people, they process them there. And Maine and Hastings is not safe. We have all the social services at in downtown East Side. Still not safe. Look at the and if you follow what's happening with the vulnerable homeless population and the SROs. We aren't solving this with buildings. We need health care. We need justice system reform. So to go down this path for campaign promises made, campaign promises kept is poor governance on this council. You can allow the police commission to do their job, and that would be better. You can allow the police chief to do her job. Because what you are walking yourself down to down the path of is uh the police have a budget ass that is coming before us, they will put the budget ask before us and will hopefully get uh this council to approve another 120 million dollars for this building or whatever the cost of this project will be. So it is poor governance if this council. Directs administration to do the work of the police in partnership with the police, and it is not going to solve this problem. So we can either come up with a better prop plan and use our governance authority on the safety well being plan, working with our civic partners and providing them funding because the money that we will spend on this could be better used to fund the groups that are out there doing the work. So I will not be supporting this. There's enough signatures on this that that is kind of a done deal, but this is poor governance on this council to actually go down this path and it's a bad precedent for us to set. Councillor wynus, uh up next, Councillor Pantozopoulos. thanks so much, and just Maybe just uh questions for the mayor as he uh closes. Um, you know, the additions and and particularly if you could speak to uh the the the confirmation will participate. What did that feel like? What did that look like? I know there was some sensitivity and and number four, um just this is this a right of first refusal? You know, essentially we own budget. And um if if the police commission says go, no, go, we have a strategy, we sort of works. Maybe you could just sort of speak to that. Because that does feel like that where one, two, three is you're working in collaboration, and then there becomes this sort of final um uh you know, go no go. Particular when you talk about multi service hub, like I'm just trying to understand is the end of the day is if we want to have is just like Councillor Wyness said, uh uh a warming sta uh center, uh home regard I don't know what that looks like, some sort of consolidation with the province about a medical center, etc. and so forth. And and now all of a sudden we've given this authority and approval, which Which y you know in the original maybe we'd have a chance to chat, but maybe you could just sort of reconcile that. Was that the intent? Uh the right of first refusal. Given that it's a broader, I totally I can see the logic of a police station. Sure, you know, you have your strong opinion, but we're looking at sort of a multifaceted. So if you could in your close just address that, that would be uh wonderful. Uh thank you so much. Councillor Pantasopoulos, Councillor McClain for debate. Yeah, just brief debate. I'm gonna support this surprise. To me, what it is that we're exploring this, but a big reason why I think th the need for it would be required is not only visibility. We know that's important. We're talking about a free fare zone, and those could kind of go hand in hand. The reason why this is gonna that's gonna be a big debate is just because of maybe the crime and social disorder that's downtown. So we can work on that and it's just time, it's processing. Uh taking everybody up to the northwest. That takes a tremendous amount of time for our officers to be going back and forth for processing. Maybe we don't know what it looks like. Uh, I do know again that that's something I know the the province is very interested in public safety and different ways to tackle social disorder. Maybe there's uh some incentive from them we can we can explore these things. So that's what we're doing here is exploring it, and I think this is not only just a campaign promised by people, it's what the people wanted. If you did the surveys, that's what it was top of the list. What people wanted was the public safety. And and what we're seeing right now, just to be honest, is it is kind of unacceptable. We have to do something, and this is something. So I'll support. Uh thanks, Councillor McClain, Councillor Schmidt. Uh thank you. Question for administration. Um how how do we have an estimate about the resources, administrative time, cost that would be needed to undertake? This first step. Councillor Schmidt, just while Ryan Meyer is coming down, I can tell you that we've done some sort of conversational scoping, but we were waiting for this direction in order to dig in. Good afternoon. My name is Ryan Meyer from Project Development. Through the chair to Councillor Schmidt, we don't have a perfect answer to that question at this moment, and we can get back to you on that. But we have started to put together what a scope of work would be, both in terms of staff resources as well as consulting support. With a timeline, we would need consulting support to work through this and to work with Calgary Police to understand what those requirements would be while also looking at the various options that are proposed within the notice of motion. Okay, thank you. Wondering if a later timeline would ease these those costs or the need for consultants. Uh through the through the chair to Councillor Schmidt. Uh at this time, the best way to tackle this will be through consultants, just to look at all the various options and to make sure that we're bringing you a robust options analysis and that it's truly technically feasible on the options that we would look at. Okay. Now the I'll say that the multi service public safety and community hub was my suggestion. Does that Complicate this unnecessarily, or was that is that something that you see as being able to be integrated into the needs assessment process as well? Again, through the chair, I don't see that as a huge complicating factor. We do this on a regular basis as we look at needs. We would certainly start with uh the needs of police and look at what else is happening within the downtown core and what some of those partners would be. I don't see it as a significant um diversion from what we would do. Okay, thank you. Next question is uh most likely for City Solicitor Flowen, but I I I put a lot of weight on Councillor Y Ness's comments here and her concerns. So wondering if it's possible to clarify how closely we're skirting the line here in In governance and um essentially staying within our lane from from a legal perspective with the split between commission and council. For sure. Um so section 27 of the police act makes it clear that a municipality uh that has res assumed responsibility for establishing a municipal police service shall establish and maintain, quote, an adequate and effective municipal police service. And the act further goes on to clarify what the roles and responsibilities of police commission is. The act is very clear that council does not have the authority of police commission, and that police commission is responsible for allocating the funds that council approves in the budget, and that that budget is created and presented to council through a collaboration of the police chief and police commission. So, in other words, council does not does not create that budget. They just have a responsibility for ensuring an adequate and effective service. And when it comes to establishing the budget, council can ask some questions in furtherance of that. Okay, thank you. I'll end with a short, well maybe not short debate, whatever, three minutes, I guess. Um I I d d did and still do have some concerns about going down this process. I I I think based on the signatories to this and the fact that it Would have a the greatest effect on the wards of both myself and Councillor Atkinson and to some extent Councillor Clark. Um I I do thank the mayor for uh allowing the the multi service public safety and community hub aspect to be in there. That that's very important to me. I think that with if it should we pass safer together today, that is something that aligns with that strategy. Um Was this the most ideal way for us to go down this route? I have some thoughts about that. But given the pressures and the needs of the community in Ward 8, where you last week I was meeting with a business owner at his business about his public safety issues. I have another meeting with a condo board next week around the same thing. It is something that I'm finding myself doing every week. So I will support this today because of the strong emphasis I will put on the value of having something that is different than a district office, where it includes multiple partners, because the public safety issues that are being proposed or uh communicated with me from people who are experiencing this every day, whether that be their home or their business, is with Mostly nonviolent crime, but disruption, property crime, and trespassing, and that to me speaks to the need for the multi-service hub because we can't arrest our way out of those types of crimes because you're not going to keep somebody in jail forever for nonviolent crimes. And so the value of having a place where we can better coordinate the services and the collaboration, the collaborative work that we're already doing, I think that would be the primary benefit here, and would actually benefit the people who are experiencing this every day, whether or not they are the ones suffering from mental health and addictions issues or the people who are dealing with the disruption in their everyday lives. So what I would like to see as a final product with this is that multi-service model and I think back to the old rise up idea that uh died on the vine and if we can rejuvenate that that is what I see is the most positive outcome here. Thank you, uh Councillor Schmidt. Uh Councillor Tyres, sir, up next. Uh yeah. Um first question was about the multi-service public safety and community hub. Um what role would the district office be in that hub? And how what percentage of like I I guess I'm just trying to figure out like what what percentage would be police and what percentage would be you know, community hub. Councillor Tyres, I don't think we've had a chance to scope that out yet. I'm not aware of Okay, so it's a brand brand new idea that we're we're uh we're just exploring right now. Okay, thank you for that. Um when we came up with safer city colleagues um as a council priority, this is exactly what I had in mind. So happy to see it. Calgaryans have been clear that they don't feel safe downtown. This is especially true for women in our city who often face the greatest risk walking alone when it's dark uh downtown. So I want to see Calgary be in line with other major cities, as uh our mayor just um said, which always almost always have downtown police stations. Um and visibility of our outstanding women and men that serve with the Calgary Police Service is an important tool to. Uh improve our public safety. So I'm happy to support this initiative so we can continue to build a safe city where Calgarians do not skip on visiting our downtown because they don't feel safe. Thanks. Thanks, Councillor Tyres. Councillor Johnson, you have the floor. Sorry, um just for people who don't understand why we had a downtown office, um I think it was under Chief. Chaffin that we got rid of it. What why did we get rid of the earlier downtown office? District office, sorry. Councillor Johnston, I don't think there's anyone who here who could speak to what went into that decision. Sorry. Okay. I'm just worried we're gonna make the same mistake. So I'm I'm hoping this notice of motion as it looks that it's exploratory in nature that we can learn from the mistakes from the past and hopefully rectify those. Um I mean there there's a lot to this. Um I guess time frame if we come back quarter four, twenty twenty six. Um I guess ideally when could we have a downtown station um ready to go? Uh guesstimate. Ten years, twenty years? I know Mr. Meyer just sat down. I think it really depends on the outcome of the initial scoping study and what we're looking at. So we kind of give you an understanding until we know the site and size and more complexity. Okay. Yeah, that was a yeah. No, no worries. Um that's all I had. Thank you. Uh thank you, Councillor Johnson. Um the mayor can uh oh sorry. Um Councillor Atkinson. Go ahead. Yeah, I won't be supporting this today. We heard that it is the role and responsibility of the police commission to sort of say what funds they need, how those funds should be used, and that is on capital as well as operating. So we we approve capital in our budget for the police, and those asks come directly from the police commission. It is not ours to be making determinations whether that's oh, we decided that it would be really nice to have a safer presence downtown, so let's uh let's land a tank in. That's not the purview of council. That is why we have a police commission. Uh we we don't make capital decisions for the police, and we don't make operational decisions for the police in terms of how they spend their money to advance policing efforts within our city. Um safety within downtown absolutely is a concern. I hear it from businesses and residents and folks visiting downtown. Absolutely, it is something that we need to be dealing with. But buildings do not provide safety, period. They do not provide safety. What uh a motion like this is doing is putting off the real needs of Calgarians right now. that uh things that are happening right now, hanging them in The hopes of a motion coming together for some building that will transform policing within the downtown. No, the folks who are doing that work need to be supported. They need to have their operational and capital needs met. Those asks come from the police commission, and you either trust the police commission to be doing the vetting and working with the Calgary Police Service to decide what those numbers are and land the proper safety precautions that need to come from police in the downtown, uh, or you don't. And and making a decision like this is saying that you do not actually trust the police commission. You do not trust uh the Calgary Police Service to advocate to us their budgetary asks on a capital uh request model and uh and on an operational model. So I won't be supporting this. I you know, I will be supporting what the police commission brings to council in the budget. In the fall, because that is how the police is going to be able to meet the needs of now. Not five years from now, ten years from now, when this building maybe comes to fruition. We need to not be pulling away operational resources and planning resources. There are significant planning resources that go into emotion and meeting the needs of a motion like this that uh pull our attention away. And we can suddenly sort of say, okay, downtown businesses, okay, downtown residents, don't worry. There's a building coming. A building's coming, and that's going to be your savior for safety. No, no. We should have the expectation of our police and our our our Police Commission to be doing right by the residents and the businesses of downtown tomorrow and in the next budget ask, not five years down the road when this building maybe comes to fruition. So I won't be supporting this today. And I uh I I would ask my my fellow counselors to not wade into this territory and instead to use the mechanisms that are are not just in place within our council chambers, but they are in place at a higher level of government to pull those pieces out because there is serious consequences to having political meddling within police. We shouldn't be doing it. I'll end there. Uh thank you, Councillor Atkinson. I'm gonna weigh in briefly. I uh initially you signed on to this notice of motion because it's I guess for lack of a better term, it's like motherhood in apple pie. It's it's uh it's a feel good, sound good kind of uh initiative. I'm not sure what the deliverable is going to look like in the end. Certainly likely this is going to pass. And so I'm kind of looking forward to seeing what uh what the outcome is going to be of this. Um we uh we do know that that there's been some changes with regards to the composition of the Calgary Planning Commission, including uh introduction by the provincial government to add members of their choosing, which is not all of our decision making. So the province is at the table, as it were. Um I I think I guess from the what it comes down to for me is if this had been driven by uh the police commission initially and they had come forward um as a you know a request from council, then I would be likely more inclined to see this to the end. Um as a a directive from counsel. Um I think Council Wynus's uh argument was quite compelling. Um and uh And like I say, I I do believe this is going to go through based on what I've heard so far around the table. I just don't know what kind of uh um consultation is gonna result from the discussions with the province. Um we certainly could use some additional funding from the province. We've stated before uh our per capita amount hasn't been augmented since I've been on council and it hasn't been indexed to uh to inflation, which certainly would be extremely beneficial to us. Um Whilst it still does track with population, it's falls far short of what our need is uh in so far as meeting the inflationary changes. It's been over 21 years, so I think it's time for at least an inflationary increase. Uh, anyways, um be very interested in hearing what the discussions are with the province in relations to this, so I'm happy to see that it's included in the in the motion. But uh for today I I'm not gonna support this and certainly interested in seeing what the outcome is gonna be. Back to you to close. Oh, sorry. Councillor Johnson, question? Is that okay? Just a quick clarification question? Only one option to speak at you've had your opportunity, I'm I'm afraid. Okay. Uh over to you to close, uh Mayor Farkas. Thank you, uh Deputy Mayor. Uh to address some of the points that were raised, um uh Councillor Wyness indicated that uh in one sentence we we don't know what the cost will be, but then indicated that it's not worth say $150 million, which I believe was the estimate at the or 120. Uh we don't know that, right? So it's not possible to not know how much it will cost and also think that it's perhaps too expensive and not worth uh investment. So both of those things are are contradictory, and this is very much about uh undertaking their quest for information. And along those lines, uh it was also stated that this was a bad precedent to set. This is not the first time that Calgary City Council has sought information from Calgary Police Commission and City Administration in terms of the operations of a downtown center. Uh I myself, as a police commission member, as well as uh with many other council colleagues, uh, submitted an administrative inquiry that was very similar in form and substance, a review of options, cost estimates, and uh a weighing in on why the uh station was closed previously. So this is within best practice, and this is within the precedent that was set back in 2019 for that request for information. Next, uh, whether uh on the topic of staying within our lane, it's squarely within the police act and police amending act that a responsibility, an obligation of us as a counsel is to seek information from Calgary Police Commission. It's not to direct police commission, but it's to seek information to have the assurance of uh an effective uh police service. So this is very much about seeking that information. Uh next, this does not lock us into a course of action, it's simply an exploration of option, uh options, a review of feasibility. Uh next, on the economic case, uh in terms of police commission, fully respect the chief, fully uh respect chief uh rather chair Siddiqui as well as our commission members, two council appointees as well as uh provincial. That said, administration may have access to information that otherwise would not be available to the police commission, one of which is the level of fees that were within various reserve accounts that are dedicated specifically to public safety. So a scan of potentially tens or hundreds of millions of dollars that could be available for inner city development of a multi-service facility, including the police service, could be money that is out there that is restricted that they're not aware of. Another option could be potentially a surplus within our community revitalization levies through the our Calgary Municipal Land Corporation. That is money that would be specifically tied to that geo geography that otherwise the Commission may not be aware of. I also want to indicate that the provincial government has indicated that they are not willing to participate on photo, radar, and fine revenue. However, they've indicated strong public support for participation in a downtown police station. So there could be money not available for fine revenue, but there could be money that's available for operating andor potentially both capital from the provincial government. So uh with that, I'm closed, Deputy Mayor. Great timing. Um clerk or Ms. Clerk, can you queue up the East Cry, please? Councillor Atkinson, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Johnston, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Jameson is absent. Deputy Mayor Chabot, all the votes are in. Please display the results. That motion is carried. Sorry, 1123 with counselors Atkinson, Chabot, and Wynus voting against. Thank you. All right. Uh Madam Clerk, I believe we're on the field house committee scheduling item, is that correct? Is it on the consent agenda items poll? That's correct, Mayor Farkas. That was the first procedural item that was pulled off of the consent agenda. Item 7.1.1. Okay. Uh I believe it was Councillor Dollywell. Councillor Jollywell. Are you with us, Councillor Jollywell? Yes, uh, Mayor. I think it's a straightforward uh this an amendment uh that we are changing the date and time on the multi sport fueled house committee meeting. Uh I think clerks have it. Can we display it? It's displayed, Councillor Dollywall. Thank you so much. We are changing the date from 25th of June to 26th from 1 p.m. to 9 30 a.m. So a straightforward uh uh just uh amendment to change the date. Thank All right, that's been moved by Councillor Dollywall, seconded by uh Councillor Pandasopoulos. Any further discussion on this, colleagues? Uh I'll just verify with uh Madam Clerk the space is available and there's no conflicts. No conflicts, Mayor. All right, uh let's engage the evote on that, uh Madam Clerk. Councillor Johnson, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas. Councillor Jamison is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 14 to 0. And am I right that we're on the other consent agenda item polls? Items pulled. That's right, Mayor. The next one would be item 7.8. Okay, we are on 7.8 safer together, community safety and well being plan for Cowder. Thank you so much, counselors. Thank you, Mayor. Um, so the very first thing I would like to pose to council is whether or not the presentation is something you would like to see again. I'm gonna say it was very robust at committee, and I'm gonna go uh straight to the uh request to speak. Perfect. Unless there's an objection, colleagues. Okay, seeing none, uh over to Councillor Wines, please. Thanks. Um I I pulled this because the strategy when I compared it to other municipalities, Edmonton i is is our Kind of sister municipality under the same police act as us. And they have a more robust plan with with with clear KPIs, with better partnerships with those serving to meet the needs. And we've had this conversation before. And so I I'd like to send this back to admin, and I know like Councillor Schmidt and I are almost in alignment where he wants to keep it going forward with one tweak, and I want to send and get the plan. More effectively written. And if you were to actually read and do a side by side of the two plans with us and Edmonton, you can see why they will start actually achieving faster than what this plan will drive for your implementation strategy. The amendment is clerks has it. I just don't know what's not on screen. There we go. Thanks. table because again one of the misses with this was working with the police commission you were working with the police but commission was just presented as an afterthought we do need that governance structure in there we do need to show all of the tables that exist in trying to tackle this this is not again this is missing in the document uh so I am just hoping council will actually and I know you guys have some of this already that you will be able to actually deliver I've been working with GM Black on that piece of it um and it they will be able to deliver I did set a further timeline but if administration can pull this together sooner They can present it to us sooner. But I think it is very important for something where we're suddenly doing ad hoc police station and building decision making. We need to actually have a plan with deliverables and KPIs. And this plan is so far from that. So I hope you guys can support, but I am going to try and at least create a framework of success that this plan does not have. Okay, that uh has been moved by Councillor Wines. Is there a second here? Yeah, seconded by Councillor McLean. Uh Councillor Schmidt, I don't believe you have an amendment to the referral. It was an amendment to the main, so I'll acknowledge you on your amendment should this referral fail. And uh uh just a point of procedure, do we have to move the item before bringing the amendment? Oh, yes, we do. That's correct. Can I please have a mover and seconder for the main item? I can move the main item. Moved by Councillor Schmidt. Uh second by Councillor Clark. I'm sorry to shortcut this. You're owed an opportunity to open on the item. Sorry, Councillor Schmidt. Uh yes, thank you. Um I spent some time since The committee meeting speaking to some of the stakeholders and administration, I do have another amendment coming that would provide uh an inter a report back in July before our final strategic budget meeting that would have the opportunity for the implementation budget and and KPI in information details to be provided. I'm not but just to flag that, but as far as the community safety and well being plan as a whole goes, um This is what we need to be doing as a city and and I take Councillor YNS's points, uh, but I think administration delivered to us what what they thought would be a high level way for us to get this work started and to then work on the details together. There there was in my discussions with stakeholders and others there there was a lot of engagement that happened. They were provided the opportunity to do so and uh several meetings with invites went out and some of the responses I received is that further opportunity for that will get the same group of people out again because the ones who wanted to go went. And I think we need to get this within our strategic lineup For something that we can align the budget ask with sooner rather than later. And I think the work that Councillor Wyness will be proposing through her amendment can happen, but I would like it to happen with the overall strategy in place. So I'll be supporting moving this forward today, and um I would hope that we get eight others on board to do so because with us now having this plan to put a police station downtown. We need something in place that can inform that work in a way that highlights what we're already doing and gives us a path forward and allows police to do police work, fire to do fire work, and our partners in social services to do that work because we're not going to get better public safety by just policing our way out of this problem. And it will take a multi pronged approach, which we're already doing, and we finally now have a strategy to direct how we're doing that. So I'll have some more in close, but uh I'm hopeful that we can pass this today and continue on the path to making Calgary safer for everybody. Okay, Councillor Schmidt, uh we're in a bit of a procedural pickle. I had acknowledged uh Councillor uh Wyness to speak earlier. What I'm gonna rule here is to allow you to make the motion as with an amendment. So is it possible you could put on the screen and we'll have recognized you having moved the motion with your amendment? No. Madam Clerk? Thanks, Mayor. It's actually on the amendment, so it will be on the next one. So if we could have Councillor Wyness um make the motion as after amendment, and we'll just strike out. I'll show you on the next screen. Can't. Yeah, it'll be on Councillor Wyness as one. Okay. I think, Madam Clerk, though, the the heart of it is I believe that the two intentions may be contrary. I believe that Councillor Schmidt is is seeking an amendment to the main motion, whereas Councillor Wyness is as a referral. Both can't proceed uh simultaneously. Exactly. And the motion that we had originally put up, the one motion that was put up together had both in the same. If you wouldn't mind bringing that up, please. You'll see that what we displayed was it said that the recommendations be amended and then that the motion be referred. So we already have a conflict on this one as well that we need to correct. Okay. How do you recommend we uh proceed? Okay, based on that, uh colleagues, uh I'm going to acknowledge Councillor Schmidt to attempt his amendment. Okay, go ahead, Councillor Schmidt. Okay. Then uh should that am we'll resolve that amendment and then I'll be going back to uh Councillor Weines on the uh referral. So just to s sorry to be clear, this will be oh I see now. Okay, thank you. Uh so this this was the amendment that was circulated to council on Sunday. Uh it w essentially Has a simplified version of I think what Councillor Yes is proposing in many ways, but that we would have those implementation details, key performance measures, and budget details no later than July 2026 in place so that we can have that information when we look at the more detailed aspect of the budget. And then the second point will provide us regular up annual updates about how the performance measures are doing. And certainly I think there would be room for us to modify that if we want to see it more often, if we'd like to see more work done, as Councillor Wyness suggested, with things like a dashboard and um different types of partnerships with other stakeholders. I I really think we need to maintain the momentum and that this gives us some of those details before we make our budget decisions and then Once we're further down the path, if we want to see more details, if we want to see some re-engagement, we can do that work. But the bones of what we need to do are here, and I would uh hope for your support to go down this path. So uh I will leave it at that. All right, so this amendment has been moved by Councillor Schmidt. It's been seconded by uh Councillor Dollywall. And Madam Clerk, you wanted to weigh in? Yes, please, Mayor Farkas, just so that we're abundantly clear what council will be voting on. What is on the screen now is an amendment, but what I heard you say is that Councillor Schmidt would be moving the original with the amendment included, correct? Because you had recognized Uh I think we're at a point where that cat's or that uh cow's out of the barn, so let's let maybe we'll deal with this as an amendment rather than moving it as a different piece. Okay, thank you. All right, uh calling Point of order to to be clear in terms of this. I just want to get clear. So we went to the m we went to uh Councillor Y Ness's amendment by accident. We went back with uh Councillor Schmidt to get the the main on the table. That's correct. So I I made an error by acknowledging Councillor Wynus first because the main matter hadn't been put on the table yet. But then w instead of f going back to Councillor Yess's amendment, we've put Councillor Schmidt's amendment on the table. Yes, for for procedural fairness, Councillor Schmidt had intended to introduce the main item and immediately move to an amendment. So that's why I that's why I've acknowledged Councillor Schmidt here because of my own error and my own mistake. Yeah, so I on this point of order, I I correct me if I'm wrong through the chair to clerks, but I I would have thought the appropriate procedure would be once we had the main the main motion on the table to go back to Councillor wine ass for her amendment, and then depending on what happens there, to go back to Councillor Schmidt for his potential amendment. Yeah, and I I had heard the recommendation from Madam Clerk on proceeding first to Councillor Schmidt's uh amendment, and that's why I've done it this way. No, sorry, just to clarify, I wasn't aware that Councillor Schmidt had an amendment. Um what I thought he was doing was putting the motion on the floor. That was a surprise um for me in the meeting. Um now that I see what it is, um, and then I heard you mayor say that he would move it after amendment, that would have been allowable, but now we're back to just an amendment, so we're Okay, we're we're we're in a pickle here and I'm gonna allow council ultimately to decide whether to deal with Councillor schmidt or Councillor wyness. Uh the way I'm gonna allow council to decide is I'm gonna rule that Councillor schmidt's amendment has been placed. If there's a challenge to the chair. Chair, like Yep. Yep. So and again, this was my error and mistake. So Councillor uh wynus has uh has put forward a motion shall the ruling of the chair be upheld? And I believe Councillor Johnson, I'm sure you'll second that. he already threw his hand up, All right, Councillor Johnson has seconded that. So essentially vote vote. Y yes if you wish to deal with Councillor Schmidt's amendment first. Vote no if you wish to deal with Councillor Weinus first. which was played placed first, Yeah. and the chair erred in his ruling and he didn't communicate effectively with the clerk. Yeah, and I apologize, Councillor Weines. Uh I've I fully missed that. So again, uh Uh colleagues of my intent was to acknowledge Councillor Schmidt on the main item and give him the opportunity to address that. So on the challenge of the chair of whether to deal with Councillor Weinus's or Councillor Schmidt's first, and again on the challenge of the chair, a yes would be to allow Councillor Schmidt his chance to make an amendment, and a no would be to not allow Councillor Schmidt a chance of an amendment and instead go to a referral from Councillor We've. Over to Councillor McClain. Yeah, just uh to clerks. I guess never once this ever happened before because sometimes I think what we're looking at whether you believe in if Councillor Y Ness was first then to overrule that then do we need a maybe a supermajority. I mean, is this just a charity decision or is this something you know, is there a president for who gets their first kind of thing or is this just are we just on the fly here, just you know council's decision on this is Yeah, sorry, but it's is this is never been here before. Thank you for the question, Councillor McLean. Through the chair, I don't recall this particular circumstance before. That being said, we do maintain a queue. The queue is typically followed, but it's it's a busy meeting. It's it's been a long day, so I can see how we found ourselves here. There is no reconsideration. Um, under the procedure bylaw, the chair does make rulings and any member of council can appeal that ruling. So we are definitely following that protocol. Okay, and I'm and no one's blaming you, just to be clear. Blame me. I'm I'm I get the credit and the blame for everything, Councillor McClain. Uh over to uh or sorry, Councillor Penazophilis. Just and it's our first time too getting through this, but when I just looked at the RTS, maybe it's just for clerks. Um, you know, generally one was RTS amendment, one was RTS. And I looked at the RTS, debate the main matter, the main motion. And then during debate, there was a motion to move. So so fundamentally, the procedure bylaw, like what does it fundamentally say? If I put RTS dash amendment, I don't, like, and unfortunately it's all we have, like, or else you like what I actually thought we were gonna debate the main motion, and now an amendment came and now is the main motion approved. So just if you could um I'll respond briefly. The practice typically is RTS to move the matter. But in this case, Councillor Wynus did not move the matter. She essentially made a referral motion to send the matter back to administration, so it did not get a proper opening and close and process to allow for amendments that is traditionally allowed. Typically, every other item council will deal with is that the item will come to us, we'll move the item, we'll second the item, and then council will decide what to do with the item. Councillor Wynus's motion was to immediately send it back to administration without the opportunity to properly uh make the committee recommendations, and that's where I heard. In acknowledging Councillor Wynus for that referral immediately when the matter hadn't been moved or seconded. So that's my interpretation as chair. And perhaps Madam Clerk can correct me. No, you're you're absolutely correct, Mayor Farkas. So it fundamentally okay, so there could be a r uh an error in the okay, thank you. I just wanted to clarify that. Thank you so much. And what I will say is that if the amendment were approved or rejected, it does not preclude Councillor Weines from the opportunity to refer the new amended matter back. And so Councillor Wynus will be heard regardless. The question is whether Councillor Schmidt will be heard. So uh Councillor Johnston, please? Yeah, just uh clarification on some things here. Um I think the chair earlier this term had made a comment about bringing amendments to the floor without proper notice, and just for my sanity, would be be able to find out which one of these amendments were. Brought to the clerks before the other one. It I can confirm that Councillor Y Ness's amendment was received first. Thank you. That's all I need to ask. And just to verify though, it's not an amendment, it's a referral. Is that right? Sorry, that's correct. It was put together as an amendment to refer, which I only noticed that we needed to correct that error when it went up on the screen, but that's right. Okay, so I'm uh I'm about to call the question here. The uh The the rule the the question is shall the ruling of the chair be upheld? Uh my ruling was to allow Councillor Schmidt an opportunity to make an amendment. So a yes is to allow Councillor Schmidt the the opportunity to make this amendment. A no is to not allow him the opportunity and go to Councillor Weines. What I will say is that if Councillor Weyness's referral were to pass, Councillor Schmidt would never have an opportunity to make his amendment. Whereas if Councillor Schmidt's amendment were to succeed or to fail, Councillor Wyness will have an opportunity regardless. So I ruled in the way that I did in order to allow a more fulsome opportunity for all council members to be heard. If we go to Councillor Weines first, Councillor Schmidt will now not have an opportunity to make his case and to have a vote. Whereas Councillor Wynes, regardless of the outcome, will have an opportunity to be able to make her case. So, Councillor Kelly, please? I appreciate that clarification, Mayor. That uh that helps. The question that I wanted to ask right now, though, was just uh through the clerks. Um In the procedure bylaw, is there an order of precedence for amendments versus motions to refer? Or are they treated equally? Um they are not one moment. Let me just pull that up. So it's with an appendix D. Um a motion to amend, which is section six, is lower. So highest to lower. So the one that is higher is a motion to refer. So an amendment, so motion to refer takes precedence over a motion to amend. However, we started out with a main motion and then we move to an amendment. So there is no referral motion on the floor. So we have to just kind of undo how we got here. But correct me if I'm wrong, we got the main mo as I outlined a minute ago. We got the main motion on the floor and then we went we should have gone back to Councillor Wyness for the motion to refer. Would that take would that a motion to refer after a main is on the floor take precedence over an amendment? It would. Thank you very much. So, so actually, based on that, that's material for me, and I hadn't reviewed that uh schedule. So, Madam Clerk, are you saying that the the we we take primacy on the uh referral? So once a referral motion has been made, and if that motion is on the floor, that motion has to be dispensed with. No one can make a motion to amend. Okay, so uh I actually I don't know if we've done this, but based on that evidence, I I don't abide by my ruling. So again, I've I made the ruling. Now that the the ruling had been made, the motion is before council. What I will say is that I was quite clearly wrong based on what Councillor uh Or rather, what Madame Clerk has said here. So what I'd say is that the the ruling of that, that ruling that I'd made based on my understanding should not be upheld. And I believe that we should overrule uh that ruling. So based on the evidence and based on what Madame Clerk has said to us, don't uphold that ruling that I made then. And if I had the opportunity to make the ruling now, I wouldn't have made the ruling. Thank you very much, Mayor. I And it's important for me to eat crow if I understand that the procedure bylaw says something contrary. I I I appreciate the order that you were attempting to do it in. I think it it actually, I'll be honest, makes the most amount of sense to me. Uh but the rules are the rules and uh and in this particular case, Councillor White Nass deserves to uh go first in this particular case. Thank you. Okay, so th this motion is on the table. It's shall the ruling be upheld? Uh functionally vote yes if you want Councillor Schmidt to have a shot. Uh vote no if you want to go back to Councillor Weinus. I would urge you to vote no based on the application of the rules. And I uh Councillor, I do apologize. I try to keep our meetings speedy and try to do this fair, but based on what had come to light here, I'm very happy to to say that I erred in this. All right, back to you, Councillor Weinus. I guess you close on the the question of the ruling. Thank you. Um as a council, our job is to govern and to make sure that the strategies and plans are to the standard we expect to deliver for Oh on the ruling? Sorry, I'm ready to close the other one. So you've challenged the Challenge a chair on the ruling. I'm trying to f get through this meeting faster than we need to be. Uh but yeah the chair just acknowledged he was wrong so let's get this voted on. All right, so again, uh vote yes if you'd like to go to Councillor Schmidt first. Uh vote no if you want to go to Councillor Weines first. All right, Madame Clerk, let's engage the vote. Councillor Jameson is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion has been defeated. 1 to 13. Only Councillor Dollywell is in favor. And I apologize, colleagues, for the for the last 10 minutes. Back to you, Councillor Weines. You've introduced the item. It was seconded by Councillor McLean. It's on the table. Let's get a speaker's queue. You had the opportunity to introduce it. Anyone wish to discuss this referral? All right, Councillor Schmidt, please. On the referral. Yes, like I said, in I don't think we'll even call it my open anymore. Um, whatever that was, um Yes. in that. I I don't disagree with what Councillor Wyness is proposing in the details here, but what I would ask for Council's support on is not supporting the referral, and I will still bring my amendment should the referral not proceed as proposed here, for us to get these many of these details before July, and then we can proceed with this strategy in place as we move into budget. I think that will produce the best outcomes for Calgarians, and that we can still get those details we need with the amendment that I will bring should this not pass. So I do intend to. Type in RTS amendment should this not proceed and I would ask for your support in going down that road. Thank you. All right, Councillor Penizopoulos on the referral, please. Thanks so much. I I didn't have the privilege of participating in the very excited CDC meeting, and uh, you know, somebody asked me last last week and do you support this? My answer was I don't know. Because we need the information. We needed budget. We needed KPIs. We need to know how it fit in. Something that's came very clear through a motion that we're going to be discussing later, downtown with police we just did, free fare zone, et cetera, was community safety. And I think with the amendment that's being proposed, I was actually excited because that's exactly what we need is to go and understand. Then we can make a decision, doesn't make sense. Other priorities when we do our budget looking in July and going into September. I think it's important to get there and make that determination. Is it better to spend a dollar on a police, a fire, a sidewalk, or through a program here? And I think that's such an important. So if we bring that back into July going into a four year cycle, I think it's really important. So so I I support the information grab, but I think it's important to get that. Those KPIs, those deliverables, and that was exciting. With that, we can actually make that determination as a council. Is this the right plan? Is this the right going into a four year? Because it'll all be interconnected. This plus police plus. Uh this plus police plus uh everything else that that goes into our our safety is super important. So I won't be supporting this. I hope the amendment can come through and then we can have a good discussion come July and into budget about does this make sense? Uh is this the best use of capital, is the best use to get a safer community, which I think I know all Calgaryans and all council want as well. Thank you. All right, Councillor Kelly, please, on the referral. Thank you, worship. Um Apologies to everyone for uh at that point of order to be able to get us back on track here and and and back to uh uh Councillor Wynass's um uh motion uh referral motion here. Uh I this is really interesting because we know that there's two competing things here that are very similar, uh just going about it in slightly different ways. Uh so we kind of get to choose between the two, or I guess suppose neither, and and and uh and keep it going. Uh I really appreciate that both uh Councillor Weinass uh and Councillor Schmitz as well, I guess for that matter, too, are bringing forward the idea of uh KPIs, budget, etc. I think I brought this up at committee that uh while this is called a plan, uh it didn't it had very little in the way of plan in it. It it was a strategy. We need the budget items, we need the timelines, we need uh uh uh we need the actions. Those are the kinds of things that we would need to see to make it a plan. I was comfortable approving it as a strategy and effectively just going administration used the wrong word. Um, but I I I have to choose, I I want to choose between one of these two motions because I think that this is uh what we should be directing administration to do is coming back with those those details, the measures, the KPIs, and how it is that they're going to do it. Uh choosing between the two of them, I um, as Councillor Yaness said in her open, uh uh Councillor Schmidt's kind of keeps things moving forward, whereas uh Councillor Yines's uh throws it back to administration. I'm kind of leaning towards keeping it moving forward. So I'm gonna vote against this, despite the fact that I uh I support everything here in favor of the uh um uh the amendment that Councillor Schmidt is uh slated to bring. All right. Anybody else? Seeing none, back to Councillor Wanis. Thanks. If you guys actually want the substance of what's in this, you're not going to get it with Nates. You can't keep a plan moving forward. All of our civic partners will be funded during budget. That has happened year over year. Where council, in our role of governors, has to actually get that framework correct. And it when you sit in this chair and you see a report that is not satisfactory, you have to send it back. Think about if council had actually been doing this for the feeder main when they saw reports coming that were not satisfactory. You can't just let it keep moving forward and saying, I'll make the decision next time. Oh, maybe it will be better next time. You have to have in our role. The outline of deliverables we want the organization to report back to council. This is how you get it. Unfortunately, Nates is too general to get that. He will, and if admin can deliver on all of the key points that we have in this sooner, they can bring it back to us. So if you approve this now and admin can get it done for July, then they can bring it in July. But I think it is very important. If you want the meat and potatoes of this amendment, you need to support this one because you're not going to get it on the next one. Closed. Thank you. Um before we call the evote again, uh, this is uh Yeah, well, make sure as well that uh we address each other formally, like Councillor Schmidt, uh uh like the level of decorum that's required. Okay, before uh we go to Uh engaging the vote again. Uh the if this referral to pat will pass, there's no further amendments. It'll simply be sent back to administration and this item will end. Uh just want to be uh crystal clear on that. So uh madam clerk, let's engage the vote. Councillor Johnston, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. No. The Councillor Jameson is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion has been defeated. Six to eight, Councillor Schmidt, Kelly, Dallywell, Pandasoplos, Atkinson, Clark, Yule, and myself are opposed. And I'm gonna go back to Councillor Schmidt uh for your amendment, please. I will just leave it up since I think I already also introduced that. Okay, if let's give it a moment to put that up there, and if you could just remind us what the amendment is. Yes, so this does provide an opportunity for us to receive some of those details before we have our final strategic session for budget and allows the plan to move forward as As a plan that's in place, hopefully today, should the should it pass once this amendment is through, and then with the reporting in point number two, that allows us to have ongoing uh checks. And certainly I think once it's in place, there's would be further opportunity to increase that reporting more than annually, but for now that was what was decided as something that could come back to committee and uh council uh for regular updates. So I'll leave it at that and hope for your support. Okay, that was moved by Councillor Schmidt and seconded by Councillor Dalywall. Anyone wish to speak to this amendment? Okay, seeing none I'm very happy to support this. I think this gets uh bit of the way in terms of what Councillor Wynus was intending with her referral. Uh the reason I ultimately voted not for the referral, but I will be supporting this, is I uh it's just the urgency. We I think we need to get moving on this. Uh we know that we need to build the airplane in in mid-flight. Uh we need to Be doing a lot of things simultaneously with many different partners, and this is the belts and braces that really implements I think what the the previous council was seeking in terms of the key performance measures, uh working on implementation and better understanding uh what's going to be required to actually get this done. So happy to support this. Uh maybe back to you to close, Councillor Schmidt. I again I support what Councillor Wyness was intending, and I think that what is contained within what she proposed is are important things that we should continue to do. And as we move through this, to have those happen would only be beneficial for the ultimate outcomes of this plan. But I I hope that once this if this passes, that we can also pass the strategy today as well. Because that will help us start to work on what is happening in our city and to show Calgarians that we have a plan and that we're going to be doing something. So thank you. All right, uh that's been closed, Madam Clerk. Let's engage the e vote on the amendment. Councillor Shabot, your vote please. Thank you. Councillor Jameson is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 12 to 2 with councillors Johnston and Ward. Opposed any further debate on this item as amended. Yeah, I'll uh just briefly jump in. I'll I'll restate some of my very briefly my committee debate. This is not a perfect plan by any stretch of the imagination. I I think it does need a bit of tightening up. It needs uh more solid engagement with the the Calgary Police Commission as well as uh some of the key performance measures. But based on the work that uh the city administration has done. Uh Council's rigorous debate and support for this plan. Happy to support this at this time. And just a big shout out to the team that was involved in pulling this together. I've not seen a document as fulsome as this one in terms of just how broad it was in application. It clearly took a lot of expertise and uh uh good faith willingness to engage with so many different community partners to get us to this point. Uh giant thank you as well to the community members who came and shared their lived experiences, other thoughts to get us to this point. I think adopting this plan, uh approving this plan here today is a is a reflection of our commitment to public safety as a council. So happy to support it. Uh and with that, I think back to Councillor Schmidt to close. Uh Yes, so just to reiterate that this is where we need to be going, and I think the most important work we can do from now until July and beyond that is that we as counselors keep that line of communication with our stakeholders, with the people on the ground doing this hard work every day, and with our residents and businesses who are experiencing these things. And if if we do that, we learn more, we learn what is needed, we learn what's missing, and we can help address this problem in a meaningful way. And that meaningful way might take longer than our council term because these are complex problems, but we need to start somewhere, and this is where we can start. So uh I would very much hope that we can see this pass and move forward today. Thank you. All right, uh let's engage the evote, please. Councillor Tyres, your vote, please. No. Council Shabot, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Jameson is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 10 to 4 with counselors Johnston, Ward, Tyres, and McLean opposed. Uh we are moving on now to item 7.9 Home is here, the City of Calgary's housing strategy update. I don't think we need a presentation on this. Colleagues, who pulled this item? Councillor Weiness, I'm gonna go over to you. The the scoping options without numbers attached to it, uh a colored bar doesn't tell a story. And there may have been a verbal update at committee, but for the document, uh I'd like to see a number two added that uh the department adds funding uh and levels of service recording. I I'm so sorry. I apologize for interrupting you, Councillor Winus. We're running into the same issue that we did previously. Do you mind if I just seek a mover and seconder? I didn't I didn't anticipate that you wanted to make an amendment. So uh can I please have a mover and seconder for the item? Uh it's been moved by Councillor Clark. Seconded by Councillor Atkinson. Okay, it's on the table. I'm going to you for your amendment, Councillor Wynus. Yeah, I just think that when administration is reporting to council, uh keeping it the lights on, gaining footing, and building momentum, they at least have some kind of envelope of funding for council to make a decision on. Uh this is to be brought back by July 13th Community Development Committee. Uh and again, I think this council needs to be holding admins reports to account. And when I get a colored bar that tells us as well as citizens nothing, uh it's important that we send the work back for better. So that's my opening All right, that's moved by Councillor Wynus. Uh seconded by Councillor Kelly. I'm gonna go through the queue, uh, Councillor Schmidt, to speak to the amendment. Oh sorry, I that was for the main motion. But I uh I'm happy to speak to the amendment. Support this more information the better, and it will allow us to uh again, like similar to what we just discussed, it will allow us to have some details that we can place within the scope of the whole budget. So I think this is a positive. Alrighty, uh on the amendment, Councillor Kelly. Uh yeah, very happy to second this. Uh uh I think administration heard me at committee uh talk about the color chart quite a bit. Uh so I'm very happy that Councillor Y S is bringing this forward here today. Uh as we just talked about in the uh in the previous motion, uh we need we need some more detail. Uh simply a color bar chart in this particular case was not enough. So hopeful that this will uh this will get us a little bit more detail than uh yellow, blue, or green. All right, to you to close on the amendment, uh Councillor Weiness. Closed. All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote on the amendment. Councillor Jameson is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. Um no, I am here. Yes. Oh, Uh point of order. I I was here at 5 36 p.m. oh, uh let's recast the vote then. Okay, Madam Clerk. Um Councillor Jameson is with us. Uh did you want to speak, Madam Clerk? No, no, no. Noted. It's just from prior. Thanks. Yep. Apologize, colleagues. Uh we have to recast the the e-vote on this amendment. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please. No. Okay, please uh display the results. Oh. Madam Clerk? Sorry, Mayor, that was the wrong vote that was that was cast. Um My apologies for that. We need to recast it on the amendment. Okay, we're gonna recast the vote. Just on the amendment. On the amendment, Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And on the amendment, that motion is carried 15 to 0. We're back now on the main as amended. Anyone else wish to speak? Okay. Uh councillor Tyrers uh on division? Yeah, can we divide um uh yeah was it one and two because the scoping option uh about gaining footing versus the actual strategy itself? I can call Two separate we can call them separately. thank you. Anyone else on this? Seeing none, I'll go back to you, uh Councillor Schmidt, to close, please. Oh, Councillor, is Councillor Clark in the queue? No, I moved it. Oh, sorry, Councillor Clark. That's okay. And so I'll close. And with that, I'm closed. Excellent. I apologize, colleagues. Uh let's engage the e vote on uh bullet one, which is the uh the main committee recommendation. The streamlining of actions, detailed implementation plan. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 9 to 6 with counselors Ward, Johnston, Jameson, Chabot, Wyness, and McLean. Opposed. And we'll call the question now on uh bullet two and let's engage the e-book. And that's the uh amendment that had been made previously. That's to identify specific funding and service levels relating to scope options. