{ "file": "/tmp/tmpa3cil9xs/0ae5066e-ca92-48ef-94ba-d065ed7d9318.mkv", "segments": [ { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1054.085, "end": 1057.025, "text": "Good morning and welcome back to uh day" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1059.705, "end": 1060.445, "text": "ten." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1061.445, "end": 1065.745, "text": "Mr. Clerk, is it day nine of our March twenty-third uh public hearing meeting of council?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1065.965, "end": 1067.085, "text": "Uh maybe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1067.325, "end": 1068.065, "text": "Something. All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1069.125, "end": 1074.245, "text": "Well, regardless, uh, we have a meeting, colleagues. Uh let's uh call the roll, please, Mr. Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1074.545, "end": 1076.945, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Counselor Dollywall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1080.205, "end": 1081.445, "text": "Thank you. Councilor Pantasopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1082.005, "end": 1082.745, "text": "Counselor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1083.345, "end": 1083.945, "text": "Counselor Schmidt?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1085.205, "end": 1085.865, "text": "Counselor Clark?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1086.405, "end": 1087.065, "text": "Counselor Chabot?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1090.285, "end": 1091.225, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Ward?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1092.305, "end": 1093.045, "text": "Counselor Jameson?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1094.045, "end": 1094.705, "text": "Counselor McLean?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 1095.225, "end": 1095.445, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1095.825, "end": 1096.485, "text": "Councillor Johnston?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1096.705, "end": 1096.865, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1097.185, "end": 1097.865, "text": "Counselor Tyres?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1098.785, "end": 1099.585, "text": "Counselor Wyness?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1101.325, "end": 1102.285, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Yule?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 1103.105, "end": 1103.285, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1103.885, "end": 1104.425, "text": "Councilor Kelly?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1104.685, "end": 1104.985, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1105.325, "end": 1106.065, "text": "And Mayor Ferkis?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1107.265, "end": 1107.805, "text": "I am here," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1108.025, "end": 1108.305, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1108.305, "end": 1109.465, "text": "and Council Chabot's here too." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1110.545, "end": 1110.745, "text": "Oh." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1112.965, "end": 1113.965, "text": "I did have him on the roll." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1114.145, "end": 1115.185, "text": "Okay. Sounds good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1114.445, "end": 1114.505, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1116.265, "end": 1122.985, "text": "All right, colleagues. Uh we have concluded the public hearing. We're going to go now into questions of clarification." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1123.365, "end": 1125.505, "text": "Uh from members of council for administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1125.945, "end": 1144.065, "text": "Going off of the the previous uh public hearing on blanket rezoning, uh there was an approximately, I believe, three and a half days worth of debate and questions of clarification, amendments, uh discussion on motions arising. I think that we can uh hopefully resolve ourselves uh on this question quicker than three and a half days." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1144.545, "end": 1149.305, "text": "But that said, there is an important uh function uh this afternoon from about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1149.545, "end": 1150.285, "text": "one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1150.845, "end": 1187.305, "text": "O'clock to about four o'clock, uh Calgary Economic Developments report to the community for 2026 is a large event with about 2,500 people. Council members typically are expected to attend and I'm slated to speak. I'm curious if uh we could test the will of council to have a larger break today from twelve uh to four as our recess for this meeting with the intent to work tonight to 9 30 uh in order to resolve this question. So, would anyone be interested in moving that uh motion to allow for a larger or longer lunch recess in order to have a break from 12 to 4?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1188.805, "end": 1191.385, "text": "Moved by Councillor Kelly. Is there a seconder for that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1192.045, "end": 1193.545, "text": "Second by Councilor Pandasopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1195.185, "end": 1198.825, "text": "Or we could be done by noon, Councilor McLean. I like that idea even better." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1199.825, "end": 1202.985, "text": "So that this motion is on the table. Any discussion on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1203.945, "end": 1204.245, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1204.725, "end": 1206.505, "text": "Yeah. Councilor Johnston? Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1206.685, "end": 1211.505, "text": "Yeah. Um I know that's an important thing to do for us right now, but there's nothing more important than" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1212.045, "end": 1216.485, "text": "sticking to what we're doing right uh now in this meeting. So I would suggest us" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1216.945, "end": 1223.985, "text": "not extend our lunch break till four o'clock and just power through this and give it its full attention. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1225.485, "end": 1230.865, "text": "Okay, thank you. Uh seeing no further debate on this, uh let's in let's engage the evote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1249.685, "end": 1250.945, "text": "Councilor Jameson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1251.205, "end": 1251.405, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1251.885, "end": 1253.745, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Kelly, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1254.205, "end": 1254.565, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1255.185, "end": 1256.465, "text": "Councillor Shabot, your vote, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1267.125, "end": 1267.265, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1273.725, "end": 1274.205, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1275.125, "end": 1277.345, "text": "Okay, Councillor Schmidt, your vote, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1278.225, "end": 1278.645, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1279.025, "end": 1280.085, "text": "Mayor Ferkis, all the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1280.885, "end": 1282.445, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1287.925, "end": 1296.745, "text": "And on that, the motion is defeated, 7 to 8. We'll work straight through hopefully to 9.30. By 9.30 today, we'll hopefully we'll have a resolution to the question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1297.125, "end": 1301.785, "text": "We'll go over to Councilor Dallywell, please, for uh questions uh for clarification for admin." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1302.185, "end": 1314.185, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. I just want to go back to March 23rd when I wanted to have a question of clarification. Can we go through the recommendations, please, and explain to residents exactly what is happening?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1314.685, "end": 1320.825, "text": "Uh there's lots of confusion in the community that this is not a full repeal, this is just um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1321.285, "end": 1323.245, "text": "rehashing amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1324.225, "end": 1342.525, "text": "My understanding is there's elements of full repeal that will revert us back to pre-August 2024, and then there's changes to the rules of exist RCGs that existed back then. Please, if you can just clarify that in the details so those who are watching, listening, they can understand what is happening here today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1343.285, "end": 1351.665, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Dollywell, through the chair. I would be happy to do that. Clerks, team, is it possible to please bring up administration's presentation" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1352.025, "end": 1352.925, "text": "from the 23rd?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1353.845, "end": 1354.285, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1356.845, "end": 1367.465, "text": "Okay, so first of all, thank you, Council. I think it is day nine, and um thank you to all the Calgaryans that came out and spoke." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1368.485, "end": 1375.445, "text": "What I want to share with you now, based on Councillor Dollywall's question, if we can go to slide two, please, clerks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1375.825, "end": 1389.905, "text": "These are the recommendations, and so the source of the recommendations have come from the December 15th notice of motion and motion arising on the 15th, and that's exactly the direction has been carried over into the recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1391.205, "end": 1395.685, "text": "So, recommendation one if we go to slide" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1396.845, "end": 1398.245, "text": "uh seven, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1399.745, "end": 1401.465, "text": "Recommendation one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1401.645, "end": 1430.645, "text": "Which says textual amendments, section one and schedule A and B, attachment two, to insert previously deleted land use districts. So the this if you recall, Manager Lee spoke about the land use bylaw being composed of two parts the rule book and the maps. So what recommendation one is doing is putting the rules back in the rule book. So reinstating the districts that were there prior to August 2024 into the land use bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1431.545, "end": 1435.305, "text": "So that's recommendation one. If we go to slide eight, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1436.785, "end": 1455.305, "text": "This is recommendation two, and so again the maps component. So this is returning all the parcels, affected parcels back to what they were designated prior to August 2024. So this is your repeal, a full repeal of rezoning as directed by council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1456.525, "end": 1482.185, "text": "I will note for both on this slide and the last one, you will see that RCG parcels will continue to exist. RCG was in play prior to August 2024 and it will be in play after this repeal. Some parcels were designated prior to 2024 or have been designated to RCG independently of the blanket rezoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1483.785, "end": 1510.785, "text": "If we now go to slide, oh sorry, before we move on, recommendation three is around textual amendments for non conforming buildings. And that council is simply to make sure that when these changes occur, we don't inadvertently cause a building or a use to be quote unquote nonconforming, that it doesn't align with the previous rule or the new rules." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1511.985, "end": 1517.145, "text": "They will have been legally built, constructed, or approved based on the rules at the time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1518.125, "end": 1520.105, "text": "So slide nine, please, clerks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1522.205, "end": 1546.825, "text": "This is recommendation four. So, as Councillor Dollywall, as you mentioned, the other direction to administration was to make changes to the rules in the RCG district that is remaining in the rule book. And so that is what recommendation number four is. I won't read everything out, but there were a number of aspects that administration was asked to change the rules to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1547.565, "end": 1552.485, "text": "That is recommendation four. And then recommend uh slide 10, please, clerks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1554.985, "end": 1567.005, "text": "Uh recommendation five, these are the textual amendments that are to retain council direction directed land use bylaw amendments that were approved after." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1567.845, "end": 1587.505, "text": "By law 21 p 2024, which was the re um rezoning for housing. These amendments council also directed us to keep. They're listed here, eight of them, and they are to retain, be retained in the land use bylaw as currently existing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1588.265, "end": 1589.725, "text": "Does that make sense, Councillor Dolywall?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1589.725, "end": 1591.105, "text": "Thank you. Just to recap," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1591.965, "end": 1601.325, "text": "based on the motion that was brought forward by Councilor Chabot, which was seeking full repeal, these recommendations one, two, three, five," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1602.025, "end": 1606.165, "text": "totally aligned with that notice of motion, and this will be a full repeal" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1606.385, "end": 1610.805, "text": "of August 2024 bylaw that brought in blanket rezoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1610.845, "end": 1611.925, "text": "That is correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1611.985, "end": 1616.665, "text": "Exactly. And there are no amendments. Amendments that are being proposed" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1617.525, "end": 1618.165, "text": "are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1618.425, "end": 1626.865, "text": "independent of the repeal. They apply to RCG units that existed before the blanket zoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1627.645, "end": 1640.205, "text": "And or will exist in the future. So remember the rule book and the maps. Everybody, all parcels are going back from a map perspective to what they were prior to 2024. That's the full repeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1641.045, "end": 1658.365, "text": "The rule book is going to put back the rules for single detached, semi detached, those separate districts. RCG district will remain in the rule book in our land use bylaw, and the number four is simply changes to those rules for future" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1659.165, "end": 1660.105, "text": "So basically, we are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1660.125, "end": 1660.705, "text": "redevelopment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1660.705, "end": 1665.825, "text": "turning the clock back, resetting the way it was before the blanket zoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1665.825, "end": 1666.125, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1666.125, "end": 1671.725, "text": "Number four is just if someone is interested in putting an RCG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1672.385, "end": 1676.865, "text": "It will be coming to council with these different rules. That's it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1677.725, "end": 1696.045, "text": "I will clarify there will still be parcels that are designated RCG, but if somebody wants to redesignate their parcel to RCG in the future, they must come through land use if council approves what's before you today. And then when they go to build, these new rules are what are in play." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1696.045, "end": 1716.205, "text": "Clarification for those. Any parcels that were designated RCG in blanket zoning, they revert back to the way they were. These RCG units or parcels existed before blanket zoning through some pilot program initiated by the city and communities like MAFTRALERS." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1716.485, "end": 1720.825, "text": "Andor individual parcel redesignations that led up to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1721.285, "end": 1721.645, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1722.125, "end": 1723.045, "text": "that were before. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1723.045, "end": 1743.865, "text": "Okay, no, that's that's great. Um thank you for the clarification because there was lots of chatter that this is not a full repeal, this is amendment. Full repeal is happening. Now any amendments brought by members of this council will be amendments to the new bylaw that is coming into effect after the land use uh after the repeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1749.565, "end": 1751.965, "text": "What I'm saying is this is repeal" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1751.965, "end": 1752.485, "text": "By that one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1752.485, "end": 1753.605, "text": "100% repeal," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1754.485, "end": 1758.205, "text": "It is absolutely 100% repeal. There is no partial repeal happening." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1758.205, "end": 1762.045, "text": "and there were no amendments brought in to this repeal by administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1763.005, "end": 1770.685, "text": "No, administration clearly followed council's direction. I can walk you through notice of motion to recommendation, motion arising to recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1770.905, "end": 1780.065, "text": "This is exactly the output of the notice of motion that Council Chabu brought, which is full appeal. Thank you so much. And any amendments that will be happening in the floor are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1780.285, "end": 1782.325, "text": "independent of the notice of motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 1783.165, "end": 1783.785, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 1784.125, "end": 1788.165, "text": "Thank you. Thank you for the clarification. There was lots of confusion. Thanks, uh Mir. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1790.005, "end": 1791.505, "text": "Thank you. Uh Counselor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1793.965, "end": 1799.685, "text": "We're into it now, right? We're full we're fully into asking questions of admin. The thing we've been waiting for for days, yes?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1801.925, "end": 1803.065, "text": "That was my first question. Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1803.925, "end": 1806.825, "text": "I just want to get real clear." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1806.825, "end": 1808.925, "text": "Give her two minutes and fifty one seconds." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1809.745, "end": 1827.885, "text": "I have three minutes. Two minutes and fifty seconds. Yeah, okay, fair. Uh sure, just a second here, just pulling up the questions. Uh the first question I have for admin is um can you maybe outline for us if we wanted to do a division of the vote, uh, which items have to go together versus which ones uh can stand alone?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1831.085, "end": 1833.245, "text": "Oh, or are you going to answer it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1833.985, "end": 1835.145, "text": "GM Hamilton? No, I can." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1835.545, "end": 1845.745, "text": "Certainly you just stood up, so I wasn't 100% sure. Um, thank you, Councillor Kelly, and uh through the mayor. So, recommendation uh one," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1846.525, "end": 1847.785, "text": "if passed," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1848.545, "end": 1855.285, "text": "um, they can all be called individually. Let me just start with that, which is I think your first question, if you like. So," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1855.445, "end": 1858.165, "text": "recommendation one is to put those" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1858.645, "end": 1860.325, "text": "districts back into" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1861.025, "end": 1862.265, "text": "The land use bylaw," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1862.425, "end": 1863.805, "text": "that can be called individually." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1864.825, "end": 1866.445, "text": "If that fails" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1867.145, "end": 1868.065, "text": "for any reason," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1868.665, "end": 1870.985, "text": "recommendation two could not stand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1871.305, "end": 1872.085, "text": "You can't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1872.445, "end": 1873.505, "text": "redesignate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1873.945, "end": 1876.605, "text": "back to something that doesn't exist in the rule book." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1877.145, "end": 1879.525, "text": "So one must pass in order for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1879.885, "end": 1882.085, "text": "the repeal to pass, which is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1882.465, "end": 1883.225, "text": "in number two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1885.145, "end": 1886.785, "text": "If the repeal passes," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1887.465, "end": 1887.985, "text": "we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1888.845, "end": 1893.725, "text": "number three is about ensuring we have no non conforming buildings and uses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1894.045, "end": 1895.605, "text": "And so if two passes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1895.825, "end": 1897.025, "text": "or portions of two" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1897.705, "end": 1899.665, "text": "pass, then three," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1900.705, "end": 1903.165, "text": "we would recommend three pass as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1904.505, "end": 1906.725, "text": "Number four is the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1907.685, "end": 1908.585, "text": "amended" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1909.365, "end": 1911.085, "text": "rules for RCG" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1911.265, "end": 1913.305, "text": "that can stand alone and is independent" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1913.805, "end": 1915.325, "text": "of any of the other motions" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1915.505, "end": 1916.945, "text": "or any of the other recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1917.425, "end": 1918.925, "text": "And number five," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1920.505, "end": 1922.805, "text": "we would recommend pass if." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1923.745, "end": 1927.185, "text": "The repeal passes so that all of those" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1927.625, "end": 1933.165, "text": "amendments that were adopted into the land use bylaw are maintained." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1935.785, "end": 1948.325, "text": "Thank you for the clarification. RG, which uh exists currently in some of our more suburban neighborhoods, I'm I'm curious, was it placed there as a result of zoning for housing or was it there before?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1950.845, "end": 1954.545, "text": "RG was implemented in 2014," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1955.185, "end": 1956.045, "text": "2018," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1956.385, "end": 1958.665, "text": "ahead of rezoning for housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1959.765, "end": 1960.905, "text": "And feel free to jump in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1963.805, "end": 1997.625, "text": "Hi, Counselor Kelly. The original version of RG was used through a direct control district since 2010. That was the only mechanism that we were using in the developing areas to enable all four forms singles, semis, rows, and towns, to have that flexibility in the greenfield areas. And so we used it for many years as a direct control district and then adoption into a general district in the land use bylaw in 2018." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1999.505, "end": 2011.865, "text": "And correct me if I'm wrong here, but uh what's proposed in uh recommendation number two is removing the RGs that you just said were prior to the zoning for rehousing, is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2014.865, "end": 2023.185, "text": "No, that is not correct. There was RG prior to rezoning for housing, but there were a number of parcels that were redesignated to RG" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2023.845, "end": 2025.885, "text": "through rezoning for housing as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2026.045, "end": 2029.485, "text": "Got it. So this is. And Hamilton just wants to jump in as well on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 2029.705, "end": 2051.065, "text": "Oh, and sorry, it was to do with the first question that you asked. Well, the items can be called separately initially. We do recommend that it be moved. Technically, it's one recommendation with subparts, so it can be moved entirely on its own, first reading given, and then amendments can come with the various sub bullets." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2052.985, "end": 2072.025, "text": "I appreciate that. Thanks. So I just wanted to be real clear because obviously we're not looking at the map here on the screen. We're simply looking at the at the text here. But the RG that is being proposed to be removed under 2B, those are the items that happened specifically as a result of the rezoning for housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2072.705, "end": 2073.385, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2073.765, "end": 2079.745, "text": "And any of the RGs that existed prior to that, uh, such as in our our newer neighborhoods, would stay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2080.045, "end": 2080.685, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2080.825, "end": 2081.605, "text": "Perfect. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2082.685, "end": 2098.025, "text": "Um, we heard a lot about uh SDAB uh during our public hearing. I wonder if you can uh provide me a bit of clarity on uh what will happen to rejected developments, uh developments that were rejected by SDAB," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2098.625, "end": 2100.625, "text": "will those also be grandfathered?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2104.825, "end": 2113.405, "text": "I'm happy to start and then if we get into the very nitty-gritty, I would call uh manager Christian Lee up to the podium as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2114.085, "end": 2114.545, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2115.465, "end": 2117.385, "text": "he is already there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2118.805, "end": 2121.745, "text": "Maybe I'll just default over to Mr. Lee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 2122.705, "end": 2134.045, "text": "So uh administration's interpretation of the motion pertaining to exemptions was a decision of a pr uh a dis a decision from the development authority. So there were" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 2134.205, "end": 2153.725, "text": "uh through both the public hearing and through the inbox that we created to identify errors, um, there were three that were identified as um having approvals from the development authority, therefore qualifying for exemption under the words of the motion. Uh but certainly council can direct administration to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 2154.125, "end": 2158.885, "text": "Change those for the subsequent bylaw that is required for July for the cleanup." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2159.565, "end": 2166.665, "text": "So just to get real clear in terms of a sort of a yesno type situation, the uh anything that's being rejected by SDAB, but the the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2168.685, "end": 2171.565, "text": "is that going to stay zoned as," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2171.885, "end": 2173.105, "text": "in this case, RCG?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 2173.585, "end": 2182.245, "text": "Under the direction of the motion, if a decision from the development authority was for an approval, it would stay that way. There's nothing precluding this council from directing us otherwise, though." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2182.845, "end": 2186.805, "text": "But if the decision from SDAB was that it not be approved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2188.045, "end": 2193.845, "text": "Will that be captured as a rezoner here? Sorry, I'm just trying to get real clear in terms of it. Not an expert in this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 2194.185, "end": 2213.185, "text": "It it would depend on the timing of when the appeal is actually heard. As you heard from a lot of public submissions, there is a significant delay right now between the procedural and jurisdictional meeting and the merit hearing. So uh my team has already advised we're already booking into August. So most of those won't make it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2213.705, "end": 2217.285, "text": "And do you have an estimate in how many in terms of how many of those would be caught up?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 2219.545, "end": 2232.925, "text": "I can't I don't have that answer right now. All I know is to date we're still dealing with we just finished appeals that were filed in 2025 and my team is dealing with our 49th appeal so far." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2233.545, "end": 2233.905, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2239.965, "end": 2249.305, "text": "What tools might exist for us to mandate accessibility of housing for seniors or those otherwise with mobility challenges?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2253.345, "end": 2313.885, "text": "I'm happy to start. So accessibility as a lens, meaning it it is not just for people in wheelchairs or visually or hearing impaired. The entire suite, depending on the permit, we do an accessibility review. So on a low density like we would be hearing about today, we typically do not do that review. Meaning, you know, we're not providing comments back to the applicant to say, have you considered making your permit accessible? It mostly happens from multifamily forward. The levers to do this could be through our land use bylaw, but a lot of it is included in the building code. And so the really, I would say the teeth on accessibility come through the building code." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2314.945, "end": 2320.145, "text": "The building code is not something that uh the city of Calgary regulates." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2320.785, "end": 2329.005, "text": "Yep, that's fair. Happy to have that conversation when we eventually get to the zoning bylaw. Bins on an eight plex. What are the actual rules and how are those supposed to be handled? We heard a lot about that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2337.405, "end": 2341.765, "text": "Uh good morning. Uh uh the the number of bins required on an Aplex uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2342.165, "end": 2347.505, "text": "fall outside the land use bylaw, and those rules come from the waste and and recycling bylaw. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2347.805, "end": 2369.945, "text": "they do have a formula to look at in terms of uh expected volume of of waste. That being said, uh I know that we can we can right size uh the bins on a per development basis so we don't have to have an outcome of of you know one bin or three bins uh per unit. So uh it is looked at on an individual uh development permit basis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2370.625, "end": 2372.645, "text": "That's currently not one bin per dwelling." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2373.405, "end": 2375.465, "text": "Those rules do not exist in land use bylaw, no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2376.125, "end": 2383.925, "text": "Yep, thank you. Um how and when can we begin counting secondary suites as units? And why don't we currently do this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2384.825, "end": 2397.905, "text": "To answer the first part of your question, uh we do have direction to uh make that change in the zoning bylaw. Uh so that uh we've received that direction uh and and that work is is underway. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2398.565, "end": 2402.565, "text": "the the latter part of your question adds to why. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2404.025, "end": 2409.365, "text": "the land the current land use bylaw is is over 20 years old. Uh, when it was first released, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2409.985, "end": 2452.505, "text": "Secondary suites weren't realistically that common. We didn't really have rules in the land use bylaw for them. And then strictly speaking, you know, a secondary suite, because it can't be subdivided from the main residential unit, it historically hasn't been included in density calculations. Now, over the past 20 years, as we've introduced districts like RG, RCG, HGO, and we're seeing a variety of development forms, we've seen an increase in the prevalence of secondary suites and backyard suites, and it is clear that as we've seen more units on a parcel, it does make sense to include them in that density calculation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2454.745, "end": 2456.125, "text": "That we should see that in zoning bylaw?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2456.885, "end": 2458.485, "text": "You will see that in the zoning bylaw, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2458.625, "end": 2460.805, "text": "We have an ETA on when we'll see the zoning bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2463.245, "end": 2477.765, "text": "So council just uh directed us to bring the Calri Plan to the June 16th strategic session of Council. From that, we will be looking for direction on timing. I would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2478.045, "end": 2489.085, "text": "suggest that we're probably looking at Q1 of 2027 for both the Cal Ry plan and the zoning bylaw. We'll need a little bit of separation between those two items for consideration by council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2489.685, "end": 2496.745, "text": "We're looking at about a gap of a little over a year here. Okay. Um can you talk to me about concurrent DP and land use?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2498.005, "end": 2499.905, "text": "Why do we not sort of currently do this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2501.205, "end": 2501.845, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2502.325, "end": 2517.665, "text": "Councillor Kelly, this is always an option. And when we say concurrent, we mean we are just to clarify, you're asking why we don't process a development permit specifically in line with a land use permit. And the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2517.665, "end": 2524.765, "text": "We heard a lot from folks about uh it's not the land use, it's the development. And frequently, as you know from the public hearings, we get mixed up between the two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2526.385, "end": 2535.785, "text": "Yes, so the there is no requirement in our land use bylaw to submit a development permit with a land use application. Applicants are free to kind of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2536.485, "end": 2609.825, "text": "Time the permits according to their own timelines, including building permit that comes after and everything else. The details that come with the land use application vary. What we would say is that at the land use we are creating the box, and at the development permit, we are creating the details or the color to the box. The requirement to tie both of them together is not included in the land use bylaw. We have found over the years, as a little bit of commentary, we do have a legal mechanism to tie to plans. Tying to plans is very problematic, meaning that any, like even an event cover that was not anticipated at the time of the land use would require a land use amendment. And so we have gone away from tying them or knitting them together with that much detail because we have found that when the building permit comes in, we are often kicking ourselves back to bringing forward land use amendments because the building permit is really where the level of detail of the development permit is realized." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2612.605, "end": 2628.425, "text": "Uh final question. I think we heard a lot about community engagement for folks. Local area plans were brought up over and over again is the best way to do that. If I were to bring forward a motion uh to uh add more local area plans, what would it take to get that done and why have we not done that up until now?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2629.765, "end": 2632.925, "text": "Thank you for the question. We um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2633.125, "end": 2712.545, "text": "We know that local area plans were spoken about a lot during the public hearing as the place to have the conversations, and we agree we uh that is the level of conversation about the future of your neighborhood and where growth can happen. That is where it should happen inside the LAPs. The three local area plans at a time, in addition to three area structure plans, so having both in the developing and the established areas, having new policy, has been our practice related to engagement, capacity for communities, the sheer number of staff and resources required, but also complexity doesn't change based on the local area plan size. So whether we have a two-community plan or an eight-community plan, the complexity, the amount of effort, etc., is exactly the same. And so three local area plans have historically been our kind of understanding on community capacity and administration council capacity. Adding additional ones require just additional resources and being able to accelerate the program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2713.985, "end": 2733.425, "text": "If I may, um Chair, Councillor Kelly, your question about RG. I just wanted to clarify that RG is a greenfield context and RCG is used in the redevelopment context. So 2B in the recommendations, which talks about the repeal" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2733.785, "end": 2738.005, "text": "on the RG district, is in a greenfield community context." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2740.445, "end": 2741.545, "text": "Thank you, Ben. Thank you, worship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2741.725, "end": 2744.425, "text": "Yep. Thank you. Uh over to Councilor McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2744.545, "end": 2745.345, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2745.785, "end": 2749.445, "text": "Thank you, Council. Thank you, everybody that tuned in administration. We're here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2749.705, "end": 2750.925, "text": "Thank you, Counselor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2750.925, "end": 2751.625, "text": "It's a big day." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2752.705, "end": 2755.005, "text": "Just a quick question. I think most of us know that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2755.245, "end": 2759.605, "text": "the procedure, but just like Councillor Dollywood uh mentioned, to recap for the public," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2760.265, "end": 2762.165, "text": "we're going to vote on these recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2762.385, "end": 2765.805, "text": "If that passes, then we go to amendments, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2766.345, "end": 2768.165, "text": "So my question is on that, then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2768.665, "end": 2778.545, "text": "if amendments arise where, say, counselor puts something forward, so we have to do a public hearing to put this into place and to repeal it. If somebody brings an amendment forward that is actually going to change" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2778.845, "end": 2782.265, "text": "The land use, like I know there's one on the table there will say HGO." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2782.785, "end": 2791.405, "text": "That would require a public hearing. So my question is is that can we actually even do that? If there's an amendment that comes forward that requires a public hearing," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2791.705, "end": 2795.245, "text": "is that something that's with within our realm of what we can actually achieve or do?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 2798.705, "end": 2799.605, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 2799.845, "end": 2801.065, "text": "through the chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 2802.525, "end": 2832.625, "text": "Administration has been made aware of certain amendments that different counselors have been contemplating, and administration as a team have been going through them. And one of the considerations that we particularly put our minds to for each of these draft changes that were brought to us is whether they would require a further public hearing so that the public is afforded procedural fairness." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 2833.205, "end": 2836.065, "text": "We've provided that feedback already." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2836.065, "end": 2837.745, "text": "So I if I'm to understand you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2838.165, "end": 2839.645, "text": "to interpret that properly then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2839.645, "end": 2850.825, "text": "I think it depends on on what is being proposed. I think on a case by case admin will weigh in and certainly as chair I really want to keep us on the rails here and uh respect uh procedural fairness for Cow Grants." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2850.825, "end": 2865.005, "text": "I just wanted some clarity because I don't think the public wants us to see us, as we've mentioned, make sausage on the floor or make something if it's a substantial change to this bylaw that requires a public hearing, then we should have a public hearing not vote on it. So you that's kind of where I'm going." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 2865.625, "end": 2880.145, "text": "Further to through the chair, further to uh Ms. Wabister's comment, if council um does bring additional amendments that we have not seen uh today on the floor, we will let you know whether or not that amendment requires a new public hearing or can be made today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2880.305, "end": 2894.945, "text": "Yeah. I think in the interest of time and expeditiously uh doing this hearing. If if it can't, if it's not possible, maybe we don't debate um amendments that aren't possible. Thank you for that clarity. Uh the only other thing then on these recommendations, one, two, three, four, five," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2895.445, "end": 2900.505, "text": "uh, there I know there's been talk about number four of uh doing something with it, moving it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2901.225, "end": 2901.885, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2901.885, "end": 2905.385, "text": "If I can, uh Councillor McClain, my understanding as chair is that we'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2905.725, "end": 2914.125, "text": "the the entirety of what's on the screen will be moved, and then we need to have two votes. Uh the first vote will be on one, two, three, and five," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2914.405, "end": 2914.685, "text": "yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2915.085, "end": 2915.845, "text": "and then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2916.285, "end": 2919.985, "text": "the second vote will be on four only." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2920.545, "end": 2924.065, "text": "And then if four were to pass, that changes what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2924.425, "end": 2933.325, "text": "gets the first reading, and then subsequent amendments will be post-first reading between that and second and third reading, is my understanding." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2933.425, "end": 2936.145, "text": "Perfect clarity. Is that is that right, uh Jim Hamilton?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 2936.585, "end": 2947.485, "text": "Mayor, you're welcome to call them separately. Um I don't think there's any harm in calling them all in moving the entire recommendation as one and then doing the amendments separately. But it's up to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2947.485, "end": 2958.985, "text": "No, what I what I mean to say is that the entirety of what's on the screen will be moved at once. However, one, two, three, and five will be called first, and then four will be called subsequent to that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 2959.905, "end": 2962.645, "text": "I'll let Mr. Clerk chime in if if there's anything there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2964.325, "end": 2970.865, "text": "Only just that, and in the sense that the main recommendation here is for council to give three readings to the proposed bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2971.265, "end": 2987.245, "text": "And so if, for example, number four were not to pass, uh then parallel amendments to the bylaw would need to be brought forward in order to make that effective in the amendments to the land use bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2987.765, "end": 2989.125, "text": "Sorry for hijacking you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2989.125, "end": 2994.845, "text": "No, this is what I think we needed clarity on. If four was then to be voted down with this uh bylaw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2995.325, "end": 2997.325, "text": "pass as a whole, if if you had one, two," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2997.705, "end": 3006.785, "text": "three, five. But it's that would stand. But as I stand it now, is we're gonna call it. So I just think yeah, just four procedures so we know where we're going on. Uh okay, that's good all I have. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 3010.705, "end": 3013.585, "text": "Great. Over to uh Counselor Pentazoulis, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3013.845, "end": 3021.005, "text": "Heard a lot about LAPs and the general support, but also concerns about LEPs that were created or finalized post-blanket rezoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3022.065, "end": 3027.505, "text": "If we were to re examine those LAPs, what's the process and how could we accelerate those?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3030.645, "end": 3031.905, "text": "Thank you for the question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3032.425, "end": 3034.625, "text": "The process" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3035.165, "end": 3059.505, "text": "What I would start by saying is that we would need to have direction from council to undertake a process of examining there were five local area plans that were approved following rezoning for housing. This is the South Shaganapi, Riley, Chinook, West Elbow, and East Calgary International Avenue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3059.805, "end": 3075.585, "text": "Those five were in various stages of completion as well. So uh we would be happy to share any of those types of details if you want more. The direction though needs to um provide the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3076.945, "end": 3078.085, "text": "framework." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3078.325, "end": 3116.865, "text": "Of what re-engagement would be. We heard a lot about the low density. We were having that conversation through here. And we we heard a lot of feedback from local area plans about the nodes and corridors and establishing growth inside those areas through the LAPs. And so that would be the process of providing administration that now. We would like to come back to provide resources, timing, what that looks like, what comes off our resourcing plan, and what would move on in the event that council directed us that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3117.525, "end": 3121.625, "text": "Just heard you say uh three LAPs sort of a year. If we were to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3121.805, "end": 3131.925, "text": "double triple that and really sort of put our shoulder behind it, what sort of quantum on dollars for budget if we really wanted the next four years to get as many done as possible?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3132.885, "end": 3159.525, "text": "We would come forward with that. Local area plans are funded through tax and through a portion of development fees as well. There's a split. And we can't do a half a local area plan, so we do need to ensure that local area plan funding is secured for a minimum of three years because that is like the duration from start to finish around a local area plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3160.145, "end": 3187.505, "text": "Developer funded area structure plans are somewhere between $750,000 and $1 million. We account for nearly exact when it comes to local area planning as well. And so the that developer funded area structure plan is, you know, in our fourth round of doing that with developers, the same type of costing for local area plans." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3187.925, "end": 3190.685, "text": "Uh most of the city isn't covered by LAPs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3190.985, "end": 3192.505, "text": "There's some covered by ASPs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3193.585, "end": 3201.745, "text": "What's the process to convert? Maybe there's a better term, but take those ASPs and the information and convert it into something usable like an LAP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3202.385, "end": 3204.605, "text": "Is it simply just starting fresh or how can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3204.605, "end": 3250.625, "text": "I I will default to Mr. Shivers after I I preface. Many area structure plans do not need to be converted. They are new. They are contemporary. The communities haven't built out. There isn't additional pressure that something has changed. Our original when we undertook the North Hill local area plan for this council's understanding was because we understood many areas inside the North Hill didn't have any policy at all. And we were contemplating higher order transit. We were doing investments that hadn't been contemplated when original planning had taken place. So area structure plans likely do not need to be converted into local area plans at all." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 3250.885, "end": 3251.125, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 3251.425, "end": 3253.345, "text": "Mr. Schreiber's anything else to add on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 3253.365, "end": 3281.625, "text": "Yeah, just some clarification on that. I think exactly what Director Goldstein said is is that most of our ASPs are quite recent. There are some older ones from quite a while ago, but most of the ones, you know I'm thinking Keystone, Glacier Ridge, those types of places, quite recent, and they're really they're guiding the development of the initial build out of a community. And it's really the kind of older communities where we'd be looking at, and and really we're not there yet. And quite a few of those ASPs, again, quite recent and not just something that we'll be looking at." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3282.425, "end": 3299.025, "text": "uh administration's thoughts on uh there's some commentary around LAPs are a bit too big, seven, eight, nine, ten communities. My community is very different from my neighbor's community. Splitting those up, is there a sweet spot? Putting one or two together, or uh how would that feel the existing LAPs, and then as we go into new communities as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 3299.485, "end": 3370.125, "text": "Yeah, exactly. We we look at the the boundaries of an LAP are really determined by the kind of the physical features that uh kind of surround those communities. So large roads like Lambert Trail, Crofoot, uh Crowfoot, uh sorry, Crottel Trail, rivers, things like that. And also we have to recognize that communities vary greatly in their sizes. So Roxboro has 400 people, Acadia has 12,000. So it wouldn't be fair to say, you know, Acadia gets one plan and Roxburgh gets one plan, but the same resources for vastly different areas. And so when we look at local area plans, we're basically looking at areas that share those common amenities. I basically think of it as if your kids go to the same school and you go to the same grocery store, you should be in the same LAP. And if you're across the street from somebody, you should be in the same LAP. And that's really what we kind of use as the guide to say who should be talking to each other about those shared interests. You know, if you're, you know, you want to you kind of care about what's going to happen across the street, so you should be part of that conversation. And so we have a very a variety of sizes of LAPs, but that's really based on sometimes communities are small, sometimes they're big, and sometimes we have things like industrial areas we have to consider as well. So the LAPs are all roughly about the same size, but they vary because of the size of uh populations, industrial areas, and things like that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3370.485, "end": 3373.505, "text": "Could I uh counselor, I want to add one last thing. The" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3374.085, "end": 3375.025, "text": "administration," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3375.965, "end": 3389.805, "text": "frankly speaking, does not have capacity to keep up with single community local area plans. We um undertook a study, it would uh depending on um you know how you cut it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3390.105, "end": 3405.525, "text": "There would be probably 50 to 60 years of local area planning that we would need to do to modernize our communities community by community, 25 to 30 years if we did double." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3406.385, "end": 3443.985, "text": "The feedback though on seeing our communities seeing themselves inside local area plans has been taken. And from the first iteration, which was North Hill, to the ones that we have recently launched, Carburn Communities, South McKnight, the every lesson learned that we have learned along the lines has been incorporated into those. And we take that feedback very, very serious. You can see the differences if you take the early iteration to today. We want communities to know and see themselves in these plans. And so that feedback has been noted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3444.545, "end": 3448.385, "text": "Perfect. Is every community covered by an ASP or an LAP?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3449.265, "end": 3449.745, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3450.345, "end": 3457.785, "text": "So what would be if if we were to sort of go into June or into next year and get a standardized approach across the city, what do we do with that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3458.005, "end": 3472.085, "text": "missing middle that doesn't have an ASP and LAP to get sort of consistency if we wanted to densify on certain definition or defined terms or streets and things, how would we get that community engagement with that missing element, absent in LEP or an ASP?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 3472.445, "end": 3509.605, "text": "Yeah, there's there's various ways. So the LAPs are not the only policy documents we have. We have things like the Calgary Plan that engage people on those kind of higher level policies. Also, just in terms of our program, we are really trying to prioritize the areas that are experiencing the most growth, those areas that have those really outdated policies or no or no policies. But it's kind of like we're kind of working our way out slowly, as fast as we can possibly go. But there's those areas that it'll take a few iterations to get to them. But again, we want to really, really focus on the areas that are seen a lot of redevelopment to give them that guidance and that certainty as development happens and then move out from there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3509.965, "end": 3520.065, "text": "Perfect. You'll pivot to transit-oriented development. How many projects do we have currently advancing that would be defined under a transit oriented development process or definition?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3521.725, "end": 3531.185, "text": "Councillor Panasopoulos, thank you. There are a number and they're done in different ways. Within Planning and Development Services, there are two that we are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3531.505, "end": 3533.965, "text": "Working on right now, so Franklin Station," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3534.225, "end": 3537.805, "text": "which came through with a land use redesignation last year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3538.125, "end": 3541.605, "text": "And we're just initiating Whitehorn Station." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3542.845, "end": 3556.545, "text": "Real Estate and Development Services is also looking at some. And CMLC is undertaking three, what they're calling transit oriented communities currently." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3557.405, "end": 3566.805, "text": "What sort of direction do you have from council to really pivot towards that? Do we need more? Is it pretty clear this is an area of focus, or would you look for additional guidance if we want to accelerate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3567.225, "end": 3569.205, "text": "beyond the three or four that we're looking at?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3569.345, "end": 3572.145, "text": "Certainly, the current municipal development plan" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3572.545, "end": 3582.305, "text": "gives us guidance on transit-oriented development and putting density close to transit systems. And so there's a lot of good policy guidance already." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3582.765, "end": 3586.385, "text": "If council wishes to prioritize" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3586.785, "end": 3598.005, "text": "nodes and corridors or a transit oriented development strategy, then certainly through some direction or prioritization as to what that might look like would be welcome." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3598.905, "end": 3603.145, "text": "We're happy to have that conversation as part of the Calgary plan on June 16th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3604.225, "end": 3637.405, "text": "Fantastic. Um during the discussion, you know, many builders talked one of the fears about repeal would be a delay, like right now, the $500 a day and those sorts of numbers. But they also said, you know, look, if we have that, how do we get some improvements to process and accelerate approvals, etc.? What are some things in flight, assuming repeal occurs, that the city would be able to implement soon? And I'll leave soon as an undefined term, but to help accelerate those timelines and what comfort can we give Calgarians that we won't be going back to the system of months and years of the $500 a day delay?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3638.805, "end": 3704.145, "text": "Thank you for the question. Something to note is that continuous process improvement and development permits is not a one and done. It is something that our planning department is in our tenth year of focused improvements. And when I say focused, meaning every year setting out a work plan of improvements we are making either in the systems, so introducing electronic or automated reviews, looking at how we can do notice postings better. And we had a conversation about strengthening our capacity to have plain language and being able to give Calgarians better insight into the process. DMAP, our development map improvements. Those are all on a schedule of continuous process improvements, which led to us being considered fifth fastest in the country, but second fastest of process or excuse me, of processing applications for our big cities. Second to our friends in the north, which gives me no amount of pain to admit openly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3704.845, "end": 3706.045, "text": "In saying that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3707.045, "end": 3814.865, "text": "We are continuously improving it, and one of the very low-hanging fruits is moving towards direct council on land use amendments, so bypassing Calgary Planning Commission altogether on certain applications. This council wasn't here when we did our Calgary Planning Commission, a couple members were, our Calgary Planning Commission governance review. So we had an external consulting company come and do a complete review on Calgary Planning Commission in 2024. And those process improvements to Calgary Planning Commission were in a two-year implementation cycle. And so the first was how to do the governance better of Calgary Planning Commission. So that happened last year. And in 2026, it's the process improvements. So this is what goes to Calgary Planning Commission, what does not. What are things that Calvary Planning Commission currently looks at that they do not need to look at altogether? So that the system itself is faster. And then the last piece is really taking a critical review of the, I would say the downstream application requirements. And so do we need the same level of detail on development site servicing plans for multifamily as we do for single family? Right now we have a very consistent application form. So looking at right sizing the downstream requirements for permits depending on their size is critical for us to save time, as you said, but not to bypass any of the critical reviews that we must do, regardless." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3815.265, "end": 3816.145, "text": "That's wonderful to hear that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3816.145, "end": 3852.405, "text": "Councillor Panasopoulos, if I may, as part of our established area growth and change strategy, we are piloting a number of programs to learn and improve how redevelopment works in established areas. A couple of examples are the Stormwater Incentive Program, Missing Middle Sidewalk Incentive Program, and the Established Area Linear Levy Pilot. And so we've been working closely with industry to get their feedback and to both incentivize housing in established areas and understand what the costs are of the redevelopment context." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3853.445, "end": 3856.485, "text": "Thank you so much. Clerks, could you bring up attachment three," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3856.885, "end": 3857.605, "text": "page two?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3859.865, "end": 3868.625, "text": "While they're doing that, it just speaks to the number of RCG post repeal if it occurs. It's the number is 2,892 homes. Uh one of thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3868.985, "end": 3869.965, "text": "So if you scroll in," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3870.645, "end": 3877.565, "text": "uh yeah, second from the bottom. So we're only talking about 2,892 homes that would be impacted or lots, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3878.165, "end": 3879.305, "text": "By amendment number four?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3880.005, "end": 3881.245, "text": "And maybe you add the 15." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3883.545, "end": 3892.445, "text": "That is cor that is correct. And I might just um add that for the RG, there is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3892.685, "end": 3894.025, "text": "no RG" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3894.345, "end": 3898.465, "text": "contained in wards four, seven, eight, nine, or ten." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3899.425, "end": 3899.765, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3900.045, "end": 3902.325, "text": "So it really is that new community" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3902.625, "end": 3904.045, "text": "ring. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3905.765, "end": 3911.565, "text": "And finally, uh basement and garage suites. Um, is there a concern that if every single person on the street" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3912.085, "end": 3917.605, "text": "got approval for a garage and a basement, do we have any protections in place to prevent things like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3918.025, "end": 3924.865, "text": "lack of parking, infrastructure, et cetera? Uh any guardrails to make sure that just doesn't sort of inundate a certain street?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3925.605, "end": 3927.165, "text": "If we were to go to and not or?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3928.925, "end": 3929.685, "text": "No, well" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3931.045, "end": 3950.825, "text": "Apologies. So on an infrastructure perspective, uh it must meet Section 129, one of the land use bylaw, which is to confirm that the infrastructure in place is in place to accommodate that so water utilities sidewalks. If if you're talking about do we have guardrails in place around parking, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3951.585, "end": 3955.265, "text": "Mr. Morris might be able to speak more specifically to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3955.265, "end": 3964.145, "text": "Certainly. And I apologize, Council. I didn't introduce myself earlier. Dane Morris, leader of the land use bylaw team. Counselor, could you just clarify the question? It was if we were to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3964.445, "end": 3970.065, "text": "I I think you know there's a question about uh basement and uh uh garage. Right now we're or." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3970.585, "end": 4000.525, "text": "If if that were to occur, you you theoretically could have double the units, the suites on a street. And then just sort of, you know, fast forwarding if you had 30 homes on a street and all of a sudden you you built up every garage suite, every basement suite, the overwhelming impact to uh do we have any guardrails every third, every half? Like is there anything that would protect a street or community that if folks came and just got approvals for you know uh coming down, we're we're sort of black to blank rezoning where all the concerns that that excess density." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4001.205, "end": 4032.785, "text": "So if if this uh package of amendments is approved as is, and then uh an amendment is made to allow for both suites uh on a parcel, uh in the RC1 district, uh both types of suites are discretionary use and a development permit would be required and and a review of that application would be would be uh performed um looking at uh including uh the required parking on the parcel, which is one per uh one stall per per suite." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 4033.405, "end": 4035.425, "text": "My time's up. Thank you so much, Administration. Thank" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4035.285, "end": 4037.645, "text": "Thank you. Thank you. We'll go to Councillor Clark, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 4039.145, "end": 4063.145, "text": "Just to pick up on that, uh, one of the things that was communicated over the course of the public hearings was confusion about a.3 vehicle per unit or 0.5. I just wonder if we could just like talk a little bit about that. If I could understand the rationale behind setting those standards, I can appreciate it's likely to limit the amount of vehicles expected. It doesn't seem to ever apply that way, though." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4069.625, "end": 4072.505, "text": "Good morning, Council. Joel Mueller, Manager City Planning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4074.205, "end": 4078.245, "text": "Parking requirements can add substantially to the cost of a home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4079.005, "end": 4086.525, "text": "And they're arbitrary to begin with. For example, a single detached home has never required more than one parking stall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4086.925, "end": 4094.625, "text": "And yet, often people may have more vehicles. So it is really hard to find that precise number. And by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4094.945, "end": 4100.525, "text": "reducing it to below one, it gives the homeowner the option to choose." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4100.825, "end": 4108.645, "text": "The type of home that suits their needs. And often there will be one stall regardless. And it can also" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4110.125, "end": 4113.465, "text": "cumulatively make a difference. And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4115.025, "end": 4123.125, "text": "again, there is no hard science to it, but it is a major cost factor when it comes to the affordability of the home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 4124.325, "end": 4124.745, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 4125.485, "end": 4136.505, "text": "Yeah, I just thought it was worth bringing up because it it's something that most people come to the table with, or when we're out in the community, it's it's a confusing piece for people. They don't quite understand how that works. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 4136.785, "end": 4168.665, "text": "geez, if we could solve the parking problem, I think we'd be in a marvelous place. I really only had one question, um, and that was about uh another piece that I heard consistently over the last two weeks from all sides of this discussion, which was about the sort of slog of planning and and permitting and and getting through that process. There was some thoughts there. So um I think an important next step for us I'm a member of the audit committee, and I've been contemplating um the notion or the idea of of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 4169.085, "end": 4181.125, "text": "looking to audit that process. Um I've spoken with the City Auditor's Office about that and I just wondered if I could hear from you, GM Hamilton, about um your amenability to to doing that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4183.865, "end": 4198.725, "text": "Thank you, Counselor Clark, and through the chair. Yes, Planning and Development Services is open to auditing our various processes and the work with what we do. So I'm happy to work with you and City Auditor Ormsby to define what an audit would look like." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 4198.885, "end": 4199.805, "text": "Okay, perfect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 4200.185, "end": 4200.805, "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4203.505, "end": 4204.925, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Shabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4207.045, "end": 4208.125, "text": "Hopefully we can hear from you now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4208.265, "end": 4209.945, "text": "Wow, my microphone's working." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4210.285, "end": 4210.765, "text": "Sweet." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4211.025, "end": 4211.745, "text": "Ah, dang." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4211.745, "end": 4212.785, "text": "Thanks. Good work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4212.865, "end": 4214.405, "text": "The sabotage didn't last." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4214.925, "end": 4219.805, "text": "Yeah, I uh think a lot of my questions were asked, but I I need further clarity around the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4220.045, "end": 4221.905, "text": "the SDAB decisions around uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4222.205, "end": 4223.105, "text": "applications." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4226.425, "end": 4228.545, "text": "And uh my question specifically is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4229.365, "end": 4230.225, "text": "an application" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4230.825, "end": 4233.865, "text": "gets approved by the development authority, gets challenged at SDAB." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4234.265, "end": 4235.045, "text": "SDAB" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4235.545, "end": 4236.045, "text": "this is a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4236.905, "end": 4239.345, "text": "for instance, um SDAB rules." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4239.705, "end": 4243.445, "text": "Uh that the uh development authorities approval is to be overturned" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4244.045, "end": 4245.905, "text": "and to resort back to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4246.385, "end": 4247.765, "text": "to whatever the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4248.625, "end": 4250.685, "text": "the land use bylaw is in effect at the time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4251.165, "end": 4253.105, "text": "Uh will that be grandfathered in?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4253.285, "end": 4258.065, "text": "Because it had approval at one point, but it was overturned by SDV. So technically" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4258.265, "end": 4262.305, "text": "it does not have approval. And if this is resolved prior to August, what is August 4th?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4263.045, "end": 4263.905, "text": "What would happen to it then?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4263.905, "end": 4267.765, "text": "SDAB is uh there's a lot of rabbit holes we can go down in terms of scenario planning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4267.965, "end": 4280.125, "text": "The one specific one that you mentioned is the qualifier for the exemption would be the fact that an approval was issued in the first place by the development authority. So if the SDAB were to overturn it," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4280.805, "end": 4288.965, "text": "administration would require further direction to come back in July and reverse that exemption. So be have it be part of the repeal" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4289.625, "end": 4291.665, "text": "So when do you need that direction?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4293.085, "end": 4294.425, "text": "as soon as possible." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4295.325, "end": 4296.125, "text": "Like today?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4296.665, "end": 4312.345, "text": "If if you were to provide direction today, that would give our team much more time to go and analyze every single SDB decision that has happened since uh original rezoning for housing and cross reference uh the development permits that were issued and seeing if they were enabled by the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4313.385, "end": 4322.345, "text": "Give us direction to say that if a subs if if an otherwise subsequent decision from the SDAB to overturn a decision was made," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 4322.785, "end": 4327.365, "text": "they would be no longer included as the we can we can wordsmith that. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4327.965, "end": 4334.585, "text": "So that's exactly what I'm looking for is something that would be subsequently overturned by the SDAB" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4334.805, "end": 4346.105, "text": "that occurred after first reading of this bylaw. I wouldn't be interested in looking at anything that occurred prior to because that would be covered obviously on the blanket." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4359.005, "end": 4371.145, "text": "Um so I I guess the question is, am I gonna be able to prepare wording in time for this to be uh voted on at this council meeting? Because I I don't have that prepared. Um is there anybody on your team that can actually" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 4371.525, "end": 4372.225, "text": "counselor," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 4373.125, "end": 4389.305, "text": "there is something we must consider, which is on August 3rd, as an example, like the day before this goes in, we still will have a leg between the 30 days that community members or anyone can appeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 4390.265, "end": 4405.865, "text": "So this isn't like a one and done. Um th there there is time to give us the direction on that. For example, if SDAB overturned it and council's will was for us to come back with because on August 4th" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 4406.865, "end": 4432.725, "text": "It will be RCG as an example. And then in 30 days, somebody makes an appeal, like we're going down a hypothetical rabbit hole, and we would then have an SDAB decision that says no. We would then have to come forward for a land use amendment cleanup to take the RCG off and revert it back because SDAB had said something. So we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 4434.005, "end": 4460.065, "text": "we think we need a little bit of time to plan this one component out, if that is council's will. And we have already given notice to council that we would be coming forward in July already with a cleanup because the applications that had come in from January 1st until the date that this the maps were created for this public hearing, there will be cleanup, and I believe we can work together to do that work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4461.245, "end": 4463.925, "text": "so you don't need further direction today is what I'm hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 4465.565, "end": 4471.745, "text": "You still have time because the implementation date is even past the July public hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4472.205, "end": 4479.105, "text": "In other words, Counselor, I believe we could work with you on appropriate wording that you could then bring forward at a different date other than today" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4479.785, "end": 4490.425, "text": "to give us that direction. The one other cautional note is as Manager Lee said in his earlier answer to a question, we're now seeing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4491.125, "end": 4502.785, "text": "Files that received a decision now booked in August. So up until as m uh Dr. Goldstein said, decisions may be made up until the early August. Those decisions, if appealed to SDAB," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4502.965, "end": 4509.945, "text": "are far out. So there may be a need to come back several times if this is council's wish to give us this direction." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4510.225, "end": 4512.465, "text": "I'm just gonna jump in here as chair, and I I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4512.845, "end": 4532.665, "text": "I respectfully disagree a bit with administration. Counselor Shabot, I'd like to see some finality on this question as of this meeting. And you know, even if it is tight timelines, perhaps if you're willing to reconsider a decision on that recess, perhaps that 12 to 4 could be an opportunity to really drill down into that. I know I'm volunteering." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4533.045, "end": 4534.725, "text": "staff to to do some work here, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4535.105, "end": 4543.905, "text": "um m from my perspective as chair and I'm getting into a little bit of political debate here. It would be great to actually have some finality in the decision that's uh made here rather than the slow trickle." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4544.125, "end": 4546.305, "text": "So back to you Counselor Shabot sorry for interjecting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4548.505, "end": 4551.485, "text": "Yeah, this kind of threw me off of my line of questions. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4561.965, "end": 4562.625, "text": "Okay, well I'll have to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4562.625, "end": 4566.445, "text": "If you'd like uh perhaps I'll go to Councilor Schmidt and I'll come back to you. Counselor Shabot?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4566.545, "end": 4567.305, "text": "make sure if you don't mind." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4567.305, "end": 4567.965, "text": "Yeah sounds good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 4569.505, "end": 4571.085, "text": "All right uh Counselor Schmidt you're up" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4572.925, "end": 4574.685, "text": "Shaschmidt. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4576.665, "end": 4580.425, "text": "the new regardless of how this vote goes today," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4581.225, "end": 4584.165, "text": "we need to focus on the new land use bylaw. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4584.485, "end": 4600.745, "text": "is there anything we should be aware of as far as any amendments that we or motions arising we plan to bring that could further delay um work from administration and council on the new land use bylaw, just as far as timing and um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4601.705, "end": 4604.925, "text": "and our strategy sessions that are coming up as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 4606.345, "end": 4616.605, "text": "Uh Councillor Schmidt, from what we have what has been shared with administration so far, we don't believe that there's anything that would delay Calgary Plan or the zoning bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 4617.165, "end": 4627.965, "text": "Of course, once we get into the June 16th conversation with Council, there may be a different direction that we would hear at that time. But from out of today, we don't believe so." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4628.845, "end": 4653.725, "text": "Okay, thank you. Um my next question is around data with land uses under RCG that have been deferred from our public hearing agenda since this was passed in August 2024, including if possible the specific built forms like semis, duplexes, rows, and towns. So essentially, what should this pass today, what will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4654.485, "end": 4659.085, "text": "what changes will we see as far as the regular public hearing workload?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4659.725, "end": 4661.965, "text": "If that's a fair question to ask right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4662.365, "end": 4700.285, "text": "I can take that. So since rezoning for housing up until the end of 2025, we had 639 applications for various forms of housing that were not allowed under the previous line use district. Of those, almost all of them would require a individual public hearing. The only exceptions are when you have single detached dwellings. So if you we have narrow lot, single detached dwellings that have happened since then. And so there's about 20 of those, there's 40 of those, so about 20 applications. So you're looking at about 620 rezoning applications to enable the same amount of housing. Works out to about 41 applications for every council public hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4702.025, "end": 4703.085, "text": "Did that answer your question?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4706.665, "end": 4708.245, "text": "Yes, so just to be clear," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4708.585, "end": 4714.085, "text": "we may see an average of 41 more applications per public hearing if this passes today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4714.085, "end": 4729.225, "text": "Yeah, it for the same amount of development, the same amount of housing, uh, if you if that was to continue and continue under a regime of individual land use applications, it would have been that 620-ish applications. So roughly 40 per uh council hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4730.225, "end": 4733.565, "text": "And is it possible right now to get a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4734.025, "end": 4743.725, "text": "sort of a ballpark or average figure of how much a public hearing costs with administration council developer time?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4745.185, "end": 4751.545, "text": "Sort of what we would expect pre-rezoning, during rezoning, and after rezoning, if that makes sense," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4753.465, "end": 4754.885, "text": "with the increased workload." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 4757.565, "end": 4759.545, "text": "We would be estimating because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 4760.985, "end": 4772.645, "text": "we would be saying that exactly the same amount of land use applications would come forward that were enabled through development permits that we've seen over the last um." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 4773.185, "end": 4789.625, "text": "nineteen or twenty months. The reality is is we pr we might not see that same amount or we may see more. Um the average public hearing uh depending on the uh the length of time so if we only take" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 4790.185, "end": 4823.445, "text": "A standard one day uh could range between $35,000 and $50,000. Um that depends. Uh I will heavily caveat that. The the public hearings prior to rezoning did have uh on average 40% additional items, which would um you know be between one and two days worth of time. Um we are seeing much lower volumes uh that come to council for land use amendments right now. Um so that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 4824.565, "end": 4829.745, "text": "would heavily caveat that number. It would depend on how many were coming in as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4830.145, "end": 4831.225, "text": "But overall," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4831.425, "end": 4834.685, "text": "we would expect our public hearing agendas to grow" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4835.065, "end": 4837.825, "text": "significantly if this passes today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 4838.965, "end": 4842.185, "text": "We would see more land use amendments. You are correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4843.805, "end": 4845.065, "text": "Thank you. And then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4845.525, "end": 4855.225, "text": "we heard a lot of discussion as well around infrastructure capacity. Are we able to get any clarification from administration on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4858.245, "end": 4860.165, "text": "how we measure?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4860.645, "end": 4869.685, "text": "Infrastructure capacity when it comes to established area development, and then I will uh ask a follow-up to that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 4870.345, "end": 4874.085, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Schmidt. I'll ask uh Ms. Choi to comment on that, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 4874.745, "end": 4877.805, "text": "Sorry, can you clarify what you mean by how we measure" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4878.965, "end": 4895.325, "text": "Or how we're we we often hear that we don't have enough that that we're our infrastructure capacity in established areas can't support the growth that we're seeing. Do we have any more for data around how we're able to assess that and if it is able to support what we're seeing?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 4896.105, "end": 4954.305, "text": "Certainly, we did provide a report in December 2025 kind of clarifying infrastructure capacity status, and then we also provided a briefing in February as well. Generally, for RCG type development, our infrastructure can support additional incremental capacity just based on how it's designed. We know from a, for example, from a water perspective, our water pipes provide both potable water use for domestic use as well as fire protection. And typically within a community, fire protection is what's driving that size. And so when we see incremental population, it doesn't necessarily translate into needing an upsize or an upgrade. It's more about the built form that we see and the type of fire protection that might be required as an example. And so typically our best opportunity to assess infrastructure capacity is at the development permit stage when we have more color or more information on the type of built form that we're expecting. It's not always a linear connection to population increase." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4956.085, "end": 4961.665, "text": "Okay, thank you. And and the follow up, I'll I need to keep this short, but um are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4962.665, "end": 4973.425, "text": "Is there any estimates or information we have about costs of maintaining and operating our infrastructure in greenfield versus established area growth? Because we that was something that came up as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 4974.525, "end": 5010.225, "text": "So there has been a study, there was a study completed in 2009 and then updated again in 2020 that did do a high-level analysis on comparing the cost of future infrastructure for a more compact growth scenario versus a disperse scenario. And what we do know is when we expand our infrastructure systems like roads and pipes, it does come with an incremental cost. And so that's what those studies really demonstrated is as your city grows and your systems expand, you will have incrementally more operation and maintenance costs as well as initial capital to extend those systems further." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5011.525, "end": 5019.125, "text": "And what about data around usage efficiency and infrastructure efficiency overall when we look at uh established versus greenfield?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 5020.285, "end": 5031.005, "text": "I I would say generally we know that growth is most efficient when we get to leverage existing infrastructure capacity. And I I think that's very true for both a greenfield and an established area context." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5032.425, "end": 5047.065, "text": "And finally, zero lot lines. Uh, do they require mutual agreement between landowners and an easement that has to be in writing and registered on title, or do they just happen? Is it something that requires um discussion between" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5047.625, "end": 5051.545, "text": "The affected landowner and the landowner who wishes to build with a zero lot line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5052.945, "end": 5070.785, "text": "So in the uh example, counselor, that you just gave where it's a in an established area that's going to a zero lot line, yes, consent from both landowners is required, and yes, a restrictive covenant is placed on each title to enable the access for the other side." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5071.545, "end": 5083.525, "text": "In a new area, the agreement is not required because the landowners are not there. It's built as a purpose built zero lot line, but the restrictive covenant is also registered." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5084.685, "end": 5086.145, "text": "Okay, and I'm out of time. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5086.785, "end": 5087.185, "text": "thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5088.065, "end": 5089.205, "text": "Uh Counselor Yule please" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5094.065, "end": 5096.605, "text": "Uh I'll go back to Councilor Shabot after the queue here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5097.765, "end": 5112.585, "text": "Um just uh want to confirm some things. Um I've been telling Ward 3 that um this doesn't really affect us. Do we we had a chart uh when we first voted to start this process of um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5113.205, "end": 5119.045, "text": "by ward, how many RCG development permits have come through? Um do we have an updated" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5119.265, "end": 5121.045, "text": "chart that we can display?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 5121.305, "end": 5124.145, "text": "Yeah, we do have one if clerks can come grab, just got a paper copy here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 5124.985, "end": 5125.965, "text": "I'm sorry, I don't have a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 5126.845, "end": 5127.725, "text": "or if someone can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5127.985, "end": 5130.525, "text": "Maybe I'll run it over to Mr. Lee and then you put it on the overhead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 5137.385, "end": 5146.005, "text": "And as he displays that um you are correct, Counselor Ewell, that ward three does not have a single application that is affected by rezoning for housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5147.085, "end": 5155.925, "text": "Um, and do we have an estimated population growth that this represents of these RCG development permits over the last 20 months?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 5156.125, "end": 5169.725, "text": "It very roughly, uh it'll be about 9500 people. That's just applying what we know for occupancies from our last civic census and breaking down between rural housing and secondary suites and things like that. It's rough, but it's around 9500." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5170.105, "end": 5171.445, "text": "So essentially, we've created" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5172.125, "end": 5183.525, "text": "a community the size of harvest hills in my area across the city rather than out in the greenfield. We we have it kind of spread out through the city through this uh blanket rezoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 5183.525, "end": 5216.865, "text": "Yes, and just to caveat that, a lot of those units uh ref referencing back to the quarter of the report on rezoning for housing, a lot of those units are just currently under construction or they're in the development permit process. We have around 64 as of the end of 2025 that are occupied. So there's a large number that are, I think 840 that are under construction or were under construction at the end of 2025. And then we have the bulk of them that are actually still in the development permit process or in the building permit process. So all of that is your you're right, but it's it hasn't happened yet. It's slowly coming through the pipeline." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5217.085, "end": 5245.805, "text": "Right. And maybe touching on like what are we what are we grandfathering in? If if this gets repealed today, we heard from a resident um in Ward 7, Cheryl Sellinger, who is concerned of the uncertainty of where they are in the process. When does that be considered grandfathered into what happened before?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 5246.125, "end": 5273.505, "text": "So the notice of the motion states that applications that were enabled by the original rezoning for housing that are submitted prior to first reading of this repeal by law are qualified for exemptions. So just by virtue of submitting an application for a development permit for a use that would otherwise be rendered nonconforming post-repeal qualifies for them to keep their existing RCG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 5274.105, "end": 5278.545, "text": "So the person that spoke, I believe, if I recall, had submitted for um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 5279.225, "end": 5290.105, "text": "was it a semi detached or was it a row house? Because if it was a row house, they would automatically qualify for exemption. But if it was a semi detached, we'd have to investigate a bit further and confirm whether or not. But um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 5290.665, "end": 5300.785, "text": "That was the state of the motion. So a a permit submission is sufficient to qualify for the exemption if it was submitted prior to first reading of this bylaw, of this repeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5302.125, "end": 5305.285, "text": "So there could be a lot of people who sp who've" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5305.505, "end": 5322.425, "text": "Relying on this certainty. Um, and like she said, they they've spent over ten thousand dollars um even before getting to the development permit process. Um so I guess are we are we adding more uncertainty for for some um applications?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 5323.005, "end": 5328.805, "text": "To be honest, counselor, there is uncertainty if that particip if that particular person has not submitted an application yet," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 5329.965, "end": 5332.245, "text": "because they would not have been able to qualify for an exemption." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5333.145, "end": 5334.685, "text": "Okay. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5334.925, "end": 5336.225, "text": "maybe just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5337.065, "end": 5338.965, "text": "uh switching gears" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5339.445, "end": 5341.465, "text": "to legal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5341.845, "end": 5342.545, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5342.905, "end": 5345.485, "text": "has there ever been precedent for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5346.245, "end": 5348.725, "text": "unrequested downzoning in Calgary?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 5352.565, "end": 5354.365, "text": "In Calgary," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 5354.605, "end": 5355.765, "text": "I I would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 5357.785, "end": 5385.905, "text": "it's certainly certainly uncommon if there were cases. But that said, I do want to make clear that council has the authority to determine what districts to put on what parcels and what uses to be in each district. So council certainly has the authority to narrow or expand the range of uses that would be available on parcels." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5386.885, "end": 5389.865, "text": "Um so the question before the previous council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5390.345, "end": 5391.245, "text": "Was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5391.905, "end": 5420.885, "text": "to add uses across the board to everybody's property. Is there more or less regal legal risk in a blanket removal of uses from people's property? Like are like I feel like this is we're being asked to do something very different than the previous council in taking away land uses. Is there more legal risk, same legal risk?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 5424.105, "end": 5427.645, "text": "I would say that assuming that the the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 5427.905, "end": 5438.385, "text": "appropriate process is followed, again, council has the authority to add uses to a district or to a parcel or to remove them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5438.825, "end": 5439.125, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5441.745, "end": 5444.105, "text": "Maybe touching back on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5444.245, "end": 5446.345, "text": "uh LAPs. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5447.065, "end": 5448.945, "text": "when will Ward 3 see an LAP?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5452.025, "end": 5453.645, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Ewell." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5454.505, "end": 5480.945, "text": "The the sequencing and priority of local area plans, and we use local area plans to mean areas area redevelopment plans right now, but Ward 3 is RIS has two area structure plans currently that are in the works and underway, which would be considered a a form of local area plan. But I do know that you're meaning the other type." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5482.285, "end": 5494.765, "text": "We really want to make sure those areas that don't have any policy or are already seeing redevelopment have modernized policy in place to help growth and change. For many, many years, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5495.145, "end": 5513.425, "text": "the Riley Local Area Plan had a very large community inside it, the West Hill Hearst community that had zero policy in place. And for almost 10 years, they received quite a bit of redevelopment happening, which we would then use the Municipal Development Plan as our sole policy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5513.985, "end": 5529.645, "text": "source when we're looking at development applications. And so we're really trying to make sure that those areas that are all that are already seeing it are kind of top of of our list on the local area plans. With that though, that we know that it is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5530.145, "end": 5558.425, "text": "Kind of moving out and it would be a dream of our of community planning to get there just as redevelopment starts to happen or even a little bit in advance in some of the areas that we know have potential to see redevelopment in the near future. And so your ward, as an example with the green line in the future along Center Street, has a lot of opportunity for local area plans." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5560.125, "end": 5560.785, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5561.165, "end": 5569.365, "text": "are we so with an LAP, like again, don't have any, so I don't know enough about it. Um, but can we prescribe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5569.745, "end": 5573.145, "text": "growth to these LAPs in the inner city?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5574.485, "end": 5587.065, "text": "That is exactly the function is to guide growth and change. So it's saying these are areas as a community that we can see growing and changing in the future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5587.925, "end": 5590.205, "text": "Like with an actual number of of growth?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5591.125, "end": 5592.065, "text": "So are you meaning" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5592.065, "end": 5592.685, "text": "Like that's counts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5592.685, "end": 5593.545, "text": "to population" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5593.545, "end": 5594.205, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 5594.205, "end": 5594.605, "text": "sample?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5594.605, "end": 5598.525, "text": "Can we can we do that as a council say this is how much we want to put in this LAP?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 5599.745, "end": 5649.265, "text": "I would say we we can't do that because ultimately it's the market and it's homeowners and Calgarians who decide where they want to move. What we do when we look at an LAP, we don't, I'd say we don't plan by number. We don't just say, hey, let's plan for 15,000 and whether you like it or not, you're getting that. What we do is we talk to communities about where does growth make the most sense in these communities. And sometimes the growth is gonna be less than that, sometimes it's gonna be more. We try to be ambitious in terms of that so that we have the flexibility. So if we have a pop, you know, if we have a year like 2024, 2025, we're able to accommodate accommodate that growth, and we're not, you know, we're not surprising communities about where that growth is happening. So we are fairly ambitious with our LAPs, but we don't plan by number. We don't, you know, dictate to communities this is how much you shall accept it is. Where does this make sense?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5650.225, "end": 5652.285, "text": "Okay, thank you. I think I'm out of time. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5653.945, "end": 5656.005, "text": "Thank you, uh Councilor Shabot. Can I go back to you?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5656.945, "end": 5662.125, "text": "And if we don't mind, just um maybe set the clock back to let's call it two minutes. I I stole some time for you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5664.765, "end": 5665.165, "text": "Oh no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5665.265, "end": 5666.885, "text": "No, it's okay. I'll go to gents." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5667.365, "end": 5668.445, "text": "Um so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5668.785, "end": 5673.325, "text": "I'm not sure what the right process is. I've got a pro a bunch of proposed amendments that I want to make specifically." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5673.625, "end": 5676.905, "text": "To recommendation number four under the definitions for RCG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5677.345, "end": 5680.685, "text": "And I was hoping maybe administration could weigh in a little bit on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5681.005, "end": 5683.665, "text": "the rationale as to why we selected" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5683.825, "end": 5686.885, "text": "those particular ones that I that are included in my amendment," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5687.165, "end": 5689.925, "text": "so that council has at least an idea on why it is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5690.125, "end": 5691.165, "text": "that I'm proposing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5691.525, "end": 5693.565, "text": "only utilizing those four," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5693.905, "end": 5698.285, "text": "and then subsequently responses with regards to the other two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5698.465, "end": 5702.645, "text": "uh that are are being proposed and and and the best path forward for those ones" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5703.105, "end": 5707.525, "text": "uh uh before i i ask other questions i don't know if that's appropriate or not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5708.425, "end": 5717.885, "text": "Do you uh do you want to save time on this specific piece, perhaps when the the motion has been moved, and then we can I can recognize you on an amendment to number four, and then we could have a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5718.085, "end": 5720.825, "text": "a sub-conversation about specifically that section if you have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5721.145, "end": 5723.385, "text": "more commentary and questions about the overall motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5723.385, "end": 5725.025, "text": "and then and then the question will be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5725.305, "end": 5732.665, "text": "what happens with all the rest of the proposed amendments and whether or not those can actually be still considered on a go forward basis for future amendments" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5734.665, "end": 5737.105, "text": "I think uh Jim Hamilton, did you want to attempt that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5738.885, "end": 5740.165, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5740.765, "end": 5748.465, "text": "Yes, I I concur with the mayor. It might be more fruitful to have that conversation once the amendment is made and folks can see what we're talking about." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5748.865, "end": 5749.345, "text": "Is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5749.965, "end": 5750.225, "text": "fair?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5750.845, "end": 5752.405, "text": "yeah and so if there's no other" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5752.965, "end": 5753.845, "text": "questions" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5754.545, "end": 5756.985, "text": "I'm more than happy to move the recommendations" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5757.265, "end": 5759.405, "text": "at least one two three and five I'm not sure what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5759.405, "end": 5762.945, "text": "I will go first to uh Deputy Mayor Jameson and then I'll come right back to you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5764.225, "end": 5765.745, "text": "All right, uh Deputy Mayor, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5767.025, "end": 5767.685, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5769.225, "end": 5784.965, "text": "My friend, um I've heard a lot of uh frustration about parking, uh not to get too much into this, but it is a real issue. So do you uh have the statistics as to the average number of cars per residential unit?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5792.205, "end": 5810.165, "text": "Through the chair. I do not have those statistics with me right now, but the city did undertake a major review of its parking strategy a couple of years ago and determined that the majority of residential streets are actually not overparked, that they have sufficient parking capacity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5810.565, "end": 5823.705, "text": "And you may recall at that time quite a few of the residential parking permit zones were actually removed because they were not actually necessary. And if a street is reaching that capacity limit," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5825.005, "end": 5835.005, "text": "then the city can implement a residential parking permit area, which limits the number of vehicles that can be parked on the street." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5835.705, "end": 5838.265, "text": "Anecdotally, of course, I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5839.745, "end": 5842.005, "text": "most families have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5842.805, "end": 5843.985, "text": "more than one car." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5844.805, "end": 5847.985, "text": "But as I mentioned earlier in my response to Councillor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5849.085, "end": 5862.765, "text": "it is very hard to determine the accurate number for each and every single home because some people may only have one vehicle or no vehicles, and another home may have three or four. So, what how do you determine the right number?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5863.225, "end": 5863.945, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5865.105, "end": 5867.965, "text": "Again, when it comes to residential streets," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5868.885, "end": 5875.965, "text": "there is capacity on the streets. It may be sometimes inconvenient to walk a couple of doors down, but the capacity is there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 5876.865, "end": 5880.745, "text": "Councillor Jameson, I'd also refer you to attachment eight. There's some data." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 5881.185, "end": 5884.845, "text": "In attachment eight that may assist, and maybe Mr. Blaschuk can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 5885.185, "end": 5886.425, "text": "uh walk us through" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 5886.765, "end": 5887.345, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 5888.765, "end": 5890.425, "text": "attachment eight." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 5891.485, "end": 5892.045, "text": "Oh, here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 5892.625, "end": 5896.605, "text": "I'm here. Good morning, Council. Chris Blastrick, manager of Calgary Parking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 5897.185, "end": 5903.205, "text": "Uh so there is data in attachment eight that does show on page eight, I believe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 5903.745, "end": 5906.245, "text": "Uh cars owned in Calgary by housing type." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 5906.945, "end": 5913.205, "text": "And you can see just the different nature of the different uh types of development. So obviously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 5913.465, "end": 5923.625, "text": "You know, homes with more vehicles tend to be single detached or SAMI, and then that drops off as you get into row home apartment and another type of multi-unit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 5925.605, "end": 5956.085, "text": "Mr. Mueller spoke about parking congestion and how it's managed on the street, you know, and listening to the public feedback. I think it's important for council to keep in mind the parking lane does exist in the community to be used. Some folks, I think, have a perception that if there's anyone using the lane, that there's a parking concern. But our intention is not to preserve the lane for it to be vacant, right? So obviously, as individuals move into areas, and there's uniqueness within each home, as we know, and we get different." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 5956.305, "end": 5966.685, "text": "Parking concerns that uh get called in. Uh the streets will fill up the residential parking programs available to address congestion, and that's resident driven. So they will request that at the time" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 5967.085, "end": 5985.125, "text": "that they think it's uh needed. But I would also just point out most of the parking congestion in neighborhoods is from major generators, it's not from other residentials, so it's being near the university, the hospital, downtown areas. There's just that much more demand for parking from those uses than their neighbors." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5986.865, "end": 5999.025, "text": "Thank you for that. Yeah, I've I've heard a number before it's 1.6 per per um uh household, but I I just wondered if you could confirm that or not, but it doesn't sound like we have that kind of granular data." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 5999.025, "end": 6055.345, "text": "Yeah, I it's it sound sounds a nap ball apart from what I remember as well. And obviously it just depends on on uh the type of use. So you know I think it's important to keep in mind uh you know, thinking about the row home form that's encouraged through the RCG district, uh the secondary suites, like folks, the reason the reason why Mr. Mueller mentions it's complicated. There's just a bunch of factors going on when somebody chooses where to live. You know, what is that on-street capacity? How many cars do I have? Um I'm gonna change the amount of cars I have, you know, maybe I'm moving into somewhere that has less parking with the intention of reducing a car. We see this in the Belt Line actually. Uh one thing that's interesting with the changes we had with uh residential parking is we offered a permit that was priced equivalent to the off-street parking. And we see people who move to areas like the Beltline, they'll buy it initially, but only use it for a few months because they really are moving there because they want to have less reliance on vehicles. They may still have one, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 6055.785, "end": 6078.645, "text": "Um so there's just a bunch of sort of interplay that occurs combined with that individual uniqueness of just different property owners, you know. Um there are people in single family homes that have zero cars, so they have extra parking, but uh there's as you can see in attachment eight F4 Plus and those ones where parking enforcement usually gets a call to come visit and make sure everything's being orderly. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6079.985, "end": 6088.665, "text": "Yeah, no, thank you for that. Why, you know, why secondary suites is not counted, you know, the way uh is kind of beyond me. Um but uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6089.065, "end": 6093.865, "text": "you know maybe that's something we can we can look at as a as as a council here. But um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6094.525, "end": 6105.985, "text": "it it does there is a an affordability aspect that that ties to this though. Um because I do understand that units uh are less expensive that don't have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6106.705, "end": 6113.825, "text": "Necessarily a designated parking. And uh I was just wondering if we have the statistics um on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6114.305, "end": 6132.225, "text": "how many of those, I guess, lower price units that assume that there's no vehicle, uh, specifically would we would we know if if in fact um though those people living in those units actually do have vehicles?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6133.005, "end": 6147.505, "text": "And then you know they're they're I mean they would be parking them in front of someone else's house or in front of a business, but specifically to do with those lower cost units that are assuming uh the the residents don't have a vehicle but actually do have a vehicle." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6148.245, "end": 6148.845, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6149.325, "end": 6150.885, "text": "do you have the statistics on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 6152.825, "end": 6179.925, "text": "I um I don't know the I guess the car ownership weight rate by secondary suite, I guess, occupants. I think that's what you're asking. Um but I would remind council to like the the first location they'll probably probably park is in front of their own parcel. It's not automatically in front of a neighboring parcel. Obviously if the area is congested, that can happen. Um I don't know if uh a team at the horseshoe has any stats on that specifically." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6181.125, "end": 6181.765, "text": "I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6181.985, "end": 6255.765, "text": "I would like to point to where we do know the data on parking and no parking, which is where we have purpose-built multifamily housing in apartments that have zero parking. And so we have been seeing this in areas like the East Village. We have some circumstances in Bridgeland as well where they default to just having the required parking to accommodate loading and unloading, accessible stalls, which are mandated through building code, and any other if there's commercial requirements. And what we see in those areas is the tenants or the people that are choosing to purchase those are purchasing eyes wide open. They're often in times that already or in areas that already have parking permit programs in place. And we in a condition of their development permit, we note that they are not entitled to go into a parking permit program. As a result of making sure, so those are the belts and braces that we have, where we see zero parking provided, and we ensure that zero parking is then provided." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6256.405, "end": 6265.045, "text": "On suites as an example, the I I I understand Council's earlier question, Counselor Clark, about a point five of a suite." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6265.605, "end": 6273.565, "text": "When when parking rates are being determined, we are looking specifically to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6274.385, "end": 6308.425, "text": "incentivize in some ways that where we're only having a half a suite or one parking for two suites, that it's reflective of size as an example of the development and the context. So we if we're in a circumstance, because these are all discretionary permits, where there would be zero street parking, like it's adjacent to an area where there would be zero street parking permitted, that dictates how we review the permit. So if they're proposing zero and they have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6308.645, "end": 6312.625, "text": "No opportunity to have that, that could mean less units" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6312.805, "end": 6318.905, "text": "as an example, or further provision on site. So increasing the amount that they can put on site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6319.985, "end": 6322.125, "text": "And if I may, just to add to that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6322.745, "end": 6327.685, "text": "As Mr. Morris pointed out earlier, when suites were introduced to the city," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6328.645, "end": 6342.305, "text": "they were quite rare. And when they really picked up speed in the last 10 years, it was primarily because they were an affordable option for people and an option to supplement their mortgage payments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6342.785, "end": 6350.605, "text": "And parking and providing a parking stall or a garage on site can add significantly to the cost. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6351.205, "end": 6359.365, "text": "as has been pointed out, people are given the choice of selecting the type of home that meets their needs. And again," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6359.905, "end": 6363.865, "text": "public on street parking is public. There is no" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6364.685, "end": 6371.205, "text": "law or rule that says only the homeowner may park there, and you may not park in front of someone else's home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6371.845, "end": 6401.365, "text": "No, and I fully understand that uh how how the law works in that but but in in reality, um, you know, that's not how it usually plays out in communities. You know, people get very annoyed uh when when random vehicles are parked in front of their house, especially when they want to park in front of their own house. And I I I know what you're saying is is factually correct. That's just not usually how it plays out in communities. People it it becomes a very contentious issue. And uh I I just think it's it's um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6402.145, "end": 6411.565, "text": "It's not being given enough attention. It's a bigger issue than I think we're we're um not making it out to be. And that's my opinion. But uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6412.505, "end": 6420.725, "text": "that's uh that's all to do with uh that subject, so thank you. Um just kind of uh to touch on Counselor Ewell, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6421.065, "end": 6423.325, "text": "Will Ward 12 ever see an LAP?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6426.005, "end": 6428.485, "text": "I I'm gonna make Maester Shrivers answer that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6428.485, "end": 6428.905, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 6428.905, "end": 6464.865, "text": "Yeah, just like him, we look at the redeveloping areas, areas that have eventually. Um probably not in the short term, because it Ward 12 is mostly a greenfield community. It's mostly new communities built kind of post-90s. So we will eventually get there. But as Director Goldstein said, um, local area plans include area structure plans. So you have area structure plans in your ward. Uh Councilor Yule has a new one, that's with Natosani. So we are doing that as well. So we look at those those situations. But in terms of what we'll call the area redevelopment plan, it it might take a while as we as we focus on the areas that are seeing redevelopment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6464.865, "end": 6469.225, "text": "So you're saying I might have to be a counselor as long as um Counselor Chabot here to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 6469.225, "end": 6469.625, "text": "Wherever." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6469.625, "end": 6470.425, "text": "see an LAB?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6471.065, "end": 6479.445, "text": "We'll note that you actually do have an LAP in your area. The small uh industrial area is attached to the Ward 9" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6479.445, "end": 6479.805, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6479.805, "end": 6483.205, "text": "uh community of Carbon. So you uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6484.165, "end": 6486.225, "text": "you have a local area plan already." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 6486.225, "end": 6490.985, "text": "That's not the one I was referring to, but yes. Thank you. Thank you for that. Thank you for for your answers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6493.785, "end": 6494.905, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6497.165, "end": 6525.225, "text": "Uh maybe first a question just to follow up on parking. On if we move down to page nine on this document here. Um there's yeah, this guy. Location of cars. Oh no, uh I think it's still going, maybe? Cars owned. Next, next graph. Uh location of cars parked in Calgary by housing type. So it has the row homes and town homes. Uh and so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6525.405, "end": 6544.005, "text": "It am I reading this right that like the park off street only is lower percentage wide like like or is higher and we have actually lower on street parking by percentage in row homes and town homes than we do for single detached and duplex and semi detached there? Am I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6547.065, "end": 6561.025, "text": "Through the chair, this chart is showing that. What it is showing is, for example, in row home or town town home, parking on street only is lower than that same proportion in the single detached" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6562.005, "end": 6567.565, "text": "and can you explain what the another type of multi unit is on the end, like what that would contain?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 6571.345, "end": 6593.345, "text": "I would say sorry I can't see your counselor Atkinson or your block, but uh I am speaking to you. Um another type of multi unit, typically secondary suites, but there's also um various institutional type uses, so um non apartment condo uses uses. So sometimes these are institutional developments and things like that, so group homes and things like that, but primarily suites." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6593.605, "end": 6597.525, "text": "Primarily suites is what that makes up. Okay, that's great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6598.745, "end": 6611.485, "text": "I'm gonna follow up a bit on what Councillor Schmidt was talking about about infrastructure. Have we ever turned down an RCG town house or townhome or row home application because of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6613.765, "end": 6616.285, "text": "infrastructure capacity concerns?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6617.385, "end": 6620.665, "text": "Yes, my understanding is there is one that has been refused." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6620.945, "end": 6624.665, "text": "Okay, so we are doing that work of vetting the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6624.665, "end": 6625.045, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6625.045, "end": 6629.745, "text": "infrastructure, and we have actually turned that down in the past." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6630.645, "end": 6666.845, "text": "We had a lot of concerns about affordability during the public hearing. And maybe first I want to talk, yeah, uh Chief Hendry, if I could, uh, ask you this interplay between sort of market rate housing, RCG housing, and potentially we heard from some different housing uh suppliers sort of in the capital A affordable space around the concerns around how this might impact their ability to deliver. Can you talk us a bit through the interplay you see between capital A affordable housing and what we're voting on today?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 6667.385, "end": 6700.485, "text": "For sure. Uh through the chair to to Councillor Atkinson, I appreciate the question. I think it's really important to define two terms at the top, which is housing affordability and affordable housing. And so rezoning for housing is focused on that first one on housing affordability. So that's focused on the entire market and working to make that market function efficiently so that prices can be as low as possible across the entire spectrum. And then we have affordable housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 6700.925, "end": 6730.185, "text": "Affordable housing is something that is created, I'll call with direct intention. And so it's something that's created with subsidies or capital support or land or ongoing operating subsidies from levels of government or philanthropic efforts. And so the interplay between the two, getting to your question, is that those who are currently occupied in affordable housing, they may be able to make that leap." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 6730.825, "end": 6738.885, "text": "to housing affordability. But if that gap between direct subsidized housing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 6739.545, "end": 6743.345, "text": "and the market is too large, they get stuck." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 6744.105, "end": 6790.545, "text": "And they occupy resources that are needed by other people, and they're not able to participate in the wider market itself. So, where what is before you today becomes immensely important is that it is looking at providing options across the spectrum, price ranges, product forms across the spectrum, all across the city, that allow our affordable housing providers as well as the individuals using the affordable housing to make that jump into market housing that is now made more affordable due to the decisions that we are making today, and of course, other decisions that we make every day as administrators and as counsel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6791.505, "end": 6791.925, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6792.485, "end": 6804.065, "text": "one piece that we heard a lot of concern around from the public was this like affordability piece, and that sort of the house that was there, you know, was uh X," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6804.565, "end": 6817.365, "text": "you know, $100,000 bungalow, and what goes up in its place is four of basically the equivalent cost, uh, but in a row home or a town home. Um, can you speak at all about sort of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6817.705, "end": 6828.005, "text": "How that's actually addressing affordability? Is it addressing affordability if we're sort of just taking down a bungalow and turning it into row homes of around the same price point?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 6828.285, "end": 6828.825, "text": "Mm-hmm." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 6829.445, "end": 6831.665, "text": "Uh thank you for the question as well. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 6832.425, "end": 6932.645, "text": "I can appreciate the sentiment from those speakers that were here and represented that point of view. There's also an additional sentiment that was also represented during the public hearing of anything brand new is going to be more expensive, right? It's brand new. The reason the 1950s bungalow is relatively inexpensive is because the 1950s was 76 years ago. The homes created today, the items created today, are fundamentally going to be more expensive than older items. What is important in that discussion though is we are, and there were some comments on this in the public hearing, very economic, wonky terms, but we're creating filtering effects and we're creating vacancy chains. And what those mean in more plain English is that we are turning one unit into two units, or maybe one unit into four units. We are creating four new items that are expensive because they are brand new. But as they age, 50 years, 70 years from now, 20 years from now, frankly, based on the data from CMHC and other orders of government, is that they become more affordable. And now we have four homes, four homes for Calgarians that was previously just one. And it's why I think you heard a lot in the public hearing as well as from administration around the time that this policy has been in effect and earlier comments from uh manager Shrivers around how many have actually been built to date and how many are in process in the system. We need time for uh the affordability and for the market effects to truly take effect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6933.465, "end": 6943.565, "text": "So then is part of the unaffordability that we're dealing with today because of building patterns really that we saw decades ago, like is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6944.105, "end": 6949.825, "text": "is that a part of sort of the experience that we're having in this moment of housing and affordability?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 6950.465, "end": 6967.365, "text": "That that's that's completely accurate. To use hard data, I would point to uh a chart that I picture in my brain to the housing needs assessment that we did in 2023. And what that demonstrated is that uh if you went back to nineteen ninety-one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 6967.945, "end": 6973.685, "text": "There was about 17.5% of our population was in need of affordable housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 6974.185, "end": 6987.185, "text": "If you fast forward all the way to 2023, that number is 17% are in need of affordable housing. And that graph is astonishingly level." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 6987.485, "end": 6994.505, "text": "But what has changed in that time is in 1991, we were approximately a city of 700,000 people." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 6995.265, "end": 7043.485, "text": "And today we are approximately 1.6, 1.65 million people. And so although the need on a percentage basis is the same, the number of Calgarians that are impacted is now no longer 150,000, give or take. It is now north of 300,000 Calgarians that are struggling with their housing every day. And so back to your question around this backlog, that backlog has existed and has been growing, and it is why there was a strategy around housing that was created, a task force that was assembled, recommendations that were made, and actions, one of which is rezoning for housing, that we are taking to work to correct some of these historic issues around housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7044.105, "end": 7052.685, "text": "Would it be fair to say that the affordability that we're creating today is like generational affordability? Is that really what this is speaking to?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7052.985, "end": 7091.505, "text": "That's correct. Data from a variety of different economists shows that housing effectively gets more affordable by about 1% a year and levels out at around 70%. What that means is it takes about 30 years for something built today to become affordable to the average or the median income 30 years from now. And it ticks down at a percent every year. And so it's a very gradual process, it's a very long process, and it's something that the sooner we can start it, the better. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7092.685, "end": 7093.405, "text": "Thank you. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7093.285, "end": 7113.345, "text": "Thanks. And if I may just add there, I I think we we shouldn't forget about the suites, right? So we have about with all the housing that's been enabled, there's about 2,000 suites that have been enabled through rezoning for housing. So that is that that's immediate affordability because yes, the row homes are expensive or the semis are expensive, but the suites are an affordable housing. So that's an immediate a provision of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7113.865, "end": 7120.785, "text": "I don't know, is it big A affordability or small A affordability? I forget which one we use, but that's that's affordability that's being delivered through that rezoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7120.785, "end": 7124.605, "text": "Are you speaking to the homeowner who owns that or the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7124.605, "end": 7131.485, "text": "The person who's gonna be renting that suite that was enabled through rezoning for housing, there's about 2,000 suites that have been enabled through that process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7131.565, "end": 7131.945, "text": "right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7132.305, "end": 7132.785, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7133.245, "end": 7139.545, "text": "Thank you so much. We'll go to Councillor Johnson, and then I believe we may have exhausted questions. So after that, uh Councilor Shabot to move the item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7141.025, "end": 7148.945, "text": "sorry. Um how many of those suites were subsidized by city grants or provincial grants or federal grants?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7153.005, "end": 7161.265, "text": "Uh maybe I'll I'll ask Mr. Hendry as well, but um s those yeah, I'll have to ask Mr. Hendry or someone else to speak to that subsidy of suites." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7163.245, "end": 7168.245, "text": "By Counselor Johnson. Uh Mike Maliki, Director of Development Building, Bit Business Services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7169.785, "end": 7172.565, "text": "So we have approximately 6,300" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7173.725, "end": 7174.625, "text": "incentivized." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7175.345, "end": 7177.465, "text": "And how many weren't incentivized?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7178.625, "end": 7179.925, "text": "They're all incentivized." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7180.265, "end": 7180.625, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7181.125, "end": 7181.605, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7182.545, "end": 7182.925, "text": "That's it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7185.445, "end": 7188.945, "text": "All right, thank you. Uh over to Councillor Shabot introduced the item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7193.745, "end": 7194.265, "text": "well" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7194.765, "end": 7197.325, "text": "First and foremost, I want to thank administration for uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7197.745, "end": 7200.665, "text": "all the great work that you've done in providing us guidance on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7201.205, "end": 7202.865, "text": "um navigating this path" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7203.485, "end": 7206.025, "text": "uh to uh bring forward this repeal bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7206.605, "end": 7210.985, "text": "It's uh essentially what it is, it's it's not really a repeal, it's a reintroduction of a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7211.285, "end": 7214.445, "text": "land use district that uh existed prior to the previous" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7214.705, "end": 7215.945, "text": "land use amendment that was made" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7216.185, "end": 7217.365, "text": "in 2024." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7218.245, "end": 7222.525, "text": "Um I had committed to doing this, uh at least to bring this forward. Um we heard from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7222.865, "end": 7227.185, "text": "A lot of members of the public. We received a lot of submissions as far as written submissions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7227.645, "end": 7232.645, "text": "And I think the majority overall between the written and the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7233.005, "end": 7234.365, "text": "public submissions still" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7234.945, "end": 7239.105, "text": "is overwhelmingly in favor of us moving forward with this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7239.345, "end": 7240.225, "text": "redesignation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7240.805, "end": 7244.005, "text": "Which is why I'm proposing that we move recommendations one, two," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7244.525, "end": 7245.785, "text": "three, and five" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7246.005, "end": 7248.025, "text": "to be dealt with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7248.485, "end": 7250.145, "text": "at the same time. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7250.385, "end": 7254.765, "text": "I think there may be a requirement for us to deal with recommendation number four first." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7255.125, "end": 7258.505, "text": "Because I believe recommendation number five incorporates some of the proposals" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7258.945, "end": 7262.085, "text": "in the definitions under recommendation four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7262.465, "end": 7263.225, "text": "I could be wrong" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7263.985, "end": 7264.405, "text": "on that," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7265.305, "end": 7265.945, "text": "but um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7266.445, "end": 7270.525, "text": "I do have an amendment that I want to propose as well for recommendation number four" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7271.025, "end": 7272.325, "text": "that incorporates um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7272.645, "end": 7273.525, "text": "some of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7273.885, "end": 7274.985, "text": "proposed um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7275.905, "end": 7276.365, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7277.145, "end": 7284.585, "text": "definition uh changes that had been introduced by Councillor Dwynus specifically in regards to lot coverage, the zero lot line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7285.045, "end": 7287.685, "text": "The parking regulations as well as the height." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7288.385, "end": 7290.865, "text": "And those four specifically," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7291.325, "end": 7293.505, "text": "administration has indicated" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7293.905, "end": 7295.245, "text": "that they have been modeled" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7295.465, "end": 7297.065, "text": "with administration and that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7297.545, "end": 7301.345, "text": "they can be implemented and are supported by the development industry. And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7301.705, "end": 7302.445, "text": "this is a way" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7303.105, "end": 7303.745, "text": "of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7304.025, "end": 7307.305, "text": "implementing some additional restrictions under RCG" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7307.585, "end": 7308.445, "text": "immediately" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7308.825, "end": 7312.905, "text": "before we do a more comprehensive review of all of the recommendations under 4I." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7313.325, "end": 7315.905, "text": "But we could also, as part of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7316.245, "end": 7323.885, "text": "motion arising, that's also going to be proposed here for me, is includes at least another one of the amendments that looks at um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7324.625, "end": 7326.805, "text": "at some other things such as uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7327.445, "end": 7340.105, "text": "the front yard setbacks. And I believe Councillor Atkinson wants to propose something in relations to the uh to the density modifier uh as it relates to uh four by right versus." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7340.405, "end": 7344.885, "text": "Or or eight by right versus uh three slash six by right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7345.185, "end": 7346.145, "text": "Uh anyway, so I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7346.725, "end": 7351.345, "text": "not sure the best process to move forward, but I would like to move forward with at least one, two," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7351.745, "end": 7352.685, "text": "three, and five," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7353.245, "end": 7357.345, "text": "and to deal with four separately and and proposing those four amendments. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7357.745, "end": 7359.985, "text": "if four is the one that we need to deal with first," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7360.665, "end": 7362.845, "text": "uh then I'm happy to do that. But uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7363.385, "end": 7365.425, "text": "I think one, two, three stand alone, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7365.705, "end": 7367.385, "text": "and as far as moving forward with the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7368.165, "end": 7370.945, "text": "with the amendments and five, I believe has more to do with the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7372.545, "end": 7372.965, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7374.945, "end": 7375.925, "text": "Is that the maps" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7376.525, "end": 7377.345, "text": "predominantly?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7378.465, "end": 7381.225, "text": "Oh no, textual amendments that's all the ones that we're approved" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7382.125, "end": 7384.125, "text": "um subsequent to the blanket rezoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7384.485, "end": 7386.465, "text": "So five of course stands alone and it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7386.725, "end": 7387.665, "text": "I think it's a critical one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7388.105, "end": 7392.185, "text": "to be able to continue to move forward in a more accelerated fashion, especially in the green field, to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7392.545, "end": 7393.925, "text": "to allow them to continue to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7394.205, "end": 7398.545, "text": "go directly to a building permit versus development permit, then building permit, and and there's also the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7398.865, "end": 7400.345, "text": "the the um the the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7400.545, "end": 7401.165, "text": "daycare" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7402.105, "end": 7404.045, "text": "um uh rule uh to make it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7404.485, "end": 7407.585, "text": "Uh use on all the low density uh housing types" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7407.885, "end": 7410.185, "text": "rather than having to go to council for a land use change." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7410.585, "end": 7412.585, "text": "Um I can't remember there's a couple other ones too." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7413.085, "end": 7413.825, "text": "Um number of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7414.185, "end": 7418.045, "text": "biking parking stalls, I think. And anyways, I I can't remember all, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7418.385, "end": 7419.765, "text": "but I I do know that they were" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7420.105, "end": 7424.485, "text": "uh minor in in nature uh and uh council supported them quite strongly" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7424.745, "end": 7427.545, "text": "and they actually made sense. It helped us to accelerate the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7427.885, "end": 7428.465, "text": "the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7428.765, "end": 7430.105, "text": "the approvals process. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7430.585, "end": 7436.645, "text": "Council, I hope you can support this. Um it is it is only step one essentially because as we heard" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7436.865, "end": 7439.985, "text": "uh from many members of the public, uh there's a desire to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7440.265, "end": 7444.185, "text": "re-engage in a new process, a more" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7444.425, "end": 7474.265, "text": "focused, strategic planned focus uh methodology on a more broad brush approach uh to redesignation of properties uh through local area plans. But we also heard from the public that they wanted to be reengaged before we actually move forward with any of those major kinds of uh undertakings, such as a larger percentage of homes being uh designated by the city, uh, that they wanted to get engaged in that process. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7474.545, "end": 7500.085, "text": "Essentially what I'm looking to do is go back to square one so that we can actually design something that's a built-in Calgary plan that addresses the need for more housing and affordability and community buy in, which I think ultimately will result in lower costs because we'll be able to move forward in a more accelerated fashion. So that's my open, try and address any issues that are raised during debate in my close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7501.025, "end": 7513.565, "text": "Thank you, uh Councillor Shabot. Uh to your point here, I'm gonna ask uh perhaps legal Jim Hamilton and clerks to weigh in on how to achieve that intent of having four separate, whether it's potentially" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7513.925, "end": 7520.585, "text": "Voting on the recommendation separately as a group, whether it's an amendment at that point to delete or strike number four," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7520.845, "end": 7525.685, "text": "or if it's done post first first reading. Just from the mechanics of this, I want to make sure that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7526.145, "end": 7533.005, "text": "uh from a governance standpoint that the uh decision ultimately is not uh is is can be upheld from a process standpoint." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7534.685, "end": 7539.805, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. I'll take a start and then look to my two colleagues to uh weigh in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7540.045, "end": 7562.645, "text": "Councillor Chabot, we did we did have a meeting yesterday based on all of the amendments that we've received and discussed probably the easiest and cleanest way to do this is to move the item in its entirety and then uh do first reading in the entirety and then do the amendments and then obviously subsequently vote in um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7563.505, "end": 7567.605, "text": "On the different items, and I believe, Mr. Clerk, those items could be called separately at that time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7568.665, "end": 7570.345, "text": "Correct. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7571.385, "end": 7603.985, "text": "to actually impact the content of the bylaw, the amendments would need to be brought after first reading. With respect to amendments to the main motion, we have 1.4, if you like, set out separately here, to be called separately, as previously discussed. And amendments to that, part of the main motion could certainly be made, but uh with respect to uh the impact on the bylaw and what the impact of the bylaw will be, the amendments will need to be brought after first reading." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7605.065, "end": 7608.425, "text": "Thank you. So just so that we're crystal clear at this point we will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7608.825, "end": 7613.965, "text": "When we get ultimately to the vote on this set of recommendations, we'll have one, two," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7614.605, "end": 7617.265, "text": "three, and five and two" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7617.625, "end": 7618.405, "text": "as one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7618.725, "end": 7621.685, "text": "vote, and then subsequent to that, we'll have just four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7622.645, "end": 7626.745, "text": "And then that influences what receives the the first reading." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7627.685, "end": 7651.085, "text": "Um well the entire bylaw will be um given first reading, not just a part of the bylaw. So if council votes to give three readings to any part of the bylaw, then the bylaw would be before council for first reading. Um then so amend so in other words, amending the main motion here doesn't have the effect of amending the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7651.465, "end": 7668.265, "text": "So to be crystal clear, the intent of if it's council's will to not proceed with number four can only be achieved by an amendment that essentially subtracts what's section four is in the the bylaw post first reading." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7669.625, "end": 7677.785, "text": "Correct. If council wishes to amend the bylaw, those amendments need to be brought after first reading under the procedure bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7678.665, "end": 7680.265, "text": "Mayor, it's one bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7680.265, "end": 7680.425, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7680.425, "end": 7683.385, "text": "So if if first reading is given on the entirety," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7683.845, "end": 7689.205, "text": "then the amendments can come, and we've got amendments that are coming on on different aspects." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7689.405, "end": 7690.105, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7690.425, "end": 7691.245, "text": "and then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7692.045, "end": 7696.365, "text": "you then the voting can happen separately, I presume, on second and third." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 7700.345, "end": 7732.405, "text": "Yeah, essentially, I mean there's not just one way to do this. We think the most simple is to consider the recommendations all as a whole, and then you go to the bylaw and take out the pieces of the bylaw that you don't want or make the amendments you don't want. And then we don't have the awkwardness of what happens if four fails here, but then the amendments that you approve later don't match. So you don't have to love the whole bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 7732.705, "end": 7751.685, "text": "Um you're not trapped in the whole bylaw if you vote on all those recommendations. You can still bring any amendments to the bylaw and anything you want to change to the ab to the bylaw must be brought as amendments to the bylaw later. And I'm sorry if I made that less" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 7752.305, "end": 7752.805, "text": "clear." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7752.805, "end": 7769.245, "text": "No, I I I I I follow you. So, Council Colleagues and Council Chabot, I know your intent is to have a discussion on force separately, but based on what we've heard here, we need to introduce the whole bylaw. And then I'll look to you perhaps to do an amendment that is really a deletion of what would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7769.605, "end": 7776.345, "text": "currently within point four, which would achieve the the uh ultimately the outcome of having a separate debate on four and a separate vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7776.705, "end": 7777.845, "text": "Uh do you do you accept that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7779.665, "end": 7790.865, "text": "Yeah, no, if I may briefly, I'm I'm sorry, I I didn't mention that, but the uh the the reason that this was advertised the way it was is so that we didn't have to go through a new public hearing for all of these amendments. And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7791.105, "end": 7800.545, "text": "all of the amendments are actually incorporated into the bylaw, and so if you don't want to do it, you actually have to make a motion to withdraw them. And so my amendment to section four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7800.905, "end": 7802.225, "text": "Uh essentially is that," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7802.525, "end": 7807.045, "text": "but I thought maybe we could deal with it separately, but I I understand the process is accurate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7807.385, "end": 7808.805, "text": "that the best way forward is to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7809.085, "end": 7810.585, "text": "vote on all the recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7810.905, "end": 7812.985, "text": "Once the bylaws before us, then we can look at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7813.285, "end": 7816.825, "text": "what we do or do not want to move forward with regards to four," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7817.225, "end": 7819.385, "text": "um, which is already incorporated in the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7820.165, "end": 7825.105, "text": "Okay. And uh I have uh just a process question for uh our clerk, if you don't mind." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7825.585, "end": 7829.765, "text": "So we're we're gonna have this uh set of recommendations here. Ultimately we'll have a vote, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7830.185, "end": 7836.325, "text": "if uh council does approve this recommendations, uh we'll we'll give the first reading to the proposed bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7836.825, "end": 7839.205, "text": "And then subsequent to the first reading, we'll have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7839.465, "end": 7845.525, "text": "myself acknowledging many uh speakers on potential amendments at that point to the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7846.225, "end": 7847.545, "text": "Following uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7847.945, "end": 7862.445, "text": "All of the amendments that may be made to the uh bylaw from a process standpoint, do I acknowledge uh counselors for like final debate on the bylaws amended subsequent to first reading, or is there no opportunity to be able to do so?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7862.825, "end": 7866.685, "text": "Um the the bylaw itself" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7867.505, "end": 7881.185, "text": "isn't uh is voted on as amended, the second reading, but typically there's no debate at the at the stage of the reading. So the debate will be on the amendments, each individual amendment to the bylaw, not a debate on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7881.625, "end": 7886.765, "text": "Giving second reading as amended or third reading authorization for third reading as amended and so on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7886.805, "end": 7903.185, "text": "All right, so based on that, colleagues, uh you have an opportunity now to really speak to the broader issue here, uh the topic generally. You're not gonna have another opportunity based on how the bylaws changed in the future to kind of recap your thoughts. So now is your opportunity in a more general sense." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7903.565, "end": 7933.825, "text": "You'll have a chance on a specific amendment by amendment basis to be able to speak to the specific merits of the specific changes. But after all of those changes are rejected or approved, you're not going to have another opportunity after this. So this is your opportunity to speak in a in the most general sense to what's in here. You can telegraph what you may uh like to see added, you might like to see subtracted. But now is your chance to really speak to the broad issue uh here at hand before we go into uh uh the first reading." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7934.145, "end": 7935.905, "text": "So over to GM Hamilton. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7936.285, "end": 7949.165, "text": "Mayor, if if you allow, I'd like to correct a statement that was given to one of Councillor Johnson's questions around secondary suites. If that's okay, I might uh call my colleague up, uh, Director Maleki, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7949.725, "end": 7955.405, "text": "But I believe, Counselor Johnson, your question was are have all suites been incentivized? Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7957.385, "end": 7960.425, "text": "No, I asked uh how many have and how many haven't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7960.625, "end": 7960.985, "text": "been" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7961.245, "end": 7961.665, "text": "incised?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7961.925, "end": 7964.745, "text": "May I ask Director Maleki to please clarify? Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7964.785, "end": 7977.825, "text": "Thank you again for the question, Counselor Johnston. There have been 24,000 approxim uh south of 25,000 registered secondary suites, and 6,000 have been incentivized." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7980.785, "end": 7981.705, "text": "Since when and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7981.705, "end": 7988.605, "text": "Uh so the since 2015, uh there have been 25,000" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7989.445, "end": 7990.185, "text": "registered," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 7991.085, "end": 7994.345, "text": "and since 2024, 6,000." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7995.345, "end": 8003.765, "text": "and how many of those had incentive uh had the ability for uh grants at the time of the application?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8005.465, "end": 8006.585, "text": "Sorry, could you repeat the question?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8006.585, "end": 8012.285, "text": "Yeah, so sorry, uh since twenty fifteen has uh there been in uh an incentive uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8014.005, "end": 8015.565, "text": "No, sorry, since 2024." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8016.605, "end": 8021.065, "text": "Okay, so there's only been grants available since twenty twenty four for basement suites? Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8021.985, "end": 8022.685, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8022.825, "end": 8025.405, "text": "And since then, how many have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8026.305, "end": 8030.745, "text": "gone through the process without receiving subsidy for it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8032.885, "end": 8033.505, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8033.945, "end": 8036.165, "text": "I'd I'd have to look into that, but I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8038.885, "end": 8040.025, "text": "That's okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8040.025, "end": 8043.625, "text": "Yeah, I'll I'll I'll look into it and I'll come back with a with a number for you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8043.625, "end": 8045.125, "text": "Okay. No, thank you for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8046.445, "end": 8051.745, "text": "All right, colleagues, uh, do we have a seconder for the the motion on the table? Second by Councilor McLean. So again, this is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8051.745, "end": 8055.645, "text": "I had another question regarding this, if if this is the time to ask." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8056.005, "end": 8056.765, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8057.025, "end": 8058.965, "text": "What what is it about secondary suites?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8059.205, "end": 8061.325, "text": "No, about what we're talking about right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8061.325, "end": 8071.445, "text": "Uh I'll go to you at the appropriate point in the queue. We're just now in the going I'm going through the request to speak in the order that they're in the the team's chat here. So I'm happy to go to you uh in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8071.445, "end": 8074.425, "text": "So you allowed Shabot to ask questions before this," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8074.705, "end": 8081.625, "text": "Councillor Shabov had five minutes to introduce the item. He's been the mover of the motion, so I'm seeking a seconder for us to be able to go into debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8081.725, "end": 8083.805, "text": "but he asked clarification questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8083.985, "end": 8091.985, "text": "Uh I understand that he moved the the motion there, and as chair, I had to make a ruling on terms of how the motion was put and how it'd be voted on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8093.425, "end": 8098.645, "text": "Uh sorry, Councilor Johnson, I just have to respect the order here uh in the queue. I will go to you in uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8099.065, "end": 8117.505, "text": "hopefully a few moments' time. So this has been uh seconded by Councilor McLean. Uh Councilor McClain to speak, and again I'll remind you folks this is your overall debate for the overall motion. You'll be allowed to debate on the specific amendments as they come up, but there's not going to be a chance again after all of the amendments are baked in or uh rejected. So over to you, Councillor McClain." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8117.825, "end": 8131.665, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. And I think we spoke at length to the procedure of how this is going to unfold. I started off with that. But anyways, listen here's what I have to say, colleagues. After weeks from hearing from hundreds of Calgarians at this public hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8132.065, "end": 8138.245, "text": "Reading through thousands of public submissions, there were clear and consistent themes that emerged from both sides." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8138.545, "end": 8141.105, "text": "Calgarians told us that we need more housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8141.985, "end": 8144.405, "text": "They told us that housing costs are too high." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8144.905, "end": 8148.445, "text": "They told us they want input into the developments in their community," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8148.925, "end": 8151.705, "text": "and they told us that it takes far too long to build." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8152.405, "end": 8156.225, "text": "They also told us that the cost of building this city is simply too expensive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8156.865, "end": 8157.965, "text": "But here's the hard truth." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8158.685, "end": 8170.385, "text": "Blanket rezoning does not address any of those issues. These are issues that fall squarely within the responsibility of our city administration. They are issues we should be holding administration accountable for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8170.865, "end": 8175.325, "text": "It should not take months and years to get development approvals done in the city of Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8175.705, "end": 8180.585, "text": "It should not cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in administration fees just to build a home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8181.245, "end": 8204.425, "text": "Costs are inevitably passed on to home buyers and renters. If we are serious about affordability, if we're serious about increasing supply, then we need to be honest about where the real barriers exist. And the biggest barrier to building more housing is not zoning. It is in this building. It is in our administration, it's in our own rules, our own processes, and our own delays." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8204.845, "end": 8213.145, "text": "Blanket rezoning does not reduce the cost of building. It does not get homes built faster or cheaper." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8213.545, "end": 8229.425, "text": "What it has done, however, is divide communities. It has created uncertainty. It has eroded trust. It has attempted to fundamentally change the character of communities across our city without meaningful case by case consideration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8229.905, "end": 8237.245, "text": "And that is not how we build strong communities. That is how we build a that is not how we plan to build a city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8237.445, "end": 8246.305, "text": "We uh heard clearly from residents across Calgary that they do not want a blank approach to rezoning. What they really want is engagement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8247.085, "end": 8258.385, "text": "They want common sense planning principles and they want their elected representatives to do their jobs, to advocate for their communities, and to ensure their voices are heard when changes are proposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8258.725, "end": 8262.485, "text": "I think back to a town hall that I had in Canyon Meadows before the election," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8262.985, "end": 8270.305, "text": "400 residents showed up to express their frustration and their concerns about a multiplex being pushed mid block in the middle of their community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8271.185, "end": 8284.705, "text": "We were told during the last blanket rezoning public hearing that residents would still have a voice, but in practice that has not been the case since blanket rezoning passed. In Canyon Meadows, administration moved forward. Approvals were effectively rubber stamped." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8284.945, "end": 8288.065, "text": "Residents were told that their only recourse was to take the matter to court." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8288.665, "end": 8293.565, "text": "And that's not meaningful engagement. That's not transparency, and that's simply not acceptable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8294.425, "end": 8296.605, "text": "Colleagues, almost everyone sitting around this horseshoe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8297.045, "end": 8298.025, "text": "made a commitment to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8298.165, "end": 8301.605, "text": "Calgaryans, a commitment to repeal blanket rezoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8302.985, "end": 8309.045, "text": "And Calgary responded they voted clearly and decisively for counselors and a mayor who made that promise." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8310.825, "end": 8313.325, "text": "Today is our opportunity to keep that commitment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8313.845, "end": 8317.585, "text": "Because blanket rezoning is not how we build community, it is not how we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8317.865, "end": 8320.205, "text": "should develop our city. We can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8320.765, "end": 8322.365, "text": "and we must do better." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8323.065, "end": 8328.625, "text": "I'll be voting for a full repeal of blanket rezoning, and I'll continue to advocate for meaningful changes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8328.965, "end": 8337.485, "text": "within administration so that community supported developments can move faster at lower costs with practical considerations like appropriate parking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8338.485, "end": 8340.445, "text": "Repealing blanket resorting is about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8341.125, "end": 8343.025, "text": "doing growth properly. It's about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8343.605, "end": 8344.605, "text": "restoring trust." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8345.145, "end": 8347.945, "text": "It's about fixing the real barriers to housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8348.425, "end": 8351.245, "text": "And it's about ensuring that Calgaryans have a genuine voice" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8351.505, "end": 8353.225, "text": "in the future of their communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8353.845, "end": 8356.245, "text": "So I ask my colleagues, keep the commitment you made," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8356.705, "end": 8360.585, "text": "stand with Calgarians and support full repeal of blanket rezoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8361.085, "end": 8361.525, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8362.785, "end": 8364.745, "text": "Thank you, uh Deputy Mayor Jameson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8367.085, "end": 8367.665, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8369.365, "end": 8379.945, "text": "Well, now that the public hearing's over, uh, I want to begin by saying how impressed I am with Calgarians and uh through you know all of their thoughtful input that they brought forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8380.245, "end": 8390.105, "text": "While there is a clear majority of people that oppose blanket rezoning, there is also a strong support for thoughtful densification." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8391.305, "end": 8394.185, "text": "When and where it makes sense, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8394.725, "end": 8397.165, "text": "when communities are a part of the decision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8398.485, "end": 8402.345, "text": "From listening to both sides of the debate, I believe there is a path forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8403.225, "end": 8406.925, "text": "The path starts today with a full repeal" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8407.825, "end": 8416.825, "text": "and then taking time to develop a better approach, one that allows targeted densification with meaningful community input." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8417.985, "end": 8422.465, "text": "I want Calgarians and Ward 12 residents to feel listened to this time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8424.025, "end": 8427.865, "text": "I want, sorry, what we heard was clear." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8428.945, "end": 8436.665, "text": "My numbers are approximately 77% of those who spoke and made a submission support a full repeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8437.965, "end": 8445.405, "text": "Many also support a densification, but only where it reflects community input and respects the character of each neighborhood." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8446.645, "end": 8448.625, "text": "In Word 12, I did my own questionnaire." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8449.405, "end": 8465.365, "text": "And it was consistent. About 81% of residents said the city should not continue down a broad densification, except in targeted areas such as transportation quarters and only with direct community involvement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8466.245, "end": 8467.525, "text": "Based on that feedback," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8468.145, "end": 8469.385, "text": "I will be voting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8470.245, "end": 8472.325, "text": "to support a full repeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8473.305, "end": 8479.625, "text": "I will not support any amendments that would meaningfully alter the element of the intent of the motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8481.265, "end": 8482.665, "text": "Calgarians were clear" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8483.345, "end": 8490.645, "text": "in what they asked for, and a partial measure or increment sorry, incremental changes, I don't believe, reflect that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8492.125, "end": 8495.245, "text": "This is an opportunity for us to reset as a new council," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8496.165, "end": 8503.205, "text": "to move away from the one size fits all approach and toward thoughtful, community informed planning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 8505.025, "end": 8512.945, "text": "We don't need to rush this. We can take the time to build a framework that earns the confidence of the people that we serve. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8515.085, "end": 8516.925, "text": "Thank you, uh Councillor Clark, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8517.605, "end": 8519.405, "text": "And then I'll be going to Councillor Johnston after that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8522.025, "end": 8524.065, "text": "This moment has been over a year in the making." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8524.705, "end": 8531.105, "text": "I spent much of 2025 knocking on doors in the neighborhoods most directly affected by the redevelopment we're debating today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8531.725, "end": 8538.805, "text": "Not in policy meetings, but on front steps, in kitchens and backyards, talking with people who have built their lives in these communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8539.865, "end": 8543.945, "text": "And what I've heard there, I've heard again and again over the course of this public hearing," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8544.985, "end": 8547.365, "text": "that our redevelopment strategy feels extreme," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8547.725, "end": 8557.085, "text": "that it's erasing a community identity that has taken generations to build. And that what people sorry, and that people who live here don't feel they have a real say in what's happening around them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8558.025, "end": 8569.025, "text": "These aren't isolated concerns. They were raised consistently and thoughtfully and in good faith by people who are not opposed to growth, but who are struggling to recognize themselves and how that growth is being delivered." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8570.105, "end": 8580.125, "text": "What the public hearing has done is reveal the real world impact of a planning strategy developed here, on the fourth floor, and applied across communities without earning their confidence or consent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8580.885, "end": 8588.225, "text": "We can debate the technical merit, density targets, and growth models, but what we cannot do is ignore the consistency of the message we've heard." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8589.085, "end": 8594.725, "text": "When people from different neighborhoods and backgrounds all arrive at the same conclusion, that's not noise, that's signal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8595.865, "end": 8602.805, "text": "The application of blanket rezoning in 2024 didn't just change land use rules, it changed the relationship between this council and the public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8603.465, "end": 8608.645, "text": "By sidestepping a loud, organized community voice, we didn't just move faster, we broke trust." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8609.265, "end": 8614.985, "text": "And as the representative for Ward 9, I also feel obliged to raise something more uncomfortable, but just as important." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8615.805, "end": 8627.065, "text": "A number of my residents came forward in support of retaining blanket rezoning because they believed it was their only path to housing security, even while acknowledging they would likely never be able to access this form of housing themselves." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8627.725, "end": 8633.225, "text": "They were told either implicitly or explicitly, save this mechanism and hope the benefits will trickle down." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8634.305, "end": 8639.065, "text": "I'm old enough to have lived through enough trickle down strategies to know how this story usually ends." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8639.245, "end": 8646.105, "text": "Hope is not a housing strategy, and policies that rely on indirect benefits often leave the most vulnerable waiting the longest." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8646.865, "end": 8651.965, "text": "These residents weren't choosing between good options, they were choosing between fear and hope." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8652.485, "end": 8673.205, "text": "Fear of losing any chance of security and hope that something someday might reach them. We owe them better than that. Repealing blanket rezoning is not about stopping growth. It's about using every tool we have, deliberately and honestly, to deliver real affordable housing, housing people can actually access in neighborhoods that remain livable, connected, and rooted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8673.845, "end": 8688.785, "text": "Today's vote is about legitimacy, about restoring trust, and about recommitting to growth that lifts people up, rather than asking them to wait for benefits that may never arrive. A city built with its communities will always be stronger than one built around them. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8690.505, "end": 8692.465, "text": "Thank you. Over to Councillor Johnson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8694.405, "end": 8699.005, "text": "Yeah, sorry, uh my question is actually quickly for admin here. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8699.445, "end": 8704.065, "text": "If I wanted to separate these before it hits the floor, can I do that now?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8705.165, "end": 8717.425, "text": "Councillor Johnson, my understanding from clerks legal as well as GM Hamilton is that it needs to be gr uh it needs to be voted as one in order to have legal standing. And the intent of voting against for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8717.785, "end": 8727.005, "text": "Can be achieved by placing an amendment, which I understand Councilor Chabot will be placing an amendment after first reading that achieves the outcome of deleting number four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8728.165, "end": 8728.445, "text": "you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8728.665, "end": 8732.505, "text": "Or the the portion of number four. Maybe I'll ask Gemma Hamilton to please weigh in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 8733.245, "end": 8739.165, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. Um it it we as we said earlier, it's our preference to um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 8739.645, "end": 8772.705, "text": "Do first reading on the entire bylaw as a whole and then start to talk about amendments. As Counselor Chabot mentioned, an amendment is coming forward to number four. Counselor Johnson, depending on, and it's not my call to call things separately, I'll leave that with the chair. But if if we are to move the entire entire bylaw as one, there is also the opportunity for you to make an amendment to delete uh section four of the bylaw, which is aligned with recommendation four up here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8773.085, "end": 8773.485, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 8773.485, "end": 8773.965, "text": "Makes sense." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8773.965, "end": 8785.365, "text": "My debate is that Chabot himself said that this was brought up to prevent a public hearing. It was also one of his uh I think he seconded" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8786.145, "end": 8795.565, "text": "number four, um, and he wants to amend it on the floor again to prevent a public hearing for it. Um I think we should split that off." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8796.225, "end": 8800.085, "text": "Of the main motion and vote it separately before it hits the floor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8801.005, "end": 8802.425, "text": "And that's what I would like to do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8803.105, "end": 8808.785, "text": "Point of procedure. We beat this horse to death, Councilor Johnson. We've already said, we all know the procedure. What you're asking" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8809.005, "end": 8809.245, "text": "Council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 8809.245, "end": 8810.165, "text": "has already been explained." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8810.165, "end": 8817.505, "text": "Thank thank you, uh Councilor McLean. A couple things here. I'm gonna firstly I'm gonna go to legal to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8817.885, "end": 8833.825, "text": "just reinforce what my interpretation is here. Um is and again, is it is it your ruling or uh ultimately I'm gonna make a ruling here, but I just want to make sure council hears the advice of what we should do from a process standpoint to make sure that any decision we make is not subject to challenge." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 8834.605, "end": 8859.905, "text": "Just to be clear, it is possible for you to break off pieces if you want to. Our recommendation was not to so that we didn't run the risk of having inconsistency between what you vote on with these pieces and what you later vote on with amendments, but that said you could proceed to call them separately should council choose." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8860.005, "end": 8863.025, "text": "But it to be clear, it's not your legal advice to do so." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 8864.065, "end": 8870.065, "text": "My recommendation is to vote on them together and then just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 8870.325, "end": 8876.565, "text": "specifically vote on bring forward all the amendments to the bylaw that you want." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8876.625, "end": 8877.505, "text": "Okay, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8879.325, "end": 8897.005, "text": "the entirety of this was presented in February or whenever it was posted online, as is, and so people spent three months thinking this is what they were coming to speak about, and it's your legal opinion that we should change it on the floor instead of vote for what it is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 8900.725, "end": 8923.765, "text": "Uh through the chair, no counselor. I don't see that as my legal opinion. All of the pieces that are before you are included in the bylaw now, the advertised bylaw. So all of those pieces are before you and the public had the opportunity to be aware of them. Right. But that doesn't mean you have to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 8924.185, "end": 8924.865, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 8925.565, "end": 8931.685, "text": "approve the bylaw exactly as it is. You have the ability to make amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8931.685, "end": 8936.845, "text": "I I understand that, but I think we should vote on it as it stands, as it was presented to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8936.845, "end": 8939.865, "text": "Counselor Johnston, uh my my ruling is to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8940.545, "end": 8945.325, "text": "is to call this as one body based on the advice that we've gotten from legal as well as city administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8945.325, "end": 8947.365, "text": "Can we put it to a vote then to separate it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8947.365, "end": 8950.025, "text": "If you would like to challenge the ruling of the chair," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8950.125, "end": 8951.365, "text": "I would like to challenge the ruling." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8951.365, "end": 8959.465, "text": "so the your motion, Councilor Johnston, is I believe that the chair the ruling of the chair be upheld. Is that uh right, Mr. Clerk?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8961.145, "end": 8962.765, "text": "That's correct, Mayor. We'll just prepare that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8963.045, "end": 8966.925, "text": "Do do I sorry, do I not have a right to ask for separation of the vote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8966.965, "end": 8977.505, "text": "So based on what we just heard, uh my ruling is no, not on this. Based on uh the advice from city administration and legal, uh is there a seconder for this challenge to the chair?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8980.825, "end": 8984.765, "text": "Okay, seeing no seconder, no challenge uh proceeds. That's my rule. Okay, so thank you, counselor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8984.765, "end": 8986.625, "text": "Vote on the amendments. Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8987.765, "end": 8990.505, "text": "Do you have further debate uh on the topic, uh, Councilor Johnston?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 8990.585, "end": 8991.765, "text": "Nope, that's it. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 8992.545, "end": 8994.185, "text": "All right, over to Councilor Tires, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8995.745, "end": 9029.025, "text": "Thank you, Chair. Blanket rezoning was something I heard a lot about repeatedly during my campaign. Calgarians told me how they felt their voices had been removed from the conversation regarding the future of their community. They felt that they were ignored when they came to City Hall in 2024 and spoke out against this policy before it was implemented. Specifically, Ward 1 residents in Bonas and Varsity told me about how these changes fueled permanent changes to the character of their communities and placed strain on the infrastructure that they rely on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 9029.685, "end": 9077.745, "text": "Today we have the opportunity to reverse this disastrous policy. I will be voting for a complete repeal of blanket rezoning with no amendments. The question before council is repeal, yes or no. In my view, the public deserves a clear answer to that question, not a version rewritten on the floor. Calgarians did not participate in a public hearing to rewrite the rules for RCG, and many of the presenters who I listened to made that point very clear. We must take the time to listen to Calgarians on the changes that they want to see in their communities. We have learned that we cannot leave Calgarians out of these vitally important conversations. Throughout the hearings, I heard many good suggestions that will allow Calgary to have a clear, community focused development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 9078.045, "end": 9084.945, "text": "I'm eager and committed to working with my colleagues to get this right for Calgarians. Let's repeal today and fix it tomorrow." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 9089.745, "end": 9092.385, "text": "Thank you. Uh over to Councilor Ward, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9095.525, "end": 9112.245, "text": "Um yes. So obviously this has been a very, very big issue in Ward Eleven. When we look at the count of redevelopments due to blanket rezoning, Ward Eleven is second in that. Um only behind Ward 7. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9112.745, "end": 9124.905, "text": "a lot of the things that I've heard y you know, during this public hearing, during door knocking, during the campaign, during town halls, is is a loss of trust. Is residents just don't feel like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9125.225, "end": 9130.605, "text": "They're being heard anymore. And so my goal here today is to hopefully put us onto the path of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9130.945, "end": 9135.165, "text": "rebuilding trust with residents, not only in World Eleven, but in the whole city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9135.865, "end": 9144.225, "text": "And, you know, hearing stories from people from both sides of the argument, you know, people that were in favor of keeping this, it it brought me back to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9144.685, "end": 9155.165, "text": "my own situation in life back in, you know, the early 2010s. I I was a renter. I mean and my wife rented a basement suite just off 17th Ave that was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9156.185, "end": 9169.545, "text": "probably smaller than the size of my kitchen now. And but you know at the time that's that's what we could afford and we had to make sacrifices and was it great? No. I'm surprised we're married to be honest. But um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9170.245, "end": 9174.325, "text": "you know in in life you overcome challenges and you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9175.585, "end": 9183.905, "text": "you know you work hard to get to where you are and and even in in twenty thirteen we you know we rented a a a a suite in in Haysboro again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9184.305, "end": 9212.425, "text": "Not ideal, but you know, we we went with what we could afford and and even back then I remember you know we talk about a housing crisis nowadays back then I remember we viewed two suites that day and the landlord told us if you don't put down a deposit right now you're not getting this because there just was no suites at that time. To me, that that was a true housing crisis, because if we didn't put down our deposit at that very moment," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9212.985, "end": 9215.305, "text": "we didn't have anywhere to live. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9216.025, "end": 9238.085, "text": "Um, I think we're in a much better situation today. Is it perfect? No, I don't think it ever will be. But uh I believe that uh you know there's developments coming in Ward 11 that you know maybe aren't even public yet, but we have lots and lots of good units coming online in Ward 11. Blackfoot Trail, McLeod Trail, Heritage Drive, uh over by Chinook Mall. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9238.765, "end": 9252.085, "text": "I I as I've always said from the beginning, I am not opposed to building housing and and we're going to build more housing in Ward 11, and I look forward to it. I just believe that blanket rezoning was not the right tool to do this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9252.345, "end": 9252.985, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9254.005, "end": 9274.505, "text": "you know, uh I'll uh there was a reference that uh over ninety percent of units that were RCG were approved in the past before blanket rezoning, and that's true, but there were some that were denied and for very good reason. And now they're just getting automatically approved. And I don't I don't believe that's right. And the residents have made it clear that they don't think that's right either. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9275.045, "end": 9294.105, "text": "Long story short, you know, 24,000 doors knocked, town halls, you know, over 3,000 written submissions to council. Um, I've received the message loud and clear that people want to see this repealed. Um, I believe that there are some good amendments that are in here, but the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9294.985, "end": 9318.385, "text": "it hasn't been communicated properly, and we haven't had the time to do the engagement on these forthcoming amendments. Uh again, I I think that approving amendments that people have not had a proper say on puts us right back to where we were. And I think that's a mistake that I don't want to make. So um I I'm voting to repeal it. I I'm not interested in amendments today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9319.165, "end": 9330.605, "text": "We have work to do. We're not done and and I want to hear more from my residents to make sure we do this properly to actually get housing built quicker and more affordably. So um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9331.265, "end": 9333.145, "text": "full repeal as promised." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9333.445, "end": 9333.945, "text": "That's all." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 9335.505, "end": 9337.505, "text": "Thank you. Over to Councilor Schmidt, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9339.505, "end": 9340.265, "text": "all right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9340.405, "end": 9344.725, "text": "First time for everything for me. Uh I've written down something" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9345.325, "end": 9348.585, "text": "for the first time in these chambers because this is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9349.325, "end": 9350.125, "text": "important." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9351.285, "end": 9356.145, "text": "I want to begin with saying that people in support of repeal are not the enemy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9357.245, "end": 9359.505, "text": "People against repeal are not the enemy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9360.025, "end": 9363.805, "text": "Administration is not the enemy. Developers are not the enemy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9364.145, "end": 9366.245, "text": "Our neighbors who live beside us now," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9366.925, "end": 9371.085, "text": "or our neighbors who will live beside us in the future, are not our enemies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9372.385, "end": 9383.885, "text": "There's no system or policy perfect enough to manage the most personal thing in all of our lives, which is the place we call home now or aspire to call home in our future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9385.185, "end": 9387.285, "text": "This should be on all of our minds today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9387.925, "end": 9393.785, "text": "Our decision must come from more than campaign promises or a political calculus." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9394.245, "end": 9399.345, "text": "More than what might set us up for re-election three and a half years from today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9400.125, "end": 9407.265, "text": "Our decision must be about everyone who participated in this public hearing, about everyone who lives in our wards." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9407.905, "end": 9413.165, "text": "It must be about Calgary six months from now and Calgary six years from now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9415.005, "end": 9422.285, "text": "Some messages from this hearing became clear. People love their neighborhoods, they love the city, and they want people to have a home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9422.845, "end": 9430.705, "text": "I know we all tried to rise to this occasion, listening, being open to other perspectives, and sharing ideas with the public and one another." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9432.045, "end": 9435.025, "text": "But too often we spoke of housing like its pollution." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9435.405, "end": 9441.865, "text": "Something that needs to be relegated to places that are less desirable and kept away from places we value now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9442.765, "end": 9448.305, "text": "That's not how we build a vision for the future, and that's not how we build communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9449.065, "end": 9455.845, "text": "This must change, and I want us as a council to lead that change regardless of our decision today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9457.465, "end": 9463.285, "text": "We must move beyond a decision based purely on numbers of for or against." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9463.825, "end": 9476.225, "text": "Complex city building conversations aren't well served by binary debates or by bundling the question of whether to repeal rezoning together with potential changes to land use rules." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9477.005, "end": 9491.005, "text": "A public hearing isn't just a numbers game. It's about the content of what we heard. We must consider Calgarians who aren't able to be here and Calgarians who will be affected by this decision for years to come." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9492.165, "end": 9497.325, "text": "After over a week of hearing from other Calgarians, I don't think we're there yet." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9497.845, "end": 9505.225, "text": "We heard many submissions that wanted us to provide an alternative and wanted us to have a vision for the future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9506.465, "end": 9512.525, "text": "The structure here created confusion and limited the space for solutions focused discussion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9513.305, "end": 9517.505, "text": "So much of what we heard demonstrated things needed to change." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9518.165, "end": 9526.845, "text": "But it wasn't necessarily about rezoning, it was about things we can fix now. Parking, height, tree canopies, garbage, setbacks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9528.225, "end": 9530.965, "text": "But instead of fixing it, we're tearing it all down." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9531.685, "end": 9535.745, "text": "This policy needed a renovation, not a whole new build." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9537.365, "end": 9543.065, "text": "The frustration in the community that participated here is deep on both sides." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9543.625, "end": 9554.965, "text": "Our votes today will only alleviate that for a short time. And by moving forward with this in its current form, this frustration will grow deeper in ways none of us can predict." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9556.325, "end": 9563.145, "text": "Our hard work is just beginning. If we vote to repeal, we must come together and build a new vision for the future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9564.825, "end": 9584.425, "text": "Moving forward, we must support solutions that are future focused, that accommodate growth affordably, with diverse housing options, while respecting Calgarians with processes that make sense, engagement that feels genuine, and tools to protect the elements of their communities that make them feel like home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9585.205, "end": 9586.605, "text": "Because ultimately," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9587.345, "end": 9593.985, "text": "the only thing we must consider as a council is that all Calgarians deserve a place to call home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 9598.065, "end": 9599.765, "text": "Thank you so much, uh Counselor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 9600.085, "end": 9620.405, "text": "So the lunch break starts uh at the uh at my discretion. I'm just gonna go through the the various debates here, uh hear from everybody, and then we'll go to a first greeting uh if the uh motion were to pass. Uh so um hang in there. So I'm not gonna interrupt uh debate before we actually uh call the question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 9620.765, "end": 9622.265, "text": "Uh councillor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9624.625, "end": 9666.305, "text": "Thank you, Worship. I appreciate that clarification. Uh, colleagues, maybe before I speak to my vote, um, I should speak plainly about what this public hearing process has required of me. Uh, over the past several days, and in truth, past several months, uh, I've listened to an extraordinary volume of testimony from our neighbors. Me and my team have read thousands of submissions and have heard deeply uh deeply personal stories from Calgarians on all sides of this debate. And yes, I have been pulled in different directions. Unlike many of you, uh I did not run specifically uh on a position as it relates to repealing the blanket rezoning. Instead, I ran to fix it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9667.125, "end": 9677.885, "text": "Unfortunately, where we're at right now in terms of what we have before us, uh fixing it is not in front of us today. Today is about repeal or don't repeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9679.105, "end": 9694.385, "text": "As counselors, uh, it's our responsibility to remain open minded, to be genuinely amenable to persuasion, and I can say without hesitation that I took that responsibility incredibly seriously. But the role we serve is not only to listen, it is to decide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9694.905, "end": 9719.205, "text": "I've been incredibly encouraged by the people coming to speak because of their love of their communities. And that love takes a lot of different shapes. And people have had a lot of different solutions. But the common thread in all of this is that people care. People love their neighborhoods, and they took the time to learn about planning and to come down and share their thoughts with us. And I absolutely love that and thank every single one of them for doing it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9720.005, "end": 9746.965, "text": "After hearing from Ward 4 neighbors, community associations, and Calgarians of all backgrounds over the past several months and especially over the past many days, I've heard persuasive arguments both for and against. And what I've heard most clearly and unequivocally is the expressed will of my Ward 4 neighbors that citywide blanket rezoning is not delivering the outcomes that for that uh for them, and for that reason, I will be voting to repeal the policy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9748.045, "end": 9760.865, "text": "But I want to tell my colleagues here, members of council, that this is not an easy decision nor a painless one. Repeal carries consequences, and those consequences deserve to be stated openly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9761.485, "end": 9786.885, "text": "In Ward 4, where population decline has already strained local services, this decision will affect our ability to provide safe, frequent, and reliable transit. It will influence whether neighborhood schools can remain open. And without a clear, deliberate approach to supporting population growth, it will place additional pressure on property taxes while making the case for infrastructure investment in established communities more difficult." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9787.925, "end": 9797.085, "text": "Acknowledging these realities, though, does not weaken this decision. It strengthens it because leadership requires honesty about the trade offs, not denial of them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9797.565, "end": 9801.385, "text": "What matters most right now is what comes next." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9802.105, "end": 9814.385, "text": "And what comes next is addressing each of these challenges through thoughtful, deliberate planning, planning that supports population growth and restores neighborhoods to the vitality that they were designed to have and that they deserve." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9814.965, "end": 9844.465, "text": "We must learn from our neighbors who felt unheard and engage with them on where density makes sense and where it doesn't right now. That is essential. We've heard from neighbors that row houses and townhouses mid block don't make sense, but they're okay with they've told us that they were okay having duplexes in most loc uh in most cases at these locations. We've heard that density near transit corridors uh can be okay and that this just makes sense to alleviate real parking issues that neighbors face." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9844.905, "end": 9883.445, "text": "They've also told us that they want to preserve what makes their communities great and that they're not fearful of real community-led improvements that make them even better. So it is now up to us to make it real and to make it tangible in a way that continues the conversation about how and where that change occurs in a positive way. So, yes, I am voting to repeal this policy, but I want to be equally clear that repeal cannot be the end of the conversation. It must be the beginning of a better one, one rooted in trust, informed by local expertise, and worthy of the city we are responsible for shaping." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9884.085, "end": 9922.665, "text": "I'm saying all of this to you that we because we need to focus on those local area plans. We need to do effective community engagement that makes neighbors feel that they've had a say in the change that's happening in their neighborhoods. And we need this to not be the end of the conversation. This must be the start of the next chapter for how we make Calgary better for Calgarians and for the future Calgarians now and for future Calgarians to come. And I trust each of you have heard the same and will join me in listening to our neighbors and gathering to get to work on building the city that all Calgarians deserve, including our neighbors. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9923.845, "end": 9924.365, "text": "Point of order." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 9924.545, "end": 9926.485, "text": "Thank you. Uh Counselor Chabot, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9926.785, "end": 9936.285, "text": "Um there was a vote that was taken previously, and and I I did vote in a particular way because I was anticipating that we would be able to get through this before lunch." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9936.585, "end": 9939.025, "text": "Um, as you mentioned, I think it's important that we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9939.265, "end": 9941.085, "text": "attend the economic development" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9941.425, "end": 9942.885, "text": "function, and I'm just wondering" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9943.185, "end": 9944.985, "text": "what the best path forward is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9945.125, "end": 9948.385, "text": "I'm happy to move a reconsideration motion to change my vote, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9948.585, "end": 9951.425, "text": "but I want I I also want to have better clarity around" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9951.805, "end": 9954.265, "text": "what the timelines are that we would need to take" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9954.785, "end": 9955.345, "text": "to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9955.485, "end": 9957.925, "text": "to accommodate, continue our work here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 9958.345, "end": 9966.145, "text": "My uh my su my suggestion, Councilor Chabot, is rather than uh uh hearing the will of council that the 12 to 4 was maybe a bit too long," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 9966.525, "end": 9977.165, "text": "my suggestion might be a revised recess from 2 to 345. We'd still come back at one o'clock, have an hour of debate, leave at 2 o'clock, we'd have enough time to be there for the the core of their" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 9977.465, "end": 9982.425, "text": "uh function. We'd be able to leave there by about 3 30 and then back in the chamber at 3 45." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9982.705, "end": 9987.345, "text": "And would we be able to at least conclude this vote before we take our break?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 9987.605, "end": 9988.905, "text": "Yeah, I would suggest so. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9988.905, "end": 9989.265, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 9989.345, "end": 9993.065, "text": "So I'm happy to make that motion to do a reconsideration on the last vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 9993.345, "end": 10000.745, "text": "So I m my my suggestion, Councilor Chabot, wouldn't be uh that full 12 to 4 unless that's what uh you were wishing to reconsider." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10001.045, "end": 10004.485, "text": "Otherwise, uh my my personal suggestion at this point would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10004.725, "end": 10006.085, "text": "based on the will of council to get" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10006.425, "end": 10007.945, "text": "on with things, perhaps uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10008.265, "end": 10012.425, "text": "to revise our afternoon recess to be from 2 to 345 instead of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10012.725, "end": 10014.285, "text": "315 to 345." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10014.305, "end": 10014.765, "text": "Agreed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10015.065, "end": 10019.305, "text": "Okay, that's um we have that uh from Councilor Chabot, seconded by uh Deputy Mayor or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 10019.345, "end": 10021.965, "text": "I if I could just also add to that. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 10022.425, "end": 10025.445, "text": "as long I agree with that as long as the vote takes place." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10025.625, "end": 10025.925, "text": "yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10026.445, "end": 10026.565, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 10026.565, "end": 10026.845, "text": "Okay?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10027.425, "end": 10029.845, "text": "All right, seconded by uh Deputy Mayor Jameson. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10030.205, "end": 10031.805, "text": "I believe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10032.085, "end": 10035.965, "text": "McLean to speak on uh adjusting the recess for afternoon." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10035.965, "end": 10041.605, "text": "Oh, just an amendment to that suggestion is just let's forego lunch break and let's just go till we get this done and then we go to C E D." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10042.965, "end": 10043.885, "text": "Go get some peanuts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10044.185, "end": 10045.905, "text": "We can get this done in an hour or two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10045.965, "end": 10054.305, "text": "I believe over lunch there's a couple last minute meetings council members had with administration just for some of the textual changes. So I wouldn't recommend that, but you could attempt that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10056.325, "end": 10058.005, "text": "Yeah, we've had lots of time to talk this over." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10058.305, "end": 10059.665, "text": "I'll test the will, let's just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10060.425, "end": 10061.345, "text": "go through, plow through." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10061.665, "end": 10068.605, "text": "Okay, so first let's uh resolve the question of uh two to three forty five, and then I'll go back to you, Councillor McLean, on whether we should uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10068.905, "end": 10069.585, "text": "scrap the lunch." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 10070.005, "end": 10070.165, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10070.025, "end": 10070.145, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10071.565, "end": 10076.505, "text": "All right, so up on the the screen we have the uh adjustment of the recess. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10076.945, "end": 10085.545, "text": "uh we were scheduled to start a recess at 3 15 through 3 45, and this would just start the recess a little bit earlier at 2 p.m. to allow us to uh attend the function." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10085.545, "end": 10087.285, "text": "That's for the afternoon break." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10088.205, "end": 10090.665, "text": "Uh on this motion, Councillor Johnston, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 10090.925, "end": 10098.625, "text": "Yeah, if the mayor and Dan want to go to the CED, they have all rights to, but I think we should continue with this hearing as is with no delay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10100.725, "end": 10105.705, "text": "All right. Uh on that motion from uh Councilor Shabot, uh let's engage the e-vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10106.865, "end": 10108.225, "text": "Or to to close, uh Councilor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10108.225, "end": 10109.625, "text": "Yeah, thank you. Um so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10109.945, "end": 10121.945, "text": "thanks for that. And so my intent here is to is to not stop now, actually to continue on now, vote on this, and maybe even get into first reading of the bylaw. Who knows we might even get to second and third reading of the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10122.425, "end": 10125.005, "text": "This motion that I'm proposing here is only that we take" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10125.265, "end": 10127.705, "text": "a length, a longer afternoon break." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10128.185, "end": 10129.905, "text": "Specifically to accommodate," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10130.185, "end": 10131.985, "text": "I guess, you know, the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10132.285, "end": 10134.745, "text": "report to the community from Calgary Economic Development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10135.005, "end": 10138.245, "text": "Its intent is to continue on as much as we can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10138.385, "end": 10139.525, "text": "up until that time," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10139.865, "end": 10143.445, "text": "not to change any of the processes there. But I certainly want to vote on this," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10143.685, "end": 10146.345, "text": "and then come back at one o'clock and vote on the bylaws," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10146.605, "end": 10150.805, "text": "and then and then subsequently whatever amendments might be proposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10151.225, "end": 10153.085, "text": "But my intent here is not to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10153.685, "end": 10155.505, "text": "delay this process now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10155.845, "end": 10158.905, "text": "But rather to take a length longer afternoon break" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10159.365, "end": 10165.405, "text": "um to just to facilitate that process, uh, but still carry on as much as we can up until then," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10165.705, "end": 10169.345, "text": "uh which means we who knows we might even be able to get through all three readings before then." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10171.625, "end": 10193.365, "text": "Okay, so Councillor Uh Shabot has closed on that. And just to reiterate, Council passed a motion previously for the lunch break. It empowers me to decide at my will when to uh bang the gavel. I'm not gonna bang this until we hear all of the debate before we have the e vote on the recommendations and then the first reading. And then I'll bang the gavel. We'll come back at around one ish and then we'll go into the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10193.705, "end": 10196.465, "text": "Uh various um uh motions associated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10196.465, "end": 10200.985, "text": "No, I'm good with that 'cause up to the chair then you could shorten our break and blah blah blah. I'm good with this. Let's go." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10201.985, "end": 10210.585, "text": "All right, uh with that, let's engage the e vote on uh adjusting the recess for the afternoon break to be to from uh 2 p.m. to 3 45." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10210.865, "end": 10211.425, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10211.885, "end": 10217.725, "text": "for clarity, it is currently scheduled from 3 15 to 3 45. So this allows for a little bit longer afternoon break." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 10228.005, "end": 10229.225, "text": "Councilor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 10232.965, "end": 10233.505, "text": "Thank you. Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10233.505, "end": 10233.665, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 10233.945, "end": 10235.825, "text": "Thank you. And Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10236.185, "end": 10236.605, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 10237.445, "end": 10238.305, "text": "Mayor, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10238.685, "end": 10240.125, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10243.025, "end": 10247.745, "text": "And that motion is carried 12 to 3 with councillors Ward, Johnston, and Y Ness" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10248.085, "end": 10257.565, "text": "opposed. So just uh again, we're gonna continue through the uh debate here from members of council. We're gonna go to the vote on it as well as the uh first reading, and then after that we'll start our lunch." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10257.845, "end": 10261.265, "text": "And then we'll come back uh at at a point that's set by depending on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10261.565, "end": 10263.265, "text": "how many folks uh have further debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10264.245, "end": 10268.765, "text": "So I believe that we had just heard from uh Councilor Kelly over to Councillor Ewell, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10269.485, "end": 10315.145, "text": "Yeah, I want to start uh by thanking everyone who took time to present to us here at Council. As someone who did not campaign on any which way on rezoning, the public hearing uh was extremely important for uh informing my vote. In fact, my staff hated me. Uh, one day I would come uh come into the office after a day of speakers and say I was persuaded one way, and then the next day I was persuaded another way. Um but I think I was most challenged uh by the ward three residents who engaged on this issue. Uh the thoughtful wards three representation uh at the public hearing, at my town hall, in my ward three surveys, uh, and the direct emails to our office has made a big impact on my decision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10315.385, "end": 10379.485, "text": "I want to thank uh Jessica Berizi on day two for bringing uh a Ward III renters perspective. Uh we are seeing many of our non-market housing, rentable suites, um, apartments, habitat for humanity all finding their ways to the furthest communities of our city in areas without transit, without trains, without schools, without amenities. I want to thank uh Shannon uh Paul Palmouski on day three for detailing how your walkable life uh before moving to Calgary has changed uh with the challenges of the car-dependent affordable communities we have in Ward III that when you moved here. Uh, like you, my family lived on the outskirts of the city because it was what we could afford. Uh walkability in the burbs has always been a problem because of the volume of traffic in our communities that are siloed by mini highways. Uh thank you, Nora McGregor, on day six uh for bringing light to the density coming towards three. The cost of sprawl and the loss of wetlands. Sprawl does not come without a cost." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10379.905, "end": 10433.605, "text": "Uh if we are unable to grow evenly across the city, the fringes of our city require the attention and our tax dollars. When we voted uh to start this process of repeal, the official infrastructure deficit was at $7 billion. Since then, we've been informed uh our infrastructure deficits are much worse. Uh $50 billion range over the next 10 years. I want to thank Mark Hayden uh for uh representing the Northern Hills Community Association and their concerns with a full repeal and its effects on the Northern Hills. Highlighting the pre-blanket rezoning response to housing gaps has been filling our green spaces in Ward 3. Over 10 years ago, they converted the Harvest Hills golf course to highly dense housing, and a decade later, I still hear about it at the doors. But this uh this focus on fringed uh housing strategy uh is what we're gonna get uh if we do a full repeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10434.745, "end": 10475.925, "text": "The blanket rezoning uh has been quite effective. We just heard 9,500 residents uh in a year, and it's uh that it's been in force. That's a greater population than the community like Harvest Hills in Ward 3. Uh whether we like it or not, the previous council added land uses across the city, and Calgarians took advantage of the certainty it provided. We heard from Cheryl Sellinger from Ward 7, whose family spent $10,000 before even reaching the DP phase with that confidence that uh they would be able to build. The previous council brought in the certainty uh by adding land rights. Our council will potentially bring about uncertainty and remove land rights." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10476.585, "end": 10487.185, "text": "We are about to approve a much riskier uh blanket rezoning. Um as much as we want to call it a repeal, it's a blanket rezoning. We're just doing another blanket rezoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10488.225, "end": 10505.325, "text": "Uh since we started at Call, uh, we sat beneath this Calgary crest, a crest that's donned with the words onward. Uh we've gotten to see quite a bit of it the last three weeks, uh, and it has me wondering are we moving onward uh with this blanket rezoning uh reversal?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10506.065, "end": 10535.145, "text": "Uh you've heard uh if if you've heard through this public hearing uh that we should do a straight repeal, no amendments, that is what's before us. Uh but if you heard at this this blanket or at this uh public hearing uh that we need a repeal and replace, that is not what's before us. Right now it's just a repeal. Uh if if you uh heard that we should be amending uh the rezoning, that's not what's before us. What's before us is a full repeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10535.745, "end": 10563.385, "text": "And for me, I have to look at the interests of of Ward 3, and this is not a fair deal for us on the fringes of the city. This is not taking the uh the tax burden across the city. This is pushing it to the outskirts. And I cannot resp I just can't support uh a full repeal uh until we find something better as a council. And we can do that. We have time. We just have to move onward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10564.985, "end": 10566.965, "text": "Thank you, Counselor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10571.585, "end": 10600.845, "text": "The motion before us is actually a tale of two different questions, and we've heard that I think through the public hearing. There's the question of what are town homes and row homes, and how do they contextually fit or do they contextually fit within our communities? And then there's the base zoning and what is allowed to be built on any lot that is under RCG designation. From the folks that I've heard on in within Ward 7, uh there is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10601.925, "end": 10609.765, "text": "A real understanding that repeal does not do away with RCG zoning. RCG zoning will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10610.425, "end": 10625.345, "text": "exist on the other side of this motion here. And as we've seen with the stats, Ward 7 communities have also seen the highest levels of the row and town home style forms being built in our communities. And the folks who have shown up have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10626.445, "end": 10642.725, "text": "Vastly said, we need to be looking at fixes to the process of construction to minimize impacts on people's lives. We need to look at fixes to the built form, to to look at how this fits concept contextually into our established neighborhoods." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10642.925, "end": 10664.825, "text": "These fixes are what are needed because at the other side of this, in either way, RCG exists and we will still probably be the ward that continues to see the largest levels of the this kind of uh townhome and row home development within it. The other question is the question of base zoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10665.185, "end": 10676.045, "text": "There is still a base zoning. As has been mentioned, we are still going to a blanket zone. It's just that 68% of them will now be RC1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10676.225, "end": 10686.225, "text": "Lots. 68% of the land parcels within Calgary for residential use will only be allowed to have a single family home on them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10687.145, "end": 10697.505, "text": "And I think that that is asking a lot. In a time when we as a council have learned about the infrastructure woes that are upon us, both in physical ways by having the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10698.165, "end": 10740.305, "text": "The water main break by starting to understand the invisible missing pieces of our infrastructure that are out there as well. And then there's also the infrastructure of having to deliver our police, our fire, our transit, and having that actually have to go through communities, R1 communities, to reach folks on the edge of the city. I think a lot of the times this debate gets framed as something between the suburbs and the inner city. And for sure there is a distinction. We are seeing townhome and row home development in the inner city, unlike what we are seeing within the R1 communities in the suburbs. But really," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10741.045, "end": 10768.745, "text": "What we are being asked is we are having the inner city folks and the folks who are living on the edges of our city, the folks in Livingston, in Cornerstone, in Seaton, the folks who are living in higher density, they are being asked to shoulder the tax burden, to shoulder the cost of running our city in an efficient and sustainable way. They are being asked to take that on while other folks get to continue to live in a place without change." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10769.545, "end": 10781.245, "text": "There has been a quote that came from the public hearing that has just been dancing around in my mind ever since. And it is a question of preservation versus stewardship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10782.285, "end": 10830.945, "text": "What are we here to do? Are we here to preserve or are we here to steward a way to the future? And I do not believe that a repeal stewards a way forward for the future. Especially when you take into account the folks like that we heard from like renters, folks who are advocating for affordability within housing, disability advocates. And the big one for me is our city's youth. Our city's youth showed up and said, Where's my future? What are you doing to ensure that my future within this city is has affordable housing, has places for me to live, for has ways for me to move up the housing continuum in the ladder. And this is not providing that solution." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10832.425, "end": 10857.745, "text": "We need an actual fix to make sure that future generations are not being tasked or not being taken from. We need a solution that is making sure that we are building housing today that becomes that generational affordable housing of the future. We cannot continue to do the same mistakes that we've done in the past. We need to chart a new way forward and we need to steward that way forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10859.305, "end": 10860.265, "text": "That'll close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10862.925, "end": 10866.905, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Atkinson. Any other uh lights for debate for this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10869.425, "end": 10873.525, "text": "All right, uh seeing none, I'll I'll just uh jump in briefly. I'll I want to thank" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10874.025, "end": 10897.765, "text": "uh everyone who came down to City Hall, everyone who wrote in, followed along. Uh thank you, Council Colleagues, for bearing with me as chair as I manage something like 110 uh different panels. Uh uh I think we're we're all united here in saying that uh the vast majority of Calgarians that we heard from uh were sharing some very thoughtful ideas and really deep love for the communities and for Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10898.205, "end": 10906.045, "text": "I think that that's really local democracy at works at work. And I think it's it's something that I'm certainly going to remember as a highlight of uh my time as mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10906.645, "end": 10915.725, "text": "Uh what I heard through the hearing, and in to a great extent as well in the election before that, was many Calgaryans felt with the previous decision" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10916.105, "end": 10923.025, "text": "uh to adopt the blanket rezoning that it had created uncertainty and had really broke trust in the planning process. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10923.305, "end": 10928.545, "text": "myself having been at a lot of the same doors as uh everyone else, uh what you heard was the what." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10928.745, "end": 10934.305, "text": "But more deeply and more foundationally was very much the the how of how that decision was made. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10934.725, "end": 10936.585, "text": "many Calgarians felt that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10937.185, "end": 10945.145, "text": "something as significant as this had happened too quickly and without the communities feeling fully part of the conversation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10945.505, "end": 10952.425, "text": "And again and again we heard through the uh public hearing a desire from folks asking for a reset and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10952.685, "end": 10960.905, "text": "It's for that reason that I, for my part, I will be supporting the repeal as a process to most importantly to for us to be able to begin" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10961.165, "end": 10963.325, "text": "restoring trust. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10963.565, "end": 10968.885, "text": "that certainly aligns with the commitment that I made during the campaign to repeal and replace blanket rezoning and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10969.225, "end": 10970.585, "text": "restore certainty in planning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10971.005, "end": 10978.285, "text": "Uh I want to say uh as well to some of my colleagues who mentioned this previously, at the same time, one of the things that resonated with me the most" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10978.645, "end": 10986.365, "text": "was during this hearing, hearing from younger Calgarians. Many spoke about how hard it's become to find a place to live in the city they love." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10986.845, "end": 10991.845, "text": "They talked about uh wanting the chance to be able to build a life here, to rent their first apartment," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10991.985, "end": 10996.505, "text": "uh, to buy their first home, to stay close to their aging parents." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 10996.685, "end": 11000.065, "text": "And their voices really matter, and it's for that reason that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 11000.545, "end": 11007.985, "text": "I am not fully satisfied with what's before us. Uh I if I was thinking about 10 years ago my first time as a member of council," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 11008.305, "end": 11018.145, "text": "I probably would not have wanted to support this because I don't feel like it would be good enough. I campaigned on repeal and replace. This isn't a wholesome replacement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 11018.605, "end": 11025.185, "text": "But what I've learned in my time since, uh, in nonprofit leadership and even in my short time with all of you as mayor," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 11025.505, "end": 11033.885, "text": "is the the need for compromise. We we know that in the medium term, uh Calgar Calgary needs more homes. We need more housing choices." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 11034.045, "end": 11124.785, "text": "And our strategy around that needs to be enabling the the density and growth in a more thoughtful and targeted way. It means focusing uh new housing near transit stations, major corridors, encouraging missing middle housing like townhomes, row houses, and to uh what's that's been sort of beaten to death more local area plans that actually in involve the community in shaping their neighborhoods. Uh I am more than willing to support this as a compromise, despite the fact that it doesn't deliver everything that I'm looking for, because I'm confident that we've already begun uh laying the groundwork. We've unf we've funded unprecedented levels of affordable housing from a capital and land standpoint. Council, uh, you had the good grace to support a significant stepping up in our investment of our chief housing office. Uh that's uh under Mr. Hendry's leadership going to help continue to drive some incredible housing solutions across the city. So despite the fact that uh this doesn't get me everything that I want and everything that I think Calgarians need, uh beginning that process to repeal uh is is critically important to be able to restore the trust that Calgarians have in the overall process. And my central message is that Calgary can grow. We're gonna continue to grow. We've got to continue to welcome new neighbors. We have to remain a city where the next generation has a real chance to call it home. So, Councilor Kelly, your argument uh compelled me and uh persuaded me the most. This is very much the start and not the end to that journey. So, with that, uh over to Councillor Chabot uh to take us home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11130.165, "end": 11132.065, "text": "I'm gonna have to use Councilor Weiness's mic again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11132.345, "end": 11132.805, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11132.965, "end": 11136.605, "text": "Well uh first and foremost, I'm I want to thank members of council for your" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11137.185, "end": 11139.945, "text": "your thoughtful debate around this matter and and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11140.365, "end": 11140.705, "text": "you're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11141.065, "end": 11143.825, "text": "you're right, this is this is not the end. This is the beginning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11144.365, "end": 11146.165, "text": "Um it's it's the end of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11146.405, "end": 11147.805, "text": "Of a process to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11148.125, "end": 11149.725, "text": "go back and rethink" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11150.265, "end": 11152.685, "text": "our decision on how best" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11152.925, "end": 11156.485, "text": "to address all of these issues on a made in Calgary" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11156.785, "end": 11159.365, "text": "solution and made in Calgary method." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11159.785, "end": 11163.385, "text": "It's something that I had proposed in the initial blanket rezoning" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11163.605, "end": 11169.205, "text": "that we look at a different process, that we don't blanket the entire city with the same brush," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11169.445, "end": 11172.325, "text": "because there are places where it makes sense and places where it doesn't." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11172.685, "end": 11177.445, "text": "I think we can all agree that in order to move forward with a more sustainable city," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11177.725, "end": 11182.845, "text": "that we need to increase the intensity of use within our boundaries, within our borders." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11183.125, "end": 11187.925, "text": "I think everyone agrees with that. The process that has been implemented" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11188.345, "end": 11196.445, "text": "was not overly successful in achieving that because it created so much animosity within the community and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11196.925, "end": 11207.925, "text": "so many challenges with regards to appeals and challenges to our bylaw that it actually increased the cost of many of these housings because of some of these appeals." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11208.385, "end": 11209.065, "text": "I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11209.485, "end": 11212.305, "text": "a better solution is something that the community can buy into" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11212.925, "end": 11221.585, "text": "so that we can move forward in a more efficient way, which will actually contribute to affordability. It'll also contribute to the bottom line as far as" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11221.965, "end": 11223.765, "text": "increase in tax revenue generation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11224.205, "end": 11228.765, "text": "There's a lot of things that I think we could look at as far as how to make this better," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11229.245, "end": 11232.865, "text": "but it it means that we're gonna have to dig in, we're gonna have to do a lot of work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11233.125, "end": 11233.885, "text": "This isn't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11234.405, "end": 11236.445, "text": "that the process that was done was not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11237.265, "end": 11240.385, "text": "was was very efficient in in its implementation," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11240.605, "end": 11245.065, "text": "but not effective in its outcome. I think we need to spend more time" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11245.245, "end": 11249.925, "text": "in ensuring that we have a good process that will save a lot more time" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11250.365, "end": 11255.045, "text": "over the long term. It may take more time to get it right in the first place," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11255.265, "end": 11258.005, "text": "but ultimately I think it'll serve our city better in the long term." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11258.345, "end": 11260.545, "text": "So, Council, I hope you can support this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11260.745, "end": 11263.545, "text": "And just to be clear on recommendation number four," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11263.905, "end": 11266.485, "text": "this isn't the time to vote vote that one down." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11267.045, "end": 11267.645, "text": "Because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11267.985, "end": 11269.145, "text": "the way it's been written," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11269.425, "end": 11273.025, "text": "number four is incorporated in the bylaw. If there's something you don't like," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11273.625, "end": 11276.985, "text": "the time to take that out is before second reading, not now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11277.985, "end": 11290.805, "text": "Before second reading is when you have a chance to actually take it out. And that's part of my motion is to take everything out except for a few. And if you don't like those few, you can vote to take those out as well. Just saying." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11291.265, "end": 11291.805, "text": "I'm closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 11295.585, "end": 11300.045, "text": "All right. Uh with that, Mr. Clerk, let's please uh engage the vote on the recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 11322.865, "end": 11324.065, "text": "Counselor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 11325.105, "end": 11325.785, "text": "I'm a yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 11326.525, "end": 11328.545, "text": "Thank you. And Mayor vote Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 11328.605, "end": 11328.945, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 11329.245, "end": 11330.165, "text": "Mayor, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 11330.425, "end": 11332.025, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 11335.705, "end": 11343.005, "text": "And that motion has carried uh 12 to 3 with Councillor Schmidt, Atkinson, and Yule opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 11345.205, "end": 11348.585, "text": "All right. Uh I am now going to go to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 11349.625, "end": 11354.805, "text": "first reading of bylaw 9P 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 11355.505, "end": 11358.645, "text": "Counselors uh Ewell, Schmidt, and Atkinson are opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 11359.265, "end": 11361.585, "text": "All right, with that, uh, we will come back." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 11362.105, "end": 11367.405, "text": "Counselor, I'm gonna suggest 115. We'll just squeeze our uh lunch break a little bit uh shorter here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 11367.745, "end": 11372.505, "text": "And then I'll be going to uh acknowledge various folks uh on amendments to the the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14731.005, "end": 14734.905, "text": "Welcome back to Calgary City Council. Uh Mr. Clerk, would you please call the roll?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14735.225, "end": 14736.845, "text": "Thank you. On the roll, Councillor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14737.685, "end": 14738.425, "text": "Councilor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14739.145, "end": 14739.845, "text": "Counselor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14740.805, "end": 14741.225, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14741.585, "end": 14742.105, "text": "Counselor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14744.225, "end": 14744.625, "text": "Counselor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14745.585, "end": 14746.645, "text": "sorry, Counselor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14747.225, "end": 14749.005, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14749.445, "end": 14749.745, "text": "Here it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14749.905, "end": 14750.305, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14750.785, "end": 14751.505, "text": "Councilor McLean?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 14752.445, "end": 14752.725, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14753.125, "end": 14753.905, "text": "Counselor Johnston?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 14754.625, "end": 14754.825, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14755.345, "end": 14756.045, "text": "Counselor Tyres?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14756.765, "end": 14757.045, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14757.265, "end": 14758.265, "text": "Counselor Yaness." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14759.945, "end": 14760.205, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14760.925, "end": 14763.525, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Councillor Yaness. Counselor Yule?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 14763.665, "end": 14763.865, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14764.205, "end": 14764.845, "text": "Counselor Kelly?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 14765.225, "end": 14765.585, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14765.765, "end": 14766.485, "text": "Counselor Dollywell?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14766.985, "end": 14768.065, "text": "Counselor Penzopoulos?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14768.705, "end": 14769.565, "text": "Counselor Atkinson?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 14769.685, "end": 14769.785, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14769.785, "end": 14769.965, "text": "Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14770.225, "end": 14771.125, "text": "And Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14771.645, "end": 14772.125, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 14772.225, "end": 14772.685, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14773.945, "end": 14777.245, "text": "All right. Uh we last uh left off" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14778.465, "end": 14793.025, "text": "having given first reading. I had committed previously to acknowledge Councillor Chabot first on that uh number four piece. So I'm going to ask everyone who may have potential amendments to please just go RTS in the uh queue and I'll attempt to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14793.665, "end": 14797.705, "text": "Uh acknowledge you in the order that they're in the queue. But first on uh that piece, Councilor Shabon." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14798.745, "end": 14800.965, "text": "Uh thank you, uh Mayor. So um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14801.465, "end": 14803.905, "text": "members of council, you'll notice that it's my" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14804.405, "end": 14807.265, "text": "L M N O P uh amendment minus the L." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14808.325, "end": 14812.385, "text": "It's K L. It's K M N O P is what I'm proposing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14812.665, "end": 14814.625, "text": "Amendments to the recommendation number four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14815.205, "end": 14817.865, "text": "And this is kind of a weird one because it's a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14818.265, "end": 14819.125, "text": "um I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14819.465, "end": 14820.965, "text": "my motion is to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14821.245, "end": 14822.525, "text": "not do the amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14823.365, "end": 14832.585, "text": "That are in the bylaw with the exception of KMNOP. So my first motion is to like the first operative part of my motion is to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14833.045, "end": 14835.565, "text": "uh withdraw all those amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14836.125, "end": 14847.125, "text": "And with the exception of, so if you don't like any of the amendments, then then you might want to amend my motion, which is to not exclude KMNOP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14847.585, "end": 14853.905, "text": "But the first motion, if you don't like any of the amendments, you should support the first operative cause which clause, which is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14854.405, "end": 14854.865, "text": "To" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14855.405, "end": 14857.705, "text": "uh not do these amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14859.445, "end": 14862.865, "text": "It's weird because the amendments amendments are already baked into the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14863.525, "end": 14864.545, "text": "So if you don't want them," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14865.245, "end": 14865.745, "text": "you have to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14866.085, "end": 14867.145, "text": "you have to remove them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14868.245, "end": 14869.825, "text": "So what I'm saying is remove them all," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14870.545, "end": 14871.665, "text": "except for those four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14873.465, "end": 14875.165, "text": "So I'm not sure if that's clear enough for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14875.165, "end": 14884.005, "text": "Yeah, I I had a conversation over the lunch hour where uh some members of the coun council asked if it's an amendment, does that mean addition? No, amendment simply is a word that means change." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14884.385, "end": 14887.425, "text": "So you can amend something by subtraction, which is what uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14888.125, "end": 14890.365, "text": "is before us. Do we have a seconder for this amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14891.345, "end": 14892.945, "text": "Second by uh Councillor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14893.285, "end": 14896.845, "text": "Just so that we are extremely crystal clear, could we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14897.125, "end": 14900.445, "text": "put up on the screen what sections 4A through J" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14900.745, "end": 14913.105, "text": "and I'm gonna go through them all individually and uh if you if I may. So K K is to reduce the maximum uh lot coverage to 55% versus 60% that it currently is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14913.605, "end": 14916.865, "text": "M is the zero lot line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14918.845, "end": 14919.845, "text": "N" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14920.445, "end": 14921.285, "text": "is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14923.065, "end": 14926.105, "text": "I didn't write it down. Oh yeah, from 11 meters to 10 meters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14926.465, "end": 14940.605, "text": "O also applies to that, which is 11 meters to 10 meters. And P is the is all of the different communities that will be uh excluded from the point five." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14940.845, "end": 14967.205, "text": "Parking requirement. So if this doesn't pass, then every RCG citywide will be allowed a 50% parking relaxation. So that's why I'm I'm saying let's do that one because that one limits every community outside of the core uh to one per for each for each unit. And that includes secondary suites, just so everyone's clear. So if you have an eight unit, you have to have eight parking stalls on site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14968.245, "end": 15000.785, "text": "Administration can correct me on that if I'm if I'm wrong, but that's my understanding of it. Um the the reason the the the other is considered a 50% parking relaxation is because you only need to provide parking for the main dwellings and not for the secondary suites. And so if we didn't if if counselor wyness had not proposed this and we had done a complete reversal on the blanket zoning and we would have gone back to the original definition of RCG, the original RCG definition is one parking stall per unit, but only counting the main units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15001.625, "end": 15016.165, "text": "So, this amendment for by Councillor Wynus, I think, is important if you want to retain that one-to-one parking requirement in the outlying areas, which is why I've excluded it from the deletions. So I'm saying let's not do all of these. Let's go back and test them all," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15016.345, "end": 15024.105, "text": "with the exception of these four, because these have already been tested by administration with uh with the industry and they think they can actually deliver." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15024.825, "end": 15025.485, "text": "That's my open." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15026.045, "end": 15033.885, "text": "Thank you. On that, could I go quickly to administration just to summarize for council here what the impact of this amendment is?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15035.445, "end": 15037.085, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15040.425, "end": 15053.445, "text": "Yeah, I can speak to that. So those amendments that are being proposed to be kept in today, so the uh zero lot line rule, height, uh I'm blanking on the other two that were included." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15054.425, "end": 15064.485, "text": "Lot coverage. Thank you, counselor. Uh yes, correct. We have we have looked at those, we've done some testing, uh, and we have heard from those in the development industry, and and we are comfortable with moving forward with those today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15065.265, "end": 15076.065, "text": "Could you just recapture what the impact of this is, however, not your recommendation, but uh the plain words of what the change is that uh Councilor Chabot's amendment is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15076.125, "end": 15077.705, "text": "Uh certainly so uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15078.305, "end": 15095.105, "text": "In terms of the zero lotline rule, it would not allow zero lotline development in the RCG district. To date, I don't think we've seen any of that type of development. Zero lot line development is found in the new communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15096.405, "end": 15117.465, "text": "In terms of building height, it would lower the overall building height in the RCG district from 11 to 10 meters. We have found that to be a low impact change. And then similarly, with uh the reduction in lot coverage, uh, yes, that would reduce uh the amount of uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15118.305, "end": 15124.465, "text": "Building that could be could be developed on a parcel, but uh we feel that is is minimal impact as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15126.165, "end": 15128.085, "text": "Jim Hamilton, did you want to weigh in as well?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15128.965, "end": 15159.825, "text": "I think it would be prudent, Mayor. Thank you, just to make a, if I may, signal Councillor Chabot that there is a related motion arising that would come that would direct the remainder of the items to for administration to review through the zoning bylaw or for further testing, as well as potentially another one to be tested right away. So the ones that are before you here have been tested and can go for it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15161.085, "end": 15165.145, "text": "Okay, so I'm gonna attempt to go through my uh speaker's cue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15165.665, "end": 15169.385, "text": "Councilor Wines, I believe you're on a different amendment that you're looking to place." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15170.885, "end": 15172.725, "text": "Correct. That RTS is for my amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15172.805, "end": 15174.825, "text": "Uh going to Councillor Johnston, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15175.345, "end": 15181.065, "text": "Yeah, so I'd like to amend Chabot's amendment and eliminate all" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15182.385, "end": 15184.785, "text": "aspects of that number four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15185.345, "end": 15186.125, "text": "Entirety." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15190.005, "end": 15195.725, "text": "If you could just speak uh and summarize what you understand the impact of that to be compared to what Councillor Shabot is placing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15196.725, "end": 15203.625, "text": "Well, he mentioned it himself that we have the opportunity to eliminate it as a whole, as to eliminate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15204.005, "end": 15210.605, "text": "number four in its entirety, instead of just picking and choosing items out of that amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15211.545, "end": 15212.005, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15212.805, "end": 15215.225, "text": "Could you describe in plain words what your intent is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15217.105, "end": 15219.045, "text": "in terms of what Councilor Shabot is leaving in?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15219.605, "end": 15226.705, "text": "Uh if you could speak to why you would like to have that left out. Just I I'm sorry I'm being a bit obtuse here. I just from a process standpoint." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15227.005, "end": 15229.885, "text": "I think council members need to be crystal clear on what we're voting on," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15230.225, "end": 15232.245, "text": "as well as members of the public uh following." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15234.825, "end": 15236.245, "text": "Uh first you'll need a seconder for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15236.845, "end": 15238.005, "text": "do I have a secondary?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15239.645, "end": 15241.125, "text": "Second by uh Counselor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15241.525, "end": 15241.965, "text": "Perfect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15242.565, "end": 15243.865, "text": "Um yeah, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15244.265, "end": 15276.365, "text": "For me, this was a confusing part of this entire process. I think this should go back to and the problem is I agree with a lot of the stuff on here. I just don't think this is the right place and time to be voting on any of these amendments or the parts of this amendment. I think we can come back with something better and stronger than what's proposed, including the one-to-one, including the height, including every aspect of it should be coming back to council through a proper individualistic public hearing based on this alone, not something tied in with blanket rezoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 15276.785, "end": 15282.845, "text": "So I would just say just eliminate eliminate it all and come back with something better than what's proposed right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15283.545, "end": 15286.825, "text": "So could I ask perhaps the clerks just to display on the screen" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15287.205, "end": 15290.965, "text": "if we could maybe have it highlighted for us in yellow what uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15292.445, "end": 15293.985, "text": "that those specific bullets were?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 15296.865, "end": 15298.425, "text": "We'll bring that up on the screen, just telling them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15303.165, "end": 15306.865, "text": "Do we have anyone else on the amendment to the amendment? Uh Counselor Tyrers? Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 15307.885, "end": 15322.645, "text": "Yeah, I agree with that. Um, as described before, uh the public, through hours and hours of hearing their presentations, did not understand what the changes to RCG were." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 15323.365, "end": 15348.425, "text": "You can say it was in front of us all you want, but it was they were sent to a website that nobody went to. They came here to discuss repealing blanket rezoning, and they weren't discussing the changes to RCG. Like Counselor Johnson said, like there are a lot of actually really good ideas here, but I agree with him. Like, this is not the right place to do it. Let's like, can we defer these ideas to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15348.425, "end": 15349.885, "text": "I'll address that in my colleagues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15350.705, "end": 15353.485, "text": "Well, I'll uh just let uh Councilor Tyrus speak, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 15354.185, "end": 15380.605, "text": "Um if we can bring this forward to administration so they can consider it when they're bringing forward the new uh land use bylaw with Calgary with the Calgary plan, that would be wonderful. But right now, um Calgarians don't understand what this is, and we're falling into the same errors of previous councils, which is creating policy on the floor and let let's create it, let's create it later." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15382.665, "end": 15384.545, "text": "Okay, over to Councilor Schmidt, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 15385.645, "end": 15386.545, "text": "Uh yes, I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 15387.865, "end": 15390.105, "text": "I can two two things here. First off," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 15391.185, "end": 15402.645, "text": "I do support eliminating it in its entirety because we're now in a position where these individual applications will be coming back to council on a case by case basis. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 15403.705, "end": 15407.985, "text": "We can determine through the land use hearing if what's being proposed" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 15408.725, "end": 15422.825, "text": "is appropriate in most cases. I mean, certainly it would catch some where we don't have a concurrent development permit that shows all of the details, but certainly we'll have an idea. And so going back to RCG as it was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 15423.705, "end": 15425.725, "text": "is a stronger" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 15426.445, "end": 15433.865, "text": "land use form than the current version of RCG we had now. So I think this is actually." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 15434.285, "end": 15435.985, "text": "A positive. However," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 15436.565, "end": 15452.225, "text": "on my second point, if this doesn't pass, I would still support Councillor Chabot's amendment because it uh took a thoughtful approach to some of those changes and allows us to um address those things at a later" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 15453.045, "end": 15458.005, "text": "uh at the other parts of it at a later time once they've been tested. So either way, I'm good on both." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15459.045, "end": 15460.265, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Ward, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 15461.065, "end": 15469.505, "text": "Yeah, just quickly, I I sent out about a hundred text messages last night to residents of Ward Eleven about exactly this, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 15470.565, "end": 15474.385, "text": "bluntly speaking, people are just so confused about this that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 15474.905, "end": 15480.065, "text": "I I I just feel it's somewhat irresponsible to make this decision when people" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 15480.345, "end": 15482.125, "text": "don't even understand it. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 15482.645, "end": 15483.365, "text": "that's all I'll say." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15484.885, "end": 15491.225, "text": "Counselor Ward, could I ask if I'm I'm not supposed to editorialize, but were you were you speaking in favor of the amendment or not?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 15492.385, "end": 15499.885, "text": "See, now we're so confused. Even I'm confused. Uh I'm speaking against the um sorry, in favor of the amendment to the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15499.885, "end": 15501.125, "text": "I apologize for putting you on the screen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 15501.125, "end": 15502.525, "text": "I should have made that clear. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15504.545, "end": 15508.405, "text": "Anyone else on the amendment to the amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15509.345, "end": 15512.765, "text": "Counselor Dallywell, please. Or sorry, uh Counselor Buynes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15512.905, "end": 15513.085, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15515.625, "end": 15563.625, "text": "Thanks. Uh I do not support Councilor Johnson's amendment to the amendment. We heard a lot about parking concerns. And if we we as a council do not set the definitions now, you will see less parking on the RCG applications that will be presented to council. That is very problematic for what Calgarians have spoken to. Some may like that, but at the same time, that is not what we spent the last two weeks listening to. Yes, Calgarians may be confused, but it is our job as council to understand what is before us and to write the direction. If it's going to take massive public hearings to do everything separately and we're spending two weeks just to make one change, that is very problematic for the city and very problematic for providing housing. So I do not support this amendment to the amendment, and I prefer to support Councillor Chabot's amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15568.365, "end": 15570.005, "text": "Uh Counselor Dallywell, you're in?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15570.665, "end": 15573.425, "text": "Thank you. It's just so money up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15574.545, "end": 15575.405, "text": "Let's go back." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15576.125, "end": 15581.185, "text": "Um administration. Can we can I can you please clarify once again?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15582.825, "end": 15594.345, "text": "Original RCG that was in the old bylaw that just got repealed. Can you tell us what were the rules of RCG in there? Height, setback, number of units, all that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15594.565, "end": 15595.125, "text": "quickly?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15597.445, "end": 15611.005, "text": "Uh those rules are in in in RCG, correct? I think what the discussion is centering on is what will RCG look like if part four of this proposed bylaw is deleted or amended? I believe that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15611.005, "end": 15618.285, "text": "No, I just want to understand. Uh RCG right as it is right now, if this doesn't go through, uh, four units, four by four," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15618.925, "end": 15623.065, "text": "on a on a corner lot, 0.5 parking stall per unit," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15623.065, "end": 15623.485, "text": "correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15623.485, "end": 15626.985, "text": "uh primary unit, uh, 11 meters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15627.445, "end": 15627.925, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15628.245, "end": 15628.685, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15629.145, "end": 15631.665, "text": "that amendment is trying to reduce," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15631.805, "end": 15633.605, "text": "and the coverage is 60 percent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15634.685, "end": 15643.965, "text": "Maximum density 75 units per hectare. This amendment that Council Chabot was saying, bringing it down to 10 meters, bringing it down to one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15644.165, "end": 15645.605, "text": "parking stall per unit," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15645.985, "end": 15647.805, "text": "Outside of those areas in the parking space." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15647.805, "end": 15655.225, "text": "5% rod coverage, changing the rules. That's great. This amendment will take us back to what is already there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15655.245, "end": 15668.885, "text": "Correct. So if if part four is deleted in its entirety, what you will have in effect is the version of RCG that was on the ground before rezoning for housing was approved in 2024, which has those rules as you've described." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15668.965, "end": 15672.945, "text": "And I heard from a couple of the when I asked them, they said," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15673.705, "end": 15682.265, "text": "that was a really bad one, in their opinion. This one, this amendment is saying three units, one parking stall per unit. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15684.245, "end": 15704.085, "text": "I said I'm not going to support amendments, but after Councillor Johnston's amendment, I will be supporting Councillor Chabot's amendment because it changes the rules and makes it more amenable to residents rather than us going back to what is already there, which residents said they didn't like. So with that, thank you, Mayor. That's it for me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15704.085, "end": 15712.205, "text": "I'm gonna jump in just to uh attempt to explain for the members of the public, as well as just uh challenge myself to make sure that I personally understand what we're voting on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15712.805, "end": 15740.485, "text": "Uh back to the notice of motion that uh was approved in December. Uh Councilor Shobo put it on the table that we go back to the land use districts that existed prior, the maps that that existed prior. At that point, uh Councilor Wynus uh placed an amendment which suggested uh while we're doing this and having a public hearing, perhaps we would change uh some of the rules around RCG, what RCG is. Um when it comes to this amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15740.765, "end": 15750.685, "text": "that Councilor Shabot uh put on the table, Councillor Shabot suggested well, perhaps not all of the RCG RCG changes should be be implemented, but some of the changes should be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15751.085, "end": 15758.025, "text": "Uh the amendment to the amendment from Councilor Sh uh Johnston suggests, well, let's take off any changes to RCG" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15758.265, "end": 15775.445, "text": "uh as a result of that period. So, in other words, uh a support for Councilor Johnston's amendment to the amendment goes back to a pure form of the intent of a full repeal to the types of land use uh districts as they existed, the rules that existed, the maps that existed. Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 15779.545, "end": 15780.425, "text": "That is correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15780.905, "end": 15784.485, "text": "Or or in other words, if we're just gonna be direct about this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15784.745, "end": 15789.505, "text": "Many of the changes that uh Councillor Wynus uh had suggested was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15789.665, "end": 15796.305, "text": "from a certain vantage point, perhaps a watering down of RCG in terms of what could be built, the amount of height that was allowed," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15796.525, "end": 15799.745, "text": "uh the parking that uh would be required, and so on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15799.945, "end": 15801.265, "text": "And this would allow" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15801.465, "end": 15809.265, "text": "us to go back to an RCG as it existed prior to 2024, that is probably a greater strength level, let's say, in terms of what the massing or the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15809.605, "end": 15814.225, "text": "um the amount of uh buildable capacity is under that land use district. Is that right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 15814.585, "end": 15823.405, "text": "My understanding of Councillor Wynass's amend or motion arising was to improve the RCD RCG district based on feedback" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 15823.685, "end": 15825.325, "text": "that we have heard from Calgaryans." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 15825.685, "end": 15832.545, "text": "And so it was the very specific items that were outlined in her motion arising, and she can certainly speak to it," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 15832.865, "end": 15850.545, "text": "around reducing lot coverage, limiting building height, requiring contextual setbacks. So those improvements under the amendment to the amendment would not move forward. We would be left with the RCG district as it was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 15851.325, "end": 15853.325, "text": "on August 3rd, 2024." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15854.125, "end": 15860.645, "text": "Yeah, so I will enter myself into some debate. I I will be supporting this amendment to the amendment. I think going back to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15860.965, "end": 15886.585, "text": "uh a harder reset in terms of what RCG existed prior, it is from a certain perspective a stronger version of an RCG, but I think the extra oversight that we provide, given now that it's all these RCG applications are going to go to council, I think it's uh it's warranted. And this gets us closer to uh a more pure version of a repeal if you were to vote yes to this amendment to the amendment, and then ultimately yes to the amendment if amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 15886.725, "end": 15887.205, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15886.905, "end": 15886.925, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15887.745, "end": 15890.965, "text": "Uh that's my interpretation. Claire's mind over to you, Counselor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 15892.365, "end": 15914.185, "text": "Yeah, no. This is we just listened to the public and like people showing up for days on end talking about lot coverage, talking about the impacts that they're seeing on community. We have an opportunity here to start addressing these and to start moving things forward in a small way. This is the kind of thing like to have this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 15915.065, "end": 15969.345, "text": "Uh come to a point at which we go actually further back in terms of RCG, we're getting further intensification of inner city communities. Uh so not only did we repeal it, but we now are actually going to be building higher, bigger uh within the communities that have LAPs. Like to not bring forward these things that will help with our tree coverage, that's what the lot coverage works to address, to not reduce the height, which is something that we heard from community, like to not respond to what we heard from Capitol Hill, from Mount Pleasant, from all these communities that came and showed up to and said, can we please just have a little bit more contextuality in terms of the RCG built form that is going to continue to land in Ward Seven neighborhoods?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 15970.345, "end": 15983.925, "text": "No, no. Do not support the amendment. And then we should support Councillor Chabot's amendment to uh bring some of these pieces forward and make this work better for inner city communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15984.945, "end": 15987.965, "text": "Over to Councilor McLean on the amendment to the amendment, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 15989.145, "end": 15992.165, "text": "I'm having this is fun to be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 15992.845, "end": 15994.725, "text": "We got Smith Counselor Smith" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 15995.105, "end": 15999.265, "text": "actually agreeing with Councillor Johnson and I'm gonna agree with Counselor Atkinson. I mean, what's going on?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16000.425, "end": 16007.725, "text": "I mean, if you were listening to people like Councillor Action just said, and you cared about lot lines, you wanted to make" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16008.225, "end": 16014.705, "text": "them better, then this is what Counselor Chabot is suggesting. If you wanted the point zero five, Bark can you go to point to one," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16015.345, "end": 16018.385, "text": "this is what his does. If you wanted to go with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16018.785, "end": 16026.525, "text": "height and you want it to be less high, this is what his amendment does. What Counselor Johnson amendment does is wipes those all out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16027.005, "end": 16031.405, "text": "And now you go back to the things that you go back to 0.5, you go back to something" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16031.585, "end": 16034.205, "text": "that I know a lot of people don't you you gotta wait." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16035.685, "end": 16041.565, "text": "So I don't understand 'cause we debate it and just in final, because I think Councillor Shabot will address it in his close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16044.585, "end": 16049.265, "text": "They're smart. I mean, some people maybe don't want to get dive deep into every RCG or R1 or R2." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16049.525, "end": 16057.045, "text": "Most of them got what they wanted. They wanted your repill blanket rezoning, they wanted more parking, they wanted more lot sizes, they wanted all the things that's now suggested here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16057.745, "end": 16060.785, "text": "And so now to go the opposite way means then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 16061.485, "end": 16070.845, "text": "something isn't quite being circled or squared here, but I'm going to sub not support Councillor Johnson's amendment. Go with Councillor Chabose because that I think is what people want." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16072.165, "end": 16077.865, "text": "I'm just gonna clarify that this is a change. This would be, if adopted, a change to what Councillor Shabot" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16078.305, "end": 16082.405, "text": "is uh putting on the table. So if this amendment to the amendment were to pass," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16082.905, "end": 16086.345, "text": "the amendment as put by Councilor Shabot would be changed. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16087.105, "end": 16088.805, "text": "that uh over to you, Councillor Shabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16090.805, "end": 16094.005, "text": "Yeah, I I know this is confusing for members of council," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16094.205, "end": 16097.005, "text": "more confusing for the public, but members of council have to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16097.245, "end": 16115.365, "text": "Rise above that, that level of understanding. You're put in a position of power to deliver what the citizens are asking for, what they want, not what they're asking for. What they're asking for is some sometimes confusing. They they don't know how to ask for it properly. We're here to actually" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16116.685, "end": 16133.905, "text": "read through all of the confusion and bring clarity to it. My motion was actually bringing clarity to all of this. And what you don't seem to understand, members of council, is that the one of the motions that's introduced here was actually done as part of the blanket zoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16134.165, "end": 16169.985, "text": "So so what Counselor Wynus was trying to do with her amendments is actually incorporate something that was done with the original blanket zoning, which was to make blanket zoning less bad. What you're trying to do is make it even worse than what it was after the blanket zoning. Yes, you are. You're incorrect, Counselor Johnson, because what you're doing is you're going to go back to a 0.5 parking requirement versus a one stall parking requirement, which was adopted by council following the blanket zoning last year. My proposal was to go back to that to one. See, you don't even understand yourself. That's too bad." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16169.985, "end": 16173.265, "text": "Counselor Shabot, I'm gonna ask you to withdraw that uh comment, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16173.425, "end": 16175.225, "text": "Oh, withdraw my comment on his" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16175.225, "end": 16177.325, "text": "You don't understand yourself. Uh and again," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16177.325, "end": 16178.825, "text": "thing he said that he doesn't understand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16179.465, "end": 16187.365, "text": "so um Counselor Shabot, I'm gonna ask that uh you treat each we're gonna ask everyone to uh treat each other with uh proper decorum here and don't cast us off" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16187.365, "end": 16188.005, "text": "With my comment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16188.005, "end": 16188.445, "text": "motivation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16188.445, "end": 16189.025, "text": "that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16189.345, "end": 16192.525, "text": "referenced a derogatory statement about Counselor Johnson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16192.745, "end": 16195.085, "text": "Okay. Thank thank you, Councillor Shabo. I appreciate you doing that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16196.165, "end": 16197.205, "text": "Anyways, counsel," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16197.745, "end": 16202.205, "text": "don't s don't support this amendment. At the very least, don't s support P." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16202.625, "end": 16236.525, "text": "Because P actually is the one that that requires a one-to-one parking. The one that was adopted as part of the blanket zoning to make it less bad in 2024. By uh adopting this, you're actually going back to what it was even before Councillor John uh Guinas's amendment back in 2024 that that made RCG more palatable for most citizens. You know what? The 55% lot coverage, eh, I'm not overly fussed about it. The zero lot line, there hasn't been a lot of applications for it. And uh um what was the other one?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16239.405, "end": 16261.145, "text": "The height again, 11 meters, 10 meters, not a huge issue. But please don't support this amendment and and maybe support an an alternate amendment that takes out KMNO, but not P. Please do not take out P. I'm taking out everything else in case you didn't know. My motion takes out all of the amendments" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16261.445, "end": 16262.865, "text": "except for these ones." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16263.505, "end": 16271.225, "text": "And and P in particular, the one-to-one parking is the most critical one out of all of these ones that I'm trying to take out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16272.025, "end": 16287.025, "text": "Anyways, please don't support this amendment. And if somebody wants to bring forward an alternate amendment that takes out KMNO, you know what? I could even support that. But I can't support taking out P, the one to one parking. Please do not take out one to one parking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16288.385, "end": 16289.165, "text": "Thanks, I'm done." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16289.685, "end": 16294.825, "text": "Thank you, Counselor Shabo. And uh I'm gonna ask, I'm gonna go to clerks now. There's a lovely explainer" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16295.545, "end": 16300.925, "text": "on the City of Chairo website that uh Jim Hamilton's gonna direct us to just to hopefully." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16301.325, "end": 16305.685, "text": "Level set and give a foundation of what uh we're talking about here when we're talking about the various letters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16305.845, "end": 16307.545, "text": "So if we can have that displayed on the screen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16308.345, "end": 16335.845, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. So, Mayor, when you were talking about less restrictive or more restrictive, I was reminded that we have this on our webpage at calgary.ca slash zoning or rezoning. So I'll just ask clerks to maybe slowly scroll through it. You'll see the prior RCG is the first column prior to August 2024." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16336.025, "end": 16337.825, "text": "So that's essentially what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16338.465, "end": 16341.325, "text": "the proposal" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16342.085, "end": 16352.065, "text": "if if you amend the amendment is going to. The current RCG is what's current. The proposed RCG is what's listed in number four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16353.065, "end": 16355.965, "text": "So, clerks, if you don't mind just scrolling through that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16356.405, "end": 16357.165, "text": "slowly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16357.925, "end": 16362.485, "text": "and maybe I'll get us to stop on the parking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16363.485, "end": 16367.525, "text": "Which are the mobility requirements on page seven?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16370.845, "end": 16381.125, "text": "And so the second section down, mobility requirements, what Counselor Shobot was just talking about. RCG prior to August 2024 was 0.5 per unit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16381.645, "end": 16393.665, "text": "After, because that amendment came with rezoning, it's 0.5 or 1. And then the proposal today is to maintain that, and that's letter P in the proposed amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16394.445, "end": 16396.485, "text": "I'm not sure everyone's listening to me, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16397.425, "end": 16398.965, "text": "hopefully this helps. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16399.925, "end": 16401.985, "text": "Okay, we're gonna go to Councilor Kelly, please now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16404.945, "end": 16415.425, "text": "Uh thank you. And actually this uh was answering the majority of my questions. Uh I just wanted to clarify in terms of so uh the amendment to the amendment puts us back to the first column in here, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16419.345, "end": 16420.685, "text": "Correct. Yes, that's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16421.445, "end": 16423.685, "text": "Everybody said they wanted to agree. Okay, I love it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 16423.685, "end": 16424.065, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16424.065, "end": 16424.405, "text": "Great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16424.705, "end": 16432.285, "text": "Uh and uh just to confirm that the current RCG or the c second column here labeled as current RCG" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16433.325, "end": 16437.405, "text": "is already gone. We don't that is not an option in front of us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16437.405, "end": 16442.665, "text": "That's correct. Your first reading of the bylaw removed the middle column." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16442.805, "end": 16463.765, "text": "Perfect. So our our options in front of us here. Amendment to the amendment in favor throws us back to the first column. Saying no to this still keeps us in the right hand column. And then when we get back to Councillor Chabot's amendment, it would be some slight modifications to the third column in this document, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16464.365, "end": 16466.965, "text": "That is exactly right, Councillor Kelly. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16467.385, "end": 16469.305, "text": "the proposed RCG" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16469.845, "end": 16472.225, "text": "on the in the far right column" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16472.605, "end": 16476.065, "text": "is what is in the proposed bylaw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16476.805, "end": 16477.905, "text": "that has first reading." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16479.085, "end": 16482.465, "text": "The amendment to the amendment is what is in the left hand column," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16483.305, "end": 16486.945, "text": "which would go back to August 3rd, 2024." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16487.965, "end": 16489.805, "text": "And the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16490.265, "end": 16491.705, "text": "Councillor Chabot's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16492.725, "end": 16494.125, "text": "Original amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16495.005, "end": 16497.465, "text": "adjusts some of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16497.465, "end": 16504.085, "text": "Personally call a point of privilege because we have a number of sidebar conversations here, and I think it's absolutely critical that we give uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16504.665, "end": 16506.965, "text": "uh Ms. Davies Murphy our undivided attention." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16507.625, "end": 16508.445, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 16510.265, "end": 16519.805, "text": "I'll just start on the far column. So Councillor Shabot's amendment adjusts some of what is proposed in the current bylaw, but not all of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16521.285, "end": 16524.545, "text": "That is perfect. You gave me the clarity, and uh hopefully" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16525.485, "end": 16532.525, "text": "did we did we take enough time there that everybody's managed to sort it out? Hopefully we're okay. Thank you. I appreciate those are all my questions, your worship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16539.765, "end": 16545.325, "text": "Council, we were scheduled to break at two o'clock. I'm gonna bang the gave gobble now. Unless there's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16546.085, "end": 16550.505, "text": "any uh further uh any any opposition to that, we'll be back at uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 16550.505, "end": 16552.265, "text": "As long as I can finish my clothes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16552.265, "end": 16563.245, "text": "We're I'm not gonna vote I'm not gonna call the the vote or go to anyone closing on this. I think we'll have an opportunity to clarify some of these pieces prior to going to that. So I'm banging the gavel now. We'll be back at uh 345." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23706.065, "end": 23709.565, "text": "All right, welcome back to Calgary City Council. Mr. Clerk, please call the rule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23709.985, "end": 23711.745, "text": "Thank you. On the roll, Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23712.665, "end": 23713.185, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23713.325, "end": 23714.045, "text": "Counselor Dollywall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23715.645, "end": 23716.725, "text": "Counselor Panzoppoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23717.385, "end": 23718.185, "text": "Counselor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23718.765, "end": 23719.405, "text": "Counselor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23720.265, "end": 23720.945, "text": "Counselor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23721.805, "end": 23722.505, "text": "Counselor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23725.325, "end": 23725.985, "text": "Councillor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23726.765, "end": 23727.545, "text": "Counselor Jameson?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23728.065, "end": 23728.525, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23728.745, "end": 23729.365, "text": "Counselor McLean?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23729.605, "end": 23729.925, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23730.125, "end": 23730.845, "text": "Counselor Johnston?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23731.005, "end": 23731.225, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23731.625, "end": 23732.365, "text": "Counselor Tyres?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 23733.145, "end": 23733.285, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23733.565, "end": 23734.385, "text": "Counselor Wyness?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23736.585, "end": 23737.345, "text": "Counselor Yule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23737.565, "end": 23737.805, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23739.545, "end": 23740.425, "text": "And Mayor Farkas?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 23740.705, "end": 23741.065, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 23743.585, "end": 23744.045, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23744.165, "end": 23751.685, "text": "I am going to go over to administration just again uh recap what this amendment to the amendment is, and I believe we exhausted all the lights, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23752.065, "end": 23754.205, "text": "I'll go over to Councillor Johnston to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23755.865, "end": 23760.425, "text": "If uh for the at least the benefit of the the public watching, uh Ms. Davies Martin." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 23760.445, "end": 23765.165, "text": "Sure, certainly. So perhaps, clerks, if we could bring up administration's presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 23765.885, "end": 23772.465, "text": "And it's slide nine, and I'll ask Mr. Mueller just to walk through what Councillor Shabot's amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 23772.725, "end": 23775.585, "text": "proposes and what the amendment to the amendment proposes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23777.765, "end": 23778.825, "text": "Yes, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23779.285, "end": 23779.985, "text": "I'll probably" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23781.045, "end": 23787.505, "text": "fumble on amendment to an amendment to an amendment. But what you see on the slide here is Councillor Wyness's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23788.285, "end": 23791.645, "text": "motion rising that is contained in the proposed bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23792.485, "end": 23796.105, "text": "This is what Councillor Chabot is proposing to amend." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23797.545, "end": 23802.805, "text": "These seven things. So the lot coverage would have been reduced from 60 to 55%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23803.525, "end": 23805.625, "text": "Building height reduced to 10 meters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23806.485, "end": 23808.365, "text": "The contextual setbacks" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23808.905, "end": 23822.645, "text": "would be required. The zero lot line rule would be eliminated. The density would be reduced to 60. Row houses would be restricted to just the end of the block, so no mid blocks, and there would only be allowed one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23823.425, "end": 23828.145, "text": "Residential building per parcel, so no front and back buildings on a parcel," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23828.565, "end": 23832.105, "text": "and then the parking requirements that we've discussed with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23832.385, "end": 23833.065, "text": "one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23834.325, "end": 23846.025, "text": "stall per unit in the majority of the city, but in certain areas 0.5 stalls per unit. That is what Councilor Wynus had proposed. Councilor Chabot's amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23847.545, "end": 23848.845, "text": "would have would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23849.225, "end": 23850.145, "text": "preserve" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23850.645, "end": 23853.945, "text": "number one, the lot coverage, so that would still be reduced to 55." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23855.385, "end": 23858.725, "text": "His amendment would preserve the building height reduction to 10 meters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23860.005, "end": 23863.585, "text": "It does no longer does not include or preserve the contextual setbacks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23864.905, "end": 23868.325, "text": "It continues to eliminate the zero lot lines." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23869.065, "end": 23877.765, "text": "It does not reduce the density from 75 to 60. And it does not include the restrictions on the row house to the end of the block" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23878.365, "end": 23881.065, "text": "and that reduction to just one primary building." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23881.765, "end": 23885.065, "text": "It does, however, include the parking changes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23885.485, "end": 23894.005, "text": "In number seven. So those four things, number one, number two, number four, and number seven, are included in what Councillor Chabot's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23894.625, "end": 23895.605, "text": "amendment was." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23897.725, "end": 23899.105, "text": "The amendment to the amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23899.485, "end": 23903.325, "text": "Sorry, just to clarify, Councillor Chabot is proposing to eliminate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23904.125, "end": 23905.625, "text": "the the one, two, four, and seven." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23906.325, "end": 23907.945, "text": "no to keep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23907.945, "end": 23910.805, "text": "So the new list would be all of those last those." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23911.105, "end": 23914.065, "text": "Yes, the new list would not have number three," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23914.365, "end": 23917.345, "text": "would not have number five, and would not have number six." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23919.085, "end": 23921.585, "text": "The amendment to the amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23924.125, "end": 23924.605, "text": "would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23925.725, "end": 23926.905, "text": "remove all of this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23927.445, "end": 23934.665, "text": "and would go back to the RCG district rules as they existed prior to rezoning for housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23936.965, "end": 23939.705, "text": "Which were much more enabling" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23940.205, "end": 23941.105, "text": "than these" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 23941.905, "end": 23947.525, "text": "restrictions that were introduced to address concerns from communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23948.925, "end": 23951.985, "text": "And then uh and just counsel uh colleagues in in good faith, like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23952.365, "end": 23967.345, "text": "obviously occasionally I'll have a certain political bent, uh, what I'd like to see done, but I just in good faith I believe you all need to really understand what the impact of the amendment to the amendment is. Uh functionally, it would allow for taller height than." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23968.145, "end": 23970.845, "text": "Would otherwise be allowed. It would allow for less parking" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23971.405, "end": 23981.505, "text": "that is currently allowed. So that's sort of the real world impact. It'll allow for the lots to be covered, a greater portion of the lots. So again, that is the intent and the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23981.905, "end": 23989.805, "text": "uh consequence of Councillor Johnston's amendment to the amendment is if you want more of the lot to be covered by RCG," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23990.245, "end": 23992.985, "text": "you should vote yes to that. If you want less parking," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23993.465, "end": 23998.165, "text": "Then you would vote yes. If you want greater height for RCG, you would vote yes. So again," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23998.465, "end": 24002.145, "text": "I just want everyone to be crystal clear in terms of what the real world impact is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24002.545, "end": 24006.305, "text": "about this. And I'm not I'm speaking agnostically whether these are good or bad things, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24006.485, "end": 24009.425, "text": "that's the impact functionally of supporting this amendment to the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 24009.585, "end": 24011.165, "text": "You've captured that correctly, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24011.425, "end": 24011.765, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24012.145, "end": 24014.925, "text": "Uh with that, I'll go over to Counselor Johnston to to please close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24015.545, "end": 24024.705, "text": "Yes, that was factually true by the chair and administration. Yes, we would go back to RCG as it was pre-2024." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24025.045, "end": 24025.785, "text": "Now," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24026.205, "end": 24034.105, "text": "how long that stays is up to us. It's up to us to go talk to people, talk to our constituents, talk to our neighbors, talk to what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24035.045, "end": 24044.065, "text": "they want us to do. I mean, it should have been clear by how many submissions came in and how this was not a part of what they wanted us to do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24044.585, "end": 24045.485, "text": "During this meeting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24047.585, "end": 24062.025, "text": "11 meters to 10 meters, nobody in this room could tell me the difference if they saw two buildings that high. 50 to 60 or 60 down to 55%, nobody could tell me the difference between two lots. The difference is negligible" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24062.505, "end": 24064.405, "text": "on some of the things that are proposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24064.645, "end": 24080.685, "text": "Okay? We can do better than that. We can come back after talking with each other, coming back with something after going to our constituents, talking with the public. That's what they wanted us to do. This would not be a clean repeal because this is part of the main motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24081.205, "end": 24136.185, "text": "We can come back with something at any point because we are council, we are legislators, we can do whatever we want to ensure it's done properly. This was not done properly. From day one, we had counselors confused. We had taxpayers confused. We had public confused, we had media confused, we had everybody confused by including two items under the full repeal of blanket rezoning. So yes, it will go back to what it was pre-2024. I'm okay with that as long as we come back with something that fits what people want. And I tried to do that before this came up, gave us an out to separate these two so we could actually vote on a clean repeal, but this is not a clean repeal anymore. So this is my second option to give us a chance to have a full clean repeal and come back with something on our own timeline. It can be six months, it can be three months, it can be one year, it can be however long we want, as long as it's done properly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24136.945, "end": 24145.605, "text": "So I'm asking you, get rid of what's proposed right now. Vote yes to eliminating number four in its entirety," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24146.765, "end": 24147.085, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24148.245, "end": 24149.905, "text": "Counselor Schubble, I'll I'll ask uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24150.345, "end": 24153.745, "text": "let's just go over to Counselor Johnston to listen to his close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24155.305, "end": 24162.845, "text": "asking you to vote yes to this and allow us to talk with people, talk with us as counselors, and come back with something that works for the public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24163.125, "end": 24163.745, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24164.685, "end": 24170.405, "text": "Thank you. And with that, uh let's uh please engage the e vote on the amendment to the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 24192.225, "end": 24193.125, "text": "Mayor, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24193.485, "end": 24194.985, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24200.485, "end": 24203.185, "text": "And on the amendment to the amendment," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24203.745, "end": 24207.785, "text": "that uh motion has been defeated, six to nine, with uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24208.085, "end": 24212.145, "text": "only counselors Johnston, Schmidt, Dallywall, Jameson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24212.405, "end": 24215.985, "text": "Tyres, and myself in support. So now we are back" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24216.545, "end": 24220.385, "text": "to the amendment from Councillor Chabot. Do we have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24221.185, "end": 24222.025, "text": "any" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24223.605, "end": 24224.565, "text": "further" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24224.965, "end": 24229.885, "text": "discussion on the amendment or amendments to this amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24229.885, "end": 24231.565, "text": "Yes, I have an amendment to the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24231.645, "end": 24235.465, "text": "Okay, back to you, Councillor Johnston, for a different amendment to the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24235.545, "end": 24240.105, "text": "Yes, I would like to eliminate everything on Chabot's amendment except for parking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24250.225, "end": 24251.205, "text": "Uh keeping P." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24255.405, "end": 24266.745, "text": "Okay, just so I understand, uh right now in Councilor Chabot's amendment, he is suggesting to delete P and is your intent of the amendment to the amendment to restore" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24266.945, "end": 24267.645, "text": "keeping P." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24268.645, "end": 24268.865, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24270.185, "end": 24275.925, "text": "All right, do we have a uh do you if you could explain maybe your rationale or and and you're open here, and then I'll seek a second or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24277.525, "end": 24291.665, "text": "Um parking is the biggest contentious issue with a lot of people that came. If we're gonna keep anything on this for now, I would say keep the parking. Everything else, I think, should go back to administration to uh redevelop a strategy that works for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24292.085, "end": 24298.005, "text": "again the public and for developers as well. So if if P is the contentious issue," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24298.285, "end": 24301.625, "text": "I'm okay with keeping it as is and voting on that separately." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24302.905, "end": 24308.285, "text": "So before I seek a seconder, maybe if administration can just weigh in, this is to keep this is to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24308.845, "end": 24312.805, "text": "retain the strengthened parking requirement" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24313.045, "end": 24317.565, "text": "that was passed during the 2024 uh public hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24319.285, "end": 24319.545, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24320.525, "end": 24324.325, "text": "Great. So the uh the the functionality of this amendment to the amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24324.765, "end": 24326.845, "text": "is to require more parking" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24327.225, "end": 24329.205, "text": "uh for those uh date ranges." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24329.705, "end": 24332.025, "text": "Do is there a seconder for uh this motion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24332.725, "end": 24335.665, "text": "Okay, that's been uh second by Deputy Mayor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24337.365, "end": 24342.725, "text": "Uh any wish anyone wishing to speak on the amendment to the amendment? Councillor Shabot please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24344.305, "end": 24347.165, "text": "Oh all right. Uh over to you, Councilor McClain." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24348.165, "end": 24352.165, "text": "Uh yeah. Yeah, we I we debated this. I'm I'm supportive of more parking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24353.385, "end": 24356.105, "text": "But then the intent of the per the mover is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24356.525, "end": 24363.085, "text": "we could do this six months or a year or whatever. Like out of those four things, we can all do this later. So I don't know, maybe in your clothes," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24363.445, "end": 24364.425, "text": "you can tell us why." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24365.625, "end": 24368.805, "text": "All of these things can be done later, but this but you want this one. But the other ones are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24369.125, "end": 24374.305, "text": "are good too. They're not any worse than what we have up here. This is good. The other three were good too." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24375.485, "end": 24378.165, "text": "So I don't know you have to explain why this one's gooder." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24380.725, "end": 24381.225, "text": "I'm I'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24381.925, "end": 24384.185, "text": "I think we should have just left it, but you could explain why" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24384.805, "end": 24390.005, "text": "this one is so much different, 'cause if the other ones were better than what we had and you agreed with them, but you wanted to change it later, we could do better." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24390.545, "end": 24390.925, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24391.245, "end": 24393.865, "text": "but make it s anyways, you could explain in your clothes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24394.205, "end": 24395.545, "text": "why we just didn't go with the first one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24396.005, "end": 24398.625, "text": "Kim, I'm gonna insert myself and say I will not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24398.885, "end": 24402.665, "text": "be supporting this. I I was persuaded by Councillor Shabot's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24403.145, "end": 24446.325, "text": "Arguments with the original amendment in terms of why what was chosen, what wasn't. I was satisfied based on what he was seeking to have uh administration work with industry and the community on. I believe that Councilor Chabot was rock solid in terms of what he chose, what he didn't, in terms of uh picking those specific letters. I did support Councilor Johnston's amendment to the amendment, however, in that my first preference would have been just to delete four in its entirety. But if we are going to be piecemeal and spit picking specific parts, I'm going to defer to what was originally Councillor Chabot's intent based on the rationality or rationale for what he chose and what uh he didn't." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24447.125, "end": 24450.365, "text": "Uh with that over to Councilor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24450.945, "end": 24452.905, "text": "Panasopoulos, are you on the amendment to the amendment? No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24452.905, "end": 24453.525, "text": "Sorry, I think I was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24453.525, "end": 24455.365, "text": "Councillor Chabot on the amendment to the amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24455.365, "end": 24455.625, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24456.125, "end": 24457.925, "text": "Um, so I don't think the wording is correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24458.685, "end": 24461.205, "text": "I think what Councillor Um Brandon is proposing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24461.205, "end": 24467.965, "text": "Uh point of uh privilege, I think uh uh Deborah had uh RTS in there, and up until this point we've always let them talk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24467.965, "end": 24474.905, "text": "I don't see uh well let's just address people formally. Uh GM Hamilton, I don't see a request to speak from her, but I'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24475.265, "end": 24479.845, "text": "I'll on her behalf I will go and double check uh if she if you would like to speak, GM Hamilton." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 24480.545, "end": 24494.485, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Counselor Johnson. I I did put an RTS in and then I deleted it. I just was asking my team to double check the wording about what's on here because it was done on the floor. And I am understanding that I think we are correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 24495.425, "end": 24496.085, "text": "Yes, team?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 24497.185, "end": 24497.805, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 24498.425, "end": 24500.385, "text": "just to confirm with counsel with the mover," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 24500.945, "end": 24504.325, "text": "you want to retain only P, is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 24504.765, "end": 24509.505, "text": "So the wording should be to delete A through O," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 24510.645, "end": 24511.665, "text": "Yes. And then M" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 24511.665, "end": 24512.865, "text": "and that only retains P." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 24512.865, "end": 24514.405, "text": "O P P stays." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 24515.005, "end": 24516.805, "text": "So we're good. Thank you. Sorry, I just wanted to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24516.805, "end": 24526.165, "text": "In the moment. So the impact again is uh the the functionality of this is P remains because it comes after O, based on what the text is. I'll go back to you, uh Counselor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24527.545, "end": 24529.265, "text": "Oh, sorry. Yeah, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24529.405, "end": 24530.785, "text": "A through to O" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24531.765, "end": 24532.905, "text": "is what he's proposing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 24532.905, "end": 24533.505, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24533.505, "end": 24544.665, "text": "Oh yeah, thanks. I was looking at the pre the wording before that. So thank you for that. No, I I think it addresses one of the things that I I referenced before. That I said at the very least," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24545.125, "end": 24545.925, "text": "key P." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24546.985, "end": 24551.965, "text": "So thanks for at least uh proposing that. That doesn't mean I'm gonna support you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24552.245, "end": 24554.925, "text": "because I think this is more in line with." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24555.665, "end": 24556.645, "text": "You know, less," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24558.305, "end": 24558.905, "text": "I guess," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24559.825, "end": 24600.385, "text": "not as much as I wanted to do as far as more restrictions. I wanted to do some more restrictions. Uh other members of council wanted to adopt all of Councilor Wynus's proposal and it I I didn't think it would pass, which is why I consulted with administration on this in advance to see what administration would support, what the industry would support, what I thought I could get council to support, which is why I made those four recommendations to start with. Not that I didn't support all of these other ones as well. But if you're if you're gonna do a full repeal, this is kind of a backwards thing, and that's what it's so complicated. And you know what? I I I didn't do a good job of explaining it. So, you know, I I may have accused others of maybe not." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24601.045, "end": 24601.605, "text": "being" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24602.145, "end": 24603.205, "text": "well, I I went s" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24603.605, "end": 24604.065, "text": "I did" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24604.945, "end": 24616.025, "text": "something bad and I apologize for that. I accuse s some people of being stupid, but honestly I'm the one who's stupid because I didn't a good do a good job of explaining it because it is kind of a backwards bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24616.365, "end": 24617.125, "text": "The whole thing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24617.865, "end": 24620.545, "text": "All these amendments were incorporated into the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24620.905, "end": 24622.565, "text": "So I'm sorry for what I said." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24623.885, "end": 24626.945, "text": "But honestly, it's it's very difficult to try and follow it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24627.445, "end": 24631.225, "text": "And so I was trying to do it now after understanding how the bylaw was structured," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24631.625, "end": 24637.345, "text": "to to take out all of the amendments, to to go back to a full repeal," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24637.885, "end": 24643.405, "text": "with the exceptions of those things that we heard through the public hearing of this is what people were asking us for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24643.905, "end": 24651.525, "text": "So the idea of we need to consult the public, well we did. They didn't understand how it was being proposed, but what they said was clear." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24652.385, "end": 24654.805, "text": "They said, we want you to limit," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24655.245, "end": 24670.905, "text": "keep the limited parking, we want you to reduce the massing, we want you to reduce the the density, and and that goes this was going part way down that path. Whilst we can look at further amendments into the future, maybe we could go to two to one for parking" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24672.125, "end": 24673.205, "text": "uh or something." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24673.685, "end": 24674.385, "text": "Just saying." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24674.645, "end": 24684.085, "text": "It's amendments that council can make into the future. But for now this was uh at least retaining that one-to-one parking and then some of the other amendments that I had proposed. So um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24684.465, "end": 24684.845, "text": "I I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24685.585, "end": 24687.465, "text": "appreciate you doing what you're doing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24687.825, "end": 24693.565, "text": "Uh if this does vote through, um I I will close on the amendment as proposed, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24693.905, "end": 24697.585, "text": "I I obviously I'd prefer to go with mine. So I'm gonna vote against this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24698.705, "end": 24701.745, "text": "Thank you, uh, Council Chabotz. Well taken. I'll I'll say for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24702.245, "end": 24707.585, "text": "the record, you're not stupid. You're one of the smartest people I've ever had the chance to work with. And let's just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24708.085, "end": 24715.865, "text": "uh level set and remember this is probably the most complicated land use bylaw amendment that's ever been under undertaken by any city of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24716.265, "end": 24716.745, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24717.005, "end": 24723.405, "text": "analogous governance systems. This is probably the most convoluted, most complicated change that any municipal government's done in North America" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24723.745, "end": 24726.585, "text": "in terms of implementing the change and attempting to unwind it. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24726.985, "end": 24729.745, "text": "Let's all extend ourselves a little bit more, uh grace and goodwill." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24730.865, "end": 24735.525, "text": "Thank you. Uh Councilor Panasopoulos, did you want to jump on the main? Okay. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24737.245, "end": 24739.865, "text": "Okay. I'll go back to you on the main if it's amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24740.285, "end": 24742.665, "text": "Uh Councilor Atkinson, please, on the amendment to the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 24742.845, "end": 24748.705, "text": "From the amendment to the amendment, uh I'd ask my colleagues not to vote for this. We've" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 24750.225, "end": 24813.065, "text": "I was not part of the vote for repeal, but I my assumption is that if you voted for repeal, that you've heard the community's issues with town homes and row homes that are being built up to date. And we've heard that the massing and the sort of the size and the tree canopy loss and things like the height are conditions that uh they would like to see changed. And so RCG does not go away at the end of this. RCG is still there. These are building in some of those tweaks that we've heard from community over the last couple of weeks, bringing some of those in. It's not the the full piece, but it is the ones that we've heard from the development industry that they can still continue to build RCG style townhomes and row homes with these conditions in. So I think giving this to the communities that are going to be experiencing these RCG row homes and townhomes as a part of this is very important. So please vote no to this amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24816.825, "end": 24822.005, "text": "All right. That's that. Uh back to Councilor Johnston to close on the amendment to the amendment, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24822.005, "end": 24822.885, "text": "Yeah, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24823.445, "end": 24825.505, "text": "you wonder why I picked P" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24826.305, "end": 24826.685, "text": "sorry" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24827.065, "end": 24828.145, "text": "P out of this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24829.265, "end": 24830.565, "text": "Sorry, is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24832.185, "end": 24832.625, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24832.805, "end": 24835.405, "text": "it's the most contentious part of this entire amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24837.685, "end": 24839.245, "text": "Going from 10 meters" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24839.725, "end": 24841.785, "text": "from 11 meters is nothing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24842.745, "end": 24844.105, "text": "It's absolutely nothing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24845.765, "end": 24846.445, "text": "Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24846.945, "end": 24847.925, "text": "Going from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24849.125, "end": 24852.725, "text": "60 to 55% law coverage is nothing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24854.505, "end": 24860.005, "text": "Parts of this I do agree with. It's just not the time or place to be dealing with stuff that should be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24860.905, "end": 24863.485, "text": "going back to developers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24863.925, "end": 24877.745, "text": "As we heard from plenty of people that came in here, do not vote, don't make sausage on the floor. And this is exactly what we've been doing for the past three months with this amendment. It should have always been separated. It we could have killed it at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24878.585, "end": 24880.905, "text": "in December, but here we are trying to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24881.485, "end": 24889.465, "text": "make sausage on the floor. And so if we're going to keep anything of this amendment, it would be the parking issue. And that's the biggest thing that came up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24890.545, "end": 24895.645, "text": "To most submissions that came through or people at the or or in person," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24900.265, "end": 24903.105, "text": "and everything else should go back again to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24904.165, "end": 24905.845, "text": "a thoughtful process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24906.505, "end": 24907.525, "text": "So I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24909.045, "end": 24914.605, "text": "I I would I would ask you guys to vote yes to this and allow us time to work on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24915.785, "end": 24922.085, "text": "the next change to RCG. This to me is not the right place or time to do this. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24923.785, "end": 24929.225, "text": "All right. So on the amendment to the amendment, uh Mr. Clerk, could we please uh engage the vote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 24954.365, "end": 24956.225, "text": "On the amendment to the amendment, Councillor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24957.585, "end": 24957.905, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 24958.525, "end": 24959.645, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Yule?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 24960.505, "end": 24960.785, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 24961.965, "end": 24963.165, "text": "Thank you. And Counselor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24963.925, "end": 24964.485, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 24965.025, "end": 24966.065, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24966.525, "end": 24968.565, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24970.785, "end": 24972.785, "text": "And on that, the uh motion" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24973.265, "end": 24976.385, "text": "has been defeated. The amendment to the amendment fails, with uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24977.145, "end": 24980.585, "text": "only counselors Johnston, Schmidt, and Jameson in favor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24982.465, "end": 24986.485, "text": "All right, so we're back on the main. This is the amendment from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24987.405, "end": 24988.945, "text": "Councillor Shabeau." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24989.425, "end": 24990.485, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24991.085, "end": 24995.185, "text": "Counselor Panasopoulos, I see question of admin, but debate as well. I'm gonna go over to you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 24997.265, "end": 24999.305, "text": "My apologies. Did want to uh we're in debate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25000.865, "end": 25003.045, "text": "Yep, go for it. Or or you can ask admin that the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25003.045, "end": 25003.625, "text": "Perfect debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25004.025, "end": 25009.885, "text": "No, thanks so much. What I wanted to speak to this was actually picking up on what Councillor Atkinson just said." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25011.145, "end": 25012.265, "text": "My concern with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25012.745, "end": 25018.865, "text": "the amendment as presented is three key messages we heard from Calgarians through blanket rezoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25019.365, "end": 25029.085, "text": "Number three, contextual setback is required. An apex that comes right up to a sidewalk is not contextually appropriate when you've got a bungalow next door. This amendment takes that out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25029.525, "end": 25032.665, "text": "Number five, the density. I don't want" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25033.345, "end": 25048.625, "text": "Too much density where you've got a row home and a row home behind each other, we want to have more one building. We heard that. And finally, number six, I think the biggest, we've done this on this floor, mid-block aplexes. Subject to the lot being big enough." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25048.965, "end": 25070.485, "text": "If this is approved, you will still have on the 2892 lots that are RCG today, now that we've repealed, you will still be able to have mid block aplexes. I do not hear of one person sending a letter, one person speaking to council, one person at the doors that said, I want mid block aplexes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25070.725, "end": 25072.745, "text": "So by having this, I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25073.605, "end": 25119.945, "text": "What Councillor Wyness is proposing actually is more restrictive. And I agree, Counselor Johnson, we can come back after and amend. But this now comes and gets a reset that's tighter. It meets the needs. And in six to twelve months, if Calgar Council in its wisdom chooses to amend and make it less restrictive, then so be it. But coming out of what we heard, you have to think. What are the top three? Conceptual contextual, density, and mid-block rail hoses. These are being excluded. So I'm recommending please vote against this amendment, vote for Councilor YNS's, because it is more of a constraint to development as we catch our breath, as we pause and we look to build a better Calgary, we go into the next six months. Think about what you heard these speakers and what's excluded through this amendment. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25120.965, "end": 25123.785, "text": "Thank you. On the amendment, Councilor Ward, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 25124.765, "end": 25136.085, "text": "Yes, um, admin, I need you to help me with this one. So on the original amendment, we talked about three-end lots being okay for RCG, which I understand. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 25136.865, "end": 25145.705, "text": "would it not be true that people outside of those three lots could still do a land use application to go to RCG?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 25146.545, "end": 25148.265, "text": "Or would it be absolutely prohibited?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25149.725, "end": 25153.865, "text": "They could do that at any time. The rules would determine what could be built." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 25155.305, "end": 25160.105, "text": "So mid block RCG could still happen, even with the three and three rule?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25160.105, "end": 25160.485, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 25160.665, "end": 25162.685, "text": "It could not happen by any means." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25162.845, "end": 25163.185, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 25163.705, "end": 25164.085, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 25165.405, "end": 25166.225, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 25168.385, "end": 25170.065, "text": "I'm just gonna stop there. I'm good. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25177.065, "end": 25182.545, "text": "Thank you for that. Before I go to Councilor Chabot to close on the amendment," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25183.045, "end": 25188.985, "text": "could we just go back to the uh presentation, the slide that really laid out the one through seven?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25189.425, "end": 25191.085, "text": "And let's just clarify again" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25191.545, "end": 25194.445, "text": "for the council and members of the public what's included" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25194.925, "end": 25195.405, "text": "in that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25196.345, "end": 25198.765, "text": "So maybe if you could go just one by one and say keep," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25199.145, "end": 25200.345, "text": "gone, keep, gone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 25202.665, "end": 25203.325, "text": "Absolutely." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 25204.105, "end": 25204.845, "text": "Number one," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 25207.445, "end": 25209.605, "text": "Councilor Shabot's amendment keeps number one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 25210.585, "end": 25212.605, "text": "Councilor Shabot's amendment keeps number two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 25213.405, "end": 25215.005, "text": "It does not keep number three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 25216.025, "end": 25217.205, "text": "It keeps number four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 25217.885, "end": 25219.285, "text": "It does not keep number five." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 25219.625, "end": 25228.705, "text": "It does not keep number six, it does keep number seven. So one, two, four, and seven are what are being kept in Councilor Chabot's amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25230.325, "end": 25232.925, "text": "So with one, two, four, and seven being kept." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25233.185, "end": 25235.545, "text": "The effect of Councilor Chabot" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25236.045, "end": 25239.905, "text": "is eliminating three, five, and six from this list." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 25241.245, "end": 25241.525, "text": "Correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25241.525, "end": 25245.025, "text": "So so just to be crystal clear, colleagues, if you do not like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25245.485, "end": 25249.265, "text": "three, five, and six, if you don't think contextual setback should be required," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25249.585, "end": 25251.405, "text": "if you don't think that the density" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25251.905, "end": 25252.865, "text": "uh should" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25253.025, "end": 25253.645, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25255.285, "end": 25257.565, "text": "or rather, if you don't think it should be lowered, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25257.845, "end": 25262.405, "text": "again on point six, that would be the function of uh voting yes or no for this amount." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 25262.405, "end": 25262.425, "text": "in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25263.545, "end": 25263.805, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25267.105, "end": 25268.825, "text": "All right, uh Counselor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 25269.845, "end": 25271.765, "text": "Uh just a question for admin." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 25272.625, "end": 25294.045, "text": "Councillor Chabot's um circulation was speaking to sort of concerns maybe from the development industry about whether certain items. And so the four that have been moved forward, the idea is that we've vetted those through industry and that there isn't going to be a problem with lowering the height and lowering the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 25294.905, "end": 25306.225, "text": "The lot coverage, but is there the the three that are being removed there? Is there concern from industry around uh those pieces and how would that be addressed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25307.705, "end": 25318.765, "text": "So, Councillor Atkinson, you're correct. We have tested the ones that are being removed. And in my discussions with industry over the last couple of days, they have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25319.425, "end": 25322.925, "text": "indicated they are comfortable with this approach." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 25324.125, "end": 25325.785, "text": "And then for the ones that are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 25327.005, "end": 25339.725, "text": "being taken out because of this, what what has there been any sentiment from industry? What would it look like uh for those pieces to either be tested, like if they haven't been tested? Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25339.725, "end": 25350.085, "text": "Yeah, good question. Thank you. Again, in my discussions with industry over the last couple of days, there is great interest to work with the city to model and test" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25350.485, "end": 25357.325, "text": "other options for the RCG district and to look at what that form would look like." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25357.645, "end": 25364.005, "text": "on the ground and understand what the economics are of those changes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 25366.445, "end": 25367.405, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25368.665, "end": 25370.045, "text": "Thank you. Councilor Johnson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 25371.425, "end": 25378.905, "text": "Uh yeah, sorry. The chair keeps bringing up that if we vote no to this, then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 25379.565, "end": 25387.165, "text": "we're at the mercy of 12-meter or 11-meter tall buildings from here until forever. That's not necessarily what's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 25388.025, "end": 25410.245, "text": "our ability. Our ability is to change this at any time. There must be a process, and I don't think this is the right process. So, yes, this would be a backboard, but I'm not okay with a backboard. I'm okay with actually going to people, actually talking to them, actually coming back with something. If that means there's no backboard for a little bit of time, I'm okay with that. As long as we come back with something that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 25412.165, "end": 25440.365, "text": "Headline The last council didn't do this, and where are they right now? We are here right now to do it properly. So as of right now, we can no longer say this will be a full clean repeal because this is part of the main motion. So I would suggest voting no to any of these amendments and then yes to the full motion. But this itself, we can come back with something better than what's presented. So I would really ask you guys to vote no to this. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25441.105, "end": 25449.185, "text": "Counselor Johnson, in my remarks with administration, I didn't say that this could never be changed. So just want to clarify that fact for uh members of the public and council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 25450.125, "end": 25450.865, "text": "Can I respond?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25451.805, "end": 25455.405, "text": "If you wish, uh I I've been misquoted, so I just wanted to step in. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25455.885, "end": 25458.405, "text": "if you heard that if you heard me say that, that was not accurate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 25460.945, "end": 25470.985, "text": "You speak as if it's a finality, as if if we do not vote against this, it will go back, which is factually true, but we can always change it. So I apologize if I misquoted you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25471.385, "end": 25475.905, "text": "Yeah, I'll say on any land use, uh council isn't fettered from further decisions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 25476.005, "end": 25476.765, "text": "Exactly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25478.545, "end": 25479.945, "text": "All right, uh Councilor McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25480.385, "end": 25484.465, "text": "Yeah, thanks, Mayor. Uh Counselor Padnisopless brought up a pretty good point. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25484.745, "end": 25486.545, "text": "clerks, could you bring that back up again? I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25487.085, "end": 25489.945, "text": "I don't know if it's L or if it's six." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25490.605, "end": 25494.625, "text": "Uh because it says six everywhere. Rural House is allowed, limits parcel the one primary" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25495.125, "end": 25497.065, "text": "mid block excludes the first two parcels." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25500.125, "end": 25501.425, "text": "So from my understanding," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25502.145, "end": 25503.085, "text": "I want to make an amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25503.405, "end": 25505.285, "text": "amendment to the R amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25505.825, "end": 25509.525, "text": "to keep that back in. I think I have the uh will of Councillor Chabot as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25510.045, "end": 25511.365, "text": "I like uh what you're saying," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25511.645, "end": 25514.825, "text": "Councillor Panasopas. I think that should be included in the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25515.125, "end": 25516.005, "text": "that we uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25516.465, "end": 25517.105, "text": "we keep" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25518.185, "end": 25519.185, "text": "number six." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25520.565, "end": 25521.485, "text": "And that's even further" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25521.785, "end": 25524.685, "text": "more to it I think the public's asking asking us for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25525.185, "end": 25525.765, "text": "to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25526.605, "end": 25529.245, "text": "prohibit mid block row houses. Because you're right, that's still in there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25529.825, "end": 25534.785, "text": "And I think there was maybe some reason why that wasn't included originally with the with uh counselor y'iness" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25535.105, "end": 25538.705, "text": "and Chabot to put two they were I believe their original intent was actually to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25539.445, "end": 25544.065, "text": "to keep that as well. So the amendment would then be I think as structured as L" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25544.445, "end": 25545.365, "text": "in our amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25545.585, "end": 25546.565, "text": "Or Councillor Shabose" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25547.245, "end": 25549.385, "text": "is a deep. Maybe clerks could give us some clarification." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25550.245, "end": 25553.285, "text": "That is being removed right now. Number six there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25554.065, "end": 25556.525, "text": "And I'd like to amend that to keep that in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25556.885, "end": 25562.825, "text": "Okay, is there a seconder to that amendment to the amendment? I we I believe it's uh bullet D, but it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25563.485, "end": 25573.045, "text": "Uh point six up on the screen where row house is allowed, limiting parcels to one primary building and prohibiting mid-block row houses and townhouses where mid-block excludes the first three parcels at each block." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25573.685, "end": 25576.145, "text": "Is there a seconder to the amendment to the amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25576.785, "end": 25578.125, "text": "Councilor Ewell has uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25579.005, "end": 25581.045, "text": "a second that, so that is on the table." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25582.665, "end": 25588.925, "text": "Uh maybe to administration, could we uh just speak to what the impact would be? I believe I just read it read it on the screen, but if you could" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25589.685, "end": 25590.525, "text": "read it on the screen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25590.525, "end": 25592.785, "text": "You were correct, Mayor, that by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25593.805, "end": 25594.325, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25594.665, "end": 25597.865, "text": "the amendment that Councillor McLean is putting forward" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25598.225, "end": 25599.765, "text": "would eliminate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25600.065, "end": 25601.965, "text": "mid block row house" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25603.865, "end": 25606.665, "text": "and stacked and the stacked the front back townhouses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25607.725, "end": 25611.725, "text": "So one primary building on a lot and we're just confirming which" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25612.185, "end": 25615.965, "text": "Letter correspondences corresponds within the bylaws." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 25616.745, "end": 25617.065, "text": "I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25618.725, "end": 25621.665, "text": "Okay, my understanding is that this may be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25622.005, "end": 25626.285, "text": "Up quite a bit more complicated and technical as there may be references" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25626.605, "end": 25631.205, "text": "elsewhere within uh the amending document or the the bylaw that we just read." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25631.265, "end": 25635.765, "text": "If I may ask Mayor if we may have a moment to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 25636.085, "end": 25641.425, "text": "just confer and can we come back to this one? Is that possible?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25641.745, "end": 25659.385, "text": "Colleagues, uh I want us to one option is to postpone this item and come back to it. Uh, would you be okay if we just recess for five minutes to the call of the chair? I'd rather us just uh deal with one topic at a time rather than juggle many balls in there. So anyone opposed to our short five minute recess?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25659.685, "end": 25662.425, "text": "Okay, seeing none, uh, we'll be back at 427." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26378.205, "end": 26383.885, "text": "All right, we're back. Welcome back to Calgary City Council. Please, uh Mr. Clerk, please call the roll." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26385.465, "end": 26388.385, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Uh Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26389.525, "end": 26390.285, "text": "Counselor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26391.245, "end": 26391.925, "text": "Counselor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 26392.005, "end": 26392.365, "text": "President." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26392.525, "end": 26393.225, "text": "Counselor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26394.785, "end": 26395.065, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26395.825, "end": 26396.545, "text": "Counselor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26397.845, "end": 26398.705, "text": "Counselor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26399.025, "end": 26399.665, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26400.165, "end": 26400.865, "text": "Councillor McLean?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26402.485, "end": 26403.205, "text": "Counselor Johnston?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26404.545, "end": 26405.385, "text": "Counselor Tyres?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26406.025, "end": 26406.805, "text": "Councilor Weness?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26410.185, "end": 26410.605, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26411.125, "end": 26411.765, "text": "Counselor Yule?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 26412.345, "end": 26412.525, "text": "You're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26412.845, "end": 26413.405, "text": "Councilor Kelly?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 26414.205, "end": 26415.345, "text": "present and having a great time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26415.825, "end": 26416.785, "text": "Counselor Dolywall?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 26418.445, "end": 26418.845, "text": "Here" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26419.485, "end": 26419.985, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26420.345, "end": 26421.545, "text": "Councilor Pentasopoulos?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26422.305, "end": 26423.345, "text": "And Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26423.685, "end": 26424.165, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26424.465, "end": 26424.545, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26425.265, "end": 26430.265, "text": "All right, I'm gonna go back to uh administration, please, to just recap how you interpret" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26431.005, "end": 26435.545, "text": "uh counselor McClain's amendment to the amendment. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26436.145, "end": 26437.245, "text": "and then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26437.625, "end": 26440.785, "text": "what some other implications may be of proceeding with that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26440.985, "end": 26446.885, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. So to achieve number six, to maintain" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26447.285, "end": 26449.705, "text": "that where aware row house is allowed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26450.165, "end": 26457.865, "text": "This would limit parcels to one primary building on the lot and prohibit mid block row houses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26458.165, "end": 26466.765, "text": "There are a number of items in the proposed bylaw that would need to be amended. So I will just refer to attachment two," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26467.665, "end": 26469.945, "text": "page five of 173." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26472.905, "end": 26474.205, "text": "Under four," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26475.625, "end": 26476.705, "text": "I'm gonna read a list here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26477.225, "end": 26477.765, "text": "A," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26478.185, "end": 26478.725, "text": "B," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26479.245, "end": 26479.905, "text": "C," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26480.825, "end": 26481.385, "text": "D," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26482.145, "end": 26482.645, "text": "E," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26483.385, "end": 26483.885, "text": "F," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26484.705, "end": 26485.265, "text": "G," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26485.825, "end": 26486.405, "text": "H," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26486.665, "end": 26487.525, "text": "and J" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26488.285, "end": 26489.905, "text": "would all need to be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26490.405, "end": 26491.025, "text": "Removed," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26491.905, "end": 26495.905, "text": "along with what Councillor Chabot had previously proposed," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26496.385, "end": 26497.845, "text": "which included K" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26498.385, "end": 26498.925, "text": "M" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26499.285, "end": 26499.825, "text": "N" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26500.045, "end": 26500.545, "text": "O" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26500.905, "end": 26501.585, "text": "M P." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26503.525, "end": 26504.945, "text": "And so what that does is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26505.805, "end": 26507.665, "text": "though that's what would be removed" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26507.925, "end": 26508.785, "text": "from the bylaw," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26511.385, "end": 26514.485, "text": "and we would retain 4i" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26515.305, "end": 26516.445, "text": "and 4L." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26516.985, "end": 26521.265, "text": "So that's on pages 6 and 7 of 173 of attachment two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26521.445, "end": 26523.705, "text": "Could you recap what 4I and 4L are?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26524.385, "end": 26531.285, "text": "Yes, certainly. 4i is the density, so that relates to number five on the screen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26531.705, "end": 26538.265, "text": "And L is the building setback, the contextual setbacks, which relates to number three on the screen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26538.765, "end": 26547.125, "text": "And again, I'm just trying to characterize this in as much simple language as possible for our council colleagues as well as members members of the public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26547.785, "end": 26549.465, "text": "We have done that full repeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26550.145, "end": 26557.385, "text": "The implications of uh Councilor Wynus's uh direction that ultimately council adopted was a further further tightening" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26557.825, "end": 26558.645, "text": "of RCG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26559.085, "end": 26561.505, "text": "And right now we are sort of debating" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26561.885, "end": 26563.865, "text": "whether or not RCG should be that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26564.085, "end": 26564.505, "text": "tight." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26564.885, "end": 26571.385, "text": "Or rather, it should whether it should be further tightened based on this in terms of height, in terms of parking, in terms of density." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26571.845, "end": 26573.105, "text": "Where a row house is allowed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26573.585, "end": 26574.385, "text": "So the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26574.905, "end": 26576.845, "text": "uh implication here of what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26577.525, "end": 26579.345, "text": "Councilor McLean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26580.165, "end": 26583.685, "text": "is amending to the amendment is to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26584.145, "end": 26584.685, "text": "delete" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26585.605, "end": 26586.465, "text": "number six," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26587.445, "end": 26589.085, "text": "or D, which is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26589.445, "end": 26593.925, "text": "the restrictions on limiting parcels to one primary building and the prohibition" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26594.405, "end": 26595.645, "text": "of mid block row houses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26596.825, "end": 26597.785, "text": "Wants to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26598.825, "end": 26599.965, "text": "retain" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26600.325, "end": 26606.865, "text": "this proposal so that we would only, if this is passed, we would only have one primary building" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26607.065, "end": 26610.765, "text": "on a lot and there would be no mid block row houses or townhomes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26611.025, "end": 26614.285, "text": "But just philosophically here, the implication of supporting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26614.725, "end": 26617.505, "text": "Council McLean's amendment, the intent really is to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26618.165, "end": 26623.305, "text": "Limit parcels otherwise to one primary building and otherwise have a more restrictive environment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26623.585, "end": 26623.965, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26623.965, "end": 26626.165, "text": "for RCG than otherwise would be. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26626.545, "end": 26631.505, "text": "the implication of voting for Counselor McLean's amendment to the amendment would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26632.005, "end": 26633.385, "text": "to otherwise restrict" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26634.065, "end": 26636.565, "text": "further that row house and and townhouse" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26637.085, "end": 26640.625, "text": "uh typology, and then a vote against Councilor McClain's amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26640.945, "end": 26645.205, "text": "would be uh to be more permissive in terms of what RCG allows. Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26645.205, "end": 26645.745, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26646.065, "end": 26646.345, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26648.025, "end": 26651.045, "text": "With that, uh, Councilor Tyrers, were you on the amendment to the amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 26652.725, "end": 26655.045, "text": "Uh no, I was on the original amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26655.345, "end": 26657.365, "text": "Okay. Uh on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26658.085, "end": 26660.245, "text": "amendment to the amendment, Councilor Johnson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 26663.645, "end": 26666.845, "text": "Yeah, this is what happens when you try to make sausage on the floor here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 26667.045, "end": 26667.965, "text": "And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 26668.525, "end": 26703.025, "text": "We can no longer again say this is a clean repeal to the main motion. Again, I agree with everything or most of what's on the board. I think it could be better than what it is. And it's not about restricting or going back to what RCG was, which at this point I'm okay with if we come back with something better. So I'm gonna say vote no to this as well and work again with the public, with developers, work with the industry, work with administration, work with each other to come back with something that involves all of us and everyone to ensure that it is done properly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 26703.645, "end": 26705.825, "text": "Did we learn nothing from the last council?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 26706.545, "end": 26721.885, "text": "This is our opportunity to do the right thing. It might be hard. There might be some RCGs that get pushed through. I'm willing to take that bullet as long as we come back with something better. This is not the time and place to be doing this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26722.865, "end": 26725.845, "text": "Okay, on the amendment to the amendment, Councilor Penizopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26726.425, "end": 26738.005, "text": "Just a uh question for admin. If Councilor McLean's motion is rejected and Councillor Shabot's motion is rejected, we automatically have Councilor YNS's amendment in the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26740.265, "end": 26741.025, "text": "That is correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26741.185, "end": 26754.805, "text": "So if we vote no to this and no to Chabot's, we get all seven of the proposed amendments. They're not proposed anymore. The seven you may can you bring up attachment four again? Thank you, uh Mr. Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26757.985, "end": 26760.025, "text": "Attachment four, my apologies. The one that had the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26762.145, "end": 26763.285, "text": "oh my uh is it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26764.265, "end": 26765.045, "text": "The presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26765.045, "end": 26768.125, "text": "Presentation, my apologies. I'm sorry, clerks. There it is. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26769.485, "end": 26775.805, "text": "Uh down, down, down, yeah. Yep, perfect. So just to be cle clear, because I know there was a misunderstanding, myself included," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26776.745, "end": 26781.845, "text": "rejecting both Councillor McLean's and Councillor Chabot's gets all seven." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26782.445, "end": 26804.225, "text": "And I'm of the belief that conceptual contextual setback is critical. I come from a neighborhood where it matters. The conversation builders will make amendments. They will do duplexes instead of fourplexes. We had a conversation they might recommend going to H go, so be it it comes back to council. I think it's important again to have all these seven. So it is a choice if it's a no and a no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26805.165, "end": 26813.925, "text": "Then we get to this automatically. If you believe contextual setbacks are not important, then vote yes. I'm going to be voting no because I do believe of all these, number three," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26814.105, "end": 26819.225, "text": "number five, and number six are critical. We've added back six. We haven't added back five and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26819.665, "end": 26822.885, "text": "three, which I think are important. So for their reason I'm going to vote no for both." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26823.425, "end": 26825.325, "text": "And it'll naturally follow to what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26826.005, "end": 26832.645, "text": "The bylaw has as of this moment after the first reading, which is YNSS, all seven of these. Thank you. Counselor Y Nessis, my apologies, Counselor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26834.205, "end": 26836.705, "text": "Okay, on the amendment to the amendment, Councilor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26839.045, "end": 26839.965, "text": "Yeah, no, I uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26841.025, "end": 26847.525, "text": "I was when Dan was uh when Councillor McClain and I were talking about it, I thought he was actually gonna move the motion on the front yard setbacks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26848.005, "end": 26850.745, "text": "Uh and then that's why I said L, it's L." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26851.805, "end": 26856.445, "text": "I already I know that because it was one that I was actually considering moving, and so I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26856.705, "end": 26858.885, "text": "I do uh appreciate what Counselor uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26859.525, "end": 26859.985, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26860.185, "end": 26865.485, "text": "Pathosopoulos had to say about it because I I too uh was inclined to move that motion as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26866.305, "end": 26869.485, "text": "Uh and for me this one is tough. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26869.665, "end": 26901.245, "text": "And you know, in principle, uh I I like it, but it's I don't think it's it's appropriate um from a from a housing perspective. Um because there are places where we have the primary trans transit networks or uh main corridors, main streets, uh, and then the street right next to it is very much supportive of of this type of housing the whole length of the block. While this may not apply uh in the entire city, um there's there's things that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26901.725, "end": 26903.525, "text": "that restrict this kind of uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26904.045, "end": 26926.545, "text": "development uh outside of those areas that are identified in the local area plan so they wouldn't be supported by administration, somebody could still come forward with an application, but this puts too much of restriction on what kind of housing can be provided, especially in the appropriate locations, like I said, like next to a primary transit network or or nodes or corridors or main streets. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26927.845, "end": 26933.825, "text": "I appreciate the intent here, but I I I can't support this amendment. I would have been more inclined to support" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26934.045, "end": 26938.905, "text": "you know adding L back in, just to say. So yeah, I'm gonna vote against this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26941.485, "end": 26942.985, "text": "All right, uh, before I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 26943.625, "end": 26945.625, "text": "go, uh Councilor Arkans? Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26947.085, "end": 26949.265, "text": "Uh just a question. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26949.525, "end": 26972.305, "text": "um this one here is this one we heard any feedback on from industry? Just going back to like part of the reason why we're selecting the four that were originally there versus the three that are not there is because of industry concern. And so it what did we hear about mid block? Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26973.065, "end": 26977.225, "text": "And single building from industry? Is this a concern?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26979.245, "end": 26984.765, "text": "In my conversations with industry, we hadn't anticipated this, and so we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26985.005, "end": 26992.025, "text": "um had discussed the opportunity to test and model this exactly. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26992.725, "end": 26995.745, "text": "and so I think that's really all I can offer at this point." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26995.865, "end": 27001.245, "text": "That it hasn't, yeah, been gone through that. And then on the contextual setbacks," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27002.525, "end": 27023.225, "text": "like, I guess, like, why is that one not included? Uh, like, what is it that we've heard from industry that's maybe concerning? Like, why is that one not one of the ones that is in the original piece from Councillor Chabot? What would be the potential concern from industry around contextual setbacks?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 27026.625, "end": 27030.165, "text": "And counselor, each one of these um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 27031.285, "end": 27062.125, "text": "Models a little bit of a different constraint on the site. And so taken as a package with the new density modifier, with the height, with the contextual setback, which changes depending on the context of the street. The way that the C works in RCG is that the parcel that's next door there setback provides that context to the to the other piece that we're reviewing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 27062.825, "end": 27095.745, "text": "The short answer is we have not modeled the contextual setback in all circumstances. The long answer is that each one of these considerations are considerations that we are working through in the zoning bylaw and with community feedback. Most recently came forward with that report that on the quarterly report, which summarizes community feedback and contextual front setbacks and dual buildings, is up there on that list of considerations from community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27095.825, "end": 27097.265, "text": "Okay, great. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27100.845, "end": 27101.725, "text": "Counselor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27102.405, "end": 27108.325, "text": "Yeah, yeah. You know, I don't think people understand when we talk amend, amend, amend. We've already voted" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27109.045, "end": 27112.185, "text": "on the original repeal, and everybody voted" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27112.605, "end": 27114.625, "text": "for all the things that were listed in there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27114.985, "end": 27119.205, "text": "Now all this discussion, other amendments have been in maybe just to tighten this up a little bit more." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27119.905, "end": 27127.185, "text": "And now what we're at here, and that many times an hour has gone down the toilet, I'm happy to just vote, repoll mine," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27127.965, "end": 27131.645, "text": "vote no to Councillor Chabot's, and go back to what we all voted yes on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27132.005, "end": 27136.925, "text": "So this is not making sauce. So all we were trying to do is maybe if anybody out there listening" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27137.285, "end": 27140.665, "text": "was not trying to make blanket rezoning reappeal" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27142.285, "end": 27149.725, "text": "less restrictive. And we were just trying to make it more belts and braces put on it. But I'm rid I'm happy if we all are happy. Let's go right back to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27150.045, "end": 27152.745, "text": "the I will go right now to Councillor Chabot's." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27153.065, "end": 27157.605, "text": "And I'm happy to say let's just to vote no to that, like Council Pantopentisopoulos said." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27158.025, "end": 27161.165, "text": "And let's go back to the original, which maybe we could have just voted on originally." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27161.585, "end": 27161.985, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27163.205, "end": 27167.325, "text": "and as far as my two cents, then I'm happy to vote no to any other amendments going forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27167.625, "end": 27169.225, "text": "And vote on what we've already voted for. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27169.825, "end": 27174.865, "text": "Okay, do we have uh general consent to uh allow Councilor McLean to poll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27175.285, "end": 27179.905, "text": "his amendment to the amendment? So it does belong to the body now that it's moved and seconded, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27180.245, "end": 27181.905, "text": "Is anyone opposed to us" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27182.485, "end": 27184.165, "text": "withdrawing this and not voting on it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27186.405, "end": 27204.025, "text": "All right, seeing no opposition, the amendment to the amendment has been polled. We are back on the original amendment, I believe we began on about five hours ago. So uh council uh any further discussion on uh counselor Chabot's amendment? Uh Counselor Tyres? Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 27205.505, "end": 27223.725, "text": "Yeah. Okay. So this has gotten like way out of hand and really emotional. And quite frankly, that apology earlier wasn't good enough. When I have somebody's voice literally screaming in my ear, that needs to be a direct apology. And you wonder why women don't get involved in politics?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 27224.265, "end": 27244.005, "text": "That's it. Like look around. I'm the only woman here. I do not appreciate getting bullied, uh, being like calling names like just because I have a specific point of view. Um just wanted to say that first of all. Going back to the original amendment, um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27243.945, "end": 27248.025, "text": "And let's uh just have that as a point of privilege so it doesn't eat your time. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 27248.745, "end": 27249.845, "text": "thanks. Appreciate that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27249.885, "end": 27251.505, "text": "And that's well taken. I acknowledged." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 27251.765, "end": 27260.305, "text": "Okay. Um, so when this definition for RCG came up in December, I also voted against it for the same reason." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 27261.005, "end": 27263.785, "text": "People were not consulted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 27264.545, "end": 27289.925, "text": "It was snuck in, and people didn't understand what it meant. You know, talk to my residents, like they would have no idea what this means. I am on the side of my residents. I will not vote for something that puts us back in the same position as previous counsel, in which we're making policy on the floor and we're making sweeping decisions that weren't tested with the people. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 27291.445, "end": 27330.025, "text": "Yeah, for me, for me it's the same. I'm going to be voting against all the amendments. And if we have to go back to the original definition of RCG because that's what was forced upon us, then so be it. But I really wish there was an opportunity to pressure test these ideas with the public. So maybe that's something we can think about is I hate to say it, but another amendment to see if we can add an element of pressure testing with the public if it does pass. Like whether it be the amendment that Counselor Chabot brought forward or whether it be the original definition of RCG that was changed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27331.705, "end": 27332.185, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27332.665, "end": 27334.905, "text": "We'll go to uh Councilor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27336.625, "end": 27338.065, "text": "thank you, worship. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27338.845, "end": 27380.805, "text": "Yeah, this has been a little weird to me over the past little bit, I agree. Uh so I just want to get clear for everybody watching online, everybody, everybody around here, we have repealed blanket rezoning. We still have to vote on two more readings of the bylaw, but blanket rezoning has been l has been repealed. RCG, which is the primary culprit of blanket rezoning, has literally been wiped off the map. There's a couple tiny spots where it's left, but it's it's gone from 90 plus percent of the places where it was before. Uh this right now, what we've been talking about, is trying to make the thing that doesn't really exist on the map even more restrictive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27381.405, "end": 27412.385, "text": "Uh I'm fine with that. That that actually is what a lot of my neighbors were looking for in uh in uh in Ward 4. And so I won't be supporting this. I'm happy with what can uh what what we what we've already voted on. Uh I had I had one big guess today. I'm gonna go with a bunch of little no's from here on in. Uh but yeah, this is we we've already done it. We've we've taken blanket rezoning literally off the map, and this is just uh us playing around with uh uh a piece of paper saying what should the piece of paper say. It's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27413.165, "end": 27466.525, "text": "The final thing I'll say on this too is that uh not only is it us playing around with the piece of paper, but it's only for about 18 months because we got the zoning bylaw coming, everyone. The zoning bylaw is the place where we a lot of these changes and the conversations we got we got about 18 months or so to get out there, start consulting with our neighbors, having conversations about what it is that you'd like to see, getting local area plans as up-to-date as possible, all of those kinds of things, because that is the real work that's before us here. Uh, in terms of what we're taking a look at right now. Uh, this is just sort of uh us playing around with the piece of paper, and uh it doesn't exist on the map, so it doesn't really make a a a huge amount of difference. So um anyway, I've taken enough council's time talking about it, but I just want to make it real clear for everybody who's listening exactly what's going on. Uh, we've already repealed the blanket rezoning, barring our last two uh uh readings of the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27466.805, "end": 27467.445, "text": "Thank you, Roshan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27468.525, "end": 27479.945, "text": "I really want to just jump in on a couple things that were said here. So, Councilor Kelly, uh nothing has been repealed at this point. Uh it blanket rezoning is repealed after the third reading." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27480.325, "end": 27485.145, "text": "And when I signed the the paper personally, so all the bylaws actually get the signature. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27485.445, "end": 27491.665, "text": "nothing is repealed until the signature uh is achieved. So I could just it's a technical point I want to make clear." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27491.825, "end": 27496.965, "text": "Yeah, and a question of privilege. I think I did say that that until we get the last two readings done. Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27497.045, "end": 27497.745, "text": "Fair enough." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27497.885, "end": 27509.765, "text": "Uh and then also uh Councilor Tyres had mentioned uh perhaps an intent of not having any of uh the the further restrictions from Councilor Wynus reflected in the document. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27509.905, "end": 27515.585, "text": "the opportunity for council would have been uh Councilor Johnston's amendment to the amendment to delete all of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27516.105, "end": 27521.885, "text": "uh various bullets. If it's the intent of council to revisit that discussion, we could reconsider that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27522.385, "end": 27529.185, "text": "amendment to the amendment. But we voted essentially against uh doing a clean cut out of this, so now we're in a bit of an" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27529.745, "end": 27531.345, "text": "Awkward uh middle ground." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27531.665, "end": 27535.465, "text": "What I will say, and just uh add myself here to debate, uh initially" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27535.725, "end": 27538.465, "text": "I went into this with a desire to be a bit" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27538.705, "end": 27543.245, "text": "willingness to have an open mind to my colleagues in terms of what further amendments could be required." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27543.525, "end": 27544.905, "text": "Fine tune tinkering." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27545.365, "end": 27554.745, "text": "Um I really regret that. I think at this point I would really challenge us, colleagues, to be as disciplined as possible in terms of whether you wish to uh even second." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27555.105, "end": 27559.265, "text": "Amendments on a go-forward basis, the more muddied, the more convoluted this process" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27559.565, "end": 27566.705, "text": "uh becomes, the the greater risk that uh we are at further eroding public trust, to Councillor Johnston's point uh to yours, Councilor Tyres." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27566.925, "end": 27570.665, "text": "I think the few the the further meddling amendments, amendments to amendments," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27571.045, "end": 27573.085, "text": "it doesn't get to the heart of what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27573.385, "end": 27579.605, "text": "the reason what that I originally supported the repeal was was to be in the process of public trust." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27579.825, "end": 27583.325, "text": "There's some really good ideas floating around. I know um many of you had." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27583.685, "end": 27585.945, "text": "Um uh tested me on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27586.085, "end": 27589.085, "text": "or just focused tested me on, say, various amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27589.525, "end": 27596.285, "text": "I was initially willing to support those, but I think personally at this point the best way to achieve those outcomes or further fine tuning" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27596.565, "end": 27601.425, "text": "would be through the land use bylaw review and just have that conversation for another day." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27601.625, "end": 27609.185, "text": "Otherwise, uh I think that we could end up damaging ourselves quite further in terms of what the public confidence is in terms of us as a body. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27609.545, "end": 27619.245, "text": "Um I am going to need a hell of a good reason in order to support any amendments going forward beyond what was initially uh approved by council here. So I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27619.645, "end": 27635.445, "text": "with that uh I'm gonna go through the uh the speaker's list. And again, I'll just urge you colleagues to please be as disciplined as possible through this so that we can have a uh relatively speedy resolution to this issue and as clean a repeal as possible uh for Calgarians so that we can begin" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27635.745, "end": 27639.505, "text": "that process of uh to your point, Councillor Kelly, building up better than" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27639.665, "end": 27641.045, "text": "what was before. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27641.365, "end": 27643.265, "text": "Uh Councillor Schmidt, please. On" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27643.685, "end": 27650.685, "text": "Councillor Shabot's amendment, not further amended. It's still what Councillor Shabot initially pitched us on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 27651.145, "end": 27652.885, "text": "Yes. And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 27653.925, "end": 27678.585, "text": "I want to speak in support of Councillor Chabot's amendment. I think he took a reasonable approach here where we have some changes to RCG that have been tested and that will address some of the concerns raised during the public hearing from members of the public. And the compromise here is the motion arising that I expect" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 27678.825, "end": 27680.385, "text": "he will be bringing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 27680.625, "end": 27684.305, "text": "should this pass, is that the additional ones" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 27685.125, "end": 27688.805, "text": "We'll go through that stress testing and modeling" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 27689.525, "end": 27694.205, "text": "process to see if they will work. Because if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 27694.725, "end": 27703.085, "text": "we do not pass this, we're going to have a mess on our hands and effectively not only kill" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 27704.805, "end": 27737.285, "text": "Things that are currently in the pipeline, but create so much confusion that RCG will be an effectively dead form of land use. And we have again, we've repealed things. We have the public hearings where these will come to us along with duplexes, along with everything else that's going to come to a public hearing where we can decide as counsel if it's appropriate for where it's being proposed, which was, I think, the original intention that everybody wanted. If we don't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 27737.885, "end": 27746.745, "text": "do this, then you know, maybe things will go to MCG, maybe they will go to HGO, maybe they will go to other forms that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 27747.625, "end": 27752.945, "text": "We're going to like even less or we'll provide less flexibility. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 27753.465, "end": 27764.025, "text": "I'm going to support this because it was thought out and it took into consideration all of the factors that are before us here. Yes, it's complicated, but again," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 27764.525, "end": 27771.385, "text": "think about the consequences that we're going to be giving ourselves as a council here to provide housing where it's appropriate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27772.385, "end": 27774.785, "text": "All right, over to Councilor Johnson, please, on the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27775.425, "end": 27778.565, "text": "Yeah, Counselor Schmidt uh nailed it right there saying" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27779.145, "end": 27780.285, "text": "some of this works," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27781.125, "end": 27782.305, "text": "but some of it doesn't." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27783.065, "end": 27794.285, "text": "So why not bring it back to the people and to us, administration, industry, and come back with something that fully works, not a half-baked idea that only gets us halfway there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27795.825, "end": 27797.185, "text": "Do not vote for this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27797.665, "end": 27804.125, "text": "Let it go back to what it was. Yes, it's going to suck for people that don't like the regular RCG," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27804.845, "end": 27809.725, "text": "but we can come back with something better than what's proposed to us right this second." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27810.305, "end": 27811.965, "text": "Please do not vote for any" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27813.025, "end": 27814.005, "text": "for this amendment," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27815.045, "end": 27816.745, "text": "and we can come back with something better." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27818.285, "end": 27820.165, "text": "All right, uh Deputy Mayor Jameson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27822.785, "end": 27823.965, "text": "Yeah, just to kind of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27824.165, "end": 27824.865, "text": "I think just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27825.545, "end": 27827.145, "text": "echo a little bit what you said, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27827.545, "end": 27828.805, "text": "I I think that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27829.525, "end": 27830.505, "text": "this does" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27831.245, "end": 27832.625, "text": "add to the notion that," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27833.385, "end": 27836.985, "text": "or I guess this does continue to erode public trust." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27838.105, "end": 27839.205, "text": "So I cannot support it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27839.425, "end": 27839.865, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27843.985, "end": 27846.845, "text": "All right, uh to close on your" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27847.225, "end": 27849.245, "text": "Nope. Uh Councilor Atkinson, please, on the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27850.545, "end": 27853.865, "text": "I so yeah, I just I guess um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27855.985, "end": 27861.785, "text": "how how concerned is administration around sterilizing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27862.585, "end": 27867.605, "text": "townhome, row home development with the proposes as we've" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27867.865, "end": 27869.925, "text": "passed as a council already?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27872.225, "end": 27906.125, "text": "If they go forward in their entirety and we don't have this split that Councillor Chabo is proposing, how concerned is administration that we will not see townhomes and row homes built? Like when you bring in different factors, CMHC select these different ideas, I guess like, and I that's I guess the work that you would like to be able to do in that what's being proposed, but uh how concerned are you that if this doesn't pass, that we basically are not going to see townhome, row home uh style buildings anymore to Councillor Schmidt's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27908.165, "end": 27908.705, "text": "debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27909.465, "end": 27911.925, "text": "Councillor Atkinson, I think it will depend on the parcel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27912.525, "end": 27913.385, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27913.825, "end": 27914.405, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27916.025, "end": 27917.585, "text": "it will certainly limit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27917.885, "end": 27920.225, "text": "Like we we would no longer see the four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27921.025, "end": 27922.365, "text": "By four, we would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27922.665, "end": 27927.045, "text": "only see parcel, we would not, or corner parcels, not mid-block." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27927.185, "end": 27931.065, "text": "So certainly it would reduce the number of parcels available" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27931.325, "end": 27933.325, "text": "to see" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27934.045, "end": 27935.005, "text": "a triplex." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27935.005, "end": 27940.125, "text": "Right. But on those parcels that are still available to the triplex," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27941.085, "end": 27952.505, "text": "do are we worried like on the three by three, the which is the density factor, the sort of 60 uh units per hectare, how concerned are we that that on a sort of like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27953.125, "end": 27962.165, "text": "uh buildability front, the pro forma, the like will builders actually build it, right? Does it actually make like economic sense, or will they just build semi," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27962.685, "end": 27965.405, "text": "like just go to R RC2 instead?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27965.425, "end": 27973.825, "text": "I think that's a reasonable assumption that we would see more singles and semis. We would like to test and model" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27974.565, "end": 27978.805, "text": "that density, particularly, to understand if it's achievable or not." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27981.385, "end": 27982.005, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27983.025, "end": 28053.185, "text": "I'm going to reluctantly support this. I think that the idea is strong. I think what Councillor Chabot is bringing in is right. We should probably be doing the testing and vetting in advance. My concern with it is that we are shrinking the overall lot coverage on the site, and that is going to mean that the building is smaller. And when the building is smaller, you are now going to get four units potentially that are quite a bit like skinnier than what we see in a fourpex currently. I'm just a bit worried about the livability factors on what those smaller footprints of those units entails for the folks living inside, light, natural light coming in, these kinds of factors. So I will support the motion and I will definitely then be supporting the motion arising because I think the two go hand in hand to do that work so that when we land this come August, we actually come out the other side with something that we've vetted with industry, but meets sort of the community context and hopefully build something that Calgaryans uh see as their house. So I'll end on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28054.665, "end": 28064.505, "text": "Thank you. Before I go to Councilor Shabot, I'm just gonna again reiterate what my understanding of this motion is, and and you can correct me, Councillor Shabot, if you feel uh I've not fairly portrayed it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28065.085, "end": 28071.445, "text": "Uh baked into the land use bylaw that we gave, or the amending bylaw that we gave to the first reading" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28071.765, "end": 28074.125, "text": "was some further restrictions on RCG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28074.485, "end": 28076.225, "text": "And before us is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28076.525, "end": 28079.045, "text": "uh some of those restrictions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28079.305, "end": 28088.645, "text": "Uh Councilor Shabot, through his amendment, is proposing to lift or not to implement some of the uh further restrictions. So I'll I'll go over to uh Councilor Shabot, please to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28090.645, "end": 28091.825, "text": "Thank you. Before I close," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28092.605, "end": 28094.585, "text": "I uh I'd like to formally" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28094.725, "end": 28096.885, "text": "apologize to Councillor Tyres. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28097.345, "end": 28099.985, "text": "what I said was inappropriate, and I'm sorry, I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28100.885, "end": 28102.165, "text": "lost my cool. I'm sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28103.145, "end": 28103.625, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28104.885, "end": 28105.205, "text": "now" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28105.585, "end": 28107.505, "text": "I hope everyone's listening to what I have to say" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28108.325, "end": 28108.905, "text": "because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28109.125, "end": 28110.125, "text": "I think it's important." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28111.265, "end": 28114.005, "text": "If you don't fall if you don't support this," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28114.745, "end": 28118.625, "text": "then you're actually supporting every one of Councillor Wynus's amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28121.545, "end": 28122.965, "text": "And I don't know if I'm clear here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28123.685, "end": 28126.745, "text": "This is to not do Councilor Wynus' amendments," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28127.785, "end": 28129.705, "text": "but maybe do a couple." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28130.505, "end": 28131.745, "text": "If you vote this down," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28132.045, "end": 28137.405, "text": "then we go to do all of Councilor Wynus' amendments. So if you want to do a full repeal," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28138.545, "end": 28140.665, "text": "this is the closest thing to that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28142.025, "end": 28148.185, "text": "If you don't do this, then you're not doing a full repeal because you're including all of Wynus' amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28150.185, "end": 28151.625, "text": "Because doing nothing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28152.045, "end": 28154.345, "text": "means all of her amendments go forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28155.285, "end": 28156.885, "text": "They're already in the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28157.965, "end": 28161.305, "text": "If you look at the operative motion of my my motion is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28161.885, "end": 28163.565, "text": "to delete" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28164.025, "end": 28168.065, "text": "everything in recommendation number four, which is all of Wynus' amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28169.565, "end": 28170.105, "text": "But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28171.345, "end": 28172.685, "text": "keep parking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28173.525, "end": 28174.965, "text": "We heard from the public" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28175.945, "end": 28177.445, "text": "reduce the height," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28178.405, "end": 28181.745, "text": "reduce the massing, reduce the lot coverage." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28182.185, "end": 28203.745, "text": "Uh eliminate zero lot lines. We heard that during this public hearing. So when we talk about we need to engage the public, that's what we've done for the last nine days. We've engaged the public. And these are the things they said, well, we don't know what all these amendments are, but this is what we would like. This is what we'd like to see incorporated in the bylaw. This is how if you're gonna amend it, amend this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28204.305, "end": 28205.665, "text": "But don't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28206.145, "end": 28208.325, "text": "go back to 50% parking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28208.825, "end": 28218.705, "text": "If you don't support this, that's what you're putting back in is 50% parking relaxation throughout the city. Well, I get we can make these amendments into the future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28219.325, "end": 28225.105, "text": "Some of these things are are not cannot be applied properly. Like I said before," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28226.105, "end": 28228.565, "text": "if you allow all of the amendments to go through," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28229.305, "end": 28236.865, "text": "there's it's going to be very hard, and I know we don't want to talk about economics, but it's going to be very hard to defend our position" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28237.105, "end": 28239.505, "text": "with the federal government on the housing accelerator fund." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28239.825, "end": 28247.565, "text": "Because you've now further, if you allow all the amendments to go through, you've further restricted the ability to to build RCG anywhere in the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28248.085, "end": 28248.585, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28250.085, "end": 28251.665, "text": "anyways, uh I mean I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28252.085, "end": 28255.745, "text": "I can't really fully quantify the implications of not doing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28256.265, "end": 28256.685, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28257.045, "end": 28259.405, "text": "limiting the amount of amendments that we make," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28259.705, "end": 28267.705, "text": "insofar as still meeting the test of providing housing, uh satisfying the the citizens," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28268.125, "end": 28281.245, "text": "and uh and and not offending the industry so that they'll actually continue to build stuff and maybe actually be able to defend our position with the federal government with this new this new uh uh bylaw that's before us now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28281.645, "end": 28282.005, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28282.565, "end": 28284.045, "text": "If you don't support this," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28284.645, "end": 28298.265, "text": "I'm not sure what the step for go forward step is because that means that all of Councillor Weinus's amendments are now on in the bylaw, which is going to be what's going to be before us at second and third reading. Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28301.185, "end": 28307.085, "text": "Thank you. On that, uh any further clarification required from members of council before we call the vote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28308.825, "end": 28310.565, "text": "Yeah, I was just gonna ask admin." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28311.225, "end": 28313.925, "text": "If this passes, can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28314.345, "end": 28315.305, "text": "I do a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28316.525, "end": 28319.865, "text": "not a reconsideration, but a similar vote" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28320.445, "end": 28321.325, "text": "to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28321.925, "end": 28322.845, "text": "eliminate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28323.405, "end": 28324.625, "text": "number four" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28326.305, "end": 28328.285, "text": "as I try to with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28329.005, "end": 28337.385, "text": "Well, get back to you on that. I just want to be crystal clear on this vote. It's very extremely unusual to allow more commentary after a close. I just want to make sure we understand this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28337.545, "end": 28338.045, "text": "okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28338.045, "end": 28346.145, "text": "what the implication is. I apologize. I'll go to you right after that as far as what may be allowed. I just want everyone to understand the specific vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28346.925, "end": 28347.325, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28347.725, "end": 28351.085, "text": "Uh with that, uh Mr. Clark, let's um please engage the e vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 28367.585, "end": 28369.145, "text": "On the amendment, your vote, please, Councillor Ward?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 28370.625, "end": 28371.005, "text": "Yes?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 28372.145, "end": 28373.685, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Yule, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 28374.845, "end": 28375.125, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 28376.765, "end": 28377.145, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 28379.185, "end": 28382.505, "text": "We are having a problem with E Scrab here. Let me pivot around." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 28395.585, "end": 28397.045, "text": "Sorry, Councilor Clark, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 28401.965, "end": 28402.665, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 28403.585, "end": 28404.045, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 28404.345, "end": 28405.945, "text": "And Councilor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 28406.165, "end": 28406.485, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 28408.365, "end": 28408.985, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 28409.185, "end": 28410.545, "text": "Mayor, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28410.825, "end": 28412.285, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28414.705, "end": 28418.745, "text": "On that, the uh motion is carried nine to six with counselors Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28419.105, "end": 28422.525, "text": "Pentasopoulos, Yule, Jameson, Tyres, and Yas" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28423.245, "end": 28426.385, "text": "opposed. I'm gonna go back to you, Counselor Johnston, uh, to speak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28427.505, "end": 28430.345, "text": "Yeah, sorry, are there any procedural um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28431.625, "end": 28435.725, "text": "avenues to eliminate the main motion number four" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28436.525, "end": 28438.905, "text": "after the first reading?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28442.725, "end": 28444.165, "text": "Sorry, that's for the clerks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 28447.185, "end": 28449.265, "text": "Sorry, Councillor Johnson, can you repeat the question, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28450.865, "end": 28452.785, "text": "Um, sorry, my question is uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28453.685, "end": 28455.845, "text": "can we do anything to eliminate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28457.785, "end": 28459.565, "text": "Oh I'm tired. I'll just actually" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28461.985, "end": 28463.925, "text": "I understand, Counselor Johnston, is we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28464.385, "end": 28470.325, "text": "attempt to settle that question via your amendment to the amendment, which would have served to put on the table" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28470.745, "end": 28479.065, "text": "a complete deletion of that. So uh not technically a reconsideration, but this matter, this business has been settled by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28479.385, "end": 28488.645, "text": "Council, you could attempt to do it a different way so that's not the exact same text of the amendment to the amendment, but I think it'll be challenging for you to get a second or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28488.645, "end": 28489.725, "text": "Right, I I've just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28489.925, "end": 28499.825, "text": "Because it was under uh Councilor Shabot's amendment that I brought that motion forward. I'm wondering if I can make the same motion under" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28500.405, "end": 28502.665, "text": "Jennifer Wine uh Councilor Wynus's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28503.425, "end": 28504.185, "text": "amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28504.385, "end": 28510.685, "text": "I am probably gonna rule the spirit of the procedure bylaw would ask uh for reconsideration with at least one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28511.145, "end": 28513.645, "text": "individual from the prevailing side making that motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28513.945, "end": 28519.945, "text": "Again, it's not a pure reconsideration, but to attempt something as an amendment rather than an amendment to the amendment," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28520.205, "end": 28523.425, "text": "even if it's the same language, uh I would deem that to be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28523.725, "end": 28526.125, "text": "uh uh trying to renew old business." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28526.245, "end": 28527.885, "text": "So on a on a point of order, um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28527.885, "end": 28528.605, "text": "Counselor Shabot, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28528.845, "end": 28530.105, "text": "respectfully, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28530.705, "end": 28533.265, "text": "being as we've already voted on which um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28533.585, "end": 28534.025, "text": "which" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28534.525, "end": 28536.305, "text": "ones of recommendation for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28536.565, "end": 28538.905, "text": "uh that we were prepared to move forward with." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28539.365, "end": 28544.445, "text": "Uh I would argue that any motion um to go against that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28544.725, "end": 28553.065, "text": "would be contrary to the motion that we voted on, and therefore the only way that we could actually vote on that would be to first reconsider" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28553.365, "end": 28555.205, "text": "the decision that we've just made." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28555.765, "end": 28558.965, "text": "And if that then gets voted to be reconsidered," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28559.105, "end": 28565.065, "text": "then I think it would be appropriate for him to bring forward that motion. But as it stands, being as we've already voted on this motion" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28565.385, "end": 28566.545, "text": "to accept some of them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28566.745, "end": 28570.425, "text": "That that's well taken. Counselor Shabot, my my ruling then is going to be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28570.765, "end": 28572.225, "text": "section four has been settled." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28572.645, "end": 28580.225, "text": "And if further amendments or discussion on section four is required, then I'll be seeking a reconsideration of the motion that we just passed. So if you want to open up" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28580.605, "end": 28581.745, "text": "section four again," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28582.085, "end": 28588.585, "text": "let's uh we can reconsider what was just passed, but I'm not going to acknowledge or place any motions uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28588.825, "end": 28590.925, "text": "uh to the effect of impacting section four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28591.705, "end": 28592.925, "text": "Okay. Fair enough. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28593.305, "end": 28596.745, "text": "And does anyone want to challenge that or further tinkering to section four?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28598.465, "end": 28603.185, "text": "Okay, section four has been resolved. I'm I'm going back into time here in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28604.085, "end": 28608.205, "text": "in history. I believe, Counselor Wynus, uh you are in the queue for an amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 28610.785, "end": 28640.445, "text": "Yes, I have an amendment to the RG definitions that were a part of the repeal. As we've heard from administration, that RG is applicable to greenfield development. This repeal is taking us back where they will need development permits continuously. However, it is in the best interest of building to continue to allow RG to maintain the updated definition. So I have a proposal to keep the updated RG definitions that traditionally apply to greenfield development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28642.385, "end": 28649.265, "text": "All right, so uh let's uh give clerks a moment just to display that on the screen. Uh could we ask administration to weigh in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28649.525, "end": 28652.085, "text": "on this and what your review of that amendment uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28652.605, "end": 28657.385, "text": "led? Counselor uh Hamilton, yep. I didn't mean to demote you, GM." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28658.585, "end": 28659.065, "text": "Please go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28659.265, "end": 28661.765, "text": "I respect what you do, but I would never do it myself." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28662.165, "end": 28662.925, "text": "You don't want to do it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28663.785, "end": 28670.825, "text": "Councillor Wine S, may I just clarify with you? Is this your amendment to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28671.445, "end": 28675.205, "text": "uh essentially retain the RG zoning?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 28676.005, "end": 28676.445, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28677.005, "end": 28687.765, "text": "Okay, so not quite the definition, but if we look at the main recommendation, uh recommendation 2B, I believe that is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 28688.325, "end": 28688.465, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28689.265, "end": 28689.845, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28690.405, "end": 28695.285, "text": "So I think clerks, that's the one that you've got, correct? Right. So that's now on the screen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28696.025, "end": 28704.225, "text": "And could could we have you weigh in, uh Jim Hamilton, in terms of what the practical impact of this is? And ideally as plain words as possible." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28704.845, "end": 28705.465, "text": "Sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28706.005, "end": 28707.405, "text": "Uh so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28709.025, "end": 28712.645, "text": "recommendation two asked us to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28714.185, "end": 28717.325, "text": "recommend is the repeal and the changes to the maps." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28718.925, "end": 28719.525, "text": "A" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28719.825, "end": 28724.465, "text": "is referencing all the RCG parcels going back to their previous districts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28725.025, "end": 28729.085, "text": "B is referencing the RG parcels going back to their districts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28729.585, "end": 28733.485, "text": "And C is referencing the HGO districts going back to their district," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28733.745, "end": 28735.005, "text": "their previous districts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28735.405, "end": 28743.325, "text": "What Councillor Wyness is proposing is that for B, for the RG districts, that they retain their RG designation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28745.085, "end": 28745.445, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28746.365, "end": 28749.105, "text": "Um based on that, uh, is there a seconder" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28749.885, "end": 28752.445, "text": "for this from Councillor uh Wynus? Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28752.665, "end": 28754.005, "text": "second by Deputy Mayor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28760.085, "end": 28764.545, "text": "All right, and I admit not to fully understanding what this is. Uh we've repealed" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28765.125, "end": 28773.425, "text": "uh everything uh less the the what is going back to RG, and this is to exempt RG from that change." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28774.425, "end": 28781.645, "text": "So with first reading of the bylaw, all three of so if you look at the recommendations" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28782.025, "end": 28794.565, "text": "with first reading of the bylaw to A, B, and C are being put on the floor. What Councilor YNASA is now asking is to remove to B such that all those parcels that have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28795.065, "end": 28795.605, "text": "the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28796.245, "end": 28798.485, "text": "current district of RG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28799.845, "end": 28805.865, "text": "retain RG and are not repealed as they were to the districts before August 2024." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28806.965, "end": 28812.505, "text": "And when we look at a map functionally, that's the what was built past uh 2015." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28814.725, "end": 28820.525, "text": "It's the kind of the developing Ms. Davies Mulaki. Could you help me with the the annual" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28820.525, "end": 28822.425, "text": "Ward 12, Ward 2, Ward 14." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 28823.885, "end": 28824.705, "text": "I'll look to my team." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28824.945, "end": 28831.105, "text": "Mayor, that would be reflected in new communities that were built before 2016." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28832.625, "end": 28838.665, "text": "So again, this is uh existing houses with people living in them and not future, not just future ones that are yet to be built." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28838.665, "end": 28839.045, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28839.105, "end": 28839.385, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28842.505, "end": 28844.665, "text": "All right, uh on that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28844.885, "end": 28846.245, "text": "Councilor Chabot, please to speak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28847.265, "end": 28850.085, "text": "Yeah, no, I need to understand this. So I thought everything that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28851.165, "end": 28854.585, "text": "that didn't get changed with the blanket zoning retained its land use." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28855.185, "end": 28857.565, "text": "So anything that was RG before the blanket zoning" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28858.185, "end": 28859.165, "text": "retained RG," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28859.885, "end": 28860.265, "text": "correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28860.365, "end": 28866.545, "text": "That is correct. There were 80, about 88,000 units that were rezoned through blanket rezoning" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28867.345, "end": 28868.885, "text": "that went to RG" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28869.985, "end": 28873.265, "text": "in new community. So they these are homes that were built prior" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28874.245, "end": 28874.905, "text": "to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28875.225, "end": 28877.445, "text": "the district coming into effect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28878.485, "end": 28879.665, "text": "So 88,000" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28880.145, "end": 28880.585, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28880.905, "end": 28883.005, "text": "that are now going to retain the RG," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28883.765, "end": 28884.905, "text": "and where would those be?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28885.665, "end": 28888.305, "text": "They are in areas like Mackenzie Town." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28889.065, "end": 28890.465, "text": "So they wouldn't go back to R1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28891.585, "end": 28892.905, "text": "Were any of them developed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28893.545, "end": 28894.005, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28894.685, "end": 28895.065, "text": "How many?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28896.385, "end": 28897.325, "text": "88,000." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28897.525, "end": 28900.185, "text": "88,000 were developed as RG units," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28900.305, "end": 28904.285, "text": "They no, they were developed as R1, R1N," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28904.885, "end": 28906.945, "text": "R2, and R1S." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28907.625, "end": 28910.965, "text": "And then through rezoning, they were rezoned to RG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28911.285, "end": 28912.325, "text": "but they've all been" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28912.765, "end": 28914.545, "text": "built as single family." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28915.725, "end": 28919.725, "text": "That is uh or or under R2, there may be some semis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28922.025, "end": 28923.645, "text": "So if this doesn't get approved," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28924.445, "end": 28926.785, "text": "the ones that would develop to R2 would go to R2," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28927.905, "end": 28930.845, "text": "They would go back to they would they would go" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 28931.065, "end": 28933.865, "text": "they if it's not approved, they would go back to R2." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28934.185, "end": 28934.465, "text": "right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28935.245, "end": 28937.245, "text": "Which I think that's what the intent of the blanket" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28938.025, "end": 28939.185, "text": "reversal was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28939.645, "end": 28941.085, "text": "to revert back to what they were" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28941.905, "end": 28945.905, "text": "before. I don't know, I don't understand this. Because anything that's in Greenfield" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28946.465, "end": 28947.405, "text": "that was RG" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28948.345, "end": 28950.125, "text": "will retain its RG designation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28950.945, "end": 28952.705, "text": "The only ones that we're talking about here are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28954.185, "end": 28958.405, "text": "ones that have never been developed as RG, but were developed," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 28960.225, "end": 28966.745, "text": "So there are two areas in our city an established area and a developing area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 28967.505, "end": 28970.585, "text": "And there is a line that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 28971.325, "end": 28977.265, "text": "we transitioned from RCG zoning, so the C for contextual, to RG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 28978.025, "end": 28992.925, "text": "And there are 88,000 parcels that are in the developing area that at the time of development, they were R1, no C, R1, R2, R1S." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 28993.185, "end": 29000.365, "text": "An R1N. We were not using an RG at the time when those were being developed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 29000.365, "end": 29000.625, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29000.985, "end": 29005.165, "text": "In 2016, that is when we started to use RG" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29005.605, "end": 29033.305, "text": "extensively with very, very, very small exceptions in all new communities. So the area that was developed in our developing area that was prior to 2016 had 88,000 parcels that will not be RG after this rezoning. It will go back to those former R1, R2, R1N, R1S." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29034.105, "end": 29038.945, "text": "and were all of those parcels developed? Or is there some that are undeveloped in those areas?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29038.945, "end": 29041.605, "text": "I can't say for certain t that they are all" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29041.925, "end": 29042.625, "text": "developed," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29043.245, "end": 29044.125, "text": "but they were." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29045.585, "end": 29051.905, "text": "They are in communities that were built at a time that would have been master planned communities in new greenfield areas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29052.525, "end": 29052.905, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29053.065, "end": 29053.505, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29053.945, "end": 29078.225, "text": "debate and questions all in one here. Is that what this is? All right. So I'm going to I'm going to recommend the council vote against this recommendation because essentially our R1 is R1. And so in the master plan communities where they have RG, they they have clearly delineated where they're going to put single family and where they're going to put multifamily. So this idea of retaining the RG means that in the future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29078.425, "end": 29080.725, "text": "They wouldn't have to go through any kind of a land use to put" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29080.985, "end": 29082.765, "text": "a row house next to a single family." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29083.305, "end": 29086.885, "text": "In in the middle of the block, even for that matter, because this would allow it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29087.165, "end": 29087.785, "text": "The RG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29088.465, "end": 29090.145, "text": "So no, I I can't support this. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29091.005, "end": 29099.925, "text": "um master plan communities typically will have row towns as they refer to them and they'll put row house next to row house next to row house. Even though they have RG, they won't put" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29100.185, "end": 29102.465, "text": "a row house next to a single family." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29102.985, "end": 29133.485, "text": "This essentially opens up that opportunity in those in those uh areas and and for that reason I I can't support this amendment. All of the existing RG in the green field will retain their RG designation so that they can continue to be master plan and continue to have rural houses and and townhouses. And with the amendments that we supported, they don't even need to go for a development permit. They can go directly to a building permit. So all of those things are already built into what we've already approved, at least at first reading. We just need to get it through to third reading" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29134.005, "end": 29137.125, "text": "for all those to continue to be applied that way. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29137.625, "end": 29140.705, "text": "Please don't support this. This essentially is is uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29141.485, "end": 29144.125, "text": "you know not doing what we said we were gonna do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29144.505, "end": 29145.345, "text": "It's not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29145.545, "end": 29148.125, "text": "reverting back to what what it was." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29148.445, "end": 29153.445, "text": "It it wasn't our it wasn't RG before. It shouldn't be RG now. It's already developed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 29153.945, "end": 29154.845, "text": "Please don't support this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29156.165, "end": 29158.725, "text": "All right, I'm gonna go to Deputy Mary Jameson. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29158.985, "end": 29161.565, "text": "I think you have a request to to pull whether or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29161.865, "end": 29164.265, "text": "to see if you can pull having seconded the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 29164.265, "end": 29166.525, "text": "So I'd like to retract my seconding." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29167.165, "end": 29168.105, "text": "So uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29168.485, "end": 29174.525, "text": "Mr. Clerk, I believe on in Robert's I believe the procedure bylaw is silent on this, but Robert's rules of order would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29175.165, "end": 29179.025, "text": "indicate that once a second has been given, it's not possible to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29179.825, "end": 29181.445, "text": "to having to have withdrawn that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 29181.725, "end": 29188.425, "text": "The Mayor, section D.3 sub five of the procedure bylaw says a motion which has been moved and seconded" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 29188.805, "end": 29200.725, "text": "is the property of council or council committee and may be withdrawn by the unanimous consent of all members present without the requirement for a vote. If one member does not provide consent, the motion stands." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29201.305, "end": 29205.345, "text": "Okay, so in order to uh uh to assist with uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29206.485, "end": 29212.685, "text": "uh Deputy Mary Jameson's request, I need unanimous consent to withdraw the motion and then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29213.145, "end": 29225.205, "text": "Uh following that I will acknowledge Councillor Winessa to have moved the motion and I will seek a different seconder. But for us to get Counselor Jameson's name off of this, first we need unanimous consent. And maybe if you could speak to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 29225.205, "end": 29240.505, "text": "Yes, there's I think there's a few other people that don't mind seconding it. So if it's okay, I'd like to take my name off, and then I think uh counselor Schmidt, I think he was ready to to also support it. So if everyone's okay with that, I'd like to take mine and then uh then there's I believe there's another seconder." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29240.725, "end": 29243.145, "text": "is there anyone opposed to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29243.705, "end": 29246.065, "text": "this being withdrawn? We require unanimous consent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29247.705, "end": 29248.245, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 29248.245, "end": 29248.565, "text": "Second." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 29248.825, "end": 29249.325, "text": "Raj." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29250.205, "end": 29256.505, "text": "Sorry. Counselor Dallywell, I believe that you're you're not opposed to withdrawal, but you're willing to second the motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 29257.585, "end": 29258.045, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29258.125, "end": 29258.425, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 29258.425, "end": 29259.625, "text": "For Counselor Wybez." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29259.625, "end": 29264.225, "text": "All right. Uh I believe we've we've achieved uh unanimous consent to withdraw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29264.925, "end": 29268.905, "text": "this motion. I don't believe it's a reconsideration to table it. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29269.305, "end": 29270.265, "text": "Once more," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29270.505, "end": 29271.705, "text": "uh, Mr. Clerk. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29272.005, "end": 29275.025, "text": "I'm gonna deem that Councilor Wynus moved the exact same" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29275.525, "end": 29281.145, "text": "uh text, and then I'm gonna acknowledge Councilor Dallywell of having seconded the motion. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29281.645, "end": 29285.765, "text": "all right, uh Deputy Mayor Jameson, your name is off of this, but uh would you like to speak to it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 29286.625, "end": 29287.445, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 29287.885, "end": 29288.685, "text": "Thank you, Council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29289.185, "end": 29293.525, "text": "I think your name off of it probably says enough. Uh Counselor Panasopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29297.005, "end": 29300.285, "text": "Just to clarify, these 88,000 lots," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29301.205, "end": 29305.805, "text": "they'll go back to R1, R1. There was a few, four or five different um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29306.385, "end": 29307.425, "text": "classifications, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29308.005, "end": 29313.365, "text": "We have a map that we would like to put up that shows exactly" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29314.105, "end": 29314.725, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29315.245, "end": 29317.685, "text": "There's about six or seven maps and seven C." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29317.685, "end": 29318.785, "text": "uh the the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29320.125, "end": 29320.965, "text": "there is a better" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29321.485, "end": 29323.165, "text": "I have a map I just would like to send it to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29323.165, "end": 29323.665, "text": "one moment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29323.665, "end": 29325.025, "text": "if you don't mind." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29325.065, "end": 29328.585, "text": "It's much easier to to see it than than these ones I'm all interested" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29328.545, "end": 29329.065, "text": "Maybe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29329.665, "end": 29330.285, "text": "in. But in the meantime" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29330.285, "end": 29331.805, "text": "while it's coming up, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29332.985, "end": 29334.325, "text": "if it remains R C" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29335.545, "end": 29340.385, "text": "to Councilor Chaboz, you could develop what can you develop on R C that you can't do on R1 as an example?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29341.165, "end": 29341.925, "text": "RG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29341.925, "end": 29342.685, "text": "Excuse me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29342.685, "end": 29380.025, "text": "There is no C in this area. So the in R1 it would be restricted to singles. The same as the C, except it doesn't have the contextual guidelines the same way because there at the time when they were developing it, there was no next door neighbor as an example to measure the front setback or the context rule. So R1 would be a single, R2 would be a duplex. R1S is a smaller lot. You see those most often in Mackenzie Town. They have a lot of R1S, and the R1N is a very narrow lot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29380.205, "end": 29385.645, "text": "So uh what can you do with RG? We're gonna re if this passes, what can you do in RG?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29386.165, "end": 29386.645, "text": "Oh, here we go." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29386.645, "end": 29398.805, "text": "So an RG enables the same range that is enabled through RCG. So it would be singles, semis, and row towns." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29399.465, "end": 29400.525, "text": "So essentially," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29402.145, "end": 29408.285, "text": "the the 400 plus people that spoke believed that we were repealing this map. So I'm looking into word six." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29409.385, "end": 29411.985, "text": "Those would revert back potentially and on the west side to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29413.105, "end": 29419.345, "text": "they believe right now we we we were debating going back to R1 as an example, assuming that's the one. If we remained at RG," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29419.985, "end": 29425.165, "text": "we now they could go back to singles, duplexes, et cetera, et cetera. Like I just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29426.785, "end": 29428.485, "text": "It it'll basically go back to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29429.605, "end": 29430.905, "text": "what we just repealed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29432.285, "end": 29434.825, "text": "So the green areas" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29435.945, "end": 29444.105, "text": "would go back to R1 as an example. Are going back to R1. If this passes, it would retain that RG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29444.765, "end": 29459.485, "text": "the the um the pieces that are on the souths or the bottom of the map you can see there is a mix of R1, R1N, R1S um throughout those and then as you get further out you can see that those are um the purple which is the RG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29460.185, "end": 29461.385, "text": "We go to Ward 6." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 29461.385, "end": 29461.965, "text": "Zoom in there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29462.105, "end": 29463.405, "text": "So there are some that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29464.045, "end": 29467.885, "text": "with this amendment would go to remain at RG and they could what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29468.265, "end": 29469.145, "text": "is that fair? Like if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 29469.145, "end": 29469.525, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29472.225, "end": 29473.105, "text": "so essentially" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29474.425, "end": 29478.485, "text": "yeah, okay. Maybe just okay, then debate is saying if you want to lose trust, thank you. Do you mind going in there?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29478.945, "end": 29483.225, "text": "You want to lose trust of Calgarians, 88,000 go back. We made" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29485.385, "end": 29489.685, "text": "88,000 to go back there. Like this is pretty material. People came and spoke." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29489.885, "end": 29499.825, "text": "Come in, why not go back and do two one A? Maybe there's an amendment coming and I'm just picking up what the mayor said. Let's let's amend uh two A and two C as well and go back. And then what have we done? We voted to repeal" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29500.285, "end": 29550.505, "text": "88,000 to come in with this. We're looking at a map on the floor. I've got a minute and 24 seconds to debate and discuss. I've heard from 450 people that I haven't asked and saying, hey, Ward 6, what do you think? In fact, I think my home's actually gonna be going to RC. So I'm gonna ask my wife, say, hey, honey, what do you think that we can have that in our neighbors as well? I didn't get that chance. And to bring this on the floor like this, you want to lose trust? Vote for this. I gotta go home for dinner and I gotta tell my wife we support this. Oh, by the way, our neighbor went back after all this debate and discussion. This is not the way to do it. We come back, the difference between what we had before it was debated, it was discussed, it was on the floor. People might not have understood it, say LeVee. This is completely different going back. 88,000. If this was 18, something very specialized, like the amendments that are coming later, there's some technicalities, sure. There's one zone that has 27 homes, sure. I can get that. Let's clean it up to clean up our bylaw. 88,000, and I'm sorry, I'm just focusing on Ward 6. Like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29551.185, "end": 29555.385, "text": "We can't do that. You have to vote no to this. If we've got a problem, let's come back. 18 months." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 29555.725, "end": 29568.805, "text": "We can shake the snow globe. We can come back and say this doesn't make sense, and here's why. Please vote no no on this. We didn't talk, we just debated about trust. You want to change it for 88,000 people, this is as much debate and switch as you get. So please vote no on this. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29570.265, "end": 29571.945, "text": "All right, Counselor Ewell, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 29573.585, "end": 29577.685, "text": "Yeah, if you want to just zoom out again. Um this is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 29578.325, "end": 29580.585, "text": "exactly what I was saying in my" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 29581.025, "end": 29582.085, "text": "debate for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 29582.345, "end": 29600.625, "text": "the repeal is you're pushing the density to the outskirts and and doing this like saying, okay, no, we'll we'll repeal on the inner city, but we will not repeal on the out outer round. Like ward three is all now just that's where we're gonna throw the density. So I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 29601.145, "end": 29602.625, "text": "I'm against this. Vote no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29608.885, "end": 29610.725, "text": "All right, uh Counselor Clark, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 29611.345, "end": 29613.005, "text": "Thank you, Chair. Are we having fun yet?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 29613.625, "end": 29615.605, "text": "This is a little bit out of hand. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 29616.305, "end": 29639.385, "text": "But I wanted to just add my voice to the point that, yes, I I think uh lots of this stuff seems to be coming at us. Nobody quite seems to know what's going on. There's not even a lot of confidence in like with administration and what's being described. That's not to suggest you don't, like, I'm not trying to put you down, but there's a lot of not might making sense here right now. And so I'm gonna vote no on this. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 29640.245, "end": 29641.525, "text": "And that's that. Thank you very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29647.885, "end": 29654.885, "text": "All right, uh before I go to Councillor Weines to close, uh any further explanation required from administration in terms of what the impact is?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29656.065, "end": 29656.885, "text": "Okay, seeing the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29657.745, "end": 29664.185, "text": "uh yes, this was uh moved by Councilor Weyness and seconded by Councilor Dallywall. Okay. Over to you, Councillor Weines, to close, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 29665.865, "end": 29689.405, "text": "Thanks. The reason I wanted this amendment moved is because when we have our G industry as we build out these communities has been doing flexible changes. What was once a row house has been turned into single family or duplexes. When you have to have them come back to council and public hearing, it slows down development in the growing community. And industry does like the flexibility" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 29689.745, "end": 29699.245, "text": "and speed at which they were able to build off of the amendments the last council made to RG communities only. But councils will as a vote, so have fun vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29701.125, "end": 29703.905, "text": "All right, uh Mr. Clerk, let's please engage the vote on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 29720.925, "end": 29723.045, "text": "On the amendment, Councilor Clerk, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 29723.545, "end": 29723.925, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 29724.725, "end": 29726.405, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 29726.925, "end": 29728.445, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29735.485, "end": 29740.005, "text": "On that, the um motion has been defeated with uh only Councilor Weines uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29740.625, "end": 29741.345, "text": "Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29741.545, "end": 29744.285, "text": "Daliwall, and Atkinson in favor. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29744.705, "end": 29750.185, "text": "Uh to recap, uh we have given first reading, we've adopted one amendment from uh Councilor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29750.525, "end": 29752.905, "text": "We're still seeking further amendments uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29753.485, "end": 29756.265, "text": "if that's the will of council. So over to Councilor Schmidt on an amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29757.185, "end": 29758.745, "text": "Yes, I have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29759.865, "end": 29769.225, "text": "One of two amendments here. I'll begin, perhaps, clerks, with the uh secondary suites, backyard, and basement amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29788.065, "end": 29788.565, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29789.225, "end": 29789.725, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29791.045, "end": 29792.545, "text": "what this proposes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29793.145, "end": 29793.945, "text": "is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29796.625, "end": 29802.505, "text": "I'll explain it better than what those numbers and letters represent there. But essentially what we have now" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29802.905, "end": 29815.585, "text": "on lots that have single family or semi detached homes is the permission to build both a secondary suite and a backyard suite." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29817.145, "end": 29820.305, "text": "With the repeal that will revert back" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29821.225, "end": 29825.285, "text": "to only being allowed to build one or the other." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29826.405, "end": 29831.125, "text": "So what this amendment is suggesting is not related," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29831.365, "end": 29833.085, "text": "I believe, in any" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29834.425, "end": 29850.825, "text": "significant way to what council intended with repealing RCG. What this does is it maintains the flexibility we have now for individual homeowners, as we heard from multiple people during the public hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29851.765, "end": 29872.325, "text": "To add suites to their existing properties, to say have grandparents join them where they live, to have a second source of income on their property to be able to afford a home they couldn't otherwise afford. Yes, this will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29873.885, "end": 29880.005, "text": "allow this for new builds with development that is coming through, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29880.825, "end": 29887.925, "text": "It will be permissive on lower forms of density like singles and semis. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29888.845, "end": 29890.245, "text": "it's not affecting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29891.405, "end": 29899.685, "text": "the types of built forms that council and the public expressed the most concern with, which is row houses and townhouses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29900.385, "end": 29903.145, "text": "This is primarily going to benefit" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29903.885, "end": 29913.785, "text": "those folks that we heard from during the public hearing who are putting a lot of their own money into adding this flexibility to welcoming members of their family." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29914.125, "end": 29915.565, "text": "To where they live" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29916.925, "end": 29921.625, "text": "and being able to afford a home they maybe couldn't otherwise afford. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29921.985, "end": 29936.485, "text": "I recognize that there may be a couple other counselors who have specific issues in their wards that will not be able to support this, which I completely understand. But there is a big opportunity here for us to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29937.005, "end": 29942.905, "text": "add some housing in a way that is less disruptive to the neighborhoods." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 29943.365, "end": 29962.665, "text": "Again, going towards what the public expressed to us. And these are built forms that work into what's already there. So I would ask for you to support this. This is a very small way for us to provide that extra housing and opportunity for Calgarians, and that takes me to the end of my time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29966.325, "end": 29978.525, "text": "All right. Uh given we just have the uh the sections and the the letters on the screen before I seek a second, or if administration could just weigh in and uh state whether you agree with the characterization of uh what this does." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29979.805, "end": 29980.265, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 29980.545, "end": 29981.165, "text": "We do agree." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29981.485, "end": 29981.645, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29982.085, "end": 29984.065, "text": "Uh seconded by uh Councilor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29984.825, "end": 29986.105, "text": "Councilor Clark, would you like to speak to it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 29987.545, "end": 29988.225, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 29988.545, "end": 29992.065, "text": "If I could invite all my council colleagues just to take a nice big deep breath" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 29992.565, "end": 29998.965, "text": "and totally release everything that we've just been through in the last four hours, because this happens to be something I'm quite interested in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 29999.545, "end": 30007.485, "text": "I'm happy to support this amendment because it directly reflects what we heard during the public hearing, and it does so in a balanced and practical way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 30008.045, "end": 30043.885, "text": "Many speakers were very clear. Their concerns weren't all about growth. It was about scale, tree canopy loss, and the feeling that neighborhood change was happening without enough local context or planning input. This amendment responds to that distinction. What it does is simple and specific. It ensures that when RC2 zoning is reinstated, secondary suites and backyard suites remain permitted, subject to existing bylaw rules. That means we preserve forms of gentle density like basement suites and backyard suites without defaulting to larger, more intensive redevelopment that many residents told us were a source of concern." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 30044.745, "end": 30056.305, "text": "Compared to RCG development, suite based density significantly reduces pressure for full lot clearance and tree removal. Given how often tree canopy loss came up during the hearing, that matters to me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 30056.725, "end": 30059.425, "text": "I also want to be clear about what this amendment does not do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 30060.005, "end": 30067.245, "text": "It does not include row house or mid block townhouses. It does not add new rules, and it does not undermine the housing goals that we've set." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 30067.805, "end": 30074.365, "text": "The suite framework already exists in the land use bylaw. This amendment simply ensures we don't lose it unintentionally through repeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 30075.165, "end": 30105.565, "text": "For me, this strikes a reasonable balance, addressing where blanket rezoning went too far while preserving the forms of density that Caracarians consistently told us over the last nine days that they support. I please ask you to put what we've just been through behind you, look at this clearly and directly, and support it. And in closing, if I might just remind you folks that um of a a gentleman from Inglewood who came to us and had a wonderful, uh very heart uh forward uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 30105.865, "end": 30135.805, "text": "Presentation about his position where he'd been through uh trying to develop both and got lost in the mix of this and was quite concerned that his young family trying to meet their multi generational uh family planning goals were going to lose the opportunity to develop both a secondary suite and a basement. And I'd really like to thank um administration for your support with that individual since the public hearing. Um it's been really positive. So thank you for that. But so please support this. Thank you very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 30136.725, "end": 30138.165, "text": "Thank you. Uh Councilor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30141.025, "end": 30142.545, "text": "Need uh some clarification on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30143.365, "end": 30144.085, "text": "the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30145.465, "end": 30146.665, "text": "this would move it to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30147.505, "end": 30148.025, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30148.765, "end": 30153.205, "text": "backyards uh basement suites and backyard suites as discretionary" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30153.805, "end": 30154.585, "text": "or permitted" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 30157.085, "end": 30168.725, "text": "As I understand the amendment, it would allow for the opportunity for a secondary suite and a backyard suite to be on the same parcel, subject to the other rules" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30168.725, "end": 30168.865, "text": "with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 30168.865, "end": 30169.565, "text": "in the district." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30169.565, "end": 30169.905, "text": "discretionary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 30169.905, "end": 30177.505, "text": "So it varies across districts. So in RC1, a secondary suite and a backyard suite are both discretionary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30178.365, "end": 30180.545, "text": "Yes. So it would retain the discretionary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 30180.725, "end": 30181.065, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30181.665, "end": 30182.485, "text": "And um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30183.125, "end": 30185.805, "text": "in r in regards to some properties" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30186.105, "end": 30186.885, "text": "that have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30187.125, "end": 30190.865, "text": "since the blanket zoning moved forward with the backyard suite," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30191.445, "end": 30193.945, "text": "um, what would happen with those those ones?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30194.965, "end": 30198.645, "text": "What's gonna happen to those ones? Would they retain the RCG zoning or would they" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30198.825, "end": 30199.585, "text": "default" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30199.885, "end": 30202.185, "text": "to this amendment with the RC one?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30202.505, "end": 30204.465, "text": "Sorry, it sounds like a complicated question, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 30206.845, "end": 30208.205, "text": "Any application" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 30210.585, "end": 30211.625, "text": "would not be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 30212.185, "end": 30217.165, "text": "exempt because they would go back to a district where those uses are still listed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 30218.045, "end": 30220.605, "text": "So they're not nonconforming uses by being reverted back?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30220.945, "end": 30224.445, "text": "sorry, let me know. But they would be legal non conformant. Maybe I wasn't clear." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30224.645, "end": 30225.205, "text": "There are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30225.525, "end": 30225.885, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30226.385, "end": 30227.385, "text": "I know of a property" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30228.305, "end": 30229.165, "text": "not gonna say where" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30230.005, "end": 30231.625, "text": "that has a basement suite" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30232.085, "end": 30235.425, "text": "and they applied for a development permit for a backyard suite." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30236.065, "end": 30237.445, "text": "They're in an R1 zone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30238.545, "end": 30239.005, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30239.365, "end": 30241.125, "text": "they've covered it got their DP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30241.825, "end": 30250.345, "text": "So if now that we've repealed the blanket zoning, it wasn't subject to an RCG zone, therefore it would revert back to an RC one, I assume." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 30250.385, "end": 30250.905, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30251.325, "end": 30254.945, "text": "And so if this weren't gonna move forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30255.265, "end": 30257.425, "text": "Would that then be considered a legal nonconforming?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 30258.145, "end": 30261.845, "text": "If this was not brought forward, it would be legal nonconforming. That is correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30261.945, "end": 30263.385, "text": "Okay, thanks. Just like use" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 30263.385, "end": 30264.445, "text": "Permit remains valid." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30264.845, "end": 30268.925, "text": "Yeah. I I just like using that term. I I just love legal nonconformings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30270.485, "end": 30274.785, "text": "Thank you. No no more comments. I uh well maybe I just really quickly I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30275.145, "end": 30313.285, "text": "It's going to be very difficult for me to support this, and I've stated this before. Uh whilst um I appreciate the intent and that it is you know very sensitive intensification, I get all of those things. But it's gonna be hard for me to support it because of my my previous history uh relation to this file. And and uh and I and I fought for a suite registry program to make sure that we made all the illegal suites legal. That doesn't mean that I supported a blanket approval of secondary suites, even basement suites, because my communities were rallied against it. And so for me to actually support something that even intensifies it further as a as a something that's allowed by right," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30314.045, "end": 30318.025, "text": "I would go against everything that I advocated for for a not a lot of years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 30318.565, "end": 30326.105, "text": "Uh yeah, I don't think my community association would would like me very much if I if I spoke in favor of this. So I will be voting against it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 30327.205, "end": 30329.885, "text": "Thank you. Jim Hamilton, did you want to speak on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 30331.985, "end": 30333.605, "text": "Councillor Panizopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 30333.605, "end": 30339.805, "text": "Thanks so much. And if you answer this question, I do apologize. It's all been a long day. If we vote this down," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 30341.345, "end": 30342.885, "text": "secondary or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 30343.905, "end": 30347.505, "text": "Garage or basement suites are allowed on R1, R2," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 30348.285, "end": 30348.905, "text": "and so on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 30349.325, "end": 30352.065, "text": "Correct, they are allowed. It's an either-or situation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 30352.065, "end": 30357.905, "text": "Got it. Okay, so so if a no, the only question is the and. If this is accepted, it's an and. That's the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 30357.905, "end": 30358.265, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 30358.265, "end": 30361.185, "text": "essentially. Yeah, you know what this? I I love this," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 30361.705, "end": 30362.605, "text": "it's not right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 30363.165, "end": 30391.445, "text": "I love this because that exact same person you mentioned that the economies, that you can put it on a garage, hey, it doesn't actually increase scale, et cetera. The reason I say not now is we need to understand what's happening. We all recognize nodes and corridors, trans uh transit orientated development, brownfield, et cetera. I think that's the critical is to understand where we want that. We talked about community going through, and I don't think we should differentiate between communities. I would support this at a later date. We just have to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 30392.045, "end": 30427.145, "text": "I loved your analogy, Councilor Clark. Catch your breath and say, okay, wait. What are we doing? Where are we going? Where does the density make sense? Right now you still have the and, and that does disadvantage the few people that would have for the next 12 months that want to build, but we're going to be coming into a huge change, and I think it's a snow globe being shook up. And this is an example of I will absolutely support this in 12 months' time when it's all contextual. What does it actually look like transit-oriented? What does it look like? Are we amending R1, are we amending R2, or amending R W XYZ, whatever the amendment is? This can be layered in because we have to look at the full deal, not sort of the piecemeal. So for today," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 30427.665, "end": 30442.145, "text": "I'm voting no, but I love the idea, I love the concept, but we have to understand the full package when we come back with our zoning bylaw in eight months, twelve months, whenever it is. And if folks can wait, it can come later, I hope, but I'm gonna vote no for that reason. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 30444.825, "end": 30446.705, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Deliwell, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30447.745, "end": 30459.485, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. My question is this morning, or I believe yesterday, or whatever, there was a question asked about legal suites. 25,000. I just want to know," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30460.585, "end": 30461.945, "text": "uh, just being" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30462.565, "end": 30463.205, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30464.185, "end": 30467.925, "text": "uh ward five counselor, how many of them were in ward five?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 30473.085, "end": 30477.365, "text": "Counselor Dolly Wall may I just clarify your question how many legal suites" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 30477.785, "end": 30481.085, "text": "have been approved in Ward 5 since 2015?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30481.085, "end": 30483.525, "text": "Exactly, as part of our registry system, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 30484.205, "end": 30484.545, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 30484.825, "end": 30486.805, "text": "I'll ask the team if they have that stat." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 30486.805, "end": 30491.185, "text": "I don't have it at my fingertips. Uh uh Mike Maliki here, DBBS director." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 30496.005, "end": 30497.145, "text": "Sorry, I think you're mute." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 30499.445, "end": 30501.285, "text": "Director Malaki do you have that number?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 30501.285, "end": 30504.225, "text": "No, I don't have it at my fingertips, but we can get it uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 30505.205, "end": 30505.765, "text": "to your offense." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30505.765, "end": 30511.205, "text": "I can tell you 20% of the total in the city has been in ward five." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30511.465, "end": 30515.685, "text": "How do we make sure if we do and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30516.565, "end": 30518.985, "text": "backyard suite and secondary suite," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30519.905, "end": 30521.825, "text": "how do we make sure" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30522.965, "end": 30523.845, "text": "that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30524.165, "end": 30527.245, "text": "there is enough enforcement in a way?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30527.625, "end": 30534.445, "text": "My board is really dense with people. Like uh Council Pantasophilos was saying," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30534.945, "end": 30539.505, "text": "how do we make sure that we are making enough um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30540.845, "end": 30542.125, "text": "um talking?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30543.225, "end": 30554.005, "text": "When we are approving these land uses and all that or DPs, that there's enough for parking issues, we are making sure that there is enough um um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30554.405, "end": 30563.485, "text": "folks who are applying for these backyard suites and secondary suites that they have either or. How how are we gonna make sure enforcement is there?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 30567.805, "end": 30572.705, "text": "Enforcement in terms of like after you're talking about or or uh during the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30573.585, "end": 30598.645, "text": "Because right now in the land use bylaw it's either or and if me if we make it and how you guys make sure there's enough enforcement that uh there is not an there is enforcement to make sure that there is a secondary suite in the basement and if someone is applying for the backyard suite that there's enforcement to make sure that they don't have a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30599.005, "end": 30599.685, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30600.025, "end": 30604.225, "text": "basement suite before we approve their backyard suite." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 30607.165, "end": 30612.625, "text": "um so to my knowledge that kind of enforcement is not in DBBS's uh purview." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 30614.765, "end": 30617.545, "text": "Counselor Dollywall, it's GM Hamilton." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30618.465, "end": 30618.785, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 30619.305, "end": 30622.165, "text": "If I'm understanding you correctly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 30622.765, "end": 30632.205, "text": "you're asking, are you are you asking about how we would confirm that there essentially are only two suites on the property, one backyard and one secondary?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30633.105, "end": 30638.525, "text": "Exactly. How we want to make sure how will we make sure that there is either or?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 30638.965, "end": 30641.245, "text": "Okay, so from a permitting perspective." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30641.245, "end": 30650.205, "text": "If we make it sorry, uh I I don't want to cut you off, but if we say and how do we make sure there's an enforcement" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30651.225, "end": 30651.705, "text": "to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30652.445, "end": 30656.485, "text": "comply with our land use bylaw that there" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30656.665, "end": 30657.505, "text": "is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30657.865, "end": 30658.505, "text": "either" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30659.425, "end": 30665.545, "text": "that and if we are giving a DP to the next one, that that is not happening." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 30668.145, "end": 30678.505, "text": "So that that uh to my knowledge is at the intake uh where we take in applications, we would be um looking at that to make sure that it that it complies with the LUB" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 30683.405, "end": 30683.925, "text": "during the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30683.925, "end": 30690.685, "text": "That's where my struggle is right now. The amendment that is coming is and not or." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 30691.885, "end": 30700.285, "text": "Yes, so Councillor Dollywall, if this amendment is approved, it would allow a backyard suite and a secondary suite on the on the same parcel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 30702.245, "end": 30722.085, "text": "If that's the case, and an individual wished to pursue both a backyard suite and a secondary suite, they would still be required to have the proper permitting, development permit, building permit, whatever is required. Our team would process those permits. If they're both approved, they can be constructed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 30722.845, "end": 30723.565, "text": "Now, if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 30723.845, "end": 30724.785, "text": "somebody" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 30726.445, "end": 30738.545, "text": "suggests that somebody has three suites on a property, then just like today, they can call 311 and submit a complaint, and we will go in and inspect and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 30739.785, "end": 30751.845, "text": "Double check that any number of suites are in alignment with the appropriate approvals that should be in place. If approvals aren't in place, we will follow up with that appropriately. Is this answering your question?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 30753.465, "end": 30756.365, "text": "Kinda. That's okay. Thank you. That's it for me, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 30757.925, "end": 30759.885, "text": "Thank you. Over at Councillor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 30761.025, "end": 30776.825, "text": "Do we know how frequently we've actually seen both a suite and a backyard, like a suite in the basement and a suite in the backyard built on a on a site. Is that a stat that we have on the same parcel?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 30780.265, "end": 30780.845, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 30781.045, "end": 30823.065, "text": "I don't have that stat with me today, but one thing that we will note is that we most often see that in brand new builds that are happening in the RG area. So the if you look at our secondary suites map today, which is like on cavry.ca backslash secondary suites map, the it shows exactly where all the suites are that are registered are. And you can see Counselor Dollywell is correct. He has a lot of suites in Ward 5. If you scroll in, you can see that those are in the RG areas, a lot, up a large percentage of them. And that would mean that they were built by the builder initially to have both" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 30823.465, "end": 30833.145, "text": "Right. And but and so even in redevelopment in established areas, that's when we would also see more suites coming on? Or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 30834.525, "end": 30854.905, "text": "like what's the divide, I guess? So as in the in the developing areas, we end up getting sort of like new suites coming on as we're building brand new from scratch, but in established areas, if we're trying to land more housing, we this is this is a part of of this suites are a way to do that, to land some affordability in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 30855.745, "end": 30868.325, "text": "Do we see it more so with uh existing builds or do we see suites coming on more so with new builds? Is it similar to what we experience in the in the developing side of things?