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Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1295.425, "end": 1296.405, "text": "Counselor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1298.765, "end": 1299.125, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1299.445, "end": 1300.245, "text": "Counselor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1300.365, "end": 1300.725, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1300.885, "end": 1301.945, "text": "Counselor Dollywall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1304.365, "end": 1305.785, "text": "Counselor Dolly Wall, are you remote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1306.845, "end": 1307.245, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1307.645, "end": 1308.145, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1308.365, "end": 1309.265, "text": "Counselor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1309.425, "end": 1309.645, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1309.865, "end": 1310.885, "text": "Counselor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1312.085, "end": 1312.245, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1312.825, "end": 1313.725, "text": "Counselor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1314.425, "end": 1315.405, "text": "Counselor McLean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1317.085, "end": 1318.525, "text": "Councillor Pantozopoulos," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1318.925, "end": 1319.765, "text": "Counselor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1320.445, "end": 1321.605, "text": "Counselor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1322.485, "end": 1323.365, "text": "Counselor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1323.865, "end": 1324.945, "text": "Counselor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1325.325, "end": 1326.245, "text": "Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1326.445, "end": 1326.725, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1326.725, "end": 1327.885, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1328.285, "end": 1328.825, "text": "I am here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1328.965, "end": 1329.405, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1330.905, "end": 1334.285, "text": "Oki, Umbawastish, Danitada, Tanshe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1334.645, "end": 1343.265, "text": "Indigenous peoples have their own names for this area that have been in use long before settlers named this place Calgary. In the Blackfoot language, it is called Monkinstis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1343.525, "end": 1348.105, "text": "The Ethia Nakota Wakstabi First Nations refer to this place as Wachispa Oyede." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1348.305, "end": 1351.125, "text": "And the people of the Sutuna Nation call it Gustus." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1351.505, "end": 1354.305, "text": "The Metis call the Calgary area Otasquini." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1354.765, "end": 1371.605, "text": "We appreciate and acknowledge they were gathered on the ancestral and traditional territory of the Blackfoot Nations of the Sikhia, Pikani, and Kainai First Nations, the Ethiconakota Wakustabi First Nations, comprised of the Chinniki, Bearspaw, and Goodstoney First Nations, and the Sotena First Nation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1371.865, "end": 1391.085, "text": "The city of Calgary is also homeland to the historic Northwest Metis and to the Atukinswak Metis government, Metis Nation, Battle River Territory, Nose Hill, Metis District 5, and Elbo, Metis District 6. We acknowledge and give gratitude to the many First Nations, Metis and Inuit, who live here and call Calgary home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1391.785, "end": 1396.825, "text": "Before we get to our agenda, colleagues, we have a few uh opening remarks and recognitions to to make." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1400.085, "end": 1403.305, "text": "Uh firstly, uh last week on Thursday, April 9th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1404.205, "end": 1407.385, "text": "Uh please make sure to mute if uh you're on the line, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1408.985, "end": 1409.645, "text": "Everyone muted?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1410.165, "end": 1410.705, "text": "Perfect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1412.005, "end": 1430.165, "text": "Last week, on Thursday, April 9th, we commemorated the National Day of Remembrance of the Battle of Vimy Ridge by lowering the flags to half-mast at City Hall. This battle took place over a century ago during the First World War and stands as a testament to the bravery, resilience, and sacrifice of Canadian soldiers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1430.625, "end": 1439.645, "text": "On April 9, 1917, amidst the mud and chaos of the Western Front in France, Canadian troops achieved what many thought was impossible." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1440.125, "end": 1446.405, "text": "They launched a meticulously planned assault on Vimy Ridge, a heavily fortified German position." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1446.625, "end": 1454.605, "text": "Through careful planning and determination, Canadian forces stormed the ridge and emerged victorious after four days of intense fighting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1454.945, "end": 1503.585, "text": "What makes the Battle of Vimy Ridge so remarkable is not just the victory, but how it was achieved. For the first time in the war, all four divisions of the Canadian Corps fought together as one cohesive unit. The Canadian contribution to the Battle of Vimy Ridge cannot be overstated. More than 10,000 Canadians were killed or wounded. Their courage helped pave the way for future victories and earned Canada a newfound respect on the world stage. So on April 9th, we paused to remember the sacrifices of those who fought and died at Vimy Ridge. To honor their memory, we must continue to strive for peace, unity, and understanding in our communities and beyond. Not only on April 9th, but every day. Colleagues and members of the public, I hope you'll join me just in a moment of uh remembrance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1523.625, "end": 1525.025, "text": "And today we also" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1525.465, "end": 1527.925, "text": "Remember a tragedy that deeply affected Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1528.605, "end": 1535.105, "text": "On April 15th, 2014, five young people lost their lives at a gathering in the Northwest community of Brentwood." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1536.245, "end": 1538.545, "text": "They were celebrating the end of the university year," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1538.945, "end": 1541.585, "text": "a moment that should have marked a new beginning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1542.385, "end": 1549.525, "text": "Instead, it became a moment of profound loss for their families, friends, and for Calgarians across the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1550.705, "end": 1551.425, "text": "We remember," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1552.665, "end": 1554.205, "text": "we remember Caitlin Parris," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1556.065, "end": 1556.925, "text": "Lawrence Hong," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1558.845, "end": 1559.845, "text": "Joshua Hunter." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1561.585, "end": 1562.565, "text": "Jordan Segura" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1564.385, "end": 1565.765, "text": "and Zachariah Rathwell." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1567.605, "end": 1568.705, "text": "They were students," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1569.365, "end": 1570.305, "text": "musicians," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1570.905, "end": 1571.605, "text": "artists," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1572.645, "end": 1573.305, "text": "friends," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1574.045, "end": 1575.105, "text": "and family members." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1577.505, "end": 1579.165, "text": "They were deeply loved and they mattered." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1581.185, "end": 1584.725, "text": "Their absence continues to be felt by those who knew them" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1584.905, "end": 1586.505, "text": "and by our wider community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1588.045, "end": 1593.845, "text": "Since then, the city of Calgary has worked to ensure these five young people are remembered with dignity and respect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1595.485, "end": 1600.225, "text": "One lasting act of remembrance is the Quintera Legacy Garden in South Glenmore Park." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1600.725, "end": 1604.285, "text": "A public space created to honor their lives and legacies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1605.505, "end": 1609.205, "text": "The garden offers a place for reflection, creativity, and connection," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1609.705, "end": 1613.845, "text": "and ensures their names remain part of Calgary's shared memory." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1614.685, "end": 1618.245, "text": "The city will continue to support conversations around community well being" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1618.585, "end": 1620.145, "text": "and mental health awareness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1620.785, "end": 1622.685, "text": "recognizing the importance of care," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1623.225, "end": 1624.105, "text": "early support," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1624.885, "end": 1625.665, "text": "and compassion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1626.865, "end": 1631.225, "text": "We'd also like to acknowledge and welcome Marlene and Lorenzo Hong," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1631.585, "end": 1632.685, "text": "Lawrence's parents." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1633.025, "end": 1634.105, "text": "Who are here with us" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1634.305, "end": 1635.285, "text": "today in the chamber." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1636.025, "end": 1637.905, "text": "Thank you for coming and please know," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1638.505, "end": 1640.865, "text": "on behalf of all of our colleagues at the city of Calgary," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1641.585, "end": 1645.005, "text": "that we hold the families and loved ones in our thoughts as we mark" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1645.665, "end": 1646.725, "text": "the solemn anniversary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1648.985, "end": 1651.085, "text": "Please join me in a moment of reflection" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1651.405, "end": 1652.525, "text": "over the lives that were lost." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1679.485, "end": 1680.525, "text": "Thank you so much, colleagues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1683.625, "end": 1686.605, "text": "With that, we will move to the confirmation of the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1688.085, "end": 1690.205, "text": "May I please have the confirmation moved?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1690.925, "end": 1691.965, "text": "Councillor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1692.465, "end": 1694.265, "text": "are there that is on the floor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1694.705, "end": 1697.545, "text": "Is there any changes to the agenda?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1699.025, "end": 1699.685, "text": "Councilor Schmidt?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1700.705, "end": 1706.305, "text": "Uh yes, I do have an item of urgent business that I believe the clerks" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1706.985, "end": 1709.245, "text": "have ready here. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1710.485, "end": 1740.765, "text": "so two points of explanation for just for your support on this. First off, um it is to do with one-time funding for parks maintenance. The urgent aspect of this is that for this to wait until the May meeting would be too late for parks, should the funding be approved. The May meeting would be too late to undertake the process of uh hiring the necessary staff to undertake the additional work. And second, it's on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1741.305, "end": 1780.605, "text": "I had to do it this way because I did intend to upload it correctly but did not press the final button. So uh functionally, this was user error, which I take full responsibility for. Um and you know, regardless of the view on the notice of motion itself, if I could have your support just to add this to urgent business so that we can discuss that, that would be greatly appreciated. Um so the urgency is because of the funding deadlines for hiring, but the reason is because I am no good with computer. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1781.265, "end": 1782.165, "text": "Um thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1785.025, "end": 1786.685, "text": "All right. Uh Councilor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1788.805, "end": 1789.365, "text": "Some" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1789.965, "end": 1791.205, "text": "sounds like a phishing scheme." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1791.705, "end": 1793.605, "text": "You must do this or else" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1796.025, "end": 1796.845, "text": "I'm not gonna support it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1801.465, "end": 1802.685, "text": "Okay, Councilor McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 1803.965, "end": 1806.425, "text": "Yeah, I I don't know, maybe the better explanation" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 1806.965, "end": 1810.565, "text": "as to why this is coming now. I mean, we've been on council. This" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 1810.845, "end": 1814.945, "text": "it's happening pretty often. I'm not saying I'm not gonna support it, but I'd like to know why it just wasn't submitted" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 1815.325, "end": 1818.625, "text": "during the deadline. I mean there's rules that we have here that this is supposed to be on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 1818.965, "end": 1819.865, "text": "usually by Tuesday." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 1820.465, "end": 1821.005, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 1821.465, "end": 1822.405, "text": "and coming up with council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 1822.625, "end": 1823.745, "text": "right now, like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 1825.605, "end": 1828.725, "text": "why yeah. I I I just don't know if we're gonna keep it I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 1829.225, "end": 1831.845, "text": "explain that to me please, maybe when you're when you're close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1833.805, "end": 1883.365, "text": "Uh seeing no other lights, I'll weigh in as chair. The procedure bylaw asked me to make a recommendation as whether uh urgent business should be added. Uh my recommendation will be to add it to the agenda. My understanding is the uh cadence of the park's maintenance cycles, getting contractors in place, staff in place. If council is going to make a decision on uh boosting some of the park's maintain maintenance funding levels along the lines of what was just recently uh adopted by council uh through the consent agenda on the the the committee report on funding levels, now is the time for us to be able to do it. I'm not sure if it'll be as efficient if uh the debate were to happen, say, two months from now, based on just the starting of the the spring season. So again, agnostic of whether this is a good or bad idea. Um I believe that it's fair for it to be on the agenda at this point, uh regardless of the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1883.605, "end": 1889.585, "text": "Falling on the sword on the uh user error piece. So uh Counselor Johnston on the adding of urgent business." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1890.605, "end": 1892.345, "text": "Sorry, are we allowed to ask admin" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1892.705, "end": 1895.645, "text": "um questions if this is urgent or not?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1897.785, "end": 1903.625, "text": "Uh you you could ask questions of administration, but largely it's a committee determination of whether we view it to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1904.225, "end": 1905.645, "text": "be uh on our agenda today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1906.605, "end": 1909.285, "text": "So uh please go ahead, Counselor Johnston, if you wanted to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1909.485, "end": 1916.805, "text": "I'd ask you not to get into the merits of the motion itself. Right now we're just purely debating whether we should allow a debate to be able to allow a debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1917.405, "end": 1919.565, "text": "If we don't allow this, will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1922.645, "end": 1924.285, "text": "the parks maintenance" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1924.525, "end": 1925.705, "text": "be in question" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1926.485, "end": 1928.785, "text": "this year if we do not get this through" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1929.565, "end": 1930.145, "text": "right now?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1931.685, "end": 1955.365, "text": "Thanks to the question. Uh maybe just forgot it. Parks maintenance will occur this year, but the additional funding if we waited another month, uh, would that affect our ability to get uh contractors and staff on site because the maintenance cycles are just about uh once the snow stops to spark up. So we're starting that spooling activity on the maintenance side of the things. I know I've gotten some questions on um." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1955.765, "end": 1972.905, "text": "Uh capital maintenance and sidewalk repairs. We have a little more time when it comes to that with our contractors, and we've had some discussions on that. So this is uh timing is right for direction from council on parks maintenance, and we can make adjustments to some of our capital programs if we had another month, if that makes sense." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1974.585, "end": 1978.385, "text": "And this isn't something internally you guys can adjust." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1991.105, "end": 1992.725, "text": "And the lack oh," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1994.005, "end": 1996.305, "text": "I'll get to the technical, so um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1997.825, "end": 1999.005, "text": "yeah, I'll leave it there, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1999.905, "end": 2009.385, "text": "I should clarify for members, the public and committee members, this motion contemplates a boost on top of what the ordinary maintenance levels are. So if we want to boost the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2009.845, "end": 2013.625, "text": "The funding. That that would be the decision that would be made or not as part of this motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2014.685, "end": 2018.165, "text": "Alright, uh, Councilor Schmidt to to close on the adding of urgent business." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2018.205, "end": 2022.405, "text": "Yes, to close and to answer Councilor McClain's question again, um I did have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2023.005, "end": 2034.245, "text": "Monday morning I spoke with clerks. I had it uploaded into the portal. It was a user error where I thought that I had put it through the system correctly. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2034.885, "end": 2063.545, "text": "I won't get too deep into the details, but I was at my in-laws place out of town getting ready to leave with uh getting the kid packed up and did not realize that I had missed the pressing of one button, uh, which is why. So the intention was to have this on the regular agenda, but I made an error on pressing a button, which is why it's going this way, which is definitely not my preference. It's certainly not um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2064.845, "end": 2075.745, "text": "How I would like to carry on my business, but I made a mistake. And so just asking for your grace in allowing this to make it onto the agenda and then discuss the technical merits from there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2077.325, "end": 2081.105, "text": "All right, uh with that, uh, let's engage the e vote. This is to add it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2081.525, "end": 2088.325, "text": "to the agenda to be debated. This is not approval of the motion, it's to add it to the agenda in order for it to be debated later." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2099.065, "end": 2100.765, "text": "Councillor Adkinson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2101.125, "end": 2101.545, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2101.685, "end": 2102.105, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2102.505, "end": 2104.205, "text": "Counselor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2106.745, "end": 2107.165, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2107.585, "end": 2107.905, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2108.965, "end": 2110.345, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2110.585, "end": 2111.945, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2111.945, "end": 2113.965, "text": "I'm sorry, before you count the votes," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2114.225, "end": 2119.005, "text": "do all members of council votes count on adding urgent business and at this committee?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2119.105, "end": 2131.325, "text": "Uh for the purposes of uh uh of committee work, uh we're all entitled to equal opportunities to vote. The only restriction for members of committee or not uh is whether you count a quorum, I believe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2132.185, "end": 2133.425, "text": "Is that correct, uh Madam Clerk?