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 13 to 2 with counselors Jameson and tires opposed. All right. Uh that resolves that item. We'll move now to, I believe, 7 Eleven. Free fare zone review. All right, so there's very robust debate. I'm gonna seek a mover and seconder for the main item. Councillor Shabot is moving it. Yeah, as the chair of a committee, I think it's only fair that I move the recommendations uh to um to eliminate the uh free fare zone. Um we had a very robust discussion. I don't can't recall exactly how how it turned out as far as the vote, but uh I don't think it was unanimous. Um there was a lot of uh discussions following the in camera session that may have brought some additional clarity for some members of council. Um obviously there's a lot of Advantages that are being proposed. Public safety is one, increased revenue for another. Hopefully a reduction in disorderly behavior on downtown trains and platforms. And of course, the one one which is a main concern for my residents is the main reason they're not getting on the train is because of the perceived safety. And that is one of the things that's planned on being addressed through this uh Elimination of the free fare zone. So hopefully we can reestablish some safety and sense of safety on the system to maybe encourage some of my riders and my ward to actually get back on the train and maybe even add more than five million dollars to the revenue that can then be reinvested into increasing safety even beyond that. Um I do believe there may be uh an interest in going in camera because there's an in-camera portion that that was discussed previously. I'm not sure if all members of council were privy to uh what was discussed in camera and If the opportunity does arise, I'd be happy to make that motion. So I'll leave it at that for now. Yeah, it's that's been moved by Deputy Mayor Chabot. Uh seconded by Councillor McClane. I'm just gonna acknowledge you uh based on what you just told us. Deputy Mayor Shabot, would you like to make the motion to move into closed session? Yeah, happy to make that motion. Um gotta say I think it'd be uh advantageous to to hear from uh our enforcement folks on on uh thoughts around uh implementation. So happy to move to go in camera. Okay, that's uh uh we'll give that a moment just to get ready from the clerk side. Is there a seconder for that motion to move into closed session? Is there a seconder? Okay, that's been seconded by uh councillor McLean. Uh I will briefly uh enter this. I was not able to attend most of the committee meeting, but I did attend the uh the closed portion. I very strongly believe that what we heard should be shared publicly. I I I would like to hear the same presentation publicly, and I think it would be of assistance to the public to hear that. I I didn't hear a good reason necessarily that it should be confidential what we heard. So for those reasons, uh I will be voting no to moving into uh closed session. Any uh further debate? Maybe over to you, Deputy Mayor, to close on the motion to go into closed session. Yeah, no, I think that's a valid statement um in so far as whether or not um the discussions in camera should be made. public or not, but I think that's a discussion we can only have in camera to determine whether or not we can make we can go public with those debates. So I would encourage everyone to support going in camera so we can then have a debate as to whether or not this can all be made public. Closed. And yep, sounds good. So we will uh engage the vote on that. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please uh display the results. And on that, the uh motion is carried 13 to 2 with Councillor Dallywell and myself opposed. We'll now move to the boardroom. Uh for the folks watching, it's unlikely to have a decision prior to us uh on our dinner break. Welcome back to Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the roll. Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor McLean, Councillor Pantazopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Shabot, Councillor Clark, Councillor Dollywall. Here. Councillor Jamison. Councillor Johnston. Here. Councillor Kelly. Present. And Mayor Farkas. I am here. Thank you. May I please have a motion to rise and report? Maybe Councillor Chabot has moved that. Seconded by Councillor Yule. All in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that motion is carried. Leave we need a motion to keep confidential the discussions. Just a moment while we're preparing that. Okay, so the motion is up on the screen. It's to keep the closed meetings discussions confidential pursuant to section 23 disclosure harmful to law enforcement. Uh any colleagues like to move that? Move by Councillor Chabot, seconded by Councillor Panasopoulos. I'll briefly debate. I was not persuaded that what we heard in closed session could not be shared publicly, and I feel like it's very critical information that uh should be shared. Uh all right, uh any further discussion on that? Okay, Councillor Shabot's closed. Uh let's call the uh engage the U vote, please, on this. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. No. Thank you. Councillor Tyres, your vote, please. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. All right. Uh that motion has been defeated. Uh 4 to 11. Only Councillors Dallywell, Jameson, Tyres, and Chabot were in favor. Uh colleagues, uh despite the fact that uh the confidentiality was not instated for the discussion, I'd ask that you would use our discretion in terms of uh not otherwise jeopardizing uh law enforcement. Um activities. So again, it's not confidential what we discussed there, but again, I think some of the specifics that we heard, we don't need to go into detail that might otherwise betray the ability for our law enforcement partners to be able to do their work. So uh going through the speaking queue, I believe that the Councillor Shabot had placed the motion. It was seconded. We're going through the speaker's queue. Uh he immediately brought us into the closed session. So now I'm gonna go into uh to Councillor Clark, I believe. You're up. Thank you, Chair. It sounds like there might be some amendments. I had a RTS amendment. Oh, if you were up, Councillor Ewell, I apologize. Yeah. So I uh tried this uh amendment uh at committee. Uh I'm just gonna try it again now. Um so what we heard at committee was uh panel after panel after panel of people who uh didn't I guess do I need a second or Second. it's not on the screen yet, so Make your pitch to us and then I think it's a good question. we'll seek a seconder. Yeah. Okay, um so yeah, we had uh we had panel after panel who uh did not want us to get rid of the free fare zone. Um what we had before us was uh a recommendation from transit, uh, and I think uh like an operational view uh is what we got in that report. And when when Pantasopoulos and I, uh Councillor Pantasopoulos and I uh started on this journey, um I it was about getting data, and I think um what we got. And we also wanted recommendations, and we got one recommendation to get rid of the free fare zone. And I was hoping for a little bit more fulsome options. We've had a lot of different reports that give us levels of service. I think we should have had uh a few different options to be choosing from. So what I'm I'm proposing in this amendment is uh to direct um uh this isn't it, no. Um so I'm uh defer I would like to defer the decision of the free fare zone uh to be included in the updated fare strategy, which is planned to come back to infrastructure and planning committee by the end of Q1 2027. Direct administration to explore the feasible feasibility of transferring the free fare zone program from Calgary Transit to downtown strategy team for ongoing operations and budgeting with a focus on improving downtown vibrancy and public safety. I think we we heard from many people that um didn't get to engage, uh specifically the arts uh a lot of arts groups did not get uh fulson engagement. So I would like a little bit more engagement uh on this uh and would like uh the support of council on this. Um I just think we With the overwhelming majority of respondents, both in my ward and that came to committee, we need to rethink this. And I think we need uh more options on the table to make this like there's there's different things that we can be doing. I know there's uh we have um different innovations we could be looking at, and this is just a yes or no question, and I think we need more options on the table. And I've running out of time here, so hope you can support. Thank you. All right. Is there a seconder, please? Okay. So that's been seconded by Councillor Clark. Just for this amendment, uh, Councillor Clark, did you want to weigh in? Pardon me. No. So I'm glad to wait or re in put myself back in later. Okay. Uh Councillor Syers, I believe you had a different amendment, right? Or did you want to weigh in on this one? No, it's a different amendment. Thank you. Uh Councillor McLean, on this amendment? Yeah, I wanna debate this amendment and uh Suggest that we vote no. It seems like almost everything that comes before us now, we have an amendment to kick it down the road or to amend it or to do we just can't keep doing this every single time. Uh and to the me the why this is important, because there's some urgency here. Administration has recommended this. It's not about the money, folks. It's about the safety. We all know about the safety. I took the time over dinner just to Google, you know, uh assaults, deaths, sexual assaults on these on the train, downtown platforms. It's a real, real concern. It happens all the time. It happens all the time. I've talked to enough peace officers. I've seen pictures. I've seen videos. We've seen stabbings. I don't want to get to graphic. But if this helps enforcement prevent one murder, one sexual assault, one crime, and we're not just talking drugs. We're worried about people's rights. They're not worried about ours. You know, these the people that are sometimes, they're not in their right mind a lot of times, maybe whether it's drugs, alcohol, or mental. Uh mental I I just don't support it, but let's go right to the amendment, to the main motion. I say we vote and we uh take uh vote for administration's recommendations that we make our city safer. And this again, if it prevents one death by not but doing this now instead of pushing this down the road and keep kicking the can, then I'm not saying it's on anybody's heads, I'm not threatening anybody, but people are asking for safety. We do not govern by internet polls, we do govern by email. Campaigns. This is something that I know people want safety. I want safety. Downtown and the trains are not safe. Don't support this. Thank you, Councillor McLean. Madam Clark, I'm gonna go to you just on process. I believe net number four shouldn't be up there, right? That's right, Mayor Farkas. We don't want council to um vote twice on the same attachment. The motion coming out of close included both that the closed meeting discussions and attachment four remain confidential. That motion was defeated. Therefore, attachment four has already been um released with council's previous decision. Um councillor Ewell, if you would Yeah, we can strike that. And just uh to be explicit, uh administration has no objection to the release of that attachment. correct Deputy City Clerk Fraser went up and spoke with administration once the motion was defeated and we've heard from them that there is no concerns. Okay, thank you. Uh over to Councillor Penisopoulos, please, on the amendment. Thank you so much. I agree wholeheartedly with Councillor McLean that for transit alone, the best option is removal of the free fare zone. But through the debate and the discussion, even in our Point. Social disorder is likely to move to areas just outside of stations, meaning overall downtown safety continues to require an integrated approach. And I think when we went through that, that's what's missing right now is that integrated approach. And what Councillor Yule is providing is not kicking the can down. It's going in and taking that unilateral approach. With other parties, talking to business owners, talking to the impacted residents, talking to everybody to make sure we have a plan. I'm comforted that we get to come back with our full fair review. So we get down to the economics. I'm comforted that we have a safety review that we can go and engage. We can show that there's 10 million Calgarians that are not using transit. The majority of risk risk, excuse me, not using the C train because they do not feel safe on public transit. Those are our numbers. We can actually address that. But we need the integrated approach. And I agree that was what's missing. When I came out, it absolutely is safety. We all know that. We want it safer, but we have to have that integrated approach. For that reason, I think this makes sense. We still get a chance to go look at it. We all understand why we need to have a fair across the whole network from a safety perspective, from an economic perspective, et cetera. But what's lacking is the integrated. If we get rid of it, we heard that from everybody. Look at the email. It's not just the emails, look at the business owners. When you talk to say you didn't consult with us, the integrated approach. Can we actually have a better strategy? And I think I like that. That's where it's not just another report to report. I think what what Councillor Yule has is consistent. I remember, Councillor Ewell, when you said this is where you and I sort of go apart. And I think we're coming back together again, realizing, hey, this is actually the right approach. This is something where we come back in. We got the data, it was 8-7 to kill it with no data. And now we're getting more data. Let's make sure we don't make that same mistake twice. We tried it at budget, we came back, we've got the data, we're gonna talk to our partners, and the integrated approach, that's what administration we have to do. We have to make downtown safer. We just approved a scoping exercise for a downtown police station. Fantastic. I just saw a press release come from the city of Calgary, the safety initiative. That's going out there. Messaging to Calgarians think we're gonna make safe downtown safety, across network safety is gonna happen. So with that, let's support this, let's go. We have a chance to go look at this again. We public safety is gonna be number one downtown vibrancy, everything we want. It's our biggest tax base, it's where Calgarians want to live, work, and play. So I think this is a well uh Scoped and hopefully we can pass it and uh get down to the business of making transit and downtown Calgary safer. Thank you. Councillor Wynis, please, on the amendment. Thanks. Yeah, I I don't support this. Um The last council went through this process with admin where they're trying to streamline the departments to keep everything together. Number two is a compl uh a direction we don't want to go. You don't want to take a transit department and then start piecing them out into the downtown strategy team. That that's not smart governance at all. Um and it will lead to a breakdown of service level because now you have someone who's been focusing on uh downtown office conversions and and other pieces of the puzzle and saying, hey, by the way, do transit. Okay, so then the for a writer's experience, you're gonna hop on at Crowfoot, and then now I'm in the downtown with a different. Understanding of what my ridership experience should be like. That is I I can't support this because we're just we're just throwing everything together and not thinking about transit's primary goal for Calgarians is to move Calgarians effectively and safely around a large footprint city. Don't move them into the downtown strategy, and we're still like again. This this isn't good. I'm not gonna sit here and debate it all night because we're still on consent agenda. But this is no, no, no, thank you. Councillor Kelly, please. Thank you, Worship. To Councillor Wyness's point there, I believe that point number two here is about exploring the feasibility of transferring it rather than actually transferring it. I think we know where I stand in terms of this overall downtown free fare zone thing. I will admit, number one, like I voted in favor of bringing the report forward, and I thank administration for bringing the report forward. Number one is the right place to do this. I I'm not a fan of this g killing a 45 year old thing. Uneffectively a whim. It should be done as part of a larger strategy, a larger plan. This is where we can talk about zones or tap on, tap off, how many stops can you go? Like that to me is a larger plan because right now we have two zones, free and full price. I appreciate uh Council Yule bringing this forward here to uh uh to uh to include it as part of that um uh that larger updated fare strategy that we've been hearing that transit is bringing forward. I think that's the appropriate place for us to consider the results of this uh of this work in it. So I'm happy to support this because I think it makes it better. Councillor Johnston, please. Sorry, I have a question for admin. Um are we able to ask the police officers who are in camera with us? Am I able to ask They're here to support administration's presentation, so absolutely. I can't remember their names, I apologize. Ask your question. Okay. Um was this a whim, the decision to um Provide us with this report based on safety? Was this a whim? No, Councillor. Did you guys do any due diligence before bringing this to us? Absolutely. Would you be able to share with us some of the due diligence that you brought with us to um assert that removing the free fare zone would help with enforcement? So, sir, that removing the free fare zone to help with enforcement just gives us another tool in our tool belt. So it allows us the ability to engage with individuals. It's not the only tool in our tool belt. We have a number of other tools in our tool belt that we use. It's just not something that we're able to do within the free fare zone, and this helps us to ensure that we can ask people and we can be lawfully placed to do so. And then where it provides us with an efficiency piece as well. Right. So this is not a silver bullet. It's not gonna end specific or single attacks or anything, but it does help as a tool and a tool belt, right? It it could be the right tool for the right job. Um So what this motion is asking is what else could you bring to us with um better data? What what data could you bring to us that would help us make this decision? Or is the data that you have brought to us all we really can get from what you guys brought to us? Well I can speak to within the downtown. Thirty-seven percent of our incidents that are violent occur within the downtown area as opposed to any other area within the city. And this will have help us with the ability, like I said, um to be lawfully placed and engaged with individuals. Right. I don't think I need to hear any more and I hope council really doesn't have to hear any more than that. So um I again this does feel like kicking the can down the road. Um the data's there. I don't know what else they're gonna give us for this. Um it's a tough decision for everybody, but if it helps with safety, then we have to do it. So thank you. Okay, Councillor Shabot, please. That's according to design. Just kidding. No. There we go. No it's working. Thank you. Please go ahead, Deputy Mayor. Yeah so same a question for admin. Um what does other stations like Chinook or or State Franklin, which I know has been a bad one what do the numbers look like from those compared to the downtown? Thank you, Councillor. Our um one of our highest stations is Marlborough for social disorder. But as I stated to Councillor Johnson before, in terms of incidents where we have assaults and sexual assaults and high priority calls, 37% of them occur downtown. And do you think that maybe some of the social disorder that's happening in some of the other station stems from the downtown? It could. Yeah. Anyway, so I think I've heard enough other than this is just another tool that you think will be beneficial It is another tool that we could put in our tool belt that will help us to be lawfully placed and engage with people. and improve safety on the system I can't tie it to safety in terms of I can't say because I don't have a baseline, but I think it will assist us in being able to engage with people. and reducing social disorder activity in the downtown core. It will give us the ability to deal with it. Okay, thanks. Um so um I'm going to debate against this recommendation and I'm going to ask you to call two separately specifically because that one is absolutely a non-starter. If you ask any of the businesses downtown and ask them if they want to have more engagement, they want to be more involved in providing safety and security. You know what they're going to say? No, we have to actually pay for security to protect our own businesses downtown. We don't want to. And so the idea that somehow they want to be more involved, no, they want us to take charge. They want us to eliminate the social disorder. This is what the the f elimination of the free fare zone is is intending on helping to address. Um listen, if you want to kill this, this idea, then don't muck around and do these amendments and pretend like somehow you're you're you're trying to make it better. Just kill it. Don't don't muck around with it. So please don't vote against this and please call two separately in particular, because that one is the worst about all of this. Even one I could live with, but two, please. All right. Anybody else on the amendment? Okay. I will go to Councillor Yule to Close, please. Yeah, I'll just touch on some points, uh, Councillor McLean, urgency um to get rid of this. I mean, this this uh free fare zone's been around since 1982. Um I think we can. Do more due diligence is all I'm saying is we we've we've got we've got we've got time to do that. Um Councillor wynis and and um just uh talking about number two and the um the looking at the feasible feasibility of of having the downtown strategy look at it. I think when we were at committee, it was countless people that that talked about the free fare zone not being a part of of transit operations. Uh and so I want to look at that a little bit closer, and I would like to make sure that we are taking that engagement. Um, because that there's some innovations we could be looking at outside of, yes, I I'm not a huge fan of the uh the free fare zone, but because it's like the downtown core has grown so so much, like we should be looking at at much larger innovations, kind of like how we've done with um with uh partners like Byrd, where we have uh Byrd giving uh scooters 10 minutes free to our transit um station. So if we could be having the the downtown strategy looking at this a little bit closer, a downtown strategy for mobility around our downtown core, that is what I'm getting for getting at with number two. Uh and so and with Council Chabot, the safety focus, I do think the report was very focused on on safety and and and not enough on the on the full robust robust system of the downtown free fare zone and and how we should be uh innovating uh in the future. So I I hope you can support this. Uh, I think I don't see this as kicking the can down the road. I I see this as getting more information ahead of making a big decision uh about removing the free fare zone. So please support this. Thank you. All right. Uh if if I can ask you actually, uh, Deputy Mirchabot, the intent is to call one and two as a group and then three uh separately? Or did you want one, two, and three called uh separately? Okay, we're gonna call them all separately, uh colleagues. So get this isn't real yet, but we're we have a suite of amendments here to actually, Madam Clerk, I'll just ask if Sir, if some of these uh amendments are to fail, it just goes in blank, right? That's right. So we will prepare them to be voted on individually. So if recommendation one were to fail, that won't get inserted into the main motion. So this amendment uh firstly it starts by just deleting what was there in entirety, and we're now debating what to add to a blank That's right. sheet of paper, essentially. So uh we'll be calling each of these uh separately. So uh we'll give the clerks just a moment to uh prepare on that. And it's up on the screen there. So uh firstly uh on bullet one, which is to add A defer the decision on the free fare zone to be included in the updated fare strategy plan to come back Q1 2027. Let's engage the evote. Councillor Ewell, your vote please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Jameson, your vote, please. No. Thank you. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. No. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried eight to seven with counselors Johnston, Ward, Clark, Jamison, Chabot, Wyness, and McLean opposed. And now let's go to bullet two. And this is to direct administration explore the feasibility of transferring the free fare zone program from Cagger Transit to the downtown strategy team. Uh let's engage the e-vote, please. Councillor Johnston, your vote, please. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Uh yes. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried eight to seven with counselors ward, Johnston, Jameson, Tyre, Shabot, Wyness, and McLean opposed. And now we will go to the third and final bullet on the engagement. And this is to direct administration undertake further engagement with stakeholders in the downtown, including businesses, organizations, and arts organizations. All right, madam clerk, let's engage the vote. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Mayor, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 9 to 6 with counselors Ward, Johnston, Jameson, Chabot, Wyness, and McLean opposed. All right. So we have a substantially amended and changed main motion now that is on the floor. So council, this is what is uh before us and open to further discussion or debate. Uh I want to go back to the queue on the main. Uh Council Clark, did you want to weigh in on this? Yes, please. Thank you very much. Um, I'd like to speak with administration. Am I able to ask questions still? Yeah, okay, wonderful. So um Th under the premise of safety, I mean we're looking to like deliver some results and I and I I'm ex I'm glad to explore the it the notion but as like I piece together the story of of the pro the approach of City of Calgary towards this service, I've like, you know, um Uh if GM Thompson, if we could speak a little bit about Green Line and its strategy to deliver like the transit stations of Green Line. And um I've I'm kind of alluding to a conversation we've already had, but I hope that we could bring this into the public sphere because I came to you, we had a discussion about whether or not we're moving to a closed system. Are we like fundamentally if we're to deliver a safer system? I mean, closed is the way to go. And it's been a long standing conversation. Can you speak a little bit about what we can expect out of the green line stations? Yeah, so conversation we had and we publicly shared is the Green Line is designed as an open system with low four vehicles, really integrated into the sidewalks as we think about the original concepts for those stations. They were that you could easily integrate them into the community and that it would be more open and porous from a station design perspective. Yeah, perfect. So With that in mind, I find it very difficult to understand how we're going to deliver a safer system by closing a segment of it. Or, and I wonder if perhaps transit, if I could invite some individuals, perhaps from the transit officers, uh, CPS, whomever you think would be of value, to discuss how we how do we move forward? Because I think fundamentally the question in front of us is how do we deliver a safer system that is open? Uh, because we're investing five billion additional dollars to expand an open system while simultaneously accepting a report that we should to close a portion of it. Pardon me? Okay. Uh Councillor or Deputy Mayor Chabot, I'll ask you to please uh So so just as a point of clarification, making the free fare zone a paid zone doesn't close it. It only creates the um fare for that zone. And Perhaps not closing it with a pay gate, but it closes it to the general public. It closes it to those who have paid and those who have not, right? Versus. so the green line will also be closed in that fashion. It won't be free, right? It'll be equally closed. Yeah. But we're not delivering. So I just wonder how we're meant to achieve a safer system by doing so when the portions of our system you just said that Franklin, Marlborough, and uh and Chinook are all our closed, closed open systems are all sort of worst examples of the most unsafe. So I'm just trying to piece this together, like really to understand the argument in front of us. Yeah, through the through Mayor Farkas, uh Councillor Clark, we're we're we know that our transit peace officers and our our transit public safety team have already impl are in the process of finalizing the implementation of the prior transit public safety strategy, and I know that through the budget process they're gonna be asking for more investment in public safety. So I'll let my colleagues talk about a little bit more about what we're gonna be seeing in the budget. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. I think this is a visibility in an officer presence piece. Right now we have over 6,000 bus stops and 46 C train platforms, and we only have 25 to 30 officers on the system. So the ask will be to increase officers so that they can deal with social disorder, ferry evasion, operator safety, community engagement, community outreach, so that they can touch the Green Line, an additional office down in the south, as well as the airport extender. Thank you for that. And so I'll just acknowledge that it during budget adjustments, myself and John Pantozopoulos uh were able to bring forward a notice, uh, an amendment to uh secure nine million additional dollars towards transit safety. So can you speak to the impl like the outcomes that we've seen? What's that? Nothing? Okay. Colleagues, I I'm just gonna ask uh please allow us all the ability to speak without interruption. I know we're a bit late uh in the evening here, but You need a snack? let let's let's tight them up and stay focused. Sorry, that's not directed to you, Councillor Clark. Uh let's maybe get an answer to that question. Thank you. Sorry, Councillor, are you asking about the results or are you asking what we're on with it? Because I I would say like fundamentally all of us on council want to see this safer system achieved. I think that's something we all have in common. It's the question of how to deliver. And so myself, John Pantozopoulos, number of uh a majority of council have have agreed to uh increase your budget by nine million dollars. Can you speak to the uh benefit or value that that's added and how that might uh lend itself to what we're trying to achieve here today? Because you've just said that with more money and more officers, we can deliver a better outcome. Yes, thank you, Councillor. So we don't have the results that I can speak to quite yet, but we will be coming back to council in Q3 of this year with the results. But I can tell you that we have 10 stations that we've identified where we have static officer presence on there from four o'clock until eight o'clock. And so we have that presence that's out there, and then we are under trying to understand the difference between the presence of those officers on those stations with six stations that we don't have officers that are static on there. So I'll be able to report back on that at a later date. Thank you so much for your time. I'll just say I suppose um am I able to bl like sort of bleed into debate a bit? Or do I go for it? This is your chance. I think the um thank you so much for your time. Thank you. I think that um Uh essentially, we've sort of led this conversation on the wrong foot. I think that there's more to this conversation, and as uh Councillor Ewell has highlighted, we've sort of landed in this yes or no conversation about something that has land like become a very fundamental piece of our transit system. Uh it's sort of baked into a culture, and so I'm disappointed that we are not uh that we have deferred it. That wouldn't have been my first choice. I would have liked to see us uh you know vote to keep it or vote vote to remove it. Um but that's not where we are, and so I think uh I'm interested to see truly how we come to a place where we can, you know, as we discuss things like tap on, tap off, and and um and and delivering some of the outcomes that again, I think we all have in common about what we'd like to see a more efficient, uh better use, better respected, and safer system overall. So um I think that's about it for me. Thank you. All right. Uh Councillor Tyres, I believe you have an amendment. Yes, I guess um my amendment would be um now that this is the main motion, would uh be number four. you. Okay. Um so During this whole time that we've been discussing this and asking for feedback from our residents and hearing from Calgarians, they want to see the free free fare zone remain in place. And at committee this month, members heard from multiple business organizations who wanted to see the zone maintained. And I appreciate their advocacy and encourage sponsors to come to the table and help maintain the zone, which helps our downtown economy. A sponsor of the free fare zone could offset some of the cost of the zone. And with this amendment, I'm seeking feedback also from administration just to put on the record on the status of our sponsor search currently. Because as far as I know, we have paused a search for a new sponsor after our previous one backed out. So I guess. There is the reason why we have the amendment here and just clarification from administration to see what the status is of looking for a new sponsor. Through the chair, Councillor Tyres. So when we um we we notified everyone that the sponsorship with TD was canceled in late November, um there was uh There was some conversation at budget about how they had we wanted to remove the free fare zone and then there was a NOM quickly after that in January. So because of that quick process, we did pause any further seeking of sponsorship opportunities for the free fare zone. We could certainly open up an expression of interest like we do through our vendor to see if there's anyone out there that is interested in sponsoring the zone. Yep. Okay, so to confirm, you do need direction from council to start the process again of looking for a sponsor. So we do not need direction from council to do that. Would we want us we'd have to decide if we'd want a sponsor in light of the fact that we may in Q1 decide we no longer want the f want to continue with the free fare zone. So I think it's kind of an awkward time. So No, I understand that with this amendment, it's going to do it at the same time. So search for a sponsor as well as come back with feedback. We're going to give time for the business community to come forward. That's the whole point of this. Okay, so what you're just to paraphrase, you would like us to look for a sponsor to inform whether or not the free fare zone could remain free because of that sponsorship. Well I just want you to do both at the same time. Is that all possible? We could certainly find out if anyone is interested while we're doing the review of the fare strategy. Yes. Okay. So Okay. I so I think we have clarification about what the amendment is and uh there it is. So Great. Uh is there a second or for the amendment? Second by Councillor Yule. Uh on the amendment, Councillor Johnson. Yes, uh sorry, um Director Fleming. Uh usually with uh sponsorships and naming rights to I mean a lot of different complexes in that, there's usually um sentiment that people are lining up to sponsor it. Uh during the last sponsorship, was there sentiment that people were lining up to sponsor the free fare zone? Or an appetite that you guys know of? I'm not sure what the commercial um the commercial risk in disclosing that would be. Okay, so I guess when T D it would have went to procurement, right? So how it typically works is we have a a sponsorship contract and they will solicit interested parties to look at different things to name. That's how we do it in transit. I don't believe that there was a lineup, but I don't I and I don't think it happened right away that that that sponsorship. I think it was a period of time before we were able to find out find somebody interested in that particular package of sponsorship. I mean, am I allowed to ask for your opinion on things? Probably not. But I guess just if you know there's an appetite for this or for even single sponsorships of a single station or or micro sponsorships or something, or if if you guys are aware of uh any other path forward to ensure that this can be privately funded. Yeah, so we've been looking at other opportunities for sponsorship throughout the system, like station naming, and we haven't received a lot of interest in those station names. So as of right now, I I don't I'm not sure that we have. We'd have to ask again about the free fare zone in particular. Maybe I just I just chime in on number four. We could likely come back to council with an indication of interest. Usually sponsorship agreements do take quite a bit of time to craft up, uh, but we could through the summer period reach out uh through a contractor to interested parties to see what that appetite is for potential sponsorship and bring back that as part of that report. And our best gauge would be to hit the market. It's always changing uh depending on where businesses are at, and certainly with uh the help of council tires to to focus maybe on some of our partners in the downtown. Okay. And just to add to that, we wouldn't make a decision without council council approval anyway. So it's your opportunity to decide if it's worth it or what the and and to help us assess with you what the demand is. We could let you know what what we've seen. And what would be the risk if let's say a a sponsorship signed a five-year deal or something or three-year deal and come whenever, sorry, the last report, uh whenever this is coming back to us and we decide to kill the free fare zone, what happens to that sponsorship? Would we have to pay it back or we have to bake that in the contract? My suggestion would be that we work on the deal and not sign it until we make a decision on the free fare zone in Q1 Okay. and do them at in tandem if the timing works out. That's fair. Um okay. Uh the other thing I want to add is uh We approved two uh strategies today with uh almost no KPIs or real understanding the cost to it and here we are not approving this without knowing the KPIs. So I just there's just some inconsistencies in how we're voting today. Um and I want to apologize to our police officers who um it's not easy to come and ask counsel for help and they're just asking for a single tool in their pouch and um they needed a quarter inch screwdriver. We gave them a 516ths, and you know the right tool for the right job. And again, I apologize. We're sending you out with uh the improper tools. So um again, I apologize. Uh I'm hoping whatever comes back will be better than what it is now. That's the hope. Um but for now we're gonna have to do the best with what we have. So thank you. Okay, can uh Deputy Mary Chabot, please? Ms. Fleming, in light of the fact that we're talking about a five million dollar potential uh revenue, if we're looking for a sponsor, um do we have any idea on what uh free fare zone sponsor's monetary contribution was? Or is that confidential? Market confidential? That was a confidential item. I'm happy to disclose it in camera if we wanted to. No, I'm just uh curious if if we're gonna go out to market, would that at least maybe be a target that we would be looking for from a sponsor? If the purpose of the sponsorship is to defray the cost of the lost revenue from the free fare zone, then that would be a target. We would never want to limit ourselves with a target. We would want to make sure we work with a partner that saw the value that we could capture and have them a sponsor for that value. So we would try to maximize the benefit to the citizen, plus recognize the value that is providing to that naming sponsor. So we we know the valuation with estimates, but we would keep it open ended. So you're saying looking for more than five million? I I would look whatever a sponsor would see value in, and we'd be happy to uh strike a deal on that. Okay, thanks. I'll still be voting against it, but uh there's no way we're gonna get a sponsor who's gonna give us five million dollars downtown free fare zone, let alone more. Dare to dream. Councillor Atkinson, please. I appreciate Councillor Tyres bringing this forward. I can't be voting for this today. Um I've been Running through problems with sponsorship with Cowboys Park and the run-ins with that and sort of seeing how administration has been been going through it with that. And I also actually think that the TD sponsorship is a large part of the reason why we've just spent the past couple hours debating the Fair Free Zone today. It put at jeopardy that original sponsorship put at jeopardy something that has been a part of this city, has been a treasured asset of this city for many, many years. And I so I think we need to really think long and hard about how sponsorship not only has material impacts on the services that we deliver, like in the in the case of Cowboys Park, but even in the case where it's just naming rights and money coming in, I think that then there's always this question about what happens when the sponsorship ends or when the sponsor pulls out and the questions that are left looming because of that. The Fair Free Zone has been something we have supported as a city council for many, many years. It has been a part of our operations of the city, and uh I think that the original sponsorship is a large part of why it is at jeopardy today. So while I can totally respect the the initiative, uh Councillor Tyres uh trying to sort of like uh weave this through, I I won't be supporting it just because of uh my own recent experiences within the ward uh with uh sponsorship and city services. Anyone else on Councillor Tyres amendment? Yeah. Councillor Yule, please. Yeah, I'm happy to support this. I mean the research that I did on all this back when this was the free bus downtown experiment in the 1970s, the intention was to have businesses get involved. And I think this is part of getting that aspect back into the original idea of what the free fare zone was supposed to be. So thank you. Yeah, I will add myself in as well. I'm uh I'm of two minds of this. Uh the first one is I view transit much more akin to an essential service and essential infrastructure than, say, recreation or uh say golf courses as an example. I see it much more along the gradient, closer to Water and electricity, it's an essential service for the Calgaryans who really rely upon it. So it's for that reason that, for example, if the question about whether we should have a free fare zone is up to whether we have a sponsor or not, I think that that's the wrong question to ask. Um, we know that the free fare zone for for many reasons that we've discussed uh previously that was brought to us in the uh committee meeting around safety, around vibrancy, around economic development. We know that there's a strong business case to be supporting this. Uh uh it as a public good, uh agnostic of having a sponsor. There's a reason that we don't seek a sponsor in order to have a fire department or a police department. These are things that collectively we've decided are a public good and essential infrastructure to our uh t for us to invest. That said, I want to applaud uh Councillor Tyres' leadership in bringing this forward. There was a clear interest from the members of the public who participated, especially from the business community. Many of them stepped up to the plate and talked about how critical it was for us to maintain this. Um I'm not gonna suggest that we should call the business communities bluff, but you know, if this program is as beloved as the the community members suggested, I think that there'd be significant uh uh interest in sponsoring it. And and I think that the focusing on trying to find a sponsor for five million, I think that that's a silly prospect and a bit of uh Strawman argument. I think there's many different ways a sponsorship can materialize. Maybe it's a local business sponsoring a specific station and asking for that station to be named after their business. Maybe it's a sponsorship that would allow for certain times of the day. Maybe it's a sponsorship that could allow for the free fare zone to be extended. So again, I think there's some creativity here in that I I don't think that there's a sponsor out there who's going to want to pay for all five million. But is there a sponsor, a local business who really relies on the free fare zone that would love, say, the local station rather than being named after the street, but named after their business? And the goodwill that they'd earned from being seen as a supporter and paying a fraction of that five million. I absolutely think that that's absolutely viable. So again, uh counsel, I'd urge you to support this. So um let's allow the creativity out there, and I'd say let's also challenge the community. They they told us how important this program was, especially organizations like the Downtown Association, the Calgary Chamber. Other business associations. So again, just giant thank you to Councillor Tires for bringing this forward. I think this is this is really prudent and it makes a lot of sense. All right, over to Councillor Kelly on the amendment. Yeah, apologies. This is maybe more a point of order, but um I'll offer it as debate. Uh just wanted for all my council colleagues. Uh I know we've been kicking around five million being of value. I don't I don't think it's fair to any potential sponsor listening right now to recognize the fact, whoa, that's that that's the price. No, we uh we're happy to have a conversation with anybody who might be willing to to sponsor uh at various levels, depending on length of time. Uh I I recognize the fact that we just have been kicking around that that dollar amount because it's a dollar amount that happens to be in our package for uh uh safety related things, I believe. Uh so I just wanted to make sure that uh um you know the value of sponsorships and whatnot tends to be the kind of thing that we would that we would discuss enclosed. Uh so I just wanted to make sure that if any potential sponsors are listening, uh please don't hang your hat on that number as the actual number that we're that we're looking for. If you're interested, uh uh I know that uh uh Director Fleming or or or GM Morgan would be more than happy to have a conversation with you or our procurement department. Uh just wanted to make it make it really clear that uh that dollar amount is just a number that we've been uh kicking around here. It's not an actual value. Yeah, good point, Councillor Kelly. The the reason I mentioned that five million number is uh just is what is gonna be estimated in terms of new revenue if we were to charge for the free fare zone. But yeah, point well taken. Uh Councillor McLean, please, on the amendment. Just on the amendment. Um, I'll support this. I don't it it's never again to me about the money. I think there's a reason why T D probably walked me there wasn't any value of the downtown. I see the value for people riding it for free, but again to me it's always about safety. The nostalgia we can talk about forty years ago, thirty years ago, twenty years ago. That's not today. Those platforms are a lot different. So I encourage you again, because I do it every day. You walk out this door right here and go to that platform, and what you're seeing is not a whole bunch of tourists. What we're seeing there is not acceptable, and we should have tools for the police to be able to come up and say, What are you doing here? This is not a place to lawyer, this is not a place to do drugs, this is not a place to maybe take a potential weapon on the train. So again, I support this, but we may we miss the boat here on the safety issue. All right, I'm gonna go to Councillor Tyrus to close on this amendment. Okay, yeah, I guess what we heard earlier, like Dare to Dream, right? Like that five million dollars, it was just thrown out. It's not necessarily the number, but something that we definitely heard. Well, I wasn't here, but when I went back and looked at the footage, definitely heard from the business communities in particular that we're talking about how important the free fare zone is to allow business to thrive downtown. So let's give an opportunity. Um let's open up the sponsorship, whatever that looks like. I'm interested in all kinds of ways that we could do it. Sponsor it by station, sponsor it by street. Who knows? Like anybody who is interested in coming and having that conversation with us, I I think it's a good thing. Um, and like as far as like the safety issues, um We heard today that uh that the crime that we're seeing um at specific stations that aren't downtown aren't necessarily because of the free fare zone. It's to do with m safety. At those stations in particular. So that's a totally different topic. Something that, yes, needs to be addressed. And we have a budget that we we we put a bunch of money towards that. That's a totally different conversation. But as far as the free fare zone, if we can if we can move this forward so that we can see if there is interest and if we do have buy-in from the community, and if that comes back to us at the same time as Andrew, or sorry, Councillor Yule's amendment where we're reviewing to see what's going on. If all that information comes back at the same time, we can make a really good decision there. Okay. But uh right now, I I think this is a great way to move forward. Let's let's see what comes out of this. So please support it. Thank you. All right. Um Madam Clerk, let's please engage the e vote on this amendment. And the direct administration continue efforts to secure a sponsor and partner. Councillor Adkinson, your vote, please. Thank No. Yes? No? No. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried uh 14 to 1 with uh Deputy Mayor Chabot opposed. Um Madam Clerk? That's not correct. I had said no for Councillor Atkinson, but it was marked yes. Oh whoops. Uh can we recast that just to make sure that that vote is uh disregarded. Okay, let's uh engage the vote again on that amendment. Well the votes are run, Mayor Farkas. Thank you. Please display the results. All right, on that the motion is carried 13 to 2. Uh Councillor Johnston, did you want to go in on the uh main motion as amended? Yeah, I just wanted to ensure it's divided from four is divided from one and two and three. Okay. Uh given that there is an interest in having the each of those amendments, one, two, three, separate, I'm gonna suggest colleagues that we just call one, two, three, four one at a time and all of it is separate. Okay. Anyone else uh wanting to debate on the uh main uh recommendations here as amended? As amended, rather. Uh Councillor Atkinson? I'll be brief. Let's not kick the can down the road. Let's say no. Let's say that the free fare zone is something we should celebrate. It is something unique to Calgary. It is something that we should continue to have and something that we should just bake into the DNA of transit and and and our downtown and how we move folks around. So uh yeah, uh fair free zone forever. All right, Councillor Panasopoulos? Safe transit system forever. Vote for this. Public safety. The reason I voted for this is we get to focus on safety, our own administration, social disorders likely to move to areas just outside the stations. We need a plan. Number two. Number one, we have time to talk to people, including businesses. Number three, and heaven forbid those people listening, five million bucks will take it and run and go from there. And support something at one dollar. We have a complete fair review. There is going to be something there. This is actually the opposite. By voting against this, what right do we have to come back? We don't want to be kicking that, truly will be kicking the can. We have to come back and rehash everything. This is clearly saying look, this is about public safety. Every single thing we've said is about public safety. There's 10 million less riders on the C train because of public safety. Let's get those people back. It's taking time. We're talking, come back. We've got a fair strategy. It's whole. It is the complete. It has a safety. It has our downtown team. It has businesses, because we've all heard from those businesses saying, you know what, this is important. So do we have a strategy? But they also said safety. That's the catch 22. We had the chamber come in and say, don't get rid of it. 74% they want safety, and the gentleman, if you remember, saying, Oh, that's right, and then he sort of came back and said, No, we want it back. So, this is about we have to get this through. This is not free fare forever, it's public safety forever. I know everybody in council wants this. We have to get this through. If we don't, what are we coming back to? We're gonna have a fair discussion, and people are gonna come back and say, Well, we discussed that. There's gonna be five zones and ten zones, it's just gonna be absolute chaos. Vote this forward. Public safety priority number one. We've got cash coming, we're getting results. We can have that messaging back to Calgaryans that safety is a priority on transit, but more importantly, to downtown as well. So it's the counter vote to support this. Let's move forward. We come back in Q1, a fair review, a safety review, business review, and we'll have a better transit system and a better downtown. Thank you. Uh Councillor Ward, please. Yes. Um it it's quite unfortunate that this is so far removed from what the initial intent of this motion was that we are now completely lost. Um just uh I uh to make sure that my colleagues understand, because we've already botched a few vote the votes tonight. If you vote yes to this, you are kicking the can down the road to Q1 2027. If you vote no to this, the free fare zone stays. Just to be clear. That's correct, yeah. Point of order. This is this isn't a report reversed amendment, right? So if this fails, we go back to the original motion that which I moved. No, the entire motion has been fully amended now, and the original motion was the uh deleted in its entirety. So we would have to reintroduce that motion if this failed. Uh it would just there would be no matter to introduce the the the committee report will introduce. Couldn't reintroduce the original motion? Uh you could through a notice of motion if you wished. That's my interpretation. Maybe, madam clerk, if you want to weigh in. A vote on this will conclude the item. The option that's available to council would be a motion arising if it meets the definition of motion arising. But once an item is defeated or not adopted by council, we there's no bringing back an alternate the item is concluded. I I apologize, Councillor Ward. Yeah, but I I would say if we bring a motion arising, it's gonna directly conflict with what this is now. Like, guys, this is uh like I'm sorry, I'm gonna be blunt, but this is why you don't bring a ton of amendments to a motion. If you don't like the motion, vote no to it. Like this is insanity, but okay. I just wanted to make sure that people understood what they're voting on. Yeah, and and just to make crystal clear, Councillor Ward's point on the deferral, if the deferral uh proceeds, then the the decision on this will be deferred to a later day. Uh if the deferral fails, then the existing policy, which is the free fare zone, stands, which means that the essential the decision is to maintain it. Okay. Uh Councillor Kelly, please. Thank you, Bishop. Um I admit this is better than what we in my opinion than what we saw at the beginning. But purely I think from the the the volume of people that we had who reached out about this, every single person who came and presented a committee was against this. Virtually every email I think that we received was again was against uh um uh eliminating the free fare zone. I mean, based on all of that. Uh while this is better than what we saw before, I I I'm still gonna vote against it as a whole. Uh uh to uh respect those neighbors who've uh who've come forward and voiced their opinions. Uh as I take a look at the the the original uh uh motion, I wasn't in committee, so I didn't get a chance to uh to speak to it there. To me, honestly, it's the downside is way steeper than the upside for uh for eliminating the free fare zone. I'm uh I'm I look forward to the eventual fare strategy and uh a bit more of a system review in uh in terms of it. We'll see where we're at at that point, but uh um as it stands, um happy to happy to keep the free fare zone for potentially another 45 years. All right. Uh back to Councillor Johnson. I believe you had debated on the main motion. Is is a clarifying question. Yeah, I have a debate on this main motion now, but I guess I'm now confused kind of what uh Councillor Kelly had just said about voting no to this to keep the free fare zone, correct? But you voted yes to all of these to put on here. Okay. Okay, well if we if we push this to Q1 2027 March or whatever, we have an opportunity to have more data if it exists. I mean, but from now until then, officers are gonna be without potential tools according to them. And I feel if we get another Crowfoot incident happening, it's on us from here on out. So just keep that in mind. Thank you. All right, uh Councillor Schmidt, please. Uh I uh I'm going to support this because I do appreciate the amount of work that was put into coming up with some of these strategies to get better data, to bring in more people who have a vested interest in the free fare zone, and looking at ways that it could potentially improve. Whether it exists or not. And many of the emails came from folks who live in Ward 8, who, despite all the safety concerns raised today, spoke strongly in support of keeping it. And the thing that speaks to me is the prediction that we have that should the free fare zone close, the public safety issues would filter into the neighborhoods, the same neighborhoods of the people who want us to keep it open. So we would, in effect, be punishing. The residents of Ward 8 twice for a decision to eliminate it completely. And that is is not fair to them. And I think there's also a point here where during the rezoning hearing, many members of this council spoke about the importance of public engagement and listening to the public. This is the the public engagement here is much more definitive than the engagement that occurred during the rezoning debate. And so there's a little bit of cognitive dissonance happening there. And while I would like to see this conversation come to an end, I I do think. Personally, I feel like I owe it to Councillor Pandasopoulos, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Tyres, others who have thought a lot about this and that through this continued work we might actually see a better outcome in the end for Ward 8 and for the entire city. So I'll support this today, and I'm hoping that we have more clarity come Q1 2027 along with new opportunities. Thank you. I'm gonna go to Councillor Atkinson, point of order. Uh just we heard something about Crowfoot, and I just want to make sure that I don't have things incorrect here. We had questions about was the incident at Crowfoot in any way connected to the fare-free zone. Councillor, thank you. No. Thank you. Thank you, uh Councillor Atkinson. Uh Deputy Mayor