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Counselor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 71.745, "end": 72.845, "text": "Counselor Wyness." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 73.285, "end": 74.325, "text": "Counselor Ewell." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 74.865, "end": 76.085, "text": "Counselor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 76.745, "end": 77.665, "text": "Counselor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 78.545, "end": 78.845, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 79.045, "end": 79.885, "text": "Counselor Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 80.045, "end": 80.425, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 80.425, "end": 81.585, "text": "Counselor Dollywall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 81.805, "end": 82.025, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 82.085, "end": 83.285, "text": "Counselor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 84.005, "end": 85.185, "text": "Counselor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 85.225, "end": 85.465, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 85.465, "end": 86.785, "text": "And Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 86.785, "end": 87.285, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 87.285, "end": 87.885, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 89.245, "end": 98.325, "text": "Oki Umbawastesh Danitida Tanshe. Indigenous peoples have their own names for this area that have been in use long before settlers named this place Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 98.745, "end": 105.945, "text": "In the Blackfoot language, it is called Mokinstis. The Ithka Nakota Wakstabi First Nations refer to this place as Wachispa Oyude," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 106.205, "end": 108.905, "text": "and the people of the Satuna nation call it Gutstas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 109.225, "end": 111.685, "text": "The Metis call the Calgary area Otuscany." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 112.185, "end": 118.185, "text": "We appreciate and acknowledge that we are gathered on the ancestral and traditional territory of the Blackfoot Nations of the Sikhsika," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 118.425, "end": 120.285, "text": "Pekani, and Kainai First Nations," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 120.585, "end": 123.745, "text": "the Ethka, Nakota, Wokestabi First Nations, comprised" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 124.085, "end": 128.925, "text": "of the Chiniki, Berespah, and Goodstone First Nations, and the Satina First Nation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 129.385, "end": 132.525, "text": "The city of Calgary is also homeland to the historic Northwest Metis" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 132.785, "end": 138.285, "text": "and to the Atipimuswak Metis government. Metis Nation Battle River Territory, Nose Hill, Metis District 5." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 138.505, "end": 140.345, "text": "And elbow Metis District 6." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 140.765, "end": 145.745, "text": "We acknowledge and give gratitude to the many First Nations, Metis, and Inuit who live here" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 146.005, "end": 147.505, "text": "and call Calgary home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 148.345, "end": 151.705, "text": "Our first uh opening remark uh will be from Councillor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 152.685, "end": 153.645, "text": "Uh thank you, worship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 154.545, "end": 155.145, "text": "I um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 155.785, "end": 158.165, "text": "we uh we did a very brief uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 158.425, "end": 161.865, "text": "acknowledgement previously, but I want to formally recognize" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 162.125, "end": 165.285, "text": "um take a moment to recognize the passing of a former" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 165.645, "end": 168.425, "text": "um colleague of ours by the name of Bill Bruce." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 169.285, "end": 171.525, "text": "Bill had a very lasting impact on our city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 171.785, "end": 172.545, "text": "Bill's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 172.685, "end": 174.245, "text": "known to many as Bylaw Bill," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 174.865, "end": 176.085, "text": "and for good reasons." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 176.645, "end": 183.425, "text": "He dedicated more than three decades of his life to the city of Calgary and became widely recognized for the father of Calgary's Community Standards bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 184.085, "end": 186.605, "text": "His philosophy was simple but powerful." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 189.585, "end": 190.545, "text": "By law enforcement" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 190.885, "end": 198.385, "text": "was not about punishing people. It was about helping them comply with and working with communities to solve real problems." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 199.365, "end": 203.345, "text": "Sorry, it's about bylaw enforcement not punishing people. He wanted" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 203.685, "end": 205.325, "text": "to help people to comply" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 205.765, "end": 208.205, "text": "and work with communities to help solve real problems." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 208.965, "end": 216.945, "text": "He also introduced the responsible pet ownership bylaw, including the Spay and Neuter program for cats. Essentially, a new cat bylaw was." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 217.245, "end": 218.725, "text": "Bill's Bill's undertaking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 219.185, "end": 221.705, "text": "I think I was vote number eight for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 223.845, "end": 225.985, "text": "Bill believed deeply in working with residents," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 226.265, "end": 230.345, "text": "counseling communities to build safer, cleaner, and more respectful neighborhoods." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 230.785, "end": 240.425, "text": "He often spoke about how much he loved working with the community and helping solve citizens' concerns, and that approach shaped how Calgary thinks about community standards to this day." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 241.525, "end": 255.385, "text": "I had the privilege of working with Bill directly and will always appreciate his commitment to helping re-establish pride in communities like Forest Lawn and Albert Park, Radisson Heights through enhanced community cleanup efforts and practical collaborative solutions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 255.985, "end": 259.005, "text": "Bill helped bring people together and reminded us that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 259.225, "end": 262.765, "text": "community pride starts with action and partnership." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 263.745, "end": 270.445, "text": "He was known as a leader, a mentor, and a dedicated public servant who served Calgarians with distinction and care." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 271.045, "end": 274.625, "text": "His work left a lasting legacy not only in our bylaws." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 275.065, "end": 277.305, "text": "But in the communities he helped strengthen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 278.205, "end": 280.285, "text": "My thoughts are with his wife Pat," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 280.825, "end": 283.465, "text": "his son Andrew, grandson Michael," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 283.945, "end": 288.905, "text": "all his family, friends, and former colleagues during this time. Calgary is better" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 289.345, "end": 290.445, "text": "because of Bill Bruce," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 291.045, "end": 293.725, "text": "and he will be remembered for his service, his leadership," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 294.505, "end": 295.245, "text": "and his commitment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 295.845, "end": 296.645, "text": "to our communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 302.885, "end": 304.005, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 304.685, "end": 306.845, "text": "I'll go next to Councilor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 309.825, "end": 380.745, "text": "Uh each year on the final day of March, today, March 31st, we observe the International Day of Transgender Visibility. Calgary joins municipalities across Canada to celebrate transgender people and their contributions while also raising awareness of the ongoing issues of discrimination they continue to face today. Each person has the right to live their authentic life, to express themselves, and to be free from discrimination. We all benefit when people can be themselves truly and fully. As Canadians, we have a long history of standing together as allies to protect and promote the human rights of all people living on this land. Let us continue to work together to ensure that everyone feels welcome in our city and has full access to human rights and public services, regardless of their age, sex, race, religion, health status, disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity. And today at noon in the municipal plaza, we will be raising the transgender flag. So anyone who is around at the municipal complex, please join us today at noon for the raising of the flag. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 381.745, "end": 383.225, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 384.145, "end": 392.025, "text": "I'm in with a recognition and uh just a giant welcome to the many community leaders who who join us in the gallery today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 392.425, "end": 396.645, "text": "To join City Council and us formally marking Sikh Heritage Month." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 397.145, "end": 403.585, "text": "This is an incredible time to celebrate the history, vibrant traditions, and contributions of the Sikh community" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 403.885, "end": 408.225, "text": "to the prosperity and the heritage of Calgary, Alberta, and Canada." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 408.665, "end": 415.945, "text": "With more than 750,000 members, Canada is proud to be home to one of the largest Sikh populations in the entire world." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 416.365, "end": 416.985, "text": "In Alberta," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 417.325, "end": 422.345, "text": "the first recorded arrival of Sikh people was in 1903 in the Kroznes Pass region." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 422.725, "end": 427.205, "text": "In Calgary, records show that the first Sikh settlers arrived in 1908." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 427.665, "end": 429.745, "text": "These early immigrants were laborers," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 429.985, "end": 433.325, "text": "builders, and foundational contributors to Alberta's growth." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 433.905, "end": 439.325, "text": "However, to gain employment, many Sikh immigrants were required to make significant sacrifices," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 439.665, "end": 441.045, "text": "including cutting their hair," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 441.445, "end": 442.645, "text": "wearing Western clothing," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 442.945, "end": 445.145, "text": "and practicing their religion in private." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 445.665, "end": 452.305, "text": "April is a very special month here in Calgary for Sikhs, with Vaisakhi falling on Tuesday, April 14th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 452.785, "end": 455.745, "text": "Waisaki commemorates the formation of the Khalsa Pounth" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 455.945, "end": 459.205, "text": "by Guru Gobind Singh ji in 1699." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 459.585, "end": 466.265, "text": "It marks a defining moment of identity, resilience, and standing up for their rights and reflects the values of courage," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 466.505, "end": 468.145, "text": "sacrifice, and devotion" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 468.465, "end": 470.505, "text": "that remain central to the Sikh faith." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 471.005, "end": 472.485, "text": "To mark this joyous occasion," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 472.705, "end": 476.225, "text": "Calgary Sikh community hosts the annual Nagar Kirtan Parade," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 476.505, "end": 479.425, "text": "a vibrant expression of faith, culture, and unity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 479.725, "end": 482.965, "text": "Which attracts more than 60,000 attendees each year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 483.485, "end": 490.685, "text": "The event welcomes everyone who wants to learn more about the Sikh community and faith and experience the community's generosity and hospitality." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 491.085, "end": 498.905, "text": "This year, the parade will take place on Saturday, May 9th, 2026. And for more information, please visit the Dash Mesh Cultural Center" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 499.085, "end": 499.785, "text": "website." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 500.045, "end": 506.125, "text": "And with that, Deputy Mayor Schmidt, would you mind uh taking the chair as Councillor Daliwall and Councillor Chabot and I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 506.425, "end": 511.185, "text": "Go to to greet uh briefly our guests as well as to sign the formal proclamation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 537.705, "end": 540.045, "text": "If we could just yeah, perfect. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 540.525, "end": 547.945, "text": "You know it's it's it's strange being on this end after six days of public hearing. Come in close guys. Uh please come and join us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 551.465, "end": 555.065, "text": "So I have here the proclamation for Sikh Heritage Month." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 555.925, "end": 613.485, "text": "And I will read it now. Sikh Heritage Month recognizes Sikh culture, faith, and history, as well as the many contributions Sikh Canadians make across the country. Vaisakhi, celebrated in April, commemorates the founding of the Khalsa, an integ integral pillar of Sikh identity. Each year, the Calgary Nagar Kyotan Parade marks this joyful occasion and brings Calgarians together in celebration of equality, freedom, and justice. Whereas, Sikhs have called Alberta home since the early 1900s, and this province has the third largest Sikh population in Canada, whereas Calgary's Sikh community plays an integral role in the cultural and economic fabric of our city, helping make Calgary a diverse and inclusive place to live. Whereas the Calgary Nagar Kirtan is one of the largest annual parades in Calgary, drawing more than 100,000 participants." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 614.225, "end": 623.665, "text": "On behalf of City Council and Calgarians, I hereby proclaim April twenty twenty six as Sikh Heritage Month." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 635.965, "end": 641.045, "text": "Thank you so much. And uh briefly let's assemble and uh just do a very brief uh group photograph." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 725.285, "end": 726.345, "text": "You counselors." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 768.465, "end": 770.585, "text": "All right. With that," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 772.405, "end": 776.565, "text": "that concludes our opening remarks and recognitions. We'll move on to question period." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 777.665, "end": 783.825, "text": "We have Counselor Dallywall, Tyres, and Wyness for question period. Please go ahead, Councillor Dallywell." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 784.065, "end": 788.045, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. My question is uh for CAO Duckworth. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 788.725, "end": 820.085, "text": "just in the community, but also often we hear how our city has grown so big in the last four years, especially. Uh I want to go back to 2010. I was reading long range financial plan. Um, we had so many people, uh, so many employees sorry serving per thousand people. Our population was I don't know what. Uh here we are many years after, and we still had an exponential growth in the population. So my question is could you please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 820.625, "end": 823.585, "text": "for council's understanding but also residents," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 824.305, "end": 837.525, "text": "tell us how many pe employees serve per thousand people in twenty ten, what was our population of the city? How many employees we have today serving thousand people and what is the population of our uh uh uh our city" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 840.185, "end": 855.605, "text": "So thank you for that question, Councillor Dolly. Well I'll do my best. Thank you for giving me a little bit of a heads up warning this morning so I could try and get s pull some data for you. So your correct population growth back in twenty ten it was under one point one million. We're at one point six." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 855.885, "end": 910.405, "text": "Million now, so roughly 50% growth in population. Our employee accounts did not grow by 50%. Um, as you know, as population grows, there's more people riding transit, more people demanding water, and so typically your staffing levels grow with population. We've been below population, and what we try to do is to make sure we compare ourselves to other large cities. We do what's called uh uh a full-time equivalent staffing ratio per thousand employees across Canada. We are by far the lowest. Back in 2010, we were around 14 full-time equivalents per thousand residents. We're just under 13 now, so it's 8% less today than we were 16 years ago, roughly. Yeah, about 8% less. If we were to main that maintain that same ratio, today we'd have a further 600 full time equivalent employees at the city of Calgary. That data excludes Calgary Police." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 910.665, "end": 923.725, "text": "Okay, great. No, thank you for answering because often residents ask us how uh there's too much uh too many employees here. I just wanted to put it into perspective for some of those uh residents. Thank you so much, Mayor. Thank you, CAO Duckwood." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 924.225, "end": 925.765, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Tyres, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 927.445, "end": 965.125, "text": "Uh yeah, my question is for CFO Tucker. Um as a council, we've gone through an extensive process spanning over many months in creating our strategic vision for the city. This strategic vision was recently shared with Calgarians, and we're ready to bring positive change to the city where we're focusing on what matters. The next step is the budget, and we'll be putting together a four year budget to realize our goals in our strategic vision. To do our job, we need accurate information to make tough decisions. Is there a line by line budget that currently exists? And uh will when will that be released to council for us to make these decisions?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 968.545, "end": 1043.205, "text": "Uh thank you for the question. So, in terms of the financial information that we have available, we had an inquiry through the inquiry system some time back relating to the CAO area, and we created a more detailed level of the budget relative to that area. And my understanding is that that was positively received. And our intention then is to use that level of detail for the other areas within the city. And not to take away the exciting part of my one-page presentation coming up later. But part of what the exec committee has already in its mandate is the ability within its terms of reference to bring financial information, budget information, variance information to that committee. And so that's an option where throughout the remainder of this year and into next year we can start that process and start bringing department by department information at that level of detail and allow for ourselves to have relative subject matter experts in the room for those conversations and answer any questions that you may have at that time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 1043.465, "end": 1046.005, "text": "Okay. Thank you. Mm very much appreciated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1047.505, "end": 1049.445, "text": "Thank you. Over to Counselor Wyness, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1050.485, "end": 1059.865, "text": "Thank you. Uh we recently had a youth hiring fair and on social media it showed huge lines and and huge attendance. I'm just kind of curious on what data we track," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1060.045, "end": 1062.445, "text": "how many jobs are available at the start of that," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1062.785, "end": 1071.385, "text": "uh, how many youth are actually hired at the end of the day after attending the conference, because with that kind of subscription and the amount of time young people are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1071.785, "end": 1072.145, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1072.485, "end": 1077.005, "text": "standing waiting for the opportunity to speak to an employer because of the failure of." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1077.405, "end": 1085.005, "text": "Online application processes for the job market. I'm just kind of curious what data do we track and how do we ensure we are actually employing young people at the end of the day?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1088.105, "end": 1139.465, "text": "Councillor Wynus, I would be pleased to get that information for you. I didn't uh didn't know it was gonna the question was coming. Uh what I can tell you is that uh the Youth Hiring Fair is uh an opportunity for young people generally aged sort of 15 to 24 to meet with employers. And in some cases, it's to line up employment opportunities in real time on the spot. Sometimes it's more about a career dialogue. So not everyone who comes to the youth hiring fair is necessarily looking to come away with a job, and not every employer uh similarly is coming to hire people on the spot, but we know that there are uh several thousand young people that attend, um, and we also know that um there are employment um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 1139.985, "end": 1151.225, "text": "connections that get made, uh a lot of employment connections, which is why it's such a successful event year after year. As I said, I'll be pleased to pull what information I can and circulate it to all council. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1152.745, "end": 1158.125, "text": "Yeah, thanks. I I I knew I was kind of surprising you with that one, but I was looking forward to the report back on the question" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1158.365, "end": 1163.445, "text": "because I think in the economy now we're seeing more young people actually wanting to get hired, not just have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1163.865, "end": 1167.025, "text": "employment conversations. And what's I've seen circulated is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1167.305, "end": 1169.165, "text": "their goal is to be hired, not to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1169.505, "end": 1169.745, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1169.965, "end": 1170.905, "text": "have a conversation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1171.145, "end": 1171.705, "text": "So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1173.425, "end": 1174.745, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Wyness." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1178.505, "end": 1181.005, "text": "Can I please have a confirmation of the agenda?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1185.585, "end": 1194.165, "text": "I think after seven days in a row. Let's have a meeting, guys. All right, moved by Councillor Atkinson. Seconded by Councilor Padazopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1194.465, "end": 1200.665, "text": "The agenda is on the table. We have a couple amendments here to the agenda. I'm gonna go first to Councilor Ewell, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 1201.505, "end": 1240.565, "text": "Thanks. Council, as discussed over the past week with each of you, I need to add an urgent item to the agenda today. And I realize the gravity of that ask looking at Councillor Shabe's uh agenda packet. We have a large day ahead of us. Um but uh this notice of motion is to request uh is a request to council to address partner sustainability. This request will need to be confidential due to the disclosure being harmful to business interest of a third party. Uh if this matter could wait, I would have brought it forward through the normal notice procedure. However, uh there are time dependent decisions needing council direction, which is why I'm requesting your support to add it to the agenda today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1242.065, "end": 1244.165, "text": "All right, that's been moved by Councilor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1244.505, "end": 1246.325, "text": "seconded by uh Council Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1246.865, "end": 1257.665, "text": "Uh as chair of the procedure by law asked me to weigh in about whether urgent business uh is warranted. Uh in this case, absolutely, even if uh ultimately the merits are something the council decides against. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1258.165, "end": 1261.425, "text": "It's urgent that we hear the information uh contained." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1263.385, "end": 1264.525, "text": "Any further debate on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1266.405, "end": 1272.145, "text": "Seeing none, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote, please, on the addition of this urgent business." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 1284.745, "end": 1286.425, "text": "Councillor Jameson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 1286.885, "end": 1287.445, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 1288.105, "end": 1289.805, "text": "Councillor Chabot, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1291.005, "end": 1291.325, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 1291.485, "end": 1292.005, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 1292.385, "end": 1294.025, "text": "Councilor McLean, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1295.005, "end": 1295.425, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 1295.685, "end": 1296.225, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 1296.485, "end": 1297.865, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1298.145, "end": 1299.505, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1302.185, "end": 1310.085, "text": "Thank you. That motion carries unanimously 15 to 0. And I s I apologize, Councilor. I should have stated that required a two thirds uh vote, which was achieved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1310.885, "end": 1313.745, "text": "Next I will go to Councilor Winas, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1314.685, "end": 1325.845, "text": "Thanks. I'm just asking council if we could set uh debating the notice of motion I'm bringing forward for council uh direction on city building program to after the lunch recess. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1326.105, "end": 1327.105, "text": "I just trying to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1327.405, "end": 1330.605, "text": "avoid a conflict with how big our agenda is, and I never know" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1330.945, "end": 1332.605, "text": "when we'll actually get to something. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 1332.845, "end": 1336.525, "text": "uh please support me in allowing me to have a time set for my notice of motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1338.005, "end": 1340.285, "text": "Second by uh Councilor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1341.205, "end": 1342.065, "text": "Okay, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1342.505, "end": 1346.605, "text": "Yeah, council please support this. Uh also consider just the constraints that uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1346.985, "end": 1349.545, "text": "Uh planning is that internally for this given the uh public" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1349.545, "end": 1353.045, "text": "hearing. It's absolutely warranted that uh this uh request be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1353.505, "end": 1353.985, "text": "accepted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1354.385, "end": 1355.285, "text": "Any debate on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1357.845, "end": 1361.725, "text": "Seeing none, uh Madam Clerk let's engage the vote on that time specific request," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1362.245, "end": 1363.425, "text": "setting the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1364.065, "end": 1367.285, "text": "providing council direction on city building program notice of motion" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1367.625, "end": 1370.205, "text": "to be dealt with as the first item following lunch recess." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 1376.565, "end": 1377.965, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1378.185, "end": 1379.685, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1383.905, "end": 1388.305, "text": "Thank you. That motion is carried 15 0. It will be the first item after the lunch recess." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1389.045, "end": 1392.025, "text": "I think finally on agenda," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1392.525, "end": 1397.405, "text": "I'm requesting that uh my notice of motion item 9.4.11," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1397.685, "end": 1400.365, "text": "uh notice of motion, executive compensation disclosure" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1400.825, "end": 1402.285, "text": "in the City of Calgary annual report" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1402.665, "end": 1411.745, "text": "uh be removed from the agenda and filed. Uh the reason being the uh provincial government isn't stating uh compensation to close disclosure requirements and it becomes a moot point." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1413.545, "end": 1414.485, "text": "I need a mover for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1415.325, "end": 1422.205, "text": "Moved by Councilor Chabot, seconded by Councillor McLean. Uh any debates on making our agenda a little bit shorter today?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 1422.305, "end": 1423.665, "text": "Uh I d I do actually." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1423.745, "end": 1425.345, "text": "All right, uh Councillor Johnston, please, on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 1425.525, "end": 1426.085, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 1426.505, "end": 1428.825, "text": "so part of that notice motion I actually" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 1429.705, "end": 1432.265, "text": "I I definitely agreed with, sorry. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 1433.325, "end": 1436.045, "text": "will it require uh council direction to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 1438.725, "end": 1440.285, "text": "and I believe it was uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 1441.305, "end": 1445.105, "text": "have uh sorry, I'm just reading it right now real quick here, but to have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 1446.685, "end": 1453.025, "text": "the high level staff on the or sorry, Mayor, can you can you help me with this real quick here? Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1454.145, "end": 1458.885, "text": "Yeah, so the motion before us is to essentially take that agenda item off of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1459.305, "end": 1463.045, "text": "agenda today. It requires councils' permission to no longer debate it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 1463.045, "end": 1476.485, "text": "Sorry, but the the substance of the notice of motion to direct administration to file the report, the annual report with the high-level staff on the report itself." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1484.325, "end": 1490.865, "text": "Uh just to respond to you real quick, I I don't really want to get in the merits of how things are disclosed or not. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1491.185, "end": 1496.065, "text": "my understanding is that by regulation the provincial government is going to be in stating a certain form." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1496.425, "end": 1504.825, "text": "Uh that's required. Perhaps it's a city website, perhaps it's provincially hosted. We don't know at this point because the regulations haven't been passed what that's gonna look like exactly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 1505.325, "end": 1505.685, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1508.265, "end": 1510.085, "text": "Any uh further discussion on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1513.225, "end": 1514.685, "text": "All right, uh seeing none, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1515.245, "end": 1516.445, "text": "Councilor Shabot, you closed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1518.925, "end": 1520.165, "text": "All right, Councilor Shabot's closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1520.545, "end": 1523.265, "text": "Uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the evote, and this is to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1523.885, "end": 1528.665, "text": "uh remove from agenda and file the notice of motion on executive compensation disclosure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1528.925, "end": 1532.745, "text": "So vote yes if you don't want to debate it. Vote no if yes you want to debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1536.325, "end": 1538.825, "text": "No, vote vote yes if you want it off the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1539.025, "end": 1541.625, "text": "Vote no if you want it to stay on the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 1553.765, "end": 1555.285, "text": "Councillor Dollywall, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 1555.785, "end": 1556.345, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 1557.025, "end": 1558.285, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1558.685, "end": 1560.065, "text": "All right, please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1562.945, "end": 1566.165, "text": "Alright, that motion is carried unanimously. The uh notice of motion has been" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1566.565, "end": 1567.465, "text": "deleted from the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1568.085, "end": 1573.105, "text": "Anyone else on the agenda as amended? Not consent agenda on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1573.325, "end": 1574.325, "text": "specifically on the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1576.065, "end": 1580.365, "text": "All right. Uh seeing none, uh let's engage the vote on the agenda as amended, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 1591.425, "end": 1592.605, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1593.005, "end": 1594.585, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1598.985, "end": 1601.445, "text": "All right. Uh I'm going to you, Councillor Shabot, in the minutes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1603.085, "end": 1605.505, "text": "Yeah, I I mean I would just move them, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1606.025, "end": 1610.805, "text": "there's seven sets of minutes, and so I figured it provide it requires a little bit of." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1611.285, "end": 1611.845, "text": "of uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1612.125, "end": 1613.965, "text": "content with regards to the moving of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1614.305, "end": 1619.145, "text": "I want to thank administration further, not only for not making any errors in any of these minutes, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1619.385, "end": 1625.265, "text": "for taking a time this morning to go through the minutes with me to to verify a couple of items and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1625.545, "end": 1631.365, "text": "and I and I have to say they went above and beyond because they actually found a mistake that I didn't. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1631.745, "end": 1634.725, "text": "congratulations admin, happy to move the recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1636.005, "end": 1639.605, "text": "All right. Uh moved by Councillor Shabot, seconded by Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1640.405, "end": 1642.765, "text": "Yeah, I'll repeat that. Thank you to the amazing clerks team." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1643.185, "end": 1644.505, "text": "Any further debate on the minutes?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1646.125, "end": 1650.465, "text": "All right. Seeing none, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote on the approval of the minutes in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1650.705, "end": 1652.385, "text": "the omnibus motion after amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 1660.985, "end": 1662.205, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1662.505, "end": 1664.005, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1667.305, "end": 1667.965, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1668.625, "end": 1670.085, "text": "The minutes have been approved. All of them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1671.525, "end": 1675.385, "text": "Okay, uh, can I get a mover, please, for the consent agenda omnibus motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1677.205, "end": 1680.325, "text": "Moved by Councillor Kelly, seconded by Councilor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1680.785, "end": 1684.165, "text": "Now I'm gonna go through the lights here for uh consent agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1684.645, "end": 1692.645, "text": "And just bearing in mind this is a monstrous agenda today. Maybe when I acknowledge you, just state whether it's substantial amendments, debate, or if you're just pulling it to vote no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1694.645, "end": 1698.245, "text": "Over to uh counselor Clark, please, on consent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1698.605, "end": 1707.085, "text": "Yes, thank you, Chair. I'd like to poll 7.11 uh proposed terms of reference for the city of Calgary and Chester for an amendment, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1707.545, "end": 1707.825, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1708.845, "end": 1710.945, "text": "Over to Councilor Schmidt, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1713.045, "end": 1714.805, "text": "I believe it's Deputy Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1714.805, "end": 1720.225, "text": "Oh my gosh, it's Deputy Mayor Schmidt for 12 out more hours. Yes, it is. Indeed, sir." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1721.105, "end": 1722.865, "text": "Although I can't wait. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1722.865, "end": 1731.085, "text": "I know you. I think honestly, this is I I need to give you more proper kudos, Deputy Mayor, but I think you've been the busiest Deputy Mayor by far." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 1731.425, "end": 1736.805, "text": "7.14 no just simply for a vote to mirror IPC." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1739.725, "end": 1741.325, "text": "Over to Councillor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 1742.745, "end": 1754.145, "text": "Uh 7.13 Providence uh mostly just a vote, no, and seven point two five uh for some just questions of clarification." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1758.825, "end": 1759.785, "text": "Counselor McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1760.965, "end": 1771.105, "text": "Actually, uh we don't even have to speak after you just to re reiterate your point, Mayor, is that we discussed all of these items at length in committee. That's what committee is for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1771.465, "end": 1778.005, "text": "You can bring them up to make a vote, but to debate them endlessly again is not necessary. So it sounds like everybody just wants to vote on amendment. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1778.165, "end": 1778.805, "text": "Thank you, Councilor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1779.805, "end": 1781.165, "text": "Any items you want to pull?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1781.785, "end": 1784.925, "text": "No. Just add them to the length of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1785.345, "end": 1785.985, "text": "the thing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1787.005, "end": 1789.305, "text": "You want to pull my finger, I guess. Counselor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1790.265, "end": 1792.885, "text": "Uh yeah um 7.5 just to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1793.705, "end": 1797.465, "text": "Get a couple of clerical corrections. I believe the clerks has a corrected version" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1798.185, "end": 1799.625, "text": "of the quarterly report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1800.885, "end": 1802.165, "text": "Alright, anyone else on consent?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1804.085, "end": 1807.385, "text": "All right, uh to be clear for the members of the public watching." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1807.845, "end": 1811.185, "text": "Pulled is 7.5 quarterly report for questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1811.485, "end": 1815.885, "text": "7.11, the terms of reference for Calgary Chestermere for amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1816.425, "end": 1822.845, "text": "And largely uh votes in opposition for 713 growth application provenance and 7.14" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1823.325, "end": 1824.405, "text": "uh glacier ridge" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1824.745, "end": 1829.165, "text": "and then 7.25 business license audit to audit for questions. Anyone else?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1832.165, "end": 1838.685, "text": "All right. Uh with that uh let's close on the consent agenda and uh move all the remaining items in omnibus, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1839.485, "end": 1841.665, "text": "Uh Madam Clerk, let's uh engage the e vote on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1847.545, "end": 1849.225, "text": "So it's on the screen, it's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1849.465, "end": 1852.285, "text": "pretty exhaustive, but it's all the items less 7.5," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1852.585, "end": 1854.085, "text": "11, 13, 14." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1854.445, "end": 1855.065, "text": "And 25." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1857.445, "end": 1857.885, "text": "And it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1858.045, "end": 1859.705, "text": "the window's too big for me to vote" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1860.125, "end": 1861.645, "text": "on it, actually." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1861.725, "end": 1862.645, "text": "There's a little time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1863.785, "end": 1865.065, "text": "Oh, okay. What" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1867.445, "end": 1868.905, "text": "is this? An evote for ants?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1871.805, "end": 1872.185, "text": "Alright." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 1874.185, "end": 1875.585, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1875.685, "end": 1877.505, "text": "Thank you, please. Display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1881.165, "end": 1884.205, "text": "Thank you. That motion is carried unanimously. Council, I'm glad we're still having" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1884.825, "end": 1886.125, "text": "fun and we're friends." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1886.645, "end": 1886.985, "text": "Alright." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1888.045, "end": 1890.505, "text": "Alright, uh one moment here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1893.385, "end": 1896.085, "text": "Let's move to consent item" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1896.425, "end": 1898.605, "text": "consent agenda item selected for debate," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1900.665, "end": 1901.765, "text": "if I'm reading properly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1901.945, "end": 1902.865, "text": "Yeah, 7.5." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1903.145, "end": 1904.265, "text": "Yep, 7.5, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1904.265, "end": 1906.205, "text": "Yeah, so um I believe um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1907.125, "end": 1908.085, "text": "the amended" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1908.365, "end": 1911.365, "text": "version of the quarterly report. There was two clerical" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1911.745, "end": 1914.785, "text": "corrections on one on page 13, the other one on page 15." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1915.245, "end": 1915.705, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1915.965, "end": 1918.065, "text": "it has been corrected and happy to move" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1919.005, "end": 1920.085, "text": "the corrected version" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1920.485, "end": 1921.785, "text": "of that report with those two" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1922.245, "end": 1923.245, "text": "clerical corrections." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1924.605, "end": 1927.505, "text": "All right, that's been moved by Councillor Chabot, second by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1927.745, "end": 1928.365, "text": "Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1928.845, "end": 1932.565, "text": "Any further discussion on city's quarterly report uh year-end." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1937.485, "end": 1940.545, "text": "Uh I will, and I apologize, CFO Tucker," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1940.885, "end": 1943.605, "text": "uh, for springing this question on you unannounced." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1944.005, "end": 1947.425, "text": "Um, in the budget adjustments in November," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1947.965, "end": 1950.825, "text": "there was a certain anticipation of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1951.505, "end": 1957.505, "text": "uh surplus revenue or the favorable variants that we're banking on. Like we essentially pre dedicated uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1957.785, "end": 1960.045, "text": "Some of the money in advance as part of that budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1960.565, "end": 1963.905, "text": "Do you have offhand by chance what the delta is between" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1964.325, "end": 1965.565, "text": "what's been pre-committed" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1965.925, "end": 1970.125, "text": "versus what came in and is uncommitted? So my my question is largely" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1970.585, "end": 1972.005, "text": "what is the actual" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1972.565, "end": 1977.325, "text": "variance that's not been pre committed by the previous year's uh budget adjustment? And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1977.705, "end": 1981.085, "text": "I apologize if you don't have an answer uh for me, we can just chat offline." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 1990.905, "end": 1991.885, "text": "Thanks for the question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 1992.365, "end": 2015.185, "text": "In terms of what was committed, going back to the budget documents, we had approximately $210 million that was pre committed. And so relative to the variants that we had, that is the amount that was in the budget documents. And then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 2016.405, "end": 2029.765, "text": "From the perspective of where that flows to, that flows straight into uh or will flow straight into the FSR and that'll be there to um allocate depending on the conversations this year and into November." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2030.385, "end": 2035.225, "text": "But the uh the overall favorable variance is not as big as you would otherwise think because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2035.665, "end": 2037.765, "text": "Much of that funding has been pre-committed" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2038.025, "end": 2038.745, "text": "based on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2039.685, "end": 2040.065, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2040.905, "end": 2042.865, "text": "the November budget adjustments. Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 2042.865, "end": 2047.545, "text": "That's correct. So um I was just stalling because I was on the wrong page, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2047.545, "end": 2053.065, "text": "And I I do apologize for springing on a very specific technical question without uh giving you advance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 2053.065, "end": 2093.725, "text": "We have that as uh as mentioned in the documents 259 million. So the 210 was dedicated in November, and then earlier in the year, I believe uh in the June time frame, uh $20 million was dedicated for um capital programs uh by the last council. So those dollars have been set aside and dedicated. Um just want to be clear the difference between when council dedicates or commits dollars versus when they're actually spent. So when we look at the FSR and we speak about the FSR and the balances, those dollars um will still in many cases be there, but they're just committed for these earlier commitments that were made." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2094.025, "end": 2099.085, "text": "Thank you very much. Is it fair to say that most of the money has already been accounted for?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 2101.145, "end": 2104.745, "text": "It's been allocated, but just committed to this point." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2104.745, "end": 2105.105, "text": "Fair enough." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2105.605, "end": 2108.845, "text": "All right, uh that's it to me for me. Uh Councillor Chabot to close on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2111.005, "end": 2113.205, "text": "Yeah, no, thanks for that. No, it's just uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2113.785, "end": 2119.565, "text": "A couple of small words in case you're wondering what the specific wording was. I mentioned it before. It was c changing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2119.845, "end": 2122.665, "text": "Her Majesty's Canadianship to His Majesty. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2123.305, "end": 2123.725, "text": "on the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2124.085, "end": 2127.465, "text": "page 15, it's the word commenting to commencing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2128.025, "end": 2129.945, "text": "Again, just clerical in nature, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2130.605, "end": 2131.585, "text": "important because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2132.605, "end": 2133.305, "text": "it didn't make sense." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2134.485, "end": 2134.845, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2135.605, "end": 2136.485, "text": "Let's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2136.685, "end": 2138.065, "text": "engage the vote on that, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 2150.885, "end": 2152.205, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2152.405, "end": 2153.785, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2159.985, "end": 2162.605, "text": "Thank you. That motion is carried unanimously, 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2163.465, "end": 2170.025, "text": "We're now on 711, proposed terms of reference for the city of Calgary, City of Chestermere Intermunicipal Development Plan Project." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2170.445, "end": 2171.905, "text": "Over to you, uh Council Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2175.105, "end": 2188.165, "text": "Yes, thank you, Chair. Uh bringing forward an amendment to the proposed terms of reference uh in attachment three of report IGA 2026 0170 to address a new clause under section 3.2 on collaboration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2188.485, "end": 2194.065, "text": "The amendment states that Chestermere and Calgary will consider the impact their plans and development have on the region." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2195.205, "end": 2225.005, "text": "This language is about opportunity. Calgary and Chestermere are important municipal partners in a shared regional system. Whether we're talking about growth, infrastructure, transportation, or servicing, when we collaborate early and intentionally, we can identify shared challenges sooner, align where it makes sense, and avoid unintended consequences down the line. I want to be clear that this does not change authorities or decision making. It doesn't create new approvals or obligations. What it does is set a common expectation that regional awareness is part of how we approach this work together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2225.585, "end": 2239.205, "text": "Including this principle strengthens us trust, transparency, and the quality of outcomes for both municipalities, and it reflects the spirit of why under why we undertake intermunicipal planning in the first place. For those reasons, I'm asking for council to support this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2239.785, "end": 2243.325, "text": "Thank you, uh Council Clark. That's uh seconded by Councilor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2243.605, "end": 2245.185, "text": "Any further debate on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2245.345, "end": 2245.625, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2247.985, "end": 2250.225, "text": "All right. Uh seeing none, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2250.725, "end": 2251.405, "text": "Madam Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 2252.385, "end": 2259.025, "text": "That was on the amendment. Mayor Farkas, but we require the motion itself to be moved and seconded before the amendment can be accepted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2259.225, "end": 2263.325, "text": "Okay, we're gonna say Councilor Clark uh moved the original and Councilor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2263.645, "end": 2265.405, "text": "Uh seconded the original and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2266.425, "end": 2271.265, "text": "councillor Clark has moved the amendment and Councillor Shabot has seconded the amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2271.825, "end": 2272.965, "text": "With a rousing speech." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2273.185, "end": 2274.485, "text": "Yeah, with a rousing speech." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2277.825, "end": 2281.825, "text": "All right. Uh seeing no further debate, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 2289.245, "end": 2290.485, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2292.285, "end": 2294.025, "text": "All right. Uh please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2297.005, "end": 2299.105, "text": "That motion is carried, uh, 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2301.185, "end": 2306.065, "text": "Moving on now to 713 growth application in the Providence Area Structure Plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2309.285, "end": 2311.225, "text": "Over to you, uh Counselor Shabot" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2311.385, "end": 2314.705, "text": "to introduce the item. Or sorry, Councilor McLean to introduce the item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2315.205, "end": 2316.405, "text": "uh yes, thanks, uh Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2316.645, "end": 2319.785, "text": "Yeah, like I said earlier, we've discussed this at length. Uh, I think if people want to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2320.285, "end": 2322.425, "text": "change their vote or vote again, let's do it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2323.165, "end": 2324.045, "text": "But uh yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2324.385, "end": 2324.845, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2325.305, "end": 2328.505, "text": "It moved by uh counselor McLean, seconded by Councillor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2329.465, "end": 2330.805, "text": "Any further debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2331.525, "end": 2332.545, "text": "Counselor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 2333.085, "end": 2378.805, "text": "Yeah, I I hear you, and I know we we did have it out, but this is an off-ramp that is provided, and actually the committee vote is just to bring it forward to council to then be voted on at council. So this is actually where you're giving the power to uh administration to further this. So this is actually the spot in which council gets to make that decision. Just a reminder the spend on this is $582 million, of which $246 million is being recovered through off site levies. So over half of the spend in terms of the capital infrastructure costs associated with the Providence plan is uh not being funded by off site levies. I will be voting against. I would love if you were to join me. I'll leave it at that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2379.365, "end": 2381.565, "text": "All right, uh Deputy Mayor Schmidt, please, on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2381.765, "end": 2384.565, "text": "Uh yes, just uh briefly that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2385.585, "end": 2414.025, "text": "you know since public engagement is on our mind right now, I th I believe we all received a lot of correspondence with concerns from the community about this and with the tough decisions we have coming up with the budget this year, all the infrastructure concerns. It's really about prioritization of what's appropriate at this time. And uh even from Kreb during the public hearing, we heard about how growth is slowing down. So is this the right time to focus these?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 2414.945, "end": 2427.565, "text": "very badly needed resources for this project or other projects. And when we're considering the burden on Calgarians, um I don't think this is the right time. So I will uh be voting no to this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2429.185, "end": 2431.785, "text": "Thank you. Any uh further debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2432.285, "end": 2432.885, "text": "Councilor Shabot?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2434.745, "end": 2436.045, "text": "And no, I need to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2436.885, "end": 2440.665, "text": "get some clarification from administration because we talk about growth paying for growth," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2441.205, "end": 2443.485, "text": "and it's been suggested that maybe there's going to be a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2443.785, "end": 2446.745, "text": "Cost that Calgarians, taxpayers, will have to pay" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2447.665, "end": 2449.885, "text": "for this development. I guess the question is," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2450.545, "end": 2452.265, "text": "how is this being paid for and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2452.525, "end": 2454.165, "text": "is there a tax" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2454.565, "end": 2457.985, "text": "associated component to this that will result in a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2458.745, "end": 2459.785, "text": "tax increase?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2460.665, "end": 2464.045, "text": "I'll ask the team to come up because it will be specific to the item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2468.385, "end": 2474.465, "text": "Good morning, Council. My name is Dale Calkins. I'm the coordinator of Growth Strategy. My team oversees the review of these growth application files." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2474.925, "end": 2480.745, "text": "And Councillor Chabot, you're specifically asking about kind of the difference between what is levy funded and what is not levy funded." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2482.405, "end": 2483.905, "text": "How much is tax supported?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2485.325, "end": 2496.785, "text": "Absolutely here. So unfortunately, our file manager for this application was unwell today, so you have you'll have me for this one. But yes, so $582.7 million, the total infrastructure price tag associated with this application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2497.365, "end": 2511.265, "text": "42% of that is levy eligible. And that primarily is the water-related infrastructure. The mobility-related infrastructure, as we discussed at committee, is about half levy funded and half funded through other city sources, including taxes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2513.005, "end": 2519.485, "text": "And any of it uh related to any utilities fees and insofar as some of that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2520.325, "end": 2521.465, "text": "uh costs?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2521.745, "end": 2537.525, "text": "I'll maybe ask uh Ms. Choi to join me up here to provide any more specific information about that. But the the utility pieces, so the water, the sanitary, and the storm, are going to be generally levy funded. The other pieces, the mobility, like I said, can be funded from other areas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2540.265, "end": 2544.345, "text": "That's correct. The utility infrastructure is assumed to be 100% levy funded." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2545.505, "end": 2547.205, "text": "So I guess the question is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2547.345, "end": 2549.365, "text": "how much of it is going to be tax supported?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2550.465, "end": 2551.125, "text": "Do we have a number?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2551.885, "end": 2554.925, "text": "Yes. You'll have to give me a moment to pull that up for you there, Councillor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2571.205, "end": 2572.065, "text": "Be clear," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2572.685, "end": 2577.365, "text": "this doesn't start until 2029, right? Any capital investments is not until 2029." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2577.585, "end": 2590.885, "text": "That's correct. And so you'll see in the recommendations we've gone with a slightly different approach than we normally do, where we said specifically that we will start considering the funding for this in 2029. So we still have to go through the budget prioritization process. So for council's benefit, and as a reminder," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2591.945, "end": 2602.905, "text": "this is not an approval today for this application for this money. We have to go through the budget prioritization process where it will be compared against all other items, but we will only start considering this for 2029 and not 2027." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2602.945, "end": 2611.465, "text": "And the 582 that was referenced, that's at full build out, right? So there's going to be incremental costs over time that'll have to be incurred, not all at once" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2612.185, "end": 2634.145, "text": "That's correct. So $236.3 million required in this upcoming budget cycle, and then the remainder would be 2031 and beyond. And so those initial 236.3 million, that's specifically for water-related infrastructure because the mobility-related infrastructure, the interchanges, and the bus rapid transit is generally triggered at 50% of the build-out of the growth application area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2634.345, "end": 2638.785, "text": "down the road. So the initial capital costs fully funded through through levies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2639.625, "end": 2654.985, "text": "With the exception that we are also advancing some of the mobility design and further study for the functional planning study. So there is $10 million that we would expect to be city tax funded for some of that mobility design work to advance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2655.025, "end": 2657.045, "text": "Okay, that's all the questions I had." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2658.125, "end": 2658.585, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2658.585, "end": 2660.745, "text": "Thank you. Uh Councillor Pandezopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2660.865, "end": 2672.405, "text": "So much. I wanted to speak a bit about that twenty twenty nine because we talked about it at committee for those that weren't there and it was it was really important because I think if I heard correctly it was sort of the first time and I really uh respected administration to come back." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 2673.065, "end": 2726.185, "text": "And saying, you know what, we don't have the capacity today. We will have the capacity from a staffing, from a capital perspective in 2029. And I think that was the right approach. And that's what got me over. It was not a matter of we're gonna do it in 27, hell or high water, and we're gonna just push other assets out. It was a conversation that said we recognized our workload and managed the growth or was there other growth. And I think that sort of language and that consistency and that certainty providing to industry was important because we spoke to that. One of the concerns industry has is when can I spend? Uh we talked about a yes and a no and a maybe, and this is a yes in 2029. So that's why I'm supporting this, is because we did have a plan in place. It wasn't just simply pushing reserves and growing for growth's sakes, it sort of managed that growth. And and I strongly encourage administration when you look at other and make sure we do that. Plan ahead, plan accordingly. We have to balance growth with also our internal needs. So for that reason, I'm going to be supporting and I commend man excuse me, administration for being thoughtful and postponing it until 29. We have the resources. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2729.525, "end": 2731.445, "text": "Thank you. Any further debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2735.505, "end": 2739.165, "text": "Uh I will jump in very briefly because I was unable to attend committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2739.625, "end": 2740.725, "text": "Uh I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2741.165, "end": 2744.325, "text": "this is the right way to go. I think the committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2745.005, "end": 2751.985, "text": "Meeting and largely the public presentations highlighted for me how the debate needs to change around suburban growth, especially." