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On the roll, Councillor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 122.625, "end": 123.725, "text": "Councillor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 124.505, "end": 124.685, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 124.985, "end": 125.845, "text": "Councillor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 126.305, "end": 127.285, "text": "Councillor McLean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 128.325, "end": 128.605, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 128.765, "end": 131.185, "text": "Councillor Pantozopoulos, Councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 131.245, "end": 131.525, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 131.745, "end": 132.865, "text": "Councillor Tyres, Council," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 133.185, "end": 134.505, "text": "Councillor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 135.065, "end": 136.205, "text": "Counselor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 136.485, "end": 137.425, "text": "Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 137.765, "end": 138.005, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 138.085, "end": 139.245, "text": "Councillor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 139.505, "end": 140.425, "text": "Councillor Shabot," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 141.945, "end": 142.725, "text": "Counselor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 143.225, "end": 144.225, "text": "Councillor Dollywal," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 144.545, "end": 145.565, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 145.565, "end": 145.805, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 145.865, "end": 146.385, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 150.325, "end": 153.505, "text": "Oki, Amboastech, Danitra, Tanche." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 154.065, "end": 159.365, "text": "Indigenous peoples have their own names for this area that have been in use long before settlers named this place Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 159.945, "end": 162.185, "text": "In the Blackfoot language, it is called Mokinstis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 162.625, "end": 166.705, "text": "The Ithkenakota Wastabe First Nations referred to this place as Wachispa Oyide," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 167.145, "end": 169.785, "text": "and the people of the Satuna Nation call it Gutstas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 170.285, "end": 172.725, "text": "The Metis call the Calgary area Otasquini." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 173.365, "end": 180.985, "text": "We appreciate and acknowledge that we're gathered on the ancestral and traditional territory of the Blackfoot Nations of the Sikhsika, Pikani, and Kainai First Nations," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 181.485, "end": 186.665, "text": "the Ethica Nakota Wstabi First Nations, comprised the Chinniki, Berispa, and Goodstoney First Nations," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 187.125, "end": 188.785, "text": "and the Sotena First Nations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 189.325, "end": 196.525, "text": "The city of Calgary is also homeland to the historic Northwest Metis and to the Apisama Metis Government, Metis Nation, Battle River Territory," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 197.025, "end": 198.525, "text": "Nosil, Metis District 5, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 198.925, "end": 200.505, "text": "Obo, Metis District 6." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 200.965, "end": 205.045, "text": "We acknowledge and give gratitude to the many First Nations, Metis and Inuit, who live here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 205.345, "end": 206.625, "text": "And call Calgary home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 207.705, "end": 211.405, "text": "As part of our opening remarks, I'll go first to uh Councillor Clark, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 212.905, "end": 214.045, "text": "Thank you, your worship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 214.345, "end": 238.105, "text": "In 2021, the House of Commons unanimously recognized August 1st as Emancipation Day in Canada. This date marks the anniversary of the Slavery Abolition Act coming into effect across the British Empire on August 1st, 1834. The act paved the way for the liberation of almost a million enslaved people of African descent in parts of the Caribbean, Africa, South America, and Canada." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 238.625, "end": 251.625, "text": "While the Act was a major step forward, freedom was not immediate for everyone. The only children under the age of six were fully freed at once, while many others were required to continue serving their former owners as apprentices for several more years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 252.265, "end": 261.365, "text": "Despite these limitations, the act ended the legal practice of slavery in the British territories and confirmed Canada as a free territory for those who had been enslaved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 261.625, "end": 271.125, "text": "Observing Emancipation Day each year reminds us that slavery existed in Canada, and that both black and indigenous people were subjected to slavery in what is now Canada." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 271.585, "end": 281.885, "text": "It is an opportunity to recognize the resilience, achievements, and lasting contributions of people of African descent whose leadership and contributions have helped shape Canadian society." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 282.125, "end": 290.845, "text": "The day also encourages reflection on the lasting impacts of slavery and the continued effects of anti black and anti indigenous racism and discrimination." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 291.585, "end": 303.665, "text": "On this day and throughout the year, Canadians are encouraged to continue educating themselves, challenge anti Black and anti Indigenous racism and discrimination, and work together to build a more equitable and inclusive society for all." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 304.045, "end": 314.265, "text": "By remembering the past and recognizing the progress made, we can better understand our collective responsibility to create a Canada where everyone is treated with dignity, respect, and equal opportunity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 315.185, "end": 315.565, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 316.365, "end": 317.485, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 317.865, "end": 319.825, "text": "I'll go next to uh Councilor McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 320.565, "end": 321.605, "text": "Uh thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 321.945, "end": 330.705, "text": "Another recognition, August 9th, marks International Day of the World's Indigenous Peoples, chosen in recognition of the first meeting in the United Nations" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 331.025, "end": 334.425, "text": "Working Group on Indigenous Populations held in 1982." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 334.945, "end": 340.325, "text": "Today there are an estimated 476 million Indigenous peoples living in more than 90 countries." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 340.625, "end": 349.485, "text": "Indigenous peoples speak the majority of the world's 7,000 languages and represent more than 5,000 distinct cultures, traditions, knowledge, and religious systems." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 349.985, "end": 361.625, "text": "The theme for 2025 is honoring Indigenous Midwives, Safeguarding Life and Well Being. This theme recognizes the important role Indigenous midwives play in supporting mothers, babies, families, and communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 362.325, "end": 367.865, "text": "Their knowledge, passed down through generations, combines cultural teachings, traditional practices, and community care." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 368.445, "end": 374.385, "text": "Indigenous midwives help preserve languages, customs, and ways of knowing and strengthen connections between generations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 374.685, "end": 387.285, "text": "In Canada, Indigenous peoples have lived on these lands since time immemorial and continue to make important contributions to communities across the country through education, arts, culture, environmental stewardship, business, and public service." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 387.725, "end": 397.885, "text": "International Day of the World's Indigenous Peoples is an opportunity to celebrate the rich diversity, resilience, and achievements of Indigenous peoples in Canada around the world." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 398.305, "end": 408.065, "text": "It is also a time to recognize the challenges many Indigenous communities continue to face, including barriers to health care, education, housing, and economic opportunities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 408.585, "end": 412.825, "text": "The day encourages all Canadians to learn about Indigenous histories, cultures, and perspectives," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 412.985, "end": 418.405, "text": "and to reflect on the importance of reconciliation. By listening, learning, and building respect for relationships," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 418.805, "end": 426.905, "text": "we can help create a future that honors Indigenous rights, supports Indigenous led solutions, and celebrates the lasting contributions of Indigenous peoples of Canada" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 427.305, "end": 428.165, "text": "and around the world." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 429.005, "end": 430.045, "text": "Thank you, Councilor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 430.465, "end": 437.485, "text": "I'll ask uh Deputy Deputy Mayor uh Councillor Dallywall to uh take the chair and I'll head down to the podium for next recognition." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 438.805, "end": 439.225, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 448.645, "end": 451.885, "text": "Oh I did see that. Yeah, I saw that last week. I was like, but how do you get a reward?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 453.685, "end": 455.185, "text": "Looking into it as a trip" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 455.445, "end": 457.025, "text": "because simple panel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 461.645, "end": 492.125, "text": "Colleagues, today it is my honor to acknowledge four incredible Calgarians who are recently appointed to the Order of Canada. Established in 1967, the Order of Canada is one of the country's highest civilian honors, recognizing individuals who have made extraordinary contributions to Canada. Members of the Order of Canada are recognized for inspiring innovation, shaping who we are as Canadians, and enriching the fabric of our country. In June, four Calgarians received this prestigious honor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 492.825, "end": 508.445, "text": "First, Vicki Adams Willis has been appointed as a member of the Order of Canada. Vicki Adams Willis carries on a family legacy that began in the 1920s when her mother, Alice Murdoch Adams, opened Calgary's first multidisciplined dance school." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 509.045, "end": 510.485, "text": "In 1972," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 510.885, "end": 530.005, "text": "Vicky graduated from the University of Calgary with a Bachelor of Fine Arts. With the popularity of the class and rapid expansion of jazz offerings, the U of C took a historic step by creating the first and only jazz dance program in a Canadian University of College, where Vicky remained its founder and head until 1989." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 530.345, "end": 535.445, "text": "Vicki's deep knowledge of jazz stemmed from her intense curiosity about the roots of the art form." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 535.685, "end": 579.885, "text": "In 1984, because of her research into historic jazz dance forms and its African-American roots, Vicky and two of her former students co-created Decidedly Jazz Dance Works. Since then, Vicki has created more than 35 original productions and remains part of the company as founder in residence, focusing on teaching, mentoring, advising, and leading the Dancing Parkinson's YYC program. Vicky is widely recognized as a visionary leader, groundbreaking choreographer, and co founder of one of the world's most unique jazz dance companies. She has played a pivotal role in establishing Calgary as a viable center for serious jazz dancers. Her numerous wards and accolades include." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 580.365, "end": 583.125, "text": "The Queen Elizabeth II Platinum Jubilee Medal," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 583.505, "end": 586.765, "text": "the City of Calgary Community Achievement Award for the Arts," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 587.045, "end": 590.205, "text": "the Lieutenant Governor of Alberta Distinguished Artist Award," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 590.545, "end": 605.025, "text": "The University of Calgary Distinguished Alumni Award for Lifetime Achievement, and the Alberta Foundation for the Arts 25 Influential Alberta Artists Award. Today we have the pleasure of having Ms. Adams Willis with us today in the chamber." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 616.705, "end": 617.865, "text": "Would you like the opportunity to speak?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 618.765, "end": 623.445, "text": "Okay. Well we'll have maybe a friend take a photo of us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 638.525, "end": 641.145, "text": "Thank you for being in. Congratulations. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 652.905, "end": 660.385, "text": "Next, we have the opportunity to recognize Chris Cran. Chris Cran has been appointed as a member of the Order of Canada." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 660.665, "end": 726.305, "text": "He is a Royal Canadian Academy of Arts visual artist. He graduated from the Alberta College of Art and Design in Calgary in 1979, and he has exhibited nationally and internationally, including the Nickel Art Galleries at the University of Calgary, Glenbow Museum, Mylona Gallery in Zurich, Switzerland, and the National Gallery of Canada, where his work was featured in a major survey exhibition combining works from the Art Gallery of Alberta and the Southern Alberta Art Gallery. In 2011, he received the ACAD Alumni Award of Excellence and the Doug and Lois Mitchell Outstanding Calgary Artist Award in 2014. In 2018, he received the Royal Canadian Geographical Society's Lawrence J. Burpee Medal. In 2021, he was awarded an Honorary Master of Fine Arts from the Alberta University of the Arts. And in 2022, he was awarded the Queen Elizabeth II Platinum Jubilee Medal. His art is featured in galleries in Los Angeles, Toronto, and here in Calgary at Trapagnier Bear Gallery. Chris Grant is also here with us today. Chris, please come forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 744.625, "end": 746.425, "text": "Congratulations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 757.125, "end": 794.605, "text": "Next, Dr. Janice Lynn Pisca has been appointed as a member of the Order of Canada. Dr. Pisca has helped redefine treatment for adrenal, thyroid, parathyroid, and neuroendoctrine disorders. She transformed coordinated care in Western Canada by establishing multidisciplinary clinics at Calgary's Tom Baker Cancer Center. She also created Canada's first endocrine surgery fellowship, accredited by the American Association of Endocrine Surgeons, and has been has mentored surgeons worldwide. Unfortunately, she couldn't attend today's recognition event." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 808.765, "end": 836.105, "text": "Dr. Shui Xing Wang has been appointed as a member of the Order of Canada. He is internationally renowned for his landmark discoveries that have shaped modern cell signaling science, enzymology, and neuroscience. Throughout his prolific career at the Universities of Manitoba and Calgary, he has influenced research direction and solidified Canada's reputation as a leader in biomedical innovation. And unfortunately, he is not available to attend today's recognition event in the chamber." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 844.245, "end": 865.865, "text": "Once more, on behalf of the citizens of Calgary, a giant thank you for our four Calgarian inductees for representing our world our city with distinguished with distinction on the world stage. Each of them has made a meaningful impact, enriching lives and helping shape our nation and our city. This concludes our recognition for today, and once more, a giant thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 872.805, "end": 874.985, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. While you're making your way up here," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 875.385, "end": 876.205, "text": "question period." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 877.085, "end": 879.845, "text": "Only three people in the queue. No need for a lucky draw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 881.185, "end": 882.485, "text": "We'll go to Councillor Tyres." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 882.885, "end": 883.325, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 886.485, "end": 886.865, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 887.525, "end": 942.965, "text": "Um, when council approved the implementation strategy for the new land use bylaw, was Council explicitly advised that development permits approved prior to August 4th, 2026, but heard by the SDAB after August 4th could be adjudicated under the new bylaw rather than the old bylaw in effect when the permit was evaluated and approved, potentially eliminating an appellant's right to a merit hearing? Further, how many active appeals filed before August 4th could be affected by this transition? And of those, how many involved RCG row house developments that may become non appealable permitted use under the new bylaw? Does administration believe that it is procedurally fair for residents who have paid appeal fees, retained professional representation, and prepared submissions to lose their hearing because of a bylaw change that occurred after the appeal was filed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 949.045, "end": 952.385, "text": "Through the chair, thank you for the question, Councillor Tyres." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 952.565, "end": 974.005, "text": "So throughout the I may not get everything there, so please feel free to let me know if I haven't responded to specifics. Throughout the public hearing for repeal rezoning, administration has been very clear with council and the public that both the development authority and the subdivision and development appeal board must make decisions" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 974.465, "end": 978.625, "text": "based on the land use rules in effect at the time of their decision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 979.305, "end": 986.965, "text": "That was repeated throughout the public hearing and as well as the additional two items on backyard suites and um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 987.605, "end": 988.165, "text": "density." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 989.905, "end": 997.825, "text": "I don't have a number of appeals or of files in front of me that may be um affected, but essentially" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 999.725, "end": 1035.585, "text": "Administration makes a decision based on the land use rules in effect, and then if it's appealed, if those rules change, which they do from time to time, not just with respect to the repeal rezoning bylaw changes. We bring land use bylaw amendments all the time, and so there's always applications that have that transition period. SDAB, Subdivision Development Authority or Appeal Board, is responsible for making decisions based on what's in front of them, and it's within their own mandate to determine how they do that. But this transition period is always" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1036.325, "end": 1039.025, "text": "being a situation throughout." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1040.705, "end": 1042.845, "text": "Please let me know if I haven't answered all your questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1043.725, "end": 1044.385, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1048.145, "end": 1060.765, "text": "I don't believe we were s uh specifically explicitly advised. I think there is like there is definitely some confusion as to whether it would apply. So if you have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1061.565, "end": 1070.645, "text": "if you have your application and it has those RCG rules applied, people assume that it would apply throughout the whole process, including" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1071.125, "end": 1072.865, "text": "once it gets to appeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1073.325, "end": 1081.565, "text": "But we haven't had clarity that it will stay the same even through the appeal process, that you can't just suddenly August 4th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1082.445, "end": 1088.405, "text": "It goes back to, you know, row houses being permitted, therefore they wouldn't be able to hear that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1089.445, "end": 1110.545, "text": "at the appeal board. That's the concern. And since we're i it's limited time, right? It's July 28th right now. The deadline's August 4th. You can see why there would be a lot of concern here that it's not clear. And like, can you give that, can you give that clarity and can you give that um assurance that that wouldn't happen?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1112.265, "end": 1124.165, "text": "The only assurance and clarity that I can give you is what's within administration's purview, and that is that when we make a decision, we make that decision based on the land use district and the rules in effect at the time of decision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1125.525, "end": 1130.345, "text": "Subdivision Development Appeal Board will determine whether they have jurisdiction over a hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1131.325, "end": 1139.385, "text": "And I don't know if Ms. Floin wants to say anything more for that with respect to subdivision development appeal board, but I have absolutely no influence over SDAB." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 1140.865, "end": 1190.205, "text": "Yeah, thanks. I'll just add that uh the Subdivision Development Appeal Board is a quasi-judicial tribunal and it is independent. It is independent and at arm's length from the city in all respects, both with respect to administration and council. Council cannot direct the SDAB, nor can administration. It's even problematic when we meet with the board because they are an independent decision maker. The law that that Ms. Hamilton or GM Hamilton spoke to is well established that the going back to the days when I used to practice planning law, that a hearing before the subdivision development appeal board is a what they call a hearing de novo, which means it's heard afresh at the board. It's not simply a review of the development authority's decision. And they have to make their decision based on the law in place at the time of the decision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 1191.385, "end": 1198.025, "text": "And so we have even over the years had complexities when a hearing has been heard before the board." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 1198.665, "end": 1210.125, "text": "And then there's been a public hearing and there's been a land use change, and the board has not yet rendered a decision, and then a decision has to be rendered, and the law upon which they have to make the decision has been changed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 1210.645, "end": 1219.805, "text": "It's even become as complicated as that. And that goes back many years. That's not a new issue. And those principles that I spoke to are are well established in the case law." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1221.145, "end": 1224.665, "text": "Okay, so there's nothing in the wording of the bylaw that we just passed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1224.665, "end": 1233.265, "text": "Just a moment, Councilor Tyres. So our procedure bylaw allows for a question to administration and a follow up to allow for clarity. I'm going to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1233.265, "end": 1233.605, "text": "Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1233.605, "end": 1236.165, "text": "unless there's an objection, I would like to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1236.425, "end": 1239.325, "text": "hear the follow up from Councilor Tyrers. I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1239.625, "end": 1244.705, "text": "this is a matter of import to the council overall. I know many people are interested in asking this question. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1245.125, "end": 1250.065, "text": "unless there's any objection, I'd like to allow Councilor Tyrers to provide a second follow up question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1250.065, "end": 1250.265, "text": "Oh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1250.265, "end": 1251.065, "text": "Yeah, please go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1251.765, "end": 1256.805, "text": "I appreciate that, Chair. Thank you very much. It's very important. Um okay, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1258.305, "end": 1261.105, "text": "based on what we heard from Ms. Flowen," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1261.545, "end": 1264.585, "text": "the rules for RCG" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1265.005, "end": 1270.385, "text": "at the time are going to apply all the way through, even through the SDAB" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1271.565, "end": 1272.045, "text": "hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1273.365, "end": 1276.625, "text": "Through the chair, no counselor tires, that's not what we've been saying." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1278.685, "end": 1279.845, "text": "Okay, then that's a problem." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1280.925, "end": 1282.745, "text": "So with respectfully," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1283.645, "end": 1289.125, "text": "there is an effective date of when the land use bylaw rules change. There has to be an effective date." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1289.185, "end": 1290.305, "text": "Yeah, August 4th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1290.465, "end": 1293.485, "text": "Correct. Council declared August 4th as that effective date." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1294.645, "end": 1309.985, "text": "With any land use bylaw change, there is an effective date. So whether it's through the repeal rezoning or a couple it feels like a couple Septembers ago, it might have been last September, we had a significant number of land use bylaw amendments. They all have an effective date." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1310.945, "end": 1322.005, "text": "So, administration as the development authority must make a decision on the application in front of them based on the rules at the that are in play at the date of that decision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1323.545, "end": 1334.425, "text": "There are a select number of files, applications, that will always be caught in that transition period between the effective date and if there's an appeal when they are heard by SDAB." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1336.105, "end": 1342.505, "text": "SDAB is in the same position where they they look at the rules in effect of the time, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1343.705, "end": 1349.445, "text": "How they manage that transition, how they review those files is up to them, as Ms. Flowen said." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1351.365, "end": 1354.645, "text": "So there is nothing new here. This has always been the case." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1358.125, "end": 1364.385, "text": "The only there will always be an effective date. So if council wanted to change an effective date and not have August 4th," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1365.465, "end": 1372.425, "text": "we're there's always going to be a catch up because of the lag time between appeal and when SDAB is hearing those appeals right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1373.285, "end": 1375.385, "text": "So even if you change the effective date," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1377.165, "end": 1381.445, "text": "you're never going to catch up. Does that make sense? There's always going to be a transition period." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1382.445, "end": 1384.205, "text": "Ms. Floen, I don't know if you'd like to add further." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 1384.585, "end": 1429.125, "text": "Yeah, one of the things that I would add is when public hearings are held and applicants are potentially going to be caught in a transition period, it's really important during the public hearing that they speak to that because depending on the situation, it might be quite straightforward to create a rule that would address their situation, or it might be a very complicated rule, but it's not to say that we couldn't address it. But generally speaking, what JM Hamilton described is the process, has always been the process, and has always been the situation, and has always been a bit of a challenge. But we need people to identify these particular parcels because council can make amendments if there's a concern around the effective date." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1430.205, "end": 1434.345, "text": "And I will just add one more item, Mayor, if I may, for clarity for all." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1435.105, "end": 1450.725, "text": "Administration at following the repeal decision in March, well, April, we updated our website, Calgary.ca, to alert applicants that any application submitted for a row house or townhouse after May 4th" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1451.365, "end": 1453.085, "text": "would likely not be heard." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1453.305, "end": 1466.065, "text": "And and receive a decision before August 4th, and thus we have asked all those applications that are post May 4th to make sure that they comply with what the new rules will be after the August 4th effective date." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1466.825, "end": 1473.845, "text": "So we've been talking to applicants about this. There those everyone has known about August 4th since since April." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1474.605, "end": 1476.965, "text": "We'll go now to uh Counselor Shabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1479.405, "end": 1479.745, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1480.405, "end": 1481.405, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. I uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1483.525, "end": 1485.305, "text": "well of course last week we had a really long" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1485.545, "end": 1486.545, "text": "public hearing and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1487.105, "end": 1490.985, "text": "um it's kind of hard to keep track of all emails coming in and out of our offices." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1491.445, "end": 1493.665, "text": "Um and uh when I was downloading the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1494.065, "end": 1494.765, "text": "the agenda" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1494.965, "end": 1495.525, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1495.665, "end": 1496.345, "text": "last week" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1496.725, "end": 1497.645, "text": "for today's meeting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1498.205, "end": 1499.305, "text": "uh in the confidential" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1499.725, "end": 1501.325, "text": "um e scribe agenda," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1501.985, "end": 1505.625, "text": "um I noticed that on an item that's in confidential" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1506.005, "end": 1508.585, "text": "that there was uh confidential attachments one, two, three, and four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1509.105, "end": 1510.965, "text": "But it wasn't in EScribe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1511.405, "end": 1523.125, "text": "So when I went back to my emails, I did a search looking for maybe the GM who would be responsible for submitting something to members of council. Again, my search came up with nothing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1523.345, "end": 1556.005, "text": "So I emailed the GM directly, who was very prompt at responding and providing me with the appropriate attachments. But I guess my question is is there a mechanism that we can have in place so to make sure that something doesn't get missed by members of council, especially something important like budget, to flag it for us in a way that at least brings it to our attention and doesn't get missed, especially in light of the fact that the only reason it wasn't an E-scribe is because it didn't make the cutoff time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1556.365, "end": 1557.065, "text": "So again," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1557.505, "end": 1560.025, "text": "some way of highlighting it, maybe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1561.165, "end": 1576.025, "text": "you know, making an exception to making sure that all members of council are aware of the importance of a document that's been submitted to us for an upcoming discussion. I didn't get a chance to read it until early this morning. But thank you for responding so promptly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1576.265, "end": 1580.025, "text": "Uh to my request uh last night before leaving here at like nine o'clock." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1582.785, "end": 1584.445, "text": "That question is is there a way of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1585.025, "end": 1586.525, "text": "highlighting it better?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1587.385, "end": 1610.325, "text": "So in terms of the documents, um we in fact did uh we were unable to meet the cutoff date for um e scribe, and so the cover uh was in e scribe to hold the place um for this agenda item. And to our understanding, the the the follow up process for when that occurs is an email of this type. And um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1610.605, "end": 1627.805, "text": "Uh it went out on the 21st of July to all of council and inquiry from inquiry with the headline confidential items attachment 12.2.1 approach to the 2730 budget cycle. Um I appreciate that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1628.185, "end": 1641.765, "text": "members of council get an extremely high um number of emails. Um my apologies that this didn't um stand out more for catching um attention as it was coming in, and I can take away and have a conversation with clerks about." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1642.165, "end": 1652.085, "text": "What we might be able to do in the future to better highlight these or additional uh notifications going out to council when this situation happens again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1652.625, "end": 1659.845, "text": "Yeah, just as a follow up statement andor question, the the issue for me is that it came across as a CAO inquiry, and we get" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1660.305, "end": 1668.205, "text": "lots of emails that are related to CAO inquiries, and that's why it didn't automatically flag it for me as something of high importance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1668.765, "end": 1670.225, "text": "Just wanted to make that point. Thank you for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1671.105, "end": 1681.145, "text": "Yeah, and uh I appreciate Mr. Tucker's response. I'll just jump in uh as chair. I'm also partially responsible for agenda setting and ensuring that the appropriate attachments are in E scribe alongside the clerks, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1681.665, "end": 1686.005, "text": "I'll take better personal responsibility and ownership on that uh on a go forward, Councillor Shabot. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1686.345, "end": 1687.685, "text": "I saw the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1688.145, "end": 1693.205, "text": "I saw the email that was set out and I I had assumed it was on e scribe and I was going off of the email that I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1693.425, "end": 1696.985, "text": "But again, I I shouldn't assume that, and I I apologize sincerely to you, Councilor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1698.745, "end": 1700.145, "text": "Alright, uh, Counselor Dollywell, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1700.325, "end": 1701.305, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1702.465, "end": 1725.305, "text": "On June 30th, Piers Pass Southfield remain independent review panel and implementation advisory group center close out letter. And I'm gonna read from through this. Um asset management plans for some parts of the water system have not been issued, and prioritization and execution of inspections to guide risk, mitigation, and investment have not been completed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1725.865, "end": 1766.425, "text": "The water utility should provide a progress update to council within the next 90 days and make that update public. The update should answer these questions. Before I go to my question, these are the questions. Which water assets now have management plans that are issued, inspections that are completed and delivered, and high consequence assets remain without a current plan and when those plans will be finished. So my question is what is the plan? We are going into the budget setting. There's still AMPs outstanding, there's still inspections outstanding. We don't know what are the critical inspections pending. Is there a plan to have this to council and to public before we set the budget for four years?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1767.925, "end": 1804.605, "text": "Uh, thank you very much for the question. Uh the water transformation program will have a quarterly update report at executive committee on September 8th. As part of that report, we will have an initial response to the questions posed in the closeout letter regarding the utility asset management plans. Recognizing the importance of these uh documents that we are actively pulling together, we are planning on bringing a follow up report to the October Infrastructure and Planning Committee for a more fulsome discussion at that point. And we are already incorporating the recommendations and the work plans as part of those asset management plans in consideration for the 27 to 30 budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1804.925, "end": 1814.885, "text": "Great, thank you. And this will also include high consequence uh assets like uh water lines, wastewater lines that needs inspection and plan when those inspections will happen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1815.125, "end": 1815.705, "text": "Absolutely." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1815.885, "end": 1818.885, "text": "Thank you so much. Uh thanks, that's it for me, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1820.205, "end": 1820.545, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1822.225, "end": 1826.445, "text": "Alright, uh can I get a mover for the confirmation of agenda?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1827.765, "end": 1830.985, "text": "Move by Councillor Chabot, seconded by Counselor Dallywell." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1832.925, "end": 1834.445, "text": "Alright, on the agenda, Councilor Dollwell." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1836.045, "end": 1842.425, "text": "Thank you so much, Mayor. I would like to uh poll, not poll, 9.4.11 is my notice of motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1842.745, "end": 1876.445, "text": "And I think clerks got a I just want to take this off our agenda today for debate. So the motion is there. This notice of motion is a good notice of motion, but uh we we feel that it needs to uh it needs to come off so we can make it more robust, more surgical, and get the outcome that we are desiring. So uh I've sent a notice to administration they're fully on board. So hopefully colleagues can support this so we can just take it off agenda and I'll bring try to bring it back in in the near future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1877.305, "end": 1879.745, "text": "Subtraction, I like it. Alright, uh, is there a seconder for that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1880.205, "end": 1885.665, "text": "Second by Councillor Atkinson. So that's to uh file the notice of motion and to take it off today's agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1886.685, "end": 1888.025, "text": "Uh any" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1889.845, "end": 1893.205, "text": "any opposition to or I'm gonna just call the question with a voice vote. All in favor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1894.205, "end": 1894.865, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1895.585, "end": 1897.665, "text": "Seeing none, that motion is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1898.225, "end": 1900.205, "text": "We'll go to Councillor McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1900.925, "end": 1901.705, "text": "Yeah, thanks, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1902.065, "end": 1907.745, "text": "I also like to refer an item 9.4.8 establishment of intermunicipal committees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1908.185, "end": 1914.385, "text": "Between foothills and Rocky Views. It's a bylaw. I want to put it back to administration for further discussion with administration and the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1914.845, "end": 1922.345, "text": "IMC committees of our two neighboring community uh municipalities and report back to Intergovernmental Affairs Committee no later than Q1 2027." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1923.005, "end": 1924.605, "text": "Is there a seconder for that referral?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1925.465, "end": 1926.765, "text": "Uh second by Councillor Dallywell." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1927.785, "end": 1929.025, "text": "Any debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1932.325, "end": 1933.485, "text": "Uh Councillor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1936.005, "end": 1937.485, "text": "Yeah, sorry, I'm just not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1938.205, "end": 1940.685, "text": "sure I understand the rationale. It's fairly" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1941.365, "end": 1944.085, "text": "it's very much a template type of an agreement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1944.625, "end": 1945.845, "text": "I guess maybe if you can give me some" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1946.285, "end": 1947.645, "text": "further clarity as to why" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1947.845, "end": 1949.665, "text": "it's necessary to table this one when it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1950.205, "end": 1951.265, "text": "very much a replica." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1952.425, "end": 1955.145, "text": "Very similar in nature to every other agreement that we have, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1955.725, "end": 1956.945, "text": "maybe you can address that in your close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1958.385, "end": 1962.585, "text": "Yeah, I believe it was at the request of our neighboring municipalities. Maybe I can have uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1962.725, "end": 1964.825, "text": "someone from administration speak further to this, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1968.565, "end": 1987.685, "text": "Through the chair to the counselors, I believe, I'm looking. I believe there is some wording that needs to be changed. And of course, there are multiple municipalities approving this, so it needs to go to go back to get that done and worked out with the other municipalities before we approve it here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1988.525, "end": 1989.125, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1990.985, "end": 1994.065, "text": "Thanks, DM Hamilton. That was my understanding as well is that there was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1994.265, "end": 1996.865, "text": "somebody caught a last minute wording change, and so we had to do that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1997.285, "end": 1997.745, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1998.825, "end": 1999.225, "text": "closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1999.665, "end": 2000.925, "text": "All right, let's engage the vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2020.285, "end": 2021.685, "text": "Counselor Ewell, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2021.885, "end": 2022.225, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2022.405, "end": 2022.945, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2023.665, "end": 2025.105, "text": "Councillor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2026.105, "end": 2026.645, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2027.185, "end": 2028.645, "text": "Councilor Kelly is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2029.825, "end": 2031.225, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2031.425, "end": 2032.805, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2041.245, "end": 2043.505, "text": "All right, that motion is carried. The uh referral is passed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2043.785, "end": 2044.545, "text": "I have one more" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2045.045, "end": 2045.725, "text": "Okay, back to item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2045.725, "end": 2046.545, "text": "minutes, maybe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2046.945, "end": 2050.565, "text": "I would like to refer 12.2.1. It's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2051.205, "end": 2052.405, "text": "on our budgeting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2052.825, "end": 2057.965, "text": "to be moved up ahead of schedule to the front of the line. We have chair, I talked to the chair" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2058.165, "end": 2061.465, "text": "Siddiqui of the police commission yesterday. She's unable to attend." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2061.985, "end": 2066.545, "text": "We have the chief of police here, we have the rest of the commission. They've got really important things to do that uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2066.885, "end": 2067.445, "text": "I know" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2067.765, "end": 2069.985, "text": "we've got other items we talked about during first, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2070.485, "end": 2073.225, "text": "But this council that could take two, three, four hours. We've got" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2073.725, "end": 2079.705, "text": "lots of crime and disorder to take care of. We've got a search for Parker. We've got a lot of things we could do that I think the police and commission could be doing. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2080.045, "end": 2082.765, "text": "I'd like to refer that to bump it up right uh to the first thing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2083.145, "end": 2088.865, "text": "Okay, I think that's uh motion to bring forward that item to be the first item dealt with at the conclusion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2089.465, "end": 2090.565, "text": "Of the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2092.785, "end": 2094.825, "text": "you want it before the consent agenda, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2096.685, "end": 2099.185, "text": "Or before the consent agenda items, but after medical." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2099.185, "end": 2099.645, "text": "Clerk, go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2100.085, "end": 2102.965, "text": "Before consent agenda. So as as quick as possible." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2104.505, "end": 2121.885, "text": "Thanks, Mayor Farkas. Typically we will pull the items off of consent so that members of administration are aware whether their item is proceeding or not. Any opposition to setting this following consent agenda, but for clarity, this would be before the items are debated. It would just be at the conclusion of the omnibus motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2122.505, "end": 2123.325, "text": "Sounds good. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2123.325, "end": 2124.345, "text": "Okay, we will prepare that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2124.965, "end": 2126.865, "text": "is there a second for that, colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2127.825, "end": 2130.145, "text": "Uh second by uh Counselor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2130.925, "end": 2132.765, "text": "Uh on this one, Counselor Panasopoulos?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2132.985, "end": 2156.165, "text": "Absolutely. I'll be bringing uh right after uh Councilor McLean something very similar. Um all I'm asking for this was there's three items that are very time sensitive, uh just given um the Aboriginal Urban Affairs Committee, the Advisory Committee on Accessibility and Social Wellbeing. They just need some uh guidance and the approval of amending their terms of reference to a bylaw. I think it's it's very non um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2157.105, "end": 2219.665, "text": "Uh not a lot of issues. Hopefully, it's very straightforward. As discussed the committee came through very straightforward. So these would be a very short time frame. It's very critical because if they miss the deadline, if we go into debate, we all want that debate on budgets, no questions. So what we're asking for is just these three. You know, certainly the half an hour or so that we're going to give up to go through these, uh, I think is pale in comparison to what the implications are if we fail to have these discussed. If this went into tomorrow, they could potentially miss this deadline from a recruiting perspective. Uh, something that's very important. So immediately as per the agenda, 12.2.1 will be debated after these three items. It's already there. My amendment is just changing some ordering. So I'm asking to uh consistent with Council McLean is let these three go through. Uh my commitment is if we're more than 20, 30 minutes, we can also make an amendment and and come back and go to 12.2.1. So my ask is maybe that is just have some uh let's give a little time for these. And if it takes too long, we certainly can uh look to change the uh to get into budget because number one priority for today is definitely debating the budget and having discussions on the budget, not so much debating. But uh so hopefully." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2219.665, "end": 2220.505, "text": "So sorry, you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2220.505, "end": 2220.985, "text": "Yeah, I'm done." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2220.985, "end": 2230.765, "text": "M Madam Clerk, how did you want to uh process that? Uh Counselor Panasopoulos and amendment to the amendment, or should we decide this one first and then would it be reconsidering this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2234.025, "end": 2235.825, "text": "So this one's already on the floor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2235.825, "end": 2236.025, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2236.025, "end": 2240.505, "text": "So the first item to be dispensed of would be this one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2240.985, "end": 2241.545, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2242.725, "end": 2246.765, "text": "I would recommend Council just proceed with this one and then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2246.925, "end": 2247.605, "text": "Then I'll recognize" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2247.605, "end": 2255.765, "text": "you'll recognize Council Pantozoulos for the second one because we do have timed items that administration's asking us to reorder with respect to section nine." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2256.285, "end": 2256.625, "text": "okay" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2257.385, "end": 2260.605, "text": "all right. Uh on this still, uh Councilor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 2261.925, "end": 2276.305, "text": "Sorry, that's the clarity I'm looking for. Um it's in our package, it's it's like 12.2.1, which is this one, is time specific following 9.4.4. We already have those three:" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 2277.225, "end": 2297.905, "text": "9.4.2, 9.4.3, and 9.4.4 as the time specific items first, second, and third following the consent agenda. So it's sort of already scheduled as one, two, three, then this item, all specifically sort of already set up in our agenda. We don't need to do any of this, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2299.245, "end": 2306.265, "text": "Yeah, it's Chair Councillor Atkinson, uh how I read Councilor McLean's amendment is to bump it further" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2306.885, "end": 2310.845, "text": "before those three items. So Councilor McClain is asking that uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2311.325, "end": 2324.485, "text": "the budget item be the immediate, immediate thing, whereas if we just let uh the agenda play out as it's already set, we deal with those three things, then we get to to budget. So the question for council is really do you think those three items can vote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 2325.945, "end": 2326.445, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2326.705, "end": 2326.985, "text": "Is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2327.185, "end": 2328.065, "text": "correct, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2328.465, "end": 2329.125, "text": "Madam Clerk?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2329.205, "end": 2330.225, "text": "That's exactly it, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 2331.065, "end": 2336.125, "text": "And and then I just wanted to also check that these items um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 2338.065, "end": 2340.565, "text": "all of these items will come before" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 2340.945, "end": 2348.465, "text": "before uh any items pulled uh from consent agenda. Yes. Okay, great. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2348.745, "end": 2349.945, "text": "Councilor Weiness, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2350.265, "end": 2352.505, "text": "Thanks. Uh I'm not gonna be supporting this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2353.025, "end": 2356.505, "text": "uh because we've already set timed items on the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2356.885, "end": 2364.745, "text": "Uh it's not just about the police, the budget. And if the police want to stick around, they can because they have a budget ass, just like every other business unit we will be unpacking today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2365.225, "end": 2365.565, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2366.305, "end": 2367.965, "text": "budget will not be completed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2368.225, "end": 2370.845, "text": "All right, please mute uh to allow Councillor Weiness to speak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2371.125, "end": 2375.745, "text": "Like with this council, I guess the concern I understand your concern about how long council runs," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2376.445, "end": 2376.825, "text": "but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2377.605, "end": 2380.425, "text": "budget is going to take this council a long time with what's in that package." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2380.685, "end": 2381.805, "text": "So starting it at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2382.685, "end": 2385.665, "text": "Uh 1030 or as soon as we complete three items is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2386.305, "end": 2391.325, "text": "not much of a difference when council will be probably spending the entire day on it. So I will not support this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2393.645, "end": 2398.965, "text": "Okay, that concludes the queue. If we could just uh repeat, Madam Clerk, the the way things are set up is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2399.385, "end": 2400.225, "text": "right now," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2401.005, "end": 2406.085, "text": "942 Advisory Committee on Accessibility and Access Design, 943 Social Wellbeing Committee," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2406.505, "end": 2407.465, "text": "944" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2407.645, "end": 2410.885, "text": "Calgary Aboriginal Urban Affairs Committee, those three items will be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2411.485, "end": 2412.465, "text": "dealt with immediately." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2412.905, "end": 2416.805, "text": "And then we'd be going to the budget. That's how we're kind of structured as is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2417.225, "end": 2419.365, "text": "Councilor McLean's amendment here is to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2419.805, "end": 2423.665, "text": "allow the budget to skip those three items and move to the very front." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2423.885, "end": 2424.145, "text": "Exactly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2424.145, "end": 2424.985, "text": "Or very start. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2425.225, "end": 2425.585, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2426.105, "end": 2427.865, "text": "Over to Councilor McLean to close on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2428.545, "end": 2430.345, "text": "Yeah, yeah, thank you. I think I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2430.945, "end": 2433.205, "text": "heard a lot of us talk about how public safety" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2433.585, "end": 2435.305, "text": "is the most important thing in our uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2435.905, "end": 2441.785, "text": "on our agenda. And we have our top people here to talk about public safety in their budget asked. They have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2443.025, "end": 2444.005, "text": "Don't interrupt me, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2444.705, "end": 2447.905, "text": "If these other three items are more important to you, they can't wait an hour." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2448.085, "end": 2454.745, "text": "These people are here now, is what I'm saying. This was a last-minute request. I talked to the chief uh the commissioner last night." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2455.705, "end": 2457.985, "text": "And a lot of these people have really they have jobs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2458.325, "end": 2459.485, "text": "They actually have real jobs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2461.985, "end": 2474.765, "text": "These businesses, so again, if you want this isn't going to take that long. They're here right now. I know how this committee works or this council works. They could be sitting here till two or three o'clock in the afternoon the way we have our previous uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2475.345, "end": 2491.005, "text": "Examples have shown us. Anyways, this isn't a big deal, guys. Let's just let these people they're here. Let's go back and talk to them first. Do our budget request. They were summit here last minute. They've got important work to do. These other people can come back. We can come back shortly and then uh address those other three items after that. That's all I'm asking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2493.925, "end": 2497.185, "text": "All right. On that, uh, Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote on that amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2516.225, "end": 2517.505, "text": "Councilor Clark, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2517.505, "end": 2517.825, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2518.165, "end": 2518.705, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2519.445, "end": 2520.865, "text": "Councilor Kelly is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2521.125, "end": 2522.585, "text": "Councilor McLean, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2523.665, "end": 2524.045, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2524.345, "end": 2524.885, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2525.345, "end": 2526.625, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2526.765, "end": 2527.505, "text": "all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2527.725, "end": 2529.125, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2531.865, "end": 2534.205, "text": "On that, the motion has been defeated, five to nine." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2535.005, "end": 2535.745, "text": "We'll um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2536.165, "end": 2539.525, "text": "move uh Councilor Panizopoulos. I believe you're not uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2540.405, "end": 2541.505, "text": "Your motion's not required." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2542.265, "end": 2543.665, "text": "Or it is? Yep. Whoops. My bad." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2543.665, "end": 2545.885, "text": "Absolutely. Yeah. And and uh thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2545.885, "end": 2547.105, "text": "Just the opposite of what I said." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2547.365, "end": 2547.985, "text": "Sorry, go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2547.985, "end": 2556.945, "text": "The only amendment, the only change what we're proposing is just changing the ordering. Um the three items will still be discussed. Most importantly, the budget uh 12.2.1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2557.365, "end": 2567.465, "text": "So we're asking to move instead of 234, it's 423. And then the subtle change is right now the agenda is written as 12.2.1 follows 9.4.4." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2567.745, "end": 2585.465, "text": "But we're just asking to put it to point three so that way we can debate these, discuss these three, be finished with them, and then get to the big business of discussing our budget cycle. So very procedural. Let's get through these. As Council McLean just said, we've got uh important matters to go through, so hopefully we can get through and just this subtle change to the agenda. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2586.505, "end": 2588.865, "text": "All right. Uh that's on the floor. Is there a seconder, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2590.485, "end": 2591.705, "text": "Second by Councilor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2592.325, "end": 2594.605, "text": "Um, I think you're closed. Let's engage the e-book." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2595.545, "end": 2597.705, "text": "Oh, uh on this, Counselor Jameson. Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 2599.485, "end": 2601.725, "text": "Real quick, just can you clarify like why" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 2602.165, "end": 2605.325, "text": "this is important? I mean, we have an agenda, it was set." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 2605.765, "end": 2610.045, "text": "What why do we need to move this? Why is it important? Why should I support it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 2610.325, "end": 2610.745, "text": "That's all." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2612.985, "end": 2617.365, "text": "Actually, if if I can, uh we'll allow him to to close at the end, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2617.585, "end": 2620.985, "text": "it's it's because our decisions on one of the item" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2621.205, "end": 2622.285, "text": "is going to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2622.525, "end": 2625.425, "text": "potentially impact our decisions on the next one. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2625.865, "end": 2633.605, "text": "It's uh it's not purely a convenience thing. There's if council votes a certain way on one thing, it could change our options or alternatives for the next one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2634.125, "end": 2634.965, "text": "And it just makes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2635.305, "end": 2637.765, "text": "without going into personnel matters, it makes more sense" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2638.145, "end": 2638.745, "text": "logically." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2645.505, "end": 2647.245, "text": "I'll uh go to Councillor Penazoplas, cool." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2647.245, "end": 2651.445, "text": "Yeah, sure. I I think the three items are on. I guess the first question um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2651.885, "end": 2679.865, "text": "we approve the agenda with these three items. It's just a matter as the mayor said, from personnel perspective. So uh if if we uh vote this, it it it makes the meeting run a little more efficient. I think that was the ultimate goal. But again, these three are not new items. It was clearly in the agenda uh that these were going to be brought forward and then just followed by 12.2.1. And the subtlety is we have to change it from three, excuse me, from point four to point three. So it's just a procedural matter, an operations manager, and let's get to it so we can uh get to the business of uh the budget. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2680.585, "end": 2685.325, "text": "Alright, on that let's engage the e vote for the uh reordering of the uh first three items." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2698.705, "end": 2700.005, "text": "Councilor Chabot, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2703.345, "end": 2705.405, "text": "Thank you. Councilor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2707.885, "end": 2708.405, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2708.645, "end": 2710.085, "text": "Councillor Kelly is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2710.545, "end": 2712.225, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2712.805, "end": 2714.105, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2717.925, "end": 2720.945, "text": "That motion is carried 13 to 1 with Councillor Johnston opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2723.025, "end": 2725.425, "text": "Alright, um to Councilor Clark on the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2726.105, "end": 2750.825, "text": "Yes, thank you, worship. Um colleagues, I just also have a time sensitive piece, although I think it's likely to land post dinner break for the um uh pardon me, the lobbyist registry, the 9.4.10 uh item. I just want to ensure that we have uh legal counsel uh Emily Laidlaw available to us. And so I just wonder if we could put forward um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2751.345, "end": 2762.325, "text": "I believe it's an after dinner break, essentially the first item post dinner. Uh that in that way she's available and uh isn't on on call all day being paid to wait for us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2763.225, "end": 2764.265, "text": "Is there a seconder for that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2764.725, "end": 2765.865, "text": "Uh second by counselor ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2766.905, "end": 2768.965, "text": "All right. Uh any further debate on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2770.905, "end": 2772.245, "text": "Seeing none, back to you to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2772.505, "end": 2772.925, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2773.225, "end": 2774.885, "text": "All right, let's engage the vote on the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2775.765, "end": 2783.345, "text": "uh adjustment of 9410 lobbyist registry to be time specific immediately following the dinner recess. Approximately 750." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2796.805, "end": 2799.745, "text": "With Councill Kelly being absent, Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2800.145, "end": 2801.545, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2805.905, "end": 2807.805, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 14-0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2808.385, "end": 2817.645, "text": "Actually I apologize, colleagues. I I should have mentioned Deputy Mayor Kelly is uh absent on city business this morning at a uh funding announcement with the federal government in relation to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2818.025, "end": 2819.685, "text": "Soccer and rec funding. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2820.005, "end": 2821.225, "text": "just giant thank you to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2821.805, "end": 2822.865, "text": "Deputy Mayor Kelly for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2823.205, "end": 2825.165, "text": "not being here and doing other important stuff." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2826.125, "end": 2828.245, "text": "Alright, uh Councillor Tyres, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2830.365, "end": 2871.905, "text": "Yes, thank you. I have I'm asking my colleagues to debate and discuss what we just heard from administration. I believe that there needs to be a transitional framework that is provided for those that are caught in the limbo of this situation where the application, um, the permit is approved under certain rules, and then on August 4th, different rules apply. I think we need to provide certainty, um, especially to all these people who have, you know, spent a lot of uh money, time. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2872.665, "end": 2891.845, "text": "and just uh general effort in this appeal process, uh we really need to um to make sure that we're providing that certainty. There are some cases, um especially my ward, uh there there's actually a bunch, that if if we allow this um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2892.705, "end": 2959.785, "text": "To happen, if we don't intervene, they may not have a chance for a public hearing and they may not have a chance to appeal it. And so people are gonna see row houses going up and they're gonna say, wait a second, I thought we I thought we were following the process. I thought that um that we were gonna have a chance to have our say. And if we do not um debate this and figure this out and make this super clear and have that um transitional framework in place, um that we're we're gonna have some serious problems, especially since there's a lot of applications being approved as we speak, they're gonna be in that limbo as well. So if the number is 13 that are affected right now, who knows what the number will be after this. So I really um ask my colleagues to to give us this opportunity to to debate it, to ask questions of administration and really get this right because um there have been concerns, and I just I just want to make sure that um we're able uh to provide that framework. And I believe um I did send the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2960.585, "end": 2961.305, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2962.285, "end": 2962.785, "text": "okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2964.185, "end": 2984.985, "text": "Yeah, so just needs to go forward as an um item of urgent business. The timing of it does not matter. And I do realize that it's a long agenda, and I apologize, but this this came up last minute, as you guys know. Um, just doing our due diligence, I think, would be really good on this one. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2987.245, "end": 2990.645, "text": "Thank you. That's uh been moved by Councillor Tyres. Is there a seconder?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2991.325, "end": 2992.385, "text": "Second by Councilor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2993.325, "end": 3002.325, "text": "Alright, just uh process wise, uh this adding of the urgent notice of motion will require 10 votes of uh council to uh be added to the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3002.825, "end": 3004.345, "text": "Uh for debate, councilor clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3005.425, "end": 3009.685, "text": "I suppose just and I understand I can only ask you the question, so but um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3011.265, "end": 3016.225, "text": "so this invites us to have m further discussion on the item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3016.425, "end": 3026.245, "text": "On a previously discussed item, I think. Or I'm sorry, I'm just a bit and the the goal here is to just further the discussion. Um there may be an action item that per follows." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3027.165, "end": 3033.845, "text": "Yeah, perhaps I'll just read what the motion reads. Uh if we can have it also displayed on the screen for the members of the public. So it reads" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3034.165, "end": 3036.265, "text": "be it resolved that Council A" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3036.585, "end": 3043.505, "text": "direct administration to report back through the infrastructure and planning committee no later than Q4 2026 with options and recommendations" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3043.785, "end": 3047.565, "text": "to ensure that any development to permit approved prior to August 4," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3047.945, "end": 3052.225, "text": "2026, and subsequently appealed to the subdivision and development appeal board" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3052.565, "end": 3058.905, "text": "be adjudic adjudicated under the land use bylaw that was in effect at the time the development permit was approved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3059.345, "end": 3062.165, "text": "Including any amendments necessary to implement" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3062.525, "end": 3066.145, "text": "to implementation policies, procedures, or bylaws to achieve this outcome." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3066.425, "end": 3067.145, "text": "And B," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3067.565, "end": 3085.345, "text": "the council direct administration to implement a transitional framework that provides certainty and procedural fairness to applicants, appellants, and affected parties by ensuring development permits approved before August 4, 2026 continue to be reviewed through the appeal process under the bylaw rules in force on the date of approval." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3085.705, "end": 3090.145, "text": "Got it. And this would have been received this morning. I'm sorry, I haven't seen this yet." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3090.145, "end": 3092.545, "text": "This was sent uh I believe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3092.925, "end": 3094.065, "text": "after the start of the meeting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3094.205, "end": 3094.565, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3094.965, "end": 3096.085, "text": "At 10.03 a.m. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3096.645, "end": 3098.545, "text": "Okay, got it. Okay. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3099.345, "end": 3106.745, "text": "I apologize for bringing this forward to everybody like this, but I just had some questions, but I feel like they've been clarified. Perhaps in your closing, you could speak further to it. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3107.225, "end": 3108.065, "text": "All right, Councilor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3111.765, "end": 3112.305, "text": "Yeah, I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3113.405, "end": 3114.485, "text": "I thought I thought I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3114.625, "end": 3118.405, "text": "made it clear through my questions of administration when we're having this debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3118.805, "end": 3121.265, "text": "As to how these things would get ruled on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3121.645, "end": 3123.345, "text": "post-August 4th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3123.645, "end": 3131.325, "text": "I thought everyone was clear on it because I did hear from administration exactly how the things how things were going to progress from that day on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3132.025, "end": 3133.065, "text": "This to me" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3133.385, "end": 3134.665, "text": "first of all" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3135.045, "end": 3141.825, "text": "is wrong because we can't direct SDEB to do anything on any timeline." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3142.205, "end": 3146.205, "text": "If we had decided to implement something." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3146.425, "end": 3154.085, "text": "A later date to allow the appeals to get processed, then maybe. But now we're talking about going back," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3154.585, "end": 3157.525, "text": "re-advertising, revisiting the land use bylaw," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3158.165, "end": 3164.505, "text": "making amendments to it, changing the date. Meanwhile, there's a whole bunch that are going to be moving forward between now and then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3164.925, "end": 3170.545, "text": "that are going to escape this. This is to me, this is this is wrong." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3170.865, "end": 3180.545, "text": "This is not the right way to address this. And and again, we can't direct SDAB to do anything. This is asking us to tell SDAB on how to adjudicate, which we can't do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3181.065, "end": 3188.825, "text": "This the thing about notices of motion, the reason we have a process, is to circulate it to all the different departments to get feedback." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3189.145, "end": 3193.245, "text": "I guarantee you, if this had been circulated with the planning department and with law," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3193.745, "end": 3195.265, "text": "it would not be written this way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3196.065, "end": 3198.585, "text": "This is not something I could support today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3198.805, "end": 3200.505, "text": "Not in this current written form." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3200.985, "end": 3203.805, "text": "So, and I don't have the time to try and amend it on the fly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3204.125, "end": 3206.245, "text": "nor do I think we should amend it on the fly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3206.765, "end": 3208.565, "text": "It's it's not something that we can support" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3209.185, "end": 3210.725, "text": "because we can't actually do this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3211.325, "end": 3212.725, "text": "So I'm I'm gonna be opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3213.285, "end": 3217.685, "text": "All right. Uh Councilor Shabot raises an important point. And as chair," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3218.345, "end": 3224.425, "text": "uh the procedure bylaw asked me to make a recommendation to council as to whether it should be added as urgent business." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3224.905, "end": 3228.885, "text": "Uh given that the notice of motion checklist was not provided, there wasn't the prevetting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3230.125, "end": 3233.825, "text": "to for me to come up with a recommendation for you, colleagues. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3234.025, "end": 3235.585, "text": "probably at this point got to bring in legal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3236.985, "end": 3238.065, "text": "Ms. Flone," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3238.345, "end": 3241.645, "text": "through uh City Manager Duckworth, do you have a view on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3242.445, "end": 3246.985, "text": "this notice of motion and whether it's uh legally properly put? Uh can council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3247.605, "end": 3265.285, "text": "uh direct adjudication processes uh can we develop a transitional framework for SDAB? Um I'm just I'm just trying to pull aside whether or not we would want to do this is a separate question uh as to whether we actually legally can do this. And that's the the crux of what I'm trying to answer for council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 3266.225, "end": 3304.925, "text": "So um again I only just saw it moments ago as well. And uh in terms of B, in my opinion, no, you can't do this. So um we can talk about it if the notice of motion gets put through and we can have a broader discussion around it, but there is no authority. Counselor Chabot is absolutely correct. It would require an amendment to the land use bylaw, which requires advertising in a public hearing in order to come up and implement any options that are considered an A. Can we come up with options? Sure, we can. Um but it will take time and it will take advertising. So uh we can talk more about that if the notice of motion is added. Um, and again, you can amend the notice of motion if it gets added, but um I do have a concern with B." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3306.305, "end": 3309.245, "text": "All right, Ms. Flowen, would that also apply to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3309.745, "end": 3311.765, "text": "attempting to direct under a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3312.325, "end": 3314.585, "text": "uh subdivision appeal board to use" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3315.225, "end": 3322.185, "text": "the land use bylaw as it was in effect the time the permit was approved? Like if we're giving conditions to SD B to hear appeals, does that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3322.545, "end": 3323.825, "text": "concern you? You're comfortable with that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 3324.525, "end": 3381.965, "text": "So the rate the way that I read A is that options would be brought back to the committee and those options would be discussed. The way that I would see it, just as I stand here thinking about it, is it would be an amendment to the land use bylaw, not directing the SDAB, but we would create the proper rule that would allow for administration as well as the SDAB to operate in that environment. In effect, Ms. Jim Hamilton spoke earlier about the effective date. I see it being around something like that and coming up with something really creative. And I can assure you it won't be simple. It will be complicated and it will be confusing. And I'm sure that people will have a hard time understanding it. That's not to say we can't create something that wouldn't work. We could, and that is defensible. But remember, everybody needs to understand it and it needs to be applied consistently and withstand any challenges." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3382.205, "end": 3395.205, "text": "And when I read any development permit approved prior to August 4, 2026, would that apply to all development of permits, or would it be specifically that tranche of exempted permits from the uh blanket rezoning repeal?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 3396.065, "end": 3400.525, "text": "So as I mentioned earlier, all decisions must be based on the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 3401.125, "end": 3410.185, "text": "law in place on the date of decision. So for any development permits, let's say that we go to IPC and there's a an um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 3410.725, "end": 3414.345, "text": "uh desire to bring forward an amendment to the land use bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 3415.465, "end": 3424.045, "text": "All development permits at the development authority level and at the subdivision development appeal board level would be adjudicated in place as of the law as of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 3425.785, "end": 3441.545, "text": "the effective date, not the future the future amendments. Only until those future amendments are passed following a public hearing and are effective, will then those properties that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 3442.425, "end": 3460.465, "text": "Perhaps are desired to be under this different system could then be subject to that system. So there is going to be a period of time that whatever is in place on the effective date of August 4th is going to continue until more amendments are made. I was quite confusing in how I said that. I hope that made sense." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3461.085, "end": 3466.845, "text": "All right, uh colleagues, you all heard the answers. Based on what we heard there, I'm gonna recommend as chair" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3467.125, "end": 3472.385, "text": "to not add this as urgent business. I have some concerns around our legal ability to do it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3472.785, "end": 3475.565, "text": "based on how the the verbiage is written." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3476.045, "end": 3478.145, "text": "I hope uh colleagues in good faith you'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3478.665, "end": 3479.785, "text": "uh get the sense that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3479.945, "end": 3482.565, "text": "I'm I'm warm to the argument that Councillor Tyres" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3483.045, "end": 3489.805, "text": "uh had suggested in in her question period, but not having had the opportunity to vet it, I'm quite concerned about council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3490.205, "end": 3493.145, "text": "Stepping on the toes of the independent subdivision and appeal board." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3493.525, "end": 3497.845, "text": "That said, I will not be recommending the adoption of this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3498.245, "end": 3500.085, "text": "notice of motion, but I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3500.225, "end": 3504.025, "text": "given it's going to be a long meeting, a recommendation might be Councillor Tyres, should this fail," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3504.465, "end": 3507.845, "text": "we have the ability until the meeting is done, perhaps, to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3508.365, "end": 3513.045, "text": "get the verbiage in a way that a different notice of motion could be added that addresses those concerns. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3513.345, "end": 3521.045, "text": "as it stands at this point, my recommendation is not to add this notice of motion based on uh those legal concerns." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3521.845, "end": 3525.185, "text": "All right, Councillor Schmidt, please. On debate on adding this notice of motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3526.125, "end": 3532.245, "text": "I won't belabor the point, but given that um members of the public may be watching, we did receive" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3533.225, "end": 3542.005, "text": "sizable volume of emails uh since y late yesterday afternoon about this. I think that while a position on uh I agree that B is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3542.265, "end": 3591.785, "text": "Just not something that we're legally able to do and we're on shaky ground here as far as uh how much we are injecting ourselves into a quasi-judicial process. Even with a if we have a defensible position, uh we're still coming up against the rules in the municipal the the legislation in the municipal government act. So as defensible as it may be, I think that given we've already changed multiple dates from the previous public hearing that were put in place from the public hearing before that to do another public hearing where we change dates again, we are certainly opening ourselves up to uh liability no matter how defensible our position is. And even with a defensible position, you still have to go to court and pay for that. And I mean, I had those concerns during the previous public hearing. I didn't raise them because I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3592.385, "end": 3597.165, "text": "figured I didn't want to open ourselves up to that possibility. But now that we are going" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3598.225, "end": 3659.125, "text": "Further through the looking glass here, I if we do this again, uh no matter how defensible or creative our position may be, we will certainly find ourselves in legal proceedings uh with those that may take issue with us going backwards and forwards and backwards and forwards and backwards and forwards for the f probably what's this the fourth time now? So um, you know, we're talking about fewer than 20 applications here, and there are out of 306,000, we need to expect that there will be things that fall through the cracks because we are dealing with, again, a quasi-judicial system that is outside of our control. So for us to get to this level of detail and to tinker to this extent is something that is uh functionally puts us into a position of bad governance and liability. And I really hope that uh we do not support this today and do not bring this up any further because this ship has fully sailed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3660.285, "end": 3661.585, "text": "Counselor Johnston, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3662.665, "end": 3664.765, "text": "Yeah, I just wanted to um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3665.785, "end": 3669.725, "text": "a bit of a point of order, but uh part of a debate is um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3670.145, "end": 3675.665, "text": "it's not a requirement to bring a notice of motion through uh a checklist. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3676.045, "end": 3680.125, "text": "it's governed by the bylaw section 117, I believe. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3680.625, "end": 3691.385, "text": "so going forward, urgent notice of motion can be brought up at any point. It doesn't have to go through administration's approval. Um, same with amendments. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3692.365, "end": 3694.785, "text": "I I'll just leave it there, but um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3695.365, "end": 3698.205, "text": "I probably won't be supporting this right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3698.925, "end": 3703.605, "text": "But just going forward, you can bring an urgent notice of motion at any point under the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3709.625, "end": 3712.905, "text": "All right, uh back to uh Councillor Tyresclose, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3714.585, "end": 3715.465, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3715.825, "end": 3724.705, "text": "Thank you so much for everybody for weighing in and appreciate, I guess, you giving me the time to discuss an issue that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3725.045, "end": 3730.465, "text": "potentially might be a massive loophole that needs to be fixed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3730.705, "end": 3731.285, "text": "If" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3731.885, "end": 3745.225, "text": "it turns out that it's not an issue at all, great. But if it is, just know that I did bring it up here and did my best to manage the fallout close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3748.585, "end": 3753.625, "text": "All right, Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote. And uh this uh addition to the agenda requires ten votes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3767.345, "end": 3771.585, "text": "Councillor Kelly is absent. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Thank you. All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3772.105, "end": 3773.465, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3781.825, "end": 3785.285, "text": "On that, the uh motion has been defeated, uh six to eight." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3788.625, "end": 3794.445, "text": "Uh councillors uh ward, Johnston, Jamison Tyres, McLean, and myself uh were uh in favor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3794.825, "end": 3799.685, "text": "Councillor Schmidt, Daliwell, Penazopoulos, Atkinson, Clark, Yule, Chabot, and Wynass were opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3801.065, "end": 3802.085, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3802.485, "end": 3804.905, "text": "Anybody else on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3806.125, "end": 3807.885, "text": "We're still on the agenda. Anyone on the agenda?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3811.645, "end": 3813.625, "text": "Yep, going once, going twice." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3815.325, "end": 3818.865, "text": "Councillor Chabot does not uh do you want to close on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3821.125, "end": 3824.865, "text": "Yeah, I know I was gonna have a very long soliloquy about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3825.245, "end": 3825.865, "text": "It's not kind of meeting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3825.865, "end": 3829.525, "text": "commands that we made, but you know what, in the interest of time, I'll just say closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3831.145, "end": 3834.885, "text": "I wonder what the longest close on a agenda setting is. Uh I'm sure it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3836.825, "end": 3839.765, "text": "all right. Uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote on the agenda as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3849.425, "end": 3850.885, "text": "Councillor Kelly is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3851.325, "end": 3852.845, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3854.005, "end": 3855.165, "text": "All right, please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3858.045, "end": 3860.125, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 14 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3860.645, "end": 3863.925, "text": "Can I get a mover and seconder for confirmation of a minute, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3864.225, "end": 3864.825, "text": "Councilor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3865.565, "end": 3868.805, "text": "Uh happy to move it and I have to say uh kudos to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3869.185, "end": 3871.025, "text": "to the clerks for for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3871.225, "end": 3872.165, "text": "managing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3872.485, "end": 3876.245, "text": "the ins and outs of members of council. I don't know if you had a chance to look through the minutes, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3876.485, "end": 3883.005, "text": "There are so many ins and outs for personal reasons of members of council just tracking that. I feel sorry for you. I'm gonna be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3883.185, "end": 3889.245, "text": "uh more diligent now in making sure that I let you know when I leave and when I come back so that you don't have to figure it out on your own." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3889.465, "end": 3893.945, "text": "But great job, thank you. I see no errors or omissions in the minutes, so happy to move both sides." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3894.645, "end": 3896.965, "text": "That's seconded by uh Councilor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3897.445, "end": 3897.885, "text": "Yeah," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3898.065, "end": 3906.525, "text": "I think we're gonna be discussing uh facilities later, and uh I I'm not going to attribute to any one member staff, but I think it's proposed that it'll be like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3907.025, "end": 3907.305, "text": "in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3907.485, "end": 3909.065, "text": "in the Calgary parking uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3909.265, "end": 3915.145, "text": "uh or lot thirty seven thirty six, it'll be lights that are strung from the the ceiling and it'll either be glowing green." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3915.685, "end": 3917.385, "text": "If a member of council is here, it'll be red." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3917.805, "end": 3918.625, "text": "If they're if they're not." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3919.025, "end": 3921.445, "text": "Or maybe yellow, depending on the the duration of the meeting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3921.885, "end": 3923.705, "text": "Alright, uh anyone on the minutes?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3925.505, "end": 3927.345, "text": "Seeing none, let's uh engage the e vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3936.125, "end": 3938.225, "text": "And that's for June 23rd and June 30th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3940.785, "end": 3942.985, "text": "Council Dollywall, your vote, please. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3943.365, "end": 3945.805, "text": "With Councillor Kelly absent, Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3946.325, "end": 3947.565, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3950.325, "end": 3952.345, "text": "And that the motion is carried, 14 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3952.825, "end": 3955.785, "text": "Can I get a mover and seconder for the consent agenda omnibus?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3958.265, "end": 3960.545, "text": "Move by Councillor Chabot, seconded by Councillor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3961.685, "end": 3966.885, "text": "Alright, uh, that's on the table. Unless you want to give a big open about uh all the work that had been done." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3967.205, "end": 3967.485, "text": "Councilor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3967.485, "end": 3971.785, "text": "No, I I think the committee did a lot of really good work on all of the things that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3972.125, "end": 3975.385, "text": "in within the committees that I sat on. So kudos to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3975.605, "end": 3977.805, "text": "committee members for their due diligence on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3978.345, "end": 3982.765, "text": "on the uh reports when they came to through committee. So happy to support the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3983.005, "end": 3985.045, "text": "the unanimous consent uh on the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3985.445, "end": 3986.925, "text": "uh on the consent agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3987.245, "end": 3988.385, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3989.165, "end": 3990.685, "text": "And that's second by Councillor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3991.025, "end": 3993.205, "text": "On the consent agenda, Councilor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3993.865, "end": 4006.545, "text": "Yes, uh just looking to pull item seven point sixteen, uh just to introduce revised presentation and recommendations to correct some clerical errors. That's also it will be quick, I promise." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4006.765, "end": 4011.405, "text": "That's 716 Cooperative Stormwater Management Initiative. Counselor Schmidt, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 4012.005, "end": 4028.845, "text": "Uh similar seven item seven point two the FCSS funding recommendations, there was an error identified in attachment one. Administration is requesting it be pulled to correct that error. And I believe the corrected uh document is with the clerks when we get to the item that should be pretty quick as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4029.405, "end": 4031.885, "text": "Okay. That's 7.2 FCSS funding." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4032.305, "end": 4033.505, "text": "Counselor Dollywell, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4034.185, "end": 4037.605, "text": "Uh 7.10 please multi-sport field house update. Uh have a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4037.945, "end": 4039.705, "text": "uh amendment to the recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4040.865, "end": 4043.005, "text": "All right. 7.10. Uh Field House." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4043.765, "end": 4046.125, "text": "Anyone else on consent agenda? Counselor Johnson?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4049.565, "end": 4050.225, "text": "Counselor Johnston?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 4051.325, "end": 4053.365, "text": "Yeah, sir, I'm just looking for it. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 4057.905, "end": 4059.405, "text": "shoot, I lost it. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 4059.805, "end": 4060.625, "text": "oh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 4060.865, "end": 4063.125, "text": "7.19 just a vote in opposition." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4063.645, "end": 4067.085, "text": "7.19 lawn market housing land disposition." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4072.805, "end": 4074.225, "text": "All right, so far we've pulled." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4074.425, "end": 4081.585, "text": "Uh 7.2 FCSS 7.16 stormwater 710 field house 719 non-market land. Anybody else?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4083.565, "end": 4087.725, "text": "Okay. Seeing none, uh let's engage the evote on the omnibus for all the items that remain." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4102.585, "end": 4104.005, "text": "Councilor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4104.645, "end": 4105.185, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4105.465, "end": 4107.885, "text": "With Councillor Kelly absent, Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4108.285, "end": 4109.685, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4112.505, "end": 4114.345, "text": "On that, the motion has carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4131.325, "end": 4133.605, "text": "Remind me which is the first one up, Madam Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4133.825, "end": 4141.885, "text": "The first item up, Mayor Farkas, will be item 9.4.4. That's a report from administration, Calgary Aboriginal Urban Affairs Committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4142.325, "end": 4144.205, "text": "Sounds good. Take us away, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4144.325, "end": 4144.605, "text": "Great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4144.985, "end": 4191.285, "text": "Good morning, uh your worship and members of council. My name is Christina Matter and I'm a leader in community strategies. Uh, with me here is Lorelai Higgins, um, the leader of the Indigenous Relations Office in Community Strategies as well. Um, we have three reports in front of you today related to the committee bylaws. Um, I also wanted to just say before I pass it over to Lorelai, that at the direction of the Community Development Committee, administration was asked to provide the estimated annual remuneration and member support cost before the third reading of each of those bylaws. Um, that information has been provided to City Clerk's office for all three of the committee bylaw reports today, so it can be distributed at the direction of the chair. And I'll hand it over to Lorelei if you would like a brief overview of the information presented at council, otherwise available for questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4193.525, "end": 4213.125, "text": "And I'm on here on behalf of administration regarding the Calgary Aboriginal Urban Affairs Committee bylaw report. Should counsel wish, I am happy to provide a brief overview of the information presented at committee. Otherwise, I'll be here available to answer any questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4214.565, "end": 4216.665, "text": "Okay. Colleagues, any questions on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4220.585, "end": 4224.785, "text": "Okay. Seeing none, uh, can I get a mover and seconder for the item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4226.865, "end": 4228.645, "text": "Okay, that's been moved by Councillor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4230.625, "end": 4232.065, "text": "And uh may I please have a second here?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4233.025, "end": 4234.765, "text": "All right, seconded by uh Councilor Yule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4236.305, "end": 4237.825, "text": "Any debate on this, colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4242.205, "end": 4244.645, "text": "All right, seeing none, uh over to you to close, Councilor Schable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4245.345, "end": 4247.125, "text": "You great great presentation. Close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4250.445, "end": 4252.685, "text": "All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4269.585, "end": 4271.305, "text": "Councilor Clark is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4272.325, "end": 4273.965, "text": "Councilor Kelly is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4276.365, "end": 4277.445, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4278.205, "end": 4279.605, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4283.185, "end": 4286.345, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 12 to 1 with Councillor Johnston opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4287.125, "end": 4291.945, "text": "First reading of bylaw 26M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4292.505, "end": 4293.865, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4294.225, "end": 4298.405, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 26M 2026, anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4301.545, "end": 4306.025, "text": "It's uh Calgary Aboriginal Urban Affairs Committee, proposed bylaw 26M 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4306.185, "end": 4307.045, "text": "We'll just double check that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4313.585, "end": 4318.025, "text": "The agenda materials show 26 M 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4319.525, "end": 4320.465, "text": "Alright, we'll continue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4320.665, "end": 4324.405, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 26M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4325.105, "end": 4326.485, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4326.945, "end": 4333.545, "text": "And uh in fairness, I have attempted several times to read the wrong bylaw, so I appreciate all of you keeping me honest." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4333.985, "end": 4346.345, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 26 M 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that's carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 26 M 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4346.805, "end": 4348.165, "text": "All right, we'll move to our next item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4352.125, "end": 4360.945, "text": "Hello again. This is the report on the Advisory Committee on Accessibility by Law. I'm able to provide a presentation or answer any questions you may have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4363.065, "end": 4364.725, "text": "Any need for the presentation, colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4366.965, "end": 4367.165, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4367.585, "end": 4368.425, "text": "Seeing none," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4371.645, "end": 4373.865, "text": "uh can I seek a mover and seconder for that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4376.305, "end": 4379.025, "text": "Moved by Councillor Yule, seconded by uh Councilor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4379.405, "end": 4381.925, "text": "If we can just get the recommendations uh up on the screen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4392.985, "end": 4396.565, "text": "Okay, this is the uh uh uh advisory committee on accessibility" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4396.965, "end": 4397.245, "text": "item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4399.145, "end": 4400.585, "text": "Any uh debate on this, colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4406.325, "end": 4407.905, "text": "Uh sorry, Councillor Brandzopoulos, go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 4408.925, "end": 4410.505, "text": "Just looking to move uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 4410.885, "end": 4449.285, "text": "Slight amendment to the recommendations, and this is just driven by an ask specifically adding names and term and end dates of the current subcommittee through a confidential distribution. This is very important, something that has to be in order for council to recognize the members. It was an oversight. It does not change any of the recommendations. It's simply something from a procedural perspective that's required. So the updated recommendation supported by the committee, supported by administration, and very critical to make sure that the folks that are selected can actually be added to the committee. So hopefully support it, and then we can get them in and get them back to their business. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4450.985, "end": 4455.365, "text": "Alright, that amendment's on the floor. Is there a second or please? Second by Counselor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4455.525, "end": 4458.045, "text": "Any further debate on the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4458.985, "end": 4459.385, "text": "amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4462.025, "end": 4465.385, "text": "Okay, seeing none, let's engage the evote, please, on that amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4483.705, "end": 4486.345, "text": "Councilor Kelly is absent. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4486.505, "end": 4486.805, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4488.165, "end": 4489.005, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4489.625, "end": 4491.005, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4496.605, "end": 4498.885, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 14 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4499.525, "end": 4502.465, "text": "On the uh motion as amended, Councillor Johnston, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 4503.725, "end": 4511.165, "text": "Just a question for admin on the removal of code of conduct for um this. Um just what are the implications for that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4511.965, "end": 4560.445, "text": "The implementations for the code of conduct. Well, I think as we spoke about at committee, we have some relationship management documents that we work through with our committee members that allows for that. The code of conduct was removed as part of an update to the MGA. And so we are waiting for the province to provide a code of conduct that will apply to these committees. But in the interim, we do have ways of working across our committee teams to make sure that relationships are managed well. And when there are issues, if they break the respectful workplace policy, for instance, because they are considered volunteers, we do have some avenues for which to come to council and have those conversations because all membership is approved by council. So if there are issues, we can come back to this forum to discuss those." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4560.825, "end": 4561.865, "text": "Thank you for clarifying." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4563.945, "end": 4565.185, "text": "Thank you. Anybody else on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4567.445, "end": 4568.685, "text": "All right, Councilor Yule to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4569.625, "end": 4587.625, "text": "Yes, um and just a reminder to council colleagues, the province is is open for feedback until August uh the seventh on the municipal um affairs counselor accountability framework. So please if you do have um feedback, um give it directly to the province." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4589.565, "end": 4590.105, "text": "And closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4590.485, "end": 4592.045, "text": "Let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4608.545, "end": 4610.045, "text": "Councilor Jameson, your vote please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4611.665, "end": 4612.005, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4612.705, "end": 4613.005, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4613.665, "end": 4616.065, "text": "Councilor Kelly is absent, Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4616.765, "end": 4618.205, "text": "Thank you, please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4623.605, "end": 4629.165, "text": "Alright, that motion is carried 14 to 0. I'll move to the readings of bylaw 24M" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4629.325, "end": 4630.205, "text": "2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4631.285, "end": 4635.265, "text": "First reading of bylaw 24M 2026, anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4635.885, "end": 4640.605, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 24 M 2026, anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4640.945, "end": 4642.185, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4642.625, "end": 4647.005, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 24M 2026, anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4647.485, "end": 4649.065, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4649.485, "end": 4653.385, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 24M 2026, anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4653.665, "end": 4655.085, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4655.685, "end": 4658.205, "text": "Alright, I think it's uh 943 next." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4659.925, "end": 4667.765, "text": "So this is the report on the Social Wellbeing Advisory Committee bylaw update. Of course, can offer a presentation, or I'm here for any questions that you may have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4669.945, "end": 4675.165, "text": "Seems relatively uh straightforward. Uh Counselor Panasopoulos to briefly speak to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4676.865, "end": 4678.225, "text": "after the first reading. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4678.405, "end": 4679.725, "text": "Uh Councillor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4680.165, "end": 4681.265, "text": "Or sir, you want to move it? Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4681.645, "end": 4684.945, "text": "Move by Councilor Atkinson, seconded by uh Councilor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4685.925, "end": 4691.185, "text": "Uh we're aware of a small uh textual amendment that'll be required uh following the uh first reading." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4691.785, "end": 4693.745, "text": "So any uh debate or discussion on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4695.805, "end": 4699.285, "text": "Okay, seeing none, uh over to you close, Councillor Atkinson, if you want to speak to it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 4700.565, "end": 4701.045, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4701.725, "end": 4703.725, "text": "All right, let's engage the uh evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4722.805, "end": 4725.685, "text": "With Councillor Kelly being absent, Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4726.125, "end": 4727.545, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4730.905, "end": 4732.865, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 13 to 1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4734.085, "end": 4740.365, "text": "All right. Uh first reading of bylaw 25M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4741.125, "end": 4742.865, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4745.285, "end": 4747.125, "text": "All right, I'm gonna go to Councilor Penazopoulos now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 4747.125, "end": 4765.845, "text": "Thank you so much. And as the mayor mentioned, just a typo error amendment of the bylaw, it spoke to a date of May 28th for a council meeting. The meeting was actually May 26th. So it's a subtle amendment, important, but uh just changing the simple date from May 28th to May 26th, the actual day of our regular meeting of council. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4767.165, "end": 4769.445, "text": "Okay, that's uh been moved. Is there a second or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4770.045, "end": 4771.465, "text": "second by Councillor Atkinson?