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2133.525, "end": 2134.645, "text": "You're correct, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2136.565, "end": 2142.145, "text": "Okay. On that uh the motion to add the urgent business is carried uh 14 to 1 with Councillor Chabot opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2143.625, "end": 2146.625, "text": "All right. Uh Councilor Kelly, would you mind moving the consent agenda?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2147.965, "end": 2148.665, "text": "Or no, no," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2148.985, "end": 2149.325, "text": "no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2150.005, "end": 2150.605, "text": "In the minutes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2152.025, "end": 2152.925, "text": "Oh my god, no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2153.505, "end": 2154.025, "text": "Madam Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2156.245, "end": 2166.965, "text": "But you've been a gone you've been gone so long I I don't know how to carry on without you, Madam Clerk. All right, so we have an amended agenda that's on the floor. Are there any uh further amendments to this agenda?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2169.785, "end": 2177.405, "text": "All right. All right. Uh let's uh call the question, let's engage the e votes, please, on the uh the confirmation of the agenda as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2183.425, "end": 2184.985, "text": "Counselor Adkinson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2185.185, "end": 2185.545, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2185.645, "end": 2186.225, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2189.005, "end": 2190.285, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2191.005, "end": 2192.665, "text": "Uh thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2195.145, "end": 2197.345, "text": "All right, so that motion is carried 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2197.985, "end": 2203.065, "text": "We have an agenda, we have a meeting. Uh Councilor Kelly, would you mind moving the confirmation of the minutes?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2203.285, "end": 2205.345, "text": "Of the uh March 3rd meeting. Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2209.385, "end": 2210.485, "text": "Quiet you. Alright." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2211.125, "end": 2213.085, "text": "I think that's good. Any debate on the minutes?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2214.485, "end": 2218.485, "text": "Uh seeing none, uh let's uh engage the vote, please, uh, Madam Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2228.645, "end": 2230.185, "text": "Councilor Adkinson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2230.185, "end": 2230.485, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2230.605, "end": 2231.105, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2236.365, "end": 2237.585, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2238.045, "end": 2239.545, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2243.585, "end": 2246.025, "text": "And that motion is carried. The minutes are approved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2246.425, "end": 2249.905, "text": "Uh Councilor Kelly, would you please move the consent agenda omnibus motion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2250.545, "end": 2256.545, "text": "All right. Uh that's been moved by Councillor Kelly. I'm gonna go through the lights now. Counselor Clark on the consent agenda, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 2256.765, "end": 2273.805, "text": "Yes. Thank you, Chair. I just would like to uh briefly pull 5.2.3 uh notice of motion agent of change policy uh to provide uh if clerks could provide um the letters of support and my uh checklist, please, to members of council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2274.725, "end": 2277.125, "text": "All right, great. Uh Councilor Benizopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 2277.585, "end": 2293.525, "text": "So much I'd like to pull from consent 5.2.4, notice of motion, building Calgaries, Creative Future, Long-Term Arts, Music, Culture, and Creative Economy Strategy. Uh there is an amendment which was circulated and clerks has a copy as well as one other sponsor to add and uh we can debate it after." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 2293.805, "end": 2294.145, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2295.125, "end": 2296.385, "text": "Alright, Councillor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2298.285, "end": 2299.125, "text": "Okay, same item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2299.565, "end": 2301.385, "text": "Councillor Johnston on consent agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2302.165, "end": 2305.025, "text": "Uh yeah, I'd like to pull five point two point one, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2305.465, "end": 2305.585, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2308.885, "end": 2313.365, "text": "Alright, uh all the items last 5.2.2 have been pulled. Uh anybody else?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2315.165, "end": 2319.605, "text": "All right. Uh with that, uh, let's engage the evote on the consent agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2319.845, "end": 2321.585, "text": "Omnibus motion containing only" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2322.145, "end": 2325.345, "text": "5.2.2 notice of motion amending community standards bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2338.045, "end": 2339.645, "text": "Counselor Atkinson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 2340.065, "end": 2340.445, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2340.645, "end": 2342.425, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Clark, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 2342.545, "end": 2342.885, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2343.045, "end": 2343.545, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2343.845, "end": 2345.445, "text": "Counselor Ewell, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2345.545, "end": 2345.985, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2347.205, "end": 2348.525, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2349.025, "end": 2350.505, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2354.225, "end": 2356.145, "text": "And that motion is carried 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2356.945, "end": 2360.345, "text": "We'll now move to section 7." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2360.545, "end": 2363.045, "text": "Items from officers of council administration committees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2363.385, "end": 2366.125, "text": "Consent agenda items selected for debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2366.605, "end": 2368.825, "text": "We are up on 5.2.1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2371.745, "end": 2374.685, "text": "Yes, thank you. This uh notice of motion" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2374.905, "end": 2383.965, "text": "uh is focused on advocacy. I won't get into the merits of it. Essentially, it is something that the mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2384.485, "end": 2405.445, "text": "Is able to do with the direction of council. It is not directing the province to do anything. It is asking for collaboration. And so it it's in suit or sorry, it's in line with what other municipalities uh have already done across the province, and it is simply" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2406.105, "end": 2407.005, "text": "asking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2407.505, "end": 2447.805, "text": "The mayor to ask the province to talk to us about these changes because these changes would potentially have an effect on the operations and service delivery of uh some of the municipal programs that we deliver. And so that is the connection. It's gone through the necessary checks and balances of the notice of motion process. So, as a notice of motion itself, I believe it fits all technical grounds. And if there are concerns around the merits of the motion, then I am uh ready and excited to have that discussion at the upcoming council meeting, should this pass here today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2449.165, "end": 2452.325, "text": "Thank you. That's been moved by Councilor Schmidt. Councilor Shabot on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2454.185, "end": 2462.445, "text": "Yeah. Way too much description on the merits of this motion. Um my question specific on this is the a wording" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2462.805, "end": 2465.445, "text": "uh on the further be it resolved that the mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2466.085, "end": 2476.145, "text": "On behalf of council, write a letter to it's just it sounds like we're directing the mayor. We can't direct the mayor. Um I think the wording is is not proper. It should say that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2476.645, "end": 2481.445, "text": "that the mayor be asked to or encouraged to or something to that effect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2481.645, "end": 2487.345, "text": "Yeah, typically it's request, so that's a that's a good point that should be revised if this were to come to Council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2487.645, "end": 2489.865, "text": "Yeah, and as well as and then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2490.065, "end": 2495.085, "text": "uh to write a letter. Again, some gr grammatical things, but uh again, we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2495.425, "end": 2498.485, "text": "gotta be careful about us telling anyone to do anything," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2499.125, "end": 2503.465, "text": "maybe asking them or requests, but not just basically saying do it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2506.625, "end": 2508.585, "text": "Thank you. Uh Councilor Johnson on this, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2512.165, "end": 2513.605, "text": "Yeah, sorry. The" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2516.005, "end": 2532.465, "text": "Councillor Schmidt said that there's no direction to the province. But all three it says immediately pause, undertake meaningful, publicly report. Those seems like uh seem like directions to the province. Um I just don't know why we're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2533.265, "end": 2537.405, "text": "sticking ourselves in a lane that we have real no say over. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2538.285, "end": 2538.765, "text": "but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2539.025, "end": 2542.965, "text": "I I just I wanted to vote on this, so I pulled it. I'll leave it there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2545.885, "end": 2556.365, "text": "Okay. I'll uh weigh in briefly before I go back to Councilor Schmidt. Happy to have that revised uh language change. If uh this is approved by committee, uh we can uh present an updated version." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2557.625, "end": 2558.865, "text": "Uh Councilor Schmidt's a closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2560.745, "end": 2561.525, "text": "Yes, I will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2561.825, "end": 2562.285, "text": "close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2563.385, "end": 2565.685, "text": "Um Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2566.365, "end": 2570.745, "text": "On notice of motion, advocacy on behalf of Calvary residents relating to Asia." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2579.245, "end": 2580.825, "text": "Counselor Adkinson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2581.165, "end": 2581.785, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2582.685, "end": 2584.045, "text": "Councilor Schmidt, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2584.245, "end": 2584.805, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2585.725, "end": 2587.065, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2587.585, "end": 2589.005, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2595.865, "end": 2600.005, "text": "And that motion is carried 12 to 3 with Councillors Jameson, Johnston, and Tyres against." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2602.685, "end": 2605.305, "text": "We'll now move to, I believe, is your item, uh, Council Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 2608.965, "end": 2609.625, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 2611.865, "end": 2613.425, "text": "this is my first notice of motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 2613.745, "end": 2625.885, "text": "And uh so I just want to clarify um for executive, I pulled this so that I could attach letters of support and uh my checklist. And I wonder is now the opportunity to sort of speak to the merits?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2626.445, "end": 2634.085, "text": "Uh not to merits at this point, just uh it's purely process. So uh we'll have you place that motion that's up on the screen with the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2634.445, "end": 2636.945, "text": "addition of the distribution of letters of support." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 2637.665, "end": 2639.305, "text": "I would like to do so. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2639.305, "end": 2639.805, "text": "Perfect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2640.585, "end": 2646.425, "text": "So that's uh up on the screen, Council. This uh has the addition of directing the clerk's office to distribute the letters of support" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2646.825, "end": 2649.485, "text": "and to uh forward to council adding to the corporate record." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2649.905, "end": 2651.285, "text": "Anyone wish to speak to this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2654.465, "end": 2659.125, "text": "Alright seeing none uh we'll close that up. Uh Madam Clerk let's engage the vote on the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2659.485, "end": 2660.525, "text": "revised recommendation here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2672.365, "end": 2672.845, "text": "Councilor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2673.345, "end": 2674.865, "text": "McLean, your vote, please. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2675.165, "end": 2676.505, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2677.325, "end": 2679.025, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2681.625, "end": 2683.525, "text": "And that motion is carried 15 to zero." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2683.885, "end": 2687.325, "text": "And then I believe for the remaining item polled, Councillor Pandasopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2687.825, "end": 2689.145, "text": "Or um Madam Clerk, sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2689.425, "end": 2691.945, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Apologies for the interruption." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2692.305, "end": 2700.365, "text": "We do still have to vote to forward Councilor Clark's notice of motion on to Council. We prepared it as a separate one as that came up this morning. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2700.705, "end": 2707.345, "text": "Alright, so we did the motion about the distribution of letters. This one is to send the actual motion from Councilor Clark. That's been moved by Councilor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2707.485, "end": 2709.005, "text": "Let's engage the e vote on that as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2720.645, "end": 2722.125, "text": "Councilor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2722.705, "end": 2723.265, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2723.785, "end": 2725.085, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2725.365, "end": 2726.885, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2729.085, "end": 2732.465, "text": "And that motion is carried unanimously. Over to Councilor Panasopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 2733.865, "end": 2734.885, "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 2735.165, "end": 2735.725, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 2736.545, "end": 2795.665, "text": "Sent out this notice of motion and subsequent with debates and discussions with members of council wanted to make uh a couple amendments. One adding Councillor Yule, thank you so much for your support and your collaboration with it, uh, as well as adding some documentation which was sent around a black line specifically about smaller organizations. And when you think about arts and culture and creative industries and music, it's not just the worklands, it's the small groups. An example being this weekend, I was at uh representing the city at uh um folk awards for Canada, and there were so many small organizations. And did you know that all four quadrants have in community associations music and uh events that are organized by volunteers? And I think it was a very important addition to put that in to make sure that when we look at the big and the small, so it's there, it's fundamentally, hopefully can support the technical merits, uh, lots of support in the industry, lots of support uh folks that are impacted, and hopefully on the technical side, we've addressed everything, and uh, we can bring it to council for a proper debate on how we want to see the strategy of arts, culture, music." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 2796.225, "end": 2798.305, "text": "And uh creative industries in Calgary. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2798.705, "end": 2803.625, "text": "Alright, that's been uh put on the table by Councilor Panasopoulos. Uh on this, uh Councilor Johnson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2804.305, "end": 2807.885, "text": "Yeah, we went through a couple strategy meetings and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2808.945, "end": 2811.425, "text": "I mean I've sat with the arts uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2812.085, "end": 2813.745, "text": "committee and department and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2814.785, "end": 2819.205, "text": "I mean I think the city already does a pretty good job. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2819.785, "end": 2820.865, "text": "and this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2821.345, "end": 2832.125, "text": "topic was not part of our strategy going forward as a council. I mean, there's still time to add arts and culture to our next four year vision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2832.945, "end": 2836.965, "text": "Um I'll support this now, but I think we need to seriously consider." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2838.165, "end": 2838.825, "text": "whether" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2840.165, "end": 2840.905, "text": "this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2841.905, "end": 2848.305, "text": "and I this is the second notice of motion today that involves uh arts and culture. So um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 2848.945, "end": 2857.805, "text": "it's just we have infrastructure and other things we need to focus on right now. Um but I look forward to debate at council on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2859.545, "end": 2871.485, "text": "Okay, thank you, Councillor Johnston. I'm gonna ask uh members of council again, or committee rather. This is really just a technical debate about whether the debate is ready to be added, council. We're not getting it into the merits of what priority should be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2871.705, "end": 2879.605, "text": "or whether that is a good idea or bad idea. It's just about whether or not we've done our due diligence to allow that council member to put their idea on the table." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2880.105, "end": 2881.045, "text": "Councilor Tyres, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2883.745, "end": 2890.765, "text": "Um, yeah, I guess the technical merits are there, but what I want to know is what it's actually solving. What problem is it solving?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2892.445, "end": 2911.325, "text": "I guess that's not before us right now, my colleagues tell me, but the I have some like I I'm a supporter of the arts. I am on the Calgary Arts Development Association. I'm also supporting the Arts uh Commons Advisory. And I just want to know like where did this come from?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2912.985, "end": 2921.365, "text": "Because i to me right now it just looks like we're asking administration to come up with a strategy and come up with a plan. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2922.345, "end": 2945.285, "text": "counselor, I I guess the counselor that spoke earlier that talked about how there's things are actually working really well. And my concerns are, you know, things like the blue ring and things like what happened at COP. We don't want that to happen again. And I think these good guys are doing a great job. So um I suppose if they can address that in their clothes, um that'll be good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2946.085, "end": 2950.465, "text": "I have to say, Councilor Tyres, I love how you're able to hold eye contact with me" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2950.965, "end": 2952.125, "text": "and keep a straight face." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2953.405, "end": 2955.585, "text": "Counselor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2959.225, "end": 2963.565, "text": "Yeah, no, it's I have similar concerns with um those emotion coming to council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2963.905, "end": 2981.385, "text": "uh from some members of council uh that are related to um areas that other members of council have been appointed to and that haven't been consulted about it. And so that's where I'm a bit challenged on this, especially in things like the technical merits of this and administration saying that they can do it within their budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2981.905, "end": 3001.965, "text": "And you know, I I look at this and I see this as as being a lot of work, not just, oh, we can do it within our budget. And that's why I'm challenged by the merits of this and whether or not there is the financial tools to actually do this within their current existing budget, or that no projects are going to fall off the table. And that's why" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 3002.285, "end": 3016.825, "text": "for me today, I'm a no. If this was you know further explored and worked with the counselor who was more directly involved in this area, um I would be inclined to support it, but not the way it's been presented." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3018.105, "end": 3020.365, "text": "Thank you. Uh Councilor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3020.585, "end": 3021.585, "text": "The technical merits." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3022.485, "end": 3063.925, "text": "Yeah, I just uh taking a look at the notice motion checklist here, just wanted to uh thank Councillor Panaslopoulos for reaching out to enough of the uh the different organizations who this would impact. Um specifically, I appreciate that this is coming from the counselor who is our representative on Calgary Economic Development Board because this is specifically about an economic strategy for our creative industries. So I appreciate that it's coming from that direction and that uh we're seeing letters of support in here from organizations such as Calgary Economic Development and from uh um Calgary Arts Development as well uh supporting this. So um, yeah, looks like a lot of the due diligence was done here on the on the notice of motion checklist. So happy to support it today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3067.085, "end": 3070.185, "text": "Thank you with that. Thank you for that, Councilor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3072.405, "end": 3075.885, "text": "I'll just uh rise briefly uh for some" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3076.585, "end": 3080.225, "text": "own personal debate. I I'm just reviewing the notice of motion checklist." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3081.045, "end": 3082.245, "text": "I consider the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3082.685, "end": 3085.265, "text": "financial and resource capacity concerns to be quite thorough." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3085.585, "end": 3101.485, "text": "Looks like it's uh been vetted by administration, and I think that some of the questions we may have about resourcing would be a good question at uh the appropriate time at the city council table. So I'm very happy to support this on to uh to be debated. So over to Councilor Panasopolis to close, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3101.505, "end": 3128.745, "text": "Yeah, thanks so much. I think my closing will be in the words of the sponsors. Uh but before I go there, just to address specifically not having interest in the arts. Arts and music and culture is something very near and dear to my heart, my family, since they were knee-high to a grasshopper involved in the arts. It's something that is near and dear to me. I serve on Calgary Economic Developments Board. There is clear support from an economic perspective. I serve as chair of the Workland Advisory Committee. There is absolutely direct drive. And I'll quote" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3129.705, "end": 3139.765, "text": "CADA's response about uh engagement and why it makes sense. And these are not my words, these are from CADA economic diversification and downtown revitalization, infrastructure and accessibility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3140.605, "end": 3146.725, "text": "Transparency and partnership, a strategic imperative, smart power. Those are not my words. They're the partners that are going to be impacted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3147.105, "end": 3151.785, "text": "So as you look through the technical merits, look at who this is impacting. I think the time is now. We have game plan," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3152.125, "end": 3165.645, "text": "it gives us a roadmap. We have route ahead, gives us a roadmap. We have how home is here, we have a roadmap. We need a roadmap here. So hopefully you get the support. I'd love to debate the technical merits. I have lots of uh, and I'm sure my colleagues will too, but uh, let's have a real discussion" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3166.305, "end": 3172.445, "text": "about how we want to envision our arts, culture, music, and creative industries as we move to two million Calgarians. Thank you, Mr. Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3173.325, "end": 3175.585, "text": "Thank you. Uh let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3175.725, "end": 3179.125, "text": "On 7.2.4 notice motion, building Calgary's create a future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3186.385, "end": 3187.785, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3188.145, "end": 3189.565, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3193.365, "end": 3197.405, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 12 to 3 with Council Chabot, Johnston, and Tyres opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3199.305, "end": 3204.105, "text": "Is there a follow up motion on that? Or the previous one had both the forwarding and the distribution?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3205.065, "end": 3212.285, "text": "It this one Council Pentazo gave us ahead of time and he revised the notice of motion to include all the revised letters so we were able to prepare it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3213.905, "end": 3214.445, "text": "Great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3223.745, "end": 3234.465, "text": "I believe we've exhausted consent agenda items selected for debate, which brings us to 7.2, 2026 designated historical resource property tax cancellations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3235.345, "end": 3235.825, "text": "Come on up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3241.925, "end": 3263.445, "text": "Good morning, Mayor and members of Executive Committee. My name is Colson Buchanan. I'm a policy advisor with Assessment and Tax. I'm joined by my colleagues from City and Regional Planning and others from Assessment and Tax, and we're here today to provide some recommendations for property tax cancellations as part of the city's designated historical resource property tax cancellations program. Did you want a brief presentation for this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3263.665, "end": 3264.265, "text": "Yes, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3264.365, "end": 3266.485, "text": "Perfect. We can start with the next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3268.225, "end": 3288.725, "text": "Today we are recommending that Executive Committee recommend council approve the cancellation of municipal property taxes for designated municipal historic resource properties as specified in attachment three of this report for a total cancellation value of $371,520.82. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3290.145, "end": 3324.645, "text": "The designated historical resource property tax cancellation program originated from a notice of motion in October 2024, and $1.3 million in funding from the Fiscal Stability Reserve was approved by Council in November 2024 to cover the tax cancellations and program administration costs for a two year pilot program. In April 2025, Council approved a policy to govern this program, the tax cancellations for the 2025 year, and approved recommendations against the use of tax subclasses for historic properties. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3327.025, "end": 3352.365, "text": "The city's heritage strategy and policy aims to identify, protect, and manage Calgary's historic resources, recognizing the numerous benefits of historic properties to the city. This includes educational opportunities about the city's built history, cultural benefits through a sense of historic identity and community pride, and environmental benefits by preserving existing buildings and avoiding the material and energy costs associated with demolition and redevelopment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3353.445, "end": 3372.045, "text": "The designated historical resource property tax cancellation program offers a 15% cancellation of municipal property taxes to support private property owners with the cost of maintaining and preserving their regulated property in accordance with their heritage designation, which often requires specialized materials or trade skills." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3373.005, "end": 3381.105, "text": "And aims to act as an incentive to encourage owners of historic but not yet designated properties to pursue the legal protection of their property." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3381.925, "end": 3392.925, "text": "There are additional strategic alignments with heritage conservation in the Municipal Development Plan and the Greater Downtown Plan, as historic properties bring aesthetic, historic, and cultural value to our communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3393.465, "end": 3394.385, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3396.245, "end": 3420.805, "text": "To be eligible for a tax cancellation under this program, a property must be privately owned and must be designated as a municipal historic resource in accordance with the Historical Resources Act and a bylaw passed by council. Administration reviews the list of designated historic resources to identify the qualifying properties and prepares the tax cancellation value at 15% of their municipal property tax amount for the year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3422.065, "end": 3437.565, "text": "Tax cancellations would be calculated directly into the annual property tax bill of the qualifying properties, meaning no action is required by the property owners, and they will see the heritage tax cancellation reflected on a statement of their tax account when it is sent with alongside their annual tax bill in May." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3439.025, "end": 3452.225, "text": "This year there are a total of 106 eligible properties detailed individually in attachment three, qualifying for the grand total of $371,000, which comes in below budget for this year as the program did last year," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3453.045, "end": 3458.325, "text": "and the remaining unused budget at the end of this year would be released back to the FSR." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3459.465, "end": 3477.085, "text": "There may be some variance in the final totals due to properties with outstanding assessment or view board complaints, which may result in a change to their assessed value and ultimately impact the tax cancellation value that the property receives. And these cancellations are processed once the complaint is resolved and the property assessed value can be finalized." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3478.485, "end": 3491.085, "text": "Additionally, council had previously directed administration to use the actual amounts from this pilot to inform the addition of base funding for ongoing property tax cancellations for historic resource properties in the next four year budget cycle." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3491.705, "end": 3509.765, "text": "Work is currently underway to evaluate opportunities to refine the program and determine a budget ask for your consideration in the 2027 to 2030 budget cycle. And administration will be reporting back later this year with an evaluation of the pilot program's outcomes and recommendations for your consideration on the future of the program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3511.045, "end": 3512.005, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3513.445, "end": 3530.205, "text": "So to conclude, we are recommending the approval of tax cancellations totaling $371,000 and change for the municipal historic resource properties, which will conclude the pilot program. Thank you, and happy to address any questions that council or committee may have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3531.165, "end": 3532.685, "text": "All right, uh Councillor Jameson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3533.745, "end": 3534.865, "text": "Or Deputy Mayor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3535.925, "end": 3536.545, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3536.665, "end": 3537.125, "text": "You're welcome." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3537.285, "end": 3537.845, "text": "Appreciate that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3538.505, "end": 3545.405, "text": "I just just one question. So I'm I'm you know, I I'm kind of understanding, I'm understanding the reason why this was put forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3546.585, "end": 3548.425, "text": "Do we actually have any" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3548.905, "end": 3551.325, "text": "evidence that it is encouraging" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3551.705, "end": 3553.025, "text": "the restoration work?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3554.005, "end": 3561.205, "text": "Because I think that's the whole purpose is you know, somebody buys a historic property, they're not allowed to tear it down." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3561.705, "end": 3562.345, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3562.745, "end": 3571.425, "text": "It's a lot more expensive to renovate and to deal with uh you know the the restrictions around uh historic properties." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3572.825, "end": 3586.285, "text": "So I think the the goal of this, maybe you could elaborate, is to encourage the restoration process or home like property owners to actually put the work in to preserving the buildings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3586.865, "end": 3591.385, "text": "And is that actually working? And do we have any like proof that this pilot is working?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3591.905, "end": 3630.045, "text": "I would say my understanding with the heritage designations is they're required to maintain the property to a certain standard as outlined in their designation. And so the intention of this type of program is less about encouraging them to do the thing that they're required to do, but more so recognize the costs that they incur because of the requirements for specialized materials or trade skills, as well as to see if I've got some assistance with your question. And to encourage people to consider making that designation of their property as a historic resource, knowing that there would be some financial support with those added expenses. But I will turn it over." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3630.885, "end": 3634.365, "text": "Thanks, Colson. Joe Mueller, City Planning Colson said it, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3634.985, "end": 3640.945, "text": "what is really essential is the city has a program to support owners of historic properties" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3641.845, "end": 3650.245, "text": "for those renovation works. So the city matches the amount that the property owner spends on approved renovation work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3651.045, "end": 3659.985, "text": "To be eligible for that program, though, the property must be legally protected as a heritage resource. And that's often the obstacle" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3660.625, "end": 3661.085, "text": "to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3662.025, "end": 3683.645, "text": "Owners to actually becoming eligible for the city support. And this tax incentive is a motivation for a property owner to take that step to legally protect the property and then become eligible. So it is a definitely a motivating factor for property owners to then enable the city to help them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3685.245, "end": 3691.805, "text": "Yeah, because if not this way, I guess the question is how, what other way would you, what other mechanism would you use then?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3695.265, "end": 3702.385, "text": "Very good point, counselor. Because the city cannot and does not force the legal protection." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3703.085, "end": 3726.925, "text": "We try to encourage owners, and these property owners are doing something for the benefit of all Calgarians by preserving these properties, but they're taking on an obligation to not alter them, to not change them, to not demolish them. And financial incentives, that financial recognition to help them carry the additional burden, as you pointed out, of preserving a heritage property is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3727.665, "end": 3731.845, "text": "an important step and a meaningful one to help them make that decision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3733.885, "end": 3734.665, "text": "That's all. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3737.345, "end": 3738.905, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Johnston, on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 3739.965, "end": 3756.585, "text": "So are the owners of these private houses um have they represented or have they proven that they can't afford to pay the full tax or that they can't afford to pay for the renovations of these houses? Is there any criteria that they have to meet to receive" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 3757.725, "end": 3761.405, "text": "uh tax cancellation and or funding from the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3761.985, "end": 3770.385, "text": "Under the current program criteria, there is no means testing for the program. It's just you have to have that heritage designation in place and then you receive the credit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 3770.785, "end": 3771.265, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 3771.765, "end": 3773.885, "text": "somebody that would live in one of these homes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 3775.025, "end": 3777.865, "text": "would have had to apply for the heritage designation," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 3779.025, "end": 3787.685, "text": "knowing the implications of it being a heritage, or if somebody were to move into a heritage house, they would know the costs associated with that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3789.525, "end": 3811.305, "text": "Yeah, I think that the intention of the program isn't to offset costs that couldn't be afforded, but more so to encourage the designation of properties that could potentially be lost to redevelopment if they aren't designated. And so the intention is a financial incentive to pursue that designation of their property without necessarily accounting for the financial need as much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 3812.485, "end": 3816.025, "text": "Uh yeah, there's something about that feels wrong to me. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 3816.485, "end": 3818.225, "text": "I'll I'll leave it at that. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3819.745, "end": 3888.825, "text": "Sorry, I uh Alistair Pollock with Heritage Planning, City and Regional Planning. I just wanted to add just a couple pieces of information. Um, so with the um, as as Colton alluded to, the designation is something that's under the Alberta Historical Resources Act and it's it's passed by council through a bylaw, and that's ultimately registered on the land title. So that's that's something that runs with the property and it is available for property owners. Um a piece I wanted to add as well, um, in addition to the kind of primary purpose of the pilot program per the notice of motion of uh incentivizing designations, as my colleagues have spoken to, um, we do know through conducting feedback and engagement with owners of municipal historic resources that these property owners are uh fairly extensively reinvesting in their properties on average. And in addition to the support that our our grant program provides, which is a matching 50 50 private public grant program, property owners are also proactively on balance investing a lot in these properties. So we'll provide more information on that when we return to council before budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 3888.945, "end": 3897.525, "text": "So the owners of these buildings are in favor of tax cancellation and receiving grants to help pay for their renovations?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 3900.265, "end": 3900.685, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3900.845, "end": 3918.345, "text": "I'm property owners are are largely uh uh appreciative of the support. Um I I think uh what I wanted to convey is that generally speaking, relative to uh non-historic buildings, owners of historic buildings are typically investing significant resources in those buildings with their their private funds." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 3918.345, "end": 3929.345, "text": "Right. I'm just saying, of course they are in favor of this. And I think most taxpayers or homeowners would also be in favor of tax cancellations to their own home. So thank you for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3932.445, "end": 3934.305, "text": "Thank you. Can I get a mover for this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3935.065, "end": 3938.925, "text": "Moved by Councillor Clark. Any debate on that, Councilor Clark?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3940.225, "end": 3944.465, "text": "No, I think um it seems to be uh I thank you very much for the report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3944.685, "end": 3947.845, "text": "And to the three gentlemen that uh rose to deliver it. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3953.625, "end": 3955.325, "text": "All right. Any further debate, colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3957.785, "end": 3960.665, "text": "Seeing none, uh, let's engage the vote on this, please, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3961.125, "end": 3961.605, "text": "Madam Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3977.205, "end": 3978.505, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3979.085, "end": 3979.405, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3979.785, "end": 3980.065, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3980.365, "end": 3981.205, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3982.145, "end": 3983.645, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3986.165, "end": 3988.085, "text": "And that motion is carried 13 to 2." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3990.385, "end": 3993.525, "text": "We'll move to our next item. I believe that's waste and recycling funding. Well" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 3995.705, "end": 3997.285, "text": "time for some trash talk, Council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 4000.985, "end": 4002.185, "text": "Can't wait to hear" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 4003.065, "end": 4004.165, "text": "all of your" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 4005.125, "end": 4006.765, "text": "garbage opinions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 4007.025, "end": 4007.705, "text": "Counselor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4010.185, "end": 4025.045, "text": "Good morning, Chair and Members of Committee. My name is Douglas Holly, and I'm an economic strategist in Waste and Recycling Services. I'm joined by Julie Radke, Waste and Recycling Services Director. Melanie Cook, Manager of Business Strategy and Programmes, and Lianne Bell, Leader of Strategic Planning and Policy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4025.945, "end": 4035.545, "text": "We're here today on a recommendation to update Waste and Recycling's residential rate structure and provide information on the maturation of waste and recycling's funding model. Would you like a presentation on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4035.785, "end": 4036.325, "text": "Yes, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4036.945, "end": 4038.505, "text": "Okay, next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4040.985, "end": 4047.785, "text": "In February 2025, Council approved changes as part of the implementation of Extended Producer Responsibility, or EPR." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4048.185, "end": 4059.185, "text": "This included reducing the Blue Car programme monthly charge and direction to administration to evaluate changes as a result of EPR and assess options to update waste and recycling's rate structure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4060.125, "end": 4081.845, "text": "Following this direction, we're here today to recommend that the Executive Committee recommend that Council direct administration to prepare amendments to waste bylaw 4M 2020 for the 2027 to 2030 business plans and budgets to consolidate the monthly black, blue, and green car programme charges into one integrated charge starting from January 1st, 2027." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4083.045, "end": 4087.685, "text": "Waste and recycling requires council direction to bring forward either one integrated charge" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4087.945, "end": 4094.245, "text": "or continue with three separate charges as part of the 2027 to 2030 business plans and budgets." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4094.625, "end": 4095.585, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4098.805, "end": 4107.865, "text": "The residential cart collection program began in 2009 with the introduction of blue carts, followed by black carts in 2011 and green carts in 2017." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4108.785, "end": 4115.865, "text": "Although residential cart programs were rolled out individually over several years, they were designed to operate as an integrated waste management service." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4116.465, "end": 4124.385, "text": "Operating the cart service as one system has led to efficiencies in service design, operational contingency, and customer education." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4125.525, "end": 4141.225, "text": "The gradual introduction of the three carts programs meant that funding for each carp was determined at separate times. And over time, funding for carts has progressed from being partially supported by property taxes to fully supported by program charges and funding received from EPR." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4142.665, "end": 4154.705, "text": "EPR has led to a significant change in waste and recycling's business and financial operations and offers an opportunity to update the residential rate structure to more closely align with the integrated service offering and operational management." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4155.765, "end": 4156.665, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4158.985, "end": 4168.105, "text": "Waste and recycling assessed options to consolidate the residential cart charges into one charge or maintain the current residential rate structure with three separate cart charges." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4168.885, "end": 4174.805, "text": "The recommended option is to consolidate the three-cart program charges into one charge starting in 2027." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4175.745, "end": 4188.085, "text": "One overall charge better represents and communicates the integrated nature of the residential cart service. Sorting materials properly into a three-cart waste system leads to a more efficient operation of the cart programs overall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4189.565, "end": 4199.405, "text": "One residential charge also better represents costs that are shared across the cart service, such as billing, promotion education, program management, and infrastructure related costs," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4200.165, "end": 4205.125, "text": "as well as the operational efficiencies achieved by managing the carts as one residential waste service." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4206.105, "end": 4220.165, "text": "The change will reduce unnecessary complexity in waste and recycling's financial model, allowing waste and recycling to improve financial practices, reduce time spent on lower value activities, and more clearly convey information on funding and program costs with Calgaryans." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4221.045, "end": 4221.925, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4224.005, "end": 4229.065, "text": "Establishing one overall charge means a simplified billing structure for single family household customers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4229.605, "end": 4239.665, "text": "Customers may notice a change on their bill from three charges to one charge. A plan to communicate the change to customers is being developed, and if the recommendation is approved, it will be implemented." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4240.465, "end": 4252.405, "text": "Waste and Recycling will publish information on how the revenue received from the integrated cart program charge funds the residential cart service, including a breakdown of costs for different parts of the program to maintain transparency." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4253.305, "end": 4257.405, "text": "There will be no impact on service level and cost as a result of this recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4258.565, "end": 4259.425, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4261.305, "end": 4268.065, "text": "Waste and Recycling's approach to funding services and financial modelling has matured over time, in alignment with council direction and policies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4268.705, "end": 4274.865, "text": "The business unit has been on a journey to becoming a fully self-supported and aims to complete this journey by 2030." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4275.825, "end": 4289.525, "text": "Shifting waste and recycling's property tax funding to revenue received through fees and charges better aligns service charges with customer benefit as set out in the user fee policy and reduces complexity in waste and recycling's funding model." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4290.445, "end": 4298.165, "text": "Currently, tax support represents a smaller amount of waste and recycling's funding overall, approximately $8.8 million or 4.5%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4298.485, "end": 4313.645, "text": "Over the course of the next business cycle, waste and recycling plans to remove its remaining tax support through a mix of internal transfers and tax funding relinquishments that may be offset through cost mitigations, adjustments to fees and charges across waste services and other revenue sources." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4314.225, "end": 4317.005, "text": "These charges will be brought forward as part of future budgets." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4317.945, "end": 4324.345, "text": "The shift in funding from property taxes will be revenue neutral, will have no impact on the cost of operating services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4325.445, "end": 4326.325, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4327.825, "end": 4347.345, "text": "In closing, the recommendation is that the Executive Committee recommend that Council direct administration to prepare amendments to Waste By Law 4M 2020 for the 2027 to 2030 business plans and budgets to consolidate the monthly black, blue, and green cart program charges into one integrated charge starting from January 1st, 2027." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4347.965, "end": 4350.145, "text": "Thank you, and we're happy to take any questions you might have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 4352.065, "end": 4354.445, "text": "Thank you so much. Uh Councilor Shabot start us off." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4358.325, "end": 4358.765, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4361.165, "end": 4362.365, "text": "Recently, but um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4362.825, "end": 4364.085, "text": "I saved you the best for here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4366.165, "end": 4367.305, "text": "Uh the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4368.125, "end": 4370.045, "text": "I guess the first question is is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4370.345, "end": 4372.745, "text": "this going to improve the efficiency of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4373.305, "end": 4378.485, "text": "of delivering the service? Is there going to be some cost reductions, administrative reductions or something?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4379.405, "end": 4394.525, "text": "Uh thank you for the question. So overall the system already operates as an integrated service, but not having to separate out the costs into three separate streams will re you know, it will result in some efficiency in terms of that administrative piece of the work that we do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4394.765, "end": 4397.085, "text": "Haven't quantified what that might look like." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4397.665, "end": 4407.345, "text": "No, it would be in in time savings of of staff as well as just in terms of how we allocate those costs out and working in the future on the the billing of it as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4407.485, "end": 4412.205, "text": "Okay. Do we know what the total costs of delivery of each of those services are independently" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4412.705, "end": 4414.245, "text": "or combined total?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4414.425, "end": 4415.405, "text": "It's the total costs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4415.605, "end": 4416.705, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4417.145, "end": 4418.825, "text": "Do you want them separately or all together?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4418.825, "end": 4420.825, "text": "Sure, separately and total." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4422.425, "end": 4423.305, "text": "Pull that up for you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4434.565, "end": 4436.325, "text": "And and we've portioned off a uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4436.565, "end": 4444.025, "text": "some of the services to the private sector as well, right? At at least on one of the waste streams? I can't remember. Is it just blue cart or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4444.205, "end": 4457.305, "text": "So the there's two pieces to that. One is that we do have the mixed service delivery pilot on Black Cart. Um, that is incorporated in as part of the overall cost of the service delivery. So it's not separate, it's part of the the black cart." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4457.305, "end": 4457.845, "text": "the total cost" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4457.845, "end": 4458.565, "text": "Yeah, the total" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4458.565, "end": 4459.985, "text": "of it is done by the private sector?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4459.985, "end": 4483.025, "text": "that's correct. And then as part of extended producer responsibility, the oversight for the system shifted from the city to the province. And the producer organizations are nonprofit pieces that help with the oversight of that system. Our function now moved from sort of a service design to service delivery, meaning we essentially are the contractors delivering the service for them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4483.785, "end": 4484.665, "text": "If that makes sense." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4484.765, "end": 4484.945, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4486.185, "end": 4488.345, "text": "So do we have a breakdown on the costs? Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4488.525, "end": 4488.925, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4488.985, "end": 4490.685, "text": "Yeah, we spend" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4491.165, "end": 4505.565, "text": "approximately 30 million on black cart, approximately 43 million on blue cart, that includes DEPR cost saving, and approximately 49 million on green cart." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4507.465, "end": 4508.805, "text": "Oh 43 net" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4509.425, "end": 4510.925, "text": "on on uh blue cart?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4511.705, "end": 4512.125, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4512.125, "end": 4512.625, "text": "That's total." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4512.625, "end": 4514.045, "text": "That's that's total, yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4514.045, "end": 4514.805, "text": "That's gross." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4515.245, "end": 4517.185, "text": "But we're getting money from EPR." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4517.205, "end": 4517.805, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4517.705, "end": 4519.145, "text": "How much are we getting from EPR?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4519.965, "end": 4520.625, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4524.285, "end": 4526.445, "text": "approximately thirty two million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4526.905, "end": 4528.425, "text": "So net 13," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4530.125, "end": 4530.365, "text": "right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4531.225, "end": 4531.705, "text": "Eleven." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4531.985, "end": 4533.005, "text": "Uh eleven, sorry, yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4533.685, "end": 4534.045, "text": "I'm sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4534.165, "end": 4535.625, "text": "Doing the math, I think it's eleven." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4536.285, "end": 4536.645, "text": "Net." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4537.305, "end": 4537.565, "text": "11." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4537.565, "end": 4538.965, "text": "Forty-three and thirty-two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4539.725, "end": 4540.685, "text": "Okay, sorry, 11." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4541.645, "end": 4543.745, "text": "Oh, 32. Sorry, I missed that number." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4544.585, "end": 4547.905, "text": "Okay, so if I take 30 plus 13 plus 49," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4548.405, "end": 4550.865, "text": "uh 79, 89, 92 million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4551.205, "end": 4553.725, "text": "92 million would be about four and a half percent on the mill rate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4555.945, "end": 4561.725, "text": "It so if we were to add the cost to the mill rate, it would be approximately four over just over four percent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4561.945, "end": 4563.205, "text": "Okay, so four percent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4563.605, "end": 4572.085, "text": "So that's this is where I'm challenged with this. If I if I look at this and I and I look at at what my residents are paying, uh, they're paying about six hundred dollars a year," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4572.505, "end": 4579.225, "text": "roughly. And for for the residents in my year, six hundred dollars represents roughly the equivalent of about a twenty percent tax." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4579.565, "end": 4583.965, "text": "So if I could correct that, it's it's about twenty dollars a month." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4584.325, "end": 4590.125, "text": "So it's more like twenty two hundred and forty dollars a year that each uh single family household pays for cart" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4590.125, "end": 4596.585, "text": "So I spoke to some residents, they said it was fifty-seven dollars their pay total for all three. You're saying how much?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4596.745, "end": 4597.205, "text": "20." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4597.385, "end": 4598.045, "text": "20." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4598.765, "end": 4601.565, "text": "Twenty dollars and fifty one cents for twenty twenty six." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4602.525, "end": 4603.365, "text": "Okay, so 20." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4604.065, "end": 4607.405, "text": "Um so if I multiply that twelve by twelve, two hundred and forty." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4607.925, "end": 4610.625, "text": "Um my municipal tax is about fifteen hundred." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4611.505, "end": 4614.585, "text": "So significantly more than ten percent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4614.705, "end": 4633.425, "text": "So it's approximately the same on a median family, but the the the main difference here is that the cart service is only provided to single family households. The mill rate applies to all. So it applies to multifamily to businesses to single family, and multifamily and uh businesses do not receive our service." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4633.425, "end": 4633.625, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4633.625, "end": 4640.665, "text": "And so they would be paying for a service that they don't receive and they're not eligible to receive, which is why the CART program charges to single family." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4640.785, "end": 4642.685, "text": "But we don't provide them the service." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4643.765, "end": 4651.025, "text": "We provide single family service. We do not provide service to multifamily or businesses, but they pay property tax." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4651.265, "end": 4660.045, "text": "Ah, okay. I'll have to see how much the difference is between the residential single family versus uh residential not single family." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4660.325, "end": 4664.165, "text": "I think there's a big difference there because we have a lot more single family homes than we have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4664.385, "end": 4665.845, "text": "multifamily, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4666.065, "end": 4680.125, "text": "Yeah, so the single family homes are paying for the service that they receive. If we were to put it on the mill rate, it would mean that multifamily would bear a cost of that in the range of four to four and a half percent increase on their property taxes for a service they don't receive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4680.225, "end": 4680.545, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4680.625, "end": 4680.925, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4681.805, "end": 4711.985, "text": "Um have we ever looked at um so we look at service, cost of service, a service fee we call it. Um but yet for me service fee would be something like if I go to a record center or if I go to a golf course. Um I choose to to go there, therefore I pay a fee. Um another example would be transit. Oh, hang on a second, it actually doesn't work with transit. In fact, we're doing the exact opposite with transit. We're more mill rate supported than we are user fee supported." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4712.385, "end": 4731.945, "text": "So so so it begs a question why is it on something that's an essential service? It's not something you can opt out of. Why we want to move to a a service model rather than a mill rate model. I get the complexities of multifamily and single family, but nonetheless the the it it begs the question of of providing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4732.165, "end": 4777.025, "text": "Equity across services and the delivery of those services if you can't opt out. I asked this question when we first introduced the blue cart many years ago. I said with today's technology, and this is in 2000, whatever it was, seven or eight, in with today's technology, why is it that we couldn't have a system similar to water? Water is a service fee. It's a self supporting fee. But you pay based on how much you use. There's a lot of people out there that aren't using the service nearly as much as others. And with the ability of incorporating barcodes, why is it that we can't go to a pay for service fee structure with uh with the waste collections? Blue card, green card, black card." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4777.545, "end": 4814.285, "text": "So that's a good question, and there are models that are used in other places in terms of variable set out, those types of things, variable cart sizes. One of the things that we've talked about before here is that the uniformity of our system provides a very efficient way to provide an overall value for all of the people who receive the service. We have in the past and brought to council before ideas around variable cart set outs and those types of things. Ultimately, it's always landed on the, like I said, the uniformity of the system that we have is the most efficient way for us to deliver the service." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4814.505, "end": 4829.885, "text": "Yeah, it's not very efficient for somebody who's a single person living in a house or or an an elderly couple who are have limited financial means to actually pay for their for their services and their taxes and they go, We we I put out my garbage like once a month." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4830.285, "end": 4848.645, "text": "And yet I still pay the same fee. Or I never use my green card and yet I still pay the same fee. Uh and my blue cart, because I don't buy a ton of stuff, I I can go a whole month without putting on my blue cart, but yet I get charged for every single pickup and blue card is is every week. Green card is every ever every week during no during the summer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4848.825, "end": 4859.445, "text": "Um and you know, I don't know. For me this is very challenging to try and go from the current model to a uniform model, because to me, if anything, I think we should go and be going the other way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4859.945, "end": 4866.745, "text": "Similar to what we're doing with with transit, which is a more mill rate support and less user fee support." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4867.265, "end": 4868.945, "text": "So for me, this is a no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4869.345, "end": 4870.405, "text": "And that's why." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4870.485, "end": 4885.565, "text": "Understood. I think the thing I would say to that is that we're not proposing to change the service. Everyone receives the same option of service. And so by combining the three of them together, it really is just about better representing how the service is delivered to each single family household." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4885.565, "end": 4907.225, "text": "No, I understand why administratively it's it's uh more efficient and it makes more sense for the corporation, but but I have to think about the Calgarians and how this is going to impact them. And and there's different classes of of people and that use the service in in different ways. And like I said, water, wastewater is a prime example where we charge based on usage." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4908.685, "end": 4909.065, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4909.605, "end": 4923.425, "text": "So that is a different model, like I said, in terms of variable set out and other things that we've explored in the past. And it it it is a different way that you can assess that. And we've all, like I said, always landed on that uniformity as being the most efficient." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4923.745, "end": 4925.685, "text": "until we can go to a um a more" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4926.285, "end": 4926.865, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4927.845, "end": 4931.905, "text": "reasonable fee uh based on level of service," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4932.165, "end": 4944.925, "text": "um I'd much rather see us continue to utilize a mill rate supported uh service, at least a certain percentage of it, even if if some of the uh ratepayers uh don't directly benefit from the service." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4945.385, "end": 4946.685, "text": "That's just me though, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4947.025, "end": 4947.945, "text": "I'm gonna vote against this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 4949.885, "end": 4951.605, "text": "All right, uh Councilor Panasopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 4952.025, "end": 4982.185, "text": "Thanks so much. Maybe if you could just speak to the journey to being a self-sufficient, self-supported business unit. I think there's reference a few years ago, council direction. And then obviously with the fees and things and there's been reductions. Like it seems like a a very positive journey. Like obviously there were savings and interactions, and I think it's the model we actually want to replicate. So maybe if you speak to that, why that makes a lot of sense and uh how that journey comes to today, not so much on the consolidation, but this whole that self supported sounds pretty, pretty intriguing. Love your thoughts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4982.285, "end": 5056.405, "text": "Yeah, absolutely. So, and and I'll ask my colleague Leonta to jump up here as well, just in case I need anything added in. But really, that direction started a couple of decades ago for a number of reasons from a perspective of the service sustainability. So with waste and recycling being really an essential service that we provide, making sure that we have the that the correct funding is in place to be able to ensure that consistent delivery is there is really important. The self-supported model allows us to assess directly on the cost of service to deliver the service. And so what ratepayers are seeing is exactly what it costs to provide the service. And so it provides us with a way to clearly show what those costs are, to clearly allocate them and really precisely identify what we need in terms of the funding to deliver the service. Those the carts as they are then also allows us to distinguish that service that we provide as part of the collection at the single family home. And then we we tie that in with all of the activity that goes on at the waste management facilities to assess the cost of delivering that service, and those fees are allocated to the people who are using that service in that way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5057.185, "end": 5067.785, "text": "I just pulled up my N Max bill and it was nineteen dollars and eighty six cents and I feel like it was a lot higher a few years ago. Can you talk about that journey? How the collective and that's all three. What was it five years ago, ten years ago as you started your journey?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5067.885, "end": 5082.565, "text": "Yeah, so uh over time, so it started with the blue cart fee. Yeah. Uh and then uh the black cart was partially added in, and then since then we've been working to um relinquish the tax support on the the garbage collection that was present before the cart service started." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5082.565, "end": 5082.885, "text": "Got it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5083.385, "end": 5113.405, "text": "And then when the green cart service came in, that also came in as a cart fee, was never on the mill rate at all. The costs have increased with the cost of service over time. Last year, in April of 2025, extended producer responsibility came into effect. What extended producer responsibility did was it provided a funding mechanism where the producers are now responsible for the processing and collection of recyclable material." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5113.685, "end": 5139.045, "text": "So through that process, we were able as a municipality to opt into that service, and we negotiated with those producer responsibility organizations to provide the funding for us to continue that collection. And so that's where we saw a big reduction in our cost. And April 1st it dropped by $7.17 last year as a result of extended producer responsibility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5139.045, "end": 5147.805, "text": "Maybe just expand on that. I I I Googled it and I looked at it the extent of producer responsibility. It's a it's a provincial. Maybe just talk about its newish. April, April this year, last year?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5147.805, "end": 5151.465, "text": "April of twenty twenty five is when it came into effect for single family households." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5151.465, "end": 5168.505, "text": "Yeah, maybe just a quick i uh it it does the province have long-term funding for it or how how does that work? Can producers opt out? Like the fear is you know, it goes down seven then up ten because something happens. Maybe just just what guidance we have with respect to that, because it was pretty material. 32 million on 43, that's 75%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5168.505, "end": 5181.745, "text": "Yeah, it's a s it's a significant savings overall for the ratepayer. So it the the principle behind extended producer responsibility is that it transfers the uh cost and um management overall of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5182.525, "end": 5215.485, "text": "Processing and recycling of materials that producers produce from the ratepayers or from you know Albertans or in the case of the provincial regulations to the producers who actually produce the material. So the province set about legislation for extended producer responsibility, which then transferred that responsibility to producers. Alberta was one of the last provinces in the country to pick up on extended producer responsibility. And so the system is quite mature in some places, maturing in others, and is really an uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5216.325, "end": 5262.605, "text": "Seen across Canada at this point in time. So that allows the producers on a large scale to coordinate and set about through organizations that they've set up to sort of manage the material. So they now have contracts with people like us with materials recovery facilities like the facility that's just outside of town here to now manage that system and that oversight in a different way. And it the principle behind it is that the producers will then make different choices in their material that they're using in their manufacturing processes. They'll choose materials that maybe there's less packaging, or maybe it's materials that are easier to recycle at the end of the day. So that we see less waste coming out of that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5263.145, "end": 5263.945, "text": "that production." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5263.945, "end": 5278.365, "text": "But I love there was I'm guilty as charged, so there was like chip wrappers or something like that. There's an expansion. I may have put those into the blue pins as I read it. I'm like, whoops, I'm not supposed to. Um back to sorry, just that's on the record now. Um that's right, three and one get called. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5278.565, "end": 5282.625, "text": "the the carts at single family homes. So generally these are at single family homes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5282.625, "end": 5283.485, "text": "They're all at single factory." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5283.485, "end": 5291.205, "text": "So generally, you know, the average property tax per household is 3,000 give or take, but the average cost for a single family home is probably" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5291.685, "end": 5312.385, "text": "five, six thousand. And that's not area of expertise, but obviously it's substantially higher. The average home is worth six, seven hundred thousand versus there. So I think back to Councilor Chabot's point about it feels like ten percent. It's probably closer to that four percent, wouldn't it? So if you're doing two hundred and forty dollars over the property tax on an average single family home, it's around that four or five percent. Is that is that a fair in your judgment? So it's not a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5312.845, "end": 5321.965, "text": "This is a pretty efficiently run program relative to property tax. Perfect. Great. With that, full cost question. We spent a lot of time talking about our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5323.065, "end": 5337.525, "text": "assets and not having full cycle. You know, uh long term dump replacement, um uh trucks, etc. Talk about the $19.86. Is that truly operating? Have we set aside maintenance capital? Are we thinking about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5337.985, "end": 5338.605, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5339.865, "end": 5343.625, "text": "the yeah, the dumps and all the facilities and the recycle, you know, the recycling." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5344.325, "end": 5353.825, "text": "All that maybe just talk through do we have a proper full cost model that we feel comfortable with, or should we be adding in a couple bucks so we're not back to council in five years saying, whoops, we're short some cash." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5353.825, "end": 5356.425, "text": "Yeah. Uh thanks for the question. The the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5357.265, "end": 5394.825, "text": "The rates that you see for waste and recycling incorporate both operating and capital costs to deliver the service. So it is the full cost of everything that we do. That is part of the cost of service evaluation that we will do for every, you know, every budget cycle is to look at those to see are we going to meet the short and long-term needs of not only the service delivery, but also that longer term management of the facilities, such as the landfills and other infrastructure that we have, the cost of fleet, the cost of facilities, all of those things get incorporated into that rate calculation that we then bring forward. So it is a holistic view of the short and long term of what we need." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5395.425, "end": 5409.425, "text": "No, that's important. I know as we look to growth applications, you know, there's some missing elements, and your colleagues are gonna try to bring that up. And we just want to, that's good that it's captured because we don't want to get caught ten years later and go, whoops, we need a brand new landfill. And uh we haven't sort of contemplated uh contemplated that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5409.485, "end": 5419.965, "text": "It it is it is part we're we're not immune to that same issue, of course, right? So it's the same type of process in that way to make sure that our assets are well maintained and that we have what we need." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5420.285, "end": 5434.545, "text": "And maybe finally the 3.5 million of tax support being transferred back. Just walk through that. Is that essentially savings? Is that saying, hey, our budget was 130 million, we only spent 120 or whatever, 27? What's that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5434.605, "end": 5467.745, "text": "So the the 3.5 million that is referred to there is costs that we currently carry in our budget, but are really borne by other areas of the organization. So that may be you know waste collection management at facilities, for example, where it's just sitting with us right now or with waste and recycling right now, and we would transfer that over. So that's a net neutral on the tax piece. The remaining piece, the 5.3. It's a little confusing because we got 3.5 and 5.3. But the 5.3 is the piece that we would over the next four years look to fully relinquish in one way or another." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5467.765, "end": 5472.025, "text": "And I see through cost mitigations, et cetera. So you're looking at efficiencies and things. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5472.245, "end": 5472.665, "text": "Exactly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5472.665, "end": 5492.085, "text": "you know, maybe I'll close. We we uh prior council meeting, we talked engaging external consultants, looking at you know operations and savings. And I think I hope this becomes a template that there was a journey, you had a process, things happen over time, and the fact that we're seeing reductions and transfer back to colleagues. I tip my hat to you and uh look forward to seeing what you can do in the future. Thanks so much. Thank you, Mr. Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 5493.125, "end": 5494.825, "text": "Thank you. Over to Councilor Wines, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5495.805, "end": 5497.305, "text": "Thanks. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5497.645, "end": 5499.405, "text": "why do you only do single family?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5499.825, "end": 5502.985, "text": "Why don't you do the apartments or at least port portions of it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5503.105, "end": 5510.665, "text": "Yes, great question and a historical one. Um so historically we have not provided that service to multifamily um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5511.565, "end": 5516.365, "text": "ever. And maybe I'll just ask Leanne to speak to that a little bit. Or would you prefer?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5516.465, "end": 5517.805, "text": "Yep, nope, you go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5517.825, "end": 5553.505, "text": "Okay, so we've just never been part of that sort of market. It's always been done by commercial operations. So commercial companies have always provided that service. And then as part of the evolution, when we brought in the blue cart, we were actually excluded from that market as part of council direction at that time because at the time there were a lot of blue box type of businesses that were providing that service, and so as part of that direction, in order to give them an opportunity in the market, the city of Calgary did not provide any of that service for multifamily for a number of years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5553.585, "end": 5557.345, "text": "Can you provide me uh later with offline with the counsel direction that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5557.345, "end": 5557.525, "text": "For sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5557.525, "end": 5558.565, "text": "kept you out of that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5558.565, "end": 5558.705, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5558.705, "end": 5564.145, "text": "Um because if especially with blue cart, like EPR is supposed to cover it. So how are we actually" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5564.185, "end": 5564.565, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5565.405, "end": 5573.665, "text": "making sure we're not costing taxpayers when a program was created specifically to reduce the cost on the consumer and pay the offender for creating?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5573.825, "end": 5621.565, "text": "So great question on the multifamily with extended producer responsibility. In Calgary, it is a challenge for them and for that EPR program overall because there is no municipal oversight on multifamily. So the way that they're going about it is that each individual, either property manager or property, is opting into EPR on their own, and they will be paid for their waste fees that they incur right now through their own billing. So each one of those properties has a provider, like a waste management company that picks it up. They will be provided service through extended producer responsibility, and that program will cover the costs for them. And it will basically be offset off of their billing in a similar way to the way that the costs were offset off of our blue cart rates." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5622.025, "end": 5627.985, "text": "But even with that program I'm hearing that different providers are having different experiences with," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5628.805, "end": 5631.705, "text": "I don't know, availability to market, if you want to call those" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5632.005, "end": 5638.865, "text": "those built forms, because there's advocacy and frustration from those that are trying to compete in that market because of EPR." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5639.565, "end": 5670.765, "text": "So that again, that's that the piece around it being now provincially regulated and being operated by the producer responsibility organizations. I believe what you're speaking to is concern from some of the smaller market in terms of their ability to participate in that program. I know that we have conveyed the concerns that we've heard through various offices to that area and they are aware of it and working through it, but that's not overseen by the city or the municipality, that's overseen by the provincial authority on that piece of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5671.465, "end": 5677.725, "text": "Yeah, and that's the challenge. And yet at the end of the day, policy decisions are leading to more cost for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5678.385, "end": 5680.085, "text": "the consumer or ca or the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5680.725, "end": 5683.305, "text": "produ the user of garbage or a need for garbage." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5683.625, "end": 5695.865, "text": "Hopefully, I mean the intent, just like we saw with the rate reductions on single family, that is the intent with this, where the producers will bear the cost of the recycling at multifamily as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5696.065, "end": 5701.825, "text": "Okay, so then when we wrap up into what you've proposed here, how will council keep" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5702.485, "end": 5710.605, "text": "a clear line of sight on if EPR is actually covering the cost or just being blended in because now you have it all lumped together?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5710.725, "end": 5738.585, "text": "We're uh as part of the the plans moving forward in terms of how we would share that information, we'll break that down so that it's obvious where the the revenue is coming from in terms of the overall costs. So the the contract and the work that we do with the producer responsibility organizations will continue to cover the cost of the collection that we provide through EPR. And that will just become one of or well, it is already one of the funding sources that we use in the overall conversation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5738.785, "end": 5742.445, "text": "Okay, and so this if we approve this, we're spending $400,000 to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5743.065, "end": 5744.225, "text": "put it all together, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5745.445, "end": 5747.885, "text": "Uh just as a one-time administrative cost." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5747.885, "end": 5751.265, "text": "And then how much am I actually getting out of savings? Because then I start reading," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5751.565, "end": 5762.225, "text": "you're gonna, I think, hand off some of the taxpayer supported. So then does that just mean I'm kicking it down to increasing fees on Calgarians? What's the full ripple effect of what's actually happening?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5762.225, "end": 5769.585, "text": "The 400 is just an estimated cost of what it would cost. We're not proposing to increase fees in any way to cover that. We will manage that through our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5769.965, "end": 5771.225, "text": "operating budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5772.325, "end": 5775.345, "text": "Okay, and then that will come through as a tax increase if you need more money?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5775.545, "end": 5775.745, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5776.305, "end": 5776.605, "text": "No?