Chabot, please. Yeah, well. Some of the debate that's been happening as in relations to keeping the free fare zone. The only motion that I see worth supporting here or considering supporting is recommendation number one. Because we did talk about how we're going to move to new technology, maybe uh the zone-based fares. Uh maybe we could have a reduced fare for the downtown, especially if you stay within the same zone that wouldn't be free and would actually give the officers the tools to work with. And then if you're traveling extended period uh distances, uh then potentially you would be paying more, just like if I have to drive my car a greater distance, cost me a lot more to go a greater distance. um all of the other recommendations, the idea of we need to engage the downtown folks and other businesses and whatnot. That's what they just finished doing. They initially came out with a recommendation that That didn't have that much engagement with the businesses and the arts. And so so we sent them back to do that. And they did that. And now we're telling them to go back and do it again. I uh sorry, it's just it's like groundhog day for me here. And and this is not ground not the second groundhog day, this is like the fifth groundhog day for me because I've seen this this movie play out numerous times. Um at some point in time we have to decide whether or not we want to give our enforcement uh officers the tools to work with to help to make our system safer, because you will hear it time and again, if you haven't already, from your constituents. The main reason people aren't getting on transit is because of safety and not just because of safety. Just the perception of safety is enough to keep people off of the system. We want to increase our cost recovery. The fare box probably the best way to do it is getting more people back on the system with that are paying for their fare. We're we've got deep subsidies out there. We're we're at what 30% cost recovery. We need to improve that. So I'll support number one, but I'm certainly not going to support the other ones, and please call them separately. Uh, I will throw myself into debate. I uh fully support uh retaining the free fare zone. I view it as uh essential infrastructure, uh socially, economically, even Uh in terms of safety, firstly on the safety piece. We know that I I f I'm quite skeptical in terms of uh some of the data points in the administration report. I find it uh dubious to suggest that uh the vast majority of folks who are boarding the the system today would in fact still board and pay in a future circumstances without the free fare zone. I'll suggest that it just simply having more bodies, more eyes on the system itself uh is a net contributor to public safety on the system. I I find it I'm quite challenged as well by the five million dollar uh revenue target. I uh having such a high percentage of those folks who are boarding today for free and having that level of compliance and that buy in. Um quite sorry, point of privilege, Councillor Johnston? Yeah, sorry. Um just clarification, was Mike Atkinson's was his a point of privilege or a point of order? Uh would have been a point of privilege, but I uh acknowledge them to speak, yeah. Okay. And so He stated point of order, but uh it it was it more akin to a point of privilege based on quoting something. Yeah. Okay, so I should have had point of order to question the point of order about a point of privilege and Uh you have the floor, go ahead. What's your concern? Well actually it's just something you said and uh you know I'm gonna refrain from saying it, so I'll leave it there. It is, Yeah. but I just think it's important when you talk about safety, you're the only person in the city that travels with security guards. Hey, Councillor Johnson, you don't need to make it personal in terms of the threat profile that the the mayor of Calgary will receive. It's that's completely beyond the pale, sir. Okay. And I'd ask you to please withdraw that. Okay, sure, I'll withdraw it. Yep. But your worship, I will rise on a point of privilege. Yeah. Councillor Shabot, please. And the point of privilege I'm rising on, Your Worship, is you're challenging to the to the numbers because during committee, the administration was challenged as to uh how much rigor they put into actually coming up with those numbers, and they did indicate that not only did they put a ton of rigor into assessing those numbers, but that they were actually very conservative. Just wanted to make that point, your worship. Thanks. I'll I'll note Deputy Member Chabot, you probably know that points of privilege and points of order are not used for rebuttal or debate. It's only if you believe that you yourself have been misquoted or the the the rights of the body have been violated. So again, my interpretation of the administration report is separate from that. But point well taken, maybe if we can just proceed to our hopefully our our n uh at least a few more items tonight. All right, my my point about public safety is having more people on the train, having more people on transit is a net contributor to its vibrancy. We heard strong support from uh members of the public. One thing that's a bit of a game changer as well on this is sitting on the board of the uh convention center, knowing that we market Calgary anywhere between two to 15 years out. Having the free fare zone is a mitigating factor in that currently we do not have currently uh direct LRT connection from our downtown to the airport. And actually having multiple uh hotels along the alignment, convening at one major event center along the corridor is actually a way that uh we can otherwise uh bring in more business than otherwise. Appreciate the efforts that the community made on saving this essential program. I think it's also going to be incumbent on the community to step up and show that support on an ongoing basis. We can't rest on our laurels, and I know that the interest of this council is to uh perhaps take a look at decisions of previous councils, uh policies that have been in place for quite some time. I respect the fact that us as a group are wanting to do our due diligence and make sure that we understand why things that are the way they are are the way they are. But I would suggest just with with full respect to all of you colleagues is that not everything that uh has been done in the past is necessarily something that needs to be reversed. Um obviously we were um elected on uh a broad change mandate, but we don't necessarily have to be the opposite of uh the previous mayors and the previous council on on absolutely every single issue. And in this case, uh this is a program that's been working for for many, many years, decades, in fact. Uh I'll adjust one thought as well and that You don't even need to spend any time downtown in order to benefit from a program like the Free Fair Zone. If you're going, for example, from Shaunessy to the university, having more bodies on the system, more people on the train as you're making your transit through downtown without yourself stopping, you're a net beneficiary of that. If you're a taxpayer, either residential taxpayer or a commercial taxpayer outside of the downtown core, you benefit from having an active and a vibrant downtown in terms of reduction for policing costs, but also in terms of the taxes that you yourself pay. The immediate crisis that I experienced about five years ago was the property tax shift from the office vacancy rates, knowing that uh the downtown values had cratered that redistribution, that money needed to be made up elsewhere. So having a successful downtown is something that benefits the the rest of the city, regardless of whether you yourself are the beneficiary directly from uh being uh employed downtown or going downtown. So, for so many different reasons, uh, I'll be strongly supporting retaining the free fare zone. I will not be supporting the deferral of the decision, however, so I will be voting no on number one, mostly because I think we need to make a decision. We need to be bold, we we need to commit to this program. And I fully respect and intent uh the intent of the uh folks who worked on the amendment to suggest that a deferral to a later point may make more sense with more information. But I've certainly uh heard enough from the public uh in terms of consolidating my position on this. Of course, I do have an open mind if this does come back to us by Q1 in 2027, but I think if we can send a strong signal of confidence in our downtown as a council by uh sending a clear signal that we are going to keep this program, it helps also mitigate uh some of the concerns that might be out there for specifically for conventions. So if we're trying to book events and conventions for a downtown, uh one of the selling features is the free fare zone. And if we have to have a giant asterisk up until Q1 of 2027 in terms of whether it'll be there next year or five years from now or 10 years from now, I think that that's a killer. So if you want to, regardless of whether you support the free fare zone or not, I think the worst case scenario is prolonging the uncertainty uh around the topic. So I am closed and I'm gonna go back to Oh my gosh, it was Councillor Shabot ultimately who uh moved this. So you have the opportunity to close on this new uh amended motion. Deputy Mayor Shabot. Well, I'm not sure how it is that I get to close on this, to be honest with you, because my motion was actually replaced by an alternate motion, which is why I wouldn't wasn't able to bring mine back. I will say this. Um if we're even going to consider it, then we're going to look at alternate fair strategies, as I indicated previously. Uh let's let the fair strategy play out and look at what other um opportunities there may be to maybe introduce something, even if it's just a penny to stay within the zone, it will give that tool uh for our administrative folks to actually. Uh action the things that they that they want to action. It'll give them that tool to actually be able to do that engagement and enforcement and maybe connect some of the folks that need other services to those services. But the ability to actually engage them lawfully is something that they can only do if we eliminate that free fare zone. Like I said, even if it's just one penny. If we had a tap-on-tap-off service that could uh charge based on zones within a zone, it could be a dollar, two zones, two dollars, something. Let's look at the whole fair strategy to consider what ultimately might be the best solution on a go forward basis and maybe improve our cost recovery at the same time. But ultimately, the main objective should be to improve safety. And security on our transit system. We can't expect our citizens to be our enforcement folks. To say that increased amount of activity on the system will help to improve the safety of it. Well, essentially you're asking the citizens to be our enforcement officers, and I sure as heck would not be asking my citizens to be enforcement officers. So say support recommendation number one. Previously stated I I don't like the recommendations two, three, or four, uh, but I previously asked for them to be called separately. I think one, albeit it's it's not the ideal solution for me, it's the least bad option. So please support one and do what you will with regards to the rest. Closed. I'm gonna go to Councillor Dallywall for question clarification on what's being voted on. Councillor Dallywell, go ahead. Thank you, Mayor. Uh since we had so much discussion, I just want clerics if they can help us uh go through steps one, two, three, four. What does one voting yes no means uh in uh conjunction to the original motion? If we vote yes, what is the implication? If we vote no, what is the implication of that, please, if you don't mind. For sure. So uh really the the bullets two, three, and four are relatively straightforward. Two is to explore the feasibility of transferring the program uh from transit to the downtown strategy team. Three is to undertake more engagement with stakeholders in the downtown. Four is to uh attempt to secure a sponsoring partner. Number one, uh on the deferral of the decision of the free fare zone. So voting yes to defer the decision is not to make a decision to keep it or to scrap it for today, but to make that decision likely at the beginning of next year. Uh so a vote yes to defer is to make that decision later. Uh a vote no to defer is to essentially keep the uh free fare zone without a decision to be made later. So if you're somebody who is seeking to um discontinue the free fare zone, I would suggest that you would vote yes to defer the decision in order to make the case in Q1 of 2027 about why the free fare zone should be eliminated. And if you're wanting to keep the free fare zone, you would vote no on the deferral of the decision. Because if the deferral of the decision fails, then uh because this is a fully alternate motion, the the standard policy and the practice of the free fare zone will be maintained. Great. Thank you for that clarification. Thank you, Mir. All right, so we were gonna we're gonna call these all of these one through four completely separately. So firstly on bullet one, deferring the decision to Q1 of 2027. Let's engage the e vote. Councillor Schmidt, your vote please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the result. On that, the motion is carried nine to six with counselors ward, Kelly, Dallywell, Atkinson, Clark, and myself opposed. And we'll go now to bullet two, please. And that is on the uh exploring the feasibility of transferring the program from transit to downtown. Let's engage the e vote, please. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion has been defeated. 7 to 8 with Councillors Ward, Johnston, Atkinson, Jameson, Tyre, Shabot, Wines, and McLean opposed. We'll go now to three on the engagement. This is to direct administration and undertake further engagement with stakeholders in the downtown. Let's engage the evote, please. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried eight to seven with counselors ward. Johnston, Dallywall, Atkinson, Jameson, Chabot, and Wynus opposed. Excuse me. Okay. Sorry, Councillor McLean, please go ahead. I'm sorry, I need reconsideration. I voted wrong, I hit the wrong button. Could you have will of counsel to see if you'll allow me to change my vote, please? Is there any opposition to Councillor McClain changing his vote? Okay, seeing none, uh, we will change that vote. Okay, Madam Clerk. Um, just apologies, Mayor, just thinking through um the rules because it is changing the outcome. I'm just wondering if we need a reconsideration. If you just bear with me for one second. Sorry, 126. Okay. So the rules are if a member requests to change their vote and the requested change does not alter the vote result, the request may be done before any other b business begins by unanimous consent or a majority vote. Sub two provides that if a member requests to change their vote and the request to change would alter their vote result, the member may only move to reconsider the original vote before any other business. So in this case, um Councillor McLean would need to move to reconsider the original vote prior to it being taken. Okay, so Councillor McLean's vote has not changed. We've had a request from him. Madam Clerk, it probably makes sense for us to just call four, uh, given that we're in in uh a sequence of votes here, and then come back to reconsider just that. Bullet three? Okay. Okay, let's do that. So let's engage the uh we'll come back to you, Councillor McLean. Uh let's engage the e vote, please, on uh the uh bullet four on seeking the sponsor. Mayor Farkas, your vote please. Yes. Thank you. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 10 to 5 with counselors Atkinson, Jameson, Chabot, Wyness, and McLean opposed. All right, so that resolves this item. Immediately after this item, I'm gonna go back to Councillor McLean. And I think uh you need to uh council McLean uh move a reconsideration of that. But council be warned that Councillor McClain changing his vote will impact the outcome. So the engagement that would have proceeded will not proceed if Councillor McLean is allowed to change his vote. And that's in with regards to recommendation three, which was the engagement. Yeah. So that's been moved by Councillor McLean, seconded by Councillor Chabot. Any uh discussion on this? Um Yeah, I'd I'll just uh speak to it quickly. Um this has happened sometimes and this uh happened before where you have your hovering over yes and you meant to hit no. So I was always in no. Uh so vote vote vote your conscience, but please reconcile let me reconsider my vote. uh colleagues, I uh I will I was on the Prevailing side, I supported the engagement. I will support Councillor McLean's reconsider of it, reconsideration of it regardless. I think it's just procedurally, it's fair. Uh it's immediately after the vote was cast. Uh uh, despite the fact that allowing him to do that will allow me not to get my way on this matter. I think it's just important as for. The health of us as a council and decorum to allow uh Council McClain uh to accurately have his intent, especially given that his intent and debate was provided in opposition of engagement. So despite the fact that I personally support the engagement, I think it's just procedurally fair to allow Council McClain's uh true wishes to be reflected in the motion. So um let's engage the e vote, please, on uh the reconsideration of the vote with respect to recommendation three on the item we just had. Councillor Jameson, your vote, please? Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 13 to 2 with counselors Johnston and Jameson opposed. And Madam Clerk, is it deemed to have already been moved and seconded? And now we're just in debate. It it just goes to a vote on Okay, so we're we're going straight to a vote here. Okay. Uh point of privilege. I think I need to reconsider. Uh you know, I just want to Councillor Johnston. We're in the midst of voting, so I'll come back to you after the vote is concluded. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please uh display the results. All right. That motion has carried eight to seven. Counselors. Ward, Johnston, Dallywell, Jameson, Chabot, and Wynus, and McLean opposed. Okay. Okay, just to explain, so councillor McLean had changed his vote uh from a yes to a no and Yeah, I believe somebody else changed their no to a yes. So I reconsidered my vote. okay. All right. Uh Councillor Johnston, did you want to speak? Did you have something? Nope, I'm good. Thank you. All right. We gotta make point of funny a thing in our procedure by law. All right. Uh council, we have 27 minutes to redeem ourselves. I believe that uh there Alright, Madam Clerk. Uh we've concluded the the section seven, right? So now we are rather administration reports. Am I looking at 9.3.1? Is that right? That's right. We just concluded the consent agenda. Okay, 9.3.1. We have public member appointments to boards, commissions, and committees. And perhaps for the members of the media who are watching or the uh dozens and dozens of people who are listening to the podcast, the free fare zone, uh the dis the ultimate decision on it has been deferred to Q1 of 2027. So the free fo free fare zone stays for now, and a decision on this will be made in Q1 of 2027. Kim, you're up. Good evening, Mayor and Council. I'm Lori Sittler. I'm the leader of municipal boards and governance. I'm supported today by Deputy City Clerk Fraser and our coordinator of governance and policy, Jeannie Dubetz. I'm here this evening to present the quarterly report of appointments, public member appointments to boards, commissions, and committees. I do have a presentation if you would like me to go through it, or I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have. Let's do a brief presentation. Presentation. Okay, great. Can we please put up the presentation? Uh the recommendations being brought forward are that council adopt the confidential recommendation contained in confidential attachment to Appoint the individual recommended in Confidential Attachment 3A as a public member of the Calgary Salutes Friends of HMCS Calgary Subcommittee for completion of a term to expire at the 2026 Organizational Meeting of Council. Appoint the individuals recommended in Confidential Attachment 4A as public members of the Anti-Racism Action Committee for the completion of two-year terms to expire at the 2027 Organizational Meeting of Council. Acknowledge the following as members of the Calgary Salutes Coordinating Committee by virtue of their positions. Commander Anna Cocott, Captain of HMCS Temcusa, Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Beauchamp as designate of the brigade commander for 41 Canadian Brigade Group. Acknowledge Ian Fleming, Director of Recreation and Social Programs, and as an administrative member of the Multi Sport Field House Committee by virtue as his position as the city as set out in Attachment 5. Thank public members Harjeet Bowman, Denise Audrey Linoux, Veronica McHugh, and Rhonda Thorne for their service on council committees. Direct the City Clerk to make the public member appointments publicly available following notification of the appointees and their acceptance of the appointments, and direct that closed meeting discussions and confidential attachments 2, 3A, 3B, 4A, and 4B remain confidential pursuant to sections 20 and 22 of the Access to Information Act not to be released. Next slide, please. The Advisory Committee on Accessibility received a resignation from a member. The recommendation being put forward is to keep the position vacant until the 2026 organizational meeting of council. Next slide, please. In confidential attachment to you will notice a member of the Calgary Salutes HMCS Calgary Subcommittee became ineligible to remain on the subcommittee. There is a reserve list applicant that was identified during 2025's appointments and is being recommended to fulfill the term that will expire at the 2026 organizational meeting of council. Next slide, please. Three members of the Anti-Racism Action Committee have resigned their position. There are two reserve applicants identified in Confidential Attachment 4A being recommended to continue two of the resigned position terms expiring at the 2027 Organizational Meeting of Council. It is being recommended to have the third position remain vacant until the 2026 organizational meeting of council. Next slide, please. Section 7 of the Calgary Salutes Committee bylaw provides for two non-voting public members that are identified by their position or may be filled by their designate. The captain of HMCS Tecumseh and the brigade commander of 41 Canadian Brigade Group. The designates for these positions were not identified in time for the 2025 Organizational Meeting of Council. It is being recommended to recognize Commander Anna Kokod, Captain of HMCS Tecumsa, and Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Beauchamp, designate of the brigade commander for 41 Canadian Brigade Group for these two non voting public member positions. Next slide, please. According to Section 6 of the Multi-Sport Field House Committee bylaw, composition of the committee includes the Director of Recreation and Social Programs as one of the two non voting administrative member positions. Due to a leadership transition of the director position, it is recommended that Ian Fleming now be acknowledged as an administrative member by virtue of his position. Next slide, please, and we are back to the original recommendations. Great. Based on that, colleagues, can I please have a mover and seconder? Moved by Councillor or Deputy Mayor Chabot, seconded by Councillor Yule. Any debate or discussion on this, colleagues? Great job with that. Um very thorough. Uh I believe that we can engage the evote on this. Councillor Ewell, your vote please. Yes. Councillor Tyres, your vote, please. Absent. Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 14 to 0. Uh nine point. The next item is time sensitive to tomorrow at 1 o'clock. So I believe that we're now in 9.4. One update to the emergency management bylaw 25M 2002. Good evening, Council. I'm Ian Bushel, the Director of Emergency Management and Community Safety. I'm happy to go through the presentation. It is quite brief, if you would like. Uh colleagues, uh do you have an interest in the presentation? Okay. I think you're off the hook. Excellent. Well uh councillor Shabot, yeah. Yeah, please go ahead. Sure. I'll give you very uh very briefly. Um the updates. Uh next slide, please. Thank you. Um, so there's just two recommendations. One is to give three readings to some minor changes to the proposed bylaw uh to amend the emergency management bylaw. And then the second one is to approve some amendments to the municipal emergency plan. Next slide, please. There are just a couple of minor housekeeping items in the emergency management bylaw. One is to change the title of the director of emergency management in there. That is Chief Sue Henry, whose title has changed from the Director of Emergency Management Operations and 911 to just Emergency Management Operations. So it's just a housekeeping item. Nothing else has changed. And then some housekeeping around the procedure bylaw. Again, just to reflect some housekeeping changes around some title changes. That's it. Next slide, please. And then the municipal emergency plan was heavily updated in 2025. And this year we've made some minor updates to the disaster consultation group and some amendments based on after action reports from previous activations just to improve it. Again, minor amendments. Next slide, please. That's it. Short and sweet. Great. Uh Uh can I please have a mover and seconder for the recommendations? moved by Councillor Clark, seconded by Councillor McLean. Any discussions or questions on this, colleagues? All right, seeing none. Uh Councillor Clark, are you closed? Okay. All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the evote, please. Councillor Tyres, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 15 to 0. First reading of bylaw 18M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw, 18M 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 18M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 18M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. All right, so we're on 9.4.2 Nose Creek Sanitary Trunk Capital Budget Request. Uh good evening, members of council. My name is Maggie Choi. I'm the manager of growth infrastructure planning. Would you like a presentation this evening? I don't think so. I think we had a pretty thorough discussion at uh executive committee. Colleagues, any further questions? Councillor Chabot, please. Have we um have we tried engaging the provincial government to maybe assist us us as well? Being as there's helping Chestermere, right? Um there's help for Airdrie. Uh certainly we continue to advocate for funding where possible. Um we have put forward several different lists. I don't know specific to this project or not. This is the project that they're helping to fund for airdry, right? That's correct. Just thought I'd ask. Yeah, I'll jump in and say uh perhaps uh Councillor McLean has more information than me uh as part of the he attended a regional table meeting just a couple days ago, but I know that it's actively on the desk of the six mayors and the Reeve to make a joint submission about why support specifically for water utility in the Calgary region is worthy of provincial support. So Same line essentially. Yeah. They're paying only for the airjury side. It's only fair that we should be able to ask who's a who's our MLE in that area. So we we know who is on the other side, uh Miss or M L E Angela Pitt, right? Who's on on our side? We should be we should be lobbying that MLE, I think. Anyways, thanks. That's all the questions I have. Appreciate it. Thanks. Can I please have a mover and seconder on that? Uh moved by Councillor Yule, second by Councillor Kelly. Any further debate or discussion on that? Okay. Seeing none, uh let's engage the evote, please. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. That the motion is carried, 15 to 0. First reading of bylaw 8B 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. All right, we've dealt with 943 earlier in the day. We are now on 9.4.4. Notice of motion. Increasing capacity in the local area plan program. I believe uh Councillor Kelly you're up. Really wasn't looking forward to this being at like 9 20 at night, but uh here we are. Uh thank you, members of council. Uh I I rise today to introduce this notice of motion to increase capacity in the local area, uh local area plan program. Um, as we've heard through the recent public hearing, uh the blanket rezoning public hearing, Calgaryans are. Deeply engaged in how their communities involve, but they're also expressing clear concerns. Many residents feel that development is happening without their feedback, and they have been expressing concerns about what their neighborhoods will look like in the future. Local area plans are the best available tool to address these concerns. They give Calgarians a meaningful voice in shaping growth, especially if we as counselors are working alongside them throughout that process, and they provide a clear long term roadmap for redevelopment. However, the current pace is not keeping up with the need. With only a small number of plans completed and several still in progress, it could take up to 15 to 20 years to complete all of these plans. That is simply too long to leave communities without clarity. The purpose of the this motion proposes a practical solution, accelerating the work just by a little by initiating three additional local area plans. Let me be clear here. This work will require a 2027 budget ask. But what is before us today is providing administration permission to be prepared should we fully fund this work in November so that they can hit the ground running in 2027 and deliver on the expectations of neighbors like those that we heard during the blanket rezoning public hearing. This is a responsible investment that will help bring certainty and transparency to the process, allowing more uh better planning outcomes for more communities sooner. Ultimately, this is about building trust. It's also about ensuring that growth is guided and reflective of the people who live in these neighborhoods. For these reasons, I encourage council to support this motion as our first step in addressing the growth concerns shared with us during the blanket rezoning public hearing. And I thank counselors Jameson, Clark, Tyres, and Mayor Farkas for co sponsoring this notice of motion before us today. I'm happy to answer any questions on clothes should any of the councillors have any. All right, can I get a seconder, please? Uh seconded by Councillor Tires. Uh Councillor Johnson, you're in the queue. Yeah, we received a document about the Calgary plan, and I'm just curious how those two things would work together or work against each other if administration can help me understand a bit better. Through the mayor, uh to councillor Johnson. So yes, the Calgary plan is the municipal develop will be, it's our draft updated municipal development plan. The municipal development plan is our citywide policy. The local area plan sits under that. They're both statutory plans, and the local area plan gets more specific down to that community level. So they complement each other. Yes, they work together. And if there's not a local area plan in an area, then when we're reviewing applications, we would revert to the municipal development plan. And if we vote no on this, how long would it take to get to these through the proper process? So we're we've got three underway, and I think Councillor Kelly in his opening said approximately 15 years to get the entire city, although I I believe you were calculating for the entire city, Councillor Kelly. Just a nod. Uh b based on the numbers that were uh provided. Yeah, I unfortunately I can't allow that kind of back and forth under the Sorry, I just was looking for a nod. So essentially a lot of the outer communities have area structure plans, so we don't have to go out there because they're still developing, but um it will it will take several years. Just to get to these specific three though. What this is proposing is three additional local area plans to the to in addition to the three we currently have underway. So we would then have we would be able to, if this was approved with the funding, able to resource six local area plan teams to undertake six local area plans at one time. And do we have three in the path? Like coming after these three if we approve these three, and obviously there's resource issues, but would there be three more coming after this? So when we finish one local area plan, we start another one. So right now, though we only have three two teams doing this work, what this is doing is essentially doubling our capacity. Okay. Um and how many more potential local area plans are out there? Um I'll ask Director Goldstein to answer that. Hi, Councillor Johnson. We have about 17 total remaining, give or take. Area structure plans, we don't anticipate needing to redo those. Most of them have been done within the last 10 years. And so what this would do would be to, as GM Hamilton said, add three additional, so six total going at one time. We actually stagger them so they're not. The council isn't going to see six local area plans at the same council meeting. Um and it helps with communities as well because there are members that may participate in multiple local area plans at the same time. are any of these three or the other three that have already been approved there any of those connected to Ward 14? They are not. Okay, thank you. So if this notice of motion goes through, we would undertake the work to establish where the next three are going to be undertaken. So the existing three that are underway right now are there is actually like a small corner that is part of one of your industrial areas. Other than that, that's in the existing local area plans. Are they prioritized uh local area plans? So they are the evaluation is done based on development pressures that are going on, investments that are going on from the city, or very large redevelopments that are happening. And the idea would be that we would like to get ahead of growth as well. So areas that may not have development pressures happening today, but could have some coming within that near future as well. Okay, thank you. Thank you. All right. Uh next up, Councillor Clark. Yeah, thank you, sir. Just a quick question. Of course, as we speak of the ongoing uh LAPs, uh we know that uh Ward 9 is lucky to be engaged with um uh the South Bow and Carburn. So it I just the question that I have is what are the implications to the work ongoing? If we approve three more and your team is engaged with the additional work, are there any implications to the quality uh of outcomes to the existing work happening in my neighborhoods? Thank you, Councillor Clark, through through the chair. I'll speak to budget and then I'll let Director Goldstein add if there's anything else. So this notice of motion is very specific and that we need budget to hire the staff to do to undertake those additional three LAPs. Without budget, we cannot do this work. And I'll turn to Director Goldstein for anything else. So the budget associated with this would be to create identical teams to the ones that are going through the three local area plans today. So we wouldn't anticipate there being any impact to the quality of the existing local area plans that are ongoing today. The piece that's important is to staff the team with the most knowledgeable people doing this work. This is advanced work that we need to do, and that's why the budget ask would be before council in November. Okay, great. That's good for me. Thank you. Councillor Jameson, please. Yes, thank you. Um so yeah, so I I did support uh this this norm because I I believe that the numbers that that I calculated over 400 speakers at the rezoning hearing, um, and the message was clear. Uh residents want to say How their neighborhoods develop. The LAPs are how we deliver that. I believe the 400K is self funded from existing planning and development services variants and fees. The repeal removed the blunt interest instrument. You know, the LAP is the precision tool that replaces it. I think everybody heard that pretty clearly. Any Councillor that supported repeal, in my opinion, should probably support this. Thank you. Councillor Chabot, please. So I heard budget, but nobody gave me a number. Do we have any idea on what kind of budget numbers we're talking about for all three? We're not going to do one at a time, right? We're talking about doing all three simultaneously. The apologies. The total uh would be fourteen point seven million dollars added and that is because it we would need it for at least a three year period. You can't just have a one year start on an LAP that will take three years. Okay, thanks. Not 400,000, not self-funded. 14.7 million dollars. If I may, Councillor Chabot, so that This is two-pronged, right? Because the ask is for us to start in 2026, and that's using a 400,000 budget. We this team does have two funding sources, so both fees and tax. I've let the mover know that there is an issue with our fee component of this for this year. But given when we'll be able to start this, it's going to be a small amount, so it should be doable. And then, yes, the the $14 million is in your budget. Well, it it would be needed to be approved in the budget. Will be. Yes. Every year. Yes, thank you. Oh, we I'm I'm gonna be blunt here. We we just had a very difficult discussion. We we know what LAPs are. Well, at least some of us know. Uh we used to do ASPs, which was like Community by community almost, very small in nature. These LEPs are multiple ASPs combined together. So the idea that we're not moving fast is actually not accurate. If you look at how much we're doing as far as new plans currently versus what we were doing in the past, this is a very accelerated process of looking at amending our area structure plans or area redevelopment plans, now local area plans. So the idea of now doubling that capacity, you have to also consider double the capacity, hire all those people to do all of this work. Most of it is focused around old established areas. Um currently, soon we're going to be going into areas that will not be developing or redeveloping for the next 20 to 30 years. By the time they actually come into effect, they will be outdated. This is this is just beyond. Beyond what I think is reasonable. If this was looking at adding maybe one more LAP to the current three that are underway, I might want to consider it in light of the challenges that we're going to be facing come November. I I can't, in good conscience, add this in addition to what we've already seen as far as projected budgetary increases. So I'm definitely a no, definitely a no. All right. Uh this is an important strategic topic for council. We have many other folks uh in the queue. Uh rather than seek a motion to go late, I'm just gonna bang the gavel. We're gonna be back here at one o'clock. See you tomorrow. Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Councillor Ewell. Councillor Atkinson. Councillor Shabot. Councillor Clark. Councillor Dollywall. Councillor Dollywall Remote? Yes. Thank you. Councillor Jameson. Count Councillor Johnston, Councillor Kelly, Present. Councillor McLean, I'm here. Councillor Pantozopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Kara, and Mayor Farkas. I'm here. Thank you, Mayor. All right, colleagues, we were midway through uh councillor uh Kelly's local era plan item. What I'm gonna suggest, uh given that I would argue that as a council, there's probably no greater strategic priority for us than the recruitment of our CAO, that we respect the uh 1 p.m. spit time specific item for this. So Uh based on that, could I request a motion to postpone this item until the conclusion? Your worship, if I may Councillor Shabot? Yep. before we do that. Yep. Um I wanted to raise uh I don't know if it's a point of procedure or a point of privilege in regards to a uh response that I got from administration yesterday when I asked about the cost of the uh the three LAPs. And the number that I got was I believe a uh a total sum, but the base uh budget requirement is going to be uh three million dollars per year, of course, in perpetuity because we're talking about staff members, so I wanted to be that be on the record that is three million dollars is the going to be the annual uh operating cost associated with those three LAPs. Thank you, uh Council. Thank you, Deputy Mayor Shabot. Well taken. Uh before before I seek that motion to postpone, however, uh just wanted to openly acknowledge uh and wish a happy uh Eid to our Muslim Calgarians who are celebrating, and I'll go to uh Councillor McClain for an acknowledgement. Oh, thank you, Mayor. Aid El Adha Mubarak to Calgary's Muslim community and to all those celebrating. As families and friends gather in prayer, reflection, and generosity, I want to thank Muslim Calgarians for the many ways you strengthen our city through service, compassion, and community. Thank you, Councillor McLean. All right, uh so as I was mentioning before, uh uh Councillor Kelly, would you be willing to move the postponement of this item? Uh yeah, we've already waited twelve hours. I think it's okay to wait a little bit more. All right, uh that's been moved by Councillor Kelly. Can I have a seconder, please? Okay, seconded by Councillor Schmidt. And that's to essentially just postpone the item that we're on on the increasing local airplane capacity to be to be at the conclusion of the CAO recruitment and appointment uh item. So on that, uh any discussion or debate? Okay, seeing none, uh I will call the e vote. So let's engage the e vote on that, please. And then to be clear, we would just come back to the LAP item after. Uh the conclusion the CIO item. Councillor Atkinson, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Sherbeau, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Wyness, your vote, please. Thank you. And Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. Oh, Thank you. Mayor, all the votes. Councillor Shabot did not vote? I believe the system's a little bit slow. The system was a little bit slow, but we did see a check mark on yours. No? Just verify, Councillor Shabot, you voted in favor. Okay. Then all the votes are in. And uh please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 15 to 0. All right. Uh we are now on the time specific item. Um is it over you, Madam Clerk? Okay. Thank you, Mayor Farkas and members of council. So Kate Martin, City Clerk. I do have a brief presentation to walk council through if you would like, or otherwise, I'm happy to proceed to questions. No, thanks. Please please go ahead. Okay. Okay, so just one moment, please. So before I get started, Council, I do have one important introduction to make. I would like to let you know that in support of today's presentation, with respect to establishment of a Chief Administrative Officer Recruitment and Appointment Subcommittee, I am joined today by Mr. George Cuff, who is in the audience. He will be supporting administration and the delivery of this presentation. Mr. Kuff is someone who has worked extensively with both City Solicitor Flohen as well as our acting general manager Jennifer Capella and myself, as well as members of our senior management team. In terms of a brief introduction, Mr. Cuff is someone who has more who has more than 40 years of municipal government experience. He is someone who has extensive experience in CAO recruitment as well. And I felt that it was important that you could have someone here that would provide you with independent external advice with respect to the CAO recruitment. So, with that brief introduction, if I could go to the next slide, please. Council, in terms of the recommendations that are before you today, first and foremost, it's to give three readings to a proposed bylaw to establish the Chief Administrative Officer Recruitment and Appointment Subcommittee of the Executive Committee as a committee of counsel. Second, it's to appoint four members of the executive committee to serve on this subcommittee for terms expiring 60 days after the commencement date of employment of the permanent chief administrative officer to allow for this subcommittee to deliver a council led onboarding and orientation. And lastly, is to appoint a chair of the Chief Administrative Officer Recruitment and Appointment Subcommittee. At some point, I might start saying CAO just to speed things up. Next slide, please. So, in terms of highlights, council, as Mayor Farkas has just indicated, this is one of the biggest decisions that this council will be making. City Council is now beginning the search of the City of Calgary's next CAO. The executive committee already has the power to refer reports to council regarding the recruitment and appointment of the CAO. That is the existing governance model. Council has deemed it necessary to establish a subcommittee of the executive committee. And then lastly, in terms of the responsibilities, the subcommittee would be responsible for recommending candidates. And that is really important to note. The committee would be recommending candidates for appointment by council as the next CAO and organize a council led onboarding and orientation of that individual after the appointment. Next slide, please. Really briefly, Council, in terms of governance, the governance model that is being proposed today is one that fits into the existing rules within the procedure bylaw. So the CAO recruitment and appointment subcommittee would be one to execute the recruitment and appointment process and provide recommendations to the executive committee. From there, the executive committee already has the ability to provide recommendations and refer reports to council for a decision. And of note, under the procedure bylaw, your executive committee also has the power to refer items back. So that means it could refer items back to the CAO recruitment and appointment subcommittee. Moving on from the executive committee, your governance structure provides that the executive committee reports into council, and council is the ultimate decision maker. Next slide, please. In terms of mandate and authority, so the mandate would be for Madam Clerk, if you don't mind. Uh could I ask uh council members just to try to provide as much undivided attention to the presenter here and avoid sidebar conversations, even in the chair here, it's hard to. It's hard to hear over the conversation that's happening concurrently. The mandate for the subcommittee will be to recommend the executive committee candidates for consideration by counsel for that ultimate appointment of your CAO. And the mandate also includes reporting to the executive committee on a monthly basis. With respect to the authorities, they are outlined on the slide as well as in the proposed bylaw contained in attachment two. I will go through them rather quickly, but I will be sure to have time at the end for questions. So, first, the authority is to direct administration to retain an external recruitment firm with costs to be funded from corporate programs. Create a CAO job profile with the input sought from each member of council. Work with the recruitment firm and administration to conduct that recruitment, including but not limited to establishment of a recruitment appointment strategy, as well as set out those timelines. The authority also includes making the determination that recruitment has not resulted in sufficient or suitable applications and request that additional advertising and recruitment is undertaken. Compile a short list of potential candidates, taking into account the recruitment firm's recommendations and finalize interview questions. Recommend to counsel through the executive committee up to three candidates for an interview. Conduct those interviews in accordance with council's direction, ensuring that all candidates are treated with professionalism. Recommend to council through the executive committee one candidate for appointment of the CAO by council. Prepare and recommend to council for approval via the executive committee, the terms of the CAO employment contract, and lastly organize a council led onboarding and orientation program for the new CAO. Next slide, please. With respect to membership, what is being proposed is in light of the current governance structure within the procedure bylaw and the executive committee. So four members of the executive committee that are to be appointed by council. In addition to those four members, the mayor is proposed to be ex officio. Chair will be appointed by council. The vice chair will be elected by the members of the subcommittee. And council, I am proposing that this subcommittee continue for 60 days following the commencement date of employment of the permanent CAO to allow for some sufficient time to deliver your council led onboarding as well as orientation session. Uh next slide please. I wanted to touch on the rights of non-members, starting with what non-member counselors may do. Any member of council may join the meeting of the subcommittee at any point in time, including closed meetings. They can also take part in the discussions and the debate, including any items discussed in closed meetings. Non-member counselors have the same obligations to held to hold, excuse me, confidential discussions. And I will note that as all council committees under the procedure bylaw, every member of council will receive a copy of the agenda as well as the agenda materials so that you can prepare yourself, you can see what the subcommittee will be discussing, and you will have access to all of those materials. Legislative notice for the subcommittee meetings will also be issued by myself as the city clerk and it will be publicly posted. This is no different than any of the models that we currently have for our council committees. Next, moving on to when not member counselors may not do. And I will share that I have adopted this model from our existing audit committee. So non-member counselors may not place nominations or vote for the vice chair, they will not count towards meeting quorum, they will not vote on agenda items, and they will not exercise the authorities set out in section 7. But to be clear, while they're not exercising the authorities, they may partake in every subcommittee meeting as well as the discussions, and they will have the ability to observe whether it's the interviews or the conduct of the subcommittee meetings. Next slide, please. When it comes to meetings, I am proposing that the subcommittee meet as required to carry out its mandate. Meetings will be called or canceled at the call of the chair, and quorum for the meetings will be three voting members. And again, as I just mentioned, the legislative meeting notices will be provided for all meetings called by the chair. I am proposing quorum to be three members, even though membership is four, and that is again to highlight the significant decision making that is ahead of the executive committee as well as council with respect to this appointment. Next slide, please. We are back to the recommendations. So just in summary, it's to give three readings, it's to appoint the four members, and it is to appoint the chair. So with that, Council, thank you very much. Thank you for putting trust in me to bring you a proposal that you can consider today. And with that, both Mr. Cuff, myself, and City Solicitor Flowen are available to take your questions. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Clerk. I'll go to Councillor Ward, please. Um just to confirm, so it's only members of executive committee that can be a part of this subcommittee, which would include Councillors Chabot, Dollywall, Kelly, Pantasopoulos, Wynus, Ewell, and of course Mayor Farkas ex officio. Would the alternate be valid for that selection as well, which I believe is Councillor Tyres? So the way that the bylaw is currently drafted, and I reviewed it this morning, it is explicit that it is for members. Certainly, an amendment to the bylaw could be proposed today to expand the membership to include the alternate members. And then that would still remain a subcommittee. Just to be clear, so we're we're voting on four members, but we cannot uh I g we you couldn't vote the alternate as one of your selections right now, no. That's correct. So not right now. That would require an amendment following first reading to expand the membership. Membership is set out in attachment four. I'm just going to go there, bear with me for one moment. And it is listed as four members of the executive committee. I cross referenced that with the membership within the procedure bylaw, and it outlines that they are the alternate members. Section eight does not currently include alternate. So should council wish to expand the membership to the alternates of the executive committee, that would require a simple amendment after first reading. Okay. I'm gonna put you on the spot. Do you know who the alternates are? Um yourself, Councillor Tyres, as well as Councillor Jameson as the vice chair of audit. I would put that amendment forward then. Okay, thank you. Okay, that'll I'll acknowledge you following uh first reading, Councillor Ward, and then perhaps we can you can work with clerks on the exact language that that requires. It seems relatively straightforward in assertion though. Okay, uh I see Councillor Benizaltos. Go ahead. Thanks so much uh for the presentation. Just wanted to confirm um ultimately executive committee and all the members can participate would approve the three to go to final interviews and then council would have the final say on on the CAO. So I will perhaps start with um Confirming it will be all of council that will be making the decision. How I have structured the proposal is that decisions will go to council from the subcommittee. So the subcommittee will provide up to three recommendations. First to the executive committee, that will be the first stop. At the executive committee, all members of council may attend. They may all also vote. So at the executive committee meeting, if there is agreement, those up to three recommendations will continue on to council, or perhaps there's an amendment, or it gets referred back to the subcommittee. But ultimately, up to three recommendations are to be made to council for a decision on interviews. Once council makes a decision with respect to the candidates and the interviews, the subcommittee will then go ahead and conduct those interviews. The next decision process will be the subcommittee will then recommend one. And that one recommendation will flow to the executive committee from the executive committee on to council. Um you mentioned the eight counselors that are not on I have a chance, excuse me, to participate. Um uh section seven of the bylaw. And and specifically, really the big one that jumps out to me is not being able to interview. You know, all of us you can participate, you can read minutes, you can go maybe just speak to ways that counselors to can still participate. You know, can they ask questions through the headhunter? Can they guide or will we have a review of the job description? Just sort of walk through how the just to make sure that their voice is heard through that process. Oh, I'm I'm so glad that you asked the question, Councillor Pentazo. So absolutely, this process um is is been envisioned by myself to move council to a decision in a timely matter, but it is not the intent or the function of this process to limit the participation of members of council. So as you've set out um already, Council Pentazo, I'll draw your attention to section seven um sub B right from the P Councillor Pentasopoulos, yes, sorry. So seven B right there, you just raised it. Um The subcommittee will be creating a CAO job profile, but right within the bylaw I have prescribed that it is to be done with input from each member of council. So really that is an opportunity right there for every member of council to contribute to what is that job description, what is it going to look like, what are we going to be advertising? When it comes to other places where members of council can participate, yes, there will be a potential recruiter, but members of council can certainly submit whether it's their interview questions, whether to the recruiter or whether it is to the chair or to the committee members, they are welcome and able to sit in on all the interviews. So while the interviews are prescribed to be conducted by the membership, any member of council can attend them. And if they have questions ahead of time, I would encourage them to liaise with the chair. So I would say there is again input for any member of council that would like to be involved to contribute to that process. Fantastic. And maybe could you end on uh timing? Um you know, assuming this goes through today, maybe just walk us through that hard deadline of December 1st and what's a realistic, and maybe if your colleague, assuming it's a global, if not certainly a national search, what sort of timeline should we be thinking about as a council in Kelgarans? So not as a as a recruiter myself. Um in my opinion, the the runway is short. Um we already have our council schedule that is set. So should a chair be I'm appointed by council today, assuming the bylaw is adopted. I would say the first order of business is for myself to meet with the chair likely this week to start thinking about what the subcommittee schedule look like so that we can align it with all the executive committee meetings. So the next sub next executive committee meeting is June. Might not be possible, but I would say that through June, the subcommittee can work, be prepared for the executive committee in July. Then we're going to get into the summer months. And I'm, you know, I cannot speak for your schedules, but I do assume that some of you might not be available through August, which means September will likely be a very, very busy month for you to conduct the interviews likely into October. But I would say by November, council should be receiving in an ideal world, council by November should be receiving a recommendation. And that drives the critical nature of doing something today, you know, a postponement that you've got stampede and then it comes into July. You move that over. Um, because I think that ultimate goal is to have an overlap in a perfect world that he or she who joins as new CAO would have at least some time with our existing. So wonderful. Thank you so much. Thank you. That's right. And and as well as built in some of that time for the onboarding and orientation, right? I think that that is an important consideration in my in my opinion, so that you have some time. Councillor Kelly, please. Uh thank you, worship. I think Councillor Panasopoulos asked a lot of the questions, but uh that that I was thinking of here. Um Madam Clerk, when I take when I take a maybe I'll ask the question as it relates to the bylaw. My my in my desire uh as a as a Councillor is that as many council members have uh input into this process as possible. I think that the mayor said it earlier that this is the most important decision that we're gonna we're gonna collectively make. Is there anything in the bylaw that would stop the committee selected from soliciting input from counselors uh outside of what has been mandated in the bylaw? No. So if for example we wanted uh counselors to uh provide input in terms of who should be the can uh who should be the uh the type of candidate we're looking for, that would be allowed, Absolutely. I mean right in section seven, um I started with the premise of recognizing it's going to be important for all members of council to start at the beginning with the job profile and the job description. So absolutely, I think that there's going to be opportunities to engage. There will be the opportunity to always engage at the executive committee meeting as well. The bylaw provides that the subcommittee will be reporting on a monthly basis. So that will be a legislated standing item on your agendas, which provides a really good opportunity to connect as well. But there is nothing within the bylaw that would provide or limit any of those opportunities. including recommendations from members of council in terms of what questions should be asked by the Absolutely. So while the ultimate interview questions will be asked by the committee members, there is no prohibition within the bylaw that would restrict any member of council submitting their own questions for consideration, recognizing that it will be the committee who will vote. But most certainly you can solicit input, and counselors would be encouraged to do so under the current framework. and then the last uh uh sort of question sort of uh related to this. Um having been through this process, uh not not for a CAO but for senior leaders before, uh, an interview panel of five members. Is pretty intense. Is there anything in this bylaw that would allow that committee to uh to say only three members uh uh would actually conduct the interview and then two of the of the committee members would effectively uh participate as observers the same way that the rest of council would? So quorum is three. So you can certainly the minimum number that you would require to conduct interviews is three. The bylaw provides that the committee will determine the recruitment strategy and the timelines. So what I would recommend in answer to your question is as the committee meets and as it involves, those would be great decisions for the committee to make, but there is nothing in the bylaw before you that would prohibit you sitting in panels of three to do the interview. Okay, thank you. I I really appreciate answers to the question. It seems to me that you've drafted the bylaw to be as flexible as possible for us as council to make sure that we have as much input as possible from members of council. Those are my questions. Thank you. Thanks. I've jumped in and I'd like to invite uh Mr. Cuff, who's been invited here in support of administration's presentation. To please approach. And uh firstly, sorry, I just want to say thank you so much for making yourself available in support of council. And counsel, I mentioned previously in another meeting that he actually wrote the book book on being a mayor. And he wrote the book on effective searches for senior leadership. And firstly, can I ask you just a very generic question? Do you have any thoughts of us going into this process, stumbles, pitfalls, things you would avoid us to do, do's and don'ts, pros and cons? And what are some of the mistakes that you've seen in your many decades of experience that you think we can avoid? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I appreciate ladies and gentlemen of council the opportunity to be here with you. I appreciate being invited by your senior administration to provide some advice in terms of the process and some of the steps that should be followed. And uh one of the things that I pointed out, I think that all members of council should have a voice in terms of who's hired as your CAO. This is your, in my view, one of the most important decisions you're going to make in four years. Uh it's important because the CAO is recognized in the Municipal Government Act as your chief policy advisor. That means the CAO has the right to weigh in on every recommendation coming to council. The CAO has not only a major policy role in terms of council, but also driving the administration and the responsiveness of your administration is also a critical aspect. In terms of uh the process, it seems to me that all members of council should have some degree of input in terms of who are you looking for. So that before actual faces and candidates show up on a recruiter's list, uh, council members should be identifying what are some of the key skill sets and attributes that you expect to see and quote the ideal candidate, so that hopefully whoever the recruiter is able to identify through headhunting and a variety of other mechanisms that uh the right person will show up as a result of a cross Canada search process. Uh in my opinion, you know, the the CAE CAO recruitment pool is uh less than it has been in previous years. Uh there's a variety of reasons for that. Um most of you read up on municipal issues and would know some of that. Uh but the recruitment pool is not large. The recruitment pool, by the way, has been expanded because uh people are now reaching into the ranks of assistant deputy ministers and deputy ministers across Canada uh is uh one example. Uh for example, the current CAO of Summerland BC is a former ADM in the Alberta government. I'm aware of that one because I had some role in it, but there are people that can fit from other levels of government. I would argue that there are people that wouldn't fit based on their style of operating. Uh municipal government very much uh hardened fast uh this is the rules of the game, this is how we operate, and it's very quick in comparison to Deputy Minister EDM roles. I think it's important that the recruiter hear from you. I think it I mean the ideal is to have 15 members of council put their hand up when the CAO is finally being introduced to council. Uh as the recommended candidate. Um, you know, nothing worse than starting your job and you've got eight in favor and seven opposed, um, because you know you're inevitably going to be making recommendations that not everybody's going to agree with. So you want to have as much buy in as possible. I think your clerk's office and solicitor's office have done a good job of broadening that to make sure of it. I think having a search committee of five is not. Overly large. Um, I remember sitting through a process with I think Eventon at one time that had all members of council uh sitting at the table. Uh I mean if you do that, you've got to have some mechanism of narrowing down how do you conduct an interview with everybody there. That becomes a lot more burdensome than you would think. So doing this process and getting to the top three candidates, I think makes a whole lot of sense based on the fact that you are the folks that are going to be identifying who those top three candidates are, at least in terms of job specs and job profiles. So I think it does give council quite a bit of input, and I would argue that that input is warranted. This is going to have a huge impact on all of you, I think, over a four year term. And hopefully you find somebody that's here for two or three terms in a row and is a high caliber individual that's respected not only by your administration, but respected by a majority of council. And I've also pointed out that it's critical this person worked well with the Office of Mayor. Um, you know, I mean, I've seen situations. I wrote the book on the mayor, and I just wrote the book on the CAO. You know, they've seen situations where this has gone sideways just on the basis of the fact that uh the mayor was out of step with the CAO, and quite frankly, it just simply doesn't work. So you're far better off having somebody that's in step with mayor and council, and that would presume that all of you have had a chance to be part of the decision making. Then on the process for that decision making, what how do you feel about how Clerk Martin has proposed the search committee, the subcommittee, the size and the composition of it? Yeah, I think it makes good sense. I think having a a smaller committee, which is a committee of five, makes good sense. Uh i i i i if because holidays might interrupt that you at least have got a minimum of three at the table. Uh that to me is a good representation. Hopefully, all of these processes are guided by the input that's been sought by members of council so you know what it is you're targeting and looking for. I think that process, as uh Clerk Martin pointed out, is uh is a decent process and one that we should should be workable. What we don't know, of course, is all of the nuances involved in recruitment, and there are a lot of them. Uh all of the challenges that are involved. And let me just highlight one other thing that I haven't heard mentioned so far in the discussion, and that's confidentiality. This is a high-profile, high-level appointment that can absolutely go sideways and cause people the loss of a career that they built up over a quite a period of time. So I think whatever you go through, whatever process, uh everyone hopefully will maintain a cloak of uh confidentiality on the candidates, uh, knowing that uh the last thing anybody wants to hear at an FCM conference or Albert Immunity says, gee, your your CAO's applied for our job. Um, yeah, th some of those words should never be uttered or heard. What leadership qualities do you think differentiate between an average city manager and a strong city manager of a large growing city like Calgary? You know, to use a biblical adage, there's uh the one about iron sharpening iron. I think that makes a lot of sense. I think you've if you've got a strong CAO that's quite determined, is uh is a quality leader, is somebody that can say yes and no and mean it, and as somebody that can advise counsel very directly, and at the same time understands that counsel is the deciding body. The mayor represents council, and so the relationship should be one of respect. Uh, there shouldn't be one of uh uh I'm I'm there to simply uh do your will. I think you've got to preface that by saying, what's the advice of? And you've got to have a CAO that's broadly based, somebody that understands good public governance, somebody that understands quality decision making, and somebody that when the going gets tough can still stand up and say, This is happening on my watch. I'm responsible, I'm the go to person, you've got any issues with my senior management, uh, you deal with me, and I'll make sure we make corrections. That to me is a good CAO. Somebody that is too easily moved to me is not what you're looking for. At the end of the day, it's council that can move. The CAO should be absolutely firmly committed to good administrative principles, that at the end of the day, they realize this is what makes good good administrative sense. The political side of it comes from you. What's the best choice on the residents of Calgary? That's enough for the CAO to decide that's yours. And I would argue that that's the CO waits until there's a final decision by counsel, and then that person acts. And uh hopefully that's the kind of style that you get. As somebody that is firm, somebody that's determined, somebody that's committed to public service, somebody that understands the no notion of public participation, all of that, but at the end of the day is highly respectful of counsel. That when counsel says jump, the question is how high. So you're you've got somebody that can move with counsel. And of course, the challenge is council has changed from term to term quite dramatically at times. And you've got to have somebody that is still there because they're solid administratively. It's they're highly respected administratively. They aren't part of the political composition. How long do you think it should take a new city manager to be fully effective in the role? Uh that's another good question. I would say probably, you know, they're very quick at getting up and running. I would think you can start to see effectiveness in the first three months. I would say probably six months before you know, you say to yourself, yeah, that's our city manager, that's our CAO, that's the person that we chose, and we're delighted to be introducing that person to the Chamber of Commerce or who else, uh, because you're confident that they've got their act together. This is a major corporation. Uh, you don't learn it overnight, you don't understand the nuances overnight. It differs from every organization across Canada, it differs from every public sector organization. I've worked for a lot of those. Uh I mean a major difference is w one word and it's called politics. Uh you can have a good CAO of a or CEO of a Crown Corporation that would find this uh amazingly different, and yet they've run the Alberta Gaming and Liquor Commission or whoever, and they're now dealing with a council that is composed of people that come at it with a very set particular uh political perspective that they may never have heard before, and they're now having to deal with that. So, CAO that understands public governance, can you bring somebody from the private sector? The answer is yes. It's more of a challenge. I've just been through this with uh Wood Buffalo formed a call at Fort McMurray, where they hired somebody out of the private sector. They had me spend time with that person, in fact, a whole day with that individual and their mayor, talking to the two of them about what this means coming into the public sector, out of the private sector. It's a transition. It's not impossible, but it's a transition. And your point about confidentiality is well taken. That said, how do you think you would approach providing regular updates given that this is a very high profile individual for both stakeholders in the public, but also city staff as well? Yeah, I would uh I'm very respectful city staff. You might have one or two senior level candidates that want to apply, they should be given the same equal consideration as an external candidate. They should go through the same processes. Uh I think in terms of confidentiality, I would update council regularly so you're all on the same page with this decision. You know how it's being progressed, and I would restrain uh access to the names of candidates until you're prepared to present them along with their background. So whatever the process is with your recruiter, uh I would leave it to that person to recommend forward the name and the background and so on, so that you can see that yes, that matches up with what we're looking for. Is that person likely to meet all of your criteria? I'm not sure because I don't know the different criteria around this table. Uh and it's bound to be fairly varied, I would think. Uh, you're still gonna have to zero in on what's absolutely critical game breakers as opposed to nice to have and so on. And then talk and then and then r restrain your comment until the very end when you know you've got your first class, hopefully, CAO. Thank you, sir. So so appreciate you being here. We'll move through the queue to Councillor Johnston, please. Thank you, Mr. Cuff. Um You mentioned a couple times. Oh, actually, sorry. Have you been involved in um helping any City of Calgary CEOs in the past get hired? Uh the answer to that is no. Okay. Have I met any of them? The answer would be yes. Am I involved with any of them? No, including the incumbent. Okay. You mentioned uh and actually a couple other uh people here have mentioned that it's important this decision is made by entire council, right? And we had an opportunity at the start of uh well just based on how our executive committee has been delegated the role of CEO, reviews, hiring, and and a lot of the due diligence regarding that. Um Would you think it would be fair that we were to pick the recruitment of the four members from the entire group, or should we have it down to a select few of the seven that are on the committee? And how common is that to only be able to pick from half of the council that would be on that committee? You know, I would probably preface my answer by saying that there are a number of issues on any council's term that all of you would like to be equally involved in. Uh whatever processes you've established, uh your executive committee is certainly a process that can be well utilized. And if the people on it are respected, then you say, yeah, it makes sense that out of those seven members we pick four who are going to be involved in the recruitment. You know, if you've got confidence in your colleagues, they all started off on the same basis, they're all trying to get to the same answer with regard to quality service for the city of Calgary. Uh I think you there there has to be some degree of tr common mutual trust involved. Uh would they vote the same way you would on a particular candidate? I'm not sure, but at the end of the day you're trying to find out who are the top three quality candidates that all of us are going to interview. So I I would be trusting that we're going to get to the top three candidates at the end of the day, then we'll interview and then we'll decide as a council. Right, and such a high-level decision. I mean, we all went through election process. We're all hired by the people. And something this large, I feel it should be opened up to all council members to have that opportunity to represent the people that hired us. Um and I just feel narrowing it down really eliminates part of that city's uh voice in this. Yeah, it becomes one of sort of what makes good sense in terms of decision making. And a committee of 15 is typically not a recognized model for uh quality decision making on a significant one item issue. It is in terms of making the final decision, in terms of the process to get you there. I would argue that the process is better handled by a smaller group. Your s your subcommittee of four would make uh or five would make quality sense with the mayor present. Um it's a matter of trust at the end of the day. You're trying to get in your case, trying to get fifteen people through five voices to recommend three quality candidates that all of us will have. our input into. So no one person's got the leg up compared to anybody else in terms of the final decision making. No, sorry, the the the four members of this committee will be selected from seven people, not from 15. Yeah. No, I understand that, but you've chosen the seven uh as your executive committee. Out of that seven, four are chosen to be a part of this particular process. So you should you think we should keep it at the seven members that are selected. Well, I would recommend that the five members of four plus the mayor would make good sense as your subcommittee. The seven members of your executive committee are chosen by council. Um they would have next crack at the recommendations as s as they forward it to the all of members of council. I think the process, Councillor Actually makes pretty good sense. You're gonna end up with some vr good quality candidates. Uh there's not a whole truckload of those across Canada, but there are good quality people. You'll end up seeing some people that might surprise you. On the other hand, um at the end of the day, y I have no question in my mind that all three people that you see as a as a full council would be quality people. Okay, I appreciate your expertise. Thank you. All right, so anybody else on this? Okay. Seeing none, uh sir, Councillor Kelly. Yeah. Did you want to move the item? I would jump in for a question for Councillor or for Mr. Cuff, actually, if you don't Yeah, go ahead. know. It's great to see you again. Thank you for so much. I I I've said this a few times to different members of council, but there's one piece of advice that you gave us during the orientation that sticks with me still to this day, and I think about it. I think just about every week. So I I appreciate you sharing your your uh expertise here with us uh today. Um uh sort of building on a question that Councillor Johnston uh led with there. Um I'm curious how many CAO searches you've been part of, either as a candidate or as a uh on a selection committee or something like that. Yeah, that's a good question. I've been involved in directly guiding at minimum 30. I've been involved in a whole bunch of others. I get called regularly by recruitment firms who run names by me as a third party to say, George G., what do you know about these people on my recommended short list? I'm going to council next week. Is there any reason why I shouldn't take one? So they're never asking me to endorse a particular candidate, which I would never do, by the way. And I never have as a recruitment firm. I never, in my first 20 years of consulting, I never recommended a single candidate. I always said to council, this is your marriage, not mine. You decide who's the right partner. Um, so I I've been involved in advising a whole number of other councils beside the ones that were direct clients of mine. And it doesn't surprise it it always amazes me the the breadth of Canada and the number of people that call and say, Who do you know? ranging from Halifax to Victoria. And I've had a hand, albeit behind the scenes in many cases, in a number of those. So um have they followed my advice? Not necessarily. Some have because they appreciate the fact that I've been involved in disasters where counsel and management have absolutely gone sideways. I prefer that doesn't happen, but sometimes it does. And so they want to know what do we do to stay out of the glue. And that's often the question is around process and around caliber of candidate and around the relationship between mayor, counselors, candidate. All of that is a really careful balance. Otherwise, you go sideways with the CAO and the process is messy. So I've been involved in a number of them. I've referenced some of that in my latest book, and I've continued to get called as recently as within the last three or four days by a recruitment firm doing a recruitment uh here in Alberta. I I appreciate you being here with us today to to share your your uh Your expertise, uh your experience. Um I recognize the fact that I mean uh the mayor asked a lot of really good questions over the future, but I recognize the fact that uh I don't know what I don't know yet. Uh if we if we take a look around uh around the council table, uh we don't have a huge amount of experience as counselors around this particular horseshoe uh um uh grand total when we when we add when we add it up. Uh almost certainly we're gonna end up with the majority of this committee with uh uh with some relatively new uh um council members on there. Um Have you experienced that before and in a selection committee? And uh uh what would be your advice to a group like that? You know, I think the beauty that you have, right regardless of whether you're brand like I would argue that every council is new. And I would argue all you need is to have one new member of council, you've got a brand new set of relationships that to develop. And so you've got a whole set of new relationships to develop. You've got people that have been around for a while that were of may have gone through one or two orientations. I've I've dealt with councils where the person has gone through six orientations, so six terms, and are still there to learn. I've had that conversation. I think if you've got people at this table that are all duly elected, you r you respect that fact, respect that they come out of different perspectives when they come to a council table, but you're all striving to find who's the best person to lead us administratively. This person's gonna make us all look good. This person's gonna provide good quality administrative advice. And I said to counsels before, and I may have said it in the orientation, a a good CAO which probably has their recommendations approved seven times out of ten. Uh, you know, we we pay baseball players that bat 350, we pay them millions of dollars, which is a bit more than you're paying your CAO. Uh, and they get a 350. Th the CAOs are good at seven times out of ten. There's a 700 batting average. Are they wrong the next three times out of ten? The answer is no. They've given you good administrative advice. It's simply that politically you've gone a different direction. And if you've got the right CAO, they understand that. They understand that politically you can make a choice that they don't necessarily agree with, but that their job the next day is to make it work, to get at it. They know that they're not going to change their administrative advice to you. You've decided to bypass that and go with the political decision. CAO's job is to get on with it. And that a good CAO will do that for you. So you're looking for somebody that has But fairly thick skin. The ability to provide advice, stand behind the advice, guide the administration, and the day after a council meeting is to say, our advice was not accepted, let's move on with the decision. Thank you. I appreciate that. I think the mayor earlier asked about some excellent questions in terms of CAO selection. For me, right now, I'm a little bit more focused on making sure that uh uh um council is fully supported in making the decision. Because I recognize the fact that as as lovely as our as our administrative colleagues are, um it's not necessarily appropriate for them to play some roles within within this committee. Can you maybe just speak to what what do you see in terms of uh obviously a recruitment firm, but what do you what do you see in terms of some of the other roles, some of the other support that uh that you would recommend to uh uh a selection committee? Probably my values that have been around the park, as you can tell a few days, and so I've seen what works and what doesn't work. I can talk to your colleagues on council with regard to good process, with regard to you need to watch out for the following landmines that are involved in this process. Advice to your recruitment firm, regardless of how experienced, uh, I would be prepared to give them some advice in terms of the process. My advice largely is going to go through your subcommittee. They'll decide and direct whether or not that makes sense to them. I think I add some value, but quite frankly, at the end of the day, if you or your subcommittee aren't sure of that, don't think so, then I'm fine. Thank you very much. Uh we'll move on. Uh but you'd be willing to play that role if we were looking for some ongoing advice. You we could we could call you up any time, sort of thing. Yes. Yeah. Thank you very much. I think those are my questions, your worship. Thank you. Councillor Schmidt, please. Perhaps for. For Clerk Martin, just to for clarity around sort of the ability of the subcommittee to If they so choose, include all members of council and say, for example, 7 sub B, create a chief administrative officer job profile with input sought from each member, with members being defined as part of the subcommittee. If that committee so chooses, with the all the confidentiality in place. Would they have the ability to ask for input from all members of council about the job description just so that any concerns around their ability to be as inclusive as they like is still there despite the wording of the bylaw? I think yes, so the the idea is that at any stage of the process, all members of council will have an opportunity to be included and to participate. Looking at the bylaw now. I think members should not be highlighted. It should not be in italics, right? Because that wasn't the intent. So I think that's just the drafting error that you might have picked up. Because the intent was that any member of council has an opportunity and has a voice to be able to contribute, whether that is being present at the committee and offering their opinion through the discussions, or whether that is submitting their questions or their suggestions outside of that process. Okay, perfect. That's um I think that that's a great way to do this, and I would just uh hope and expect that the members of the subcommittee would be open to doing so to just allow the the process to include all of us should we all choose to make that input. But uh I appreciate that answer. Thank you. Thank you. Uh Deputy Mayor Shabot, please. Mr. Cuff, uh, thanks for being here. Um I think based on what I heard you say in regard to um moving forward with setting the parameters around the type of person that we're looking for, that's where you think would be the the greatest potential for members of council to get engaged in the process would be in determining the terms of reference, i.e., what kind of person are we looking for to lead our city. Um it's and I'm trying to I'm trying to rationalize how to move forward beyond that when it comes down to the interview process because to your point I think having 15 members of council present during the interview process could be rather challenging to manage. Yeah, I think just to at least in part respond, uh it seems to me that members of councils, the first great opportunity for impacting this process and impacting who you eventually decide to hire as your CAO is when you review the, when the committee gets to you the position profile, which exists now and should be updated, at least signed off as a 2026 and beyond position description. And then, secondly, a personal profile that says here's the kind of person we're looking for to fill these roles. And so I think council has those two involvements right out of the get right out of the gate. in terms of trying to describe if the recruitment firm wants to look at themselves and say, did we do a good job, which every recruitment firm does, uh they would be able to say, this is the specs we were given as provided by our client. And our client is the city council as represented by your subcommittee. So they would want to make sure that they've heard from you that time. And then when you get to the end of the day, your question is, does the current recommended candidate live up to the key components of what we were looking for, or did we have to waive certain components based on having got this particular person versus that? That becomes then council's question to themselves is did we find the right person? And your your descriptors can vary right around the park. I mean, you can have somebody that's uh a very liberal minded member of council, you can have somebody very conservative minded member of council and everything in between, and you're trying to say and describe what would be the best person that would serve our community. So I think that's your initial point of contact. And um having gone through this process uh with uh recruiting of uh individuals in the past, um some of the things that we also established in uh in advance of doing interviews is um a series of questions that that we would then be asking. Yeah. And then establishing those sort of questions might best be dealt with by the group as a whole, but not necessarily be included in the in the actual action asking of those questions. I I just think it would be challenging to try and manage that many people, especially if somebody asks a question and didn't actually somebody else didn't actually listen to the answer and then subsequently asks the same question over again. Yep. Just see Yeah. I I think the value of that is that i if I remember a council and I have one particular key issue that I want to make sure gets across to my committee, I'd make sure I frame that as a what I call a good governance question, which means that's somewhat open ended. It allows for a whole variety of answers, but you're trying to get at the core of the meaning of it. If you're good at writing out a question, you can guide a whole lot of discussion. And I think uh that's where Councillor can weigh in initially and say, these are the kind of questions that I want I would like to see added onto your list. Uh, you know, you don't want sort of a way off in the left field, uh, one question from one Councillor that nobody else thinks is a valid response or valid question. On the other hand, you can maybe amalgamate those into the whole series of questions. No firm is going to want to leave good questions off on the table. They want to ask what are the top ten questions that this candidate is expected to answer? And they want to make those relatively difficult, to be quite candid. Yeah and uh to be honest, um uh what I've experienced in the past is sometimes you ask a question and you get an answer, but it's not what what Yeah. really relative to what you asked. And sometimes it may be satisfactory to the person asking the question, but one of the other panel members might go, you know what, I appreciate the response that you gave, but but I was hoping to hear more about this. Yes. And so it's not really Asking the same question twice, but it trying to manage that amongst 15 members of council is where I'd be challenged, which is why I'm asking the question around the you know, from a governance perspective, the best path forward to maximize on council's input as well as um finding efficiencies in the process. And I would defer some of that to your recruitment firm who presumably will have quite a bit of relevant experience going through that process. In terms of the chair of the committee, I think the chair of the committee is going to be on top of this from the first page onward and is going to be looking at their members, their colleagues in council to say what kinds of questions would my colleagues want to see asked. You know, you're not defining the answer, you're trying to make sure that we've covered all of you. And a and a good panel will have done that. They'll have said, We wanna make sure that all of our c council colleagues can buy into this process so that you're not complaining at the end of the day that your voice wasn't heard. So to me a a g a good panel will have picked up on that and will have asked those kinds of questions. Excellent. Thank you for your answers. No further questions for me. All right, colleagues. Uh, I believe we've exhausted the queue. Can I have a mover and seconder for the item? Moved by Councillor Kelly. Seconded by uh Deputy Mayor Shabot. All right, to introduce the item. Councillor. Yeah, wasn't prepared for that, but uh I think it's fair. I think that we as uh members of council have been uh sort of aware that we've been heading in this direction here for uh uh a little bit of time. And so um as as mentioned by uh both our presenter and and the mayor, this is probably the most important decision that we're going to make. Uh and so I am very thankful to uh Clerk Martin for putting together a bylaw here for us to be able to debate today and a good process that fits within the larger structure that we um uh that we've established from our from our governance. Um I mean, maybe I don't know if it's debate, but uh as I said earlier, I I I think it's important that no matter What the bylaw says, no matter who our members of this committee are, that we uh uh make sure that all members of council have a voice in this process, because as Mr. Cuff said, uh uh this will be the most important decision we make. And at the end of the day, we want to get to a point where there's uh ideally 15 hands that go up on uh at the end there. So uh that's the end of the process. We're right now here today at the beginning of the process, and so um I'm very happy to move this because I think this bylaw is uh uh helps us uh uh set us up sets us up very well to be able to have a a a good, expedient, uh thoughtful process in the selection of our next CAO. Thank you for introducing that. I'm gonna go to Councillor Ward. I believe to satisfy the intent of allowing the alternates on the executive committee to be eligible to serve. Um Mr. Clerk, I believe that we would need an amendment to this recommendation and then a correspondent corresponding amending uh amendment to the bylaw after first reading, right? So two amendments? That's correct. That's correct, Mayor. In order to uh impact the composition of the committee. Okay. So let's go to uh Councillor ward and then I believe it's just the insertion of and alternate following the words appoint for members of the executive committee. Is that correct? Mayor Farkas, yes, correct, but we just for the purposes of aligning the language in the amendment with the language in the bylaw, we recommend alternative members of the executive committee rather than or alternates, just to be more specific. Good. I'm just gonna go to Councillor ward here and then uh we'll workshop this and make sure it's uh satisfactory for him. Yes, just to yeah, well obviously we have to make two changes to both the bylaw and to the mo motion itself. So this would be starting with the bylaw, I believe. Is that correct, clerks? Yeah. Um excuse me. No, this is the recommendation. Starting with the recommendations for the report, yes. Yeah, so simply just adding um members of executive committee as well as alternates. That is all that is needed. And that's all? Yeah, so colleagues, you you can just see on the screen it reads now appoint four members of the executive committee or alternative members of the executive committee to serve on the CAO recruitment and appointment subcommittee. All right, so that's my move by Councillor Ward. Um second by Councillor or Deputy Mayor Chabot. Any further debate or discussion on this? No, I thanks for bringing this forward, Councillor Ward. I think it makes a lot of sense. Okay. Any further debate? Over to you to close. Yep. Close. Let's engage the e vote on that, please, uh, Mr. Clerk. Councillor Yule, your vote, please. Thank you. And Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Sorry, Mayor. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried. Uh 14 to 1 with Councillor Kelly opposed. Can I can I recast my ballot? I apologize. I that was a complete error on my part. I'm so sorry. I I fully I fully meant to vote in favor. So uh colleagues, uh it would not change the outcome of the vote. So can I have unanimous consent to allow Councillor Kelly to change his vote? Okay. Hearing none opposed, uh Councillor Kelly, you have changed your vote to be in favor. Yes, and thank you, and I'm so sorry. It's been a long meeting, I think. All right. Uh any further debate on this as amended? Uh I will just jump in. I want to say uh thank you, Madam Clerk, for for your incredible support through this and And again, just thank you for far beyond what is in front of us today. I know you've been of great support to the executive committee as we've uh uh stick the landing on uh our CO transition. I really appreciate the work that you've put into that uh personally. It's been some very long meetings and uh even on the fly, capturing the intent of executive committee. I know it's been challenging uh behind the scenes. Uh thank you, uh uh Mr. Cuff as well for being available uh to be able to support us through this journey and I think uh leaning on your wisdom, I think will allow us to avoid some of the mistakes and pitfalls that uh previous councils have uh been through. And I was reminded of what uh Deputy Mayor Chabot told me, uh I believe that it was attributed to Councillor Damong, where he said there's no new questions, only new counselors. So the fact that we can benefit from from your many many decades of experience, definitely appreciative. Uh Vice Chair Kelly as well. Councillor Kelly, thanks for your support on executive committee and the work that you've done uh to be able to get us to to this point. And Just appreciate your assistance behind the scenes to help uh paper all these uh materials. So with that, uh I'm gonna go back to you, Councillor Kelly, to close on this. And and again, just to repeat, uh if this were to pass and we're to go to the readings, I'll give one reading only to the proposed bylaw. Then I'll be going back to Ward, Councillor Ward, to uh ensure that the amendment to the uh uh bylaw is made, matching the intent for the alternates. So back to you, uh Councillor Kelly. Uh again, thank you, members of Councillor, for allowing me there to to switch that. Uh nope, uh, this is great. Thank you so much. It was a lot of work to be able to get us here today. Uh happy to move it on to the next step. Closed. Okay, madam clerk, let's uh or rather Mr. Clerk. Let's say let's engage the e-vote, please. Thank you. Mayor, uh, for the purpose of um getting the bylaw in place prior to the appointments of members, uh, we recommend that uh recommendation number one be called first uh and then the Yeah, it makes sense. Let's amend the the bylaw first. If uh just divide the I don't think it'll be an issue, but in the event that perhaps the bylaw was not amended, we want to make sure it's congruent with the appointment direction. Okay. Okay, so let's uh call one separately and we'll do we'll dispense with one first. it'll just take us a moment to prepare that. Oh there we go. It's on. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Although it's a Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the uh motion has carried 14 to 1 with Councillor Johnston opposed. Actually. Oh my gosh. Uh Mr. Clerk, would you mind bailing me out and just uh reading to me the exact name of the bylaw? I know it's in my it's it's uh by proposed by Lon 19M 2026. could you repeat that one more time? Sure, it's bylaw 19M 2026. All right. First reading of bylaw 19M 2026. Are we agreed? Any opposed? Councillor Johnston is opposed, and that is carried. I will go now to you, Councillor Ward, for a uh amendment on bylaw 19M 2026. Yeah, so very simply this just matches up the bylaw amendment that we just made into the main motion to include the alternate members of executive committee. To be selected for this subcommittee, and that's all just to align everything. Okay, that's been second by uh Deputy Mayor Chabot. Um on this any debate? Just quickly, uh Councillor Kelly. we didn't actually vote on items two and three, which was making this change. So uh the the two and three is simply to to make the appointment. Uh this uh this uh bylaw is just to establish the the the committee. So Got it. Thank you very much. we're we're we're establishing the committee, then we'll be filling the committee. Okay. Anyone else on this? All right. Uh I will go to you to close on the amendment, uh Council Work. Closed. All right. Uh I was seconded by Deputy Mayor Chabot. All right, uh on that, let's engage the e vote on the amendment to bylaw 19M 2026. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. All right. Second reading. Sorry, Mr. Clerk. Yeah, Mayor, we can proceed with the second and third readings of the bylaw at this time. Um my recommendation would be that this item be postponed to the call of the chair for us to be able to print the corrected bylaw and so that it can be signed prior to the appointments of the members of council to the committee. So is your preference for us to postpone right now? No, proceed with second third reading and then after uh and authorization for third reading of course. Uh and then after that postpone the item to the call of the chair and we'll prepare get the bylaw printed with the amendments incorporated into it. Sign off and then when it the bylaw will be in place prior to the appointment. Okay. Sounds good. Yeah, we'll do that. Second reading of bylaw 19M. Sorry, uh Councillor Johnson? Are you able to repeat what he said? I just couldn't hear it. Okay. So uh we what we'll do is we're going to conclude the second third and second reading, the authorization for the third reading and the third reading of bylaw as amended. And then following uh that we need to postpone this item in order to allow a new version of the bylaw to be printed and uh executed in force. Uh when the bylaws are passed, I have to sign them. So we can't actually do an appointment prior to the bylaw being enforced. So there's just a slight administrative hiccup here where we need the opportunity to print it, me to sign it before we can actually go into the election of candidates to be able uh to make the appointment. And sorry, that would be today. Yep. As quick as possible. Yep. Understood? Okay. All right. All right, second reading of bylaw 19M 2026 as amended. All in favor? Any opposed? Okay, seeing none, that is carried. Seeking authorization for third reading of bylaw 19M 2026 as amended. All in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that is carried unanimously. Now third reading of bylaw 19M 2026 as amended. All in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that is carried. All right, so we've uh given third reading to bylaw 19M 2026. We need a few moments here to to get that printed. And once it's printed, I will sign the bylaw. Then we have the ability to actually make the appointments to it, but we don't until it's printed and signed. Given that, uh uh Mr. Clerk, we probably need a motion to postpone this to the call of the chair. We do, Mayor and we'll just bring that up on the screen uh moment here go. There it is on the screen. Okay, could I please have a motion to postpone this item to the call of the chair? Moved by Councillor Kelly, uh seconded by uh Councillor Jameson. On that, all in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that is carried. That's been postponed, which means that we're now back on the local area plan uh notice of motion. And I believe uh if you're with us online, Councillor Daliwa, I believe that you are the last one in the queue for the local area plan uh notice of motion. Thanks, Mair. I'll um I'll rescind that. I have some answers uh from yet since yesterday. Thank you. Okay. Uh I will jump in then. I think it's I it's a bit jogging for us to to jump between the bunch of different conversations. I believe that. Where we left off was a line of inquiry from uh uh Deputy Mayor Chabot about what the potential budgetary impacts may be. I know that there was uh uh email as well, very helpful, distributed by Councillor Kelly on the break. Perhaps if uh Jim Hamilton, if you'll mind just uh repeating or restating where we were at last night on again, it's not just the budgetary ask here, but if we are to undertake uh a sophisticated process, there's timeline constraints and there's significant costs associated. So If you don't mind maybe just repeating uh a version of the answer that uh uh Deputy Marchobo asked. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. So the the direction in the notice of motion is to create three is to undertake three new local area plans, which means three new local area plan teams. And so on an annual basis, that cost would be a total of four million dollars, three million in tax annually, and so there would need to be an ask in November's budget for three million in our base, and then the other million is going to come from PDS fees, planning and development services fee revenue. Okay. All right, I might come back, but I'm gonna go to Councillor Schmidt, please. We're this has been moved, so we're in debate now, right? As well. Okay, perfect. I just want to make sure. Um I I appreciate the sentiment and the purpose behind this. The one issue I have right now is that the way our public hearings have been going is that we are often voting no to LAP compliant. Uh items. So what that tells me is that there is an issue that this council is finding with how LAPs are currently functioning, and I think we need to get to the root of what that issue is before we begin relying on the use of more LAPs. So I I think, given the clarification from Councillor Kelly and from administration, that this would be simply starting the process of seeing if we want to include this in budget, is is less concerning. But that if there are some changes that happen before budget around how we approach LAPs, then I could see myself supporting the addition of these three new LAPs. But if we are not addressing those issues before the decision of budget comes, then I just don't see the purpose of approving more LAPs when they don't seem to be working in their current form, since it's really a toss-up for us whether or not we will rely on those LAPs to make our decisions. And that the purpose of them is to give clarity to the public and to the applicants that come here. And without that clarity, then it seems like we are going through an exercise of doing all this work and then deciding not to follow this work. Now, of course, many of them would be created and implemented in a time that this council might not look the same because of the amount of time they take. However, I think it's still important for us to address those fundamental issues before we spend a bunch of money doing something that it seems we don't even actually like at this point. So that's where I'm at now, and I'll leave it there. Uh Councillor Johnston, please. Um, sorry, uh GM Hamilton, you're in charge of the LAPs, right? Um are they refined at all? Like during the process or if we start a new LAP, do you guys do internal changes on them to make them more efficient, faster, um less expensive? Like, are they constantly being refined? Through the chair to Councillor Johnson, yes they are, and I'll turn it over to Director Goldstein to maybe walk you through what that looks like. Hi, Councillor Johnson. The local area plans are under the community planning portfolio under GM Hamilton's. And when we started the program in 2018, it was the pilot under North Hill. And at the time, the council directed us to come back every year and present lessons learned and changes that we were going to make for the next generation of LAPs. And so we've been doing that every year since 2018 to say, you know, we've heard community feedback that this part of the LAP is too fast as an example. And so we actually did add time to the local area plan program, the overall engagement, because community feedback said certain parts were too fast, and then other places of improvements. So the program is constantly being improved. The um around efficiencies. So the way the program works is that we use a distinct team of planners and engineers per plan, but then we use shared services like engagement, communications, legal support, creative services. So the people that actually produce the LAPs, they're shared amongst all the LAPs instead of having like a dedicated person for each one. And that's how we've been trying to find efficiencies inside the program. Right. Um, do you guys find it frustrating when we overturn LAP compliant? Like I guess I'm asking for your opinion on it, but it it does feel like it does happen a lot where we'll have a a plan set out and then comes a council and we do go against a recommendation from the LAP. So the planning department will use the plans before them to evaluate the applications. So when we come forward with either a refusal or an approval, it's not because like we just don't like it. It's literally because it's compliant or not compliant with the plan. And so when we come forward, I mean it's council's purview if they hear from the public through the public hearing that there may be other considerations and then they rule against it. But administration will always bring forward their best professional recommendation that's based off of the approved plans that are in place. And the local area plans, in theory, are the most up to date, newest plans that should represent you know the growth or the areas of growth that are happening inside communities. Councillor Johnson, if I may, I think for the public and for the the building industry or anyone who's applying for an applicate or a proposal, land use development permit, when decisions are made. By counsel or other in conflict with the approved policy, then that can be frustrating. It can create uncertainty. Right. And so I guess what I'm getting to is us fast tracking or even continuing with any LAPs. You know, we're we went from one set of counselors to a new set of counselors, which might have different visions or were hired for different reasons than maybe previous councils. And my fear is that we fast track this and then just have a bunch of these things overturned. Um and I just wonder if there's a way to defer this. To ensure that we get it right. And part of that might even be, and you guys have been doing a really good job with meeting with with council, uh, I would say one-on-one and figuring out what the needs and wants of each community and their neighborhoods. Um, but I just wonder like with that change in council and potential a little bit of ideology change and direction, that it wouldn't hurt to meet with again more community partners, including counselors, on what they want in their neighborhood to ensure that less is overturned going forward. So the community vision that's outlined in any local area plan is not authored by my planning department. It is authored by the community. And so where we engage with communities, the balance so that where places to grow versus not places to grow. That is derived by the community feedback that's happening during like during that three year engagement process. It used to be 18 months. We made it up to 22 months because we heard feedback. We've now made it up to 28 months of and additional feedback because community said, you know, 18 months was way too fast. We needed to go a little bit slower. Are you guys going to incorporate some of the KPMG survey engagement Yeah. into how you do this? Yeah, so I took because I am so deeply invested in this, I took a really deep dive into the KPMG recommendations. And actually, inside that report, it cites the local area plans as one of the good examples of making sure that the program has accommodated changes over time to the way communities want to be engaged. So that report is not telling us how to engage, it's saying these are the things you need to produce to engage, like what you did, what we heard, making sure all of those things are transparent and on the website. And so we would, of course, continue to use those foundations as well. Okay, thank you. And I guess my biggest fear is that we rush something and make similar decisions to previous councils instead of ensuring that we get it right or as right as possible. Um and so it's it's a lot of money and it it's it's a lot um for a decision on potentially something that could be, I don't know, messy down the road, but I will reserve my thoughts until we vote. Thank you. Thank you, colleagues. Uh I was asked why I allowed Councillor Johnston a second opportunity uh for debate. Uh we were not, I think, at our best after 12 hours last night. Um just as a courtesy, I'm allowing a second opportunity here. It's not the norm, but if you don't like that, you can challenge me. Sorry, coin of privilege. Uh Yeah, Councillor Jameson? Yeah. do we not usually allow Sorry. Yeah. Jameson Johnson? Nope. I made an exception to allow you a second opportunity, Councillor Johnson. And I will stand by that decision unless you want to challenge the rule of the city. No, I'm just I'm just questioning Okay, I'm gonna go over to Councillor Jameson, please. I just want to finish my question really quick here. Or sorry, go ahead, Councillor Johnson. Yeah, don't we normally allow questions of administration before the moving and then Not the last night the item was moved and we had entered into debate. is there any way we can define questions of admin before moving it, just so there's like a a difference so we know that it's questions of admin? For sure. So um I'll I'll make that point clear and I'll make it extra clear for us going into that vote. Thank you. To make it clear that uh that's the case. Okay. Thank you. Uh Councillor Jameson, please. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. I'm just wondering if I I did send uh city clerk an amendment to this. I have talking uh spoken to D um Councillor Kelly about this. Um I'm wondering if we can bring up the amendment. Is this is this the time for this? It would be, yep. Okay, so it in a nutshell, instead of sending three, uh, because I think that's where what the original time was, it it's to just focus on one. It's to um So there'll be there'll be a a a cost of things you know from the 400,000, it's it it'll be dropped to about a third of that, 133. But that's really not the the point. The point is I think a lot of us were kind of taken off guard by um even me by you know originally supporting the the concept of the LEPs, which I do, but I think that we need to dig into this um this a little bit deeper here. And uh so my amendment is really just to uh support one instead of three, and that uh it'll fertily be resolved that uh it reports back to infrastructure and planning committee no later than Q3 2026 uh with an itemized cost breakdown for completing the additional LAP plan LAP, including staff, consultant, engagement, and a technical study. Uh essentially to kind of get a little bit more granular uh what the cost is and what why it is that. Um I think I think a lot of us were sticker shocked yesterday. So that is uh what the amendment is, and uh I I'd like uh a second term. Secondor, uh that's been seconded by Councillor Kelly. Now on the amendment, please. Um Councillor McClane. Yes, as far as the amendment, even the main, I really liked what Councillor Schmidt said. Very well thought out. We don't need to be doing this right now. Say no to amendments, say no to the main, let's move on. That's all. Sir, just uh I misheard you. Councillor McClane, could you say I'm a no to the amendment, and then I went then I'm just putting ahead of and I said even the main. I just don't think we should be doing any of this right now. Uh it's not that sorry to interrupt you. Thank you. You're welcome. Councillor uh Kelly on the debate, please. Uh uh debate on the amendment. On the amendment, yes. Um I thank Councillor Jameson for bringing this forward. I think that uh I did I think we could audibly hear last night when a lot of council members uh uh found out what the uh what the cost would be in the 2027 budget. Uh I'm I'm happy I was happy to second this to get it on the floor. I especially like point number two. Uh I'll call for a division of this. So I I'd like to vote in favor of point number two. Points number one and three, I'll be voting, uh I'll be voting against, but I want to explain why uh in in in terms of it. I want to be really clear, the main motion itself is not asking for us to make a decision on allocating any new revenue to LAPs at this time. What this is, as I said in my open, was that this is a decision for budget time. The purpose of the motion is so that amend can bring us uh uh the option of doing three more local area plans at budget time. If we don't pass this motion, it will not be included on that list that we saw yesterday in our close in our closed session. At budget time, we have the option then of doing three, two, one, or none. That's the purpose of the of the of the main motion that would that we have before us uh uh here today. Hence why I won't be supporting one and three on here because I believe that that is already covered by the decision that we'll be making in uh in November. We have the option to only do one of them uh in November, should that be what we're looking for. Um maybe just because I have a a couple of minutes or another minute and a bit here, uh I'll add in a little bit here too. That we're um we heard loud and clear from the members of the public during the blanket rezoning public hearing uh that the blanket part of that was entirely unacceptable to them. We also heard from uh folks both for and against. Almost all 400 people actually said that they wanted to be consulted more. If we're not going to go the way that the previous council went, which was the cheaper option of blanket rezoning, then we have no other option available that I'm aware of but to ask them where they would like to see the development happen in their neighborhoods. The best tool we have for that is the local area plans. I as well hate that number 14 million. I think it is way too high. And if we approve the uh the uh the main motion here today, I certainly look forward to having a conversation with admin about how we can get that number lower. Uh, but that's a conversation for a different time. Right now, what's before us today is simply to give us the option to look at that in the November budget. Because of that. Three, two, one option. I'll be voting against one and three on here because I think we have that option uh at budget to do that. All right, uh Councillor Wenis, please. Thanks. Uh I won't be supporting this or the main. Um we've at we've had notices of motion directing planning in the past. And when we've asked planning what their capacity is, they said they're going to consultants. And then you guys get sticker shocked. Every decision we make here costs money. There is zero free. We can talk about the fair free zone if it's free, it's not. We don't get free diesel, we don't get free energy, we don't get free staffing and labor. So everything costs money. I think we need to spend a bit more time asking and learning how the processes work in this organization. Before we start going up and then suddenly going, oh no, we're going to double the ask of output for a department when we don't even like the LAPs or the community gets mad. Are we doing an LAP to just color a map? Or are we going to do LAPs and zone the where we want to see the development? These are questions the council has to answer at strategic on the Calgary plan in June. Next month. This is why we moved it there so that we didn't have these jump the gun, notices emotion, and then get sick or shock shock. Like, give me a break. So let's stop trying to fix something we know is broken on the floor of council and go talk about it in the Calvary plan. Go learn about how planning and development actually works before you actually try and uh do public relations in the media that you've solved the housing problem and this won't even solve the housing problem or the pushback you will get from your community. So no. All right, Deputy Mayor Chabot, please. Yeah, just uh one question for admin before I enter into a little bit of debate on this. Um the This um budgetary request, was it or wasn't it part of the list that we saw recently? You know, at this point, Councillor Chabot, do you want to make a motion to go into closed session? I don't need the number. I just need a yes or no answer if it was part of the list. Yes it was. Okay, thanks. Um I'm uh I I appreciate the uh attempt here. Um I'm I'm a little reluctant to support this. Uh and I'm just gonna say something that may sound really weird, but one of my former colleagues used to say, What's the difference between a developer and an environmentalist? The difference between a developer and an environmentalist is a developer wants to build a house over there. An environmentalist has a house over there. And the reason I say that is because if you equate it to a community level and you ask folks what would they like to see as far as development within their community, and what they'll say is we think these are the places that higher density type development should occur. And you might get the majority of the community to buy in. But those people that live right next door to those places that are going to higher density development, they don't like it. So you're never gonna get everyone to like your LAP. You you're trying to uh Uh satisfy the majority and and look at increasing sustainability for a city. So you know taking our time and doing these things properly, making sure the ones that we have in place now are maybe fixed to to be more reflective of what this current council is looking for, I think would be the best step forward first before we look at at doing more, which is why I I'm I'm not supportive of moving forward with this today. And maybe in the future if we want to accelerate this this program, but the idea that somehow everybody likes LAPs, that's I have to counter that and say not necessarily true. Because most of the places where we have LAPs, some of those counselors were challenged with getting re-elected. Just saying. So whilst I appreciate that this is the path forward, the best path forward, it's not something that you should wish for. It's something that is necessary for us to move forward with as a city to be more sustainable. Absolutely. Accelerating it, I don't think is really the best way forward until we make sure that we got all the ones that we have now right. So that's why I'm gonna vote against this. No offense. All right. Uh Thank you, Deputy Mayor. I will jump in. I will not be supporting this amendment. Council, it's absolutely critical that we maintain momentum and increase momentum on our LAP program, especially given the correspondence we received from the federal minister recently. Without aggressively pursuing local area plan process, working with the community, working with industry, and pairing these LAP LAPs ideally with city-initiated redesignations, we're not going to be able to get to that. For us to be able to get to the expectations of the federal government on the housing accelerator fund availability. And what I'll say is that our investment here actually has the ability to bring in more money. So I get that it's difficult to defund this. I get that it can be a challenge to be able to work uh with the community, but it's what we're elected for. We we have to continue momentum on building, and if it's not going to be blanket rezoning, it has to be through LAPs. So if it's not blanket rezoning and it's not local area plans, then it's just not housing at all. We we need to proceed on one direction. Council Calgarons told us very clearly through the blanket rezoning debates and the public hearing that they were not in favor of the blanket approach. Many of them indicated support for LAPs. I'm not going to suggest that LAPs are perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it is the best possible tool that we have to be able to get a broad enough element to buy in to be able to build the housing that's required. And and bluntly, we're not going to be able to build what is required without significantly beefing up the resources that we have to this program. So uh with with all due respect to you, colleagues, with with if it's not blanket rezoning and if it's not local area plans, then we're not going to be able to build the amount of housing that's required for us to be able to meet the need that exists today, let alone for us as a city of two million people. So I strongly urge you to maintain the investment in this, to vote no to the watering down of the program, and then voting yes to allowing the the full weight of the program because it may be millions of dollars, but it's tens of millions of dollars that we stand to lose if we do not remain competitive as a city, as well as uh uh maintain uh good standing with uh our our obligations under the the revised uh indication from the from the minister federally. And what I'll say is that. I'm not Keen to bend over backwards to stay in compliance with the the federal housing accelerator funding. It's not about the federal government, but I do believe that what's right for Calgarians can be aligned with what the feds are asking us from this point of time, given that they are seeking that uh greater than 50% portion on the uh uh four units by right. So with that, uh Councillor Ewell to weigh in on the amendment. Just some questions, Ferdinand. Whether it's one or three, like currently we have we're working on three LAPs, correct? And is that three separate teams? And so whether it's one additional team or three additional teams based on this amendment or the main. That's kind of what we're deciding on is adding additional teams. Correct. And May I, though? yep. It's not a one for one reduction. So you heard Director Goldstein speak about certain positions that we have efficiencies across multiple LAP teams. So that's maxed out at the three we have. So by doing three, we were able to create some efficiency efficiencies with some of the support positions. If you go down to one, we're going to still need that support, but we're now having to hire up the full FTE for that one LAP rather than using that one position for three. So you're more efficient over more L's. And just another question So whether it's the 400,000 or the 1333,000, does any of that get spent before budget? So the direction in the notice of motion is to start pre-work in 2026. And Councillor Kelly has had conversations with us, and we're not going to do any hiring until we have approved budget in November. That's just not fair to anyone. There is some pre work that we could potentially do, but it will be later in the year in prepping for those hirings, et cetera. But we would not hit go until we have November budget approval. Okay. So yeah, we're not hiring anybody until council has approved those three LAPs. Or act and the hirings would come in 2027 with that budget. Okay, thank you. All right, uh Councillor Atkinson, please. Uh regarding the letter from the HAF, um it it says here that council uh clearly indicated will adopt a zoning replacement that allows a minimum of four units to be built on a lot for a significant majority of lots across the city. My understanding though is that LAPs do not adopt the a zoning, they are a policy document. Is that correct? I'm just wondering whether having more LAPs would satisfy the HAF requirements outlined in the letter. You're correct. The local area plans are not upzoning. It is the policy framework that would then lead to either, as the mayor just said, citywide rezoning or city initiated rezoning or the landowners from up z to upzone their own parcels. But there isn't actually a change in terms of the, yeah, it's not a zoning replacement. Yeah, by yeah. Okay, thank you. Yeah. Any further debate on this? Okay. Uh over to Councillor Jameson uh to close, please, on the amendment. Okay. Well, like I said, I Originally committed, uh, but uh after kind of being blindsided by the cost, uh, it kind of caused me to rethink things because the budget's gonna be pretty important here. And uh so I thought, well, why don't we start with one? Um you know, get the itemized cost projections back to infrastructure and planning, and then make an informed decision about scaling up the budget with real numbers. And I think that's the key. The the plan for this amendment would have real numbers, how that would be scaled um more accurately for the budget, and we would have more uh information at the budget. So that's uh the amendment, and uh thanks. And uh before we call the vote, uh Councillor Kelly, was your request to have one separate and two and three? Uh no, one and three, I believe, can go together in two separate Okay, so we'll give that a moment to get set. So we're gonna engage the evote on one and three, and that's the uh amendment that replaces the word three with one, and then the amendment that replaces the words three additional with one additional. And let's engage the e vote on that. I'm quick. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion has been defeated three to twelve, with uh only councillors Yule, Jameson, and tires in support. Okay, so we're back now to the main. I'm just gonna very briefly enter into uh or sorry, oh my gosh. Jeez. It hasn't been a long it's uh hasn't even been an hour or two hours. Oh my gosh. All right, we're engaging the vote on number two and the uh it's the itemized cost breakdown and so on. So please go ahead. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried nine to six with counselors Ward, Johnston, Schmidt, Chabot, Wyness, and McLean opposed. Okay. So we are now back on the uh the motion as amended. I'll just briefly enter debate. Basically the same thing, colleagues. The LAPs on their own do not change uh zoning, but I think that uh on a go-forward basis we should be looking. Uh Deputy Mayor Chabot has made this point. Uh many members of the public have made this point where uh city-initiated redesignations could generate broader support. So it squares off, I think, some of the issues as well. Councillor Johnston had identified when you have policy and a plan in place that doesn't necessarily match the zoning in place. And in my perfect world is that we spend the the time, the energy, the effort, and and yes, the money to work with the community in good faith, build as broad a support and coalition as possible for uh redevelopment in area uh with broad public support, with infrastructure and services to support it, build out that plan, and then as quickly as possible implement the zoning to match that plan. And then I strongly believe that based on the evidence that I've seen with the LAPs in the pipe, that uh this type of process and this approach would uh allow us to remain in compliance for the the fourth tranche of the the payments. And and to be clear, we uh are free and clear for the first three that were received, but the federal government is looking for us an indication to be moving forward with some level of zoning, not a citywide level of rezoning, but some element of redevelopment that'll occur along major corridors, nodes and corridors, transit, and and so on. So to be crystal clear, I'm not looking as a city for us to bend over backwards uh for the federal government. I think it's simply the the good the best thing to do for Calgarians is to pursue the local area plan process. But if this is remaining, if this allows us to be able to get the money that is on the table from the feds regardless, I think we'd be we'd be silly enough uh to refuse to take that money. But again, uh we have to do what's right for Calgarians, and what Calgarians told us through the public hearing process was to move forward on a more community-informed approach, respecting local context, uh supporting development where services and infrastructure can support it, and that is our local area plan process. So uh with that uh I'm done my debate. Uh giant thank you to the team as well, uh, uh who've been really working hard on in PDS and others to through the the blanket rezoning repeal. Incredibly complicated and and at times very convoluted work, but the fact that they've been able to do it with uh professionalism and grace, I think we're very well served as a council by our city staff and administration who've been working very, very hard. on this uh on this file. So I'm going to Councillor, or rather Deputy Mayor Chabot for debate, please. Yeah, thank you. Um and well so I appreciate the intent around this and with the hopes that somehow it's going to allow us to secure additional half funding. Um I've spoken to this before, but maybe not in front of this group. But the challenge that I have with regards to the half funding and as it relates to any proposed increase in density that three additional LAPs could impose as far as infrastructure upgrade requirements to the city of Calgary. I'm afraid that the amount of upgrades that we'll have to put in to accommodate this increased density will be greater than the half funding that we will be receiving. And the half funding will be very prescriptive in nature, will not be able to be utilized for infrastructure upgrades. Which is why I'm kind of like keep your money. Let us continue to build our city and uh In a in a in a city of Calgary uh fashion, in a built-in Calgary um uh fashion, as we've demonstrated for the last how many years we know how to build houses. We don't need federal money to build houses. We don't need to be bribed to accommodate what it is that they want us to build and how they want us to build it. I believe a built in a made in Calgary solution is better, uh, and I'd rather not uh have that money hanging over our head. To uh to direct us on how to build our city, which is why I think uh continuing on with our process in a measured uh and strategic fashion uh is a preferred way forward uh than trying to do it in an accelerated fashion, which is why I'm gonna vote against this. All right, Councillor Jameson, please. Well, okay. Um I guess I uh Well, I did co-sponsor this and uh I do believe in uh LAPs. I think residents uh want a say in how neighborshoods developed. Um however, budget is in the back of my mind, and finding out a little bit uh more of the cost i it is is very uh to me it it's it's something that it it's significant enough, I think, that we we really do need to uh think about this maybe a little bit more carefully. And um So right now I I'm not sure if I'm gonna support it at this time, even though I did co-sponsor it with the information that we have now. I was hoping to possibly get one one through, but that didn't didn't pass, and that's okay. But at least we'll get some No that's okay. No, I you know it's not my motion. You know, I just tried to do an amendment, but uh ultimately uh I I think we're gonna get some maybe some financial data back that will help us, but I I'm I might not be supporting it now at this time because of that. Thanks. All right, Councillor Tyres, please. Oh, I think count Or sorry, Councillor Atkinson. I apologize. Um the I I worry a lot actually about the um the discussion around this uh with the HAF and the uh city-led redesignations. Um LAPs is a process were never meant to redesignate land. And I think that that is actually a promise that the city made in terms of that process and rolling out that process with those communities, is that there would still be a chance to come for those land use redesignations. It provides a path, it provides more certainty, it provides a clearer path, but ultimately that oversight still lives with the city. And uh while I recognize that there is a need right now, if we want to meet this HAF funding to have a clear plan that will indicate and adopt a zoning replacement that allows a minimum of four units to be built on a significant majority of lots across the city, this will not answer that, especially in the timeline of October 27, 2026, because as we know, LAPs take years to come together. This potentially right now is saying to the folks that have LAPs in place, who have gone through this process, who have been the earliest ones as a part of that process, that the promise made that this is a policy document that is to be followed and sort of to guide be a guiding light is no longer that and is instead a redesignation of land. And I think that that seriously jeopardizes the ability for the LAP process to be something that actually allows community and the teams that are doing that work within community to come together and come to the results that we need to come to. So I I worry that that potentially puts us down a path that could jeopardize the existing LAPs, could jeopardize the LAP process that is currently taking place in those three locations taking place right now. And uh I also think, I mean, we heard from administration that they've Massaged this process within their teams. They've done that work through uh working through LAPs of the past and have gotten better with it. And this is the idea of just landing in uh external consultants on something that is such a significant uh piece of how we develop our cities and I think also runs a risk that we potentially will not have the care, the oversight, the the touch of community and the understanding of city policies, city documents, and the overall plans, the MDP that these teams bring to bear when they are doing that LAP process. Um LAPs are important, and I absolutely recognize the desire to have LAPs as a way to To give certainty to community and to builders and to everyone about a path forward, and I I can absolutely respect that. I just worry that the conditions in which we've been presented that it this would go to external work and then some of the surrounding language around this in terms of the HAF agreement, we need to, we should be working to deliver four units by right. Absolutely. When we repealed citywide rezoning, we should be working to deliver four units by right in the city. That's we should be able to do that. That is not through LAPs, though. That is not through LAPs. That is a separate conversation, and I would be happy to support anyone in their efforts to meet that requirement. But let's do local area plans right. Let's allow the current process on the ones that are going forward to be done properly. Let's not jeopardize that with language like city led redesignations, and let's make sure we come to the end result with a proper way forward for local area plans in the process. Thank you. Councillor Tyres, please. Yes. Okay. I've heard a lot today. Um, so during the public hearing, we heard very clearly that local area plans were going to be the key to all the problems that we're facing. It was gonna be it it just felt like that that was where we wanted to go, and that is why I supported this and have seconded it because We need to make sure that these local area plans move forward in a reasonable way that includes engagement from the community, but now I'm hearing that communities don't actually like their local area plans. Which is so problematic. And when Councillor Schmidt actually brought up a really good point, which is when we're debating during our public hearings, a lot of these things are local area plan compliant and we vote against it. That's that's also problematic. And then of course the sticker shock that we all heard yesterday. I think I was probably one of the loudest ones. It was like TJ, what's going on here? Okay, so we try to, and I appreciate Councillor Jameson um bringing forward the amendment to, you know, let's let's try it with one, clearly. Nobody wants to do that. Um, and in this case, maybe it is the the case of solving the problems with the current local area plans and the actual process of it before we move forward at an accelerated rate. I When I first heard that it took like two and a half years to do three local area plans, I was like, well, let's just do it faster. Like that's of course someone with zero experience in planning and um just wanting to make my community have more of a voice. Communities like Boness, who don't have a local area plan and therefore have become, you know, just the dumping ground for all things ridiculous. And so this was I I appreciate the work that Councillor Kelly did in um bringing this forward, but at this time I I can't I can't support it, unfortunately. What I could suggest though is dividing the vote or like dividing the items so maybe we could still report back with an itemized cost breakdown if that is um how we'd like to proceed. And um I apologize to my colleague. I know that uh we really wanted um to move this forward. I I could see our intentions, but uh as we're listening more, it does seem like maybe maybe we need to do um some work first. So uh I I suppose that's my uh that's my opinion on this. Thanks. So based on that, we'll call one and three and then two. Uh seeing no other Q in the queue, uh over to Councillor Kelly to close. five minutes to summarize what was 18 hours ago. I think we started this. Uh two two rounds of debate for most members. So I'll try to get that done in five minutes to be able to address some some of the points that uh uh that we had here. Um yeah, uh first and foremost foremost, I I I appreciate the sticker shock. I agree with everybody who heard $14 million and what that is way too much money. Fully agree. That is, to me, uh uh uh too much money to to to do this. But I again, as Councillor Tyler said, I'm I'm not the expert in this. If this is approved, I would very much like to work with the men to be able to find out ways that we can do this uh it in in a in a uh a cheaper way. But I need to be incredibly clear to everyone around the table here today. We are not, I repeat, double underline, not approving $14 million today. What we are doing if we approve this is giving ourselves the option to approve $14 million or less at budget time. We've heard from the blanket rezoning public hearing throughout the entire uh throughout the entire public hearing that people want to have more of a say. They had a massive problem both for and against the blanket rezoning in terms of the amount of uh uh say that they got to have in the process. This local area plan process is what gives them the opportunity to have that say. It's absolutely true that engaging Calgarians in a discussion about how their neighborhood changes or grows is more expensive. The previous council tried to avoid that cost by blanket rezoning the entire city. And we can see how upset people were about that. So, the choice is ours as a council. Do we blanket rezone again? Do we work or do we work with our neighbors to figure out where to grow? Or do we leave things just as they are? Personally, I think the middle option that I'm proposing through this notice of motion is the most palatable of the three, and in the end, is actually the least expensive. So maybe by way of an example, I'll offer here that uh ward 4, my my ward, has about 25,000 less people living in it than it did at the peak population of our neighborhoods. This stands in contrast to the inner city neighbors which have redeveloped to current population peaks, and our suburban neighborhoods, which have been designed to be much denser than what we used to build. I would take two, it would take two LAPs to have a relatively full plan for all of Ward 4 redevelopment. And that would cost approximately, as we heard today, about $9.6 million. That is far less expensive than the $100, $200, or $300 million of dollars it would require to build a new neighborhood to accommodate 25,000 people. And you're just at time, perhaps a final sentence to conclude your thoughts. Perhaps I'll say that in the easiest way the easiest way is this is about giving us the opportunity at budget time to find a cost-effective way in order to be able to accommodate growth within the city in appropriate ways with the input of our neighbors. Thank you, Rush. I appreciate that. Thank you, uh Councillor Kelly. So based on the request for division, uh Madam Clerk, let's go with the first and second uh third first and third bullet. And those are up on the screen there. Uh we'll engage the e vote on the first and third bullet as indicated up on the screen. Councillor Tyres, your vote, please. No. Thank you. Councillor Kelly, your vote, please. Yes. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion has been defeated 5 to 10, uh, with counselors Ward, Johnston, Schmidt, Atkinson, Yule, Jameson, Tyre, Shabot, Wyness, and McLean opposed. We'll now engage the vote on the uh second bullet on the reporting or the itemized cost breakdown. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Tyres, your vote, please. Yes. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion is carried nine to six, with counselors Johnston, Schmidt, Atkinson, Chabot, Wines, and McLean opposed. And uh perhaps uh counsel, if you don't mind, before I uh call back the item that was sent to the call of the chair. Uh Jim Hamilton, uh, could you just reiterate how you perceive the direction to be given that the Uh the budget was not provided, but the itemized cost breakdown was asked for. Absolutely, Councillor, or sorry, Mayor Farkas. I was just texting with the team. Um we would be able to we have the majority of this information, we would be able to bring it to IPC within the next couple of months. Okay, great. Thank you. And if if a briefing works for the mayor and council, that'd be great or committee. Yeah. Okay. Councillor Chabot, would you like to speak? Sorry, I I missed the question and answer. So the the question I asked was uh based on uh bullet one and three, the the budget failing, but the request for the itemized breakdown did succeed. I had asked uh GM Halton how administration was per how they perceived that direction, and I believe GM Halton just indicated they'd be providing a briefing to IPC in the next couple months. All right. We sent the say a recruitment item to the call of the chair. And as chair, I'm now calling it back. So we've uh approved and given three readings to the bylaw as amended. So at this point, uh I believe, Madam Clerk, we uh are going to engage the the vote on the the second and the third bullet. That's correct, Mayor Farkas. So this will be recommendation number two, which will be the appointment of the four members. And following the appointment of the four members, council can then make the appointment of the chair. To facilitate council's decision making, we did create the um Selection matrix for you from the members that have expressed an interest, and since the bylaw being amended, we've updated that as well. So we can display that for you. So that's been it was closed, and we I believe we've only voted on one. So do we need to engage the vote now on bullet two and three? Not until you make the selections, because we will insert the names of the members on recommendation number two. Okay. Sounds good. Yeah, because recommendation two read appoint members of the executive committee following the selection process. We'll insert the names. Councillor will vote and then we will circle back to appointing the chair. Right, so we'll go to nominations. Uh based on that, uh, we see the the columns set up there. Uh go first, uh Councillor Clark, please. Thank you, Chair. I'd be uh I'm pleased and delighted to nominate Councillor Ewell for the position. Thank you. Councillor Yule, do you accept? Yeah, happy to accept. This is something I I'm really excited to hopefully be on. Okay. Uh I'm in the queue. I am going to nominate uh Deputy Mayor Shabot. Uh Councillor Shabot, do you accept? Okay, Councillor Shabot accepts. Uh Councillor Johnston on nomination? Yeah, I nominate Councillor ward. Okay. Councillor Ward, uh, do you stand? Yes. I'm sorry, just one moment. We just need to confirm if Councillor Ward, are you vice chair of IPC? No? One moment. Yeah, we just need to confirm. Councillor Ward's eligible. I'm so sorry. I think it's Councillor Pentazo now that I Vice Chair of IPC? Yes. So Councillor Ward is not eligible for appointment Okay. Councillor Ward, unfortunately, you're not eligible for appointment. Can I renominate somebody? Uh I'll come back to you in the queue, Councillor Johnson. So yeah, you burnt that nomination, but I'll go to Councillor McClain. Uh I'd like to nominate Councillor Wyness. Okay. Councillor Weiness, do you stand? Okay. And uh when I ask if you stand, you that's an opportunity as well if you would like to make your pitch. Why not YNS? That's what I'm going with. Thanks. And you already nominated uh Shabot, so Okay. Sounds good. I I think you'll have to hire Councillor uh McLean for your campaign measure. that's what I already used. All right. Uh Councillor Wynus has uh already nominated uh nominated Councillor Chabot. Uh Councillor Jameson, please. Am I able to nominate Councillor Tyres? Absolutely, you can. Yep. Councillor Tyrers, do you stand? Councillor Schmidt, please? I can nominate Councillor Dolywall. All right, Councillor Daliwall, are you in? Okay. Councillor Johnson? I'll nominate Councillor Jameson, please. Councillor Jameson, do you stand? And Except it Good. Councillor Jameson is one of the alternates, so he's eligible. Uh Councillor Yule? I'll nominate Councillor Pantasopoulos. All right, Councillor Panasopoulos, are you in? Yes, except thank you. And over to you, Councillor Panasopoulos, on a nomination. Councillor Kelly. Councillor Kelly, do you stand? Uh yeah, I've been doing a lot of work on this file up until this point. Yeah, please to let my name stand to uh make sure that we uh keep the process on track. Okay, did anyone who's accepted a nomination want uh an opportunity to make their pitch? We kind of just went through quick on that. It did and given that's a big competitive, uh, Deputy Mircebo. Yeah, not sure if I should even try and pitch for myself. Other than um, I think I I I bring a unique perspective in regards to. Um my uh having had the pleasure of being served by multiple CE CEOs over the years and uh and been part of some recruiting uh at the city in the past. Of course, myself being an employer, uh having had the chance to go through this process with a lot of professional um sales and marketing folks in the past, maybe not so much uh from uh the operating side, although I did have a store manager uh when I was in the electronics industry. So I think I I I do bring that that that uh at least institutional knowledge within within the city of Calgary and so I would be honored to be sitting on this committee. I I will make the time to to participate uh in in in the fullest capacity. Thank you. Councillor Tyres? Yeah, thank you for uh nominating me for this very important subcommittee to choose our next CAO. I think I've proven to my counselors, my fellow counselors here, that I am one that will listen to all opinions and that I will consider everyone's input when we're making these decisions. I heard when we were discussing uh with the clerk about how important it it is that everybody has a say. And so I will make sure that that happens and that we will choose the best option for our city. Thanks. Yeah. I see you're in the queue. Councillor Kelly, but you already made your pitch. Did I? For yourself, yep. Maybe can I just add one last thing? Uh I was just gonna say uh the the one bit that I would add is just like I think I've I think I've developed a bit of a reputation in terms of being able to work with everyone on council, but uh councillor Chabot did remind me there. I have worked with three CAOs here at the city of Calgary, including on the other side as administration. And I think it's important for us to note that the CAO, while they do report to council, they also are the leader for our administration. So it'd be very good to make sure that we have a voice around this table that is looking out and have for what it is that administration might need in a chief administrative officer. Uh, and I certainly would bring that uh that skill set to the table. Councillor Wynus, please. Thanks. Um I I'd like to be on the recruitment committee as I've been on audit for the last four years, which the terms of reference of this committee are are modeled off of. So I've been through the evaluation process using this model to evaluate our auditor. I have also been uh on the recruitment for board members of Calgary Police Commission for a number a couple years. In a row. So I understand the process and how to work collaboratively with an entire board of commission to make sure that we are meeting the skills matrix in recruiting a balanced board, and I can bring that to this recruitment as well as work with all of you to make sure you're informed on when we are meeting so that you can actually attend the meetings. You may not be able to vote, but you will be kept in the loop on uh when we are meeting and have insight to the resumes we are looking at. So it won't be a surprise when we finally get. To council for you to make your decision. So I will help bring everyone along, having been through this process a number of times. So thanks. Councillor Penazopoulos, please. Well, thanks so much. Echoing our colleagues, you know, this is probably the biggest, most important decision that we're going to make as a council. And I think having experience selecting C-suites, you know, fortunate in a prior life, selected two chairs of boards, three CEOs, uh, through volunteer work at CBE, uh, chairs of boards, directors, CEOs, and even here at the uh Calgary uh parking authority many moons ago hiring uh executive. I think the key is knowing the questions that folks will answer questions and what they aren't saying, and being able to go through there and having that. Uh C-suite to C suite ability to have a conversation because it is a $10 billion organization. They are our one employee. It's super critical. You have to make sure that you can have that dialogue to understand they understand running of the business, but also running of that administration team of a very large and complex organization, which I have the skill set. So hopefully I can get your support. Thank you so much. Thank you. Councillor Yule. Yeah, I'm just uh I guess my my background as VP of operations of a company uh before becoming Councillor and uh I did a lot of hiring. I did a lot of training on hiring. Uh and so I'm I feel like I'm quite suited for a role like this, and uh I feel like I have a really good um relationship with all of you around the horseshoe. Door will always be open, and I'm I'm looking forward to actually you know sitting down with each and every one of you to to to work on like what questions to be uh asked and what what type of person we're looking for. And so uh happy to have my my name forward here and and hope for your votes. All right. I see no other lights. Anyone else want to jump in? All right. Seeing none, uh, Madam Clerk, if you can summarize for us, uh we're we're seeking four members, in addition to the mayor who is ex officio, so On uh the balloting, uh council members will be able to indicate up to four names. And then of the ballots that are written down and collected, the the top four, should there not be any ties, will be um nominated as the slate so long as they receive eight votes. Yes. as long as they receive a majority of council. Majority of council, but you're right. So the mayor is ex officio, so please do not um write Mayor Farkas on the ballot because that's already part of the committee. And then yes, we're balloting for four. Thank you. That'll just simplify the count later. So I wanted to get that out there. All right, so colleagues, of those names up on the screen, Councillor Jameson, Chabot, Daliwall, Kelly, Pantasopolis, Wyness, Yule, and Tyres, please indicate up to four. Of those names on your ballot. Apologies for the interruption. Councillor Dollywall, please um email me your selection via email since you are participating remotely. And Mayor Farkas looking at the clock, just wondering if we could perhaps um conclude the balloting before you proceed to recess. Okay. Any objection, uh colleagues, to us uh concluding this item before starting our afternoon break? Okay. Seeing no objection, uh we will continue. Okay. All right, colleagues, we'll have to go to a second round of balloting. Uh we've indicated that councillor Chabot and Yule have been elected to the spots, so that means that we need to fill two more spots and those individuals must receive a majority of counsel. So What this means is that we're going to reballot. In addition to myself, Councillor Shabot, and Yule, we must decide who are the remaining two who will serve on this committee. So it'll be myself, Councillor Shabot, and Yule. And based on that composition, please determine of Councillor Jameson, Daliwell, Kelly, Pantasopoulos, Wynus, and Tyres. Of those two, or of those names that I just listed, the two that you would like to join, myself, Councillor Shabeau, and Yule. So again, your ballot must indicate up to two names of Councillor Jameson, Daliwall, Kelly, Pantasopoulos, Wynus, and Tires. Everything is fine. All right, so there's not uh white smoke quite yet. Uh if there if required if the the procedure bylaw calls that if required, uh if If successive rounds of balloting may be required, then ultimately the successive rounds of balloting will exclude the nominee with the fewest votes and any nominees with no votes until we receive nominees with uh eight votes that are required. So at this point, uh we're gonna continue to a successive round, and the the candidates with uh the fewest votes, or the rather the nominee with the fewest votes, and any nominee with no votes included Councillor Jameson. So what this means is that Councillor Jameson has fallen out of contention. So we will proceed again to fill the two additional spots. Out of the names only Councillor Dallywell, Kelly, Pandasopoulos, Wynus, and Tires. So to be clear, according to the procedure bylaw, Councillor Jameson is now out of the running, and we'll proceed again to ballot two names. On your ballot, indicate up to two names. Including Councillor Dallywell, Kelly, Pantasopoulos, Wynus, or Tyres to fill the remaining two vacancies, to join myself, Councillor Shabot, and Ewell on the subcommittee. All right, colleagues. Joining myself, Shabot, and Yule is one candidate, Councillor Wynus. So Weinus has achieved the the required amount. So uh to date, it's it's myself, Shabot, Wynus, and Ewell. That means that there's one more vacancy that's required. And in the round of balloting, uh, we've dropped off Councillor Dollywall as well. So, what this means is that we have one more spot to fill, and it's of the names Councillor Kelly, Panasopoulos, or Tires. So, again, to join myself, Councillor Chabot, Councillor Wynus, and Yule, we need one more uh Councillor. And please choose one name out of Councillor Kelly, Panasopoulos, and Tyres. I know it's uh all right, colleagues. Uh according to the procedure bylaw, we're gonna go to another round, excluding Councillor Kelly. So we have two remaining candidates uh in contention. It's Councillor Pantozoulos and Tyres. So out of these two names, please indicate one between Councillor Pantozopoulos and Tyres to join myself, Shabot Wyness, and Yule. On the committee, subcommittee rather. Thank you, sir. Let's make sure everybody is muted. All right, colleagues. We have concluded the balloting, and the the final slate here is Councillor Chabot, Yule, Wynus, and Tyres. And then that uh I am joined as well. I joined the committee subcommittee as well, ex officio. Uh I believe at this point, uh Madam Clerk, we're seeking an election from the members of the chair. That's correct. Okay, so I'm gonna jump in and I'm gonna nominate a field serve uh deputy mayor chabot to serve as chair of the uh subcommittee. Deputy Mayor, do you uh do you stand? Okay. Uh Councillor Schmidt, I'll nominate Councillor Yule. I believe it's an election from the members, uh, but Madam Clerk, can any member of council nominate? That's right. For the member uh for the appointment of chair, yes, it's the vice chair that will be done by the membership of the subcommittee. Okay, sounds good. All right, uh Councillor Yule, do you stand? Sure. Uh Councillor Jameson on this? Can I please nominate uh Councillor Wines? Uh Councillor Wines, do you stand? Okay, maybe of the three of you, do we I would think it would be good to hear from each of you. Maybe Councillor Wines, uh, you can start. If I lose this, vice chair. So I'm just showing interest in that leadership position. Having been on audit again, I've I've been through the process in a chair position so uh in the past, and so I would like to be either chair or vice chair of the subcommittee to do the work. So thank you. Uh Deputy Mayor Chabot, please. Yeah. Um I am s sat on a committee um like this in the past uh and chaired actually the committee and uh in fact uh one of the committees that I sat on. I was only one of three, and the the recommendations that came out of the committee, I was actually the minority as far as my position on who should move forward. But as the chair, I put forward the name that the committee supported. So just to give you an idea on my integrity, is I will continue to do what the committee wants and could will continue to advocate on that behalf as well as. As having had experience of going through this not once but uh several times uh at the city of Calgary. So I think I I'd make a good chair. Uh but you know what? Whatever happens, happens. Uh I'd be hap just happy to serve. And Councillor Yule, please. Yeah, I I echo that. Happy to serve. I um just uh I I feel like I've got a really good relationship with everybody around this horseshoe, and I uh I definitely want to make sure that uh we're working together. I've got a pretty decent schedule to fit fit this type of work in, so happy to uh take on the the workload of chair. I apologize, Councillor Johnson. I didn't see uh you in the queue there. uh sorry, it was for a nomination and it was already covered, so thank you. And Councillor Jameson? You were counts you your nominations. Yeah. All right, uh any other nominations, colleagues? Okay, seeing none, uh, we'll proceed to balloting. So of the three candidates up on the screen, Shabot, Wyness, and Yule, please indicate one to be the chair of the CA Recruitment and Appointment Subcommittee. All right, uh for chair, uh we have selected Councillor Ewell to chair the subcommittee. And I believe at this point, Madam Clerk, it's members who will be eligible to vote for the vice chair That will be done at the first meeting of the subcommittee. at the first meeting of the subcommittee. Yeah. So we're just populating the motion uh for council to vote on. So that will be the previous recommendation two as well as three. We're just preparing it with the results and you will be able to vote momentarily. Thanks for your patience, council. Um the motion is before you. All right, colleagues. Uh I'm Madam Clerk, I believe this was moved by Councillor Council Kelly and Chabot. Okay. That's right. All right, that is on the table. Uh seeing no other lights, uh, I'm going to engage the vote on everything that's above there. And that is just the the results of our balloting. And let's engage the evote. Councillor Tyres, your vote, please. Thank you. And Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the uh motion is carried 14 to 1 with uh councillor Dollywall opposed. Uh we've arrived at the conclusion of the item, so let's come back uh at 410. See you in half an hour. The role Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Chabot, Councillor Clark, Present. Councillor Dollywall, Yeah. Councillor Jameson, Councillor Johnston, Councillor Kelly, Present. Councillor McLean, Here. Councillor Pantasopoulos, Here. Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Here. and Mayor Farkas. Here. Uh Council Chabot noted. Thank you. We will now move to notice of motion 9.4.5, strengthening support for community based organizations in Calgary. Over to you, uh Councillor Dollywell. Thank you, Mayor. I'm not going to waste much of council's time. This council had been sitting on this notice of motion for three weeks now. So I'm just going to say this motion is about community organizations that are more grassroots, but very small, do not have a capacity to hire someone to do grants and all that, but also see barriers when it comes to not just applying for city grants, but also for provincial and federal. So this notice of motion is just to engage in those organizations and look at some of the barriers, duplications, administrative complexity, and difficulties that they're facing, and bring a report back in September how we can help them. Often we do a capacity building initiative through our uh NC NFCSS funding reserve uh every year where we give an opportunity to smaller organizations to apply for special projects. So let's look at the opportunity. No funding requirement today, no ask, just administration to engage these organizations that are grassroots and bring a recommendation uh to this council at September where this council can make that decision. So, with that, I'm open and looking forward to any uh debate. Thank you. Thank you. That's been uh seconded by Councillor Schmidt. Colleagues, any debate on this? Councillor Kelly, please. Yeah, I'm don't think this is a question for administration, but I will ask it of administration. It's probably more appropriate for Councillor Dollywall than close, but I'm just wondering if we can uh get a definition of community-based organization, because that's a pretty broad group of people. Thank you for the question, Councillor Kelly. I'm Erin Cervantes Altamirano, Director of Community Strategies, and the funding component for community organizations falls under my portfolio. So administration does not have a definition of grassroots organizations as Councillor Dollywall was mentioning. I think that what is captured in this notice of motion is the intent to identify what are the common elements in the organizations that are currently not that experience barriers applying for funding from the city of Calgary, either because of lack of complexity, sizing, who is involved in the organization, et cetera. So what you see in there is language that will allow us to scope out the types of organizations that Councillor Dalliwell might suggest should be included in further efforts to distribute funding. Sorry, just to be clear on that, we don't currently have a definition of community community-based group. Are we going to come up with a definition of that? Like I'm just trying to figure out how we do a jurisdictional scan without being able to sc at the very least scope that down. So our current definition of community organizations will be those organizations that serve community, usually in the social serving sector, that will address issues like homelessness, it could be things like addictions, it could be things like outreach, et cetera. But one of the pieces in here that I do want to highlight is that the intent of this notice of motion is trying to capture organizations that right now may not be recognized in their complexity, size, et cetera, as community organizations that the city of Calgary would normally fund. So think about, for instance, and I think the example that we normally come up with is uh with the COVID situation, a number of neighborhoods had organizations or volunteers that organized food drives that organized all sorts of supports, et cetera, but that was, you know. That continues to be the case in a lot of uh settings and currently a number of those organizations would not be eligible to receive funding from the city of Calgary. So for example, um just had a meeting a couple of weeks ago with a representative of the German Canadian Club, which is in uh um ward four. By this definition, would that be a community based organization? Um so I'm not entirely sure about the terms of but maybe one of my colleagues knows. Good afternoon. A lot of the funding programs that we have right now are for programmatic uh funding, uh, not for sustained uh organizational operations. So that's sometimes a gap we have in our funding landscape. We have a number of funding programs, but they're designed to provide service. But a lot of these organizations that we define as community based, they need some core funding so that they can sustain their operation. Yeah. So what about orga some organizations that may not fall into that that definition that they're like we we are sustainable. Uh some of them are, you know, uh might even be B Corps or things like that. They still would I'm just trying to figure out the the guardrails that we're putting around this because otherwise this could blow up real big real fast. So that's why this is a scoping exercise. So in the past, the administration has defined organizations with a budget of under 250K or less than for employees as community organizations that would normally be eligible to acquire funding. So that would definitely include some of our community associations, but definitely not all of our community associations. Interesting. And just okay. That we as a municipality can. I'm a little bit worried that like where are the guard the guide rails on this? I'm not seeing seeing a whole lot of definition. It's um again, I work I worked in community engagement uh uh previously, and the the the first question you get in that field every time is uh define community and define engagement. And so in this particular case, I'm looking at community, community based group, and I'm looking for a definition of community based and group. And I'm not seeing that in the in the notice of motion here. No. And it's part of the scoping exercise as the notice of motion was drafted. Okay, thank I'm gonna continue through the queue, but I just wanted uh for the rest of council to get more clarity from Madam Clerk on the question that Councillor Johnston had raised in terms of the questions during debate, when questions can be asked, can't. And I just want to take a brief moment to uh go to Madam Clerk to explain the section and how the rules are applied. Sure. Thanks, Mayor Farkas. Happy to do so because the rules are a little bit um altered when it comes to notices of motions. So section 80 in the procedure bylaw guides council's um flow of agenda items. What is different when it comes to notices of motion is that there is no members of administration that issue the presentation and the overview, which means that there is no operation of section 80 sub-C questions of clarification from members to administration. So with respect to notices of motion, the flow of the agenda item really starts when the main motion is made by the member. So when the motion is made and seconded, it is on the floor, and then you immediately proceed to debate, which is once per member. And then the procedure bylaw rules provide that during your debate you are permitted to ask members of administrations questions, but that is timed. We do time that as part of your debate. Thank you. And I just wanted to verify that because I had an inquiry from a colleague in terms of why I was allowing Councillor Kelly to ask questions during his debate. There's not an opportunity before the motion is moved to ask questions of administration because there's no administration presentation. So what this means is that always during a notice of motion, you have a chance to ask questions as part of your debate, but you don't have an additional timer for questions beyond what your debate allows. So uh with that, uh Deputy Mirror Shibeau, please. Thanks. No, I'm I'm a little confused by this because we typically don't give operating dollars to any of our community organizations. So is this what this intent is, is to look at operating dollars? Because if it is, I can tell you, every single community association throughout the entire city would love to have operating dollars. Is this gonna open a can of worms that we really don't want to go down? So, no, what I would suggest, Councillor, is that what my colleague was referring to is the uh portion number two that identifies barriers. So we're identifying one of the barriers that administration regularly hears about. But no, you're absolutely correct. We do not provide operating dollars. And in here, the exercise is to try to scope out what are the barriers for a small community uh community based organization that may have less complexity than others in terms of how could they increase their capacity or how could we make funds available to them. But I don't think it will be in the operating dollar realm. It will be programs and services as every other stream of funding that we have. So we're still talking about community associations, right? Sorry? Are we still talking about community associations? Community organ based organizations. And our NPCers, do they only work with community ossociations, So that would be a question. neighborhood program coordinators? Or do they also work with or Not not for profit organizations. So Tim Maori, manager of community partners, the Neighborhood Partnership Coordination Program supports only community associations and social rec organizations. The other part of the portfolio would be partnership specialists who work more with community based organizations that apply for funding. And so would they not be able to access that resource currently? So Community associations, sorry. No, no. Organizations that come to us for funding that are not community associations and through special partner, whatever the you called it? commun any funding that we are currently providing will have to be in regards to programs and services. So if a community association is not providing programs and services on behalf of the city of Calgary, they would not be eligible for the funding. Okay. And could they not access funding through this special group? Like what special I don't know, sp you said you had So just to make clear the difference between a neighborhood partnership specialist and then partnership specialists who support community based organizations that apply through funding, such as FCSS funding. Okay. So these folks would they be accessing FCSS funding? If it's for programs and services, they could be eligible to access funding. But again, we don't give operating funding. So this, like if a community association is not providing programs and services on behalf of the city, they wouldn't be eligible. I'm trying to I'm trying to wrap my head around what this is gonna do, what this what this is trying to do, So what I would suggest is that this is a question for Councillor Dalwell in terms of what the intent of the notice of motion is. But the intent of the notice of motion as communicated to administration was to scope out what kinds of supports and what kinds of funding could be made available to organizations that are doing programmatic work in community that are currently that have a barrier to receiving any funding from the city. which is like a million organizations. Like every school organization, there's so many organizations that have come to me over the years looking for funding as like I just don't know where you would draw the line. That's why I'm I'm kind of afraid of actually even considering this. Thank you. I hopefully Councillor Dollywalk can give me some closure in his closure, because right now I'm just leaning to no. Thank you, Councillor Johnson, please. Um Yeah, I guess this is more for Councillor Dollywall in a debate here bit, but I mean Calgary.ca slash social dash services dot HTML. Um it provides all the funding, different uh community social work, mental health addiction strategy, um, pair entry, like the city does a very good job at presenting how these funding options are available. Um and just quick question for admin. Um Just what would be a a barrier that you guys would be able to identify right now if you think of any? So things that administration regularly hears about, we currently fund about a third of the asks. So we made funding available through provincial contributions, contributions at the municipal level, sometimes federal. But right now, our funding gap is substantial. So in the past, we have received requests for about $123 million. We only provide a third of that, yes. The other thing that I would say is that in terms of barriers, we do organizations that have more complexity, that maybe have access to grant writers, et cetera, have been identified as historically being more successful in acquiring funding than others organizations. Since COVID, we also hear from a number of organizations at the neighborhood level that are also interested in getting funding for their activities at the neighborhood level. But a lot of our programs are given fiscal accountabilities, are considered to be a higher barrier in terms of application, the number of documentation that you need to provide to us, the evaluation accountabilities that you need to provide to the city, et cetera. So one of the barriers is funding. the availability of funding, yeah. And the current budget for this is around 40 million. About sixty million dollars and twenty of those millions are municipal contribution, the rest are provincial and federal. Could you give me a without naming names, like what would be considered a community organization? Uh community. I'm just trying to figure out what exactly I know Shabot kind of alluded to it. Sorry, Councillor Shabot. Um Uh I guess I can let the uh Councillor Dolly will answer that, but um so one of the barriers is funding. So what you're gonna probably come back with is more funding. Are there any other barriers that you've identified? So, as we mentioned to you, the requirements that we currently ask for when you are applying for funding, you need to be a registered nonprofit organization. You need to have a board of directors and policies and procedures to rule the governance of your organization. You need to have the ability to monitor funding calls. Whenever they're those are good barriers, like So, um, what I we would say is that you are part of the fiscal accountability framework, yes. thank you. Okay, I'll leave it there. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Wanis, please. Thanks. Sorry, don't go. I I'm just kind of curious in the number four report back. It's essentially you're gonna do this generalized uh review on a very broad definition topic. Will you actually will you actually create a breakdown of definitions of what groups? So, like what you were just explaining to Councillor Johnson about having to have a board and and an ability to Report back to us and show that the money is going to what you said it's going to. If that is perceived as a barrier in this report, will we create a mitigation strategy that says you don't need a board in place, you don't need to be registered? No, so I think that that's part of the scoping exercise and part of what uh Councillor Daliwall mentioned at the beginning is that he would like administration to engage with these types of organizations. And the term that he utilized was grassroots organizations, for which we currently do not have a definition at the administration's level. So really scoping out which what are these organizations, what is the composition, what are they, how are they getting Activities completed, is it self-funded? Is it fundraising? Like what is it? Where is the gap? What types of things that they would require in order to acquire funding funding from the city? Is there appetite on the city side for this type of exercise, etc.? So again, this is the scoping exercise for which we currently don't quite have a definition of what these small organizations are. And then for your implementation of a funding approach for community based groups, are you essentially gonna come up with a grant program or a funding for us to fund in the city side to provide supports to those groups? So again, Councillor Wine is because this is exploratory work, we cannot quite tell what we are going to come back with. So it could be a number of options. It could be a new funding program, it could be a new approach to for existing funding. It could be a number of different things. I I think the challenge the council's probably having with this is we'd like to have some sort of definition to start, and this is not on you, this is on the writer. Because how are we knowing this is successful? We've so given you really broad. So what I would say is that part of why we have identified the need for scoping exercises that the utilization of the term grassroots organizations is also very broad, has been challenged in a number of municipal settings and government settings. We do have organizations that have grassroots strategies. United Way is a good example, for instance. So the city does not quite have that approach yet. So that's part of what will need to be scoped. Yeah. Yeah. I think maybe it's because that should have been the first step in the this nom of go define grassroots for us and then do the next part. And that's where I I think that this nom fails. But anyway, okay, thank you very much. Thank you, Councillor Wannis. That exhausts the queue. Back to you, Councillor Dollywell. Thank you, Mayor. I won't waste council's time anymore. Every hour is costing this taxpayer seven to eight thousand dollars. The whole point of this NAM is to define what these organizations are and what are the barriers. Money is not the only barrier. There's other barriers, which is the capacity building. We have big fundings, FCSS, CSF, which sometimes police services is not even giving enough money to these organizations, just to build the capacity to find them. And sometimes they just come to city because they're so close to city. Just to help them build their capacity, writing grant programs and so on and so on, so they can apply to other jurisdictions, provincial, federal government. So not all the burden is falling upon uh municipal government to support these organizations. So the first step is defining these organizations, and second, in September to see how we can help them with minimal, minimal, if needed, dollars uh through FCSS uh program, uh capacity building, $750,000, I believe last year, just to support them. So municipal government is uh taking on less burden. It's not an opex, it's not operating dollars, it's just a capacity building. Uh so with that, uh yes, um, if you want to support it, go ahead. If not, good on you. Uh let's not waste council's time and taxpayers' money, it's costing us all. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Dollywell. Over to Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote, please. Councillor Kelly, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Johnston, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On this, the uh motion has been defeated. 7 to 8, with Councillors Ward, Johnston, Clark, Jameson, Tyre, Shabot, Wynass, and McLean opposed. you. All right, so we will We will now move to 9.4.6. Notice of motion, local area plan review to reintroduce limited scale. Over to you, Councillor Shabot. Okay, go with not bad. Where are you? All right, everybody please mute unless you are Deputy Mayor Shabot. Please mute. Thank you. Thank you. Um I believe uh Madam Clerk has the revised notice of motion. If we could put it up on the screen. I've taken the time to forward this to all members of council. Um I uh worked uh quite extensively with the administration to refine this to something that's um uh something we can actually move forward with uh with uh without in Without hopefully incurring too much of a cost, but still a scoping report in regards to the Chinook uh aspect. But we heard from a number of different individuals through the original motion to to blank it to introduce RCG throughout the city, um, specifically in relations to the to the Chinook LAP, and we heard uh pretty much the same thing from More or less the same group of people through the repealing of the Chinook LAP about very specific areas. Mission Road was one, I think 50th Avenue was the other one. But again, not looking to actually approve this yet, but at least to find out what it would cost to actually undertake this work. The other aspect of this was what I was trying to do, which was to bring all the LAPs into alignment. Alignment with the Westbrook as well as the heritage LAPs. The North Hill LAP was one of the first ones that was approved and And it um there were learnings from it that were then implemented in the Westbrook and Heritage LAP that provided, I guess, more specificity with regards to the low density limited scale. Section 2.2.1.6, I believe, has been replicated throughout all of the LAPs, and uh that's essentially what I'm trying to reintroduce into those LAPs that were approved after the blanket zoning had gone through. So essentially trying to bring all the LEPs into compliance, um, into alignment, uh, so that we at least have some. some I guess equity throughout our LEPs before or as we move forward with new LAPs. And then at least then we know we have baseline information on all of them that can be replicated in any subsequent LAPs. So Just trying to level set everything here with this process with the limited um engagement on the um on the amendment to reintroduce um uh uh low density limited scale back into the LAPs as per section 2.2 point one point six. Uh and um I here I am open and if there's any questions um I'll try and address them in my close. I think I pretty much covered everything. Thank you. Councillor Ward has uh seconded the motion, and I'll just weigh in very briefly. Uh uh perhaps for administration, just internal resource capacity for this. We've we've heard some concerns on the the previous LAP item. Um do you have any thoughts or recommendations on this? The uh thank you, Mayor. The work to do reintroduce section 2.2.1.6 will be done uh through an inform only, which means that our team would absorb that and there would be very minimal um mailing expenses, as an example would be the only expenses incurred through that work. Uh the second piece, which is a scoping report, would come forward with what it would cost to do that work, resources, and time. Is your early estimate that this is a relatively challenging piece of work? Uh the first part, 2.2.1.6, we can do that, um, and it is not. Outside the current team's capacity to do that work and bring that back, I believe it specifies in the notice of motion when to bring it back to council. I think it's by the end of Q4 2026. The second one, which is just to bring the scoping report that would require additional resources, or instead of going on and doing a new local area plan at the end of the three that we are doing right now. we would then move into doing that work if council so um chose to direct us to do that. And for my own education at least, can you? Tell us a bit more about the why of this incongruency that Councillor Shabot is uh pointing to. Yeah, so Councillor Chabot's correct. Following citywide rezoning, we did not include locational criteria for where row housing would be permitted inside local area plans, as the citywide rezoning, the land use on the ground, essentially leveled that it would go in all places that was that local neighborhood scale. In the previous local area plans, Westbrook, North Hill, and West and Heritage Communities, we have very specific criteria of where row housing can and cannot occur. And if someone came forward and said we wanted to put this in this location and it did not meet the intent of that policy, administration had been bringing forward refusals to council for those applications. And so the incongruency between the two was just around timing. What he's proposing is to ensure that the same policies included in Westbrook and heritage communities are now included in the five that followed the adoption of citywide rezoning in 2024. Okay, great. Thank thank you for that. Um colleagues are very happy to support this. Um thank you, Deputy Mayor Shabot for bringing forward. Over to Councillor Kelly, please. Thanks. Uh yeah, I think we will all agree that uh by changing the blanket rezoning policy, some changes are gonna need to be made to local area plans. That that that I think make uh makes sense to me. Um maybe to administration just in terms of to get uh uh to get a little bit of clarity for myself before casting a vote here. Um No resource requirements for this. Like there's no budget asking here, but I just wanted to make sure no resource requirements, all the work that's currently being done still gets done, etc. No resource requirements on amend so the first that section A, which is to amend the others based off of that policy 2.2.1.6. The scoping report for Chinook will outline the resource requirement and budgets associated with it. But you have the budget to be able to do that scoping report. We do. Okay. Um second question, I guess I still to admit. Um municipal development plan. I'm just looking at the timing here. Again, as we all know, in terms of the hierarchy of planning, municipal development plan, local area plan, zoning bylaw. Um, is it fair to say that any changes to the municipal development plan? Will likely end up or could end up uh creating some required or suggested changes to local area plans. All plans cut stemming from that hierarchy, Councillor Kelly, you are correct, they must be in alignment. So one because we would take the the today, if there are no plans in place, no local area plans, we would default to the municipal development plan. And so the municipal development plan must work in conjunction with the local area plan. If you're asking if the Calgary Plan or the current municipal development plan will cause changes, the current municipal development plan does not, because they are functioning today in congruency. If the Calgary Plan was proposing something that would impact the local area plans, it is highly unlikely that we would bring something like that forward because we must have them work together. So sorry, we must have them marked together, but it would be highly unlikely. We would bring something forward in the Calgary plan that would require amendments to all, because that means that every plan, not just local area plans, every area redevelopment plan, area area structure plan, anything that's out of compliance with our municipal development plan must be brought into compliance. So just to dig in that a little bit deeper, then uh like any changes that we bring forward at the Calgary plan stage will have to be in alignment with the local area plan. I asked because I thought it was the other way around. They would just so that we're very clear the municipal development plan would influence the policies of the local area plan. So, for example, if a policy inside the Calgary plan said that you know nodes and corridors were where we wanted to intensify, then the local area plans in place. Would likely be in compliance. We would take a look and make sure that everything is in compliance. And if it wasn't, for whatever reason, we would need to bring an amendment forward. But for example, the MDP must be the governing document there. Thank you. That that that was my understanding as well. And I just wanted to confirm to take taking a look at the timeline here then um can you remind us when uh m MDP is scheduled? I think we're getting uh um uh our first look at it in June, but when are we sort of scheduled to do a fulsome debate and uh and finalize that document? So the draft Calgary Plan is out now, so you should all be looking at it now. And we will be with counsel for that June strategic session. The anticipated is in Q1 of 2027 to bring forward the Calgary plan for approvals. Where I'm kind of getting at in terms here when I take a look at this is that while I'm supportive that yes, we obviously need to make these changes. I'm not sure. Maybe Councillor Chabot can can sort of address this in your in your clothes a little bit, that the timing feels a little bit squirrely to me in terms of it. Because ideally, I think that as we discovered from the blanket rezoning when we made changes there, it meant that some changes were needed to be made to the local area plans. I would expect that if we make some changes to the municipal development plan, we might need to make some changes to these as well. And I'd hate for us to go and do a bunch of engagement related to the uh related to this, including the informational uh bit, uh, and then immediately have to turn around X number of months later and then have to do the same exercise over again. Uh so yeah, if you wouldn't if you wouldn't mind uh speaking to that, Councillor Chabot, in terms of this, uh, because I think that'll uh either I I'm I'm I'm willing to make forward an amendment on the timeline to align with the MDP, or um it might it might influence my decision here because certainly I wouldn't want to engage multiple times on virtually the same thing. Um maybe I'll leave it there, your worship. Thank you. Councillor Atkinson, please. Today, inside those plans, there is no site requirements that differentiate any of the low density forms. And so what the notice of motion is is attempting to put into place is to make everything consistent with Westbrook and Heritage, which essentially has locational criteria for where row housing would be permitted to go. Today, in those five plans, row housing could go anywhere. It will still require a land use amendment post August 4th to achieve a row house if the RCG land use is not on the ground. And so It I guess just I in a similar vein, kind of to sort of where Councillor Kelly was, why why what's the benefit of having this baked into the local area plan at that scale rather than at a higher scale that if we're trying to create consistency across all local area plans, why not put roll it into the Calgary plan at a higher level and apply it across all IPs and remove the definition at the local area plan level instead have it live at a Citywide level, if we're trying to just get the consistency. So that if we wanted to make changes in the future, we're not having to modify it across multiple LAPs. Uh can't through the chair. The feedback from communities and communities were engaged on where row housing would be, even in the ones that are not included, except for the West Elbow Local Area Plan. We asked during the creation of those five LEPs. Where is the appropriate place for row housing? At the time, the feedback is very, very consistent, exactly where you heard during repeal on the end blocks, on nodes and corridors, on higher order roads. And so this would make that all consistent with one another. It's unlikely if you go through the Calgary plan that you will see that level of detail on where some housing would go versus others at that level of detail. That is why we don't include that in the Calgary Plan. We would only include it in that light yellow color, which essentially is residential. And it's all residential. It doesn't even say multifamily or high or low, it's just residential. Yeah. Okay. Um and then uh just a piece that you touched on for a second there that had me a bit concerned. You just mentioned that there's a piece in here that potentially stalls out a future LAP if we like we would maybe not pursue one of the three future LAPs and for some of the work in here. So the scoping report will come back to council, which is to do some amendments to the Chinook local area plan. That is unresourced work. It will be included in the scoping report to tell you how much it will cost, how many people it will take. If council directs administration to do that right away with no additional budget, it would mean that we would put that into our local area planning program as the next local area plan that we would go back and amend. Yeah, got it. Okay, perfect. Thank you. Yeah. All right, I believe we're back to Councillor Shabot to close. Yes, thank you. Um yeah, good uh good discussion. Thanks for um bringing up some of those concerns. I I guess I'm just gonna start out by saying. Even if we put in locational criteria, that doesn't prevent somebody from coming forward with an application. Administration won't support it, but that doesn't mean council can't. And so there's been times when things have gone forward and CPC has recommended refusal, and times when CPC's remend recommended approval, and council's gone completely the other way. In fact, there's provisions in the MGA that allows us to do that. That notwithstanding whatever council approves is a standing as a policy, including statutory documents, council still has the ability to approve what they believe is. is appropriate on on any given land use. And as was pointed out by Dr. Goldstein, the uh the higher order um document would typically talk more about Uh projected density, sustainability, walkability, those kind of things. It doesn't get down into the granular level that that LAPs uh gets to. And I'm just trying to build some consistency to make sure that that even our MDP is uh at least even it's even its high level still recognizes that level of granularity within the LAPs. So it doesn't prevent it. It it may speak to it, but but at a high level. So I'm not looking at creating some conflicts here. Administration is not going to bring forward a plan, a municipal development plan, that is in conflict with every single statutory document that we've got approved. They will bring something that's in alignment with it, but albeit at a high level, maybe even reaching for higher type densities, but not being specific. Um and the the Chinook LAP You know, I there's several others that that I could have probably brought forward, but I thought um you know what, let's just start out with looking at one where we heard quite a bit of of input in both the pre and post implementation of RCG citywide. Um that I thought would be worthwhile exercise to look at doing a scoping exercise to see what it would cost to reassess it. There may be others, I'm sure there's others that will want to do the same thing, but at least if council has an idea what it's gonna cost to, you know, reassess even one of them, even though it's in a very limited capacity, because they were very specific, uh, the folks that came and spoke to us about where uh they felt that that council had uh exceeded what they believed was was uh appropriate densities. And they the basis, of course, is that they they were saying. In all the other LEPs, the baseline was single family. In these ones, the baseline was RCG and it went up from there, which is why they think it was too high density that was proposed. Anyways, hope you can support this. I believe it's mostly belts and braces, but uh uh again, if not, we'll have to look at another process, I guess, to bring them all into alignment. Closed. Thank you. Um Madam Clerk, let's engage the e vote on that. Councillor Clark, your vote please. Thank you. Councillor Dollywall, your vote, please. No, Thank you. Councillor Kelly, thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. Okay, on that the motion is carried 13 to 2 with councillors Kelly and Daly well opposed. That concludes 946. I believe 947 was uh withdrawn. We're going now to 948 Notice of Motion Charitable Partner Program for Community Association Infrastructure. I'll go to Councillor Ward in a moment to introduce. And Deputy Mayor Chabot, would you mind taking the chair? I'm hoping to second this motion. Okay. Over to you, uh Councillor Ward. Yes, um so this notice of motion uh it's about creating a new funding stream. It's not about creating a new funding stream, it's about creating a mechanism that unlocks private, uh, philanthropic, and corporate dollars for community infrastructure, dollars that we currently leave on the table because there is no simple or compliant way for donors to give. Um, so sort of why this matters, there's over 120 community associations and nearly 60 social recreation operate operators running facilities on city owned land. Many of the buildings. Especially in my ward, are 40 to 60 years old and require major life cycle work right now. Without intervention, they risk closure service reductions and inequitable access to community spaces. The volunteer model is breaking down. Boards are struggling to manage engineering reports, capital planning, grant writing, and contractor oversight. And over 75 community associations in our city right now have board vacancies. Volunteers are burning out, and the administrative burden is just unsustainable. Um communities are willing to raise money, but the system blocks them. Right now there's no simple, scalable way for individuals, corporations, Or philanthropic organizations to donate to a community hall or arena and receive a charitable tax receipt. The city is already a qualified donee under CRA rules. We simply haven't built a framework to use that status to support community infrastructure. So this actually reduces pressure on our municipal capital budgets. Every dollar raised privately is a dollar that the city doesn't need to spend. So the program helps communities help themselves without digging into our budget. It supports equity across neighborhoods. Communities with lower fundraising capacity are often the ones with the most aging infrastructure. So a city-enabled charitable partner program levels the playing field by providing a consistent, transparent mechanism for all communities. When residents can invest directly in their local facilities, it builds ownership, pride, and long term sustainability. It aligns with our council priorities. It's community well being, active living, resilient neighborhoods, and leveraging partnerships. And I will leave one last note for my close. But Happy to move. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you, Deputy Mayor. I'm very happy to second the motion. I I want to say a giant thank you to Councillor Ward and bring this forward. I believe that I'm not sure if it's still the case, but I believe Ward 11 has when you tally up more the the level of community associations, but not just the CAs, but also the the associated community uh organiz the grassroots community organizations, the the social groups, the recreation groups, the uh Girl Guides organizations, the Boy Scouts organizations, all of the various philanthropic uh and not for profit organizations that otherwise do not have. Well, maybe the the guides are the exception of the ones I listed, but the vast majority of organizations that are doing this critical work currently out in the organ uh community are not eligible or do not receive charitable status. And this is not knocking their core uh philanthropic endeavors. For many of them, they they certainly could, but they, based on uh their reliance on volunteers, don't have that uh ability from Uh frankly, just a resourcing standpoint. So for many of these organizations to jump through the hoops to be compliant with the community or rather with the CRA in order to get their charitable status, this is an incredible barrier to entry for a lot of these organizations, especially if they uh want to spend more of their time being focused on the benefit of the community rather than going through the paperwork. There's a couple organizations I'm familiar with, like the Palace or Bayview Pump Hill CA, that did go through the process of becoming a charitable organization, but it imposed a lot of limitations that. Otherwise, impeded their ability to do work, and I speak to that with first hand knowledge, not just as the local Councillor, but also a former director of the board of that organization. So very thrilled to support this. I also see it to be complementary to some of the work that's being done right now with other funders. Many of you are aware that the Parks Foundation, as an example, has a similar program to this, where for very specific projects, they are the intake for these donations, where instead of donating to a specific, say, uh pump track organization, you donate to the Parks Foundation and that flow through is provided to the organization on a capital basis. So this is seen to be, I really see this as complementary. Also of note is I believe in 2022 or 2023 there was a significant change in the interpretation from the CRA in that it used to be that to flow through donations like this, you also had to be a qualified donee. But right now there's some latitude that's now being uh uh granted uh for charitable organizations, uh not just not-for-profits, but also municipalities, to accept a donation, issue the tax receipt, and also flow it through uh with a little bit looser interpretation in terms of what the uh uh the the beneficial good is at the end of the day. So long story short, there's been some legislative changes that ultimately have allowed this to be. done a little bit more easily today than otherwise if we had attempted it five or ten years ago. So to the central point though that uh Councillor Ward made, just want to reinforce that this is a way um at this point, just reviewing the options, there may be some cost that the cities uh potentially could incur If we are to administer this program as a city or to perhaps find a partner to administer the framework, but this time we don't know what those costs are, and this is simply exploring that. We're not locked in to doing this, but I think seeking the information about what this would cost and what the cost-benefit uh would be makes a lot of sense. But central to Councillor Ward's point, though, is that this could potentially unlock a significant amount of funding, not just from uh the private sector and philanthropic uh uh individuals or businesses out in the community, but also from major funders. So there's many major organizations right now who will only provide grants to qualified uh charitable organizations. So, in short, if you want a major grant, you must yourself be a charity in order to receive the grant. So this is actually a way that potentially the city could be the receiver for the purposes of these grants. So it's not just smaller donations that I think could be unlocked here, but some very significant bigger uh gifts at the end of the day. So Let's be creative in terms of how we find uh how we turn over rocks, try to find more resources, make the existing funding go and go further, and that's what all this uh motion is about. So, council colleagues strongly urge you to support this. Uh, these social recreation organizations, these community associations who do the work their work, many hundreds of them every single day uh throughout the city of Calgary, incredibly worthy of our support, and let's find more ways to be able to uh address their needs while addressing what may be some of our own legal, financial, and administrative risks. Mayor Farkas. Councillor Pantasopoulos. You have Thanks. the floor. Thanks so much. And thanks for bringing this forward. I think I love the focus on capital. Um, as every day the buildings get a little more and more. They get age and there's time. A question for admin, where I'm thinking from a city of Calgary, being a flow-through agent, as you think through, any thoughts about a duty of care to know what the end use is? You know, fundamentally, I'm thinking if if a CA has a use, $100, is there a diligence requirement? Fundamentally, is there a risk to us losing our charitable status if we gave it to somebody and it was a for profit entity? Paying a you can just go down this path. Maybe just sort of think through that how that would sort of work. And is there any learnings from a Oh my goodness. United Way. I mean they're a similar sort of program. But yeah, I'd love to hear your thoughts. How you'd address it as part of this scoping? Because I you might not have the answers today. Uh that's correct. I do not have those answers today. All of those questions, and likely many more, will be considered through the review and the assess and the assure alignment and report back components of this notice of motion. And those are the things we want to figure out in terms of what is the best recommended structure in terms of a city approach or a partner approach, or how how is the best way to implement this so that we can answer those questions clearly in our report back. Perfect. And the definition of social recreation organization, is that a defined term in city? That's correct. So those are the organizations that are similar to community associations that are also supported by the Neighborhood Partnership Coordination Program. Okay. So it's not just necessarily big rec centers. It could be something. Slightly different. Yeah. So there's What would be an example? I'm just curious. Like what would be one uh the Pioneers, Southern Alberta Pioneers Association that has a license of occupation for a facility. So similar to a community association, but more directed towards a specific social recreation outcome. and and there would be ways obviously to expand this, not just their buildings, but city-owned-I think that's it. Where they have a lease or something, they're looking to raise some money. It's our building, but Think of a uh rec center. You know, ultimately they they're gonna raise 100 million, it's our building, but uh the it could go on there as well. It's it's like it's just not gonna be restricted as your scoping to restrict it to just their buildings, it could be potential city of Calgary assets. Yeah, so as I understand the notice of motion, and I'd look to the mover to clarify. But our focus would be on those organizations that have a license of occupation, like community associations or social rec organizations, who typically don't have the capacity or access to those kinds of donations. I I just hope as part of this, you know, I'd love to hear the the the mover. Uh if we were to ever lose our charitable status or tax status for some implication, what would be the detrimental impact to the city of Calgary? Or is it we just don't really use that as as often as we could or should? I'm not sure I have an answer to that question, but certainly the implications of the flow through through the city and what the risks of that approach are would be covered in our report back. Okay. Great. Just a couple of points. Um and I In light of the work that'll be coming back, um, one of the key components from a charity perspective is the aspect around uh restrictions. And so dollars have to be donated. There can be certain uh general parameters, and I believe that'll be included in the document in terms of what is the direction capability. But where people often get in trouble with their charity status is when it becomes more restricted, and at that point it's no longer a donation for the use, it's uh almost a flowback of value back to the group or the person who was donating it. And that's one of the biggest risks in situations where organizations fall into trouble with their charitable status. So those will be some of the elements that are highlighted in terms of uh what does the flow look like, um, where it can be directed, and how that looks. And then also another big element of donations and charity reporting is all around the reporting back. So the infrastructure we would have in place to say these are the dollars that were received, these are the dollars that flowed out, and for what purpose, how we hold the dollars, how the dollars are treated, is there an interest in aspect to them, and what we have to do with those until they're released or until they're spent. Um, those are a lot of the questions that um will have to flow through and and get that understanding, as well as the engine that'll be required behind it. Because right now, uh the city of Calgary does not do a lot of donations. I have a very small number on my screen, I won't yell it out, but uh we don't take a lot of donations right now, so therefore we don't really have infrastructure behind it. So part of this will be an understanding of what does that look like and also the timeliness. So if you're taking 20 donations in a period of time versus several hundred, what does that look like with the responsiveness, those types of things? And usually in the space of receiving donations, there's an expectation sometimes from donors that there's also uh reporting back on a regular basis about this is what we've done, this is the flow through. So all of that will have to be considered uh when that document is put together in terms of what would be required. Great. You're thinking of all the potential risks back to the city and uh to see if we can get a good outcome. Thanks so much, and thank you for uh bringing forward this notice of motion. Thank you. Thanks, Councillor Pantasopoulos. Councillor Kelly. Uh Thank you, Deputy Mayor. I couldn't find the donate button on the Calgary.ca website, Mr. Tucker. If you want to point me in that direction, I'll happily make a $20 donation to water bottles or something. I really want to thank uh Councillor Ward for bringing this forward. You're at what 40 to 60 years? Ward for is a little more 50 to 75. So like uh and as a former community association president, like I've been through it. Like that is absolutely uh correct. It is incredibly difficult to be able to be able to do these things. Uh and uh inevitably we as community associations end up spending a lot of time trying to partner with other organizations in order to be able to find some way to be able to accept uh uh some form of donation. most of the time that's incredibly difficult. And as a result, we end up not being able to not being able to do it. Um Maybe I'll answer just Councillor Panasopoulos asked a question earlier just about some of the like you mentioned United Way. United Way, for example, most of the donations that flow into them as a registered charity then flow out to another registered charity. So it is, it's not quite the same thing, but this is a little bit perhaps more akin to something that the Calgary Foundation does with the neighbor grants, etc. I think that there's uh the what I uh when Councillor Ward first brought this to me is I I was immediately in. I was like, this is an absolute no-brainer for us to be able to look at this, figure out what options we may have on the table. And one thing I wanted to point out here that uh uh uh that no one else has brought up yet is uh is the key points in bullet point number uh one, I believe it is, where this is about a city administered or a partnership administered program. That I think is exactly the right way for us to look at this. The city it might make a ton of sense for us to do this, or it might make sense to partner with an organization without uh such as the Federation of Calgary Communities not putting any uh uh uh uh promises on them or anything like that, making them make them fulfill anything. But uh I I appreciate the fact that this is actually this has been worded, constructed in such a way that is relatively wholesome that will pr provide us an opportunity to take a look at all the options that are out there. And uh I will maybe say to all my colleagues here, I I hope that you can get on board uh and support this, because uh this is the kind of thing I I would certainly hope could uh have a 15 to nothing vote. Thank you, Chair. Councillor Kelly. Uh up next, Councillor McClain. Thanks uh this is again, thank you, uh Councillor Ward, for bringing this forward. It continues actually a lot of work that my office started two, three years ago. There's a community association, they actually need our help. These are the people that volunteer, they need funding. And there's one I'm going to talk broad strokes, but it's a community association in my ward that the rink was going broke, they didn't have money for a Zamboni. They were selling advertising and so I worked with them to sell advertising. I bought some myself. And they said, why can't we just have a big organization sponsor this and put their name on it? Which then there was a very successful business owner who skated on that exact rink said, I'll pony up this much money. And we've been working on getting this done so that the city can work with donors to do naming rights, anything we could do to fund these organizations. But you know what the kicker was. At the very end the checks ready to go, but they wanted a tax receipt. That was what was slowing down a lot of this work. So this is perfect. Um this allows then the donut uh the you know, corporations, businesses, developers, whatever. Uh it's good for everybody. So this is just fantastic. It's just I think there's one more piece of the puzzle to help out our community associations. So again, thanks again. And if uh like Councillor Kelly says, of course, that's uh let's all support this. Thank you, Councillor McClain. Uh Councillor Harrison, you're up. Laser. Yeah. Um really wanted, of course, to also take a moment just to uh acknowledge Councillor Ward's efforts here. I think it's fantastic. I also represent a number of uh aging community associations who've all highlighted very similar concerns. I think something that's we haven't maybe highlighted as much yet, which I'd love to just draw our attention to is how many small businesses and local people to their communities would love the opportunity to jump in, and this is how they can do that. So really want to acknowledge um the barrier that you're breaking down and uh the space that you're creating for that uh for new types of community connection to occur. Um and uh so very pleased to support this, and uh it sounds like we probably all will. So very good. Thanks. Thank you, Councillor Harrison. Uh Councillor Atkinson, you're up. Um, does city administration have we ever done this where we've stood up an organization to be sort of uh a flow through? Like as far as I'm aware, like the Parks Foundation wasn't something that the city created or the federation, I don't think is also something that the city created. I've just I don't know if we have um any examples of like the city sort of standing up a uh N not a municipal yeah, I guess municipally controlled corporations, I guess, are is one sort of vehicle, but like yeah, when when we think of these sort of support organizations more so. I'm not sure if I have an answer specifically to have we stood up an organization to do this. However, we do know that organizations like the Federation and the Parks Foundation do have charitable donation programs, and as part of our assessment, we'll be reaching out to them to see what works and what advice they have and what pathways we might might want to leverage. Um I yeah, I think this is good. I my only concern is I go back actually to um The it was a couple months ago we were voting on uh the I don't remember the name of the program, the extension of of where Scenic Acres is able to pay a little bit more into their property taxes and Councillor Shabot. Sorry? Yes, Helms, that's right. Um And and you're able like and you we have then we then potentially create disparity between the neighborhoods that have uh greater ability to pay. Um and I just worry my concern here would be that I mean we have an obligation to make sure that we don't let neighborhoods that are not able to fundraise in the same capacities. Uh so how do we gain that benefit not just for those communities that are able to fundraise for themselves, uh, but for the city as a whole, right? And so, and actually, how do we even leverage the neighborhoods that are able to fundraise more so that those that cannot fundraise can be helped out more and in a more timely fashion? That's that's a piece that I'm concerned with. Uh, and I this just really sort of sent me back to that Elms discussion. I it's it's one piece that I'm I'm concerned about. I think doing the work and hearing the end result of this, I'm interested in that piece. Uh, but that is that is something that I will be looking for, I think, in that end result would be just how we make sure that equity and equitable results uh are baked into the results of a process like this. Thank you, Councillor Atkinson. I'm gonna throw myself into this discussion, and I too want to thank um uh all of the um the movers of this motion, Councillor Ward, co um Mayor, uh Farkas, uh Council McClain, Councillor Kelly, and uh Councillor Clark for bringing this forward. It's um it's been something that uh I've struggled with over the years and how to assist communities. Um in delivering on some some core infrastructure needs, including improvements to playgrounds. Um, I've helped community associations fundraise specifically to to make improvements to some of those playgrounds. And we recently heard from administration how far behind we are on on upgrading some of our community facilities, our our playground facilities, and if this is a way of actually accelerating that, and I don't care if it's going into a community that that has deeper pockets than others, because if it does, it'll actually create room in other places. So for me, that's I think it's a win win. I think it's a great idea. It's uh something I've actually discussed with other folks um uh uh fairly recently about how other municipalities in other parts of the world actually provide funding. Uh for community type amenities. So I think this is innovative. It's a great idea. It is something, like I say, that other uh um places in the world are actually utilizing. I think it's it's high time we get on board on to initiatives like this. Ultimately, how it gets administered is something that's gonna come back to us, and I think it's uh it's a great idea and I I too want to thank the movers for bringing this forward. Happy to support it. Back to you to close, Councillor Uh Ward. Yes. Um, I'll try to cover some of the questions that came up here. So um the question of equity of donations, I think that's a valid point. And my hope would be that the communities that are able to acquire more don donations would then dip into the pool of grants and other sources of funding less to open up those sources for the communities that are not getting as much donations. So I I would just hope that uh you know the the disparity or the equity with donations would help balance through other means of funding. Um in terms of the the questions around, you know, can we get ourselves into trouble with this, th that that's part of all of this. I mean, uh just as an example for Events like golf tournaments, for example, that's the world I came from. Um a lot of people don't know the rules where if you're if you're donating to a golf tournament and then you're receiving recognition upon the grounds of the event, that's not allowed. You don't get a tax receipt when you're not supposed to. But some people still issue them, that's not correct. Um in in speaking with businesses, at least in my world, many businesses are very much on board with this. They would love to donate. And when I sort of floated the idea past them of, you know, would you donate if we could issue a tax receipt? The answer was almost always a very enthusiastic yes. So um There's a lot of businesses that you can go to in your wards that I and I would suggest that us as counselors should go to those businesses and encourage them to support the communities that they are in. The cost is obviously a question that was brought up, and that's part of this review as well. That's why we left the option open for partner-administered as well. So if the cost is too high, we can look at partnerships. Last, I'll say this was endorsed by the Federation of Calgary Communities. They're very much on board with it. I held a meeting Monday night with 10 community association presidents, and this was the first time I informed them about this, and they were extremely enthusiastic about it. They were very excited for the opportunity for this. So I would encourage you to vote yes. I I think your community association presidents would be most appreciative. Thank you. Thank you, uh Clerk, Madam Clerk, if you can open up the east card, please. Councillor Jameson, your vote please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Kelly, your vote please. Hell yes. Thank you. Deputy Mayor Chabot, all the votes are in. Uh please display the results. And that is carried unanimously. Thank you, everyone. Mayor Farkas, I assume you're gonna be taking the chair. All right, I believe uh Councillor Johnston, you're up next on the notice of motion on fair timing for question period. Uh yeah, I sent my summary of my debate around to our city council. It's pretty simple. I saw a potential issue with our policy and current question period um selection, I guess. Um I feel what I'm bringing here just makes it fair for everybody. Um, instead of uh a rush to hit RTS QP. You now have the chance from nine thirty until whenever question period is called to have your question Asked and if there's more than three questions asked, it just goes to a random draw. Um and so that to me allows us to see three in the queue, but be like, well, if I put my fourth in there, I'll also have a chance of asking a question. Um, so it's just a simple policy change and just makes it fair for everybody and removes a bit of the rush to the RTS. So um to me it should be simple. Vote yes if you agree with it, no if you don't. Alright, is there a seconder, please? Second by Councillor Kelly. Yeah, I'll I'll jump in. I think this is fair and equitable. Uh thanks for bringing it forward. Anyone else? Deputy Mayor? Um well I appreciate the the sentiment. Um I have to uh see I've been probably the beneficiary of of many question period questions, maybe 'cause I'm quick on the queue and there are times when I've wanted to ask a question, but I didn't make it on time to be first in the queue and that was that was on me. And so what I ended up doing is submitting a a an administrative inquiry. So there are other ways of asking questions without having to be in the queue for question period. So for me, I don't see why we need to do this. So I personally will not be supporting it. Uh I apologize, Councillor Atkinson. Uh we leap for OG. Uh just wondering with city clerks, any concern with doing the random draw and just like the implementation and slowing down slow council meetings. Thanks for the question, Councillor Atkinson. Um, through the chair. Not not a concern, but I think you've just highlighted the one thing that will happen, right? Um, and that will be executing the random draw manually while the council meeting is ongoing. So it will stop your proceedings. Um it'll depend on how many members are in the queue. That will determine the speed of conducting the random draw, but that's not a concern, just an awareness. Okay, thank you. And if I may, just as chair, I'd I'd suggest that there's a significant gap most times between 9 30 a.m. when the uh entries would happen and when we actually get to question period with opening remarks, recognitions, uh, and so on. Uh Councillor Clark, please. Yes, thank you, Chair. Um just curious, um, Madam Clerk, if what the history is of the way things are today in terms of the three questions and the banging of the gavel and what's the tradition there? Thank you for the question, um, Councillor Clark, through the chair. So I have been in this role now for just over five years, and in my entire time here, um, the question period process has been facilitated using the Microsoft Teams. It is a long standing tradition that it begins following the banging of the gavel. Uh pre COVID um members of council entered the queue using their panels, I believe. So the practice has been in place and it always began with the banging of the gap, so that's a bit of a tradition. And have we ever faced a scenario where like we've looked to move away from it? I mean, it sounds like the technologies have evolved and so we've sort of worked to but is is there any record and I understand I'm putting you on the spot to like Oh not Over the last hundred and ten years have we looked to has anyone looked to make this kind of adjustment before? Not to my knowledge, no one has looked to change the process within the procedure bylaw. The one practice that I am familiar with from the past term is when more than three questions were entered in the queue. A member did make a motion to suspend the rules in order to allow a fourth question. So that was not a change in the overall rules within the procedure by law, but it was a recognition that an additional question could be asked. So then the rule was temporarily suspended. Very good. Thank you so much. You're very welcome. It if I may, just for history, I'm gonna s I'm gonna say unless there's an objection, let's uh hear from Councillor Chabot. Hearing no I want to say it wasn't always at the bang of the gavel. It used to be um when you could put on your RTS, you could put on your RTS even before the meeting started. So sometimes in the past I would get here early, early and turn on my light, my RTS, and then it would go on to the panel in the queue that it was entered. And so that'd come in to council chambers sometimes at like 8 30 and there's already three lights on. So just so you know, it wasn't always just at the banging of the gavel. Deputy Mayor, you just admitted to being late to meetings. Just kidding. Uh I think we've exhausted the queue. Uh Councillor Johnson, please, to close. Yeah, sorry, just to uh Shabot, this encourages you to be here on time at 9 30, right? And but it removes the unfairness of how the system currently works. And to me, this is just Basic policy procedure. We find something that doesn't work, we fix it, and we move on. So I would appreciate the support on this. And uh we'll just go forward. Thank you. All right, man, Clerk. Uh let's engage the evote, please. Councillor Kelly, your vote, please? Yes. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried. 11 to 4, with counselors Dallywall, Schmidt, Clark, and Chabot opposed. All right, uh, we're on 9410, notice of motion rescinding the climate emergency declaration. Uh Councillor Johnston, are you moving this one? All right. Is it or is it Deputy Marshabot? Okay. Oh, Councillor Johnston, are you there? Yeah. Councillor Johnston, please go ahead. Yeah, again, I present my debate on this. I don't this has already gone through council. Uh a lot of those questions were asked and answered in September. I I think I even provided uh the video clips. If I didn't I apologize, but um again, this is about one simple thing, and that's just about um Highlighting honestly a lot of the good this city does with our current climate action plan, which existed before the climate declaration. It exists now and it'll exist in the future. And again, there's a lot of good things this city does. We do not need a label or symbolic gesture to do good things. The second thing is that this has created a bit of a cloud over. The system that already exists. And I believe removing that cloud will allow the system to operate freely, more freely, and uh we can actually get more done for what the climate action plan already does. And again, a lot of that has to do with flood mitigation, um, groundwater um help. And again, this is just sending an example that we can be actionable over symbolic. And again, I sent pre sent a lot of my debate, so I'm just gonna leave it there. Um, if we wanna. Ask questions, I include I I encourage us to do so. So All right, uh, that's been seconded by Councillor Shabot. Over to you, Councillor Shabot. Yeah, well obviously I'm happy to support this motion. It's something that uh I tried to institute uh or initiate last term um and uh and I did commit to bringing it back. I I wanted to do a deeper dive into all of this um and uh insofar as how much was spent, how much was collected, uh if any of it was related specifically to a climate emergency. Um I did find out that that through At least three different locations that that the information in so far as uh the monetary implications is already exists. And um what what I wanted to explore further, which I'm hoping to introduce uh at some point for maybe the 2027 through the audit committee, is maybe a further investigation to see how um it Whether or not this has been embedded further within the organization. I've already heard from administration that it that they don't believe that it has. Uh but again I'd like to find out uh from our independent internal auditor whether or not they could further investigate whether or not um the concept around climate emergency has uh has been embedded uh in other areas of the city that could potentially have monetary implications. I don't know the answer to that. And uh and I don't think it's necessary that we investigate that today. I want to further explore that with the administration on how to scope that out to make sure that. that uh it's something that uh council's um willing to at least investigate. But for today, um I'm happy with just uh the removal of the declaration 'cause uh some of the connotations associated with an emergency sort of implies that that we will do everything w within our power to eliminate The emergency. The in original intent from my understanding is this was supposed to help to leverage additional federal and and or uh other daughter dollars. Um our climate action strategy ultimately is what ended up securing some of those additional dollars, uh which I think which is why I think it's appropriate to you know focus more on our climate uh uh action plan or our climate strategy uh as opposed to climate emergency. Uh but following uh this decision. I would like to introduce a notice of motion, or I mean a motion arising, specifically because some of the information that's available so that the general public could actually look at a single point within our website and go, here are all the answers. And that's what I want to do. I want to consolidate all of the information in regards to funding, expenditures, and one portal so that it's easy to navigate our website to actually find all the information, as opposed to trying to navigate a bunch of through a whole bunch of different reports. Preempting that you know with the my no s my motion arising uh my did circulate members of the council just recently. I was having some issues with my email, but the clerks has it. I believe that they can put that up later. But uh happy to support this. Hope uh rest of the council can support it as well. All right, uh, I'd like to bring in Ms. Newton, uh, if you don't mind. Uh could you tell us what the declaration functionally did within the organization? Because I I know that there's Well, a lot of uh really harmful misinformation, disinformation that was spread around this, even the number $87 billion. We heard that through the blanket rezoning hearing, we heard that through the public hearing. Maybe first question is there did the did the declaration incur a cost of $87 billion? And if so, where did the $87 billion go? And uh uh after you tell me, tell Mr. Tucker because I think he'd be keen to know too. Great, thank you for the question, Mayor. So what the declaration did when council declared it is it it set the new direction for us to update the strategy. And so what's most important here is that we have a strategy that aligns with federal targets. It is that alignment with the targets of other orders of government that have allowed us to access over $287 billion. So that that's that declaration and that update of the strategy really set a priority around this work in terms of risk reduction for the city, but really opened up that opportunity for additional. Money to be brought in. In terms of the $87 billion, we do not have an $87 billion strategy. That was the cost that was outlined for all for everyone to be able to address this challenge. So it was a it's a societal cost to be able to address this challenge. And lastly, to your question around transparency. We do report regularly on all of the financial spending with regards to the budget that council had approved. This is available on our website, but there's four loc there's four reports that come forward to council. That is our we report regularly through our annual budget process, as well as we have a climate related financial disclosure that is part of the city's larger annual report that recently actually came to council. Every two years, council receives a climate progress report. Your next report will be in the fall as well. And then we also have a public facing dashboard that outlines all the metrics that we're tracking and monitoring and the progress that's made through that. All of that is publicly available through Calgary.ca and we'll work with Councillor Chabot's office to kind of help tighten that up a little bit as well. And how do you uh interpret a rescinding of that declaration? Do you see it as impacting your work on a day-to-day basis in terms of actioning the priorities around as mentioned around the environment, flood mitigation, grants, other work that uh you and the great people that you get to work with do? I would say that rescinding the climate emergency is entirely council decision. What matters most is that council continues to support and fund and make progress through the climate strategy. It is that strategy that is a helps us able to access additional funding and support our community partners as well as city services to be able to reduce the risk. Calgary's experienced every climate hazard in the last two years or in the last five years. So it is happening more frequently and with more intense events. And so we have to prepare to respond to that. You heard from CEMA just recently as well that their disaster report also highlighted climate risk as being a high highlighted risk in their disaster report. So corporately, The declaration did bring together a cross-corporate focus, but also that is driven through the strategy to be able to deliver on that. But you don't this motion, you don't administration does not interpret this as altering your budget or otherwise fettering your ability to undertake the work that you are today. It's Is your interpretation that this is purely symbolic and it's not something that would impede your ability to access grants or the budget you have access to at present? Correct. Uh next one uh for Ms. Flown, if you don't mind. Uh and I'm probably gonna betray a little bit of uh my debate here, but I'm gonna ask uh how do you interpret the word emergency? Under which authorities was an emergency invoked? Uh was this a purely symbolic declaration? Were there certain Uh authorities that were otherwise seized under the the uh the auspices of an emergency. Uh tell me a little bit more about the grounding of what it means for a municipality to be in a state of emergency or to express an opinion about emergency under and under what acts and legal basis we can or or should or shouldn't do so. Sure. So the common reference to emergency in our organization is through a state of local emergency, which of course is dealt with under a different piece of legislation. It's not under the Municipal Government Act. And that can be used in very specific circumstances, and it gives a municipality very certain. Powers that it otherwise wouldn't have. And one example of using a state of local emergency was back in the 2013 flood when there was a need to declare a state of local emergency so that the city could take certain steps in order to address the danger or the emergency that was fast approaching. That is not what this is. This was not a state of local emergency. It was not a declaration of a state of local emergency. This really was a statement of a principle. It is couched in the purpose provisions of the Municipal Government Act. And it really is a statement of the values and priorities of the organization and from council. So there's no extra authorities or anything else that uh was justified corporately under expressing the opinion of being an emergency? No, there were no new authorities that attached. By chance, could you give maybe a few examples of what uh that emergency declaration can allow municipalities to do? I believe that there uh since the probably the four year gap in my time on council, there were some changes to the act as well, where I believe that you you can't you can no longer denare uh rather declare a generic state of emergency, but you have to declare it for the purposes of using a specific thing, whether it's uh seizing a form of production or using land temporarily to respond to a crisis or Around procurement. Uh d do I have that correct? I'm in the process of trying to pull up the act. It's the Emergency Management Act, and I haven't pulled it up in front of me, so I'm going to go off of my memory as well. It's exactly that. It's conscripting land in order to fight an emergency. You can think of a fire, and maybe you have to create a fire break and to draw something like that. It does provide some procurement authority that might not otherwise exist so that you could exponentially or expediently procure certain goods. I'm not familiar with us ever having done that, us being the city ever having done that, but that is also a power under that particular legislation. And that none of that was done under this. declaration of a climate emergency. And maybe Ms. Newton, did you have any uh follow-up you'd like to provide on the answer from Ms. Floom? Yes, thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to highlight that with regards to implication of removing a declaration. I think it's important for a council to just be aware that there is a reputational impact. We would be out of line with just over 600 Canadian municipalities. The council will join the declaration to follow a global movement. So just want you to be aware of that global that. I guess. Yeah, reputational impact. But as far as your question with regards to budgets and the strategy, that is in line with councils for your budget process. All right. Uh colleagues, thanks for indulging me on the line of questions. Uh you know, personally, I I see no issue with lifting the emergency declaration. I'm I'm uh came from uh the ranching sector. I was a leading environmental nonprofit uh before coming uh to my chair as the mayor of Calgary. I Strongly believe we need to take action on climate, on the environment, and hearing that this will not impact the City of Calgary's commitment corporately and the investment that we're making. I have no issues with that. And where my mind goes is in 2013, when the state of emergency was declared around the flood, uh the declaration of that emergency was required to convene the authorities in one place to coordinate a response. We lifted that state of emergency, but we used the learnings to inform. our um undertakings around flood mitigation on a go forward basis. So No one could say that because we've lifted the flood emergency or the state of emergency for the flood in 2013, that we're not taking flood mitigation seriously. This remains one of the top priorities for us as a city as you see a lot of the work that's being undertaken under the Bow and Elbow River. Similar with the state of emergency declaration in 2024 with the uh water main break. Uh that's that declaration was required to convene all of the folks in one place to be able to determine a course of action, and uh the state of emergency on that was lifted. But it's fair to say that uh we've supercharged the pipe and we're doing absolutely everything that we can to get that fixed. So, you know, for me, I think that this is this is pragmatic. I'm fully supported to continue our investment and action on climate, but I don't think it's more performance that's required at this point. I think it's action. And if this lifting of this declaration uh gets us closer to actually acting on this and having less uh performance, uh I'm all in favor of it. So, Councillor Clark, please. Jeez, okay, I'll try and follow that. Um Thank you, Chair. Um I've essentially wanted to a number of the questions that the mayor's asked uh are in line with sort of my line of questioning, what I was hoping to understand. So, because um we've heard a number of things over the last couple of days about this policy uh or this declaration. And I just wondered if somebody could offer a bit of how we got here. I understand that it was something that we initiated as part of a global movement you just said. Can you speak to that global movement? And I was we've also been told that we were the last to arrive at this conclusion. Can you speak to that as well? Yes, thanks, Councillor Clark. So I'm a I wasn't here for the whole history, but uh but you are correct. There was a global movement uh just around the recognition of climate change and the impacts that it's having on people, and particularly the role of that municipalities uh do play. I understand that there was a um a big city mayor's caucus that had taken place, um, and yes, Calgary was identified as one of the late players to the game. Uh we did we did have versions of a climate strategy dating back to probably the early 2000s, um, and they progressively have grown. We have matured in this space a lot, but um you know I think that Calgary has experienced we're in the top 10 of insured losses uh all across Canada. It's not a statistic to necessarily be proud of, but we are in a unique climate, different from some of our other neighboring municipalities in in where we experience drought fire uh wildfire smoke uh just through the winds. Water availability challenges, we have lots of challenges, and I think that really kind of drove the impetus to be able to join the global movement, update the strategy, and accelerate our work on this. And that that's exactly what the last council did. It was an acceleration of the work, and I think it has provided tremendous value for Calgaryans. Yeah, thank you. I think you've done a wonderful job also of sort of acknowledging the amount of effort that is required unique to Calgary to manage the climate and environmental concerns that are unique to us. I'm gonna sort of follow the line of questioning of the mayor in in some ways. Simply, has this delivered has the by making the declaration, has it delivered any income specific to making the declaration to the city of Calgary? Have have we been able to get anything out of it financially? So I'm I'm quite cautious to not tie the like the declaration, as I had mentioned, uh drove the update of the strategy. It is the strategy that has allowed us to access money. So, yes, we've been able to access over 287 million, and I just got another. Noticed today that we are receiving some additional money. And so it our commitment to GHG reductions as well as building resilience into our communities, both in city services, but as well as supporting Calgarians, does open up the opportunity to access funds. It also does require, in some cases, some matching funding or a proportional amount from the city as well. So I think for council, the importance to continue to fund and support this work will allow us to be able to access additional dollars. Yeah, and so you said the declaration was um able to accelerate the strategy. And so I just want to be really clear in this that it's the strategy that's delivered the results of the $287 million and new income, right? Is that correct? It's our efforts there. Now, did by implementing the declaration, did we did council at the time uh throw like put money towards this as part of that to accelerate it, or was it just making the statement was enough to accelerate the work? Through that notice of motion that was brought forward when council did declare the climate emergency, it directed us to update the strategy and then council committed through its priorities and service plans and budgets to fund the strategy. Um, have we it to in the other regard, have we has it incurred us any expense? Has there been any expense associated with this declaration? Specific to the declaration itself. Not obviously, I mean you spend money to deliver a service, I understand, but the declaration itself hasn't done anything. Okay. Is there any work that your office has done or the city of Calgary has done that we can point to that is specific, like could only have been achieved by making this declaration? Yeah, there's lots of there's lots of work. It's not just necessarily my office, but it would be the corporation, right? Updating the strategy to align with federal targets allowed us to access better financing and funding to be able to support the electric buses. We've been able to receive money for the 2 billion tree, so that was part of the federal government's commitment to net zero as well to be able to uh outline that program. Um And so pardon me, I'll just clarify. That's because of our strategy, isn't it? Okay. Okay. Informed by the declaration. Or accelerated by. if I could add though, Councillor Clark, I think without the declaration, we wouldn't have updated the strategy. I got it. So really I think what you're underlying, what I'm hearing you say, I think, and please clarify, but um, is that this declaration, very symbolic, it's really about what we do, how we respond to the work that's required, the action that is like quite clearly in front of us that really matters. Absolutely. With any strategy, if you don't put money, resources, effort, and commitment behind it, it's just a piece of paper. Yeah, thank you very much. Thank you so much for your time. I'll just um slip into debate a little bit here. I think um You know, personally, I don't want to hide behind these signals of virtue. I don't think that that's like the place for us here. Um, I think it's really important that we focus on the work and drive the work. Um, I think our resilience I would like to see our resiliency strategy embedded in everything that we do. I think that as we move forward, we know that the city of Calgary is a place where if there's a natural disaster anywhere else in the province generally, we're seeing individuals arrive into our city and participating here. So I want to make sure that every building that we build, every investment we make has climate uh aligned investments in it as well. But I want to pull, I don't want to be able to hide behind the idea that we've just confirmed this with language and not the action. I want to have to stand behind our action and point to that as our version of success. And so I really struggle with this idea that it will um I understand like the blowback from a reputational perspective, but I again I think we have a there's a stronger reputation to be built on delivering better results and actually delivering point like action that we can point to than than in that. I say that as a broad sense, I'm not pointing that at you, but um. I supposed If we were to remove it, and I think this has been asked, but I suppose it's worth asking again, if if the declaration is removed, it does not impede our capacity to deliver work. It's the funding of your it's the funding of the work that's required. That's correct. Council will determine the funding to advance the strategy in November. Very good. Thank you. Finally, to the mover, I suppose if in closing you could just speak to uh, you know, I I think back to the um amending that we did uh at last budget cycle. Obviously, climate was like this office was, I won't use the phrase under attack, but I mean it's sort of like a point of focus. So I just would like to understand the removal of the declaration. We sort of what like is this the beginning and end of it? Are you interested in investing in climate resiliency? In your clothes, sir. Thank you. Councillor Schmidt, please. Uh for point number two on here, I'm somewhat flummoxed by Going back and the deletion, how much work would that require to do this? So I understand that the intent of the notice of motion is anything going forward. And I think important to be clear that not a lot of our documents point to the declaration. They all align with the strategy. We may have one or two references on the website, so it's it we we can update it and then it's all communications going forward. Okay, that was the answer I was hoping for. Thank you. So um I I think that this is a a nothing burger overall, in that we've heard that the declaration signaled an intention from Council and from Calgary about what we were going to do. And that that intention was clearly followed by action, as we heard from the $287 million of work that was undertaken through collaborative funding. And what I see here is something that comes up a lot in council is performance. It is not causing us to really lose anything by declaring a climate emergency. In fact, it had Resulted in a lot of benefit that we followed through on. So I fail to see the reason why we need to go back in time to basically eliminate the signal of our intention. And it's not something that is an issue specific to a certain group of activists or special interest groups. Angus Reed Institute, for example, keeps ongoing data about the view of Canadians with climate change. 60% of Alberta's of Albertans think it's a very serious or serious threat. And that may be lower than a lot of the rest of the country, but that is still over 50% of this province believes it is a very serious or serious threat. When you parse that data out more, at the current time, we see almost 70% of Albertans believe it's a serious or very serious threat. So by doing this, that functionally achieves nothing except for a victory of eliminating two words, climate emergency, we're signaling an intent that we want to go back in time on an issue that many people Believe is a thing that needs to be addressed. And I think that there is an actual reputational risk here, as was demonstrated by the answers from administration. That the reputational risk to us is that sure we'll still undertake the action, but this in itself is an action that tells the public about what we intend to do. And so perhaps that will result in accelerated action from us, which would be great. But I'm I just fail to see why we are spending time today doing this. And to me, it speaks to an issue that is itself a special interest issue because 70% of Albertans think that this is real, think that this is happening, think that it's a serious or very serious threat. Would we do this in any other area? What if we declared a public safety emergency? And then we said, well, that's kind of performative. Let's go back and get rid of that. Whereas maybe 70% of Calgarians think that too. And we we're always talking about public engagement and how we need to listen to the public. This keeps coming up again and again with free fare zone, with this, where it's clear the majority of our public believes this is important, yet we are going back and changing things that. Where where an issue like rezoning where we say, well, the public didn't want this, so we're gonna listen to the public. But now two issues where the public cares about this. Now we're saying, No, we're not gonna listen to the public. I don't like this climate word, so let's go back and change that. So th this is performance and it's a step backwards, and I won't be supporting this today. Thank you, Councillor Schmidt. Um Madam Clerk, do I need unanimous consent to conclude this item? Or is that a change of the procedure by law? That's required. I'm sorry, to conclude it before that. Or sorry, before the dinner break, yeah. Uh to modify it, it can be unanimous consent. To suspend it, you would need a motion. Oh, sorry. Uh colleagues, do you do you mind if we modify the time of our dinner break to start not concluding this item, but to concluding the motion arising from Councillor Chabot? Just so we're done this topic. Okay, any objection to that? Okay, seeing none, uh, we will start our dinner break, not at the end of this, but the end of the motion arising. Uh Councillor Yule, please. Um is this uh a is the declaration a distraction for your team? Thank you for the question, Councillor Ewell. The team is quite focused on delivering on the strategy. We know that addressing this challenge is really important to Calgaryans, not only for the city services that they provide, but their experience in the community. So that I would just say that's that is currently where the team is focused is on delivering on the strategy, ensuring that we're providing good value. When it comes to the declaration, we don't lean on the declaration to be able to advance the work or To talk about the work. It is really the strategy and the work that the Declaration did to help help us center and focus not only the work of my team but the entire corporation. So uh rescinding of this emergency, um, will it have any perceived uh morale effect on your team? Thank you for the question. And thank you for thinking about the team. Of course, I lead a team of very highly passionate and committed people. But as I had mentioned, we we remain focused on the strategy and supporting council in their direction. The notice of motion to declare the climate emergency was a council decision, and to rescind it, it is entirely council's decision as well. So the the big thing is the strategy itself. Correct. What is most important is the strategy and continuing to fund progress in the strategy. Calgary is a leader in this space. Uh and I think when it comes to the morale of the team and and the the risks that we have to manage, it's important to to continue to be a leader. So things like the water efficiency plan came from that strategy. Correct. The climate strategy did identify water shortages and concerns as well as that and steps that we can take to be part of it. So there's there's kind of five or six outcomes that are in this in the strategy. The talk about buildings, energy, water, nature, people, and there's another one. But yeah, we have clear focus areas that have actions all outlined in the strategy. So it it would be incumbent on us if we do rescind this to really support the strategy and what comes out of the strategy. Yes, delivering on the actions. Okay. Um 600 Canadian municipalities, so it was a mayor's kind of caucus of like when this this climate emergency trend happened? It was a global trend around uh I think part probably started with the Paris Agreement and those commitments to net zero and progress towards them. Uh and Calgary didn't join a number of those commitments until. The late 2000s, uh and then yes, there was just a series of things that had occurred. Okay. And we've established there haven't really been any direct funding, but it was the funding through the strategy. Do you foresee any federal funding on the horizon that if we rescind this uh climate emergency, would we lose out on on any potential future anything being telegraphed to your team? It's an excellent question. Unfortunately, I I can't predetermine how the federal government would determine any funding requirements. Um, as it states right now, uh the funding that we have received is due to alignment with their uh their uh long-term uh net zero commitments as well as building resiliency into communities. Uh so if the declaration itself is a is a criteria, it's not currently a criteria, but I can't presuppose what um what additional changes they might make into weighting and funding of those pieces. Okay. And just corporately, um like you mentioned, we we're one of the top ten insured losses. Is there any other risks in the corporation that would warrant a emergency declaration uh uh above the climate emergency? I don't know that that's kind of an open question to administration. On the risk registry, like Well Should we have should we have declared another emergency outside of climate? So I will add that climate and environmental risk is one of the highest risks on your principal corporate risk. We continue to evolve, it's new as of last year, and we continue to evolve that to help inform council with their with their decisions. I would add that again it's a it's a place where we're leading in the space. We have some work under uh underway that is starting to look at the financial cost of inaction for specifically city services. Um and um so so those risks may change on the principal corporate risk, but I I can't say around the um Yeah, I would just I would say with respect to emergencies, uh Ms. Flowen had already uh mentioned uh and Mayor Farkas in 2024 when we declared an emergency state of local emergency with respect to the feeder main. I rec can recall before that we'd also declared a state of local emergency as we were preparing for a potential flood that had happened earlier. Uh and so those would be specific items. Uh very localized. I can also think of the the housing emergency that was the crisis that was uh talked about previously. Um but from specific actions I would say we've declared those and then obviously from the principal corporate risk perspective, uh we've identified infrastructure as a very high principal corporate risk, and we're focused on that and uh working through that together. Okay. Um yeah, I'll just go into debate. Um I uh I I mean I I would have loved a a fulsome um you know data finding mission before we went ahead and and and rescinded something like this, but I think uh through through the conversations, I understand that you know it it's just like it was said, it was a statement of principle. Um I think it's really important that this council, like, if if this is the direction, if you guys are all on board with strategy, we really need to be listening. Because I know when the water efficiency plan came to council, it was very, very hotly contested. But if if if we're all okay with rescinding the emergency and focusing on strategy, like a very important thing that we all should have done going into this is talking to our climate advisory committee. Basically, on the on the reputational risk. If we're not going to listen to these committees, then you know why do we have them? And and and I I I think it's really important that you know we we aren't the first of these 600 municipalities, you know, stepping back from from a commitment like this. But uh I'll be I'll be voting against it uh out of principle because it is a statement of principle, and I do believe that we are still in a climate emergency. And uh I realize that you know it might be a distraction for some, but I would say the reputational risk uh like I come from an industry of of of recycling, and and we are Alberta, despite you know the the look of Alberta, there are a lot of eco friendly companies looking to come to Alberta, and I don't want to be the first city that that you know rescinds their their emergency. Um so I will be voting no on this. All right, over to Councillor Atkinson, please. Um looking at like the climate and environment dashboard, uh how are we doing? so with respect to progress, uh I would say most of the metrics are need improvement. Um Yeah, that's that's my take. I I'm looking through and it's needs improvement off track. There are a couple that are on track, mostly sort of in the water sort of space, largely because. That's what hit us, I think, harder than probably any others, but uh buildings and homes, corporate governance, energy, mobility, nature and ecology, people, waste and consumption. You look through the metrics on these uh and it's largely needs improvement or off track. So I I'm just gonna go right in debate. We We talk about action versus symbolism, and I don't think that we are doing well on action. We are doing very poorly on action. Even this council alone in our six months here, on terms of the climate file, we've taken away nine million dollars. There's a symbol in that. There's action in that. There's outcomes that come out of the decisions that we have made, let alone previous councils. Which are largely what is accountable to these metrics being where they're at. So to see needs improvement off track from our own sort of corporate report card uh on the the climate and environment dashboard, uh I don't think that we are doing enough on the action side. And it is not because we have A climate emergency declaration in place. The climate emergency declaration in place though is a symbol. And I believe that words and symbols matter. I I think that they do matter. I mean, why why did we have a debate at all around what flags can go up in the municipal plaza? Because it symbols matter. Symbolism matters. Why is onward? Our word of choice for the city. Why do we use it when we talk about things? Why do we have the, you know, a great place to work, live, and play? And all why do we do any of these things? Because words and symbols matter. They chart a course for where you're going. They tell others what you are about. And I think that the words and symbols of having climate be a part of what we're putting out there, especially when we have such little on our report card to actually point to and say that we're doing this well. They matter even more. They matter more because of this city and the industries in which this city is largely rooted and the outward perspective of what this city is. I know what this city is, you all know what this city is, but this city also has a reputational risk just for the kinds of industries that have been a part of this place. And we need to make sure that we are combating that and showing people that we are thinking about the environment. And many of the oil companies and energy companies that are in this place are doing that work. And it is for us to stand alongside them and show that we as a city are putting that out into the world. We have that through words and symbols. And I think more than the words and symbols of having the climate emergency declaration in place. the symbol of removing the climate emergency declaration. That in and of itself is a symbol. That is a symbol that you are casting out into the world. And in that symbol You are making a statement. And it is a large statement. When you are the first municipality to opt out, when you are one of 600 municipalities that says, yeah, we're not playing ball. We're no longer doing this. Climate is something that we all as humanity need to do together. It's why it's different. It's why it's different than the other emergencies. When we experienced the flood, that was a local thing that we experienced in a local way. When we have Hail raining down on us, and we have, you know, we have to turn on the emergency management center. Well, that's a local emergency. This is something that we are experiencing on a global scale, on a human wide scale, and to not join forces with all the other municipalities and say we stand hand in hand, we are on a united front, at least in symbolism, and hopefully in action, it's it's going in the wrong way. Please do not remove this symbolism. And let's do better on the action front. Thank you. Councillor Kelly, please? Thank you, worship. I waited to sort of join here towards the end, not because like I'm not I don't want to offer debate necessarily for my colleagues. I just wanted to get my thoughts on on the record more than anything else. During the campaign, when when I was out door knocking, it came up constantly over and over again. Uh uh uh while it wasn't as big as the blanket rezoning, it certainly was a comment that happened frequently around the idea of uh um uh the previous council and and and the climate emergency. And I said every single time uh that uh uh exactly what we heard today from uh acting GM Newton around it's the the emergency was primarily performative, but the strategy is what matters. Climate risk is real, it is important that we address it, and the strategy is the document that really matters. Uh I'll apologize a little bit as it relates to the the the the declaration, the emergency declaration, just because uh it was the thing that that gave the impetus for the update to the strategy. So I would like to respect and honor uh uh the declaration for having served that purpose. I think it's incredibly important that we had it in order to be able to get us there, but the strategy is the most important thing. Uh I was I I was admitting, I'll admit that I was leaning towards, or I am, was leaning towards rescinding this, voting for this. But there's two things that have happened that are that are sending giving me a lot of pause, which is uh the first one was the uh to I guess a little bit to Councillor Atkinson's point about symbolism. I I'm in on the strategy 100%. The declaration really isn't doing a whole lot. It's only providing additional symbolism for us moving forward, being part of a global movement, et cetera. I don't need to play those politics. I'm happy to let it go if that's the only purpose that it's serving. Um, but when we tried, when we pulled $9 million from the climate budget, and bullet point number two. Specifically here, that we are we're we are positioning ourselves as the language police to say never refer to this document again in a future document in future city reports. That feels entirely unnecessary for me. We already have bullet point number three or a recommendation number three on here that says we won't be referring to it moving forward. To to not want to uh have any additional uh uh uh uh we won't use pardon me, bullet point number three says that we're not going to use the declaration as uh a rationale for something moving forward. But bullet point number two is essentially just like never talk about the declaration ever again in the future. Those the th are the things that are symbolic to me that I'm like, I don't know if I trust us yet, counsel, around this idea of that like words and actions and the while uh while we're saying here that the strategy matters, it's important. I'm not sure that we're all sharing that we're we're all sharing that view. And so as a result, instead of doing what I think is the right thing to do, which is rescinding the climate emergency declaration, I'm gonna vote to keep it in there until we get to a point that I believe that we as a council uh uh are are able to move forward and really take well and true that uh the climate risk that we have, the thing that's uh um uh really moving our uh our our water plan forward and and enabling so many of the other the other choices that we're making at uh at the city. Uh despite the fact that I think that uh the emergency declaration was rather performative and is no longer serving its original purpose. Um I'm gonna keep it for now until we got until I feel comfortable that we've gotten to a point uh that we don't need performative actions uh in order to be able to make sure that uh we move forward in a fulsome way. All right, Councillor Kelly. Based on that, I'll I'll call it separately then. So we're we still have folks in the queue, but when we do go to a vote, we'll we'll vote on one uh rescinding the climate emergency, and then we'll vote on two and three after that. Okay, over to uh Councillor Jameson, please. Thank you, Chair. I think this is a bit of a distraction in terms, and I'll explain what I mean. Uh Calgarians are facing real affordability pressures, raising taxes, and growing concerns about the city's core responsibilities. It's time we focus City Hall on delivering reliable infrastructure, safe for communities, and value for the taxpayer. Declaring a climate emergency created expectations, bureaucracy, and spending commitments that too often distract from those priorities. Calgary is an energy built city of innovators, workers, and entrepreneurs who continue to lead in responsible resource development and new technologies. We don't spend money on symbolism, we spend it on substance. Canceling this declaration does not mean we are ignoring the environment. It means restoring balance, focusing on practical solutions, and ensuring City Hall is grounded in the realities and priorities of Calgary today. Thank you. All right, Councillor Johnston to close, please. yeah, so to Councillor Clark's uh comment about uh mid-cycle budget adjustment, um we have a spending problem, or what I thought we had a spending problem at the time. We tried to cut a lot of departments, including IT. Was I wrong? Probably. Um, and so for me, this is a pragmatic approach. This has nothing to do with cutting anything from any department. But it puts it on a level playing field with all other departments. No other departments under an emergency right now. And so we can treat this department based on its actions. And if it's doing well, we should fund it more. If it's struggling or maybe it doesn't require any more money, we can reserve some of that money and put it elsewhere. And so going forward, I'm gonna try to be more pragmatic on our cuts. But we we all attended the same in camera session. Money is going to be tight. And so we're going to have to look across the board on where money needs to be spent. Going to action? Well, we brought it up. We have one of the highest insurance claims in the country. Well, let's figure out why. We live in a hail path. Well, why are we building with vinyl siding? Right? These are decisions we as a council can help influence and create and ensure going forward that we adapt to our surroundings, which we have as a civilization for. Thousands of years. Let's continue doing that. As for funding before, we received funding be because of our climate action plan. We received it currently, and we will receive it after because of the climate action plan. The climate action plan we can't get rid of. That is MGA mandated, right? So let's ensure we do it properly, let's ensure it's efficient, let's ensure it's producing results. As for symbolism, again, symbolism is nothing without action. So I'd rather have no flags flying out front, but a safe, friendly city that we all fall under. I'd rather have a climate, environmentally um sound environment that we all can enjoy without having a symbol of emergency over it. And to Councillor Schmidt's point. We could make an emergency about everything, right? Because we are in an emergency about everything, right? But if everything's emergency, nothing is. So just going forward, I think we can just be better actionably, as to Councillor Atkinson. And it'll be on us going forward to be better governors and ensure that our decisions um respect our surroundings, that we're stewards of the land. And uh I just We're just at time, so maybe a final sentence to conclude your thoughts. Yeah, I just asked that we vote all of these, vote yes to all of these, um, and move forward with action. Thank you. Thank you. Um so madam clerk, let's engage uh the e vote on uh for uh immediately rescinding the climate emergency declaration, the bullet one, and then we'll go to bullet two and three as a separate vote. Councillor Dollywall, your vote, please. no. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And on that, the motion is carried 10 to 5 with councillors Schmidt, Kelly, Dallywall, Atkinson, and Yule opposed. And then let's put up uh number two and three on the screen. And this is uh to seize all the reference to the declaration uh the climate emergency having been made, and it's bullet three is ensuring that no future council reports refer to that uh declaration. Let's engage the vote, please. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results on bullet two and three. That's been defeated uh with councillors Schmidt Kelly. Dallywell, Atkinson, Clark, Yule, Wines, and myself opposed. So given the profile of this uh vote, perhaps, Madam Clerk, would you mind just putting that that whole motion back on the screen and we'll just recap what was adopted and what was not? Just one moment. So just to be crystal clear for the the public watching, bullet one did pass with the uh rescinding of the declaration, but bullet two and three did not pass, and two and three was the seizing reference to the declaration having been made and the discontinuing of Uh mentioning it in future reports. Okay, so I'm gonna go to Councillor Shabot now and a motion rising, please. Thank you. Thank you. Um I sort of mentioned it in my opening, and uh administration provided me with some um additional. Context in regards to what information is currently available. Of course, as was pointed out by my colleague, Councillor Pancopoulos, on page 108 of the 2025 financial report, is uh a very significant summary of some of the financial implications. There are other uh reports, though, the city's quarterly report, uh climate progress report, which is last published in 2023, next planned update, September 2026. Uh climate uh related financial disclosures in May's audit committee on page 89, public facing dashboard. And the 2026 audit. I don't have that report here with me. But there's also priorities and finance committee 2020 2021 0121. Guides on how climate considerations are embedded into planning approvals continuum. And also green building priority stream program. Anyways, what I'm getting at here is there's a number of documents and policies and procedures that are climate related, but they're all in a a bunch of different places. And if somebody wants to look at what the city is all doing with regards to climate related initiatives, I think it would be beneficial to have a single point of reference and call it a uh what did I call it? Uh a uh a portal. um that people could go to and look at what the city's doing specifically related to climate initiatives. There's also um uh plans related to planning. Uh although we don't require it at the moment, there may be some changes in the future that uh sort of Either incentivizes or disincentivizes somebody who's not planning on achieving net zero by 2050. Currently it's more of an incentive and a recommendation rather than an uh required implementation. Again, I think it would be beneficial not only for members of the public, but even for members of council, especially new members of council that would like to have an idea on where we're at with regards to our climate initiatives. So this is hopefully not something that's going to be overly demanding because as a motion arising definitely mirrors up with a a um uh administrative inquiry. If it's inconsequential, I don't believe that this should require too much in resources, but I'll leave it to admin to respond to that if they think it's too. comprehensive then I may need to uh do this as a uh notice of motion but I I do believe it's something that could be done relatively uh easily but uh if somebody wants uh maybe I can ask administration what they think of what's before us. thank you, Councillor Shabot. Uh yes, we can absolutely uh do this. We already have a landing page. On Calgary.ca for Climate and Environment that has a tracking our progress where you can actually find links to all of these reports all in one place. I will acknowledge that though that the grant funding is not as explicit on there, so it is something that we can easily add, as well as it is a it is a portion that will be included in the climate progress report that will come in September. Thanks. Well if it's inconsequential. Easy to do. Thank you. And sometimes it's we we say, Well, we're doing most of this already and this is just maybe just belts and braces. Okay, fine. It's belts and braces. Anyways, it does tie in with what I was originally intending on doing so thanks for that response. I'll try and address anything in my clothes. Alright, that's been moved by Councillor Shabot. Uh seconder, second by Councillor Ewell. Councillor Penizopoulos. Thanks so much for bringing this forward and thanks, Councillor Chabot, for uh uh identifying in the financials. Clerks, do you mind just bringing it up? And I just I just you know want to summarize most of this is is already there and and uh I'm actually amazed how how detailed we have. This is the financial, those that are having trouble sleep with apologies to CFO Toker. Um go to the next slide, please, madam clerk. And and it includes or yeah, maybe two more. Yeah, there it is. If you go through, just sort of slide. If you can just go through, you've got uh nine or ten figures, which includes enterprise risk management, um, risk integration, you actually have the detailed financials, you have all of the policies, uh uh deliverables and identifiables, goals, targets, uh, GHG scope. Uh so we we've got all this. So we're certain there. So to create a portal and maybe just at your close, Councillor, um, it looks like it ends the declaration's over as of today, and it seems the motion arising says from the commencement to the end. So maybe just some clarification around there. Because if it's just for historic, great, we upload our financials. Uh and maybe administration, do you do based on what you see this would the 29 pages in the financials go to 32, or what what do you think would be the extension? Like what's missing here that you see there? Uh that's that's it that's skipped in the the the the financials. So the climate related financial disclosure is a public sector accounting standard that we are working towards aligned to that will become regulated, a standard in uh in just a few years. Um I think with respect to my comment to Councillor Chabot, it's really just around the grant funding. We don't all we haven't reported the uh uh orders of government and where the funding is coming from. So I I do think that there is an opportunity to uh add additional transparency on who we're getting money from and maybe what focus areas it's uh it's supporting. So that's uh certainly uh an additional piece of transparency we will do. I I think that's so important. You mentioned 287 uh and then extra cash coming in today. Uh we have it in our housing. It you know, think of that sort of focus there. So that's really great. I I I said at that audit committee, there's actually more disclosure uh in our f um environmental uh scope than in actually in our MDNA, but our financials, you know, a ten billion dollar organization. So you guys have gone above and beyond. But that's great. If there's some you'll come back at the report, a bit additive. Uh it there should just be at the edges. Like it looks like most of the report is there. You now have a bit of a sequence, um, not a lot of extra. Is that fair? Okay, great. Now thank you so much. Uh thank you, man. Mr. Chair. All right, Councillor Clark, please. Yeah, thank you, sir. Um may I ask where where this repl report is currently located? The one that was just presented by Councillor Pantasopoulos? So there's a couple of places, but uh the easiest way to access it is if you go to Calgary.ca Climate Environment. There should be an icon at the bottom called tracking our progress and you should be able to see the three streams of reporting that I spoke about. Great. And then just in relation to the notice of motion in front of us here, are there do we have other examples of of that sort of like uh particular words or uh documents related to words being pulled and sort of uh Uh to be to maintain a publicly accessible online information portal for the city. Do we have any other examples across our organization? Or is it just I guess what I'm getting at is it feels like we're targeting climate again as sort of a means. So I just would like clarity that have we done this before? Are there other elements? Um I I I think in any circumstance we try to be as publicly transparent as possible. I would say in all of the departments. And so there is a number of landing pages for each department where they're where they're reporting on progress and metrics. Uh so this isn't targeting the climate environment department at all. Okay. Thank you very much. Council Atkinson, please. Well, I believe in transparency of information and whatever. This really just does feel like we're uh putting together a little report of really it's not so bad, guys. Uh um and just sort of collecting it all in one place. It's hard when not even outcomes, the word outcomes. The metrics, the climate and environment dashboard, it's not in here. This is all just justifications on spend. I have a hard time with this as a follow-up to the last piece, especially when we're talking about climate and realistically, what's climate all about? What are we doing all of these things for? It's to change outcomes, and that's not even in this notice of motion. So let the guilt weigh on your conscience so that you make better actions next time. I'll be voting no. Uh I think we're done the queue. I'll jump in and debate. Um happy to support this. Uh the the central reason is we need to show and demonstrate the business case for these investments around climate, environment, resiliency, and and the the city of Calgary. Regardless of the public misinformation and disinformation that existed around the climate emergency declaration, the City of Calgary, the amazing team that's represented by Ms. Newton, the work that's being done, not just on uh this, but also GM Thompson as well, your teams. Almost everything that the City of Calgary does touches stewardship, good stewardship of the land, uh, the environment, uh, all of the rest. And I think. Showing this, I don't know if it's going to be like trying to drain uh uh the ocean with a bucket based on the level of misinformation and BS that exists out there, but I think it's worth a shot. Uh for me as the mayor, I get a great chance to be able to see every day a lot of the great work that's being done by city staff, the amazing projects, uh the various organizations we get to partner with every day. And if this can just a little bit push back and demonstrate the truth of the work that is being done here, I think it is worth a shot at a minimum. It pushes back on that BS $87 billion number that still seems to maybe I'm just repeating it kind of like Betelgeuse. It'll uh it'll appear in a showtime anytime now. But any event, long winded way of me saying. Council, please call uh please support this. Uh it's relatively straightforward and easy for city administration to be able to provide. And again, as we're trying to build the case for these investments in our next four-year budget, it's really, really important to show Calgarians the actions of what we're delivering around this and not just the uh necessarily the uh quote unquote performance that Calgaryans perceived from the climate emergency declaration. So just final opportunity to say thank you to uh Nicole Newton, your team, uh, for everything that you do every single day. You're a central part of why we are in public service. And great credit to your team for the work that you do, and uh let's keep on, keeping on, on work. Back to Councillor Deputy Mayor Chabot to close, please. Yeah, I'll try and be brief. I I'm looking for a single point of reference, albeit that it's referencing everything that's happened since the climate emergency. That I'm not saying to stop just because we're uh rescinded the the declaration for climate emergency. We do have a report coming back in September 20 uh 26. And in insofar as deliverables and and and KPIs, again, the I'm looking for you know a landing page to make sure that everything goes to one centralized location so that the general public can access easily and and and efficiently so that that whenever somebody has a question, we can say, Go here. Rather than spend a whole bunch of time trying to explain it, 'cause I've I can't tell you how many times I've heard uh from members of the public when Uh when uh when I make a decision on something they go, Why did you do that? Why did you vote for that? And why did you support that? And then I start explaining it and they go, You know what? I I don't have time to listen to your explanation. Because you're because you're having to explain it, you've already lost me. If I can say, listen, you know what, those are that's a great question. Why don't you go here? And and look at that. And if you're still not satisfied with the responses, I'm happy to have a conversation with you about why it is that I voted the way I did. But at least it's a central point that we can point to folks that may talk about the 87 billion as an example. And again, if we're getting other orders of government to contribute financially to our objectives, why wouldn't we want to showcase that? Especially because if Calgaryans can see that we're getting some of our money back from other orders of government, yay, let's celebrate that. Um, anyways, I hope you can support this. Close. All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the evote, please, on this. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried. 13 to 2. Counselors Dallywall and Atkinson opposed. So, colleagues, before I bang the gavel for our uh dinner uh recess, I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge our Chief Operating Officer, Stuart Dalgeleish. This is actually his final city council meeting with us, and what a final meeting to have. Stewart started here at the city of Calgary as a business intern in 1988. I think a year after I was born. 1988. That is a whopping. Whopping 37 years and Calgary has grown by almost one million people since then. And Stewart has played an important role in helping us plan and accommodate that growth for one million people. And Stewart and I get to see this, and I got to see this in a in a in a boardroom earlier today with uh Councillor Ewell. But uh Stewart has built lasting relationships with uh integral city partners, has helped us forge ahead with projects like building the central library, the the BMO Center, and also breaking ground on the new event center, which many of us thought would never ever happen. But he was still there. He played a fundamental leadership role in revitalizing our downtown, helping set us up well on our way to converting 6 million square foot of empty office space. He helped set records in housing starts to address Calgary's housing crisis. And he has built strong working relationships with many new counselors and mayors, myself included, helping deliver on their agendas with rigor and professionalism. Stuart is a champion of community and belonging. He eagerly put up his hand to join the newly established Anti-Racism Committee in 2020. And colleagues, uh, I don't believe any of you around the table at that moment in time, but that was up until that point in time the longest public hearing that the city of Calgary had experienced, and it was no small task for you, uh Stuart, to put up your hand at that moment of time, not just in terms of the workload, but the level of promise and attention that the community had demanded. In terms of us acting corporately, not just at the political level, but the unelected level. You're also you're being you become a trusted uh steward of the Beaver Lodge Teepee, gifted to you by the Blackfoot Traditional Knowledge Keepers in 2023. Uh a demonstration of your commitment every single day for truth and reconciliation. And one thing that always Has shined out or shines through about you, Stuart, are your values. You always lead with integrity first, followed by innovation and learning, and you believe. You believe that we should always put people in their perspectives first. So, Council colleagues, all of you here present, and the many of you who in the public who may be watching, please join me in thanking Stuart for an incredible 37 years of service here at the city of Calgary, and join me in wishing him the best for the road ahead. You want to say something? Tell us what it is like. What are you having for dinner tonight? The regular council dinner. Obviously. Thank you, Mayor. That was incredibly kind and uh gracious of uh of you and uh all members of council and administration and everybody in the gallery for uh for this uh for this acknowledgement. Uh this has uh this career has been absolutely incredible. Uh it has been, yes, it's been a long career, but uh every single day uh the work that we do, the folks who we work with, the partners who we work with, uh just brings great and incredible value personally, has always brought brought great and incredible value personally to me. And uh I believe in turn to the folks who we serve being the citizens of Calgary, the businesses of Calgary, and everybody who uh we need to make sure uh we're here to make lives better for every single day. And so uh I simply uh say thank you. Uh it gives me great, great pride to know that there is a team of great, great folks who uh I'll retire in a couple of weeks, but there is a team of great, great folks who will continue to do this uh great work that we do, and to use a term that was uh that was used earlier just in this council meeting, we'll continue to press onward. And so to all of you who will continue to do that work, my thanks to you for the time that we spent together serving Calgarians and for what you will do here in the future to serve Calgarians and Calgary businesses as we press forward with uh with this important work that we uh that we do. So thank you once again for the opportunity. Uh I am looking forward to uh all that comes next. Uh there's lots in that, and uh uh but the first thing is going to be uh I am going to enjoy summer in Calgary and uh very much looking forward to that. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Stewart. And and if I may, I'd like to invite uh all members of city administration to please cross the bar, please approach and come up here. Let's come in tight and let's do one big group final group photo with uh Stuart here. So please, if uh members of city administration, please come approach, join us on the other side in the in the chamber here. And members of council, come in real tight and hopefully we can beg somebody to take our photo. Thank you, sir. I'll sit up straight. Yeah, I'm gonna have to go way back. This week we need Everyone get in ready. Yeah, in real time. we need Perenzo, we need Dev, Kitjoy. Come on in. Tighter, closer. Can we can we see you? Come on in. I think you gotta go a little further with Jeremy. No, no. Come on in here. You got everybody? Chris too? I see a back injury. All right, smiler. One, two, three. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. Colleagues, uh I have to depart for a family commitment. So I don't have skin in the game for this question, but typically our dinner break would be an hour 15. Do you want to come back in one hour? Is there any objection to that? Coming back at uh 7 or rather coming back at 8 45 with uh Deputy Mary Shabot in the chair? Sorry. seven forty five. Okay, is there no objection to taking one hour only for the dinner break? I was seven thirty, forty five. Seven thirty five. Seven thirty? Okay. Do I hear seven thirty? I hear it's a bit of an auction here. How about 45 minutes? 