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4772.165, "end": 4773.985, "text": "Any debate on that uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4775.065, "end": 4775.705, "text": "textual amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4776.385, "end": 4777.145, "text": "Seeing none." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4777.725, "end": 4779.645, "text": "Uh let's engage the e-vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4794.945, "end": 4798.025, "text": "With Councillor Kelly still being absent, Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4798.785, "end": 4800.425, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4805.485, "end": 4809.265, "text": "Alright, uh Madam Clerk, this was not a bylaw that required a public hearing, so I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4809.485, "end": 4812.785, "text": "Councillor Kelly's good to vote for the second and third readings," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4813.045, "end": 4813.365, "text": "That's right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4813.405, "end": 4817.045, "text": "despite not being re uh present for the public hearing because there was no public hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4817.045, "end": 4817.885, "text": "There was no public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4818.205, "end": 4822.865, "text": "All right, uh second reading of bylaw 25M 2026 as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4823.025, "end": 4823.785, "text": "Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4824.465, "end": 4829.725, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 25 M 2026 as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4830.045, "end": 4830.825, "text": "Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4831.265, "end": 4832.805, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4833.265, "end": 4837.465, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 25M 2026 as amended. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4837.725, "end": 4838.945, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4839.985, "end": 4845.665, "text": "All right, I believe now we're up on the uh time specific budget item. I just want to say welcome back. Thank you, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4846.085, "end": 4853.805, "text": "Deputy Mayor Kelly, for representing the city on city business. And as long as it's been a good day or it's been a good month for you as Deputy Mayor as far as the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4854.245, "end": 4855.485, "text": "dollars coming in. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 4856.925, "end": 4866.905, "text": "Yeah, uh fifty-two million dollars yesterday from the province and the federal government together. And uh this morning was all about a mini soccer pitch, location TBA." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4867.625, "end": 4868.045, "text": "it sounds good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4869.525, "end": 4871.425, "text": "All right, uh over to you, uh Mr. Tucker." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4883.565, "end": 4885.085, "text": "Do we have the slides?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4891.385, "end": 4891.765, "text": "They" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4891.925, "end": 4892.725, "text": "Oh you're right, they weren't." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4898.665, "end": 4903.185, "text": "CFO Tucker, are the slides a public presentation or a confidential presentation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4903.425, "end": 4905.045, "text": "Um my understanding the first" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4905.365, "end": 4905.945, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4906.845, "end": 4911.705, "text": "they're all in confidential, but I believe we were supposed to show just the first slide uh for the section." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4916.385, "end": 4917.885, "text": "Or not. I can just speak to it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4918.585, "end": 4920.185, "text": "It's safer just to speak to it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4920.225, "end": 4921.225, "text": "Yeah, let's do that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4922.865, "end": 4924.005, "text": "Good morning, everyone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4924.445, "end": 4945.925, "text": "This report provides an update on the work completed since May and offers the next stage of the 2027 to 2030 budget process. Through today's discussion, administration is seeking council's guidance to further support refinement and prioritization of spending requests before the number uh November budget package is prepared." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4946.885, "end": 4950.325, "text": "Today's discussion is not a final budget decision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4951.025, "end": 4968.605, "text": "As the administration is seeking council's guidance on budget planning parameters and prioritization considerations that are appropriate for the closed meeting discussion, we recommend that council now move into closed session to consider the confidential matters and provide guidance to administration on next steps." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4973.165, "end": 4973.325, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4979.845, "end": 4982.405, "text": "All right. Uh would anyone like to make that motion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4984.265, "end": 4987.685, "text": "Moved by Councillor Panasopoulos, uh seconded by Deputy Mayor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4988.405, "end": 4990.705, "text": "Any uh further discussion or debate on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4994.605, "end": 4997.085, "text": "Okay, seeing none, uh let's engage the vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 5020.165, "end": 5021.785, "text": "Councilor Dollywall, your vote please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 5024.585, "end": 5025.285, "text": "Absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 5025.645, "end": 5026.125, "text": "Councilor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 5026.265, "end": 5028.225, "text": "Tyres is also absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 5029.385, "end": 5031.045, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5031.485, "end": 5032.985, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5036.685, "end": 5039.385, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 12 to 1 with Councillor Johnston opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5039.865, "end": 5040.825, "text": "All right, we will head to the boardroom." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35146.525, "end": 35152.105, "text": "All right, welcome back to Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the rule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35152.505, "end": 35155.005, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35156.805, "end": 35157.765, "text": "Councillor McLean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35159.305, "end": 35160.605, "text": "Counselor Pentasopoulos," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35161.065, "end": 35161.945, "text": "Councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35162.365, "end": 35163.625, "text": "Councillor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35164.145, "end": 35165.105, "text": "Councillor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35165.985, "end": 35166.625, "text": "Councillor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35168.265, "end": 35169.285, "text": "Councillor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35169.605, "end": 35170.485, "text": "Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 35170.625, "end": 35170.885, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35171.065, "end": 35172.185, "text": "Counselor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35172.525, "end": 35173.425, "text": "Councillor Chabot," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35174.465, "end": 35175.245, "text": "Counselor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 35175.305, "end": 35175.645, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35175.705, "end": 35176.725, "text": "Councillor Dollywall," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35178.985, "end": 35180.085, "text": "Counselor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35180.665, "end": 35181.745, "text": "Counselor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35182.665, "end": 35184.245, "text": "Councillor McLean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35184.465, "end": 35184.745, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35185.725, "end": 35186.825, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35186.885, "end": 35187.165, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35187.305, "end": 35187.865, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35190.645, "end": 35191.625, "text": "Counselor Kelly's noted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35191.625, "end": 35192.865, "text": "We" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35194.025, "end": 35195.425, "text": "Need to rise without reporting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35195.925, "end": 35197.465, "text": "That's correct, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35197.865, "end": 35201.645, "text": "Alright, uh motion to rise without reporting. Uh moved by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35204.365, "end": 35208.405, "text": "Councillor Venazopoulos, second by uh Councilor Atkinson. All in favor on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35209.405, "end": 35210.125, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35210.985, "end": 35213.565, "text": "Seeing none, that uh motion is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35214.325, "end": 35219.305, "text": "Uh can I get in by general consent, can I uh postpone" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35219.805, "end": 35221.865, "text": "the budget item to the call of the chair?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35222.625, "end": 35224.885, "text": "We'll require a mover and a second or yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35224.885, "end": 35227.925, "text": "Uh move by Deputy Mayor Kelly, second by Councillor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35228.425, "end": 35232.665, "text": "to allow the uh approach to budget cycle item to be postponed to the call of the chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35233.125, "end": 35236.885, "text": "Uh I'll call it back uh immediately after this uh notice motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35238.005, "end": 35238.825, "text": "All in favor on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35240.185, "end": 35240.945, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35241.465, "end": 35244.225, "text": "Seeing none, that motion is carried. It's been postponed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35244.885, "end": 35248.925, "text": "And I will go now to the notice motion. So, Councilor Clark, you're you're on deck." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 35249.805, "end": 35265.425, "text": "Yes, sir. Thank you, worship. Um, I'd like to uh just also thank my council colleagues for the opportunity to bring this forward just after dinner. Um I think we've got uh legal counsel Emily Laidlaw on the line or nearby standing by to support in conversation about this. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 35266.505, "end": 35268.625, "text": "so this is my open right, I get to open." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 35268.625, "end": 35268.805, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 35269.085, "end": 35304.845, "text": "Well, thank you. I'm pleased to rise, of course, in support of this notice of motion alongside Mayor Farkas, Councillor Schmidt, and Councillor Atkinson. I think at its core, this motion is about transparency. Every day, council members and administration hear from residents, business developers, industry organizations, nonprofits, labor groups, and advocacy organizations. And that engagement is not only appropriate, but that it is an essential part of good local government. We make better decisions when we hear from the diverse perspectives across our communities. But there is an important distinction between engagement and transparency." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 35305.345, "end": 35316.485, "text": "Calgaryans deserve confidence that when individuals or organizations are seeking to influence municipal decisions, big or small, there is an appropriate level of public visibility on those activities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 35316.625, "end": 35320.925, "text": "Today, Calgary has no formal mechanism for providing that kind of transparency." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 35321.345, "end": 35326.445, "text": "And for the era in which we live, I ask, is that still an appropriate approach?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 35326.985, "end": 35345.165, "text": "Many other Canadian municipalities have already recognized this gap and have implemented lobbyist registries to strengthen public confidence in local government. These registries do not prevent lobbying, nor should they. Lobbying, of course, is a legitimate part of the democratic process. Instead, they ensure that lobbying is conducted openly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 35345.585, "end": 35350.285, "text": "And to be clear, this notice of motion does not establish a lobbyist registry today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 35351.265, "end": 35375.985, "text": "What I am asking is administration and council's ethics advisor to undertake the work necessary for council to make an informed decision. That includes reviewing best practices across Canada, examining the city's legal authority, evaluating whether a registry should be mandatory or voluntary, determining the appropriate scope, considering opportunities to align with the province, and providing implementation costs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 35376.865, "end": 35381.925, "text": "In other words, before deciding whether Calgary should adopt a registry, we are asking for the facts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 35382.385, "end": 35397.245, "text": "Public trust is one of the most valuable assets that any government has. Transparency helps build that trust by demonstrating that decisions are made in the open and that the public has confidence in the integrity of the process. We've also seen what happens when we lose public trust." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 35398.605, "end": 35427.625, "text": "This motion is about giving council the information it needs to determine whether a lobbyist registry would strengthen accountability in Calgary, and if so, what model would best fit our city? I believe that this is a thoughtful, measured approach. It does not presume the outcome. It simply recognizes that as Calgary continues to grow, our governance practices should continue to evolve alongside it. I encourage my colleagues to support this motion so administration can complete the review and return to council with options for our consideration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 35428.205, "end": 35429.045, "text": "I am now open." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35430.505, "end": 35432.185, "text": "Thank you. Is there a seconder for the motion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35434.365, "end": 35435.885, "text": "Second by uh Councillor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35436.905, "end": 35439.505, "text": "I just wanted to make sure that the revised version" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35439.845, "end": 35442.205, "text": "was uh placed and then add a bullet D," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35442.585, "end": 35446.625, "text": "including the potential for collaboration with the provincial government through the expansion of its." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35447.045, "end": 35447.965, "text": "Existing registry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35453.365, "end": 35454.825, "text": "That's up on the screen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35459.645, "end": 35463.805, "text": "I believe it's D, Mayor Farkas, potential for collaboration with provincial government." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 35464.065, "end": 35464.805, "text": "Is that the right version?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35465.225, "end": 35465.345, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35465.885, "end": 35466.385, "text": "We're all set." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35468.305, "end": 35469.405, "text": "Uh Councilor McLean on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35471.045, "end": 35473.405, "text": "Yes, sir. We had questions of admin, are we in debating?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35473.945, "end": 35476.425, "text": "Given it's a notice of motion, it's combined. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35476.805, "end": 35477.985, "text": "your time applies for both." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35478.325, "end": 35480.925, "text": "Yeah, I'll just start. Maybe when the uh movers uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35481.625, "end": 35485.505, "text": "close, they can let us know. Is this going to include" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35486.685, "end": 35489.005, "text": "I'll start again. Contrary to public opinion," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35489.505, "end": 35491.545, "text": "a lot of people think that we're being lobbied by," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35491.985, "end": 35497.125, "text": "say, developers on land use who are going to build things that need our support. But actually, it's the opposite." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35497.725, "end": 35500.585, "text": "The people we get lobbied the most for, for taxpayers' dollars," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35501.065, "end": 35505.305, "text": "is our civic partners. You'll see that's $150 million in our budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35505.705, "end": 35510.105, "text": "Special interest groups, they come to us constantly asking for money or support." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35510.585, "end": 35511.605, "text": "Unions," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35511.965, "end": 35512.365, "text": "you know," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35512.805, "end": 35516.085, "text": "it uh all sorts and all types. So I just want to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 35516.665, "end": 35523.765, "text": "Um find out. Are we talking with everybody? Anybody that comes to us asking for money, especially taxpayers' dollars, are they going to be included?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35526.485, "end": 35528.005, "text": "Okay. Uh Councillor Panazopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 35528.905, "end": 35531.485, "text": "And just a question for the mover. Um, we are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 35532.585, "end": 35551.405, "text": "earlier today, Councilor Yule spoke. The province is asking for our um revised code of conduct for counselors, and that'll be coming down the pipe in a few months. So just to understand that interaction, uh, if it's contradictory, does it automatically dissolve or how does that work? Even do we have the rules? The the province was very clear we cannot have an any." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 35551.765, "end": 35566.965, "text": "Um code of conduct, is this a a portion of a code of conduct by another name? So just to understand that, again, not talking to the merits of it, but just to understand given the realities, it could be months' way, it could be years way, that we have some guidance from the province and just understand that uh interaction if you could. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35567.605, "end": 35569.125, "text": "Okay. Counselor Ward, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 35570.845, "end": 35584.005, "text": "Yeah, just on Councillor McClain's point, he said, you know, people lobbying for taxpayer dollars, but uh lobbying doesn't have to include taxpayer dollars, it just it's trying to influence government decisions. It doesn't always have to involve tax dollars. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 35584.365, "end": 35589.505, "text": "I think that, you know, if we're not including the nonprofits and other special interest groups in this," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 35590.345, "end": 35594.505, "text": "I think this is kind of an act of performance, to be quite honest. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 35595.065, "end": 35601.745, "text": "the people that I've been lobbied by the most are nonprofits and civic partners. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 35602.745, "end": 35608.445, "text": "if they're not included, I don't really see the point in this. So um that is my opinion. Take it for what you will." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35610.185, "end": 35617.345, "text": "Thanks. Uh I was involved in uh thank you for uh Councilor Clark for bringing this forward. Counselor Schmidt, I was involved in helping to put this together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35617.765, "end": 35620.105, "text": "I'll answer some of the questions as I heard them so far." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35620.745, "end": 35624.125, "text": "Um first on would it uh for counselor ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35624.405, "end": 35631.885, "text": "nobody said it wouldn't apply to civic partners. It's just a scan of what other jurisdictions do, so we're not even at that point uh to determine who it apply to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35632.165, "end": 35634.245, "text": "If we look at say Toronto, Vancouver," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35634.445, "end": 35641.885, "text": "some other jurisdictions, they've all taken approaches, but we've fully empowered uh Emily Laidlaw to independently undertake this work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35642.485, "end": 35651.625, "text": "Uh number two, in terms of uh Counselor Panasopoulos is ask about whether this is a code of conduct. No, a code of conduct uh applies to the behavior of elected officials." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35651.885, "end": 35655.605, "text": "A lobbyist registry is the behavior of lobbyists. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35655.825, "end": 35660.945, "text": "if you look at, say, the provincial or federal government, certain entities that are paid to undertake influencing a decision," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35661.345, "end": 35664.045, "text": "go through a relatively straightforward process where they" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35664.225, "end": 35668.265, "text": "sign up on a website database, they say who they are, who's paying them," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35668.565, "end": 35674.405, "text": "what uh they're interested in, and then that's basically the meat and substance of it. I'm not suggesting that that's what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35674.765, "end": 35678.665, "text": "our uh ethics advisor would come up with, or even if she does recommend to do it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35678.965, "end": 35682.405, "text": "This is simply uh asking her to undertake investigating it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35682.925, "end": 35686.125, "text": "Uh number three was uh on the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35686.325, "end": 35687.605, "text": "uh provincial government." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35687.885, "end": 35696.305, "text": "Uh the province has expressed uh an openness to working with on with us on this. One potential option could be expanding the provincial lobbyist registry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35696.605, "end": 35699.365, "text": "Right now, if you're wanting to lobby the provincial government on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35699.765, "end": 35701.905, "text": "uh certain decision, you you register" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35702.245, "end": 35705.985, "text": "and uh you basically put up on a uh on a database." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35706.345, "end": 35711.165, "text": "Uh it could be the case that the province amends the lobbyist uh act." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35711.385, "end": 35716.565, "text": "To say that if you're a lobbyist in the province of Alberta and you're looking to lobby municipalities here, then you also" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35716.885, "end": 35718.745, "text": "uh register, and that would be a good way for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35719.105, "end": 35721.505, "text": "us to not be involved in setting up our own system. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35721.825, "end": 35724.445, "text": "again, that's exploring it and our indication just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35724.965, "end": 35726.125, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35726.405, "end": 35731.345, "text": "I I don't think I'm speaking out of school here, but I think the province would welcome us making that request of them" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35731.665, "end": 35735.945, "text": "in order to do so. I think uh Minister Williams has done a great job in terms of not wanting to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35736.265, "end": 35740.265, "text": "Overly intrude on the the internal governance of our council. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35740.445, "end": 35746.325, "text": "I think it would be easier for them to implement a prevent province-wide system if at least uh Bullet D" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35746.705, "end": 35751.405, "text": "uh were to survive, and that could be potentially advocacy for us to request that to happen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35751.845, "end": 35755.605, "text": "Uh to just briefly uh debate uh on the merits." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35755.905, "end": 35761.645, "text": "I like uh Council Clark how you opened with this, recognizing that uh this is not about anything nefarious, this is about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35761.945, "end": 35764.365, "text": "legitimizing the fact that lobbying does occur." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35764.705, "end": 35767.885, "text": "Uh this is a natural course of government. Every city," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35768.105, "end": 35784.725, "text": "every provincial government, every federal government is lobbied to a certain extent. But the question becomes the transparency around this. This is the option or this is the possibility for council to improve uh our transparency in terms of how we govern ourselves. It's not a replacement uh for the code of conduct," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35785.045, "end": 35789.065, "text": "but it is also a recognize recognition that uh Calgary as" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35789.305, "end": 35805.725, "text": "An organization and in terms of our governance, we're honestly we're we're growing up as a city. As a city, we now manage the budget that exceeds uh those of many provincial governments who have more uh stringent uh accountability measures and major decisions uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35806.225, "end": 35812.225, "text": "uh deserve that level of transparency and confidence from members of the public. So uh hoping that uh you'll consider this, council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35812.585, "end": 35820.145, "text": "There may be some uh reasons that through the exploration of it that may arise that could demonstrate that this is not the way to go." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35820.465, "end": 35825.605, "text": "But again, this motion is simply an exploration of what the best practices are. It does not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35825.865, "end": 35828.765, "text": "Uh lock counsel into certain behavior or to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35829.045, "end": 35833.285, "text": "uh continue with this premise if the research proves that uh it's redundant" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35833.545, "end": 35837.805, "text": "or otherwise not effective towards those transparency and accountability aims. So again," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35838.065, "end": 35841.365, "text": "this is just seeking information about what other jurisdictions do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35841.805, "end": 35848.185, "text": "And for me as a governor, I'm always happy to have more information about whether uh what other major municipalities are doing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35848.725, "end": 35851.385, "text": "So I'll continue through the queue. Uh Councilor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 35854.385, "end": 35856.705, "text": "Yeah I'm I'm not really keen on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 35857.065, "end": 35857.785, "text": "the idea of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 35857.985, "end": 35859.665, "text": "of forcing people to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 35860.005, "end": 35862.125, "text": "sign a registry to m meet with me. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 35862.565, "end": 35867.265, "text": "my door's always open. I'll meet with whoever wants to meet with me as long as I've got the time to meet with them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 35867.725, "end": 35874.505, "text": "Uh through the code of conduct we used to record uh every meeting that we had um whether it was in house or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 35874.665, "end": 35876.165, "text": "Out of house, I would record" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 35876.645, "end": 35896.125, "text": "uh who I met and what I was meeting them about. And I have no problems doing that. And and I'm not going to turn somebody away because they're not on the registry. And so for me, that's this is where I'm challenged a little bit with this is do you have to be registered to be able to lobby me? Because who I get lobbied by is mostly folks within the community" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 35896.745, "end": 35898.225, "text": "trying to, you know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 35899.005, "end": 35926.745, "text": "Give me their side of of a development permit, uh an application for development, uh, uh, and and also community associations looking for support and in achieving certain objectives within their community. I I I meet with people just generally when I'm out. I'm I'm on 24 7. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I never refuse to speak to somebody about municipal issues. Uh and that includes family matters. So so for me it's like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 35928.065, "end": 35933.545, "text": "listen, if you want to make me record who it is that I meet with as far as scheduled meetings," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 35934.365, "end": 35935.125, "text": "happy to do it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 35935.785, "end": 35940.605, "text": "To force people to sign into a registry to meet with me, that's where to me it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 35941.225, "end": 35947.585, "text": "I I don't understand how this is gonna work and I can't see the value in in applying it. So for me, I uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 35948.445, "end": 35949.505, "text": "I can't support this today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 35950.385, "end": 35951.645, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Weiness, on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 35952.845, "end": 35956.985, "text": "Thanks. This feels like a notice of motion that didn't ask what problem am I trying to solve." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 35959.025, "end": 35960.165, "text": "In your open," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 35960.485, "end": 35961.225, "text": "you said" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 35961.685, "end": 35962.985, "text": "uh no mechanism." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 35963.185, "end": 35964.445, "text": "We disclose who we meet with." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 35965.005, "end": 35967.645, "text": "If you look at some of the issues we had with Cowboys," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 35968.065, "end": 35973.065, "text": "uh and there was a lobbyist involved with the uh UCP and the Conservative Party." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 35973.505, "end": 35977.165, "text": "If we met with them directly, and anyone who did would disclose it publicly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 35977.725, "end": 35979.045, "text": "When we're saying" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 35979.285, "end": 35982.545, "text": "who is lobbying us, every part of our job is to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 35983.065, "end": 35983.405, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 35983.925, "end": 35988.545, "text": "have conversation and make decisions for people and find compromise." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 35989.025, "end": 35991.805, "text": "And so that is why we disclose who we meet with." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 35992.345, "end": 35996.125, "text": "Uh and I think Calgarians are smart enough to to push back on us" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 35996.525, "end": 36000.545, "text": "uh and call us out if they think there is someone lobbying us too hard. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36000.685, "end": 36002.365, "text": "earlier when this was first floated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36002.745, "end": 36006.745, "text": "Uh to the press, which feels a little bit more of the populist challenges council's under." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36007.325, "end": 36014.245, "text": "It was a foregone conclusion, and we presented to the public that this vote today is about creating a pop uh a lobbyist registry," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36014.505, "end": 36016.645, "text": "not the exploration of if it's good or not." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36016.945, "end": 36019.285, "text": "And that's a challenge I have with this one too, because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36019.525, "end": 36024.425, "text": "how we first came out, what we talked about versus what is before council today are two very different things." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36024.625, "end": 36027.645, "text": "And we have already misled Calgarians on what we are voting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36028.585, "end": 36029.025, "text": "for today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36029.245, "end": 36031.945, "text": "And so that is an extremely frustrating thing to deal with as a council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36032.565, "end": 36037.665, "text": "Um, I think we weren't honest with Calgarians even on the the notice motion we're debating right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36038.205, "end": 36038.625, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36038.985, "end": 36039.705, "text": "so I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36041.845, "end": 36043.225, "text": "I believe in transparency," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36043.485, "end": 36045.765, "text": "I believe in engaging with Calgarians." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36046.125, "end": 36046.485, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36047.005, "end": 36048.865, "text": "Calgarians are already pushing back on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36049.525, "end": 36049.865, "text": "who" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36050.025, "end": 36055.005, "text": "amongst us donated to each other during our campaigns, and we get hit with that one publicly because there" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36055.405, "end": 36056.585, "text": "is a disclosure" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36056.865, "end": 36062.465, "text": "after an election that is publicly posted on the internet. AI is even helping with this again for Calgarians to see." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36062.745, "end": 36064.085, "text": "how people are connected and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36064.345, "end": 36066.425, "text": "and how we we work together or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36066.685, "end": 36067.645, "text": "not work together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36067.905, "end": 36068.505, "text": "And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36069.305, "end": 36069.825, "text": "it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36070.565, "end": 36072.565, "text": "it's very challenging to have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36073.165, "end": 36077.685, "text": "the debate that has been had publicly and the debate that is happening in here being so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36078.125, "end": 36078.945, "text": "far apart." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36079.185, "end": 36082.745, "text": "It's it's psychotic the di the difference and the gap between those two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36083.225, "end": 36085.245, "text": "So I will sit here and listen but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36085.885, "end": 36089.325, "text": "I'm leaning not to support this because we already have not been" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36089.945, "end": 36091.385, "text": "asking what are we solving" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36092.365, "end": 36095.585, "text": "How we've been truthful in the debate with Calgarians and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36096.125, "end": 36100.785, "text": "it's it it's really hard to to sit here uh and discuss this one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36102.025, "end": 36103.185, "text": "Uh Councilor Schmidt, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 36104.365, "end": 36104.925, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 36105.925, "end": 36115.645, "text": "I I'm also on it 24-7 to the point where friends and family want me to just shut up about municipal politics. But in any event, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 36116.985, "end": 36122.905, "text": "the and and they're lobbying me to be quiet, um, to be clear. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 36123.585, "end": 36138.265, "text": "so I think uh that some of the concerns raised are definitely legitimate and and relevant. I would say if there's a point here that's missing, a point here that needs some change, I mean now's the time. This is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 36138.685, "end": 36151.125, "text": "quite open ended as far as what it's suggesting we do. Um and the systems we have in place, you know, they're somewhat ad hoc at this point in my view, and that having" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 36151.545, "end": 36216.005, "text": "A formal type of registry like this, and you know it says mandatory, voluntary, under the Municipal Government Act and provincial legislation. I mean there is a process that's being set up for this, and we will have the opportunity to contribute our views of what this should look like and what it shouldn't look like as part of what's being proposed here. And, you know, are some aspects of it performative? Perhaps, but there's a lot of aspects of our job that are performative that we still do. Um, especially saying, you know, the the use of taxpayer dollars, taxpayer dollars, well, all the dollars are taxpayers, we're taxpayers. So this is all, you know, setting ourselves up to show the public that we're not afraid to have this out in the open. And sometimes that performance itself has value because the opposite of that is something where people will only continue to ask questions. And then if something does go wrong down the road, then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 36216.665, "end": 36227.485, "text": "and is not on the registry, then that adds additional accountability because there was a system put in place for that transparency and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 36228.225, "end": 36230.525, "text": "certainly this will operate on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 36231.165, "end": 36289.765, "text": "A facet of the honor system for whether or not we're willing to put things in the registry. But if we are not doing that on our own, then you are doubly accountable for your actions down the road because you had the opportunity to be transparent and you weren't. And right now it doesn't quite function to that extent. So there's a lot of room for this to fit the mold that we would like to see. And I don't think there's any harm in us exploring how we want that to look. And if we don't like it in the end, then we can vote it down at that point. So I I don't see the risk of going down this route right now, especially if we have the endorsement of um our provincial bosses telling us that they're okay with this. Um so I I don't see any issue uh with us doing this at this point. And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 36290.005, "end": 36295.485, "text": "The best thing we can do is allow sunlight to come in. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 36295.885, "end": 36297.605, "text": "I will be supporting it for that reason." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36299.365, "end": 36300.805, "text": "Alright, Councilor Johnston, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36301.485, "end": 36302.545, "text": "Yeah, the first" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36302.785, "end": 36306.025, "text": "Thing I would ask is would this prevent somebody from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36306.665, "end": 36308.125, "text": "secretly lobbying you?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36308.985, "end": 36311.705, "text": "That's the first question you have to ask yourself." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36312.425, "end": 36314.645, "text": "Second question would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36315.825, "end": 36317.025, "text": "lobbying." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36318.965, "end": 36325.185, "text": "There's already an anti lobbying rule for civic partners specific to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36326.005, "end": 36333.005, "text": "funding requests from the date of submitting an application to the operating grant program until the funding recommendations have been approved by council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36333.705, "end": 36334.165, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36334.685, "end": 36338.185, "text": "has that stopped civic partners from lobbying us? No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36338.885, "end": 36344.005, "text": "Right. So I do appreciate the performative of this notice of motion," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36345.425, "end": 36349.105, "text": "but is it going to be overridden" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36349.465, "end": 36354.105, "text": "by the provincial code of conduct that may or may not be coming soon?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36355.545, "end": 36358.445, "text": "I don't know. I don't I don't know if this is at the right time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36359.985, "end": 36362.665, "text": "To me this would be better brought forward" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36362.905, "end": 36367.605, "text": "after the province has brought their code of conduct and maybe theirs is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36369.465, "end": 36379.025, "text": "More is stronger than this. Maybe it's weaker, and maybe they give us a provision that we can always strengthen it. So I just wonder if uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36379.245, "end": 36391.445, "text": "the province is gonna care to look at this or they've already had something in their mind that they're gonna bring forward. Um and so I just worry that we're maybe doing this for no reason. So um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36391.945, "end": 36396.345, "text": "I I like the idea of better transparency, but I just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36397.345, "end": 36398.365, "text": "don't know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36399.385, "end": 36406.805, "text": "I just don't know what this is going to do if the province brings something and if this will ever prevent secret lobbying." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36407.885, "end": 36410.945, "text": "Um so I will leave it there. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36412.025, "end": 36413.185, "text": "Counselor Tyres, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 36414.425, "end": 36438.865, "text": "Yeah, it is a good idea in theory. Um, we talk a lot about transparency and accountability and how we want to be a council that's being open. Well, hey, if you look on the website and see who's actually providing disclosures of meetings between members of council and members of the public, aka lobbyists, you'll see that there's only two counselors here that put their um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 36440.605, "end": 36493.565, "text": "Voluntarily, they put uh the records of their meetings. So this council can talk all they want about you know being transparent and being accountable. There's only two counselors here that are currently doing that. So what makes us think that putting together a registry is going to make us more accountable? Currently, there isn't there isn't a law or a rule that is telling us that we have to do it, and so we're not doing it. So I think there's a bit of hypocrisy here. I don't think that it's a problem to look into this a little bit further and see what other municipalities are doing, et cetera. Um, but I do think that we kind of need to look at ourselves and go, hey, like, are are we showing those, you know, the values of transparency and accountability through our actions right now? And is a lobby registry really going to change that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 36494.225, "end": 36494.685, "text": "That's it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36496.125, "end": 36497.025, "text": "Counselor Yule?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 36498.625, "end": 36508.625, "text": "Yeah, I I tend to agree that this might be cart before the horse um in that yes, we can set up a a lobbyist registry, but if if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 36509.205, "end": 36509.885, "text": "Province" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 36510.545, "end": 36517.325, "text": "doesn't include that in our code of conduct that we have to disclose who we meet with, it doesn't really" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 36517.745, "end": 36538.725, "text": "work together. So I I think I think if if we wait and see what comes through the province to know that a visitor log is required for a counselor, then a registry makes sense. But if if we don't have that requirement, there you can't really it it doesn't jive. So I'm just not there yet." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36540.865, "end": 36542.625, "text": "Counselor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 36544.405, "end": 36545.065, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 36545.425, "end": 36546.805, "text": "I think um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 36547.065, "end": 36549.245, "text": "Counselor Chabot's point about like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 36549.965, "end": 36561.745, "text": "Council used to log these things, right? Like just the meetings, and that was part of sort of the code of conduct of when we had a code of conduct within the city. And I think that that that that level" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 36562.505, "end": 36587.785, "text": "is something I would hope we would strive for with something like this. Like it shouldn't add friction. And the piece I worry about in this is that it either becomes an onerous process for our staff, which we will talk about later today, about sort of like the you know um the needs of our our board offices and and whether adding to that workload is is reasonable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 36588.685, "end": 36604.505, "text": "But also that it won't necessarily add friction for those meetings because I think those of those meetings should happen. They should just happen in a way that you're publicly accountable to to them happening. Um I guess to to to my end, I guess I come to the the conclusion of an exploration of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 36605.405, "end": 36657.485, "text": "Those outcomes and and seeing what could be done there and and having a an understanding of the landscape being done by you know someone that I think many of us on this council trust with you know with the advice uh to be given in Emily, um Dr. Emily Laidlaw. I think that's that what that's what's pushing me towards yes and sort of seeing what comes back, but I will be measuring it towards sort of that low friction um listing that council did of the past, because I do actually think that basically that was kind of the right amount of sunshine, as it were, into the meetings that were taking place. It's just here's a list of everyone I've been meeting with, here's, you know, and here's what the meeting was about. And it's simple enough for your staff to create, it's not an onerous process. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 36658.345, "end": 36679.045, "text": "But that that's definitely in terms of the result of this, that's what I will uh be looking at in terms of measuring whether or not to sort of move forward. So I'm happy to support the exploration at this point, but we'll be vetting the the recommendation that comes back sort of against those those measures of the past." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36681.865, "end": 36683.465, "text": "Okay. Uh Deputy Merkelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 36684.685, "end": 36690.025, "text": "Yeah, I won't offer too much debate here because I think I kind of feel uh very similarly to Councillor Chabot and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 36690.445, "end": 36785.545, "text": "And what his explanation was here. I'm not sure exactly what this will accomplish in the end. But I am uh I a different outcome than Counselor Chabot. Uh I voted several times here to uh uh to explore and learn a little bit more, and so as a result, I'm I'm happy to support this here today to learn a little bit more about how this could potentially uh uh benefit us. I know certainly without the uh uh without the code of conduct, as I think Councillor Tyres rightfully pointed out, that only two counselor offices are actually posting their visitors uh currently on Calgary.ca um because it's not a requirement. Uh I myself actually put it in a weekly newsletter who it is that I met with every week, and we send it out on Friday afternoon to a couple thousand uh constituents. So there are different ways that we can do this uh that work. I'm happy to see the addition of a D into here because uh when I take a look at Q4 2026, my hope is that we will have some additional uh information for the provincial government by that point. So uh yeah, well I'm not exact. I have lots of questions about how this would work and who it would how would yeah, who it would include and all those kinds of things, but um voting in favor of this today gets me some of those answers to those questions. So um yeah, happy to see the next step. Uh certainly not a guarantee by any means that I'll vote in favor of the uh of of uh the exploration once it comes forward as a recommendation, but um yeah, for now I'm happy to get a little bit more information." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36786.465, "end": 36787.905, "text": "Okay. Counselor Jameson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36789.925, "end": 36790.485, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36791.725, "end": 36812.485, "text": "So, under the Alberta Lobbyist Act, paid lobbyists must have to register when it when they communicate with the public holders. And this could include uh cabinet ministers, MLAs, political staff, senior public servants, and government employees, and in circumstances, even provincial boards, agencies, commissions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36813.185, "end": 36815.905, "text": "At that level. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36817.205, "end": 36833.825, "text": "I think a few of the questions have been answered here. One was does this apply to just lobbyists or counselors also? I think that got answered. This is really just philosophers. But my I guess my question is is a registered lobbyist? Because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36834.185, "end": 36836.025, "text": "in a way, everybody's a lobbyist." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36836.765, "end": 36850.905, "text": "Because everybody's lobbying for something. So does this only apply to registered lobbyists? Because I can tell you, in this building, I don't know if I've ever even seen one actual registered lobbyist." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36851.465, "end": 36855.665, "text": "But we have some of us seven, eight meetings a day" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36855.905, "end": 36859.065, "text": "with non registered lobbyists of some kind." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36859.725, "end": 36864.445, "text": "So I think that needs to be really clarified before I can support this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36865.265, "end": 36872.365, "text": "We did have the question about whether this includes non for profits, special interests, unions, CAs, civic partners." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36872.985, "end": 36875.565, "text": "Those are the people that are in here most of the time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36876.185, "end": 36877.065, "text": "I I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36877.285, "end": 36882.765, "text": "that's really uh important to understand where we're at with that. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36883.945, "end": 36887.565, "text": "I think that uh it really needs to include uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36888.925, "end": 36890.885, "text": "it also really needs to include" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36891.965, "end": 36916.745, "text": "Which groups meet with administration too, especially senior administration. I think this is uh this is pretty key because uh anybody that's lobbying us about something, they're also meeting with administration. And and I I must say that we're not the ones that create the policy, right? It's admin that does that. And I think if the count if the public really wants accountability and to make this make sense," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36917.605, "end": 36927.525, "text": "then I think the public would want to know you know who is meeting and who is lobbying you know administration the same way as as uh the expectation is for us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36928.725, "end": 36929.345, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36930.805, "end": 36935.605, "text": "at the end of the day, I think that uh I could probably support this if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36936.585, "end": 36940.185, "text": "You know, there was a amendment or a change to just one word," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36942.225, "end": 36960.705, "text": "which would be to amend clause C change from whether the registry should apply to senior administration to how the registry would apply to senior administration. So one word I could probably support this, but without that," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36961.105, "end": 36963.605, "text": "it's it's difficult for me. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36964.285, "end": 36967.365, "text": "And I'd be willing to put that amendment if that's needed at the end." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36968.005, "end": 36971.865, "text": "I I believe you had distributed an amendment to uh the clerks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36972.305, "end": 36973.565, "text": "Yep, would you like to place that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36973.925, "end": 36976.525, "text": "That is exactly what you did you receive it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36977.365, "end": 36977.725, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36979.345, "end": 36985.005, "text": "Well, one of my staff was supposed to send it. I guess, you know, getting lost in clothes there really uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36985.145, "end": 36987.625, "text": "Oh, actually, sorry, I believe that was from Counselor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36987.785, "end": 36994.525, "text": "but but I am planning on doing one or that should have happened, but it didn't. But um is yours similar? I mean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 36994.525, "end": 36995.585, "text": "It's exact same." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36995.585, "end": 36996.385, "text": "is it really?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36996.525, "end": 36997.025, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36997.605, "end": 37004.065, "text": "So it's just the one word. Uh so I'd be willing to put that forward. Uh you could probably count on my support for this if that one word was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37004.065, "end": 37008.625, "text": "So is it just the change from uh should to would and weather to to how?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 37008.625, "end": 37018.505, "text": "Yeah, yeah, instead of change from whether the registry should apply to senior administration to how the registry should apply, meaning it must apply." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37018.505, "end": 37020.785, "text": "So it's just a change from the word weather to how." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 37020.845, "end": 37021.365, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 37030.265, "end": 37032.965, "text": "Yeah, unless mine makes more sense, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 37033.005, "end": 37036.285, "text": "Sure. Well, I I'm happy to hear yours if before we proceed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37036.585, "end": 37039.945, "text": "I'm gonna let uh counselor Jameson here to uh make his attempt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 37040.865, "end": 37046.085, "text": "yeah, we can use his. I think it's the exact same thing. I just want to make sure it's like solidified, but I think yours" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 37046.085, "end": 37048.485, "text": "If we could see it up here, maybe we could take a look at it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37048.725, "end": 37049.065, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 37049.065, "end": 37049.245, "text": "and then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37050.865, "end": 37057.925, "text": "Okay, so it's been uh moved by uh counselor jameson. It's been seconded by uh Counselor Johnston and uh if you'd like to speak to it, Counselor Johnson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 37059.905, "end": 37075.525, "text": "Yeah, just basically allows that if this were to go through the process, that administrative staff would be included in it as much as counsel would be included. So that's if this does pass, I hope that is what is uh presented to us when it comes back." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37076.645, "end": 37079.085, "text": "Can all speak to this uh to debate. Uh I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37079.585, "end": 37088.045, "text": "I'm okay to support the amendment, but uh I think we need to understand that uh our ethics advisor will be acting independently in terms of the scope scan, so she'll be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37088.505, "end": 37092.705, "text": "uh reviewing this and coming up with our own uh independent recommendations. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37093.065, "end": 37097.245, "text": "that may not necessarily be based on the jurisdictional scan what other cities do. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37097.525, "end": 37105.185, "text": "as long as council has an open mind to the independence of that officer, I think we have to set expectations. So happy to support that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37105.505, "end": 37107.705, "text": "Several council or sorry uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37108.585, "end": 37110.065, "text": "Miss Floan, please. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 37111.065, "end": 37132.925, "text": "Thank you. I would just add that we're going to have to, in this um uh response back or report back, um, examine the role of the CAO as the administrative head, because of course the CAO, through his authority, sets policy for administration. So that's just going to have to be reconciled. Um, so we'll make sure that that's incorporated into the report back." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37133.405, "end": 37135.745, "text": "Okay. Can uh Deputy Mayor Kelly on this amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 37138.045, "end": 37140.545, "text": "Yeah, sorry, I was just hoping to see the text again there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 37141.505, "end": 37141.865, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37144.805, "end": 37150.125, "text": "So it's up on the screen and it's a change from the word weather to the change uh to the read the the word how." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37151.625, "end": 37152.125, "text": "So it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37152.305, "end": 37154.845, "text": "how the registry should apply to senior administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37156.245, "end": 37164.305, "text": "I should note just technically the the lobbyist registry would apply to the lobbyist. It wouldn't necessarily apply to administration, but I think the intent here is uh clear." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 37164.525, "end": 37172.205, "text": "Yeah, no, I I appreciate it. My my uh the the reason for my RTS on this is specifically related to um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 37172.865, "end": 37188.885, "text": "Like, I don't really want to narrow the scope too much at this point. I'd rather get from uh in order for this to be as effective as possible, provide as broad a latitude as possible to the uh um to our ethics advisor on on this. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 37192.425, "end": 37195.545, "text": "I'm just rereading the text here to see." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 37195.765, "end": 37200.265, "text": "So it was whether the registry, now it's how the registry should." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 37201.345, "end": 37209.645, "text": "If we were to have also changed should to could, I might be able to get behind this. But as it's written, I'll I'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 37210.445, "end": 37212.505, "text": "I think I'm gonna decline on this one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37212.505, "end": 37214.525, "text": "I'm gonna go to Councillor Jameson and close on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 37216.605, "end": 37217.545, "text": "closed. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37217.545, "end": 37221.045, "text": "Uh let's engage the evoads on the amendment. It's to change the word weather" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37221.745, "end": 37222.525, "text": "to the word how." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37229.785, "end": 37235.565, "text": "Apologies, Mayor Farkas. That was the incorrect amendment that was just cast. We just need one minute to recast it for you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37237.085, "end": 37237.625, "text": "No problem at all." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37246.165, "end": 37247.605, "text": "It's all good. We're going two days anyway." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37249.365, "end": 37249.865, "text": "Too soon." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37251.425, "end": 37254.285, "text": "Three days. No, I don't know if what you're doing on day three, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37255.185, "end": 37256.625, "text": "I am I'm not gonna be here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37258.545, "end": 37260.125, "text": "Thanks, Mayor Farkas. It's ready for you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37260.305, "end": 37265.785, "text": "All right, uh it's up on the screen. It's to amend C by deleting the word weather and replacing with the word how." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37266.525, "end": 37268.405, "text": "All right, let's engage the vote, please. Madam Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37279.665, "end": 37281.205, "text": "Councilor Jamison, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 37282.585, "end": 37282.985, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37283.405, "end": 37283.725, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37283.925, "end": 37285.565, "text": "Councilor Atkinson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 37285.725, "end": 37286.105, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37286.185, "end": 37286.645, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37287.485, "end": 37288.345, "text": "Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 37289.205, "end": 37289.745, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37289.745, "end": 37292.445, "text": "So just one sec is Councillor Dollywall on the line?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 37293.325, "end": 37293.825, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37294.425, "end": 37296.225, "text": "Okay, Councillor Dollywall, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37296.845, "end": 37297.405, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37297.665, "end": 37299.185, "text": "Councilor Tyres, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 37300.005, "end": 37300.365, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37300.605, "end": 37301.125, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37302.165, "end": 37303.685, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37304.225, "end": 37305.785, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37311.425, "end": 37313.725, "text": "Motion is carried to office three with counselors Yule," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37313.885, "end": 37317.845, "text": "Kelly, and Chabot opposed. I'm gonna go to Councilor Clark to close on the motion as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 37319.165, "end": 37324.225, "text": "Well, holy Mac and Cheddar. What a wonderful conversation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 37324.785, "end": 37380.185, "text": "You know, and I think that's what notice of motions should do, and they should be, is engage this. And I just we've done this efficiently, but we've we've heard a broad stroke of of opinions here, and I you've left me with a number of things to try to manage and and respond to here. So uh uh counselor uh uh Jameson, I just want to acknowledge I thought that was a wonderful uh amendment. Very happy to have supported it, and I'm glad to see it in this. I think the conversation at hand here is about how we deliver a more uh transparent approach to how the city of Calgary conducts itself, period, whether whether that's us or administration. So I think that's wonderful. Um Councilor Tyers, uh, you know, setting the tone with with a strategy that's consistent amongst all of us does does kind of lead every horse to water and hopefully uh I mean the obligation to drink. And so I think this could be the direction that we need um to to ensure that we all follow through on our commitments and and our responsibilities. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 37381.385, "end": 37467.365, "text": "Uh and to Councillor Ward and McLean to your points about the not-for-profits, I think ever in fact every person who came forward today and made comments about what they hope it would be or are concerned about what it is or is not, take it as uh I hope that to all listening from administration who will work on this, uh take that as uh our notes and our recommendations as to how this should be, because your points are well taken. We we see all kinds of people engaged in this work. So uh I think fundamentally uh none of these offices belong to us. They belong to the residents of our wards, and it is our responsibility to conduct ourselves in these spaces as openly and transparently as possible. I don't think it's unfair to say that uh the city of Calgary and and this chamber and these offices have seen its fair share of scandals, and that the public has every reason to be concerned and feel mistrusting. I've I've heard that actually from a number of my council colleagues since being here, and so here is an opportunity, uh, perhaps a slightly performative, sure, but I think uh what it offers is uh a step in the right direction. And so I encourage you to support it. And and to the point that you know, the performative piece, I mean, we've heard that drum bang time and time again about going into closed and regular processes and procedures across what this city does and and holding ourselves to account. So uh if you don't support this, one could argue it would be somewhat performative." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 37468.325, "end": 37470.465, "text": "Thank you very much. Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37470.745, "end": 37472.025, "text": "All right. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37473.705, "end": 37475.505, "text": "but before we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37476.605, "end": 37480.905, "text": "uh before we go to the vote, I've had a request to call the bullet D separately." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37481.505, "end": 37483.545, "text": "So first we'll engage the e-vote on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37484.325, "end": 37485.625, "text": "uh A, B," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37485.885, "end": 37486.445, "text": "C," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37487.145, "end": 37487.545, "text": "E," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37487.845, "end": 37488.405, "text": "and F." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37490.505, "end": 37495.965, "text": "And this is all the bullets at the excluding the uh collaboration with the provincial government. So the piece about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37496.305, "end": 37498.765, "text": "working with the province to do it will be a separate vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37500.285, "end": 37503.765, "text": "All right, uh let's engage the e vote on bullets A, B, C, E, and F." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37518.945, "end": 37520.285, "text": "E scribe is tired, I think." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37523.405, "end": 37524.965, "text": "Councilor Clark, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37525.005, "end": 37525.185, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37525.325, "end": 37527.445, "text": "Thank you. Councilor Atkinson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37527.545, "end": 37527.945, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37528.465, "end": 37530.545, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37530.925, "end": 37532.265, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37537.585, "end": 37541.365, "text": "And on that, the motion is carried 13 to 2, with counselors Yule and Chabot opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37541.905, "end": 37545.385, "text": "Let's call the uh let's engage the vote on uh bullet D now, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37548.785, "end": 37553.605, "text": "And this is the the potential for collaboration with the provincial government through the expansion of its existing registry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37567.165, "end": 37568.465, "text": "Councilor Clark, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37568.345, "end": 37568.645, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37568.805, "end": 37570.865, "text": "Thank you. Councilor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37571.665, "end": 37573.425, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37574.745, "end": 37576.285, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37578.045, "end": 37581.965, "text": "And on that, the motion is carried 13 to 2 with counselors Yule and Chabot opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37583.145, "end": 37583.885, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37584.345, "end": 37587.345, "text": "I will now call the uh budget item" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37588.405, "end": 37588.985, "text": "back" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37591.045, "end": 37592.105, "text": "to in front of us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37592.625, "end": 37593.365, "text": "I think is the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37594.165, "end": 37596.965, "text": "back to now. Back to now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37597.305, "end": 37602.485, "text": "I will be seeking, I believe, Madam Clerk, a motion to go into closed session." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37602.725, "end": 37604.005, "text": "That's right, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37605.285, "end": 37606.145, "text": "Yep, the motion's before." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37606.145, "end": 37607.985, "text": "Is there anyone? Deputy Mayor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37608.585, "end": 37609.665, "text": "Kelly has moved that item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37611.405, "end": 37611.945, "text": "Second or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37613.525, "end": 37615.065, "text": "seconded by uh Councillor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37615.285, "end": 37616.805, "text": "Let's engage the vote on that, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37640.705, "end": 37642.605, "text": "Councillor Pantazopoulos, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37643.865, "end": 37644.505, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37644.885, "end": 37646.525, "text": "Counselor Clark, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37646.525, "end": 37646.825, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37646.965, "end": 37647.485, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37647.965, "end": 37649.505, "text": "Counselor Atkinson, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37649.505, "end": 37649.845, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37649.965, "end": 37650.505, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 37651.185, "end": 37652.725, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37652.885, "end": 37654.265, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37657.645, "end": 37660.605, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 14 to 1 with Councillor Tyres opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37661.005, "end": 37662.265, "text": "Okay. We will head to the boardroom." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40452.925, "end": 40458.765, "text": "The regular meeting of councils about to reconvene in open session. Please make your way back to the council chamber." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40727.685, "end": 40730.565, "text": "All right. Welcome back, Madam Clerk. Please call the rule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40730.845, "end": 40733.105, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Counselor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40734.065, "end": 40735.685, "text": "Counselor Tyres. Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40735.885, "end": 40736.945, "text": "Counselor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40737.025, "end": 40737.305, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40737.525, "end": 40738.705, "text": "Counselor Wyness." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40738.965, "end": 40739.965, "text": "Counselor Ewell." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40740.025, "end": 40740.265, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40740.465, "end": 40741.665, "text": "Counselor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40742.105, "end": 40743.065, "text": "Counselor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40743.165, "end": 40743.465, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40743.485, "end": 40744.365, "text": "Counselor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40744.465, "end": 40744.805, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40744.805, "end": 40745.905, "text": "Counselor Dollywall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40746.685, "end": 40746.965, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40747.245, "end": 40748.325, "text": "Counselor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40748.425, "end": 40748.845, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40749.065, "end": 40750.005, "text": "Counselor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40750.205, "end": 40750.485, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40750.565, "end": 40751.405, "text": "Counselor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40751.485, "end": 40751.825, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40752.065, "end": 40752.945, "text": "Counselor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40753.745, "end": 40755.305, "text": "Counselor Pantozo" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40755.485, "end": 40756.745, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40756.905, "end": 40757.325, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40757.445, "end": 40757.965, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40760.505, "end": 40763.285, "text": "All right, uh, I'm seeking a motion to rise and report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40764.085, "end": 40765.745, "text": "Moved by uh Deputy Mayor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40766.485, "end": 40768.725, "text": "seconded by uh Councilor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40769.985, "end": 40770.985, "text": "Uh all in favor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40771.925, "end": 40772.625, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40773.805, "end": 40776.245, "text": "Seeing none, that uh motion is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40777.245, "end": 40784.485, "text": "I believe we have uh amended recommendation. Uh do I, madam clerk, do I look to Councilor Panasopoulos just to move the whole thing?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40784.925, "end": 40789.145, "text": "We prepared it as administration's main motion and then an amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40789.145, "end": 40789.445, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40790.065, "end": 40794.865, "text": "So we can display the main motion first for you and then Councillor Pantozoulos could make the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40795.185, "end": 40802.125, "text": "All right. Can I please have a uh mover and seconder for the main motion? Uh Deputy Mayor Kelly has moved that. Seconded by uh Councillor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40802.685, "end": 40805.565, "text": "So the original uh main motion from the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40806.305, "end": 40811.985, "text": "agenda is now on the table. I'm gonna go to counselor Panasopoulos to uh provide his amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40812.685, "end": 40814.705, "text": "Uh clerks, if you could pull up the amendment," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40818.865, "end": 40822.205, "text": "be short and sweet, as discussed enclosed. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40822.765, "end": 40825.725, "text": "And nothing to add um beyond that. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40826.925, "end": 40832.985, "text": "I don't know if we can, so I'll just leave it there as discussed enclosed. Uh when is the member there? Not yet, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40833.165, "end": 40834.025, "text": "to to come." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40835.005, "end": 40836.465, "text": "Is there a seconder on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40838.225, "end": 40839.865, "text": "Seconded by uh Councilor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40843.765, "end": 40847.045, "text": "Okay, I'm gonna just uh ask for the e vote to be engaged." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 40868.505, "end": 40869.385, "text": "hasn't launched yet." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40883.745, "end": 40885.185, "text": "Counselor Ewell, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 40885.585, "end": 40886.005, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40886.465, "end": 40886.985, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40887.405, "end": 40888.685, "text": "Councillor Clark, your vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 40888.685, "end": 40889.125, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40890.305, "end": 40892.105, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40892.365, "end": 40893.805, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40898.385, "end": 40903.845, "text": "And on that, the motion is carried with counselors Ward, Johnston, Jameis, and Tyre, Shabot, Wyness, and McLean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40904.405, "end": 40904.925, "text": "opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40905.705, "end": 40906.665, "text": "All right. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40906.905, "end": 40908.885, "text": "I gotta find out where we are on this agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40909.305, "end": 40910.985, "text": "On the main as amended first, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40910.985, "end": 40913.085, "text": "Well on the main as amended. All right. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40913.265, "end": 40914.845, "text": "Deputy Mayor Kelly, would you like to close?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40917.445, "end": 40917.905, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40918.585, "end": 40921.225, "text": "All right. Let's engage the e-vote on the main as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40930.845, "end": 40932.105, "text": "Councilor Clark, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40932.245, "end": 40932.545, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40932.645, "end": 40933.225, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40934.065, "end": 40935.445, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40935.665, "end": 40935.985, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40937.105, "end": 40938.125, "text": "Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40938.785, "end": 40940.665, "text": "All right. The motion is carried on the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40941.185, "end": 40946.125, "text": "uh sorry, eight to seven with counselors Ward, Johnston, James Center, Shabot, Wyness, and McClain." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40951.865, "end": 40953.585, "text": "Item 7.2, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40955.785, "end": 40957.005, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40963.465, "end": 40968.905, "text": "We're just I had a couple questions, colleagues from staff, in terms of what our plans will be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40969.485, "end": 40972.845, "text": "uh for tonight and continuing this meeting uh tomorrow." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40973.405, "end": 40978.405, "text": "Um I'm my suggestion is that we make the commitment now that we're not going to go past 9 30 p.m." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40978.965, "end": 40985.365, "text": "And I'd be seeking a motion to override the rules if there was an interest to come back tomorrow at 9 30 a.m." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40985.825, "end": 40989.005, "text": "I'd just like to resolve that question now before we continue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40989.405, "end": 40992.865, "text": "Uh if we don't adopt a motion to start at 9 30 in the morning," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40993.245, "end": 40995.765, "text": "we'd be coming back tomorrow at 1 p.m. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40996.285, "end": 40998.845, "text": "is there uh any interest in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40999.925, "end": 41001.705, "text": "uh the suspension of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41001.925, "end": 41005.625, "text": "Suspension of the procedure bylaw to allow for change of the time of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41006.385, "end": 41008.605, "text": "resuming from recess. I can never remember what it's called." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41008.905, "end": 41010.945, "text": "Counselor Ward's arm is so straight" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41011.325, "end": 41012.285, "text": "and so far up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41012.945, "end": 41014.245, "text": "That's great, I can see that from here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41014.685, "end": 41016.165, "text": "Alright, Councilor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41016.625, "end": 41017.265, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41017.425, "end": 41019.105, "text": "we're just gonna make sure that uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41020.105, "end": 41023.985, "text": "that's up on the screen and it's to allow for us to reconvene tomorrow at 9 30." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41024.285, "end": 41025.405, "text": "Is there a seconder for that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41026.145, "end": 41027.925, "text": "Okay, that's been seconded by Councilor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41028.685, "end": 41029.785, "text": "So again, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41030.325, "end": 41031.885, "text": "before we go to a vote on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41032.645, "end": 41036.905, "text": "If uh this passes, we'll start at 9 30 a.m. tomorrow. If it does not pass," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41037.325, "end": 41038.965, "text": "we will start at 1 p.m." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41041.845, "end": 41043.585, "text": "I don't think there's any debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41044.525, "end": 41046.385, "text": "This is fast. All right, let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41056.605, "end": 41060.945, "text": "I believe it'll say that just because that's the item that we're on and we're considering a procedure motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41063.005, "end": 41064.765, "text": "I believe if you just click the bottom" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41064.965, "end": 41067.385, "text": "or the down arrow, it'll show what the actual motion is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41073.605, "end": 41074.905, "text": "Councilor Kelly, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41077.645, "end": 41078.085, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41079.685, "end": 41080.025, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41080.445, "end": 41082.405, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41083.205, "end": 41084.405, "text": "Alright, please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41087.505, "end": 41090.585, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 13 to 2 with counselors Johnston" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41091.065, "end": 41091.965, "text": "and McLean opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41092.885, "end": 41093.485, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41093.845, "end": 41096.885, "text": "We're gonna go now to the consent agenda items that were" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41097.665, "end": 41103.945, "text": "pulled off the omnibus motion starting with 7.2 27 to 28 family and community support service funding recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41104.925, "end": 41108.065, "text": "So I believe that was uh Councilor Schmidt who pulled that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 41110.465, "end": 41111.425, "text": "Let's go, boys." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41113.425, "end": 41114.965, "text": "So I will uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41115.865, "end": 41116.365, "text": "open" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41117.085, "end": 41120.945, "text": "and then wait for a second here and then do the task." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41121.425, "end": 41126.625, "text": "All right, that's been moved uh by Councilor Schmidt. Second by uh Councilor Clark. Uh please do the task." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41126.925, "end": 41130.365, "text": "Uh so there should be, I believe, an amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41131.205, "end": 41131.985, "text": "here" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41132.325, "end": 41139.785, "text": "uh just on the request of administration to fix an error that was picked up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41140.025, "end": 41141.885, "text": "And uh I apologize. I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41142.705, "end": 41146.345, "text": "it feels like forever ago I need to figure out which attachment that was for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41148.345, "end": 41150.945, "text": "Uh it would be for attachment one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41151.425, "end": 41153.505, "text": "And there's a revised attachment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41154.105, "end": 41155.745, "text": "that I believe was sent" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41156.045, "end": 41157.585, "text": "uh with the corrections made." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41163.425, "end": 41166.685, "text": "Okay, we'll take a moment to just double check that that that is there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41172.485, "end": 41177.345, "text": "The revised attachment one has been distributed with an E scribe now that it's been introduced" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41177.845, "end": 41178.625, "text": "into the record." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41179.045, "end": 41181.265, "text": "Is there a seconder required to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41182.365, "end": 41182.925, "text": "allow for that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41183.725, "end": 41185.105, "text": "Yes, please. I thought it was Councilor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41185.105, "end": 41187.465, "text": "I'm gonna say uh Councilor Clark is also second that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41188.905, "end": 41189.125, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41190.485, "end": 41193.585, "text": "All right. I see no further debate on this. So I'm going to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41193.945, "end": 41196.385, "text": "engage the ask that the evote be engaged, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41196.445, "end": 41197.765, "text": "I will say it's closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41197.985, "end": 41198.225, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41199.065, "end": 41199.505, "text": "Sounds good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41211.225, "end": 41212.565, "text": "Sorry, is there a question? Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 41215.045, "end": 41218.465, "text": "Any clarification at all on what the actual change is?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41218.505, "end": 41221.725, "text": "Yeah, if you if you could just speak to that, uh, Councilor Schmidt on what the change is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41222.345, "end": 41225.125, "text": "So the change um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41228.425, "end": 41232.125, "text": "actually perhaps if administration could uh provide this as I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41232.705, "end": 41235.845, "text": "Have the revised attachment, but I did not compare them to one another." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 41235.865, "end": 41244.505, "text": "I can speak to it. There was a typo and it showed up in the original as sixteen point whatever and it was meant to be seventeen point whatever." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 41244.805, "end": 41250.225, "text": "So uh yes, uh Counselor Johnston caught it in the committee and so we undertook to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 41250.705, "end": 41253.185, "text": "get a revised attachment one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 41253.565, "end": 41255.045, "text": "Apologies for that typo." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41258.285, "end": 41259.585, "text": "All right, colleagues. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41260.085, "end": 41261.265, "text": "are we set to vote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41261.925, "end": 41263.845, "text": "Okay. Seeing uh no further debate," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41264.365, "end": 41265.425, "text": "let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41275.925, "end": 41277.445, "text": "Councilor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 41278.825, "end": 41279.185, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41281.085, "end": 41282.485, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41283.005, "end": 41283.625, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41283.785, "end": 41285.225, "text": "Mayor, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41286.085, "end": 41287.505, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41288.225, "end": 41291.885, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 12 to 3 with counselors Johnston, James, and McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41292.585, "end": 41293.105, "text": "Are opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41294.645, "end": 41299.885, "text": "All right, I believe it was uh 7.10 the field house item that was next that was pulled." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41300.605, "end": 41302.485, "text": "Councilor uh Dallywell, over to you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 41303.725, "end": 41307.105, "text": "Yeah, thank you, Mayor. This is uh just a um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 41307.425, "end": 41309.245, "text": "amendment to the recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 41309.905, "end": 41316.065, "text": "Uh clerk's got the amend uh amended recommendation. I think it will be a recommendation two after one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 41318.285, "end": 41356.005, "text": "If you can bring it up, uh it's uh just asking our administration. Um I request the council to direct administration to submit submit the multi-sport field house project to the government of Canada for consideration consideration under the Bill Community Strong Fund and undertake all actions necessary to prepare and support the application. What I mean by that is uh there's some requirements by our provincial governments, so administration to touch base on that. So we comply with all any and all of those, but we should be making a um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 41356.145, "end": 41388.685, "text": "Uh funding request uh under Build Community Strong Fund. We just saw some major funding announcements in Calgary yesterday, and there was a small one today, not small, but significant one that uh Deputy Mayor was there. So this is an opportunity for us to put forward this big ask and let's see where it goes, but at least we should make an attempt. So I um I ask my colleagues to support it. Uh so with that, I'm um I'm open and uh hopefully someone can second it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41388.985, "end": 41394.925, "text": "Okay, I need a mover for the main. So moved by Councilor Dallywell, seconded by uh Counselor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41395.165, "end": 41397.125, "text": "So the main is on the table, and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41397.605, "end": 41402.325, "text": "the amendment has been moved by uh Councilor Dollywall, seconded by Councilor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41402.845, "end": 41407.265, "text": "So we now have the amendment to this on the table. Any debate on this, colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41409.825, "end": 41410.845, "text": "Uh Deputy Mayor, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 41411.265, "end": 41420.845, "text": "Just to confirm that because this is replacing um recommendation number two, does that mean that uh attachment number two is no longer held confidential?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 41424.025, "end": 41429.425, "text": "It shouldn't be replacing two. It should be renumbered. This is two and this two becomes three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41428.465, "end": 41428.745, "text": "Insert." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 41429.605, "end": 41431.025, "text": "Inserting, okay. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41432.385, "end": 41435.065, "text": "All right, to you to close uh counselor Dadawa on the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 41436.005, "end": 41436.685, "text": "Unclosed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41437.025, "end": 41439.145, "text": "Okay, let's let's engage the vote on this amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41439.685, "end": 41440.005, "text": "Please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41452.105, "end": 41453.745, "text": "Council Tyres, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41454.365, "end": 41456.085, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41456.665, "end": 41456.985, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41458.385, "end": 41459.865, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41461.045, "end": 41462.445, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41463.085, "end": 41467.525, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 12 to 3 with counselor's tires, Chabot and YNASS opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41468.225, "end": 41471.425, "text": "Over to you to close on the amended main motion, Councilor Dadawa." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 41473.585, "end": 41474.305, "text": "Unclosed, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41474.725, "end": 41477.245, "text": "All right, let's engage the vote on the uh motion as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41490.685, "end": 41492.345, "text": "Councillor Jamison, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41494.165, "end": 41496.185, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41496.665, "end": 41497.005, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41497.405, "end": 41499.165, "text": "Thank you. Mayor, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41499.745, "end": 41501.145, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41504.565, "end": 41508.165, "text": "Motion is carried 13 to 2 with counselors tires and why Ness opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41509.645, "end": 41515.985, "text": "All right, uh 716 is a closed item, so that's gonna be dealt with uh later in the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41516.665, "end": 41522.905, "text": "We're gonna go to uh 719 now, the uh non-market land uh dissipation item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41523.445, "end": 41526.685, "text": "I believe is uh polled just to vote against by Councillor Johnston. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41526.905, "end": 41527.685, "text": "counselor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41528.385, "end": 41529.585, "text": "Schmidt, did you want to move that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41530.845, "end": 41532.285, "text": "Yes, I will move and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41532.605, "end": 41533.265, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41534.165, "end": 41534.945, "text": "that is my open." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41535.585, "end": 41536.405, "text": "Is there a seconder?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41536.665, "end": 41537.385, "text": "Counselor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41537.985, "end": 41539.425, "text": "Okay, that's been moved and seconded." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41539.885, "end": 41541.145, "text": "Any debate on this, colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41542.665, "end": 41544.885, "text": "Okay, seeing none, uh let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41545.805, "end": 41546.285, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41558.445, "end": 41559.745, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41560.245, "end": 41562.105, "text": "Thank you. Uh or yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41565.465, "end": 41566.045, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41566.065, "end": 41567.805, "text": "You're welcome. All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41569.285, "end": 41571.605, "text": "I'm just thr stoked to be here, you know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41572.945, "end": 41574.845, "text": "All right, uh please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41577.585, "end": 41578.445, "text": "That the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41578.745, "end": 41580.285, "text": "motion has carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41580.865, "end": 41584.225, "text": "11 to 4 with counselors Johnston, Jameson, tires, and McClain opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41587.305, "end": 41590.625, "text": "Okay, if I am correct, I believe we're on 9.3.1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41591.085, "end": 41591.465, "text": "That's right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41591.685, "end": 41595.145, "text": "Okay, we'll give uh Madam Clerk just a moment to move over. This is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41595.685, "end": 41598.105, "text": "nine point three point one. It's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41598.545, "end": 41601.345, "text": "To amend the City Clerk bylaw 73M94" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41603.205, "end": 41609.565, "text": "and designation of head of the local public body. C 2026 0709." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41610.965, "end": 41614.565, "text": "Proposed bylaws 31M 2026" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41615.045, "end": 41617.065, "text": "and 32M 2020." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41618.525, "end": 41628.565, "text": "Thank you for reading that so slowly. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Members of Council, Kate Martin, City Clerk. I do have a brief presentation if Council would like one. Otherwise, I'm happy to proceed to questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41630.405, "end": 41631.945, "text": "Any requirement for presentation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41634.065, "end": 41635.965, "text": "Seeing none, uh any questions?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41638.185, "end": 41641.485, "text": "Seeing none, uh can I seek a mover and seconder from the main?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41641.965, "end": 41644.445, "text": "Moved by Councillor Schmidt, seconded by Deputy Mayor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41645.085, "end": 41645.965, "text": "Any debate on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41648.365, "end": 41653.505, "text": "Okay, I'll just jump in. It seems relatively straightforward. Uh really appreciated reading the package. Very uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41654.705, "end": 41656.845, "text": "very very simple, almost housekeeping matter." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41659.025, "end": 41660.505, "text": "All right, would you like to close, Consorchman?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41660.865, "end": 41666.705, "text": "Just by saying that uh I think anytime the clerk's team brings us something in council," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 41666.985, "end": 41671.425, "text": "we can rest assured that we should vote yes. So that's my close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41672.505, "end": 41674.445, "text": "All right, uh let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 41686.705, "end": 41688.345, "text": "Mayor Farkas, the vo all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41688.825, "end": 41690.245, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41695.225, "end": 41699.465, "text": "On that, the motion is carried. 15 to 0. I'll move to the readings of the two different bylaws." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41700.045, "end": 41703.445, "text": "First reading of bylaw 31M 2026, anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41703.885, "end": 41705.105, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41705.505, "end": 41710.225, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 31 M 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41710.705, "end": 41714.745, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 31M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41715.245, "end": 41716.825, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41717.265, "end": 41722.365, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 31M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41723.405, "end": 41724.905, "text": "Now to first reading of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41725.105, "end": 41728.445, "text": "bylaw 32M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41728.785, "end": 41729.985, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41730.485, "end": 41735.205, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 32 M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41735.825, "end": 41740.045, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 32M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41740.425, "end": 41742.085, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41742.605, "end": 41745.945, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 32M2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41746.225, "end": 41747.605, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41748.945, "end": 41751.905, "text": "All right. Let's move to 9.3.2." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41752.565, "end": 41756.225, "text": "Resignations and appointments to boards, commissions, and committees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 41759.065, "end": 41779.865, "text": "Good evening, Mayor Farkas and Council. I'm Lori Siller, the Leader of Municipal Boards and Governance. I'm joined by our governor's coordinator, Jeannie Dubets, this evening. I'm here tonight to present the resignations and appointments to boards, commissions, and committees. I do have a brief presentation if you would like me to provide it. Otherwise, I can answer any questions you have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41781.305, "end": 41782.865, "text": "Colleagues, is there a need for a presentation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41784.345, "end": 41784.645, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41785.165, "end": 41786.165, "text": "Seeing none." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41786.745, "end": 41790.025, "text": "Is there desire to move into closed session to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41790.305, "end": 41792.925, "text": "discuss the confidential attachment or appointees?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41794.045, "end": 41795.285, "text": "Okay. Seeing none." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41795.985, "end": 41797.945, "text": "Uh Councillor Shabot, would you like to move the item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 41801.105, "end": 41802.385, "text": "Happy to move the recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41802.545, "end": 41804.685, "text": "Second. And seconded by Councilor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41805.245, "end": 41806.365, "text": "Any debate on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41808.105, "end": 41810.185, "text": "Hearing none, to you to close, Councilor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 41811.605, "end": 41812.385, "text": "Great recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 41812.685, "end": 41813.065, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41814.705, "end": 41816.885, "text": "And thank you as well to those individuals." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41818.065, "end": 41820.065, "text": "So uh let's engage the e-vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41859.545, "end": 41861.125, "text": "Councilor Ewell, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41861.665, "end": 41862.305, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41862.525, "end": 41864.145, "text": "Councilor Clark, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41864.325, "end": 41864.905, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41865.385, "end": 41866.905, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41867.565, "end": 41869.105, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41872.245, "end": 41874.925, "text": "And that the motion is carried unanimously, 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41875.825, "end": 41879.025, "text": "We'll now move to item 9.3.3," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41879.605, "end": 41884.425, "text": "2027 to 2030, Office of the Counselors and Ward" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41884.965, "end": 41886.745, "text": "budget recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41887.565, "end": 41889.665, "text": "Report C 2026" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41890.125, "end": 41891.305, "text": "0374." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41894.665, "end": 41899.085, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Kate Martin, City Clerk. Again, I have a brief presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41899.505, "end": 41902.825, "text": "Should Council like to see one? Otherwise, I'm happy to proceed to questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41903.445, "end": 41905.665, "text": "I think we would benefit from the presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41905.865, "end": 41907.265, "text": "Sounds good. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41908.885, "end": 41927.265, "text": "Council, in terms of previous council direction, section 16, excuse me, section 13 sub A of the Counselor's Budgets and Expenses bylaw provides that the City Clerk is responsible for recommending a budget to council each year at budget time for the Office of the Counselors, and this includes the amount for the ward budgets." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41927.485, "end": 41942.025, "text": "The Office of the Council's budgets, which includes Ward budgets, are presented annually to Council through the Business Plans and Budgets process. Council's decisions with respect to this report will inform the recommendations that are incorporated into administration's proposed budgets plans." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41942.605, "end": 41958.745, "text": "Business plans and budgets for consideration by council in November. Council last approved an increase to your ward budgets as part of the 2023 budget adjustments. They became effective in 2024, and those were to address pressures associated with growing populations in the city at the time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41959.425, "end": 41967.585, "text": "I'll also note that Council gave some related direction related to the ward budgets to administration back in January 2025." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41967.765, "end": 41976.805, "text": "Council adopted recommendations that came from the Ward Boundary Commission, and I would like you to be aware that we are working to deliver on that in Q2 2027." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41977.025, "end": 41978.045, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41979.945, "end": 41998.545, "text": "In terms of the recommendations that are before you, Council, it is to direct administration to incorporate the following changes to the Office of the Counselor's budgets into the proposed 2027-2030 business plans and budgets. A. Increase your ward budgets by 20% in 2027 as outlined in attachment two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 41998.765, "end": 42042.205, "text": "Increase the word budget annually from 2027 to 2030 to adjust for inflation. Again, that's outlined in your attachment to. And then increase the office of the counselors and the council services budgets at the recommended and confidential attachments. I will walk you through those in a moment. And lastly, it's to direct that confidential attachment five and six be held confidential pursuant to section 29. Council, for clarity, what I want to share is that you are not voting or approving the budget increase today. That is not the recommendation. Rather, my recommendation is that council is being asked to incorporate the recommended increases into the overall proposed City of Calgary 2027 2030 business plans and budgets. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42043.585, "end": 42079.905, "text": "In terms of the context around the decision that you will be making, really briefly, as a reminder, each counselor is allocated a work budget annually, and this is to support them in carrying out their duties as a member of council. With respect to counselors' budgets and service budgets and expenses bylaw, word budgets cover five categories of expenditures. These are the salaries for your counselor's assistance, an expense allowance, communications, research, office projects, travel, and courses and seminars or employee educations and learning. So again, the categories are already set within the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42080.185, "end": 42105.325, "text": "There is also a secondary budget, which is the Office of the Counselor's budget, and that supports common expenses of counselors. So these are things like travel expenses approved by council, example for Alberta Munis, the Federation of Canadian Municipalities, Quebec Carnival, Grey Cup, it's covered out of that budget. Costs related to counselors onboarding, refreshments for ward offices, as well as counselors' salaries and benefits." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42106.825, "end": 42137.085, "text": "Now turning to the recommendations before you and developing these recommendations, the City Clerk's Office considered a number of factors, including economic factors, a scan of other municipalities, feedback from counselors, and previous council direction. Survey from counselors, which is contained in attachment three to the report, showed that 10 responding out of 10 responding counselors, seven reported that the current word budget amount is not meeting their current needs, with eight counselors preferring an increase for the upcoming budget cycle." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42137.485, "end": 42166.785, "text": "Majority of counselors that responded to the survey listed population growth and inflation as the most important factors for me to consider when developing the ward budget recommendations. Individual responses from counselors also noted that there were additional resource pressures as needed to maintain the service levels in your ward offices that are associated with the growing population. This is to support the possibility of additional staff or to support increases to compensation of ward office staff." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42167.045, "end": 42204.385, "text": "The City Clerk's Office also completed a jurisdictional scan of ward budgets in eight large Canadian municipalities that have councils that are structured in a manner that is similar to Calgary's. The results of that analysis has shown that Calgary is currently close to the median for word budget amounts. However, the jurisdictional scan revealed that compared or city differ considerably in the terms of what expenditures are including. Essentially, what I am saying here is no municipality is exactly the same as Calgary. So as you're looking at those jurisdictional scans, certainly consider them, but just know that each municipality organizes their word budget slightly differently." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42204.905, "end": 42210.625, "text": "As part of the scanning, we also reviewed counselors' annual word budget spending over the past" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42211.325, "end": 42240.425, "text": "few years. That review demonstrated that each word office annual spending pattern is unique. So every word office has a unique spending pattern, spending amount. That being said, we did notice that, for instance, in 2024, eight wards spent over the 90% of the allocation, some of them up to 99.9% of the allocated budget. And in the year prior, 2023, 10 words spent over 90% of their allocation. So the allocated budget is being used." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42240.745, "end": 42261.005, "text": "Lastly, there is related council direction, as I mentioned, related to Council um Council Compensation Review Committee, and that work will look at the structure of your ward budget. So right now under the bylaw, I am directed to allocate an even budget per ward. Work is continuing on a different track to look at is that structure meeting your needs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42262.365, "end": 42263.345, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42263.985, "end": 42300.385, "text": "So, in terms of the specific recommendation, having considered the contextual information I just highlighted, I am recommending a 20% increase to the word budget in 2027 to support word offices in responding to that growing population in the city of Calgary. Additionally, I am recommending an increase in each year that follows of the budget cycle to account for projected inflation. The numbers are in the table. I won't read them, but as you can see, you're starting off with 373,000 and the 20% increase plus the 1.8 increase would take you to $455,000." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42301.985, "end": 42333.425, "text": "Council, I wanted to share with you that as I started to take on this work and I heard from you that you wanted population and inflation, I looked at those two numbers. Looking at what is being forecasted, this approach would have amounted to a cumulative increase to your word budget by approximately 15%. Then looking at the projected salaries of your assistants, that 15% of growth limited to inflation and population in year four would not allow you to increase your staffing complement in 2027." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42334.105, "end": 42349.525, "text": "Um lastly, I want to let you know that the recommendations including a 9.6 increase to the Office of the Counselor's budget in 2027 with additional annual inflationary increases as well as an increase of $133,000 for the Council services budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42350.485, "end": 42351.825, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42354.145, "end": 42391.945, "text": "Simply a demonstration in terms of how your word budgets have been growing with respect to population growth. So this is the chart represents the amount allocated for each counselor's word budget from 2017 alongside Calgary's estimated growth. As you can see, the word budget amount remained relatively consistent from 2017 to 2023 as we began to see that faster population growth in Calgary. The increase adopted by council for 2024 addressed some of the growth as we saw in the years prior that we continue to see today. While the intent of this recommendation is to address some of that continued growth and the survey feedback that I heard from you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42393.085, "end": 42394.005, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42395.025, "end": 42400.005, "text": "Again, we are back to the recommendations and I would be happy to address any questions that you have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42400.565, "end": 42401.445, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42402.205, "end": 42404.045, "text": "All right, uh Councilor Shabot on this, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42406.565, "end": 42407.525, "text": "Uh thank you, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42408.805, "end": 42410.305, "text": "Ms. Martin, for the report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42410.465, "end": 42411.085, "text": "The um the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42411.625, "end": 42412.485, "text": "ward budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42412.785, "end": 42416.165, "text": "Um it's still a requirement to disclose or is that voluntary?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42416.865, "end": 42422.365, "text": "There is a requirement to disclose against the word budget within the councillor's budgets and expenses bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42422.565, "end": 42423.705, "text": "And any" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42424.365, "end": 42427.165, "text": "um variance at the end of the year if there's a surplus." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42427.565, "end": 42428.925, "text": "Do you know what happens to that surplus?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42429.025, "end": 42433.725, "text": "It goes into the Fiscal Stability Reserve Fund and that is outlined within the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42434.005, "end": 42436.085, "text": "So either way, if we don't spend it," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42436.545, "end": 42438.625, "text": "it stays within the city's budget. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42439.045, "end": 42441.685, "text": "we only spend what we need and we report it accordingly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42442.105, "end": 42444.245, "text": "So this isn't necessarily an approval" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42444.785, "end": 42447.065, "text": "for the expenditure, but rather the ability" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42447.385, "end": 42451.325, "text": "to expend more should you need more, as some wards do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42451.645, "end": 42454.005, "text": "For me this is pretty straightforward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42454.385, "end": 42456.425, "text": "Um I try and keep my expenses low and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42456.825, "end": 42458.905, "text": "I know other wards have more challenging" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42459.385, "end": 42462.825, "text": "uh requirements and require additional resources to support them. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 42463.405, "end": 42466.145, "text": "happy to allow them to serve their citizens, so I'll support this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42467.705, "end": 42469.105, "text": "Thank you. Counselor McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42470.205, "end": 42471.865, "text": "I was going to go read it to some debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42472.265, "end": 42472.945, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42474.625, "end": 42482.185, "text": "because they asked me this question at discrum at uh at lunchtime. And the Herald was nice enough to print some of my words, so I'm just gonna read them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42482.665, "end": 42487.625, "text": "I said that I'm opposed to the increase, arguing it would be hypocritical for local elected officials" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42487.985, "end": 42493.965, "text": "to seek funding reductions in some departments while simultaneously voting to increase their own office budgets." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42494.665, "end": 42496.425, "text": "I said there's nothing wrong with the hard work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42496.825, "end": 42501.165, "text": "That's what we get elected to do. Yes, there's more people in our wards, but I would suggest hiring" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42502.105, "end": 42504.145, "text": "good staff and working extra hard." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42504.785, "end": 42510.225, "text": "I also said I'm not here to criticize other ward offices on what you spend your money on, but I think it's incumbent on us" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42510.665, "end": 42515.825, "text": "as elected officials to work within our means and to treat the taxpayers' dollars very seriously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42515.985, "end": 42517.065, "text": "And I stand by that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42517.265, "end": 42519.205, "text": "This is we're just talking budget about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42519.985, "end": 42520.485, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42520.945, "end": 42526.205, "text": "Maybe finding savings and maybe not where to spend, and now we're saying, hey, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42526.345, "end": 42527.485, "text": "fund our offices." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42527.945, "end": 42529.605, "text": "I think that's an unacceptable message." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42530.005, "end": 42531.005, "text": "On the second point," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42531.985, "end": 42534.505, "text": "$133,000 extra, that's a lot of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42534.905, "end": 42537.565, "text": "money. And to suggest some offices deserve it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42537.845, "end": 42540.725, "text": "more than others is ridiculous." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42540.925, "end": 42544.485, "text": "I know some of us that have wards that are out in the suburbs in the growth areas," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42544.925, "end": 42551.185, "text": "we have a lot to do with a lot of growth applications. We still have just as many community events to suggest that some need more than others." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42551.825, "end": 42559.645, "text": "I reject that fully. We all work hard. Let's just do what make do with what we have. This is setting a bad example. It's a lot of money." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42560.005, "end": 42560.545, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42561.065, "end": 42561.385, "text": "yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 42561.645, "end": 42565.285, "text": "So again, you can go to calgaherald.com if you want to read my comments. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42568.705, "end": 42569.125, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42569.805, "end": 42571.105, "text": "this meeting can't end." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42571.905, "end": 42574.005, "text": "Alright, Councilor Johnston, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 42576.265, "end": 42578.505, "text": "Sir I I didn't get a chance to read the bylaw," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 42578.965, "end": 42583.565, "text": "but it basically says the money goes back to the FSR. There's no way to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 42584.305, "end": 42592.385, "text": "reallocate that to other wards if we don't use it. Is there a way to change the bylaw so that we don't have to increase it? Because you said last" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 42593.385, "end": 42596.245, "text": "sorry the the last term it was only 10" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 42596.765, "end": 42599.005, "text": "offices that hit the 90%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 42600.185, "end": 42600.685, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42601.885, "end": 42647.045, "text": "I'll maybe I'll answer your first question. Um, Councilor Johnston, with respect to the FSR. So I don't know if I can get to the specific provision for you, but the short answer is the bylaw as it's written right now. Oh, I found it. So section 24 of the bylaw provides that all surpluses at year end from ward budgets must be transferred to the fiscal stability reserve. So the existing bylaw, there's no flexibility, it is a must. That being said, this is a bylaw for City of Calgary Council. So any member of council um could propose an amendment to that bylaw to redirect the money should they wish to do so. But under the current rules, that's not possible. Um, with respect to your second question, in terms of how the money was spent, looking at the data, again, no" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42647.385, "end": 42660.065, "text": "No year was exactly the same and there wasn't a consistent pattern. Um but looking at the data, I do know that again I've I've lost it now. Um I do know that some wards" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42661.505, "end": 42676.885, "text": "Here it is. Okay, so in 2021, which was again an election year, we had four wards that spent over 90%. In 2022, seven wards spent over 90%. 2023, 10 wards, 2024, 8 wards, 2025, 10 wards." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 42678.505, "end": 42680.945, "text": "Good to know. Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 42680.985, "end": 42681.585, "text": "You're welcome." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42683.545, "end": 42693.185, "text": "I just want to jump in with information for Councillor Johnston. Uh uh when I was uh city councilor, I had the ability to share expenses with other ward offices, so there was some" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42693.905, "end": 42697.025, "text": "I think there is equipment that we shared purchasing in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42697.545, "end": 42702.085, "text": "Uh there were some other shared expenses for various services. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42702.385, "end": 42707.945, "text": "my my understanding, unless it's a relatively recent change, is you have the ability to pay for things for other wards if if you wanted to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42708.525, "end": 42709.485, "text": "Yeah, Counselor Johnson?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 42710.205, "end": 42711.505, "text": "Are we allowed to share" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 42711.745, "end": 42712.645, "text": "office staff?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42713.985, "end": 42718.305, "text": "Yep, you have the ability to um I believe they're separate contracts. So somebody," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42718.785, "end": 42724.065, "text": "like say an assistant, could work at.5 FTA for one ward and.5 FTE for the other ward. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42724.405, "end": 42725.665, "text": "if the understanding is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42726.485, "end": 42729.045, "text": "uh obviously don't want to get too much into HR issues, but I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42729.385, "end": 42731.265, "text": "I've seen that arrangement work previously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 42730.665, "end": 42730.785, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 42731.485, "end": 42732.305, "text": "Perfect. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42733.785, "end": 42734.905, "text": "Uh Counselor Weinus, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42735.725, "end": 42736.245, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42736.505, "end": 42739.445, "text": "Um I think this would be interesting to play out into budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42739.645, "end": 42745.185, "text": "Uh I think by getting an extra staffer in our offices, we might be able to save admins some" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42745.625, "end": 42749.605, "text": "hours in their day at council meetings because more work could be done behind the scenes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42749.945, "end": 42752.205, "text": "If you look at how long we're spending in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42752.385, "end": 42755.225, "text": "chambers and how long we're dealing with constituents, if we can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42755.545, "end": 42758.885, "text": "be able to better engage with community before we go into planning votes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42759.285, "end": 42759.585, "text": "or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42759.825, "end": 42760.825, "text": "bylaw changes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42761.185, "end": 42764.025, "text": "We might might not spend a week in here. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42764.385, "end": 42769.365, "text": "I think it'd be good to for us to explore this before we just shut it down, thinking we're saving money" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42769.665, "end": 42772.665, "text": "despite our face. And it's also cheaper than adding" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42773.065, "end": 42778.905, "text": "two or four more counselors' offices. So if you're going to do renovations and stand up adding to the capacity of this council," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42779.165, "end": 42781.785, "text": "we won't be saving on time debating issues and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42782.065, "end": 42783.325, "text": "we won't be saving on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 42783.605, "end": 42786.665, "text": "Anything if you continue to add more counselors into this equation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42789.065, "end": 42790.665, "text": "Alright, uh Councilor Clark, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 42791.225, "end": 42792.525, "text": "Yeah, thank you. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 42793.025, "end": 42865.745, "text": "I was also asked about this by the press, and I thought the same thing as essentially what Councillor Weinus had said here. I mean, the opportunity to have more staff. I've and when I make the statements about Ward 9, there's these are certainly not comparative to other wards, but 17 community associations, legacy neighborhoods. Uh the request for more support had that has been made very loud and clear. And so the opportunity to have access to additional staffing would be quite wonderful. To Councillor Chabot's point, this is this is not the uh opportunity to spend this additional money, uh, or you know, that we have to spend it, or and that it's gone. I mean, this is the capacity. Uh it's an increase in capacity, which I welcome. Uh, again, representing over 100,000 people, that's the size of Red Deer. And that municipality runs on eight city councillors. Uh, I mean, it's massive. So it's a massive undertaking. Would greatly appreciate the opportunity. And to some of the other comments that have been made, I'll just for the nobody that's listening, but perhaps the press tomorrow, uh, please remember that we've also already increased our furniture budgets and our snack budgets. And so perhaps in addition of staff wouldn't be a bad thing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 42866.085, "end": 42867.085, "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42867.785, "end": 42869.305, "text": "Alright, Councilor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 42871.065, "end": 42949.365, "text": "Uh so yeah, just want to read you something from the ward boundary uh commission's report that was reported on in the Calgary Herald on January 19, 2024. Recommendation number five that administration prepare ward budget structure options for council's consideration to respond to unique resource requirements among wards while maintaining a base budget allocation per ward with input from council and their offices. That is based on individual counselors face distinctive challenges in the areas of the city they represent. While all wards have roughly similar populations, differences in demographics and policy needs can shape demands on a counselor and their office staff. Demands on counselors' time and office resources may be shaped by several factors, including but not limited to number of community associations, the pace and character of local development, committee assignments, population demographics, business, commercial, and industrial activities, local social issues like homelessness and addictions, and major infrastructure projects. Calgary's open access data resources and dashboards such as the 311 dashboard, development permits open data set, and ward profiles database provide useful insights on the variants from ward to ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 42950.725, "end": 42961.065, "text": "This is not necessarily saying that everybody needs to spend this amount. And I really appreciate Counselor Chabot's statement there that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 42961.785, "end": 42991.305, "text": "counselors should spend what they need to to make the work within their offices happen. But there is different levels of work from different offices required. I have 20 community associations. Not to pick on Counselor Yule, but I'll pick on Counselor Yule. He doesn't have 20 community associations. We've had that conversation before. And I don't mean that as a bad thing. He should get more. And hopefully, maybe if he maybe he actually gets a staff to help organize and create those." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 42991.945, "end": 43030.145, "text": "Those pieces within community, if that's what his ward needs, then that's what his ward needs. And I think that giving more autonomy to every office to be able to do the work that they need to do, or if they don't need to do that work, to hand that money over to the FSR is is a good way that we can all make sure that our local priorities within our wards are being met while still making sure that we all come out ahead at the end of the day. So yeah, happy to support this recommendation. Thank you to the Ward Boundary Commission for doing the report. That work is uh super, super important to have that objective point of view, and thanks to the city clerk for uh bringing this recommendation forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43031.105, "end": 43034.365, "text": "Alright, is there any objection to us finishing this item before we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43034.885, "end": 43036.405, "text": "start our uh recess?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43037.145, "end": 43039.925, "text": "Seeing no objection. Uh Councillor Yule, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 43040.505, "end": 43073.565, "text": "Yeah, I probably should respond to that. But I agree. I don't have as as many needs as uh a Ward 7 does, and so happy to support uh the wards that need extra help. I would say my my area, Ward 3, is about the population size of Airdrie and Madison Hat. Um whereas you know there's much larger uh Ward 7's probably more like Lethbridge. Uh and and we've heard uh you know ward nine is like Red Deer. So definitely want to support uh all counselors to get the resources they need to support their wards." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43076.125, "end": 43077.165, "text": "Councillor Jameson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 43080.705, "end": 43081.425, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 43081.645, "end": 43082.465, "text": "Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 43083.545, "end": 43088.165, "text": "I recognize that hey, Calgary is growing. All of our wards are larger." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 43088.665, "end": 43095.945, "text": "I think our offices are handling the inquiries and complex issues very well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 43096.785, "end": 43119.385, "text": "I just really want to take this time to give a shout out to my team. Um in Ward 12. Uh we have uh now the largest ward in population and one of the fastest growing. Uh my team handles an enormous volume of constituent work and they do it exceptionally well. We are busy, but we manage. And that's the point. I think that that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 43119.705, "end": 43127.085, "text": "We're asking administration to find cost savings and and cuts and all that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 43127.485, "end": 43137.045, "text": "And I think it's a little bit hypocritical for us to be asking that of you, but not be willing to manage our own offices the same way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 43137.465, "end": 43139.645, "text": "So that's all I have to say. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43142.485, "end": 43147.465, "text": "Alright, I don't think this was actually moved. Oops. So uh Councilor Shabot, you want to move the ricks?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43147.805, "end": 43149.565, "text": "Yeah, sorry I don't mean to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43149.985, "end": 43152.805, "text": "give it a second kick at the cat here, so to speak, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43153.325, "end": 43156.365, "text": "but I think it's important to note um a couple of things. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43156.845, "end": 43160.705, "text": "um as you all know, I've been around for a lot of years" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43160.845, "end": 43161.925, "text": "at this job and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43162.185, "end": 43197.085, "text": "What I've learned over the course of that year is that uh several wards do have a much higher amount of work and and community engagement, specifically ward seven and ward eight. The amount of phone calls that they get, the amount of 311 requests, just look at the 311 requests. They get like double what any other ward gets insofar as the number of inquiries and complaints that they receive from citizens. While I appreciate that everyone is doing the best that they can with the funds that they have currently and and are making due kudos to those wards." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43197.445, "end": 43227.725, "text": "But I don't think it's fair that we should um limit the ability for those counselors that have a significant number of more phone calls and more social uh issues um to deal with, as well as development issues that that many of our wards are very stable in nature. They are not in a constant flux of redevelopment, such as Ward 7 and Ward 8. So for me, it's primarily for Ward 7 and 8." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43228.125, "end": 43235.485, "text": "And while I appreciate that ward four is also going through significant transitions, it's they're not the only ones." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43236.765, "end": 43248.385, "text": "There are other wards. And again, things are becoming more and more complex. We need uh greater expertise in so far as responding to citizens' concerns. And at the end of the day," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43248.665, "end": 43250.965, "text": "you know what? If you overspend" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43251.465, "end": 43260.145, "text": "The media will make sure that it's recorded. If you have a good response as to why you're spending the amount of money that you that you are spending," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43260.525, "end": 43264.445, "text": "then you should have no problems defending it, as several wards can." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43264.885, "end": 43267.605, "text": "So for me, I don't need to spend as much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43267.805, "end": 43280.245, "text": "But albeit that things are getting more complex, but I don't have as much redevelopment occurring in my ward or as me as many complaints, 311 complaints. So for me, I'm likely not going to use any of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43280.505, "end": 43283.825, "text": "It's gonna stay in FSR to be utilized for other purposes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43284.345, "end": 43286.765, "text": "If you don't need it, don't spend it. Simple." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43287.605, "end": 43289.365, "text": "I hope everyone can support this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43290.425, "end": 43293.425, "text": "All right, seconded by Councilor Panasotless. Uh Councilor Schmidt, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43294.325, "end": 43294.825, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43295.685, "end": 43299.705, "text": "thank you, Councillor Chabot, for recognizing that. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43300.525, "end": 43316.045, "text": "I think just for context, 17 community associations, five BIAs, and to Counselor Chabot's point, a full-time planner on staff because of the number of development applications that come at every public hearing. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43316.885, "end": 43317.785, "text": "something that," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43318.505, "end": 43319.165, "text": "you know, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43319.805, "end": 43321.585, "text": "is interesting to watch is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43322.105, "end": 43322.945, "text": "sort of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43325.465, "end": 43334.985, "text": "the appreciation others have to say, oh, I'm getting a land use application in my ward. If I have fewer than seven, I'm usually pretty happy about that. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43335.465, "end": 43338.565, "text": "they're especially in an established area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43339.145, "end": 43339.945, "text": "One" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43340.785, "end": 43342.325, "text": "row house application" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43343.525, "end": 43353.845, "text": "sometimes means four meetings, five meetings, because you're talking to residents, you're talking to the developer, you're bringing them together and listening" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43354.345, "end": 43356.385, "text": "to the concerns from both sides." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43358.305, "end": 43367.265, "text": "Between those 22 organizations, that's typically a monthly meeting, which means either myself or my staff on 22 evenings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43368.185, "end": 43375.125, "text": "Come you know, cumulatively in the month that you are out and meeting with them about all these other issues" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43375.345, "end": 43381.785, "text": "and the public safety issues being along major transit lines and transit stations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43382.665, "end": 43388.625, "text": "Um we are stretched thin and with four staff already. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43389.345, "end": 43409.245, "text": "If one of us goes on holidays, it is a struggle. So I appreciate that all wards have issues that are unique to them and cause difficulties. I don't appreciate the argument saying, well, you just got to work hard. We're at full bore all the time. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43409.445, "end": 43435.265, "text": "I I again I appreciate that there was recognition that there are differences in the wards. And um, you know, I would gladly trade off some of those seven land use applications that come every public hearing if anybody wants to work a bit harder. So um it's not to say I'm working harder than everybody else, it's just that my staff are going full out all the time. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 43436.445, "end": 43460.825, "text": "For the expectation that they are working more than eight hours a day every day as well. So um that's that's why I'll be in support of this. And uh and uh I think that eventually all wards are going to face these same issues as the city begins to grow. So uh thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43461.665, "end": 43462.565, "text": "Deputy Mayor, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 43464.385, "end": 43465.545, "text": "Yeah, just wanted to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 43465.905, "end": 43508.845, "text": "Jump in quick and say thank you to everyone for the debate on this one. I was initially planning on voting no. I'm fine in my office. I'm I'm pretty happy with my budget. We can get everything done we need to, you know, sure several hundred emails a day and uh all the same things that you know most everyone has. But um no, I think that uh it's uh it's important to recognize, and I was uh swayed by uh the debate, or I get I guess specifically the pre debate of uh uh counselors Clark and Atkinson and uh and Chabot in the open. Uh we don't have to spend all the money, but this gives those who uh need an extra staff person the opportunity to hire a staff person to be able to get it done. So uh yeah, debate changed my mind here today, so I'll be supporting it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43513.005, "end": 43515.685, "text": "All right, uh I will jump in. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43516.785, "end": 43524.765, "text": "had an open mind to this one. I certainly understand the challenges having been a member of City Council or City Councilor rather uh in my previous life." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43525.485, "end": 43527.685, "text": "Uh I will argue in favor of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43528.265, "end": 43534.925, "text": "I won't say that the workloads are more or less uh for a given ward, because I think a lot of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43535.585, "end": 43539.725, "text": "demands on your time will be the various committees. Um like for example," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43540.225, "end": 43543.525, "text": "police commission I would say is probably one of the more onerous commitments and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43543.785, "end": 43549.885, "text": "That probably doubles the amount of population that you have to answer to that commitment uh or that appointment alone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43550.465, "end": 43553.305, "text": "Uh certainly uh having represented, I believe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43553.605, "end": 43567.165, "text": "at uh its most Ward 11 had 33 different community associations, not to mention the the sports and rec groups that uh I represented. Extremely challenging to be able to provide even say silent auction items, sponsorships. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43567.485, "end": 43570.205, "text": "Ward Community Event Fund is a big piece. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43570.705, "end": 43578.645, "text": "I would be willing to support some level of increase, but I would be more comfortable with along the lines of what Councillor Wynus was advocating for, where" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43579.005, "end": 43581.645, "text": "there's a bit more of a direct line of sight" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43582.105, "end": 43587.585, "text": "to that increase to the level of benefit that the community receives. I feel like that's more transparent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43588.145, "end": 43589.805, "text": "I'll put my cards on the table. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43590.265, "end": 43597.165, "text": "I've certainly, as the mayor, uh the mayor's office experienced the same population increase um as" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43597.565, "end": 43598.025, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43598.465, "end": 43605.385, "text": "experienced by many of the wards, about 20% in the last four years. I'll be advocating through this budget process for a freeze, uh zero on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43605.685, "end": 43608.125, "text": "My own uh office budgets." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43608.505, "end": 43611.705, "text": "Uh one thing I'll just say, and I don't know if there's a way to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43612.365, "end": 43615.825, "text": "I don't mean un to say this unkind to you colleagues, but I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43616.245, "end": 43616.725, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43617.805, "end": 43621.165, "text": "it's it's challenging for me to hear around this horseshoe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43621.405, "end": 43623.905, "text": "a recognition of the demands on population growth," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43624.225, "end": 43626.305, "text": "the many more constituents that you answer to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43626.765, "end": 43628.285, "text": "Um I don't uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43629.265, "end": 43634.245, "text": "or I I believe all of you, and I believe that you're genuine in that, but I would also ask you to put your shoes and say," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43634.605, "end": 43637.485, "text": "The transit operator's shoes. Put your shoes in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43637.765, "end": 43643.045, "text": "individual who's tasked out there with filling potholes. Think about city administration, right? So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43643.265, "end": 43644.405, "text": "it seems like there's a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43645.085, "end": 43651.185, "text": "not a congruency in terms of the debate where 20% that level of increase is perhaps warrant warranted for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43651.545, "end": 43653.845, "text": "city councillors, but not warranted for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43654.185, "end": 43658.865, "text": "other essential infrastructure, other essential services that are provided by the city. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43659.185, "end": 43662.165, "text": "it feels like there's a bit of a double standard in terms of the things that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43662.325, "end": 43665.025, "text": "Council members can see in terms of your own office budgets" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43665.305, "end": 43668.305, "text": "and what we ask uh city administration to do to deliver." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43668.825, "end": 43671.965, "text": "Bear in mind there's been a 20% increase in population for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43672.405, "end": 43675.065, "text": "all of the other services that we're tasked to deliver. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43675.325, "end": 43681.945, "text": "for me, I I won't be supporting this. I am very warm to the prospect of seeing some increase, especially at least inflation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43682.485, "end": 43711.125, "text": "I am warm to that, but I don't want to see a level of increase to the board budgets that are ultimately end up being a higher percent increase than the overall tax rate that we set. I believe that it's important for us as members of council that we lead by example, and I think it's not just the public that's looking to what that number is. I think it's also uh many of the amazing nearly 20,000 city colleagues that we work with. So again, um I don't begrudge uh any vote in favor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43711.525, "end": 43713.785, "text": "of this 20% increase, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43714.265, "end": 43719.465, "text": "I would ask uh just in good faith and in sincere kindness to all of you colleagues, be be fair to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43719.725, "end": 43722.525, "text": "The our city colleagues who are being tasked and asked with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43722.765, "end": 43723.565, "text": "with doing more" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43723.905, "end": 43725.925, "text": "with the same or even more with less" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43726.225, "end": 43730.345, "text": "in spite of the fact that they've seen the same level of increases in population that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43730.765, "end": 43731.485, "text": "all of you have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43731.765, "end": 43733.685, "text": "So you're receiving calls from constituents." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43734.125, "end": 43738.645, "text": "City officials and 311 are receiving just as much of an increase in calls. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43739.165, "end": 43742.845, "text": "uh that's my position on that. Um I won't be supporting this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43743.225, "end": 43749.185, "text": "Come budget time, it could be a possible area for amendment, and I might be willing to support a lower number than that, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43749.785, "end": 43752.605, "text": "Whatever the percentage increase is to the tax rate," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43752.845, "end": 43756.705, "text": "I don't think the ward budget can be uh receiving an even bigger increase" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43756.925, "end": 43759.105, "text": "than what ultimately we land on for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43759.945, "end": 43762.065, "text": "So Councillor Chabot, uh please to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43764.005, "end": 43766.385, "text": "Yes, thank you to uh members of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43767.085, "end": 43770.745, "text": "of council for that debate. And uh as the mayor just pointed out," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43771.085, "end": 43777.545, "text": "uh this is just setting the stage. This is not approving a budget increase at this point. And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43777.705, "end": 43781.285, "text": "it's nice to have something in the budget that you can you can envision cutting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43782.285, "end": 43783.365, "text": "at budget time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43783.885, "end": 43794.485, "text": "Um so uh you know what I don't know that necessarily 20 percent is the right number. Maybe we can have that discussion between now and then with those with those wards that that uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43794.885, "end": 43808.465, "text": "require more resources to respond to the citizens of Calgary. Ultimately, um my objective here is to try and be uh the best that we can be for our citizens because there's different demands in different parts of the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43808.985, "end": 43809.845, "text": "Uh and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43810.485, "end": 43812.265, "text": "and at the end of the day, we he" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43812.565, "end": 43815.825, "text": "we will be scrutinized over our budget. I I can say that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43816.025, "end": 43820.165, "text": "I prided myself for many years of having the lowest budget of all the counselors in the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43820.545, "end": 43834.025, "text": "Um and then then I got beat by other counselors because they had less work. So I'm not sure that it's necessarily a good thing to be able to say I had the lowest budget. It just kind of s suggests that you had less work. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43834.305, "end": 43835.765, "text": "uh anyways, having said that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43836.165, "end": 43873.825, "text": "You know what? Spend what you think is necessary to serve your citizens. And if you need to spend more to satisfy your citizens, you do it. If you don't, leave it in the coffers for us to utilize for other municipal purposes. Like I said previously, there's no amount of money that we can put into our budget that we can't find a home for because we have a huge infrastructure deficit and any money that's left in FSR, we most certainly can find a good home for that money for municipal purposes, for municipal needs. So for me, I have no problem supporting this as is, uh, because I think it's been" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43874.845, "end": 43879.565, "text": "Severely needed for many years. And the alternative, of course, is to amend the bylaw to allow us" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43879.745, "end": 43884.925, "text": "to transfer funds from one ward to another, which may be another alternative that we can consider between now and budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43885.265, "end": 43887.445, "text": "Uh make maybe make some further amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43887.665, "end": 43889.225, "text": "Because right now there isn't a provision" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43889.445, "end": 43891.925, "text": "to transfer funds from one ward budget to another." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43892.565, "end": 43899.925, "text": "There may be enough money in the entire budget to satisfy all the needs for all the wards, but there are certainly some wards that need more" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43900.265, "end": 43903.185, "text": "resources to satisfy the needs of citizens. So for me," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43903.945, "end": 43904.665, "text": "happy to support." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 43904.945, "end": 43905.405, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43906.225, "end": 43908.605, "text": "All right, let's engage the vote on that, please, Madam Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 43919.825, "end": 43921.045, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43921.765, "end": 43923.145, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43926.665, "end": 43930.005, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 9 to 6 with Councillors Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43930.265, "end": 43933.305, "text": "Johnston, McLean, Tyres, Jameson, myself opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 43933.745, "end": 43935.945, "text": "All right, we will see you tomorrow at 9 30 a.m." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 45160.105, "end": 45161.545, "text": "Life's on you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 45162.385, "end": 45163.485, "text": "Music's on us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 45164.425, "end": 45165.625, "text": "Stingray music." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 48771.485, "end": 48772.325, "text": "You're listening" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 48772.585, "end": 48774.165, "text": "to the easy listening channel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 48775.365, "end": 48776.625, "text": "On Stingray Music." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 52972.525, "end": 52974.185, "text": "The Easy Listening Channel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 52974.905, "end": 52976.185, "text": "On Stingray Music." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 56164.125, "end": 56168.365, "text": "This is the Easy Listening Channel on Stingray Music." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 60136.685, "end": 60137.505, "text": "You're listening" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 60137.785, "end": 60139.345, "text": "to the Easy Listening Channel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 60139.885, "end": 60141.145, "text": "On Stingray Music." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 63888.685, "end": 63889.445, "text": "Music" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 63889.685, "end": 63890.545, "text": "everywhere." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 63891.705, "end": 63892.945, "text": "Stingray Music." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 67311.445, "end": 67312.785, "text": "All right, welcome back to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 67313.365, "end": 67314.625, "text": "Calgary City Council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 67315.085, "end": 67316.105, "text": "Madam Clerk, please call the roll." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67316.645, "end": 67318.905, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67319.545, "end": 67321.005, "text": "Councillor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67321.625, "end": 67322.725, "text": "Counselor Chabot," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 67323.785, "end": 67324.065, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67324.325, "end": 67325.545, "text": "Councillor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67326.265, "end": 67327.305, "text": "Counselor Dollywall," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67329.865, "end": 67331.005, "text": "Counselor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67331.665, "end": 67332.885, "text": "Counselor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 67332.905, "end": 67333.105, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67333.365, "end": 67334.325, "text": "Councillor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 67334.585, "end": 67334.885, "text": "President." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67335.025, "end": 67335.965, "text": "Councillor McLean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 67337.225, "end": 67337.585, "text": "President." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67337.785, "end": 67339.325, "text": "Councillor Pentezopoulos," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67339.605, "end": 67340.565, "text": "Councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67341.265, "end": 67342.465, "text": "Councillor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67343.165, "end": 67344.165, "text": "Councillor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67344.665, "end": 67345.805, "text": "Councillor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67345.985, "end": 67347.145, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 67347.625, "end": 67347.845, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 67347.945, "end": 67348.405, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 67349.605, "end": 67355.605, "text": "Alright, I believe we left off on 9.3.4, safer together implementation plan" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 67355.765, "end": 67357.025, "text": "or implementation update." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67368.925, "end": 67384.505, "text": "Good morning. My name is Ashley Wedderburn. I'm the manager of Community Safety Strategies. With me today is Aaron Sperontas Altamirano, Director of Community Strategies, and Kay Choi, Director of Partnerships and the Public Safety Lead at the City. I do have a presentation if you'd like, or we can go to questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 67385.105, "end": 67388.145, "text": "I think we'd benefit from the presentation. Please proceed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67388.785, "end": 67409.545, "text": "So today we are pleased to provide an implementation update for Safer Together, a community safety and wellbeing plan for Calgary, including key city initiatives, performance measures, and budget details. This work builds on significant efforts already underway across the city and provides a clear picture of what Council and Calgarians can expect from Safer Together in the next four years. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67410.985, "end": 67448.485, "text": "On May 26th, Council approved Safe Together with amendments and directed that City Administration engage with Calgary Police Commission and report back by Q1 of 2027. Report back to Council with implementation details no later than July 2026. Report back to Council annually on the implementation and key performance measures starting in Q2 2027. Before we turn to today's focus on the implementation details, I'm pleased to report that we have had an initial meeting with the executive director of the Calgary Police Commission, advancing our progress on engagement with this key partner as directed by counsel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67448.825, "end": 67449.945, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67453.085, "end": 67478.765, "text": "The Safer Together Action Plan you see today is a living document, and we continue we will continue to provide opportunities for your feedback and to adjust to address emerging issues in the coming years. Decisions on the investment levels for Safer Together will happen as part of the 2027 2030 business plan and budget process. Today our recommendation is that you receive this report and the attachment for information and the corporate record. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67482.365, "end": 67517.645, "text": "Safer Together is a citywide framework that sets a shared vision, priorities, and actions to improve safety and well-being for all Calgaryans. Before we dive into implementation details, a reminder of the outcomes we are working to achieve, to create communities where everyone belongs, to enhance safety where people live, work, and play, to build supports for well being, to meet housing needs, and to foster financial security. We have organized our action plan by these five priorities to keep us grounded in what Calgaryans need and expect, to be safe and feel safe in their city. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67519.685, "end": 67543.185, "text": "This report provides implementation details including key city deliverables that advance Safer Together's priorities, including initiatives that do not require additional funding and opportunities requiring investment, a scalable investment approach that provides council with choice about pace, reach, and impact, and performance and community indicators to track progress towards our safety and well being outcomes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67543.725, "end": 67549.665, "text": "I will explore each element of the action plan in more detail in the next few slides. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67551.365, "end": 67564.765, "text": "Safer safety matters to everyone in Calgary, but it looks different for all of us. Our action plan focuses on the priorities that have impact, including work already underway as well as new or scaled initiatives that would require additional investments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67565.005, "end": 67570.425, "text": "They are organized by the five Safer Together priorities and advance the 15 collaborative actions of the plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67571.005, "end": 67585.405, "text": "Examples include existing work such as safety hubs, action table Calgary, and community events, alongside opportunities to expand work in public spaces, including additional space activations, transit station improvements, and coordinated encampment cleanups." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67585.605, "end": 67597.025, "text": "The action plan also identifies the implementation supports needed to move this work, including dashboard and reporting mechanism, advisory committee evolution, and deeper engagement with community and partners." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67597.785, "end": 67613.225, "text": "The value of this approach is not that every activity is new. The value is that existing and proposed work is being organized around shared outcomes, measurable indicators, clearer city deliverables, and coordinated approach to implementation over the next four years. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67615.325, "end": 67649.965, "text": "To deliver on the action plan and the outcomes in Safe Together, investment is needed. Administration has developed a scalable investment approach that can be adjusted based on council's direction through the 2027 to 2030 budget process. These investments are intended to work together as a package across the spectrum of social development, prevention, risk intervention, and incident response. They are not presented as isolated initiatives because the impact comes from how they reinforce one another across city services, public spaces, community programming, safety responses, and prevention." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67650.985, "end": 67661.965, "text": "Lower investment levels are expected to result in slower progress and reduced reach, while higher investment levels would support broader implementation and more visible progress towards safety and wellbeing outcomes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67662.685, "end": 67663.765, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67665.425, "end": 67677.325, "text": "The final piece is measurement and reporting. The action plan includes city performance indicators to track city actions and services, and community indicators to monitor broader population level trends in safety and well being." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67677.885, "end": 67707.465, "text": "These measures will drive continuous improvement in active decision making so that we are making the most of out of our time and resources to maximize benefits of Calgarians. The slide shows a concept design for a public dashboard. We are building on existing data and tools such as the monthly community safety and wellbeing report that you all already receive. The intent is to provide clear and consistent reporting to Council and Calgarians, supported by annual reporting beginning in Q2 2027. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67710.145, "end": 67741.665, "text": "Looking ahead, the immediate focus is on establishing the foundations for implementation. In 2026, administration will continue engagement, advance dashboard development, and support council's budget decisions. In 2027, administration will begin actioning approved investments, provide the first annual report, and report back on engagement as directed. Over the longer term, the focus will be on measuring, monitoring, and evaluating progress, annual reporting, continuous improvement, and responding to the emerging needs in our community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67742.825, "end": 67765.025, "text": "A critical component of this work will continue to be effective collaboration with community partners, including Calgary Police Commission, Calgary Police Service, and community organizations. Through implementation, administration will build on existing relationships, improve alignment, reduce duplication where possible, and address gaps in representation or coordination. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67767.865, "end": 67803.285, "text": "In closing, today's report provides the implementation framework needed to advance Safer Together over the next four years. It identifies what actions we will take, how we will measure our progress, and what investment is required over the next four years. Together, these components provide a practical roadmap for implementation while maintaining flexibility for emerging issues and future budget decisions. We look forward to working with council, community partners, and Calgarians to advance a Calgary where everyone feels safe, connected, supported, and that they truly belong. Thank you, and we're available to take questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 67803.945, "end": 67805.345, "text": "Alright, uh, Councilor Winefra." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67806.265, "end": 67821.265, "text": "Thanks. With the recommendation of for the corporate record, yet there's three budget options in here. When is council expected to actually make the budget uh choice option, given we just spent all day talking about budget without having given you guys this directive?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67822.205, "end": 67826.065, "text": "So budget decisions will be made in November as part of the budget pass." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67826.065, "end": 67830.765, "text": "You've provided a slide that says I can choose a pretty much A, B, or C." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67831.385, "end": 67838.205, "text": "And so we have a budget package at admin that should have had a decision made between A, B, and C before we are." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67838.465, "end": 67844.205, "text": "Messing around with what our tax increases. When is that decision happening? And it shouldn't be happening in November." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 67846.585, "end": 67868.705, "text": "I appreciate your comment about when it shouldn't be happening. What I can describe to you is that the materials that we were working with yesterday were, as uh to quote our chief financial officer, an unconstrained view. So uh we described what the the full cost would be. That's the number that's on the far left of your um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 67869.425, "end": 67873.405, "text": "the the slide that uh presented sort of three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 67874.285, "end": 67876.105, "text": "Yes, fully invest the full investment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67876.105, "end": 67877.765, "text": "So this is I think what's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67877.945, "end": 67881.025, "text": "gonna grind my gears as someone in government that has to govern." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67881.465, "end": 67884.005, "text": "Is I shouldn't be seeing a three option slide" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67884.225, "end": 67885.865, "text": "on budget decisions" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67886.265, "end": 67895.585, "text": "on a budget package that needs decisions made for it. And I'm starting to see this across a lot of business units, and we really do need to have these through choice made by council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67895.905, "end": 67898.725, "text": "Before we're debating on what our tax increase is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67900.005, "end": 67903.085, "text": "Because while I appreciate your showing us what the full thing is," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67903.385, "end": 67904.885, "text": "I also am questioning" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67905.125, "end": 67910.905, "text": "the overlap of my other departments that safety well being is umbrellaing under your budget" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67911.185, "end": 67911.925, "text": "that are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67912.165, "end": 67921.005, "text": "safety and security officers, firefighters. That is not really a clear path to clarity for Calgarians, taxpayers, and this council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67921.245, "end": 67925.405, "text": "Again, you know I don't like this plan because of the muddiness it creates." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67925.685, "end": 67928.165, "text": "Um, the dashboard that you have," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67928.305, "end": 67933.105, "text": "how will that be different than some of the dashboards that the Calgary police have created?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67934.445, "end": 67958.545, "text": "So it will complement data that the Calgary Police Service have. We do have many different measures both in the plan but also operational data that we currently provide through council, through the community safety and well being kind of monthly updates. So that will be part of the dashboard as well as the measures that you see in the implementation plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67958.545, "end": 67964.165, "text": "What are you gonna tell me what story will I go to this dashboard to find that I can't find on the Calgary police's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 67964.545, "end": 67974.585, "text": "So this is the city activities and implementation. So it will have city reflected data also." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 67974.645, "end": 67978.665, "text": "question? Specifically, what answer am I gonna get out of this dashboard?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 67979.225, "end": 68013.065, "text": "So out of this dashboard, what I would suggest, and sorry, Erin Cervantes Altamirano, Director of Community Strategies, what I would suggest, counselor, is that out of this dashboard, we will be putting all of the metrics together. The intention in here is also work with the Calgary Police Service to be able to inform what is happening in terms of crime, yes, but also across other different metrics of well being, other um how the investments are advancing the different um, and you're shaking your head, yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 68013.065, "end": 68024.825, "text": "You you haven't told me one specific fact that I will find that I can't find on the police one. Um I'm gonna save some time here. Uh I know the recommendation is for the corporate record. I'm voting no on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 68025.225, "end": 68026.185, "text": "Uh the there's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 68026.505, "end": 68028.625, "text": "there's so much that needs clarity in here" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 68028.945, "end": 68033.025, "text": "uh given what we have to address for the budget and the deliverables" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 68033.345, "end": 68037.165, "text": "and the clarity. So yes, at the recommendations for the corporate record, I don't support this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 68039.645, "end": 68041.705, "text": "Thank you. Uh Councilor Penazopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68042.325, "end": 68052.685, "text": "Thanks so much uh for the presentation. A lot of the work that happens through this uh is other organizations, whether it be police or fire and and and a lot. How do you sort of isolate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68053.425, "end": 68062.325, "text": "how these dollars are being spent to outcomes versus spending it somewhere else? So the example of I know one of your metrics is less um traffic accidents or pedestrian." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68062.825, "end": 68070.405, "text": "How do we measure, should we spend, I think it was twenty the twenty eight million here or put it into roads? How do we normalize for these specific investments?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 68071.845, "end": 68110.525, "text": "So there's two parts of the implementation plan. So the implementation plan has the full suite of the community and performance indicators that includes those initiatives that do not need investment and those that we are in the package for future investment. Each initiative that is in the investment package will also have their operational kind of performance measures. So we will be able to track both from like a macro point of view and see the trends that are happening at the community level and then look to individual investments in the package to look at how they're performing against the investment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68112.765, "end": 68125.965, "text": "But it crosses departments and jurisdictions. So how do we know that uh safer together the the $100 invested reduced crime on transit versus another transit operator versus a camera versus uh better lighting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68126.425, "end": 68128.785, "text": "that when transit makes that investment as an example?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 68129.325, "end": 68201.145, "text": "So I think that's why we have both the macro look look and the micro look. I think we can gain different perspective from the community indicator, which obviously has multiple, like you were saying, has multiple different inputs that both we and other organizations are impacting community indicators. We will have performance measures and we do have performance measures that are more specific to an investment or a service. We do work across the organization with different views to understand their data and understand how they're contributing to different pieces of the safety puzzle. It is hard in something like safety to determine exactly what is direct line impacting, especially something like perceptions of safety. But we have different methods of exploring that. So for instance, right now there is a platform survey happening on transit to look at perceptions of safety. So that's one element that we can glean some results from kind of a specific survey, and then match that with some other kind of perception research as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68201.185, "end": 68222.705, "text": "Well that's interesting because that survey was triggered by an eight million dollar budget adjustment to add more safety. So so my fear is how does a councilor Calgarians transit will stand up and say, look what we did. The $8 million supported Safer Transit, but then Safer Together will come and say, look what we did as a result of our investment. So so there's a great example when the metric says people feel safer on transit," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68223.325, "end": 68230.725, "text": "and we've got two budget asks more security on transit, safer together, how do we determine which one was the contributing? We just have to hope or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 68230.725, "end": 68238.125, "text": "No, I think actually that survey they're actually asking more specific questions about what made them feel safe, including the officer presence." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 68238.745, "end": 68286.605, "text": "And what I would say, counselor, one of the pieces in here is that the intent through Safer Together is to actually put all of these metrics together. So the effort here, we work very closely with transit. We are trying to bring together all of these indicators that the city has never put together ones against the other. So that's the effort here. That is going to take some time, but we have been making progress towards getting all of the different indicators that we currently collect across the city that inform safety and well being. We are trying to put them all together into one dashboard and try to assess across the different initiatives what initiatives council is investing on versus what the outcomes are across the quarters of the year. So that's the effort that Safer Together will be driving here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68286.925, "end": 68288.565, "text": "no, thanks for that. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68289.145, "end": 68310.045, "text": "This is sort of the first time that we're consolidating sort of a global look. Have we thought about a little more measured investment? The 28 million out of the gate, that's a lot of FTE, that's a lot of people. Have we thought about starting small, gaining success, learning, sort of pivoting? Is there a fear that we go all in, we make mistakes as we will, and that's okay. And we're already in for a penny?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 68310.045, "end": 68310.305, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68310.305, "end": 68313.245, "text": "How do we pivot uh when we're doing all the investment up front?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 68313.465, "end": 68374.185, "text": "For sure. And we definitely appreciate that. What Safer Together is presenting here, and what the plan, the implementation plan presents, are the initiatives that we have piloted and that we have tested, and that we actually have information about how they work, where they work, and what impacts they may bring to Culgariens as time passes and evolves. One of the pieces that I would say here is that with the package, the way it's designed, there is a minimum viable investment at certain point. If the investment is not made, elements of that drop because there is no way in which we can do 10% of an infrastructural enhancement. There is no way that we can do certain things in certain ways. There are some others, like personnel, that yes, are scalable. But there is a piece of information in the package you got around there will be a minimum investment, at which point we need to start dropping things out of the package." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68374.885, "end": 68394.965, "text": "I I really like the the the KPIs, the accountabilities, and I think it actually has to set the gold standard. You know, we've asked a lot about any department, what are your deliverables, what are your actions. So maybe just but with that, just want to speak a bit about um uh you know some of the the measuring progress. How are they maybe just take a step back? How are they chosen? You know, why," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68395.545, "end": 68409.865, "text": "just as an example, create communities where everybody belongs, game plan is in there, but yet one of the measuring progress has nothing to do with game plan. And then there's one that talks about people feeling safe, and there's no investment in um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68410.085, "end": 68416.745, "text": "Uh preventing pedestrian deaths, but one of the metrics is accidents with pedestrians. So I'm just just trying to understand it. It" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68417.045, "end": 68420.625, "text": "how do we know it's not just sort of a shotgun approach? Have a thousand metrics and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68421.005, "end": 68440.785, "text": "and you'll outperform half of them by and say, look what we did. Just walk through that. It just when it doesn't tie back, like I've always seen I'm gonna spend a dollar on a road and then there's a direct drive, but I've never seen game plan's important, but I have no metric to see if game plan actually mattered, because then why why are you using it as a key deliverable if you don't have an outcome directly connected to it or dollars going to it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 68440.905, "end": 68459.245, "text": "Yeah, I I think I'll start and then we have a colleague here from our data group. I will say part of this is trying to make something manageable. So with all the investments, we were looking for both community and performance indicators as best we could where" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 68459.605, "end": 68461.485, "text": "you would see." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 68462.325, "end": 68524.265, "text": "More than one initiative contributing to either that performance measure or that community indicator. We're all something like Game Plan is maybe a good example because they through their plan also have an evaluation and reporting framework. So, but we can take something like that back and see how we can make sure we're tying those together to say, okay, Game Plan has their own data reporting that they're doing. We will, through our reporting, and this is something we'll take back, is look at how we're tying that existing evaluation and reporting framework back to Safer Together. And again, in a a lot of this was what's manageable as far as just not having like a hundred different measures. We have more measures, I would say. So we're open to look at what would be useful for you as we go through. And I think as we're working on the dashboard, as we're working on the report, we're open to meeting with you and others just to look at how we can reflect that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 68527.045, "end": 68532.965, "text": "We don't have much more to add. Nindy Brah with demographics and evaluation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 68533.145, "end": 68555.905, "text": "We had when we started this process in the development of Safer Together, we engaged with over 20 business units across the corporation, and we had 150 plus performance measures, an inventory about, and we were asking them what are you currently collecting and what do you have on your data agenda for new measures?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 68556.585, "end": 68595.145, "text": "So with that inventory, we had that available. As the plan was developing and the priority areas came to be solidified, we started to identify community indicators and performance measures that would best align. Once the collaborative actions, more recently, the ones that were scalable and were in the document, we then did another alignment exercise to identify which ones would work best. Having said that, in the dashboard, we are going to be sharing multiple performance measures depending on which investments are approved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68596.805, "end": 68600.445, "text": "Perfect. And maybe just finally uh attachment for page one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 68602.225, "end": 68619.645, "text": "I really like this uh because when it comes to budget time, we're actually going to have an opportunity to understand uh you know the art of the possible, whether we want to take it down or level up. So I just really encourage this is something that's very powerful because we can actually see by changing investment levels what we actually want as an outcome. Thank you so much, Mr. Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 68621.265, "end": 68622.825, "text": "All right, uh Councilor McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68623.185, "end": 68623.925, "text": "Uh thanks, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68624.265, "end": 68627.485, "text": "Yeah, thanks for the report. I remember our meeting as of some time ago" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68627.885, "end": 68631.745, "text": "and I expressed some concerns because I totally agree with Counselor Wines that there's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68632.325, "end": 68639.125, "text": "just no tangible, meaningful metric that for people are going to get for twenty, thirty, forty million dollars." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68640.445, "end": 68642.025, "text": "We've got we have so much overlap" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68642.225, "end": 68642.805, "text": "in this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68643.465, "end": 68644.245, "text": "in this uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68644.705, "end": 68651.445, "text": "corporation as it is already. We're going through our budget, we're looking at safety, housing, we've got the apartments for that, belonging, well being." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68652.385, "end": 68656.245, "text": "I don't know, again, we have civic partners and nonprofits that all kind of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68657.085, "end": 68659.085, "text": "occupy that space already. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68659.585, "end": 68662.345, "text": "we've got to go to people in November and say we want to spend," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68663.385, "end": 68667.945, "text": "you know, again, 20, 30, 40 million. That's one, one and a half, two percent tax increase." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68668.405, "end": 68673.925, "text": "on something that I say I could be giving you more cops, I could be filling more potholes, or we could be doing this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68674.725, "end": 68677.345, "text": "For me, if the choice is easy, I can't support this. I'd rather" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68677.805, "end": 68679.025, "text": "spend the money on more" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68679.405, "end": 68686.465, "text": "needs instead of this as a want to me. So again, thanks for your work, but to me this is this overlap and unnecessary spending. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68687.085, "end": 68688.745, "text": "Counselor McLean, can I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68689.025, "end": 68714.985, "text": "Mr. Chair, if I may, I just want to take the opportunity, because the issue has come up a couple of times, to address what can be perceived as a muddiness or an overlap. What I want to acknowledge is that the reason this safety and well-being plan is called Safer Together is because the pursuit of community safety" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68715.365, "end": 68717.125, "text": "and individual safety" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68717.465, "end": 68720.705, "text": "is a multi dimensional pursuit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68721.585, "end": 68730.245, "text": "No one initiative is going to deliver the outcomes that you and we all are looking for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68730.865, "end": 68765.905, "text": "It's for that reason that we have built this integrated plan. And I acknowledge, I'm thinking about Councillor Pantozopoulos' question about who gets to claim the win when the transit platform is safer. Well, frankly, council gets to claim the win. Because whether it is delivered by emergency management and community safety with transit peace officers, whether we're talking about the benefit that accrues to the transit system and the business unit called transit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68766.785, "end": 68767.845, "text": "That is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68769.045, "end": 68780.165, "text": "secondary to the fact that we are coordinating our efforts and our pursuits for safety. So I acknowledge that it can feel muddy and it can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68780.865, "end": 68790.005, "text": "look like overlap. In fact, what Safer Together is doing is coordinating those initiatives so that they don't overlap." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68792.565, "end": 68793.545, "text": "And thanks for that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68794.425, "end": 68799.805, "text": "attempt at clarity, but I didn't make anything clearer for me. Again, it's warm and fuzzy, it feels real nice," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 68800.165, "end": 68805.245, "text": "but it's a lot of money. That's all. So we have to make a decision. Is this are we willing to spend that much money? That's all. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 68806.605, "end": 68809.265, "text": "I'm just gonna step in and say for for colleagues the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 68809.505, "end": 68816.225, "text": "Portion of this item is really for questions for administration and we have an opportunity for debate once the item's been been moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 68817.005, "end": 68818.485, "text": "All right, uh Deputy Mayor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 68820.025, "end": 68821.605, "text": "Thank you, Worship. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 68821.845, "end": 68826.145, "text": "I might have missed it in here. Is there a place where I can see the list of the 34 investments?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 68827.665, "end": 68830.685, "text": "It's referenced in the cover report, but I don't see a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 68831.125, "end": 68831.305, "text": "list." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 68831.305, "end": 68841.165, "text": "So it's in the action plan. It's anywhere that says investment opportunities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 68841.525, "end": 68850.865, "text": "Opportunities requiring investment. It's those pieces. We have rolled some of them up a little bit just to save a little bit of paper. But that's where they are." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 68851.045, "end": 68855.565, "text": "Okay, no, thank you. I appreciate that. I was just looking for a list. That's fair. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 68856.725, "end": 68860.805, "text": "just on the budget side of things. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 68861.525, "end": 68878.285, "text": "When we take a look at each of these packages, the full investment, the partial investment, the minimum investment. I don't think Counselor Winesk covered this earlier, but like when we were when we're taking a look at the the unfettered budget that we have, are these in packages within there?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 68879.165, "end": 68883.765, "text": "I am actually not sure what you saw in the budget package." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 68883.765, "end": 68884.285, "text": "So yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 68884.285, "end": 68887.445, "text": "I will defer to my GM." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68890.325, "end": 68903.025, "text": "There is one initiative in attachment three, attachment two, confidential attachment two that was discussed yesterday that is called uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68903.765, "end": 68915.705, "text": "Safer Together, uh it's item number C065 on page 11 of that document. So that's where the the bundle um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68916.445, "end": 68939.865, "text": "Of budget amounts that uh was on this on the slide shows up. I would acknowledge that Safer Together, so that's the budget initiative. Safer Together is a bigger plan than just a budget initiative. So it absolutely weaves together other uh other investment plans that are or other investment considerations as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 68939.865, "end": 68940.025, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68940.025, "end": 68940.825, "text": "That's the line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 68940.885, "end": 68947.425, "text": "CO65 and confidential attachment two on the budget, that is the full investment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68947.925, "end": 68948.385, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 68948.985, "end": 68966.025, "text": "And do we have a partial investment or a minimum investment? Basically, this is a budget question. How are we going to uh to sort of work Councilor Yass about, how are we going to be able to decide between full investment, partial, and minimum? If right now, as it stands, it's a package together as full." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68967.925, "end": 68971.085, "text": "Two things I would say. Um, first of all," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68971.985, "end": 68975.965, "text": "uh you'll have seen in the slide uh that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68976.265, "end": 68980.325, "text": "Each of those budget options delivers different" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68981.205, "end": 68986.785, "text": "volume of results and then, of course, different outcomes. So that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 68987.325, "end": 68999.605, "text": "the concept answer, and then in terms of when would that discussion take place, I would anticipate that taking place on September 22nd if we proceed with that further discussion for budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 69000.985, "end": 69012.965, "text": "Do we have the because again, like this, I'm just asking about transparency here. I think, and I'm trying not to get into territory Counselor Y Nassau's already covered here, but I'm trying to figure out how we look at partial or minimum when" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 69013.605, "end": 69028.845, "text": "Like it will this be in the I'm trying not to say anything that we can't because it was in closed session, but uh I I understand we're going to be seeing some more detail of each of those funding packages. Is that where we would get that information or is there another method for us to get that info?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 69030.825, "end": 69034.685, "text": "Again, to look specifically at the partial or minimum uh options." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 69035.585, "end": 69042.425, "text": "The partial and minimum options are described in this report in the presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 69043.145, "end": 69054.445, "text": "Yeah, I'm trying to get an idea when we're at like September and November in the budget. How can how can we look at partial or minimum as part of the budget when right now all we have is CO65 as the full?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 69054.605, "end": 69064.505, "text": "So, Councillor Kelly, maybe I can um help out a little bit and I'll ask CFO Tucker to step in here. But many of the investments that you saw yesterday in your package, as we identified, are scalable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 69064.985, "end": 69069.985, "text": "Um, those decisions are being done at the same time so that council can understand" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 69070.525, "end": 69078.905, "text": "what you're getting with the dollars that you're going to be investing. But that'll be coming forward. But I'll get Mr. Tucker to explain me a little bit more with this is just one of the scalable options." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 69079.225, "end": 69081.165, "text": "Mr. Tucker, you want to explain this a little more?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 69082.585, "end": 69087.985, "text": "Sure, thank you. So in terms of as a result of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 69089.185, "end": 69120.765, "text": "the guidance that we received yesterday, we'll be creating and updating additional and new financial information around the budget conversation. And as mentioned yesterday, we are planning, but it's not officially booked on the agenda yet for September 22nd to be coming back with an update on that information. In terms of now with this guidance, we'll have a much better understanding for those items that are scalable, which options" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 69121.725, "end": 69169.625, "text": "Would be needed to be adjusted to be able to fit into and within the guidance over the next four years. So from that perspective, we'll have that information refreshed and available for the 22nd as well. We have more detailed information coming out later today about all of the options and proposals that were before council yesterday at a high level. And that will also allow a little more information across all the options relative to outcomes, risk management, more description, those types of things. So we'll have that detail out. I think we're targeting later today. And then we'll be uh refreshing and updating all the financial information for the 22nd." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 69170.725, "end": 69183.605, "text": "Uh that sounds good. Uh just to be clear here, this the recommendation today is just to accept this for the corporate record. I we're not providing any guidance here around options A, B, or C." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 69183.685, "end": 69184.565, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 69185.305, "end": 69188.805, "text": "And how will that work on the budget? Because we're not providing you any guidance then." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 69192.745, "end": 69195.385, "text": "I I believe uh CFO Tucker answered that and that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 69195.605, "end": 69199.125, "text": "he's going to interpret the guidance that we provided last night" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 69199.485, "end": 69201.845, "text": "and overlay that with what's possible within the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 69202.445, "end": 69202.865, "text": "envelope." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 69202.865, "end": 69221.925, "text": "I look forward to seeing that. Uh just a question on the measures side of things. Uh I appreciate the uh results-based accountability format that you're kind of that you're kind of striving for here with uh with the investment, the uh uh the uh the population and the performance measures in here. I just was wondering if like I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 69223.025, "end": 69247.405, "text": "I'm not seeing I'm seeing a fair number of how much measures. I'm seeing a decent number of how well measures, but none that are really like did it make a difference measures. And so, for example, you know, taking a look at page eight of eleven here under the foster financial security, the indicator is number of individuals approved for fair entry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 69248.385, "end": 69252.185, "text": "Do we want that number to go up? Do we want it to go down?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 69253.305, "end": 69259.965, "text": "I'm not seeing enough detail in terms of here, in terms of like it's a measure, I understand, but it I'm what is it indicating for me?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 69261.165, "end": 69319.085, "text": "Right. So for for this for fostering financial security, this is one of those priorities that it would take a good decade to have that who is better off element. So what we have for performance measures is really we would want to see that number go down, but it's when it's a performance measure, it's about monitoring where we're at with that. So those numbers are available on a monthly basis. So we imagine that we know where we are right now. In uh 2016, we had 40,000 Calgarians on fair entry. Today it's uh 118,000. So um next year it may be like we can also do this in terms of um the percentage of Calgarians, so as a as a percentage, but we would want to see over the next few years for this number to go down." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 69319.625, "end": 69320.225, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 69320.225, "end": 69322.565, "text": "I like exactly where you're going there. Like the number." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 69322.565, "end": 69326.005, "text": "You're just at time, Deputy Mayor. My final sentence to conclude." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 69326.005, "end": 69335.165, "text": "Maybe I will just say like I I like to see a little bit more of that work because uh the raw number isn't really telling us a story. Percentage does a lot more." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 69335.325, "end": 69364.785, "text": "Can I just add something like that metric? We also will pair with the metric around how many Calgarians are living in low income. So we can compare if that number, if enough Calgarians are aware and taking advantage of fair entry. So I think in the annual report and some of the reporting pieces, we will do some of that sense making to look at the data and then look at the data together to say this is why kind of it's good or bad that it's gone up or down, and this is why." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 69365.105, "end": 69369.945, "text": "Thank you. And yeah, just to be clear, I didn't mean to pick on that one specifically. It's just when I was like, I think that my comments" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 69369.945, "end": 69373.185, "text": "I gotta go to Councillor Atkinson. Uh Counselor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 69373.885, "end": 69376.565, "text": "Well you'll have opportunity for debate shortly. Counselor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 69378.205, "end": 69389.885, "text": "Um yeah, can can clerks pull up uh attachment four there? The um that's the one with the sort of the pat the different packages. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 69391.025, "end": 69392.885, "text": "I get why you did it this way, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 69393.725, "end": 69412.925, "text": "just doing a bit of a thought exercise because I think that this might help me and others with some of the clarity. Like you've got some really tangible differences that you've noted in the packages, but you've done it as reductions when you drop down to a package. So if instead we were to take" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 69413.605, "end": 69466.465, "text": "That piece there and we were to put it, slide it to the left, everything to the left, in that uh middle column where the check mark is or that middle row. Uh so instead it was seven more peace officers in public parks and public spaces because we slid it to the left. So now we have a gap in the rightmost column that says $23 million. What would be the things that you would put in that space? So like I think you've just got rid of you've you've done, you've shown that this is like this has very tangible spends in terms of the reductions, but just on the baseline with the 23 million, and then thinking of these things as additions to that, what does the 23 million like? And I know it's in the report that we're gonna spend in certain areas, but you've obviously done the work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 69467.125, "end": 69493.965, "text": "In very specific ways to say there is seven less peace officers. So actually seven more peace officers if we get up to the 38 million. If we go to 28 million, we're gonna get 14 more security officers in downtown parks. We're gonna get four more parks and open spaces programs. Like if we bump everything up, so then there's an empty spot there. What is that baseline? Like if we were to look at it that way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 69494.385, "end": 69555.305, "text": "Sure, and I hope I'm going to answer your question in the way you want me to. The big difference between the 70, the partial and the minimum is that anything that doesn't lend itself well to scaling or that BUs couldn't scale in a meaningful way, it's included in the middle package and in the package on the right, so the minimum, it drops off. So examples are we would have no new fire code officers in the right-hand column. We would have no more dedicated downtown parks corporate security. We would have no dedicated security for Devonian Gardens. We would have the trend transit, some of the transit infrastructure improvements from a crime crime prevention perspective would not be funded. So those are the pieces that kind of drop off." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 69555.305, "end": 69556.325, "text": "We have funded." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 69556.325, "end": 69558.685, "text": "So we would uh we would have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 69558.685, "end": 69559.905, "text": "In the report it sort of says" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 69559.905, "end": 69566.945, "text": "yeah so so we would have like maintained we would have um sorry I'm just we would have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 69567.305, "end": 69578.545, "text": "uh uh we would have peace officer we would have additional peace officers, for example, for the social disorder team. So that would we would still have that in the reduced. Um we would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 69578.925, "end": 69585.805, "text": "still have um some of the washroom attendant um pieces. So yeah, that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 69585.805, "end": 69594.525, "text": "So, Counselor Atkinson, I think you raise a good point. We can redo this slide that actually shows from the minimum what you actually get for their every further investment. That's exactly what you're saying." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 69594.525, "end": 69595.345, "text": "flip it around." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 69595.345, "end": 69596.325, "text": "Yeah, we can totally do that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 69596.325, "end": 69597.125, "text": "Tell me what I'm getting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 69597.125, "end": 69598.265, "text": "Graph would be easier to understand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 69598.265, "end": 69606.925, "text": "what I'm getting last buy. So like that's a that's let's change the mindset and say here's the baseline, here's what you're getting. Do you want to buy" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 69608.725, "end": 69615.165, "text": "Gold, or do you want to buy diamond, you know, or do you want to buy bronze? But like, like what is bronze, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 69615.105, "end": 69619.645, "text": "That's good feedback. We can do that with all the scalable investments the exact way because it's easier for you to understand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 69619.645, "end": 69647.965, "text": "Just to understand that baseline. That's great. Um, I love actually I I I think the dashboard is a really important piece of this in terms of um getting the information out and being able to track it. I really appreciate those monthly reports that we get. Like that they've been highly informative on things like the number of overdoses we're seeing. Um but uh one of the things you mentioned was that we're gonna be doing annual reporting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 69648.685, "end": 69658.805, "text": "So does that mean that the dashboard will only update mah uh annually? The dashboard will be an ongoing sort of like tracking uh metrics on a monthly basis or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 69658.965, "end": 69702.985, "text": "Yeah, so we because of the collection of metrics that we have, we have metrics that lend themselves well to a dashboard because they're updated like monthly or even weekly or that sort of thing. We have other measures that are longer term, some of our preventive measures or some that we're getting from community partners that are updated once a year. So you may not see some of that's part of what we're sorting out is what is good in the dashboard format because it's showing some of that kind of more on a regular basis, monthly or quarter, quarterly. You can see the trend. And then the the report will speak, the annual report will speak to that, but we'll also have the additional measures that we only measure or other people only measure once a year because of the type of measure it it is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 69703.385, "end": 69708.865, "text": "Okay, Counselor Atkinson, just to add a little bit more. You'll probably recall from my Q1 quarterly report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 69709.545, "end": 69724.965, "text": "We highlighted that on our website are we have uh performance metrics on there. And I think it was Councilor Kelly that actually went there and said this is really good. It's better than the report. Just go to the so we have all these are these metrics will all be there with all the other things that we track. So Kalgarin can go there to measure our performance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 69725.165, "end": 69739.605, "text": "nice. Okay, great. Yeah, I think that that's a really important part because a lot of it is also perceptions of safety, these kinds of things. So how to sort of tell that story, and it is a complex story, right? Safety does fall into a lot of different" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 69739.605, "end": 69741.985, "text": "Unfortunately, you're just at time. Yes. Councilor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 69741.985, "end": 69742.405, "text": "yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 69743.225, "end": 69744.525, "text": "Uh Councillor Tyres, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 69745.805, "end": 69809.205, "text": "Yes, thank you. Um, I went door knocking a couple of days ago in Bonass, and I came across a couple explaining their day-to-day living behind Bonass Road. They said one side is beautiful with the riverside and pathways, and that's part of the reason why they moved into the other area. But the other side is overrun with social disorder. One would think you'd be able to enjoy a nice cup of coffee on your deck in the morning without any disturbance, but you would be wrong. There are people screaming profanities and generally just ruining your morning. They've called the police countless times and are on a first name basis with the local resource officer. There's prevalent drug use, loitering, and it makes the area unsafe. There is also a car wash on Bonas Road that was recently refurbished, and the residents would love to go to it. However, because of the loitering, crowds of homeless people, they don't want to deal with it, and so they go somewhere else, so they're not supporting local business as they would like to. There's hundreds of stories like these from my community. How is Safer Together going to address these types of problems for my residents?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 69810.065, "end": 69889.645, "text": "Sure, I can start. Thank you for the question. Safer Together is a community citywide plan. So the investments and also the current initiatives that you see before you will be across the city in various ways. There's a couple of pieces to draw your attention to for this example. I would say the peace officer ask, which is around more peace officers, particularly for encampments and for social disorder, to address issues that your resident is speaking of. I would also speak to some of the community pieces and well-being pieces and community vibrancy pieces that are in the existing package, which includes our community standards fund. And we actually just made an investment through the community standards fund to the Boness Community Association or the BIA, I can't remember which one. And that includes improvements to remove graffiti cleanups, but also other kind of community improvements that the community association or residents are looking for. So those are two examples, but it is meant to be a citywide plan, and we're always open to hear from you about what else you're hearing from your residents." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 69889.885, "end": 69897.285, "text": "Yeah, I appreciate that. Um, so you're saying like we invest the money, then we're gonna see results. Like how fast will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 69897.645, "end": 69919.505, "text": "so we invest money in this. How fast are my residents going to see results? Because these have been problems that have just been getting worse and worse and worse. And um there have been programs that we've been investing in money in prior to this, and it it just it just hasn't worked. So, what's going to be different about this that we haven't tried before?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 69919.665, "end": 69977.285, "text": "What I would say, counselor, is that one of the pieces here is that public safety is a systemic issue. So your residents will immediately see upon investment more presence from officers, will see increased investments in infrastructure for crime prevention, you will see different types of opportunities for community connectors, et cetera. However, when you're addressing issues that have to do with social disorder, with mental health issues, with homelessness, et cetera, that's something that does require sustained investment and sustained effort from the city and numerous partners to continue to address. So one of the things in here with Safer Together is that this is that sustained effort, coordinated effort that starts, yes, with investment, but it continues with a coordinated approach from all of the different city partners, including the Calgary Police Service and community agencies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 69977.825, "end": 70017.645, "text": "Okay. In my example that I provided, I said that they're on a first name basis with the community resource officers. So the the problem isn't more officers. There's something bigger that needs to be that needs to be addressed here. And and maybe that is maybe that is the path forward. Maybe like all these different organizations need to work together and figure it out. I would love to see that actually happening, but I'm I'm not sure if this is if this is the way to do it. Like how quickly are we gonna see results after we put if we end up funding this through the through the budget, when when will people start to see tangible difference in their community?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 70018.885, "end": 70069.405, "text": "So I would say, counselor, that we cannot give you a date. Again, systemic issues that will require a concrete effort and a coordinated approach. So what we can mention again, and I think that even in the in the plan, one of the pieces in here is actually tied to Boness. One of the pieces that we have been driving in Boness has to do with resident supports related to the water main, but also that has lined up with other types of support that residents are requesting from these teams. So you will see increased presence, your residents will have more access to different points of contact with the city, etc. But in terms of addressing again issues of social disorder, that will take some time. So you will see a decline over time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 70070.725, "end": 70096.725, "text": "Yeah, it appears to me that like so so if we don't have a fully fledged um out plan, it appears to me that we should leave this with the province. They are the ones that are at the experts and actually have a ministry of mental health and addictions to deal with this. You're asking us for this massive investment and not actually having a plan to deal to deal with these important issues. So um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 70097.525, "end": 70103.605, "text": "Okay, well I appreciate the answers and certainly we'll we'll discuss more of this um offline, but thank you very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70104.525, "end": 70105.825, "text": "Okay. Councillor Schmidt, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70107.365, "end": 70115.065, "text": "This plan you know community partners and city partners. So I I see a lot of the city partners in the room today. I'm wondering what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70116.665, "end": 70118.665, "text": "the buy in and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70118.905, "end": 70133.725, "text": "the collaboration and the support has been so far from the other people that you're bringing into this. Uh because I think if you know that there is work to do and this will take some time to feel out how we do this, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70134.345, "end": 70166.905, "text": "I I think there's some significance to having the buy-in from all of those involved. So I'm wondering, I mean, it's kind of like asking, is this person your friend? Uh right in front of each other. But I mean, is if there's buy-in from all of the departments that are playing a role in this, that seems to me like a positive step forward. So I don't know how we best want to answer this question. I mean, nobody has to, but um if i is there widespread buy-in within all of those involved within the city business units?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 70167.445, "end": 70207.465, "text": "Yes, so what you see here once more coordinated approach entailing the workings of 22 different business units and investments across 12 different business units. This has been a massive effort of shared accountability in the public safety space. And similarly, you mentioned community partners the same way. So throughout the development of this plan and throughout the 18 months, there was extensive engagement with many of the organizations that serve Calgaryans at the intersection of public safety and well being. This is a plan that has been heavily supported. One of the pieces in here is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 70208.745, "end": 70246.765, "text": "From a community organization perspective, this does require investment. So that's something that we continue to hear throughout throughout our engagements with community organizations. And one of the pieces, perhaps, to remind council of is that our community organization partners is how we procure social services for Calgary. So it is not necessarily services that I would describe as a nice to have. I would say that many of those programs are actually quite essential to how Calgarians experience Calgary and public safety." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70247.925, "end": 70248.365, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70249.005, "end": 70250.025, "text": "the dashboard" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70250.585, "end": 70263.725, "text": "that has the potential to be a very effective tool from a front-facing perspective. The Distress Center is implementing their community information exchange, the Spark tool, care suite, all of these" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70264.985, "end": 70278.965, "text": "things that already exist in other jurisdictions that have you know are starting to be implemented where we'll be able to map the journey of somebody through community court and day spaces and different service providers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70279.605, "end": 70283.925, "text": "Is there potential for this program to eventually get onto" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70284.785, "end": 70304.945, "text": "the these types of this type of software? Because I think for this program to be truly effective, we need to be able to see what is happening with the people interacting with the programs, and we need data for that, and this is a particular tricky area to do that. So have there been any discussions or thoughts around how we will go through that process?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 70305.025, "end": 70379.125, "text": "So we are actually the City of Calgary participates heavily in the community information exchange project through the Distrust Center. We are one of their primary partners along with the Calgary Police Service. They are part of the activities that we describe under Safer Together as well as one of the main contributing pieces of data towards this work. What I would say is that that particular project is actually quite operational in nature, right? So it is looking to coordinate efforts at the very tactical level between peace officers, fire department, police, health agencies, et cetera, to really be able to identify who are the individuals who are in constant touch points with our services, and how can we provide a better point of support for those individuals. So our intent through that process is that the information in terms of is the coordination working? Are we diminishing touch points? Are we increasing a coordinated response to complex needs will be something that we will be fleshing out at the higher level through dashboards in Safer Together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70379.725, "end": 70386.305, "text": "Okay, because I think I think the val the true value I see of this pro of this strategy and this program is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70387.285, "end": 70398.645, "text": "forever we have had this thing happening over here, over here, over here, over here, over here. How will this bring everything under one roof so that we can truly see how our efforts are are being moved forward?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 70398.745, "end": 70455.825, "text": "So the first thing, the dashboard. Going back to the dashboard, you have measures in there that will be updated regularly. But that does not take the place of other operating pieces that we are utilizing to better coordinate service delivery to individuals that may require it. The community information exchange is one of those deliverables. So yes, it's a dashboard, but it's primarily a piece of uh tool for our services to drive that coordination. Our intent through our annual reporting will be able to also showcase to council how are we enhancing that coordinated response with community partners, but also through other mechanisms, including I can think of the Action Table, for instance, which is another initiative that is looking to coordinate sector and supports for vulnerable individuals. So all of that information will be flowing into our overall dashboards in Safer Together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70456.325, "end": 70459.725, "text": "And final thing is Q2 uh report" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70460.485, "end": 70468.365, "text": "the for the first time if what if we can get move this program forward through budget, how much of an opportunity is there for us to?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70469.145, "end": 70476.645, "text": "You can do the check-in and make changes in that Q2 report if we see that there are pieces that are missing or pieces that need to be added." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 70476.785, "end": 70483.365, "text": "Happy to connect with counselors as needed to make sure that you can inform what that report back looks like." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70483.865, "end": 70491.045, "text": "And then what about actual tangible changes that could be made based on what we see from that report back?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 70491.365, "end": 70500.585, "text": "Same thing. Council has the ability to provide us with direction in terms of changes they would like to see or any other reporting mechanisms they would like to trigger for us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70500.585, "end": 70501.325, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 70503.085, "end": 70504.545, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Daliwell please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 70504.885, "end": 70511.285, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. I'll keep it quick. Yes or no answers. Uh have you reached out to Kalki Police Commission? What was the response like?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 70511.505, "end": 70527.825, "text": "Um so we are currently engaged with the uh police commission with their executive director. We are seeking to schedule um a touch point with police commission to engage them on Safer Together again. We have not yet received that date, but we are confident that that will be coming in the in the next few weeks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 70527.945, "end": 70539.025, "text": "Okay, great. Um and um is this a new approach to how we wanna do things in the community or is it just a new uh generation of what we have already doing?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 70539.505, "end": 70571.625, "text": "What I would say, counselor, is that this is a big evolution for a city to be driving this kind of overall change. So this would be the first time in Calgary that we are looking to drive coordination across all of the different areas to try to drive collective accountability on public safety, to also work differently through governance structures with the Calgary Police Service and to also inform coordination of the sector in community agencies to achieve the outcomes of Safer Together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 70571.825, "end": 70575.565, "text": "Great, thank you. It's since it's uh evolution, will evolution mean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 70575.825, "end": 70579.565, "text": "we will also look at different community partners, not the same old" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 70579.965, "end": 70599.605, "text": "Uh organizations like for instance FCSS, the big fishes. I brought a notice of motion about community-based organization that this council decided not to support, unfortunately. So I'm hoping this could uh entertain talking to those organizations who are making significant difference on the grassroots" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 70599.745, "end": 70600.325, "text": "level." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 70600.525, "end": 70635.845, "text": "Definitely. And one of the things that I will tell you is in the report. We are trying to work differently with community organizations. So part of the commitment here is to recognize that there have been a number of community organizations that have emerged in Calgary that serve their communities from the point of view of lived experience and that they play a key role in supporting neighborhoods and communities in Calgary. We are looking to engage with them differently, and we are also looking to ensure that we can increase capacity in the sector so they can also partake in other activities with the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 70635.945, "end": 70645.005, "text": "Yeah, okay, great. And the decision is gonna come in November, but I'm looking forward to more discussions offline in August for some other questions that I have that I don't want to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 70645.465, "end": 70647.405, "text": "uh waste council's time. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70651.125, "end": 70653.625, "text": "All right. Can I get a mover and seconder for the recommendations?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70654.065, "end": 70658.365, "text": "Okay, uh Councillor Schmidt, seconded by Counselor Daliwell. Counselor Schmidt, go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70659.865, "end": 70662.745, "text": "Um I guess we're here because of me" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70663.385, "end": 70666.965, "text": "putting forward that amendment. So um, you know," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70667.965, "end": 70668.425, "text": "as" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70668.925, "end": 70675.485, "text": "somebody who used to work in this field in criminal justice, um with the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70676.405, "end": 70681.485, "text": "Solely with the populations that we are trying to target and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70682.465, "end": 70686.225, "text": "both help and manage with this plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70687.965, "end": 70692.365, "text": "The thing that is always the hardest with public safety is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70692.965, "end": 70705.345, "text": "it is not a problem that you solve in four years. It does not follow election cycles more than anything else that we do, with maybe the exception of housing, uh, which is also in here. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70706.725, "end": 70716.945, "text": "I think that many of the concerns that were raised and some of the missing pieces that were raised are legitimate and justified. However," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70717.405, "end": 70720.185, "text": "we've never done this before, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70720.665, "end": 70727.885, "text": "we need to do something because we can't keep doing things the way we were doing them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70728.085, "end": 70728.965, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70729.285, "end": 70730.685, "text": "is it a perfect plan?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70731.545, "end": 70750.045, "text": "No, but it is much, much better than where we were. And we need to start with that and work continue to work with all the partners with the team. I I mean I I have met with it over ten of the community partners involved in this, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70750.685, "end": 70769.945, "text": "it will require more of that as we move forward. So yeah, I recognize the concerns. The the Saver Together team has done a ton of hard work and hearing that they have buy in from all of those involved. Um I would encourage those that have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70771.165, "end": 70782.525, "text": "Concerns about what we have right now, to not use those concerns as a reason to not support what we're doing, but to strengthen what we have in front of us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 70783.085, "end": 70811.525, "text": "Because if we if we leave this now and then start all over again, then we're just going to be back where we were when we started our council term. Because again, these are the most complex issues because we are dealing with human beings first and foremost with this policy and the diverse range of issues that they bring to us. So I really hope that we can have support for receiving this information for the corporate record and continue to do the hard work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70813.825, "end": 70815.505, "text": "Counselor Penzoulis, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 70815.745, "end": 70817.245, "text": "Thanks so much. I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 70818.105, "end": 70863.125, "text": "Counselor Atkinson asks for it best is when we we come back and see sort of what the art of the possible. I think the goals and objectives are really critical, and I'm just cautious about uh going all in 28 million out of the gate. So uh you know certainly want to keep this moving forward. Like you said, Councillor Schmidt, there's really important initiatives, but just want to see that goals orientated as we come through to budget. So definitely we'll reach out with administration, try to understand that art of the possible just to make sure is that the right 28 million uh or whatever the metric is 38, 23 of the three sort of scenario. So uh yeah, let's move this along to ask the questions, and that'll inform us for for budget. I think is super critical. And uh maybe the right number is somewhere in between there, but uh move it forward, but ask the questions to make sure that we're getting the outcomes that we really want for safety across the whole city. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70867.365, "end": 70875.145, "text": "Alright, I see nobody else. I'll just jump in and uh say I really appreciate the work that was put to this. We know we know that public safety is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70875.825, "end": 70879.165, "text": "it's evidence, it's indices, it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70879.785, "end": 70880.185, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70880.825, "end": 70886.005, "text": "Empirical data, but it's also as much uh perception and feeling. And we know that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70886.565, "end": 70892.325, "text": "uh enforcement is a big piece. The Calgary Police Service and Police Commission have a big part in terms of that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70892.965, "end": 70897.185, "text": "uh community safety and policing plan that they implement uh for the municipality, but we know that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70897.745, "end": 70902.205, "text": "the ownership and participation on public safety as a conversation is larger than just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70902.405, "end": 70903.145, "text": "uh policing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70903.785, "end": 70906.825, "text": "I really appreciate the the work getting this up to speed. We know that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70907.545, "end": 70911.605, "text": "there's a lot more work to be done to be able to flush out those baselines, those targets." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70912.125, "end": 70916.065, "text": "Uh even amongst ourselves, uh colleagues, I know there's disagreements in terms of what we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70916.325, "end": 70918.865, "text": "each as elected officials believe to be the best" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70919.505, "end": 70922.225, "text": "bang for your buck investments that will help improve that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70922.765, "end": 70928.605, "text": "visible safety and incident response. But it's very clear to me that this combined with other initiatives like community cohort," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70928.905, "end": 70931.945, "text": "housing addictions, recovery treatment, mental health, housing first," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70932.765, "end": 70939.965, "text": "it's a very complicated, complex issue, but uh we have an opportunity to be able to really push. So appreciate how this is uh all laid out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 70940.785, "end": 70941.785, "text": "Counselor Buenas, please go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 70943.345, "end": 70943.865, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 70944.025, "end": 70948.365, "text": "Well I get this inch issue is complicated. I've sat through a term" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 70948.745, "end": 70955.105, "text": "where we started out and suddenly it was a crisis that we didn't know winter was coming and we needed more day spaces." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 70955.365, "end": 70958.145, "text": "Then we injected millions of dollars to create day spaces." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 70958.545, "end": 70959.985, "text": "But we never actually created them" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 70960.385, "end": 70965.885, "text": "because the drop in center covered up the fact that we were injecting millions of dollars and not creating day spaces." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 70966.205, "end": 70971.225, "text": "And that finally showed its true colors when the drop in center drew a boundary and said, we are," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 70971.425, "end": 70974.805, "text": "we can't keep hiding the fact that this blank check that has been coming" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 70975.005, "end": 70977.025, "text": "is not actually going to solve this problem." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 70977.465, "end": 71007.325, "text": "This requires a lot of government to work together. When we have people who have mental health and are in mental health crisis go to an emergency room and cannot get the care they need and then end up interacting with the police, that is not a municipal issue. That is a provincial issue. And so when we sit here and debate all day long talking about how this is going to stop the crisis, this is going to help our community, it will only stop when we have the federal and provincial government pull their heads out of their butt and actually start working with us. Because the blank checks don't work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71007.525, "end": 71010.065, "text": "This plan won't work because I already have a dashboard" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71010.325, "end": 71012.725, "text": "with the police commission and it's not making a difference." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71013.305, "end": 71014.545, "text": "It's not people are looking at it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71014.865, "end": 71015.625, "text": "It's not helping them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71016.145, "end": 71020.145, "text": "So make sure the money's actually gonna do what it's gonna say. You guys are gonna debate and do what it's gonna do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71020.485, "end": 71021.365, "text": "Because it's not working." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71021.925, "end": 71023.085, "text": "So I'm not supporting this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71023.405, "end": 71026.305, "text": "I've debated Butman for four years and it hasn't helped this problem." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71026.625, "end": 71029.565, "text": "So I hear your debates, I was naive like you, it's not gonna work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71030.785, "end": 71031.825, "text": "Deputy Mayor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 71034.125, "end": 71035.545, "text": "Thank you, worship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 71036.785, "end": 71048.925, "text": "I support the strategy. I'd like the idea of working together and all the business units coming together. I think in my questions, we heard some of my concerns, though, around the metrics and if we actually are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 71049.585, "end": 71070.725, "text": "if those metrics are actually going to inform us of anything. Definitely believe in general, across the board, for every city business unit, we need more key performance indicators so that we know what we think that we're going to be getting for our dollars as we invest them. And so I would apply that in this particular case as well. So despite the fact that I s um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 71071.445, "end": 71095.765, "text": "You know, I have some reservations about what it was that we took a look at here or have some questions about them, I guess. I still support the strategy and what's before us is that we received the report for the corporate record. So yes, I received the report for the corporate record. Happy to vote yes uh uh for this, but I don't want uh I don't want that to be interpreted as a we've nailed it, we've got it, we're ready, we're ready to roll. I think there's still some improvement that could be made here for sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71097.345, "end": 71099.025, "text": "Okay, uh Councillor Schmidt, please to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 71101.285, "end": 71108.145, "text": "So I I mean I too would love the federal and the provincial governments to step up their game, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 71108.845, "end": 71113.125, "text": "I think there's an aspect to this well uh two different things." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 71113.305, "end": 71120.605, "text": "If we step up our game and we show that we are doing things that are within our power to do, that justifies them" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 71121.225, "end": 71123.005, "text": "Joining us and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 71124.325, "end": 71133.325, "text": "helping us solve the issue. We can't go to them and say we we we're all out of ideas. Now give us some money." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 71133.485, "end": 71145.245, "text": "If we have ideas, if we have things that are happening, like with everything else we do, we can provide them with the foundation to come on board with us. And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 71146.385, "end": 71150.525, "text": "I forgot my second point. So, in any event, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 71151.045, "end": 71154.085, "text": "I oh, I just remembered it now. Calgarians" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 71154.865, "end": 71155.765, "text": "don't care," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 71156.245, "end": 71172.245, "text": "I think ultimately. You know, when Counselor Tyres brought up the story of what's happening with her boness residents, I doubt those residents care if we go and say, yeah, what this is the province and the federal government that should be doing this, so you're gonna have to deal with this problem some more." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 71172.845, "end": 71180.785, "text": "Um, they want to see results. And so we have something in front of us to start that work. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 71181.245, "end": 71197.365, "text": "If we can show them the results, then that is a win for us. But most importantly, it's a win for Calgary. I think that needs to be where we keep our eye on the ball is how do we make this a win for our constituents and for the city? And if we all" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 71198.305, "end": 71204.785, "text": "work with the team and work with the partners in a constructive way to make this as good as it can be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 71205.465, "end": 71222.785, "text": "With the money that we have and with the resources that we have, then that is who benefits and that should be our only goal. So I hope we can so uh accept this for the corporate record today and and move forward to see what we can do to get this thing started in the budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71225.225, "end": 71229.125, "text": "All right, uh let's engage the evo, please. And that's to receive this for information" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71229.625, "end": 71230.585, "text": "and for the corporate record." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71245.585, "end": 71247.045, "text": "Councillor Clark, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71247.425, "end": 71247.965, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71248.925, "end": 71250.365, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71250.785, "end": 71252.105, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71256.765, "end": 71259.505, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 9 to 6 with counselors Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71259.725, "end": 71262.625, "text": "Johnston, Jamison, Tyres, Wynassa McClain opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71263.625, "end": 71265.605, "text": "All right. Uh I believe we're on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71266.205, "end": 71266.525, "text": "is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71266.825, "end": 71268.985, "text": "Madam Clerk 9.4.1 platform calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71269.505, "end": 71269.825, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71271.045, "end": 71271.485, "text": "Let's roll." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 71277.565, "end": 71298.985, "text": "Good morning, members of council. My name is Aaron Brown. I'm the City Treasurer and Deputy Chief Financial Officer. With me today is Scott Brandt, the manager of Treasury. We also have other colleagues from law, civic partners, as well as members or executives from platform to answer your questions. We do have a short presentation, but if you'd like, I can move directly to questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71301.765, "end": 71306.185, "text": "I think we had extensive discussion at uh committee. Any questions, colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71309.045, "end": 71311.825, "text": "Okay, seeing none, uh who is the mover for this? Was it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71312.165, "end": 71314.345, "text": "Deputy Mayor Kelly or Councilor Wynus?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71317.465, "end": 71319.365, "text": "Okay, uh Councilor Weinus, do you want to speak to it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71321.165, "end": 71322.625, "text": "Yeah, I think it's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71323.105, "end": 71324.905, "text": "the conversation was had, we'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71325.305, "end": 71326.985, "text": "endorse what is presented." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71327.345, "end": 71331.225, "text": "Uh but I as part of the conversation we had in camera, I have written the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71331.465, "end": 71333.765, "text": "confidential amendment and shared it with council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71334.305, "end": 71335.165, "text": "Two days ago." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71335.525, "end": 71336.825, "text": "I think should be in your inbox." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71337.205, "end": 71343.265, "text": "And so I and clerks has a copy, so when appropriate, I'd like to put that up to add an additional point for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71343.865, "end": 71346.085, "text": "Should we uh postpone this item to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71346.265, "end": 71347.345, "text": "closed meeting portion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71348.245, "end": 71354.785, "text": "If Council would like to discuss the confidential amendment from Councillor Wyness, then yes, I'd recommend that you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71355.645, "end": 71356.565, "text": "move into closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71357.825, "end": 71361.405, "text": "I'm comfortable personally with what Councilor Weinas uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71362.305, "end": 71366.345, "text": "had proposed. Uh colleagues, is there a requirement to go into closed session?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71367.945, "end": 71372.985, "text": "Okay, seeing none, uh I'll seek a mover for the main then and then I'll acknowledge Councilor Weinus on that amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71373.905, "end": 71376.425, "text": "Okay, Deputy Mayor Kelly has moved the main." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71377.045, "end": 71379.065, "text": "Seconded by uh Councillor Dallywall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71379.385, "end": 71383.405, "text": "Okay, that's uh on the table. Did you want to open on this, Councilor Kelly, before I go to Councilor Winnens?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 71384.985, "end": 71398.565, "text": "Uh no, I think we had a really good conversation at uh at uh executive committee about this and the rationale for it. So I'll leave it if anybody in their debate has any questions uh to uh to ask away and I'll try to answer anything else on closed if I have to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71399.105, "end": 71400.525, "text": "Yeah, I'll go to Councillor Wynnes now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71401.945, "end": 71404.145, "text": "Clerks, when ready, it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71404.405, "end": 71407.065, "text": "a confidential amendment publicly is to add four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71417.725, "end": 71418.465, "text": "Open and closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71419.705, "end": 71422.665, "text": "The uh one question I had, Madam Clerk, was there a requirement that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71422.825, "end": 71427.045, "text": "the distribution made be made available to the extent to carry out it," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71427.345, "end": 71428.405, "text": "that type of language?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71428.725, "end": 71430.365, "text": "Or is that captured all right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71431.905, "end": 71434.045, "text": "It will be captured at number two, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71435.965, "end": 71437.505, "text": "So I'm sorry, maybe can you repeat that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71437.505, "end": 71447.165, "text": "Yeah, my my curiosity is sometimes uh we we allow the confidentiality to be lifted with those that are required to undertake the recommendation. Is that required in this language?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71447.325, "end": 71461.725, "text": "That would be up to administration um bringing this item forward if they need to share this direction with anyone. So I would look to my colleagues for that advice. But right now, the way that it's written, it does not account for that. Because I know council would have seen that yesterday with the budget document, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71462.305, "end": 71465.385, "text": "Okay, if this is good as uh tabled then uh I'm comfortable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71466.265, "end": 71467.645, "text": "Okay, is there a seconder for this amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71468.725, "end": 71470.825, "text": "Okay, seconded by Councillor Penizopoulos. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71472.625, "end": 71473.125, "text": "any" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71473.545, "end": 71475.925, "text": "and we can't really discuss or debate this, but can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71476.265, "end": 71478.205, "text": "I deem you closed, Councillor Wynnes? Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71478.385, "end": 71481.025, "text": "Let's engage the vote on Councillor Wynus's uh amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71496.025, "end": 71497.485, "text": "Councilor Chabot, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71500.525, "end": 71501.085, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71501.705, "end": 71503.285, "text": "Um Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71503.605, "end": 71504.885, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71507.545, "end": 71510.585, "text": "On that, the motion is carried fourteen to one with Councillor Shabeau opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71511.505, "end": 71513.185, "text": "Uh I'm gonna go to you to close, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71513.445, "end": 71514.085, "text": "Deputy Mayor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 71516.465, "end": 71521.005, "text": "Uh Platform Calgary is a valued partner. We appreciate them coming forward with this and uh closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71522.385, "end": 71524.605, "text": "All right, uh let's engage the vote on the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71525.165, "end": 71526.645, "text": "Recommendations on the report is amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71541.265, "end": 71542.865, "text": "Councilor Jameson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71544.645, "end": 71545.165, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71545.465, "end": 71546.965, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71547.185, "end": 71548.505, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71556.325, "end": 71560.205, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 13 to 2 with counselors Johnston and Ward opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71561.185, "end": 71565.665, "text": "Alright, uh, we've dealt with 9.4.2, the advisory committee on accessibility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71567.885, "end": 71572.205, "text": "We've dealt with 9.4.3, Social Wellbeing Advisory Committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71575.045, "end": 71575.785, "text": "We've uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71576.065, "end": 71577.045, "text": "sorry, Madam Clerk, go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71579.485, "end": 71580.305, "text": "Sorry, microphone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71580.445, "end": 71584.325, "text": "There's a bylaw reading for this item, Mayor Farkas. By law 7B 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71584.585, "end": 71587.005, "text": "Oh whoops. Rookie mistake, my friends." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71588.245, "end": 71592.205, "text": "All right, uh first reading of bylaw 7B 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71593.125, "end": 71594.565, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71595.025, "end": 71598.145, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 7B 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71598.885, "end": 71599.705, "text": "Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71599.965, "end": 71601.285, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71601.745, "end": 71605.705, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 7B 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71606.285, "end": 71607.945, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71608.505, "end": 71610.005, "text": "Third reading of bylaw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71610.505, "end": 71614.365, "text": "7b 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71616.145, "end": 71619.145, "text": "Alright, are we going to the Foxtail Barley bylaw men?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 71619.905, "end": 71622.745, "text": "That's right, Mayor Farkas. Item 9.4.5." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71623.165, "end": 71623.505, "text": "Awesome." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71640.565, "end": 71641.225, "text": "Take us away." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 71642.585, "end": 71648.005, "text": "Good morning, Council members. My name is Tanya Lang. I'm a business strategist in community strategies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 71648.485, "end": 71651.125, "text": "I'm joined by Deputy Chief" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 71651.525, "end": 71653.565, "text": "of Community Standards, Damien Cole," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 71654.265, "end": 71657.145, "text": "and Mike Munn, Manager of Parks and Open Spaces." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 71657.485, "end": 71659.225, "text": "We're here with the Foxtail Barley" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 71660.045, "end": 71664.765, "text": "bylaw amendment report to propose removing the Foxtail Barley" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 71664.945, "end": 71667.465, "text": "provision from the Community Standards bylaw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 71668.105, "end": 71675.245, "text": "and outline how we'll continue to address risk to pets. I'm happy to provide a presentation or we can go straight to questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71677.905, "end": 71681.685, "text": "I think there was discussion in committee. Was there a request for the presentation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71683.305, "end": 71686.165, "text": "Okay, seeing no request, I'm gonna go to Councillor Weiness to move it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71687.325, "end": 71689.265, "text": "And a second." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71689.265, "end": 71690.145, "text": "Shabot a second that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71692.085, "end": 71695.625, "text": "Yeah, this makes sense. It was a hypocritical bile at a start. We have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71695.945, "end": 71697.545, "text": "Tall grasses, which will cover" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71697.885, "end": 71700.925, "text": "the challenges we're experiencing with this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71701.165, "end": 71705.365, "text": "It also put additional pressure on our bylaw officers to respond to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71706.045, "end": 71707.385, "text": "one little stock of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71707.705, "end": 71712.805, "text": "uh foxtail on private property owners and led to an increased stress in the community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71713.245, "end": 71717.005, "text": "Uh well I understand and empathize as a a dog owner myself" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71717.505, "end": 71719.405, "text": "uh the challenges that happen with this," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71719.605, "end": 71719.905, "text": "but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71720.205, "end": 71722.465, "text": "foundationally, if the city has a bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71722.825, "end": 71727.405, "text": "That we are not maintaining the same standard that we expect of private property owners," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71727.785, "end": 71728.625, "text": "it's a bylaw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71728.865, "end": 71730.145, "text": "that we shouldn't actually have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71730.545, "end": 71732.885, "text": "We must be as good as the bylaws we force onto" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71733.345, "end": 71735.745, "text": "the residents, and and that's the foundation for the repeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71736.165, "end": 71736.565, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 71736.765, "end": 71737.565, "text": "open and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71738.185, "end": 71739.885, "text": "Okay, Councilor uh McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71740.405, "end": 71742.345, "text": "Yeah, just a quick question to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71742.705, "end": 71743.765, "text": "admin on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71745.545, "end": 71747.085, "text": "Uh why uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71747.405, "end": 71754.405, "text": "what are we doing or why aren't we doing more then for spraying and trying to take care of killing this uh noxious weed, foxtail barley." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71758.105, "end": 71761.125, "text": "If we want people to remove it from their yards and kill it," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71762.205, "end": 71763.345, "text": "why aren't we doing it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 71766.785, "end": 71774.425, "text": "Just for clarification, are you asking um on city um on city properties uh or more for parks?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71774.745, "end": 71775.285, "text": "Everything." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 71775.685, "end": 71775.925, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 71779.245, "end": 71793.605, "text": "Yeah, thank you for the question, Councillor. Uh we will deal with this just like any other grass now. Uh we won't need to go out for specific stalks. Uh we'll just deal with deal with it as being over six inches high and it will just be cleared as normal as per any other grass." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71798.085, "end": 71799.125, "text": "Yeah, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71799.565, "end": 71804.865, "text": "I'll take that as an answer. I guess it's just tough for me because I get a lot of people from the public. One just the other day," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71805.185, "end": 71806.345, "text": "a friend who said that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71806.665, "end": 71810.585, "text": "It blew into his yard. It cost him two thousand dollars 'cause his dog ingested it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71811.345, "end": 71816.385, "text": "But I don't know if it came from somebody's backyard. If it came from city owned lands, it's just a really tough one. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71817.065, "end": 71820.305, "text": "uh again, it s seems hypoth uh hypocritical, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71821.085, "end": 71830.145, "text": "I don't know if we can do more. Is there something more that we could do? Could we go out and actually then it's a native grass, but can we go out on all city owned lands and spray and try to kill this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 71831.005, "end": 71836.145, "text": "Thank you, Councillor McLean, for the question. I'm Mike Mann, manager of Parks and Open Spaces or Stewardship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 71836.985, "end": 71843.465, "text": "Foxttail barley is a native plant, as you've noticed. It's a grass. It's extremely difficult to manage with chemical control." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 71843.925, "end": 71849.125, "text": "So there is no non selective chemical control that can target just foxttail without killing all other" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 71849.485, "end": 71851.585, "text": "adjacent grass or shrubs or trees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 71852.385, "end": 71855.565, "text": "And so it's typically a glyphosate product that we'd have to use, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 71856.185, "end": 71862.165, "text": "commonly known as Roundup, and that would kill all, like I say, adjacent plant species. And so it is exceptionally difficult to manage." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 71862.565, "end": 71863.485, "text": "With anything chemical" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 71864.145, "end": 71865.865, "text": "or best management practices mowing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71867.745, "end": 71873.965, "text": "Yeah, thanks for that. And then I th we're trying to do the best we can here. But again, I'm gonna support this amendment just because it again, it's just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71874.225, "end": 71875.085, "text": "it's a tough one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 71875.565, "end": 71876.565, "text": "But I'm gonna support" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71878.945, "end": 71880.205, "text": "Okay, Councilor Shabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71881.885, "end": 71885.505, "text": "Yeah, no, the um the bylaw was introduced to try and address" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71885.845, "end": 71888.165, "text": "an issue that was raised by several residents. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71888.645, "end": 71891.445, "text": "and of course, um the the problem with it is that it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71891.665, "end": 71893.765, "text": "it targeted targeted homeowners" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71894.005, "end": 71897.445, "text": "uh who are not the major contributors to the foxtail barley" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71897.785, "end": 71899.365, "text": "uh proliferation throughout the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71899.645, "end": 71900.485, "text": "It uh it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71901.125, "end": 71906.825, "text": "it feeds on salt water, so on adjacent to every road where we put salt on it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71906.985, "end": 71907.785, "text": "It uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71908.305, "end": 71914.065, "text": "it it seems to be uh quite prevalent um as well as uh any vacant land. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71914.565, "end": 71916.345, "text": "uh at this point um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71916.885, "end": 71925.505, "text": "it was it was kind of pointless to have this rule in place. Uh the better solution is enforcement through the the six inch maximum height." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71925.905, "end": 71928.465, "text": "Um and it he even says that in a report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71928.665, "end": 71930.665, "text": "It it resulted in very little" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71931.105, "end": 71933.565, "text": "uh improvement uh and it was uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71934.025, "end": 71937.545, "text": "More an issue around enforcement that could have been addressed through the six-inch rule. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71938.005, "end": 71940.245, "text": "for me, let's stick to what we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71940.665, "end": 71944.005, "text": "we should be controlling. Uh look at enforcement to help us to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71944.145, "end": 71947.025, "text": "minimize the impact on on residents." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71947.165, "end": 71951.425, "text": "Uh, insofar as a net a natural and a native grass." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71951.645, "end": 71954.845, "text": "Uh, I don't think we should be trying to regulate that for starters. Um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71955.525, "end": 71956.165, "text": "but uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71956.765, "end": 71957.465, "text": "yeah, no, it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71957.845, "end": 71960.845, "text": "I think it's it's time to get rid of this bylaw and stick to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71961.245, "end": 71962.445, "text": "to what it is that we do, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71962.665, "end": 71964.285, "text": "and that's enforce the rules around." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 71964.565, "end": 71966.665, "text": "our current rules, which I think are sufficient." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 71969.345, "end": 71970.585, "text": "All right, Councillor Dollywell, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 71970.805, "end": 71981.305, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. Just a quick one. If it's on a public property, uh residents call can call 311 and there will be action taken or like I just want to understand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 71983.685, "end": 71993.125, "text": "Thank you for the question, Councillor Dollywell. That that is correct. The citizens can submit a 301 and we'll review an action as appropriate. So if it's in a dog park or at an off leash area," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 71993.465, "end": 71996.025, "text": "it would have a higher status of urgency and it would be maintained" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 71996.465, "end": 71997.705, "text": "typically through mowing or trimming." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 71998.065, "end": 72004.085, "text": "And if it's not on Offleash Dog Park or in a dog park, it just stays there?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 72004.345, "end": 72008.045, "text": "It's typically then managed through our mowing practices or vegetation practices." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 72008.285, "end": 72010.385, "text": "Okay, great. Thank you. That's it for me, Mayor. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72012.185, "end": 72017.445, "text": "Alright, I'll just jump in and and say thank you, Councilor Weines Shabot, for bringing this forward. I I think it shows" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72018.205, "end": 72026.705, "text": "maybe courage isn't the the right word, but I think uh as governors we have a responsibility to to course correct and and take feedback from city administration. I I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72027.345, "end": 72030.765, "text": "often we're at we're tasking admin to do more and more. We're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72031.265, "end": 72036.505, "text": "We're we're creating policy, we're creating bylaws and having the opportunity to actually take things off their plate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72037.025, "end": 72046.125, "text": "that are not working and not practical. I think that's an obligation for us as well. So again, it's not just addition, it's also subtraction to be able to do the work properly. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72046.705, "end": 72047.685, "text": "thanks for uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72047.905, "end": 72048.485, "text": "bringing this forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72048.845, "end": 72050.465, "text": "Uh would you like to close, Consulwanians?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 72051.205, "end": 72051.605, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72052.125, "end": 72053.345, "text": "Uh let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 72064.325, "end": 72065.625, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72066.165, "end": 72067.565, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72070.805, "end": 72073.865, "text": "All right, that motion is carried unanimously. We'll move to the readings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72074.805, "end": 72078.585, "text": "First reading of bylaw 27 M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72078.865, "end": 72080.005, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72080.525, "end": 72085.325, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 27 M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72085.785, "end": 72089.985, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 27M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72090.245, "end": 72091.725, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72092.825, "end": 72095.965, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 27M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72096.225, "end": 72097.425, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72098.745, "end": 72101.225, "text": "Alright, 9.4.6 amendments to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72101.845, "end": 72105.205, "text": "bylaw 47M 2025 to enable electronic" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72105.465, "end": 72106.665, "text": "delivery of tax notices." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 72107.765, "end": 72112.705, "text": "Good morning, Mayor and members of council. My name is Tristan Sabrisi, a policy analyst with assessment and tax." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 72113.065, "end": 72116.045, "text": "I have a presentation prepared. Would you like to hear the presentation today?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72116.905, "end": 72118.425, "text": "Any need for a presentation, colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72120.805, "end": 72122.405, "text": "I don't think so. Any uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72122.605, "end": 72124.525, "text": "questions uh on this report," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72124.845, "end": 72125.185, "text": "colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72128.905, "end": 72129.965, "text": "Seeing none, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72130.265, "end": 72131.525, "text": "Deputy Markelli, would you like to move it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 72133.585, "end": 72133.925, "text": "Moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72134.685, "end": 72135.825, "text": "Is there a seconder for this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72137.645, "end": 72139.845, "text": "Yep, seconded by uh Councilor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72140.625, "end": 72147.625, "text": "I'll just briefly ask uh what what happens when an electronic notice bounces or can't be delivered?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 72147.745, "end": 72171.145, "text": "Thank you for the question. So if a notice is claimed not received by the person who opted in, that wouldn't excuse the uh tax deadlines that are still in place. And if there is evidence that there is uh something that's failed and they didn't receive that notice, we would uh work with that person to make sure they got that notice, or they could log into their uh my tax account to access that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72171.865, "end": 72175.805, "text": "And just want to reiterate that uh participation here is voluntary and the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 72175.805, "end": 72176.565, "text": "Please voluntary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72176.565, "end": 72178.105, "text": "paper delivered remains. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 72178.105, "end": 72178.345, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72178.345, "end": 72179.945, "text": "For those who uh don't opt in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72180.165, "end": 72180.265, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72181.505, "end": 72182.505, "text": "Any debate colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72184.105, "end": 72186.005, "text": "Seeing none, uh Deputy Mayor closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72187.945, "end": 72188.305, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72188.885, "end": 72190.205, "text": "Alright, let's engage the e vote on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 72192.805, "end": 72194.905, "text": "Jill saying ELT doesn't have to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 72210.205, "end": 72211.485, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72211.925, "end": 72213.385, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72216.905, "end": 72218.885, "text": "Alright, that motion is carried 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72219.245, "end": 72223.545, "text": "Move now to the readings. First reading of bylaw 28M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72224.125, "end": 72225.205, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72225.685, "end": 72230.705, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 28 M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72231.285, "end": 72235.225, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 28 M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72235.585, "end": 72237.105, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72237.745, "end": 72242.725, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 28M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72243.565, "end": 72246.965, "text": "All right, uh 9.4.7 tribunal fee review." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 72248.345, "end": 72266.985, "text": "Good morning, Mayor Farkas, and members of Council. My name is Jeremy Fraser. I'm the Deputy City Clerk for Council and Governance Services. Uh the purpose of this report is to recommend adjustments to tribunal fees for the Calgary Assessment Review Board and the Calgary License and Community Standards Appeal Board. I'm happy to run through presentation, which we share to committee or answer questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72270.445, "end": 72272.325, "text": "Colleagues, uh is the presentation record?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72274.465, "end": 72277.365, "text": "Don't think so. Any questions? Uh Councilor Shabot, go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 72280.385, "end": 72284.985, "text": "I have no questions. I'm just happy to move the recommendations at the appropriate time. If that's now, then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 72285.485, "end": 72286.645, "text": "happy to move the recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72287.005, "end": 72288.145, "text": "Now is always a great time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72288.425, "end": 72290.085, "text": "Uh seconded by uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72290.465, "end": 72292.025, "text": "Council or Deputy Mayor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72292.525, "end": 72293.865, "text": "It's on the table. Any debate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72295.785, "end": 72297.605, "text": "Seeing none, over to you to close, Councilor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72299.465, "end": 72301.085, "text": "All right, uh, let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 72317.045, "end": 72318.565, "text": "Councillor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 72319.325, "end": 72319.825, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 72320.165, "end": 72321.665, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72322.145, "end": 72323.545, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72328.725, "end": 72331.985, "text": "On that, the motion is carried, 14 to the 1 with Councillor Johnston opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72333.045, "end": 72334.885, "text": "Alright, we'll move now to the readings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72335.725, "end": 72339.865, "text": "First reading of bylaw 29M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72340.785, "end": 72342.145, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72342.505, "end": 72346.205, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 29M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72347.025, "end": 72352.805, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 29M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72353.525, "end": 72355.145, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72355.645, "end": 72358.945, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 29M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72359.225, "end": 72360.465, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72361.845, "end": 72367.765, "text": "Alright, I believe 948. This was the punted one, right? Or uh postponed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72368.305, "end": 72369.225, "text": "The in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72369.525, "end": 72371.725, "text": "intermunicipal Foot Hills County in Rocky View County." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72372.125, "end": 72372.365, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72373.105, "end": 72373.765, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 72373.765, "end": 72375.485, "text": "I was referred back to administration, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72375.685, "end": 72377.665, "text": "That's not uh in front of us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72378.465, "end": 72383.185, "text": "We're on 9.4.9 Workland Center Transformation Advisory Committee proposed bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 72384.645, "end": 72399.125, "text": "Good morning, Council Lori Kerr from Major Partners, Partnerships and Community Services. Today we have before you the proposed bylaw for the Wortland Center Transformation Advisory Committee. Happy to give a presentation or go direct to questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72401.065, "end": 72404.065, "text": "Alright, I don't think we need the presentation. Any questions, collects?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72406.325, "end": 72408.605, "text": "Okay. Uh seeing none, can I have a mover, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72409.765, "end": 72412.525, "text": "Uh moved by Councilor Penizopoulos, seconded by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72413.645, "end": 72414.065, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72414.265, "end": 72415.265, "text": "Councilor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72415.665, "end": 72417.625, "text": "Alright, uh any debates on this, colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72419.765, "end": 72422.005, "text": "Okay. Seeing none overdue to close, Councillor Penizopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 72422.205, "end": 72439.465, "text": "Uh closed. I just one thing that is pretty exciting about this is after this bylaw is passed, there will be the uh committee will change the Wortland Center Transformation Advisory Committee recognition of the Wortland family's amazing contribution, $75 million to the city of Calgary, uh which will benefit Calgaryans for generations. Closed. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72439.465, "end": 72439.805, "text": "That's great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72441.025, "end": 72442.885, "text": "All right, uh, let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 72454.905, "end": 72456.205, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72456.885, "end": 72458.265, "text": "All right, please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72462.625, "end": 72464.665, "text": "That the motion is carried 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72465.445, "end": 72466.785, "text": "I'll go now to the readings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72467.265, "end": 72470.605, "text": "First reading of bylaw 30 M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72470.865, "end": 72472.025, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72472.505, "end": 72476.205, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 30M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72476.605, "end": 72477.845, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72478.325, "end": 72482.565, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 30 M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72482.765, "end": 72484.265, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72484.945, "end": 72488.385, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 30 M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72488.885, "end": 72490.005, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72491.285, "end": 72494.925, "text": "All right, uh, we've dealt with uh 9410 lobbyist registry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72495.725, "end": 72500.625, "text": "9411 was uh withdrawn. The infrastructure and community amenity conditions," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72501.425, "end": 72502.825, "text": "which brings us to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72503.345, "end": 72508.165, "text": "9412, notice of motion, updating council chamber seating arrangements. Uh over to you, Councilor Yo, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 72508.705, "end": 72527.305, "text": "Thank you. As you know, I've been working uh very closely with George Cuff as I chair the CAO search committee. Uh and one of the things that we have talked about is just the general layout of our of our council chambers. Uh in my" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 72527.785, "end": 72658.885, "text": "Research for this. I look back to when council actually moved into these chambers, and that was back in the 1980s. If you look at some of the articles back in 1984 when they were showing the initial designs for this room, one of the reasons we made the shift to this room and and shifted things around was because it was confusing for the public to know who was on council and who was in part of administration. In the old council chambers, administration sat a little bit higher than the aldermen at the time. And so this design was meant to kind of correct some of that misconceptions. And I think we can go a little bit further. Part of that article said that you know when we designed this chamber back when Ralph Klein was mayor, nothing was bolted down so that future councils could make uh decisions on how this chamber could look in the future. And I think we're at that point. I think with our decisions uh coming forward with a new CAO, we should be evaluating everything uh about uh how people picture us. And uh I think uh a good example of that was just this past uh week with the public hearings. Um there was confusion uh by one public member who came and and was confused as to why administration wasn't there uh because there wasn't any sitting in the in the administration side, but we did have uh director Hamilton up here because people, general public don't know the the nuances of of who's who up here, and and so I think uh it is time that we re-evaluate how we have this layout. Uh and and so this notice of motion is just to start that work. It's just to kind of evaluate what other municipalities are doing across Canada uh and to bring back some recommendations for what what our council should look like when we do hire this new CAO and what we as a council want it to look like. So, with that, I am open and uh happy to answer any questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72660.245, "end": 72662.125, "text": "All right, uh Deputy Mayor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 72663.385, "end": 72707.525, "text": "Yeah, happy to second this. Uh I think the timing's right. I'm glad that Counselor Yule brought this forward when he did uh for us to take a look at this. And uh while I may have my own personal opinion in terms of what I think the seating arrangement should look like in here, uh I do agree with uh Counselor Yule's approach here, which is uh let's open it up and put it in the hands of the clerk to go do a little bit of research, come back to us with a recommendation, etc. I think this is the this is the right approach. Like I said, even though I think I know what I'd like to like to see, uh let's uh I this is uh a good time for us to take a look at this and perhaps be able to help us as uh uh as a still somewhat new council have uh have a seating configuration that uh um may be most appropriate for how it is that we want to operate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72711.145, "end": 72717.845, "text": "Okay, I wanted to jump in and I'm I don't mean to split hairs or get too much caught up in technicalities. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72718.725, "end": 72726.905, "text": "typically the verbiage is we direct administration, but here I don't know if it was the intent to specifically direct the chief administrative officer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72727.165, "end": 72730.485, "text": "So of course uh council has the the one employee, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72731.125, "end": 72732.985, "text": "uh usually when" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72733.425, "end": 72737.225, "text": "I I was w wondering for the mover if it was very specifically prescribed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72737.585, "end": 72742.505, "text": "To to direct the CO because it would typically be the or uh city clerk who's delegated to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72742.805, "end": 72744.865, "text": "be responsible for that and just to the mover." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72745.245, "end": 72751.305, "text": "Was the intent that the city manager determine this, or was it in consultation with the city clerk, excluding the city clerk?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72751.765, "end": 72755.085, "text": "So again, I didn't know if I was reading too much into the nuance and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72755.665, "end": 72757.145, "text": "uh maybe the subtext." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72757.585, "end": 72762.025, "text": "And then where my mind went was if we are in the process of recruiting our next city manager" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72762.425, "end": 72765.865, "text": "and we're wanting to co create some of these processes and work with the city manager." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72766.245, "end": 72772.605, "text": "Would it be appropriate that this is something that our incoming CAO would be able to work with our city clerk on?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72772.745, "end": 72774.325, "text": "Or is this to the mover" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72774.845, "end": 72780.945, "text": "what you're looking to have our current city manager decide for the next city manager? So again," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72781.285, "end": 72789.205, "text": "I'm wanting to have as much of an open uh blue sky for next city manager to have influence and feel ownership over some of these decisions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72789.565, "end": 72791.825, "text": "So I'm willing to support this, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72792.185, "end": 72795.165, "text": "I want to make sure that uh we we remain." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72795.405, "end": 72801.045, "text": "Or we keep as many options open as possible for a next city manager to truly assume ownership over" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72801.385, "end": 72803.105, "text": "how they want to structure their team," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72803.545, "end": 72811.445, "text": "uh, how even this chamber and the setting will be. So I think it may be premature if we're tasking our current city manager to undertake this work, say, in the next month." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72811.745, "end": 72814.185, "text": "It would make sense to me that this is something that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72814.845, "end": 72822.805, "text": "obviously not the top priority, but something that's high up on the list of the next city manager when they start in terms of thinking about how it makes sense to them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72823.325, "end": 72823.765, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72824.385, "end": 72829.605, "text": "Uh again, Q4 2026 is a bit ambiguous to me here. I'm not gonna get I'm not gonna leave my chair to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72830.105, "end": 72832.865, "text": "make an amendment to say by the say December" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72833.305, "end": 72834.445, "text": "of 2026, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72834.785, "end": 72841.325, "text": "my hope is in voting for this so that we're gonna have uh the license for next city manager to determine something like this. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72841.685, "end": 72849.725, "text": "I certainly want to know that our uh city clerk and facilities are engaged and involved in this, and it's not purely the city manager that we're asking their opinion for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72849.885, "end": 72850.165, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72850.945, "end": 72853.225, "text": "that's uh my uh brief debate. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72853.725, "end": 72856.625, "text": "I'll also offer uh my my team did a little bit of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72857.385, "end": 72860.965, "text": "Research on how some of the other arrangements are in Toronto." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72861.505, "end": 72867.545, "text": "The city clerk and clerk staff sit at a table directly in front of the speaker dais, whereas the city manager," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72867.985, "end": 72870.605, "text": "solicitor, and deputy city manager sit to either side" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72871.185, "end": 72871.685, "text": "of the mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72871.945, "end": 72874.965, "text": "That's how that works. It's somewhat similar to Calgary, as" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72875.405, "end": 72879.825, "text": "senior administration remains seated near the mayor or the chair of the given meeting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72880.525, "end": 72886.085, "text": "In Edmonton, the mayor and counselors are on the raised council desk, and the city clerk is at a separate table." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72886.565, "end": 72888.665, "text": "Directly in front of administration seated" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72889.105, "end": 72890.805, "text": "uh separately below council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72891.525, "end": 72895.345, "text": "In Vancouver, uh Vancouver has separate desks for the city manager and the clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72895.765, "end": 72901.905, "text": "And they did a 2019 facilities review that considered relocating them and adding senior staff seating," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72902.365, "end": 72906.085, "text": "but recommended retaining the existing mayor and clerk desk partly because of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72906.545, "end": 72909.345, "text": "the heritage and uh space uh constraints." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72909.865, "end": 72913.425, "text": "The motion suggests that Calgary is an anomaly and asks uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72913.865, "end": 72918.505, "text": "Whether the city clerk or another official should sit beside the chair instead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72918.965, "end": 72922.245, "text": "A relatively straightforward scan showed about a third" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72922.585, "end": 72925.865, "text": "of municipalities, we checked about 12 or 15." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72926.105, "end": 72927.285, "text": "About a third had" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72927.645, "end": 72928.925, "text": "the chair or the mayor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72929.425, "end": 72933.025, "text": "sit beside a senior administration official. Two thirds" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72933.365, "end": 72933.805, "text": "didn't." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72934.365, "end": 72938.045, "text": "If I had one personal opinion in terms of what might make" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72938.305, "end": 72940.625, "text": "uh my job a bit easier, would be potentially" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72941.285, "end": 72944.505, "text": "uh as much as I uh appreciate our city solicitor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72945.045, "end": 72949.205, "text": "Uh perhaps the for the month of the deputy mayor, they could be perhaps be seated" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72949.505, "end": 72954.245, "text": "in this uh position. And if I were to leave the meeting, it would be relatively straightforward for the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72954.745, "end": 72961.985, "text": "the deputy to m to remain seated here and share the meeting from from that position rather than make it unwieldy to to swap spots. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72962.585, "end": 72964.145, "text": "again, I'm I'm quite uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72965.425, "end": 72965.865, "text": "I'm quite" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72966.085, "end": 72974.845, "text": "open to this. Uh I want to make sure that the the city clerk is involved in uh leading that review. I know we can't be as prescriptive in terms of who is doing the work, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72975.465, "end": 72975.825, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72976.445, "end": 72977.725, "text": "I'd say also," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72978.725, "end": 72986.365, "text": "again, just want to repeat in good faith, I want our new city manager to have as much ownership as possible over things like this. And I don't necessarily want to lock in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72986.805, "end": 72991.765, "text": "our new city manager to a uh change that may not make sense from their uh perspective. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72992.205, "end": 72993.945, "text": "that's my debate. And thanks uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72994.105, "end": 72995.505, "text": "Counselor Yule for bringing this forward. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 72995.905, "end": 73000.825, "text": "I've really appreciated your uh leadership on the CO uh search committee, and I really love" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73001.165, "end": 73003.425, "text": "how you're bringing some of the the learnings from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73003.945, "end": 73008.085, "text": "Just good governance and how uh various other cities are are run," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73008.505, "end": 73010.765, "text": "not just on the recruitment and the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73010.965, "end": 73014.345, "text": "retention of their city manager, but other learnings from Mr. Cuff and others." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73014.665, "end": 73016.565, "text": "All right, uh Counselor Johnson on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73018.365, "end": 73022.845, "text": "Sorry, I wanted to see if uh solicitor Jill Flowen could go first." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 73026.125, "end": 73030.145, "text": "Sure, thanks. Um just I wanted to comment on the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 73030.545, "end": 73081.525, "text": "Comment about directing the CAO rather than the city clerk. I just want to be really clear with all members of council. The work that's been going on with George Cuff, I also have been having conversations with him, and he's made it clear from a governance standpoint council should be directing the CAO because the CAO is your single employee, and then the CAO can delegate accordingly. I also want to speak to the fact that the city clerk is amazing and she has an enormous amount of work on her plate, and we talk about workloads all the time. And if council is just giving her work, it creates a lot more on her plate that we can't manage. So although she would go above and beyond, and I have no doubt do an amazing job, I guarantee you she will be involved. But if we could keep it maybe up a level or two so that we can make sure that all those workloads can be managed, that would be super helpful." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73082.805, "end": 73083.725, "text": "Counselor Johnson, go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73084.785, "end": 73085.705, "text": "Yeah, I had a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73086.105, "end": 73109.205, "text": "amendment brought forward. I um gave it to the mover um just to see what his thoughts were on it. But essentially it would hopefully create consistency um for the clerk's office and for us. Um I did float the idea of um having a deputy mayor sitting next to the mayor um for their month, um, but that created a potential bit of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73109.985, "end": 73116.225, "text": "added uh work for the clerk's office. Um and so ultimately I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73117.465, "end": 73125.145, "text": "on my amendment it would be that council's up here, administrations down there, and we just shift the GMs that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73126.205, "end": 73136.285, "text": "if they have a uh an agenda item they're here and if there's no agenda item they're off working somewhere else because there's no sense all the GMs being here all day when" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73137.125, "end": 73138.305, "text": "They literally don't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73139.185, "end": 73162.245, "text": "have to contribute or not asked to contribute. Um and so I just think the mayor, the chair had already done the research that this is asking it to do, um, as myself did similar research trying to figure out what other uh jurisdictions are doing. Um and so for me I think we just make the decision now whether we want to change the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73162.625, "end": 73164.225, "text": "administrative seating." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73164.985, "end": 73169.085, "text": "Today instead of four months down the road." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73169.665, "end": 73170.565, "text": "And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73172.105, "end": 73179.085, "text": "I you know, I will bring the amendment up then and just allow us to vote on it and it'd basically be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73181.565, "end": 73190.725, "text": "exactly what I just said. Just council members sit in the horseshoe, administration sits down. I left out the part about the deputy mayor sitting up there," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73191.205, "end": 73197.885, "text": "um, just as it added a little extra work for the clerks to shift their e scribe over." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73199.245, "end": 73214.245, "text": "But I'm sure if that's the will of council, we can make it work. But uh yeah, it's on the screen now if you want to take a quick peruse. But this is our ability just to end this today. And if it's the will of council to change the seating, then we should do it now. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73214.645, "end": 73216.125, "text": "if not, then we're just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73217.245, "end": 73219.685, "text": "gonna have the same conversation four months from now. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73220.265, "end": 73223.945, "text": "um I hope you can smart me in the amendment and we can put an end to this today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73224.845, "end": 73229.125, "text": "Okay, that uh amendment is uh up on the screen. Is it moved by yourself, Counselor Yule?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73229.665, "end": 73230.965, "text": "Or sorry, seconded by Councilor Yule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 73232.285, "end": 73232.505, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73232.825, "end": 73234.045, "text": "Okay, uh is there a seconder" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73234.225, "end": 73234.925, "text": "for this amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73235.985, "end": 73238.825, "text": "It's uh basically as Counselor Johnson just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73239.165, "end": 73239.725, "text": "walked us through." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73242.965, "end": 73245.865, "text": "It's to delete the notice of motion in its entirety" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73246.385, "end": 73254.545, "text": "and uh simply to direct that uh at all meetings of council and meetings or committee mini m meetings of committees of council in the council chamber," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73255.325, "end": 73257.745, "text": "uh basically as councillor Johnston described." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73258.945, "end": 73261.345, "text": "Council up top, administration down below," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73262.025, "end": 73264.245, "text": "just the consistency going forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73264.605, "end": 73268.205, "text": "Um essentially what I believe is gonna be coming back in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73268.405, "end": 73269.605, "text": "December anyway. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73270.185, "end": 73270.385, "text": "yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73270.585, "end": 73271.925, "text": "Okay, is there a seconder, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73273.805, "end": 73275.965, "text": "Okay, I don't believe we have a seconder for this amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73279.305, "end": 73279.505, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73282.505, "end": 73284.985, "text": "Let's uh that there is no" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73285.265, "end": 73285.945, "text": "amendment and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73286.265, "end": 73286.625, "text": "you know," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73287.305, "end": 73289.185, "text": "Deputy Mayor Kelly, would you mind taking the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73290.325, "end": 73292.005, "text": "uh chair, please? I will second the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73312.425, "end": 73316.045, "text": "All right, Mayor Parkas, I'll recognize you for debate or uh to second the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73316.385, "end": 73317.765, "text": "Yep, I I've seconded the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73318.665, "end": 73319.785, "text": "Would you like to offer any debate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73320.725, "end": 73327.745, "text": "Uh yeah, I'll I'll just uh want to say thanks, uh Councillor Johnson, for for bring this forward. You obviously did the homework. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73328.145, "end": 73347.665, "text": "I'm okay with just making a change, you know, if rather than directing work, uh I was quite persuaded by what Council uh uh Miss Flowen said in terms of just workload. Look, I I don't think we need to commission the research. If you want, I can send uh the distribution of what my staff looked into. If we're making a change, uh I think we should just take this off of uh the plate of staff to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73348.345, "end": 73356.065, "text": "Go and educate and research themselves. I think the the motion that Councillor Johnston is uh well written. If we're gonna make a change, let's decide now" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73356.505, "end": 73365.385, "text": "rather than uh commission work later on to study uh later on during our our busiest time. So happy to happy to support this as the secondary, happy to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73366.085, "end": 73371.865, "text": "vote in favor of it as well. Let's be decisive, make a decision rather than just uh make work to to come from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73372.625, "end": 73374.925, "text": "later on in this year. It's gonna be a very busy year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73375.625, "end": 73380.205, "text": "We have a motion on the table. Uh Councillor Tyres, I assume yours is on the main. Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73381.285, "end": 73383.325, "text": "And Councilor Shabot is yours on the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 73386.545, "end": 73388.545, "text": "Yeah, it's uh first that I see it and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 73389.105, "end": 73392.065, "text": "have to actually think about what it is that he's proposing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 73393.025, "end": 73394.725, "text": "and how it compares with now. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 73395.245, "end": 73396.005, "text": "not sure that I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 73396.905, "end": 73398.385, "text": "crazy about the idea of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 73399.265, "end": 73401.285, "text": "of not having administration here. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 73401.445, "end": 73402.885, "text": "think that's what was stated" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 73403.385, "end": 73404.225, "text": "as part of this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 73406.885, "end": 73407.645, "text": "Yeah, no" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 73408.765, "end": 73409.485, "text": "anyways I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 73411.465, "end": 73413.565, "text": "if I'd seen this in advance, maybe I'd" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 73413.865, "end": 73414.625, "text": "consider it but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 73415.465, "end": 73417.005, "text": "no, I'm not gonna do this on the fly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 73417.785, "end": 73418.165, "text": "Oh no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73419.245, "end": 73420.825, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Shabot. Counselor Ewell." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 73422.305, "end": 73422.885, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 73423.965, "end": 73434.105, "text": "I the the way I wrote this was so that we were given recommendations, plural. Um like I I I don't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 73434.705, "end": 73449.385, "text": "I I understand other everybody has their idea of how this should look, and I think we should do the due diligence through the CAO, and that's that's why I wrote it wrote it that way is yes, we are directing the CAO, because that's our only that is our only um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 73449.905, "end": 73455.505, "text": "uh employee here so I like I I'm I'm looking for options uh and so uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 73455.725, "end": 73463.985, "text": "and I would like more buy-in than trying to make the sausage on the on the uh council floor here um and I think if we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 73464.845, "end": 73468.425, "text": "let administration do some due diligence on on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 73468.805, "end": 73479.445, "text": "on this um and have recommendations come back uh then we'll have more buy in from the all of council here uh on the direction that we we want to take. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 73479.685, "end": 73482.065, "text": "I'm not going to support this and I'd appreciate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 73482.745, "end": 73484.625, "text": "others on council not to support this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73486.765, "end": 73490.725, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Ewell. I'm gonna continue going through the the comment here. I see that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73491.105, "end": 73495.605, "text": "Councillor Y Nass would like to make an amendment, but uh Councillor Clark on the amendment first." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73499.485, "end": 73499.865, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73501.025, "end": 73501.525, "text": "sorry" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73502.545, "end": 73509.645, "text": "apologies. I guess that's correct, because we we skipped uh we skipped forward to count uh to solicitor flow, and I apologize, Counselor White Ness." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73509.965, "end": 73513.725, "text": "I thought that was on the main, but if you'd like to do it on the amendment, let's go ahead first." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73514.165, "end": 73517.165, "text": "thank you. It's kind of for both because what is the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73517.465, "end": 73520.485, "text": "cost of this? Are you expecting another renovation of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73520.885, "end": 73524.925, "text": "are we using existing infrastructure? I think that needs to be clarified by both of them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73525.345, "end": 73528.925, "text": "I'm also challenged at the time that this entire organization" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73530.085, "end": 73530.565, "text": "has" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73530.925, "end": 73533.365, "text": "interim executive leadership and changeover." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73533.645, "end": 73535.345, "text": "We're deciding where people sit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73535.845, "end": 73536.405, "text": "I'm like," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73536.585, "end": 73539.185, "text": "this is it. We were in a meeting all week last week," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73539.545, "end": 73546.245, "text": "and now we are here going on trying to figure out the budget, and our top priority is the seating arrangement of this room." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73546.665, "end": 73550.085, "text": "I'm challenged by how to vote with a report back when" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73550.345, "end": 73552.905, "text": "the mayor has even acknowledged that he would prefer" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73553.425, "end": 73554.925, "text": "that we let the new CAO." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73555.365, "end": 73556.545, "text": "Do make this decision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73556.905, "end": 73563.825, "text": "So which is it? Are we going to focus on our leadership and creating stability for this organization and a solid budget to deliver for Calgarians?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73564.165, "end": 73568.005, "text": "Or are we going to debate seating charts? Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73568.305, "end": 73569.485, "text": "doesn't change the outcome." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73569.785, "end": 73573.045, "text": "Let's focus on governance here, and I guess I will use it for both" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73573.325, "end": 73575.745, "text": "because I'm not going to support this or the other one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73576.105, "end": 73577.985, "text": "And we got to start thinking about our timing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73578.225, "end": 73581.465, "text": "on when we direct this organization. This is not the time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73581.845, "end": 73583.285, "text": "The outcome might be okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73583.525, "end": 73586.685, "text": "But it has to be when we've created stability for this organization," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 73586.945, "end": 73588.685, "text": "do we then figure out our seating chart?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73590.885, "end": 73596.405, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Yes. I see that you're also in the chat later on for an amendment. Do you want me to go to you at that point or did you want to make it now?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73598.905, "end": 73602.425, "text": "I'll go to it later. That's okay. Uh Councillor Clark, you've been waiting patiently." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 73602.585, "end": 73603.125, "text": "Thank you, sir." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 73603.445, "end": 73604.025, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 73604.825, "end": 73606.025, "text": "yeah, I've I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 73606.585, "end": 73609.945, "text": "also don't believe I've ever seen this before and so um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 73610.085, "end": 73616.625, "text": "I'm not going to support it, but I also just want to acknowledge that uh we've set counselor um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 73617.445, "end": 73665.185, "text": "to the gentleman to my left here, pardon me. Counselor Yule, it's been a long, long week. Uh we've appointed this man to uh take care of this work and set this in motion. I don't know that I think what was a rather simple uh notice of motion has now become something more complex for no apparent reason, uh, to Councillor Y Ness's point. Um and so I'm I'm more interested in supporting his efforts. And I think the the criticisms that we've we've put forward and the way that this has been discussed is uh kind of counter to uh the empowerment that we've we've given this gentleman to uh do this work. So uh disappointed with I I will always appreciate good conversation, but I find this one to be a bit disappointing. It's rather simple. I'm happy to support the main, won't support the amendment. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73666.525, "end": 73673.125, "text": "Thank you, Counselor. Uh I'm not seeing anyone else on the amendment. One last chance. Anyone else on the amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73674.425, "end": 73676.385, "text": "Over to you then, Councillor Johnson, to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73676.925, "end": 73678.645, "text": "Yeah, just to the clerk's office." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73678.985, "end": 73679.465, "text": "Will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73679.665, "end": 73681.245, "text": "seating arrangement cost any money?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 73683.665, "end": 73690.165, "text": "Thank you for the question, Councillor Johnston. Um part of the analysis would be to determine where all of administration will fit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 73690.525, "end": 73697.685, "text": "I think the starting point will be to look at the existing space that we have and bring council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 73698.085, "end": 73712.765, "text": "an option. In terms of seating, any changes to where a deputy mayor will permanently sit, that would certainly require some time to rearrange e scribe, but aside from that, I can't think of any other cost off the top of my head." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 73713.405, "end": 73714.325, "text": "And that would be minimal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73716.185, "end": 73716.945, "text": "Right, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73717.305, "end": 73721.085, "text": "the amendment is that the deputy mayor stays where he sits and doesn't go" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73721.765, "end": 73722.745, "text": "for the month. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 73722.945, "end": 73723.805, "text": "That's right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 73723.945, "end": 73729.205, "text": "So that there would be no cost associated with managing the logistics of e voting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73729.565, "end": 73736.425, "text": "outside of the research that we have presented, is there any other research that you and your office will be doing for the main motion on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 73738.845, "end": 73747.565, "text": "Premature to answer that completely, I would say, Counselor Johnston. I know that a couple examples have been shared. I would certainly want to look at the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 73747.885, "end": 73752.945, "text": "setup of other offices myself so that I could come prepared to give you a recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 73753.245, "end": 73759.165, "text": "But I do imagine myself looking into similar things that yourself and Mayor Farkas have already spoken about." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73760.385, "end": 73762.905, "text": "Um and just to the other counselors. Like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73764.005, "end": 73764.285, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73764.925, "end": 73767.745, "text": "this is basically what I believe is gonna come" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73768.325, "end": 73773.265, "text": "in December, based off of the research and based off of George Cuff's own" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73773.545, "end": 73774.205, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73775.465, "end": 73803.425, "text": "Books, right? And so I put all that research into what I think would be the easiest, most consistent for the clerks, and that will cost zero money, and it actually save us money if we bring who we want here during council meetings and then allow the GMs who have nothing on the agenda to go actually work. To me, this is very simple. We're just basically complementing the mover's uh initiative on this, and I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73803.925, "end": 73807.905, "text": "he he sorry, the counselor brought this to the floor, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 73808.625, "end": 73820.565, "text": "I just thought I could do the research uh for him and then bring us to the conclusion before having to get a report back that I believe will be exactly this. So I hope you guys can support the amendment. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73823.045, "end": 73829.245, "text": "Thank you very much, Councillor Johnson. Let's engage the e-vote on the amendment, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 73844.385, "end": 73845.605, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73845.865, "end": 73846.125, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 73846.665, "end": 73846.985, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 73848.205, "end": 73850.345, "text": "Deputy Mayor Kelly, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73850.625, "end": 73852.025, "text": "Let's display the results, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73854.965, "end": 73862.685, "text": "And on that, the motion is defeated. And if you'll permit me, I will say Councilor Johnson and Mayor Farkas are in favor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73863.465, "end": 73866.205, "text": "Before I hand the chair back to the mayor," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73866.585, "end": 73871.905, "text": "just because Councillor Tyres was uh very patiently earlier in the queue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 73872.065, "end": 73875.205, "text": "I just wanted to uh hand it over to you uh on the main." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 73876.565, "end": 73910.545, "text": "Thank you, Chair. Um I was going to build on what Councillor Wynus was saying. This is a massive waste of time and resources. We have so many people that work for us that are sitting here listening to us debate about seating arrangements. Um it doesn't matter where anybody's sitting, they're gonna be doing the same work for us. And if we have a good CAO, they'll be able to figure out how to work effectively with both the ELT and council. I'm gonna vote against this. This we've got better things to do, and this is just make work project, in my opinion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73917.825, "end": 73921.025, "text": "All right. Uh Councillor Tyres has spoken." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 73922.405, "end": 73924.545, "text": "Councillor Schmidt on the main, I believe you're next." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 73924.985, "end": 73950.545, "text": "I'm wondering how much the cost of doing this is compared to the cost of uh bringing back water bottles. No, I I tracked that, I'm kidding, I'll move on. Um so I think I I appreciate that Councillor Yule worked closely with um George Cuff on this and um explained his reasoning very well, especially from his position being chair of the CAO committee. I think this is part of." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 73951.225, "end": 73952.625, "text": "The work that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 73953.525, "end": 73955.145, "text": "we can do to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 73955.565, "end": 73956.505, "text": "ensure that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 73957.185, "end": 73959.945, "text": "what we are presenting to the public here" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 73960.945, "end": 73961.665, "text": "is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 73962.505, "end": 73970.085, "text": "the most effective presentation that we can create. And you know, he counsel you'll shared the documents" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 73970.345, "end": 73973.765, "text": "from uh Mr. Cuff and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 73974.745, "end": 73976.685, "text": "really provided" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 73977.225, "end": 73990.185, "text": "a foundation for why this is important and especially as we move forward into a new era here with us. Um I think a refresh is something that is simple and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 73990.685, "end": 73994.745, "text": "could have results that benefit everybody who" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 73995.465, "end": 74019.385, "text": "You know, has to spend so much time in here and uh you know thinking of bringing some baby pictures to put up top here just because it make it feel more like home. But the the best that that can the best we can make this work is a benefit to all of us, and I think that what Councillor Yule doing here is doing here is very thoughtful and will lead us towards that. So I'll definitely be supporting this today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74021.505, "end": 74022.325, "text": "All right, Councilor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 74023.925, "end": 74025.385, "text": "Yeah, thank you, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 74025.965, "end": 74068.525, "text": "Your worship and yeah, thank you to Councillor Yule for the work that you've done as part of the CAO sub uh subcommittee. And uh and I hope that um Mr. Cuff gets the chance to observe uh the outcomes of bringing this forward. I hope he's able to watch this video and can provide some feedback on on uh on that. But yeah, because I think again it's uh we're discounting the efforts being made both by the committee and uh and by those that we've we're paying uh to support in the efforts of of this uh transition, this reorg. Um so I will support this. And um uh just as a side comment here, I mean, like again, something so simple becoming such an elaborate show feels quite performative. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74070.405, "end": 74071.625, "text": "All right, uh Councilor Do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 74072.225, "end": 74074.125, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. When I saw this norm," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 74074.425, "end": 74076.645, "text": "I was wondering what are we trying to fix here?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 74076.845, "end": 74080.425, "text": "Uh I've been in here for the last four and a half years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 74081.245, "end": 74083.725, "text": "It's been effective, it's been working." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 74084.305, "end": 74089.785, "text": "Uh uh I haven't seen any issue. Actually, having when I'm chair, having" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 74089.945, "end": 74094.365, "text": "GM next to me is actually helpful. Uh, you can reach out for clarification and all that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 74095.265, "end": 74096.565, "text": "I'm leaning towards no," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 74097.025, "end": 74115.725, "text": "unless Council Yulia can convince me uh why we need to really, really do this. Uh I'll be happy to support at that point because we are just exploring this. Uh, but I'm really uh what I've seen in the last four and a half years, uh it's been working, and I don't know why we need to change this. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74119.885, "end": 74123.865, "text": "All right. Uh I may have misheard uh Councilor Wyness. Did you have an amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74124.545, "end": 74125.065, "text": "Nope." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74126.165, "end": 74129.025, "text": "All right. Uh on the main, uh Councillor Johnston, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 74130.385, "end": 74135.905, "text": "Yeah, so I've heard the word performative a couple times here, but um as far as I can tell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 74136.885, "end": 74152.825, "text": "all my notices of motion have uh passed without reports back. Um all I did was try to appreciate that somebody brought a notice of motion forward and to bring a resolution to it before anything else had to be inputted on it, right? Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 74153.965, "end": 74165.725, "text": "we could have ended this conversation. There's no performance on this. I'm not gaining, nobody's really gaining anything from this other than the mover bringing something forward that simple research could have been done in 10 minutes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 74167.545, "end": 74168.445, "text": "But here we are." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 74169.045, "end": 74179.725, "text": "I tried to do try to help them out, try to help out the the counselor that brought this forward to put an end to it with what I can. I believe what is going to come back to us. So um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 74180.405, "end": 74192.305, "text": "I'll probably say I told you so back in when it comes forward. But um yeah, don't support this. It's not gonna do anything. Um let the next CEO decide if that's what uh we want to move forward. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 74192.865, "end": 74194.165, "text": "Sorry, sorry for trying to help." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74197.105, "end": 74198.105, "text": "All right, Councilor Yule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 74200.325, "end": 74201.565, "text": "All right. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 74202.365, "end": 74276.305, "text": "So this is our decision. And and I would argue not the new CAO's decision. This is the people's chamber. This is Calgary's chamber. And I the reason behind this notice of motion is to make it more simplified for Calgarians to understand what this horseshoe is and what it means. And I think uh I think it's important to do the work. I think uh the work is is fairly minimal, as we heard from the clerk, uh, to get some options in front of council uh so that we can we can make a decision. Uh I I appreciate um Councillor Johnston's I idea that this is where it's gonna end up and and maybe it will, and and I think that's okay, but I think we've got to do the due diligence first uh to make sure that yeah, we have all the options on the table and we can make sure that we as a council are making the proper decisions for Calgarians because this is the Calgarians' chamber and not ours, not the CAO's. This is Calgarian's chamber, and it needs to make sense to the average Calgarian. So please support this so that we can do the work to make sure that Calgarians understand what this horseshoe is. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74282.305, "end": 74284.845, "text": "That's up on the screen. Uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the evo, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 74295.525, "end": 74296.725, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74299.325, "end": 74299.645, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 74301.145, "end": 74302.825, "text": "Thank you. Mayor, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74303.345, "end": 74304.665, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74310.525, "end": 74316.945, "text": "On that motion, it is carried eight to seven with counselors Ward, Johnston, Jameis Entire, Shabot, Weyness, and McClain opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74318.265, "end": 74319.305, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74321.485, "end": 74324.805, "text": "Madam Clerk, you gotta help me out here. I think we're done public items, is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 74325.045, "end": 74333.565, "text": "That's right, Mayor Farkas. We are now moving into section 12.1, consent agenda items selected for debate. There's one item 7.16." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 74334.345, "end": 74335.425, "text": "And that was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 74337.225, "end": 74339.925, "text": "Cooperative Stormwater Management Initiative." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74340.225, "end": 74342.505, "text": "And then there's also gonna be regular update with CAO." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 74342.965, "end": 74344.285, "text": "That will be the next one, yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74344.425, "end": 74346.025, "text": "Okay, could we uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74347.725, "end": 74354.685, "text": "is it just general consent to allow for uh the conclusion of the remaining items without going on a break? Or do we need a suspension of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74355.245, "end": 74355.885, "text": "procedure bylaw?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 74356.285, "end": 74359.965, "text": "We would need a suspension if we're going not to have a lunch recess." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74360.365, "end": 74364.365, "text": "Okay, can I get a mover for that so that we just deal with the two items and don't have to stop at noon?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74364.725, "end": 74367.865, "text": "Okay, moved by uh counselor Schmidt, uh seconded by Deputy Mayor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74369.025, "end": 74373.545, "text": "Uh that's the suspension of the procedure bylaw to allow for the conclusion of these. Uh all in favor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74374.565, "end": 74375.485, "text": "Uh any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74376.345, "end": 74378.065, "text": "Uh Counselor Jameson is opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74378.365, "end": 74379.945, "text": "Okay, and that motion has carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74380.765, "end": 74384.465, "text": "All right. Uh let's prepare the uh verbiage for moving into uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74385.005, "end": 74385.965, "text": "our closed meeting, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74391.525, "end": 74393.365, "text": "I I believe we'll go into uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74393.825, "end": 74396.805, "text": "or sorry, we'll we we're now arriving at the stormwater item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 74397.305, "end": 74405.445, "text": "That's correct, Mayor Farkas. And I believe it was Councillor Ward that had pulled it. I'm not sure if there is a need to move into closed for that one, but we can certainly prepare it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 74405.945, "end": 74407.065, "text": "I don't believe there is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74407.305, "end": 74412.685, "text": "Okay. Uh let's uh I'll seek a mover for that. Uh as chair of IGA, Councilor McClain, would you like to move that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74414.245, "end": 74415.345, "text": "Seconded by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74416.105, "end": 74418.245, "text": "Seconded by Councillor Chabot. All right, that's on the table." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74419.345, "end": 74420.505, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74420.885, "end": 74425.845, "text": "Were there any uh process motions required from Counselor Ward to do so? Counselor Ward, go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 74426.085, "end": 74463.765, "text": "Yeah, so just an an amendment. And it's an amendment. Uh the clerks have it. It's to correct two clerical errors identified by administration following the consideration of the report at the IGA. So one is just a revised presentation to correct a typing error essentially, just a number was incorrect, and then recommended it. Recommendation three is being updated to remove attachment three from the list of documents to be publicly released if council approves recommendation one. So attachment three was inadvertently included in the public release recommendation when the report was considered by IGA. So it's just two very simple clerical cleanups, that's all." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74464.265, "end": 74466.685, "text": "All right, move over, Councilor Chabot. We got somebody with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74466.965, "end": 74467.705, "text": "eagle eyes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74468.685, "end": 74470.645, "text": "All right, uh is there seconder for this uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74470.785, "end": 74471.505, "text": "clerical adjustment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74472.905, "end": 74474.205, "text": "Second by uh Counselor Ewell." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74475.025, "end": 74476.785, "text": "On that, uh let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 74490.885, "end": 74492.125, "text": "Councilor Clark, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 74492.565, "end": 74493.145, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 74493.825, "end": 74494.645, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74495.045, "end": 74496.385, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74500.285, "end": 74502.305, "text": "All right, that motion is carried 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74503.105, "end": 74505.085, "text": "Uh can I go to you to close, Councilor McLean?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 74506.265, "end": 74506.685, "text": "closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74507.325, "end": 74509.685, "text": "All right, let's engage the vote on the uh main as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 74518.925, "end": 74521.325, "text": "Counselor Johnston, thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74521.745, "end": 74523.045, "text": "All right, please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74529.045, "end": 74531.285, "text": "On that, the uh motion is carried 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74535.225, "end": 74536.805, "text": "All right, now I think we're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74537.585, "end": 74540.265, "text": "at the end and we only have our regular update with uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74540.645, "end": 74541.025, "text": "CAO." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74541.925, "end": 74542.165, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74542.565, "end": 74545.965, "text": "Uh the verbiage is on the screen to move into closed session with our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74546.905, "end": 74549.205, "text": "CAO. Can I please have a mover and seconder for that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74549.465, "end": 74550.645, "text": "Move by Deputy Mayor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74551.045, "end": 74552.465, "text": "second by Councillor Daliwall," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74552.945, "end": 74554.765, "text": "and let's engage the vote on that, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 74567.045, "end": 74570.405, "text": "Counselor Clark, your vote, please. Thank you. Counselor Tyres, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74570.425, "end": 74570.725, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 74571.025, "end": 74571.585, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 74572.085, "end": 74573.485, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74574.105, "end": 74575.425, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 74584.685, "end": 74587.745, "text": "Thank you. The motion is carried 14 to 1 with Councilor Johnson opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 75722.625, "end": 75727.565, "text": "Regular meeting of council will be resuming in public meeting shortly. Please make your way back to council chamber." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 75947.925, "end": 75948.745, "text": "Welcome back" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 75952.085, "end": 75953.225, "text": "to Calgary City Council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 75955.385, "end": 75956.125, "text": "Madam Clerk," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 75957.865, "end": 75959.685, "text": "please establish quorum and call the rule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75960.285, "end": 75963.205, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Counselor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 75964.605, "end": 75965.505, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75966.165, "end": 75967.265, "text": "Counselor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 75967.325, "end": 75967.505, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75967.965, "end": 75968.845, "text": "Counselor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 75969.225, "end": 75969.765, "text": "Still here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75970.145, "end": 75971.065, "text": "Counselor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75972.445, "end": 75973.865, "text": "Counselor Pantazo." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75975.945, "end": 75976.685, "text": "Counselor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75977.525, "end": 75978.605, "text": "Counselor Tyres." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75979.345, "end": 75980.205, "text": "Counselor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75980.665, "end": 75981.785, "text": "Councillor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75982.225, "end": 75983.185, "text": "Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75983.505, "end": 75984.705, "text": "Councillor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75984.945, "end": 75985.765, "text": "Councillor Chabot," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 75985.905, "end": 75986.165, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75986.205, "end": 75987.025, "text": "Councilor Clerk," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 75987.365, "end": 75988.025, "text": "Never left." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75988.225, "end": 75989.185, "text": "Councillor Dollywell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75989.525, "end": 75990.585, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 75990.665, "end": 75992.425, "text": "Councilor Jameson says president." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 75993.465, "end": 75993.985, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 75994.765, "end": 75998.165, "text": "All right, can I uh please have a motion to rise" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 75999.825, "end": 76000.645, "text": "without reporting?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76001.505, "end": 76004.965, "text": "End report. Okay, we're gonna rise end report. Move by Deputy Mayor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76005.505, "end": 76006.825, "text": "seconded by uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76006.965, "end": 76008.945, "text": "Councilor Panasopoulos. All in favor on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76009.865, "end": 76010.565, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76011.125, "end": 76012.805, "text": "Seeing none, that motion is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76015.745, "end": 76017.125, "text": "And we'll get the next one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76017.345, "end": 76017.865, "text": "up on the screen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76019.365, "end": 76023.285, "text": "Can we see the the language to to hold uh confidential the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76024.505, "end": 76026.785, "text": "confidential matters? Uh can I please have a mover?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76028.085, "end": 76030.545, "text": "Moved by councillor Atkinson, second by counselor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76031.005, "end": 76032.485, "text": "On that, uh all in favor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76033.445, "end": 76034.185, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76034.625, "end": 76036.425, "text": "Seeing none, that motion is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76037.025, "end": 76038.725, "text": "Can I please have a uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76038.985, "end": 76041.445, "text": "uh is there any other business colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76041.925, "end": 76042.205, "text": "No" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 76042.945, "end": 76043.485, "text": "Nope, Councillor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76043.485, "end": 76044.345, "text": "Ministry of Inquiries?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76045.365, "end": 76045.625, "text": "Okay," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76046.065, "end": 76048.645, "text": "all right. Uh may I please have a motion to adjourn?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76050.905, "end": 76052.485, "text": "Man, I've never seen so many hands." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76052.645, "end": 76055.205, "text": "All right, uh Councillor Chabot has made that motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76055.625, "end": 76057.545, "text": "That's been seconded by Councillor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76058.065, "end": 76059.605, "text": "Um any debate on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76060.565, "end": 76062.285, "text": "All right, seeing no debate, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76063.385, "end": 76065.125, "text": "let's engage in that just kidding. All in favor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76065.985, "end": 76066.685, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 76066.845, "end": 76071.285, "text": "Seeing none, uh that motion is carried. 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