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5776.725, "end": 5779.825, "text": "No. We'll we'll we'll absorb it in our operating budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5780.825, "end": 5781.145, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5781.945, "end": 5783.405, "text": "That's my questions for today. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5783.545, "end": 5783.845, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 5786.785, "end": 5788.805, "text": "Thank you. Over to Councilor Johnson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 5790.985, "end": 5792.525, "text": "My question was answered. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5794.165, "end": 5794.785, "text": "Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5796.925, "end": 5818.285, "text": "Thank you, Borship. Um appreciate the early lunch and learn. That was that was great. I do want to take us back to specifically like what's here before us right now, which is consolidating them all together into one. You're not asking for any money or anything along those lines. This is just about one line item on my Nmax bill instead of three, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5818.285, "end": 5819.325, "text": "That's correct. Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5819.585, "end": 5822.085, "text": "Can you maybe just give me a bit of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5822.645, "end": 5827.565, "text": "I didn't really get it through the presentation or even the questions for that matter, around" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5828.645, "end": 5837.905, "text": "what I'm trying to weigh here, what I'm trying to balance here is the savings, the benefit to waste recycling services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5838.245, "end": 5856.225, "text": "Versus the transparency that we sort of lose to the to the uh to the the fee payer. I wonder if you can maybe just speak to that a little bit to me so I can get my head around that, the balance between those two things and why having it appear as just one line line item is is better for Calgarians or or or better for you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5856.285, "end": 5924.145, "text": "So in terms of the efficiency, what we currently do is we have costs that are shared across all three services. And that's really illustrated in the remnant $2 and change fee that we see on the blue cart. These are costs that we basically apportion out a third, a third, a third on our three cart services, but that apply equally to all three. And so if we're not having to do that piece of it, it just saves some efficiency in terms of how we do that work on the back end. And in terms of how we would share that information, it allows us to break it out in a way that shows this is the collections activities, this is the processing, and that would include landfilling and composting, for example. And then these are the program education and other pieces. So we can break those costs out and share them in a way that provides the same or better transparency as we have today in terms of how those cart fees are allocated and really better represents how we operate. You know, an example is we've got a shortage on one type of service on one day. We can shift drivers and other things around to make sure that we can cover that off. And obviously, that doesn't get captured in the way that we do it with three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5924.565, "end": 5934.925, "text": "Streams, we would never say you're a driver here, and so you can't move over to this service, and so it just provides a better oversight of the efficiency that we use to deliver the service." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5934.965, "end": 5939.625, "text": "No, that's fair. I I appreciate that. And uh then just in terms of the update to the waste by law." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5940.265, "end": 5950.865, "text": "I assume you're still going to provide us the breakdown by service and schedule C tables, what is it, four, five, six, uh, where we actually break it down by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5951.725, "end": 5955.485, "text": "uh black cart, blue cart, green cart in the waste by law?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5955.805, "end": 5968.525, "text": "So that's a good question. Overall, in the waste bylaw, we would show it as one, but there is a need to have some separation because there are people who have two carts of a certain kind, so we would make sure that we have that breakdown clear as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5968.645, "end": 5987.465, "text": "Yeah, this kind of goes back to Counselor Wynnes' question. Like so long as we're still getting the transparency in terms of, and I and I think that honestly, the the Schedule C in the waste by law is the best way to provide that for us when we're when we update those fees annually to be able to see that break. If you can give us that breakdown there, is that fair or is there a better way to do that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 5987.625, "end": 5995.665, "text": "I think that's a fair thing for us to take back as feedback to make sure that we're incorporating sort of what that what that would look like and the best way to show that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5995.665, "end": 6002.125, "text": "My preference would definitely be it not just be like a report to council, but that it actually be included in some sort of statutory whatever." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6002.125, "end": 6003.025, "text": "Understood. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 6003.025, "end": 6004.425, "text": "Okay. Thank you. I appreciate your answers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 6005.085, "end": 6006.665, "text": "Thank you, uh Deputy Mayor, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6008.185, "end": 6008.585, "text": "Hi there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6009.785, "end": 6018.865, "text": "I think that the problem I have with this is kind of uh with the transparency angle. I think if we really want to make" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6019.125, "end": 6023.025, "text": "the transparency look visible to the end user," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6023.405, "end": 6032.065, "text": "uh uh making the three costs down to one light item. Can you explain how you think that accomplishes that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6032.745, "end": 6042.885, "text": "Because I I don't. I think that it actually makes things less transparent because people now they don't really know what they're paying anymore. At least right now they can they can kind of see it. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6043.365, "end": 6047.565, "text": "from that angle, transparency, how do you feel this is making things more transparent?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6047.565, "end": 6099.705, "text": "Yeah, I think I think the the main piece here is just that the services are offered and done as one integrated service. And so you're right, it won't show on the bill, but what we can do is show that breakdown in a different way in our web material, for example, how we share in our inserts to explain how the services are broken down and better show this isn't just a third of a cost, right? It's the overall cost to deliver the program. So that's really the biggest piece of it is that we'll continue to break down as we share information what it costs to deliver. You know, we will still know what the compost facility costs us versus what the landfilling costs are. We can still share that, but it better illustrates how those other pieces that are integrated across all three services work together. So the facility costs and the program charges and education, those types of things." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6101.045, "end": 6103.505, "text": "It's it's i you know I mean you can y" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6103.505, "end": 6111.885, "text": "A bit of a disconnect, though, like I understand what you're saying and and it it it's not like it doesn't make sense when you technically you know put it together, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6112.365, "end": 6118.125, "text": "I don't think that that's how the the end user is gonna see this. And I I think that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6118.485, "end": 6136.325, "text": "uh this is probably gonna frustrate people. Um they feel, you know, already if they say if they have distrust in, you know, the water, our water system and and how how rates are, you know, uh uh, you know, paid and and people feel already that maybe they're not getting the best value for something." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6136.705, "end": 6139.985, "text": "Uh lump lumping all this together just seems like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6140.905, "end": 6143.925, "text": "maybe the city, uh you know, they're maybe trying to hide something." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6143.925, "end": 6144.245, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6144.525, "end": 6159.445, "text": "And and I'm not accusing you of that, but that is how some people see um the the these kind of changes. And I you know that's why I kind of asked the question like how what's the argument? Like how how when I'm asked" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6160.385, "end": 6163.685, "text": "You know, why are we not making things more transparent?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6164.425, "end": 6167.865, "text": "What what's your argument to that when we do policy changes like this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6167.865, "end": 6205.325, "text": "I guess my perspective on this is that by showing it as three different streams in the way that we are right now, it feels more artificial or seems more artificial to me because we're just breaking things out into three. By showing it as an overall, that then allows us to really better articulate what those shared cost costs are across all three services in a way that's more clear. Because right now it it's it's just broken into three. You know, it's it's not a super I like clear and um articulate way for us to explain it. I just that's that would be my response to that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6205.485, "end": 6205.905, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6205.905, "end": 6206.265, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6206.545, "end": 6227.865, "text": "Last question uh given the increased, you know, the so the budget impact, uh, the increased efficiency, at what point does the 400k payback be realized? Like, like, you know, because it apparently this cost, you know, is going to be recouped. How how long does that take and at what point are we realizing that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6228.305, "end": 6243.145, "text": "So that would be in it, you know, it's something that we could track in terms of time saved and and those types of metrics. Uh we haven't done, excuse me, the an exact calculation to say it would take exactly this long, but that's something we can certainly take back and and consider." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6243.545, "end": 6258.845, "text": "Sorry. Leanne Bell Waste and Recycling Services. Just for some clarity, the 400,000 is already included in our approved budget. It's something that we accounted for as part of this cycle. So it's not asking for new new budget for this, just for clarity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 6258.845, "end": 6263.445, "text": "No, I know, but do we know, um, for example, the the the payback time on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6266.525, "end": 6270.805, "text": "Yeah, I think I would just echo what Julie Rodke had to share that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6271.065, "end": 6271.645, "text": "we're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6272.345, "end": 6279.125, "text": "our efficiencies are more about sort of staff time and that kind of thing. So we could could look at a calculation, but it would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6279.285, "end": 6283.885, "text": "a little bit difficult and administratively burdensome to to work that out likely." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 6285.005, "end": 6286.085, "text": "That's all questions. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 6286.945, "end": 6287.845, "text": "Thank you. Uh I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 6288.665, "end": 6291.325, "text": "gonna go to Councilor Yule back then to Councilor Wynus." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6293.205, "end": 6296.285, "text": "Um so just clarifying," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6296.805, "end": 6303.965, "text": "nobody like the the the program itself is the three bins, nobody can opt out of any of those bins. That is the program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6304.325, "end": 6304.905, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6305.165, "end": 6324.665, "text": "So this is basically just saying this is a a three cart bin program, this is what it costs. Now that program, just the three bins, will cost the same for every single single house across the city. So it should be the same on everybody's bill. Now you said that some families can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6325.485, "end": 6334.125, "text": "Request an additional black bin. So how will that look on the bill? Will that be your regular program plus an additional black bill?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6334.305, "end": 6336.905, "text": "That's how it looks today and that's how it would continue to look." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6337.065, "end": 6337.265, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6337.265, "end": 6337.485, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6337.905, "end": 6338.565, "text": "That's it. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 6339.225, "end": 6340.065, "text": "Councilor Wynnes, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6341.185, "end": 6348.105, "text": "Thanks. Um so when you mentioned the like using the website to communicate so you'd lump it and send everyone to comms." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6348.245, "end": 6352.265, "text": "I am just anticipating the communication my office would have to have with you guys. Sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6352.505, "end": 6358.765, "text": "Um because citizens are there's so much information on our website, it's already very murky and muddy for citizens to entangle." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6359.385, "end": 6365.305, "text": "And I feel like that plan you've just proposed to council is leading us to have more frustration from Calgarians" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6365.625, "end": 6366.445, "text": "when if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6366.705, "end": 6368.305, "text": "you have to increase the fee" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6368.865, "end": 6373.945, "text": "and it's lumped together, Calgarians will want to know is it the black, is it the blue, or is it the green that's causing this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6374.345, "end": 6380.245, "text": "And yet now when you have the three display, when you have to increase or adjust one of the carts, it's clearly displayable," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6380.825, "end": 6381.425, "text": "which" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6381.625, "end": 6383.825, "text": "saves the customer from having to go then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6384.005, "end": 6386.645, "text": "dig through our website, get more frustrated at the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6386.945, "end": 6389.985, "text": "The reputational risk, that's one of the big things we always have to manage," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6390.625, "end": 6391.185, "text": "is kind of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6391.525, "end": 6396.805, "text": "one of the more challenging things, which then leads you to have to spend more money on a comms plan and execute the comms." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6397.305, "end": 6399.065, "text": "And so I'm really challenged by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6399.725, "end": 6408.845, "text": "we are trying to make it simpler and quicker and more efficient for Calgarians to understand where their money goes when they go and pay at the city, whether it be taxes, we're trying to break" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6409.545, "end": 6411.265, "text": "more information on our tax bill out," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6411.505, "end": 6413.465, "text": "whether it be the province, the city," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6413.725, "end": 6414.005, "text": "or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6415.185, "end": 6419.345, "text": "other places will do your policing and your fire department breakdown on your tax bill." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6419.885, "end": 6420.325, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6421.145, "end": 6421.925, "text": "and so I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6422.285, "end": 6425.905, "text": "I I I'm very concerned. Yes, you have the 400 in your budget, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6426.205, "end": 6428.225, "text": "I don't think it's necessarily the best use of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6428.585, "end": 6430.645, "text": "cap left money in the city right now," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6431.005, "end": 6433.165, "text": "uh, given council has to prioritize" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6433.545, "end": 6436.145, "text": "um and we you could use it to improve" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6436.305, "end": 6438.525, "text": "something else rather than just lumping" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6438.805, "end": 6439.585, "text": "a fee together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6440.045, "end": 6440.945, "text": "So uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6441.745, "end": 6447.245, "text": "yeah, considering this has a ramification for further spending because of the complication, I can't support it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6447.765, "end": 6448.885, "text": "Can I respond to that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6449.145, "end": 6465.025, "text": "So I would say website is just one example, but as part of this, of course, we would send out we have inserts that go in the bills as well as the electronic piece of it. So I understand what you're saying. There are, I'm just, uh the point is, um, or the response I would have is just that it's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6465.745, "end": 6477.825, "text": "there are other mechanisms for that. And then the other piece is the savings of not having to do that manual separation on an ongoing basis. That will save us on the efficiency side in terms of people's time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6477.865, "end": 6488.405, "text": "But if you have if you're putting it together to only have to create and spend more money on more paper to more inserts to bring clarity to something that is already clear right now," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6488.905, "end": 6489.845, "text": "do you see how" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6490.285, "end": 6492.065, "text": "you're describing a problem" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6492.565, "end": 6497.125, "text": "that or you're trying to solve something with more problems and more spending and more waste generation" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6497.405, "end": 6502.565, "text": "than just having the N Max bill have three separate breakdowns, which are predominantly digital billing anyway?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6503.225, "end": 6537.045, "text": "I I think that there's there's pros and cons as we've said, right? So it was weighing it off and feeling that or the the assessment that we did was just that it it made more sense to put it together. It does make more sense, which is why the recommendation is this way. So yes, there would be an education component for people to say going forward this is what it will look like. And we would do that communication of what any changes were to rates anyway. And so for us it's a net, that's not a net additional expenditure in terms of education and information that we would provide to ratepayers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6537.045, "end": 6545.745, "text": "And you just triggered one more question, even though it's almost done. Uh, is why didn't we calculate the savings out of this decision change? Like it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6546.145, "end": 6551.525, "text": "if we're gonna make a decision, why didn't we do the fact check before we pitched it to council?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6551.525, "end": 6568.605, "text": "I think it's more of a matter of um it would be more of a thumbnail, here's maybe what it might be. Our preference or our thought was we would be able to track it going forward to say and then provide you and incorporate that into future rate calculations to say this is how much it's saved over time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6568.945, "end": 6580.105, "text": "Yeah, and I think council really want to see the framework before we approve something. And that's the weakness is that we're approving something, trusting, and then getting the framework of what you're gonna be disclosing to us after. I would have preferred it before." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6580.305, "end": 6581.885, "text": "It I I mean uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6583.425, "end": 6593.205, "text": "e either way, like I said, we're not proposing that this is going to change the cost. We were identifying that in the future we would anticipate that there will be savings from an administrative perspective." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6593.545, "end": 6598.285, "text": "But but it's a it's a hypothesis at this point without any anal like analysis done." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6598.405, "end": 6606.445, "text": "We haven't done any analysis because we've never operated in that system. So um we would w we came forward with this is what we would be able to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6607.125, "end": 6613.005, "text": "calculate in the future for those potential future savings. So you're right, it's it's a hypothesis at this point in time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6613.065, "end": 6618.505, "text": "Yeah, next time like we're talking as if they've actually done some kind of analysis and they haven't. So council," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6619.565, "end": 6621.325, "text": "I don't know, you go. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 6624.105, "end": 6626.165, "text": "Alright, uh Councilor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6630.205, "end": 6632.565, "text": "Thank you. So we're gonna transition some of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6632.905, "end": 6633.545, "text": "costs" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6633.965, "end": 6638.365, "text": "from the mill rate to a user fee. Have we quantified what that number is?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6639.065, "end": 6666.505, "text": "So the total amount that would be remaining is 5.3 million that would need to be transferred in one way or another or another. There are a few different mechanisms that that could happen. It could be fees at the site, it could be additional revenue from changes to EPR regulation, for example, there are and then efficiencies that we might be able to gain through that analysis. But that's why we've proposed to do it over four years so that it's a thoughtful and thorough exercise. As we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6666.505, "end": 6669.225, "text": "Only gonna transition a quarter of the cost per year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6670.665, "end": 6678.145, "text": "potentially or potentially a little bit more one year and a little bit less the next, but the goal would be over the five year or four years to get to that 5.3." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6678.905, "end": 6679.865, "text": "So the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6680.665, "end": 6683.005, "text": "uh what do you call it, the tariffs or or uh what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6683.685, "end": 6684.125, "text": "the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6684.765, "end": 6686.445, "text": "at the way scales, the way in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6686.445, "end": 6690.905, "text": "Oh, yeah, yeah, could be in in landfill fees and those types of things as well. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6690.965, "end": 6696.805, "text": "I thought there was a specific name for that. I'm trying to remember what it's called. I guess it's just waste disposal fees land fifty." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6696.805, "end": 6699.205, "text": "Landfeld landfill tipping fee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6699.365, "end": 6699.965, "text": "Tipping fee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6700.565, "end": 6700.725, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6700.725, "end": 6719.605, "text": "That's the word I was looking for. Thank you. So a question for you, because I'm not sure that I heard the answer and what you were talking about. The uh the green cart program was uh was only viable because of the amount of additional waste that was being provided through waste, uh the the recycling, uh sorry, the water re" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6720.165, "end": 6725.405, "text": "waste and uh sorry, the water recyc uh recycling facility, the compost" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6725.405, "end": 6725.925, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6725.925, "end": 6726.725, "text": "supplement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6726.885, "end": 6735.185, "text": "But the biosolids are supplementing that. Is there some sort of a cost recovery mechanism between the two units and is that factored into the 90 million?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6735.505, "end": 6744.145, "text": "Yes, so that is part of our overall cost of service calculation that that transfer of uh cost from wastewater for the processing of bio soil." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6744.145, "end": 6744.885, "text": "Pay you?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6745.425, "end": 6746.065, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6746.405, "end": 6746.805, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6746.985, "end": 6750.625, "text": "Okay. And so do we know how much is built into that fee?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6751.705, "end": 6752.925, "text": "On the wastewater side?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6752.925, "end": 6753.125, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6753.125, "end": 6755.145, "text": "I don't I don't have that answer. No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6755.405, "end": 6757.745, "text": "So essentially that would be an additional cost, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6758.525, "end": 6760.365, "text": "Um again that that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6760.365, "end": 6761.685, "text": "From the taxpayer's perspective." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6761.865, "end": 6769.365, "text": "uh not an additional cost. It's just already in the fees that are incorporated as part of wastewater. But I can't speak to how" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6769.365, "end": 6779.605, "text": "As a fee and a cost recovery, um, they see it as a fee, you see it as a cost recovery. Um so there the the net resultant is there's a fee associated with it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6780.445, "end": 6783.965, "text": "I just I don't I can't speak to how wastewater does that piece of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6784.065, "end": 6788.445, "text": "I'm just like curious to see how much gets transferred from from water, wastewater," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6788.965, "end": 6789.525, "text": "to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6789.965, "end": 6790.845, "text": "to um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6791.305, "end": 6794.545, "text": "uh to your department specifically on that front." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 6794.825, "end": 6813.985, "text": "We could get that number to you. Certainly if there is a fee paid to waste and recycling to take care of those biosolids, that would be included in the cost of service of wastewater. And we'll be happy to get you the details on that on how much that is. But that would be part of the wastewater uh fee that's that Calgaryans pay for their wastewater processing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6814.045, "end": 6840.705, "text": "Yeah, because we do sell some to Calgary, I get that, but there's a limit to how much we can sell there and and the additional biosolids end up going to the green cart program, towards the green cart recycling program. And I guess the question is how much is that being charged and how much is their internal transfer going to this department to keep the fees low? But it the net result to Calgarians is an extra fee beyond the waste and recycling fee or the green cart, blue cart." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6841.045, "end": 6842.745, "text": "uh uh black card collection." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6843.025, "end": 6847.965, "text": "That's independent from the user fee perspective, but they also pay a wastewater fee," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6848.285, "end": 6849.705, "text": "which is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6850.085, "end": 6855.805, "text": "it goes to that department, which keeps that department at 90 million. But there's an additional fee there" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6856.025, "end": 6858.265, "text": "in uh the wastewater uh fee" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 6858.265, "end": 6867.065, "text": "So it would be the disposal fee for those biosolids, and like you say, it could be to the landfill. It also could be the the willow farm on all the places and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6867.065, "end": 6867.245, "text": "that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 6867.245, "end": 6869.485, "text": "Calgary is an another way, and they would pay for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6869.485, "end": 6875.245, "text": "cost recovery for moist recycling. My only question is how much gets transferred from that department to that department?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 6875.245, "end": 6876.645, "text": "Yeah, certainly we can get you that number." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6876.705, "end": 6878.145, "text": "Thanks. That's all the questions I had." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 6878.945, "end": 6880.425, "text": "Alright, uh who wants to move the item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 6883.185, "end": 6886.965, "text": "Counselor Yule has put it on the table. Any opening debate, Councilor Yule?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6888.365, "end": 6917.005, "text": "No, I think it's I I I think we should uh support this. Um it it is a service that we offer um and it's three bins. Um if we want to change the service in the future, whether we want to go by um per per usage or if we want to go by um different sized bins, that's that's a maybe a future decision. Uh at the moment we're saving money by um um just just consolidating a line item. So uh please support this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6918.425, "end": 6919.565, "text": "All right, Council Shabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6921.985, "end": 6951.225, "text": "Yeah, as I said, I'm not going to support the change in the fee structure. It's working. There's no need to change anything today. This consolidation is not going to save a ton of money. So until such time as we can look at a different mechanism of how we charge residents and what we charge to whom. Because I can tell you that in my neighborhood, there are there are black bins that are overflowing every week, and and those folks are not using the tagabag system." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6951.505, "end": 6958.685, "text": "And yet we have other customers who only use their blackburn once a month. And yet everybody pays the same amount." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6959.025, "end": 6961.625, "text": "Until such time as we can get to at least a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6962.125, "end": 6973.585, "text": "some sort of a mechanism where whereby you pay for service, fee for service. I can't support changing anything that's going to reduce the amount that's paid for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6973.925, "end": 6984.565, "text": "Through the mill rate, which this as we heard is an essential service. It's like fire protection, police protection. It's not something you can opt in, but the ability to pay is tied to the value of your home," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6984.805, "end": 7005.105, "text": "which is what the mill rate is all about. This is this is why I would rather move towards a greater percentage going towards the mill rate than as a user fee because it's not equally distributed, it's not equally paid for, nor is fire protection and police protection. And yet we accept the fact that it's based on the ability to pay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7005.405, "end": 7012.605, "text": "This comes down to that for me, and that's why I can't support this transition. I'd rather see more go on to the mill rate, not less." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7014.405, "end": 7015.765, "text": "Thanks, uh Councilor Kellogg, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7017.885, "end": 7028.725, "text": "Thank you, Borship. I d I'd be very happy to entertain any of what uh Counselor Chabot's discussing. It's not what's in front of us right now. This is about do we do this as" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7029.085, "end": 7100.025, "text": "One fee or multiple fees. I admit coming into this, I was a little bit suspect from the transparency side of things that like having each one of the three broken down, I believed, actually provided more transparency. But seeing now that uh, you know, especially with like that ERP from 2025, which dropped the price of recycling by like 80%, the price that we are charging on our Nmax bill is already completely disassociated with the cost of the service. So as a result, the like the two numbers are like it's guesstimates effectively between uh uh breaking it down now between the three. In in my mind, this is a remnant. Uh the three separate charges is a remnant of uh when we brought on blue cart, or when we brought on black cart, when we brought on blue cart, when we brought on green cart, we kind of did them incrementally, and I can see the the the fingerprints of of of administration trying to be transparent with an old council. Um but those days are behind us, they they just don't exist anymore. So from that point of view, it's it it really is, as counselor Yule said in his open, it's it's it's basically one service now. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7100.445, "end": 7106.025, "text": "Despite the fact that I I I had some hesitation coming in, uh I'm totally comfortable uh supporting this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7107.725, "end": 7110.825, "text": "Thank you, uh Deputy Mayor. Or no. Oh, you're not in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7111.685, "end": 7112.905, "text": "Councilor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7113.805, "end": 7114.365, "text": "Wrong mic." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 7114.465, "end": 7161.365, "text": "Good. Um yeah, I think there's been some interesting discussions today. I I think putting waste onto the mill rate is a great idea. We should get people to pay based on uh their means to pay. Absolutely, we should be doing that. Uh I think that we should be looking at multifamily. I think I would love to be exploring these kinds of things. So please to the waste folks that are tuned in. Um at the same time, I also think I hear the concerns around transparency, but I also think we just need to change our mindset around waste. What is waste? It is all of those services. It is black bin, it is blue bin, it is green bin, and we need to think of them holistically, and we need to stop sort of portioning them out and bidding them against each other. And uh, you know, like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 7161.745, "end": 7202.365, "text": "Waste is waste and we need to encourage people to use the green cart first and the blue cart second and the black cart third because you're paying for that holistic service. And so when we change the mentality by bundling it together, as I think this proposal does, I think that that actually moves us in the right direction. We don't go to the swimming pool and get told how much the chlorine costs and what the lifeguard is and what the pump is and how much electricity was used to make that pump go. We don't break all those pieces out. We provide a service and Calgaryans can use that service and sort of see it in terms of its pricing on the whole. Waste needs to be done in that model, and I think that this moves us further towards that. So thank you for your work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7203.185, "end": 7205.065, "text": "Thanks. Councilor Clark, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7205.325, "end": 7253.165, "text": "Thank you. I just wanted to uh speak to the transparency piece. I think what I'm concerned about is the idea that uh folks can just simply access the internet to identify the breakdown, that sort of thing. We're removing something that's quite clear on a bill that's personalized and inviting what happens to be usually a more senior individual, homeowners typically are older people. Uh, we're suggesting that they go and find information that's been readily available to them all this time. I think I think it also puts us in a position where, you know, in the instance that the cost to deliver one of these carts goes up, it's now a single line item. It just has gone up. And how do we clearly articulate how, why?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7253.505, "end": 7257.905, "text": "I think we're we're lessening the opportunity to clearly uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7258.545, "end": 7264.645, "text": "speak to our residents about cost in doing this. And that that's just my biggest insecurity about voting on this. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7267.005, "end": 7267.845, "text": "Thanks. Anyone else?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7271.505, "end": 7276.825, "text": "Alright, uh I will not be supporting this. Uh I think the transparency argument's a good one. I I think." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7277.065, "end": 7279.225, "text": "Having that granularity is worthwhile and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7279.545, "end": 7283.665, "text": "I think one of the best parts of the property tax bill is actually getting the breakdown of police fire" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7283.945, "end": 7287.125, "text": "all the things that uh are included in there. And if it's just one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7287.705, "end": 7289.625, "text": "big single payment, I think it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7290.005, "end": 7299.405, "text": "doesn't give me much ground to stand on if I'm saying critiquing our invoices for our property tax bills and really wanting delineation between what's going to the province, what's going to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7299.825, "end": 7303.305, "text": "the municipality. And I think having more granularity actually allows us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7303.665, "end": 7306.725, "text": "Uh to better show the value, right? So when you think about just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7307.045, "end": 7309.845, "text": "when you think about the the amount that we spend on water" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7310.285, "end": 7316.085, "text": "is pennies compared to the value that we get for a life-enabling resource, something that many places else in the world" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7316.545, "end": 7319.645, "text": "do not have access to. Even just the quality for service uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7320.025, "end": 7326.385, "text": "and just having one big payment for a bunch of things doesn't invite that conversation about the great value that Calgarons are getting. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7326.745, "end": 7327.345, "text": "I believe that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7328.065, "end": 7331.105, "text": "amalgamating this and having one single bill payment is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7331.485, "end": 7336.705, "text": "It's trying to fix a paw problem that doesn't exist. If anything, I'd like to see us go in a in a different direction uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7337.025, "end": 7345.065, "text": "as far as having more granularity in terms of the the value that Calgarons are getting for other servicing service lines like police or fire and all" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7345.505, "end": 7350.545, "text": "the rest that they get. Uh the value for money is definitely there on the municipal portion of the property tax bill." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7350.885, "end": 7353.045, "text": "So I'd like to better demonstrate that. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7353.365, "end": 7354.645, "text": "over to Council Ewell, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7356.585, "end": 7382.345, "text": "Yeah, I just uh uh I'll just reiterate this is uh the this is how the service is laid out, how we have it right now. Um I would say if we want to make changes, that's great. I love talking about waste and recycling. I I have a background in it, so happy to to have those discussions moving forward if we want to do something different. But at the moment, this is the service we're oper offering as a as a city, and let's let's just uh let's just make it that. So closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7384.205, "end": 7384.665, "text": "All right, madam" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7384.665, "end": 7385.225, "text": "Clerk, let's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7385.485, "end": 7386.565, "text": "please engage the e vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7386.565, "end": 7387.525, "text": "on the recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7397.585, "end": 7398.885, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7401.065, "end": 7401.325, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7401.905, "end": 7402.105, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7404.225, "end": 7405.025, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7406.145, "end": 7408.045, "text": "Thank you. Uh please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7414.305, "end": 7421.125, "text": "And on that, the uh motion has been defeated, five to ten with counselors Kelly, Yule, Atkinson, Schmidt, and Tyres in favor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7421.525, "end": 7427.865, "text": "Madam Clerk, uh, at this point, would we want to receive the report for the corporate record or uh it just goes away?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7428.185, "end": 7440.645, "text": "Thank you for the question. Mayor Farkas, so procedure bylaw provides that a recommendation of administration contained in a report, it's either approved, approved as amended, or defeated. In this case, it was defeated. No further actions required." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7441.065, "end": 7443.605, "text": "All right. Um by my read, there's no further business." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7445.465, "end": 7445.745, "text": "Oh." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7446.325, "end": 7454.285, "text": "Oh, we got our urgent business. Oh my gosh, and we had a we had a whole uh discussion about that. All right, uh, we are on to our urgent business. Counselor Schmidt, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7455.865, "end": 7457.325, "text": "Yes, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7459.065, "end": 7460.225, "text": "This was uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7460.645, "end": 7465.465, "text": "sent out to everybody over the weekend. Again, my apologies for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7466.005, "end": 7473.245, "text": "the error here. Um this was run through operations, parks, finance, and law," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7474.385, "end": 7482.885, "text": "and vetted appropriately and given the endorsement of uh what it seeks to do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7483.585, "end": 7489.825, "text": "For I flagged financial considerations in the checklist if there are issues" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7490.085, "end": 7492.525, "text": "with the funding source. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7493.405, "end": 7504.865, "text": "I I mean I won't go too deep into it, but basically I was looking for an alternative to FSR given the this council's reluctance to use FSR in the interim period. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7505.485, "end": 7507.965, "text": "but I would uh happily" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7508.945, "end": 7528.205, "text": "Accept any amendments to change to using FSR if there's concerns with the funding source that's before us. But otherwise, the technical aspects of the notice of motion have been thoroughly vetted. And I would hope that we can have that debate at council or discussions around any amendments that some might seek." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7531.085, "end": 7532.665, "text": "All right, that's been moved. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7532.885, "end": 7543.825, "text": "I'm gonna bite and uh committee uh bear with me, but uh technically is that legacy parks uh fund not restricted to capital? That was my understanding" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7544.765, "end": 7546.005, "text": "uh in previous years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7546.585, "end": 7551.425, "text": "And this was not really considered to be an operating source. So I know we're getting a bit into the merits here, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7551.825, "end": 7554.065, "text": "is this a restricted this is fully" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7554.525, "end": 7555.645, "text": "kosher? We can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7555.805, "end": 7557.805, "text": "use the the fund for this purpose." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 7560.525, "end": 7564.345, "text": "I'm not sure we have the answer to that, but look into Mr. Tucker, maybe he does." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7570.305, "end": 7573.145, "text": "I was away for all those public hearings. Sorry, I missed the." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7573.145, "end": 7574.105, "text": "We missed you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7574.425, "end": 7575.105, "text": "We missed you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7575.565, "end": 7599.425, "text": "So in terms of the um legacy fund, uh there's room in the fund for the capacity side of it. Um I would have to take away right now uh to confirm the maintenance portion, because I don't have that right in front of me right now. Um, but that is uh from a capacity perspective, it has the room for that. So I'll have to have that as a takeaway specifically." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7599.445, "end": 7605.245, "text": "And I can just like the answer I received was that it would require council direction" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7605.645, "end": 7606.445, "text": "for that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7607.245, "end": 7608.585, "text": "use as it's not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7609.185, "end": 7612.125, "text": "completely aligned with the fund." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7612.445, "end": 7614.665, "text": "So again, if uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7614.905, "end": 7628.245, "text": "if we would prefer to use FSR, that's available as well. This was just the other appropriate bucket. Should Council have taken issue with the use of FSR, which is why that was identified through my discussions with finance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7628.785, "end": 7639.205, "text": "Okay, that that's good enough for me to be willing to support sending this to council. I'm quite challenged. We have relatively little uh capital sources for parks, period. And I don't want to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7639.665, "end": 7652.105, "text": "even if there's relatively limited capacity that's left, that's more than otherwise uh parks traditionally gets. So I don't want to underfund those capital needs. Uh look, we can I think we can find an additional or uh different ways to be able to fund this. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7652.425, "end": 7653.525, "text": "Councillor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7655.365, "end": 7682.945, "text": "Thank you, worship. Uh admittedly, this is bordering on technical merits. Just uh curious from admin, just a question in terms of uh when this was originally brought to us. Sorry, I can't see either GM Morgan. Uh when this was originally brought to us, I believe it was planned for the uh four year budget for the budget asked to be able to meet option four. Um am I correct in assuming that there was no plan to meet it for this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7683.485, "end": 7684.545, "text": "summer season" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7685.285, "end": 7686.025, "text": "at that time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 7687.905, "end": 7711.165, "text": "Uh that's correct. So we had an aspirational the option four level of service. We gave other options as well that provide council a little bit of latitude when we came to budget time to select the level of service that we can afford. So we had not planned for any changes this year other than our base level of service. This would allow us to step into that and then wait for council's direction in the fall for the next four years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7711.465, "end": 7717.405, "text": "So from your perspective, this uh this gets us going on previous council direction one year earlier than otherwise." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 7717.665, "end": 7720.685, "text": "That's correct, and start to address some of the things we've heard from the community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7721.085, "end": 7721.805, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7722.645, "end": 7723.665, "text": "Counselor Johnson please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7725.865, "end": 7730.665, "text": "Sorry, I might have missed the answer, but sorry, was this shortfall due to previous council direction?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 7733.645, "end": 7754.405, "text": "I really the problem has emerged with the growth of the park system, uh, inflation as well as funding not keeping up over the years. So the report outlined how much the system has grown, as well as how much our operating budgets, and we're just spreading that peanut butter awfully thin, and the options sought to bring us back to a level of service that met the expectation of the citizen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7754.905, "end": 7758.325, "text": "Do we not budget maintenance into parks when we build them?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 7759.345, "end": 7769.425, "text": "We do, but that budget has not kept pace with how much addition how many additional parks we brought on and the inflation that is in the core of the park service delivery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7769.605, "end": 7774.205, "text": "I'm just curious if the previous council direction on mowing less or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7774.685, "end": 7779.805, "text": "um other type of uh reduction in maintenance caused this shortfall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 7780.045, "end": 7780.485, "text": "Yes," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7780.745, "end": 7781.145, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 7781.145, "end": 7781.385, "text": "did" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7781.385, "end": 7782.005, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7782.645, "end": 7784.245, "text": "And so now we're trying to catch up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 7784.385, "end": 7785.005, "text": "that's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7785.305, "end": 7790.505, "text": "Were any of those previous contracts that were handed out to um subcontractors?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7792.925, "end": 7799.025, "text": "I'm thinking we're really out in the weeds now in the the actual merits, merits, not the technical merits of whether this can be voted on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7799.725, "end": 7803.585, "text": "Uh Councilor Johnson, could the line of question wait until council proper?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7804.705, "end": 7807.165, "text": "Uh no, this directs uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7807.505, "end": 7809.325, "text": "to whether I'm gonna vote for this or not." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7810.665, "end": 7817.625, "text": "Uh I I believe that what you're hearing is good questions in terms of the merits, but uh right now this is the technicality of whether it should even get a debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7819.365, "end": 7822.165, "text": "I'm questioning the technical merits of this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7822.405, "end": 7825.805, "text": "Which part of the uh notice emotion checklist are you referring to?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7828.745, "end": 7829.845, "text": "The merits of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7831.265, "end": 7833.465, "text": "Then the merits of it is discussed at city council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7834.305, "end": 7835.925, "text": "Sorry, the technical merits of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7836.625, "end": 7840.265, "text": "Okay, which part of the notice emotion checklist uh so we can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7840.505, "end": 7841.705, "text": "uh clarify your question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7845.325, "end": 7847.725, "text": "Sorry, I was under the impression I could ask admin" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7848.645, "end": 7851.965, "text": "the technical merits of the notice of motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7852.505, "end": 7874.565, "text": "It's the actual crafting of the motion, whether it's legally pro possible to be put, whether it's a motion that council can adopt by a resolution. It's not into whether we should do this or shouldn't do it, or in the why or the history of it. Those are really questions to had uh to be had at the council table. This is just a go no go in terms of whether it should be allowed to be debated, period, not whether it's a good idea or not." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7874.685, "end": 7889.645, "text": "Okay. I I guess I'm just confused about the inconsistency of executive committee over the past six months. Um these seem to have been questions that we've had um up until, well frankly whenever I asked technical questions. So I'll I'll leave it there. But thank you, Chair" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7890.425, "end": 7892.725, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Johnston. Uh Counselor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7894.065, "end": 7897.425, "text": "Yeah, I'm gonna tie into uh Mayor Farkas's question because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7897.765, "end": 7902.805, "text": "whilst it was identified that there may be some capacity in Legacy Parks Fund," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7903.205, "end": 7912.945, "text": "my understanding is that there's way more unfunded programs waiting for funding in MMAX Legacy Parks Fund than there than the funds that are contained" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7913.505, "end": 7914.445, "text": "within the reserve." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7914.825, "end": 7918.705, "text": "So there's a backlog. How is it that you can say there's capacity when there's a backlog?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7920.725, "end": 7942.105, "text": "So in terms of uh committed versus projects that may uh or not be eligible, um this and my answer was referring to what has already been committed out of that reserve. So 1.7 is still remaining in that reserve. Though there may be many other eligible projects, those just have not been elevated to be actually committed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7942.265, "end": 7947.705, "text": "So sorry, it's just not enough money to actually do any of the other projects. That's why there's no commitment to 'em." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7948.705, "end": 7952.825, "text": "This is a bad idea as far as with the funding source is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7953.545, "end": 7956.565, "text": "and it's a capital s funding source, as you pointed out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7956.785, "end": 7957.705, "text": "So for me," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7958.065, "end": 7965.405, "text": "it's it should have been clear, it should have been FSR. It doesn't matter whether council likes it or not. That's the appropriate funding source for this kind of thing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7965.885, "end": 7968.485, "text": "I'm gonna be proposing that amendment that council if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7968.645, "end": 7970.465, "text": "Obviously this isn't the place to do it, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7971.265, "end": 7972.985, "text": "it's a bad idea to go down this road." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7973.185, "end": 7982.785, "text": "Thanks, colleagues. And I've allowed this line of questioning, not just because of my line of questioning, it's whether or not this is actually legally valid for us to debit debit from this account. It's like we're trying to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7983.185, "end": 7989.185, "text": "Swipe a credit card. Does does the credit card actually have capacity on it? Is the is the question. It's not whether it's a good idea or a bad idea." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7989.585, "end": 7990.525, "text": "Counselor McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7991.325, "end": 7993.445, "text": "Yes, thanks, Mary. Just to follow down this line of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7993.905, "end": 7994.365, "text": "Thought." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7995.045, "end": 7999.385, "text": "I know we can't do an amendments here at executive committee, but if this passed, because I think what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7999.905, "end": 8001.245, "text": "you know technically" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8001.565, "end": 8005.025, "text": "we're talking about it whether it comes from the parks or whether it comes from FSR." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8006.425, "end": 8012.425, "text": "But I think we agree that this is maybe something that needs to be funded. So how would the how would that happen? I mean indulge me. How" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8013.125, "end": 8016.665, "text": "if we shut this down now that it's done done, it has to come back in a different form?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8017.225, "end": 8018.245, "text": "Or would we uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8018.605, "end": 8019.785, "text": "still be able to do that at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8020.505, "end": 8021.845, "text": "council with an amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 8026.425, "end": 8032.225, "text": "I appreciate you looking at me, Councilor McClain. I'm going to direct my look over to clerks" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 8032.545, "end": 8034.265, "text": "in terms of what would happen with that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8037.425, "end": 8042.425, "text": "I'm sorry, I was responding to a different question when that question was posed. Would you mind repeating it, Councillor McLean?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8043.005, "end": 8045.405, "text": "Well wow, how rare I caught clerks off guard." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8047.625, "end": 8049.745, "text": "Um if we vote this down" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8050.985, "end": 8053.225, "text": "at executive committee, it won't go to council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8054.145, "end": 8058.825, "text": "That's gonna be but uh but then if you wanted an amendment, so would it go on consent and then could be polled?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8059.265, "end": 8066.845, "text": "Tell me how this could still be resurrected or it would have to come back in some other form later on, if you wanted to still proceed with the intent but with a different funding model." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8067.345, "end": 8087.825, "text": "So the mandate of the executive committee is to forward this notice of motion or to refer it back to a member of council today with instructions. So if there's specific things that you would like to see, you could refer that back to the member of council today. If the notice of motion is rejected today at executive committee, it could be brought back at a future" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8088.165, "end": 8090.825, "text": "point in time back to executive committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8092.085, "end": 8095.065, "text": "um on to council as a as a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8095.625, "end": 8099.065, "text": "notice of motion, but if it bypasses the executive committee," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8099.265, "end": 8102.525, "text": "then it would just have a higher threshold for a vote to return." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8102.985, "end": 8104.185, "text": "So there's a couple options." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8105.945, "end": 8107.545, "text": "Okay, thank you. And can maybe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8108.065, "end": 8115.205, "text": "technically can we speak to the why this is urgent again, maybe? See, I'm still looking at you. But if this doesn't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8115.805, "end": 8120.585, "text": "Clear now? Like I mean is there a an opportunity to fund this later in a different capacity?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8122.065, "end": 8125.705, "text": "We can do this later and we're still you know, maybe speak to the urgency." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8129.425, "end": 8134.145, "text": "I think uh Councilor McLean, what we heard was the uh restrictions they have around contractors," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8134.385, "end": 8143.005, "text": "just the timing of getting everything in place. If there is going to be a decision on this by uh council, they need it in the next week or two, really, in in order to be able to catch the season." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8143.585, "end": 8153.285, "text": "Yeah, I'll just reinforce that. We're getting to the grass is starting to grow, some green grass out there already. It's uh uh for us to get the resources in place and start the activities. Um, hence it should come today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8154.685, "end": 8155.505, "text": "That's all I have. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8155.745, "end": 8162.565, "text": "Okay, just uh to again briefly debate uh council, I think there's some consternation about whether this is the appropriate funding source. I think the concept's good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8162.885, "end": 8166.225, "text": "I would recommend just supporting this at this point in committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8166.465, "end": 8171.225, "text": "And then let's make the tweaks. Uh perhaps in it even in advance of the council meeting. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8171.685, "end": 8179.085, "text": "perhaps some of us colleagues could work with Councilor Schmidt on what some of the alternatives uh might be so they could the revised version could be presented at that time. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8179.285, "end": 8182.325, "text": "let's allow him the opportunity at least to have the the the sounding board." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8182.705, "end": 8183.865, "text": "Uh Councilor Clark, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 8185.385, "end": 8205.965, "text": "Just to uh sort of pick up what you've just said there, I think from a procedure perspective and and for the kind of efficiency that I think this council likes, it probably makes good sense to uh have that conversation at council following the approval of this notice of motion at executive. And that's what I will recommend and encourage. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8207.025, "end": 8209.465, "text": "Great. Uh Counselor Schmidt, please look close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8210.705, "end": 8212.505, "text": "I welcome all debates and amendments" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8214.765, "end": 8215.585, "text": "at council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8216.205, "end": 8219.825, "text": "I am not married to any aspect of the funding source." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8220.405, "end": 8221.625, "text": "Was just uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8222.165, "end": 8224.505, "text": "trying to think a couple steps ahead. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8224.985, "end": 8228.065, "text": "Otherwise, I hope you can support it and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 8228.845, "end": 8231.945, "text": "very flexible as to how we get it across the finish line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8234.525, "end": 8240.365, "text": "All right, Madam Clerk, let's engage the evote, please. On the notion forwarding it to the 26th of April meeting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8246.305, "end": 8247.605, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8247.865, "end": 8249.465, "text": "Thanks. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8254.385, "end": 8259.705, "text": "That motion is carried unanimously. 15 to 0. All right. Is there any other business, Madam Clerk?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8260.025, "end": 8260.845, "text": "Nothing else, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8261.065, "end": 8266.405, "text": "All right. Move by Councillor Chabot to adjourn. All in favor? Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8266.805, "end": 8268.745, "text": "Hearing none, we are adjourned. See ya." } ], "num_speakers": 23 }