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2752.345, "end": 2758.185, "text": "Right now we're seeing that today's new communities aren't the same as the ones that are being built 20 or 30 years ago." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2758.565, "end": 2761.405, "text": "We're seeing higher densities, better land use efficiency," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2761.885, "end": 2768.025, "text": "uh far greater off site levies, developer funded infrastructure, clearer life cycle costing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2768.325, "end": 2772.605, "text": "And I think all of those things together have really bent the curve toward financial sustainability." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2772.885, "end": 2776.865, "text": "I'll fully grant that uh the city was largely for a long time on the hook for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2777.205, "end": 2781.565, "text": "uh communities that would perpetually generate less uh tax revenue than" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2781.865, "end": 2789.785, "text": "they would ultimately uh uh require in in terms of life cycle maintenance, but that's no longer the case, at least uh for many of the current business cases." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2790.085, "end": 2793.185, "text": "Right now we're seeing communities like these generate far more tax revenue" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2793.505, "end": 2799.305, "text": "uh per hectare than earlier suburban models, and they're doing so with a greater share of the cost being uh paid" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2799.525, "end": 2800.945, "text": "upfront by developers and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2801.165, "end": 2806.245, "text": "I think we even have to respect that the administration, our administration, which is tasked with I think being" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2806.565, "end": 2808.065, "text": "rightfully so, uh pretty" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2808.285, "end": 2816.445, "text": "uh firm but fair with our development industry is also recommending uh approval for for these applications. And I think that that really matters. I think as a council," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2817.065, "end": 2820.565, "text": "our opportunity here is to move beyond uh some of the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2820.885, "end": 2823.425, "text": "past tropes like inner city good, suburbs bad." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2823.665, "end": 2826.765, "text": "Um I think we can actually have well planned new neighborhoods that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2827.105, "end": 2832.965, "text": "contribute positively to the city's finances, provided, though, that the city continues to enforce full cost recovery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2833.305, "end": 2836.065, "text": "And align our fees and taxes with those uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2836.425, "end": 2838.285, "text": "long-term maintenance obligations. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2838.625, "end": 2839.125, "text": "I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2839.365, "end": 2846.085, "text": "at the same time, we've made progress on that, but it does not eliminate our existing infrastructure deficit. We're gonna have to continue to pursue" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2846.445, "end": 2852.125, "text": "uh more density in established areas as well. That that remains our strongest net revenue generator because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2852.325, "end": 2856.125, "text": "they leverage a lot of the uh sunk infrastructure that we have and they deliver" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2856.425, "end": 2860.705, "text": "ongoing tax revenue with uh relatively minimal new capital investments. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2860.985, "end": 2875.465, "text": "We have to we have to this should not be an ideological choice. I fully support bringing this forward as an option for us to consider. This does not lock us into these investments, but I think it has the opportunity to provide more detailed information around business cases" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2875.745, "end": 2882.265, "text": "to uh ultimately persuade counsel or not, but also to appease some of the skepticism that members of the public have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2882.605, "end": 2887.025, "text": "So with that, uh I'm happy to support this at this time. I will be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2887.245, "end": 2892.625, "text": "As skeptical as possible when it comes to proper budget time, comparing this to other opportunities. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2893.025, "end": 2896.385, "text": "at this point, I think we'd be remiss if we didn't at least ask for uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2896.685, "end": 2901.585, "text": "this analysis of these capital and operating investments to be carried forward. So over to you, Councilor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2903.145, "end": 2908.745, "text": "Thank you, worship. I um I voted in favor of this at uh at community because um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2908.965, "end": 2910.405, "text": "I think I think it is a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2910.785, "end": 2919.885, "text": "a good design, it's a good plan, it it it makes a lot of sense. And uh I I will echo what the mayor said there in terms of um the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2921.025, "end": 2933.745, "text": "the the type of suburban community that we're building right now is very different and in my opinion a uh much better than those that we were building 15, 20 years ago. And I have no doubt that this would be one of them as well. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2934.885, "end": 2941.145, "text": "Where I've been kind of listening in this debate for is that um since since committee, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2941.825, "end": 2947.865, "text": "we have a lot of infrastructure in the city that needs to catch up. And I'm looking at how do we pay for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2948.725, "end": 2957.605, "text": "And while this is uh not committing dollars at this exact point, it was brought up at committee. It there's several different" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2958.325, "end": 2974.125, "text": "Stations along the way, gates, if you will, uh, where you can decide yes or no on a project like this. And the question is really, when you when do you get off that bus? You're on the bus, when do you get off it? And you're like, not yet. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2974.965, "end": 3003.525, "text": "I think I'm there right now for this one. That uh that I'd like to I'd like to get off the bus on this right now until I hear how exactly we're gonna catch up on the rest of that. 42% is is not enough right now for me. I wanna I want to know how we're going to get there. Um I rec I recognize that we have enough enough land to keep growing at the rate that we are right now, and I really do like this, but um I think we have some other priorities right now and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 3004.145, "end": 3034.285, "text": "We need to figure out how we're going to pay for them. And at this point, I prefer to be committing our dollars towards maintaining the infrastructure that we currently have rather than building additional infrastructure at this point. This feels like a nice to have, and I applaud all the work that administration and the developers who brought this forward have put into it because I think it is good quality work that they've done. But as of right now, for today on this particular application, I'm choosing to get off the bus." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3037.845, "end": 3040.205, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Kelly. Over to Council McLean to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3041.165, "end": 3042.805, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3043.525, "end": 3045.325, "text": "Forgive my frustration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3046.025, "end": 3048.225, "text": "Two hours we spent on this," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3048.725, "end": 3056.485, "text": "Counselor Kelly. You said the same thing last time. We debated this. Why do we have committee? Should we just grab committee? Sorry. This" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3057.145, "end": 3067.645, "text": "the numbers again, capital request was $236 million. The levy exceeds that. It's $271 million. It's net positive operating. It's an award winning community where phases are selling out immediately." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3067.805, "end": 3070.625, "text": "Commercials under construction. Business is coming soon." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3070.865, "end": 3073.905, "text": "All the homes that are there would be stranded if we don't build out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3074.285, "end": 3080.045, "text": "Currently, we're expecting Qualto to be out of homes in this this year, Dreams two to four year they're out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3080.465, "end": 3084.265, "text": "We need to prove this so community continue to grow, support local business," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3084.445, "end": 3089.005, "text": "so the city can continue to collect levies to help repay the tens of millions of dollars the city" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3089.345, "end": 3091.905, "text": "has already invested in this area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3092.125, "end": 3095.645, "text": "We spent hundreds of millions of dollars, the province has spent hundreds of millions of dollars" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3095.945, "end": 3097.805, "text": "connecting this community to the Stoney Trail." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3098.905, "end": 3103.125, "text": "Again, two hours and some we've debated, now we spend another 20 minutes. Please vote yes, let's move on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3108.505, "end": 3114.445, "text": "All right, Madam Clerk, uh let's engage the vote and I'll just ask my colleagues. We we can make our arguments without being overly personal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3134.185, "end": 3135.465, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3135.705, "end": 3137.205, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3143.905, "end": 3147.625, "text": "And that motion is carried on growth application and provenance area structure plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3148.085, "end": 3152.925, "text": "Carried 11 to 4 with Councilor Schmidt, Kelly, Atkinson, and Clark opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3153.685, "end": 3157.445, "text": "Over to 7.14. Back to you, Counselor McClay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 3157.865, "end": 3158.585, "text": "No, that's forward two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3158.585, "end": 3160.725, "text": "Oh, sorry, got Counselor Wyness." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 3160.785, "end": 3165.985, "text": "Thank you. Uh I am moving it. This was only to vote against by one counselor, so everyone please I'll support it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 3166.205, "end": 3168.545, "text": "Uh we have a lot of development happening. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3168.745, "end": 3169.825, "text": "Second my Councillor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3170.765, "end": 3172.085, "text": "Any further debate on this one?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3175.245, "end": 3179.345, "text": "All right. You're closed. Uh let's engage the vote, please. 7.14." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3180.665, "end": 3181.965, "text": "Glacier Ridge area structure point." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3199.845, "end": 3201.545, "text": "Councillor Clark, your vote please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3201.865, "end": 3202.825, "text": "Counselor Clark is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3203.805, "end": 3204.965, "text": "Absent. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3206.285, "end": 3207.705, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3207.905, "end": 3209.225, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3213.085, "end": 3217.905, "text": "And that motion is carried 11 to 3 with Councilor Schmidt, Kelly Atkinson opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3219.705, "end": 3224.305, "text": "All right, let's move down the line here to 7.25 business licenses audit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3225.405, "end": 3227.305, "text": "We have questions, I believe, from Counselor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 3229.365, "end": 3230.365, "text": "Yeah, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 3232.045, "end": 3248.365, "text": "don't need uh presentation necessarily. I just wanted to dig in a little bit on the short-term licensing um side of the the audit. There was some specific pieces picked up and it's just when we've been talking about um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 3249.405, "end": 3272.985, "text": "Sort of inner city development over the last many days. Short term rentals has come up as sort of a pain point, I think, within these communities and some of the development that they're seeing. I wonder if you could give a high level of what you saw in terms of the uh short term rental uh piece of the business licensing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 3273.745, "end": 3274.485, "text": "uh audit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3278.545, "end": 3284.025, "text": "Okay, sorry. Bel Bischoff, Manager of Business Experience and Information Management. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3284.545, "end": 3290.305, "text": "sorry, Counselor Atkinson, are you asking about how the short-term rentals were viewed through the audit?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 3290.785, "end": 3311.525, "text": "Yeah, because there's notes in here around sort of like um the fee setting and cost recovery practices lacking some um like the rigor are around them uh like just if you can give that high level because I think like this is going to be something that's coming up out of maybe the the concerns we're having around inner city uh development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3311.985, "end": 3316.705, "text": "Yeah, so what um what that was about is um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3317.405, "end": 3362.025, "text": "Short-term rental changes to short-term rentals came to council in December of 2024. My predecessor took those forward, and those changes were implemented April 1st, 2025, last year. So we're still about to pass our first year of implementation, but what wasn't documented when the changes came in was setting the fees for primary, nonprimary, short term rentals, as well as documenting what we've seen is an increase in volume of short term rentals, definitely since last April. Some months were 200% months year over year, and we're sitting at about 30% now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 3362.845, "end": 3388.385, "text": "And one of the the pieces, the the fixes, if you will, is this quarterly um steering committee, the short term rental steering committee. Is it your sort of judgment that that will help to sort of rectify this over? We've seen just this past year, not even of this program, that we're on the right course, that things are the the vector is up, I guess, on short term rentals in that program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3388.745, "end": 3414.465, "text": "Yes, so we started having the short-term rental working group internal committee last year, and it's proven to be very beneficial. It gets everybody at the table, fire, police, our enforcement team, as well as my team. So yeah, that will be sort of used going forward to recognize the volume if we need to make changes to staffing, et cetera." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 3414.665, "end": 3428.705, "text": "That's great. Thank you. Yeah, I I don't have too many concerns. I've actually heard positive things from community that things are getting better. I just uh specifically wanted to dive into that because it's noted a couple times within the audit. So thank you for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3430.605, "end": 3432.705, "text": "Thank you. Any further questions on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3434.065, "end": 3437.545, "text": "Gonna uh move by Councillor Weinus, second by Councilor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3438.405, "end": 3440.465, "text": "All right, uh over to Councilor Johnson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 3442.025, "end": 3446.325, "text": "Sorry, I didn't see in the report about online payments for business licensing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 3447.965, "end": 3449.805, "text": "Are we thinking about bringing that back?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3452.525, "end": 3457.665, "text": "Uh thank you for the question. I believe we still have online payments for business licensee. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 3459.625, "end": 3459.965, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 3460.585, "end": 3461.705, "text": "I can talk to you after. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3461.705, "end": 3462.545, "text": "Okay. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3465.585, "end": 3466.865, "text": "All right, any further on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3469.785, "end": 3470.785, "text": "Seeing none," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3471.405, "end": 3473.525, "text": "uh I think Councilor Weinus, you're closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3474.185, "end": 3475.645, "text": "All right, uh let's engage the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3487.625, "end": 3488.945, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3489.625, "end": 3491.225, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3497.425, "end": 3499.385, "text": "That motion is carried 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3500.665, "end": 3505.085, "text": "Believe that concludes the consent agitum consent agenda item selected for debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3505.745, "end": 3508.745, "text": "We will now move to 9.3 administration reports." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3509.065, "end": 3509.525, "text": "We're on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3510.045, "end": 3511.445, "text": "9.3.1" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3511.825, "end": 3514.705, "text": "2026 Calgary Awards recommended recipients." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3515.185, "end": 3516.825, "text": "Can I please have a mover for the item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3517.945, "end": 3520.085, "text": "Move by Councilor Kelly, seconded by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3522.285, "end": 3523.125, "text": "Councilor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3523.785, "end": 3525.665, "text": "Deputy Mary Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3526.525, "end": 3530.525, "text": "Any uh further debate on this? If so, uh we'd have to move into closed session." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 3531.745, "end": 3532.325, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3533.545, "end": 3536.285, "text": "All right, uh seeing no uh debate on this, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3543.145, "end": 3544.645, "text": "Is there a presentation, Madam Clerk?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3546.345, "end": 3550.805, "text": "There is a brief presentation if Council would like, or alternatively, we're happy to just take questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3551.605, "end": 3553.525, "text": "Any questions on this, Council?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3556.945, "end": 3559.825, "text": "All right, seeing none, uh Councilor Kelly, would you like to close on the item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 3561.605, "end": 3581.845, "text": "Yeah, I just want to thank administration for all your work on this. Uh Calgary Awards are an important thing for that we do every single year. It's a great opportunity for us to be able to recognize some absolutely amazing Calgarians. Uh and thank you to the committee that uh uh selected all the recipients. You did amazing work. Uh happy to uh to uh give a rubber stamp here today to uh to your selections." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3582.985, "end": 3586.085, "text": "Thank you so much, uh, Councilor Kelly. Let's uh engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3597.425, "end": 3598.865, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3599.065, "end": 3600.565, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3603.405, "end": 3607.145, "text": "on the Calgary Awards recommended recipients. That motion is carried 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3607.645, "end": 3612.705, "text": "We'll take just a moment here to get ready for 9.3.2 ward boundary determination" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3613.085, "end": 3614.905, "text": "and review policy changes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3619.185, "end": 3620.385, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3620.465, "end": 3622.205, "text": "I'm sorry, I think I'm gonna need a presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3622.545, "end": 3623.265, "text": "You will? Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3623.965, "end": 3641.925, "text": "Well, after six days sitting on that side of the bar, this is this is a nice treat, so thank you. Um Kate Martin, uh City Clerk, returning officer. I'm joined by Andrew Brouwer, the substitute returning officer, assistant director. We do have a brief presentation which we will walk counsel through. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3642.565, "end": 3643.945, "text": "So Council, we are here" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3644.165, "end": 3652.525, "text": "to ask you to adopt amendments to the ward boundary determination and review policy that is set out in your attachment to. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3654.005, "end": 3675.545, "text": "So very briefly, in terms of previous council direction, back in 2025, January 28th, council directed that with respect to a report, the following amendments be approved. That recommendation 14 from the Ward Boundary Commission be adopted, and that is to ensure that the name of a future commission be referred by its primary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3675.985, "end": 3722.125, "text": "Mandate. Next, council directed recommendation 15 of the Ward Boundary Commission be adopted, and that is that our policy be amended to provide that the Ward Boundary Commission be appointed to lead the review of all future ward boundaries impacting communities. This would be regardless of the number of the wards that require adjustment. Any ward boundary adjustments that are minor and have been previously adopted by council, those ones would continue to be led by myself and the city clerk's office. And lastly, recommendation number 16 from the ward boundary commission would be to adopt amendments to the policy to remove section 6.1.2, and that's the total elector, and that the next ward boundary commission examine the policy criteria to ensure its continued relevance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3722.445, "end": 3727.825, "text": "Of note, I will also mention that the last ward boundary commission that was established by council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3728.285, "end": 3729.485, "text": "did not review" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3729.725, "end": 3734.705, "text": "the number of wards. The previous city council back in 2023" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3735.005, "end": 3740.965, "text": "directed that the ward boundary commission be established to review the effectiveness of the 14 wards" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3741.165, "end": 3745.765, "text": "with no changes to the number of counselors or to review the ward boundaries." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3746.465, "end": 3748.305, "text": "With that, I'll turn it over to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3749.025, "end": 3751.125, "text": "Assistant Director Brouwer. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3753.945, "end": 3760.645, "text": "So the Municipal Government Act authorizes council to create, change, add, or remove wards by bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3761.245, "end": 3771.285, "text": "Any bylaw that changes ward boundaries must be passed December 31st of the year preceding a general election where the change is intended to have effect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3772.145, "end": 3786.765, "text": "Municipal ward boundaries, like federal and provincial electoral boundaries, are reviewed periodically to maintain relatively equal population, and sometimes that's called population parity. And that is intended to support effective representation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3787.645, "end": 3790.045, "text": "This principle is established in case law." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3790.865, "end": 3802.125, "text": "Although a population parity is the primary factor in adjusting ward boundaries, additional considerations may include, for example, keeping community districts intact within a single ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3803.145, "end": 3811.465, "text": "using major roadways or natural features as clear boundary lines, and ensuring boundaries are easily understood and identifiable by the public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3812.285, "end": 3817.305, "text": "The policy outlines the roles, processes, and criteria to guide the review process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3817.485, "end": 3827.665, "text": "The policy provides that the allowable deviation is plus or minus 15% and maximum is 25% from the mean ward population or elector count." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3828.065, "end": 3830.785, "text": "Based on the most recent federal census data," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3831.225, "end": 3840.725, "text": "wards fall within acceptable deviations, meaning that no changes are required in advance of the 2029 general election. Details are outlined on the next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3841.725, "end": 3842.445, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3843.765, "end": 3871.645, "text": "So obviously, we know the city has grown significantly since the 2021 federal census was taken, and our estimations show that growth, as you can see in attachment four. In addition to being a policy requirement, it is best practice to refer to the most recent available census data, which can be analyzed at a community and board level rather than population estimations. This ensures accuracy and avoids errors which may have been introduced through the estimation model." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3872.245, "end": 3880.565, "text": "It also ensures the process is credible and lasting as changes to ward boundaries impact the communities and businesses to which they are associated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3881.265, "end": 3892.145, "text": "We will have access to ward-level population census data in time to conduct a review in the 2029 term of council for implementation in a 2033 term." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3892.765, "end": 3893.365, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3895.505, "end": 3917.325, "text": "So this report also presents the amendments to the policy as Kate outlined, which guides the ward boundary reviews, and that's found in attachment two. The change aligns with the Commission's recommendations 15 and 16, which eliminates the distinction between citywide and minor reviews, recognizes one type of review that is a responsibility of the Commission, and removes the term total electors." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3918.085, "end": 3925.925, "text": "The proposed policy has also been updated into the new council policy template and incorporates changes to improve clarity and readability." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3926.405, "end": 3932.885, "text": "The summary of changes is provided in attachment six and a red line version of the policy is provided in attachment seven." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3934.625, "end": 3936.645, "text": "Thank you, Andrew. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3937.105, "end": 3943.565, "text": "So, in conclusion, Council, our recommendation today is for you to amend the Ward Boundary Determination and Review Policy" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3943.805, "end": 3946.525, "text": "set out on attachment to, and that is to implement" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3946.805, "end": 3950.065, "text": "the three distinct recommendations from the Ward Boundary Commission." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 3950.445, "end": 3952.225, "text": "Andrew and I are happy to take your questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3953.065, "end": 3954.505, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3958.265, "end": 3960.325, "text": "Uh yes, thank you for um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3961.745, "end": 3964.125, "text": "this report and proposed amendments to the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3964.405, "end": 3965.845, "text": "I I guess the question for me is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3966.345, "end": 3968.765, "text": "having gone through this process numerous times now and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3969.085, "end": 3969.465, "text": "even" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3969.865, "end": 3971.865, "text": "having redrawn the boundaries myself once." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3973.345, "end": 3973.745, "text": "Um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3974.105, "end": 3975.465, "text": "I guess the question for me is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3975.605, "end": 3975.945, "text": "how" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3977.005, "end": 3978.225, "text": "how certain are we that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3978.425, "end": 3983.265, "text": "the the n numbers are not gonna exceed the plus or minus twenty five percent," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3983.565, "end": 3986.325, "text": "especially in Ward Five. It's sitting at a hundred and sixty" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3986.805, "end": 3990.185, "text": "thousand there, it's already at plus whatever, fourteen percent or something." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3990.785, "end": 3996.025, "text": "And and that's based on an old census and it's growing in leaps and bounds. And so the question for me is," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3996.465, "end": 3998.225, "text": "will it exceed that number and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3999.005, "end": 4001.145, "text": "and how much time does it actually take" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4001.765, "end": 4004.425, "text": "to make the adjustments to the ward boundaries?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4005.605, "end": 4007.485, "text": "Perhaps I'll start and then I'll ask the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4008.185, "end": 4010.205, "text": "Assistant Director to complete the answer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4014.225, "end": 4019.945, "text": "We certainly know that the population in the city of Calgary has." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4020.165, "end": 4021.425, "text": "Has grown exponentially." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4021.685, "end": 4023.485, "text": "We definitely know that that has happened." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4023.885, "end": 4032.425, "text": "The electric count data that you're looking at is more recent. The electric count data came from Elections Alberta, and that's the data that we used" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4032.765, "end": 4033.885, "text": "for the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4034.385, "end": 4038.045, "text": "creation of the permanent electoral register for the 2025 general election." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4038.625, "end": 4047.305, "text": "That being said, the Wor Boundary Commission's recommendation is to remove the electoral count. So if you're concerned about that plus minus 25," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4047.625, "end": 4051.505, "text": "Those numbers are closer on the electric count than they are on the population." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4051.825, "end": 4055.585, "text": "So the electric count will be removed based on the recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4055.885, "end": 4063.205, "text": "The population as it sits right now, it's not close to that 2025. That being said, as the city continues to grow," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4063.605, "end": 4069.825, "text": "it's possible. We will have the next data from the Federal Civic Census" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4070.245, "end": 4071.345, "text": "2027," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4071.925, "end": 4072.405, "text": "correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4073.645, "end": 4074.145, "text": "Thank you three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4074.145, "end": 4079.925, "text": "Q3. Q3 2027, we will know what the results of the federal civic census are." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4080.425, "end": 4085.845, "text": "It takes time to establish a commission. That's why we are projecting that that work would start" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4086.105, "end": 4087.905, "text": "following the 2029 election." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4089.925, "end": 4090.745, "text": "Yeah, no, it it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4091.325, "end": 4092.725, "text": "I guess it it comes down to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4093.545, "end": 4094.225, "text": "uh timing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4095.565, "end": 4097.045, "text": "from my perspective. It's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4097.945, "end": 4101.725, "text": "how long does it take to actually establish that commission and and then subsequently" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4102.165, "end": 4105.625, "text": "upload all the data into the software to make the determination of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4105.765, "end": 4106.105, "text": "where the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4106.105, "end": 4107.085, "text": "It will be extensive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4109.245, "end": 4110.765, "text": "Yeah. I know I'm not sure that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4111.365, "end": 4113.585, "text": "that I agree that we won't exceed that that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4114.005, "end": 4114.985, "text": "sort of threshold." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4115.665, "end": 4119.225, "text": "And that's why I was hoping that there'd be an opportunity to pivot at some point. And then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4119.605, "end": 4123.285, "text": "what would be that point? I thought we were actually doing a census ourselves this year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4123.525, "end": 4130.405, "text": "We are Counselor Chabot. So administration and planning and development services is building out a census." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4130.685, "end": 4133.525, "text": "That census will also happen in 2027." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4133.805, "end": 4139.025, "text": "So we won't have the community andor the word specific data. That's not an estimate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4139.325, "end": 4143.865, "text": "But the actual data, we wouldn't have access to that until late into twenty twenty seven." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4144.225, "end": 4146.745, "text": "With a commission being established in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4147.005, "end": 4147.785, "text": "in twenty eight," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4148.045, "end": 4154.325, "text": "that will not be sufficient time for us to prepare word boundaries as well as execute on the twenty twenty-five general election." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4154.545, "end": 4157.005, "text": "I guess the saving grace here is that in Ward five," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4157.305, "end": 4159.745, "text": "the number of of eligible voters" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4160.205, "end": 4160.665, "text": "is not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4161.005, "end": 4161.525, "text": "that high." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4163.425, "end": 4163.805, "text": "It's just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4165.805, "end": 4167.745, "text": "it's it's uh it's lower than uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4168.165, "end": 4171.285, "text": "than most wards. So I I guess it's not going to be that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4171.825, "end": 4172.285, "text": "off" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4172.625, "end": 4173.605, "text": "from the rest of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4174.065, "end": 4178.565, "text": "Rest of the wards, I guess. So I I guess, like I said, that's the only saving grace from my perspective." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4178.985, "end": 4180.965, "text": "Okay, that's it for questions for me. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4182.145, "end": 4183.205, "text": "All right, Councilor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4184.425, "end": 4185.045, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4185.525, "end": 4205.605, "text": "my my first question you just answered with Councillor Chabot in terms of when is the Civic Census coming. Um and uh just to confirm that that when we bring the Civic Census, that first one will be, as you said, late 2027. Um and Q3 2027 is when you expect federal census data, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4206.265, "end": 4226.845, "text": "Yeah, actually if I can clarify the federal census ward level data probably Q4 2027 or Q1 2028 and then with regard to the Civic Census Q3 2027. So provided the implementation for the Civic Census is on track, that's the estimated time for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4226.845, "end": 4231.205, "text": "Got it. Flip flip them around. Didn't didn't actually make things any better there, Mr. Brown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4231.205, "end": 4245.805, "text": "Well that's right. And and it is as Kate mentions a lengthy process that does involve a lot of community consultation as well. So that is part of the process, right? So the scenarios that the commission develops have to be vetted through the community, so you have to allow time for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4246.545, "end": 4248.425, "text": "And then second question, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4249.065, "end": 4272.945, "text": "Huge thank you for the red line version, uh attachment seven. I feel like we've asked for that before and we got it here. So thank you, admin. We really appreciate that. That's great. Um didn't look like there's anything too significant here. Uh correct me if I'm wrong, the largest thing is removing the electric count and and putting the the focus exclusively on population. Was there anything else in there uh that that you would say was uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4273.345, "end": 4274.165, "text": "significant?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4274.565, "end": 4315.305, "text": "Uh thank you, Councilor Kelly. I would say that certainly you've picked up on the most significant change, and that is the elimination of the electrocount. The second one would be to no longer have that distinction between a minor ward adjustment versus a major. I think that's really important for council to consider. It was a recommendation of the word boundary. As you know, the minute we start looking at one or two wards, there's so many impacts to the entire city. And with the growth in population, the recommendation was that it is the commission that's independent, it's established by council that they take a look at the word boundary review irregardless of how many wards are impacted, versus previously, that was the work done by the city clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4315.465, "end": 4327.905, "text": "Uh thank you. I yeah, I did catch that and I appreciate it because uh it always bothered me. I didn't know what a minor ward boundary uh amendment was, especially for people living in that community. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4329.025, "end": 4344.405, "text": "last question, I guess, and forgive me, I'm new here. Uh there were other recommendations that the that the commission brought forward. Uh were those handled already by the previous council, or are you expecting additional uh um recommendations for us to be able to manage in the coming months?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4344.645, "end": 4367.885, "text": "That's a very good question as well. So the commission provided the previous council with a total of 16 recommendations, I believe. Some recommendations were adopted, some were not. What is before council today are the three recommendations that were related to the city clerk's office with respect to word boundaries. There's further recommendations that were adopted, but they're all following on different timelines" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4368.085, "end": 4370.385, "text": "and different tracks within administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4370.705, "end": 4377.885, "text": "To give you a brief example, in June you will see us again with some of the recommendations that were related to civic engagement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4378.285, "end": 4386.625, "text": "But our colleagues in human resources are working on some of the recommendations with respect to human resources and those will be coming from them independently." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4387.005, "end": 4405.685, "text": "We maybe get uh just by circulation to council at some point uh just an update in terms of where those recommendations are at in the process, just so that we have a better idea. Apologies to the four returning counselors. You may already know this information of what you've dealt with before, but for us who are new, uh it would be good to know where the rest of those recommendations are at." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4405.825, "end": 4418.405, "text": "Absolutely happy to do so. And I will just point out that within this report and the package, recommendations 14, 15, and 16, the full text of those we did provide to you so you can see the recommendations from the commission in their own words." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4419.205, "end": 4419.765, "text": "Thank you, worship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4420.545, "end": 4424.025, "text": "Thank you. Councilor Kelly, you've moved the item. Can I get a seconder, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 4424.885, "end": 4428.585, "text": "Councilor Clark. All right, over to Councilor Panazopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4428.885, "end": 4431.285, "text": "Thank you, Madam Clerk. And I really appreciate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4431.985, "end": 4435.345, "text": "expressing the challenges we face given the lack of good information." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4435.765, "end": 4439.045, "text": "2021 last census, we all know the city has grown exponentially." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4439.685, "end": 4441.445, "text": "But I just want to poke at that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4442.185, "end": 4451.245, "text": "by not using an estimation, we're adding errors. But we know with great certainty that 2021 is wrong. The population of Calgary is not that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4452.085, "end": 4452.525, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4453.505, "end": 4458.405, "text": "I don't want to say what's the harm, but we know there's been exponential growth, hundreds of thousands of people moving." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4458.665, "end": 4461.145, "text": "Why not take a chance? The electoral" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4461.665, "end": 4467.185, "text": "is the most current number, and I recognize that it's imperfect. However, we now have a situation where" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4467.645, "end": 4471.045, "text": "in certain wards there is almost a hundred percent difference" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4471.405, "end": 4472.265, "text": "in voters," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4472.805, "end": 4473.365, "text": "where" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4473.545, "end": 4480.685, "text": "the ratio was generally 60%, use that as a baseline, and now some wards are 85 90 percent. That just tells me instinctively that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4480.945, "end": 4482.465, "text": "that ward now is disproportionate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4482.825, "end": 4494.085, "text": "Given the fact that we won't have a change until 2031, we could be 2 million. I mean, that is a hundred percent change. So we're gonna have potentially boundaries where sit award has 200,000 citizens and one is a hundred. So maybe just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4494.465, "end": 4495.985, "text": "I I recognize it's imperfect," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4497.405, "end": 4501.785, "text": "but what we're using is imperfect. So so why not even give it a consideration or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4502.145, "end": 4507.165, "text": "what could be possible based on triangulating six or seven different analyses?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4508.125, "end": 4511.965, "text": "Why didn't the commission come to that conclusion based on the realities of the lack of data?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4514.385, "end": 4524.445, "text": "I can just maybe speak to the estimation model, and then perhaps our our colleagues can can round out an answer here too. I do know that the estimates measure new builds," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4524.765, "end": 4529.045, "text": "but they don't track moving occupancy rates, so there's a there's a gap in there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4529.505, "end": 4530.625, "text": "Um I don't know if our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4533.125, "end": 4537.705, "text": "maybe just in terms of the actual um data that's used in the estimations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4539.045, "end": 4562.185, "text": "Sure. Patrick Saunders from Growth Analytics. We do do actually that thing. We track population on estimates. We found from estimating the number of addresses or building permits and then attributing an occupancy rate to it, the numbers we get are just quite off. They're so far within a margin of error that we just don't feel comfortable releasing them. So while we can do it," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4562.625, "end": 4565.805, "text": "to Andrew's point, it's just not something we'd feel comfortable in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4566.705, "end": 4569.825, "text": "They're off because you go back check it when the census comes into yours?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4570.085, "end": 4576.945, "text": "Yeah. Um and the occupancy rates just vary quite a bit um across the city um over time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4577.785, "end": 4579.445, "text": "Could you use a different" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4580.145, "end": 4587.785, "text": "uh health, Alberta health, the the voter list, et cetera? Like using one, I get it, but if you used four or five or ten different metrics, could you get a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4588.505, "end": 4593.405, "text": "You uh uh the more you used, I suppose, the more the better more accurate it would become. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4593.865, "end": 4598.345, "text": "you know we haven't actually looked into using health records or anything because we just we don't have access to those right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4598.785, "end": 4605.985, "text": "I just challenge, you know, we're basing it on the fifteen and twenty-five percent, and that's a Supreme Court ruling, but it's very clear that is not prescriptive. What the court said was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4606.405, "end": 4615.005, "text": "as you get closer to those numbers, you have to have better and better explanation, quite frankly. You know, if it's at 1%, who cares? 24.9%, you better have a story." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4615.525, "end": 4626.645, "text": "If the story is just we're just not comfortable, like what is our story to justify a negative 25% voter count to a negative 24 point, positive 24.9? That's a 50 percent. What's our story" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4627.365, "end": 4629.585, "text": "that supports not making an amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4629.865, "end": 4636.685, "text": "Perhaps I can help. So there's there's a couple elements to the story. The first one I would I would say is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4637.085, "end": 4659.565, "text": "Council recruited a Ward Boundary Commission of experts that dove into these issues the previous council policy and they provided recommendations. It was the recommendation of those experts not to look at the electoral count. So anything that you are looking at, if we can maybe go back to slide five," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4660.165, "end": 4661.325, "text": "it was the table." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4662.265, "end": 4678.725, "text": "Right there. So anything that is approaching 2025 is what the Ward Boundary Commission is staying not to look at. That is the amendment that will be coming out. Therefore, we have to focus on the population deviations. And those population deviations, with the exception of I think it's ward" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4679.305, "end": 4695.945, "text": "five as well as seven, where they are getting close to 15, they are still quite far off from the minus 25. So that's the first point. The second point is it's an estimation. So we do not have reliable data upon which we can go to the communities and engage." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4696.665, "end": 4752.365, "text": "Ward boundaries were recently changed in 2021. So they came into effect in 2021. There was extensive community engagement to see the wards as they currently are. So those have only been in place for four years. It is a risk to take population data from planning who themselves don't believe it's complete. So that would be a risk to go into the community and say, here is an estimate. And then the third piece of the story that we are unfortunately faced with is the policy framework, not just in Calgary, but throughout various municipalities and jurisdictions, it ties ward boundary assessments to the census. It ties it to the factual data. It's not tied to estimates. So I think if council is going to consider bringing and establishing a ward boundary commission, the task for them, as was recommended by the previous one, would be to stay with the census data." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4752.645, "end": 4756.865, "text": "so that they are making those informed decisions, so that when they go out to conduct" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4757.485, "end": 4761.365, "text": "Extensive engagement with the communities that will impact them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4761.605, "end": 4791.765, "text": "They will have data. But counselor, I completely hear you and I acknowledge that our data as we're presenting it, it's not perfect. We know that it's dated. And I'm hoping that I can work with counsel through some of my the other opportunities that I have as clerk to see how can I support you in your ward offices? How do we look at your budgets? How do we look at your structures? What can we do to support you so that you can then in turn support your constituents that you know are growing in numbers?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4791.765, "end": 4817.225, "text": "No, no, thanks for for bringing that together. And I recognize for the next election it's the absolute right to use the census, and we will continue to use that. That's the right. We're just in this this once in a lifetime, once in a generation, 100,000 people moving to the city of Calgary, give or take. And you can just see the perpetual, not knowing our numbers. Today in council, the CEO talked about 1.6 million Calgarians. I talked about 1.7 and the near angels are a number. One thing I did want to bring that electric count. I actually" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4817.465, "end": 4818.145, "text": "And and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4818.385, "end": 4821.545, "text": "disappointed that's being excluded. I mean, fundamentally," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4821.965, "end": 4828.245, "text": "the 72,912 people in Ward 6 are the ones that are voting. And I recognize we represent all Calgarians." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4828.625, "end": 4833.925, "text": "But by taking that out, you now have a situation where you could have," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4834.365, "end": 4837.045, "text": "let's go to Ward 11 that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4837.725, "end": 4846.805, "text": "Based on the growth, will have double what another ward has from a voter perspective. And that's double the work, and that's double the voice. And I just excluding that," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4847.325, "end": 4867.645, "text": "we referenced the court case again, and it was 15% elector and 25% voter. So the court was very clear they wanted that. So if we're gonna use that as a basis for our 15% and it's in your documentation, how can we exclude that? What was the logic of those are the voters for the city of Calgary? They're the ones that put the X next to our name, and that doesn't give them certain privileges." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4868.265, "end": 4884.765, "text": "But they're the ones that vote this council and mayor and why exclude that when we're thinking about ward boundaries? One thing if if there's allocation of capital and dollars, a hundred percent. You're a Calgarian through and through, but for voting on a ward, you're gonna have a hundred percent difference. What was the logic from the the panel of experts?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4884.925, "end": 4900.365, "text": "So I cannot speak on behalf of the Word Boundary Commission and how they got to the uh recommendation, but I can read their words. Um so I I I quote um the Word Boundary Commission recommendation um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4900.765, "end": 4944.125, "text": "Leans on section 6.1.2 of the policy, which provides that the total elector count is intended to be relatively equal between the wards. The objective is difficult to address given the size of the wards, the settlement patterns of newcomers and households with persons under the age of 18. The word boundary then continued to say. Moreover, Section 153A of the Municipal Government Act provides that members of council consider the welfare and interests of the municipality as a whole and bring to council's attention anything that would promote the welfare of interests of the municipality. Members of council represent constituents regardless of whether they qualify as an elector under the Local Authorities Election Act." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4944.725, "end": 4949.305, "text": "The Ward Boundary Commission then continued. It is anticipated that Ward Boundaries will be reviewed" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4949.505, "end": 4952.925, "text": "in 2025. Perhaps they did not know we would not have the data" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 4953.345, "end": 4967.845, "text": "because of significant population increases in recent years. As part of that work, it is recommended that the next Ward Boundary Commission examine the policy criteria again to ensure its continued relevance. So their words are set out in attachment five." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4968.045, "end": 4997.605, "text": "No, thanks for bringing that up. Hey, recognize it. I think it's it's uh I respectfully disagree with them on certain points, but regardless, that's why we hire experts to come in and put there. And I think it's just important. Uh you know, I think you spoke about addressing it through budget and recognizing that we we could wake up in 2031 and there could be a ward office dealing with 200,000 Calgaryans and another ward office dealing with something substantially less, and and if we have ways to address that. So thank you very much for putting the report together and unfortunately let it be known to other future councils" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4997.965, "end": 5006.665, "text": "when they want to get rid of a census, God help us all. The million dollars, we need it no matter what, and that should be priority one from every single budget going forward. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5006.665, "end": 5007.245, "text": "You're very welcome." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5008.025, "end": 5009.305, "text": "Thank you, Councilor McClank, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5010.005, "end": 5022.765, "text": "Uh thank you, Mayor. Just to follow up on kind of where Councillor Kelly was going with previous administration and direction and council discussions. But first I want to apologize for calling you out old habits die hard last council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5030.185, "end": 5040.625, "text": "What he was talking about was, and maybe this isn't really before us, but as our ward boundaries, our wards grow, we've talked about adding counselors and adding boundaries." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5040.905, "end": 5051.105, "text": "I don't know if we want to speak to that. What triggers that? How that works. Where do we fit two more counselors in here? But could you maybe just can update? Because we've had some of these discussions in the past. And so please" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5051.105, "end": 5067.345, "text": "Yeah, happ happy to just bear with me. Uh we have to go back a little bit in time. So following the twenty seventeen general election, at that point in time council uh directed that the returning officer come back following the twenty twenty one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5067.905, "end": 5111.545, "text": "General election to examine the number of counselors. So Assistant Director Brouwer and I came to council during the 2021 term with two options for council's consideration. The first option was to establish a Ward Boundary Commission to look at increasing the number of counselors. So the Ward Boundary Commission would have conducted the research, they would have done the work, they would have come back with a recommendation. The second option was to stay within the 14, but to look at how can a council of 14 members plus mayor, how can they work more effectively within the existing boundaries? The decision of the 2021 term council was to stay at the 14 wards and 14 counselors model." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5111.725, "end": 5115.545, "text": "So there was no change to the increase in members of council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5115.785, "end": 5119.465, "text": "When the Ward Boundary Commission came and presented their 16 recommendations," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5119.625, "end": 5124.205, "text": "they were all with respect to effectiveness and how you stay working within the boundaries." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5124.965, "end": 5125.965, "text": "Going forward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5126.265, "end": 5133.465, "text": "it will be the decision of council at some point in time to decide if you would like the next Ward Boundary Commission to re examine that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5133.785, "end": 5144.545, "text": "So when we bring the bylaw forward to establish, that could be part of the mandate. You could then set out as part of the bylaw to direct the Ward Boundary Commission to look at changes in members of council composition." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5145.665, "end": 5147.125, "text": "thanks for that. I've always" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5147.605, "end": 5152.145, "text": "kind of liked the status quo because it costs a lot of money. But if you look at the provincial" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5152.425, "end": 5156.185, "text": "writings in the federal, like they're they're substantially smaller. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5156.465, "end": 5158.725, "text": "we do more work than anybody." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5159.705, "end": 5160.525, "text": "So good for us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5161.145, "end": 5170.385, "text": "And Councillor McLean, I didn't answer the last part of your question, how to fit more counselors into the space. We will work with our colleagues in um in facilities and administration" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5170.785, "end": 5172.105, "text": "to see how that's possible." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5174.385, "end": 5175.065, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5176.345, "end": 5178.045, "text": "All right, uh Councillor Dollywell, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5178.445, "end": 5183.125, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. Uh something just got um something triggered there. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5183.785, "end": 5189.885, "text": "our criteria is based on electoral count deviation or population deviation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5190.365, "end": 5196.065, "text": "So to clarify, right now, under the existing in-force council policy, it's both." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5196.225, "end": 5229.705, "text": "So that the way that the policy is written is we look at population and we look at electric count. The Ward Boundary Commission that was established by previous council following their work, they recommended that you don't look at the electric count. So the amendment that is before you is to delete the electorate count because it aligns with the requirements in the municipal government act that council represents constituents, regardless of whether they vote uh pursuant to the local authorities election act. So if the amendments pass today, it will only be population deviation go forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5229.845, "end": 5253.865, "text": "Yeah, no, I I totally agree with it because if you're not a electoral doesn't then mean that you can't call 311 or we'll ask them, hey, look, you can't vote for me, you can't call 311. We serve all. Um and this data is 2021. I can tell you for for sure we are not at 106, we are at 120,000. So we are anyways. Thanks for the clarification. That's it for me, Mayor. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5255.185, "end": 5256.145, "text": "Thank you. Anyone else?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5257.905, "end": 5258.125, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5258.385, "end": 5259.865, "text": "Back to Councilor Kelly to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5263.565, "end": 5265.525, "text": "Uh thanks, administration, for bringing this forward close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5267.465, "end": 5269.605, "text": "All right. Madam Clerk, let's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5270.045, "end": 5271.205, "text": "please engage the evote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 5290.885, "end": 5292.185, "text": "Councillor Shabot, you vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 5298.425, "end": 5301.205, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Johnston, your vote please. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 5301.405, "end": 5302.505, "text": "Mayor Farkas will votes are it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5304.285, "end": 5304.825, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5305.245, "end": 5306.385, "text": "Please display the result." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5309.625, "end": 5312.905, "text": "That motion is carried 14 to 1 with Councillor Prantozopoulos opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5313.585, "end": 5318.865, "text": "We'll move now to 9.3.3 outline for creation of a standing policy on finance," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5319.405, "end": 5321.765, "text": "standing policy committee on finance, budget, and corporate services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5322.385, "end": 5325.165, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. So this is still my item, Kate Martin." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5325.625, "end": 5326.245, "text": "City Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5326.585, "end": 5332.145, "text": "For this presentation, I will be joined by Deputy City Clerk Fraser as well as CFO Tucker." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5332.425, "end": 5336.765, "text": "We do have a brief presentation if Council would like, or I'm happy to proceed directly to questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5339.525, "end": 5341.125, "text": "Council, is a presentation required?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5342.945, "end": 5345.645, "text": "Yeah. All right. Counselor Jamison's request one. Yeah, please go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5345.845, "end": 5347.505, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5348.225, "end": 5351.585, "text": "So, Council, the recommendation within our report is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5351.865, "end": 5355.345, "text": "Council receive this report for the corporate record. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5356.265, "end": 5367.185, "text": "In terms of highlights and what brought us here, Council directed us to bring forward a report outlining the creation of a new standing policy committee on finance, budget, and corporate services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5367.525, "end": 5429.785, "text": "Establishing a new standing policy committee on finance, budget, and corporate services would require three main changes to council's existing governance structure. The first one would be updates to the procedure bylaw to align the composition, the role, the mandate, and the powers of the proposed standing policy committee to ensure that there is alignment with council's existing committees. Next, funding would be required, and that would be in two parts. City Clerk's office would be looking for a limited-term funding resource in order to establish this committee. And our colleagues with the CFO's office would be looking for permanent resourcing to manage the workload, and they will speak to that momentarily. And lastly, the last adjustment would be adjustments to the entire governance process. So these would be adjustments that would include appointments of counselors to standing policy committees. It would be updates to the existing council calendar that would include scheduling additional legislative meetings of a standing policy committee. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5431.565, "end": 5435.605, "text": "And to walk you through the details, I will turn the presentation over to Deputy City Clerk Fraser." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5436.605, "end": 5477.325, "text": "Thank you, Clerk Martin. In greater detail, then, there are five key elements of the outline we prepared in creating a standing policy committee on budget, finance, and corporate services. The first element is the need to determine the alignment of the proposed standing policy committee with the current mandate of executive committee, which includes finance and budgeting issues and corporate planning. I will explore the implications of that transition on the next slide. The second element is funding capacity for administration reporting, as Clerk Martin mentioned, to standing policy committees and legislative meeting support. Corporate planning and financial services has identified funding requirements for administration reporting in attachment three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5477.705, "end": 5502.605, "text": "Funding requirements for legislative meeting support in the City Clerk's Office are set out in attachment two in some detail. And as Clerk Martin mentioned, the City Clerk's Office proposes $283,000 of funding for a two year limited term legislative specialist resource to support the workload associated with additional legislative meetings and related public participation, after which the city clerk's office would assess the need for permanent funding." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5503.025, "end": 5526.225, "text": "The next element of the outline is the need to amend Procedure By Law 42M 2025 to establish the Standing Policy Committee, including establishing it. So standing policy committees are established in the procedure bylaw, so amendments to the procedure bylaw would be required to establish a new standing policy committee. There are currently two standing policy committees the infrastructure and planning committee and the community development committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5526.505, "end": 5616.545, "text": "The next step would be to establish the mandate of the proposed standing policy committee. A new section would be inserted in the procedure bylaw with the mandate of the proposed standing policy committee being that which was proposed in the motion arising, including number one, providing oversight and advice to administration on the implementation of the four-year budget and annual budget adjustments, and number two, performing a detailed review of every department and business unit over the course of the four-year term. In addition, the amendments to the procedure bylaw would be required to set the composition of the standing policy committees. Currently, Appendix A of the procedure bylaw establishes the composition of standing policy committees and standing specialized committees, such as executive committee. The current standing policy committees are each comprised of seven counselors and the mayor as an ex officio member. Procedure bylaw also provides that each counselor must sit on one standing policy committee. Amendments to the procedure bylaw would need to establish the size of the standing policy committee and include an amendment to the rule that each counselor sit on one standing policy committee to enable counselors to sit on more than one standing policy committee. The next element of the outline is appointing counselors, a chair, and a vice chair. Section 130 of the procedure bylaw provides that council appoints counselors to sit in standing policy committees at the annual organizational meeting of council through a selection process involving a pro tem or temporary membership committee, which nominates seven counselors to sit on each of the existing standing policy committees for the following year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5616.745, "end": 5627.025, "text": "An amendment to the procedure bottle will be required to facilitate the appointment of counselors to the proposed Standing Policy Committee in advance of the 2026 October 20th Organizational Meeting of Council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5628.145, "end": 5685.685, "text": "Other considerations respecting appointments of members and a chair and a vice chair of the proposed standing policy committee include a need to consider the rule in Appendix A that a counselor must not serve as chair of the audit committee and as chair of the standing policy of a standing policy committee, excuse me. Amendments to the composition of executive committee may also need to be considered to adjust its composition, given that section 87 of the procedure bylaw provides that the chair of each standing policy committee is a member of the executive committee. And the final element of the outline is scheduling meetings of the proposed standing policy committee. If council proceeds to establish the proposed standing policy committee through amendments to the procedure bylaw, the appointments of counselors as members and the scheduling of meeting dates for the proposed standing policy committee could be done at the same time. The timing of the first meeting would be dependent on the timing of council direction and the work necessary to prepare the agenda and its materials." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5686.405, "end": 5704.305, "text": "It bears mentioning that as the 2026 Council calendar is already established, it may be necessary to schedule some of the meetings of the proposed Standing Policy Committee on Mondays and or Fridays to avoid conflicts for members of council with their obligations to council and other council committee meetings. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5706.065, "end": 5718.445, "text": "Executive Committee is a standing specialized committee, the mandate and powers of which are set out in the procedure by law, and the procedure by law provides that its mandate includes finance and budgeting as well as corporate planning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5719.725, "end": 5735.665, "text": "Given the overlap between these areas and the need to ensure clarity of the mandate and roles for these respective committees, as well as for the public and administration, the impacts of the proposed mandate for the proposed standing policy committee on the mandate of executive committee would need to be considered." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5736.625, "end": 5752.905, "text": "If the core aspects of the mandate proposed for the Standing Policy Committee on Budget, Finance and Corporate Services were established through amendments to the procedure bylaw, the mandate of Executive Committee over Finance and Budgeting Issues and Corporate Planning would functionally be transferred to the new Standing Policy Committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5753.565, "end": 5781.245, "text": "The residual mandate of the executive committee, if this division of mandate between the two council committees were to be implemented, would include items relating to people innovation and collaboration, recommending the naming of city-owned facilities, economic development, including the downtown strategy, and local and business economy. At this time, I would now like to invite Chief Financial Officer and General Manager of Corporate Planning and Financial Services, Les Tucker, to present the next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5781.525, "end": 5782.365, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5782.945, "end": 5783.685, "text": "Thanks, Jeremy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5785.205, "end": 5805.885, "text": "Mayor and members of council, I wanted to take a moment to address some of the items that were raised in the motion rising. It spoke to two specific items. One, strengthening council's oversight of the four year budget and annual adjustments, and two, ensuring every department business unit receives a detailed budget review." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5807.705, "end": 5813.105, "text": "Executive committee currently receives a quarterly report tied to the budget and adjustments, and this is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5813.805, "end": 5815.705, "text": "existing committee forum" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5815.865, "end": 5832.225, "text": "for oversight and advice to administration on budget related matters. And that continues to go forward. It has the variances in it as well. There's a conversation, discussion about the positive variants in a particular quarter and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5832.665, "end": 5838.165, "text": "Probability or around recommendations about what council could do in the current year with that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5839.125, "end": 5843.525, "text": "Council also receives monthly executive information reports starting each March," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5844.485, "end": 5860.985, "text": "which provide a monthly review of financial conditions similar to the quarterly report, but at a higher level. So that is the two page report. One side is on the operating with variances, and the second page is around the capital with our year to date and forecast variances." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5862.085, "end": 5892.125, "text": "To meet the detailed review of every department direction, we would be able to bring department financial reviews at executive committee beginning in May and starting with my department, Corporate Planning and Financial Services. And as was mentioned in the question period item, the format that we would propose to bring at that level and the level of detail would be the same level of detail within our reply to the inquiry that I mentioned earlier." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5894.505, "end": 5906.965, "text": "These reviews could be transitioned to the committee you are considering today if desired, but they could also start with more immediacy in the month of May going forward, depending on direction and interest." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5907.865, "end": 5923.265, "text": "These reviews concentrate on finances and examine and explain major variances year to date, but also speak to what would the forecast be and changes that occur between that reporting period and the end of the year. And with that, I'll hand it back over." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5924.865, "end": 5926.705, "text": "Thank you, CFO Tucker. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 5927.745, "end": 5935.285, "text": "So in conclusion, the recommendations of the report before you are that council receive the report for the corporate record, and we are happy to take your questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5936.205, "end": 5937.685, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Daliwell, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5940.125, "end": 5942.165, "text": "Sorry, that was on the previous item, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5943.385, "end": 5944.925, "text": "I apologize. Counselor McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5946.505, "end": 5947.125, "text": "Uh thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5947.725, "end": 5954.525, "text": "Um I think everybody likes this idea, but as you know, there's the next item coming up that we're going to be talking about zero based budgeting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5954.865, "end": 5956.445, "text": "There's a little bit of overlap is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5957.005, "end": 5961.145, "text": "I guess my question is is there a way to combine these things? Are we too far down the road now? But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5961.505, "end": 5967.105, "text": "you know, adding another whole standing policy committee is going to have its challenges. But could you maybe speak to that uh team Tucker?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5968.145, "end": 5972.185, "text": "So in terms of uh how I look at those two items, um the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5973.045, "end": 5991.925, "text": "monthly variance reporting that we could uh, as I mentioned, initiate or or enhance starting in May, um that would be relative to the current budget, and it would really be and is around performance to date and performance to the end of the year. The zero base budgeting and the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5992.525, "end": 6048.965, "text": "Next item uh that we have on that is really uh a much more in-depth review, um focusing um with an external consultant walking through that process, as well as uh a much heavier reliance on internal staff within each one of those areas going through um how they build up the budget, what's included, how are they matching against their performance metrics, those types of things. So it's a much more uh in-depth, engaged process. So as those conclude and they have a reflection or a change on uh their budget or their proposed budget, definitely that information would then be um updated and refreshed as we move forward through the quarters and through that reporting process to exec committee. But um fundamentally that second portion or the second item you mentioned is a much more detailed uh labor intensive review." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6051.065, "end": 6052.445, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6052.945, "end": 6053.405, "text": "That's all." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6054.385, "end": 6056.165, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Penazopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6056.165, "end": 6062.025, "text": "Thanks so much for the presentation. Um, the budget $283,000. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6062.425, "end": 6063.505, "text": "Funding request." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6063.825, "end": 6067.805, "text": "Just talk if if that capital was spent on executive committee," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6069.685, "end": 6076.785, "text": "how could that amend? Would it make it more tighter? How much I guess is duplication, if you will, that if we were to invest and put" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6077.105, "end": 6084.545, "text": "a few more people so that this scope, I think, is sort of combining, it's going down that path. If we just made executive committee that much bulkier" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6085.385, "end": 6113.705, "text": "Thank you for the question, Councilor Pentazopoulos. In terms of the budget ask, we do differentiate between the legislative services piece as well as the Chief Financial Officer's Office piece. With respect to the clerks, I would say if we stay at the executive committee, we would not need an additional budget ask because currently the city clerk's office is already resourced for the executive committee in terms of meeting agendas, the minutes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6114.325, "end": 6138.205, "text": "Having two shifts if required. Our resource ask was strictly because we would be introducing the element of public participation when it comes to a standing policy committee, and that would be extra. So if council decides to stay at executive committee, nothing extra would be required for the legislative services. But I will let CFO Tucker speak to what it would take for that additional reporting because that's a little bit different." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6140.505, "end": 6198.985, "text": "So if we were to have this enhanced information going to uh executive committee, we would require uh additional financial support behind it for uh the more detailed information we'd be accumulating, uh the variance work, and making sure that we have that information ready for each of the committee meetings. Um with that, we have in the attachment that uh we would be looking at a financial analyst for the current year. We would look at um absorbing that and trying to understand how we could fine-tune that process as we move through the months, and then depending on what the results and what we find from that, there could be this additional cost that we would not be able to manage within our current budget, and that would be that 150,000. But we would look at uh handling that in house for this first year within 2026, and then learn from that and see what the outcome is for 27 and beyond." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6200.225, "end": 6201.365, "text": "during budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6202.545, "end": 6220.345, "text": "Counselor Ward moved this, I seconded it because I really felt that we needed a a different level of information. You know, we often hear uh we spent 1.1 billion on capital four years ago, and now we're spending 1.1 billion on water. And we've got a $49 billion spend going forward. So maybe to the to CFO," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6221.105, "end": 6223.945, "text": "do you feel that this level of granularity" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6224.865, "end": 6238.445, "text": "is appropriate at a governance level, like what we're asking for to get that next level to discharge our duties, just given that there's such an exponential growth in our spending, in our city growth, and a willingness for this council to sort of just really understand?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6238.685, "end": 6246.525, "text": "The uh the information because there's there's an art. It's it's too much versus I'd suggest maybe too little. How do we find that from your perspective?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6246.725, "end": 6255.785, "text": "So I think uh that's a great question in terms of uh the the balancing between the level of detail. So when we uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6256.445, "end": 6263.725, "text": "Move to uh putting forward this this next level of detail. Uh some of the areas will be very um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6264.505, "end": 6275.345, "text": "lengthy in terms of the number of pages, the lines of detail, and the feedback very much uh might come back from yourselves that okay, this was um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6276.085, "end": 6287.365, "text": "great, um, but let's uh let's diminish it slightly now that we've seen that, or maybe that there's certain areas of interest that as we go into these departments, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6287.625, "end": 6317.805, "text": "That might be that this particular department or these departments were very interested in that level of detail. Some of these others, it's uh more advantageous to be at a higher level, and we really want to know more about trends, outcomes, and what the groups are delivering. So I would expect that this there this is a fair amount of volume that will be coming for these reports, and that it'll be uh sort of a learning and exploration going forward in terms of meeting your needs uh relative to that level of detail." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6318.605, "end": 6339.645, "text": "And then maybe just finally, a standing committee has just counselors. One of the strengths of audit is that we have public members, and their questions are amazing because they bring an outsider's perspective. And many of us may be financially literally, but some of us aren't. But we can actually go and get experts in budgeting, managing large complex organizations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6340.465, "end": 6351.405, "text": "What sort of amendment or is it even possible to sort of build off the amazing audit committee work and if this committee was struck to have uh citizen members participate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6352.025, "end": 6355.445, "text": "Any changes? Is is that something that how would we go about that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6355.465, "end": 6393.485, "text": "Thank you for the question, Councilor Pentazoulos. So the existing rules, which are yours, Council, for standing policy committees, limit standing policy committees to members of council only. Are standing specialized committees, which audit committee is one of, that's where you can establish committees that will have membership that includes members of council, administrations, as well as members of the public. So we we do have both models, but what I would say is standing policies are certainly limited to members of council until such a time as council changes them. It's possible through an amendment to the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6393.745, "end": 6401.505, "text": "Got it. So we we could start with the standing policy and then three to six months later, a year later, ten years later, amend and and change it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6401.525, "end": 6405.325, "text": "That's right. You could change the classification of it to a different type of committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6405.665, "end": 6418.145, "text": "As it evolves and as you progress through the work, it could be changed at that point in time and the composition could be amended. Various councils prior to this one have certainly looked at the committee structures and they've made amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6418.405, "end": 6443.545, "text": "I I just think this y you know the the dovetail between IPC I think there's even opportunities for synergies there. You've got uh a ten year plan, the first time ever we have a ten year capital plan, and that's perfect. So what a natural into budget as as we think about, you know, this narrow. I just see this sort of evolving as that comes in and then it starts to grow and develop. And we'll make mistakes and we'll to your point this level of granularity maybe bring it down a second. But uh no, thank you for putting this together and uh looking forward to debating it. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6444.665, "end": 6446.225, "text": "Thank you, uh Deputy Memories Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6448.485, "end": 6450.545, "text": "Was just curious about because this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6451.305, "end": 6454.805, "text": "Uh it was absorbed into an executive committee in 2021" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6455.025, "end": 6456.445, "text": "from the last council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6456.865, "end": 6461.765, "text": "That's correct, Councillor Schmidt. So when the previous council looked at the committee structure," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6462.265, "end": 6469.765, "text": "the committee at the time was called the Priorities and Finance Committee, and the mandate of that committee included budget, finance," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6470.165, "end": 6477.545, "text": "as well as corporate planning. When the committee changed to executive committee, that mandate shifted over, the name changed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6478.565, "end": 6482.005, "text": "I see. So it was it was absorbed into" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6482.765, "end": 6484.365, "text": "the new committee" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6484.965, "end": 6487.865, "text": "through that reorganization, and then we would just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6488.425, "end": 6492.885, "text": "this decision is now leading to taking that one part out. It wasn't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6495.185, "end": 6497.325, "text": "it wasn't okay. I I understand now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6497.325, "end": 6504.005, "text": "Also perhaps I can help. The priorities and finance committee included budgeting and corporate planning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6504.385, "end": 6512.565, "text": "In 2021, when the change was moved over, the mandate shifted exactly as it was to executive committee. The name of the committee changed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6512.685, "end": 6513.885, "text": "I see. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6514.205, "end": 6524.325, "text": "And at that point, that committee also well, I I suppose the notice of motion process changed subsequent to that to be added to executive committee, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6530.545, "end": 6545.285, "text": "2019 by the CFO at that time. So the process was introduced, but the process was never inserted into the procedure bylaw. So when Deputy City Clerk Fraser and I, when we looked at procedure bylaw amendments during the last term of council," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6545.425, "end": 6572.545, "text": "at that point we brought the process completely into the procedure bylaw. So it had existed, it just didn't have a set of rules within the procedure by law. And through that work in 2024, we also heard feedback from members of council that they would like the notice of motion process to appear on a consent agenda rather than as one of the items that are debated. So that portion of the notice of motion process was embedded in 2025. So it was a kind of stage gated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6572.585, "end": 6581.745, "text": "I see. Okay. So when when the transition happened in 2021, the notice of motion process was not explicitly in executive committee and it was added later." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6582.245, "end": 6586.945, "text": "It it operated in practice but not codified in the bylaw. I see." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6587.965, "end": 6591.165, "text": "So in a roundabout way, is it correct to say that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6591.645, "end": 6597.305, "text": "following that review in 2024 there was an additional function added to executive committee?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6598.345, "end": 6611.125, "text": "It it was but the idea, as I recall the the feedback from counselors, it was to decrease the amount of workload on the executive committee. So prior to that change in twenty twenty five" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6611.325, "end": 6635.805, "text": "Notices of motions were placed on the agenda and every one of them would have been moved and debated. What the change did was it placed them all on the consent agenda, giving the executive committee the ability to approve or not approve in an omnibus motion, similar to how your consent agenda at council works. So the intent of the feedback was to alleviate some of the time spent at executive committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6635.805, "end": 6640.105, "text": "I see. Okay, and that's what I was getting at with the suffering of this. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6640.325, "end": 6641.045, "text": "Yeah, you're welcome." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6641.365, "end": 6642.465, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Dollywell, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6643.325, "end": 6654.405, "text": "Thank you. Just uh maybe I missed it. Uh what does the administration ask on this one if this committee goes through like how many extra staff? Uh what does it do to your total overall work?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6655.405, "end": 6720.605, "text": "That's a great question, Councillor Dolly Wall. So ours, the city clerk submissions are set out in your attachment to. We would be looking for a limited term resource. That would be one legislative specialist position who would oversee the committee. So this would ever be everything from working with the chair to generate and set the agenda, it would be conducting the meeting, it would be preparing the minutes, it would be preparing the distributions. Because this is being proposed as a standing policy committee, we know from experience that those committees are heavier on our resources because the public comes. And we want to ensure that the city clerk's office has resources to support members of the public, whether it's with registering to speak, whether it's presenting here, whether it's providing their materials in right in the council chamber. So our resource would be for two years to establish this committee and to monitor it. At that point in time, we would determine what that level of public participation would be. Can we just go back to our existing city clerk's office resources and absorb it, or would we then make a permanent resource ask of council?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6720.605, "end": 6730.265, "text": "Okay. And and and I uh correct me, I think Councillor Schmidt's point, uh this committee scope stayed the same. It was renamed executive with a little bit of addition." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6730.665, "end": 6738.105, "text": "That's correct. So the previous Priorities and Finance Committee shifted to executive committee with its mandate intact. The name had changed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6738.205, "end": 6755.685, "text": "Okay, I think this is not a question for you, but maybe for us to consider, like you said public could speak, we and we want to start debating budgets from the get go. It will set an expectation, I think, for for people to come and say, okay, we want to be there. And sometimes some of this stuff is done done. Um it's interesting. Uh our biggest" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6757.225, "end": 6773.085, "text": "Issue right now, we had two pipeline failures. Our utilities, our infrastructure. What I would love to do is maybe bring a NOM and create another committee, Utilities and Environment Committee, because that's what needs the focus. So with that, I'll leave it here. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6776.425, "end": 6779.945, "text": "Thank you. I will uh just jump in briefly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6780.325, "end": 6782.725, "text": "Do we have a sense of what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6783.545, "end": 6792.605, "text": "this committee, this new committee, could do that currently executive committee doesn't? Is it just those finer, detailed reports that are coming out of that zero based review process?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6794.065, "end": 6798.925, "text": "Or is it or is it largely just moving a current responsibility from executive committee and creating a new one?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6799.545, "end": 6802.425, "text": "If we could go to slide," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6803.705, "end": 6805.325, "text": "sorry, bear with me, slide" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6806.905, "end": 6807.485, "text": "five," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6808.225, "end": 6808.825, "text": "please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6809.165, "end": 6809.645, "text": "Right here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 6810.265, "end": 6863.845, "text": "Um so the the mandates are are similar as I understand it from the motion arising, but not quite the same. So the executive committee is set out on my right, which is finance and budgeting issues, as well as corporate planning. The notice, excuse me, the motion arising directed more granular. So it is looking for oversight and advice to administration on implementation of the four-year budget as well as performing a detailed review. In terms of the committees, the other difference that I would highlight is that under the existing structure in the procedure bylaw, executive committee does not hear from members of the public. This new proposal for a standing policy committee under council's bylaw, it does hear from members of the public. So this would be welcoming Calgarians into the council chamber to speak on budget issues. Those are the two that I can speak on finance. Um, did I miss anything?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6865.445, "end": 6890.045, "text": "I think just to highlight the the level of detail from the reporting for the information that would be proposed for this committee. There would be no difference if that was if we moved and had that same information prepared and submitted and discussed at exec committee. So the level of detail could be the same, the reports could be the same at both committees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6891.125, "end": 6893.445, "text": "So my sense, uh colleagues, is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6894.605, "end": 6896.705, "text": "s the exec committee uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6897.045, "end": 6904.965, "text": "function and mandate I think is strong. It relates to those finance and and budget issues. I think something that has been lost though is having the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6905.365, "end": 6906.745, "text": "notices of motion come there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6907.245, "end": 6913.485, "text": "Personally my preference would to see the noms go to the standing policy committees instead. Say for example if you had a notice emotion" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6913.885, "end": 6941.965, "text": "Uh relating to transit, it should go to the appropriate one for vetting at that point. I think that's somewhat awkward to vet the noms for technical merits without actually getting into the merits. I do think that some of these noms could probably prefer uh could benefit from a debate on their merits prior to be debating a council. And if noms went to each of the standing policy committees, there'd be a much more frequent opportunity uh than executive committee to to have them uh potentially debated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6942.305, "end": 6947.205, "text": "Uh I'm just looking at if finance and budget issues and corporate planning are moved from executive committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6947.345, "end": 6957.825, "text": "There's not really much for executive committee to to do that remains. Uh for example, naming of city owned facilities, uh, I think that that could easily go to the nominations committee. That would make sense to be there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6958.005, "end": 6964.445, "text": "Uh same thing with local and business community. I think, say community development committee, that would probably make sense to be in their mandate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6964.725, "end": 6977.605, "text": "So it really it becomes a question of just focus. I I think that we're better off taking maybe a couple things off of the plate of executive committee in order to achieve the focus than creating a new entity that would require" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6977.885, "end": 6979.245, "text": "more administrative support." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6979.585, "end": 6984.165, "text": "Uh I certainly would be open to changing executive committee's name back to that uh." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6984.605, "end": 6988.245, "text": "Uh but or court or that priorities and for finance committee name." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6988.485, "end": 6991.825, "text": "I think opening it up to public submissions would would be warranted too. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6992.205, "end": 6993.965, "text": "I think we need a bit more of a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6994.545, "end": 6997.565, "text": "a focus on the overall state of the committees here. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6998.245, "end": 6999.945, "text": "having been around uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7000.485, "end": 7006.005, "text": "uh several years ago, I felt that the committee structure was a bit more focused. Right now, in my opinion, it's a bit scrambled." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7006.505, "end": 7013.145, "text": "Uh, for example, as a counselor, I knew I could go to the Transportation and Transit Committee, and I knew that committee was really focused" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7013.345, "end": 7015.765, "text": "on those issues. Same thing with uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7016.145, "end": 7023.205, "text": "Utilities and corporate services. We had that committee with a really strong mandate, say planning and urban development as an example." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7023.605, "end": 7025.305, "text": "I'm certainly open to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7025.585, "end": 7032.245, "text": "uh having an additional committee with this mandate, but I think it needs to be a review of overall all of the committees all at once," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7032.545, "end": 7038.265, "text": "rather than uh the insertion of a new one given the uh packed agendas that uh we've seen previously. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7038.705, "end": 7044.325, "text": "in short, definitely open to uh having more of the the rigor brought to executive committee, but I don't see" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7044.685, "end": 7045.985, "text": "in the work that was done," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7046.305, "end": 7051.865, "text": "an understanding of what new additional things would be done that uh wouldn't necessarily be going to exec. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7052.285, "end": 7055.485, "text": "uh that that's my uh two cents. Over to uh Counselor Johnston please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 7057.465, "end": 7062.585, "text": "I kind of like the idea of having a executive committee as a single point for NOMS." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 7062.945, "end": 7063.545, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 7064.405, "end": 7066.265, "text": "as if there was multiple different" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 7068.085, "end": 7069.605, "text": "committees that you would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 7069.885, "end": 7072.165, "text": "bring your notice of motion to, then everybody would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 7074.005, "end": 7075.865, "text": "kind of have to go to every committee" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 7077.825, "end": 7081.025, "text": "instead of just going to the one executive committee. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 7082.065, "end": 7086.665, "text": "I I I think I would have to see more on this before I would make a big decision, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 7087.025, "end": 7089.485, "text": "I I would say keep it at executive for now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7095.725, "end": 7097.705, "text": "Thank you. Over to uh Counselor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 7098.685, "end": 7101.645, "text": "Uh yeah, question for admin here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7101.645, "end": 7111.905, "text": "Actually if if if I may just very quickly my my comment was not that's not really what's before us. My my commentary was more of a suggestion if you're looking to take things off of uh executive committee. Go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 7113.185, "end": 7113.625, "text": "Yeah, hurt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7113.625, "end": 7118.005, "text": "I appreciate yeah. What's before us right now is uh accepting the report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 7118.005, "end": 7122.325, "text": "Uh actually, on that note, I guess really quickly to the question what happens if we don't accept a report?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 7122.845, "end": 7124.505, "text": "Sorry, rookie level question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7124.505, "end": 7127.965, "text": "I uh I think at appropriate time I'm gonna go to Councilor Ward to to move the item" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7128.225, "end": 7128.465, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 7128.465, "end": 7131.505, "text": "No, that's fair. I'm just wondering what happens if we don't accept a report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7132.305, "end": 7132.885, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7133.585, "end": 7141.425, "text": "I think it's a s personally as chair I would deem it as a statement on the quality and professionalism of the report. Uh certainly I don't think there's a reason that we would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7141.985, "end": 7142.765, "text": "reject uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7143.345, "end": 7146.965, "text": "receiving the the report. There's no recommendations therein, it's for information." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 7147.085, "end": 7156.085, "text": "I can't think of a reason why we wouldn't accept a report, but I figured I'd ask the question. Uh anyone in the mid wanna chime in on that or is the mayor's answer" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 7156.765, "end": 7157.305, "text": "Do you agree?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 7158.125, "end": 7159.665, "text": "Okay. We'll leave it there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7160.065, "end": 7165.505, "text": "If I could, Counselor Kelly, I just I think this is really important. If you simply receive this for information," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7166.045, "end": 7171.645, "text": "I think to to Clerk Martin, does anything further happen or does this just stop here? Just clarify that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 7171.645, "end": 7188.405, "text": "Yeah, thank you, CAO Duckworth. Once the report is accepted into the corporate record, that is it. It's filed as an information report and administration would not take any further steps in um bringing this work forward unless council direction is obtained. So you would consider this for information and the work stops." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 7189.005, "end": 7234.225, "text": "Uh thank you. And that was just a question that was arising from what we were talking about there. My actual question, the reason why I jumped uh reason why I jumped in is um looking for some advice if uh if we wanted to have a larger conversation about the committee structure and uh the committee's structure. Uh um Councillor Dolly Wall was just mentioning an idea in terms of bringing in a committee to to talk about utilities, for example. Um if we wanted to have a larger conversation about the structure of that all together, uh could I get some advice in terms of what is the best way for us to do that? Is it us having a conversation behind the scenes and bringing forward a notice of motion? Is it a strategic planning meeting? Is it uh it yeah, I'm just not sure what the what the best function for us to have a governance type conversation is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 7234.305, "end": 7297.225, "text": "That's a great question, Counselor Kelly. And I would say both of those conversations. So the one that would bring you to the notice of motion, as well as a strategic session, those would be welcome. As city clerk, and in a previous role to date, I've conducted two major reviews of committees. And that work has unfolded through a variety of ways. A notice of motion helps us in administration make sure that we are going to achieve your intent and that we are focusing on the things that are important to you. Before you get to a decision of whether you would like to proceed down this path, I can certainly provide you with any information that you would like on our boards, committees, and commissions as a whole. So these would be the ones that council makes appointments to that are part of the overall governance structure, or just focusing on the ones that are contained in your procedure bylaw. So those would be the standing policy committees, the standing specialized committees. So we have multiple options, but I would say notice of motion would be something that I would always welcome so that we make sure we're delivering on your intent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 7297.785, "end": 7336.045, "text": "Thank you. I appreciate that because I like this conversation is definitely sort of, you know, the the comments or the questions, pardon me, from counselors Dollywall and Pantazopoulos, and and obviously the original motion arising from Counselor Ward. Um, you know, I think it opens it up for us that like we probably as a new council would like to have this conversation. We've had a lot of stuff since we first brought this up, uh, which kind of brings us to this point. So yeah, I'd I'd be interested in having that conversation rather than just a one off of a committee. I'd I'd rather us be a little more considerate and and have a larger conversation. So if any of my colleagues are interested in that, um happy to join you in that conversation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7336.725, "end": 7337.825, "text": "All right, Councilor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7344.005, "end": 7345.345, "text": "Uh yeah, not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7345.545, "end": 7348.485, "text": "really any questions. It's a report, good report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7349.045, "end": 7353.045, "text": "Um, it outlines the implications of moving down this path." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7353.685, "end": 7354.305, "text": "Uh, it does" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7354.825, "end": 7354.965, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7355.305, "end": 7357.105, "text": "indicate that there's some challenges with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7357.545, "end": 7360.345, "text": "adding one standing policy committee as opposed to two," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7360.785, "end": 7365.445, "text": "because it creates additional work for seven members of council to be appointed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7365.705, "end": 7368.365, "text": "And then they would sit on two standing policy committees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7368.705, "end": 7372.925, "text": "If you have four, then everyone gets two each, and you share the workload." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7373.725, "end": 7377.405, "text": "I don't know. For me, I I think it's a good report and happy to receive it for information." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7377.725, "end": 7382.705, "text": "Um I'm just gonna go right into debate so I don't have to do this more than once. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7383.045, "end": 7392.945, "text": "having been here over a number of years and gone through many different iterations of standing policy committees, um, I I I can tell you that in my experience." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7393.125, "end": 7407.105, "text": "Typically, a council will go through at least one term before amending standing policy committees. And so this is at the very beginning of this term with a brand new council that hasn't even had one year of working" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7407.265, "end": 7410.145, "text": "within the confines of the current structure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7410.605, "end": 7413.605, "text": "So it's kind of hard to say, well, we don't like it, we need to change it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7413.885, "end": 7414.665, "text": "You don't really" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7415.105, "end": 7419.945, "text": "have a good grasp on on its functionality yet, I don't think. Anyways," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7420.485, "end": 7420.805, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7421.265, "end": 7422.945, "text": "anyway, so I've I've I've been through" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7423.525, "end": 7427.865, "text": "Um at least two terms with four standing policy committees that got subsequently changed" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7428.565, "end": 7430.105, "text": "for two terms with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7430.405, "end": 7436.165, "text": "four more standing policy committees to subsequently being pared down to two standing policy committees. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7436.525, "end": 7437.185, "text": "for me," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7438.905, "end": 7439.605, "text": "it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7440.065, "end": 7441.485, "text": "if you if you split them up," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7441.845, "end": 7447.265, "text": "then you you divide the workload, but ultimately all the work still needs to be done." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7447.625, "end": 7450.785, "text": "So consolidating it has some value in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7451.245, "end": 7452.225, "text": "in you know" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7452.725, "end": 7453.245, "text": "it may." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7453.445, "end": 7458.245, "text": "It may lengthen the the the duration of the meetings, but you cover a lot more ground." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7458.865, "end": 7459.645, "text": "Uh so I don't know," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7460.345, "end": 7462.285, "text": "half a dozen of one, six or the other. At this point," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7462.625, "end": 7471.905, "text": "I'm I'm not sure that this council, I may be prepared to make some changes and make some recommendations, but only because of my previous experience." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7472.185, "end": 7476.925, "text": "I suggest that this council would be best to go through this this term." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7477.225, "end": 7495.385, "text": "And there's a lot of balls in the air right now insofar as what we're going to do on a go forward basis that may warrant some amendments to our standing policy committees. I don't think today's the day. But I I appreciate the information. It helps to set the ground rules insofar as what we're going to need to consider into the future. And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7496.005, "end": 7499.105, "text": "for me, I I'm happy to receive this report for information, but I'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7499.305, "end": 7503.385, "text": "I'll leave it to the original mover if he wants to move it. If not, I'm happy to move it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 7504.545, "end": 7504.965, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7506.425, "end": 7508.985, "text": "Thanks. Uh Counselor Ward. Uh can I call on you?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7509.585, "end": 7512.345, "text": "Yeah, I will move it and we'll see if anybody has debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7513.605, "end": 7517.865, "text": "Any uh uh second or Councilor Brandisopoulos? Yep. Any further debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7519.405, "end": 7521.065, "text": "All right, seeing nine back to you, Councilor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7521.105, "end": 7522.205, "text": "Okay. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7522.885, "end": 7530.085, "text": "I I think the most interesting thing to come out of this discussion was who reads their agenda package before they speak. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7530.525, "end": 7554.945, "text": "regardless, uh I I understand that there's logistical issues with the odd number of SPCs, and I I recognize that when I originally brought this, so that's something that we would have to work through. Um overall, you know, it's a solid report, and that's the point of this is to get the report to get the information so that we can make a decision in the future. Um the reason I brought it originally was because when we were going through the one year budget amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7555.445, "end": 7567.725, "text": "There was just a serious lack of information, um, a lack of timely responses on questions. And I just think it's incredibly irresponsible to ask a council to make" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7568.445, "end": 7573.245, "text": "budget decisions when they don't have accurate and complete information. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7573.505, "end": 7577.005, "text": "for that reason, that's why I brought this originally. So um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7577.785, "end": 7578.685, "text": "Yeah" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7578.945, "end": 7589.585, "text": "it's a good report, so I would encourage everybody to vote yes to this just out of respect for the people that put it together. But that that's all I have to say and future discussions to come on this, I would suggest." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7590.925, "end": 7593.865, "text": "All right, thank you. Uh Madam Clerk, let's uh please engage the Evo." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 7606.265, "end": 7610.325, "text": "Counselor Dolly, thank you. Mayor Farkas Shabot, please. Thank you, Mayor Farkas, I'll vote your end." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7610.365, "end": 7610.505, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7611.445, "end": 7612.725, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7616.045, "end": 7618.465, "text": "And that motion is carried unanimously 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7619.445, "end": 7622.525, "text": "Council, we got about uh 20 minutes left here. Let's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 7622.685, "end": 7626.205, "text": "move to 9.3.4 zero-based review program scoping." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7641.585, "end": 7660.645, "text": "Good morning, Mayor and members of council. We're here today to provide recommendations on the scoping of the zero-based review program. I'll start off with administration's recommendations and then our consultants, KPMG, have a more detailed presentation on the program design. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7664.885, "end": 7688.665, "text": "This report responds to your direction last December to scope a zero-based type review program, including the use of third party consultants, and report back at the end of Q1 2026, including a work plan, governance model, business unit selection criteria, and a prioritized list of business units and proposed review schedule for 2026 to 2028." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7688.965, "end": 7689.965, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7693.165, "end": 7703.005, "text": "Our recommendations today are recommending this work begin as a pilot program in order to test whether there will be sufficient return on investment to offset the cost of program itself." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7703.365, "end": 7704.285, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7710.725, "end": 7715.885, "text": "Per council direction, we engaged KPMG to work with us on program design and scoping." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7716.665, "end": 7731.145, "text": "They looked into our past review programs as well as leading practices and have recommended a program specifically focused on identifying and implementing opportunities to improve efficiency and provide cost savings while maintaining a base level of service." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7731.845, "end": 7739.885, "text": "Administration fully supports KPMG's recommended program design, but is cautious of the cost to fully implement the program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7741.405, "end": 7744.965, "text": "We're cautious, but we're also cognizant of implementing the program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7745.765, "end": 7756.505, "text": "Our recommendation as amended is to first undertake a pilot program following KPMG's recommended design and review three business units. The pilot itself would cost an estimated $4 million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7757.185, "end": 7758.045, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7763.285, "end": 7781.225, "text": "This slide shows the schedule and cost to undertake this pilot program. We would begin the program in June of this year, allowing time to recruit the program team without impacting the heavy workload experienced by corporate finance in preparing the 2027 to 2030 business plans and budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7782.165, "end": 7795.405, "text": "Through June to August, the program team will work to refine mandates, charters, stand up the program governance and steering committee, and refine the preliminary business unit assessments according to KPMG's recommended selection criteria." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7796.005, "end": 7812.345, "text": "Starting in September, we'd be able to confirm the business units selected for the pilot, and we begin mobilizing and standing up project teams within the selected business units, as well as sourcing external consultants with subject matter expertise relative to those business units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7812.985, "end": 7829.905, "text": "In December of this year, we would begin the opportunity assessment phase. This is where we would begin diving deeper into the selected business units, documenting opportunities for efficiencies or cost savings, and working with the steering committee to prioritize and select the most promising business cases." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7830.685, "end": 7846.525, "text": "We anticipate that opportunity assessment phase would be completed around May of 2027, at which time we would bring a report back through the executive committee with our findings and selected opportunities for implementation, as well as more accurate implementation timelines." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7847.445, "end": 7890.545, "text": "We'll also report back through executive committee upon completion of the implementation phase, currently expected approximately Q1 of 2028. This pilot is expected to be done on a total one-time cost of $4 million over a 21 month period. At the conclusion of the pilot, we'll have completed review of the first three business units. And based on the KPMG's preliminary evaluation of the data we had, and we'll finalize that around selection of the specific areas. That would represent approximately $400 million in gross operating expenditures covered, and that would represent approximately 10% of the 2026 gross operating budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7891.425, "end": 7892.265, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7894.625, "end": 7911.305, "text": "The slides we have here are comparing to a full program rollout. This approach would allow us to move faster, but it brings higher costs earlier. Once fully ramped up, the program would cost approximately $4.5 million per year. On an average, three business units per cohort." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7911.765, "end": 7921.445, "text": "Depending on the scale of the selected business units, we would have completed reviews on approximately 18 business units by the end of Cohort 6 in 2023." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7922.105, "end": 7943.405, "text": "The largest variable driving cost is the number of business units being reviewed simultaneously. It would be possible to review all business units faster by starting each cohort's mobilization phase while the previous undertaking groups are still undertaking their opportunity assessments, but this would increase the costs to the 6.3 million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7944.565, "end": 7945.425, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7948.145, "end": 7957.105, "text": "So given the significant cost to undertake the full program implementation and the uncertainty around levels of savings, we recommend commencing a zero-based" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7958.045, "end": 7992.605, "text": "A pilot of a zero-based review on three business units to gauge the scale of benefits that could be realized from a full-scale review program. Allocating $1 million in one-time funding to corporate planning and financial services from the Financial Stability Reserve in 2026 to fund the pilot program, considering funding for the remainder of the pilot and for the full program implementation within the 2027 to 2030 business plans and budgets, and reporting findings of phase two of the pilot program to the Executive Committee no later than Q3 of 2024." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 7993.405, "end": 8001.685, "text": "And with that, we have Chris Sansbury from KPMG here with an additional presentation to go through over the details of the program design and governance with you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8003.405, "end": 8004.625, "text": "Thanks. Welcome, Chris." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8005.305, "end": 8030.565, "text": "Good morning, Mayor and Council. Thank you very much for having me today here to present on this opportunity. So, like uh administration has said, KPMG has been supporting um administration in developing uh a practical and implementable program um to an approach for the zero based uh review going forward. And a couple messages I want to get across uh over the next 10, 15 minutes or so is one, how the program is structured to succeed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8031.165, "end": 8039.625, "text": "Secondly, how it translates council's direction into delivery. And thirdly, what matters and most to make it work in practice." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8040.245, "end": 8041.345, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8042.185, "end": 8043.365, "text": "Next slide again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8044.685, "end": 8058.385, "text": "And just by way of introduction, so my name is Chris Sainsbury. I'm a partner at KPMG. I lead our city's advisory practice in Western Canada, and my expertise is around business improvement and driving cost efficiencies. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8060.805, "end": 8090.505, "text": "So, for the next 10 minutes or so, I want to provide council with a clearer view of what we're going to cover. So, this is a little bit of a high-level agenda. So, we're going to start off by discussing what the future program purpose is and a proposed name for it. Then we're going to move on to the future program design, the various phases and timelines. I'll then cover the options for governance, accountability, and roles. We'll talk about the potential resourcing and the requirements from administration to support the program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8091.105, "end": 8103.905, "text": "Then we'll talk about the selection criteria for select how business units get selected into their various cohorts. And then I'll finish my presentation going through critical success factors for the program going forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8104.645, "end": 8105.725, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8108.945, "end": 8141.525, "text": "So, as the administration noted, Council's direction was to explore a zero-based review approaching focusing on efficiency and cost savings. And so through this review, KPNG did a number of things. We looked at leading practices, we looked at similar zero based review programs in other jurisdictions in Canada and elsewhere. And we also looked at the past zero based review program that Calgary did to garner some lessons learned. This information translated into some design principles that we then used to shape the design of the program going forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8142.365, "end": 8171.865, "text": "In terms of the actual program name, what we've come up with and proposed is the program efficiency and implementation review. So a change from a zero based review for a number of reasons. Firstly, we feel it really important to communicate two things. One, the efficiency component, and two, the actual implementation of and realization of benefits coming out of this. So this is not just about identifying opportunities, this is actually about translating them and explicitly delivering on them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8172.985, "end": 8174.125, "text": "Uh, next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8177.565, "end": 8242.405, "text": "In terms of the actual design and how it would get rolled out, as we previously saw in administration's presentation, there's a series of cohorts and that revolve around an iterative process. So phase one is really about initiating and standing up the program. That'll be the first phase, having a clear mandate, clear direction, clear communication, and readiness to go. Moving into phase one, two, and three, this is where the iterative process takes place for each of the cohorts of the business units. Phase one is about business unit mobilization. So engaging with the various business units that are going to undergo the review, making sure there's clear direction, clear understanding, adequate data needs, and adequate preparation to stand up the review. Phase two is all about going through the opportunities, identifying what those potential opportunities are for efficiencies. And phase three is about implementing them. And that follows directly after phase two. So that the intent is that there's no gap and that there's a continual process that leads from identifying opportunities into executing and implementing on them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8243.685, "end": 8261.765, "text": "One thing I would say is that through a lot of our research and through a lot of my my experience is that many programs are good at identifying savings, but fewer are are structured to actually deliver on them and to realize the benefits. So this is something that we took into account when designing this particular program to make sure that it achieves both." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8262.685, "end": 8263.585, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8266.825, "end": 8302.885, "text": "So, one really important factor in terms of delivering these types of programs is having the right governance structure in place. And so, what I want to cover here is how we intend we propose that it gets operationalized. So, there's three kind of key design considerations or choices that went into coming up with this structure. The first being having the chief administrative officer serving as the program sponsor, having a single point of accountability for the program. We feel this is very important given the cross cutting initiatives that cover the whole organization and the need for visible executive leadership and sponsorship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8304.105, "end": 8324.085, "text": "Uh the second uh point that I want to make is around the the role of the chief financial officer. So for one, chairing the steering committee that guides the program forward. But equally important um and something we will touch upon later in the presentation is validating the various reported financial impacts that follow implementation. So making sure that we are actually realizing those benefits." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8325.105, "end": 8339.945, "text": "And the third area is the having the program management team stood up, adequately resourced, and working with business units to collaboratively come up and identify potentials for for opportunities for cost savings and to see those through through implementation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8341.285, "end": 8342.345, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8345.485, "end": 8368.785, "text": "So, as administration highlighted around the kind of the funding and the scale necessary, this slide really focuses on how these resources are intended to be structured to help the program succeed. So, firstly, for the program management team, it's suggested that there's a core team of internal staff to coordinate, to report, to guide the program forward, and to provide consistency going forward as the program rolls out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8370.205, "end": 8386.065, "text": "The second is to have business units have a program team that are adequately staffed to collaborate with the program management teams. It's important to have active champions of change from these organizations to take ownership and to be to provide practical support through implementation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8387.105, "end": 8402.105, "text": "And lastly, additional delivery support. So there is flexibility as and when needed to bring on consultants to provide specialist expertise in certain areas subject to the scope of the work and the different business units that are being reviewed under review." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8403.305, "end": 8404.145, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8406.525, "end": 8441.885, "text": "As the administration noted, the importance of selecting the right business units and the sequencing of those is important. And so I'll now go through how that selection process was structured. So within phase one, we have selection criteria. We have a two-step approach. The first is quantitative, and we've come up with a number of parameters that are helped to prioritize which business units are most likely to have one, the most chance of success, but also readiness and looking at the quantum of potential operational savings. So the four criteria are alignment with council priorities and cost savings," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8442.145, "end": 8444.565, "text": "readiness of the business units to participate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8445.305, "end": 8462.925, "text": "The degree of impact of business units on other units, so recognizing that some business units may have smaller operational budgets, but they support multiple other units, business units, and obviously then have an important role to play. And then lastly, the size of the operating expenditure for each of the business units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8464.105, "end": 8488.585, "text": "The second step in this selection criteria is a qualitative selection criteria, a bit of a sense check to make sure have we got a good cross section of business units as part of the of each of the cohorts to make sure we have a good cross section across the organization, that we're going to get momentum that those business units are ready, and there's not a kind of over leverage and strain and stretch across the organization as the reviews take place." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8489.485, "end": 8499.005, "text": "I would really reiterate that readiness is a critical factor, and early success in the pilot is essential to building momentum and confidence going forward into future phases." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8500.005, "end": 8500.785, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8503.085, "end": 8508.305, "text": "So this is my last slide, and I'd like to share with you what we see as three of the most important success factors." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8508.945, "end": 8512.545, "text": "So the first of them being clear and sustained leadership sponsorship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8513.465, "end": 8520.685, "text": "So having a cancel and endorse mandate with visible executive ownership throughout the review to really drive the change." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8521.765, "end": 8523.125, "text": "This really needs to come from the top." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8524.405, "end": 8544.805, "text": "The second being a dedicated program and implementation team with the capacity to support the review. So this is not an exercise that can be done off the side of everyone's desk. There needs to be a dedicated team if you want this to be done successfully. So making sure those units are business units are adequately resourced and protected from daily operational pressures." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8546.125, "end": 8550.265, "text": "And the last critical success factor is having disciplined governance through implementation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8550.785, "end": 8566.545, "text": "So making sure there's the right oversight, the right reporting, the right decision making that continues not just at the point of recommendations where they're approved, but leading into implementation. And giving the iterative cycle, there's opportunity to fine tune the process as you go through." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8568.365, "end": 8591.625, "text": "So the the program efficiency and implementation review program is intended to achieve all of these. And a defining feature is really looking at the savings and not recognizing them until they're actually achieved. So making sure that they're validated by the CFO and the program team, that the they will actually realize financial impacts and that future budget adjustments occur following validated delivery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8593.405, "end": 8613.165, "text": "So to conclude, um, the proposed model gives the city a structured uh process a structured framework, a governance model, and an implementation roadmap to go forward to identify, implement, and realize efficiencies and deliver these benefits across the organization. With that, I'm happy to pause now and open up for questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8616.325, "end": 8620.705, "text": "Thank you for that. Uh colleagues, I see extensive questions in here. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8621.085, "end": 8622.425, "text": "could I uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8622.685, "end": 8629.385, "text": "suggest our general consent to break seven minutes early to allow council participation in the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8629.665, "end": 8633.025, "text": "Flag raising outside and to get back and jump into the questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8634.325, "end": 8638.225, "text": "Do we have uh general consent to do that and uh for me to bang the gavel and come back at 115?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8639.365, "end": 8640.125, "text": "Any uh post?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 8641.105, "end": 8644.265, "text": "Sorry, not I'm not opposed, but uh if we come back to this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 8644.765, "end": 8646.125, "text": "Did we not have uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 8646.545, "end": 8648.965, "text": "Counselor Wynus's right after lunch?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8649.825, "end": 8653.645, "text": "That is a great point. We could do two" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8654.205, "end": 8657.165, "text": "we could do one or two questions, but I think we might lose the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8657.705, "end": 8661.805, "text": "uh the value to this discussion by having a segmented debate and discussion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8662.245, "end": 8668.345, "text": "Uh maybe to our uh consultant, are you available to come uh after the break following the uh the planning item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8668.725, "end": 8669.765, "text": "Yes, I'm happy to wait. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8670.845, "end": 8671.785, "text": "Counselor, are you okay with that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8672.265, "end": 8672.445, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 8672.785, "end": 8676.605, "text": "All right. We will be back at uh 115 with uh council witness's item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13809.345, "end": 13811.225, "text": "Welcome back to Calgary City Council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13812.585, "end": 13813.605, "text": "Madam Clerk, please call the roll." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13814.125, "end": 13816.045, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Councillor Dolly Wall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13817.785, "end": 13818.965, "text": "Counselor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 13819.085, "end": 13819.425, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13819.485, "end": 13820.445, "text": "Counselor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13821.425, "end": 13822.145, "text": "Counselor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 13822.485, "end": 13822.865, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13822.925, "end": 13823.845, "text": "Councilor McLean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 13824.585, "end": 13824.905, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13825.305, "end": 13826.785, "text": "Counselor Pentezopoulos," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13829.565, "end": 13830.245, "text": "Counselor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13831.465, "end": 13832.585, "text": "Counselor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13833.465, "end": 13834.465, "text": "Counselor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13835.005, "end": 13836.065, "text": "Councilor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13836.465, "end": 13837.365, "text": "Counselor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13837.905, "end": 13839.005, "text": "Counselor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13839.705, "end": 13840.565, "text": "Counselor Chabot," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13841.305, "end": 13842.125, "text": "Counselor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13842.665, "end": 13843.745, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13844.245, "end": 13844.725, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13848.205, "end": 13850.105, "text": "So Madam Clerk, the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13850.685, "end": 13853.385, "text": "the zero based review report was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13853.685, "end": 13856.985, "text": "before us just before the recess. Do we need a motion to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13858.005, "end": 13861.765, "text": "uh table it to the call of the chair and then move to the time specific item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13861.925, "end": 13862.845, "text": "Postpone, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13862.925, "end": 13863.225, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13863.405, "end": 13863.805, "text": "Motion" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13863.805, "end": 13866.425, "text": "Can I please have a postpone" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13866.885, "end": 13867.425, "text": "motion" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13868.105, "end": 13869.105, "text": "from a member of council?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13869.885, "end": 13872.165, "text": "Uh moved by councilor Panasopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13872.765, "end": 13877.385, "text": "Second by Councilor Kelly. Is that a postponement to the conclusion of the next item? Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 13877.685, "end": 13880.965, "text": "to be dealt with following item 9.4.12." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13881.485, "end": 13882.285, "text": "Great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13882.765, "end": 13887.665, "text": "Those were the words. Council, we're gonna do a quick uh voice vote on that. Uh all agreed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13888.985, "end": 13889.645, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13890.165, "end": 13891.825, "text": "Seeing none, that motion is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13892.525, "end": 13899.065, "text": "Uh it now being the uh start after the lunch recess, we have a time specific item 9.4.12." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13899.585, "end": 13902.785, "text": "Notice a motion providing council direction on the city building program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13903.165, "end": 13904.605, "text": "Over to you, Councilor Warnes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13905.665, "end": 13913.685, "text": "Thank you. This notice of motion is essentially asking for a directive to send the Calgary plan to the June 16th" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13913.985, "end": 13915.145, "text": "strategic meeting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13915.445, "end": 13922.285, "text": "This will allow all of council to take the feedback we're taking from the public for the repeal blanket zoning vote," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13922.705, "end": 13926.325, "text": "discussions we're having about how we actually plan and grow the city," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13926.725, "end": 13932.105, "text": "and discuss it at a strategic meeting of council and come out together as a council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13932.565, "end": 13932.905, "text": "on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13933.065, "end": 13934.225, "text": "how the city will grow." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13934.405, "end": 13935.825, "text": "Under our governance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13936.245, "end": 13939.925, "text": "The Calgary plan, as is, is already having outdated documents" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13941.105, "end": 13945.145, "text": "and reference outdated policy because we've had change at the provincial government level." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13945.525, "end": 13950.465, "text": "And so I'm just asking for council to help direct the Calgary plan to the strategic meeting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13950.605, "end": 13951.325, "text": "of council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13951.825, "end": 13954.765, "text": "where your feedback and direction will be further" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13955.825, "end": 13957.345, "text": "evaluated and taken" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13957.645, "end": 13958.505, "text": "by administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13961.225, "end": 13963.625, "text": "Thank you. That's been introduced. May I please have a second or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13964.945, "end": 13967.805, "text": "second by Councillor McLean? Any further debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 13969.245, "end": 13983.045, "text": "No, I think this is necessary work since we've got so much time on our hands and there's not very much on our agenda these days. This is big. This is important. I'm glad we're putting it all together. Um look forward to doing No, I'm not looking forward to it, but uh yeah, I'm uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 13983.445, "end": 13984.165, "text": "fully supportive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13987.945, "end": 13990.145, "text": "All right. Seeing no further debate," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13992.685, "end": 13994.385, "text": "uh back to you to close, Council Witness." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 13994.725, "end": 13995.425, "text": "Thank you, Close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 13996.305, "end": 13999.945, "text": "All right, Madam Clerk, let's uh please engage the vote on this notice motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14005.185, "end": 14007.645, "text": "Actually, our city clerk would like to speak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 14007.985, "end": 14015.205, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Just to highlight that we will be casting the vote individually. So it won't be a vote on the entire notice of motion. We will cast" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 14015.785, "end": 14020.825, "text": "it on the first now, therefore it be resolved, and then we will cast the second one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 14021.425, "end": 14025.045, "text": "Simply because you are rescinding a previous decision of council and then replacing it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14026.205, "end": 14026.865, "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14030.725, "end": 14033.885, "text": "All right, uh let's call the vote on the uh first one up on the screen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14039.865, "end": 14045.165, "text": "And this is to rescind the previously adopted council motion to allow for the next recommendations to be voted on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 14051.065, "end": 14052.785, "text": "Councilor Atkinson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 14058.405, "end": 14059.065, "text": "You can still vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 14060.305, "end": 14060.725, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 14062.725, "end": 14063.485, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14064.085, "end": 14065.745, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14068.245, "end": 14072.065, "text": "That motion is carried 15 to 0 unanimously, allowing for the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14072.685, "end": 14076.585, "text": "second to be voted upon. So let's uh vote on the second, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 14101.425, "end": 14102.585, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14103.085, "end": 14104.745, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14106.965, "end": 14108.745, "text": "That motion is carried 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14110.345, "end": 14116.505, "text": "Let's go back to our postponed item, which was uh 9.3.4 zero based review program scoping." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14117.065, "end": 14120.625, "text": "If I recall, we had just concluded the presentation from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14121.065, "end": 14123.285, "text": "uh city administration and our consultant." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14123.805, "end": 14133.765, "text": "Uh at this time I'll go through the RTSs uh in the order that they received prior to uh breaking for lunch. Counselor Tyres, why don't you start us off?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 14134.365, "end": 14184.645, "text": "Uh sure. Yeah, so I supported uh this in December. It seems like a good idea to figure out um where we're spending our money, that we're doing it efficiently, effectively. Um I'm very interested in the business unit selection process. So um you did outline how it was going to work, but um I think it said something about administration's um interpretation of council's uh priorities. And I I don't know, I just didn't feel comfortable with that. I feel like there should be a way that council is going to be engaged because I'm sure that each of us would have in mind specific business units that we'd like to address first. Um so I was just wondering how council is going to be um engaged in that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14187.505, "end": 14189.745, "text": "So I can start off. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14190.125, "end": 14196.005, "text": "so from the perspective of the criteria and just going off memory, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14197.065, "end": 14240.985, "text": "One of the criteria is aligning with the priorities of council. Some of the others are readiness of the area, and that aligns with either events we have going on already in that area or some of the lifting they'll be doing heading into the fall. And then the last criteria is really around just order of magnitude. So for some of the areas, if it's a very small budget, it may not drive the value in going through that exercise as much as a larger one would. So from that perspective, it's it's in the criteria." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14242.485, "end": 14265.665, "text": "Council's uh strategies and priorities that were uh just recently set. Some of that work will also take place when we do the matching between uh what were the prior um council priorities, the current council priorities, and our understanding of the gaps and what's in in between those, and we'll be bringing that back as part of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14266.325, "end": 14295.445, "text": "Uh aligning the budget work in the latter part of May. So we can continue that conversation and have council highlight the top five, ten areas that they would be uh their preferred items of focus, but we still want to look at and um impact that with readiness and size of the budgets to be looked at as well. So that would that would be my only" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14295.705, "end": 14295.825, "text": "Okay," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14296.065, "end": 14300.105, "text": "what order would that be?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14300.145, "end": 14304.485, "text": "Thanks, Mayor. If I could, Counselor Tyrers on attachment one, if you go to page twenty-five." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14305.645, "end": 14307.465, "text": "If you look at phase zero," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 14308.625, "end": 14309.025, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14309.785, "end": 14321.925, "text": "at the very bottom it actually says engage council and business units to gather data for business unit selections. So there will be some engagement with council going forward as the business units are selected. So there will be more information coming to you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 14322.685, "end": 14331.105, "text": "Okay, yeah, I'm just curious about the order of that. Like, does um administration come to us with a report saying based on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 14331.605, "end": 14344.025, "text": "um based on your priorities and these different um categories, this is what we suggest, or are you gonna maybe like send us a survey? We send you the information, you incorporate that. I just want to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 14344.785, "end": 14346.445, "text": "figure out how that will work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 14346.745, "end": 14352.425, "text": "Because you said like you know counselors might have five to ten uh different priorities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14353.725, "end": 14354.665, "text": "so I think." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14355.505, "end": 14384.965, "text": "Ideally, I'd like to leverage as many of the already set meetings that we have in place. And so we definitely could add this to what we bring and the conversation we have at the end of May. And that could form the basis of here's how the criteria are looking from the KPMG model, and then we can get your feedback either as that's aligned or questions and desire to change some of them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 14385.445, "end": 14387.225, "text": "Okay, great. Looking forward to it. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14388.805, "end": 14390.285, "text": "Thank you, Counselor Jameson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 14392.365, "end": 14405.865, "text": "Uh thank you. Uh Councillor Tyres actually exact asked the exact question that I was wondering, which was what what the three were gonna be and and how our engagement was gonna or how council was gonna be engaged. So you actually answered my question. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14408.045, "end": 14409.165, "text": "Thank you, Councilor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14410.085, "end": 14411.725, "text": "I was also going to ask that question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14413.145, "end": 14423.345, "text": "But I'll ask it, I'll ask it a day. But it is if you want to go down that line, if we're going to select business units, I think we'd probably want to pick the largest ones where we where we could find the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14423.585, "end": 14425.985, "text": "the most savings. But how do we do it then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14426.265, "end": 14430.345, "text": "when there's maybe some overlap between departments? Say you picked a un business unit" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14431.345, "end": 14434.085, "text": "like parks or planning, they overlap. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14434.645, "end": 14438.805, "text": "how does that work then if you're going to select one business unit and they overlap with other departments?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14440.065, "end": 14441.205, "text": "Does that make any sense?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 14441.545, "end": 14463.065, "text": "May maybe I can speak to that just to start with. So so within our business model, there's there's two phases. There's a quantitative scoring criteria that kind of gives a short list. And then I think that needs to be tempted with a bit of a sense check to look at the different departments. Should they be done together? Um is it overloading a certain part of the organization at any one time? So I think that there's that due process as part of that second phase of the framework." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14465.405, "end": 14469.605, "text": "Yeah, I think you guys are gonna be experts. Thank you for all your work that you folks have done at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14469.745, "end": 14470.685, "text": "KPMG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14471.265, "end": 14474.805, "text": "Um I think it was slide six or seven and when you talked about how" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14475.325, "end": 14478.325, "text": "it's gonna be a hybrid that you are going to be working with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14478.785, "end": 14482.005, "text": "this council. Did you maybe throw that chart up because it has the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14482.445, "end": 14483.225, "text": "flow chart of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14484.445, "end": 14485.485, "text": "I think six or seven?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14494.065, "end": 14495.785, "text": "I think maybe we have the second presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14495.785, "end": 14498.665, "text": "Maybe it's a second page. I I guess what I'm getting to here" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14499.265, "end": 14503.085, "text": "is in previous when we've done the zero based budget review." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14503.865, "end": 14510.505, "text": "Was it done the same way 'cause I I think what the public is always looking for is some impartiality, some external independent type of a review." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14512.125, "end": 14516.065, "text": "This is seems to be a hybrid of both. You're gonna be working still retaining" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14516.465, "end": 14518.705, "text": "your organization with the administration. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14518.965, "end": 14519.365, "text": "has that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14519.665, "end": 14523.665, "text": "always been the way it's done in other organizations or is there such a thing as just a completely" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14523.985, "end": 14525.665, "text": "external, independent audit?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14526.145, "end": 14529.005, "text": "Type type of zero based budgeting? I'm just not sure how the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14529.905, "end": 14532.045, "text": "w w where both of these fit together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14533.345, "end": 14591.365, "text": "So um I would just start from my experience and then perhaps you can enhance it. Um in my experience I've never had it that um it's either been one extreme or the other. So it's you know to have solely it done by external consulting, I think loses some of the value of that localized knowledge and that here's how things are uh currently working, or here are the stress points, or here's what's next for us. So I think that helps mitigate um sort of that unknown factor. And then I think um when it's uh a higher proportion on in-house only, I think it's hard to challenge uh existing norms and existing culture and behavior um when you don't have that sort of objective line of a of a third party in. So I I would say um I've not seen it you know solely one or the other. And I think it's really more of an art science about how um you blend those two together. But uh if you want to add to that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 14591.645, "end": 14611.705, "text": "Uh maybe I'll just add that um so there's flexibility in the program regarding the use of external consultants providing specialist expertise as you you work through the different business units. Um the the intent was not to have one kind of consultant throughout the whole process. It was more like you bring in expertise for that specific business unit as you as you engage them to provide deeper insight and more challenge." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14612.085, "end": 14614.565, "text": "Yeah, no, I I think that makes uh a lot of sense." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14614.905, "end": 14618.565, "text": "I think transparency is gonna be key, just to make sure the public understands" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14618.865, "end": 14621.905, "text": "we're all doing this in the best interest administration. Everybody seems to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14622.125, "end": 14625.905, "text": "agree it's the right thing to do. So just make sure the public knows that we should all be good. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14626.165, "end": 14627.185, "text": "again, thanks for all your work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 14630.145, "end": 14631.985, "text": "Thank you, Counselor Penizopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 14632.045, "end": 14665.625, "text": "I wanted to start off that I really like this approach. I see the difference being the governance structure, that there's accountability at a GM level that are working together, and also the fact that the baseline is service level maintenance and then looking for efficiencies. So Calgarians know exactly that it's not a goal to cut services. We often hear that at budget time. What do you want to cut? And I love the purpose of this is what do you want to maintain at a level and then efficiencies with that? Maybe the first question to the CFO I think your words were a concern about the expenditure of 4.5. We're a $10 billion budget, so that's less than 0.1% of our capital Nopex." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 14666.445, "end": 14674.785, "text": "Why would you think that would be a concern? Do you think that there isn't 0.1 or 0.005 of potential synergies and savings in the budget?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14675.925, "end": 14695.065, "text": "Thanks for that question. So my concern was exactly the latter part, just to make sure that as we're progressing through this and and also the goal of the pilot is to say and understand here are the costs we're incurring, but also here's the value or the efficiencies that we're seeing. And to part that was highlighted earlier." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14695.405, "end": 14742.665, "text": "By KPMG and their presentation is for me it's it's not just being able to highlight those efficiencies, it's how we actually bring them in, implement them, and and record them. So in past exercises here and at other organizations, there's been uh sort of like an early celebration. We found X, um, but not necessarily you're able to actually recover that X. And so for me, that's why I'm uh wanted to highlight that yes, we can uh and across our budget, um yes, that amount of money is is not a very large amount, but it's really to be cognizant that what's identified, we have to be able to implement and record and have that on our books as the change, um not just identifying potentialities. And so that that was my point about where my focus was at." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 14742.845, "end": 14759.105, "text": "I love the that that to me is the accountability in the government's food feedback loop. It's not hurrah, we found a million and it turns out to be zero, so perfect. Uh later on you speak of of a 10 year program. Upon success, the given that there is um uh repeatability as defined right here, is that something we could accelerate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 14759.945, "end": 14765.245, "text": "Take it from three to six or nine if we find out it's working really, really well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14765.605, "end": 14769.885, "text": "Uh from my perspective, uh the delta is is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 14770.665, "end": 14801.565, "text": "I think relates to the cost that we would incur and also the load on staff. So some of those areas, when we talked about criteria and readiness, depending on what other initiatives and what other activities we have, we may be able to after the pilot, we may look around and say this is working as planned or better and let's accelerate it. But I think it would be more a matter of readiness of areas so that we don't do unintentional uh negative impacts on some of those areas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 14801.985, "end": 14816.745, "text": "Just curious with the KPMG, you mentioned you're going to look at gross operating expenditures. Our capital spend is equal to our operating. Why wouldn't you look at capital as well as part of your approach for potential synergies and when you look at a business unit for a pilot?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 14817.725, "end": 14833.285, "text": "Um so I mean we've been focusing on kind of the operational budget, but obviously some of the operational budget supports capital. Um so as part of the selection criteria and as working with the business units, we would be looking at predominantly operational budget, but obviously some of it impacts on downstream on capital budgets." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 14833.345, "end": 14852.585, "text": "I'd suggest capital as well. We just had a conversation where 50% of a capital spend came out of property tax, and a 1% movement in capex would flow right up to top of house property tax. So if you when you do through that, maybe after the pilot, I'd love to think about capital uh spending as well, just because it is almost identical in dollar amount." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 14853.365, "end": 14855.225, "text": "Let me just go through uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 14856.565, "end": 14865.225, "text": "a couple on KPMGs. Um yeah, the design works very well. I I really like that that governance structure you have. I think it just goes um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 14866.345, "end": 14868.425, "text": "maybe just about. I didn't see any" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 14868.805, "end": 14871.825, "text": "goals or objectives and and quantify. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 14872.245, "end": 14886.085, "text": "how do we measure success? What would be administrations and KPMG? What sort of expectations you you lead the smart city practice? What sort of expectations should we accept as a baseline to judge whether this proposal was successful or or not?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 14886.765, "end": 14948.525, "text": "Yes, thank you very much, Councillor. That's a good question. So we were quite intentional not to put sort of cost-saving targets on this. One of the things we've learned from reviewing a lot of other organizations has done that. When people involved in the program see this as a purely cost-savings program, it leads to very different results and kind of different behaviors. So we're very conscious not to focus this and frame this as a cost-saving exercise, which is why the title implements efficiency and implementation. So I think that's one of the first things to mention. And then in terms of actual goals, this is meant to be a, we've designed it so it's a cycle. So we'll there'll be a pilot, and then you can stop that, you can stop, take pause, take stock of where you are at the end of the kind of the first phase, see how that's gone. And I believe after that first phase might be a good time to start thinking about potential KPIs that you might want to use going forward into the future. But at this stage, um we didn't want to uh associate anything to kind of restrict uh the where the program might um end up going." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 14948.965, "end": 14972.365, "text": "When I'm going through a process like this, they have to have teeth. And one note you have here, as part of the program, business units are encouraged to identify opportunities. How do we build teeth into this that if there is opportunities, that we actually get them to bring them forward, that we implement when when there's language like encouraged versus I don't want to say mandated, but the expectation or that sort of more tougher language?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 14972.925, "end": 15024.885, "text": "And I think that's part of the the governance structure that we we set out and the accountability in terms of actually recording the benefits and the efficiencies realized after implementation. We've been involved in many of these similar exercises, and there's often comes up with a lot of good opportunities, a lot of good ideas. But either they're one-off events for one year and they don't have kind of sustaining impact, or they don't actually get implemented. So the the intent, and actually going back to your previous question around the timing of this, it's intentionally been kind of designed to be a slower process to make sure that we're driving lasting change and to actually look at efficiencies. As was mentioned this morning, you know, the population is increasing a lot, but how can you sort of bend the curve in terms of those efficiencies? May not necessarily be cost savings today, but actual efficiencies down the line. So it's a it's a long term outlook that we've been we've designed this program for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15025.345, "end": 15027.505, "text": "You mentioned you reviewed the 11 previous." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15028.065, "end": 15032.625, "text": "Internal documents for these initiatives. What were some of the learnings that you built into this review?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 15033.585, "end": 15062.465, "text": "Um so I don't want to go into all the details, but I mean there were so what we took is some of the the what worked well and some of the things that didn't work so well. Um there was a lot of positives coming out of the last review, but I I think one of the things that we definitely wanted to emphasize, and we learnt this through our uh jurisdictional scan, is that implementation piece and that accountability piece, making sure this is an actual implementation program, not just an identification program. Um so that's something that we've made uh front and center as part of the design of this program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15062.825, "end": 15077.305, "text": "And there will definitely be a balance between external consultant and internal because you're asking internal people to find efficiencies, which generally has more time and effort for them. So KPMG or the consultants will be involved in bringing up to the committee recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 15077.925, "end": 15089.865, "text": "Uh yeah, so there's there's designed to be flexibility and I believe in the budget for for consultants, whether it's KPMG or someone else, um to provide that specific expertise as related to the the business units in question. Obviously they they vary quite a lot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 15090.785, "end": 15094.045, "text": "My time's up. I'm looking forward to hearing the results at Executive Committee. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15095.085, "end": 15096.405, "text": "Thank you, Counselor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 15098.805, "end": 15100.245, "text": "Thank you, Worship. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 15101.905, "end": 15107.005, "text": "This is great. Real really excited. Uh I was happy to vote for this and like get it get it to this point. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 15109.005, "end": 15142.945, "text": "I admit that I've had not a whole lot of time to review this, being in a meeting for 12 hours straight every day since we basically got the agenda. My couple of questions just on that on that side, and I apologize in advance if any of them are sort of addressed within within here in the sections I haven't read yet. But I wonder if you can just, in your experience, uh KPMG, doing this, what sort of is usually the breakdown between efficiencies and cost savings, like percentage wise, that you just that you've discovered in previous ones of these that you've done?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 15143.505, "end": 15191.065, "text": "Yeah, and it depends how you measure it. Um, I mean, efficiencies can lead to cost savings, but there's there's putting to, for example, resources to higher and better use. So there's different ways of measuring it. Um, so as part of this, we wanted to make clear this wasn't a purely cost savings initiative in terms of you know shaving X percent. It was much more how can we drive efficiencies, whether that's through the use of resources, whether that's organizational, whether that's improved processes, reducing duplication. So it was much more from the the efficiency perspective. Uh we didn't actually tie that specifically to cost savings. Uh but to my to the point I I mentioned to the other counselor just now, we are looking at this as this uh as a means to look out further into the future. So, how can you drive those cost efficiencies that perhaps will yield more benefit accumulating as more into the future as the population naturally grows?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 15191.305, "end": 15196.925, "text": "Well, in a process like that, how do you come uh quantify those uh efficiencies? Or do we?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 15197.425, "end": 15240.025, "text": "So there's different ways of doing that, and I would what I'd recommend is a bunch of simple sort of KPI uh metrics, if you like, in terms of either hours saved or um you know potential repurposing of staff. Um there's other options in terms of improving improving process flows in some cases, for example, which can yield to um either time savings. So, for example, from a permitting perspective, maybe you'll save time savings and things like that. So there's different ways, I think, for each business unit. There may be slightly different metrics, if you like. And so one of the things at the start of um phase one in our program is to actually set out what the expectations are for the program, what some reasonable, meaningful metrics might be for those individual business units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 15240.525, "end": 15269.725, "text": "Uh to see if Ho Tucker uh what's in front of us today is to approve $1 million, but essentially we're approving all $4 million because looking at the timeline, uh we'll only be in phase one when we get to budget uh 2027. And so that would be a really dumb place to stop the project, if you will. Um just wanted to confirm that that is correct that we uh we're by approving this here today, we essentially are approving the first pilot project of all three business units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15272.505, "end": 15299.725, "text": "I mean essentially that would be the uh to your point I think the word was most uh the assumed or what would be expected to go. But there still is the reality that when a decision is made in November, um that this could be curtailed. So there's no guaranteed lock that those dollars have to be spent. The logical progression of the pilot is that it would be, um, but it's it's not guaranteed that those dollars would be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 15300.625, "end": 15331.665, "text": "Um and then just uh I want to talk a little bit about more about the the schedule in terms of there. So at what point in that process would we be uh getting the feedback on phase one and at what point would we be being asked to commit, sorry, not phase one, pardon me, the first three business units, and at what point would we be committing to the second three business units? Because just taking a look at the schedule that's in here, it it it appears to be quite the overlap between uh um between the first three and the second three. And right now we're only talking about the pilot project for the first three, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15332.805, "end": 15333.445, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 15337.305, "end": 15348.405, "text": "Essentially the reason I'm asking the question is like are we going to be asked to approve uh going ahead with group two before we've seen the results of group one?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15349.025, "end": 15410.265, "text": "So cohort two from a business unit mobilization we have as June 27 and our implementation is also June 27. So we'll be able to report back at a high level as we go through that process of the first. Or maybe another counselor, sorry. But earlier it was asked what success looks like. And I think those are great great points that were raised. But in in our environment, one more that may be uh evaluated and and we'll have to think about is the idea that if certain areas are growing and their volumes are growing by 8% or 6% or 10%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15410.445, "end": 15459.685, "text": "However, through some of this work, we're able to meet those volumes but only grow our costs by 4% or 5%. That delta would be of a lot of value and something to recognize and take that as success. However, on the face of it at a very high level, there would still be a cost increase potentially in that area. We would just have been able to achieve a lower cost increase to take on, absorb, or deal with a larger volume. So that and I think that's a really key point. It was made earlier about cost cutting versus efficiency. We still may see in certain areas a call or a request for additional dollars to handle these volumes, but the amount of that request or the cost per would be at a lower rate. And that would be, in my opinion, a measure of success as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 15460.165, "end": 15469.985, "text": "And then just taking a look at the schedule in uh November for the four year uh business plan and budget, are we going to be asked to approve the dollars for the second group, the third group, et cetera?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 15474.405, "end": 15478.285, "text": "Just noting that that schedule goes over multiple over the full four years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15479.245, "end": 15487.685, "text": "That's an excellent question. And when we complete the overlays that are coming to you in May, I'll have a more complete answer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 15489.505, "end": 15510.925, "text": "I appreciate that. Yeah. I have some concerns about the uh when to start the second phase, the or the second, the third, et cetera. Maybe last question with my time here. I wonder if you can just talk a little bit about uh the the in-between the business units. The uh I think another counselor touched on it really briefly, but uh there are items that kind of uh the interplay between business units," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 15511.425, "end": 15528.205, "text": "that's where a lot of efficiencies frequently are found. And so I'm just wondering if you can speak to that in terms of like how are we addressing that through this? I.e., are the three business units that are being selected connected in some way? So we're addressing those efficiencies, or is it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 15528.665, "end": 15536.605, "text": "They get addressed with business unit A and business unit B will deal with this half of the process. I'm just wondering if you can speak to that from your experience, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 15536.725, "end": 15595.805, "text": "Yes, happy to speak to that, Councillor. So some business units, for example, are sort of more enabling, so they support other parts of the organization. So it inevitably when you when you work with those business units, that will involve touch points with other parts of the organizations. So part of our phase one, where we kind of uh assemble the business, stand up the business units teams, there will be discussion around what are those different interfaces and what do other people need to be in the room from other parts of the organization to support this specific business unit. So I believe in that phase is where you'll identify what are those interdependencies, uh either from one unit business unit to another or vice versa. Um and similarly, if this is more of an internal facing business unit, let's say HR Finance IT, for example, they support multiple parts of the organization. Um again, during phase one, there'll be conversations around does there required engagement and what are the with other parts of the organization, what do those touch points and info interfaces look like in terms of a process efficiency perspective?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 15596.045, "end": 15604.185, "text": "Thank you. I'm out of time, but if another counselor wanted to ask about that matrix relation or a matrix organization and how that works, that'd be great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15605.465, "end": 15607.545, "text": "Thank you so much, uh Counselor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15608.885, "end": 15628.945, "text": "Um the four million dollar cost associated with it, is that total costs, like including costs of time from administration with the business units, all those kinds of pieces baked in to support this effort? Or is that just the costs dollars wise that are associated? It's the budget ask." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15630.205, "end": 15639.865, "text": "That would include the program team, the one-time business unit resources, their and or their required backfill, and then uh external consultants." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15640.365, "end": 15647.165, "text": "Right. So the time within the business units that are being audited and those it is that in sorry," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15647.765, "end": 15654.445, "text": "To the extent that we would be uh requiring to backfill, then those additional costs would be captured in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15654.445, "end": 15657.465, "text": "they are captured in there? Okay, okay, great. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15657.925, "end": 15659.385, "text": "there's the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15659.905, "end": 15676.605, "text": "$400 million worth of um for the three programs that are listed. Do you have a uh breakdown or percentages around what with those three pilot um business units, what those areas, how it breaks down" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15678.445, "end": 15682.525, "text": "percentage wise? So that there was like I I think it was uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15682.825, "end": 15687.445, "text": "or was it here? It's just after the chart. If the preliminary uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15688.285, "end": 15725.245, "text": "Uh prioritization the pilot program would review three business units with a budget of over 400 million in gross operating expenditures in 2026, 109.9%, 10% of the city's 2026 gross operating budget. So those three teams, central project team, BU resources, and external consultants making up those three business units. Do you have an understanding of the breakdown of that $400? Are they, is it 33%? Like are they kind of one third, one third, one third? Just given that's a big selection criteria, thinking about this pilot, and then also uh on future potential phases." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15726.525, "end": 15746.205, "text": "To the point that we don't have that finalized, um, but uh I can say that they're uh tentatively until we confirm with um they're relatively larger um areas. And so it's not quite uh you know landing at one third, one third, one third, but um they're they're definitely larger uh areas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15746.205, "end": 15751.865, "text": "It's not like there's two that are larger and one smaller. They're all fairly like similar-sized areas. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15752.185, "end": 15757.685, "text": "Uh one's a little bit smaller, but I mean we don't have anything that's a very small entity and then these two large, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15757.685, "end": 15759.745, "text": "Okay. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15761.565, "end": 15773.045, "text": "The change in selection criteria between phases one and two, there seems to be some slight modifications in the criteria of selection. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15774.225, "end": 15783.105, "text": "but a lot of it I'm just seeing it's kind of like verbiage changes and a couple of things being bundled up, but I'm wondering if I'm missing something there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 15783.465, "end": 15784.825, "text": "Between phase one and phase two?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15784.825, "end": 15785.785, "text": "Phase one and phase two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 15785.785, "end": 15802.465, "text": "Okay. So th there was two um there was two assessments. The first assessment was to assess which business units to proceed with the phase. The second assessment was more to look at the individual opportunities coming out of the that was what was identified as part of uh the review process. Is that what you're referring to?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15802.465, "end": 15819.085, "text": "Oh, I see. I see what you're saying. Those are for the uh implementation. Gotcha. That's not phase one and phase two as in like pilot versus selection criteria. I I got you. Okay. Uh and then from the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15820.785, "end": 15849.385, "text": "The difference between actually then the ID and then the implementation when we're looking at our previous, and maybe this is more of a question from administration, we're looking at redoing something that we've done in the past. There's been this sort of identification as a potential fall down between identification of areas versus implementation. Is it a fall down, or is it that we recognize that actually, oh, the elements that were ID'd were" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15850.085, "end": 15860.305, "text": "critical pieces, they're things that we couldn't get rid of, or uh, you know, why we didn't sort of see that and where this would be different than what we experienced with." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15861.365, "end": 15862.765, "text": "Zebiar in the past." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15863.225, "end": 15965.945, "text": "So, um from my perspective, I wouldn't say I wouldn't characterize that the last program had necessarily uh a fall down or uh negative attributes around that. A couple things I would highlight though is the last program ran from 2011 to 2020, and the world has changed dramatically from when some of those programs were first looked at, what was the expectations, the environment, the demands, those types of things, and even what tools we had available. You know, from that side has changed as well. So, from the perspective of what we can bring now, looking back at those, there's value to be extracted. Um, specifically to your point about what was identified and implemented versus potentially not implemented. And I think the with a focus that we have now on that, what I would call finish line aspect, um, I think we'll have a much higher proportion of when we identify something that has that potential with that energy to go to the finish line, we'll bring back those dollars or those efficiencies. I think pri previously, some of the work that was done, there was more of an energy around identification of potentials, and that word is exactly potential. So some of those turned into reality. When further investigation uh took place, some of those, you know, even between when it was identified and going to mutation, some things changed, but also some of those um they were just they were as defined, potentials. And so I think there was a larger gap between potentiality and and what was implemented. And I really like this approach around having that focus really at what goes from um you know the work, the planning, the identification, but the implementation is really the the emphasis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15966.445, "end": 15977.885, "text": "In theory, though, we would also potentially see less items identified and less cost savings potentially identified because we're actually doing more rigor at that front end and sort of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 15978.645, "end": 15993.645, "text": "maybe not just identifying, oh, there could be some money here, could be some money here. If we're doing further rigor and actually making those choices earlier in the stage, we might also see less outcomes given sort of that rigor in the earlier parts of the process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15993.645, "end": 15998.665, "text": "Thank you, Counselor. You're just a time, but I'll uh I'll ask for that question to be answered. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15998.745, "end": 16046.485, "text": "So the way I would look at that is I think the the catchment is still around what's possible, those potentials. So we will find different areas that have and come up with ideas for themselves, efficiency, et cetera. But what I think is different is the energy that goes all the way to which of those can be implemented and where can we actually see a difference, whether it's in efficiencies or cost savings or a better way to connect to another group. So I think the the catchment is, I don't think will be any different. It's just that we have more focus on ensuring that those that can be implemented are implemented, and then we report on that final part of the whole process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16048.025, "end": 16048.365, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16049.525, "end": 16051.205, "text": "Thank you. Deputy American please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16052.245, "end": 16059.105, "text": "Um, excuse me, borrowing a bit of language from the opportunity section here, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16060.585, "end": 16065.565, "text": "is this creating any duplication with what we're already doing within the city and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16066.785, "end": 16069.225, "text": "with different corporate strategies and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16070.225, "end": 16079.765, "text": "different reviews that we always have ongoing, is there value to be added here on top of the work that we're already doing as a city to look at these types of things," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 16081.965, "end": 16120.985, "text": "Maybe maybe I can start and then I'll hand it over to administration. Um so the intent is definitely not to duplicate and fully recognize there's uh ongoing initiatives across the uh across the city. Um so as part of this and as part of kind of standing up that initial uh planning phase will be to understand what one, what's happened in the past, so potentially what what uh opportunities were identified in the past, what are ongoing initiatives that may, I don't know, overlap or clash with the with these potential ones. So that those are sort of fielded up front before that you actually get into the review. So the intent is that there would be that step, if you like, to to assess that before diving into the detail and making sure there's not that duplication." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 16122.305, "end": 16125.985, "text": "And and I would just uh add on that the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 16126.765, "end": 16150.945, "text": "The concept of understanding more integration between the areas, whether it's uh existing workload or activities that's already underway, I think that's uh uh much has a much higher focus uh as this plan is being built out to address exactly that issue of stopping or identifying areas of potential duplication." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16152.425, "end": 16154.205, "text": "including with this process itself?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16155.645, "end": 16165.285, "text": "Like seeing if this process is duplicating work that we're already doing to say, yeah, okay. And then as far as the scope of what this is looking at, um, given that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16165.925, "end": 16174.245, "text": "when we look at, and I know it's not a perfect comparison, but Calgary, as far as FTEs compared to service delivery and population, we're already" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16175.285, "end": 16178.585, "text": "much more efficient than lots of other cities around the country." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16179.405, "end": 16180.345, "text": "Is there," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16181.025, "end": 16195.665, "text": "would we ever do this and say, actually, you don't have enough people working here, or you you are severely underfunded here, or you need more people to help do this? Is the scope such that that could be recognized as well and delivered to us?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 16198.245, "end": 16223.085, "text": "May I I can start that off. Um so I mean essentially this is about efficiencies and doing uh more with less, uh essentially, uh looking into the future. Um but I think those sort of situations may come up as part of this exercise. We may realize there are bottlenecks or pain points for whatever reasons due to maybe pinch points where there's not enough staff in the city. So those may be flagged, but that's not the underlying intent. The underlying intent is really to drive efficiencies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16224.445, "end": 16240.345, "text": "So then I guess to put that another way, if efficiencies, if there if it's possible to find efficiencies through, say adding additional staff or additional resources, if the result is efficiencies and not cost savings is the focus," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16241.565, "end": 16250.985, "text": "could that would that be something within your scope to say you could actually become more efficient if you resourced this department slightly more than you are now?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 16251.905, "end": 16290.245, "text": "So maybe I should just clarify something. So as part of this, we're not looking at changing levels of service. That was clear. Because once you start focusing on levels of service, it creates different kinds of dynamics. So the intent is what can you do to maintain the level of service with what you have and do things more efficiently. So the intent will be through process reviews, through organization reviews, through these kinds of things to identify what can be done. If it turns out that certain there are opportunities to add resources that might generate other potential savings or offset other efficiencies, I think those would need to be brought to the table for between administration and council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16290.625, "end": 16292.985, "text": "Okay, great. Yeah, I'm just hoping that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16293.725, "end": 16299.905, "text": "that we have enough perspectives if we go through this process to not only just look at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16300.385, "end": 16314.885, "text": "what can be say reduced or made more efficient, but as you mentioned, there's a long term aspect to this that for long term efficiency, if cost savings isn't the focused, that to maintain service levels." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16316.225, "end": 16339.865, "text": "That I'm hoping and maybe you can tell me that this type of process would actually tell us how we could improve efficiencies not just in the short term but in the long term and to give us some strategies of how to properly resource or look at the ways that business units are functioning so that we know what to provide them as far as the decisions that we make, if that makes sense." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 16340.345, "end": 16357.645, "text": "That makes sense. And typically coming out of these reviews, um, we identify different ways of doing things. So maybe there's higher and better use for uh for resources in in terms of actual processes and and moving things around. So I think as part of that those will be surfaced. Um but just kind of reiterating the intention is to to look at efficiency." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16358.865, "end": 16362.665, "text": "And then last question around the previous ZBR that occurred at the city" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16364.925, "end": 16368.065, "text": "do we have any information available that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16368.825, "end": 16371.305, "text": "Shows us things that we may have cut" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16371.725, "end": 16384.505, "text": "or reduced from that that have actually been added back in, or or things that were maintained as part of that review that we had to say look back and go, actually we shouldn't have done that. And now this is back in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 16386.205, "end": 16426.745, "text": "So to that point, I don't have that information with me today, but we can undertake to uh look through the various areas that had the ZBR work done. Um I believe there were 12 areas that took place during that 10-year period, and um have the group look through and get an understanding of excuse me, what were the findings and to the extent we have information back that far, what was implemented, and then to your point, if we can identify, because we have had some realignments and some changes since that time in terms of what is still um in place." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16427.745, "end": 16429.765, "text": "I just ask any of the GMs if you have any" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 16430.065, "end": 16461.345, "text": "May maybe I can chime in on a couple case studies, perhaps, and give you kind of the good and the bad. For instance, in when we did Calgary Transit ZBR, we looked at contracting out outside maintenance, which is the cleaning of stations and LRT. We realized savings from that, and that currently is in place. The second case study I'll give you is uh for parks where we contracted out much of our mowing and maintenance. Uh, we've been challenged with the market has changed over time, and having to look at alternatives now bringing stuff more in house. So it's all" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 16461.685, "end": 16479.745, "text": "I guess from our perspective, an evolution of the business with expert advice to kind of help us adjust and to drive the success. And you just have to be careful looking at kind of the long term implications and risk of the recommendations that could come forward. Uh but we have made use of the program and it has evolved operations over time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 16483.025, "end": 16502.245, "text": "Counselor, with regards and through the chair, with regards to the civic census, we've talked about that a lot in these chambers. Um, and so while there was a savings of one million dollars, um the impact to all of our work has has been significant, and we're now looking to reinstate the civic census, and it will be a lot more than one million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 16503.225, "end": 16504.645, "text": "That's what I'll just say for now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16512.505, "end": 16513.745, "text": "Got three seconds on the clock." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16514.805, "end": 16515.305, "text": "Oh, sir." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16515.865, "end": 16519.085, "text": "It stated that I realized my time was up and I'm done." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16519.325, "end": 16519.965, "text": "Oh, okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 16519.965, "end": 16520.405, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16520.585, "end": 16521.525, "text": "Uh Counselor Daliwell." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16523.325, "end": 16526.745, "text": "Don't want those three seconds, it's not gonna make a difference. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16527.685, "end": 16528.845, "text": "Go have his three seconds." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16529.305, "end": 16540.585, "text": "just quickly, because I know we are spending too much time. We got big CDC tomorrow. I don't want this to be spilled over to afternoon. Uh just uh just a couple questions. How is it different?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16541.185, "end": 16543.365, "text": "And what are you expecting to achieve" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16543.745, "end": 16547.005, "text": "out of this process that we are not already achieving?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16547.285, "end": 16554.885, "text": "That's my number one. Second, uh, what is the predetermined outcome? Or are we just going to do it this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16555.405, "end": 16560.805, "text": "activity to see what we can unearth earth and find any savings?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 16562.825, "end": 16563.445, "text": "Yeah, start off." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 16563.965, "end": 16581.825, "text": "Um yeah, may maybe I can and start off. Um so in terms of the difference between this program and the last program, as we've mentioned quite a few times, there's a lot more rigor around the implementation phase of things. Um I would also compare this program to other, I guess, cost efficiency-like programs that the cities had in in the past, which maybe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 16582.105, "end": 16616.585, "text": "We're much more kind of broad but not as deep. This is meant to be a deep uh deep dive into those individual business units to look forward uh many years for sustainable efficiency going into the future. So I think the different outcomes would be more sustainable benefits. Typically, what I've seen elsewhere when um organizations do similar type of cost efficiency reviews is there's some initial uh kind of uh benefits and realize, but sometimes it's just moving money around in budgets, sometimes just deferring things one or two years. So, as part of this, we're actually looking at how can we have sustainable benefits going out in many years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16618.405, "end": 16641.965, "text": "Well I'm just trying to think of safe program that was implemented by 2017-2021 Council with a target that we gotta bring this kind of savings. 60 million, I believe it was across the board that had an outcome, predetermined outcome. And we are still feeling the results of that, but that's a different story. Just want to understand, like is there some number in mind that you guys are gonna work towards?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 16642.585, "end": 16643.765, "text": "Um so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 16644.205, "end": 16712.885, "text": "In terms of a predetermined outcome or a number, we do not have a predetermined number. I think the other part that is a bit more unique this time is the heavier focus on efficiencies. And the example I used earlier is that we may have areas that would have seen volume of 10%. And through some of the efficiency work, they may be able in the future, and this sort of longer term view to be able to manage that volume at a much lower increase. So it still would be increases for that area, but instead of a 10% increase potentially to deal with that volume, they may now be able to comfortably look at a much smaller percent increase. So it wouldn't be a cut, it wouldn't register as part of that, you know, grab the savings uh mission from different um cycles that have happened before. But it's really that what can we do that you can implement? It's sustainable, and in many cases brings you efficiency, which is that ongoing savings, if you will, in your ability to deal with uh volume coming into your area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16713.105, "end": 16716.665, "text": "Yeah, so all your expenses should be covered by the income that's zero" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16717.685, "end": 16723.345, "text": "based. All your expenses must be covered by with your income with no money left. That's zero based." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 16725.125, "end": 16727.745, "text": "I uh you might want to jump on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 16727.745, "end": 16732.885, "text": "Sorry, I I didn't understand the question. Are you asking what the zero-based review concept is?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 16733.665, "end": 16750.185, "text": "Oh, okay. Yeah, so the zero-based review concept is where you build up on the ground. It's a kind of a concept where you think about what are the services we actually need and what goes beyond that. So it's kind of a more ground up exercise. Uh it's not necessarily about starting the budget at zero, but you sort of build on what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 16750.585, "end": 16753.205, "text": "rather than starting where we are and kind of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 16753.505, "end": 16756.985, "text": "challenging and assessing everything you do, it's more of a bottom up approach." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16756.985, "end": 16759.205, "text": "Okay, great. Thank you. That's it for me, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 16759.505, "end": 16761.325, "text": "Thanks for answering all the questions. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16761.145, "end": 16762.225, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16771.285, "end": 16772.325, "text": "Councillor Johnston, you're up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 16772.325, "end": 16773.165, "text": "Yep. Sorry, I just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 16773.485, "end": 16774.985, "text": "put my DJ costume on here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 16776.905, "end": 16777.625, "text": "In a zero" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 16777.865, "end": 16788.925, "text": "based review for a matrix structured organization, what works well and what doesn't, especially for shared corporate services like facilities or infrastructure services, for example," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 16789.565, "end": 16794.585, "text": "would recreation facilities be reviewed as part of facilities or as part of recreation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 16795.705, "end": 16857.285, "text": "Um yeah, maybe I can kick that off. Um so I think we took we touched upon this a little bit earlier in terms of the dependencies and integration across the organization. And so definitely certain uh business units and departments have more of that interface. So I think as part of the prioritization exercise, there would be there would perhaps be an opportunity to look at maybe are there synergies to bring one or two of these forward. If not, then those individual, as you approach those individual business units, you would identify what are the other interdependent business units across the the organization that would need to play some part of the process, recognizing there's a bit of a push and pull factor here. So I think there's an opportunity in some cases to find those synergies and maybe consider them as part of one cohort. Um, alternatively looking at them individually. Um and just from experience where we've done similar exercises, we we've typically done them individually, and we identify kind of what are those dependencies either way from those individual business units, and we bring in the relevant uh individuals or representatives from those organizations to form part of that review process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 16858.325, "end": 16864.845, "text": "Right, because when I used to be a manager at the city of Calgary, we had the best organization in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16869.825, "end": 16876.865, "text": "Councilor Johnston, would you please withdraw those comments? I I perceive them as being directly mocking another member of council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16880.185, "end": 16880.525, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16881.705, "end": 16883.445, "text": "All right, thank you, uh Councillor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16886.085, "end": 16895.345, "text": "I'm gonna jump in uh myself. I believe looking around the table, I was the only member of council around for the save program that was deployed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16895.645, "end": 16896.725, "text": "From seven twenty" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16897.425, "end": 16898.725, "text": "twenty onwards. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16899.065, "end": 16907.985, "text": "I'm glad that it was raised previously, but one of the uh prime cost savings that was identified was the actual the was actually the elimination of the civic census. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16908.785, "end": 16910.705, "text": "um to the point previous," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16911.585, "end": 16916.165, "text": "it's not just this. There's many other areas where we chased really short term benefits." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16916.485, "end": 16918.185, "text": "The consultant got their money," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16918.505, "end": 16919.205, "text": "they got paid." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16919.545, "end": 16923.525, "text": "We had the relatively short kind of blip of savings, but then we realized." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16924.165, "end": 16928.405, "text": "Oh damn, we're in a situation now we're actually having to play catch up and we're having to pay more" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16928.705, "end": 16932.225, "text": "overall rather than just keeping those foundational investments in place." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16932.625, "end": 16941.725, "text": "First question is what kind of guardrails are gonna be there in terms of ensuring that this is actually a long term benefit for Calgaryans rather than just uh short term gain for long term pain." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 16944.025, "end": 16974.645, "text": "Yeah, I could I can start it off. Um so I think uh compared to the SAVE program, which was much more of a cost savings program with with targets, it it incentivized very different kind of kind of short-term thinking. This is very much about looking at long term efficiency uh across the city and driving those efficiencies and potential associated savings across the longer term, rather than specifying a specific target where you strive to do that in year one, and then you may kind of lose steam as as you go forward. This is a very different type of approach and a much more sustainable approach, in my opinion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16974.645, "end": 16977.705, "text": "So this is not a cost saving program and not with specific targets?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 16978.565, "end": 16979.305, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16979.885, "end": 16980.825, "text": "What it what is it then?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 16981.725, "end": 17019.125, "text": "It would be driving down the road of finding sustainable efficiencies within our organization. So in terms of how different areas deliver, what are their processes, and then evaluating those based on the staff we have as well as external experts to really get an understanding of can this be done more efficiently? And that really is the driver, not so much the can we find X amount this year? Because I think, as you mentioned, that has a motivation to take you in a place that is not as sustainable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17019.725, "end": 17023.085, "text": "Are you confident that we're gonna get at least the four million that we spend back?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 17025.765, "end": 17053.385, "text": "I'm looking forward to the outcomes that come from this process. And I think as we move through the various stages, I think we'll have much better information. I'm confident in the process. I think us as an organization going through this process will give us a lot of information and answer a lot of questions about the areas. But I'm going to hold my opinion back on what we'll actually find for sustainable efficiencies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17054.725, "end": 17058.445, "text": "And not to put you on the spot, you're probably you're not going to oversell." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17060.165, "end": 17064.105, "text": "Or claim that this is going to deliver more than with the four million investment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 17064.885, "end": 17105.725, "text": "At the stage we're at, I I don't really want uh to make any claims. I'm really confident in the process. And I think what is different for me, and and it was spoken about, but this concept of looking at how things work from an integrated perspective, and it was asked earlier about how do you know this won't impact another area, and I think that's a much larger amount of energy is is about that impact and um how areas relate to each other, but also the focus being on efficiency allows you to deliver long term results as opposed to the short term. So I'm I'll say I'm very confident in the process and looking forward to to the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17106.165, "end": 17107.785, "text": "Do you see this as" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17109.205, "end": 17115.745, "text": "and I I know speaking with CEO Duckworth, the the GMs around the table, do you see this as perhaps validating some of the efforts or the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17116.445, "end": 17119.605, "text": "um, from certain perspective, claims as far as Calgary" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17119.745, "end": 17122.685, "text": "uh corporately or efficiency, headcount numbers?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17123.085, "end": 17131.525, "text": "Are you relatively confident in the work that you've done to drive good value for what you have? And this is a validation exercise. Somebody external can come in and say we're doing the right things." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17131.765, "end": 17134.525, "text": "Or do you think that there's a lot of low-hanging fruit to be identified?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 17135.545, "end": 17176.345, "text": "I really truly don't think we have a lot of low-hanging fruit, but I think there could be value in some of the work around the integration points that was mentioned. So we have done a lot of great things, have found a lot of efficiencies and are delivering at a lower FT per thousand than other municipalities. But it doesn't mean that there still aren't ways that we could be better. And some of this, especially when you bring in people who are objective, who have seen many other organizations, we may have been looking at a problem from the center, and they would bring us a view that tells us we should look at it from the left, and new opportunities present themselves. So from that uh perspective, I'm I'm quite excited in that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17176.665, "end": 17181.205, "text": "And then for the consultant, can you give us a couple of examples of really big wins you found for other clients?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17181.905, "end": 17183.625, "text": "Quantitatively, like specific amounts?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 17184.085, "end": 17189.925, "text": "Uh I mean it it it really depends on the client. I mean it depends how you quantify efficiency and savings. Is it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17189.945, "end": 17192.925, "text": "I'd say other government clients and amount of money is the quantum." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 17193.565, "end": 17224.205, "text": "Okay, well I I don't want to specifically name other specific clients, but um uh uh peer comparative jurisdictions to uh to to Calgary have gone through similar processes and they've then they've ensured over the longer term sustainable outcomes and savings as a result. And again, I think going back to that point around not necessarily seeking cost savings from day one in terms of slashing your costs, but to to the point that was made by administration, actually minimizing and reducing future increases in costs as the population grows, in doing so, making cost savings over the future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17224.345, "end": 17228.925, "text": "But can you give not give me one example of something you found and how much money that saved the client?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 17229.245, "end": 17241.805, "text": "Uh okay, well we've worked well I don't want to name the city, but we have worked with another city um where we've um within a within a s uh a specific year we've saved over twenty five million. Whether that's sustainable over the long term, um that's that's another question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17241.805, "end": 17243.305, "text": "How did you save the $25 million?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 17243.565, "end": 17249.465, "text": "Uh it was across uh different departments, uh improved ways of working, approved cab collaboration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17249.465, "end": 17258.605, "text": "Can you give me a specific department? And I apologize for this, but could you give me a specific program? It wasn't like canceling a census. Was it give tell me exactly?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 17258.645, "end": 17274.865, "text": "Uh yeah, so similarly to uh understanding what are our what are our um our core services and uh either pausing or eliminating some of those core services, a bit like you, what you were discussing. So I think sometimes tough questions in terms of what are the services we actually need to provide and what are kind of those nice to have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17274.865, "end": 17277.525, "text": "Can you can you tell me exactly what you paused or canceled?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 17277.745, "end": 17290.045, "text": "uh in some cases it's to do with uh I don't know, parks and recreation facilities, um in other cases uh planning and development functions. We found a lot of savings and change in the way we do policy and things like that. So I think it's it's quite varied across the board. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17290.045, "end": 17292.085, "text": "Can you tell me where in planning or development?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17294.385, "end": 17296.385, "text": "Specifically, like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17302.245, "end": 17322.445, "text": "and I and I don't mean to be coy here, but uh again, I I'm just trying to daylight having been through this experience, really wanting to support this approach. I need to ensure that we're not repeating some of the mistakes that we've done in the past. And uh I'll just enter briefly into debate here. And I think what was really lost from Save was the qualitative element." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17322.685, "end": 17324.565, "text": "Where we didn't ask staff," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17324.885, "end": 17333.445, "text": "it was it was purely subtraction, it wasn't addition, where many staff are open to giving ideas, but the qualitative element in terms of efficiency wasn't provided. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17333.725, "end": 17337.585, "text": "I'll provide to council, I'll circulate just my email some of the ideas. We got verbatim," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17337.805, "end": 17341.445, "text": "at least 2,000 concepts that were provided to us that I didn't really see action." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17341.805, "end": 17344.465, "text": "An example, uh one of I'm just reading here is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17344.785, "end": 17349.705, "text": "perhaps have business units champion certain services and provide that service across business units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17349.925, "end": 17351.145, "text": "There's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17351.385, "end": 17356.645, "text": "a bunch of different ideas here, Council, that I'll give you, but I really think that this needs to be a qualitative element." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17356.785, "end": 17374.545, "text": "If it's not going to actually empower staff to deliver on behalf of Calgarians, I find the investment relatively questionable. I will support this because how can you support, how can you oppose trying to find cost savings? But I'm really cautious because what we find may actually end up costing us a lot more in the long run." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17375.105, "end": 17376.365, "text": "All right, with that, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17376.985, "end": 17379.205, "text": "Counselor McLean, was this moved by you? And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17379.885, "end": 17380.105, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17380.105, "end": 17381.185, "text": "It was like years ago." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17382.245, "end": 17386.045, "text": "I think we've exhausted all the debate and questions. I'll go back to you to closer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17387.025, "end": 17387.825, "text": "Can you tell me" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17388.065, "end": 17388.745, "text": "how much" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17391.845, "end": 17393.125, "text": "And then we don't need you anymore." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17393.885, "end": 17402.625, "text": "No, I I I I I will I'll also echo what uh the mayor said. I I am uh very optimistic that we will find efficiencies in savings. Um so but yeah, I just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17402.625, "end": 17403.545, "text": "Kirk wants to speak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17405.345, "end": 17406.825, "text": "Was it were we just in questions?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 17406.865, "end": 17407.445, "text": "Yeah, you are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17407.445, "end": 17411.505, "text": "Okay. Alright, you're moving at an opening, Councillor McClellan. Sorry, it's a bit of a gong show that today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17412.325, "end": 17414.565, "text": "Alright, it's moved. Any debate on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17415.505, "end": 17416.985, "text": "Counselor Atkinson, you wanted?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17418.705, "end": 17423.385, "text": "Or I need a seconder. Oh my gosh. Seconded by Counselor Pandasopoulos. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17423.745, "end": 17426.065, "text": "And to you, uh Counselor Atkinson uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17426.705, "end": 17429.285, "text": "to debate. And then uh Counselor Pandasopoulos after that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 17429.865, "end": 17435.125, "text": "I guess it's like how can you oppose cost savings is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 17436.645, "end": 17448.545, "text": "four million dollars in the spend just on the initial commitment to this pilot? Uh there's also the spend in the long run of what this program" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 17449.285, "end": 17480.365, "text": "Brings when I hear the examples provided and loss of the civic census, how much is that costing us in the long run? How much has that costed us in operational gains over the last couple of years? How many conversations have I had with my colleagues that, you know, we just talked about ward boundaries and the losses there in terms of changes? Like this, these kinds of things have massive operational uh effects. Um and I just," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 17481.405, "end": 17482.145, "text": "you know," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 17482.325, "end": 17485.665, "text": "I worry that we're gonna get a report back that's like um." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 17486.265, "end": 17492.005, "text": "Implement AI and like the typical things. We have an incredible" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 17492.565, "end": 17527.665, "text": "team here, an innovation team actually at the at the city. What happens if we invested four million dollars in terms of ways to innovate in terms of our plans, processes, these kinds of things? I think there are ways we could invest this money better into our own administration, our own processes that drive better efficiencies. Whether we want to call that efficiencies, cost reductions, I mean it's a lot of it's a lot of pretzel making to uh to sort of come to the end result. So I won't be supporting this because I don't think that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 17528.645, "end": 17558.305, "text": "This pilot as proposed will lead to a long-term program. And I think that we actually have, from what I've heard in terms of every discussion we've had around finances over the last little while, the different departments, our finance team, are driving and finding those efficiencies where they can on an ongoing basis when we compare ourselves to other jurisdictions and the cost and the FTEs per." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 17559.285, "end": 17572.365, "text": "Per, you know, citizen. I just uh I don't know that there is a lot to be harvested uh from this activity. And so the cost of four million dollars is a cost savings in and of itself." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17574.065, "end": 17574.465, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17575.105, "end": 17576.585, "text": "Councilor Pantasopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 17577.605, "end": 17579.505, "text": "Yeah, thanks so much. I I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 17580.025, "end": 17644.565, "text": "When you look at a program like this, I hope all of my counselors would have clicked through the links and looked at what we did in the past as a city. And we referenced it the $60 million. And I think it's its strength comes in its governance, its outcome, and how we're going to be measuring success. And I go back to that while maintaining existing high-level service delivery, the loss of a census was a disaster. But the question that would have been asked, what do we lose? And people would have said everything. And that wouldn't have been cut. Instead, the goal was 60 million. And somebody looked at it and said, we can get it in 10 years. There wasn't a question about service delivery. The governance of having the VP uh the gyms being accountable to their colleagues and peers, that creates that. You've got an ultimate ownership at top of house. It it does feel these are the things you have to look at, the subtle changes. And go back to materiality. It is less than 0.1% of the budget. That's like a dieter having one less potato chip. And that's you're gonna see that synergies. No matter what you do, you're gonna go through there. I have strength in administration that they're going to have this, having that external little gentle push, having that goal. Because if we come back to you get um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 17645.605, "end": 17715.285, "text": "You you you we want service levels cut, that's where it's gonna be dangerous. When you can come back, because it empowers our frontline staff to say, stop, if you do cut $1 here or SABE or Synergies, you will have a service level impact. And that's the bar, and I think that's where it really gets really interesting, and it'll actually by design want those interconnectivities. So I think when when we look at this, look at the strength, how we're gonna gain success, of course. True consultants, you have to be very coy on on the outcomes because we'll hold you to account if it's you know 7 million and and you said uh 7.1. But it you ultimately have to look at do we have the rules, do we have the the the program? And I think we do. I think this is something that's going there. You heard administration hopeful. Um and I think the repeatability, the fact that we're gonna take each business unit, rinse, wash, repeat, that to me is a strength. There's nothing worse than built for form, and then it just destroys. Think of all the prior ones. We cannot bring that through the organization. This is something that I think will now go into the culture and the ethos of the city of Calgary. So hopeful. Um think of materiality and a 4.5 if we get but 0.1% savings across the board, and that's in perpetuity. That's not a one time, that's in perpetuity. You've got a 10 times multiple. So for those reasons, I will be supporting this. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17716.225, "end": 17717.485, "text": "All right, Councilor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17718.785, "end": 17720.585, "text": "Thank you, worship. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17721.405, "end": 17723.905, "text": "I'll support this today, but I want to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17724.205, "end": 17748.025, "text": "I have some major reservations. I'll just be really honest here. The fact I get more time for debate than I get for questions on something is like a little bit troubling to me in the fact that like we only got this last week, and we've been in committee meeting or public hearing nonstop since uh since we received it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17748.525, "end": 17757.105, "text": "In my experience with these kinds of programs, most of the efficiencies are found in between business units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17757.365, "end": 17778.385, "text": "Uh and that's because you have someone who's responsible for a business unit and they're constantly looking for efficiencies. I uh having previously been a member of administration, I can say they are efficient. Like they are trying to drive every single minute or hour or dollar out of the budget and the resources that they have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17780.185, "end": 17791.545, "text": "What they're not responsible for, though, are those interactions between business units. And those get to be a lot more difficult to for someone to say, I'm in charge of that. And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17792.645, "end": 17808.885, "text": "I'm gonna cut this and do this differently, that that kind of a thing. What I do like about this though is that it is a direction that's not from like the manager or the director of that particular business unit. It's actually from council. Like we're looking to be able to find that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17809.885, "end": 17860.045, "text": "I am not 100% convinced in the little that I've that I've seen here that like we have the right program to really find the efficiencies that need to be found. I know that they're there in the organization, but I'm worried that by doing it in the way that we structured it business unit by business unit, that uh all we're gonna do is find the ones that we've already found before and that we did a little bit differently previously that to how we're gonna be doing it this time around. So uh I'm not management though, I'm I'm here on the governance side, and I can approve a budget, uh, but I I sort of implore administration to take a look at how do you close those gaps? Because that's where we're actually going to find the efficiencies and the cost savings. Uh, most of the stuff that we would normally look at in a zero based review." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17860.665, "end": 17940.285, "text": "Or just sort of rebuilding a business unit the way that it already exists. So I'm really keen to see what other opportunities we have. I definitely take Counselor Atkinson's point about we have an innovation team that can help us figure out new, more efficient, innovative ways of doing things. I would again implore administration through this process to engage those kinds of ways of looking at this, and it's not just about like rebuilding a business unit from the ground up, which in my experience is usually what a zero-based review kind of kind of looks like. And then the last thing I will say, just uh I as we mentioned earlier on the budget, I am a little bit concerned that by approving the million dollars today, it's actually us approving four million dollars and looking at the schedule, it rolls from there into all of the other ones, and that there's not in that schedule that's been proposed, not a good break in terms of like we finished this one, now let's do a review of how it went, what we learned, what improvements we can make, because we're already into phase one of the second one before we complete phase three of the first one. Uh so I just sort of uh I wanted to put all of those on record that I I will support this here today for the for the pilot project, but I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17941.185, "end": 17965.645, "text": "All the reasons why I just said I'm I'm I'm worried about those particular items. So uh as we get reports back, that's what I'm going to be paying attention for and looking for. Not just how many dollars did you save, but how did the program operate and and and is there a way that we can do this in a better, more efficient way? Because it is really ironic to me if we would run a program looking to find efficiencies in an inefficient manner." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17967.585, "end": 17969.165, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Johnston, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 17976.145, "end": 17977.625, "text": "I don't know how I'm gonna support this yet," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 17978.325, "end": 17978.785, "text": "but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 17979.125, "end": 17980.605, "text": "my debate would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 17980.945, "end": 17983.665, "text": "back in November we had a vote on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 17985.145, "end": 17985.845, "text": "cutting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 17986.365, "end": 17991.625, "text": "five departments two and two and a half percent for a total of nine and a half million dollars, and it failed" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 17993.085, "end": 17994.245, "text": "on council. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 17995.145, "end": 17996.585, "text": "we didn't even" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 17997.885, "end": 17999.325, "text": "trust as a council that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18000.265, "end": 18002.385, "text": "we could cut two and a half percent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18003.065, "end": 18004.845, "text": "And now we're asking them to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18005.585, "end": 18010.025, "text": "sorry as admin, now we're now asking them to look into themselves to do this. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18010.565, "end": 18019.365, "text": "ideally, I think if we could, like Councillor McLean mentioned earlier, roll this into the other um standing committee" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18020.165, "end": 18023.605, "text": "and allow council to have more of an oversight over" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18024.105, "end": 18030.485, "text": "a lot of aspects of this. And I know it's going to be more work, but I think this is a big reason why a lot of us got hired." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18030.665, "end": 18031.425, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18031.565, "end": 18032.425, "text": "and so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18034.465, "end": 18036.645, "text": "I'm never gonna really say no to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18037.825, "end": 18040.285, "text": "transparency. And this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18041.685, "end": 18049.845, "text": "it's better than nothing, but I think we can do way better than this. Um and the answer might be that, like they mentioned, there's just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18050.145, "end": 18053.285, "text": "no cost savings. That could be the answer. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18054.385, "end": 18057.685, "text": "But I think unless we don't look, we can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18058.365, "end": 18063.185, "text": "never say we tried. Like I I I say we do this, at least say we tried. Sorry. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18064.165, "end": 18064.645, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 18065.065, "end": 18067.265, "text": "Getting closer to supporting it. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18070.345, "end": 18072.385, "text": "Thank you. Is there any further debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18075.625, "end": 18078.425, "text": "Seeing none, over to uh Councilor McLean to close, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18079.425, "end": 18082.185, "text": "Uh thank you, Mayor. I think like a lot of us when we were" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18082.605, "end": 18086.665, "text": "campaigning, or you hear a lot of people, they've always been saying the city should have a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18087.145, "end": 18092.665, "text": "uh forensic audit or external audit. And so when I was bringing this up at budget deliberations with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18093.165, "end": 18095.485, "text": "CAO Duckworth and CFO" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18095.885, "end": 18096.585, "text": "Tucker," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18097.325, "end": 18103.605, "text": "I was surprised that they were just thrilled. They were embracing it wholeheartedly. They said, yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18104.505, "end": 18105.705, "text": "Big hugs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18106.565, "end": 18113.865, "text": "They wanted to see this done. This organization is massive. We have 15,000, 20,000 people. We don't even know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18114.445, "end": 18118.685, "text": "Billions of dollars that we're not some tiny little mom and pop shop." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18119.205, "end": 18126.465, "text": "So sometimes you want to bring in the experts to come in and find these efficiencies. And if you don't think there are, well, I'm pretty sure" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18126.705, "end": 18130.225, "text": "that we can find the decision, then will be will we act on them?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18130.705, "end": 18136.125, "text": "Yeah, there's going to be some suggestions that are going to be difficult to make that we might have to cut this or cut that, that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18136.765, "end": 18144.665, "text": "some sacred cows that maybe people don't want us to touch, but maybe we should look at it because we do have to find savings. We've got a lot of spending is out here right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18144.985, "end": 18150.805, "text": "A lot of things we've got to fix, some really basic needs. So maybe some of these wants that are going to be on the table," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18150.945, "end": 18155.145, "text": "they can find it. Let us look at them. Let's make that decision. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18155.845, "end": 18156.465, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18156.945, "end": 18167.905, "text": "I think just the very fact that uh the CAO and CFO and we're on the same page, I think that's gonna tell you. I think we're on the right track here. So I think again, it's four million dollars" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18168.365, "end": 18170.425, "text": "out of a massive multi billion dollar budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18170.825, "end": 18176.885, "text": "Uh no no guarantees, but I think it's something that we really need to, you know, the more information we have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18177.285, "end": 18179.925, "text": "And as far as making the decision on the fly like this," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18180.525, "end": 18188.505, "text": "well, we gotta get used to it. This is government. We just can't sit there and keep pushing things down the line, kicking the can. We've got to read a lot of information. We've got to make decisions quick." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18188.865, "end": 18190.565, "text": "This is what we're here for, so please support." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18192.705, "end": 18195.865, "text": "All right, with that, uh clerk, let's please engage the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 18217.085, "end": 18218.485, "text": "Councillor Kelly, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 18219.145, "end": 18220.565, "text": "Councilor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 18223.765, "end": 18224.485, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 18225.605, "end": 18226.985, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18227.345, "end": 18229.745, "text": "Thank you. Please display those results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18233.145, "end": 18237.565, "text": "That motion is carried 32 13 2 2 with councillors Atkinson" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18238.005, "end": 18239.285, "text": "and Schmidt opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18240.845, "end": 18245.665, "text": "All right, thank you very much. And thank you as well to our consultant for accommodating the launch break. Appreciate it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18251.625, "end": 18254.025, "text": "Let's move to 9.3.5" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18255.305, "end": 18258.385, "text": "for uh 2026 property tax bylaws." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18272.445, "end": 18279.945, "text": "Good afternoon, your worship mayor Farkas and members of council. My name is Daniel Lydgren, manager of account management with assessment and tax." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18280.365, "end": 18290.285, "text": "And I'm here today to present the 2026 property tax bylaws. We have a brief presentation if you'd like, or could go to directly to questions if you'd prefer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18293.085, "end": 18295.005, "text": "Uh let's uh see the presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18296.345, "end": 18297.585, "text": "Thank you. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18300.545, "end": 18314.605, "text": "Our recommendations today are to give three readings each to the property tax bylaw, machinery and equipment exemption bylaw, and Rivers District Community Revitalization Tax Levy Rate Bylaw for the 2026 tax year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18315.245, "end": 18339.105, "text": "These bylaws do not solicit any new direction from council, but simply reflect the decisions of council during budget adjustments last year and of the provincial government in the 2026 provincial budget released in February. These bylaws are a legislatively necessary step under the Municipal Government Act to complete the process by finalizing the tax rates and authorizing taxation for this year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18339.885, "end": 18346.345, "text": "The property tax bylaw contains the final property tax rates this year, including the rates for residential and non residential properties," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18347.265, "end": 18359.945, "text": "and for both the purposes of raising revenue for the city in accordance with the budget approved by council, and to comply with our legislative obligations to collect provincial property taxes to fund provincial education." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18360.465, "end": 18361.405, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18364.525, "end": 18374.565, "text": "In accordance with the budget approved by Council last December, the total municipal property tax revenue for the 2026 year is $2,520,000," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18375.185, "end": 18379.325, "text": "an increase of 3.2% in total revenue after bylaw adjustments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18380.105, "end": 18402.945, "text": "Accounting for the 2026 budget adjustments and changes in the assessment basis through development, redevelopment, and market factors, this year we see a small increase in both the residential and non residential property tax rates, with the residential rate increasing at a higher proportion, bringing the city's non residential to residential tax ratio down slightly this year to 4.63." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18404.385, "end": 18414.925, "text": "The ratio means that for every dollar of assessed value, a non-residential property will pay 4.63 times the amount of property tax as a residential property." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18415.665, "end": 18421.125, "text": "The Municipal Government Act assigns a maximum municipal tax rate ratio of 5 to 1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18422.985, "end": 18435.105, "text": "The tax shares, or the total amount of taxes paid by each property class, account for the differential and physical growth between residential and non residential properties and may be adjusted by council during budget deliberations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18435.845, "end": 18455.625, "text": "The change of the tax shares from last year, reflected in the tax share comparison at the bottom of this slide, reflects the larger physical growth for residential properties relative to non residential, as well as council's decision to cancel the previously approved 1% non residential to residential shift during budget deliberations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18456.905, "end": 18458.285, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18462.705, "end": 18466.405, "text": "In addition to property taxes to raise revenue for the city's budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18466.545, "end": 18472.965, "text": "The city also levies property taxes on behalf of the province for the purpose of funding public and separate school systems." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18473.745, "end": 18478.605, "text": "On February 26th, the government of Alberta released the province's 2026 budget," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18479.065, "end": 18496.405, "text": "which includes the amount the province requisitions from the city. This amount must be raised by the city through provincial property taxation and is paid by the city to the province on a quarterly basis. For 2026, the city's requisition amount increased by $211 million or a 20% increase over last year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18497.425, "end": 18508.805, "text": "This is reflected in an approximately 24% increase in provincial property tax revenue from residential and farmland properties and a 10% increase from non residential properties." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18509.525, "end": 18526.045, "text": "As with municipal property tax, impacts to existing property owners' tax bills will vary from these percent increases as the amount collected from existing properties is less due to revenue from new or redeveloped properties, and because of changes in individual properties assessments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18527.285, "end": 18528.165, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18533.005, "end": 18534.665, "text": "On the previous two slides," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18535.405, "end": 18555.745, "text": "we covered the tax rate and revenue changes for the city as a whole. However, this can be difficult to separate the impacts for existing taxpayers versus the revenues from physical growth. On this slide, we provide an overview of the impacts to existing taxpayers by class for both municipal and provincial portions and the overall combined tax impacts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18556.485, "end": 18575.305, "text": "During budget deliberations in November and December, Council reduced the property tax budget increase by $47 million. At the time, based on growth estimates and preliminary assessment base, the final budget adjustments for 2026 were forecast to result in a 1.6% tax revenue increase from existing taxpayers as a whole." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18576.485, "end": 18599.685, "text": "With the assessment role finalized as of December 31st and accounting for finalized revenues from growth, which were higher than previous estimates, the actual municipal tax revenue increase from existing taxpayers will instead be 1.2%, slightly lower than previously forecast. As noted, due to the cancellation of the tax share shift, this increase is consistent across all property classes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18601.585, "end": 18616.005, "text": "The amount of property tax the city is required to levy for the government of Alberta increased a total of 20 percent from last year, working out to a 17.2 percent increase in taxes from existing taxpayers after accounting for revenues from growth." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18616.525, "end": 18631.305, "text": "Combined, the total amount of property tax revenue the city will collect is 8.5% more than last year, inclusive of the increase to the city's tax-supported budget, the increase to the provincial requisition, and the added revenues from physical growth." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18631.905, "end": 18646.185, "text": "As a result, for Calgary's residential property taxpayers, for every dollar of property tax they pay this year, approximately 41.5% will go to the province and 58.5% will stay with the city to fund city services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18647.645, "end": 18648.485, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18650.285, "end": 18655.405, "text": "To conclude, our recommendations are to give three readings each to the proposed property tax bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18655.765, "end": 18662.885, "text": "ME Exemption Bylaw and Rivers District Community Revitalization Levy Rate By Law for 2026," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18663.385, "end": 18678.265, "text": "which will enable the city to meet its financial obligations consistent with council's direction for the 2026 budget and the provincial property tax decisions of the government of Alberta. Thank you, and we are happy to answer any questions you may have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18679.405, "end": 18682.245, "text": "Thank you. Uh on questions now, Councilor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18686.465, "end": 18690.325, "text": "Sorry, I'm not sure if I heard you correctly the blended total" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18691.005, "end": 18691.885, "text": "residential" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18692.645, "end": 18693.645, "text": "tax increase." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18693.965, "end": 18698.225, "text": "Including multifamily, single family, blah, blah, blah. Is what eight and a half?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18699.965, "end": 18701.525, "text": "Combine city and province." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18703.505, "end": 18703.965, "text": "Provincial" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18704.365, "end": 18705.025, "text": "increase." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18705.885, "end": 18709.465, "text": "Oh yes. Province and and city, municipal, provincial," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18710.225, "end": 18713.065, "text": "all classes. Multifamily, single family." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18713.785, "end": 18720.705, "text": "So the uh increase for residential and farmland would be 8.1% city and province." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18722.425, "end": 18723.405, "text": "Okay, and the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18723.765, "end": 18725.685, "text": "non-res 2.4 or something." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18725.705, "end": 18726.405, "text": "2.5." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18727.065, "end": 18727.365, "text": "Five." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18727.585, "end": 18727.945, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18728.505, "end": 18730.865, "text": "Uh question for you. Um attachment seven." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18731.505, "end": 18733.605, "text": "There's a real nice chart there that shows" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18734.225, "end": 18735.545, "text": "typical single family," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18736.205, "end": 18740.045, "text": "typical single residential condo, typical multi-residential property." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18740.465, "end": 18741.125, "text": "Etc. etc." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18741.725, "end": 18743.465, "text": "Nice little chart showing a whole bunch of different" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18743.785, "end": 18747.705, "text": "class property classes. Don't see anything for non-residential." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18748.785, "end": 18749.365, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18749.905, "end": 18753.785, "text": "the typical non-residential is the last uh property" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18754.325, "end": 18756.805, "text": "there. And uh these were the same four examples." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18756.805, "end": 18759.445, "text": "No, you don't seem to follow what I'm gonna go on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18759.825, "end": 18762.925, "text": "You've got different typologies in residential." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18763.285, "end": 18771.425, "text": "You don't show office towers, warehousing, that kind of stuff. You don't show those as separate classes or chart. Or or did I miss it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18771.805, "end": 18778.565, "text": "No, you you didn't miss it. Uh we provided these four examples during budget. We provide these four examples today. We have a typical non res, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18778.985, "end": 18779.885, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18780.185, "end": 18785.305, "text": "I I do know the relative changes for office and retail and industrial if you're interested." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18785.925, "end": 18789.905, "text": "I would be, yeah. I d you don't necessarily have to show it to me here," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18790.425, "end": 18792.125, "text": "but it is something I would like to have because." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18792.625, "end": 18792.985, "text": "I mean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18794.345, "end": 18796.305, "text": "it's not I don't think it's fair that we you'd tip" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18796.545, "end": 18796.965, "text": "we would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18797.285, "end": 18798.005, "text": "tip one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18798.845, "end": 18799.105, "text": "type" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18799.345, "end": 18804.365, "text": "type of housing against another and say say, oh look at how much of an increase for you guys" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18804.825, "end": 18806.765, "text": "because it varies from one year to the next." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18807.065, "end": 18807.865, "text": "Some years" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18808.185, "end": 18813.765, "text": "the multifamily is higher than uh than the single family, other years the single family is higher than the multifamily, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18814.265, "end": 18817.025, "text": "and the same thing applies with the non residential sector, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18817.505, "end": 18818.345, "text": "it's nice to see" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18818.845, "end": 18819.785, "text": "where things are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18820.185, "end": 18820.945, "text": "year over year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18821.545, "end": 18825.505, "text": "From one class to the other, not just on the residential side, but on the non-residential side as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18826.805, "end": 18828.305, "text": "Anyways, like I said, not for today," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18828.945, "end": 18830.185, "text": "but maybe for the future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18830.745, "end": 18832.565, "text": "We can definitely provide that if you'd like. Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18832.785, "end": 18834.345, "text": "Appreciate that. No further questions for me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18835.065, "end": 18838.405, "text": "Um, but I would like to reserve a right to debate at some point." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18839.445, "end": 18842.645, "text": "Yeah, hasn't been uh moved yet. Uh Councilor Pentazo, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 18842.965, "end": 18847.585, "text": "Thanks so much. Fairly straightforward. Just do you want to expand on the exempting machinery and equipment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 18847.825, "end": 18866.645, "text": "You know, generally in prior life, that was the whole value. If you had a compressor on a site, you'd you'd bad there. That could be fairly material. So maybe just talk to that. And then do we do a check back every year, every few years to make sure our competitors, the industrial lands outside of Calgary, still exempt this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18867.985, "end": 18912.365, "text": "So exempting machinery and equipment is a long-standing practice of the city of Calgary, certainly as long as uh I've been with the city in the last 20 years, uh, probably longer, and that is a requirement if there is business tax, which we used to have. You can't also have a machinery and equipment property tax at the same time. So when we had business tax up until 2019, we could not also tax machinery and equipment. Exempting machinery and equipment is very common across cities in Alberta. For example, Edmonton doesn't do it, most of the other large cities don't, whereas the rural municipalities like Rocky View County do tax uh machinery and equipment, Wood Buffalo does. It's more common in rural municipalities than certainly large urban municipalities. And I would say that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18912.825, "end": 18925.145, "text": "Most machinery and equipment is located on industrial properties, so it would put an additional property tax burden on the industrial property sector to depart from this long-standing practice." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 18926.365, "end": 18938.705, "text": "Yeah, that's interesting. You know, our competition, when we just your your colleagues presented the industrial competitive strategy, and you know, Ebminton wasn't there. It was Rocky View, it was Airdrie, Okotoks, et cetera. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 18941.305, "end": 18944.645, "text": "if the goal is to be competitive, but our competitors do it," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 18945.345, "end": 18956.505, "text": "and in 2019, so we haven't done a further study, it's more just sort of precedent and inertia that we haven't gone a detailed review. Is that something how how materially would it change if, you know?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 18957.045, "end": 18965.645, "text": "You you may be lower I've just I don't even know the scenario, maybe I'll ask that. How material, what work has been done to examine that, whether it's still practical, what the implications could be," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18967.025, "end": 18980.165, "text": "We haven't undertaken any sort of exhaustive study in any sort of recent time frame. It's again, like I said, a long-standing practice to exempt it, and it's very much in line with other urban municipalities across Alberta." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 18980.425, "end": 18983.845, "text": "but not the ones that we're directly in competition with. The ones that are at our border." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18984.545, "end": 18990.365, "text": "That's correct. Rocky View County does tax uh ME, uh, and even still with in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 18990.725, "end": 18995.565, "text": "non residential property tax in ME, I believe we're still quite a bit higher." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 18995.945, "end": 18998.645, "text": "Yeah. Perfect. Okay. Maybe something to take away. Thank you so much for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19001.445, "end": 19003.705, "text": "Thank you. Are there any other questions" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19004.105, "end": 19005.645, "text": "before we ask for this to be moved?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19007.865, "end": 19009.545, "text": "I'll uh jump in briefly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19009.965, "end": 19014.585, "text": "Uh perhaps on slide five. I just want to ensure that I'm reading this right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19015.685, "end": 19016.165, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19017.805, "end": 19019.465, "text": "When I look at the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19020.365, "end": 19025.265, "text": "the overall rate, is it fair to say that we had anticipated that 1.6 or 1.8%" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19025.685, "end": 19030.385, "text": "increase amount, but we've done better and at the city level we're delivering a 1.2%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19031.825, "end": 19034.085, "text": "I wouldn't say we've done better. In fact, the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19035.165, "end": 19037.185, "text": "property tax revenue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19038.125, "end": 19048.745, "text": "Approved during budget was 2 billion 520, and this is 2 billion 520. It's just that there's more physical growth than we had anticipated. So, because of that," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19049.345, "end": 19053.065, "text": "the need to increase on existing taxpayers is lessened" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19054.505, "end": 19056.065, "text": "to result in the same revenue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19056.465, "end": 19058.325, "text": "But for the city portion," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19059.005, "end": 19065.685, "text": "when it comes to the property tax increase in agri is at 1.2%, is the number that because that's lower than" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19066.405, "end": 19066.825, "text": "what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19067.325, "end": 19069.965, "text": "we anticipated, because the physical growth is greater." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19070.505, "end": 19079.345, "text": "It's 1.2% for residential as a whole. For the typical residential house, it's 1.8 because houses" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19079.945, "end": 19083.265, "text": "went up a little more in assessed value than average." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19083.765, "end": 19088.705, "text": "And it's because we're kind of caught up in the language here because the the single family detash kind of benchmark" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19090.105, "end": 19094.425, "text": "single family home is the number that people have in their minds, and that's that 1.8%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19094.705, "end": 19097.245, "text": "That's correct. Yeah, 1.8 for a the typical house." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19097.865, "end": 19101.865, "text": "And then as I'm reading this, is it fair to say if not for the province," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19102.185, "end": 19106.885, "text": "if you own a residential condo, you would have got a tax cut this year?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19109.125, "end": 19115.045, "text": "That's that's right. If it was just on the city side, the condos would would experience a tax decrease," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19115.665, "end": 19116.565, "text": "generally speaking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19116.825, "end": 19117.085, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19119.705, "end": 19125.565, "text": "And then uh question on the the cash flows. So you in your presentation, you you talked about us collecting that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19125.945, "end": 19127.385, "text": "provincial requisition," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19128.145, "end": 19132.345, "text": "or rather, us issuing the amount on a quarterly basis. Do you have a sense is it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19132.905, "end": 19134.325, "text": "Um, the equally" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19134.645, "end": 19137.165, "text": "separated out? Is it what we collected through TIP?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19137.605, "end": 19138.065, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19138.585, "end": 19142.625, "text": "is are we fronting the the province any money or is it vice versa?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19145.785, "end": 19146.925, "text": "I am not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19147.405, "end": 19166.505, "text": "a hundred percent sure on the exact mechanics. I know they request it on a quarterly basis after they've given us the amount. Uh I'm not sure exactly when that bill comes in or the mechanics, but I would assume it's one quarter uh each until February of 2027, I believe. But uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19167.245, "end": 19168.645, "text": "I could follow up with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19168.905, "end": 19170.425, "text": "our colleagues in finance to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19171.585, "end": 19173.425, "text": "discover the exact mechanics if you'd like." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19174.305, "end": 19179.645, "text": "Do you have a sense of how many people are on TIP versus uh payments uh just that one time payment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19180.045, "end": 19187.345, "text": "Yeah, very happy to say that most property taxpayers in Calgary are on TIP. 61% of property tax accounts, about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19187.905, "end": 19188.425, "text": "340" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19188.585, "end": 19190.085, "text": "some thousand accounts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19190.965, "end": 19197.425, "text": "So that that's uh in terms of roles, do you have a sense in aggregate the the the value amount of each of those roles?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19197.945, "end": 19201.145, "text": "How much of the money is at large are the large institutional" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19201.545, "end": 19203.845, "text": "Players, for example, waiting to the end of the year to pay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19204.345, "end": 19208.805, "text": "On a cash flow basis, I'm trying to get a sense of what the percentage may be, even if most people aren't." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19209.325, "end": 19212.485, "text": "Well, TIP generates right now about 200 million per month." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19212.905, "end": 19217.565, "text": "The large institutional properties, I would say it's a mix. Some are on TIP," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19218.205, "end": 19219.565, "text": "some are not for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19220.105, "end": 19221.365, "text": "their own business reasons." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19222.125, "end": 19227.165, "text": "Yeah, I'm just trying to get a sense of if the provincial requisition is roughly that 1.2" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19227.725, "end": 19232.505, "text": "billion is at equal amounts. I'm wondering if we're fronting the province money on a quarterly basis or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19233.005, "end": 19233.465, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19233.665, "end": 19237.905, "text": "it's the it's not too important, but I I think it just relates to the relationship that uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19238.605, "end": 19239.305, "text": "that we have there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19240.085, "end": 19243.385, "text": "Uh that is it uh for my" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19243.625, "end": 19244.425, "text": "and then I'm gonna." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19244.645, "end": 19250.025, "text": "I I was asked by the media today, so I might as well uh ask you because I know the answer, but I think it might be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19250.165, "end": 19250.925, "text": "of benefit" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19251.305, "end": 19254.105, "text": "uh for the uh for the the public to hear that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19254.405, "end": 19257.845, "text": "What if uh council did not want to pay the provincial requisition?