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On the roll, Councillor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 925.785, "end": 926.825, "text": "Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 927.145, "end": 927.365, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 927.685, "end": 928.845, "text": "Councillor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 929.245, "end": 930.145, "text": "Councillor Chabot," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 930.645, "end": 930.965, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 931.145, "end": 932.045, "text": "Councillor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 932.105, "end": 932.425, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 932.545, "end": 933.585, "text": "Councillor Dollywall," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 935.205, "end": 936.265, "text": "Councillor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 936.425, "end": 936.785, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 936.945, "end": 938.065, "text": "Councillor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 939.325, "end": 940.185, "text": "Councillor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 940.305, "end": 940.605, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 940.765, "end": 941.605, "text": "Counselor McLean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 942.085, "end": 942.325, "text": "Good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 942.485, "end": 945.045, "text": "Counselor Pentasopoulos, Councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 945.265, "end": 946.565, "text": "Councillor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 946.905, "end": 947.925, "text": "Councillor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 948.245, "end": 949.445, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 949.665, "end": 949.985, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 950.065, "end": 950.605, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 951.685, "end": 954.965, "text": "Oki Ambawastish Danitra Tanche." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 955.165, "end": 960.925, "text": "Indigenous peoples have their own names for this area that have been in use long before settlers named this place Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 961.365, "end": 963.705, "text": "In the Blackfoot language, it is called Mokinstis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 964.025, "end": 969.045, "text": "The Ethka Nakota Westabi First Nations refer to this place as Wichispa Oyede," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 969.505, "end": 972.265, "text": "and the people of the Satuna nation call it Gutstis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 972.685, "end": 975.185, "text": "The Metis call the Calgary area Otasquini." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 975.645, "end": 983.625, "text": "We appreciate and acknowledge that we are gathered on the ancestral and traditional territory of the Blackfoot Nations of the Sikh Sika, Pikani, and Kainai First Nations, the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 984.005, "end": 987.405, "text": "Esken Nokoda Wastabi First Nations, comprised of the Chinniki," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 987.745, "end": 989.865, "text": "Berispa and Goodstone First Nations," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 990.245, "end": 992.065, "text": "and the Satina First Nation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 992.485, "end": 995.745, "text": "The city of Calgary is also homeland to the storic Northwest Metis" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 996.045, "end": 999.785, "text": "and to the Atibanswa Metis government, Metis Nation Battle River Territory," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1000.145, "end": 1001.745, "text": "Nosehill Metis District 5." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1002.105, "end": 1003.965, "text": "In Elbow Metis District 6." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1004.305, "end": 1008.445, "text": "We acknowledge and give gratitude to the many First Nations, Metis, and Inuit" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1008.725, "end": 1010.985, "text": "who live here and call Calgary home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1013.685, "end": 1017.065, "text": "All right. May I please have a mover for confirmation of agenda?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1019.485, "end": 1026.125, "text": "Moved by Councillor Kelly. The uh agenda is on the table. Uh over to uh Councillor Ward, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1026.965, "end": 1045.785, "text": "Yes, I'd just like to amend the agenda here. We have community groups here to speak to the Council Community Fund initiatives. So if we could please move uh in this order 7.7, 7.9, and 7.8 to the front of the agenda. And that's just the order that these applications came in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1046.205, "end": 1048.685, "text": "to administration. So just to put them in order." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1049.405, "end": 1057.765, "text": "All right, so that uh amendments on the floor from uh Councilor Ward. Uh absolutely let's uh accommodate the members of the public present. Uh happy to support this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1057.945, "end": 1059.865, "text": "Any further debate on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1062.245, "end": 1070.625, "text": "Alright, seeing none, let's engage the vote on amending the agenda to allow for the community fund reports to be dealt with immediately after consent agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1090.285, "end": 1093.465, "text": "Councillor Jameson, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1093.565, "end": 1093.905, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1095.445, "end": 1096.905, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1097.545, "end": 1099.045, "text": "Alright, uh please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1102.045, "end": 1108.125, "text": "Alright, that uh motion is carried. The agenda has been amended to allow for those items to be heard uh first after the consent agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1108.625, "end": 1110.845, "text": "Uh going over next to Councillor Panasopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1110.945, "end": 1112.185, "text": "Thank you so much, Mr. Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1112.205, "end": 1114.025, "text": "So sorry I missed you in the QS on micro." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1114.025, "end": 1135.965, "text": "That was more important. No, absolutely. Uh 7.4. Uh I'd like to refer that back to administration to come back in Q4. Uh understand from administration there's still some work. There's been several questions and commentary, and administration just wants to bring back a little more analysis to understand. Uh CFO Tolker, if there's anything to add specifically to that, uh your thoughts and uh specifically what's required. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 1136.965, "end": 1153.465, "text": "Um thank you. In terms of uh what we have um upon further review and some conversations, uh like I said we'd like to take it away. Some of the items that are in the policy as it stands should uh be moved to procedures and so we'll be taking a look at that and then bringing back something uh more refined." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1154.985, "end": 1158.185, "text": "Thank you. I'll uh just jump in uh briefly on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1158.525, "end": 1166.865, "text": "I try to make sure that our referrals to administration have pretty adequately defined scope. I I don't like the idea of council just simply punting something back without uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1167.445, "end": 1169.165, "text": "uh clear expectations of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1169.485, "end": 1172.905, "text": "of you and of us. Uh so I just read for further work" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1173.345, "end": 1174.785, "text": "there. It seems relatively" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1175.445, "end": 1183.005, "text": "vague or ambiguous. I just want to make sure uh from you, CFO Tucker, that uh you kind of understand what's being asked of you and uh what you're hoping to bring back." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 1184.225, "end": 1185.805, "text": "Yes, I believe we have clarity on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 1185.965, "end": 1186.865, "text": "on what's expected." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1187.145, "end": 1187.805, "text": "Yep, sounds good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1188.445, "end": 1189.625, "text": "Uh Counselor Chabot on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1192.785, "end": 1193.625, "text": "I was um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1194.725, "end": 1195.225, "text": "kind of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1196.665, "end": 1198.345, "text": "interested in having a conversation about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1198.565, "end": 1199.885, "text": "a few items on uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1200.305, "end": 1203.705, "text": "the agenda specific and specifically in relations to this item," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1204.325, "end": 1207.005, "text": "um, primarily around the uh rescinding" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1207.525, "end": 1209.285, "text": "of the fiscal stability reserve." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1210.005, "end": 1213.965, "text": "Uh I do have other questions about some other reserves and how all of this is gonna play out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1214.425, "end": 1216.205, "text": "My understanding is that we have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1217.185, "end": 1226.105, "text": "created a new policy, but we have yet to create a new policy around FSR, or do we have a new policy under the new direction that you've given already?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 1228.605, "end": 1250.565, "text": "So, in terms of some of the information we have, we have new direction around overall the reserves and some of the existing policies we had would then need to be either removed or adjusted to align with that new direction. And so that's some of the work we're going to get to come back with a little more clarity and to make sure it hangs together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1251.425, "end": 1254.165, "text": "Yeah, that's kind of where I was gonna go with this. It's kind of hard to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1254.305, "end": 1257.145, "text": "rescind something unless you've got something to replace it with." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1258.705, "end": 1259.205, "text": "Anyways," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1259.445, "end": 1262.185, "text": "um hopefully we can have a discussion around this offline" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1262.585, "end": 1267.605, "text": "uh between now and when you come back to executive. I'd like further clarity around a couple of other things as well. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1268.005, "end": 1268.265, "text": "For sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1270.465, "end": 1275.625, "text": "Okay. Any further discussion on uh this uh uh referral by amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1277.665, "end": 1279.385, "text": "Okay, seeing none, do you want to close on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1280.325, "end": 1293.565, "text": "Thank you. I echo Councilor Chabot's comments. The FSR, that was one that jumped out to me and I had several questions, so looking forward to that clarity. It's so critical as we look to fund things out of the budget cycle. So certainly excited to get the additional information. Thanks so much. Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1295.385, "end": 1297.845, "text": "All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1298.545, "end": 1299.505, "text": "on the motion up on the screen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1320.245, "end": 1321.785, "text": "Counselor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 1321.865, "end": 1322.205, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1322.505, "end": 1323.125, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1335.205, "end": 1336.485, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1336.685, "end": 1337.005, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1337.245, "end": 1337.825, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1338.885, "end": 1347.365, "text": "Because Counselor Johnston joined while the voting was in progress, the display will only account for the members who are here at roll call." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1347.565, "end": 1352.405, "text": "So he will not be accounted for on the display, but his vote has been recorded as a yes for the minutes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1352.825, "end": 1353.565, "text": "Thank you, Madam Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1355.805, "end": 1357.025, "text": "Let's uh display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1360.265, "end": 1366.725, "text": "So that motion has been carried. Uh it's 14 to 0 with uh councillor Johnston uh recognized as voting for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1369.245, "end": 1372.385, "text": "All right, uh anyone else on the agenda as amended?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1375.085, "end": 1380.605, "text": "Okay. Seeing none, uh let's uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the e vote on approving the agenda as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1395.985, "end": 1397.545, "text": "Counselor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 1398.065, "end": 1398.465, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1398.685, "end": 1399.185, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1399.465, "end": 1400.805, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1401.445, "end": 1402.925, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1406.085, "end": 1410.165, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 14 to 0. The agenda is amended as approved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1410.625, "end": 1414.765, "text": "Can I please have a mover for confirmation of the minutes 2026 June 9?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1417.185, "end": 1419.065, "text": "Moved by Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1419.425, "end": 1422.145, "text": "Any discussion on the minutes?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1424.885, "end": 1431.325, "text": "Okay. Seeing none, uh, Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote on the approval of the uh minutes of 2026 June 9. Executive committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1439.265, "end": 1440.705, "text": "Councilor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1440.905, "end": 1441.285, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1441.425, "end": 1441.945, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1442.305, "end": 1443.665, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1444.285, "end": 1445.625, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1449.405, "end": 1452.745, "text": "The minutes have been approved. The motion is carried 14 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1453.345, "end": 1456.685, "text": "Can I please have a mover for uh consent agenda omnibus motion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1457.525, "end": 1458.085, "text": "Counselor Kelly?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1458.725, "end": 1459.845, "text": "Okay. All right. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1460.685, "end": 1463.285, "text": "any requests to pull any of the notice of motion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 1465.365, "end": 1466.965, "text": "Uh yeah, I'd like to pull" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 1468.545, "end": 1469.305, "text": "one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 1470.445, "end": 1472.285, "text": "uh f yeah, five point two point one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1473.985, "end": 1474.845, "text": "Okay. Anyone else?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 1475.045, "end": 1476.105, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 1478.085, "end": 1478.705, "text": "two" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 1479.925, "end": 1480.405, "text": "and three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1481.305, "end": 1481.545, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1482.085, "end": 1484.505, "text": "Counselor Johnston has pulled all of the notices of motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1485.745, "end": 1486.865, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1487.305, "end": 1489.705, "text": "at that point, do we no longer have an omnibus motion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1490.025, "end": 1492.345, "text": "That's correct, Mayor. There's no there's no vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1492.545, "end": 1495.765, "text": "Okay, so there's uh no vote on any of that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1496.685, "end": 1500.385, "text": "We'll now move to the consent agenda items" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1501.505, "end": 1503.425, "text": "selected for debate. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1503.865, "end": 1507.765, "text": "We're now on section 7, 7.1. Or Madam Clerk, go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1508.085, "end": 1511.025, "text": "We will move to item 7.7 because we said" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1511.025, "end": 1512.685, "text": "Oh, okay. Yes. Awesome. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1512.865, "end": 1515.365, "text": "All right, uh 7.7 uh is first up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1516.065, "end": 1519.305, "text": "We're on community fund report, Metal Lark Community Association." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1524.545, "end": 1525.685, "text": "Good morning, committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1527.285, "end": 1535.905, "text": "Tim Mowery, manager of community partners, and I have the privilege of presenting the next three items, which are applications for council community" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1536.225, "end": 1569.245, "text": "funds for community projects. So the first one up is Meadowlark Park, and I'm pleased to note that we are joined by volunteers from Meadowlark Park here in the audience supporting this application. The purpose of this report is to approve a council community fund for Meadowlark Park Community Association for the construction of a community gathering plaza and an adjacent bicycle pump track and skills park. The Ward 11 Counselor, Councillor Ward, is the sponsoring counselor for this application. He'll be presenting more details in just a moment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1569.925, "end": 1570.805, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1572.165, "end": 1585.905, "text": "For all of these uh applications, so this and the subsequent two, the previous uh council direction was to create the fund in 2019 and then to update the terms of reference in 2024. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1588.065, "end": 1600.205, "text": "The recommendations before you are to approve a one-time funding request of $355,000 for the Council Community Fund application for Meadowlark Park Community Association's Community Gathering Plaza" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1600.545, "end": 1607.705, "text": "and Bike Park Project, and two to direct administration to report back to the executive committee within 12 months of project completion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1608.605, "end": 1609.385, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1611.185, "end": 1614.625, "text": "And I will now turn it over to Councillor Ward to speak to the highlights of this application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1617.185, "end": 1647.225, "text": "Thank you. Good morning, Executive Committee. I'm pleased to speak in support of Metallaric Park Community Association's application for $355,000 from the Council Community Fund. This funding will support, as we heard, their green space revitalization and community gathering plaza and bike park project. This project will add to their current amenities and will ensure access to vital green spaces and gathering spaces for the growing community and surrounding areas. If we can go to the next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1649.185, "end": 1751.665, "text": "The total project cost of approximately 1.1 million reflects the ambitious vision of the community association. I'll note that their motto for their community association is small but mighty. They are very small but very mighty as well. This funding will support the development of a community gathering plaza, including a CAN canteen, a publicly accessible bicycle pump track and skills park, as well as pathway connections and seating areas. These amenities will be valuable additions to a new license of occupation site and will benefit residents of Meadowlark Park and the surrounding communities. The project will strengthen community connections, expand programs and services, encourage healthy and active recreation, and create a welcoming space for residents and visitors alike. All together, this initiative will contribute to a more inclusive, vibrant, and resilient community. Meadowlark Park Community Association has shown strong leadership and commitment in advancing this project. Phase one will deliver a community gathering plaza with movable seating, a CAN canteen and bike racks, followed by Phase 2's pump track and skills park. The community association has already secured significant funding through the Government of Alberta's community facility enhancement program, additional grants, private and corporate donations, and its own contributions. An investment of $355,000 from the Council Community Fund would narrow the remaining gap. With additional grant decisions pending and ongoing fundraising efforts, the project is very well positioned to proceed and provide a valuable amenity for both residents and the broader community. If we can go to the next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1753.285, "end": 1764.965, "text": "The Green Space Revitalization Project, including the Community Gathering Plaza and Bicycle, Pump Track and Skills Park, respond to Council's community livability and well-being priorities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1765.545, "end": 1825.125, "text": "Residents of Metalarc Park and surrounding neighborhoods will have access to local programs as well as facilities and amenities that support social connection and a sense of belonging. This investment in infrastructure will support healthy and active recreation and a functional space for low-cost and inclusive activities. I will note in this area, Meadowlock Park, as I said, is a very small community. Doing some research last night, the square kilometer around where this will be built has actually seen the highest increase in density in the entire city in recent years. Chinook Mall was also a they they created Cadillac Fairview Schinook Mall has recently created a foundation of charitable support. Happy to say that Metal Lark Park was the first recipient from that foundation. So great connection with the businesses in the community. And also just meeting with this committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1826.185, "end": 1837.865, "text": "I might steal them 'cause they've done an excellent job. They they really truly have. With very limited resources to have raised this much money to this point is nothing short of impressive. So that's all for me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1839.445, "end": 1840.205, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1841.905, "end": 1845.965, "text": "Thank you. Once again, these are the recommendations before you'd be happy to take any questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1848.025, "end": 1849.425, "text": "All right. Anyone in the queue for this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1850.405, "end": 1850.925, "text": "Councillor Yule?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1852.385, "end": 1864.505, "text": "Counselor Ward, you and I were talking about this this morning. So um about that small but mighty community, maybe just list the communities that will also uh benefit from this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1864.505, "end": 1896.885, "text": "Yeah. So directly on the west side of Meadowark Park is the community of Mayfair, which actually has seen quite a big turnover. A lot of younger families have moved in there. To the north side, we have Windsor Park, which is one of the most dense communities in terms of different forms of housing in all of Calgary. Their increase in residents as well as young families is massive. And then to the south, we have Kingsland, which on the north and the east sides of Kingsland has seen a lot of multifamily development gone up as well. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1897.525, "end": 1909.745, "text": "Pretty much all sides other than the east. The east is Chinook Mall. I mean maybe some parents will walk over from the mall, but yeah, west, north, south. Uh a lot of new development and a lot of new residents that are looking to gain access to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1910.085, "end": 1912.545, "text": "some sort of amenities very similar to this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1912.565, "end": 1917.305, "text": "Yeah, and it was this morning when you told me that that's kind of what convinced me on this project. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1917.305, "end": 1918.225, "text": "Awesome. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1919.325, "end": 1920.445, "text": "Counselor Penazal, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1920.805, "end": 1943.745, "text": "Thanks so much. Thanks so much to the community for doing all the hard work and getting this done and Councillor Ward for supporting this. Maybe just generally uh the 355, it's about a third of the project. Maybe just speak to sort of that diligence and and thought. How do we approach that? More of this is sort of the first time this council's seen, so just that that number is that generally the goal, one third, or is that a specific request? And it uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1944.185, "end": 1946.105, "text": "For the funding uh of 1.1 million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1946.865, "end": 1982.165, "text": "The Council Community Fund terms of reference applies only a cap of $500,000. And we've seen a number of applications that come in a range from about $110,000 up to $500,000. It's very project specific. And so the funding that is allocated in this project matches the needs of the project in terms of where it fits within their full fundraising scope, what they're able to put towards the project, what other grants are able to put towards the project. And so the association has applied for this specific amount to fill a specific gap." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1982.565, "end": 2004.585, "text": "Got it. No, thanks for that. And I think I did see that 500,000 cap, so perfect. And then just maybe um I know that this council we we merge the two funds. You know, we use the innovation fund to supplement this. So maybe just speak to that as we go into budget after this and maybe the next two. What would be left? And then uh the the process to sort of uh uh increase that going into to next year if you could. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2005.265, "end": 2039.145, "text": "Happy to defer to CFO Tucker, but I'll maybe just do an initial response, which is that on June 30th, Council uh did approve the transfer of the funds, remaining funds from the Council Innovation Fund to the Council Community Fund. If all projects today are successful, what would be remaining is about $82,000 in that fund. And then I would point to the terms of reference for the Council Community Fund, which indicates that Council may uh make the decision to increase or add additional budget to the council community fund as part of budget deliberations in the four year cycle." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2039.505, "end": 2049.965, "text": "Perfect, perfect. No, and I know that the community has been at this since 2021, so five, six years. So this is something that just doesn't show up overnight. So thank you so much, community, and thank you, Councillor Ward, for bringing that forward. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2052.105, "end": 2053.045, "text": "Counselor McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2053.185, "end": 2057.665, "text": "Uh thanks, Mayor. Don't get a big head, but I'm going to congratulate you as well because that's good work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2057.825, "end": 2059.825, "text": "You know, for counselors to bring things to the community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2060.445, "end": 2064.325, "text": "Uh and I've seen that happen to other counselors. In my ward, we have Calgary" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2064.705, "end": 2068.225, "text": "Evergreen Community Association that's been looking for a community center. They're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2068.825, "end": 2071.205, "text": "not small, mighty, but mighty, but large, but mighty." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2071.685, "end": 2077.365, "text": "Um we have these funds. So maybe just for the public and for other counselors' knowledge," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2077.725, "end": 2080.065, "text": "what are some of the criteria criteria" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2080.245, "end": 2082.705, "text": "to qualify for some of this funding? Because I know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2083.305, "end": 2087.125, "text": "Sometimes it's shovel ready and other that's funding but just again if you could maybe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2087.485, "end": 2088.745, "text": "share the criteria so that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2089.085, "end": 2095.085, "text": "other counselors could dip into because I think we all get a little jealous when we see one more good money, others don't." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2095.585, "end": 2096.345, "text": "That's my question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2097.245, "end": 2102.225, "text": "Uh sure. Happy to briefly outline what are in the terms of reference for criteria for the council community funds. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2102.425, "end": 2107.065, "text": "successful applications maybe for a new project grant or a project completion grant." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2107.525, "end": 2151.745, "text": "Project applications should demonstrate that proposal meets community-based needs as set out in the terms of reference, supports council's priorities, has the potential to change citywide policies and procedures, is viable and sustainable in the long term, is financially sound, will be well managed, and has not previously received a CCF, a council community fund grant. So those are the criteria. And so in the past, you've seen applications come through largely for facilities and amenities in community association license of occupation spaces, so recreation spaces, facility upgrades, amenity upgrades, outdoor ranks, those sorts of things are typically what fall to the Council Community Fund." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2153.025, "end": 2158.665, "text": "And and it is kind of a first come, first serve with limited funds unless we do something like this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2159.205, "end": 2182.545, "text": "That that's correct. The process has been that it is based on project readiness. And so that's the approval or the review process that administration performs in assisting community associations to bring forward applications. After today, if all successful, the fund will be down to a smaller amount, so $82,000. And then it is council's discretion as if it wishes to add more to that budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2183.285, "end": 2184.525, "text": "Excellent. Thanks for that clarity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2185.725, "end": 2186.685, "text": "Counselor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2190.105, "end": 2191.245, "text": "Yeah, just trying to get a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2191.465, "end": 2198.965, "text": "a real good solid sense in terms of the location of of uh of this because when I'm taking a look at the application, uh it says" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2199.345, "end": 2200.565, "text": "it's along uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2201.125, "end": 2207.225, "text": "Elbow Drive, Glenmar Trail, and uh and Fifth Street, but it also says Glenmar Reservoir." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2207.725, "end": 2208.545, "text": "Is that a typo?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2212.525, "end": 2214.565, "text": "Is it meant to be Glenmarr Trail, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2214.725, "end": 2218.825, "text": "Yes, I believe that is correct. It is not near the reservoir. Like wow." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2218.785, "end": 2219.305, "text": "Oh, this is like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2219.705, "end": 2260.365, "text": "This is a huge park that's going all the way to the reservoir. Okay, thank you. I just wanted to dive in maybe a little bit more just on that size, but a a little bit uh if we would because I think uh Willow Park in Ward 11 as well is coming forward later. We're thinking it's it's less money than this one, and it's a neighborhood that's 10 times this 10 times the size. I'm just wondering if uh if uh you could speak a little bit to um how other community associations may have been involved in the process in order to be able to uh gauge the need for this sort of in the in the wider area, or um yeah, just trying to get an idea in terms of how those other communities are gonna are going to be uh utilizing this and uh how they may have been involved in the project, or if they were." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2260.925, "end": 2284.845, "text": "Oh, I I I can't necessarily speak to how they were involved. What I can say is speaking with the adjacent communities, residents, and associations, just due to the increased number of residents that have moved into this area through new development, uh spaces like this are badly needed. Um speaking about Kingsland, you know, they got rid of a school in that community. It is now just a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2285.345, "end": 2291.265, "text": "sort of barren open field that is overbooked by a soccer organization." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2291.725, "end": 2321.905, "text": "That space is looking to be revitalized through the game plan initiative. We're not quite there yet, obviously, but that would also be needed in that area. So this has to get this funded now with uh game plan hopefully coming later would serve this area very well. We know that Kingsland uh with their increased density is looking for more amenity space for especially young families, children, to get outside to connect with community, to connect with other kids. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2322.385, "end": 2325.425, "text": "yeah, that that that's sort of what I've heard. I would also say." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2326.285, "end": 2330.805, "text": "You know, in w in Windsor Park, like I said, the the increased population has" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2331.605, "end": 2337.925, "text": "impacted the community so much that they reopened a school that was long closed down. Um so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2338.305, "end": 2343.105, "text": "th there is a need for this sort of space, not only for community, but especially for children." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2344.645, "end": 2353.065, "text": "Maybe this is a question to admin, but like are we seeing an increase in in children moving into like the the Bel Air Mayfair uh uh metal arc?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2354.345, "end": 2354.805, "text": "Area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2356.225, "end": 2369.705, "text": "I mean I I can speak to it because I've I've knocked all those doors. I I think there is there is a turnover coming. I is I think in most of Ward Eleven it is starting to turn over. Uh I think even on my own street, which is in Willow Park, it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2370.085, "end": 2395.545, "text": "We've gone we've actually doubled our population just on my street. It's a small sample, of course, but you know, we we've seen the turnover of elder people, you know, 70 to 90. They've moved into care homes and now young families are moving in and having children. So um from my experience, Bel Air, not so much perhaps, but Mayfair, I have seen a lot more young families and families with." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2395.985, "end": 2403.005, "text": "more children too as well. So yeah, I I think we're on that sort of rollover phase in a lot of these communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2403.205, "end": 2442.805, "text": "And maybe I'll just ask about access, because I think uh Council Ward, you sort of acknowledge there that like with uh you know uh Bel Air on one side, it uh Glenmore Trail, uh South um uh Schinook Center, like it's in a bit of an awkward accessible, accessible spot. It's very accessible to Meadowlark, but uh like as far away from Windsor Park as you can get in the in in the neighborhood. So I'm just curious and if from uh from an accessibility standpoint there, like uh Elbow Drive and Fifth Street, it are are there connections across those, like pedestrian connections or bike connections across those into um uh uh into Kingsland, or is there a plan to to build any of those? I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2444.065, "end": 2444.365, "text": "There is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2444.365, "end": 2449.045, "text": "want to make sure that like if it's a bike park, like I want to make sure as many people can get to the bike park as possible." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2449.045, "end": 2451.225, "text": "totally understandable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2451.785, "end": 2456.045, "text": "I would say. I mean I I think the crossing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2456.605, "end": 2460.185, "text": "um at Glenmorton Fifth is it's there. It's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2460.685, "end": 2473.085, "text": "in my mind not as safe as it perhaps could be, but it is there. So yeah, I I regularly see people crossing there to get mainly to Chinook Center, but to get to this they would be able to do that as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2473.445, "end": 2483.545, "text": "Maybe if can I ask that quite direct that question to admin? Like are are we are we planning any upgrades to the pedestrian crossings in this area that might uh better uh accommodate bike traffic" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2484.945, "end": 2489.905, "text": "I would need to lean on my colleagues, potentially in in planning or mobility," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 2495.245, "end": 2512.485, "text": "I can perhaps help with that. There there is no current plan to build any sort of pedestrian overpasses. Certainly we can always look at uh improvements to the signalized crossings there, but there are separated dedicated pathways with signals both at Elbow Drive and Fifth Street, which will connect in from either side." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2512.605, "end": 2515.845, "text": "in any bike lanes or anything in the area planned or existing?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 2516.465, "end": 2518.125, "text": "Uh nothing new currently planned." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2519.325, "end": 2520.985, "text": "I think we'll probably see." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2521.005, "end": 2525.605, "text": "Early stages, early stages of uh bike infrastructure in that area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2525.725, "end": 2544.725, "text": "Yeah, might might make sense for us to councils to or for council to think about what we can do to improve access to this particular park. Love the design, great job. And in terms of it, it's it's beautiful to the point that and at the cost, 1.1 million. I want to make sure as many Calgarians as possible can in can enjoy it uh for sure. Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2550.085, "end": 2552.005, "text": "Alright, I think that's it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2553.085, "end": 2554.525, "text": "Do we have uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2555.025, "end": 2557.225, "text": "Counselor Ward, do you come back and move it? Does the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2557.625, "end": 2558.965, "text": "That's kind of weird to see on the other side." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2559.285, "end": 2559.545, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2560.045, "end": 2561.585, "text": "and then come back." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2580.585, "end": 2580.865, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2581.945, "end": 2603.985, "text": "I am happy to move this. Uh as I said, Metal Arc Park, um, their committee has done just an absolutely outstanding job on this, the whole way from fundraising to planning to engaging with the community to coming up with a design that I think is absolutely perfect for this spot. So uh I would encourage everybody to support this. That's my move, my open." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2604.465, "end": 2605.785, "text": "Alright. Any debate colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2608.365, "end": 2610.605, "text": "Okay. Seeing none, uh, let's engage the e-vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 2622.985, "end": 2624.325, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2624.565, "end": 2626.105, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2629.405, "end": 2633.145, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 14 to 0. We'll uh move to item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2634.205, "end": 2635.065, "text": "I'm not uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2637.225, "end": 2642.605, "text": "I'm unfortunately not allowed to allow for any noise from from the audience, even when it's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2642.965, "end": 2645.725, "text": "clapping that I agree with. So I'll ask uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2646.765, "end": 2649.925, "text": "I'll ask that we maintain decorum in the yes, jazz hands." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2650.305, "end": 2650.765, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2650.905, "end": 2655.805, "text": "Uh 7.9 please. Uh Willow Ridge Community Association, Council Community Fund Report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2657.005, "end": 2670.305, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. So this is the Council Community Fund application for the Willow Ridge Community Association, and once again I'm happy to note that we are joined by volunteers from Willow Ridge who are supporting this application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2671.345, "end": 2693.005, "text": "So the purpose is to request approval for the completion of their greener grounds project. This project is a transformational community-led initiative that reimagines the underutilized former baseball diamond and open field into a vibrant, climate resilient, and year round gathering space. Once again, uh Councillor Ward has supported this application and will be presenting more details in just a moment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2693.685, "end": 2694.585, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2698.785, "end": 2707.385, "text": "As with the previous report, the previous direction was to create the fund in 2019 and update the terms of reference in 2024. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2709.705, "end": 2727.185, "text": "The recommendations before you are to approve a one-time funding request of $200,000 for the Council Community Fund application for the Willow Ridge Community Association's Greener Grounds Project. And to direct administration to report report back to executive committee within 12 months of project completion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2728.425, "end": 2729.325, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2730.885, "end": 2735.345, "text": "And here's where I get to turn it over to Councillor Ward once again to speak to the highlights of this application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2735.745, "end": 2760.025, "text": "Yes. Thank you. Uh so I'm pleased to speak in support of Willow Ridge Community Association's application for $200,000 from the Council Community Fund. The funding will allow the Willow Ridge Community Association to fully complete their greener grounds project, a project that started with removing an underutilized baseball diamond and expanded into a reimagination and revitalization of their license of occupation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2761.205, "end": 2798.285, "text": "Currently, this centrally located site functions as a large, empty field, lacking shade, seating, weather protection, and accessible infrastructure. It remains underused for much of the year despite serving a dense, multi-generational community and two adjacent schools. Through the Greener Grounds Project, the Willow Ridge Community Association will transform this space into an accessible, multi use amenity that reflects community identified needs and priorities. This revitalized space supports daily use, informal recreation, outdoor learning, and community connection in all seasons. If we can go to the next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2799.405, "end": 2816.085, "text": "The Greener Grounds project is anchored by a permanent all-season picnic shelter and supported by accessible barrier-free pathways throughout the site. Additional parking will address safety concerns and accessibility as facility and site usage continues to grow." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2816.445, "end": 2859.925, "text": "Urban forest planting will significantly increase shade and canopy while natural recreation features enable daily multi-generational use. This project converts passive land into high-value community infrastructure that supports recreation, social connection, and outdoor learning. This project is fully community-based and it was led by the Willow Ridge Community Association and developed through community engagement. It was a lot of community engagement, I can speak to that. Support for this project is extremely strong, and the CA has already successfully secured over $425,000 through various grants, private donations, and internal committed capital funds. If you can go to the next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2861.165, "end": 2890.265, "text": "The Greener Grounds Project supports key City of Calgary priorities, including enhancing public spaces and community infrastructure, climate resilience and urban canopy expansion, trees, they're beautiful, and strengthening social connection and community well being. This is a low risk, high impact project that transforms underutilized land into a resilient, inclusive, and scalable community asset with strong local support and immediate readiness for delivery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2891.485, "end": 2892.105, "text": "And with that," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2892.545, "end": 2893.025, "text": "back to you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2894.085, "end": 2894.945, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2896.565, "end": 2899.785, "text": "Once again, these are the recommendations before you. Happy to take any questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2900.845, "end": 2902.285, "text": "Alright, uh, Councilor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2907.345, "end": 2910.685, "text": "Sorry, what would be un the unallocated funds left after" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2911.005, "end": 2912.665, "text": "the three asks today?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2914.125, "end": 2918.645, "text": "If all three are successful today, the remaining funds would be around 82." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2920.725, "end": 2921.225, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2921.445, "end": 2921.885, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2922.825, "end": 2924.765, "text": "so the history of this fund has been" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2925.105, "end": 2926.205, "text": "two point" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2927.445, "end": 2929.345, "text": "since twenty nineteen it's gone" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2930.065, "end": 2931.565, "text": "uh totaled two point one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2932.045, "end": 2933.025, "text": "million dollars." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2933.185, "end": 2933.385, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2934.145, "end": 2934.565, "text": "we're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2934.865, "end": 2936.845, "text": "Going through one million in one sitting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2937.565, "end": 2938.225, "text": "Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2939.105, "end": 2939.525, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2940.765, "end": 2944.665, "text": "are there other applications in the works outside of these three that we know of?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2945.605, "end": 2970.245, "text": "I'm not aware of any that would be ready in the pipeline to actually make an application to council. However, as CFO uh Tucker can attest to, the CFO's office does a briefing to uh committee regularly on the status of the fund, and in that briefing you can see the history of applications. And normally I would say there's there's uh a handful, a couple, a few, uh uh every year" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2970.505, "end": 2972.645, "text": "Right. And so this is a first come, first serve." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2973.485, "end": 2974.865, "text": "based on project readiness, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2975.565, "end": 2976.005, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2976.685, "end": 2977.285, "text": "Um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2977.865, "end": 2978.445, "text": "so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2978.985, "end": 2980.685, "text": "project readiness. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2981.005, "end": 2982.405, "text": "Willow Ridge's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2983.005, "end": 2986.805, "text": "remaining 543,000 is described as being raised." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2987.705, "end": 2988.805, "text": "Would that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2989.025, "end": 2994.405, "text": "be considered project ready if money isn't totally raised for the project?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2995.885, "end": 3027.125, "text": "As with any of these projects, the council community fund is typically a component. It's a portion of the overall funds. And so in any project, applications can come in that are viable, that appear to meet the other criteria of the terms of reference. They may still have fundraising to do, and that is up to the community association applying. Our job is to assess whether they're ready to make the application for the council community fund as a component of the overall funding, and then make sure that they have a plan committed for the rest of the funds." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3027.405, "end": 3030.185, "text": "Should we change the definition of project ready?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3031.705, "end": 3041.345, "text": "There isn't currently a definition of project ready other than what's in the terms of reference, which is that it appears to be well managed and appears to be financially sound." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3042.905, "end": 3050.065, "text": "If I may, when one thing I can speak to, having worked on a lot of capital project fundraising in the past, is sometimes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3051.205, "end": 3054.825, "text": "uh you know, a big sort of financial," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3057.005, "end": 3074.385, "text": "I don't know what you'd call this, a finan uh I f uh sorry, a financial um grab like this can essentially lead to much more dollars through both matching and grants. Um a lot of people, in my experience, like to be the last dollar in. And so once you have a big" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3074.885, "end": 3080.485, "text": "You know, a a funding application fulfilled of this amount, it usually leads to more money coming in quite quickly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3081.665, "end": 3082.165, "text": "Is it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3084.165, "end": 3110.385, "text": "I don't know where their donation asks are at, but I'm I'm quite confident in in my talking with this committee and this community association, they've done an absolutely outstanding job of writing uh for grants and both looking at private donations. Uh for example, I know they've reached out to Scott's Lawn Care, and if if residents can provide their receipts for purchasing Scott's lawn care products, then Scott's will match." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3111.245, "end": 3120.265, "text": "So th they're th i i they've they've exhausted a lot of avenues and I'm quite confident that with this injection they'll they'll be able to reach the final goal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3122.725, "end": 3123.305, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3123.905, "end": 3128.785, "text": "each application is required to report back within a year. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3129.665, "end": 3133.245, "text": "let's say the previous seven grants, have they all reported back after" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3134.045, "end": 3134.685, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3134.885, "end": 3135.965, "text": "it's been approved" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3136.525, "end": 3137.325, "text": "within a year?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3137.645, "end": 3141.205, "text": "The direction is to report back within one year of project completion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3141.205, "end": 3141.465, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3141.465, "end": 3153.005, "text": "So a number of the outstanding applications are still in the works, they're still in flight, they're still in construction. But to date, all approved projects that are completed have reported back within one year of project completion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3153.345, "end": 3156.325, "text": "Cool. Um yeah, give them the money. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3159.005, "end": 3159.865, "text": "All right, anybody else?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3162.085, "end": 3164.045, "text": "Okay. Seeing none, I'll summon you back. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3164.425, "end": 3165.005, "text": "Councilor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3183.305, "end": 3190.005, "text": "Okay, uh happy to move this. I don't know if I need to say much more than what Counselor Johnston just said. Give them the money, I believe, is line, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3190.765, "end": 3235.505, "text": "Perhaps I can wax poetic a little better than that. But um yeah, they they've done an outstanding job. I I sat in on one of their recent uh count uh community association board meetings, and just the the number of grants they've applied to, the amount of private business that they've reached out to to get funding is unbelievable. Don Boiku is here with us. I you should retire one day, Don. One day. He's a really good grant writer, though, from what I've heard. So um I would encourage everyone to support this. This will be excellent. The Community Association does a great job with their soccer program. This will be right adjacent to the soccer field. So it will kind of create an all encompassing area for the community. So I would ask for your support. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3236.405, "end": 3247.805, "text": "All right, that's been moved by Councilor Ward. Uh I'll just jump in and say, yeah, that this is an exceptionally well run community association. I had the opportunity to get to know a lot of the team in my time as uh the local councilor. And just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3248.085, "end": 3251.485, "text": "John, kudos to these community volunteer led projects. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3252.025, "end": 3262.485, "text": "The word of the day is leverage. The opportun us getting in first the door is gonna allow a lot of these community groups to be able to go out there and and fundraise. I'll absolutely share your" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3262.905, "end": 3266.585, "text": "anecdotal experience, Counselor Ward, is that you know if there's an anchor funder," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3266.845, "end": 3273.945, "text": "then there is the sense of urgency to those private partners. So that's been my experience in a lot, many, many, many similar projects is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3274.285, "end": 3279.545, "text": "once the city can demonstrate the confidence and support, uh then the volunteers are able to run away and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3279.905, "end": 3282.685, "text": "get that leverage in. So over to Councilor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 3283.085, "end": 3323.865, "text": "Yeah, just I again kudos to the community association for bringing this forward. I wanted to jump in here just because like this remind a project like this reminds me of a lot of spaces in Calgary, and it's exactly the kind of thing that we need to see more of. So uh thank you to the community association for bringing this one forward. And I I would I would suggest to more community associations, if your space looks like this currently, uh uh to uh pull some people together and uh start brainstorming what it could be, uh, and then to council that uh we get prepared for uh more of these kinds of projects coming forward. Because ones like this, I think uh uh we need to see more of these uh across the city. So um happy to support this one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3327.005, "end": 3328.385, "text": "All right, over to you to close, Councilor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3329.005, "end": 3344.045, "text": "Just before I close, I wanted to acknowledge uh the former president, Jason Carling, who I know was huge on this. Um so thank you, Jason, for all the work you've done. Excellent work and to everybody here that volunteered and to help get the funds for this. Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3345.105, "end": 3347.125, "text": "All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 3363.145, "end": 3364.605, "text": "Councilor Chabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3368.085, "end": 3368.405, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 3369.405, "end": 3371.125, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3371.585, "end": 3372.925, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3375.965, "end": 3378.165, "text": "On that, the motion is carried. 14 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3378.505, "end": 3383.365, "text": "We'll move now to 7.8, Council Community Fund to Report, Mount Pleasant Community Association." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3385.225, "end": 3396.805, "text": "Committee, this is the Council Community Fund application for Mount Pleasant Community Association. And once again, I'm happy to introduce the volunteers from Mount Pleasant who are here supporting this application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3399.745, "end": 3413.665, "text": "This application is for the comprehensive renovation of the community hall in Mount Pleasant. Once again, the Ward 7 Councillor, Councillor Atkinson is supporting this application and will be presenting more details in just a moment. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3416.825, "end": 3423.505, "text": "The previous council direction, as before, the fund was created in 2019 and the terms of reference were updated in 2024." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3423.885, "end": 3425.785, "text": "The next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3425.945, "end": 3428.225, "text": "The recommendations before you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3428.685, "end": 3433.025, "text": "are to approve a one time funding request in the amount of $500,000" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3433.205, "end": 3437.825, "text": "for the Mount Pleasant Community Association's Community Hall Renovation Project" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3438.325, "end": 3444.025, "text": "and to direct administration to report back to the executive committee within 12 months of project completion. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3445.465, "end": 3449.565, "text": "I will now turn it over to Councillor Atkinson to speak to the highlights of this application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 3450.845, "end": 3451.025, "text": "It's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 3451.285, "end": 3456.485, "text": "it's pretty fun to come in after lots of other people do all the hard work and then just go" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 3456.885, "end": 3458.545, "text": "check this out. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 3458.945, "end": 3512.165, "text": "Yeah, so Mount Pleasant, this community association was built in the 1950s. You saw some pictures there. This was put up by community members, barn raising style. The walls are filled with newspaper from the 1950s. We'll get into why we need to change some of that in a minute. But actually, where we've been talking about sort of leveraging this project, we're actually coming in on the tail end. This group has already done the work. They've raised over a million dollars of their own funds that they are putting towards the project. They have a community facility enhancement program grant for a million dollars from the Alberta government that is already lined up and ready to go. So we just get to come in and say, yeah, make it so. This is a huge, huge improvement that we're going to be doing to the hall. Maybe we'll go into that now. Go to the next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 3513.025, "end": 3575.385, "text": "So the community hall needs some serious renovations. There was an improvement made back in the 80s where there was an expansion to the hall to just give a bit more space, but really this is all about focusing on how we make this space more usable by more people all across the community. So making it more accessible. You'll see on the outside of the building that there's stairs into the main entrance, and actually they use the but basement of the hall as well very heavily. It's actually a play school that even though I'm two communities over over in Banff Trail, my kids went to that play school because it's just that kind of community resource, right? This is a huge resource, not just for Mount Pleasant, but the surrounding communities as well. There's a big focus on making sure that we're doing the energy efficiency, getting rid of the newspaper and the walls, and actually turning it into a modern building, and making sure that this space just is set up for the years to come. We'll go into the next slide now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 3576.305, "end": 3647.005, "text": "So uh yeah, this is just about taking one of these city assets and making sure that we're continuing to improve upon it and not letting it degrade to a point where we're demolishing it. I love the fact that uh we're keeping the heritage of this building in place. We're actually building upon it. Uh, it shows the storied history of Mount Pleasant, uh, a community that has seen tons and tons of development. If you will remember back to uh the um the RCG hearings, there's been uh many, many, many fourplexes landed in this neighborhood here over the last little while. Just a block away. Uh, I was just at an opening last week for uh Calgary Housing's next project. It opens uh new families moving into the neighborhood next month. It's it's a testament to how this community is growing, shaping itself, accepting uh, and and just becoming a really diverse space and making sure that this community hall can support all those residents who have been moving into the neighborhood. That's where we get to do our part. So I ask you, colleagues, to please support this application. I'll throw it back to Tim." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3647.225, "end": 3648.085, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3649.605, "end": 3653.505, "text": "Once again, these are the recommendations before you. We'd be happy to answer any questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3656.425, "end": 3657.645, "text": "Councilor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 3659.245, "end": 3660.145, "text": "Yeah, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 3660.405, "end": 3681.005, "text": "just wondering uh Mr. Maori if you could talk a little to uh the existing granting programs for things like building envelopes and things like that. I know both the uh CCG and then the provin the provincial government's uh um uh CFAP program. I just wondering in terms of this, like have those have those streams been exhausted on this project as well?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3682.545, "end": 3684.205, "text": "Uh the yes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3684.965, "end": 3733.725, "text": "As with any uh grant, uh the funds are subject to uh applicability and eligibility for for the grant, and so the capital conservation grant, which is a city grant, uh is typically for life cycle maintenance of existing uh amenities at facilities, and so not all will be eligible for uh CCG funding here. There are a number of grants, CFEP uh the community uh community facility enhancement uh program uh with the provincial government is another one that uh communities tend to uh turn to uh for available grants, and there are uh any number of grants that through the neighborhood partnership coordination program we support community associations in identifying. Uh in this case, as Councillor Atkinson has noted, the community association has put in a significant amount of work to actually" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3734.465, "end": 3749.425, "text": "Secure a number of grants and their own fundraising to date. So they're starting from a very solid platform in terms of fundraise to date. So this would be a grant, the principal grant that would be available for them to close that gap." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 3750.005, "end": 3755.825, "text": "And so just to clarify, is there any CCG or CFAP funding already in on this project?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3756.505, "end": 3768.005, "text": "As I understand it, there is a million-dollar CFEP grant that's already been applied. I don't believe that CCG funding, I need to clarify that, but not all components of this would be eligible for CCG funding." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 3768.005, "end": 3791.845, "text": "Yeah, see, having having done a similar hall renovation to this myself previously, I I understand that uh the gap that the city currently has, um, and I would encourage us to close that gap as a as an aside and and create a better funding program for uh uh facility enhancements rather than just bringing it back to uh where where it was in the 50s. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 3793.225, "end": 3811.345, "text": "Yeah, if you could I'm just sort of curious in terms of that because I'm glad to hear that we were already in on the CFAP. That that's great, because we would definitely want to leverage as many of the different funding possibilities uh as possible here. And I would imagine, correct me if I'm wrong here, Mr. Maori, but some of the items that are in here would qualify for CapCon CCG uh as well, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 3811.425, "end": 3821.825, "text": "That's correct. I'd also uh point to attachment uh four, which outlines more of the financial details in terms of the fundraising and grants that the community association has sought." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 3822.005, "end": 3822.685, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3824.365, "end": 3829.305, "text": "Yeah, I I wanted to jump in and cover some of the ground. Uh Counselor Kelly did uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3829.585, "end": 3845.385, "text": "This is probably not for you, Mr. Mallory, but when we're looking at the fiscal gap report, the downloaded costs from the provincial government, we're seeing the city occupying more and more space than traditionally was the provincial government's. So when we look at, say, even in this budget year," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3845.665, "end": 3851.805, "text": "uh slashing by 50% of the CFEP uh grants, I I see this as the city now" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3852.545, "end": 3861.405, "text": "further stepping up well and above and beyond where we have previous to continue to do the provincial government's jobs. So my question and maybe is for administration are we tracking" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3861.785, "end": 3863.825, "text": "one off applications like this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3864.225, "end": 3870.745, "text": "Uh as part of the fiscal gap report. And I'm a bit I will I will certainly be supporting this, but I'm a bit strained" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3871.065, "end": 3877.405, "text": "that it continues to be municipal property taxpayers who continue to step up to do the job that the provincial government refuses to do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 3883.265, "end": 3887.345, "text": "So, in terms of the work that we do around the gap," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 3888.605, "end": 3899.105, "text": "we try and accumulate all the various items that do have impact, whether it's direct or indirect. One of the differentiating points is where." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 3899.565, "end": 3930.145, "text": "Uh the city has more or less discretion. So if that's uh direction that comes uh relative to an expense that is direct dated or mandated for the city to do, that has more of a direct impact on that gap and the calculation of the gap. Where the city has more discretion or chooses to step into that space, uh that has less of a gap impact because we have more choice. So we try to differentiate between the direct and the indirect. Um, but at a high level, yes, all of these items we do consider." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3930.525, "end": 3937.905, "text": "Okay. And just to make sure that uh your answer right, uh CFO Tecker, like uh in your mind there's a bit of a material difference between" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3938.485, "end": 3944.485, "text": "something where we're very clearly compelled to do, say, for example, a reduction on the photo radar take is relatively" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3944.905, "end": 3946.125, "text": "clear that there's a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3946.645, "end": 3953.805, "text": "Whether we want to or not, uh we're on the hook for more next year. And for something like this, it's a bit of a judgment call for the council in terms of whether we wish" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3954.185, "end": 3955.745, "text": "to step in and offset" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3955.985, "end": 3960.485, "text": "uh reductions and grants that uh the province might be making to other third party groups." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3960.865, "end": 3961.605, "text": "Exactly. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3962.145, "end": 3962.885, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3963.545, "end": 3964.085, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3964.885, "end": 3969.985, "text": "I only I see Councillor Johnston wants to speak after the item is moved. Uh anybody else?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3969.985, "end": 3972.145, "text": "No, sorry, I put an RTS for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3972.705, "end": 3973.185, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3973.565, "end": 3976.025, "text": "Okay. Uh sorry, Counselor Johnston, go ahead. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3976.385, "end": 3982.105, "text": "Yeah. Um just in reference to what the chair had just mentioned there, um do we have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3982.545, "end": 3986.265, "text": "uh I think coming up in the report is our um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3989.725, "end": 3992.425, "text": "surplus that we've seen the last uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3993.225, "end": 3997.585, "text": "we we overcharge taxpayers um is what I read in a report coming up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3998.945, "end": 3999.245, "text": "No?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4000.605, "end": 4003.565, "text": "There there was a ten million dollar or I think it's twelve million dollar" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4003.965, "end": 4007.045, "text": "um overcharge on taxpayers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4007.045, "end": 4016.205, "text": "Counselor Johnston, if I may, we're on item 7.8. Uh maybe if there's questions for a different report, uh could I ask you to have the questions on that report at the time that that item is before us?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4016.705, "end": 4019.225, "text": "I was just going off what you were speaking about." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4020.045, "end": 4026.585, "text": "And was yours on the same topic, or are we allowed to just let you speak on different parts of the topic?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4026.865, "end": 4030.105, "text": "I'm trying to keep us on track if you have a very technical" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4030.105, "end": 4034.645, "text": "Self on track, right? Otherwise, let us speak on the same thing you're talking about." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4035.505, "end": 4039.705, "text": "thank you, Counselor Johnston. If you have a very specific technical question about a different item and a different" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4040.125, "end": 4040.365, "text": "type," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4040.525, "end": 4042.125, "text": "ask that you raise it at that time, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4043.225, "end": 4043.785, "text": "please go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4044.505, "end": 4049.345, "text": "Okay, thank you for permission to continue with questioning that you started. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4049.845, "end": 4055.885, "text": "do we have funding available to fund exactly what the mayor had been sp uh speaking to?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 4058.465, "end": 4060.125, "text": "So, in terms of um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 4060.945, "end": 4061.945, "text": "your question," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 4062.945, "end": 4063.785, "text": "uh I'm not," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 4064.265, "end": 4072.305, "text": "as I stand here, uh specifically aligned with uh or aware of the the reference you're making to a $10 million overcharge." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 4072.805, "end": 4073.305, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4073.365, "end": 4077.405, "text": "It'll come in a report that's coming that I think we received yesterday. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4077.745, "end": 4093.725, "text": "But outside of that, do we have money in our FSR or any reserves to cover funding that is maybe a fiscal gap from what the province had used to pay us? Could we fund exactly what the mayor had said with money that's in our reserves?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 4094.505, "end": 4121.205, "text": "we do have uh reserves. The FSR has uh capacity, and the design of it is to be greater than uh 5% minimum of our net revenues, uh up to uh target area of 15%. And so currently, right now, those we do have uh dollars in that reserve that would, at the discretion of council, could be used for items that would be of this nature or of other items that um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4121.205, "end": 4131.965, "text": "Right. And so instead of belly aching every time we're short money, we can be spending it on municipal um items itself. So um let's just fix our own stuff before we start complaining." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4133.505, "end": 4137.065, "text": "Okay. Anyone else on this or any other agenda items today?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4138.265, "end": 4138.385, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4138.665, "end": 4142.005, "text": "Uh seeing none, uh we'll ask you to come back, uh, Councilor Atkins." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4160.605, "end": 4214.305, "text": "Uh great, yeah. Happy to move this thank you to all the work that uh Mount Pleasant has been doing, continues to do, to really make uh this amazing inner city community thrive. I'm very much looking forward to uh this being a bit of a model, I think, that we can use to show how we can take these older facilities that are starting to hit end of life, needing to be revitalized. Uh, the work that that the folks at Mount Pleasant have done to really do so much ground game, a million dollars raised in advance by themselves, applying for grants like CFEP, and now we getting we get to come to the table and just sort of put the the cherry on top and send it across the finish line. So, so happy to uh to back that hard work. So thank you, uh colleagues, and with that I'll I'll open." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4214.985, "end": 4217.305, "text": "All right, back to Councilor Johnston. The items have been moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4217.785, "end": 4219.845, "text": "Yeah. Um I just wanted to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4220.485, "end": 4226.725, "text": "Say the Mount Pleasant's done a really good job here. They've got money on the back end as well. Um, and I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4227.245, "end": 4231.265, "text": "hope that other community associations are listening to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4231.725, "end": 4235.425, "text": "what's happening right now because it is a first come, first serve. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4236.105, "end": 4240.585, "text": "and the idea is that if they receive funding for one, they can't for three years, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4241.725, "end": 4248.085, "text": "Uh the terms of reference uh indicate that they can't have previously received council community fund funds previously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4248.185, "end": 4252.985, "text": "Right. And my hope is that maybe some of the community associations um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4253.985, "end": 4274.005, "text": "can help other community associations get through the progress once they are successful in it. Because I think we have over a hundred community associations in the city all with their own special needs in that. But again as first come, first serve, I hope community associations that are listening get their button gear for the next round. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4275.485, "end": 4276.565, "text": "All right, Councilor Ward, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 4277.785, "end": 4298.925, "text": "Yes, uh just a reminder to colleagues and perhaps to the public as well. So we do have a report coming back in Q4 2026 regarding the charitable partnership program, which was a motion that I moved to, which would hopefully help with funding things like this in the future, uh, allowing the city to be able to issue tax receipts for charitable donations as well. Uh sort of backing on what Councillor Johnson said," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 4299.565, "end": 4314.485, "text": "uh if the community associations can help, that would be wonderful. But our NPC's neighborhood partnership program coordinators, they're excellent. So uh community associations, please do reach out to them and use them because they know their stuff and they're very good at it. That is all. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4315.365, "end": 4316.265, "text": "All right, Councillor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4319.985, "end": 4322.545, "text": "Yeah, just um wanted to weigh in briefly on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4323.265, "end": 4326.005, "text": "I having been involved with community associations" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4326.225, "end": 4330.265, "text": "for many, many years um and having done some of these kind of improvements." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4330.785, "end": 4334.845, "text": "Uh there were other sources of funds that we were able to access outside of this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4335.245, "end": 4336.325, "text": "that I think would have been" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4336.545, "end": 4337.245, "text": "better suited" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4337.905, "end": 4343.245, "text": "for this. I don't see the Council Innovation Fund as being the ideal source of funds for these kind of projects." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4343.725, "end": 4344.245, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4344.465, "end": 4346.365, "text": "again, I'm happy to support it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4346.665, "end": 4348.345, "text": "if uh if there seems to be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4348.725, "end": 4350.105, "text": "a lack in uh in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4350.425, "end": 4353.365, "text": "alignment with this andor other federal funds" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4353.805, "end": 4356.885, "text": "to accommodate some of these needs, such as the accessibility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4357.585, "end": 4360.985, "text": "I know that some community associations have previously accessed federal funds" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4361.305, "end": 4362.525, "text": "to actually put in an elevator." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4362.765, "end": 4364.225, "text": "In some communities that didn't have them," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4365.325, "end": 4366.925, "text": "might have been a better source to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4367.065, "end": 4369.885, "text": "draw from. Anytime we can get money from the federal government" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4370.145, "end": 4372.185, "text": "back into our city, I'm happy to support that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4372.765, "end": 4374.605, "text": "But uh having said that, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4375.225, "end": 4377.065, "text": "certainly I can support this. Um but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4377.705, "end": 4378.625, "text": "if there's a need to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4378.825, "end": 4381.365, "text": "increase the amount of funding in our capital conservation grant," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4381.785, "end": 4384.465, "text": "that's something maybe maybe this council should consider. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4384.645, "end": 4388.065, "text": "previously brought forward a motion specifically to do that to supplement it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4388.585, "end": 4391.745, "text": "Uh ideally what we should be providing is more lifecycle maintenance" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4392.225, "end": 4394.005, "text": "uh to these community type facilities" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4394.585, "end": 4396.105, "text": "insofar as enhancing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4396.385, "end": 4396.665, "text": "the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4397.385, "end": 4397.885, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4398.525, "end": 4399.745, "text": "uh accessibility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4400.265, "end": 4402.905, "text": "Uh I think there's other sources of funds that could be um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4403.685, "end": 4405.905, "text": "sought to help to accommodate that. So," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4406.305, "end": 4407.785, "text": "anyways, I'll support it today, but uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4408.105, "end": 4408.365, "text": "I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4408.565, "end": 4410.125, "text": "we have more work to do on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4410.385, "end": 4410.765, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4414.505, "end": 4423.565, "text": "Uh that's Councilor Shabot. I'll uh just briefly jump in. Similar commentary to to Councilor Shabot is uh I believe that this this application is just as worthy" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4423.965, "end": 4435.725, "text": "as the the first two previous, but I think the parameters of which is being asked of us is largely been traditionally in provincial jurisdiction. So when we look at the community facility enhancement program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4436.045, "end": 4524.825, "text": "Other grant sources, especially to community associations that the provincial government has been getting out of in recent years, including a 50% reduction this year, it's very troubling to me. There's going to be a significant uh replacement cost for all of these assets. And if the expectation from the provincial government is that we go it alone to provide for the replacement costs for updates, roofs, uh accessibility upgrades, it's going to become extremely expensive quickly. And I don't think we have actually have enough within our FSR to manage a hundred different uh 100 plus maybe 200, 300 different LOCs. So again, uh I I am very happy to support this. Really appreciate the work that the community has done. Uh thank you, Councillor Atkinson. I'll be supporting this, but I I think it's absolutely critical that we make our expectations clear of uh the provincial government. Uh I also see this somewhat in the light of some of the other comments that are debates that council's had on issues like the low-income transit pass or the mental health and addiction strategy. Council's been very reluctant to support these things because we're sending a signal to the province that we're very happy to pick up the slack. Uh where I stand is I'm very happy to make this investment, but I want the investment to go out and make friends. So I want this to be leveraged. I'm happy to do our part on whether it's this, whether it's low income transit pass, mental health and addictions, housing, and all of the rest, if we can use those dollars to get matching contributions from the provincial government. So I don't want our participation here to be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4525.145, "end": 4529.985, "text": "necessarily picking up slack from the province. I want our investment to be going out there and challenging" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4530.265, "end": 4533.625, "text": "the the pr province to do better and especially do better" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4533.865, "end": 4535.745, "text": "By these community uh groups. We" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4536.205, "end": 4537.065, "text": "need us to work together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 4537.325, "end": 4546.705, "text": "The province doesn't have to do like with this. We like you're off topic on what's before us. We're trying to fund a community association with a fund that council has the authority to give." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 4546.945, "end": 4549.185, "text": "So I I your speech is great," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 4549.605, "end": 4550.325, "text": "but it's not before us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4550.325, "end": 4555.985, "text": "Counselor Wynus, if I'm asking, just to use properly a point of order, a point of privilege, if you believe that you've been misquoted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4556.365, "end": 4560.605, "text": "We have the opportunity amongst ourselves to provide commentary, rebuttals, debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4560.925, "end": 4570.525, "text": "I'd uh I'd ask you just not to interrupt me as chair during the course of my debate. Use your opportun use your three or four or five minutes for your own debate. If you wish to rebuttal me, please do so." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4570.525, "end": 4573.425, "text": "Okay, point of order then. Can we stay on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4574.865, "end": 4575.545, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4580.265, "end": 4584.225, "text": "the whole soapbox uh sermon there is off topic." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4584.225, "end": 4600.825, "text": "Counselor Johnston, I'm within my rights as a member of committee here to provide my debate, and we're this budgetary ask is pertinent. Uh if we look through the application. Again, I don't have to defend myself in terms of my debate. You have your opportunity for your own debate. Please provide your rebuttal at the proper time rather than interrupting me from speaking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4600.825, "end": 4608.685, "text": "Yeah, but you're always interrupting us to stay on topic. And so it's our job as as members of the committee to ensure that the chair the chair stays on topic as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4608.805, "end": 4615.125, "text": "Thank you, Counselor Johnston. If you believe a rule has been violated, you may use the point of privilege or the point of order at the appropriate time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4615.805, "end": 4619.985, "text": "Again, thank you for thank you for jumping in. Uh if I may conclude my thoughts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4622.165, "end": 4627.025, "text": "Uh my point of order is that okay, then it's a appeal to the chair that you are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4627.365, "end": 4628.285, "text": "off topic." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4629.265, "end": 4630.105, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4631.105, "end": 4638.745, "text": "that that's not before us. I've not made a ruling that can be appealed. So uh Counselor Johnston, could if we could just continue with the course of our meeting here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4640.565, "end": 4641.705, "text": "Okay. Colleagues, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4642.125, "end": 4642.625, "text": "again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4643.185, "end": 4679.705, "text": "My point is very happy to support this, but I want to warn committee and council members present that the asks are going to get a lot bigger. They're going to get a lot faster from these community groups. We need to find, I think, better governance over this pot of money. If we are going to continue to support these groups, we need to do so in a fair and equitable way. I understand that this program overall is first come, first serve, but I'm making this point because after this is approved, the the money's empty in this pot of funding. So again, uh we we need to be at this, we need to look at this eyes wide open. So that's it for my debate. Uh back to you to Councillor Atkinson to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4682.645, "end": 4684.885, "text": "Thank you, Mount Pleasant. Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4687.125, "end": 4689.005, "text": "All right, uh, Madam Clerk, let's engage the evote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 4705.625, "end": 4707.125, "text": "Councilor McLean, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4707.645, "end": 4707.965, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 4708.685, "end": 4709.225, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 4709.785, "end": 4711.065, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4711.645, "end": 4713.085, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4716.945, "end": 4718.865, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 14 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4719.285, "end": 4719.765, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4720.225, "end": 4721.245, "text": "Just hands. Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4722.505, "end": 4729.505, "text": "Alright, uh, we've concluded the three time-specific items. I believe we're now on consent agenda items selected for debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4729.965, "end": 4731.245, "text": "Starting with uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4731.985, "end": 4736.885, "text": "notice of motion, notices of motion, 5.2.1, notice of motion lobbyist registry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4737.325, "end": 4740.185, "text": "I believe uh Councilor Clark, you were gonna put that one on the table." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4741.745, "end": 4742.485, "text": "All right. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4744.705, "end": 4750.805, "text": "Councilor Clark has uh moved the item. Uh it was to you, Councilor Johnston, to pull the item. Uh looking to you to speak now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4752.945, "end": 4753.645, "text": "Counselor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4757.345, "end": 4758.105, "text": "Counselor Johnston?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4758.185, "end": 4760.425, "text": "Yeah, I just need a sec to pull it up here if that's okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4762.445, "end": 4763.845, "text": "Uh-huh." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4768.705, "end": 4771.665, "text": "Maybe while Counselor Johnston needs a little bit of time. Anybody else?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4775.325, "end": 4775.545, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4775.945, "end": 4777.585, "text": "Are you good, Counselor Johnston?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4778.045, "end": 4778.405, "text": "I'm good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4781.465, "end": 4784.125, "text": "Yeah, so I pulled it. Um it was moved already, sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4784.505, "end": 4784.765, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4784.905, "end": 4785.385, "text": "Please go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4786.005, "end": 4788.225, "text": "Um did the mover have an opening for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4788.925, "end": 4794.025, "text": "No, this is just purely technical review, and I believe you may ask questions on the technical merits at this time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4794.445, "end": 4794.685, "text": "right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4794.985, "end": 4795.485, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4800.585, "end": 4801.925, "text": "Sorry, Shabot, did you have something?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4802.105, "end": 4805.185, "text": "you you've recognized you, Counselor Johnston, to speak. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4805.345, "end": 4805.945, "text": "please go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4807.145, "end": 4810.945, "text": "I realize that, but it's tough when you hear other people speaking, so I'm just making sure" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4810.945, "end": 4815.225, "text": "Everyone, uh everyone, please let's listen to Counselor Johnston. Please go ahead, Counselor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4815.525, "end": 4817.605, "text": "Um Okay, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4820.345, "end": 4822.245, "text": "Have we spoken with uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4823.345, "end": 4827.905, "text": "the province on any MGA code of conduct and if this will be included in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4828.965, "end": 4832.765, "text": "the provincial um code of conduct that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4833.005, "end": 4834.725, "text": "hopefully will be coming down soon." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4835.025, "end": 4839.445, "text": "Counselor Johnston, I'm gonna say that's not before us. Uh we're not going into the merits of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4839.765, "end": 4845.245, "text": "Whether this is a uh good idea, whether we should do it or not. It's purely on the notice of motion checklist. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4845.785, "end": 4852.005, "text": "if you can take a look at the checklist, financial resource capacity concerns, the legal legislative advice," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4852.645, "end": 4857.385, "text": "uh, and so on. So again, this is just the technical merits of whether it's uh ready for a vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4859.665, "end": 4860.765, "text": "Okay. Did did" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4861.265, "end": 4864.685, "text": "you speak to the province on if anything was coming down?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4865.305, "end": 4866.685, "text": "I feel that is technical." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4867.285, "end": 4877.825, "text": "Uh when I uh when I speak to this at council, I will I will share uh a media article that uh uh the the municipal affairs minister has quoted as having no objections." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4878.745, "end": 4879.145, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4879.965, "end": 4880.665, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4882.325, "end": 4882.885, "text": "sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4883.205, "end": 4884.205, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4890.545, "end": 4894.765, "text": "apologize, the computer's not working here properly. Um I had some questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4897.325, "end": 4898.665, "text": "Uh let's see here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4900.465, "end": 4901.465, "text": "Oh, there we go." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4903.625, "end": 4908.665, "text": "Uh we have a review within the ethics advisor's existing contract scope. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4909.425, "end": 4917.045, "text": "I guess would the cost of this uh fall under the ethics advisor's existing contract, or would this be additional?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4918.205, "end": 4926.765, "text": "So again, I want to keep us tight to just the not the merits of of that. Whether the uh again, the reason that we're here is not to have two" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4927.345, "end": 4944.245, "text": "uh debates on the merits of the motions. The the debates on the merits, the cost of whether we should do it, where the money's from, that sort of thing is is a council discussion, at least my understanding, my interpretation of the procedure bylaw. The reason we're here is for a technical review of whether it can be actually properly put." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4944.845, "end": 4947.665, "text": "Okay. So then can I ask if you had" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4948.285, "end": 4950.425, "text": "reached out to our ethics advisor on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4952.385, "end": 4958.685, "text": "There's the notice of motion checklist, which again says that uh the council's ethics advisor was consulted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4959.385, "end": 4960.105, "text": "Right. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4960.105, "end": 4966.605, "text": "So I again I just ask colleagues to just take a look at the notice of motion checklist and a lot of those questions are covered." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4966.825, "end": 4972.765, "text": "Okay. Well, I apologize, it's just previous executive committees we were allowed to ask questions, and uh again, you didn't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4973.585, "end": 4985.385, "text": "block people from asking basic questions that I thought were technical, but I guess not. Um so I guess I don't know what the standard is. You seem to change it every executive committee. So if that's the case I'll just leave it there. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4985.665, "end": 4993.405, "text": "I'd say just in in fairness, Councillor Johnson, I'm I'm looking to the rest of committee for broad support in terms of how I interpret this. I want to be as uh fair and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4993.845, "end": 4994.745, "text": "even as well. But you're not going to be able to do that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4994.705, "end": 4999.005, "text": "fair though. That's the problem. You change your standards every single time depending on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4999.005, "end": 5002.125, "text": "Counselor Johnson, may I continue speaking without being interrupted?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5002.425, "end": 5002.985, "text": "Can I?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5003.525, "end": 5007.985, "text": "Well, uh you asked me a question and I I'm happy to give you an answer if I can speak without being interrupted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5008.945, "end": 5010.225, "text": "It goes both ways then." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5010.625, "end": 5011.245, "text": "Point of order." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5011.565, "end": 5012.265, "text": "Point of order." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5012.545, "end": 5019.805, "text": "Um Robert's rules of order have no personal attacks. I I'm thinking this is becoming personal attacking. We're talking about a notice of motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5021.105, "end": 5033.105, "text": "Please stay on policy. If there's disagreement, take that offline. It's very clear. Uh that is disagree without being disagreeable. And decorum needs to be kept in this horseshoe. So please focus on this matter." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5033.705, "end": 5038.605, "text": "Uh it looks my other colleagues in support. Let's just let's get down to the business of the city and uh get this done. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5038.605, "end": 5045.145, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Panasopoulos. Point of order. Well taken. So you still have the floor, Councillor Johnston, for any questions on the technical merits." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5045.865, "end": 5047.325, "text": "Yeah, no I'm good in there. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5048.145, "end": 5049.785, "text": "Okay, Councilor Shabot's up next." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5054.185, "end": 5055.485, "text": "Okay, my mic is working." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5055.785, "end": 5058.525, "text": "Um, so with regards to legal, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5058.825, "end": 5061.345, "text": "Has there been any legal, any updates" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5061.805, "end": 5063.825, "text": "with legal in regards to any changes in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5064.125, "end": 5066.225, "text": "BMG that might potentially affect this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5068.625, "end": 5075.405, "text": "So, from a legal standpoint, um there was a discussion with myself as well as Dr. Laidlaw, who of course is also a lawyer," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5075.665, "end": 5077.725, "text": "and we have validated the legal" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5078.765, "end": 5081.345, "text": "um aspects of this particular notice of motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5081.545, "end": 5085.945, "text": "And there has been no communications from the province specifically related to this item as" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5086.225, "end": 5087.105, "text": "to your knowledge." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5087.885, "end": 5101.005, "text": "I have not had a discussion with the province specifically about this as to the code of conduct or what we'll call accountability of counselors under the MGA. There is active" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5102.025, "end": 5120.505, "text": "Engagement sessions that are occurring with the province right now. I actually will be attending one on Thursday. So they've placed questions before us that are going to, I expect, be discussed during that meeting. But nothing specific that would affect this notice of motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5121.085, "end": 5123.505, "text": "Through the chair. Thank you for your response, Ms. Flo." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5126.285, "end": 5127.785, "text": "All right. Uh anybody else on this one?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5130.465, "end": 5133.365, "text": "All right. Seeing none, uh perhaps you to close, Councilor Clark, if you want to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5134.305, "end": 5135.605, "text": "Yeah, I'll just um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5135.925, "end": 5141.025, "text": "uh thank the mayor and uh my fellow council colleagues sponsoring this um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5141.865, "end": 5147.365, "text": "notice motion. I think it's great. Again, we're here for technical merit, so I'll keep it very short. Let's move it. We'll talk about it at council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5148.565, "end": 5150.645, "text": "All right, uh, Madam Clerk, let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 5167.205, "end": 5169.305, "text": "Councilor Atkinson is now absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 5169.445, "end": 5174.465, "text": "Councillor Tyres is now absent. Councillor Ward is now absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 5174.865, "end": 5176.165, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5176.265, "end": 5176.605, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 5177.105, "end": 5177.465, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 5178.805, "end": 5179.945, "text": "Mayor, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5180.645, "end": 5182.265, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5187.825, "end": 5192.605, "text": "On that, the uh motion is carried uh 10 to 1 with uh Councilor Shabot opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5193.225, "end": 5194.185, "text": "All right, so we are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5194.925, "end": 5200.805, "text": "on uh 5.2.2 infrastructure and community amenities for conditions for local lay right plans." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5201.085, "end": 5203.945, "text": "Uh Counselor Dallywell isn't with us, but um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5204.325, "end": 5205.545, "text": "Counselor Chabot, did you want to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5205.825, "end": 5207.385, "text": "Could I ask somebody to move it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5208.165, "end": 5210.605, "text": "Oh you're with us. Oh my gosh, Councilor Dallywell. Please go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5211.525, "end": 5221.545, "text": "Well, I expected this, so I thought might as well come because this has become a joke. Um so this is a notice of motion. Uh checklist is attached. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5222.045, "end": 5233.565, "text": "there is no uh financial burden on the city. We already do this work. This notice of motion is gonna be more of a broadcast broadcasting all the work great work that P D S does in the background." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5233.905, "end": 5249.685, "text": "Uh we discussed uh this was thoroughly vetted from uh infrastructure services uh with uh law, legislative services and security and uh planning and development services. So yeah, that's it. And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5250.125, "end": 5252.045, "text": "looking forward to discussion at the council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5252.865, "end": 5255.145, "text": "All right, Councillor Johnston, you're up. You pulled this item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5260.545, "end": 5263.865, "text": "I I guess I was hoping to get a clarification from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5264.205, "end": 5264.885, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5265.185, "end": 5266.885, "text": "Counselor Dollywell on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5267.925, "end": 5272.585, "text": "what exactly it is, I guess. Um could that be technical ask?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5274.005, "end": 5275.145, "text": "Okay. I just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5275.605, "end": 5282.245, "text": "more of a um layman's terms of what it's asking to do is what I was hoping to get for pulling this item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5282.305, "end": 5290.045, "text": "Yeah, I think you're you're fully within your rights at any time to kinda uh just ask a qu clarifying question in terms of what the the text of the motion actually does. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5290.585, "end": 5292.985, "text": "uh we'll ask him perhaps in his close to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5293.305, "end": 5299.785, "text": "To to describe what the motion does. He can be agnostic in terms of his arguments for or against it, but I think he can describe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5299.785, "end": 5304.445, "text": "Yeah, I have no arguments against it. I was just yeah, hoping for his clothes to better describe it. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5305.185, "end": 5305.625, "text": "that's it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5305.865, "end": 5306.365, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5306.805, "end": 5307.785, "text": "Alright, uh anybody else?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5310.025, "end": 5313.645, "text": "Alright, uh over to you, Counselor Dallywell, to close. Uh what is this motion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5314.685, "end": 5393.705, "text": "Yeah, no, I mean uh I thought executive committee was about technicality. This question is not about technicality, but I'm happy to say. So during our public hearing that we had uh during blanket uh zoning repeal, uh blanket blanket zoning bylaw repeal, uh there was lots of concerns from residents about infrastructure capacity, about amenities, about water, wastewater, sewer, uh in related uh in relation to density, and especially also for local area plans where they were not uh sure if we have done the due diligence checks and all that. So, all this notice of motion does is that when we are putting out a new LAP, uh the request is for the PDS Planning and Development Services uh to also do due diligence and provide all the checks along with infrastructure services about water, wastewater, sewer, amenities, and all that, and make that uh information public so our residents have a clear picture. They can go on the website and check, okay, if that was done. Currently, they are already doing that kind of work. It's just a matter of broadcasting it to the public. It's that simple. That's the that's what motion is uh notice of motion is saying please provide that information to the public. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5394.865, "end": 5397.725, "text": "Alright, uh that's closed. Uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5399.125, "end": 5399.445, "text": "Please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 5415.105, "end": 5420.305, "text": "With counselors Atkinson, Tyres, and Ward leaving the meeting. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5420.305, "end": 5420.585, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 5421.565, "end": 5421.925, "text": "You." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 5422.205, "end": 5423.105, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5423.765, "end": 5425.005, "text": "Alright, please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5429.125, "end": 5431.265, "text": "Okay, the motion is carried eleven to zero." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5432.025, "end": 5434.285, "text": "We've concluded the uh notices of motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5434.725, "end": 5435.465, "text": "Or no, we haven't." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5435.865, "end": 5439.345, "text": "Alright, Councilor Yule. Uh over to you to introduce notice emotion updating." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5439.625, "end": 5441.005, "text": "Council chamber seating originals." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 5442.125, "end": 5442.525, "text": "Moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5443.165, "end": 5446.605, "text": "All right. Counselor Johnston, you had questions on the technical merits of this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5447.865, "end": 5454.265, "text": "Yeah, kind of similar to what I had asked uh counselor Dollywell. Um just I guess the question for the mover is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5454.505, "end": 5457.285, "text": "Where did this stem from? Um and I just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5458.645, "end": 5464.005, "text": "noticed on the notice of checklist that facilities wasn't contacted and would that have been a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5465.165, "end": 5469.605, "text": "uh potential um department that should have been contacted? Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5471.765, "end": 5473.305, "text": "that would be for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5475.425, "end": 5480.665, "text": "the mover as well. Um or it was facilities contacted. I guess that's for administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5483.405, "end": 5486.865, "text": "Okay. Anybody else before I go to the mover to close?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5487.045, "end": 5489.145, "text": "Sorry, that question was for administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5489.605, "end": 5490.265, "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5490.705, "end": 5496.185, "text": "I can speak to that through the chair. Uh facilities has been involved and is prepared to support this if needed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5496.185, "end": 5497.145, "text": "They are okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5497.465, "end": 5498.085, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5499.965, "end": 5506.225, "text": "I again, I just hoping the mover can explain why this was brought up. Um and I'll leave it there. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5507.265, "end": 5518.485, "text": "Okay, again, we're on the technical merits, so I think the the rationale, the origin story, the the arguments for or against, I think we can leave at council. But uh over to you, close, uh, counselor you'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5519.525, "end": 5530.425, "text": "Um yeah, just I a quick synopsis. You know, I'm uh the chair of the CAO search committee and been talking with George Cuff, and it was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5531.425, "end": 5534.705, "text": "In conversations with him, reading his book," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5535.345, "end": 5551.585, "text": "when we are making this decision, this very big decision, to hire a new C CAO, we should be looking at all aspects, not just the personnel side, but the physical side of the chambers as well as we're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5552.945, "end": 5563.365, "text": "making this big change. So we're unique in Calgary to have a CAO sit next to a mayor in a chamber. And so just there's no predetermined." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5563.945, "end": 5572.105, "text": "Conclusion to this to this, so it's just a matter of having clerks uh investigate other arrangements uh in council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5573.245, "end": 5574.805, "text": "let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5574.805, "end": 5576.765, "text": "Sorry, could I ask one clarifying question?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5576.945, "end": 5586.665, "text": "Uh if it's now that the mover is closed, we don't allow any further debate, but if it's uh to better understand what's vote we're voting on, uh yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5587.585, "end": 5588.145, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5588.745, "end": 5590.465, "text": "Okay, I missed it then. That's okay. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5590.525, "end": 5598.425, "text": "And and what we're voting on is to as a committee for this note notice of motion to the 28th of July meeting uh to be debated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5602.525, "end": 5604.765, "text": "All right, uh let's engage the evote, please, madam clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 5620.225, "end": 5623.285, "text": "Councillor Tyres is absent. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5623.825, "end": 5624.145, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 5625.005, "end": 5625.625, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 5626.365, "end": 5627.185, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5629.045, "end": 5630.325, "text": "All right, please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5634.865, "end": 5638.065, "text": "On this, the motion is carried 12 to 1 with uh Councilor Shabeau opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5638.645, "end": 5640.885, "text": "All right, notices of motion have uh concluded." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5641.525, "end": 5645.625, "text": "We're up on uh I believe it's 7.2, Chief Administrative Officer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5646.065, "end": 5649.185, "text": "Recruitment and appointment subcommittee update." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5654.825, "end": 5657.065, "text": "Alright, is it our chair introducing this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5658.965, "end": 5659.165, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5662.005, "end": 5662.985, "text": "Uh the only thing to do here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5664.705, "end": 5667.505, "text": "Uh for formality's sake, I'll ask you to approach the podium." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5690.925, "end": 5698.705, "text": "I'll just say I have uh another appointment uh shortly here, and uh at the conclusion of this item I'll ask uh our vice chair Kelly to take the chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5702.505, "end": 5703.165, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5704.025, "end": 5704.845, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5705.805, "end": 5733.545, "text": "so uh this is my very first monthly update uh as the chair of the chief administration administrative officer recruitment and appointment subcommittee. Uh first I want to thank colleagues uh for uh putting their trust in me uh to lead this discussion on what many say is one of the most important decisions we're gonna make uh as a council uh hiring our next chief administrative officer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5734.105, "end": 5738.705, "text": "So a quick synopsis of our committee activities so far." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5739.145, "end": 5752.205, "text": "Our first meeting convened on June 8th, where the committee elected Councillor Wynus as our vice chair of the committee, and I have greatly valued her experience and opinions as we navigate this process together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5752.645, "end": 5767.705, "text": "In this first meeting, we adopted or we opted to direct administration to use the next in order of executive search firms from the existing pre qualified firms, and that firm was Boyd in Canada." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5768.345, "end": 5774.705, "text": "We also agreed to retain an external advisor, George Cuff, to support the subcommittee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5775.365, "end": 5798.385, "text": "In the meeting we held on June 12th, we received detailed a detailed presentation by George Cuff on the role of the chief administrative officer. If you were not able to attend that presentation, please take time to watch the video. This presentation is very important for all of us to watch and understand the role of the CAO." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5800.505, "end": 5817.205, "text": "And so this presentation was to help counselors work through our own key qualities for the next CAO. Counselors were invited to meet with George Cuff before the following meeting to help find some common starting points for our job profile." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5818.465, "end": 5863.245, "text": "Our last meeting was held just before Stampede on July the 2nd. Boyd and Canada gave us a presentation on the recruitment process, and we ironed out some of our key commonalities in our meetings with George Cuff. This provided Boyd Canada with a starting point to begin the building of the job profile. This profile will be presented to council on the July 24th meeting. It will be uploaded to the confidential e scribe a week ahead of this meeting. So I encourage everybody to please review the profile and come with your feedback to the July 24th committee meeting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5864.125, "end": 5870.145, "text": "We will finalize this job posting in that meeting before the August break." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5873.665, "end": 5887.845, "text": "So we've got the timeline up on the screen here. This is the timeline we have for the recruitment process. And currently we are on track to be making the candidate selection in November of this year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5889.085, "end": 5901.765, "text": "Finally, as we always do, we stress the importance of the confidentiality of this process. If we want the best candidate, we need to ensure that this recruitment process is airtight." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5902.485, "end": 5920.445, "text": "Boyden did share some compelling examples for why we need to keep this recruitment confidential, the meetings, the interviews, the documentation. So we need to keep it in the strictest of confidence so that we get the best candidate for this job." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5921.885, "end": 5929.805, "text": "So thank you. I'll take any questions. We could also go in camera if we have any questions regarding the job profile that we're creating." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 5936.985, "end": 5939.565, "text": "Okay. I believe we have Councillor Panasopoulos in the queue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5939.745, "end": 5963.785, "text": "I want to start with thank you so much for your leadership chairing that committee and uh and and the uh engaging you've had with those that have not been on the committee giving us the information. It's been wonderful that you're able to sort of understand. One question I did want to ask is is I love the opportunity to participate, developing uh the role profile, what you wanted, your vision and beliefs uh for a CAO, the 15 of us. And when I think of the CAO, yes, there are one employee, but they" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5964.065, "end": 5966.385, "text": "Serve on behalf of the 17 plus thousand" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5966.745, "end": 5988.865, "text": "Calgarians that work for us. So maybe just talk a bit about that engagement with whether it's the senior leadership team, the executive leadership team, uh just on sort of hopes and desires for they have for their new leader of the city of Calgary. Has that been explored and how is that integrated uh into the uh role? How will it be integrated into the uh role profile given that he or she will lead our uh amazing 17,000 strong? Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5989.105, "end": 6001.925, "text": "And our committee has given uh Boyd in Canada permission to talk with ELT and make sure that they're getting the pulse of what's going on inside the organization as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 6003.045, "end": 6004.525, "text": "Fantastic. Thank you so much. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6007.025, "end": 6009.565, "text": "Anybody else? So Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6011.025, "end": 6033.465, "text": "Perhaps a leading question, but uh uh just wondering if you can confirm for us that uh just despite the fact that these uh the majority of these meetings are uh confidential for the reasons that you outlined, uh all members of council are invited to come and participate in those meetings uh so that you can hear everything firsthand, uh, even the things that can't be uh uh uh circulated uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6033.985, "end": 6043.345, "text": "uh circulated uh because they're verbal because they are verbal uh presentations. Uh yeah, just wondering if you can confirm that all members of council are invited to all of these meetings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6043.385, "end": 6100.865, "text": "Yeah, and and I've made it a point to make sure that I'm reaching out to everybody, reminding them of when the meetings are, so that we can uh make sure that everybody feels that they're they're being included in in this process. I will say though that when we do get to the interview process, we if everybody is invited to take part in that. Um the the committee members will be the ones that will be asking the questions during the interviews. Um but if we would ask that if you are interested in observing that you're you're it's not a drop-in, drop-out side sort of thing. If you are in, you're committed to um coming to those interviews, um, not just one or two, you're coming to them all. Um, because it's it's going to be really important that you you see the full line and not just uh an opinion on one and not not the other, sort of thing. So um we'll we'll talk about that closer too, but um, but yeah, everybody's been welcome to each each committee meeting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6101.725, "end": 6102.445, "text": "Wonderful. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6102.145, "end": 6102.425, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6105.525, "end": 6107.245, "text": "Anyone else uh on this topic?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6111.445, "end": 6116.765, "text": "Okay. Seeing none, uh, I'll just jump in and say thank you, Council Yule, for your leadership. I know that this has been a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6117.365, "end": 6117.805, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6118.265, "end": 6119.145, "text": "heavy lift," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6119.705, "end": 6128.265, "text": "especially during stampede time. I really just want to acknowledge and appreciate you. I've heard really good feedback from my council colleagues, how engaged you've been one on one with everybody to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6128.825, "end": 6135.465, "text": "get the bill the the buy-in, uh, your support uh with uh George Cuff has been uh really impressive as well. Thanks for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6136.005, "end": 6141.325, "text": "uh all the behind the scenes work that's involved in this. This is the most important thing that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6141.685, "end": 6144.685, "text": "our council will do and perhaps do for the next council as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6145.105, "end": 6151.405, "text": "So everything that uh we will do in terms of services, infrastructure, meeting the moment, welcome in the two millionth Calgaryan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6151.665, "end": 6153.185, "text": "That's going to come down to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6153.625, "end": 6157.865, "text": "translating the will and intent of council on behalf of the Calgaryans we serve" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6158.545, "end": 6164.885, "text": "alongside our city administration. So this is the most important relationship. This is the most important thing that we will do because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6165.125, "end": 6167.125, "text": "everything else will fall from that. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6167.565, "end": 6171.325, "text": "thank you for stepping up. I know it's been a lift for you personally, for your staff as well. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6171.825, "end": 6172.345, "text": "my" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6172.845, "end": 6175.725, "text": "Advice to you that I don't think I actually have to give is," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6176.125, "end": 6180.065, "text": "you know, we're we're going through the interview process, the HR piece, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6180.345, "end": 6183.725, "text": "what I've appreciated about your approach is that you're taking the learnings," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6183.945, "end": 6187.065, "text": "the observations from this and trying to apply to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6187.305, "end": 6191.865, "text": "the onboarding, right? So it's about supporting the individual once we find them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6192.125, "end": 6197.205, "text": "I think is going to be really critical. So I'm personally really encouraged by your involvement, and I want to make sure that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6197.465, "end": 6198.885, "text": "as a subcommittee that we're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6199.185, "end": 6204.385, "text": "continue to be engaged with this incumb the the new incumbents so that we can ensure that they are set up for success." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6204.705, "end": 6206.985, "text": "What I also really like that I've just observed too is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6207.405, "end": 6212.185, "text": "you're going through you're reading the book literally on the CAO, literally on the mayor and others." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6212.425, "end": 6217.525, "text": "And what I've loved is you're taking those learnings, you're applying it outside of the just the HR piece. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6217.785, "end": 6219.905, "text": "even the other notice of motion you had for this agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6220.325, "end": 6223.865, "text": "I love the fact that you're making these observations for process improvements," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6224.165, "end": 6225.985, "text": "cheat tweaks improvements. So again," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6226.305, "end": 6230.985, "text": "thanks for the great work that you're doing and thanks for stepping up for what is going to be a very challenging" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6231.425, "end": 6237.345, "text": "uh very quick uh next couple months, but I think if we do this right, uh we can get all our ducks in the row and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6237.665, "end": 6243.865, "text": "have uh an amazing individual to be able to work on behalf of Calgaryans in in a few short months time, but it's gonna come fast. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6244.685, "end": 6246.525, "text": "I really appreciate the work you're doing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6246.625, "end": 6252.585, "text": "No, thank you. I think one of the things I hear from a lot of people is don't screw it up. And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6252.945, "end": 6282.825, "text": "and I and I have a great great team. I'm I I want to thank um uh Vice Chair Wynus. I think uh the the collab with with her has been been fantastic, uh as well as Fareen in in uh administration has been great, and and Kate Um the uh Clerk Martin has been fantastic. I think um we're all learning this uh new process. Uh none of us have done this before, and so um uh we're trying not to screw it up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6283.245, "end": 6285.685, "text": "I think we can aim higher than that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6286.225, "end": 6287.405, "text": "But if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6287.645, "end": 6290.985, "text": "all right anybody else uh want to grill uh Chair Yule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6292.805, "end": 6296.445, "text": "Okay, seeing none, uh maybe I'll invite you to come back and if you want to move the item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6305.225, "end": 6307.565, "text": "Then after the uh debate and uh uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6307.765, "end": 6311.005, "text": "vote on this, I'll ask uh Vice Chair Kelly to take the chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6316.705, "end": 6317.425, "text": "Happy to move." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6319.125, "end": 6321.985, "text": "All right, uh any debate on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6325.805, "end": 6327.265, "text": "Uh Councilor Johnston on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6327.985, "end": 6333.385, "text": "Sorry, just a quick question. Um will these reports be forwarded to council? Just to procedure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6333.945, "end": 6335.505, "text": "Okay, it will be. Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6337.965, "end": 6338.505, "text": "Anyone else?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6340.725, "end": 6343.105, "text": "Okay, seeing none, uh over to you to close, Councillor Yule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6344.725, "end": 6345.285, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6345.965, "end": 6348.145, "text": "All right, Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote, uh please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 6364.445, "end": 6365.885, "text": "Councillor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6367.485, "end": 6367.865, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 6368.425, "end": 6370.365, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6371.065, "end": 6371.385, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 6372.465, "end": 6373.325, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6374.485, "end": 6376.025, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6379.105, "end": 6383.205, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 12 to 0. Give us just a moment to swap out the chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6387.105, "end": 6388.285, "text": "So I think you're uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6389.785, "end": 6391.625, "text": "uh given maybe half an hour, maybe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6392.685, "end": 6394.065, "text": "Seven point three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6394.305, "end": 6394.605, "text": "You're good?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6394.805, "end": 6394.985, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 6403.665, "end": 6404.525, "text": "One complete binder." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6404.865, "end": 6405.505, "text": "no, it's okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6406.485, "end": 6420.285, "text": "Uh thank you all. Apologies for the delay there. Moving on now to 7.3 amendments to bylaw 47M 2025 to enable electronic uh uh delivery of tax notices. I believe we have a presentation. Administration, please take it away." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6420.805, "end": 6426.645, "text": "Uh good morning, Chair and members of Executive Committee. My name is Tristan Sabrizi, a policy analyst with assessment and tax." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6427.265, "end": 6440.925, "text": "Uh today's report recommends amendments to bylaw 47M 2025 to enable electronic delivery of tax notices under Part 10 of the Municipal Government Act and to clarify related delivery authority. Happy to walk through the slides, we can go directly to questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6443.265, "end": 6446.445, "text": "I think for the purposes of committee, let's go through the presentation, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6450.445, "end": 6451.465, "text": "So next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6454.065, "end": 6460.405, "text": "The recommendation is that Executive Committee recommend that Council give three readings to the proposed amending bylaw in attachment two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6460.945, "end": 6470.805, "text": "The amendment would permit electronic delivery of tax notices and related tax documents while also clarifying authority for other documents or communications related to assessment notices. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6473.905, "end": 6483.205, "text": "Council first authorized electronic delivery of assessment notices and assessment review board, or ARB materials, in 2018 through Charter Bylaw 2H 2018." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6483.425, "end": 6491.105, "text": "Subsequent provincial legislative changes moved the underlying authority in section 608.1 from the city charter framework directly into the MGA." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6491.845, "end": 6503.225, "text": "To address that change, Council revised and replaced the Charter Bylaw in 2025 by enacting MGA bylaw 47M 2025 and Companion Bylaw 48M 2025." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6503.705, "end": 6507.785, "text": "Those bylaws carried forward the existing electronic delivery framework under the MGA." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6508.465, "end": 6514.605, "text": "Today's amendment builds on that council approved approach by adding tax notices under Part 10 of the Act. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6517.405, "end": 6521.125, "text": "I'd like to briefly highlight what is changing, what is not changing, and how this would work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6521.785, "end": 6540.645, "text": "As mentioned, the current bylaw already supports electronic delivery for assessment notices and ARB materials. It does not currently apply to tax notices under Part 10 of the Act, meaning tax bills continue to rely on traditional mail. This reliance increases costs, limits customer choice, and creates continuity risks when mail delivery is disrupted or delayed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6541.885, "end": 6548.105, "text": "The amendment would build on the existing framework while also clarifying authority for assessment and tax related documents and communications." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6548.745, "end": 6568.705, "text": "The same secure, consent-based framework already in place would continue to apply. Taxpayers who opt in would receive an email notification that a notice is available in their MyTax account, and notices would not be sent as email attachments. This does not change tax policy, notice content, issuance timing, or existing assessment or ARB practices." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6569.345, "end": 6572.445, "text": "Paper delivery would remain the default unless a taxpayer opts in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6573.425, "end": 6578.645, "text": "If the amending bylaw is not approved, the current approach would remain unchanged. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6581.505, "end": 6593.985, "text": "Current online assessment notice use provides a benchmark for tax notices. In 2026, approximately 97,000 taxable accounts receive assessment notices through my tax, representing roughly 16% of the taxable role." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6594.905, "end": 6600.965, "text": "Based on 2025 printing and mailing costs, current assessment notice uptake avoids around $100,000 annually." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6601.525, "end": 6607.665, "text": "If the same uptake applied to annual tax bills, the estimated avoided cost would be around $153,000 per year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6607.865, "end": 6617.205, "text": "This estimate is conservative as it reflects current annual tax bill costs and does not include potential cost avoidance from additional documents or an increase in online adoption." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6617.925, "end": 6618.745, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6621.365, "end": 6645.685, "text": "In summary, this amendment gives taxpayers more choice, supports service continuity, and stays within an existing council-approved approach. Administration requests that Executive Committee recommend the council give three readings to the proposed amending bylaw in attachment two to enable electronic delivery of tax notices and related documents under Part 10 of the MGA, and to clarify delivery authority for other assessment documents and communications. This concludes the presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6645.965, "end": 6649.325, "text": "Thank you very much. Uh questions for administration, Councilor Panzopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 6649.825, "end": 6682.485, "text": "Thanks so much for presenting. And I'm embarrassed to say that I'm one of the paper. I actually didn't know that we could get our tax uh via email. So so maybe my question comes down to uh it's been eight, nine years with this uh you know e uh ability for electronic. Maybe just talk about that, the marketing side to get the word out to Calgaryans. So material dollar savings and that's some perpetuity. And uh how can you coordinate with somebody like me that uh uh checks at uh you know beginning of June there uh just to make sure that that 16% grows every year where it's only paper at 16% versus uh electronic." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6682.725, "end": 6687.185, "text": "Absolutely. So currently, assessment notices and e notice, or thank you for the question, by the way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6688.105, "end": 6726.925, "text": "Currently, assessment notices are available for assessment communications, so we can send out a notification to the user if they opt in that it's available online in MyTax, so they can log in and download that account. Right now, that you can also get your tax bill online. We just don't have the ability to send that notice to tell you that it's available. So there is annual communications and promotions that go on with the assessment notice that goes out to advise you about my tax. During the roll update, we always plug the availability of MyTax online. Closer to implementation of this rollout, we would be uh looking at a coordinated campaign to promote that uptake. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6727.485, "end": 6731.725, "text": "Getting that buy-in and letting existing users and more people know that it's available." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 6732.145, "end": 6737.685, "text": "Perfect. Let your market success be if I sign up for it, then you know you've communicated the math. Thanks so much. Appreciate it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6737.805, "end": 6738.145, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6741.385, "end": 6742.885, "text": "Your questions, Councillor Counselor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6743.465, "end": 6745.545, "text": "Uh moving over then to Councillor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6746.785, "end": 6748.585, "text": "Yeah, so getting an email" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6748.945, "end": 6750.705, "text": "uh tax notice," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6751.765, "end": 6755.665, "text": "it is deemed to be received the second the email is sent, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6756.145, "end": 6767.785, "text": "Yes. Uh thank you for the question. So uh there is currently a provision in the existing bylaw that once the attack notice is available, it's presumed uh received unless there's uh evidence to the contrary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6768.385, "end": 6771.545, "text": "Right. And so what happens if that is bounced back?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6772.105, "end": 6772.245, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6772.245, "end": 6776.945, "text": "Or if it goes to spam or somebody has a legitimate excuse for not seeing it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6777.205, "end": 6799.945, "text": "Absolutely. So the current standards still apply, so the deadlines wouldn't be waived. That would still stand in place. The tax notice would still be available through your MyTax account, so you can still log in and download that, even if you don't receive the notification. But if there was any question about concerns not receiving the notice, you can always get in touch with Assessment and Tax to help resolve the issue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6801.105, "end": 6802.205, "text": "Okay. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6803.325, "end": 6808.985, "text": "we've only had 16% uh e notices or 16% of the city's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6809.185, "end": 6812.925, "text": "population or tax base on e notice. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6813.985, "end": 6819.305, "text": "what is the promotional plan cost going forward to get that number up?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6819.825, "end": 6845.865, "text": "Right, thank you for the question. So preliminary cost estimates with our communications team have ranged between $10,000 and $20,000 depending on the options we choose, whether that includes a buck slip mail out with traditional paper mail out for the tax bill, or whether it's uh more online content, which is lower cost, so we can promote it through city websites, city services. There's also options for other wider advertising that we can look at closer to implementation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6847.285, "end": 6848.205, "text": "And what would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6849.505, "end": 6851.365, "text": "what does KPI stand for?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6853.345, "end": 6859.865, "text": "Key performance indicator. What would be our goal going forward that uh you would want to see like next year, the year after?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6860.805, "end": 6884.665, "text": "So thank you for the question. Uh right now we haven't established any KPIs for uptake. Okay. Uh any uptake would be an improvement over the current state. So there's not only just the uh cost component, but there's also some of the other uh benefits, including the environmental impacts, where we're not printing and mailing out those paper notices anymore. So ideally, we would at least get the 16% of current users. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6885.165, "end": 6887.145, "text": "Opting in and hopefully more." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6887.985, "end": 6888.685, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6890.125, "end": 6897.065, "text": "are the my tax system changes absorbed in existing IT budgets, or is there a capital ass coming in the next budget?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6897.205, "end": 6897.985, "text": "Yep, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6898.465, "end": 6918.005, "text": "So there's no current ask for this bylaw amendment. Right now, this is just to establish the authority to do this work. There is currently an underlying upgrade project going on for our assessment notice printing system, as well as our tax system, and this would be incorporated into that upgrade that's currently happening." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6919.725, "end": 6926.005, "text": "Thank you. Um and the last question is um a bylaw change like this that affects a whole city, does this require a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6926.245, "end": 6927.385, "text": "public notice?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6927.905, "end": 6949.745, "text": "Great, thank you for the question. So it would have if it were still the previous charter bylaw, but since it's been moved into the MGA bylaw, we do not require the public notification. And in keeping with the previous uh reports that went forward to move this into an MGA bylaw, uh council could decide that publication of this bylaw through the agenda minutes would be sufficient notification." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6951.065, "end": 6952.105, "text": "Okay. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6952.865, "end": 6959.365, "text": "that's for sure. I just curious, like the MGA um uh is legal available? Just I just want to make sure because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6959.585, "end": 6960.985, "text": "I just going forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6962.285, "end": 6964.045, "text": "Uh Mrs. Flowen?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6965.605, "end": 6965.825, "text": "Eagle." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6965.825, "end": 6970.765, "text": "Yeah, Mr. Swin has been working on this file, so he will come down and answer that question. Yeah, thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6974.405, "end": 6985.485, "text": "It was actually a colleague of mine who did the heavy lifting on the file. But no, what w what my colleague uh uh said is is accurate. In this case, there's no public notice requirement like there are with certain other types of bylaws." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6986.025, "end": 6989.265, "text": "What would constitute a uh public notice to go out?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6991.845, "end": 6994.505, "text": "MGA uh section 608.1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6995.425, "end": 6995.905, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6996.045, "end": 7014.685, "text": "most most um planning matters require advertising, and most uh borrowing or finance related bylaws do, uh pursuant to section 606 of the MGA. But most the vast majority of the bylaws of general application don't require any public notice. The notice is essentially given because they appear on the published council agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7014.885, "end": 7022.225, "text": "The only reason I ask is I just wonder if it would help getting more people online if that were the case to do a public notice." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 7023.105, "end": 7024.385, "text": "Nothing prevents" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 7025.045, "end": 7032.445, "text": "the city from publicizing these bylaws in in other ways, but it's not statutorily required. The bylaws valid without formal notice." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7032.685, "end": 7035.265, "text": "What would it cost to do a public notice for this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7038.265, "end": 7044.305, "text": "Maybe I could just jump in for a moment. So I think we're talking about two different things. And I'll stand up so I can see you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7045.025, "end": 7047.225, "text": "I can't see the podium. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7047.485, "end": 7086.445, "text": "So there's stand on my tiptoes. Thank you. So there's advertisement that's required by the Municipal Government Act for certain kinds of decisions for council, which Mr. Swin referred to. Borrowing bylaws are one, public hearings are another. And the purpose for that is so that people know that they have the opportunity to either initiate a petition or so that they can come down and actually speak to counsel and to address the issue. And there's formal advertising requirements. In addition, council can informally direct or administration can simply give the public notice or publicize that there are." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7086.765, "end": 7121.525, "text": "Um, new rules or what have you that are available. They're two very different things because when we advertise officially under the Municipal Government Act, personal notification must be given and there is considerable expense attached to that. If it's just more of a generic four-year information information to the community, um, it could that would be a communications exercise, and it could be something as simple as putting it on the website to having commercials on TV, I suppose, or social media ads, or whatever the other thing is. So depending on what kind of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7122.365, "end": 7125.465, "text": "communication is given to the public would dictate the cost." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7125.645, "end": 7135.905, "text": "Okay. I guess my my question is what's the tipping point of cost savings versus spending money to get the word out there versus what we actually save by having electronic uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7137.725, "end": 7143.185, "text": "uh notices sent out. Do we know what that would be? Like how much we actually save by having" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7144.065, "end": 7148.365, "text": "e notices versus how much it costs to get people to actually to opt into it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7148.485, "end": 7162.725, "text": "Right, thank you for the question. Uh so as I mentioned, we would be saving around 150,000 annually if we got that 16% of the annual tax bill alone. Uh in terms of the actual cost of implementation, that would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7163.125, "end": 7169.025, "text": "closer to the time that we get those exact numbers. So that could be variable depending on how you wanted to promote that. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7169.045, "end": 7175.445, "text": "Would you guys be able to come up with some sort of goals, what you guys are trying to uh some sort of KPIs so we can track it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7175.805, "end": 7176.085, "text": "Sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7176.085, "end": 7179.085, "text": "if the goal is to get more people opting into this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7179.285, "end": 7183.625, "text": "Yep, I'm sure we could uh keep an eye on the uptake once this is implemented and report" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7183.625, "end": 7189.045, "text": "This sorry, this has been eight years of uh online, right? And we're only at 16% after eight years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7189.085, "end": 7189.785, "text": "16%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7190.225, "end": 7191.645, "text": "Yeah, so I would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7192.305, "end": 7196.565, "text": "hope if if uh that is what we're striving for that we can do better than that. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7197.205, "end": 7198.005, "text": "awesome. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7199.905, "end": 7202.105, "text": "Councilor Johnston over to Councilor Shabil." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7205.725, "end": 7206.485, "text": "Uh there's some" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7206.785, "end": 7213.885, "text": "reference in here that it would help in case of a mail delivery disruption. But in the case of mail delivery disruption," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7214.305, "end": 7215.445, "text": "uh, do we not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7215.785, "end": 7217.225, "text": "uh accommodate for that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7218.005, "end": 7221.905, "text": "Thank you for the question. Uh yes, we do try to accommodate with that. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7222.345, "end": 7231.505, "text": "For example, with the Canada Post strike that was looming most recently, there was talk of shifting the mailing dates to accommodate that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7231.785, "end": 7246.485, "text": "If something were to happen again where that strike were to be dragged out, that would limit our options for trying to get those notifications in the mail, and this would allow us to stay on track with having that uh notice available immediately for anyone who opted in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7246.865, "end": 7258.145, "text": "Yeah, so for those folks who are not on a TIP program, um insofar as um when we mail out the actual notice again, there is provisions that council can consider" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7258.465, "end": 7263.205, "text": "to extend the the deadline, right? And I think we've done that in the past as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7263.505, "end": 7265.245, "text": "Right. That's my understanding, yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7266.105, "end": 7270.405, "text": "Okay, and um so this program is a you must opt in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7272.425, "end": 7273.805, "text": "It's sorry, can you say that again?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7273.805, "end": 7274.345, "text": "So there's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7274.745, "end": 7277.285, "text": "unless you opt in, you continue to receive paper," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7277.405, "end": 7277.985, "text": "Yes, that's right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7278.245, "end": 7283.845, "text": "right? Because a lot of my seniors are gonna ask that question of me. It's like this is not gonna take away my paper copy, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7283.945, "end": 7286.305, "text": "Yeah, thank you for the question. Uh paper remains the default." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7286.745, "end": 7288.205, "text": "Okay, thank you. No further questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7289.265, "end": 7290.985, "text": "Thank you, Councillor. Maybe I'll just ask a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7291.345, "end": 7302.605, "text": "follow up on that one right there. The default is remaining right now as paper through this program or through this change. Any consideration for changing the default from an" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7303.225, "end": 7304.805, "text": "uh an opt in to an opt out?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7305.525, "end": 7308.365, "text": "So thank you for the question. We wouldn't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7309.065, "end": 7325.985, "text": "really want to uh make it a mandatory change to online to opt in. That would likely harm some of the access to this if people weren't plugged in or aware of this change. As Councillor Chabot mentioned, some of the seniors people who aren't using online that might limit their access." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7326.165, "end": 7329.445, "text": "All right, excellent. Thank you for the clarification. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7329.945, "end": 7331.305, "text": "Councillor Schbow for a second round." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7331.305, "end": 7341.105, "text": "Yeah, no, I need a further clarification. Uh the notification would be registered to the title as opposed to the individual, or how does that get applied?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7341.565, "end": 7343.125, "text": "So the tax notification?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7343.145, "end": 7345.505, "text": "Yes? Yes, so there's a distinction." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7345.925, "end": 7365.405, "text": "Yeah, so there's a distinction between the assessed person and the taxable person in the legislation. So this would be tied to the taxpayer, which it's typically the same person, but there are leasehold occasions where it's different. So this would be uh you would link your property accounts, and that would be uh tied to your tax bill." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7365.625, "end": 7367.465, "text": "Okay, so if I own a property," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7367.545, "end": 7367.825, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7367.905, "end": 7370.265, "text": "but I sell it and I buy another property," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7370.365, "end": 7370.545, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7371.145, "end": 7378.625, "text": "and that other property previously had received electronic notices, but I never at the previous location, how would that transition?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7378.825, "end": 7381.065, "text": "Thank you. Then it would revert back to paper." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7382.805, "end": 7384.565, "text": "So it would be tied to the user." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7384.845, "end": 7385.125, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7385.445, "end": 7385.825, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7385.965, "end": 7386.425, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7387.905, "end": 7393.225, "text": "Thank you, Councillor. All right. Seeing no other questions in the queue then. Do we have a mover for the motion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7394.745, "end": 7395.445, "text": "Would you like to make it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7396.205, "end": 7399.005, "text": "I think I saw Councillor Pannozoulos first there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7399.685, "end": 7401.405, "text": "Any debate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7403.625, "end": 7407.005, "text": "Not seeing any, then let's uh move to the evote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 7425.925, "end": 7429.605, "text": "Mayor Farkas is absent. Vice Chair Kelly, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7430.105, "end": 7430.905, "text": "Let's see the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7434.085, "end": 7435.665, "text": "And so that's past" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7436.105, "end": 7436.325, "text": "1211" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7437.945, "end": 7438.425, "text": "to nothing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7439.745, "end": 7440.485, "text": "Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7440.705, "end": 7442.425, "text": "I had different things on different monitors." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7442.585, "end": 7451.985, "text": "All right. Thank you very much all. Let's move on then to our next item on the agenda, which would be 7.5 Planning and Development Services Department Overview." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7452.505, "end": 7453.545, "text": "Over to administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7456.885, "end": 7462.265, "text": "Thank you. Just to uh open this and the next item," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7463.525, "end": 7485.145, "text": "we are uh extending um what had started uh in a previous meeting. Uh this report and the next responds to council's request for stronger financial oversight by reviewing budgets on a department by department basis. It provides a clear, consolidated view of financial performance from the years 2023 to 2025." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7486.085, "end": 7499.565, "text": "Today we have general managers for planning and development services and community services, and they'll present an overview of their department budgets. The focus is on comparing planned budgets to actual results and explaining the key drivers behind the variances." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7500.345, "end": 7511.265, "text": "As I mentioned, this is the second of a five part department budget presentation to executive committee. Corporate planning and financial services was previously presented on June the 9th, 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7511.705, "end": 7535.165, "text": "Following today's presentations, operational services will present on September 26th, sorry, 22nd. People, innovation, and collaboration services together with infrastructure services will present on October 27th. And we are currently aligning the schedule and revising it to bring law, legislative services, and security in on one of those two days as well. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7539.205, "end": 7557.185, "text": "Administration is acting asking that executive committee recommend that council receive this report for the corporate record. This is intended to support transparency and oversight and does not include any budget approvals or funding decisions today. And with that, I will turn it over to GM Hamilton to present the planning and development services overview." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7557.585, "end": 7561.445, "text": "I can just pause there really quickly. Madam Clerk, did you have a request to speak?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 7564.285, "end": 7565.445, "text": "Nope, just left my mic on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7565.625, "end": 7569.005, "text": "Perfect. Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Tucker. GM Hamilton." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7569.525, "end": 7597.105, "text": "Thank you very much, Vice Chair, and thank you, CFO Tucker. Committee, before I continue, I'd like to introduce a revised attachment two that clerks does have. This is to correct the narrative related to salary and wage increases. The previous wording inaccurately referenced compensation modernization as a driver of budget increases and budget to actual variances. I apologize for this error. The revised wording provides a more accurate explanation of the factors contributing to salary and wage growth." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7598.125, "end": 7600.285, "text": "And that is the only change in attachment two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7601.665, "end": 7605.725, "text": "So planning and development services plays a central role. Next slide, please," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7606.325, "end": 7625.165, "text": "in enabling Calgary's future by stewarding policies that guide the long term vision of our city, managing how Calgary grows and develops, advancing resilient and sustainability initiatives, supporting businesses through licensing and permitting, and maintaining standards for safe building occupancy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7626.945, "end": 7640.705, "text": "Planning and Development Services includes five business units, and you know most of those. They include city and regional planning, environmental risk and resilience, community planning, development business and building services, and downtown strategy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7641.145, "end": 7645.605, "text": "And we also include one business area, and that is the Service Excellence team." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7646.245, "end": 7672.245, "text": "While the five business units deliver front-facing services to Calgarians and our external customers, our Service Excellence team supports the business units by managing shared technology platforms and improving customer facing solutions, supporting staff training and leading performance reporting. The benefit to Calgarians and our customers is more consistent, reliable, and user friendly services across planning and development services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7674.485, "end": 7677.845, "text": "Our operating expenditures have four different funding sources." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7678.385, "end": 7682.285, "text": "60% come from planning and development services fees," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7682.665, "end": 7684.745, "text": "28% from tax," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7685.105, "end": 7689.445, "text": "10% from the utilities, and 2% from business license fees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7690.525, "end": 7697.865, "text": "Planning and development services fees are paid by applicants and builders to cover the cost of the city's planning, permitting, and inspection services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7698.745, "end": 7703.785, "text": "Our fees have not increased since 2016, despite rising inflation and labor costs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7704.605, "end": 7712.205, "text": "Fee increases will likely be required from the 2027 to 2030 business cycle to support ongoing service delivery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7713.445, "end": 7723.325, "text": "Our department represents almost 9% of the city's next net operating expenditure budget, and we had favorable tax variances in 2023, 2024, and 2025." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7724.045, "end": 7732.585, "text": "Our department's capital represents approximately 1.5% of the city's total capital budget, with unspent capital in each of the years. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7735.645, "end": 7761.505, "text": "Calgary has experienced unprecedented population growth and housing starts. With that, we have seen an increase in permit and inspection volumes as well as council directed policy updates and programs. In response to this increased demand, our workforce force has grown to keep pace. Thus, our net operating budget has increased from 78.1 million in 2023 to 104.1 million in 2025." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7762.105, "end": 7766.805, "text": "All the variances shown by each business unit are the tax-supported operating variance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7767.485, "end": 7774.365, "text": "The variances in 2023 was 9.9 million, and in 2025 it was 6 million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7774.925, "end": 7778.645, "text": "Variances were returned to the Fiscal Stability Reserve at year end." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7780.345, "end": 7789.845, "text": "These variances were a result of several factors, including receipt of unbudgeted government grants and salary and wage that was lower than budgeted as a result of vacancies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7790.425, "end": 7796.425, "text": "In 2024, we see an anomaly in our favorable tax operating variance of $61.6 million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7797.005, "end": 7800.265, "text": "This is mainly due to the downtown office conversion program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7801.025, "end": 7809.105, "text": "There was a placeholder budget from the Fiscal Stability Reserve of $50 million that was not used because it was replaced with funding from the Housing Accelerator Fund." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7810.065, "end": 7810.925, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7813.985, "end": 7822.365, "text": "Our capital budget is funded through both fees at 55% and from tax grants and utility rates at 45%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7822.865, "end": 7830.665, "text": "Capital supports items such as our systems improvements, improved corporate infrastructure resiliency, and workspace requirements." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7831.205, "end": 7837.445, "text": "Our capital expenditure increased from $30 million in 2023 to $32.6 million in 2025." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7838.725, "end": 7847.385, "text": "In any given budget cycle, when unexpected timing of expenses does not match actual spending, the unspent capital funds are carried forward to the next year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7848.245, "end": 7849.225, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7850.685, "end": 7860.485, "text": "As I mentioned earlier, a growing city results in increased activity for planning and development services. Calgary has been leading Canada in housing starts for the last three years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7861.145, "end": 7868.325, "text": "From 2023 to 2026, we saw a 14.2% increase in our full time equivalent positions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7869.105, "end": 7873.705, "text": "These were mainly in community planning and development business and building services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7874.405, "end": 7882.685, "text": "And it were necessary to main our customer service levels regarding application processing and inspection timelines. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7884.445, "end": 7896.165, "text": "In closing, administration is recommending that executive committee recommend council receive this report for the information or for the corporate record, apologies. And we're happy to answer questions from committee. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7896.165, "end": 7899.105, "text": "Thank you very much, GM. Let's start off with Councillor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7899.345, "end": 7900.605, "text": "Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7901.005, "end": 7907.625, "text": "Uh the question is going to be surrounding the uh downtown strategy. Obviously, the biggest line item there 175 million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7908.105, "end": 7912.325, "text": "Last year alone, quarter billion over the last, over quarter billion last four years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7912.885, "end": 7913.465, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7915.125, "end": 7915.765, "text": "I think I've" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7916.005, "end": 7920.085, "text": "made no secret from the last several years that I think this is something the private sector" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7920.685, "end": 7923.025, "text": "uh should be participating in. But I guess" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7924.365, "end": 7925.985, "text": "my question if this is the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7926.665, "end": 7930.985, "text": "one time funding not net basis 175, what's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7931.425, "end": 7934.445, "text": "can we expect going forward for this next four year budget cycle" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7934.865, "end": 7937.485, "text": "for downtrend downtown strategy? What type of uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7938.085, "end": 7938.865, "text": "budget ask?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7941.025, "end": 7946.605, "text": "So I'll ask Director Mahler to come up, but right now we don't have anything in front of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7947.305, "end": 7959.185, "text": "council publicly for the future budget. So I'll ask Mr. Mahler to maybe speak to where we are now and how those funds roll over because of the program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7959.725, "end": 8011.625, "text": "Yes, uh thanks. Uh to this point, we have uh we've been allocated $230 million into the conversion program. That's for the actual incentives of that. Uh approximately 193, uh I have the exact number here if you need it, um, has been committed. So the we have 25 million from the 2026 budget, which is currently being applied for, and there is an additional approximately 9.7 million that is not allocated. So that's the amount that we have funded. We still have uh we've removed 2.68 million square feet of office. Our goal was when we when council originally approved the strategy was to remove six million. So we still have that much to go. So it would be a council discussion about how how much you would still like to continue to participate in the program, but we will have some ask to continue the program in some way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8011.925, "end": 8015.085, "text": "And that opportunity comes up for council on July 28th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8015.085, "end": 8025.485, "text": "Yeah. Okay, and I I appreciate that we want to remove some square footage. A lot of these are old class B C buildings. If we just demolish them, would that not accomplish the same thing?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8026.205, "end": 8027.005, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8027.005, "end": 8032.645, "text": "And have park space, maybe grocery stores and things, amenities for downtown people." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8033.165, "end": 8091.405, "text": "Uh through the chair, so we do have a program currently in the in this budget cycle that was a demolition incentive program, which was just over $2 million. We've only had very small uptake for very small amounts of square footage. So a demolition incentive so far has not had the impact. We can't choose to demolish a building. We can incent them to. So we have. We've had many discussions, but I think what we've what we've heard from most property owners is they're they're reluctant to demolish an asset. They they feel there's a future for repurposing, or uh in some cases they're refurbishing them for office lease. I think we've seen a lot of that in some of some of the properties, uh, some of the larger and less old B and C class buildings where they've actually been able to entice uh First Tower is a good example at ARM Co bot. They've really invested in that property and attracted tenants. So we're working at it from both of those angles, but demolition has not been seen as a successful solution." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8091.405, "end": 8095.125, "text": "Yeah, because that would be the private sector. They'd have to make that decision themselves." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8095.305, "end": 8095.605, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8095.725, "end": 8098.265, "text": "Because they own the building. They could sell the building. The private sector," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8098.945, "end": 8100.685, "text": "I guess that's my argument is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8101.465, "end": 8106.045, "text": "why aren't we leaving the private this to the private sector? Why are we spending so much taxpayer dollars?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8107.185, "end": 8111.405, "text": "I'm looking at BC right now where they have a surplus of gut of product," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8111.705, "end": 8113.325, "text": "which we're seeing here as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8113.665, "end": 8113.885, "text": "The" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8114.445, "end": 8115.505, "text": "federal government is um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8115.965, "end": 8117.845, "text": "bailing them up for billions of dollars." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8118.385, "end": 8118.725, "text": "Like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8119.905, "end": 8122.625, "text": "the argument, I guess, what I'm hearing from my constituents is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8122.905, "end": 8126.745, "text": "why are we spending so much of our taxpayer dollars on something the private sector should be doing?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8127.205, "end": 8178.105, "text": "So we had a report uh through the chair. We did have a report to council just recently where we discussed this in its entirety, and we have I have I can spend additional time with you to go through it in great detail. We had a 27-page report that outlined the basis of the program and why it's not city administration driving the desire to do the removal. It does come in part from the real estate sector, advisory committee of Calgary Economic Development. And the objective is less about you know the goal is to increase property value within the downtown core to allow more of the property tax base to shift back onto the downtown, which reduces the property tax on non residential properties outside. So it's a competitiveness strategy. That's what it is, and that we have the basis for that and all of the analysis, and I'd be happy to go through that and Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8178.365, "end": 8185.105, "text": "Well, we can all take this offline, I think all the counselors to see how much taxpayer dollars, how much of a tax increase we're going to willing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8185.665, "end": 8186.545, "text": "To keep" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8186.725, "end": 8189.705, "text": "funding this model. But you know where I stand, but thanks for your answers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 8190.885, "end": 8208.985, "text": "Thank you, Councilor McLaren. I appreciate the offer to uh to dive a little bit deeper on that separately. We are we're focused on an overview here today, so I recognize the fact that there may be some things that we really want to deep dive in uh into that we might not be able to get into today exactly. But uh let's keep this moving, Counselor Pantozopoulos show." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8209.205, "end": 8227.885, "text": "Thanks so much for the presentation and for answering all those questions offline. I'll try to just ask some uh ones that came up. Uh our fees relative to other jurisdictions. We've held them flat for 10 years. Can you sort of speak to that? The larger centers at Toronto, Vancouver, Edmonton, uh, our PDS, how how do they are relative to other our peers in Calegram?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8227.885, "end": 8228.885, "text": "Our fees, counselor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8228.885, "end": 8230.325, "text": "Yes, thank you. Your fees, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8230.585, "end": 8232.725, "text": "Thank you. I might ask" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8233.185, "end": 8245.625, "text": "one of my colleagues to come up, Ms. Graham, our manager of service excellence, because we have been doing a uh fee review and part of that looked at a jurisdictional scan. So I'll ask Laura to uh speak to that if she can." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8245.685, "end": 8245.905, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 8247.385, "end": 8257.985, "text": "Good morning, Council. I will share, uh we have done a most recent review of different fees across Canada and can tell you that currently the fees within Calgary are competitive with other major jurisdictions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8258.725, "end": 8268.445, "text": "Can you just expand on what competitive? I think there's a mention that in the next budget cycle we're going to increase uh it doesn't have to be the penny, yeah, just what that means, uh competitive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 8268.445, "end": 8274.905, "text": "I I would say competitively within about a 10% range, but I don't have that number off the top of my head. Happy to provide that as a follow-up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8274.905, "end": 8278.265, "text": "If if you could, that would be awesome. Thank you so much. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8278.705, "end": 8284.765, "text": "maybe picking up on that, we've held our fees flat for 10 years. So that suggests that 10 years ago we were" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8285.385, "end": 8289.965, "text": "the bottom decile, now that we're sort of in a better space, like like just simple inflation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8290.345, "end": 8292.285, "text": "Rule of 72 says" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8292.825, "end": 8300.165, "text": "Yeah, was there a conscious decision we were trying to catch up with industry or excuse me our our not competitors but our colleagues and other as uh other municipalities?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8301.105, "end": 8310.745, "text": "I'd suggest that um for so just so everyone's aware, we have not increased our fees for 10 years, and in 2021 we actually did a 5%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8311.265, "end": 8321.005, "text": "Call it a COVID relief reduction, and that reduction has has remained. So at that point we had sufficient" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8323.045, "end": 8358.845, "text": "sufficient reserve levels to support our operations and didn't want to increase fees for that reason. Over the last 10 years, as you know, volumes have been increasing. With that, as I said in my presentation, we have had to increase our staff staffing in order to keep up with volumes to meet service expectations with our customers. We've also had a number of capital projects come to fruition in the last year or two, including this year. And so with that, we're getting to a point of re looking at our fees and looking to keep up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8359.445, "end": 8379.905, "text": "Is the goal for the next four year budget cycle as you review uh to do a hundred percent recovery? I think the budget was darn close, and and I know one of your answers offline it wasn't a precise science, but it is that generally directionally like the sh the shortfall uh for lack of a better term. Is there an opportunity to fully recover that from industry, or how are you thinking about that going into the next cycle?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8380.265, "end": 8421.125, "text": "So we use full we use cost recovery as a principle, I'll say, because if we look at the entire planning continuum from land use items all the way down to building permit and occupancy, there is a lot less certainty at the initial start with land use items. And as a developer builder gets closer to building permit, and at building permit, of course, there's greater certainty. So we we somewhat backend our fees and charge higher fees at the building permit rate, excuse me, to try and cover those costs through the rest of the continuum. But they're not, so each individual permit is not 100% cost recovery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8422.125, "end": 8454.505, "text": "Perfect. Something that I learned as counselor, your business model, your ability to ramp up, you even spoke to it, your FTE jumped as as we went from 7,000 doors to 25,000 doors. So that's been a uh you know wonderful to meet that. Maybe just as you go forward, uh maybe speak a bit about that, you know, the ability to flex and sort of lever up and leave her down. That you know, if we get another hundred thousand Calgaryans moving, that your ability to flex up. And then also if things do slow down for whatever reason, just just about how the budget sort of you you think about that and uh uh from an expenditure perspective, or obviously revenues and how you're matching that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8454.825, "end": 8462.265, "text": "Absolutely. So with our fee-supported staffing, mainly in community planning and development business and building services," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8462.825, "end": 8492.705, "text": "as I said, and you heard me in the presentation, when permits increase, we staff up to meet those levels. And similarly, we will scale down if necessary if volumes drop off. We need to, and that's a little bit where our reserve comes into play because while permit volumes may be declining or softening. Actually, they're softening right now, but they're still at a 10 year high. Like the last two years were extremely unprecedented." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8493.485, "end": 8507.945, "text": "But again, that continuum permits take a while to feed through that continuum. So it's important that we even if volumes start to decline a little bit, we need to keep the staffing levels to allow those permits to go the way through the the um the approvals continuum." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8508.125, "end": 8534.165, "text": "I I really appreciate that you spoke of Kilgarns as customers and you think of that being a service provider. And maybe just speak about what you mentioned deliverables or expectations and timelines. So uh you know as you look back to twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, can you speak to meeting deliverables? Uh were you 100% of the time, 50%, what's sort of your goal and aspirationally, uh, what do you expect? Uh what did you were in the past, and then as you look forward uh to meet those those targets?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8534.565, "end": 8555.345, "text": "Sure, and I'll ask Ms. Graham to come up to it or or and or Director Goldstein and Director Milecki as well if they wish. So because I don't have the specific numbers in front of me, but we we have certain targets that we and they're different for each permit type." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8555.705, "end": 8581.805, "text": "When volumes spike, if we are not staffed up, it is difficult to meet those service level commitments right away, but that is why we do staff up. It's also why we undertake process improvements and we're trying to make things more automatic or or system improvements so that because we know we can't always hire out of high volumes. So I'll maybe look to Director Goldstein maybe to talk about performance metrics and where we're at." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 8582.665, "end": 8582.905, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 8583.165, "end": 8584.105, "text": "Yes, through uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 8584.985, "end": 8586.125, "text": "through the council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 8586.545, "end": 8651.165, "text": "All of our performance metrics are what is really important, it's they are published on Calgary.ca. So this requirement for full disclosure on how we are doing, it's located on Calgary.ca. A really good example is our development permit timelines target is 120 days. So that's like when you make submission to when you would have a decision rendered on that does not include the time that they would be required to complete additional items that are in the applicant's court, not in the city's court at that time. And so we've seen a fluctuation over the years of hitting that target anywhere from 68% of the time up to our target, which is 80 to 90% of the time. And that is really depends on the application type, how many we're receiving. We know we've been receiving record numbers since 2023, and our capacity, as GM Hamilton said, to make sure that we have the staffing resources there to meet those service levels. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8651.545, "end": 8684.405, "text": "Thanks for that. Specifically to staffing, something that caught my attention was the cost savings. Part of it was vacancies. And in the report, it speaks to due to retention issues and challenge of hiring hard-to-fill roles in the competitive market. Maybe just speak to that with that service level expectation, things slowing down. How has that been? Should we be concerned? You know, development drives growth, drives the economy. If that 120 days became something more because we have inexperienced staff, maybe just to that the retention issues, if you could speak to that, is there something more there that as a council we should be thinking about as we go into the next budget cycle?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8685.645, "end": 8686.445, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8686.985, "end": 8712.865, "text": "with the increase in volume, we weren't the only municipality experiencing that. And of course, the private sector was experiencing the same thing at the same time. In fact, a couple years ago, British Columbia put out a there was an article in the paper about the lack of planners nationwide. So, yes, it has been difficult to hire planning and engineering staff, especially at the senior level." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8713.225, "end": 8729.905, "text": "And so a lot of so therefore we had vacancies. Sometimes we had to do multiple postings in order to attract the talent that we needed. And yes, absolutely, with any hiring, there's a learning curve that happens. And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8730.745, "end": 8738.665, "text": "that does impact a little bit the service levels and the timelines, but there's a bit of growth there, and I know industry has been experiencing the same." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8739.705, "end": 8740.445, "text": "At the same time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8741.225, "end": 8748.185, "text": "Perfect, okay. So just part of the industry, hopefully it'll improve as volumes come down and staff retention uh can can stay there as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8748.185, "end": 8774.585, "text": "Yes, and I mean, especially for the permits and the application work, it's it can be high stress work, it's high volumes pressure from various different interested parties who don't always have the same uh outlook and perspective on things. And so it can be a lot of work, and um and there are other opportunities for both planners and engineers within the city beyond planning and development services and within planning and development services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8774.805, "end": 8813.745, "text": "Maybe finally just about capital. Um, you know, 50% 2023, 50% 2024, 50% 2025. At IPC we've heard a lot about a pride of the city getting 90%, and that becomes sort of the new benchmark, and maybe not formally, but you know, certainly informally. Um and that obviously impacts customer service, technology changes. Maybe just speak to that. Why was there a year over year underspend? And then going forward, um, the the 20 odd million underspend in 25 into 26. Maybe just just sort of how we're doing that, what changes you hope to make in the group to get to that 90, whether it's a real target or not. Uh, I'd love to hear a little bit more about your plan. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8814.485, "end": 8876.445, "text": "So we're definitely trying to keep up with infrastructure services and GM Thompson's or previous GM Thompson's goal of 90% spend. A number of we're not there yet, obviously. Another the majority of the variances were driven just by project phasing. Some of the capital work, we need the money at the time of commitments, and then the projects take time to construct before the capital is paid out. Other ones, our workspace initiative, we paused during COVID and reassessed what that looked like and then went forward with that. So there were delays there. And then some of our technology work just simply that we were maybe a little bit too optimistic in what we could achieve in the first couple of years, and the lead up time to getting to procurement was just a little bit slower. So we're taking those lessons learned and going forward, we'll align better." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8876.725, "end": 8878.545, "text": "Wonderful. Thanks so much. Thank you, Vice Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 8880.365, "end": 8882.385, "text": "You, Councillor Panasopoulos. Counselor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8885.965, "end": 8886.905, "text": "So the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8887.825, "end": 8892.305, "text": "the report implies that likely we're gonna need to have an increase in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8892.985, "end": 8894.325, "text": "in the rate structure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8894.925, "end": 8899.725, "text": "Um is that so as to not increase the tax supported portion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8901.505, "end": 8903.165, "text": "Or is there an intent on increasing both?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8904.305, "end": 8906.345, "text": "No, so um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8907.185, "end": 8909.205, "text": "I'm just speaking to fees" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8909.445, "end": 8913.425, "text": "and to those functions and positions that are supported by fee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8915.145, "end": 8915.525, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8915.705, "end": 8916.405, "text": "The um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8916.905, "end": 8920.425, "text": "in the report on page 18 of 30, there's a reference to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8921.145, "end": 8923.245, "text": "the secondary suite incentive program and how." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8924.965, "end": 8928.385, "text": "The half funding contributed significantly to that, but we know" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8928.885, "end": 8932.405, "text": "the half funding has been fully expended on the secondary suite program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8933.305, "end": 8934.325, "text": "We also" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8934.805, "end": 8936.965, "text": "committed $4 million per year" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8937.845, "end": 8939.005, "text": "for the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8939.265, "end": 8943.045, "text": "secondary suite incentive program from property tax dollars." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8943.745, "end": 8947.825, "text": "And much of it, I think, has been driven by the abbreviated" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8950.625, "end": 8951.625, "text": "application" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8952.305, "end": 8955.325, "text": "of the Alberta Building Code that allows." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8955.845, "end": 8956.685, "text": "us to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8957.825, "end": 8963.185, "text": "uh bring suites into compliance that were started before I can't remember 2014 or something." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8963.885, "end": 8969.345, "text": "Do we think that there's still going to be this much of a demand into the future? Is that something that we can discuss" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8969.945, "end": 8973.885, "text": "at budget time as to whether or not that funding needs to remain in place or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8974.565, "end": 8975.425, "text": "maybe be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8976.045, "end": 8976.785, "text": "revisited?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8978.305, "end": 8982.405, "text": "I know you've had discussions with Director Malecki and I'll ask him to come up to answer that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8984.625, "end": 8986.425, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Chabot, for the question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8987.625, "end": 8989.285, "text": "So for the four million," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8989.585, "end": 8993.085, "text": "uh yes, we c we could have those conversations over the budget time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8993.525, "end": 8998.145, "text": "Uh I would say that the incentive though has been tremendously successful so far." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8999.385, "end": 8999.665, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8999.805, "end": 9003.965, "text": "The question is is how successful is it going to be on a go forward basis once those" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9004.225, "end": 9005.165, "text": "abbreviated" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9005.425, "end": 9008.485, "text": "interpretations or utilization of the Alberta Building Code" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9009.465, "end": 9013.745, "text": "Um anyways yeah I guess that's something we probably won't be able to tell until after" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9013.985, "end": 9016.285, "text": "the expiry and that's the end of this year, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9016.945, "end": 9019.445, "text": "That the the amnesty you're referring to, yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9019.605, "end": 9020.145, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9020.565, "end": 9021.365, "text": "Yeah, no uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9022.145, "end": 9024.365, "text": "happy to discuss it further uh after" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9024.985, "end": 9025.905, "text": "maybe next year" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9026.485, "end": 9027.045, "text": "more so." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9027.345, "end": 9030.985, "text": "All right, thanks. No further questions for me. The rest of the report was pretty self explanatory. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 9031.945, "end": 9032.705, "text": "Councillor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 9032.845, "end": 9034.845, "text": "Uh over to you, Councillor Johnson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9036.305, "end": 9036.865, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9038.045, "end": 9042.525, "text": "you guys look after business licensing and and that's uh permitting for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9044.325, "end": 9045.625, "text": "let's say HVAC" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9046.245, "end": 9046.765, "text": "Trades?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9046.765, "end": 9048.145, "text": "rate. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9049.885, "end": 9052.145, "text": "I have personal experience with this. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9053.765, "end": 9055.305, "text": "are you looking at increasing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9057.105, "end": 9059.045, "text": "the smaller side of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9059.385, "end": 9060.305, "text": "licensing," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9060.765, "end": 9062.625, "text": "um small businesses and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9063.325, "end": 9070.025, "text": "let's say smaller permits? Like would that be included in the tax increase? Or sorry, the uh license increase" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9070.105, "end": 9070.985, "text": "The fee increase." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9070.985, "end": 9071.325, "text": "the increase." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9071.325, "end": 9090.105, "text": "I know we're looking at permit fees. Let me just confirm with the team if we're looking at business license as well. Yes? Okay. So yes, we would be looking at a fee increase for for both schedules, the degree to which I'm not quite certain yet, but it's we're working on that now, and we will be bringing that forward in November." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9091.465, "end": 9098.005, "text": "Why why have a tenure hiatus on fee increases? Like what was the rationale between not increasing it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9098.745, "end": 9118.165, "text": "So as I answered um Counselor Pantasopoulos, there were a number of factors in play there. Our our reserve balance was was healthy enough that we didn't need to increase fees. And then COVID hit, so we actually did a five percent fee relief and uh left the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9118.485, "end": 9130.125, "text": "The fees frozen. We committed to that over the last four-year budget cycle, not quite knowing that the volumes would increase as they did. So we're now in a point where we need to relook at that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9130.225, "end": 9136.485, "text": "Sorry, no, I d I did hear the question and answer with Pansopolis, but I guess the follow through would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9137.905, "end": 9141.825, "text": "reserves go away at some point, right? I just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9141.825, "end": 9142.745, "text": "Reserves go away." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9143.145, "end": 9146.065, "text": "I mean if you dip into reserve long enough it goes away." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9146.925, "end": 9147.405, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9148.585, "end": 9161.045, "text": "at what point did you realize that is is now the point you realize that that reserve is now low enough that you have to increase it, or wouldn't it have been more fiscally prudent to um at least keep fees with inflation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9162.505, "end": 9187.665, "text": "So we uh we monitor our reserve, we monitor our volumes, we obviously monitor our expenses. Um we have had to uh withdraw from the reserve for operating only in the last two years, and that again is due to the significant increase in volumes and therefore staffing levels. But we had also made a commitment to not increase fees for the last four year budget cycle." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9188.385, "end": 9195.425, "text": "So we're at the point now where we're reconcil we're we're looking at that and and what percentage increase we need to do" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9196.265, "end": 9201.565, "text": "Was that council decision or administration decision as a commitment to not increase fees?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9202.345, "end": 9223.745, "text": "a little bit of both. Um so council approves our fee schedule and uh previously when we brought that forward, and especially when we did the 5%, um it was agreed to that we wouldn't um increase fees. If we needed to, we would have come back to council to request that, but we've been able to manage. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9224.345, "end": 9229.225, "text": "To this point, but we need to we need to think this differently for the next four year cycle." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9232.725, "end": 9248.705, "text": "Are we under different constraints in the last four years? Like what what changed other than the reserves? Okay, well, first question is what do we have in the reserves right now? I think there's two of them, right? Planning development, sustainment reserve, and business license reserve. Do you have the numbers of what's in those reserves right now?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9249.185, "end": 9259.265, "text": "So at the end of 2025, our reserve was at 77.66 million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9259.425, "end": 9264.465, "text": "And the business license fee one I do not have in front of me. Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9265.485, "end": 9266.245, "text": "Does anyone have that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 9270.765, "end": 9273.365, "text": "Counselor Councillor Johnston, sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 9274.205, "end": 9276.105, "text": "Business licensing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 9276.345, "end": 9278.945, "text": "sorry. Business licensing is about nine million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9280.185, "end": 9280.585, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9281.325, "end": 9286.425, "text": "And so historically, when we were dipping into it, um, how high was it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9286.945, "end": 9306.785, "text": "So we we tip counselor, we typically use our reserve to support and fund capital work, capital improvements. We have a target balance of having 75% of our budgeted operating expenses in the reserve, if and when we need to draw on that. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9308.105, "end": 9320.565, "text": "the high volume of permits have kept us afloat during the last several years. And we've also had an increase in technology and capital improvements coming to fruition in the last couple of years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9321.605, "end": 9328.725, "text": "Sorry, you you bring up capital as the reserves were to be dipped in if you needed capital, but you've chronically" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9329.605, "end": 9332.325, "text": "over budgeted in the capital." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9332.945, "end": 9333.545, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9333.745, "end": 9337.805, "text": "why have a reserve if you're just underspending every year as it is?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9339.445, "end": 9368.285, "text": "So as I mentioned, we have we are learning as we go to better align our forecast with our budget. Some of our technology work has been slow to start and slower to start than we anticipated. Our work space requirements and our workspace initiative, we actually put on pause during COVID to wait to find out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9368.545, "end": 9380.905, "text": "What the world will look like after that, and what our space needs would be. So there was a delay there. And then, of course, and some of our other capital work is related to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9381.805, "end": 9391.065, "text": "facility improvements, etc. And so we need to have that capital in place and budgeted for before the contracts or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9391.625, "end": 9397.005, "text": "to have the contracts there, and then it doesn't get spent until the work is done. So there's a delay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9397.265, "end": 9398.985, "text": "Right. So it sounds like we're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9399.205, "end": 9421.205, "text": "maybe a little late on ramping up our planning department to match what was probably an explosion of a population in Calgary. Are we prepared that if that population uh decreases over the next five years and potentially some of this isn't necessary, if we go back to a historically uh sustainable population increase?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9423.405, "end": 9446.665, "text": "So I will say that from a capital perspective, we are always in the works of making process improvements and improvements for our customers and our our staff to serve our customers. So that is not going to stop no matter if the volume of applications softens. Volumes of applications are softening right now, but they are still." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9447.045, "end": 9459.065, "text": "Higher than the last 10 years. So we still are receiving quite a few applications. But as I mentioned earlier to committee, we scale up and we scale down as necessary and needed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9459.785, "end": 9460.985, "text": "Okay. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9461.505, "end": 9467.125, "text": "I guess I wish we had more numbers on what the proposed fees would look like. I'm sure there's a lot of businesses out there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9468.025, "end": 9478.145, "text": "Would want to know that to prepare for next year. And my I guess my question is why couldn't we see this before budget or potentially after budget?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9479.205, "end": 9481.125, "text": "I'll let CFO Tucker weigh in on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9481.845, "end": 9482.905, "text": "when things are shared." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 9483.985, "end": 9493.765, "text": "So the general concept about fees and how we plan those into the process for the four year, but as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 9494.925, "end": 9550.665, "text": "Do the analytics on it. We're currently looking at that information as we prepare for November. And so if we think about it, we're you know coming out of uh June into July and we're doing the analytics for what those fee increases will come before council in the fall, and those fees are for uh 27. So from a lead perspective, um the analytics is going on about what types of volumes um have been seen, expected, and uh potential variances with those volumes, but also what does it look like for us to remain and keep that service going forward? So it's it's more of a lag time for when we have the information when it gets to council for approval, but it really we try to mesh that all together when we're in front of you for November, when we're looking at here are all the revenue streams that we see coming in, here are all the expenses, and this is what it looks like for the city in total." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9551.105, "end": 9561.325, "text": "I I guess my fear is, and I I'm trusting you guys here, but my fear is that we experienced a very favorable um period of time in Calgary where" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9561.625, "end": 9562.145, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9562.845, "end": 9566.605, "text": "how how many st housing starts, right? How many like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9567.305, "end": 9570.425, "text": "My worry is that we're trying to sustain what was a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9570.945, "end": 9575.565, "text": "uh a period of uh planning utopia um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9576.545, "end": 9587.185, "text": "and now we're gonna start seeing a major decrease in potential permits and that um and we're trying to sustain the level um of what it was. So um I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9587.465, "end": 9591.985, "text": "do do we have an idea of what these fee increases will be a percentage wise? Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9592.965, "end": 9599.045, "text": "it just seems like if a report were to come, like we should have all the numbers available if they are available." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 9600.885, "end": 9637.165, "text": "So I can start on that. So again, for today and for these uh sessions with executive committee, this is uh around information and transparency over the last uh cycle. So a lot of this is historic going from 23 forward to now, and talking and discussing about what was the budget, what were the actuals and the variances uh really as a grounding for what does the financial activity of the city look like by department. When we move into um specifically July 28th coming up, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 9637.545, "end": 9668.805, "text": "That'll be exactly when we start to transition into that what will things look like? And so when we come in July 28th, we'll have uh some high level estimates of what some of the revenues will look like, what will some of the high level uh to the extent that we have that information available, what will some of the high level changes look like for fees? Um, but it'll be in that uh space. So today was really more of a look back and um grounding, and then we transition into forward looking uh and continue on that way on the 28th of July." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9669.185, "end": 9673.345, "text": "But part of this report is a proposed fee increase though. That's correct. It's not?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9673.525, "end": 9693.185, "text": "No, no, Counselor. I I am just uh alerting council or committee to that fact that that is likely to come at budget time. And I believe, Counselor Johnson, what I may be hearing from you is how is how are customers going to know about this and how early will they know about this fee increase? Is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9693.185, "end": 9699.265, "text": "Well, kind of. Is it 100%? Is it 200%? Is it 10%? Because economic development would rely on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 9699.265, "end": 9715.785, "text": "Maybe I'll jump in there if you don't mind, Counselor. That uh I appreciate CFO Tucker's recommendation or acknowledgement here. The fact that this is about historical uh the how the department works and where we go to next is is is not before us right now, but will be before us in the next couple of meetings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 9716.465, "end": 9725.105, "text": "Um while I uh jumping in here to interrupt, uh can I seek unanimous consent to conclude this item before uh we start our lunch break?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 9726.485, "end": 9727.585, "text": "Anyone against?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 9728.245, "end": 9730.405, "text": "Okay, we'll do that then. Counselor Johnson back to you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9730.505, "end": 9745.665, "text": "Okay. Again, the fee increases has been talked about by multiple counselors. So I'm hoping that it's been brought up now. And and maybe your company coming from out of town and thinking, oh well, I want to o uh start shop here and uh they don't know what the fee increase is gonna be. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9747.025, "end": 9753.285, "text": "Right. And so I just thought if it's available, we should probably present it. Otherwise we're just titillating." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9754.485, "end": 9760.965, "text": "So, counselor, I'm through the chair, I'm I'm giving committee and council heads up. Uh we don't have, I know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9762.665, "end": 9786.585, "text": "Uh we don't have the uh specific numbers right now. Um, but we do have multiple advisory committees with industry, and once we have a better idea of what this is going to look like, we will be speaking with our industry uh colleagues through those advisory committees so that they're well aware before the timing, before budget comes to and everything is put before council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9786.605, "end": 9802.945, "text": "Okay. I would just I guess caution going forward about um bringing up stuff like this because it does affect a big portion of the city of small businesses and big businesses alike. Um that we not maybe come more prepared, but just uh know that that will affect a lot of people. And now they're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9803.365, "end": 9821.365, "text": "Probably rushing to figure out if they can afford to continue operating depending on what this fee increase will be. So I appreciate that this is a historical look back on planning department, but if uh something is brought up, it's on the public record and people are gonna see this right across the country. So um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9821.625, "end": 9822.085, "text": "just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9822.985, "end": 9824.465, "text": "I think it's important to say that. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9824.465, "end": 9825.705, "text": "Fair enough. Fair enough. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 9827.085, "end": 9843.305, "text": "Uh thank you, Councillor Johnson. Uh I'll just recognize for everybody as we go through this, as we go through this process, uh all our fees will be looked at during the uh four year budget. So heads up to all Calgarians on that front. Um to Councillor Penazopoulos for a second round." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 9843.305, "end": 9854.585, "text": "I apologize. I missed two questions. Um the the second largest expenditure item for the th uh three year budget was transfer payments. Can you just speak to that? Like in twenty five it was eighty-four million" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 9855.225, "end": 9859.165, "text": "And 26 budgets, almost 200 million. What what does that relate to?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9859.445, "end": 9863.245, "text": "I will ask our finance manager to come on up and help me with that one. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9864.085, "end": 9865.245, "text": "This is Crystal Kote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 9870.825, "end": 9871.525, "text": "Good morning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 9872.725, "end": 9876.725, "text": "The transfer payments are transfers to external individuals" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 9877.225, "end": 9883.625, "text": "or organizations, and the majority of the transfers were due, were actually" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 9884.925, "end": 9885.965, "text": "for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 9886.325, "end": 9892.865, "text": "half secondary suites as well as the downtown incentive and downtown incentive program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 9893.205, "end": 9923.985, "text": "Thank you so much. And and while you're up there, um uh the shared services, I I see there's expenditures on HR, comms, marketing, finance. And and just just curious as we go into budget again, um, wouldn't there be a shared service? Like, like why would the group have its own marketing team when the city of Calgary has a marketing team? Are there synergies using the existing? Maybe just speak a bit about that, those shared services that uh by default would be somewhere else, but uh even yourself in finance, maybe just that why is there a finance group embedded within a department when" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 9924.445, "end": 9928.225, "text": "CFO Toker's got a wonderful team there and uh supporting the the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9929.105, "end": 9932.445, "text": "So I might start and then I'll turn it back to Crystal. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9932.805, "end": 9935.425, "text": "Crystal is on CFO Tucker's team." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 9935.425, "end": 9936.585, "text": "Fantastic. Wonderful." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9938.025, "end": 9950.825, "text": "All of the strategic partners that you just mentioned law, communications, engagement, HR, finance, et cetera, are embedded in their respective departments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9951.285, "end": 9954.405, "text": "we pay a service for the or we pay a fee for those service. I'll let" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9955.125, "end": 9957.085, "text": "Ms. Cotes ex elaborate on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 9957.745, "end": 9959.025, "text": "I don't think there's anything further" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 9959.165, "end": 9959.545, "text": "to add." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 9959.545, "end": 9962.905, "text": "Nope, I I miss Red. Thank you so much for that clarification. Thank you, Vice Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 9963.845, "end": 9964.885, "text": "Thank you, Counselor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 9966.365, "end": 9983.965, "text": "And think of your questions. I had like four. You nailed three of them in your first set of questions, and then you, I was like, great, he hasn't asked about transfer payments. I can ask about that. But there you go. You asked about it in your second round. So not seeing any other questions for administration here right now. Can I have a mover for the recommendation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 9986.325, "end": 9988.105, "text": "Counselor Panasopoulos has moved it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 9988.945, "end": 9990.045, "text": "Any debate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 9992.585, "end": 9996.445, "text": "Not seeing any, then uh let's move and engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 10009.705, "end": 10013.065, "text": "With Mayor Farkas being absent, Vice Chair Kelly, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 10013.365, "end": 10014.965, "text": "Display the results for us, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 10017.065, "end": 10031.685, "text": "That carries 11 to nothing. Thank you very much to the planning and planning and development team. We really appreciate the overview of your service. This is a very educational process for us. So thank you very much. We will return. Kirk, can you confirm the time for us? Our return." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 10032.325, "end": 10037.005, "text": "It's a one-hour recess, so it's 12.05 right now, so committee will resume at 1.05." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 10037.065, "end": 10040.765, "text": "We will resume at 12.05 with item 7.6. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 10041.325, "end": 10049.765, "text": "sorry, 105. 105. We're already back. With 7.6 an overview of community services department. Thank you all." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 13729.225, "end": 13732.925, "text": "Okay, welcome back everyone to our executive committee meeting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 13733.325, "end": 13735.605, "text": "Click Martin, can you please call the roll?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13736.085, "end": 13738.545, "text": "Thank you. On the roll, Councillor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13739.145, "end": 13740.125, "text": "Councillor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13742.265, "end": 13743.645, "text": "Counselor Shabot, I think I heard you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 13744.445, "end": 13744.865, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13744.965, "end": 13745.505, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13745.985, "end": 13746.425, "text": "Noted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13746.645, "end": 13747.545, "text": "Councillor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13747.765, "end": 13748.705, "text": "Counselor Dolly Wall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13750.825, "end": 13751.885, "text": "Councillor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13752.505, "end": 13753.605, "text": "Counselor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 13753.705, "end": 13753.885, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13754.185, "end": 13754.965, "text": "Counselor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 13757.385, "end": 13757.665, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13758.165, "end": 13759.045, "text": "Counselor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 13760.185, "end": 13760.625, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13760.665, "end": 13763.605, "text": "Counselor Pantozopoulos. Counselor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13764.025, "end": 13765.245, "text": "Counselor Tyres." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13765.585, "end": 13766.545, "text": "Councillor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13766.905, "end": 13767.965, "text": "Councillor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13768.985, "end": 13769.905, "text": "Councillor Ewall," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 13770.005, "end": 13770.205, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 13774.725, "end": 13777.185, "text": "and Mayor Farkas is absent. Thank you, Vice Chair Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 13778.825, "end": 13785.005, "text": "Thank you very much. We are now going to pick up with item 7.6, Community Services Department Overview." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 13786.925, "end": 13789.705, "text": "GM Black, I think we're straight over to you. Over to you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13789.705, "end": 13812.525, "text": "Thank you, Vice Chair Kelly. It's terrific to be with you this afternoon. And as you've already heard from my general manager colleagues last month and earlier today, I'm here to present the look back at the operating and capital budget performance for the Community Services Department from the period of 2023 to 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13813.085, "end": 13814.205, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13815.865, "end": 13817.945, "text": "I have a brief presentation," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13819.645, "end": 13820.465, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13821.365, "end": 13822.405, "text": "I hope that's not bad." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 13822.885, "end": 13827.025, "text": "All right, just a reminder to everyone if you're online, please mute your microphone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13828.585, "end": 13865.585, "text": "We're seeking to have committee recommend that council receive this report for the corporate record. But before I speak to what's in the report, let me tell you about what's not in the report. This report excludes the financial results of the Calgary Police Service, of other related authorities such as the Calgary Public Library Board, Calgary TELUS Convention Center. Those are consolidated and represent and presented in the city's annual financial report under community services. So you do see that in some settings, but not in the review that we're doing today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13866.585, "end": 13867.645, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13869.525, "end": 13885.225, "text": "As you know, community services supports the safety, well being, and quality of life of Calgarians. Six business units contribute to this mandate Calgary Fire, Emergency Management, and Community Safety," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13885.825, "end": 13890.085, "text": "Recreation and Social Programs, Community Studies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13890.745, "end": 13900.745, "text": "Partnerships and civic partners, and just recently the Chief Housing Office. Their directors and chiefs are all with me today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13901.465, "end": 13919.285, "text": "Between 2023 and 2026, demand for these services increased significantly, driven by population growth, social and economic pressures, public safety concerns on transit and in communities, and housing availability and affordability challenges." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13920.365, "end": 13932.545, "text": "Community Services is managing growing service demand while also responding to significant operating, capital, staffing, and partner delivery pressures. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13934.805, "end": 13956.525, "text": "The community services operating budget has increased over the past four years to $671 million in 2026. That's an increase of $217 million or 48% over that period. The growth reflects higher service demand and increased council investment in emergency response." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13956.885, "end": 13959.225, "text": "Community safety, housing," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13959.745, "end": 13962.805, "text": "recreation, and partner delivered services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13964.005, "end": 13969.205, "text": "One third of the operating budget flows to nearly 500 community partners," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13969.845, "end": 13981.745, "text": "including social service and recreation organizations, arts and cultural groups, community associations, some of whom you heard from this morning, and business improvement areas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 13982.745, "end": 14001.025, "text": "The biggest portion of our support for partners is in grants to civic partners, which increased to $157 million in 2026. That was an increase of 16% from when this period began in 2023." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14001.685, "end": 14022.525, "text": "Community services reported favorable operating variances between 1 and 3% for each of the years in this period. Those variances were mainly temporary labor savings related to the timing of retirements, hiring, and training, particularly in fire and emergency management community safety." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14023.925, "end": 14034.805, "text": "These savings helped offset higher costs for fleet and maintenance, and fleet maintenance, leased fire engines and stations, and other rising expenses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14035.725, "end": 14043.005, "text": "Higher than budgeted revenue was mainly related to provincial and federal funding for emergency response." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14043.265, "end": 14047.805, "text": "Housing and community grant programs directed to community partners." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14048.985, "end": 14049.945, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14051.985, "end": 14073.425, "text": "When we turn our attention to the community services and civic partners capital budget, we see a reflection of the timing and scale of major capital projects. Capital budgets support key investments in emergency response capacity, community safety infrastructure, affordable housing, and in civic partner facilities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14074.305, "end": 14081.965, "text": "The capital budget has ramped up considerably over the period to $491 million in 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14083.165, "end": 14095.065, "text": "The increase reflects major investments supported by the Federal Housing Accelerator Fund, as well as continued investment in fire halls and apparatus and emergency management technology." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14096.625, "end": 14108.765, "text": "Annual capital spend rates improved over this period based on project timing from 49% spend rate in 2023 to 103% spend rate in 2025." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14110.085, "end": 14128.865, "text": "I'd also note for those of you looking at this and wondering about where's the game plan, that recreation facilities budget has been consolidated within infrastructure services, and so that will be addressed in infrastructure services presentation of this nature that will happen in September." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14129.825, "end": 14130.725, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14133.745, "end": 14150.345, "text": "Community Services has a staffing complement of 3,630 full time equivalents in 2026. This represents an increase of 525 full time equivalents or 17% over this period." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14151.345, "end": 14160.785, "text": "In addition, approximately 600 seasonal employees in recreation and social programs support seasonal, community, and recreation programming." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14161.665, "end": 14180.125, "text": "Most department staff are unionized, with 94% of employees covered by union agreements. And so union settlements represented roughly $76 million, or 36%, of operating budget growth between 2023 and 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14181.225, "end": 14199.005, "text": "The staffing story is therefore closely tied to both service growth and cost growth. Additional staff support expanded and higher demand services while negotiated compensation increases are now embedded in the operating base." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14200.145, "end": 14201.025, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14202.605, "end": 14208.945, "text": "This concludes my presentation. My team and I would be happy to address any questions that you may have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 14210.765, "end": 14214.325, "text": "Thank you very much, GM Black. Councilor Johnson, better up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14214.625, "end": 14220.065, "text": "uh first question. Um just on the second last slide there that showed the different" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14220.445, "end": 14221.125, "text": "FTEs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14221.225, "end": 14222.245, "text": "departments" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14223.485, "end": 14231.365, "text": "we're able to Yeah. Um at one point was Calgary Police on there before it went to commission? No, it was never as a community service." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14231.445, "end": 14248.145, "text": "Correct. Calgary Police Service has always reported to the Calgary Police Commission. And so while there's a dotted line relationship to the work of community services, very, very essential partner in the work, it n would not show up in any of these reports." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14248.245, "end": 14251.965, "text": "Just quick question. Um when would we ever see like the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14253.445, "end": 14254.265, "text": "the the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14254.825, "end": 14272.225, "text": "service member level um for Calgary Police? Um my only fear is that Calgary Fire could could potentially go down the same route and we wouldn't see the same information we would see on this form, right? If it went as a commission as well with Calgary Fire." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14273.765, "end": 14290.925, "text": "So, two comments. First of all, to your question about uh Calgary Police. I'm 99% sure that that's information that they present in their annual report. I'm trying to make eye contact with our two police commission reps. Do you recall if that's in the annual report that the service provides?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14294.405, "end": 14303.505, "text": "I'm pretty sure that in the annual report you could see that information. Certainly we could ask for it at any time. It's available in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 14303.505, "end": 14306.565, "text": "I'm pretty sure you're correct that is in their annual report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14307.645, "end": 14330.805, "text": "Thank you. Then the other thing when you ask about a fire commission, one of the things that I think we'll be hearing about when that discussion comes back in September is the recommendation that we not separate a commission but rather that we're looking at a fire services committee of council. So we would still expect to see this kind of information presented." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14332.065, "end": 14335.845, "text": "Right. And then just with uh uh Mr. Tucker. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14336.945, "end": 14340.565, "text": "When we get our budget report going into the budget, we'll see" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14341.105, "end": 14346.085, "text": "everything. Kind of like what we saw before the mid-cycle of budget adjustment where you gave us like a big" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14346.845, "end": 14349.505, "text": "book of every full time employees and all that, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 14350.245, "end": 14364.225, "text": "That's right. Just in terms of how we stage that, heading into July 28th, we won't have that full level of detail. It'll be at a higher level. But then as we prepare and as you receive those documents for November, it'll have the FTs laid out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14364.725, "end": 14365.685, "text": "For every department." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 14366.205, "end": 14382.405, "text": "We'll have it for every department. I'm hesitating with super confidence around the police services. That may be a conversation that we have in camera with them. I'm not sure if all of their detail becomes public, but that can be a conversation in camera. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14382.585, "end": 14389.205, "text": "Okay, but again the risk with Calgary Fire going into a commission, we potentially lose that same line of sight." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14390.225, "end": 14390.585, "text": "No?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14390.925, "end": 14391.625, "text": "I sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 14392.005, "end": 14403.905, "text": "But I can actually maybe just jump in there. Fire commission's not before us, not even now, but like it's a fire services committee, is what the notice of motion was about. So fire commission has not been proposed at this time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14405.465, "end": 14405.645, "text": "I've" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14407.205, "end": 14407.565, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 14407.725, "end": 14420.885, "text": "So what what I believe that what you're concerned about with the the the more difficulty in terms of the transparency as it relates to the police commission, uh that's not uh something that's being proposed yet for uh for fire." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14423.005, "end": 14425.345, "text": "police or fire commission hasn't been proposed yet." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 14425.425, "end": 14429.685, "text": "Uh no, the notice of motion that Councillor WineS brought before was for a fire services committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14429.685, "end": 14433.985, "text": "It's a committee because a commission adds increased cost to operating, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14434.565, "end": 14435.905, "text": "a committee allows" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14436.165, "end": 14444.785, "text": "council and the public members we will hopefully put on this to see the line of sight constantly. So you actually get more transparency off of standing it up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14445.205, "end": 14446.445, "text": "Okay, I appreciate that. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 14446.445, "end": 14446.905, "text": "Thank you, Counselor Wine." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14446.905, "end": 14447.285, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14448.285, "end": 14457.165, "text": "Uh of the 217 million in operating growth this cycle, how much is one-time funding that will be presented in November as an ongoing ask?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14460.245, "end": 14469.765, "text": "The items related to the September or November reports are not part of what we're considering here, so I don't have that information." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14470.105, "end": 14471.605, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14472.605, "end": 14479.965, "text": "We have a full year ongoing cost of the 43 officer transit safety pilot program. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14480.925, "end": 14485.165, "text": "what outcome data will council see before we're being asked to make it permanent?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14486.165, "end": 14500.625, "text": "Uh to the briefing that was at committee just yesterday. Uh we are expecting a full report on the pilot before the end of the calendar year, so it should be uh ready to inform the discussions in November." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14501.625, "end": 14504.845, "text": "Any anticipated costs that you know of before that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14505.745, "end": 14506.565, "text": "Not before that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14507.245, "end": 14507.665, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14508.185, "end": 14509.005, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14512.385, "end": 14524.165, "text": "Uh what is the total unfunded fire fleet replacement liability over 10 years at $2.2 million per engine? And is lifecycle funding proposed for 2027 2030?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14525.885, "end": 14526.405, "text": "That might be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14526.405, "end": 14528.245, "text": "What a robust question that is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14528.245, "end": 14528.665, "text": "sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14528.665, "end": 14530.085, "text": "I I don't know if uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14530.525, "end": 14535.005, "text": "anyone anyone in the phonafriend category can help me out here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 14538.745, "end": 14543.885, "text": "I believe that the fire department's fleet that's over ten years old is twenty eight." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 14545.065, "end": 14552.325, "text": "And that is a combination of engines, aerials and another fleet. But the chief can speak more to that. At two point two million dollars per year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 14554.045, "end": 14556.445, "text": "Twenty eight above that ten year time frame." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14557.165, "end": 14557.585, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14557.965, "end": 14559.605, "text": "That's that's important to know, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14559.965, "end": 14560.365, "text": "thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 14562.585, "end": 14565.665, "text": "And it's even longer than ten years, fifteen years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14566.345, "end": 14566.725, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14567.605, "end": 14568.165, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14573.385, "end": 14577.105, "text": "I have a couple other questions, but I can save those actually. But uh I'll leave it there. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 14578.545, "end": 14580.265, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Johnson. Counselor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14581.085, "end": 14582.225, "text": "Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14582.765, "end": 14586.145, "text": "And yeah, thanks. A lot of really good work, obviously, done providing uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14586.845, "end": 14595.345, "text": "community services. I think some would call it essential. I mean, taxpayers that like fire, of course, emergency management, recreation, social programs, so important." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14596.065, "end": 14598.705, "text": "I'm gonna dial in on the housing office because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14599.505, "end": 14606.705, "text": "in four years it went from nine million to forty-eight and just operating and in capital from 43 million to 223." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14607.405, "end": 14610.485, "text": "million dollars and there's some that would say housing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14611.405, "end": 14614.185, "text": "is maybe not an essential service or something that maybe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14614.625, "end": 14616.305, "text": "uh municipal governments aren't really" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14616.725, "end": 14617.685, "text": "here to provide" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14619.385, "end": 14625.645, "text": "not our wheelhouse it should be more provincial and federal for subsidizing housing so what do you say to the taxpayers that we're gonna spend this much money" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14626.205, "end": 14626.825, "text": "on uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14627.585, "end": 14628.605, "text": "the housing office" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14629.545, "end": 14647.185, "text": "Well, what I would say is that in fact, this is the money that we have spent uh on housing. This is not about what's ahead, this is about what has already been allocated. And it was in direct response to council direction that we had to implement the home is here strategy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14647.725, "end": 14653.185, "text": "yeah I understand completely thanks for that because it was council direction but we do have a new budget cycle with a new council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14653.545, "end": 14658.445, "text": "and we're gonna have to make some tough choices on what we uh allocate for tax increases so thank you so much" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14659.765, "end": 14661.745, "text": "I didn't have my microphone. Would you like me to repeat that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 14663.865, "end": 14664.605, "text": "I think we got it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 14665.825, "end": 14669.145, "text": "Thank you, Counselor McLean. Counselor Penazopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 14669.145, "end": 14725.505, "text": "Thanks so much for the presentation. You addressed most of my questions. There's just a few on uh the fire department and then just one on housing. Um the the budget was 54, the actual spend was 53.7, so 99 plus percent. However, the allocations are very different. Um you know, uh uh $2 million spent on new fire stations, which was 20%, but $26 million spent on emergency units, et cetera. So maybe just sort of speak to uh that last budget cycle, the movement of capital amongst uh priorities. Obviously, when council gave its direction, uh it wanted to spend more on facilities. But obviously, you know, there was a decision to get more fleet. And and and just so we can inform our decisions as we go into the next four year budget cycle, if council's directions is to spend more on fleets, what certainty do we have that it's not going to be spent somewhere else? If you could just look at the historic, the rationale behind it, and then just a brief synapses into what uh we could think about going forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14727.045, "end": 14739.545, "text": "Thank you. Uh through the Vice Chair. Councillor Pantozopoulos. What I would say, and again I'll see if uh any of my colleagues want to add further color to this, but what I would say is that uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14739.785, "end": 14743.665, "text": "we have a plan at the beginning of a four-year cycle and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14744.605, "end": 14793.425, "text": "Things shift. So sometimes land does not become available as quickly as we had hoped it was going to in terms of what we can purchase to get on with building a new station. On the other hand, we heard just a moment ago about an aging fleet, a fleet that has also significantly increased in costs, the inflationary costs. So sometimes the opportunity before us is to strike while the iron is hot, as it were. And where where we know we have need and where we have opportunity to advance, we will advance, rather than saying, hmm, that wasn't exactly the plan that we started out with, and so we're gonna sit and do nothing. Where there's need, we will act." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 14794.965, "end": 14804.225, "text": "You just reconcile that that that need. So something identified in 23, 24, 25 for new trucks. I've just used trucks just because uh I think of that. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 14804.845, "end": 14811.825, "text": "but yet the need was also there for facilities. Yes. Uh and and I would suggest that's a longer lead time, you're buying land. So so maybe just um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 14812.325, "end": 14825.645, "text": "What was the cause of that? That like mid-cycle to say, oh my goodness, we need to completely pivot. Those are to go there considering the four-year. I thought that was what the four-year cycle was to do, is to sort of prep us to say we've thought about that scenario. We need," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 14826.005, "end": 14828.145, "text": "you know, picking a line item. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 14828.645, "end": 14835.025, "text": "any thoughts to that? Like, isn't that the purpose of the four year back in 22 when our colleagues were debating that that four year?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14835.125, "end": 14840.405, "text": "Yes, of course it is. Uh thank you, Councillor Pantozopoulos. Of course you're correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14840.845, "end": 14841.485, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14842.325, "end": 14863.365, "text": "As I mentioned, things can shift in terms of even over the course of the four years. One of the things that we have realized is that there's opportunity for us to work differently and better across the entire organization in terms of how we're passing the ball. Considering that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 14864.205, "end": 14897.985, "text": "A fire station starts with a land use plan. There needs to be property purchased, there need to be all kinds of things that happen before you ever get to build that station and operate out of it. So we've been doing some really exciting work to reflect on the value chain, how we are moving across the different functions within the organization to be most effective and most efficient in the use of time as well as resources to get those stations built." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 14898.065, "end": 14907.785, "text": "Perfect. Thank you so much. And then maybe finally into the housing. Uh the 125 million, can can you sort of speak to the leveraging? Uh those funds go in um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 14907.965, "end": 14915.585, "text": "I I think part of the rationale is we put in a dollar, we get X from federal, provincial. Maybe just speak to that scale. So if as you look back and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 14916.205, "end": 14933.265, "text": "you know uh 26543, do you have any sense of those dollars? So when we say to Calgarians that we made a a one dollar investment in housing, we got X return, direct capital into the economy of Alberta and Calgary as well. Chief Reed Henry, I'd love to. Any numbers would be super helpful." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 14933.645, "end": 14992.005, "text": "Yeah, uh thank you, Councillor Panasopoulos, for the question. So the the general rule of thumb is that the city of Calgary, for the programs that we are supporting, we are supporting 30% of the project value. The exception for that is the Indigenous Housing Program, which we support 40%. So to use round approximate numbers, our investment in housing sees about a three to one return. You mentioned the 125 million, which of course is looking back to the capital budget of 2025. To use a recent example, the provincial government announced their affordable housing partnership program. That was a $330 million approximately province wide award. The City of Calgary received about $134 million. So, you know, to give you an idea, we are always matching our funding with either other orders of government or with uh philanthropic efforts locally here in Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 14992.305, "end": 15011.045, "text": "I think that's an important consideration. It's not like the city of Calgary when you invest that, you know, this year $258 million. We're we're not building a Apex and and hoping to market it. There's a leveraging. So for that $250 million, there was a billion dollars of economic contribution from other orders of government, including our own, into the Calgary. Using your three to one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15011.945, "end": 15012.585, "text": "is that a fair" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 15012.845, "end": 15058.585, "text": "Uh through the chair, that's correct. I think that's that's a fair approximation. Of course, we see value across our programs, and so not all of them receive the the same level of matching. And of course, not only with other orders of government, but we've spoken at length about, say, the downtown program or the secondary suite program. Secondary suite is a great example of where our average input is around $8,000 to create a unit. And the private citizen in this case, who is investing and renovating their basement, they're investing $30,000 or $40,000 of their own dollars to create that $50,000 basement suite. So we are leveraging not only with other orders of government, as you touched on, but with the private citizens, Calgarians, people we help support every day." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15058.725, "end": 15081.605, "text": "Yeah, no, that I appreciate that. Just given that context, that three to one multiple, because you know that's why we brought forward, for example, the downtown revitalization. Hey, that makes sense. There's an opportunity. You get a leveraging, you get a valuation input for buildings around that ultimately gets more my driver's more property tax to the city of Calgary, and if we can rise it up downtown, that'd be great. So no, thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. Vice Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15083.905, "end": 15084.945, "text": "It was my pleasure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15086.405, "end": 15087.445, "text": "Counselor Winesee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15088.465, "end": 15088.925, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15089.285, "end": 15100.125, "text": "Um, can you elaborate a little bit more on our community partners, civic partners, uh, and how heavily we're relying on them to do a lot of the work plus our our our funding of them?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15102.445, "end": 15107.805, "text": "Sure. I'll start generally and then if you have some follow up questions that would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15107.845, "end": 15109.885, "text": "It's just the increase. And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15110.465, "end": 15115.005, "text": "how are we ensuring that when we're investing in civic partners, community partners," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15115.345, "end": 15119.145, "text": "that we're not duplicating our investment for a same deliverable?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15119.685, "end": 15122.285, "text": "Um, because as we continue to see like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15122.645, "end": 15123.965, "text": "the organizations grow," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15124.605, "end": 15125.225, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15125.385, "end": 15128.845, "text": "and the scope creep each is taking on to get access to capital." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15129.165, "end": 15129.705, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15129.885, "end": 15137.705, "text": "that actually we are getting our best return and we're also not burning out our community partners by asking them to take more on to fund them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15137.985, "end": 15138.525, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15138.745, "end": 15193.385, "text": "Thank you. So, what I would say is that our partnerships span a really wide waterfront from very large civic partners that we talk about, like Calgary Economic Development or the Workland Center or the Calgary Public Library through to community associations that we heard from this morning. Well, we didn't hear from them, but we spoke about them. And in between those, there are community groups that are putting on festivals and events. There are nonprofit agencies that are delivering FCSS preventive social service programs. So there's a very wide range of partners that we interact with. And depending on the work that we are doing with them, we will ask different things in terms of the accountability." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15194.245, "end": 15215.845, "text": "Reporting that they provide to us, but you can rest assured that every single formal partnership that we have is a partnership that involves an accountability arrangement so that we are clear on what it is that we are asking of the organization and what we are providing in support of the organization." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15215.845, "end": 15225.605, "text": "But I'm but I'm I'm challenging with that answer. It's very general. I'm gonna use DropInter because I do applaud the decision they made uh to stop day homing people that were not staying at that site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15227.025, "end": 15232.505, "text": "I think that was a great effort by DropIn show the transparency of what they have been downloaded and taken on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15233.025, "end": 15234.525, "text": "Previously we had," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15235.025, "end": 15238.085, "text": "at least last term, talked about creating more day spaces for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15238.305, "end": 15239.505, "text": "our vulnerable population." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15240.025, "end": 15246.065, "text": "Except we weren't really keeping solid track on it because Drop In Center was kind of creating that smoke screen by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15246.765, "end": 15250.025, "text": "taking on a greater burden than they were actually able to carry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15251.665, "end": 15256.665, "text": "And we didn't have reports that were coming back to really showcase the challenges that that organization." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15256.965, "end": 15258.505, "text": "We just said you got to move out of downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15259.045, "end": 15263.085, "text": "But now they've actually made the decision and it's it's been in effect whether, unless you're staying there," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15263.345, "end": 15264.245, "text": "you're not gonna" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15264.525, "end": 15265.485, "text": "get day housed there" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15265.765, "end": 15266.645, "text": "or a day space." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15267.045, "end": 15271.785, "text": "And and so I find that very challenging from where I sit in the governance seat." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15272.245, "end": 15272.985, "text": "Unless" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15273.385, "end": 15273.705, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15274.005, "end": 15281.605, "text": "I'm constantly going out and talking to people, the reports I am getting are not showcasing that the money I am investing to solve these problems at council debates" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15281.845, "end": 15283.165, "text": "is actually solving the problem." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15284.005, "end": 15292.045, "text": "And that is why I'm like, I get this report. We're we're looking into budget as kind of the leapfrog into it. We have the safety well being plan, that's too general." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15292.305, "end": 15293.785, "text": "To everything and everyone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15294.125, "end": 15298.505, "text": "And yet our reporting structure is not actually making sure the money goes to the people delivering." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15298.945, "end": 15302.025, "text": "And so that's my concern with even what's before me is how, as" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15302.405, "end": 15310.085, "text": "council sits here and will make decisions off of someone of what you presented today, we'll actually solve the problems that we have been promised will be solved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15312.265, "end": 15318.325, "text": "Great line of inquiry. What I would say right here and right now is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15319.105, "end": 15325.165, "text": "it's important that we are able to demonstrate the impact that those dollars are having." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15325.805, "end": 15340.105, "text": "If there are places where it's not meeting your expectations, I'd like to meet with you offline, take that away, and talk about what we could do to adjust or sharpen our accountability because you and all Calgary" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15340.665, "end": 15342.605, "text": "is entitled to have that information." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15343.065, "end": 15358.365, "text": "Okay. So okay, that'll be a takeaway. The group behind you doesn't have to come up and answer. We got homework now, we'll be taking it offline. Um my next one is going to be uh in line with what Counselor Pensalopoulos was asking about with the three to one return in housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15359.025, "end": 15359.565, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15360.425, "end": 15369.485, "text": "and some of the programs, I'm really uh this is now we're counselors, as you can see, when you put this before us, start debating the directions council has given and our directive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15370.065, "end": 15370.545, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15370.985, "end": 15373.665, "text": "when you talked about secondary suites and the incentive there," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15373.825, "end": 15383.085, "text": "well, we're we're devoid of the point that uh a landlord setting up their secondary suite can all the investment can be a tax deduction off of the income they will generate off of that secondary suite." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15383.605, "end": 15387.005, "text": "And so the programs we are creating that we are sitting here saying we get a three to one," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15387.345, "end": 15390.245, "text": "no one's asking, should we actually even be incentivizing that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15390.685, "end": 15395.245, "text": "Are we competing with industry? And when the more counselors dig into" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15395.625, "end": 15397.105, "text": "our housing office," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15397.345, "end": 15399.205, "text": "we are becoming the land developer" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15399.705, "end": 15402.525, "text": "and competing with industry rather than the policy" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15404.505, "end": 15410.105, "text": "platform. Our job is to create policy land use. We had that one earlier, and the pressures that department's on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15410.445, "end": 15412.125, "text": "And so we are muddying, muddying the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15412.445, "end": 15414.565, "text": "governance structure of our deliverables and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15415.045, "end": 15416.765, "text": "the feds aren't helping us get any clearer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15417.265, "end": 15417.645, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15418.265, "end": 15420.565, "text": "I'm really just debating the counterpoint on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15421.665, "end": 15425.145, "text": "the answers I wasn't really satisfied on a three to one return, sorry, John." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15426.385, "end": 15426.805, "text": "Because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15427.125, "end": 15431.245, "text": "council really needs to evaluate should the taxes that Calgarians are paying" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15431.645, "end": 15433.085, "text": "be go to incentivize" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15433.385, "end": 15437.225, "text": "certain individuals who win the ability to qualify for that program" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15437.625, "end": 15439.885, "text": "get that back while other people who" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15440.205, "end": 15443.945, "text": "I've had constituents ask me why didn't I get approval for it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15444.285, "end": 15445.985, "text": "They were this they met the same test," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15447.285, "end": 15448.785, "text": "but they but with the city said no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15449.105, "end": 15451.185, "text": "So we we're creating again unfair" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15451.405, "end": 15453.805, "text": "conditions to address housing concerns" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15454.205, "end": 15456.645, "text": "uh as well as the changing market conditions. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15456.925, "end": 15458.425, "text": "that's my debate on you guys." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15458.845, "end": 15459.225, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15459.245, "end": 15462.005, "text": "Do you have a question there for them? We are in questions right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15462.005, "end": 15464.445, "text": "Oh I know I'm just getting it done once because I don't want RTS." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15464.745, "end": 15465.685, "text": "Uh because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15466.245, "end": 15466.885, "text": "I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15467.265, "end": 15472.345, "text": "council is gonna take this document and budget, and we're probably gonna rehash a lot of these conversations with directives." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15472.925, "end": 15473.305, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15473.585, "end": 15473.965, "text": "and I'd" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15474.665, "end": 15480.325, "text": "I'd hope that we have a better presentation of the gray area of which that housing department is operating" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15480.665, "end": 15481.965, "text": "and the growth pressures" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15482.365, "end": 15485.125, "text": "or funding council is put into it and the return" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15485.385, "end": 15486.945, "text": "taxpayers are actually getting out of that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15490.005, "end": 15501.605, "text": "All right. Thank you, Councillor Winese. Not seeing anyone else in the queue, then maybe I'll ask a question here. Just um uh taking a look at whether it's actually, do you want to jump in? Yeah, okay. Counselor Jameson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15503.785, "end": 15505.425, "text": "Okay, just got a question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15507.725, "end": 15509.705, "text": "It's to do with the housing accelerator fund." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15510.065, "end": 15516.665, "text": "Right? So we had 251 million federal agreement, and I believe there's 64.7" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15517.025, "end": 15519.465, "text": "million still pending" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15519.925, "end": 15532.765, "text": "as per the chief housing office section. So my question is once it's fully distributed, will admin be proposing a replacement for the funding for the programs currently funded?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15533.545, "end": 15535.685, "text": "Through that agreement, or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15536.325, "end": 15537.565, "text": "do we sunset" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15538.585, "end": 15539.505, "text": "what uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15540.525, "end": 15543.305, "text": "what direction we're going when that money stops?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 15544.405, "end": 15580.545, "text": "If I can offer an answer on the go forward, you know, I think those are future conversations. But as it relates to the report in front, I I take the question. The housing accelerator fund are defined programs with defined envelopes. And so at this time, we are executing the approved initiatives as directed by council and the budget funding that has been approved and authorized by council, which is just uh the $251 approximately million dollars and the programs that lie thereunder." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15581.185, "end": 15586.505, "text": "Are we gonna come into a situation where you're gonna need more money to actually" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15587.125, "end": 15602.245, "text": "complete what was started based on that 251 due to inflation, other stuff? Because you know that how that how construction costs escalate the longer you wait on things. Um, how does that actually look? And are you gonna be asking for more money?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 15602.845, "end": 15626.305, "text": "Uh uh through the vice chair, uh no. Um all of our agreements uh are through financing and funding agreements that have a defined budget envelope. So anything related to cost escalations and things you're touching on would not impact this budget, and those would be on uh whoever we are working with uh to develop and deliver that housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15626.625, "end": 15630.105, "text": "Okay, yeah, and and the first question, so it um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15631.125, "end": 15638.185, "text": "it doesn't uh so it does end, so it does sunset what we put in place, it doesn't keep going or be extended in any way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15638.685, "end": 15641.985, "text": "That is correct. Okay. Thank you. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15643.145, "end": 15644.145, "text": "and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15645.365, "end": 15649.785, "text": "uh the next one is due to re recreation facilities. Uh just one question here. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15650.285, "end": 15660.785, "text": "so 60 per two percent of cost recruit uh the cost is recovered through user fees uh as per the recreation social program section." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15661.585, "end": 15674.465, "text": "Um have you as men have you guys evaluated whether the ratio should increase or or you know to reduce the taxpayer subsidy for these facilities operation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15675.765, "end": 15683.605, "text": "There's a review going on right now. I don't know if there's anything further that Director Fleming would want to add." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 15683.905, "end": 15686.205, "text": "Thanks for the question. Um yes, so we are in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15686.205, "end": 15687.525, "text": "I know we've spoken, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 15687.525, "end": 15699.405, "text": "process of doing that review about our fees and structure right now. Um there are a few places that we recognize we might be under, uh but we want to see what the marketplace is looking like and bring it back to council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15701.185, "end": 15703.605, "text": "when will we get that kind of information though?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 15703.605, "end": 15705.625, "text": "Uh I think it's supposed to be in twenty twenty seven." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15706.425, "end": 15707.525, "text": "Okay, so next year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15708.325, "end": 15708.585, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15709.285, "end": 15709.985, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15713.805, "end": 15725.085, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Jameson. Uh I will ask one question here. Clerks, could you just flip back to the FTE slide for a second? So whether I'm taking a look at the capital budget, the operating budget, or the FTEs, like we're pretty" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15725.945, "end": 15732.545, "text": "uh like we're increasing, right? Uh in in mo in most of these categories, with the exception of partnerships." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15733.325, "end": 15757.345, "text": "Uh it's stayed, no matter which one of these metrics we're looking at, it stayed pretty flat over the past three years. Uh I'm wondering if you could just speak to uh A, why that is, and then B, what we might be able to learn from that that either could help us stay flat in other departments, or if it's telling us something about partnerships and that uh it's an outlier and and shouldn't be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15759.325, "end": 15760.625, "text": "Thank you for the question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15761.485, "end": 15777.805, "text": "I think it speaks to the nature of the relationship. It's somewhat related to Councillor Jameson's question a moment ago to Chief Housing Officer Hendry about when a contract is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15778.245, "end": 15779.365, "text": "agreed to," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15779.965, "end": 15784.325, "text": "it has a finite definition. And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15784.805, "end": 15801.085, "text": "the partner works within that contract just as we are working within the Housing Accelerator Fund contract that was put in place. So with our partners, because we work on a contract basis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15801.905, "end": 15803.225, "text": "There hasn't been" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15804.185, "end": 15847.785, "text": "as much opportunity for adjustment as we have seen in some of our other directly delivered programs. Of course, there have been adjustments made for the partners, and some of what has happened just this season is the Civic Partners Operating Grant process whereby all of the civic partners had an opportunity to present to a review panel of administration about what they really needed to deliver on their mandates. So we'll be seeing that operating grant recommendation as part of what comes forward in the budget discussions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15848.545, "end": 15871.045, "text": "And so I think we can we can what I'm hearing you say there is like when I look at the overall operating budget, like I see the increases on all the lines because you're you're asking for them and council, previous councils have approved them. Um are we seeing a similar increase in requests from partners or is it staying pretty flat per our funding?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15873.665, "end": 15903.205, "text": "I can't comment on the request process. What I can comment on is what we contract with partners to do and what we engage our own administration to do. When there's something that we need to be done differently, we approach whoever might do it. So if that's administration, we go to administration and say we want to see an increase in transit safety." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15903.905, "end": 15933.325, "text": "What would it cost? We have a pilot going on right now that was asked about a few minutes ago. What could we experiment with? We have similarly used one-time grants or other adjustments when we have been working, for instance, with civic partners downtown who have safety pressures to say what do you need in order to attend to the safety pressures that you're experiencing? So it's an iterative process in terms of what are," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 15934.465, "end": 15943.525, "text": "I say we, what are you concerned about as council, who is best to address that concern, and then we would adjust budgets accordingly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15943.725, "end": 15966.425, "text": "No, that's great. I might love to see sort of something unfettered there, like we've had an opportunity for our budget in 2027. That's not really before us here today. So I'll just thank you for uh thank you for the presentation today. I'm not seeing anyone else in the queue. Um and if that's the case, uh then we will move on. Do we have someone who'd like to move the recommendation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15968.365, "end": 15974.185, "text": "Anybody? Councilor Panasopoulos got his hand up first. Any debate on this one?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15976.725, "end": 15979.105, "text": "Aside from Councillor Wynass, who already got her debate in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 15982.225, "end": 15988.885, "text": "All right, not seeing any further debate then. Madam Clerk, could you please uh let us e vote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16004.125, "end": 16007.305, "text": "With Mayor Farkas being absent, Vice Chair Kelly, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 16007.825, "end": 16008.825, "text": "Well, let's see the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 16011.225, "end": 16022.105, "text": "And that passes 11 0. Thank you very much. Let's move on to 7 10 Council Policy Program Update. Count uh administration, I imagine you have a presentation for us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16022.705, "end": 16026.085, "text": "Thank you. I have a verbal presentation for you this morning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16026.525, "end": 16040.865, "text": "My name is Colleen McNaughton. I'm the leader of governance and policy within Service Excellence for the People, Innovation, and Collaboration Services Department. And I come before you to recommend, uh request rather, rescindment of seven council policies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16041.425, "end": 16052.425, "text": "These policies have or will be superseded by other city governance documents, including bylaws, city plans, administration policies, and business unit procedures." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16052.925, "end": 16064.865, "text": "Policy rescindment is a routine activity that's part of the council policy program, and these policies have been identified for rescindment following scheduled review by the business units responsible for each of them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16065.745, "end": 16075.365, "text": "And unfortunately, we inadvertently omitted Director Newton from the departmental circulation list, and so we're asking city clerks to make that correction for us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16076.685, "end": 16081.745, "text": "Rescinding these obsolete policies will reduce overlap between city governance documents." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16082.365, "end": 16087.825, "text": "Clear, authoritative, current direction supports a more efficient administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16089.045, "end": 16096.225, "text": "Through this report, we're also informing council that two policies have been rescinded due to changes to the Municipal Government Act last year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16096.945, "end": 16105.165, "text": "And these policies are the code of conduct for public members appointed to council established boards, commissions, and committees," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16106.385, "end": 16113.705, "text": "and the public member appointees to BCCs, COVID 19 vaccination, which was previously suspended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16115.145, "end": 16118.305, "text": "The policies being recommended for rescindment are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16118.805, "end": 16121.965, "text": "corporate fuel management, cultural landscape," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16122.505, "end": 16124.965, "text": "oil, gas, and aggregate extraction," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16125.685, "end": 16126.685, "text": "plain language," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16127.205, "end": 16129.965, "text": "posting council award budgets and expenses," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16130.665, "end": 16136.225, "text": "professional services over $250,000 circulation to council members," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16136.805, "end": 16143.245, "text": "and the reporting policy for council members attending FCM and AUMA annual conferences." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16144.145, "end": 16155.525, "text": "We invite council to pass this motion so that we can remove superseded and obsolete policies from our policy library and direct Calgarians and city employees to current guidance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16156.405, "end": 16156.805, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 16159.845, "end": 16162.885, "text": "Thank you very much. Any members of council with any questions?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 16164.865, "end": 16165.865, "text": "Counselor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16168.105, "end": 16168.725, "text": "Good afternoon." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16170.745, "end": 16175.865, "text": "So I I got a question. So we're we're this is kind of housekeeping, I understand this, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16175.925, "end": 16176.345, "text": "Great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16177.105, "end": 16184.585, "text": "So you're you want to delete uh a number of these, I guess, old policies," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16184.965, "end": 16188.345, "text": "but what you're not putting is what you're gonna replace it with." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16188.965, "end": 16198.045, "text": "Right, so attachment one for the report will describe that what's already replaced in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16198.445, "end": 16208.345, "text": "So the fuel management policy, there is an administration policy that governs how we're managing fuel within the city, and so that's more current governance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16208.865, "end": 16215.485, "text": "Cultural landscape policy been superseded by the Connect Parks Plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16216.065, "end": 16225.565, "text": "The oil, gas, and aggregate extraction policy. There have been updates to the municipal development plan since it was passed. So it's now covered there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16226.585, "end": 16237.545, "text": "Plain language ELT has approved an administration policy and what would come into effect should Council choose to rescind the council policy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16238.405, "end": 16255.725, "text": "And then we have a bylaw that covers the ward budget and expenses. We've got changes to legislation and administration policy that cover the professional services and internal procedures that cover off the conference reporting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16257.385, "end": 16261.205, "text": "What can you uh tell us what the legislation changes?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16261.585, "end": 16265.465, "text": "So is your thinking particularly about the professional services?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16265.565, "end": 16265.905, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16266.165, "end": 16268.965, "text": "I'm going to defer to my colleague from Supply." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 16276.305, "end": 16277.845, "text": "Thank you for the question. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 16278.105, "end": 16284.945, "text": "the existing policy really, although it says that it started in 2009, the practice goes back in 1972." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 16285.405, "end": 16314.925, "text": "When everything was on paper, all manual, ever since the life moved on, with all the technology and digitization of it, which really created this policy being very uh obsolete, rather, this really doesn't change anything as a result or anything, just adds another administrative step while we're doing the uh procurement on it. The changes really came in with all the controls that were put in place with different trade agreements, as well as public procurement laws and internal policy and delegation of authority." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 16315.605, "end": 16324.845, "text": "Those are the things were not in the existing in the past or some of them were not in the existing. The moment those controls are in place, this this step becomes redundant in our procurement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16326.185, "end": 16328.965, "text": "Okay, on that particular um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16329.625, "end": 16336.505, "text": "comment with the professional services policy. So here's my concern that we're gonna be removing that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16337.025, "end": 16339.425, "text": "Um, so my question is is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16340.185, "end": 16347.985, "text": "so contracts, so how it's been is contracts over 250,000 were circulated to council beforehand," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16348.585, "end": 16355.925, "text": "but with this, with us rescinding or removing this one, um, does it remove then our oversight going forward?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 16356.325, "end": 16383.785, "text": "So just to be clear, we did not circulate the contracts. We only sent the notification for information that this is getting awarded to the supplier. In theory, actually, we shouldn't be doing the notification before the award is complete. But in this case, post notification is when we are doing the final contract after that. With all the, as I said, in the technology, right now, when we do the award, all the award information is available, not just to the council, but the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 16384.285, "end": 16391.725, "text": "open public on APC's site. So that's where we actually update everything that who the winner is and what the cost is and everything else around it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16392.045, "end": 16396.565, "text": "So okay, okay, that makes sense. So council oversight is not changed in any way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 16396.745, "end": 16412.825, "text": "It's available for everybody, just not only for council the way it is today. And the step really is we're not waiting for the final contract to happen. Here we're saying that whoever is the winner of that particular procurement gets posted. It it is current practice. It does get posted on APC's site today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 16413.785, "end": 16414.125, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 16418.505, "end": 16420.125, "text": "Counselor Jameson, Counselor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 16421.385, "end": 16423.645, "text": "With the plain language" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 16424.025, "end": 16439.145, "text": "policy switch and it coming over to administration, is there any changes? Are we are we getting better on that plain language front and trying to how we communicate with the public? Is there or is it basically just a straight swap across?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16439.845, "end": 16465.765, "text": "There's a few changes. One is the original policy, the council policy had an audit component that was never funded and it's not sustainable. So in the admin policy, that has been removed. There is no audit requirement. However, if our chief auditor, uh our city auditor wanted to do an audit or feels that it's worthwhile to do an audit, of course, it could be audited via that mechanism. So we have a few um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16466.325, "end": 16535.785, "text": "Resources that we provide to the organization, a lot of them have been new over the past two years. So we have a lot of checklists that report writers can go and access via My City to make sure they're adhering to plain language. We now have some options via co-pilot or even a Microsoft Word to do a glance at accessibility in plain language, and we're actually working on some other AI tools that we can use to review documentation, whether that's reports or communications plans and that kind of thing for plain language. Our website is already adhering to plain language. We adhere to a grade eight reading level and less in times of crisis than we adhere to a grade six reading level. And they have programs that they can run amongst the website to make sure that we're adhering to that plain language. So there's been a lot more tools available to us over the past sort of five to six years. So I say we have made significant gains there. However, there's always room to improve. So we try to make sure in our technical writing that we're using very plain language, no acronyms. However, sometimes if there's legal considerations or even technical considerations, we have to use that technical or legal jargon, so to speak, because it would be misconstrued or misunderstood if we used more plain language in those instances. Does that help answer your question?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 16535.785, "end": 16564.605, "text": "Yeah, that's that's great. The the other thing I I just the way you're talking about it, these tools and whatnot, communications is spread across multiple business units. So just how we're sort of ensuring, you know, with the different areas in which we have communications, we don't just have a communications department that everything goes through. It's kind of coming out from different areas. So how do we just sort of make sure that that is going right across the organization and having that plain language approach throughout?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16565.405, "end": 16631.505, "text": "Well, maybe two pronged in that. With regards to the plain language policy itself, we're stewards of that in marketing communications, but it's really a collective responsibility across the organization. So, for example, report writers aren't necessarily in our communications team. They're really subject matter experts working in the operational business units across the organization. It's their responsibility to know the plain language requirements and adhere to them when they're preparing reports. So even though we're putting the tools out, the resourcing out, we're always trying to keep up to date on what we're doing. We offer plain language symposiums every year. It's really up to the collective responsibility and individual preparing any documentation, whether that's report or communication pieces, to adhere to plain language as a collective responsibility. So that's one piece at adherence to the policy. The second piece is our communications teams, which are embedded across the organization, are in a one business unit because they all report into marketing and communications, even though they're embedded with our client teams, in order to understand their operational work, understand what the business objectives are, and so they can be in lockstep with those operating teams and fulfilling their goals and service delivery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 16632.365, "end": 16632.845, "text": "Great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 16633.345, "end": 16634.325, "text": "Good learning, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 16637.805, "end": 16641.285, "text": "All right, Counselor Atkinson, thank you very much. Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 16642.025, "end": 16645.925, "text": "Um not seeing anyone else in the queue here. I'll I'll ask the question here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 16646.285, "end": 16646.765, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 16647.585, "end": 16649.845, "text": "oh, we do have one more. Counselor Johnson, go for it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16650.325, "end": 16652.085, "text": "If you want to go, that's fine. I can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 16652.125, "end": 16653.245, "text": "I'll go after you, it's no big deal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16653.585, "end": 16661.165, "text": "Yes. Um just back to the professional services over 250,000. I mean, we receive emails for notifications on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16661.585, "end": 16662.125, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16663.245, "end": 16664.065, "text": "is there any way" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16666.065, "end": 16666.725, "text": "like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16667.005, "end": 16674.425, "text": "I'm I'm just curious why that is an issue, just to send out an email with notifications. I think it's important as council members to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16674.985, "end": 16685.205, "text": "not get special treatment, but at least get this directly to us without us having to try to navigate through the um procurement um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16685.725, "end": 16696.445, "text": "I'll be honest, it's very hard to find procurement stuff on the website, and I've been doing it for a long time. Um sometimes APC posts it, sometimes Ariba posts it. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16696.725, "end": 16706.625, "text": "but to find it plainly is not easy for the average person. So I'm just wondering, is there any way to retain council's ability just to get a simple notification that we do right now?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 16708.145, "end": 16788.505, "text": "It just additional step that really doesn't add anything to it is the assumption that we have, is what we heard really from the past councils and everywhere too. The notification, the information is available digitally on APC and everywhere else. That's the intent of having it out there. Everybody has access to it. And doing it pre-award really does add additional cycle time when we are saying to get it done faster. This is another opportunity for us to avoid one more step in between to get it done faster. Plus, the notification itself is only limited to professional services between this 250,000 plus. It's not really giving any additional the projects that this is for that you already have approved. And as procurement runs, it runs completely independently without any other other interfaces of other elements other than this one notification. That's how procurement runs. As I said earlier, it's the old practice when the lack of controls and other trade agreements and some of the procurement laws didn't exist. It probably didn't make sense that day. But today, other than the notifying, and if you find that's useful, it's the first time I heard that to be honest, but uh there is a lot of notifications that go out. This is one thing that we could have reduced, is the intent of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16789.285, "end": 16799.065, "text": "I mean we got one today at 10 o'clock and I read it immediately. I mean, anytime the city spends over $250,000, I feel it's council's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16799.565, "end": 16801.765, "text": "responsibility to at least be aware of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16801.965, "end": 16815.585, "text": "Um, I mean this current award was $625,000. I understand it's already been approved, but it gives me the opportunity to ask questions about it or to further investigate. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16816.765, "end": 16824.765, "text": "I I just would say without the replacement of having a easier way to find it with the public, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16826.545, "end": 16831.585, "text": "it's like I said, the the Calgary.ca website's not perfect. And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16831.845, "end": 16840.785, "text": "For me as a council member, I just it I I would okay, if I request it, you guys can send it every time uh procurement goes through over $250,000. Like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16841.085, "end": 16843.785, "text": "I don't want you make special treatments just for me, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16844.065, "end": 16846.525, "text": "this stuff is important to me to see it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16846.885, "end": 16847.965, "text": "Um so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16848.725, "end": 16851.445, "text": "I guess if council's will is to eliminate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16852.065, "end": 16855.345, "text": "understanding or knowing when large projects are being" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16856.065, "end": 16861.365, "text": "um approved, um that's up to them. But I'm gonna wanna still see 'em as they come in. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16861.685, "end": 16865.525, "text": "I'll just make special inquiries for them for myself. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 16866.905, "end": 16889.945, "text": "Thanks, Councillor Johnson. I got a pickup right where you left off there. So maybe don't go go away. It wasn't immediately clear to me when reading this particular one if the legislative meant that the emails to us will stop. It's one thing for it to be posted on a website, but obviously it's a it's another to actually get a notification. So I just wanted to check will we will we or can we still get those notifications?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 16890.345, "end": 16908.625, "text": "We can if we need to, and if we want to get even more uh rather efficient about it, we could build some kind of a dashboard where it's self served menu for the council where they could see what pro procurements have been awarded for professional services instead of every single time shooting out an email and hoping everybody's seeing it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 16909.605, "end": 16913.645, "text": "Yeah, that'd be great. Do you need any council direction in order to be able to do something like that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 16913.685, "end": 16915.425, "text": "I don't. I could build it today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 16915.945, "end": 16957.285, "text": "That'd be great. That'd be very, very helpful. Thank you. I want to ask a sort of similar question on the plain language, if you don't, if you don't mind. Appreciate Councillor Atkinson's questions here, but I I one of the things that I appreciate about the existing policy is that it highlights it to a council level that like plain language is a priority of council as a whole. I'm just wondering if uh in in terms of here as it moves over to the administrative, it kind of takes the uh that that level away from us. I'm wondering if you can maybe just speak to that a little bit and uh give us a bit of insight in terms of uh that lack of control from our perspective." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16959.785, "end": 16965.485, "text": "Well, I'm not sure if it's a lack of control versus operational" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16966.125, "end": 16982.385, "text": "sustainment. And that's really about transferring it from that council policy to the admin policy. It's really about operational sustainment and probably where it needs to be to operationalize it within the organization for things that we're already doing and held accountable for and responsible for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16982.725, "end": 17017.205, "text": "However, if it's plain language as it means for council versus administration, maybe that is a different policy that's for council. I'm not quite sure. I'd look to my policy experts to better describe maybe if there is an oversight or a different policy that has to be in play for that. But I think it's inherent in the governance of admin operationalization, is that council is the governor. So I don't think it's really about a lack of oversight or control. We're still going to be held account to it, whether it's council or admin policy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17017.785, "end": 17018.825, "text": "Okay, no that answers my question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 17018.825, "end": 17020.545, "text": "I view but there might be a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17021.085, "end": 17028.505, "text": "No, I think that answers my question, actually. No, I appreciate that very much. Okay, thank you. Uh any other questions from anyone, any of my colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17029.885, "end": 17033.485, "text": "All right. Not seeing any then. Do we have a mover for the recommendation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17036.325, "end": 17037.205, "text": "Councilor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17038.065, "end": 17040.625, "text": "Uh any debate on this item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17042.665, "end": 17044.625, "text": "Not seeing any, uh let's head to the e vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 17063.685, "end": 17065.105, "text": "Councilor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 17069.265, "end": 17070.665, "text": "Councilor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 17071.225, "end": 17071.765, "text": "Absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 17073.405, "end": 17077.465, "text": "With Mayor Farkas being absent, Vice Chair Kelly, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17077.885, "end": 17078.885, "text": "Let's see the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17082.425, "end": 17084.785, "text": "And that's carried uh 10 to nothing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17085.485, "end": 17089.505, "text": "Moving on. 711 tribunal fee review." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17090.045, "end": 17094.445, "text": "And this is our last item 7-Eleven. We can all go get Slurpees after this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17097.325, "end": 17098.465, "text": "Mr. Fraser, over to you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 17098.805, "end": 17111.485, "text": "Thank you. Good afternoon. My name is Jeremy Fraser. I'm the Deputy City Clerk for Council and Governance Services. I'm here today to present some recommendations for changes to some fees associated with the city's tribunals. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 17112.445, "end": 17132.925, "text": "Council last considered changes to tribunal fees in 2019. Assessment review board fees in particular were changed effective 2021 January 1st to allow for updated complaint fee amounts to be included in assessment notices as required by the Municipal Government Act. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 17133.985, "end": 17157.645, "text": "The recommendation before you is that Executive Committee recommend the council give three readings to the proposed bylaw in attachment two to amend the Calgary Assessment Review Board bylaw 15M 2018 and the License and Community Standards Appeal Board bylaw 50M 2011. The fee changes recommended in this report would be effective January 1st, 2027. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 17161.185, "end": 17202.645, "text": "I think next slide. There we go. Perfect. Thank you. Operations of the Assessment Review Board and the Licensed Community Standards Appeal Board are funded by tax revenue, but a small portion of costs are offset by some tribunal fees. Tribunal fees are periodically reviewed to ensure there's an intentional and thoughtful approach to balancing affordable access to complaint and appeal processes with the amount of tax support that is required to fund tribunal operations. While the total annual cost of the administration and operations of tribunals can vary significantly due to operational factors such as complaint and appeal volume and complexity, the underlying costs for inputs and resources required to deliver tribunal services increase over time due to inflation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 17203.585, "end": 17249.565, "text": "Fee adjustments are recommended to increase uh to reflect increases to these input costs driven by inflation. However, it is worth highlighting that provincial legislation sets out the framework for certain tribunal fees, including specified fees, for example, appeals under the Weed Control Act and the Agricultural Pest Act. And maximum fees in some cases are capped by provincial regulation, for example, assessment review board complaint fees, which are capped by the matters relating to assessment complaints regulations. Between the last time Council evaluated tribunal fees in 2019 and the proposed effective date for the recommended fee increases at the beginning of 2027, the cumulative impact of inflation is forecast to be 25.7% as set out in attachment three. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 17250.805, "end": 17297.925, "text": "The fee changes proposed in this report are highlighted on this slide. Two fees are recommended for removal due to lack of use and because easier and low-cost means of providing service to the public have been found. The appeal filing fee for the License of Community Standards Appeal Board is recommended to be increased from $100 to $125 as the input costs to support tribunal operations have increased due to inflation. The current $100 appeal filing fee was originally established in 2007 for some kinds of appeals. Finally, fees for copies of assessment review board hearing records and recordings of assessment review board and licensing community standards appeal board hearings are recommended to increase from $50 to $60 as the input costs to support these services have increased due to inflation. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 17298.985, "end": 17304.905, "text": "And with that, the recommendations for committee's consideration are back on the screen, and I'm happy to entertain any questions the committee may have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17307.225, "end": 17309.345, "text": "And committee, would anyone like to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17309.625, "end": 17310.885, "text": "entertain him with questions?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17314.265, "end": 17315.525, "text": "Not seeing any." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17316.505, "end": 17316.845, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17317.525, "end": 17320.885, "text": "Uh if that's the case, then do we have a mover for the recommendation before us?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17324.565, "end": 17327.425, "text": "Councillor McLean. Thank you for entertaining that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17331.045, "end": 17335.165, "text": "Uh would you like to offer a formal a formal uh open for this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 17335.205, "end": 17337.725, "text": "No, I'm still bitter over last time, so I'm just gonna say" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17337.725, "end": 17340.885, "text": "I can let you have your last one now. Okay, fine." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17341.745, "end": 17344.705, "text": "Moved. Anybody, any debate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17347.765, "end": 17350.945, "text": "Not seeing any. Would you like to offer an allocation quote close?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 17351.725, "end": 17352.665, "text": "closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17352.925, "end": 17354.425, "text": "Beautiful. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17355.225, "end": 17356.765, "text": "Let's engage the vote then." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 17369.845, "end": 17372.865, "text": "With Mayor Farkas absent, Vice Chair Kelly, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17373.345, "end": 17374.165, "text": "Let's see how we did." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17376.945, "end": 17379.605, "text": "And that passes 9 0. Thank you very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17380.045, "end": 17386.525, "text": "And with apologies to Councilman Clay, you're right. I should have given you an open and a close earlier. I I apologize for that. I was moving along with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17386.925, "end": 17389.425, "text": "expediency. I got excited that we were moving." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17389.985, "end": 17406.105, "text": "And on that topic, moving along here, we have no urgent business, no confidential items. There was one briefing provided, 10.1 Pension Governance Committee Annual Update. And with that, I don't think we have anything else on the agenda. Is that correct, Madam Clerk?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 17406.105, "end": 17406.905, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17407.125, "end": 17408.505, "text": "We have a motion to adjourn." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17408.705, "end": 17409.945, "text": "Oh." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17410.765, "end": 17414.685, "text": "Councillor Chabot got it. Motion to adjourn. All in favor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17416.065, "end": 17416.905, "text": "So carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 17417.445, "end": 17423.245, "text": "Have a great rest of your day, and we'll see you back tomorrow for the continuation of a crazy long committee week." } ], "num_speakers": 37 }