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 30868.565, "end": 30880.545, "text": "Yeah, just speaking to what's happened with resorning for housing and and part of this has to do with some federal funding requirements. You talked about that MLI select. A lot of the new builds for row houses and semis are coming in with suites in the established areas," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 30880.985, "end": 30900.765, "text": "partially because it helps with you know funding and helps with all that stuff, but it's also a lot easier if you do it first. I did a lot of permits when I was a consultant for secondary suites. It's very hard on existing homes, depending on where the staircase is, you know, mechanical and stuff like that. So we see a lot more proportionally with new builds than we do with existing homes because of those difficulties in funding." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 30901.125, "end": 30902.085, "text": "Great. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 30902.445, "end": 30902.905, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 30905.665, "end": 30908.005, "text": "Thank you. Any further discussion on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 30909.145, "end": 30910.025, "text": "Counselor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 30910.725, "end": 30915.285, "text": "Yeah, just want to get real clear on something before we vote here. Um currently, right now," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 30916.745, "end": 30918.885, "text": "and correct? Like we can do" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 30919.705, "end": 30922.525, "text": "secondary suite and backyard suite. Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 30923.705, "end": 30928.465, "text": "No, presently uh you can do either a secondary suite or a backyard suite." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 30928.985, "end": 30932.905, "text": "In all the R1, RC2, and even the RCG currently?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 30934.905, "end": 30935.745, "text": "Not the RCG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 30936.105, "end": 30943.765, "text": "Uh in RC1, uh, RC1, RC2, it is uh yeah, one or or the other, correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 30944.185, "end": 30946.785, "text": "Got it. So this would be a a change to do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 30947.345, "end": 30953.345, "text": "And we're not we're not dialing back to a different time. This would be a a net new thing. Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 30956.445, "end": 30959.325, "text": "Counselor Kelly, in the RCG district," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 30959.745, "end": 30961.685, "text": "as of yesterday, you could do" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 30962.265, "end": 30962.805, "text": "both." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 30963.625, "end": 30963.905, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 30964.705, "end": 30969.265, "text": "In the new the RC1 and RC two that's being reintroduced" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 30969.585, "end": 30970.245, "text": "through" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 30970.985, "end": 30974.965, "text": "this per the these recommendations, it is either or." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 30976.045, "end": 30986.385, "text": "Got it. So voting in favor of this would uh basically allow suites to match what is currently allowed in the in in our neighborhoods in the RCG uh district." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 30986.385, "end": 30986.945, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 30987.685, "end": 30988.425, "text": "Got it. So this is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 30988.425, "end": 30989.605, "text": "in all forms." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 30990.085, "end": 30999.665, "text": "So a single today that would come in under an RCG could do both. A semi could do both. And then an RCG providing suites in the basement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 30999.745, "end": 31004.725, "text": "Previously with our RCG we were allowing backyard and secondary suite." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 31005.445, "end": 31013.825, "text": "Doing this would say on a single family home, you would be able to do that as well, which is presumably a heck of a lot less density than we were having in RCG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 31014.805, "end": 31016.865, "text": "Okay, thank you. That was my only question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31018.205, "end": 31026.905, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31032.885, "end": 31036.725, "text": "Is there process and they want actually a garage uh suite instead?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31036.965, "end": 31042.565, "text": "Is there a pro process to decommission that suite? Is it a matter of taking out the fridge or the stove? Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31043.185, "end": 31052.845, "text": "um would it prevent like for example, if somebody wanted to abandon their secondary suite in the basement? It's I'm I'm sure it's not a requirement that it actually be occupied, but uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 31055.465, "end": 31057.145, "text": "So yes, we would um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 31059.265, "end": 31062.305, "text": "If you don't mind if you wouldn't mind repeating the question, Mayor," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31062.545, "end": 31072.725, "text": "Yeah, so what if what if somebody uh has a s uh like a basement suite and they decide they now want a garage suite? How do they get rid of their basement suite? Are they permanently" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31073.345, "end": 31078.025, "text": "locked into having made that choice even if it was something that the previous owner had decided." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 31078.525, "end": 31079.485, "text": "I'll hand it over to O." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 31079.485, "end": 31094.505, "text": "Ulrich Seward, chief building official and manager of building safety approvals. So if like if the secondary suite and the backyard suite were allowed on the same parcel," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 31094.985, "end": 31116.725, "text": "there wouldn't be any differences there. You know, you wouldn't have to abandon the secondary suite. As long as both the secondary suite and the backyard suite were allowed on the same parcel. As long as the secondary suite continues to comply with building codes and the backyard suite does as well, then that wouldn't be an issue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 31118.225, "end": 31119.885, "text": "And they can remove it from sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31120.085, "end": 31124.065, "text": "So then what is the the purpose of this motion then? Like if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31124.425, "end": 31126.465, "text": "if you can have both regardless. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31126.705, "end": 31133.185, "text": "sorry I'm I'm speaking to the old version of RC one or the one that we're going back to if it's an and or rather if it's an or question" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31133.825, "end": 31136.045, "text": "is it possible to get rid of the suite or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 31136.845, "end": 31156.725, "text": "Yeah, okay, I see what you're saying. Um I'm not sure how you would actually accomplish that. There would have to be some uh probably some uh enforcement uh done on that situation to make sure that uh the situation wasn't out of compliance with the land use bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 31157.765, "end": 31163.405, "text": "And and our process, uh, Mayor Farkas would be we would inspect" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 31163.645, "end": 31172.425, "text": "the the basement suite to make sure that that it's not a basement suite anymore, and it would be removed from the registry. So that's the decommissioning process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31172.525, "end": 31175.745, "text": "what makes it a basement suite though? Is it a stove in there or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 31175.745, "end": 31180.865, "text": "Exactly. You have you have, you know, uh depending on if it's existing or new, you have a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 31181.285, "end": 31183.225, "text": "kitchen, you have a uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 31183.445, "end": 31183.885, "text": "You know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 31183.925, "end": 31186.245, "text": "Kitchen, sleeping area, bathroom." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 31187.085, "end": 31187.885, "text": "Make it sort of sweet." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31188.065, "end": 31196.505, "text": "And I know uh my colleague attempted to probe on this, but do we have uh even an estimate of how many of these and are in the uh established areas?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31197.405, "end": 31200.305, "text": "Like is this a huge number of units that uh were" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31200.525, "end": 31204.765, "text": "that's potentially on the table that can no longer be built? Has it been a huge amount of disruption?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31205.105, "end": 31208.365, "text": "Is it not a very large amount of units? I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31208.505, "end": 31214.685, "text": "I'm trying to get what the a sense of what the stakes are here in terms of what housing could further be built that otherwise wouldn't be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 31215.425, "end": 31233.925, "text": "Our chief housing officer has sent us a message that there are approximately 400 of those accessory dwelling unit or the backyard suites throughout the city. So how often they are combined, it's very, very rare. If there was 400 across the whole city today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31234.785, "end": 31237.105, "text": "So we're talking about extremely small amount." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 31237.105, "end": 31255.585, "text": "Extremely small amount. From a development permit perspective under RCG, we have processed three RC2s that have basement suites and an above garage suite in the last 20 months. Three out of all of the permits that we have reviewed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31256.245, "end": 31261.085, "text": "And uh and again, uh we would be going back to an end, like to support this motion would be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31261.405, "end": 31267.805, "text": "Going to an end, which would still be discretionary, and uh that development permit would be subject to appeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 31268.765, "end": 31269.805, "text": "Correct. That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31270.165, "end": 31270.365, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 31270.545, "end": 31284.565, "text": "And Mayor, if I may, just picking up on your other line of questioning, we could also do a new development permit that would remove a secondary basement suite if somebody, if it was or and somebody wished to switch to a backyard suite." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31285.285, "end": 31285.685, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31285.965, "end": 31287.665, "text": "Over to Councilor McClain, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31288.145, "end": 31291.025, "text": "Yeah, I think most of the questions have been answered, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31291.425, "end": 31293.885, "text": "I want to stay here longer like everybody else." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31293.885, "end": 31295.045, "text": "Oh." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31295.165, "end": 31296.865, "text": "No, I'll make it quick. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31297.265, "end": 31301.105, "text": "so then this would be an or an and an or so a person could have a house." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31301.265, "end": 31303.745, "text": "Basement suite and then a granny suite in the back." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31304.225, "end": 31307.285, "text": "And then even on a semi-detech duplex, they could do" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31307.485, "end": 31308.505, "text": "both both" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31308.945, "end": 31310.445, "text": "as well, or is it just single family?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 31311.785, "end": 31312.845, "text": "Correct. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 31313.425, "end": 31314.485, "text": "today is or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31314.925, "end": 31315.145, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 31315.145, "end": 31317.685, "text": "in the base districts that it is going back." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31318.205, "end": 31321.525, "text": "So then it's just a single family home mainly we're talking about here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31322.305, "end": 31323.645, "text": "Excuse me, with a basement suite" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31324.405, "end": 31326.185, "text": "and then a a backyard suite." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31326.665, "end": 31329.085, "text": "But no additional parking obviously gets allowed. So if you've got" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31329.345, "end": 31330.685, "text": "four families or three families," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31330.925, "end": 31332.165, "text": "it'll be just the one for one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31332.585, "end": 31335.585, "text": "parking. But that is three potential families." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 31336.145, "end": 31341.945, "text": "Parking could be garbage, could be consideration. I'm just wanna wrap my head around it. Um yeah, I'm not gonna support this, but thanks for the clarity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31344.085, "end": 31349.225, "text": "All right. Uh on that I'm going to go to Councillor Schmitzeklose." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31351.505, "end": 31354.225, "text": "Just repeat once more for clarity that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31355.505, "end": 31357.245, "text": "what this intends to do" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31357.865, "end": 31358.525, "text": "is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31358.885, "end": 31361.965, "text": "For parcels with a single family home" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31362.785, "end": 31364.425, "text": "and a semi-detached home," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31365.045, "end": 31365.725, "text": "give" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31366.205, "end": 31372.605, "text": "homeowners the flexibility to have both, where otherwise it will go back" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31372.785, "end": 31378.405, "text": "to having either or. In the context of what we've done today, where we've" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31378.705, "end": 31386.645, "text": "effectively eliminated a lot of RCG use across the city, it means that we are going to be getting less." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31388.425, "end": 31394.405, "text": "Fewer housing opportunities overall across the city. This is a small fix" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31395.845, "end": 31399.345, "text": "or a small opportunity that we can use" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31400.225, "end": 31407.965, "text": "to provide more flexibility for homeowners and even perhaps in some new developments to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31408.545, "end": 31427.505, "text": "add more housing in a situation where we've changed the rules that is eliminating a lot of options for towns and row houses. And to be clear, this does not affect lots with towns and row houses. So we're taking very low density builds." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31428.045, "end": 31442.165, "text": "and providing that other opportunity. And we the data discussed as to what's being done now, I think, would take on a slightly different context in a world where we now" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31442.865, "end": 31448.085, "text": "have fewer chances to build townhouses and row houses. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31448.885, "end": 31456.385, "text": "During the hearing, when we talked about, well, maybe some incremental density, or maybe just density where it makes sense, this is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31457.865, "end": 31472.865, "text": "a less disruptive way of achieving those goals of things that we heard from even people who were supporting a repeal who are saying, I'm not opposed to density, I just want to see it done differently. This is density done differently." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31473.465, "end": 31480.005, "text": "So I'd ask for you to support this today because we need to do something for Calgarians" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31480.925, "end": 31481.505, "text": "to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 31482.725, "end": 31488.125, "text": "Acknowledge what they raised during the hearing, and this is a small way in which we can do that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31490.105, "end": 31494.125, "text": "All right. Uh that is closed. Uh, can I have general consent to conclude this item before" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31494.385, "end": 31495.365, "text": "going on our dinner break?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31495.665, "end": 31496.325, "text": "Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31497.485, "end": 31498.525, "text": "All right, seeing none. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31498.845, "end": 31501.525, "text": "Mr. Clerk, let's please engage the vote on this amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 31517.825, "end": 31518.485, "text": "Counselor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 31518.985, "end": 31519.905, "text": "your vote on the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 31522.285, "end": 31522.665, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 31522.985, "end": 31524.525, "text": "Counselor Ewell, your vote on the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 31524.765, "end": 31525.165, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 31525.765, "end": 31526.925, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Clerk," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 31527.265, "end": 31528.045, "text": "your vote on the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 31528.045, "end": 31528.485, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 31529.765, "end": 31532.065, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Yaness, your vote on the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 31534.905, "end": 31535.325, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 31535.825, "end": 31538.225, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Johnston, your vote on the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31539.665, "end": 31539.865, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 31541.185, "end": 31542.805, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the voters votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31543.105, "end": 31544.565, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31549.625, "end": 31557.365, "text": "And on that, the uh motion has been defeated with uh counselors Ward, Johnston, Dallywell, Pandasopoulos, Jameson, Tyres, Chabot, and McLean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31557.785, "end": 31558.845, "text": "opposed. So," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31559.485, "end": 31571.385, "text": "Council, our rules are to come back at 7 15 to go to 9 30, unless that's changed. I don't see an appetite to end off now. My strong suggestion would be just to work as hard as we can until 9 30" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 31571.905, "end": 31574.765, "text": "and hopefully get this done. So uh we'll be back at 7 15." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36194.965, "end": 36196.645, "text": "All right, welcome back to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36197.625, "end": 36200.285, "text": "Calgary City Council. Um Mr. Clerk, please call the roll." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36201.285, "end": 36202.805, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Councillor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36205.325, "end": 36206.165, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36207.185, "end": 36207.965, "text": "Counselor Jamison." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36208.245, "end": 36208.745, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36209.045, "end": 36210.365, "text": "Counselor McLean?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36211.405, "end": 36211.565, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36211.825, "end": 36212.585, "text": "Counselor Johnston?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36213.085, "end": 36213.325, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36213.545, "end": 36214.325, "text": "Counselor Tyres." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36215.045, "end": 36216.105, "text": "Counselor Y Ness?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36218.225, "end": 36218.665, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36218.905, "end": 36219.565, "text": "Councillor Yule?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36220.505, "end": 36221.145, "text": "Councilor Kelly?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 36221.385, "end": 36221.705, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36222.205, "end": 36222.945, "text": "Councillor Dollywell?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36224.845, "end": 36226.285, "text": "Thank you. Councilor Panzezopoulos?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36227.065, "end": 36228.005, "text": "Counselor Atkinson?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36228.445, "end": 36229.065, "text": "Counselor Schmidt?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36229.745, "end": 36230.425, "text": "Counselor Clark?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36230.985, "end": 36231.905, "text": "And Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36232.585, "end": 36236.465, "text": "I'm here, and uh let's go to Councilor Schmidt, please, on an amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36238.245, "end": 36239.625, "text": "Yes, thank you. So," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36240.925, "end": 36243.405, "text": "my final amendment um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36244.605, "end": 36245.745, "text": "for HGO," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36247.205, "end": 36248.045, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36248.665, "end": 36253.605, "text": "based on how the sweets one went, I'll cut to the chase here. Um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36255.305, "end": 36263.285, "text": "what I sent to everybody ahead of time were some maps and an explanation of what this amendment intends to do. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36264.805, "end": 36268.185, "text": "and what it intends to do is in August 2024." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36269.165, "end": 36270.345, "text": "There was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36270.865, "end": 36271.185, "text": "an" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36272.065, "end": 36276.565, "text": "a motion passed to zone nodes and corridors" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36277.465, "end": 36288.165, "text": "where they were approved in certain LAPs that existed before the rezoning. So North Hill LAP, Westbrook LAP, and Heritage LAP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36288.725, "end": 36289.865, "text": "And what that did" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36290.525, "end": 36294.405, "text": "was it took the zones identified within the LAP" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36295.385, "end": 36299.605, "text": "as appropriate for H GO and zoned them to H GO." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36300.765, "end": 36301.305, "text": "So," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36301.985, "end": 36310.165, "text": "the reason why I'm bringing this forward is because it checks many of the boxes that came up during the hearing, focus on nodes and corridors," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36310.845, "end": 36316.225, "text": "align with LAPs, and provide certainty through LAPs by zoning" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36317.165, "end": 36319.925, "text": "with the changes in the LAP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36320.525, "end": 36322.085, "text": "This accomplished those things." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36322.985, "end": 36331.125, "text": "And so what it does is it maintains those parcels from that hearing which you all received ahead of time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36332.145, "end": 36332.925, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36334.065, "end": 36338.385, "text": "allows those to remain in place so that we have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36339.525, "end": 36340.325, "text": "density" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36341.025, "end": 36352.945, "text": "on primary transit networks close to C trains, close to max buses, and these parcels do not have to come to council to do what we've said" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36353.665, "end": 36356.645, "text": "we would like to do in the future, anyways." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36359.325, "end": 36360.925, "text": "So I think I'll just leave it at that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36361.385, "end": 36368.465, "text": "Um I don't know if there really needs to be much debate here given how things have gone since the first reading of the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 36368.965, "end": 36388.965, "text": "But I will again emphasize that if you were saying LAPs work, if you were saying nodes and corridors transit oriented development works, if you were saying we need more certainties through LAPs by zoning, ch changing zoning when we put in LAPs, then this checks all three of those boxes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36391.905, "end": 36393.805, "text": "All right. Uh do we have a second around that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36395.985, "end": 36399.165, "text": "Second by Councilor Clark. Uh Councillor Johnson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 36401.585, "end": 36403.925, "text": "Yeah, full disclosure, we received this amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 36404.465, "end": 36405.865, "text": "yesterday or the day before?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 36407.485, "end": 36408.705, "text": "Tuesday. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 36409.005, "end": 36412.085, "text": "we received this amendment yesterday. So that was a time we've had to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 36412.465, "end": 36424.245, "text": "go over this map and everything to do with it. And the second thing is is yes, we also listened to submissions and people that came and talked to us, and a big part of it was don't make any amendments on the floor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 36424.905, "end": 36426.285, "text": "I agree with some of what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 36427.145, "end": 36435.525, "text": "Councilor Schmidt is bringing up on this topic, but again, it's not the time and place to be doing this. I suggest for him to bring it back at a different time after more." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 36437.205, "end": 36441.645, "text": "After we have more time to actually go over it and talk with our constituents about it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 36442.705, "end": 36443.305, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 36445.445, "end": 36447.145, "text": "I'm I'm a hard no on this. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36447.965, "end": 36448.865, "text": "Counselor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36451.065, "end": 36453.065, "text": "Councillor McLean, what is going on over there?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36454.545, "end": 36456.045, "text": "I was seemed very excited." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36456.185, "end": 36457.785, "text": "All right, Counselor Shabot, please go." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36458.585, "end": 36460.025, "text": "So I'll be I'll be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36460.165, "end": 36461.725, "text": "fairly brief on this. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36462.405, "end": 36465.885, "text": "I I question whether or not this is contrary even to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36466.645, "end": 36472.385, "text": "to uh the motion that we've just voted on, because the motion we just voted on was to repeal" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36472.925, "end": 36475.185, "text": "um all of the previous zoning, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36475.405, "end": 36477.205, "text": "this was part of the blanket zoning," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36477.385, "end": 36479.785, "text": "notwithstanding that it did align with the LAPs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36480.065, "end": 36486.525, "text": "We've just voted to repeal that and to reinstate the original land uses. This is contrary to that. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36486.725, "end": 36487.845, "text": "I I mean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36488.065, "end": 36490.245, "text": "if you're willing to accept it, that's fine. I I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36491.205, "end": 36493.585, "text": "I'm not going to support it for a number of reasons." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36494.085, "end": 36512.125, "text": "Even though we heard from the folks uh a lot of folks saying that they would support a process by which we did engagement with them to look at city initiated redesignations in certain areas, they did indicate they wanted to be consulted, and the way it was originally rolled out, they weren't." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36512.885, "end": 36532.045, "text": "The blanket zoning was introduced citywide, and whilst there was different applications on how it was it was it rolled out, whether RCG or HCO, depending on on where they fell in the whole housing continuum and local area plan perspective, it it didn't have the benefit of that that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36532.525, "end": 36545.065, "text": "you know touching base with with the community again to to let them know we're gonna do city initiatory redesignation in these zones. And and what are your thoughts around this? Do you think this is appropriate to think this is too far reaching? All of these kind of questions, I think." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36545.445, "end": 36550.165, "text": "Um should have the benefit of of further engagement with the community and just does not do that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36550.725, "end": 36553.065, "text": "This is essentially going back on our word." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36553.345, "end": 36557.125, "text": "And and to me, in my opinion, it's actually contrary. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36557.585, "end": 36570.505, "text": "that said, I'm going to vote against it and encourage council to vote against it as well. And happy to have this discussion on a go forward basis through reviewing the LAPs to see where it is appropriate to do city initiated redesignation after public consultation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36571.825, "end": 36575.785, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Shabot. My understanding is in our procedure bylaw, we don't really" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36576.425, "end": 36578.605, "text": "contemplate uh contrary as a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36579.445, "end": 36582.165, "text": "uh as a term anymore, but I think you have a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36582.665, "end": 36585.505, "text": "fair point in terms of whether this could be out of bounds of what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36586.005, "end": 36589.825, "text": "we went into this based on the notice of motion direction as well as what was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36590.425, "end": 36595.805, "text": "advertised in the public hearing. Could we weigh in maybe from legal in terms of what your comfort level would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36596.465, "end": 36604.065, "text": "in terms of counsel even discussing this, given that it was not materially uh advertised as a range of option or uh possibility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 36604.405, "end": 36622.585, "text": "Well my understanding is that you've contemplated changing the land use redesignation for a number of parcels, and this is an amendment to reduce the number of parcels. So I I think it's it's uh an amendment that council could contemplate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36623.825, "end": 36625.825, "text": "So just to make sure I hear you right, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36626.505, "end": 36637.545, "text": "we've advertised to the public uh a number of different parcels, and this is purely to keep the existing zoning in place rather than to make the change, but for a subsect of the parcels identified on the map." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 36638.005, "end": 36643.525, "text": "precisely. And in my view, it's it's um refusing part of the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36644.825, "end": 36653.585, "text": "I certainly will grant that this is against the spirit of the notice of motion and what started the public hearing, but based on uh what we've heard from legal, I will rule it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36653.865, "end": 36655.305, "text": "in order. If uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36656.005, "end": 36661.705, "text": "any of you would like to make a challenge to the chair that that would to the extent of us not voting on this, then I'd be happy to welcome that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36663.065, "end": 36664.705, "text": "So on a point of procedure," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36665.505, "end": 36666.105, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36666.905, "end": 36671.085, "text": "I'm tempted, I'm tempted only because this is coming after the fact." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36671.565, "end": 36671.745, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36671.745, "end": 36677.465, "text": "If we had done this motion before we voted on first reading, I would I would argue that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36677.725, "end": 36679.065, "text": "it's not contrary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36679.425, "end": 36693.645, "text": "But the fact that we've already voted on first reading of the bylaw to repeal, to redesignate these properties, this isn't withholding that. They've already been redesignated at least insofar as first reading. Whilst we haven't done three readings on this yet, so it isn't a feta completing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36694.545, "end": 36697.345, "text": "I think the stage is already set, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 36697.965, "end": 36699.825, "text": "I'm not gonna challenge the chair on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36700.325, "end": 36700.765, "text": "Alrighty." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36701.625, "end": 36703.085, "text": "Councillor Clark, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36704.485, "end": 36705.225, "text": "Thank you, your worship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 36705.985, "end": 36766.805, "text": "I was glad to second this because I believe it's important to be heard on this. And I have to say that this is beginning to feel quite a bit like our first round in December where uh this initially uh the notice of motion came forward, a number of amendments were brought forward, and all were sort of it wasn't quite the right time. There was a sense of of there was a feeling in the room that it just none of it was going to land. It's beginning to feel that way about this evening as well. And so um while I think it's important to I also spent this afternoon, you know, in my closing remarks, saying that we've got to rebuild some trust here. So I feel kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place, but I think it's important that for the amount notices or sorry, the amendments that are to come forward now, uh, I think we've still got uh quite a few. So I'm glad to listen. And um I think it's important that we we look at these, we reflect on them, uh, with the realization that they're likely to come forward over the course of the next few months. And I think that's really important. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36768.225, "end": 36769.185, "text": "Councillor McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 36770.045, "end": 36772.445, "text": "Yeah, I'm just gonna pick up where Councillor Clark left off." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 36772.965, "end": 36776.305, "text": "Um, and restoring trust. When we all voted and took a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 36776.865, "end": 36778.785, "text": "little bit of um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 36779.365, "end": 36781.845, "text": "twelve to three to repeal blank rezoning," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 36782.365, "end": 36785.145, "text": "voting in favor in this was kind of really contrary" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 36785.625, "end": 36786.045, "text": "to th" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 36786.525, "end": 36787.725, "text": "that last vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 36788.305, "end": 36790.745, "text": "I think that would really people are already wondering if we've uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 36791.205, "end": 36792.665, "text": "muddied up the the repeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 36793.165, "end": 36795.785, "text": "And this would totally money it up, so I just can't see." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 36796.165, "end": 36799.845, "text": "If you voted for the first reading and then you voted for this, that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 36800.205, "end": 36803.045, "text": "uh d be consistent and vote no to this, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36804.245, "end": 36805.105, "text": "Councilor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 36806.785, "end": 36808.205, "text": "Thank you, worship. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 36808.705, "end": 36814.105, "text": "I I I mean, I voted against uh Councillor Schmidt's previous um because I felt that it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 36815.165, "end": 36835.845, "text": "Wasn't in line with what we were doing here today. Um in this particular case, this one is in line with the local area plans. Um I'm gonna build off of what Councillor McLean was just saying there, but in terms of rebuilding trust with folks, we heard over and over and over again about the importance of local area planning. And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 36837.245, "end": 36851.325, "text": "if we're suddenly going to take something away from someone that they previously had that's in alignment with the planning that they had already done, uh that doesn't build trust with people, in my mind." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 36852.145, "end": 36861.985, "text": "Um the other bit I would say in terms of here looking at the map uh that was provided that was that was circulated around. Uh I don't know if you have it, clerks, if you can pull it up on the screen by any chance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 36863.625, "end": 36865.165, "text": "No, you don't have it? Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 36865.725, "end": 36866.585, "text": "No, that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 36866.585, "end": 36870.085, "text": "Sorry, Councillor Kelly, do you mean the the distribution?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 36870.385, "end": 36924.545, "text": "Uh no, I'm referring to the map that was uh circulated by Councillor Schmidt when he uh when he emailed us this yesterday. But if uh if clerks doesn't have it, that's that's perfectly fine. Uh I just want to point out like it this is not very blanket of blanket rezoning. This is some very small number of number of parcels that this applies to that are all in alignment with the local area plans. And so essentially it's like wards seven and eight for the most part. So I'm most interested here in debate to hear what the counselors for what wards seven and eight have. Uh, because if they've been having the conversation with their their neighbors about what it is that they're looking for and what and it's already in the local area plan, uh, in my mind, this might be a case of uh something that got caught up in our in our blanket repeal, uh, that perhaps uh should not have been. So I will look to those two counselors to um." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 36926.005, "end": 36948.885, "text": "For for their thoughts as it relates to this, and then uh for any of the other counselors whose area that this might touch, I'm I'm obviously very interested to hear yours. Um I think I only have a little bit in Ward 4, and it's basically Center Street, um, which is we already know we want that to densify. So uh HGO is completely in line there. So uh I'm comfortable with it from a ward four perspective." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 36949.945, "end": 36951.425, "text": "Councillor Penazopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36952.305, "end": 36953.165, "text": "Thanks so much. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36953.645, "end": 36955.165, "text": "Cleric, do you mind just bringing up that map" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36955.725, "end": 36956.385, "text": "that I just sent?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36957.445, "end": 36958.685, "text": "So this is what's impacted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36959.465, "end": 36967.385, "text": "If you look at that, I'd suggest 70, 80% of the population in the city of Calgary. Maybe that's wrong, certainly north of 50. You're picking one area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36967.585, "end": 36972.745, "text": "We just voted four in favor, eleven against, something very similar on the outskirts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36973.645, "end": 36975.005, "text": "This is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36975.165, "end": 36978.125, "text": "breach of trust at its finest. Coming in at this level." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36978.785, "end": 36989.125, "text": "I generally agree that we need to have a conversation with community, and you'll see emotion arising, getting data to come back and look at this, but and saying, do we make does it make sense to densify here?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36989.585, "end": 36997.245, "text": "What happens to every other community? Go up to 22, 21, 18. You're picking and choosing out of convenience, that's not acceptable. We said no" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 36997.605, "end": 37001.745, "text": "on the outskirts, and now we're coming in and picking, and it is word six. It does" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 37002.205, "end": 37060.565, "text": "Capture a bunch of people. We need to have that conversation. Is this reasonable? Is that the intent? We need to go. I I I think just look at this map when you're voting and look at this. If we just have part of this was is we need to have a citywide plan. We need to understand, we need to have a solution. Uh this you have to vote no against this. If if you voted no on uh the RG for the exact same rationale and reason as you're you're picking, if you will, on certain communities, uh, we need to come back and do LAPs, we need to come back and do uh area structure plans and make sure they align, and then we come across with the city so that we can go to areas in the map 39, 42, 40, and say, hey, here's where density makes sense across the city. We're all in it together. We're gonna densify where it makes sense. We're gonna build up and do what makes sense from an economic perspective, from a land use perspective. But this one cannot work in its present form. We need to have that conversation. Come back in six to twelve months. We understand where we want to densify, and this might be the path, but it's not the right path today. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37064.425, "end": 37066.325, "text": "All right, uh, Councilor Schmidt to close, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37067.365, "end": 37072.125, "text": "I'll just point a clarification from administration these changes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37073.205, "end": 37080.345, "text": "Align with LAPs that have already been approved, that have already gone through public engagement, where this was done through" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37081.065, "end": 37092.365, "text": "those multiple years in these cases. These do not require a new LAP. To do what some counselors are suggesting would mean that we would redo these LAPs that already exist." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 37093.285, "end": 37157.025, "text": "Yeah, just to clarify, so as part of rezoning for housing, there were two things happening. One was the base district RCG. A second, related but not the same, was the HGO. What the HGO was was in areas in local areas, sorry, was parts of areas of local area plans where we specifically identified this land use district to happen. When we messaged to the public and to council, when this came forward to council, we had maps showing these corridors saying these are areas that are HGO. Through our engagement, we always talked about neighborhood connector, and we always said that's the HGO district. So throughout the entire process, we'd always messaged that those corridors as HGO, sorry, the neighborhood connector were to be HGO. So part of rezoning for housing, again, two different things happening. You have the base district blanket, and then you have this very specific LAP informed HGO rezoning. This is what that is. This is basically taking a particular uh land use district or urban form category in the local area plans." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 37157.305, "end": 37164.305, "text": "And rezoning based on that. And again, we did message throughout the entire process that this is HGO. And that's what you see before you today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 37164.465, "end": 37175.245, "text": "Okay, thank you. If I may ask, um, sorry to interrupt, if I may ask Mr. Um Clerk to please put up the map that shows the HGO LAP analysis, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 37176.685, "end": 37179.205, "text": "Mr. Shrivers, do you mind explaining what this map shows?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 37179.325, "end": 37183.725, "text": "Apologies, clerks. There's an a second map that goes with this, which is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 37184.005, "end": 37194.845, "text": "In c perfect. Council, the the parcels that are the black outline along the dark yellow translate to where the corridors are." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 37197.165, "end": 37229.025, "text": "And that is correct. So you can see it's with that dark yellow, the neighborhood connector, where it overlaps with certain building scales. And you can see that it basically matches one-to-one. Where you don't have those overlap is because it's a different building scale. Here in North Hill, you have things like heritage guidelines that may make it so it's not HGO. But it is essentially we went through that process and we we were very clear with the public that these are HGO areas and that's the zoning that's appropriate for it. And so you can see that match up with the urban form map and the HGO map. It was an exact alignment of that. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37230.365, "end": 37231.625, "text": "Okay, thank you. So," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37232.505, "end": 37235.265, "text": "I mean, I don't know if there's just confusion here, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37235.785, "end": 37238.805, "text": "what's being suggested has already been done." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37240.965, "end": 37258.165, "text": "So then I guess if we want to redo it, let's be honest and say we want to redo the LAPs that already exist because these already exist, they've already gone through that consultation. So if we're saying we want to reconsult and scrap all the existing LAPs, then let's do that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37258.845, "end": 37264.925, "text": "Let's not say that this isn't the right time because we need to do LAPs. These LAPs are already done." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37266.225, "end": 37269.985, "text": "So I'm I I'm just gonna leave it there because I I mean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37270.805, "end": 37278.225, "text": "I I think that we all need to hit the books and understand where this process is at following this, because clearly" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37278.745, "end": 37287.285, "text": "There's not a full understanding of where we are and what we've been voting on throughout this entire process, and I think this is symbolic of that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37287.985, "end": 37304.905, "text": "because we can't go back and renegotiate these. They've already been negotiated. It's already been advertised. We just heard from administration that the public engaged on this. And so if you're saying that engagement was wrong and that the public was wrong in that case, then fair enough, let's do that. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37305.465, "end": 37307.805, "text": "If if you think that LAPs are good" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37308.545, "end": 37312.245, "text": "and that the existing LAPs should stand as they are," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 37313.305, "end": 37314.985, "text": "then that's all this is doing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37320.905, "end": 37327.925, "text": "Could we just for the benefit of council members and the uh public watching, just do a recap of exactly what uh this motion is and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37328.065, "end": 37330.405, "text": "as much uh plain words as possible?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 37331.285, "end": 37333.885, "text": "Sure, I'll take a crack at that, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 37334.145, "end": 37344.125, "text": "Uh so what Councillor Schmidt is proposing is that uh again, going to the recommendations, recommendation 2C," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 37344.945, "end": 37345.785, "text": "not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 37346.285, "end": 37347.645, "text": "Be or or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 37349.065, "end": 37358.105, "text": "not be approved, I guess, and retain the HGO district in the areas that the LAP's approved, as Mr. Schriver has just described." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37360.145, "end": 37362.765, "text": "Okay, with that, uh Mr. Clark, let's please engage the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 37384.985, "end": 37386.285, "text": "Councillor Sherbeau, your vote, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37389.405, "end": 37390.105, "text": "Uh be a no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 37390.925, "end": 37392.825, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Tyres, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37393.385, "end": 37393.565, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 37395.185, "end": 37396.665, "text": "And Mayor Fergus, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37396.985, "end": 37397.285, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 37397.885, "end": 37399.145, "text": "Thank you. Mayor, all the votes were in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37399.565, "end": 37400.945, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37404.025, "end": 37409.445, "text": "On that, the uh motion has been defeated with Councillor Schmidt, Kelly, Atkinson, and Yule in favor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37411.185, "end": 37413.605, "text": "All right. Uh any further amendments from you, Councilor Schmidt?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37415.885, "end": 37419.965, "text": "All right, I am going to go to Councilor Tyres, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37420.285, "end": 37435.705, "text": "I was aware previously that Counselor Tyres had uh the intention to do a revive revision to one of the map schedules. And I know that we had settled section four, but because it was my omission to call you at the appropriate time, I'm going to uh acknowledge you to make the case." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 37438.665, "end": 37513.245, "text": "Thank you, Chair. I appreciate the benevolence in you allowing that to happen, if I can use that word. As you guys have heard this week from multiple Bonesians and varsity residents coming to present to present at this public hearing, the community of Bonas especially has been under extreme pressure from multiple angles, whether it's flooding from the river, failing infrastructure like the Bears Poss South Feeder Main, which will, by the way, cause 34th Avenue to be ripped open for months, and continue intense densification from blanket rezoning. This community is struggling to keep up. Today in Bonas, there are approximately 60 developmental permits and advertised and circulation are under review. Many of these are multi-unit developments which have been occurring in the area since blanket rezoning came into effect. And additionally, all these developments have come into the community without any guidance of a recent LAP. Or I guess I just should just say no LAP. And Boness has limited space to due to its geography and the influx of units has clogged the streets with cars. Even the capacity of residents to evacuate the area in the event of another flood event has been raised." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 37513.965, "end": 37518.765, "text": "Uh now if you look at the table that I'm referring to, I don't know if clerks can bring it up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 37524.525, "end": 37525.205, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37527.925, "end": 37530.005, "text": "We'll find that in pause the clock for just a moment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 37530.105, "end": 37532.005, "text": "oh thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 37541.685, "end": 37544.805, "text": "Okay. You look at this table, it says, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 37545.845, "end": 37596.845, "text": "Pre-19 communities with 0.5 parking stalls, and this is defined in the bylaw as pre-1960. Now, if you look at some of these uh communities, this is clearly being like gerrymanagered, like a lot of these communities don't fall under that category. I believe previous council just put whatever communities they wanted in this uh table. So I brought this forward to my colleagues, and you'll see in my amendment there's actually more communities than just boness and varsity. Those are the communities in my area. There have been other counselors that want to add their communities as well for similar reasons, and I'll allow them to speak on behalf of those communities. But those are the reasons why I would like to take bonass and varsity off of there, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37597.365, "end": 37601.165, "text": "Okay. I believe that's second by uh Councilor Ward, and I'm gonna go over to you, sir." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 37602.545, "end": 37610.025, "text": "Yeah, just to speak on this, I mean, we we've recognized that parking is one of the biggest issues that people have brought up during this. And um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 37611.005, "end": 37626.005, "text": "as I said, I'm in favor of you know, l let's get stuff built quicker if we can alleviate the parking concern, then that helps us get stuff done here. Um upon reviewing the table, it was my understanding that these were all communities that were built um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 37627.925, "end": 37628.625, "text": "Before" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 37628.885, "end": 37653.525, "text": "yeah, before 196 or after yeah, before 1960, which I didn't think my communities would fall into, but doing a bit of research, I mean, Maple Ridge, for example, was established in 1966, so I didn't think it would be part of this, but it's because it was annexed in 1956, before 1960, so thus the confusion. But um anyway, that that's the short version of that. If you could please support." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37656.585, "end": 37657.525, "text": "Councilor Shabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37662.005, "end": 37664.065, "text": "Not sure what names are on there, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37665.105, "end": 37665.765, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37667.845, "end": 37673.025, "text": "there's one in particular. Um so I think I added Melan Heights on there as well, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37673.285, "end": 37675.545, "text": "only because it's one of the communities in War 10." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37675.825, "end": 37681.865, "text": "That one, um, I'd be okay with not having that one stand because it was built prior to 1960." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37682.505, "end": 37688.845, "text": "The reason I wanted Marlboro included in there, and I tried to propose that initially when it was ri originally introduced, is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37689.125, "end": 37700.225, "text": "it was approved as a community in 1967, but most of the construction occurred in the 70s in Marlboro. And so for me it didn't actually fall in line with the pre 1960s" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37700.465, "end": 37702.945, "text": "sort of intent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37703.505, "end": 37706.045, "text": "So I I I would like to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37706.745, "end": 37709.245, "text": "withdraw Mellon Heights out of that list." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37709.805, "end": 37717.365, "text": "Just because it is in alignment with the rest of the inner city communities, then it was built prior, you know, in the 60s or prior." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37717.925, "end": 37722.445, "text": "But Marlboro for sure, in my opinion, needs to be included on this list of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37722.665, "end": 37725.205, "text": "ones that need to retain that one to one. Ultimately," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37725.705, "end": 37731.865, "text": "uh personally, I think all of them should be one to one, but for now, um, insofar as amending the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37732.765, "end": 37733.385, "text": "the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37733.865, "end": 37735.025, "text": "the current list," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37735.525, "end": 37738.465, "text": "um Marlboro for sure needs to stay on there and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37739.225, "end": 37739.725, "text": "Malin" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37739.985, "end": 37741.545, "text": "Heights, I think, should be taken off." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37742.545, "end": 37748.065, "text": "So just to be clear, uh Councilor Shabot, are you looking to amend this amendment uh by striking" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37749.085, "end": 37752.165, "text": "the words uh mail and heights from this amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37752.365, "end": 37753.425, "text": "Yes, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37755.705, "end": 37755.965, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37756.405, "end": 37758.045, "text": "Unless we go to all one-to-one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37758.625, "end": 37761.965, "text": "So for now, I just want to keep it in alignment with the intent of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37762.325, "end": 37764.425, "text": "the motion that was approved by council. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37764.785, "end": 37766.405, "text": "that would keep it in line with that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37769.625, "end": 37770.645, "text": "Give us uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37770.785, "end": 37772.025, "text": "just a moment, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 37772.025, "end": 37774.705, "text": "We're just uh crafting that and getting that up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 37775.825, "end": 37776.805, "text": "Mayor, it'll just be a moment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37783.185, "end": 37786.245, "text": "do we have a seconder for that amendment to the amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37787.005, "end": 37788.745, "text": "Seconded by Councilor Tyres." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37789.205, "end": 37789.505, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37790.685, "end": 37796.645, "text": "Um any further debate on the amendment to the amendment? It was relatively self explanatory. Councilor Atkinson? Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37798.645, "end": 37799.805, "text": "This is nuts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37802.025, "end": 37819.825, "text": "This whole thing is nuts. Talking about not bacon on the floor of council, and this is what we're doing. We're going into parking requirements in certain communities. Are you kidding me? Not a single Ward 7 community on that list, not a single Ward 8 community on that list. This is the suburbs trying to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37820.245, "end": 37835.945, "text": "Land all the density in inner city communities. This is insanity. I cannot believe the just outward, just like not who who cares? And just like just trying to do do do it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 37837.045, "end": 37849.885, "text": "It's wild. It is absolutely wild. So uh no to the amendment, no to the original motion. This is this is bad, bad, bad governance, bad governance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37851.545, "end": 37855.285, "text": "All right, uh on the amendment to the amendment, Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 37858.565, "end": 37864.465, "text": "You know, I I've been I've been listening over the past little bit, like how many people said uh full repeal, no amendments?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 37866.825, "end": 37870.745, "text": "Holy geez, we're fully into the amendments now. Uh this is uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 37871.905, "end": 37879.785, "text": "we we said that we didn't want to be making sausage on the flora council, but like this is opening a sausage making factory. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 37880.425, "end": 37882.645, "text": "yeah, this is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 37883.265, "end": 37893.565, "text": "This one, I admit, is hitting me. Like with with Counselor Schmidt's uh amendments, like they were circulated around yesterday. I got a chance to take a look at them. This is the first I've seen this one. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 37894.185, "end": 37895.385, "text": "yeah, this is uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 37896.045, "end": 37917.685, "text": "uh I will admit, very surprising to me that we're getting into this level of detail when we've had such a conversation up until this point about full repeal, pass it over to the to the next, and then and then we'll go into it. But that apparently is out the window here. I yeah, no to the amendment to the amendment, no to the amendment. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 37918.045, "end": 37927.705, "text": "I'm really surprised that uh how how quickly we're we're we're changing on what we had said. I don't know what happened over the dinner break, but um yeah, this will be a no for me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37929.725, "end": 37933.005, "text": "Uh on the amendment to the amendment, Councillor Johnson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 37934.025, "end": 37949.825, "text": "Yeah, again, we had the opportunity to eliminate four from this entire process. And you're right, the sausage factory is in full form right now. And uh this strengthens and protects Ward 14 from future development where they do not want it. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 37950.245, "end": 37954.225, "text": "that's what I want to do protect Ward 14 from stuff they do not want. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 37955.185, "end": 37958.045, "text": "I would love for you guys to help me protect Ward 14. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37963.305, "end": 37981.825, "text": "All right, I'll I'll just briefly enter uh enter debate. I I fully appreciate the intent uh behind this. Uh I won't be supporting the amendment to the amendment nor the amendment. Uh I just think I we're getting a bit off track from having as pure a repeal uh as possible. I I fully understand the the intent of why this is being brought forward though." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37983.105, "end": 37985.885, "text": "All right, uh Councillor Shabot to close on your amendment to the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 37987.025, "end": 37987.445, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 37988.045, "end": 37996.405, "text": "All right. Uh Mr. Clerk, let's uh please uh engage the e-vote on the amendment to the amendment, which is to delete the words uh mail and heights from the original amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 38011.005, "end": 38013.405, "text": "Counselor Ewell on the amendment to the amendment, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 38013.505, "end": 38013.885, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 38015.545, "end": 38018.565, "text": "Councillor Atkinson, thank you. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 38021.805, "end": 38023.085, "text": "Uh yes to my amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 38023.565, "end": 38024.345, "text": "To the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 38024.345, "end": 38025.765, "text": "And Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38026.825, "end": 38027.385, "text": "Uh no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 38028.465, "end": 38029.485, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38029.525, "end": 38030.985, "text": "Thanks. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38039.245, "end": 38044.625, "text": "On the amendment to the amendment, that motion is carried with councillor Schmidt, Kelly, Daliwell, Penazopoulos," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38044.965, "end": 38047.785, "text": "Clark, Wynus, and myself uh opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38047.965, "end": 38054.325, "text": "Uh over to uh counselor Schmidt, please, on the amendment as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38055.305, "end": 38057.945, "text": "Yeah, so I'll just repeat what was said." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38059.485, "end": 38061.025, "text": "I mean, my amendments died" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38061.425, "end": 38065.665, "text": "because we said no amendments on the floor. This goes against the spirit of what we're doing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38067.185, "end": 38072.145, "text": "I just want my colleagues to be honest about their opposition to things." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38073.025, "end": 38079.165, "text": "Your opposition was not to amendments on the floor, your opposition was to the spirit of what was on the floor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38080.045, "end": 38083.365, "text": "To the fact that you don't want to see this because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38085.645, "end": 38087.905, "text": "what we have here is an amendment for what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38088.505, "end": 38093.005, "text": "you want because it's a priority that you have. Fair enough." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38093.385, "end": 38094.645, "text": "Then say that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38095.205, "end": 38100.645, "text": "Don't say it's because you want to somehow protect what the public was expecting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38101.245, "end": 38102.805, "text": "I wasn't expecting this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38104.705, "end": 38105.325, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38105.705, "end": 38110.925, "text": "you're punishing Ward 7 and 8. And if you want to do that, then just say that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38112.585, "end": 38113.065, "text": "Don't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38113.705, "end": 38116.865, "text": "Parse this in procedure and listening to the public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38117.505, "end": 38125.745, "text": "Be honest about what you're doing here. And what this does is it creates preferential treatment for certain communities" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38128.665, "end": 38140.825, "text": "and it leaves other communities out that have taken far more of the pressure over the last 20 years of this development. So yeah, maybe we want to protect Ward 14. Well, Ward 14 has seen zero RCG amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38141.565, "end": 38145.045, "text": "So what are we protecting here? We spent an hour." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38145.745, "end": 38146.605, "text": "Debating" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38148.245, "end": 38159.165, "text": "another counselor's problem and other counselors' problems with an amendment that wasn't, in their view, in the spirit of what we were doing here today. Well, now look what we're doing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38159.765, "end": 38161.705, "text": "This is extremely frustrating" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38162.605, "end": 38176.285, "text": "because if you had just been honest, then we could have had an honest discussion. But instead, we're playing politics to benefit what you want to see for your wards, and fair enough, but just put it out in the clear. I put mine out in the clear." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38177.005, "end": 38181.965, "text": "I knew they were likely going to fail, but I believed in them and I put them here in an honest way," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38182.705, "end": 38183.125, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38183.705, "end": 38185.765, "text": "we're not getting the same treatment in return." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38186.485, "end": 38190.325, "text": "So that speaks a lot to me, and I'm gonna remember that for a long time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38193.405, "end": 38196.065, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Schmidt. I'm gonna go to Ms." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38196.065, "end": 38197.485, "text": "Point of privilege. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38198.205, "end": 38199.445, "text": "Yes, uh Counselor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38199.445, "end": 38199.885, "text": "me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38200.265, "end": 38200.905, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38202.025, "end": 38204.825, "text": "Well, point of privilege that I was being laughed at while I was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38205.225, "end": 38206.385, "text": "putting forward" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38206.705, "end": 38207.465, "text": "my debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38207.465, "end": 38213.125, "text": "I'm gonna resolve Counselor Johnston's uh point of privilege first. So, Counselor Johnston, if you please speak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38213.885, "end": 38217.165, "text": "uh yeah, I was about to speak and he said, well" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38217.345, "end": 38222.225, "text": "I can't say it out loud, but you can imagine what he said, and I don't think that was appropriate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38222.645, "end": 38229.665, "text": "I'm not gonna imagine it. I I will take it uh duly noted. Uh Counselor Schmidt, on your uh point of privilege, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38231.265, "end": 38235.565, "text": "Well, just well uh uh to be able to concentrate during my debate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38236.405, "end": 38240.345, "text": "while there's laughter. So I apologize for my remark, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38241.245, "end": 38242.965, "text": "I would like to be able to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38243.805, "end": 38246.465, "text": "Have my debate happen without" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38247.945, "end": 38249.145, "text": "you know commentary" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 38250.765, "end": 38255.765, "text": "contemporaneous to what I'm saying. And so I was frustrated, and so I apologize for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38256.285, "end": 38261.825, "text": "And I I think uh fair enough. I think the video shows the uh distractions make it very hard for us to be able to provide uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38262.045, "end": 38263.325, "text": "the that commentary. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38263.605, "end": 38266.565, "text": "I think Councillor Johnston duly noted, Counselor Schmidt duly noted and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38267.225, "end": 38275.385, "text": "It's been a long uh couple weeks here. We're gonna be able to get through. So if uh and again it's not the only uh sidebar conversation that's distracted from folks as they're speaking. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38275.765, "end": 38278.325, "text": "I know Councillor Johnson, when you were doing your clothes, it was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38278.705, "end": 38281.485, "text": "probably frustrating for you when you saw uh a bunch of sidebar" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38281.765, "end": 38283.305, "text": "conversations on the other side. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38283.865, "end": 38287.765, "text": "let's all endeavor to continue to treat each other with respect to the extent that we can." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38288.465, "end": 38291.245, "text": "Uh I want to go to Ms. uh Davies Murphy, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38292.825, "end": 38295.365, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38295.945, "end": 38298.905, "text": "we just quickly have cross-referenced the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38299.385, "end": 38303.265, "text": "communities here. Cedar Bray is not listed in the table, so I would just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38303.425, "end": 38305.285, "text": "ask the may the mover to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38305.545, "end": 38306.665, "text": "amend that, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38307.905, "end": 38309.285, "text": "All right, so uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38309.465, "end": 38316.365, "text": "I believe that uh what's been identified as Cedarbreak is not actually one that's eligible to be deleted. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38317.125, "end": 38321.785, "text": "I believe that's a pretty straightforward clerical uh correction here, Mr. Clerk. Could we just change" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38322.185, "end": 38325.745, "text": "what the text was as it was moved so that uh is legal and bounds?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 38325.905, "end": 38330.645, "text": "We'll move the we'll uh make that correction to the motion to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 38331.125, "end": 38335.825, "text": "uh in reflection of the fact that that the community is not in the bylaw to be amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38336.005, "end": 38338.045, "text": "And no issues with that, uh Counselor Tyrers?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38339.025, "end": 38340.645, "text": "Yeah, that's just a clerical error." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38341.305, "end": 38344.825, "text": "All right, uh we've Counselor Johnston on this? Did you want to speak?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38344.985, "end": 38348.505, "text": "Yep. Um War 14, War 12" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38349.325, "end": 38353.305, "text": "has had density that inner city couldn't even imagine." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38354.045, "end": 38368.645, "text": "Built. We have the largest, one of the largest condo buildings in Bonavista in the entire city. More density than you could ever handle. So you want to bring ideology into everything, but when things don't go your way," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38369.065, "end": 38374.765, "text": "you start panicking and name-calling and having an issue. Well," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38375.385, "end": 38404.925, "text": "I'm sorry, you brought ideology into this, right? I tried to eliminate these amendments. You wouldn't back me up on it. So here we are making sausage on the table. Yes, this protects Ward 14, and I'll come out and say, yes, I want to protect Ward 14. I don't know how more honest I can be about it. This is protects future growth in neighborhoods that aren't prepared for it right now. Now you want to talk 20 years from now? Yeah, Ward 14 has a lot of neighborhoods that will be ready for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38406.905, "end": 38414.665, "text": "the next step. But right now they are not ready for it. So for me this helps protect that. And yes, this goes against making amendments on the floor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38416.785, "end": 38417.245, "text": "But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38418.085, "end": 38421.845, "text": "we brought ideology into it. Here it is now. So please vote for this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38422.145, "end": 38426.405, "text": "All right, uh Counselor Johnson, and uh not just calling you out specifically on this, but others uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38426.985, "end": 38429.965, "text": "relayer procedure bylaw shows uh calls on us to just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38430.245, "end": 38434.625, "text": "to provide our commentary to the chair and specifically trying to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38435.105, "end": 38439.225, "text": "direct commentary uh especially if unwelcome to other members of council like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38439.665, "end": 38445.445, "text": "let's to the extent that we can avoid that and stick to the procedure that uh we've agreed through uh through the bylaw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38446.165, "end": 38447.445, "text": "uh counselor atkinson please" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38452.125, "end": 38459.925, "text": "We can't be doing this. We can't be doing this. This is this is not how you do proper planning. This is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38462.225, "end": 38469.865, "text": "if you're just basically looking to make housing more unaffordable, more unattainable from more folks, you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38470.825, "end": 38472.605, "text": "you can't be doing this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 38474.285, "end": 38476.525, "text": "I'll leave it at that. Vote no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38478.725, "end": 38482.525, "text": "all right on this uh go to councilor tires to please close on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38483.505, "end": 38485.845, "text": "the amendment as amended" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38486.665, "end": 38489.405, "text": "Okay, a lot to uh unpack there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38490.305, "end": 38500.425, "text": "Oh, I guess first I'll address the claims that I'm being dishonest. I actually brought this amendment forward to administration at the end of March," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38500.645, "end": 38507.485, "text": "where we discussed back and forth what could work, what couldn't, what would potentially happen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38508.005, "end": 38520.845, "text": "Um I was asked today if I was gonna bring it forward. I said, no, you know what, let let's leave this until you know we're focused on zoning in the future. Um, but then I saw how this unfolded." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38522.045, "end": 38531.105, "text": "Um Counselor Johnson was correct. Like we wanted s like Section 4 to be completely out of it. Like this was not what was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38532.045, "end": 38538.085, "text": "this was not what was supposed to be debated. It was not what was supposed to be with the public hearing. Just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38539.405, "end": 38545.505, "text": "I completely disagree with it. But since it's there, well now it's fair game." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38546.485, "end": 38548.005, "text": "Okay. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38548.325, "end": 38555.705, "text": "If you want to call me dishonest for changing my mind after we had a plan, didn't quite work out, I had to pivot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38556.345, "end": 38572.205, "text": "I guess you can call me dishonest. But I did have the intention to bring it forward and to share it with my colleagues. I I had a change of heart, I suppose. And after I had spoken with my colleagues, they agreed that they wanted their communities added to it as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38572.985, "end": 38593.125, "text": "So if you're saying that this is preferential treatment because of the table that was created, if you could actually look at the table and see all those communities and actually say to us that yes, all those communities are pre-1960, it's it's gerrymandered and it's like there there's nothing consistent in that table." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38594.305, "end": 38598.365, "text": "So if you want to add your communities to my amendment, you're absolutely welcome to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38598.705, "end": 38607.505, "text": "There's no preferential treatment here. I invite all of my colleagues to do that. If they have communities on there that they want to add, you are more than welcome." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38608.465, "end": 38609.145, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38611.025, "end": 38643.565, "text": "What we did hear during the public hearing is yes, there were there were parking issues. And during all this time that we've been debating, I've been talking to my community and asking them what they think about parking. Do you like that at 0.5? And the resounding answer is no, we do not. And so here I am trying to make sure that they have parking one to one so at least they can breathe a little bit in the communities that are just suffocating them right now, to be honest. If you guys have ever driven through uh bonass right now, that's the situation. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38644.645, "end": 38648.105, "text": "Those are my reasons for why I'm bringing this forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 38648.645, "end": 38656.525, "text": "And like I was saying, anybody is welcome to put their communities on it. And I hope that you I hope that you support it. Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38657.965, "end": 38662.225, "text": "thank you uh mr clerkless please uh engage the e vote on the amendment as amended" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 38674.385, "end": 38675.525, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38675.905, "end": 38676.145, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 38676.745, "end": 38678.045, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38678.645, "end": 38679.965, "text": "You please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38692.325, "end": 38694.265, "text": "On that, the motion has been defeated" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38694.905, "end": 38695.865, "text": "with uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38696.205, "end": 38699.705, "text": "only councillors Ward, Johnston, Jameson, Tyres," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38700.385, "end": 38702.445, "text": "Chabot, and McLean in favor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38703.185, "end": 38703.665, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38704.925, "end": 38706.465, "text": "Any further amendments?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38710.285, "end": 38712.545, "text": "Oh my gosh. Going once, going twice?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38713.585, "end": 38716.725, "text": "Going three times. All right. I am going to read the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38717.505, "end": 38719.765, "text": "oh my gosh, I gotta find what the bylaws called again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38721.125, "end": 38722.685, "text": "All right, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38726.785, "end": 38728.145, "text": "The moment has come, my friends." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38728.725, "end": 38729.685, "text": "The moment has come." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38731.125, "end": 38732.645, "text": "Second reading" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38735.365, "end": 38736.285, "text": "of bylaw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38738.205, "end": 38742.405, "text": "9p 2026 as amended. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38746.265, "end": 38747.765, "text": "Uh Councilor Yule is opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38747.965, "end": 38750.605, "text": "Counselor Atkinson is opposed, and Councillor Schmidt is opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 38751.885, "end": 38753.025, "text": "Could you like that on the screen?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38752.205, "end": 38752.425, "text": "We" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38753.805, "end": 38755.105, "text": "No, these are just voice." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 38755.285, "end": 38756.585, "text": "uh for the readings of the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38758.385, "end": 38763.265, "text": "Do we have authorization for third reading of bylaw 9P 2026" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38763.765, "end": 38764.565, "text": "as amended?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38765.265, "end": 38766.045, "text": "Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38769.945, "end": 38774.025, "text": "All right, uh hearing none, that uh authorization is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38774.585, "end": 38778.065, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 9P 2026" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38779.205, "end": 38779.865, "text": "as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38780.285, "end": 38782.965, "text": "Anyone opposed? Councillors Atkinson, Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38783.345, "end": 38785.425, "text": "and Yule are opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38785.845, "end": 38787.285, "text": "And that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38789.205, "end": 38790.005, "text": "We have a bylaw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38791.485, "end": 38799.405, "text": "that's been adopted. Congratulations, Council. So we thought the day would never come. All right, at this point, uh, I will look to lights for potential motions arising. Anyone?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38803.645, "end": 38805.305, "text": "Going once, uh going." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38806.205, "end": 38809.125, "text": "I knew it was almost too easy. Counselor Panasopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 38811.985, "end": 38813.445, "text": "after that, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 38813.925, "end": 38815.205, "text": "to be the first. Do you mind bringing up" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 38816.085, "end": 38816.505, "text": "motion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 38827.325, "end": 38829.425, "text": "We're just bringing it up, Mayor. Would it just be a moment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 38831.385, "end": 38834.145, "text": "And I just uh I'll give folks a chance to look at it then." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38839.185, "end": 38840.545, "text": "I'll give you back your five seconds." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 38840.545, "end": 38841.365, "text": "I appreciate it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 38855.165, "end": 38882.945, "text": "Uh this motion arising is designed to provide council with additional data to guide where and how it makes sense to densify where land is available, close to services, transit, infrastructure, and amenities. As we head into our discussion of the Calgary plan in June, one of the most critical decisions this council will make for generations, this motion arising is about collecting data, insights, and analysis as to what the potential could be if we double down and focus density towards, as an example, LAPs, brownfield, surplus land, and um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 38883.645, "end": 38884.965, "text": "Transit oriented development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 38885.525, "end": 38901.925, "text": "Based on the information that we get that this motion arising will provide, we can then transform this data into action through a notice of motion requesting detailed information with respect to what impact would it have to communities if we focus density on nodes and corridors consistent with LAPs and ASPs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 38902.405, "end": 38925.185, "text": "What if is the impact of property taxes with densification across nodes and corridors and transit-oriented developments? What improvements are required to infrastructure in areas where this incremental densification can take place? And what does density look like in each ward on a road-by-road basis if we focused our densification here? With this information and this data coming into June, we then can have the engagement, we can have the dialogue, we can discuss. This is a data" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 38925.585, "end": 38942.785, "text": "search. This motion arising is about data collection, which will guide council as we review and provide our thoughts and guidance on the critically important Calgary plan this June. A document and a strategy that will inform and guide development in Calgary for generations to come and outlast this council. I hope you can support this data collection request. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38944.745, "end": 38948.425, "text": "Alright, uh that's on the table. Do we have a second, please? Uh Councilor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 38949.345, "end": 38951.645, "text": "Uh Councillor Johnston to speak to this, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38952.825, "end": 38959.465, "text": "Yeah, my question is for admin. Um, does any of this data already exist? Do we not already have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38959.865, "end": 38971.625, "text": "locations already set aside? Like I know Anderson Station had been set aside for development a long time ago. Um do you guys believe this will identify anything that hasn't already been identified?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38975.445, "end": 38979.965, "text": "Councillor Johnston, much of this data does exist. I think what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38980.305, "end": 38981.545, "text": "this aims to do" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38981.945, "end": 38984.245, "text": "is use that data to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38984.685, "end": 38987.565, "text": "have an informed discussion about where" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38987.845, "end": 38988.525, "text": "council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38989.025, "end": 38991.225, "text": "Wishes the Calvary plan to go." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38994.225, "end": 38995.305, "text": "And this helps that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 38995.505, "end": 38996.185, "text": "I believe so." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 38996.945, "end": 39000.545, "text": "And this couldn't be done without a motion arising. We couldn't have had this conversation" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39001.205, "end": 39001.605, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39001.965, "end": 39003.425, "text": "information collected" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39003.985, "end": 39006.145, "text": "outside of direction from council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39007.785, "end": 39018.465, "text": "I think this is a little bit more directed or targeted than perhaps what administration was initially considering for the June 16th strategic session." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39019.845, "end": 39020.825, "text": "What part would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39021.345, "end": 39022.545, "text": "More directed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39024.325, "end": 39025.725, "text": "Presenting some of the data" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39026.205, "end": 39028.565, "text": "in a way that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39030.645, "end": 39032.465, "text": "may inform policy changes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39034.325, "end": 39037.745, "text": "Do you can you think of what that data would be that you don't already have?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39039.585, "end": 39040.385, "text": "That this will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39040.765, "end": 39043.045, "text": "direct you to find more data. I just curious if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39043.065, "end": 39051.385, "text": "I think we would use the data that we have. We don't, there isn't sufficient time necessarily to go out and collect more data. We can't do studies. We would need to compile." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39051.805, "end": 39053.645, "text": "existing sources into" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39054.145, "end": 39056.585, "text": "uh information for council to consider." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39056.785, "end": 39059.185, "text": "you have an estimate of how much this will cost." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39060.485, "end": 39060.885, "text": "If anything." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39061.945, "end": 39064.325, "text": "It would be done within our existing budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39064.045, "end": 39064.125, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39064.325, "end": 39064.645, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39068.825, "end": 39069.465, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39071.205, "end": 39073.105, "text": "I think uh Jim Hamilton would like to jump in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39073.105, "end": 39073.285, "text": "Sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39074.865, "end": 39078.125, "text": "Well, uh let's turn off the fun presenter mics. Does that work?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 39079.785, "end": 39081.005, "text": "Oh, there, but there we go." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 39082.105, "end": 39092.785, "text": "So, Counselor Johnston, further to what Director Davies Murphy was saying, um in and in the motion arising, we've pulled from or it's pulling from the notice of motion" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 39093.805, "end": 39098.445, "text": "that was just approved for June 16th. So as Director Davies Murphy said." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 39098.985, "end": 39105.025, "text": "Talking about housing and and where we grow specifically around that is one of the tangible examples." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 39106.045, "end": 39119.865, "text": "So it's it's just bringing this to that discussion. And that's the strategic discussion that we've been talking about, rather than having that here on the floor of this council during this public hearing, is having that during the June 16th strateg session." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39120.245, "end": 39126.085, "text": "Sorry. And I guess I maybe misunderstood the Calgary plan. I just thought the Calgary plan would have included all of this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 39128.305, "end": 39130.285, "text": "So we have a draft Calgary plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 39130.625, "end": 39134.345, "text": "The idea on June 16th is to share that with council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 39134.705, "end": 39139.225, "text": "Show you where we are with respect to engagement," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 39140.985, "end": 39166.645, "text": "get a pulse check from council as to whether or not the Calgary Plan's in the right direction. And then the intent would be if we are, go out and engage in September with the intent of bringing the Calgary plan in January. Given this discussion here in this public hearing, we know this council wants to talk about where we grow, where we put housing, where we increase density. And so this would be one of the tangible examples talking about housing at that session." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39166.805, "end": 39172.645, "text": "Right. And these were all be suggestions from administration. Nothing concrete, nothing that's gonna be written in stone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39173.165, "end": 39174.645, "text": "It'll just be written." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 39174.885, "end": 39186.305, "text": "Councilor Pantozopoulos is asking us to use this as an example of what we're talking about so that we can share with council what policies are in the Calgary plan and how that would show up on the ground." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39186.485, "end": 39189.165, "text": "Okay. So this is fact-finding mission" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39189.445, "end": 39207.045, "text": "presented to council after. So I agree with this. Um I think we should support this going forward. It could be part of the solution on finding better locations for housing, finding more affordable units out there in the right places at the right time. So I agree with this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 39207.705, "end": 39208.105, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39211.485, "end": 39212.845, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Shabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39214.345, "end": 39216.165, "text": "I think it's pretty much been" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39216.405, "end": 39220.265, "text": "asked and answered. You can do it within existing resources." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39220.405, "end": 39224.565, "text": "It does not require anything that's inconsequential in nature." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39226.845, "end": 39230.885, "text": "Motion arising, because that's sort of the criteria, right? Under $2,000," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39231.225, "end": 39231.685, "text": "et cetera." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 39231.965, "end": 39232.565, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39232.965, "end": 39234.445, "text": "Okay, thanks. No further question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 39235.345, "end": 39236.205, "text": "Council Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 39237.165, "end": 39265.425, "text": "Yeah, I I can get behind this. I think it makes a ton of sense. The only one bit that I I just want to outline for us all here is that um this will not negate the need for local area planning. It supplements that uh uh from this side. So um I hopefully if any of the public are are are listening to this, this is not in any way, and feel free, Councillor Pantasopas, to the chair to speak to this in your close. Um this is not in any way meant to um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 39266.465, "end": 39296.765, "text": "Supplant public input. This is about using if if public input and local area planning is all about local expertise, this is about civic expertise so that we have all that data, we have that knowledge, and then as we come forward to that June meeting, we can be a lot more uh thoughtful about uh what it is that we uh we may plan to do as we move towards uh the budget and the uh eventual passing of the items within the city building program. So yeah, happy to support this. Thank you very much for bringing it forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39300.545, "end": 39302.585, "text": "All right, back to Councilor Panasopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 39303.145, "end": 39316.705, "text": "So much. One of the last speakers we had was a gentleman that spoke about Planet Calgary, a report in 2009. I think actually somebody administration mentioned how it was an upgrade in 2020. And the word in there, a couple lines that said very clearly" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 39317.625, "end": 39319.565, "text": "that, to quote it," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 39320.245, "end": 39321.365, "text": "this was in 2009." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 39321.945, "end": 39339.985, "text": "And the reason we need this data now and make a decision are we going to do it or not? And I quote the 2009. Most of the redevelopment is contained in mixed use higher density nodes and corridors located in strategic areas throughout the city. These nodes and corridors are linked through more comprehensive primary transit networks. In 2009, the will of council was let's investigate it and develop it. We never executed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 39340.605, "end": 39350.285, "text": "Questions asked about development, we didn't execute. This is what we want to do. 2009, we wanted to do it. This is our chance. We get the data, we do the analysis, we make no notice of motions" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 39351.225, "end": 39367.785, "text": "to instruct administration coming into the January, February, March, as we look at the bylaw. It's getting that data to understand and quantify where exactly we can build what we have. You've heard me talk about Ward 6 about donut holes. This is finding the donut hole in every single community in Calgary. Where can we build? What makes sense? Where is the infrastructure?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 39368.285, "end": 39376.645, "text": "A council of prior 2009 wanted the same. A council in 2020 said the same. I hope the council in 2026 can say the same as well. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39380.065, "end": 39381.965, "text": "All right, let's engage the vote, please, Mr. Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 39404.225, "end": 39405.305, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39405.425, "end": 39405.725, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 39406.165, "end": 39408.085, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39409.205, "end": 39410.565, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39413.985, "end": 39416.385, "text": "And that motion is carried unanimously, 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39417.045, "end": 39419.985, "text": "Uh while I'm with you, Councilor Pandasopoulos, any other motions rising?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39421.025, "end": 39422.485, "text": "All right, uh, Councilor Shabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39423.585, "end": 39425.245, "text": "Yeah, I think I mentioned" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39425.805, "end": 39427.685, "text": "um this morning when I did my" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39428.205, "end": 39429.385, "text": "was it this morning or this afternoon?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39429.605, "end": 39435.545, "text": "When I did my emotions that I was going to do emotions arising, and believe Councilor Atkinson's prepared to support" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39436.065, "end": 39438.505, "text": "it. It uh basically looks at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39438.925, "end": 39444.545, "text": "modeling some of the recommendations in the amendments that Councilor Wynus had put forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39444.705, "end": 39458.345, "text": "Uh to then create a report to report back on whether or not any of those things can be applied. I think it can be more proactive on at least one of them, and specifically in regards to the density modifier, I believe is the one that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39458.585, "end": 39462.585, "text": "we're looking at modeling out as to whether or not the administration or the industry" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39464.025, "end": 39465.165, "text": "can make it work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39465.525, "end": 39467.825, "text": "But all of the amendments that are being proposed" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39469.065, "end": 39471.905, "text": "that did not get included in my amendment," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39473.345, "end": 39476.005, "text": "the motion arising, which I believe clerks has." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39476.585, "end": 39477.965, "text": "Is intended to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39478.565, "end": 39481.785, "text": "to direct administration to undertake uh some investigations on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39482.445, "end": 39484.565, "text": "on modeling out some of those recommendations. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39486.105, "end": 39488.685, "text": "testing engagement through zoning bylaw project," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39490.185, "end": 39494.505, "text": "uh remaining RCG rules, as mentioned, A through J as well as L, which is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39494.845, "end": 39497.245, "text": "which is the front yard setback, which" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39497.625, "end": 39501.145, "text": "I thought maybe should have been incorporated into my amendments to start with, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39501.565, "end": 39506.325, "text": "at least uh looking at how and whether or not to reapply that back into the rules." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39506.985, "end": 39510.245, "text": "Uh and to report back uh on the July 21st public hearing on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39510.885, "end": 39512.385, "text": "on whether or not those work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39512.725, "end": 39513.445, "text": "And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39513.905, "end": 39515.965, "text": "hopefully council can get behind this so that we can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39516.285, "end": 39517.905, "text": "look at whether or not we should implement it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39519.105, "end": 39521.865, "text": "or at least have the opportunity to uh do a gut check on them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39526.165, "end": 39527.465, "text": "All right, uh, do we have a seconder?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39527.825, "end": 39528.945, "text": "Second by Councilor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39531.225, "end": 39532.565, "text": "Trying to address any issues in my close" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39535.065, "end": 39537.545, "text": "All right, seeing uh no discussion, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39537.725, "end": 39538.765, "text": "back to you, Councilor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39539.725, "end": 39539.985, "text": "closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39541.285, "end": 39543.585, "text": "Mr. Kirk, let's uh please engage the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 39562.645, "end": 39563.905, "text": "Councillor Jameson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 39564.265, "end": 39565.965, "text": "Oh thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39566.925, "end": 39567.365, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 39567.765, "end": 39568.725, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39569.165, "end": 39570.885, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39579.545, "end": 39581.345, "text": "And that motion is carried 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39581.785, "end": 39585.625, "text": "So we got amendments for amendments, and we got motions arising for emotions arising. Back to you, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39586.405, "end": 39587.165, "text": "Councilor Shabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39589.025, "end": 39591.125, "text": "This other one is one that we discussed today" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39591.605, "end": 39594.725, "text": "uh in regards to what happens if somebody appeals their" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39595.165, "end": 39596.145, "text": "their application" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39596.525, "end": 39599.885, "text": "um or appeals an application to the SDAB." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39600.745, "end": 39614.845, "text": "And whether or not, if it gets overturned, what happens with the land use? And so if it gets overturned the way it's currently structured, it would still retain its RCG designation. This is to give an administration direction to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39615.185, "end": 39617.485, "text": "revert the land use" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39617.665, "end": 39619.725, "text": "back to what it was prior to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39619.985, "end": 39623.545, "text": "August 2024. In other words, essentially." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39624.085, "end": 39639.425, "text": "In alignment with the current bylaw, now that we've uh given it three readings, uh, but it is referring it back to that, but with an end date. Uh Q4, or sorry, the 4th of August. Uh if your uh appeal has not been concluded, then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39640.305, "end": 39641.025, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39641.445, "end": 39647.205, "text": "you know what, it's uh you're you're out of luck. It's gonna retain its its designation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39647.365, "end": 39650.665, "text": "So anything it can be concluded prior to August 4th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39650.825, "end": 39654.565, "text": "Uh if it gets overturned, then it would resort back to RC1. Otherwise," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39654.805, "end": 39656.365, "text": "it retains its RCGK." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39656.925, "end": 39667.405, "text": "We have to have an end date. The reason that August 4th was picked in the first place for implementation is because we expected that most applications would have been concluded, including the appeals at SDAB." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39667.785, "end": 39670.865, "text": "That may not be the case, but we can't control that. We can't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39671.205, "end": 39675.265, "text": "continue on in perpetuity, and that's why I put Q4 or sorry," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39675.745, "end": 39684.145, "text": "uh August the 4th to be brought back Q4 2026 with those amendments to make those land use changes for any of those that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39684.505, "end": 39687.025, "text": "were successful in their appeal at SDAB." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39687.645, "end": 39688.065, "text": "So I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39688.425, "end": 39689.225, "text": "not sure if I got it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39689.505, "end": 39690.485, "text": "Second or for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39691.025, "end": 39692.585, "text": "Councilman. Sorry. Counselor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39694.965, "end": 39695.845, "text": "Hi, Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39696.365, "end": 39697.165, "text": "As seconded that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39697.165, "end": 39699.085, "text": "Thanks. That's it for me for my open." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39699.905, "end": 39700.665, "text": "Anyone else on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 39701.305, "end": 39729.185, "text": "Yeah, if I could just jump in real quick. Yeah, this has to be done. This is uh we heard from a few folks um both here and then in my office as well via via email and phone call that um we need to put an end to this at some at some point. And uh SDAB is kind of this nebulous bit in terms of it. Uh just a question for uh administration, because I know we were talking about this earlier on, that we may need to do this a couple of times to catch them all up. Can you maybe just speak to that a little bit for us?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 39733.585, "end": 39736.845, "text": "Only need to bring this back one more additional time. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 39737.525, "end": 39757.105, "text": "once August 4th, 2026 has elapsed, administration will prepare an amendment to respond to this motion for the successful overturns at the board. It does require another public hearing, but just for those ones to be reverted back to what is, I guess, now part of the repeal that's been approved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 39757.745, "end": 39762.505, "text": "Perfect. That feels like a pretty simple response. So appreciate you bringing this forward, Councillor Shabill." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 39763.785, "end": 39765.085, "text": "All right, Counselor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 39766.245, "end": 39772.285, "text": "Is there any concern from administration that this will cause uh a rush on SDAB?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 39776.725, "end": 39790.585, "text": "I can't speak on behalf of the board or on their procedures or how they uh decide to run things. What I do know is that as I had mentioned this morning during questions of administration, the board is already booking into" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 39791.385, "end": 39794.385, "text": "some merit hearings into August already." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 39794.565, "end": 39814.705, "text": "So any rush uh that occurs uh is outside of administration's control. Um what I can say is that we are actively working with the board to make sure that the development authority is available to support them in any way we can to make sure that they're running as efficiently as they can. But we have no control over their timelines." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 39814.705, "end": 39816.505, "text": "So largely this would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 39817.145, "end": 39833.665, "text": "basically be only applications that are currently already filed with SDAB. Like there's if someone filed an SDAB uh appeal tomorrow, it likely is not falling within the timeline that um that this would cover." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 39834.725, "end": 39848.525, "text": "Short of any decisions in terms of their operations, which is again completely outside of administration's control, say, for example, they decide to increase capacity in terms of the number of meetings, then generally that statement is correct, but I can't guarantee anything." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 39848.745, "end": 39850.345, "text": "Okay. Okay, thank you. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39855.405, "end": 39855.925, "text": "Anyone else?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39857.845, "end": 39858.905, "text": "Alright, Councilor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39860.985, "end": 39862.045, "text": "Yeah, no, it's um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39862.185, "end": 39871.805, "text": "the reason I put an end date on it is because I didn't want this to happen. Actually, for folks to come up with a rash of of applications to appeal it, just to delay it, to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39872.085, "end": 39872.865, "text": "to then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39873.045, "end": 39874.925, "text": "potentially have it overturned." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39875.185, "end": 39877.045, "text": "This is a very finite timeline." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39877.405, "end": 39878.165, "text": "Um, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39878.625, "end": 39879.485, "text": "I think it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39880.045, "end": 39881.065, "text": "it's pretty reasonable and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 39881.425, "end": 39882.165, "text": "hope you can support it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39889.105, "end": 39891.485, "text": "Alright, uh, Mr. Clark, let's please engage the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 39907.785, "end": 39909.425, "text": "On the motion arising, Councillor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 39911.525, "end": 39913.525, "text": "On the motion arising, Councillor Tyres, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 39913.945, "end": 39914.505, "text": "Oh, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 39914.845, "end": 39916.245, "text": "And Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39917.145, "end": 39917.445, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 39918.565, "end": 39919.625, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39921.305, "end": 39922.825, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39926.045, "end": 39928.685, "text": "On that, the motion is carried unanimously. 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 39929.805, "end": 39932.665, "text": "Uh Councillor Schmidt, please. On motion's rise." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 39933.265, "end": 39937.445, "text": "Yes, the sequel to Backyard Suites. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 39937.645, "end": 39952.125, "text": "this is a motion arising because it would require a public hearing when we return on July 21st. Uh, given that the first one did not pass, I think this takes on a slightly different." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 39952.785, "end": 39958.505, "text": "Effect and gravity, but it's split into two separate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 39959.685, "end": 39986.485, "text": "uh parts here with the intention that if this is approved following the public hearing on July 21st, they could be voted on separately if there's an issue with one or the other. Uh but essentially what it does is changes the use of secondary suites and backyard suites for low density residential districts. So again, singles and semis to make them permitted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 39987.485, "end": 39991.305, "text": "Going back to what we heard during the public hearing, that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 39991.865, "end": 39998.325, "text": "there's a lot of prohibited aspects for individual homeowners when it comes to their ability" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 39998.685, "end": 40000.365, "text": "to add on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 40001.185, "end": 40005.685, "text": "these types of amenities to their own properties. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 40007.025, "end": 40008.445, "text": "all this would simply do" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 40009.485, "end": 40015.905, "text": "is say, yes, we can have a public hearing on this to make them permitted uses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 40017.245, "end": 40022.225, "text": "And then we would hear from the public around whether or not they're comfortable with that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 40023.145, "end": 40037.225, "text": "If uh if we don't want to go through that process, fair enough. But this is not happening today. This is a suggestion to be added to the public hearing that has to happen on July 21st, regardless. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 40038.445, "end": 40049.705, "text": "would hope there's potentially some support on this again. If you're fine with one and not the other, that's why the motion was written this way, because you can vote on each of them separately." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 40053.545, "end": 40055.025, "text": "And sorry, to be clear," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 40055.245, "end": 40061.525, "text": "when it comes to the public hearing, for now we're voting on sending both" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 40062.025, "end": 40068.525, "text": "to the public hearing, but at the public hearing the motion is written in such a way that they can be voted on separately." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40070.465, "end": 40072.705, "text": "Alright, I'm gonna say that seconded by Council Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40073.965, "end": 40079.125, "text": "Alright, uh, just for clarity on my purposes, uh, does this require advertising for another citywide" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40079.965, "end": 40080.745, "text": "uh public hearing?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 40082.205, "end": 40082.745, "text": "Yes, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40084.505, "end": 40087.965, "text": "So to further clarify, there'd be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40089.645, "end": 40094.445, "text": "Right away from this we'd get uh to advertising that uh sending letters" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40095.185, "end": 40097.985, "text": "approximately how many uh parcels would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40098.845, "end": 40101.105, "text": "impacted or how many affected landowners." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40103.825, "end": 40110.285, "text": "Mayor this is a general rule change and so it's not changes to specific parcels." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40110.445, "end": 40114.865, "text": "So letters would not be sent to individual parcel like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40115.145, "end": 40118.325, "text": "residents. This would be general advertising" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40119.005, "end": 40122.385, "text": "not notification to homeowners. But general advertising" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40122.385, "end": 40127.565, "text": "It's it's just uh a change to what's allowable within the existing use and it's not a change of use." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40127.705, "end": 40128.165, "text": "That is correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40128.165, "end": 40128.885, "text": "And the the ru" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40129.205, "end": 40130.625, "text": "you have a sense of why" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40131.165, "end": 40132.725, "text": "one would require the other," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40133.205, "end": 40137.105, "text": "or why why why this wouldn't necessarily have the same type of notice provision?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40137.225, "end": 40138.605, "text": "I'll ask Mr. Lee to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40138.825, "end": 40139.865, "text": "answer that, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 40147.025, "end": 40151.845, "text": "So that um council just passed. The right the reason is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 40152.485, "end": 40156.745, "text": "uh notification letters are only sent for redesignations," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 40157.105, "end": 40183.925, "text": "uh land use redesignations, and this is also a function of why uh administration I recommended the passing of the electronic notification bylaw because more than 500 parcels were affected by the repeal. Um this is just a general amendment to the zoning bylaw or to the land use bylaw, and so it does not require um the let letters that would be sent when a specific parcel is being affected by a redesignation or getting a new district or new zone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 40184.785, "end": 40187.965, "text": "So it's the notification requirements are different. I can't provide" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 40188.465, "end": 40198.685, "text": "the philosophical reasons for that. That's just our our own requirements through our notification bylaw as well as the MGA requirements pertaining to land use redesignations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40199.205, "end": 40202.645, "text": "Can you give me a sense of how you would promote this or otherwise engage" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40203.365, "end": 40205.365, "text": "uh the public to know that this was going on?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40208.705, "end": 40215.305, "text": "So we would advertise this through our regular channels and on Calgary.ca" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40216.065, "end": 40221.565, "text": "through the Federation of Calgary Communities, and they would distribute that to their members." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40222.025, "end": 40223.385, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40224.585, "end": 40229.905, "text": "that those would be our typical channels. If Council wishes us to do a more broad" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40230.385, "end": 40233.405, "text": "advertisement, we certainly could do that as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40233.965, "end": 40237.525, "text": "And do you have a sense of the cost? Like I I know that motions arising are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40238.225, "end": 40240.105, "text": "we have somewhat of a limit" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40240.725, "end": 40242.845, "text": "in terms of what's allowable for that and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40243.925, "end": 40245.585, "text": "is it gonna be under is it I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40246.005, "end": 40249.345, "text": "Mr. Clerk, I believe it was twenty five hundred or that may have been the amount" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40249.705, "end": 40252.545, "text": "prior to adjustment of inflation when I was around the last time?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 40253.045, "end": 40259.085, "text": "For motions arising, the uh test in the procedure bylaw is just that the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 40260.505, "end": 40264.925, "text": "the required administrative effort to respond to the motion arising is inconsequential. That's set out in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 40265.165, "end": 40273.645, "text": "section 119 sub two of the procedure bylaw for the amount of money you may be thinking of administrative inquiries which have a monitoring amount associated with them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40275.045, "end": 40280.745, "text": "Yeah, colleagues, I'm I uh I I to be clear, I did vote for the the previous one, but I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40281.245, "end": 40288.405, "text": "I'm challenged with the prospect that we're going to spend an inconsequential amount of effort to let Calgaryans know about a relatively broad" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40289.105, "end": 40289.485, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40289.745, "end": 40291.265, "text": "change. So my" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40292.105, "end": 40306.085, "text": "preference here will would be to go through uh this with a notice motion and have some type of engagement or budget associated with letting Calgarians know about this so that again to the point about largely why we're here with repeal in the first place was to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40306.585, "end": 40312.725, "text": "try to help build and restore trust, kind of cultivate the confidence and the governance and the decisions that we're making and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40312.885, "end": 40317.425, "text": "Um, I certainly, um, based on what I heard through the public hearing, would not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40318.025, "end": 40324.825, "text": "be that challenged to to support uh suites and back or the basement suites and the backyard suites at the same time. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40325.205, "end": 40328.145, "text": "I'm not sure that this is the way to go about it because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40328.745, "end": 40337.185, "text": "based on the rules, uh administration is gonna spend only an inconsequential amount of effort and resources to let Calgaryans know about a major change. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40337.785, "end": 40340.645, "text": "I think the confidence in us is somewhat bruised at this point." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 40340.645, "end": 40341.285, "text": "About uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40341.705, "end": 40345.005, "text": "Any type of thing that could be characterized as mass rezoning. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40345.745, "end": 40346.645, "text": "A little bit of cost." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40346.645, "end": 40348.485, "text": "caution on my end. Yeah, sorry, please go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40348.485, "end": 40354.485, "text": "If I may, um we will be undertaking advertising for the July 21st public hearing already." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40354.885, "end": 40356.965, "text": "And so this could be added into that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40357.425, "end": 40357.985, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40358.525, "end": 40359.125, "text": "effort" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40360.065, "end": 40367.245, "text": "as another line item, just in in terms of the cost. It wouldn't be additional cost from what we're already doing to advertise that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40367.805, "end": 40369.705, "text": "uh those proposed bylaw changes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40370.105, "end": 40375.405, "text": "Okay, so that's my thought. I'm open to persuasion on this one. So uh lots of lights here. Councilor Clark, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 40376.425, "end": 40396.485, "text": "Thank you. Yes, I also obviously seconded the first iteration of this and uh I'm happy to support it again. When I think about every single one of the communities in Ward 9 and all the conversations that have been had that led me to voting to repeal blank rezoning this afternoon, every one of these communities uh would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 40397.205, "end": 40427.605, "text": "benefit from this type of housing strategy, this would be an appropriate next step. It's not a three-step leap into the future of redevelopment in these communities. This is a natural next step that we should at least explore. So I'm very glad to support it and see, you know, I mean, and yes, great, we've we've repealed, but for goodness sakes, be brave. This is a conversation to be had at a later date, as we've said over and over and over again. So meet us in that. Agree to have that conversation at a later date. That's the request. Thank you. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40429.145, "end": 40430.445, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40432.485, "end": 40435.045, "text": "I'm a bit confused about this motion because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40435.585, "end": 40441.425, "text": "I thought in my absence that council had voted to make secondary basement suites as permitted use" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40441.885, "end": 40444.225, "text": "in all low density residential districts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40446.925, "end": 40451.505, "text": "I believe the 2018 notice of motion was discretionary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40453.045, "end": 40453.805, "text": "Basement suites." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40454.505, "end": 40455.305, "text": "Discretionary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40457.605, "end": 40458.385, "text": "But citywide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40458.485, "end": 40462.545, "text": "The question is is are are secondary suites permitted or discretionary across the city?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40462.785, "end": 40464.405, "text": "Basement suites specifically." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40464.645, "end": 40465.965, "text": "It varies across districts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40466.565, "end": 40471.525, "text": "So in RC2, for example, a basement suite is a permitted use. In RC1, it's discretionary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40471.985, "end": 40472.325, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40472.985, "end": 40477.385, "text": "So this is to bring RC1s in alignment with RC2s" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40477.505, "end": 40486.105, "text": "I would say this motion would create alignment across the entire city in terms of secondary suites and backyard suites being a permitted use." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40486.445, "end": 40490.785, "text": "in low density residential, whether it's RC one or RC2 or R1 or R2." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40491.565, "end": 40492.005, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40492.505, "end": 40495.405, "text": "But currently RC2 is listed as permitted for basement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40496.205, "end": 40498.645, "text": "Correct, and a backyard suite is discretionary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40498.905, "end": 40504.965, "text": "Yeah, in all land uses. This is not to add and though. This is still looking at or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40505.205, "end": 40507.505, "text": "but going from discretionary to permitted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40507.725, "end": 40508.125, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40508.405, "end": 40509.225, "text": "Okay, thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40509.365, "end": 40510.545, "text": "I just wanted clarity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 40511.625, "end": 40512.085, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40513.265, "end": 40514.285, "text": "Thank you, Counselor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 40519.085, "end": 40520.385, "text": "Permitted use," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 40520.705, "end": 40523.925, "text": "just to clarify, would eliminate the need for public hearing, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 40525.445, "end": 40525.725, "text": "No?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40527.765, "end": 40537.385, "text": "Sorry, in terms of uh like on on an application basis for a secondary suite or this change, like the motion that we're that we're discussing?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 40537.665, "end": 40540.425, "text": "beyond case by case, the permitted use." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40540.425, "end": 40547.425, "text": "So this this motion is looking at development permits and the requirement for one and those would not be before council. No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 40554.485, "end": 40556.405, "text": "Yeah. Okay. Thank you for that. That's it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40557.065, "end": 40558.185, "text": "Thanks, Councillor McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40559.125, "end": 40560.285, "text": "Oh thanks, Mayor. Just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40560.605, "end": 40562.005, "text": "I was thinking the same thing," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40562.245, "end": 40565.985, "text": "Councillor Chabot, that I thought this is pretty prevalently wild w widespread" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40566.865, "end": 40568.165, "text": "R R one, R2" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40568.945, "end": 40569.725, "text": "are permitted" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40569.925, "end": 40572.085, "text": "to have a basement suite or backyard suite." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40573.705, "end": 40576.805, "text": "So just to make sure everybody is clear on the per on permitted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40578.145, "end": 40583.425, "text": "I mean anybody's d nothing's prohibiting anybody from a f to putting forth a um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40584.645, "end": 40586.885, "text": "asking for a development permit for a basement suite" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40587.585, "end": 40588.125, "text": "right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40590.805, "end": 40592.445, "text": "Sorry, Counselor, could you could you repeat that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40592.485, "end": 40595.865, "text": "Yeah, if you're you're in a single family dwelling and you wanted a basement suite that that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40596.405, "end": 40598.945, "text": "that's allowed but you it's permitted so they just have to go" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40598.945, "end": 40599.985, "text": "Based on your district," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40600.065, "end": 40600.345, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40600.345, "end": 40601.365, "text": "it may be permitted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40601.365, "end": 40601.905, "text": "So the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40602.165, "end": 40606.525, "text": "what I'm saying and what I think is most places can already most homes can already" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40606.525, "end": 40607.505, "text": "One way or the other, correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40607.505, "end": 40608.665, "text": "one way or the other they can get this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40609.325, "end": 40612.225, "text": "Just by making it like counselor, like the mayor suggested," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40613.005, "end": 40618.725, "text": "blanketed because in the past you used to put a newspaper, it means the newspaper, or they'd put it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40619.145, "end": 40625.085, "text": "On the TV or there's so many different ways of advertising, but now if it goes on the internet, even a lot of that doesn't capture everybody." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40625.345, "end": 40628.185, "text": "Or you put it on our city web page, that doesn't seem to capture everybody." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40629.425, "end": 40631.665, "text": "I think what this this is attempting to do" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40632.605, "end": 40641.845, "text": "is kind of a blanket change that people will maybe think, why are you doing this now? Because if you really want to get yourself a basement suite, it isn't that hard. I think we're we're allowing that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40642.665, "end": 40646.405, "text": "If this makes it sound like this something that, again, if we're not we're gonna make a bro." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40646.665, "end": 40648.245, "text": "Brought wholesale change without" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40648.945, "end": 40650.825, "text": "really engaging the public on it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40651.945, "end": 40652.885, "text": "I think that's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40653.225, "end": 40657.605, "text": "better suited for a notice of motion, our future council date, not as a motion arising onto" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40658.105, "end": 40661.625, "text": "what we're doing right now. Because again, it seems more like a blanket approach that something" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40661.765, "end": 40664.005, "text": "trying to start something that's not really even a problem" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40664.425, "end": 40666.445, "text": "that could be perceived as us trying to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40667.465, "end": 40670.365, "text": "add a bunch of density on MA instead of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40670.965, "end": 40672.405, "text": "doing it through the proper channels. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40672.805, "end": 40674.125, "text": "now that I'm against basement suites," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40674.425, "end": 40676.725, "text": "but again, you can still apply to get one or a backyard suite." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 40677.065, "end": 40679.025, "text": "But just for th for those reasons I'm gonna vote no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40681.785, "end": 40683.505, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Benizopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40685.065, "end": 40686.925, "text": "We're kind of the top for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40687.305, "end": 40687.845, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40689.925, "end": 40693.185, "text": "debt land use, like you know, the R1, et cetera. What is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40694.165, "end": 40697.305, "text": "when is it permitted and when is it um discretionary?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40701.865, "end": 40703.845, "text": "So in in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40705.025, "end": 40711.905, "text": "simplest terms, RC1, R1, R1N, if you see that one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40712.805, "end": 40725.825, "text": "suffix, I suppose it is, secondary suite, backyard suite are discretionary. If you see that two suffix, so R2, R2, secondary suite is a permitted use, and then backyard suite, of course, is discretionary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40726.405, "end": 40733.625, "text": "And fundamentally it would still be whether it's permitted or discretionary to be advertised on DMAP, not advertised, but placed on DMAP or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40734.745, "end": 40737.145, "text": "I'm just thinking what what notice to the neighbor," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40737.545, "end": 40738.965, "text": "a permitted versus discretionary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 40738.965, "end": 40758.065, "text": "Uh well if it's a if it's a permitted use secondary suite uh those have been exempt um from a development permit since I think twenty eighteen and those proceed directly to uh building permit. Uh in the case of of a backyard suite that would require a discretionary development permit and I believe that would appear on on DMAP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 40759.665, "end": 40786.205, "text": "It would appear on DEMA. So permitted, permitted use, anything that is a permitted use. If it meets all of the rules, it is it must go to approval. It's similar to what the province was saying on the automatic yes. Permitted use is that automatic yes. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40786.345, "end": 40792.025, "text": "Follow the rules. Uh maybe just picking up from the mayor's the the advertising uh for the July 21st," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40792.505, "end": 40793.145, "text": "um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40794.945, "end": 40811.065, "text": "and if we piggybacked off that, which I think it did, what what advertising, maybe I you know, told the mayor it was sort of s nominal, but you seem to imply it was a little more, like so if it was sort of an to use the word and or or if we and on the 21st, what it what notice would be provided to Calgarians for that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40812.965, "end": 40821.925, "text": "So the advertising, there's a difference between notification and advertising. Notification is when your individual parcel is being" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40822.605, "end": 40823.485, "text": "Changed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40824.145, "end": 40828.005, "text": "And so that is a notification to the landowner." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40828.325, "end": 40829.565, "text": "Advertising" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40829.985, "end": 40833.965, "text": "is simply that we advertise that there is a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40834.385, "end": 40835.765, "text": "bylaw amendment," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40836.305, "end": 40838.765, "text": "and with that is typically done on Calvary.ca." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 40840.245, "end": 40848.745, "text": "And we have timing of how far in advance of the public hearing those advertisements are posted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 40851.445, "end": 40883.105, "text": "Yeah, I think just it it it my thoughts, hey, I I said earlier, I think when there was the 8-7 vote, uh, I you know, I support this, not right now. This allows us some time. This allows us to debate it and discuss it at the public hearing, hear from Calgarians, and get a perspective and gives us three, four months. Um that's why it's the notice arising. So I'm going to support this because it gets us some information, allows us to engage with Calgarians, and we come on the 21st. If we like it, great. If we don't, then uh we we vote it down. So uh I'll be supporting this. Thank you. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40885.825, "end": 40887.225, "text": "All right, Counselor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 40888.485, "end": 40915.545, "text": "Uh yeah, we just heard through the public hearing the cost that is associated potentially with any application. The paper house, as which was talked about many times, and and ways that we can increase affordability. I think uh we should be looking at those things. This is not a vote right now to make this happen. This is a vote to hear from Calgarians and to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 40916.445, "end": 40939.545, "text": "To then make a decision on July 21st whether or not this should go forward. So what you're voting on today is just should we hear from Calgarians about their desire to maybe have this as a permitted use? And I think when we just took 68% of our land supply and turned it into stuff that now requires" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 40939.945, "end": 40963.005, "text": "an application instead of it being permitted use, I think it is definitely on this council to be at least exploring this. Whether or not you decide for it in the end, that's going to be based on what you hear. But I think to not pursue this and actually open this up to the public to sort of have that discussion, it's not the right thing to do after what we just did with repeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 40965.165, "end": 40966.305, "text": "All right, Councilor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 40968.925, "end": 40972.605, "text": "Uh I like I don't know how I actually feel about this. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 40973.165, "end": 40987.805, "text": "but that's what a public hearing's for. Like, let's hear what people have to say about it. Uh we've just been through uh a pretty long public hearing uh here on this, and I definitely saw the value in it and appreciated everybody coming and sharing their thoughts on it. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 40988.985, "end": 40998.405, "text": "Hearing from Calgarians on an issue that's not gonna cost us anything to hear them, I mean, this seems like a no brainer to me. Sounds good. Let's do it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41003.445, "end": 41007.345, "text": "I'll uh just insert for debate. Yeah, I'm uh happy to support this. I think we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41007.685, "end": 41011.225, "text": "this is an idea to your point, Counselor Atkinson, that we we heard for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41011.965, "end": 41021.285, "text": "uh the valuable for future exploration. So, you know, this is a vote to hear from folks. Uh we're amenable to persuasion, we're not locked into making this change, uh, we're doing this the proper way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41022.005, "end": 41026.505, "text": "And then certainly I'd like to see uh obviously can't volunteer y'all to do it, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41026.885, "end": 41028.245, "text": "uh certainly if we're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41028.525, "end": 41034.225, "text": "as individual council members, I think we can augment the awareness around this as an issue and let people know that uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41034.685, "end": 41038.525, "text": "It's going on even if there may not be an envelope in everybody's mailboxes. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41038.865, "end": 41043.125, "text": "certainly when I look at say even like secondary suites as a permitted use, you know, like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41043.665, "end": 41050.345, "text": "zero bearing on impact on neighbors generally, what what happens inside your house and the fact that we're still" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41050.805, "end": 41056.445, "text": "uh potentially in a realm where we're micromanaging those things. Of course, I'm open to persuasion, but I think it's kind of wild to me that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41056.945, "end": 41064.465, "text": "a really inva uh really non invasive types of housing can be provided uh as secondary suites. I'm a little bit" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41064.965, "end": 41068.765, "text": "More reluctant on the backyard suites because then you're getting into" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41069.165, "end": 41073.625, "text": "uh sight lines, you're getting into shadowing, massing, other potential external impacts. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41074.005, "end": 41080.065, "text": "certainly I'd be very happy to hear from Calgaryans on on at least the secondary suites being a permitted use." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41080.805, "end": 41086.725, "text": "Um so again, I just similar to the points previously, I see this as just continuing to hear from Calgaryans, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41087.165, "end": 41091.405, "text": "we proved the value of this uh the previous three weeks in terms of the public hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41091.865, "end": 41097.985, "text": "Continue to want to hear from Calgaryans on what their ideas may be. So happy to support that and over to Councilor Schmidt to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41099.505, "end": 41105.145, "text": "Thank you. And yes, the intention here was to tie it to the July public hearing, which is already happening." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41105.705, "end": 41106.445, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41107.265, "end": 41107.865, "text": "by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41109.185, "end": 41112.705, "text": "proposing to switch to permitted use, we're removing red tape." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41113.885, "end": 41123.645, "text": "Even even today, we've heard debate around making it easier to build, making it faster to build when it comes to the permitting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41124.105, "end": 41124.865, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41125.865, "end": 41129.685, "text": "the parts of development that happen outside of land use. So," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41130.105, "end": 41140.545, "text": "what better way to do that than permitted use? Permitted use removes red tape. You follow the rules, it gets built. You don't follow the rules, it doesn't get built." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41141.145, "end": 41144.485, "text": "Doesn't get much more clear than that. And especially again" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41145.105, "end": 41146.345, "text": "when we're discussing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41147.125, "end": 41148.925, "text": "a type of use that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41149.625, "end": 41154.545, "text": "benefits people who already live in the home and is happening within" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41155.765, "end": 41160.265, "text": "their yard that's not changing the land use. All it's doing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41160.845, "end": 41164.245, "text": "is it's making it much more clear for them" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41165.205, "end": 41171.265, "text": "and for all Calgarians because the rules are the rules. And you follow them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41172.285, "end": 41178.545, "text": "And it gets done. You don't follow them, it doesn't get done. Red tape removed, clarity," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41178.765, "end": 41179.405, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41180.785, "end": 41189.265, "text": "removes prohibitive costs from people who just want to add a basement suite or a backyard suite." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41189.625, "end": 41190.265, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41190.625, "end": 41198.785, "text": "we'll hear from Calgarians in July if this happens, but it's not changing the way that we can do these things, it's just changing what happens" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 41199.325, "end": 41200.505, "text": "behind the scenes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41203.705, "end": 41206.105, "text": "Alright, uh, let's engage the e-vote, please, Mr. Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 41227.125, "end": 41229.825, "text": "Mayor Farkas oh thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41230.425, "end": 41231.785, "text": "Can you please display the results?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41234.925, "end": 41238.065, "text": "On that, the motion is carried with counselors Johnston, McLean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41238.645, "end": 41241.005, "text": "Chabot, Tyres, and Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41241.425, "end": 41241.865, "text": "Opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41244.085, "end": 41245.905, "text": "Anything else from you, Councillor Schmidt?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41248.285, "end": 41249.685, "text": "Any other motions arising?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41252.645, "end": 41256.705, "text": "All right. I believe that uh we're nearing the end," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41258.165, "end": 41258.805, "text": "proverbally." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41260.465, "end": 41263.365, "text": "Uh Mr. Clerk, are there any any administrative inquiries?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41265.685, "end": 41266.725, "text": "Alright, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41267.605, "end": 41268.505, "text": "I thought the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41269.745, "end": 41270.565, "text": "Sorry, Councillor Ward?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 41271.505, "end": 41275.085, "text": "I just wanted to acknowledge the clerks team for tolerating this for so many days. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41275.085, "end": 41276.145, "text": "Yes, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41276.605, "end": 41282.405, "text": "Please rise and acknowledge uh our amazing colleagues in city administration and city clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41286.005, "end": 41288.385, "text": "And could we get a shout out to Dave and George too?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41288.685, "end": 41290.445, "text": "Thank you so much for the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41293.325, "end": 41311.065, "text": "for the for the folks behind the screens. And uh I don't know who what the name of the person is who transcribes, but again, just typing furiously to to keep uh our proceedings accessible. Thank thank you for that, uh uh Councillor Ward. And with that, uh Counselor Shabot, uh request to speak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41311.225, "end": 41323.825, "text": "Yeah, I I I think it's only fair to thank administration as well for working with members of council on making these amendments and motions arising. So big shout out to administration as well. Thank you so much for your work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41328.265, "end": 41331.485, "text": "Um and on that note, I'd like to make a motion to adjourn." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41331.845, "end": 41335.905, "text": "Alright, that's been moved by Councillor Chabot. Seconded by Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41336.725, "end": 41337.665, "text": "On that are we agreed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41338.785, "end": 41339.745, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41341.465, "end": 41343.225, "text": "No. Alright." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 41343.745, "end": 41346.145, "text": "That's carried. See you soon." } ], "num_speakers": 29 }