7 30. Is there any objection to coming back at 7 30? Okay, no objection. We will come back at 7 30 with Deputy Mary Shabot in the chair. The role. Councillor McLean, Councillor Pentezopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wynus, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Clark, Councillor Dollywall. Here Councillor Jameson, Councillor Johnston, Councillor Kelly, President. and Deputy Mayor Shabot. Uh also present. Thank you. Thank you. Um I don't have my describe up yet. So can you tell where can you where we're at? Certainly. The next item up is item 9.4.11, notice of motion, providing water bottles for council chambers. And that notice of motion is sponsored by Councillor Johnston and Councillor Wyness. Hey, uh Councillor Johnson's motion. You want to introduce it? Yeah, again, I sent my debate ahead of time. Um, it should be pretty simple, just reversing uh a bylaw that prevented water bottles being stocked in certain areas, and I would just like to reverse that. So that's it. Clear. The motion is to still retain the the water fountain in the back and supplement it with water bottles. Oh, sorry, I thought it was clear. Um it's to rescind a bylaw um that. Prevented water bottles from being stocked. Um, and part of that bylaw was to introduce water fill stations throughout the building. Those still stay there. Okay, so it's not to eliminate the water filtration system. No, that that still exists. Um, and so sorry, the financial risk of this would be about twenty one hundred dollars a year to restock water bottles throughout council meetings, council chambers, ward offices. Um, and again, that cost is based off of what was used before. The bylaw was introduced. Um, but that was before we had water fill st fill stations, so I would imagine the water bottle usage would be quite a bit lower. Um, but again, it's a simple reversal of a bylaw. That's it. Have a seconder for that motion. Um and Councillor Wynus is the one who initially uh had co-signed that motion, right? But she's not present. Okay, so seconded by Councillor McLean, and I'm just looking to get myself back in the queue here with my e scribe, so bear with me for a second so I can track the speakers list, unless you guys want to use the manual technology. Councillor McLean. Okay, go ahead, Councillor McClain. Are we talking our our way through things here? Uh yeah, quickly. Um to me it's not so much about I've got my own props today. I feel refill my water. I also like a water bottle. When people come to my office, that's the big deal. I mean, I don't mind going to their own water bottle up, but we're a six billion dollar corporation, folks. I can go to my get my haircut like I did yesterday. Nobody complimented me on it. Thank you very much. Barber gives me a bottle of water. Almost anywhere, you go to the lawyer or whatever. I mean, it's not uncommon to go somewhere and then they provide you with a bottle of water. So when I've got guests coming in, important meetings with important Calgary business, and then my staff, we gotta go in, we gotta go get Phil six glasses of water up. I want to give him a water bottle. I don't get it. I mean, you can have cans, we can have plastic bottle bottle thingies. It's just not a big deal. We're six billion dollar corporation folks. We can do both. We can chew down, we can walk. And sometimes that water bottle is nice to hand to. My guest is the biggest thing here. So it's not about the environment, it's not about The money. It's not a it's just common sense. I think this is silly that we're doing this in the first place, but bring the water bottles back so I can give my guests a water bottle. Okay, thanks, uh Councillor McLean. Councillor Panthezopoulos. I'm going to vote in favor of this so that when I'm an old man on my deathbed, I have the comfort knowing that no other Councillor from Ward 6 ever has to debate water bottles. Sorry. Um I'm not sure. I'm not seeing anyone else in the queue. Back to uh oh, sorry. Uh Councillor Harrison with a motion arising. Okay, so uh not to debate. Yeah, no, thank you, Chair. I have a motion arising. Already you've set with the clerks and submitted to council as of yesterday. Okay, so following the decision on this Following the decision on this, just to be clear. okay, thanks. Uh closed most closed, did you say? All right. Uh Madam Clerk or Mr. Clerk, can you please cue up the e scribe? Deputy Mayor Shabot, just to confirm, we have launched the vote on recommendation number one first to rescind. Following that, we can launch the vote on the second one to implement it. Rescind so the second one is to sorry. The motion was structured in two parts. The first part was to rescind a previous council decision, which was contained in a motion arising, that where was it, the Drugs Administration to discontinue providing bottled water. Should this recommendation pass, then council would be able to vote on the second one, which would reintroduce the direction for administration to stock water bottles. Okay, thanks. Is everyone clear on that? All right. So and if everyone's already voted, then do you have the results? Please display them. No, still wait for some votes. First motion is to rescind the previous direction. Councillor Tyres, your vote, please. She's absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Chabot, all the votes are in. Please display the results. And that motion is carried 8 5 with Councillor Schmidt, Kelly, Atkinson, Clark, and Yule voting against. So the second motion. Is now on the screen. Is everyone clear on the question? All right. Please uh initiate the description. Councillor Tyres is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Shabot, all the votes are in. Please display the results. That motion is also carried eight to five with Councillor Schmidt, Kelly, Atkinson, Clark, and you all voting against. Uh Councillor Harrison. Motion arise. Yeah, thank you. Clerks, could we see that on the screen please? And of course I have my glasses. It's coming in just one moment. No stress. Yeah. Um I thought, you know, this isn't a conversation that I would have ever thought I'd be having here, but here we are. So I thought let's further the conversation. Let's have let's have the whole conversation. I think that, you know, this idea of whether or not it's okay to have water bottles in office, you know, whether like the original decision to rescind it or to uh to remove the water bottles was uh one like of one of virtue, one of a particular attitude. Now we would like to bring them back as a means to provide access and confirm that that point of view was wrong. So I just invite us all to perhaps look at all single-use consumables in in the chamber and in our offices here. I've I think it's it's a bit uh it's a bit ridiculous, really. I think it it costs this city about $25,000 to $30,000 a year to deliver this service. Each one of us has a ward budget, and instead of wasting council's time to have a conversation about whether or not we should have water bottles, why don't we remove them and invite each Councillor to purchase them through their ward budget? And that way we are not only aligning with our values of transparency and accountability, but each individual then can be, you know, measured by their residents as to how virtuous they are. So I think it's actually quite straightforward and I think it's a wonderful notion. Um and I look forward to discussing it. Just uh before you um I suppose I need a second, don't I? close on that, um, just wanted to be clear about your um intent. Would this include uh coffee as well? Uh so these K cups, I know like we we talked about the declaration of the uh an emergency of around environment. Um yeah, I think they're one of the most detrimental things that we could do, so I'd be very glad to see them leave. Yeah. But that means that we could still have other coffee. Coffee pots, please, bring back the coffee pot, bring back the kettle, Okay. bring back the coffee pot and kettle. Want to be clear on It was good enough for our grandparents. It's good enough for us. Good enough for me. what your intent was. Thank you. Thank you, sir. We have a seconder for that? Seconded by Councillor Schmidt. Okay, let's see who's in the queue. Uh not sure where I left off here. Uh Councillor Weines? I think you're up first. Thanks. Um I I hear your frustration on the fact that you never thought we'd have to debate water bottles. However, we have to vote on policy. And so we have the office of the Councillor, which is a budget of the combined total of all of our budgets. Uh the reason this is here is because we are in this room all day. 48 hours maybe. We we we're almost gonna might as well buy us sleeping bags because we're gonna be living in this chamber with how this council debates. Uh and and so it's what budget item do we pull from? When you're in your office, you still have the ability to do exactly what your displa the your idea is. But when we're in chambers where the the water bottle policy was actually addressing, should come out of the office of the Councillor's budget, not individuals, or else we're all gonna be running back to our offices to actually do it. So I get your frustration over debating a policy over water bottles, but it's just how we have to govern the direction and budget items that we we govern. And so I won't be supporting this because I do get it. It is frustrating that this even had to be a notice of motion to fix a policy. Um, but I don't think we need to level up the frustration of how we have to govern. So I won't support this. Thanks, uh Councillor Weinus. Councillor Schmidt, you're up. Uh just perhaps, Councillor Clark, in your close, I think I know why it says accept water bottle, accept bottled water. Um But perhaps explain why that is the exception for us in your close. If you wish, you don't need to. But that's all from me. Um so and uh am I able to close then? Is there anyone sorry. No. No, no, no. Not to um so I s Council, you're Councillor Schmidt, you're done? Okay. Uh Councillor Pantizopoulos, you want to split the items? And I believe they do stand on their own. Um Madam Clerk, do you agree with that? Do they both stand on their own? Okay. So yes, we can do that. Councillor Johnson. Yeah, just to uh Councillor Clark's uh comments there about being virtuous. Um I mean, just because something is available to us doesn't mean we have to use it. And uh I mean the corporate world is new to me, so I've never experienced getting fed at work before, and clearly I've been taking advantage of that. Um, but at the same time, I can bring my own lunch to work most days because I can, right? That's how I've always done it. So I can understand the more into this job I go, the more I understand the necessity of some of what historically has taken place when it comes to food and beverages. And Councillor McLean made a good point. it it's normal as I see now to provide a little bit of subsidence sub sub sub subsidence sustenance um for our guests um and I I I don't know I mean I agree with this but at the same time I don't so I guess this debate was pointless so I'll just leave it there. Not seeing any further lights. Back to you to close, Councillor Harrison. Yeah, thank you, sir. Um yeah, you know, honestly, uh I think I'm I'm glad to pose the question. I I would like each of us to take responsibility for the way that we vote on it for sure. I think I just wanted to, I suppose you're right, Councillor Wyneus, reinforce the point. It wasn't long ago that I was uh that we were sort of we got a talking down about the performative nature of a letter to the province about Aish, Aish support. So I thought, and then to come back with a uh notion on bottled water. I thought it was it's good. We need to acknowledge this. So I think that I stand by the idea that I think each of us should take responsibility for this and wear it in your own budget, and then that way you can have these conversations in your communities about the things that you buy to sustain yourself through the day and all this hard work. Um, so I hope that you will support this and take responsibility. Thank you. So uh clerks, are we ready to uh put them up one at a time? Thank you. First motion is going to be recommendation number one. Correct. All right. Is everyone clear on the question? Yes? Council? Just to be clear, this is just saying hey, we're we're gonna try to reduce it. We're not taking everything away. That's correct. It's just This just says commitment to reduce the use of single use items and necessary consumption within council control spaces. Yeah. Okay. It either way, I don't know. It kind of implies that they're gonna stop providing single use items, i.e. water bottles. And if this was put forward at the same time as a water bottle as um an amendment, it would have been rule contrary, just to be clear. So, are we clear on the question? Okay, let's launch the e-vote, please. Councillor Tyres is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Shabot, all the votes are in. All the votes are in. Display the results. That motion is defeated five to eight with counselors Ward, Johnson, Dollywall, Atkinson, Jameson, Shabot, Wynus, and McLean voting against. Second motion. Everyone's clear on the motion. Please launch the e scribe. Councillor Tyres is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Shabot, all the votes are in. Please display the results. And that motion is defeated four to nine. Councillor's ward. Johnson, Kelly, Daliwall, Panthesopoulos, Jameson, Shabot, Wynus, and McLean voting against. Um, question for Madam Clerk in light of the fact that the first recommendation passed, what would be the method of uh providing water bottles? Who would provide that and how would it be then voted into the fruit? Thank you for the question, Councillor Shabot. So council services staff, so your council services liaison staff that support you administratively. At this point, it is their role to stock the council chamber fridge as well as the meeting spaces. This will be a significant impact on their workload. The team was stocking approximately 10 to 12 pallets previously. So we'll have to strategize to see how we're going to be procuring that volume of water and more. And supplying it to all the meeting spaces as well as offices. So we'll take that away and we will come up with a strategy, how to place an order, where to pick up the order, and we'll have a communication to you shortly. And communication by way of a briefing? It could certainly be a briefing on a future council agenda in terms of what the strategy is, or I could put it into your um council hub once we are online with the system and once we have a vendor and we're set up to um Receive that much water. Okay, I think it would be beneficial to have that information. Including uh any budgetary implications. All right, thanks. Next item, which is supercharged sidewalks, 9.4.1 point, 9.4.12. Is that correct? In 9.4.12, Councillor Shabot, this is supercharged sidewalk remediation and it's Councillor Johnston. Council Johnson, you uh you have another notice of motion? You have the floor. Yeah I have another one after this too but um supercharged sidewalk so We had a presentation a couple months back about some really bad trees and sidewalks that are getting to the point of needing repair. And a lot of these are getting worse as we speak. Even ones that were repaired last year are now in state of repair. These poplar trees are getting out of control. And as far as I know, These we're not replacing poplar trees with poplar anymore, which is smart. Um, but it's very dangerous for people walking around in these neighborhoods that have um the two bad trees, bad sidewalks. And so there's 292 highlighted that are at the point where they need to be replaced. And for me to get these replaced now would show initiative that. Infrastructure is important to this council. We did uh notice a motion last month about maintaining the uh grass, uh sorry, to supercharge the grass maintaining. Um and so to me, this is just again providing a service quicker on some of the worst trees and sidewalks out there. So I'm looking for support on this and uh hope you vote yes. Um so question for administration in regards to the FSR 2.4 million. Is that going to uh put the FSR in any kind of jeopardy? Uh thank you. Uh taking uh two point four million from the FSR uh won't put it in jeopardy, but it'll continue to uh decrease the amount we have uh in the FSR as we head into budget deliberations. And is there any contributions that have been added this fiscal year from last year's positive variance? That has been added and we're currently sitting at about 9.1% relative to the minimum of five and the target of 15. And then as we bring our quarterly report to exec committee in the next couple weeks, we'll be highlighting what our current year positive variance is. And then depending on the utilization of that, that amount at the end of this year would then be used to increase the FSR. Or utilized for other purposes? Is there anything in the queue right now to further draw down the F FSR that you know of? I would say right now no, but um there are a number of uh notice motions that uh we have and so depending on um the substance of those, uh those often are uh drawing on the FSR throughout the year. And then um as we go through this year's budget deliberations, that'll be a conversation for any of the one time items that we're discussing. However, the intent of this notice of motion is to draw it down immediately, right? That is correct. Okay. That's my understanding. Want to be clear. And everything else is going to be debated at budget. All right. Thanks. No further questions for me. Um just want to say um being as this stems from my notice of motion. Um it's kind of hard for me to uh vote against something that's uh ultimately going to accelerate a program. I'm not sure whether or not administration is uh able to actually deliver on all of this. Uh I'm not sure if they need to speak to that, but Mr. Morgan, do you want to respond? We worked with uh uh with Councillor Johnson and evaluated we can uh get the work started this year. We may uh bleed a little bit into next year, but the majority of the work can be done on both the sidewalks and the trees. Excellent. Thank you. And if the uh pictures that I saw that were that were included in the original notice of motion uh are the areas that will be uh addressed. Um I would say I I probab my area probably stands to benefit from some of this money. Uh yes, so that we have prioritized based on trees that are in poor shape as well as sidewalks. A reminder for council that if we do get reports of a safety item, whether it's a tree or a sidewalk, we will dispatch our crews immediately to keep it in a safe condition. So these are a proactive in poor condition assets that we would um we would uh address in this year. Yeah, no, this is um this is a problem citywide. If you can uh make uh uh pedestrian movement uh safer, uh we're hearing all kinds of problems right now, so this is just one of the issues that will help to improve uh pedestrian safety, so happy to support it. Chair, sorry to interrupt, but we do need a seconder. Oh, do have a seconder, Councillor Jameson. I if there wasn't one, I would have left the chair. Thanks. Um any further debate? Councillor Kelly. Yeah, uh this work, I in my opinion, definitely needs to be done. Um Personally though, I'd rather see this on the prioritization list, see where it compares to everything else. $2.4 million is a significant outlay. I've heard from multiple other members of council that uh uh that they're concerned about uh the overall potential tax increase in in in 2027 and beyond. So I I would definitely think that the the most prudent course of action uh based on what we heard from Gia Morgan that uh all the safety issues are being addressed currently and throughout this year. Uh this is mainly about being uh about fixing the ones that we know that need to be fixed. Doesn't sound like there's an urgency to me to take this out of the prioritization queue. So uh I would much rather see this be uh be brought forward in the in the 2027 uh uh 2030 budget rather than drawing down our FSR uh for something that. I I don't think needs to needs to be done this year. I I recognize Councillor Johnson in his open said that uh we did do something similar to this uh previously as it related to the tr uh to parks uh maintenance, but that was based off of a council directive to um uh uh a council directive in order to be able to excuse me uh a council directive. To um uh to change our level of service moving forward. So um from that point of view, I think that it to me it makes sense that we would move this just to 2027 and take a look at it so we have an ability to um uh we have an ability to compare it against other uh other items at that particular moment in time. Um with that maybe I will uh I'll leave it there. Thanks, Councillor Kelly. Uh Councillor McLean. Uh thanks, Chair. This remind number one, this is super important. This is dangerous to residents. You know, they want this fixed. It reminds me of the last council when we had potholes. Everybody knows about potholes. People we neglected potholes. So Councillor DeMont came up and it was fifty million dollars. More significant. Out of FSR, which we have uh hundreds of millions of dollars in there. I don't know what what can I ask? What's the do I need to ask? Is it 150 million? What's uh can I ask administration what's in FSR right now? Uh we're approximately at four hundred million. 400 million. Okay, so significant, a couple million bucks. 50 million, the public love that. The message is when we want to be fixed a whole bunch of potholes and increase the pavement. That was something that we're here to do. This is sidewalks. Just go with in the in the burbs and woodlands. I've got some mature neighborhoods. You know, people with pregnant ladies pushing a baby, carriage, gateboard, scooters. This is a no-brainer. This is two $2.7 million. It's it's compared to $400 million. I out of FSR again. This isn't going out going to our budget. This is important. And I and good on you, Councillor Johnson, for identifying this as an immediate. urgent thing to be done, so please support this. Thanks, Councillor McLean. Councillor Harrison, you're up. Thank you, sir. Um, I just a question for administration. How far reaching is this program? Will all wards see it? I mean, is it concentrated in one ward? Do we uh like this particular program that this notice of motion is referencing? Uh I'll give you a preamble and then I'll ask the experts from our business units. We have tree problems across the city. We have sidewalk problems across the city. So we do have separate programs to look at that. This we zeroed in on the poplar interaction with sidewalks, but I'll let uh our reps in mobility and parks talk a bit about the the focus of those. There are some neighborhoods that are more heavily populated with poplars than others. Okay. Hi, through the chair. I'm uh Paul Atkinson. I'm the uh urban forestry lead and I'm here with my colleague. Hi, my name is Charmaine Bieler. I'm the manager of construction and materials and mobility. Not sure if you heard the question, but wanted to know if uh Uh we yeah, we did. So I think it's wards four, six, and ten where you have the predominant um number of these trees from the 292, and this was category A condition, which we presented in our report previously, which is where we have uh deficient trees that meet removal criteria and deficient sidewalks that meet repair criteria already. So it's a component of the overall program that we recommended earlier. Okay. Yeah, thank you. I'll just say that it's nice to meet the Urban Forestry Lead because there's been lots of conversation around trees. Um, so it's a pleasure to meet you. Thank you. And and your colleague as well. Pardon me. Thanks. uh thank you, Councillor Harrison. Uh Councillor Pantasopoulos, you're up. Thanks so much. I I was pulling up the March 11th IPC and I made a comment on my notes about there's a report. The IPC IPC report seems to state will prepare a report in Q3 with cost and tree condition level of service. So is a scarp for the horse? Do we actually know uh I could find the exact language, but it it seemed to imply that we need a report to come and then we're going. So what are the 250 odd trees that you're Targeting. Yeah, through the chair, these are the situations that already meet both repair and removal criteria. So it's not the whole program, it's that component of the program that we know for sure already meets actionable criteria. Got it. So the report that's coming through. Oh, go ahead. Yeah, and maybe I'll chime in. So, what we perceived is that we would bring to council a level of service for sidewalks and a level of service for trees so that we could talk about the quality of each, and then as we work through those programs, you would reach the outcome of getting to these queries. But we wanted you to have the choice of how much investments you wanted to make and what the impact would be. That was going to be the third quarter. Got it. Got it. I'm trying to get some work done in my backyard, and every greens person is full until August or September. Um, because we're calling a wee bit too late. Uh just just talk through that. Your summer crew, you know, students, etc. Um, yeah. Uh how would this fit into the uh the schedule? So from the tree perspective, we'll speak to that first. Um we have existing contractor contracts in place, and they have the ability to scale up their operations this season to get the removals done. And we would be doing um We anticipate if this went ahead that we would be able to remove all of the 292 trees and get them out of the way for mobility. To the chair from the sidewalk, remediation and repair, we would be able to have capacity to complete 50%. So that would be 146 locations just because of our crew capacity, and then we're also outsourcing, but right now we're at capacity but can complete about 50%. So then the other 50% would be 27 when next year. Next year, yep. So the 2.4 is that 100% or the actual cost would be something materially lower, given that half the uh sidewalks will be done. It would be 100% of the tree cost with the exception of the replanting. Some of that may hit the spring as well of 2027 and Uh through the chair. So s for the sidewalk we're looking at about half a million for this year and then the remainder would be spent in twenty twenty-seven. But probably 1.9 versus 2.4 in calendar fiscal 26. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like I often speak of when I think of budget, I think of a barbell. We're gonna be spending 500 million billions of dollars on the underground, the assets and small wins for Calgaryans to show that there's progress. You know, the pothole example last year can be this year as well, just showing those little wins, the parks was something very clear. Um I really love that support about ex uh not going once a month, you know, once every two weeks. I I can't remember the exact, but just to go there to show Calgaryans, hey, you're actually getting uh something for your for your value there. So uh thanks so much for that information. Appreciate it. Councillor Pantozopoulos, back to you to close. Councillor Johnson. Uh yes, clerks. Are we able to get the photos up? Um Now I can't say for sure these are some of the locations, but um it's as easy just going for a walk in some of the neighborhoods with these, and um being married to a merged nurse, the amount of falls that they have to deal with from uneven surfaces is astronomical. Um and a lot of these older neighborhoods have a lot of uh seniors and actually new families coming in, so a lot of strollers are being pushed around. So This to me is what the FSR is meant for. It's meant to be put towards infrastructure that's failing or that needs to be replaced. This gets the ball rolling on what was, I believe it was introduced by Peter DeMong, Councillor Chabot, um last year or two years ago? Go first, me. Yes, two years ago. Okay. And so As to what was council direction for the maintenance, this was council direction as well, just from maybe a different council, but it's continuing the good work that they started. Um, and so I really appreciate support on this because this is front facing actionable um evidence that people will see when they go for a walk in the winter um once all these are completed. So um and you know what? I love trees. So this is tough for me because a lot of these trees have provided shade. Um And a big thank you to the wise men who planted them 40 years ago. But there comes a time where these will have to come down and we'll replant new ones and we'll be those wise men. So please support me with this. Thank you. Uh please um initiate these crack. Councillor Tyres is absent. Councillor Johnston, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Shabot, all the votes are in. Uh please display the results. That motion is carried eleven to two, with counselors Kelly and Dollywall voting against. Thank you. Next notice of motion is 9.413. period of public submissions by Councillor Johnson. You have the floor, sir. Yes. Another notice of motion. So this one actually arose from a question I asked administration actually back in November, and I got a response of why it was introduced. Come blanket rezoning. Um there is a bit of uh uh reignation of this exact issue in that we have a what was supposed to reduce public barrier to um public uh submission and public participation and we they the last council introduced a statement that you had to click on to do online submissions right so it it's a little inconsistent how this was implemented that To submit something online, you'd have to click this. And we tested this with legal, and it was true, you did have to click on it. But the submission statement itself was council direction. And so this to me, you should never have compelled speech, and you should never have to pass a values test to address your government. We already have a chair, we already have bylaws, we already have human decency. I don't think we need a values test to speak to your government. And for me, there should be no checkbox of any kind to come and speak to us. And so I would appreciate the support in removing this going forward. Do we have a seconder? Seconded by Councillor McLean. Um before I open up the queue, I have a question for administration. Uh in note whereas it makes reference to um a requirement to to sign the declaration to do a public submission. Is it is it a requirement? Can you bypass that or Does somebody know that the answer to that? I I can answer that question, Councillor Shabot. So on the online form, below the statement, there is a check box, and the check box requires to be filled, and it reads I have read and understand the above statement, and that requires a member of the public to um to check before they move on to the next portion. Okay. It says that you've read and understand it. Does it does it say anywhere that you uh agree with it? No, it does not. Um it's the the and statement in its entirety states I have read and understand the above statement. Okay. All right. I just wanted that clarity before I opened up the queue. Uh Councillor Yule, you're up. Um maybe just a a question uh for Ms. Flowen. Um is that compelled speech? In my opinion it is not. So in the notice of motion, there was reference to attachment nine in the original report that came back to council in 2022. And that particular opinion did speak to compelled speech, but it was based on the premise that this statement that people were going to have to click on required them to subscribe or endorse a set of values. This has been designed very intentionally, not to require that. It is simply a confirmation that the individual has read and understands the statement and that it speaks to the purpose of the city of Calgary and the values that the city of Calgary holds. Being the corporation. Thank you. Um So I uh I met with the anti-racism committee on this particular one. Um in in speaking with them, they do believe uh a statement like this is important just kind of as a as a baseline of decorum as people are preparing to come to council, preparing to send their their submission. Um I I worked with them with some alternative language. Uh I have an amendment that we could uh put up. Um if if we what I can we can test the will of council if we want to change the wording uh before we vote on this. Um uh but uh yeah, if we could put up that amendment. We just we just need one moment to um to get that up on the screen. Thank you. But yeah, working directly with the anti-racism committee, that that committee was a big part of bringing this type of statement. And I think the the new wording will just uh it's just kind of a base base level of decorum. Um for I think one of the things that we've been noticing at public hearings is is um Um just people not knowing the the the bare minimum. And I think it's important. One of the things I I heard from the anti-racism committee is like, yeah, we could have nothing, and we we could let people say some some awful things, um, but once it's said, it can't be unsaid. And I think uh it's important to have this kind of baseline because we have many different chairs at the city of Calgary, and so if we have this as the base, um, it just will help um the expect managing expectations. I think as a as a parent myself, it's like managing the expectation of what is is uh um what is acceptable when uh when you come out in public and when you come um speak to to council. So this is the wording. Um I can read it out. Uh the city of Calgary is committed to providing a respectful and safe environment for public participation in council and committee pro uh proceedings. It is expected that all participants will engage respectfully, treat others with dignity, and refrain from discriminatory uh abuse or harassing comments or conduct. These expectations support fair and productive dialogue for all attendees. I think it's pretty straightforward. And again, it's just I it's a checkbox that says I have read this. Um again, it's not compelled, it's just a baseline of decorum. Uh, and uh again, using our committees um to to form our our policy. So uh test the will of counsel on this before um Before we we move forward. Yeah, I'm not sure how to rule on this matter because the original motion was to rescind the previous council decision. This appears to be contrary to that motion. You almost have to defeat that motion and introduce this one for this one to be accepted. It's I can't see of any other way of interpreting it, and I maybe I'm wrong, but this does appear to be contrary to the original motion, which means it's not I'm not allowed to allow it to be put. So I'm my ruling is this motion is contrary. And it's within your right. So we have a challenge to the ruling of the chair that this motion is. Point of procedure? Sorry, Would that be more that point of procedure would that be more acceptable as a motion arising then maybe? Is that possible to vote on the first one and then just talk unless you may it could have been reweded differently to allow the recommendation number one to move forward, which would eliminate the current wording. And recommendation two is directing administration to remove the mandatory endorsement statement. But we've already heard oh, sorry, the mandatory statement, and still that would still be compliant with that. What it's not compliant with is Is the rescinding the following decision adopted by council. So if that motion was incorporated into this motion, which is to rescind that previous motion, and then this being uh recommendation number two to direct administration to uh to add a new um um endorsement, it could be done that way. Unless I'm mistaken, Madam Chair, do you see that as a possibility? It wouldn't be contrary then because. This basically is is is contrary to the original motion, which is to get rid of it, okay, group get rid of it completely. This Yes, that is correct because recommendation number two provides to remove. Could you walk me through your alternative though, like the second part? Of the option. So if it's it's contrary you've ruled that it's contrary right now to one and two, what was the alternative that you were just speaking about? suggesting that we rescind the still go through with the recommendation number one and and then incorporate a new number two and then make number two a number three, and then they could all be voted on separately. And then if council chose to eliminate the mandatory requirement, it's incorporated in both. Uh but then recommendation number two would be putting in a new statement. We'd still be removing the original statement. Council could decide whether or not they want to accept the new statement and then also vote on the mandatory aspect. From a procedural standpoint, that would work. Okay. So can we are you interested in adjusting your wording? Yeah, we can add this, um, combine the two. Just maybe check with um Miss Flowen. Does that does that flow flow well? Yeah. Yes, I think from a procedural standpoint, I'll leave it to the clerk to comment on that, but it seems to flow for me. So just to recap to make sure that we are on the same page, um recommendation one as if we can go back to the notice of motion, please. Recommendation one is the original one from the notice of motion. Should that pass? Then recommendation two stands, and what Councillor you will would be proposing would be the addition of a new recommendation three. So the amendment would be to add a new recommendation three with the wording that he will provide. That's how I'm understanding the discussion we've just had. It's kind of yeah, I think that's how it flows best because he does have a one, two, and three already incorporated in his notice of motion. Notwithstanding it's not. Necessarily ordered that way on the notice of motion, but Oh no, sorry, the the three is part of the quotation marks. So recommendation number one, read in full. It refers to a previous decision of council that had a recommendation three. So recommendation one, read in its entirety, is looking to rescind a decision where council had voted that contained a recommendation three. call one. Yeah, so this is all one. And this is two. Okay. It's just that three is from two three. Okay. All right. Well, um, So we we do have a adjusted recommendation three for counselors dual consideration. So I'll just look to my team to please put this up. Just please bear with us. Again, following the discussion that council just had, this would be to amend the notice of motion by inserting a new recommendation three as follows. Direct administration to update the current public hearing endorsement statement checkbox to incorporate feedback of the Anti Racism Action Committee to state the following. and that check box would then be optional if number two is approved, right? Because it would take away the requirement for it to be a mandatory requirement to check it. Yes. Okay. There's no mandatory wording in that statement. Okay. So you're putting forward that amendment then? Okay, Councillor Schmidt to speak to that. I can now second this amendment. And I'll wait till we get back to the main for that point. I do support this, although I Think that this shouldn't be necessary. If uh we go back to the public submission form, uh really what this gets down to is first off very equivocal language here that I have read and understand the above statement. Takes no position on whether or not you want to follow it. Um it is it also ends with it's expected the participants will behave respectfully and treat everyone with dignity and respect to allow for conversations free from bias and prejudice. I would hope that that is the minimum standard that we expect from speakers who come here to council, given that that would be a minimum standard we expect with one another in everyday conversation. So I'll support this amendment. And then once we get back to the main, we'll be suggestion suggesting a division on the items as well. But I will cross that bridge when I get to it. Okay. Uh Councillor Johnson. On the amendment. Yeah, we don't need a values test. This is what this is. We have a chair, we have bylaws, we have human decency. We do not need anything on there. Ottawa doesn't have it. Edmonton doesn't have it. As far as I can tell, we're the only city that has this on a public submission, online public submission page. This is not necessary. Uh compelled speech. In my opinion, is being forced to adhere to an endorsement, which it says, and I know legal has said it's not, but the title of it says endorsement. And you have to click on the box to allow what is currently on the main motion. But again, sorry, this is just a soft part of a main motion, and it's not necessary. Um respectful, treat others with dignity, refrain from discriminatory, abusive. It can be on there, but people can still come here and say whatever they want as. Long as we can get to them and ask them to be quiet or if it gets unruly, we can call security. This is not necessary, right? We're we're basically saying we do not trust the public to come in here and be respectful. So this is not necessary. Please vote no to this. Councillor Kelly. Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Um the on uh This is a pretty standard thing, right? There's an awful lot of stores that you go into just uh have a sign on the counter that say, please treat our staff with respect. Uh I agree with Councillor Johnston that like it should be common decency. Uh it is not common decency, unfortunately, hence why all those signs exist. Um I was going to vote against the main motion for that reason. But I like this wording better because to Councillor Johnson's original point on the main, there's a lot of sort of like loaded language in that in that original version. This version to me feels more direct to the point about what it is that we're looking to do. And frankly, it's softer, less, less loaded language. It does not surprise me at all that uh that this language came from our anti-racism racism action committee. Uh, and I applaud Councillor uh Yule for having a conversation with him about uh how can we achieve the goal that was originally intended uh in a way that uh is is potentially uh less inflammatory to to um uh to Councillor Johnston's uh sort of original intent here. So I think that this is uh this is a nice compromise. This is something that our anti-racism action committee uh uh asked for. I'm not sure, uh maybe uh I mean I can't ask now, but uh on the main motion, maybe I'll ask Councillor Johnston to speak to it uh at that time in his close, just around what their response was to his uh his original notice of motion. Uh but I think that this uh if we pass this, this will this gets me on board to uh to vote for Councillor Johnson's uh motion. Thanks. Councillor Kelly, Councillor Harrison. Harrison. Thank you, sir. Uh it's Clark. Councillor Clark. Harrison's my first name. Harrison Clark. I just want to uh acknowledge uh Councillor Ewell's efforts to reach out to Araq. We just heard from them last week, uh, looking for that uh opportunity to connect with us. So just wanted to acknowledge your efforts there. Really appreciate you bringing this forward. Um I believe uh it's already been said uh notices like this are everywhere. Um be kind. So I'm happy to support this. Thank you. Okay, back to you to close. Yeah. Um I'm hoping you all support this. I think it's uh It just really it is important. I think it's it's it's not a a values test, it's just a baseline of uh of decorum. Uh and I think um it is very important in in talking to ARAC, it's um it's important to to set these standards and these expectations um so that when a chair shuts somebody down there there was a statement that uh that was said. So I would appreciate your support and hope we can get through this night. Thanks. Okay. I see no further lights. Um, Madam Clerk, can you queue up the E scribe, please? Or whoever's got control. Councillor Tyre is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Chabot, all the votes are in. Please display the results. Uh motion is carried 10 to 3 with Councillor Johnson, Ward, and Jamison voting against. All right, so before I go to Councillor Johnson to claim. Close. I don't see any more lights. Um if recommendation number one fails, then we would not be moving forward with recommendation three. Is that correct? Because that's alternate wording. That is to remove the wording. Or three could still stand alone. We'd have two statements then. It's one you can't have unless you want two statements, but It's so if recommendation number one does not pass, recommendation three is asking for an update to the current statement. It's not asking update it. Okay. the wording says direct administration to update the current statement, so I believe it could proceed. Still stand. All right. Okay, over to you. Over to you to oh sorry, is there a debate on the main motion? Councillor Pantisopless. Go ahead. Maybe that clarification, just because this two and three, do you mind just explaining assuming it's it's divided up the cascading effect of one, two, three? It was just explain there a little bit, but if you could, just because if one is yes, no, then it's so it can you divide it, or does it have to be all together as one because the two are interconnected? If you could just walk through that, that would be perfect prior to the vote. So based on what I just heard from Madam Clerk, is regardless of whether or not recommendation number one passes, number three ultimately would end up replacing that wording. If if yeah, if it gets passed. If three gets passed. It was passed as an amendment, but ultimately as part of the main motion, regardless of whether one uh is removed or not, uh recommendation number three could still end up replacing it if it if it wasn't removed by voting to remove it in recommendation number one. I know it sounds confusing. I hope that's clear enough. It it is, but now two. I'm just again going through uh three is dependent on two because it's saying it's a mandatory statement. Two is just a checkbox. Uh just if it says direct admission to remove the mandatory endorsement statements and checkbox. If that's removed, then um it it's there there's no longer like just think about that cascade. Need to have a statement. But that the statement could still be there. Uh and it also says mandatory endorsement statement. So to remove the mandatory do you see what I'm just saying? Is it asking it's removing it and the checkbox? I understand the little box, but it states there remove the mandatory endorsement statement. That is one of two, which number three is a mandatory, I don't believe it's an endorsement, but a mandatory statement. So it's not simply a little checkbox. It says, so you need two and three have to be together. But looking to guidance or legal or clerks. Because if you remove the mandatory statement, uh uh amendment three does not have a say that a check, well, maybe it adds back. I'd love to hear. I Yeah, just wouldn't have a checkbox. But it does say it has a checkbox. And it says endorsement statement checkbox. So what do we yeah? It's important because these words matter. So uh one says a checkbox, one says remove checkbox, one says checkbox back. Um Yeah, go ahead, Ms. I I wonder if this would help. Um, because number two deletes the checkbox. If number three could say direct administration to update the current public hearing form to include a new endorsement statement checkbox. to incorporate the feedback as follows. Would that work? I think so. I'm just looking at just Can I inject on the wording? sorry. I just want to because we're we're working on the words, can we just say uh an optional checkbox, like an optional endorsement? Because uh Lanin is concerned that it's a mandatory checkbox to get passed, and so. Coding on the website can turn it into an optional checkbox of endorsement, but still have the statement there. I honestly thought that's what was being uh considered, but Can I offer another interpretation? It's not typical, but the way that I would read number three would be so if number two passes. So administration will remove the statement in its entirety and will remove the mandatory checkbox. Direct administration to update the current public hearing endorsement statement checkbox to incorporate the feedback of the anti racism to state the following. And all that we publish is what's in three sub I. So what Councillor Ewell is asking us to do is simply to publish the statement starting in I. I'm not seeing that there's a checkbox attached to it. That recommendation is asking us to add the statement. Ah so we can eliminate the word checkbox from that statement. I think that might give council um clarity. So it would be direct administration to update the public hearing endorsement statement to incorporate feedback of the anti racism action committee to state the following. And then all that the city clerk's office would do would go onto the form and publish the statement. There would be no checkbox, there would be no endorsement statement titled to it, because that is not what the Anti Racism Action Committee recommended based on my reading of what's on the screen. Thanks. All right, thanks for that clarity. Uh, Councillor Pancelopoulos, does that satisfy your concern? Any further debate? Uh yeah, I'm so it'll obviously be amended. Uh checkbox will take it off. Thank you so much. Great, thank you. That's it? You're good? All right, thanks. Next we have Would that be a second amendment that a member of council could make, just so that we're clear? okay, so made by Councillor Pancelopoulos. We have a seconder for that. Seconded by Councillor Ewell and on that amendment to the amendment. Any debate on that? Are we agreed? Any opposed? Hearing none, that's carried. So that That out. Motion is carried. Now we're back to the original amendment or back to the main motion. You will be just one moment, please. We'll we'll need to recascate it for you. As amended. And that's what we're going to be debating. And Councillor Schmidt, you have the floor. Yes, I was uh I saw Councillor Johnston put this in the chat as well, but I was going to suggest division of votes based on one and two being voted on together, and then um option three being voted on. After those two. Just given that I think the way that number one and two goes will likely have an effect on some of our decisions for number three. Other than that, I said it all in the amendment part. I think we saw in the public hearing that there was some times when we had to correct the decorum of some of the speakers based on what they said. So clearly that checkbox was not preventing them from coming here and was not. Compelling speech has a very action-oriented definition to it, that we're telling you're being told that you have to say or act in a certain way. This is this is something that is asking people to not or or to to act in a respectful way, which is we're not compelling them to believe certain things. We are asking them to treat a public forum as a place that is available for all of the public. And that's important because we have to represent the entirety of Calgary. And so the important thing when it comes to not And the thing that that gets me as a pet peeve is we say freedom of speech. We don't have freedom of speech in Canada. We have freedom of expression. And we also have limits to what is within the charter via section one of the charter, which in a democratic society allows us to place certain limits on those freedoms to protect the freedoms of others, because you can come into contact with the freedoms of others through your own conduct. And in this case, that's exactly what this is trying to accomplish is that when others come to these chambers, and we've seen it before, where certain attacks are leveled at particular groups or particular people or particular ways of living, that that would actually compel people to not come here and speak, which is not what we want to have happen. So if people who feel uncomfortable with Again, not being able to follow the, I guess I'll call it being compelled to behave respectfully and treat everyone with dignity and respect to allow for conversations free from bias and prejudice, then I would question whether or not what they come here to speak about has any value for us as a council. And I will leave it at that. So before I uh go to Councillor Wynus, I'm gonna ask you um members of council if you would be okay with the voting with for recommendations one and two together. Is there any opposition to that? Not seeing any. All right, Councillor Wynus. Thanks. Yeah, I think we're we're finding the compromise here where you can still have a statement that says to treat others with respect and still also uh have uh the ability for Calgarians to speak their mind on a lot of issues that are highly contentious and uh very emotional. Like when you look at blanket zoning, people are coming in here and and when you just say please come in and speak respectfully, even with emotion. w we can manage that. And so I think this is the ability to rescind that mandatory checkbox and uh still remind people that we are a public space. So that's it. Councillor Johnson, you need to speak to your to close. So I'm gonna go to Councillor Kelly. Yeah, I think I said it earlier, so I won't rehash rehash any of that. I just wanted to ask the question of admin. I'm not sure who the right person is uh here just um If we don't have a statement at all, i.e., number three fails, what tools does a chair have to control appropriate behavior of a speaker? I can I can answer that. This chair has control of the mic. Yes, but that would be potentially uh infringing upon people's freedom of expression. So I just wanted to I wanted to double check to see like this actually gives you the right to turn off that mic. But I'm trying to figure out what actually uh gives you that ability. But procedural bylaw, I believe. So Madam Clerk, do you want to respond to that? Yes, thank you, Deputy Mayor Sherbo. There's certainly certain rules within the procedure bylaw that set out the conduct of members of the public and as well as of the chair. I'm just pulling up the procedure bylaw. Don't have the section memorized, just bear with me for a sec. But it does state in general that you must um maintain uh respectful conduct. And the chair has the ability to cut off a speaker. Not only does the chair have the ability to cut off a speaker, the chair has the ability to have uh that speaker removed. Perfect. So that was the that was the first question I had was just around that idea of I want to make sure that we had it codified somewhere so that the speaker actually had authority in order to be able to do what we all want the speaker to be able to do. The reason why I think that this is important though, I think we've heard from an awful lot of people when they come to speak, like they're not necessarily that sometimes they don't, not on this particular topic, but on others, like they're not fully aware of all the ins and the outs of like what's going on. It can be a little nerve-wracking your first time, etc. So just because it's buried in the procedure bylaw, I think it's fair to say that none of our speakers are coming have read the procedure by law. Uh, this gives an opportunity to put it nice, right, front and center so that they can see it. And it's uh it's basically reiterating what we already have in the per in the procedure by law so that they can see it when they're making their uh their request to present. So um yeah, happy to support number three. Uh numbers one and two without number three. I think we start to get into that that sort of dangerous territory. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Thank you, Deputy Mayor Chabot. I just I couldn't get there. Um I couldn't get there fast enough when the question came up. The provisions surrounding the conduct of members of the public are set out at section 31 of the procedure bylaw, and they read that in order to ensure a safe and respectful meeting environment, those seated in the public gallery or participating remotely at council or council committee meetings must not spontaneously applaud, display signs, or engage in any behavior which may be disruptive, disrespectful, or intimidating to others. Yeah, so I think this does an excellent job of bringing that forward to people so that they can see that when they make their submission. Councillor Jameson. Question? Yeah, I was just clarifying again, I just need to clarify this. So one and two remove the mandatory checkbox that used to be that you had the check to enter. Number three simply adds the statement. I know. I it are are we hundred is that hundred percent true? Okay, thanks. Thanks. Over to you to close, Councillor Johnson. Oops, did I miss somebody? No. Councillor Johnson, to you to close. On the main motion as amended. Yeah, so just to clear up a few things here, there's a difference between a public. Domicile or public restaurant, public anything compared to a government building. Those are two very different things. Government building, you should not have to click on a checkbox. And just to be clear, this is one avenue of many avenues you can do to actually submit anything for a public hearing. This is inconsistent with the rest of them. If you want to get around any of this, you just show up in person. Or you send it in the mail, right? Is sorry, uh Clerk, what other sorry, through the chair, Clerk, what other avenues are there that can bypass any of this? So public submissions can be made through a variety of ways. We accept public submissions that are hand-delivered to the city clerk's office or they're hand-delivered somewhere within the administration and they make their way to us. We accept public submissions received via email, via regular posted mail. We receive public submissions by fax. And of course, we receive them when members of the public present themselves here in the council chamber and they either put a distribution on the screen or if they hand us a package for distribution. So you're correct, Councillor. There's a variety of different ways. Right. And so the original direction from council at the time was to create a reduced barriers to public submissions. This is just confusing the way they've worded it. And the reason why I didn't contact ARAC or anything because it doesn't matter what the statement says, it could say anything and it should and it's wrong. As of right now, you cannot submit through that one avenue. To have your submission read or accepted by the city, right? And that's wrong. It doesn't matter what it says, right? And I mean to put up a to me, this is a values test. We already have every tool in our ability to con ensure that what happens here is conducted um fairly, conducted uh safely. Um Again, having this on the website isn't going to stop somebody from physically coming here and doing what they were going to do, whether they read this or not. So this is very confusing. We would be the only city that I can find that has any sort of whatever this is. We'll be the only one that has this. So please vote no or sort please vote yes to getting rid of the endorsement statement and then vote no to the other one. It's not necessary. We are good people. We can use the tools that we have right now. Thank you. Yeah. Okay, thanks. All right. You're closed. Uh Madam Clerk, please queue up these crap. And we're voting on one and two together. The first motion will be recommendation number one because that's the one that requires the endorsement statement. Recommendation two directs that it be removed. So recommendation one has to pass first. Okay. All right, let's vote on them separately then. Recommendation number one is before you. Councillor Tyres is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Chabot, all the votes are in. All right, please display the results. That motion is carried seven to six. Recommendation number two is now before you. Madam Clerk, please queue up the describe. Councillor Tyres is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Shabot, all the votes are in. Please display the results. Motion is carried seven to six. Sorry, I should have read who voted against. Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Kelly, Councillor Dollywall, Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Clark, and Councillor Vue voted against. Next motion is before you is recommendation number three. Again, please cue up the E scribe. Councillor Tyres is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Shabot, all the votes are in. Please display the results. And that motion is carried 10 to 3. Thank you. Which brings us to what? It brings us to moving into closed session for the one remaining item. It was an item of urgent business added to the agenda yesterday. Item 12.3.1, legal briefing. Yes. So can I have somebody move make that motion? I will. By Councillor Kelly. And a point and a point of order. Should we also be making a mo like I don't know how long this one will take, but we're okay? Okay. Half an hour. Thank you. Happy to make this motion. Let's get going. Hey, um, seconded by Councillor Schmidt. On that, are we agreed? Do we have to go to East Cry? I'm sorry, Councillor Shabot, I didn't hear the mover. Mover was Councillor Kelly. Councillor Kelly. Seconded by Councillor Schmidt. And yes, East Gribe is ready, please. Yeah, please uh go to East Cribe with Mayor Farkas in the chair. Please Councillor Ward, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Yeah. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Tyres is absent. Mayor Farkas is absent. Deputy Mayor Chabot, all the votes are in. please display the results. That motion is carried eleven to two with Councillor Johnson and Councillor Jameson voting against. Can I say we are adjourned? Recess. City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the room. Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Chabot, Councillor Clark, Councillor Dollywall, Councillor Jameson. Councillor Johnston, Here. Councillor Kelly, President. Councillor McLean, Here. Councillor Pentezoppoulos, Councillor Schmidt, and Mayor Farkas. Here. Thanks, Mayor. Thank you. I need a motion to rise and report, please. Moved by Councillor Jameson. Seconded by Councillor Yule. All in favor on that? Any opposed? Seeing none, that motion is carried. Believe we have another uh motion to hold confidential the discussions. Okay, it's up there on the screen. Can I please have a motion to move that? Uh moved by Councillor Kelly, seconded by Councillor Ward. All right, that is on the table. Any further discussion on that? Okay, seeing none. Uh let's engage the vote, please. Councillor Ewell, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Pentazopoulos, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Jamison, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Tyres is absent. Councillor Chabot is absent. Counts Yes. thank you. Councillor McLean, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And that motion is carried 13 to 0. Madam Clerk, is there any other business? Nothing, Mayor. Any administrative inquiries? None. Okay, can I get a motion to adjourn? Oh my god, I've never seen your hand go up. Oh my gosh, George of the back. All right, moved by Councillor McClain to adjourn, seconded by Councillor Johnson. On that are we agreed? Any opposed? Seeing none, that motion is carried. Uh Third. this was one of the meetings of all time. Thank you.", "num_speakers": 62, "consolidated": true, "metadata": { "source_file": "4fc8051f-aca2-440b-94f3-7d208fcae608.json", "original_segment_count": 5595, "consolidated_segment_count": 2253, "max_gap_seconds": 150.0, "reduction_percentage": 59.73 }, "file": "/tmp/tmp3szo_3k4/8b9481e1-f27a-497c-ba3b-c4f3bb757267.mkv", "language": "en", "refined_by": "gemini" }