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19258.445, "end": 19259.025, "text": "What would happen?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19259.805, "end": 19262.425, "text": "And again, for those folks watching, I'm not suggesting this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19262.745, "end": 19267.225, "text": "However, the question was level levied to me by members of the public and the media. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19268.385, "end": 19273.405, "text": "Well, we are obligated under the Municipal Government Act to remit that amount to the province." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19274.505, "end": 19278.125, "text": "and I apologize to to legal," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19279.265, "end": 19280.045, "text": "but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19280.545, "end": 19285.005, "text": "Uh, if we're not giving this question in advance, the the premier and various ministers had indicated" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19285.405, "end": 19289.285, "text": "that they're very happy with us sending separated bills, separated notices." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19289.585, "end": 19294.205, "text": "Uh is it to your understanding, is there any been any recent regulation changes which" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19294.505, "end": 19302.045, "text": "now allow for us to do this, or are we still under the same uh restriction as far as the same the envelope, the the same invoice?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19302.565, "end": 19304.445, "text": "I'm sorry to put you on the spot. I I apologize." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 19304.445, "end": 19316.545, "text": "No, that's fine. Um I actually believe uh our city assessor who I don't oh no there he is, Mr. Lee. I think he has been working on this and can speak about it. And I apologize if I'm putting him on the spot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 19317.285, "end": 19319.005, "text": "But I think he's been working with the legal team." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 19323.425, "end": 19351.705, "text": "yes uh thank you for the question. So there haven't been any recent legislation or regulation changes that would allow us. Uh the analysis that our legal team uh did look into did not allow us to have separate notices, one for the uh provincial portion of property tax and one uh separate one for the uh municipal uh portion of the property tax. So if the province is saying something uh differently, we can uh definitely collaborate, have that conversation, how they're uh looking at it, um, and we we can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 19352.045, "end": 19353.165, "text": "Look at that from there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19353.925, "end": 19357.185, "text": "Can I have a little bit more debate, but last question for me is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19357.665, "end": 19362.325, "text": "When we think about some of the market movement, uh, for example, on the resource royalties," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19362.665, "end": 19370.665, "text": "I believe that some economists have identified it's about $200 million net per week that the province takes in above and uh beyond what they had budgeted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19371.125, "end": 19376.265, "text": "When it comes to our investment income and portfolio, do we have any net upside based on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19376.625, "end": 19378.405, "text": "oil and gas exposure, or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19378.825, "end": 19384.005, "text": "are we relatively diversified so that the overall market action down is a net downside right now?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19386.105, "end": 19389.145, "text": "Or in other words, it's probably good news for the province as a bad news for us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 19390.785, "end": 19427.785, "text": "So I would characterize it uh first part for sure, good news for the province. And uh the longer this stays in that um environment for them, uh strictly speaking, in terms of royalties, it's it has a positive benefit. In terms of the fact that they also, uh they being the province, consume oil and gas products, uh, their costs have also gone up. And so um it's not just a pure benefit to them, they would also have higher cost points and higher cost drivers as well throughout their budget. From our perspective, from an investment um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 19427.985, "end": 19439.025, "text": "view, looking at it, uh we are still tracking um positive to our variants, positive to our budget that we had for this year, and to the end of the year's our forecast, and that is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 19439.245, "end": 19474.445, "text": "For that very reason you mentioned of a diversified portfolio. So we blend things from a duration, meaning how long, short-term, mid, long-term, helping us with our cash flows, but as well looking for opportunities as things change. And then also across different types. So we're in we have equities, we have private holdings, and we're across to some questions we've had earlier, we invest opportunistically around the globe. So where we think there's going to be value for us and that we have our risk profiles taken into consideration, we'll invest there. And that allows us to have that diversified approach." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19476.205, "end": 19478.865, "text": "All right, uh Councillor Chabot, did you want to move the item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19480.225, "end": 19481.225, "text": "And we'll go to you for debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19484.525, "end": 19485.385, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19486.305, "end": 19490.205, "text": "I think it's the first time in 20 years that I'm actually making this motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19490.805, "end": 19491.265, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19492.405, "end": 19493.365, "text": "and it's um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19493.945, "end": 19495.345, "text": "I guess it's mostly because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19495.925, "end": 19496.405, "text": "of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19496.845, "end": 19497.345, "text": "how" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19497.625, "end": 19499.205, "text": "much we got our tax rate down." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19499.625, "end": 19503.905, "text": "Um to me the being able to get it down to 1.6%," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19504.785, "end": 19508.505, "text": "albeit arguably maybe we could utilize those funds in other other" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19509.045, "end": 19510.165, "text": "for other purposes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19510.465, "end": 19514.865, "text": "And then the growth resulting in a 1.2% increase municipally" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19515.185, "end": 19520.085, "text": "residential from a blended perspective, I think it's the lowest tax increase that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19520.665, "end": 19523.245, "text": "any council I've been on has ever passed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19523.665, "end": 19525.725, "text": "And so I would say to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19525.985, "end": 19534.425, "text": "There's some some members of council that actually voted on against the budget in November. And to me, um, those are really the only people that sh that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19535.865, "end": 19536.785, "text": "realistically" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19537.265, "end": 19538.085, "text": "uh have," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19538.265, "end": 19562.505, "text": "in my opinion, a right to vote against this now. This is this is an exercise, just a routine exercise, and it's a flow through exercise from a provincial requisition that flows through us. So the blended amount, of course, ends up being significantly higher than what we've approved, but it's outside of our control. The only thing that's within our control is a municipal portion of the property tax." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19562.905, "end": 19564.505, "text": "Everything else is flow through," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19564.765, "end": 19565.205, "text": "but it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19565.505, "end": 19568.825, "text": "it does appear as though it's a municipal tax increase, but it isn't." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19569.425, "end": 19573.165, "text": "Our tax increase, as we heard, including growth, is 1.2%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19573.745, "end": 19575.885, "text": "So that's what I'm voting on today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19576.245, "end": 19581.325, "text": "And I'm also now voting to send out the requisition, including the provincial portion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19581.825, "end": 19584.465, "text": "Whilst the blended rate ends up being 8%," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19585.085, "end": 19586.925, "text": "our municipal portion hasn't changed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19587.425, "end": 19596.425, "text": "It's still 1.2%. And that's what you have to remember, Council. This we're not voting on the provincial. We have no say in it. It's completely out of our control." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19596.905, "end": 19603.225, "text": "So I'm going to vote in favor of this, and I would encourage all of you to vote in favor of it. But I would understand" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19603.405, "end": 19610.765, "text": "those members of council who voted against this budget ask in November if they chose to remain the same course." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19611.185, "end": 19617.505, "text": "I think it's a legitimate reason to not vote in favor, but outside of that, I see no rational." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19617.705, "end": 19623.005, "text": "Reason why anyone else would vote against it other than just to make a statement. But at the end of the day," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19623.625, "end": 19625.585, "text": "if we don't increase the taxes," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19626.185, "end": 19627.845, "text": "we're gonna have to get the money from somewhere." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19630.565, "end": 19631.785, "text": "So please vote in favor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19632.405, "end": 19635.485, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Kelly, please. And uh that's been second by you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 19636.665, "end": 19638.725, "text": "Yeah, happy to second and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 19640.425, "end": 19696.825, "text": "I asked the question earlier on, right? But what happens if we don't approve this report? Same thing here. You know, what happens if we don't approve this? This is a procedural thing, uh, folks. We've already passed a budget. We've committed to this. We're we're we're done. Um I applaud council for getting the tax rate down as low as we could. Uh province unfortunately didn't match us, but um we have to approve this in order to be able to send out tax bills and and and the whole bit. And uh I do look forward to whatever opportunities we can to be able to send a message to the province about um wanting to identify how it is that we might be able to work together, how they might be able to help us. We got a municipal fiscal gap report coming to us a little bit later on here. Uh that's a way that we can do that. But here today, this is purely procedural. Um I might encourage us, though, next time around, to look at the idea of what would it look like if we set our property tax rate before we set our budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 19697.945, "end": 19698.745, "text": "Something for next time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19702.005, "end": 19704.485, "text": "All right. Uh any further debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19707.205, "end": 19712.385, "text": "I'm I'm gonna jump in with just two follow up questions, uh maybe back on I believe it was slide" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19713.065, "end": 19715.905, "text": "five. So when we think about the 1.2 from the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19716.205, "end": 19719.565, "text": "on the residential from the city side, the overall blended about eight," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19720.105, "end": 19723.065, "text": "could you solve the statement for me" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19724.145, "end": 19728.085, "text": "the of the overall increase the Calgaryans are experiencing?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19728.925, "end": 19733.665, "text": "X percent is from the city. Like is it fair to say one eighth, one quarter" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19734.085, "end": 19738.045, "text": "of the overall increase that say that the residential homeowner will experience?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19738.385, "end": 19740.705, "text": "How much of that is attributable to the city?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19746.585, "end": 19747.785, "text": "I haven't done that math" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19748.425, "end": 19750.785, "text": "prior to today, but I would I would suggest it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19752.925, "end": 19755.625, "text": "I don't know, I I probably shouldn't just guess. I could" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19755.625, "end": 19755.985, "text": "That's fair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19755.985, "end": 19758.785, "text": "I could take some I could take some time and do the math if you'd like." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19759.005, "end": 19761.905, "text": "But it is it fair to say less than a quarter, like a fraction?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19762.125, "end": 19762.385, "text": "Yeah," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19762.645, "end": 19763.525, "text": "Yeah, it would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19763.985, "end": 19766.285, "text": "uh the minority of the increase for sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19766.665, "end": 19767.045, "text": "for sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19767.345, "end": 19770.625, "text": "And then uh maybe for CFO Tucker to put you on the spot, you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19770.845, "end": 19773.985, "text": "we were talking about kind of the upside from the investment uh income." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19774.465, "end": 19777.485, "text": "Are we anticipating significant upward pressure on?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19777.825, "end": 19782.905, "text": "Fuel costs, surcharges, other things. You had mentioned how the province is probably going through the same" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19783.465, "end": 19785.125, "text": "pressure. Are we generally" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19785.765, "end": 19791.345, "text": "uh quite reliant on that for fleet, vehicles, civic spaces? Is it something that you're worried about right now?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19791.625, "end": 19793.785, "text": "Something monitoring? Does it keep you up at night?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 19796.065, "end": 19848.525, "text": "So uh thank you. Um so in not quite the order that those were asked. Um so from a fuel perspective, the city of Calgary has uh high utilization of uh fuel, petroleum products, etc. Um we look at uh not necessarily um the prices that we see when we drive around the city of Calgary and the volatility. Um we utilize forward contracts and buy into pricing that take us into the future and helps take out that volatility. And that's based on our understanding of certain demands for volumes that we're going to need over that time. Um we do have pressure in that space as some of the contracts will need to be renewed, and that's really where the analytics takes place about where will those forward contracts, what do they look like, how long do we go, and what is that pricing point? So I would say that analyti" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 19848.805, "end": 19869.325, "text": "Piece of analytics is currently underway as we keep evaluating and what does the forward contract look like? So it's very different in some settings versus what we're experiencing uh today. So um it doesn't keep me up at night because I really trust the group that's uh doing the analytics, uh, but it's definitely something that we keep an eye on because uh that does have an impact for us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19869.845, "end": 19870.865, "text": "Okay. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19871.845, "end": 19873.985, "text": "Mayor Farkas, I do have those numbers if you'd like." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19874.065, "end": 19882.285, "text": "Oh my gosh, thank you. I I you know, and I it was uh I felt it was more of a rhetorical question. It wasn't fair to put you on the spot that way, but thank you so much uh for having the answer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19884.085, "end": 19895.565, "text": "So the of the increase, 87% is the provincial increase, and 13% would be the city increase. So $338 uh dollars for the province and 49 for the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19896.685, "end": 19897.745, "text": "On the typical house." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19898.325, "end": 19899.925, "text": "So on the on the typical house." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19900.585, "end": 19904.945, "text": "87% of the tax increase is going straight to the provincial government." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19905.445, "end": 19905.805, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19907.625, "end": 19907.965, "text": "And that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 19907.965, "end": 19908.865, "text": "That is my debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19909.645, "end": 19911.585, "text": "counsel, I would ask you uh just so that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19911.785, "end": 19914.225, "text": "part as chair, one of my responsibilities is to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19914.645, "end": 19918.045, "text": "inform you about uh what we're actually voting on. Please" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19918.545, "end": 19922.085, "text": "don't vote against this. It would not be legally put for us to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19922.565, "end": 19927.285, "text": "uh not collect the property tax requisition. Uh we have a legal obligation" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19927.905, "end": 19933.985, "text": "to forward uh the property taxes, even if we may disagree with the provincial spending decisions and their priorities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19934.285, "end": 19937.805, "text": "We have a legal legal obligation to flow that through, and if we were not," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19938.245, "end": 19942.025, "text": "uh likely the province would come in and order corrective action. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19942.225, "end": 19949.065, "text": "I do not advise uh voting against this as even as a uh protest vote because we have a legal obligation to uh remit that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19949.665, "end": 19951.905, "text": "Uh over to Councillor Dallywell for debate, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 19953.305, "end": 19961.545, "text": "No, it is what it is. We have done this in the past. I was just wondering, since it's a city bylaw, is it possibility to bring an amendment after first reading to change provincial part?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 19963.845, "end": 19964.765, "text": "I guess not, eh?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 19965.725, "end": 19971.605, "text": "But I agree. We we get a vote uh and this is just a procedural thing, so I encourage everybody to vote it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 19971.765, "end": 19973.145, "text": "uh on it. Yes, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 19977.925, "end": 19980.225, "text": "All right, back to Councillor Shabot to close, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19980.545, "end": 19981.645, "text": "Yeah, thanks. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19982.345, "end": 19983.245, "text": "you know what? Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19983.925, "end": 19984.385, "text": "we can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19985.745, "end": 19999.125, "text": "I guess we can jump up and down and scream blue murder uh about the implications on Calgary taxpayers, but at the end of the day, we've already heard from the province. Um the rationale is they're investing significantly in education." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19999.645, "end": 20014.225, "text": "Ultimately, only one third of the amount that they collect in property tax goes towards paying for the education. Two-thirds of it is paid for out of general coffers. So this only actually pays for one-third of the cost of delivering uh the education service. So I guess" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20014.985, "end": 20037.325, "text": "to their to their credit, I guess they're only taking one third of the cost out of the municipalities. The issue, of course, is is it equally distributed? And this is the issue that we as a city that has experienced significant growth are faced with. And our growth has resulted in increased assessment, which is why we have a disproportionately large amount that we pay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20037.825, "end": 20048.825, "text": "But not as bad as Chestermere, if I might say. Uh Chestermere again has had a huge increase in their assessment and as a result, uh they're paying uh a significantly uh higher increase than we are." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20049.325, "end": 20079.325, "text": "Ultimately, we can we can lobby our provincial government to change the the method of which they collect, maybe create better equality uh amongst all ratepayers, maybe uh something more more aligned with on a per capita basis as opposed to based on on assessed value. But at the end of the day, the rules that exist are what we have to deal with today. So this is not something we're gonna change overnight. We have to continue to work with the province to see if we can find a solution that's more equitable. But for now," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20079.685, "end": 20084.125, "text": "uh at least we can be thankful that they're investing significantly in the education system in Calgary. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20084.445, "end": 20084.885, "text": "for that," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20085.465, "end": 20085.905, "text": "say" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20086.325, "end": 20087.405, "text": "please vote in favor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20088.205, "end": 20088.685, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20089.465, "end": 20091.585, "text": "Thank you, uh Clerk. Let's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20092.465, "end": 20094.445, "text": "please engage the vote on the recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20113.845, "end": 20115.285, "text": "Councilor Chabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20115.905, "end": 20117.945, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20119.045, "end": 20120.825, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20121.225, "end": 20122.705, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20134.005, "end": 20136.785, "text": "And that motion is carried unanimously, 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20137.565, "end": 20141.485, "text": "We'll now move to the readings of the three different bylaws." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20142.925, "end": 20146.525, "text": "First reading of bylaw 9M 2026, anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20147.245, "end": 20148.625, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20149.345, "end": 20153.505, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 9M 2026, anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20154.145, "end": 20155.425, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20155.925, "end": 20160.505, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 9M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20160.985, "end": 20162.905, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20163.585, "end": 20167.085, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 9M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20167.625, "end": 20169.145, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20170.125, "end": 20174.485, "text": "Before I go to the second and third, uh, Councilor Dallywell, do you have a request to speak?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20175.685, "end": 20176.725, "text": "Mayor, sorry, that's post." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20176.865, "end": 20177.545, "text": "After that? Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20178.205, "end": 20182.385, "text": "All right. First reading of bylaw 10M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20182.765, "end": 20184.345, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20184.545, "end": 20188.565, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 10M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20188.985, "end": 20190.685, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20191.085, "end": 20195.685, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 10 M. 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20196.145, "end": 20197.885, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20198.605, "end": 20202.265, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 10M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20202.785, "end": 20204.365, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20205.525, "end": 20211.885, "text": "Last bylaw now. First reading of bylaw 11M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20212.385, "end": 20216.485, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 11M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20216.645, "end": 20218.125, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20218.665, "end": 20223.425, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 11M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20223.945, "end": 20225.865, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20226.525, "end": 20230.345, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 11M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20230.605, "end": 20232.045, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20232.445, "end": 20233.885, "text": "All right, back to you, Councillor Delywell." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20235.025, "end": 20260.045, "text": "Chair, I just uh wanted to uh understand from clerks uh we got 9.4 left plus three items that are in camera. I was hoping we could just jump to 9.4 if procedurally possible and then lump the three in camera so we are done uh all together at once. I understand there's a pretty economic gateway team here, so if it's okay with them, it's it's it's probably we can do it fast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20264.205, "end": 20267.185, "text": "I'm sorry, Councillor. You're you're looking to jump to where?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20267.485, "end": 20268.265, "text": "9.4" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20268.725, "end": 20269.645, "text": "committee reports," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20269.885, "end": 20272.205, "text": "So so skip 9.3.6." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20272.285, "end": 20275.765, "text": "yeah, and then lump it with two in camera that we couldn't do anyways." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20276.385, "end": 20277.905, "text": "9.3.6." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20278.185, "end": 20280.605, "text": "Okay, you you're wanting to move that one into closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20280.665, "end": 20280.865, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20281.025, "end": 20281.425, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20281.565, "end": 20283.425, "text": "Together with other two closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20284.605, "end": 20284.885, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20285.465, "end": 20287.485, "text": "Three. There's three items in closed, but yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20287.485, "end": 20289.745, "text": "12.2.1, 12.2.2," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20290.345, "end": 20290.845, "text": "and 9." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20290.845, "end": 20291.545, "text": "13." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20292.245, "end": 20293.705, "text": "12.3.1. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20295.205, "end": 20299.005, "text": "And 12.3.1 that will be numb by councillor Yule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20299.205, "end": 20299.325, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20299.325, "end": 20299.665, "text": "So we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20299.665, "end": 20300.105, "text": "So the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20300.105, "end": 20300.845, "text": "just do it together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20300.925, "end": 20306.205, "text": "So the motion to do that would be to postpone item 9.3.6 to be heard" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20306.645, "end": 20307.365, "text": "in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20307.565, "end": 20309.585, "text": "closed meeting session." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20309.825, "end": 20314.705, "text": "And then we can just jump to 9.4. There's a few items that I think it's are gonna be quick." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20316.385, "end": 20320.245, "text": "Yeah, good thought. All right, uh, that's been moved by Councilor Dallywell. Is there a second or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20320.905, "end": 20322.145, "text": "second by Councilor Atkinson?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20323.145, "end": 20325.505, "text": "We'll give uh just a moment to get that sorted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20325.845, "end": 20326.705, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20327.165, "end": 20328.045, "text": "Mr. Douglas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20329.225, "end": 20344.725, "text": "Just want to make sure I'm assuming council is aware, but 9.3.6 is a public item with a closed attachment. So we're happy to brief on the closed attachment and information in the closed session. Just want to make sure council is clear on that while making this decision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20344.945, "end": 20351.825, "text": "Yeah, we can do the public portion and then if needed, it could be done in uh in close. There's one attachment that is closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20351.925, "end": 20352.645, "text": "Understood. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20352.845, "end": 20353.525, "text": "Yeah, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20354.365, "end": 20357.705, "text": "So we'll just need to modify that based on the discussion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20357.925, "end": 20365.265, "text": "So that council postpone item 9.3.6 to be dealt with following item 9.4.10." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 20367.185, "end": 20369.105, "text": "Sorry, that's what yeah, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20369.365, "end": 20373.965, "text": "And uh on the screen, actually, the that notice of motion was was drawn and filed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20374.085, "end": 20381.405, "text": "So we're going to eliminate dealing with it in closed. We will just move it to be the last item after section 9.4 concludes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20382.605, "end": 20385.985, "text": "And then if desirable, we can have a separate motion to move into closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20387.625, "end": 20388.245, "text": "It's ready now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20390.785, "end": 20393.665, "text": "All right, council, uh self explanatory." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20393.985, "end": 20395.165, "text": "Let's engage the e vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20418.045, "end": 20419.445, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20419.545, "end": 20420.965, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20424.745, "end": 20428.565, "text": "And that motion is carried 12 to 3 with counselors Ewell, Jameson, and Tyres opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20430.825, "end": 20436.625, "text": "So Madam Clerk, I believe this brings us to 9.4 committee reports. And then we're on 9.4.1 right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20437.685, "end": 20439.065, "text": "All right, uh, let's hear that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20440.705, "end": 20444.965, "text": "We're on 9.4.1 proposed foothills county annexation update." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 20450.425, "end": 20468.425, "text": "Good afternoon, Mayor and members of council. My name is Shanine Muscaby and I'm a planner with the regional team and your city lead for the proposed City of Calgary annexation with Foills County. I have a six-minute presentation if you'd like to receive it or I'm prepared to walk through the recommendations and go direct to questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20469.045, "end": 20475.465, "text": "I think we're due for council break in uh three minutes. So colleagues, is is there a requirement for the presentation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20475.605, "end": 20475.985, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20476.305, "end": 20480.965, "text": "Nope. I think we can uh jump straight into it. Councillor uh McLean, do you want to move the recommendations?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20482.385, "end": 20483.365, "text": "How much time do I have?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20483.785, "end": 20484.385, "text": "Moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20485.645, "end": 20487.145, "text": "Seconded by uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20487.425, "end": 20488.465, "text": "councillor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20489.425, "end": 20491.485, "text": "All right, uh any further debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20497.605, "end": 20497.885, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20498.025, "end": 20501.125, "text": "Seeing none, uh, I believe that we're ready to call the question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20502.805, "end": 20504.885, "text": "Well, I think that was an amazing presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20504.885, "end": 20505.445, "text": "Madam Clerk?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20505.445, "end": 20505.605, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20506.465, "end": 20512.445, "text": "Yes, just again, similar to our previous notice of motion, the recommendations have been split into multiple parts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20512.585, "end": 20517.665, "text": "Your first recommendation will be to give three readings to the bylaw should the bylaw be in force." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20517.825, "end": 20525.145, "text": "Then council will move to the selection process for members of council who will be appointed to the annexation committee. So that will be cast second." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20525.545, "end": 20525.845, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20527.645, "end": 20530.945, "text": "And with that, uh council will uh engage the vote on the uh first part." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20543.025, "end": 20544.665, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20545.265, "end": 20546.865, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20551.905, "end": 20555.525, "text": "And that motion is carried with councillor Schmidt and Atkinson opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20556.565, "end": 20559.125, "text": "I will now move to the readings" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20560.605, "end": 20562.445, "text": "of bylaw 8M 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20562.905, "end": 20569.365, "text": "First reading of bylaw 8M 2026. Anyone opposed? Counselors Atkinson and Schmidt are opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20570.065, "end": 20573.765, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 8M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20574.125, "end": 20576.565, "text": "Counselors Atkinson and Schmidt are opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20577.025, "end": 20581.165, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 8M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20582.785, "end": 20584.565, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20584.985, "end": 20589.345, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 8M 2026. Anyone opposed? Counselor Schmidt" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20589.785, "end": 20591.705, "text": "and Atkinson are opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20592.165, "end": 20592.785, "text": "And that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20600.485, "end": 20602.685, "text": "Then, Madam Clerk, I believe we're on the appointment section." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20602.825, "end": 20602.905, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20602.905, "end": 20633.705, "text": "That's right, Mayor Farkas. So the bylaw requires the appointment of members of council, three members of council. One of those members will serve as the co-chair, and there's also a spot for an alternate member. Over the last couple of weeks, members of council would have received an expression of interest email from me. The responses have been received, and those members of council that have expressed interest are displayed on the slide. So that's councillors Atkinson, Chabot, Jameson, Johnston, as well as McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20633.925, "end": 20640.385, "text": "If you would like further information on the selection process, Deputy City Clerk Fraser is here if you have any questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20640.745, "end": 20643.765, "text": "All right. We're seeking nominations. I nominate Councilor McClain." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20647.305, "end": 20648.185, "text": "Well, Councilor Shabot?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20650.565, "end": 20650.645, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20653.285, "end": 20653.565, "text": "Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20657.145, "end": 20658.005, "text": "I'm okay with that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20658.145, "end": 20658.365, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20658.565, "end": 20660.625, "text": "Councilor McClain's name stands. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20660.965, "end": 20661.965, "text": "uh Councilor Johnston?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 20662.025, "end": 20664.705, "text": "I'd like to nominate Atkinson. Uh Counselor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20666.805, "end": 20667.045, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20667.465, "end": 20669.605, "text": "Counselor Atkinson's been uh nominated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20670.045, "end": 20671.605, "text": "Any further nominations?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20672.185, "end": 20673.525, "text": "Uh yes, I'd like to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20673.785, "end": 20674.905, "text": "Nominate Counselor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20676.265, "end": 20676.565, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20677.105, "end": 20679.345, "text": "Counselor Ward, uh is your name gonna stand?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20679.345, "end": 20679.925, "text": "I mean, I'm sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20680.725, "end": 20683.385, "text": "No. Uh then I I will nominate Councilor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20687.605, "end": 20690.145, "text": "And Councilor Clark, you have a request to speak?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20690.605, "end": 20692.285, "text": "Sorry, I'm so behind on these RTS's." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 20692.945, "end": 20697.325, "text": "Uh I just wanted to um also put Jamison's name forward. Counselor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20697.705, "end": 20699.625, "text": "Alright, Counselor Jameson, your name stands." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20701.185, "end": 20704.425, "text": "Alright, uh, can I have general consent to conclude this uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20705.005, "end": 20706.105, "text": "item before we take our break?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20706.965, "end": 20707.265, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20707.465, "end": 20709.465, "text": "Seeing no objection, we will continue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20710.225, "end": 20714.325, "text": "I believe uh we have counselors McLean, Johnston, Jameson, and Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20714.945, "end": 20715.845, "text": "And we will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20716.085, "end": 20718.405, "text": "have to proceed to a ballot, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20719.085, "end": 20719.265, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20719.325, "end": 20729.385, "text": "There's four slots, four people. Four slots. There's four counselors. The next issue would be to determine who will be the co chair and who will be the alternate member." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20733.305, "end": 20738.865, "text": "Who is the the co chair is our rep and the other co chair is the foothills rep, is that right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20739.565, "end": 20741.045, "text": "I'm getting a nod from administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20741.045, "end": 20743.845, "text": "Uh I will nominate Councilor McClain as uh co-chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20744.565, "end": 20745.565, "text": "I accept. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20745.905, "end": 20747.745, "text": "Any other nominations for co-chair?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20749.845, "end": 20751.785, "text": "Okay, seeing none, uh can I get a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20752.425, "end": 20754.925, "text": "uh Counselor McLean, I believe, is acclaimed as co-chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20755.445, "end": 20757.845, "text": "Can I get a nomination for the alternate member?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20758.585, "end": 20759.525, "text": "Sort of the backup person." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20761.125, "end": 20762.785, "text": "I'd like to nominate Counselor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20762.985, "end": 20763.605, "text": "Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20765.105, "end": 20768.805, "text": "All right, Counselor Jameson as the alternate. Any other nominations for alternate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20770.945, "end": 20775.885, "text": "Seeing none, Councilor Jameson is acclaimed as alternate. And then I believe those four" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20776.685, "end": 20781.145, "text": "people and their various titles are acclaimed without the requirement of uh any balloting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20782.045, "end": 20782.525, "text": "Is that right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20783.245, "end": 20784.245, "text": "Holy moly, I got that right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20784.345, "end": 20789.525, "text": "That is right, Mayor Farkas. So we can just proceed to prepare the motion for you to vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20795.925, "end": 20797.565, "text": "Great practice for the organizational." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20797.565, "end": 20799.545, "text": "Council, uh, do note the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20800.265, "end": 20802.525, "text": "this is in two parts. There is uh the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20803.205, "end": 20809.645, "text": "appointment of the individuals, but then also the uh second part is the required operating and capital budget uh requirements." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20811.985, "end": 20816.325, "text": "With that, uh let's engage the evote on these uh two recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20816.685, "end": 20818.005, "text": "Or recommendations two and three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20818.285, "end": 20819.885, "text": "Is it possible to change my uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20821.945, "end": 20823.365, "text": "my vote, my recommendation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20825.205, "end": 20828.445, "text": "Uh I don't think they clicked the button yet, so what what do you want to change?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20828.985, "end": 20830.965, "text": "I'd like to uh nominate Counselor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20831.245, "end": 20832.885, "text": "Atkinson as the alternate, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20833.285, "end": 20834.545, "text": "Councilor Atkinson is the alternate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20836.125, "end": 20836.625, "text": "Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20836.625, "end": 20844.085, "text": "I'm not interested in being an alternate. I'm interested in being on this committee. So uh yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20845.525, "end": 20847.105, "text": "All right. So then we still would vote on it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 20847.645, "end": 20848.085, "text": "Hold on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20848.545, "end": 20849.045, "text": "One second." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 20849.785, "end": 20862.645, "text": "I'm actually interested in being on this committee too and not being an alternate. Okay. I I thought this was saying the alternate co chair. I thought that's what that meant. So I would like to actually not have my name as the alternate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20863.045, "end": 20868.805, "text": "Okay, uh let's rewind that, colleagues. So right now we are seeking" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20869.305, "end": 20872.705, "text": "an alternate of the the four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20873.185, "end": 20877.445, "text": "Um Madam Clerk, I think we should just proceed to a a secret ballot of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20878.005, "end": 20880.445, "text": "counselors Atkinson, Jameson, and Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20880.965, "end": 20883.545, "text": "And then we can indicate the name of who the alternate is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20885.065, "end": 20885.685, "text": "Or pick two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20888.605, "end": 20892.225, "text": "Is that uh is that proper procedurally, or do we just indicate one name?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20893.005, "end": 20896.665, "text": "So, colleagues, uh our procedure calls for us to pick only one name." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20897.185, "end": 20897.645, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20898.165, "end": 20906.085, "text": "You're gonna be uh given the option of putting down on your ballot Atkinson, Jameson, or Johnston. The name that you indicate will be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20906.545, "end": 20908.525, "text": "the alternate. So they will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20911.685, "end": 20917.025, "text": "uh we end we did not receive any further nominations on co chair beyond uh council McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20920.465, "end": 20925.685, "text": "Well, let's make sure let's handle one RTS at a time here and make sure everyone has their uh their uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20926.465, "end": 20927.245, "text": "Procedural." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20927.245, "end": 20928.445, "text": "procedurally" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20928.445, "end": 20946.585, "text": "I think we should be selecting the committee and then selecting the chair, the co chair of that committee, because you're actually selecting who is the chair of the committee. Like to not understand the makeup of the committee, that's a decision that you make based on who is on the committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20947.205, "end": 20955.485, "text": "Okay, from a process standpoint, uh I believe that we had identified Atkinson, Jameson, and Johnston and McLean without contest." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20956.065, "end": 20958.585, "text": "Those are the four names that we had initially put up there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20959.445, "end": 20967.645, "text": "All right. I will again, we had to of the four names, we had to indicate who the co-chair would be. I nominated Counselor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20968.105, "end": 20973.845, "text": "Uh on this, I'll I'll I'll unwind and I'll ask are there any other nominations uh for co-chair?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20974.225, "end": 20974.565, "text": "I I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20976.225, "end": 20977.685, "text": "report of procedure. Go ahead, uh counselor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20978.445, "end": 20979.045, "text": "Counselor Chabot?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20979.065, "end": 20987.225, "text": "We haven't selected a committee yet. I think that should be the first decision point." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20987.705, "end": 20990.605, "text": "So we should be voting for three committee members" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20990.825, "end": 20991.085, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20991.085, "end": 20994.645, "text": "and then determining who the alternate is before voting on the co chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20996.185, "end": 21006.525, "text": "Oh, understood your point. Okay, yeah, fair enough. Uh we we have four interested individuals. I believe then we should ballot to indicate three names, and the top three are the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21007.065, "end": 21013.405, "text": "Uh members proper of the committee, and then the fourth would be the alternate. Is that what you're suggesting, Councillor Chabot?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21015.185, "end": 21015.885, "text": "Yeah. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21016.905, "end": 21019.625, "text": "All right, uh for the the clerk's team. I think uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21021.205, "end": 21026.845, "text": "I think at this point it would probably be procedurally better just to indicate of the four who you want the alternate to be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21028.665, "end": 21032.525, "text": "Just because I think it's gonna be unwieldy listing the the various names." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21034.885, "end": 21038.025, "text": "I'm gonna uh Madam Clerk, would you mind chiming in and you can uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21038.305, "end": 21042.965, "text": "Help us break our dysfunction. I think we're on day seven of nonstop council meeting. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 21043.245, "end": 21049.485, "text": "We are and and I I certainly understand where um we're looking to appoint the committee members first, but in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 21051.165, "end": 21056.765, "text": "given the structure and the way that the bylaw is framed," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 21057.125, "end": 21063.665, "text": "I think I don't see an issue with appointing the committee and the co chair as you had proceeded because there was no" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 21064.205, "end": 21087.625, "text": "One else who wanted to be co-chair, it was done by acclamation. So there was nothing procedurally wrong with that. That being said, if it's council's desire to go ahead and vote on these separately, who's going to be the three members, then who will be the co-chair, then who will be the alternate, then I think the best plan will be let's pick who the three members are first," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 21088.325, "end": 21090.025, "text": "and then we can decide who the alternate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21090.025, "end": 21093.605, "text": "okay, let's uh we're gonna unwind this all the way. Let's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21093.925, "end": 21100.685, "text": "let's not highlight anything. Let's start uh from zero and I'm gonna do the the clerk's recommended uh order of operations here. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21101.405, "end": 21105.185, "text": "uh starting from scratch, let's forget to the last 15 minutes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21105.425, "end": 21108.125, "text": "Uh we need three members of council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21108.865, "end": 21111.365, "text": "to be committee members proper." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21111.985, "end": 21131.625, "text": "We are first going to figure out how who those three members are, and once those three members are decided, we're gonna uh determine who the co-chair will be, and then we will determine who the additional council member alternate will be. All right, so starting from scratch, uh I'm gonna nominate Councilor McLean to be uh a committee member." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21131.865, "end": 21133.385, "text": "Councilor McLean, does your name stand?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21133.905, "end": 21134.305, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21134.845, "end": 21137.025, "text": "All right, Councilor McLean's name stands." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21137.265, "end": 21138.365, "text": "Counselor Clark, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21138.805, "end": 21141.105, "text": "Thank you. I'd like to nominate Counselor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21141.785, "end": 21143.865, "text": "All right, uh Councilor Jameson, your name stands?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21144.045, "end": 21144.385, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21145.305, "end": 21146.845, "text": "Counselor Jameson uh to speak?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 21149.685, "end": 21152.365, "text": "I would like to uh nominate Councillor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21153.185, "end": 21154.505, "text": "All right, Councilor Johnson, you in?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21154.825, "end": 21155.225, "text": "I accept." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 21154.845, "end": 21155.245, "text": "I accept." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21155.745, "end": 21159.925, "text": "All right, Counselor Johnston is in. I'm gonna nominate Councilor Atkinson. Are you good?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 21161.465, "end": 21167.385, "text": "Yes. Would you like my my acceptance? Uh why I think you should vote me on, or we'll do that in a second." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21167.445, "end": 21169.165, "text": "Uh I guess you you could do it now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 21169.165, "end": 21205.305, "text": "All right. So I I I think we want a balanced conversation on this. Obviously, I have not been a big proponent, we'll say, of this file, but I think that that level of scrutiny that I can maybe bring to this file is something that would be quite beneficial in the in the overall makeup of this. I am not interested in being an alternate and just following along. If I'm not on the committee, I will not be running to be an alternate member. So if you want that scrutiny and that being on there, vote me in. If you are looking for an alternate, I hope someone else is willing to take those ranks. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21205.585, "end": 21208.705, "text": "Okay, I'll do acceptance speech for Councillor Johnston if you wanted to speak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21210.625, "end": 21211.105, "text": "Yeah, this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21211.885, "end": 21213.925, "text": "Counselor uh Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 21216.085, "end": 21235.785, "text": "Yes, I I think uh while I think uh you know I I'd like to be one of the members because I am on the Foothills uh committee. It just kind of makes sense that the people in the South that are it part of that Foothills committee and have some understanding. Um it just kind of naturally makes sense to be part of this. So that's why I I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 21236.365, "end": 21236.565, "text": "running." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21236.565, "end": 21237.845, "text": "Why do you want in Counselor McClain?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21238.225, "end": 21239.565, "text": "Uh yeah, this is uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21239.945, "end": 21245.905, "text": "and pertains to the South. We have the three southern counselors that know the area well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21246.625, "end": 21250.125, "text": "Um I wouldn't go on a committee or something in Ward Seven." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21250.365, "end": 21253.045, "text": "Just to try to mess it up. I just think that's kind of silly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21253.345, "end": 21258.805, "text": "Uh I think usually the ward area counselors usually I support them whatever happens in their ward" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21258.985, "end": 21260.065, "text": "because they know best. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21260.365, "end": 21264.525, "text": "I would hope you vote for the three Southern ward counselors, the border foothills," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21265.465, "end": 21267.105, "text": "not Rocky View or not the inner city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21267.405, "end": 21270.265, "text": "Please vote. Uh that's and so that's my piece." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21271.245, "end": 21273.745, "text": "All right, so any other nominations beyond the four?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21275.665, "end": 21277.125, "text": "Counselor Johnston, you want to speak?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21279.425, "end": 21279.745, "text": "I'm good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21279.825, "end": 21280.365, "text": "No, okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21280.745, "end": 21283.925, "text": "All right, uh, I'm gonna close nominations. We have four" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21284.465, "end": 21287.845, "text": "interested individuals Atkinson, Jameson, Johnston, and McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21288.185, "end": 21292.665, "text": "Uh Madam Clerk, I believe we go now to a secret ballot. We indicate three of those names." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21293.105, "end": 21295.485, "text": "And the top three will be the three selected." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 21295.745, "end": 21296.165, "text": "That's right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21296.425, "end": 21301.005, "text": "And then we will go to additionally a different, completely different ballot to determine who the alternate is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21301.785, "end": 21302.385, "text": "Yeah. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21302.725, "end": 21303.545, "text": "All right. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21304.465, "end": 21307.765, "text": "we require ballots. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21309.205, "end": 21309.485, "text": "Well," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21311.225, "end": 21312.865, "text": "oh my gosh, I have them here all along." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21496.785, "end": 21502.365, "text": "All right. So the results are Atkinson, Jameson, and McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21502.865, "end": 21504.325, "text": "As the uh three members." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21506.825, "end": 21510.885, "text": "All right, so we now have Atkinson, Jameson, and McLean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21511.645, "end": 21514.285, "text": "as the three members. Of the three," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21514.825, "end": 21517.105, "text": "we are now going to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21517.585, "end": 21519.705, "text": "seek nominations for co chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 21528.185, "end": 21536.965, "text": "Let's just rewarn the clock to where we were at the start of this time to McLean being co chair and the composition of what we were supposed to vote for back to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21536.965, "end": 21540.885, "text": "So Councilor Wynus, is that a nomination for Councilor McLean as co chair?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21541.165, "end": 21541.465, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21541.945, "end": 21543.165, "text": "Any other nominations?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21545.725, "end": 21549.665, "text": "Seeing none, I am deeming Councilor McClain as nominated" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21550.565, "end": 21551.425, "text": "as co chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21552.005, "end": 21556.165, "text": "Okay, right now I'm seeking interested council members to be the alternate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21556.585, "end": 21558.125, "text": "Any nominations for the alternate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21559.085, "end": 21559.865, "text": "Counselor Jameson?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 21560.325, "end": 21561.945, "text": "I nominate Councillor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21562.165, "end": 21565.805, "text": "Okay. Counselor Johnston has been nominated. Does your name stand, Councillor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 21566.705, "end": 21567.125, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21567.365, "end": 21567.685, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21568.165, "end": 21570.465, "text": "Any other interested uh council members?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21572.045, "end": 21572.265, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21572.525, "end": 21577.385, "text": "Seeing none, uh, Councilor Johnston is acclaimed as the alternate. So that is the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21577.885, "end": 21580.925, "text": "slate that uh we can enter into the uh motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 21606.125, "end": 21612.685, "text": "So Mayor Farkas' recommendation number two reads that council appoint the following members of council to the Foothills County," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 21613.065, "end": 21620.925, "text": "City of Calgary Annexation Negotiation Committee. These are terms to expire at the 2026 organizational meeting. Councillor McLean, co chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 21621.245, "end": 21629.685, "text": "Member Councilor Atkinson, Member Counselor Jameson, Counselor Johnston will be the alternate member, and then recommendation three," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 21629.945, "end": 21637.585, "text": "directing administration to consider the required operating capital budget requirements as part of 2027 2030 business plans and budgets." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21639.365, "end": 21644.685, "text": "All right. Uh can I get a oh, this has been moved by Councilor McLean and uh second by Councilor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21644.965, "end": 21646.605, "text": "Madam Clerk, let's engage the e vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 21665.485, "end": 21666.865, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21667.245, "end": 21668.925, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21672.605, "end": 21676.645, "text": "That motion is carried. 14 to 1 with Councillor Johnston opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21677.385, "end": 21680.025, "text": "All right, uh everyone, we need a break. Come back at four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23578.845, "end": 23581.905, "text": "Welcome back to Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the roll." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23583.505, "end": 23586.185, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor McLean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23586.505, "end": 23589.285, "text": "Councilor Pentezopoulos, Counselor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23590.165, "end": 23591.665, "text": "Counselor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23594.165, "end": 23595.365, "text": "Counselor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23595.885, "end": 23597.205, "text": "Counselor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23599.765, "end": 23601.205, "text": "Councilor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23604.005, "end": 23604.985, "text": "Councillor McClain," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23606.585, "end": 23607.505, "text": "Counselor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23608.165, "end": 23609.445, "text": "Counselor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23609.965, "end": 23610.985, "text": "Counselor Shabot," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23611.305, "end": 23611.605, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23611.805, "end": 23612.685, "text": "Counselor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23615.145, "end": 23616.205, "text": "Counselor Dollywall," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23618.065, "end": 23619.525, "text": "Councillor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23620.065, "end": 23621.145, "text": "Councilor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23621.245, "end": 23621.445, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23621.785, "end": 23622.705, "text": "Councillor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23622.885, "end": 23623.225, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23623.285, "end": 23624.405, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23624.725, "end": 23625.125, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23625.245, "end": 23625.785, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23627.585, "end": 23628.425, "text": "And Councillor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23628.305, "end": 23629.005, "text": "Councilor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23631.805, "end": 23636.105, "text": "All right. We left off on uh we just concluded 941, the foothills item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23636.585, "end": 23640.205, "text": "We're on 9.4.2 2026 local improvements projects." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 23641.945, "end": 23645.385, "text": "Council, this item was at executive committee and is here for bylaw approval." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23645.965, "end": 23646.245, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23647.025, "end": 23648.785, "text": "I don't see any." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23649.585, "end": 23653.045, "text": "Need for a presentation, Councillor Kelly. Can I look to you to move the item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23655.865, "end": 23656.245, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23658.165, "end": 23659.545, "text": "Seconded by Councillor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23659.845, "end": 23661.225, "text": "Any further debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23665.585, "end": 23668.425, "text": "All right. With that, uh Councillor Kelly is closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23668.765, "end": 23671.645, "text": "Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote on 9.4.2." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23692.065, "end": 23694.665, "text": "Counselor Dollywall is absent. Councilor Shabot?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23695.785, "end": 23696.185, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23696.545, "end": 23699.025, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Wyness is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23700.205, "end": 23701.665, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23702.065, "end": 23703.665, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23708.245, "end": 23712.785, "text": "That motion is carried. 13 to 0. Councillor Dallywall and uh YNS are absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23714.645, "end": 23716.545, "text": "We'll move now to the readings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23717.005, "end": 23721.705, "text": "First reading of bylaw 1R 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23722.045, "end": 23726.485, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 1R 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23726.945, "end": 23730.945, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 1R 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23731.385, "end": 23733.105, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23733.565, "end": 23738.045, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 1R 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23738.505, "end": 23740.465, "text": "Alright, we're on 9.4.3." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23740.725, "end": 23744.645, "text": "2026 local improvement bylaws for Stephen Avenue Mall and Barkley Mall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 23745.045, "end": 23748.505, "text": "Council, this item is heard at executive committee and is here for bylaw readings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23750.025, "end": 23751.945, "text": "Alright, uh, Councilor Kelly, would you like to move that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23752.185, "end": 23752.725, "text": "Happy to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23753.505, "end": 23757.985, "text": "Second by Councilor Chabot once more. Any further debate on this item? 9.4.3." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23760.025, "end": 23762.745, "text": "All right, uh seeing none, Councillor Kelly, you are closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 23763.045, "end": 23763.425, "text": "I am." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23763.465, "end": 23765.845, "text": "Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote on uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23765.985, "end": 23767.225, "text": "the respective readings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23788.765, "end": 23790.425, "text": "Counselor Wards, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 23791.385, "end": 23791.745, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23791.925, "end": 23794.165, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Ewell, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23794.545, "end": 23795.065, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23795.365, "end": 23797.425, "text": "Counselor Jamison, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23797.845, "end": 23798.245, "text": "Yes. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23798.865, "end": 23799.085, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23799.365, "end": 23803.845, "text": "Counselor Dolly Wall is absent. Counselor Wyness is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23804.105, "end": 23805.865, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23813.465, "end": 23815.785, "text": "All right, the motion is carried 13 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23818.365, "end": 23821.145, "text": "And I will move now to the readings of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23821.925, "end": 23823.265, "text": "the two different bylaws." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23823.865, "end": 23826.805, "text": "First reading of bylaw 1L 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23827.005, "end": 23827.765, "text": "Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23828.485, "end": 23829.785, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23830.405, "end": 23833.685, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 1L 2026, anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23833.845, "end": 23835.145, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23835.625, "end": 23839.425, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 1L 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23839.765, "end": 23841.345, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23841.785, "end": 23844.745, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 1L 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23844.945, "end": 23846.145, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23848.005, "end": 23853.005, "text": "First reading of bylaw 2L 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23853.385, "end": 23858.565, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 2L 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23859.045, "end": 23863.265, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 2L 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23863.825, "end": 23865.665, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23866.145, "end": 23870.685, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 2L 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23871.225, "end": 23877.285, "text": "All right, 9.4.4 implementation of industrial action plan C6, Greenfield Industrial Land Tax Incentive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23883.785, "end": 23887.205, "text": "Colleagues, I I think we had an extensive presentation and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23888.005, "end": 23889.805, "text": "uh discussion at committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23890.245, "end": 23894.765, "text": "Uh Councilor Kelly requested that the letter from Bill Calgary region be uh distributed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23896.885, "end": 23900.245, "text": "Would we I'll look to you, Councilor Kelly, to make the appropriate motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23901.765, "end": 23903.305, "text": "I believe clerks has it already there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 23903.845, "end": 23904.245, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23904.385, "end": 23907.525, "text": "I would like to make that motion to add the Bill Calgary letter to the corporate record." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23908.065, "end": 23910.565, "text": "All right, second by uh Councillor Pantozopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23912.425, "end": 23914.165, "text": "On that, uh, let's engage the U vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 23927.745, "end": 23929.085, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23929.525, "end": 23931.105, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23932.885, "end": 23935.425, "text": "Uh motion is carried unanimously, 14 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23937.985, "end": 23940.925, "text": "Councillor Kelly, can I look to you to make the main motion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23941.705, "end": 23942.065, "text": "You may?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23943.285, "end": 23948.985, "text": "All right. This is for the three readings for the proposed bylaw for the non residential tax intent program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23949.185, "end": 23949.985, "text": "Do we have a seconder?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23951.325, "end": 23952.945, "text": "Second by uh Councilor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23954.065, "end": 23955.345, "text": "Any further debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23955.805, "end": 23956.385, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23956.385, "end": 23957.125, "text": "Councilor Shabot?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23957.185, "end": 23957.945, "text": "Yeah, no, I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23959.005, "end": 23961.365, "text": "I can't remember if it was this one or the next one, but um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23961.905, "end": 23963.705, "text": "in regards to a tax incentive, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23964.425, "end": 23964.745, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23965.005, "end": 23966.225, "text": "I while I appreciate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23966.525, "end": 23966.845, "text": "the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23967.505, "end": 23969.065, "text": "where we're going with this, I think we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23969.265, "end": 23970.585, "text": "could go one step further." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23971.065, "end": 23973.485, "text": "And it's something I'm gonna have to explore with administration" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23973.945, "end": 23977.525, "text": "uh uh later on. But uh this is something I've talked about before" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23977.885, "end": 23979.025, "text": "uh with uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23979.365, "end": 23982.625, "text": "with our uh previous CFO in regards to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23983.405, "end": 23985.985, "text": "how looking at how we can move the needle." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23986.205, "end": 23988.445, "text": "On that five times multiplier." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 23988.925, "end": 24031.905, "text": "While it it's all well and good to offer a 20% tax incentive over two or three years, if it was brought into the whole tax burden at that rate, it would start to move that needle the other way on the five times multiplier. While it's been debated as to whether or not it's equitable from everyone else's tax perspective, I think that's a that's a discussion we could have, but I think that would be maybe the next step that we might want to look at from an incentives perspective is to provide not only that tax relief, but to add it from the amount of tax for non residential that gets added to the total tax collected on non residential." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24032.325, "end": 24034.465, "text": "And that would help to move that needle towards" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24034.765, "end": 24042.065, "text": "down on the five times multiplier, then roll it into the revenue neutral calculation uh further on down the road. So anyways, it's something that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24042.305, "end": 24046.465, "text": "um I would like to ex explore on a go forward basis, just not for today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24046.805, "end": 24047.025, "text": "Ha." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24048.385, "end": 24049.065, "text": "Sounds good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24052.245, "end": 24054.425, "text": "All right. Uh I believe you're closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24055.185, "end": 24059.965, "text": "Yeah, just wanted to add that uh this does uh support the 2025 Industrial Action Plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24060.645, "end": 24060.965, "text": "Great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24061.505, "end": 24062.365, "text": "It's a good motion for us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24062.825, "end": 24067.065, "text": "All right, closed. Uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote on the giving of the readings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24080.985, "end": 24082.885, "text": "Counselor Wyness is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24083.425, "end": 24084.985, "text": "Counselor McLean, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24085.365, "end": 24087.045, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24087.185, "end": 24088.645, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24096.465, "end": 24098.605, "text": "Alright, that motion is carried. 14 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24099.205, "end": 24104.205, "text": "Moving now into 945, 9.445, tax incentive appeal board mandates." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24105.285, "end": 24107.405, "text": "Similar, I believe. Madam Clerk, go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24107.725, "end": 24108.765, "text": "You have a bylaw reading." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24109.065, "end": 24109.765, "text": "Oh my gosh." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24110.365, "end": 24113.945, "text": "Alright, we have to read the bylaws because that's what we do. We read bylaws around here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24114.265, "end": 24118.345, "text": "First reading of bylaw 13M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24118.725, "end": 24122.045, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 13M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24122.345, "end": 24123.485, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24123.825, "end": 24128.145, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 13M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24128.405, "end": 24130.065, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24130.545, "end": 24133.805, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 13M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24134.065, "end": 24135.245, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24135.845, "end": 24139.285, "text": "All right, 9.4.5 Tax Incentive Appeal Board Mandate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24141.165, "end": 24145.245, "text": "Don't think there's a need for a presentation. Uh Councillor Kelly, can I look to you?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24146.405, "end": 24149.085, "text": "Okay, that's been moved. Uh second by Councilor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24149.965, "end": 24151.805, "text": "Any uh further debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24154.445, "end": 24156.485, "text": "Okay, seeing none, over to you to close, Councilor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24157.145, "end": 24158.705, "text": "Okay, Councilor Kelly is closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24159.205, "end": 24162.485, "text": "I'm clerk, let's engage the e-vote on the uh giving of the three readings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24172.885, "end": 24174.625, "text": "Counselor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24175.225, "end": 24177.085, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24177.345, "end": 24178.785, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24185.325, "end": 24187.305, "text": "That motion is carried 14 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24187.925, "end": 24194.425, "text": "First reading of 14 First reading of bylaw 14M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24194.845, "end": 24198.465, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 14M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24198.865, "end": 24200.085, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24200.465, "end": 24204.925, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 14M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24205.365, "end": 24207.105, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24207.645, "end": 24211.065, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 14M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24211.345, "end": 24212.845, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24214.385, "end": 24218.825, "text": "We're now on 9.4.6, administrative assessment and tax bylaw amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 24226.765, "end": 24228.365, "text": "And these are just the bylaws as well" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 24228.805, "end": 24229.865, "text": "uh to go through" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 24230.025, "end": 24231.805, "text": "as listed on the recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24233.345, "end": 24237.365, "text": "I think we've exhausted ourselves from uh committee discussion. Uh Counselor Kelly?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24238.985, "end": 24240.745, "text": "I'm getting good at this. Yes. Moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24240.945, "end": 24243.965, "text": "Councilor Kelly has moved the recommendation seconded by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24244.405, "end": 24245.425, "text": "Councillor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24246.045, "end": 24246.985, "text": "That's on the floor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24247.845, "end": 24252.385, "text": "We'll consider it closed. Madam Clerk, let's engage the uh e vote on the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24252.705, "end": 24254.165, "text": "Three readings to the proposed bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24275.265, "end": 24277.305, "text": "Councillor Pantozoppoulos, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24277.825, "end": 24278.445, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24278.745, "end": 24281.845, "text": "Counselor Wyness is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24283.025, "end": 24284.565, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24287.485, "end": 24289.445, "text": "And that motion is carried 14 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24290.205, "end": 24293.805, "text": "First reading of bylaw 12M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24294.085, "end": 24295.485, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24295.845, "end": 24300.525, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 12M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24300.965, "end": 24305.185, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 12M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24305.665, "end": 24307.345, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24307.965, "end": 24312.645, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 12M 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24313.745, "end": 24318.505, "text": "All right, we got 9.4.7 delegation of authority under the Historical Resources Act." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 24318.865, "end": 24331.845, "text": "So mayor and council, this is another item that was presented to executive committee. We're here today with the recommendations to give three readings to the proposed bylaw and revoke all previous delegations of power and appointments under the Historical Resources Act." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24332.265, "end": 24335.305, "text": "Thank you very much. Can I please have a mover for the recommendations?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24336.245, "end": 24339.185, "text": "Councillor Kelly has moved it. Second by Council Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24339.845, "end": 24341.245, "text": "Any further debate on this one?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24343.565, "end": 24344.745, "text": "All right. Seeing none," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24345.245, "end": 24351.205, "text": "that is closed. Madam Clerk, let's engage the uh e vote on the giving of three readings and the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24351.605, "end": 24353.165, "text": "revocation of the delegations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24366.105, "end": 24368.025, "text": "Counselor Pantozoppoulos, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24368.485, "end": 24370.525, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Tyres, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 24373.605, "end": 24374.045, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24374.205, "end": 24374.705, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24375.105, "end": 24377.945, "text": "Councillor Wyness is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24378.525, "end": 24380.105, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24383.305, "end": 24385.285, "text": "That motion is carried, 14 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24385.925, "end": 24387.105, "text": "Now move to the readings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24387.405, "end": 24390.825, "text": "First reading of bylaw 6M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24391.105, "end": 24392.445, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24392.785, "end": 24396.145, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 6M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24396.425, "end": 24397.705, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24398.145, "end": 24402.385, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 6M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24402.765, "end": 24404.585, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24405.125, "end": 24408.345, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 6M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24408.665, "end": 24410.025, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24410.765, "end": 24413.225, "text": "Alright, we are now on 9.4.8." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24413.745, "end": 24417.625, "text": "Councillors budget and expenses bylaw and amendments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24421.165, "end": 24422.145, "text": "Over to Councilor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24423.085, "end": 24423.705, "text": "Yeah, I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24424.065, "end": 24426.165, "text": "I'm not sure if anyone wants a presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24426.565, "end": 24427.325, "text": "I can give you a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24427.465, "end": 24428.725, "text": "brief summary. It's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24428.985, "end": 24430.905, "text": "when we have big events, you don't have to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24431.085, "end": 24434.345, "text": "take down every name anymore is what is proposed here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24434.665, "end": 24438.125, "text": "You can just say how many people were in attendance as opposed to having taken" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24438.425, "end": 24441.925, "text": "down everybody's names and also an amendment to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24442.325, "end": 24444.865, "text": "to the uh the Great Cup and Carnival" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24445.545, "end": 24448.265, "text": "and the appointment of that because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24448.505, "end": 24450.365, "text": "the old rules uh were not." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24450.725, "end": 24451.245, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24451.605, "end": 24453.085, "text": "followed through over time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24453.505, "end": 24455.285, "text": "And so it it did create" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24455.825, "end": 24459.365, "text": "some inequity insofar as ensuring that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24459.865, "end": 24463.545, "text": "all members of council have an opportunity to attend one and or the other" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24463.905, "end": 24466.485, "text": "of the events. Um and at least given them" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24466.745, "end": 24467.785, "text": "a first shot before" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24468.005, "end": 24471.585, "text": "others get a chance at a second opportunity. Because the way it was structured," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24471.845, "end": 24473.605, "text": "somebody could go multiple times in a row." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24473.985, "end": 24478.425, "text": "And this brings it back into alignment with previous council direction, which was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24478.565, "end": 24481.085, "text": "Everybody gets a shot and once everybody's had a shot" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24481.325, "end": 24483.345, "text": "then it goes back out to the to the rest of the group." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24483.585, "end": 24484.685, "text": "Did I summarize that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24486.705, "end": 24486.945, "text": "Very well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24488.165, "end": 24489.865, "text": "Yes, I think that's a fair summary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24490.585, "end": 24491.545, "text": "Okay, thanks. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24491.545, "end": 24494.425, "text": "All right, move by uh Councilor Shabot, seconded by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24495.745, "end": 24499.385, "text": "Councillor Dollywell. Over to uh Councilor Johnston on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24503.865, "end": 24505.165, "text": "Um okay, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24506.665, "end": 24509.185, "text": "you can only put your name into one of the two, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24509.565, "end": 24510.905, "text": "Sorry. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24512.825, "end": 24517.545, "text": "You can put your name into one of the two each year, yes, correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24517.565, "end": 24518.785, "text": "but not both." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24518.845, "end": 24519.285, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24519.965, "end": 24525.225, "text": "But but you can only win one, right? One of the two. Because you're only putting name into one of the two. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24525.225, "end": 24525.625, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24525.865, "end": 24528.525, "text": "Before you could put your name into both and win both." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24529.065, "end": 24548.185, "text": "Correct. The only exception to this is when we have a withdrawal and we have nobody else in council who who is interested to go, then there is the possibility that somebody could be going, not to two events in one year, but two events in one term." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24549.525, "end": 24552.485, "text": "Or I guess that's actually the policy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24552.925, "end": 24554.925, "text": "Good. Okay, I just want to clarify that. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24557.545, "end": 24565.125, "text": "Thank you. Yeah, I'll jump in and I think this makes a lot of sense as somebody who hosted a lot of town hall meetings as a city councilor. It was really unwieldy" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24565.345, "end": 24570.985, "text": "to try to figure out who exactly ate what donut when there's maybe 40 50 people in in the room. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24571.525, "end": 24575.805, "text": "um yeah, I see this as uh makes a lot of sense. It's just housekeeping." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24576.465, "end": 24578.545, "text": "Over to Councillor Chabot to close, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24580.545, "end": 24581.185, "text": "uh closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24581.445, "end": 24581.625, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24582.365, "end": 24586.685, "text": "Madam Clerk, let's engage the uh e-vote on the uh recommendation, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24598.005, "end": 24601.005, "text": "Counselor Wyness is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24601.545, "end": 24603.205, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24605.865, "end": 24608.025, "text": "And that motion is carried 14 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24608.825, "end": 24614.365, "text": "First reading of bylaw 15M 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24614.905, "end": 24619.445, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 15 M 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24619.925, "end": 24624.365, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 15 M 2026, anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24624.745, "end": 24626.565, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24627.045, "end": 24630.605, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 15M 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24630.825, "end": 24632.245, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24633.865, "end": 24637.325, "text": "Now we can move on to item 9.4.9, notice of motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24637.745, "end": 24641.205, "text": "Municipal fiscal gap uh report. Over to you, Councilor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24642.925, "end": 24651.185, "text": "Uh thank you very much, your worship. Um, colleagues, I think most of us were present at the executive committee when we reviewed this, but uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24651.985, "end": 24769.685, "text": "One of my top priorities on council, and hopefully yours as well, is transparency, and that includes the transparency of our tax dollars. Calgary should know where and how their hard-earned tax dollars are being spent. Uh, we've already had a presentation earlier today about how our property taxes are being split between the provincial and municipal orders of government, uh, with the majority uh with 58% coming out, 42% to the province. But um this past November, as you all know, we worked really quite hard to get our tax increase uh down and uh uh as we reviewed earlier today. But despite that, uh we are seeing a pretty significant increase on the province's side. Meanwhile, during that uh budget debate that we had in November, we talked an awful lot about uh some of the areas uh that we may be covering in uh that are of uh uh provincial uh jurisdiction. So important areas like the low-income transit pass, uh, game plan, mental health supports. Uh they didn't really see receive the attention that the that they were due in the previous uh provincial but budget. So that's why I'm tabling this notice of motion to uh produce a report, uh bring back a report that council previously received in 2023 and 2024 to highlight exactly where Calgarians uh um may be being shortchanged uh or areas that we are covering that are not necessarily in our area of jurisdiction, uh, so that Calgarians can uh can be sure that um we are covering the area or pardon me. Uh the report will show the areas that we might be covering uh that the that the province uh that the province should be paying for. Um so this is really all about getting Calgary to um get the Calgarians to get their fair share of tax dollars. Uh Calgarians deserve transparency and where tax dollars are being spent, and they know exactly where the buck may be being dropped. So I urge you to support this, to return us back to uh getting this report uh that we previously received." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24772.465, "end": 24777.025, "text": "Thank you very much. Is that uh seconded by Councillor Shabot?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24777.285, "end": 24777.485, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24778.065, "end": 24779.705, "text": "All right, uh Councilor Shabot, over to you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24783.145, "end": 24784.745, "text": "Oh, Councilor Johnston?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24788.705, "end": 24789.905, "text": "That was for the last one, sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24790.585, "end": 24791.725, "text": "Yeah. All right, Councilor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24791.945, "end": 24792.925, "text": "Yeah, no, I um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24793.785, "end": 24796.045, "text": "I'm happy to support this motion. Uh uh again," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24796.805, "end": 24797.265, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24797.545, "end": 24846.985, "text": "I I I say it with a grain of salt insofar as my support of this. I I think it's a good report to have to utilize on our advocacy work, but then we have to also take into consideration some of the things that we talk about from a municipal fiscal gap includes things like MSI, Municipal Sustainability Initiative, where it was a funding source that the province had granted to municipalities. And this was subject to a lot of lobbying on behalf of council back in Dave Bronconia's days. Of course, I was there and I helped to lobby for that money. Um and then we were promised $3.3 billion over 10 years. That got pushed out to a longer period of time. So it it got reduced uh in in quantity on an annual basis, but but it became a source of funds that we relied heavily on. And at the end of the day, there is only one taxpayer. Um our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24848.025, "end": 24872.165, "text": "We uh as a municipality are are creatures of the provincial government and so our liabilities are their liabilities at the end of the day, and um in order to meet our infrastructure gap we need help from other orders of government. And whilst this is focused entirely on the provincial government, I think there should be some consideration given to how much additional stuff that we take on that's maybe federal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24872.645, "end": 24881.285, "text": "So we're looking, we're focusing exclusively on provincial and downloaded responsibility here, but there's other downloaded responsibilities that we have taken on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24881.505, "end": 24885.625, "text": "as a municipality that ultimately should be the responsibility of the federal government." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24885.925, "end": 24899.665, "text": "At the end of the day, it's nice to have this information to help us in our advocacy efforts, but uh this isn't this isn't just exclusive to the provincial government. And at the end of the day, what we call municipal gap." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24900.065, "end": 24917.205, "text": "Is really we're looking to at least maintain the same level of support that we've had over the years, which has significantly declined. Of course, we also had some downloaded responsibility by virtue of not receiving appropriate amount of FCSS funding, appropriate amount of of uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24917.905, "end": 24918.845, "text": "of um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24919.385, "end": 24933.825, "text": "uh uh tax revenue, or I mean sorry, fine revenue, and and of course the automated enforcement has cost significant amount of money for us to offset. So those are just examples of sort of downloaded responsibilities, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24934.165, "end": 24949.645, "text": "It's not just that. We should be sharing other revenues, like the gas tax fund as an example. We get the federal money, but we don't get the provincial tax on gas or any portion thereof. So there's other mechanisms that we should be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24950.145, "end": 24954.065, "text": "hopefully able to get the province to share some of their revenue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24954.465, "end": 24955.565, "text": "But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24956.105, "end": 24959.625, "text": "having that information, I think, would be a good tool to have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24960.025, "end": 24964.505, "text": "for us to all as a team lobby our our provincial counterparts to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24964.905, "end": 24972.285, "text": "to uh share some of that revenue especially the eighty dollar barrel oil or is it more than that now that they're getting that's helping to to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24972.425, "end": 24974.625, "text": "supplement their their their uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24974.845, "end": 24976.245, "text": "their coffers anyways" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24976.525, "end": 24977.105, "text": "that said" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24977.525, "end": 24979.825, "text": "I hope council can support this uh I'm supporting it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24983.965, "end": 24986.665, "text": "Thank you so much. Uh anyone else uh on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24990.565, "end": 24991.625, "text": "Councillor Johnson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24993.565, "end": 24995.645, "text": "Do we know how much a report like this would cost?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 25004.885, "end": 25005.225, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 25005.405, "end": 25007.525, "text": "To create this port a report," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 25008.045, "end": 25008.585, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 25008.725, "end": 25009.805, "text": "pardon me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 25010.125, "end": 25013.485, "text": "And uh with our understanding of it, uh we'd be able to do this with internal staff." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 25014.125, "end": 25014.805, "text": "Good. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 25015.145, "end": 25015.645, "text": "So it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 25016.065, "end": 25016.505, "text": "It's free." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 25017.805, "end": 25019.465, "text": "we'd be able to do it with internal staff." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 25021.725, "end": 25022.025, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 25022.025, "end": 25023.905, "text": "Perfect. That's all I want to know. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25024.425, "end": 25026.825, "text": "All right, uh back to you, Councilor Kelly, to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25026.985, "end": 25030.565, "text": "And good job. Thank you for allowing me to put my name on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25030.825, "end": 25066.045, "text": "Yeah, and a huge shout out to uh uh two co-sponsors of this particular notice of motion, Mayor Farkas, Councillor Shabot, Counselor Jameson, and Counselor Ewell. Um yeah, this is really about uh getting some transparency uh in terms of uh knowing exactly what it is that we might be that we might be covering so that we can, as Councillor Chabot said, better advocate to the provincial government uh in terms of uh getting Calgarians their their fair share, and that all starts with data and knowing exactly uh what those things are. Uh and this uh municipal fiscal gap report will be the way uh the best way for us to be able to do that. So I urge you all to support it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25066.325, "end": 25066.685, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25068.685, "end": 25070.785, "text": "Thank you. Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 25086.965, "end": 25088.505, "text": "Counselor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 25089.605, "end": 25092.725, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Johnston, thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25093.125, "end": 25094.665, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25097.285, "end": 25099.885, "text": "That motion is carried unanimously, 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25101.905, "end": 25103.485, "text": "We are on 9.4.10." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25103.985, "end": 25107.305, "text": "Notice a motion establishing an intermunicipal regional pathway." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25107.845, "end": 25108.905, "text": "Over to you, Councillor Yule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 25110.605, "end": 25185.025, "text": "Many of us have walked along the pathways downtown along the Bow River, a scenic system of pathways that almost never happened. In the 1950s and 60s, the banks of the Bow River were less than scenic. Industrial lands and dumping grounds line the Bow River, and a plan to run the CP Rail along these river adjacent lands was moving forward. However, it was Ward 4 alderman, Jack Leslie, who fought this rail alignment to preserve the lands along the Bow River. Then, when Jack became mayor, he led the riverbank improvement program starting with a plan for a pathway linking the Calgary Zoo to Schoaldice Park. This was the beginning of uh for much of the pathways we have in Calgary today, and what I hope to expand upon uh with this notice of motion today. In carrying uh on with Jack Leslie's legacy, I am honored to have both Ward 4 counselor and the mayor co sponsoring this notice of motion. Uh, it's been a vision of mine since uh I founded the Nose Creek Preservation Society to connect uh communities, municipalities, region uh with uh nature and active mode pathways." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 25185.785, "end": 25208.305, "text": "With the recent formation of the regional roundtable, our mayor uh challenged our council to bring forward items to bring to this table. And so this notice of motion is what I believe we can begin with. Working on collaboration framework with pathways, we could use those learnings to expand to larger projects like roads, transit, and recreation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 25209.185, "end": 25222.885, "text": "I was recently asked to attend the Rocky View County Intermunicipal Committee meeting to discuss this notice of motion. At this meeting, uh Rocky View County expressed a lot of interest in exploring this collaboration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 25223.485, "end": 25243.205, "text": "However, uh with this notice of motion, we can uh request the mayor to explore uh this with more municipalities uh at the round table. It is my experience with the Prairie Economic Gateway that intermunicipal collaborations do attract more attention uh from other levels of government uh uh for their support." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 25243.605, "end": 25263.605, "text": "This notice of motion will direct administration to begin work on a scope that can be brought back to infrastructure and planning no later than Q3 ahead of our budget deliberations in November to determine if this is a project that this council would like to move forward in our four year budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 25263.805, "end": 25264.905, "text": "And with that, I'm open." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25268.005, "end": 25271.225, "text": "Thank you. That's seconded by uh Councillor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25271.845, "end": 25274.125, "text": "Uh I'm gonna go to you first, Councilor Kelly, to second that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25276.845, "end": 25277.065, "text": "Jeez." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25277.905, "end": 25284.385, "text": "Uh couldn't be happier to second this. Um the Nose Creek Valley uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25285.825, "end": 25298.985, "text": "is in need of some love, as Counselor Ewell pointed out. Um and frankly, it's one of the jewels in c in the city of Calgary that uh uh that we have, in addition to Fish Creek and Nose Hill Park. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25299.745, "end": 25331.525, "text": "Nose Creek has not gotten that love over a long period of time. This is a great opportunity in order to be able to help start to elevate it to the position that it really deserves as a natural wonder within Calgary. At the same time, it also allows us to connect with our municipal neighbors to be able to open up these natural resources to them as well so that we all can enjoy them together. So very happy to be able to second this alongside Councillor Ewell." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25335.345, "end": 25337.045, "text": "All right, uh Councillor Johnston on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 25337.445, "end": 25344.145, "text": "Yeah, first question is do we know if there's any indication that these uh neighboring partners are interested in helping us with this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 25344.905, "end": 25347.245, "text": "Have they expressed interest in helping us with this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 25349.625, "end": 25354.565, "text": "Yes, Counselor. Through the mayor, just one second. I believe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25356.025, "end": 25361.345, "text": "I may be able to speak to that, Councillor Johnston, as a regional table rep, but uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25361.885, "end": 25362.545, "text": "I'm not sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25363.425, "end": 25378.445, "text": "Go ahead, Mayor. The only thing I was going to add is that the recent intermunicipal committee with Rocky View County, Councillor Yule attended, and there was quite an interested discussion from the members of Rocky View County to move this forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25379.405, "end": 25386.865, "text": "And I I will just add for information there great enthusiasm from the mayors of Cochrane and Airdrie both. In the case of uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25387.645, "end": 25397.945, "text": "Cochrane connection, most of the connection would be outside of the city of Calgary, be within Rocky View and Cochrane. A little bit different uh from a scoping standpoint for Airdrie." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 25400.265, "end": 25410.465, "text": "Perfect. And then my second question would be uh there's a small ask of $150,000. Would an internal code be attached to that to track how much money and where it's being spent on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 25412.945, "end": 25413.625, "text": "this report?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 25419.405, "end": 25419.825, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 25420.085, "end": 25458.325, "text": "In terms of the question of tracking, uh I'm not sure that we would uh specifically use that technique for tracking it. We definitely would be able to um uh any dollars that are allocated from the FSR, we track those specifically to show that either we have dollars um from a direction that have not been consumed or when that amount of the FSR is complete. So it would only be spent up to the $150,000 that is directed if directed by council. But we would be tracking that specifically within the FSR to see how that's consumed over time and when it's completed if there's any amount left over." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25459.225, "end": 25459.585, "text": "Perfect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 25459.585, "end": 25459.945, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25463.405, "end": 25465.865, "text": "Thank you. Any further debate or discussion on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25468.465, "end": 25469.385, "text": "Counselor Tyres, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 25470.105, "end": 25504.785, "text": "Uh yeah, I was at that meeting actually with the intermunicipal um board um when counselor Ewell uh presented and I asked IDN who was present there how much it's actually gonna cost and they weren't able to um they weren't able to answer that. So I wonder if they can answer that now. I know it's 150,000 one time operating budget to get it started, but as we know, once the train starts, it it doesn't stop. Um somebody had mentioned something between 20 and 30 million. Can you confirm that? Is that close?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 25507.685, "end": 25510.845, "text": "I'll ask the project team to come down and uh answer that question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25518.765, "end": 25539.665, "text": "Thank you for the question. Um we we don't know at this point. Um throughout the summer we're gonna be working to scope um the consultant assignments. And when we come back in Q3, we'll have a little bit more idea of first how much that consultant assignment approximately is gonna cost, and through the work of the consultant, we will know the capital estimate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 25539.665, "end": 25542.985, "text": "You can't estimate like a number for us right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25543.185, "end": 25543.565, "text": "No," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 25543.905, "end": 25544.025, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 25544.025, "end": 25546.705, "text": "The intent is for that to come under under item 1E." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 25548.085, "end": 25553.105, "text": "Not even based on like the previous uh projects that were" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 25554.085, "end": 25559.745, "text": "that had like the same characteristics that where they wanted to do an intermunicipal pathway." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25560.045, "end": 25561.065, "text": "not at this time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 25561.445, "end": 25568.665, "text": "Okay, see that's a problem for me, colleagues. Um right now we have like an infrastructure deficit that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 25569.225, "end": 25583.825, "text": "is very high. Um this project will require, like you're saying, intermunicipal work, also uh possibly talking to the province about funding and things like that and um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 25584.805, "end": 25604.325, "text": "I I like the idea, but I really feel like we need to prioritize advocating for uh wiping out that infrastructure deficit. That's that's more of a priority for me. Um maybe something that we can look at in the future, um, but for now, uh it's gonna be a no for me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25605.765, "end": 25607.565, "text": "Thank you over to Councilor McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25609.045, "end": 25612.425, "text": "Yeah, I'm just gonna pick up on where Councillor Tires was going with this because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25613.125, "end": 25616.585, "text": "Yeah, 150,000 is not much. But if we do go down this road," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25617.345, "end": 25620.905, "text": "I don't think it takes a genius if we're talking about a path to air jury." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25621.205, "end": 25622.025, "text": "That's millions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25622.725, "end": 25627.125, "text": "Millions to go out to Cochrane. I mean, these are these are multi, multi million dollars and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25627.325, "end": 25628.125, "text": "there's no return." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25628.825, "end": 25629.305, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25630.325, "end": 25631.585, "text": "I guess if I was uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25632.825, "end": 25641.725, "text": "we could probably still at budget time decide on whether this goes forward. So I'll support this for now, but I think what we want to see then is I want to see some numbers and then we can see if it fits in because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25641.965, "end": 25643.625, "text": "I'm sure if uh counselor uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25644.125, "end": 25645.845, "text": "tiers says this would be cool." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25646.365, "end": 25647.605, "text": "Whenever you're going down highway," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25647.945, "end": 25653.005, "text": "one out to BAMF and you see them recycling them back and forth out between cock and it's pretty cool. I'd like to see it, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25653.465, "end": 25656.845, "text": "we need the money too. So anyways, I'll support for now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25658.305, "end": 25659.465, "text": "All right, Counselor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25659.785, "end": 25660.905, "text": "Counselor Clark, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 25661.045, "end": 25665.345, "text": "Thank you, Chair. I I suppose just on this subject or this topic, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 25666.345, "end": 25680.285, "text": "like if we're we're meant to do this with our regional partners, is there an opportunity under one E to also explore how cost sharing might be? You know, it's like one thing to identify the cost, but how it's split up amongst our partners." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 25682.245, "end": 25683.125, "text": "Did somebody yell?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 25683.765, "end": 25684.645, "text": "Did I hear something?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 25685.025, "end": 25686.145, "text": "Does anyone have an answer?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25689.705, "end": 25691.685, "text": "Sorry, can you can you repeat that again?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 25691.685, "end": 25713.065, "text": "I sure can. So we are recommending that we um uh look into phasing options, high-level cost ranges, and potential funding sources, including the province and the feds, and grant opportunities. I'm suggest what I'm asking is uh as we clarify how much this will cost, uh is there anywhere in this process" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 25713.545, "end": 25718.965, "text": "putting this together that we can also discern how that cost might be shared amongst our regional partners?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25719.045, "end": 25727.005, "text": "For sure. That'll be something that with the help of uh Kathy's team that we will explore that, the appetite for cost sharing as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25727.805, "end": 25730.285, "text": "Councilor Clark, what I would add is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25730.565, "end": 25750.545, "text": "we know that there are a number of special interest groups that work in the province that are looking for these sorts of outcomes. And my understanding is that there have been signals from some of these groups, and Councillor Yule could probably speak to this as well, that they would be willing to also approach other orders of government around cost sharing opportunities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 25751.465, "end": 25756.765, "text": "Is that at all written into this notice of motion? Like just is there any way to sort of affirm that perhaps" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 25757.545, "end": 25758.605, "text": "as an amendment or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25758.605, "end": 25764.465, "text": "I think that is something that we would do through the course of this work to scope and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25764.645, "end": 25766.665, "text": "could be um identified" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25767.185, "end": 25768.485, "text": "in the report back." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 25769.045, "end": 25769.305, "text": "sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 25769.645, "end": 25770.005, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25771.325, "end": 25772.925, "text": "Oh uh one E" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 25773.525, "end": 25775.405, "text": "addresses that is my understanding here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 25776.865, "end": 25779.525, "text": "I think that's where it would fit, but it doesn't suggest" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 25780.465, "end": 25782.165, "text": "the sharing element, I don't think." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25783.405, "end": 25787.305, "text": "Counselor Clark, if I may, that that was compliment contemplated in number three" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25787.885, "end": 25795.145, "text": "when you read uh request that the mayor through the regional table uh advance this quarter concept as a candidate early collaborative" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25795.605, "end": 25796.165, "text": "initiative." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 25796.165, "end": 25796.485, "text": "Oh, I see." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25796.485, "end": 25796.905, "text": "So it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25797.205, "end": 25800.665, "text": "it was the idea the the cost sharing wasn't in number E." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25801.165, "end": 25804.945, "text": "For municipal and other municipalities, it was contemplated on bullet three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 25805.305, "end": 25818.725, "text": "Okay. Yeah, I suppose um just because if if it does come down to the dollars and cents as it should, that um, you know, that we work collaboratively. It it shows collaboration if we can bring them in as financial partners as well. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25822.105, "end": 25825.245, "text": "All right, I'll I'll jump in to uh briefly debate. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25825.905, "end": 25831.785, "text": "probably no surprise to you colleagues, I'm a big fan of uh trails, and I'm even a bigger fan of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25832.305, "end": 25836.025, "text": "having other people pay for trails. And this is really what that represents." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25836.345, "end": 25841.965, "text": "Um obviously I'm not representing the organization anymore, but I had the opportunity to serve for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25842.245, "end": 25844.905, "text": "about two years as the CEO of the Glumbo Ranch Park Foundation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25845.265, "end": 25853.485, "text": "And it was largely under their own private fundraising efforts that they built the connection that uh spans between Hoskane Legacy Park now and Glumbo Ranch Provincial Park." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25853.985, "end": 25855.985, "text": "That nonprofit, which uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25856.365, "end": 25859.965, "text": "essentially stewards the corridor between Calgary and Cochrane along the Bow River," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25860.345, "end": 25865.845, "text": "uh, privately fundraised upwards of $30, $35 million for the trails, local infrastructure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25866.265, "end": 25872.025, "text": "So, all of that to say is the opportunity here for the connection to Cochrane is really low hanging fruit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25872.385, "end": 25876.845, "text": "For us to be able to finish that, we essentially just need to work with uh one or two remaining." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25877.185, "end": 25879.525, "text": "Private landowners within the city of Calgary," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25879.845, "end": 25886.365, "text": "as well as the developer-funded pathway, essentially from Rockland Park down the hill into Haskane Legacy Park." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25886.665, "end": 25889.165, "text": "So this is relatively small amounts of money." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25889.585, "end": 25894.265, "text": "I can't put" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25894.565, "end": 25897.665, "text": "this nonprofit on the spot, but when I was with that organization," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25898.025, "end": 25901.585, "text": "it was fully the intent of that nonprofit to fund privately" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25901.945, "end": 25906.245, "text": "the money for those trails. And all they really needed was government permissions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25906.405, "end": 25909.305, "text": "And uh approvals in place to be able to finalize that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25909.905, "end": 25914.705, "text": "There is uh a need for a bridge to cross from Glumbo Ranch into the town of Cochrane." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25915.045, "end": 25922.065, "text": "My understanding is that that's being advanced as a priority uh grant application from the town of Cochrane under the Active Transportation" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25922.565, "end": 25928.345, "text": "and Mobility Corridors Fund with the federal government. So that's about $25, $30 million to build that bridge." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25928.645, "end": 25929.045, "text": "But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25929.345, "end": 25932.645, "text": "long story short, uh Cochrane's relatively a quick win." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25933.005, "end": 25937.565, "text": "Airdury, we just don't know at this point, so we need to put in a little bit of work to understand" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25937.885, "end": 25939.365, "text": "what the overall cost would be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25939.745, "end": 25943.425, "text": "I know that uh us as regional partners are really focused on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25943.705, "end": 25950.005, "text": "uh the regional collaboration around economic development. We've identified tourism and events as a top priority for us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25950.345, "end": 25954.205, "text": "Uh when you think about the return on investment that you get for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25954.545, "end": 25958.905, "text": "uh these relatively modest pathway connections, the bank for your buck is there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25959.305, "end": 25963.165, "text": "Uh the cost is not that great in terms of just paving a pathway." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25963.425, "end": 25966.725, "text": "Especially when you have volunteers and nonprofit organizations," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25966.985, "end": 25968.845, "text": "like Lumbo Ranch Park Foundation," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25969.165, "end": 25975.425, "text": "perhaps like uh the Nose Creek Society that uh Counselor Yule was uh previously a part of." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25975.665, "end": 25976.925, "text": "We have a lot of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25977.145, "end": 25981.625, "text": "uh private money out there as well as nonprofits who are looking to step up, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25981.845, "end": 25985.225, "text": "right now we just need to have a little bit of seed funding to understand" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25985.425, "end": 25987.525, "text": "what the ultimate costs will be. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25987.965, "end": 25994.165, "text": "um all of that to say, uh Council, I hope that uh you'll support this. There's a lot of opportunities for tourism, recreation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25994.625, "end": 25997.365, "text": "Placemaking, regional economic development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 25997.725, "end": 26005.785, "text": "A big piece as well is uh working with our Indigenous nations partners and organizations to take a look at some of the placemaking opportunities around there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26006.445, "end": 26006.865, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26007.525, "end": 26014.325, "text": "other than that, uh it's a relatively small ask that gives us the detailed information uh closer to budget time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26014.825, "end": 26024.205, "text": "And I hear you, counsel, in terms of the desire for us not to go this alone. And we're gonna be working hard to get uh appropriate funding from the other levels of government and our regional neighbors. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26024.685, "end": 26028.865, "text": "We just need to get our foot in the door to be able to make that case uh to our partners. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26029.265, "end": 26036.845, "text": "with that, uh thank you again for the opportunity to join you in supporting this, uh, Councillors Yule, Kelly, and uh over to you, Councilor Yule, to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 26038.105, "end": 26114.185, "text": "Yeah, I um thank thank you council for um um hopefully supporting this. I I just wanted to address a few things um for counselor tires, counselor Johnston, counselor uh McLean, the 150,000 ask. Uh that's a maximum on this scoping document just to to see if this is something we want to pursue. Um there's a lot of off-ramps uh I've built into this. There's uh it's gonna be coming to infrastructure uh and planning to allow the public to come and also discuss whether or not this is something that they want the uh the city of Calgary to go. And and yeah, we're not gonna go it alone. If if uh part of this is is having uh Mayor Farkas um requesting Mayor Farkas to to reach out to these these partnerships and and and or or surrounding municipalities to make sure that we have a willing dance partner uh in all this. And so lots of off ramps before we actually make a a large um um commitment to to moving forward. Um but hope you can support this this fact finding mission uh to make sure that we do our due diligence if this is something we want to move forward with. So with that, I'm closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26116.665, "end": 26119.325, "text": "Thank you. Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote on the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26120.625, "end": 26121.185, "text": "recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26136.525, "end": 26137.825, "text": "Oh no, the motion's too big again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26138.525, "end": 26138.765, "text": "Nope." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26138.945, "end": 26139.305, "text": "Never mind." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 26142.885, "end": 26144.805, "text": "Councillor Jamison, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26146.545, "end": 26146.885, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 26148.645, "end": 26150.045, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26150.385, "end": 26152.285, "text": "Thanks. Uh please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26158.465, "end": 26160.505, "text": "And that motion is carried 14 to 1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26165.065, "end": 26169.065, "text": "9.4.11 notice of motion executive compensation disclosure" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26169.505, "end": 26171.085, "text": "was withdrawn and filed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26172.245, "end": 26177.605, "text": "9.4.12 notice of motion providing counsel direction on city building program was dealt with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26178.545, "end": 26179.285, "text": "earlier," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26180.745, "end": 26184.005, "text": "which brings us, Madam Clerk, I believe, to the uh enclosed uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26184.985, "end": 26185.325, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26185.545, "end": 26186.125, "text": "We" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26186.125, "end": 26187.545, "text": "Oh no, a prairie economic gateway." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26187.745, "end": 26188.025, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26188.025, "end": 26189.125, "text": "How could I forget you guys?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26190.445, "end": 26191.565, "text": "All right, come on down." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 26193.985, "end": 26194.685, "text": "No," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26195.025, "end": 26195.385, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 26195.385, "end": 26195.525, "text": "yeah. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26196.265, "end": 26200.645, "text": "we've been spending a lot of time together, too, so I can hardly believe that I almost forgot about you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26209.685, "end": 26214.725, "text": "Good afternoon, Council. We have a brief presentation if you would like to receive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 26214.725, "end": 26215.445, "text": "Yeah, please go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26223.065, "end": 26233.905, "text": "Council, I'm here today with a clear message. Prairie Economic Gateway is a disciplined, time sensitive investment in Calgary's long term prosperity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26234.685, "end": 26243.145, "text": "Structured to protect taxpayers, preserve our financial capacity, and unlock significant private investment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26244.125, "end": 26258.465, "text": "Before I begin, a quick clerical correction. On attachment three, the council report number is listed incorrectly. It should read C 2026-0278." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26259.705, "end": 26265.065, "text": "Council asked administration to return in Q1 with an update on the financial framework." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26265.545, "end": 26267.345, "text": "We are delivering that today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26268.285, "end": 26283.525, "text": "I also want to acknowledge the expertise behind this work. Our Treasury team, led by Scott Brandt, did the heavy lifting on the framework. We have drawn on expertise across the corporation to stress test the framework. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26284.705, "end": 26289.405, "text": "Today, Council is being asked to take two specific actions to maintain the momentum." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26290.485, "end": 26300.365, "text": "Direct administration to keep advancing prairie economic gateway in line with your prior direction and keep the confidential financial attachment confidential." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26301.325, "end": 26313.245, "text": "That's because it contains risk analysis and response strategies, and if disclosed, could harm the city's economic interests and intergovernmental relationships right when we need it the most." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26314.025, "end": 26329.785, "text": "Last year, Council made three foundational decisions that created the platform for this update: approval of the Intermunicipal Deal Agreement, the Oversight Committee terms of reference, and approval in principle of the Master Servicing Agreement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26330.465, "end": 26337.125, "text": "One key approval still ahead, necessary to enable the full project to take off, is budget approval." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26337.725, "end": 26342.085, "text": "That's expected during the 2027 30 budget deliberations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26342.725, "end": 26349.765, "text": "Today's update is designed to set council up for that decision with clarity and confidence. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26350.985, "end": 26359.285, "text": "This slide shows the specific direction from last February that asked administration to return with an update before this quarter is over." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26359.605, "end": 26367.625, "text": "The primary focus of today's update is to address the shift from an interim financial strategy to a financial framework." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26368.345, "end": 26376.665, "text": "We have taken the opportunity to broaden the update slightly by addressing three questions: what gateway is and why it matters," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26376.845, "end": 26388.645, "text": "how we are protecting taxpayers through a decision-gated financial framework, and what's coming back to Council in 2026 so you remain in control of every major commitment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26389.225, "end": 26394.825, "text": "Our commitment as administration is to bring Council the same discipline at every steps." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26395.445, "end": 26404.125, "text": "At every step. Clear options, clear risks, clear decision points, so accountability is never ambiguous." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26405.125, "end": 26409.425, "text": "So, first, what Gateway is and why it matters on the next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26410.185, "end": 26449.265, "text": "Gateway uses a partnership model to turn public leadership into a private sector multiplier impact. It converts regional collaboration into national competitiveness. Two municipalities, the city and Rocky View County, are bound by deal agreement to collaborate as one team, grounded in fairness and proportionality. Proportionality means the share of investment informs the share of benefits. Two private sector anchors to start Shepherd Development Corporation, which owns the rail served portion of the lands, and Canadian Pacific, Kansas City, which owns the main line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26450.045, "end": 26455.825, "text": "Their representatives were here earlier today, but because of scheduling, uh they've had to leave." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26456.965, "end": 26471.085, "text": "This model is proven. We've used the public-private approach before to produce tangible results, and Gateway scales that for trade and logistics. Next slide, please. We have completed phase one," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26471.525, "end": 26488.625, "text": "and the site has achieved gold tier status through CPKC's North American site selection process. That designation has generated substantial interest because investors are looking for locations that are ready, credible, and connected." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26490.285, "end": 26507.305, "text": "What truly differentiates Gateway is that it can offer fully serviced sites exceeding 100 acres, a scale rare in major urban trade corridors and critical for global logistics and manufacturing users who need long term footprints." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26508.305, "end": 26513.105, "text": "The message from potential clients is consistent and blunt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26513.745, "end": 26516.205, "text": "They want certainty and speed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26516.625, "end": 26518.065, "text": "If we can offer both," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26518.845, "end": 26523.465, "text": "if we cannot offer both, investment will go somewhere else quickly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26524.525, "end": 26534.425, "text": "When trade moves reliably, families fill it, stable employment, stronger local businesses, and a city that can keep investing in the services people count on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26535.145, "end": 26547.565, "text": "The economics are compelling. The analysis to date indicates that each dollar of public investment catalyzes at least $8.90 in private investment during construction alone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26548.385, "end": 26552.865, "text": "And there are additional long term public returns for every dollar invested." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26553.865, "end": 26556.805, "text": "And the strategic case is equally strong." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26557.525, "end": 26559.185, "text": "Alberta exports" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26559.445, "end": 26565.985, "text": "grew consistently for 27 years by 8.8 times." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26566.665, "end": 26579.245, "text": "That's rail exports. It outpaced road and air movement significantly. So added rail served capacity positions Calgary to move more goods with greater certainty." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26579.825, "end": 26585.725, "text": "Gateway is development ready, and phase two is where readiness becomes execution." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26585.905, "end": 26593.545, "text": "In 2026, the city's work focuses on conceptual and preliminary engineering design for roadways," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26594.045, "end": 26606.925, "text": "water, wastewater, and stormwater infrastructure, as well as land acquisition needs. So we can move immediately when council makes the next major approval decisions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26608.065, "end": 26615.925, "text": "And because 2026 is focused on design work, I should note there is no impact on the Bearsport South Federmain work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26617.585, "end": 26621.165, "text": "As we look forward to phase three, Council," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26621.805, "end": 26632.545, "text": "imagine a future where Calgary isn't just a great place to leave. It's one of the most strategic places in North America to build, move, and export." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26633.105, "end": 26636.845, "text": "That is what Gateway can become when it is fully developed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26636.985, "end": 26648.085, "text": "A walled class inland trade and logistics port, powered by regional collaboration and connected to global markets by road, rail, and air." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26648.665, "end": 26651.285, "text": "It means jobs people can build a life on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26652.105, "end": 26654.265, "text": "during construction and long after," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26654.745, "end": 26682.725, "text": "across skilled trades, logistics, advanced manufacturing, agri-food processing, and technology. It means attracting major private investment, growing a stronger non residential tax base, and creating real career paths for the next generation. It means resilience. When supply chains are disrupted elsewhere, as they are now, Calgary has more control, more capacity, and more reliability." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26683.125, "end": 26711.145, "text": "Helping goods moving and cost steadier for families and businesses. If we do this right, Gateway is about efficiency, efficient growth, efficient freight movement, and efficient modern industrial development we can be proud of. Next slide, please. Second, how we protect taxpayers through a decision gated financial framework. A financial framework is the project's rule book for money." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26711.625, "end": 26725.365, "text": "Who pays for what, when dollars are committed, how the city's exposure is capped, and how returns and risks are managed. We need it because Gateway is moving from vision to implementation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26725.985, "end": 26734.865, "text": "Council needs confidence, control, and clarity so we can move with purpose without compromising prudence." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26735.505, "end": 26738.265, "text": "Confidence that the economics are sound." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26738.685, "end": 26748.245, "text": "control that costs don't drift, and clarity that ambitious private investment is matched with the right public enabling infrastructure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26748.905, "end": 26755.025, "text": "Since last February, we have advanced from an interim financial strategy to a financial framework." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26755.605, "end": 26789.425, "text": "The evolution has been deliberate. We have moved from directional intent to a defined decision structure. Clear roles, clear sequencing, and clear limits on city exposure tied to measurable milestones. Practically, that means the framework functions as council's guardrails to administration. Transparency you can see, limits you can rely on, and a stop go decision structure so the city moves forward only when affordability, partner commitments, and market demand justify the next step." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26791.185, "end": 26797.805, "text": "Importantly, it is also a leave in document, grounded in the principles we have listed here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26798.165, "end": 26801.745, "text": "We will update it as new information becomes available." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26802.365, "end": 26804.725, "text": "Attachment 3 has the details." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26805.405, "end": 26822.985, "text": "Attachment 3 is and must remain confidential. That's because it includes financial risk analysis and response strategies for different levels of contribution from private and public partners. Public disclosure could harm the city's economic interests. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26824.805, "end": 26850.925, "text": "Third, what the partnership looks like in dollars and what's coming back to Council in 2026. Gateway is designed to deliver a multiplier effect. The private sector carries the majority of capital investment while the public sector invests strategically in enabling infrastructure and services. Public sector investors will fund real infrastructure, machinery, equipment, and vertical build out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26851.585, "end": 26859.965, "text": "The public sector will fund primary roadway improvements, off site water, wastewater, stormwater upgrades, and fire and emergency services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26860.505, "end": 26867.685, "text": "Rocky View County's 2026 to 2029 capital plan includes a $158 million commitment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26868.625, "end": 26878.685, "text": "Administration is continuing coordinated provincial and federal engagement with the county, and we will report back as funding commitments are confirmed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26879.065, "end": 26901.245, "text": "Transport Canada invited Gateway to apply as a Stream 1, which is an invitation only group, to the Federal Trade Diversification Corridors Fund announced in budget 2025. We submitted the expression of interest last week. The full application is due June 26. A federal decision is anticipated in December." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26901.985, "end": 26905.785, "text": "That timeline is another reason we must keep the momentum." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26906.865, "end": 26910.305, "text": "This is what nation building looks like in practical terms." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26910.705, "end": 26921.845, "text": "Phase two alone is expected to create over 30,000 jobs and generate more than $7 billion in economic output from combined public and private investments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26922.965, "end": 26938.585, "text": "There will be additional benefits through later phases as trade grows and the municipal tax base expands. Next slide, please. In 2026, the council can expect disciplined execution and clear decision points." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26939.285, "end": 26952.945, "text": "Two sets of major updates are expected agreement related updates, including the master servicing agreement for utility services and any needed deal agreement amendments to support execution." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26953.845, "end": 26967.645, "text": "Financial related updates grounded in the evolving financial framework to support the 27 to 30 budget decisions on capital and operating dollars and any future requests for borrowing authority." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26968.345, "end": 26979.165, "text": "At each step, administration will bring forward clear options, clear risks, and clear affordability implications so council can make informed choices at the right time" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26980.385, "end": 26982.805, "text": "for Calgarians. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26984.045, "end": 26990.785, "text": "Council, this is a rare chance to lock in Calgary's next decade of jobs and tax-based growth." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26992.605, "end": 26994.085, "text": "And we shall treat it that way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26994.705, "end": 27003.185, "text": "Administration's discipline remains non negotiable. We will only move at the pace that affordability and market interest allow." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27004.245, "end": 27009.925, "text": "But I want to be candid if we move too slowly, the opportunity will not wait for us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27010.905, "end": 27016.845, "text": "We have restated the recommendations here. As I close, I will leave you with three takeaways." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27017.405, "end": 27019.725, "text": "Gateway is a ready opportunity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27020.565, "end": 27022.205, "text": "The fundamentals are proven," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27022.705, "end": 27024.165, "text": "the partnerships are real," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27024.745, "end": 27026.865, "text": "and the demand is present today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27028.565, "end": 27040.265, "text": "Second, it is moving in real time. Momentum is building, and competing jurisdictions are not standing still. This is the kind of opportunity we either enable or we lose." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27041.585, "end": 27044.825, "text": "Third, it is good for Calgary and it is needed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27045.345, "end": 27055.965, "text": "Paychecks for families, major private investment, a stronger tax base for the services Calgary's rely on, and a more resilient economy in an uncertain world." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27057.065, "end": 27067.125, "text": "So today we're asking you to reaffirm your direction, keep administration advancing the work, and protect the city's position by maintaining confidentiality where required." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27068.865, "end": 27074.185, "text": "Let's move forward confidently, deliberately, and at the speed the opportunity demands." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27074.805, "end": 27083.805, "text": "With that, Scott, who's responsible for most of the heavy lifting on the third attachment, and I are happy to answer your questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27086.245, "end": 27089.045, "text": "Thank you very much. Let's go to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27090.105, "end": 27091.665, "text": "Councilor McLean, were you in the queue first?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27091.845, "end": 27092.685, "text": "Or is that the previous?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27092.945, "end": 27094.485, "text": "Yeah, I thought uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27095.105, "end": 27095.825, "text": "Counselor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27096.105, "end": 27096.905, "text": "were you not in here?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27097.445, "end": 27098.205, "text": "That was previous?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27098.445, "end": 27098.645, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27099.165, "end": 27100.525, "text": "All right, you're up, uh Councilor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27100.525, "end": 27103.705, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27103.885, "end": 27104.645, "text": "I mean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27104.805, "end": 27105.465, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27106.905, "end": 27110.525, "text": "I've always been very supportive of this. This is exciting and there's lots of really good work" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27111.025, "end": 27111.625, "text": "and I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27111.965, "end": 27117.785, "text": "Wish nothing but the success, but I always get a little bit spidey senses. We've got to move quickly. We're talking about sometimes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27118.365, "end": 27123.725, "text": "making a decision on small numbers. This is just doesn't really get any bigger, and this is a pretty big decision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27124.825, "end": 27125.225, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27125.585, "end": 27129.205, "text": "and I know we can only talk about so much here, so I'll kind of keep it vague." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27129.865, "end": 27134.765, "text": "When you talk about uh the Shepherd Land Corporation and CP Casey, like their investment is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27136.525, "end": 27138.945, "text": "was a pretty substantial. My understanding was they're just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27139.465, "end": 27145.145, "text": "maybe you can explain it for me, that uh they're not actually putting up any money, like they have the land and they have the railroad, but they're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27146.045, "end": 27149.425, "text": "When you normally when the city does business and we're going to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27149.945, "end": 27150.685, "text": "have a big" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27150.925, "end": 27152.125, "text": "growth application," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27152.405, "end": 27153.645, "text": "the developer puts up" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27154.465, "end": 27155.505, "text": "all the money for the land," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27155.745, "end": 27157.465, "text": "the levies pay for all the infrastructure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27158.045, "end": 27160.545, "text": "But in this case, we don't have any of that, right? This is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27160.905, "end": 27162.485, "text": "maybe just kind of help me out here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27162.745, "end": 27164.725, "text": "I'm worried about our risk exposure here, because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27165.085, "end": 27169.765, "text": "we're gonna put it all out and how we get it back. I know the numbers are on the table there, but again, this is a private sector" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27170.225, "end": 27172.545, "text": "where there's not a lot of money from what I can see" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27173.025, "end": 27174.105, "text": "up front from them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27174.805, "end": 27189.305, "text": "I will start. I will invite Scott to compliment. Um just maybe three points. The first is we can go into more details. We have it in attachment three. We we cover some of this. Um first point. Second point is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27189.745, "end": 27192.725, "text": "that if we consider" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27193.425, "end": 27226.865, "text": "In that attachment, the tools that will be used, we go over them. So there are things like levies involved, there are things like utility rates involved. I'm talking at a very, very high level. So all the usual tools that we would use if this was a Calgary only endeavor. The nuance here is that we're working with a partner, so we have to do things working alongside them and not just going things, uh going things alone. The third point is that we do have a very robust." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27227.205, "end": 27241.205, "text": "Risk process, risk management process. If you want to go into that, we are happy to do so. We can provide a confidential briefing, we can provide materials to your satisfaction." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27241.945, "end": 27244.365, "text": "Yeah, again again I can see the numbers and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27245.045, "end": 27251.945, "text": "everything's projections. I mean there's no guarantee with projections. I'm just I think as a stewards of the tax dollar here," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27253.045, "end": 27256.665, "text": "there's a significant risk and I know you're the experts and we see the numbers, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27257.105, "end": 27258.945, "text": "this is uh I don't think we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27259.585, "end": 27262.925, "text": "well, maybe we could assess this and close if there's the will of council, but it's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27263.605, "end": 27264.105, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27264.765, "end": 27271.365, "text": "it's just difficult to actually articulate or to talk too much. Usually we want concerns, so this is something brand new for us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27272.125, "end": 27272.505, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27272.945, "end": 27309.685, "text": "It is true, it is the first of its kind for us working with a partner for us. There are examples throughout the country. If we go north, if we go to the Alberta Industrial Heartland, they spent years on this, but there are five municipalities with a similar kind of approach and framework. So it's been done here in Alberta. If we go, we can go to Manitoba. Another example that's just two municipalities, so it's Winnipeg and the rural municipality of Rosa. So it's been done, it's been tested. It is new terrain for us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27311.945, "end": 27312.825, "text": "I think the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27312.985, "end": 27316.945, "text": "Manitoba examples maybe not the best when he used. I think did they not run into" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27317.565, "end": 27319.205, "text": "a stall if there there are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27319.425, "end": 27321.205, "text": "whole project on their" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27322.905, "end": 27326.265, "text": "um corridor, the rail corridor, does did that not uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27326.685, "end": 27327.005, "text": "Oh," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27327.005, "end": 27327.845, "text": "issues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27328.345, "end": 27329.005, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27331.765, "end": 27338.025, "text": "I have to say, we're making better progress in my mind than they are, but they are making progress." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27339.065, "end": 27340.005, "text": "Well I hope we do better." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27340.385, "end": 27340.725, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27340.925, "end": 27348.605, "text": "And I'm gonna trust a lot into you and the trust for the numbers and just hope for the best. Uh but again as oversight it's really tough to really go too deep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27348.885, "end": 27350.225, "text": "We could always do this more offline." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27350.985, "end": 27351.405, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27351.485, "end": 27352.245, "text": "Happy to do so." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27353.385, "end": 27355.125, "text": "Thanks. Counselor Banazopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27355.185, "end": 27393.825, "text": "Thanks so much for the presentation. An hour ago or so we just spent some uh time approving an incentive for industrial because we recognize the economic contribution that we have. So something like this where we can invest dollars and get, I think you said 8.8 times multiple on capital, plus you know, take that all day. Uh specific to the public document, the Trade Diversification Corridors Fund. It's a $5 billion fund, it's new. It's split between prairies, Ontario, and so on. Maybe just speak a bit about that. Um, the stream one, the invitation only. Uh have they quantified maximum dollars per project, et cetera? Just a bit of color on that, but given given its newness." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27395.505, "end": 27398.985, "text": "Uh thanks. Thank you for the question, uh, Councillor Pantasopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27399.885, "end": 27402.265, "text": "It is new, so we're also learning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27402.725, "end": 27404.105, "text": "I have a colleague" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27404.525, "end": 27411.805, "text": "who may lean in and support. I have Kelly behind me, but I will tell you what we know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27414.385, "end": 27431.145, "text": "There are three streams. Stream one is the invitation only, and then stream two and three. We did speak with the feds last Friday before we hit the submit button on the UI to make sure it was all in order. The information we have from that discussion is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27432.505, "end": 27434.545, "text": "Projects that are big scale," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27434.845, "end": 27436.245, "text": "homogeneous," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27438.465, "end": 27441.345, "text": "with the minister's invitation, they go into stream one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27442.325, "end": 27455.065, "text": "If you have additional pieces that you couldn't tie into stream one, you can come again for stream two or stream three because they're intended to be smaller scale projects." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27455.485, "end": 27479.185, "text": "And I'm almost quoting verbatim the uh message we got from them. Their top line is what we're trying to do here is to double exports by 2035. So we're really looking for those major projects that will get us there, not the smaller scale project. So that's some of the information we've received." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27479.905, "end": 27506.965, "text": "The full project proposal is going to take months to put together. We have a team working behind the scenes to try and put all of that together. The feds have also asked us that if we need, you know, more conversations to make sure we put our best foot forward, they're willing to support us through all of that. So my sense is most of the $5 billion, you know, or maybe you can think of it as half of the five billion, could go with Stream One." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27508.245, "end": 27509.065, "text": "Perfect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27509.245, "end": 27517.165, "text": "Picking up on Councilor McLean's about risk, um, the full application is due middle of June. Our budget deliberations are November." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27517.565, "end": 27524.945, "text": "Maybe just talk about what commitments we would be making as a city with that final application on June 20, something or other." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27525.845, "end": 27528.705, "text": "So final application is due June 26th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27530.045, "end": 27536.765, "text": "They're not going to make decisions until September. I forget the day in September, but they I don't think they give us a date in September." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27537.605, "end": 27549.825, "text": "Post September, successful applicants will get into a negotiation process where we will bring our lawyers, they will bring their lawyers to work out an agreement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27550.505, "end": 27552.865, "text": "It also requires provincial support." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27553.705, "end": 27562.325, "text": "So one of the things we secured last week was a letter of intention to support this from the government of Alberta." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27562.825, "end": 27583.325, "text": "Uh which we will be including in the full pro uh project proposal. We couldn't include it in the EOI because the EOI is just four questions. Uh you know, tell us how you'd address congestion, tell us how you'd improve transportation infrastructure, tell us that you're really ready to go. Uh and then there's a fourth question that I forget off the top of my head now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27583.325, "end": 27585.785, "text": "Is that letter from the province included in our package?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27586.545, "end": 27600.125, "text": "Uh we cannot upload it, but we've uh we've let the federal government know that we will be sending an email with that letter. Uh we also have a letter from CPKC, and we have another letter from Shepherd Development Corporation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27600.565, "end": 27606.565, "text": "I just asked the recent provincial budget, correct me if I'm wrong, did not have any funds set aside for this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27608.385, "end": 27620.965, "text": "That's correct. And I think for this one, I don't know if CO Dal Gleish would like to lean in into this one. It did not have budget, the budget did not have, but the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27621.365, "end": 27643.725, "text": "executive level conversations that are happening is indicating that there is a willingness to go into that. One of the things we're working with the province to set up is a provincial municipal technical committee that will bring representatives from all the different departments in the province who can help with different pieces and just to make sure we're coherent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27646.565, "end": 27646.945, "text": "Go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 27646.945, "end": 27661.105, "text": "I'll just say that the letter we received from the province, we received it after the report was submitted. It came in on I think Thursday or Friday. And I would just say it's a very positive support letter from Government Alberta administration. Happy to get that around to council. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27661.565, "end": 27673.085, "text": "Amazing. That's great to hear. That was one question I had about provincial support, and it was missing there, but now that's included in there. Maybe just two minimize the overall credit rating impact to the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27673.425, "end": 27675.565, "text": "How do you how do you do that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27678.065, "end": 27726.245, "text": "Thanks for the question. That's an excellent question there, Councilman Panzopoulos. So I I mean, as part of our, I would say, daily activities. So whether this is in the context of the overall budget or just the day-to-day or sort of off-cycle decisions of council with respect to budget and borrowing, we do monitor our rating. We do internally, we have an ability internally to assess the impact on our rating, at least the quantitative criteria of our rating. There's a lot of qualitative adjustments as well as the agencies have their own discretion with respect to our ratings. So what we do, you know, what we can assess, we do assess, and with this project, we aggregate it as part of our corporate planning function into these models to monitor the impact on certain metrics of interest in our rating. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27728.365, "end": 27728.925, "text": "I was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27729.185, "end": 27751.005, "text": "maybe thinking like government guarantees or something like that. I was just I've never seen that. Um but but now I appreciate that context. And and maybe finally just picking up on the at least six billion of investment by Shepard, CPE, KC, and other private sector. Um maybe just a bit of a timeline. Would would the government capital ourselves, Rocky View, Government of Alberta, Government of uh Canada?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27751.505, "end": 27755.165, "text": "Come in first and then the private and what guarantees" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27756.485, "end": 27759.805, "text": "would we have that that capital would flow if we spend it will they come?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27762.725, "end": 27763.665, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27764.025, "end": 27768.085, "text": "I will start with the private sector partner. So one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27770.465, "end": 27775.085, "text": "of the biggest pieces of utility infrastructure is a massive vitamin." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27775.225, "end": 27777.185, "text": "And so one of the ways we've" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27778.305, "end": 27797.765, "text": "determined we can manage our risk is to have a developer funded pipe going first. And so that is a demonstration on the part of the private sector that they're fully committed to this endeavor. So that reduces some of the risk from the private sector side of things." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27798.765, "end": 27821.645, "text": "Three orders of government, the municipal, the federal, and the province. We've started very preliminary conversations. Some of the content you have in attachment three has a profile of when dollars will come. And so we the purpose of that technical committee I I've spoken about is to go into the details about who comes, who's in on first base and who's on second." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27821.645, "end": 27832.805, "text": "I think it was more just the certainty that the six billion would flow. So no no thank you for that and we don't want to speak about anything in confidence, but if we put up as a as a government, all three orders, uh the point nine billion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27833.885, "end": 27836.365, "text": "What certainty do we have that the six would flow" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27837.445, "end": 27838.445, "text": "as part of the project?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27839.285, "end": 27842.325, "text": "Yeah, so we have uh private interest that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27843.825, "end": 27848.945, "text": "uh knocking on the door of of of the developer. The" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27849.285, "end": 27851.365, "text": "um uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27851.585, "end": 27852.225, "text": "you know" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27852.845, "end": 27900.925, "text": "I've participated in converse some conversations with Invest Alberta, Invest in Canada, that's demonstrating that these partners are actually truly committed, and they're some of these people that they're actually the ones providing the investment leads. Most of the investment leads are actually provided by CPKC. They have a mechanism for drumming up, if you like, interest globally, and that's the channel through which. So there are serious players in the space. Obviously, we'll have to wait until people sign the dotted lines, but for them to actually sign the dotted lines, it's a bit of a chicken and egg question. They want to know that they will have water when they come in, uh, that they'll have they'll be able to flush a toilet. So we we have to move in tandem." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27901.105, "end": 27905.105, "text": "There wouldn't be any uh capital spend prior to an agreement being signed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27905.345, "end": 27906.085, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 27906.185, "end": 27920.885, "text": "Yeah, that's fair. I was just a moment's caution when you said that there's we have to move fast, we have to move quick. Uh there's other alternatives or other folks. So so we're still in a bit of a jump ball. Is that a is that a fair assessment? There is other inland ports that could steal this opportunity from us if we don't move quick." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27920.885, "end": 27961.325, "text": "That's correct. So I should maybe be very specific. We have some monies to do the design work that I referenced earlier, but yes, the monies are to come. When we met with the feds last week, their idea of receiving the EOIs was to look end to end across the country. So if we're easing a choke point here in Calgary and Alberta, we're not creating another one elsewhere. And so it's looking at it end to end. So yes, we'll be competing, but you know, there's also the opportunity to collaborate because there's you know different jurisdictions focus on different commodities. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27961.605, "end": 27963.045, "text": "Wonderful. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27964.565, "end": 27965.805, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Yule, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 27967.805, "end": 27981.485, "text": "Yeah, just uh curious on procedure, d um would it be easier for me I'd like to move this uh recommendation. Should um but there I see there's questions in the queue for in-camera. Should we go in camera first and then come out and I can move it when we come out?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27982.145, "end": 27987.925, "text": "Uh why don't you move it now, make some introductory remarks, and then uh we can move into closed session. And then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27988.345, "end": 27993.385, "text": "it makes sense to do the sequence of closed session items while we're enclosed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 27993.525, "end": 27993.725, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 27994.145, "end": 27994.645, "text": "We can do that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 27995.245, "end": 28032.725, "text": "Council administration is bringing forward a recommendation today that we direct admin to continue working with our regional, provincial, federal, and private sector partners. And I apologize to Ryan Riddle, who is here all day, and I wasn't quick enough to keep this on the agenda at the right spot, but uh uh that's a big part of it is the the private sector partners on this uh Prairie Economic Gateway initiative. Um, based on my 20 years of logistics experience, I can say that at its core, uh Gateway is about positioning our region to compete and win." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 28032.965, "end": 28114.965, "text": "It's about making it easier to attract investment, move goods efficiently, and create long-term diversified jobs while keeping growth planned, fiscally responsible, and aligned with our community's priorities. As a member of the Gateway Oversight Committee, I've had an opportunity to meet directly, both with provincial and federal representatives, about this work. Those conversations have been consistently positive. In fact, uh there is a clear interest in Gateway and early signals of support, including letters and invitations to pursuing the funding opportunities such as the Trade Uh Diversification Corridors Fund. MP uh Corey Hogan from the Government of Canada. And today's decision matters. It's it's our first uh as a council, it's our first uh chance to put our stamp on this project. Uh and so you know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 28115.545, "end": 28137.185, "text": "It it matters. Um it's practical, uh it's a practical coordinated plan to unlock opportunity. Uh the recommendation before us keeps the work moving forward with the right partners at the table and the right focus on deliverables. And as somebody who, you know, my whole career has been logistics, this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 28137.525, "end": 28150.765, "text": "project is transformative. So uh I hope you can support the recommendations. I think it's really important to send all these partners uh a message from this council on how we uh feel about Prairie Economic Gateway. And with that, we're open." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28152.405, "end": 28155.225, "text": "All right, that's been moved. Uh Councilor McLean on procedure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 28157.065, "end": 28163.145, "text": "Uh yeah, I know we're gonna be moving into closed here pretty quick and then we have three items. So I know in the past what we've done" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 28163.325, "end": 28175.225, "text": "rather than take our dinner break and then waste an hour and fifteen minutes, we just have our dinner enclosed, we plow through this and hopefully maybe we're done by six before then even. But I don't know if there's something we could do in advance so that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 28176.005, "end": 28178.265, "text": "if we are going late, the dinner's back there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 28178.745, "end": 28182.145, "text": "We forego our break, we eat amongst ourselves in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 28182.625, "end": 28188.385, "text": "it's it's uh we've done before our is there something we if we we have to test the will of council for that, I guess. Clerks, could you weigh in, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28189.445, "end": 28190.065, "text": "Yeah, please go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28190.845, "end": 28192.385, "text": "Just don't get too comfortable back there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28194.185, "end": 28198.585, "text": "I can certainly look into um moving your your dinner location," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28199.025, "end": 28200.865, "text": "which would just require a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28201.465, "end": 28208.585, "text": "motion to suspend the procedure bylaw to forego your your dinner recess if that's the intent if you if you want to work through your dinner recess." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28208.945, "end": 28209.725, "text": "Did I hear that right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 28211.025, "end": 28212.125, "text": "Yeah, I think it'd be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 28212.665, "end": 28216.405, "text": "efficient use of our time. I don't know if anybody else wants to weigh in, but I think that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 28216.665, "end": 28217.865, "text": "we've done it before. And then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 28218.725, "end": 28220.285, "text": "potentially we could be done by six thirty." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 28220.865, "end": 28222.145, "text": "And have our dinner at the same time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28222.505, "end": 28224.385, "text": "Alright, uh second by Councilor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28224.785, "end": 28229.585, "text": "Okay, that's uh prepare uh we'll just need a moment here to to prepare that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28230.245, "end": 28235.565, "text": "Yeah, we'll just prepare a motion to suspend the procedure bylaw rules in order to forego the dinner recess." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28241.445, "end": 28244.605, "text": "And I'm sorry I missed the seconder. It was Councilor McLean seconded by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28244.865, "end": 28245.645, "text": "Counselor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28245.765, "end": 28246.505, "text": "Clark. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28250.145, "end": 28256.065, "text": "Any other uh open session comments here? I'll just uh weigh in and and just repeat my" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28256.565, "end": 28261.925, "text": "my personal commitment to this project as well. It's been really rewarding to get to know the the team" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28262.385, "end": 28265.425, "text": "uh from Rocky View, both elected and administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28265.885, "end": 28271.045, "text": "Uh it's been astounding as well to see just the transformation in relationships between" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28271.345, "end": 28274.265, "text": "when I was a member of council about five years ago compared to now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28274.685, "end": 28277.065, "text": "We're really in the trenches together, working hard together. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28277.525, "end": 28284.105, "text": "you think about this as a significant investment for the city of Calgary, but it's a massive investment when you think about what uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28284.625, "end": 28289.905, "text": "the other party is contributing uh to be able to come to the table as an equal partner. Proportionately," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28290.145, "end": 28295.265, "text": "it's a much more significant uh investment and commitment to that Rocky View has brought to the table." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28295.705, "end": 28301.705, "text": "And I find it even more sub uh I shouldn't say surprising given the the quality of the individuals on the other side of the table, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28302.285, "end": 28315.605, "text": "frankly, this is a uh other municipality who genuinely wants to uh work with us, not just on this file, but on a regional basis. So for that fact alone, this is uh very worthy of our council continuing our uh support for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28315.785, "end": 28316.225, "text": "But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28316.765, "end": 28321.645, "text": "even more so is the actual business case here. The the financial return on investment is solid" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28322.025, "end": 28324.225, "text": "from a city level in terms of the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28324.805, "end": 28331.765, "text": "Fee revenue, the uh mill rate revenue that we'll uh receive. And when you look run the numbers even from the the provincial side," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28331.985, "end": 28334.265, "text": "obviously they benefit from things like uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28334.585, "end": 28338.865, "text": "income tax generation, but even the amount of property taxes now that they capture," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28339.465, "end": 28344.245, "text": "almost half of every dollar in property taxes now goes to the province. Even that number alone," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28344.645, "end": 28347.145, "text": "it makes for a very healthy return on investment. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28347.825, "end": 28349.565, "text": "I believe I've stalled enough to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28349.905, "end": 28353.245, "text": "to prepare the prepare the motion, which is up on the screen. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28353.825, "end": 28357.145, "text": "Before us. So that's been moved by Councillor McClain, second by Councilor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28357.765, "end": 28361.205, "text": "Madam Clerk, let's engage the uh e-vote on that, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28379.385, "end": 28381.225, "text": "Counselor Jameson, your vote please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28383.925, "end": 28385.905, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Clark, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28386.725, "end": 28387.065, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28387.525, "end": 28390.025, "text": "It's giving me some trouble. Yes. The answer is yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28390.525, "end": 28392.265, "text": "And Councillor Chabot, your vote, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28393.685, "end": 28393.845, "text": "Sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28394.745, "end": 28396.665, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28396.665, "end": 28398.525, "text": "All right, please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28401.625, "end": 28403.105, "text": "I think Councillor Shabot wants to go all night." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28405.705, "end": 28419.945, "text": "All right. Uh I did see the binder. What he can fit in one binder, I need two. So that's the experience. All right, that motion is carried. Uh Councilor Shabot, can I look to you to make a motion move into closed session? I believe the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28420.165, "end": 28422.385, "text": "the items need to be listed, right, Madam Clerk?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28422.985, "end": 28432.725, "text": "They do, but just before we do that, Mayor Farkas, you did have Counselor Yew move 9.3.6. So we're kind of stuck right now. So we either withdraw that or we get a second or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28433.585, "end": 28438.125, "text": "Oh, whoops. All right. We need a seconder for this item. Counselor Yule has moved it. Uh seconded by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28439.065, "end": 28441.765, "text": "Councillor Pentezopoulos. All right, that's on the table." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28442.645, "end": 28461.965, "text": "now we can put up the motion to move into closed. And we've prepared the motion to be omnibus for all four items, Mayor Farkas. So it will include item 9.3.6. It will include the confidential legal briefing, item 12.2.1, item 12.2.2, regular update, as well as the confidential notice of motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28462.145, "end": 28467.925, "text": "From a sequencing standpoint, can we have regular update with Chief Administration Officer last?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28467.925, "end": 28468.845, "text": "Absolutely." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28469.685, "end": 28475.385, "text": "Yep. Yes, please. We can just move that the order around. So it will be 9.3.6, 12.2.1," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28475.665, "end": 28478.305, "text": "12.3.1, and then 12.2.2." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28480.325, "end": 28481.485, "text": "Just one minute, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28502.865, "end": 28503.725, "text": "It's just loading." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28517.705, "end": 28519.225, "text": "I think even the computers are tired." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28519.225, "end": 28521.385, "text": "I was gonna say I think we just broke it with that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28521.385, "end": 28521.585, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28521.585, "end": 28522.485, "text": "with that move." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28567.985, "end": 28573.345, "text": "It was the changing of the order on the screen. I don't think that's material. Perhaps we can just conduct ourselves that way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28573.345, "end": 28577.965, "text": "It's not. We were able to bring back the previous, but we're having a hard time swapping the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28578.145, "end": 28580.965, "text": "From a process standpoint, does it matter if we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28582.005, "end": 28582.485, "text": "change that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28583.025, "end": 28586.945, "text": "So for the the public watching uh in close session, we will deal with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28587.665, "end": 28594.165, "text": "The uh regular update with Chief Administrative Officer Verbal as the last item in closed session, if that's of interest to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28594.505, "end": 28595.665, "text": "uh public watching." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28595.825, "end": 28607.285, "text": "And it will be noted that way in um in the minutes record as well that that was the order. But most importantly, this you're looking for the authorization of council to move into closed for all four items." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28608.405, "end": 28614.045, "text": "Great. So uh can I please have a seconder for that uh moving in closed session? Move by uh Councillor Ewell" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28614.885, "end": 28620.205, "text": "uh to repeat uh we suspended the procedure by law to eliminate the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28620.525, "end": 28623.985, "text": "the formal dinner break, which means that we will go into closed session" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28624.605, "end": 28625.565, "text": "until uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28625.905, "end": 28626.285, "text": "we're done." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28626.545, "end": 28629.505, "text": "And then we'll come out and largely conclude our business. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28629.885, "end": 28631.925, "text": "that motion's on the screen. Any debate on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28634.985, "end": 28636.825, "text": "Seeing none, let's engage the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28637.165, "end": 28637.525, "text": "Please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 28654.765, "end": 28655.165, "text": "yes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28656.885, "end": 28658.525, "text": "Councilor Ward, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28659.665, "end": 28660.085, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28660.205, "end": 28662.285, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Ewell, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28662.465, "end": 28662.865, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28662.905, "end": 28666.445, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Jameson, thank you. Counselor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28666.865, "end": 28670.345, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Tyres, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28670.665, "end": 28672.225, "text": "Counselor Chabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 28674.145, "end": 28674.865, "text": "twice yes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28676.385, "end": 28677.245, "text": "And Counselor John." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28677.445, "end": 28679.285, "text": "And Counselor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 28679.325, "end": 28679.745, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28680.765, "end": 28681.705, "text": "No, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28682.105, "end": 28683.345, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28685.145, "end": 28686.625, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 28689.445, "end": 28694.445, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 14 to 1 with Councillor Johnston opposed. We'll see you in the uh boardroom." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 28697.325, "end": 28698.005, "text": "We're gonna move the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 41722.225, "end": 41727.265, "text": "The regular meeting of council will resume an open session shortly. Please make your way back to council chamber." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41979.705, "end": 41981.045, "text": "We're having too much fun here, I think." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41982.225, "end": 41984.585, "text": "Uh we are still" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 41985.005, "end": 41988.725, "text": "in city council. Let's uh madam clerk, please call the roll." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 41990.245, "end": 41992.585, "text": "thanks, Mayor. On the roll. Counselor Wynass," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 41994.825, "end": 41995.685, "text": "Counselor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 41996.485, "end": 41997.825, "text": "Councillor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 41999.045, "end": 41999.925, "text": "Councillor Sherbo," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42000.985, "end": 42001.845, "text": "Councillor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42002.585, "end": 42003.765, "text": "Councillor Dollywall," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42004.205, "end": 42005.385, "text": "Counselor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42006.145, "end": 42007.225, "text": "Counselor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42007.765, "end": 42008.585, "text": "Councilor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 42008.905, "end": 42009.285, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42009.425, "end": 42010.245, "text": "Counselor McLean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42010.845, "end": 42013.185, "text": "Councilor Pantasopoulos, Councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42013.985, "end": 42015.025, "text": "Counselor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42015.585, "end": 42016.545, "text": "Councillor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42016.925, "end": 42018.625, "text": "and Mayor and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42019.465, "end": 42020.125, "text": "I am here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42020.345, "end": 42020.745, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42021.305, "end": 42024.125, "text": "All right. May I please have a motion to rise and report?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42025.845, "end": 42029.265, "text": "All right, move by Councillor Clark, seconded by Counselor Yule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42030.245, "end": 42032.285, "text": "On that, are we in favor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42033.125, "end": 42033.725, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42035.145, "end": 42037.005, "text": "Seeing none, that motion is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42037.325, "end": 42038.965, "text": "I believe we need the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42040.245, "end": 42040.625, "text": "other one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42041.145, "end": 42041.365, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42053.025, "end": 42059.065, "text": "All right, folks. Uh we're we're coming back to the item uh move by Councilor Yule, seconded by Councillor Pantozopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42059.465, "end": 42062.545, "text": "This was the Prairie Economic Gateway update." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42063.165, "end": 42065.345, "text": "Uh my computer is stalled here," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42065.745, "end": 42068.125, "text": "but any further debate or discussion on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42071.085, "end": 42072.625, "text": "None in the chat, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42072.685, "end": 42075.505, "text": "I'm gonna go back to Councillor Yule to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 42077.165, "end": 42081.405, "text": "Yeah, it feels like so long ago since we talked about this. But yeah, I uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 42082.005, "end": 42092.965, "text": "I uh hope we can support this. Uh yeah, just want to show our partners, both regionally, provincially, federally, and private sector that uh this council is on board." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 42093.905, "end": 42094.225, "text": "Close" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42094.805, "end": 42098.265, "text": "Thank you. Um Madam Clerk, let's uh please engage the vote on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42114.705, "end": 42118.505, "text": "Councillor Ward, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Councillor Clark, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 42118.505, "end": 42118.885, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42119.025, "end": 42119.625, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42119.905, "end": 42121.705, "text": "Counselor Dollywall, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42122.685, "end": 42123.285, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42123.745, "end": 42125.525, "text": "Councilor Tyres, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 42125.805, "end": 42126.165, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42126.545, "end": 42128.585, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Chabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42129.085, "end": 42129.345, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42130.065, "end": 42130.285, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42131.645, "end": 42133.345, "text": "Councillor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42133.665, "end": 42134.025, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42135.765, "end": 42137.065, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42137.065, "end": 42138.545, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42141.585, "end": 42143.805, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 13 to 2." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42145.005, "end": 42147.125, "text": "Let's uh move to the next item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42148.965, "end": 42152.205, "text": "It will be 12.2.1. That was the legal briefing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42153.045, "end": 42156.585, "text": "All right. Can I please have the uh the language for the legal briefing moved?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42157.505, "end": 42158.585, "text": "Moved by Councillor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42159.105, "end": 42160.105, "text": "Or Deputy Mayor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42162.045, "end": 42164.345, "text": "Yes. All right, seconded by Councilor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42164.925, "end": 42171.265, "text": "That is on the screen. It's to uh hold the closed meeting discussions and presidential or president pre" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42171.445, "end": 42173.005, "text": "Presentation to be held" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42173.305, "end": 42173.965, "text": "confidential." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42176.405, "end": 42178.645, "text": "Any further debate or discussion on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 42180.245, "end": 42180.705, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42181.365, "end": 42183.185, "text": "Alright, let's engage the vote. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42183.525, "end": 42183.985, "text": "Madam Clerk," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42184.945, "end": 42185.325, "text": "please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42194.425, "end": 42200.385, "text": "Councillor Jamison, your vote, please. Thank you. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Thank you. Counselor Dollywall, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42202.925, "end": 42203.485, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42203.825, "end": 42205.245, "text": "Councilor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42206.365, "end": 42206.665, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42206.825, "end": 42208.705, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42208.985, "end": 42210.485, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42211.205, "end": 42213.525, "text": "And that motion is carried 15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42215.105, "end": 42216.885, "text": "We will move now to the next one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42221.305, "end": 42225.625, "text": "Next is item 12.2.2. That was the regular update with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42225.965, "end": 42226.365, "text": "the no" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42226.745, "end": 42227.945, "text": "notice of motion. Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42228.445, "end": 42231.045, "text": "12.3.1, that was the notice of motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42233.205, "end": 42235.345, "text": "Request to address partner sustainability." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42238.845, "end": 42241.225, "text": "This uh I believe requires a mover and seconder. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42241.305, "end": 42241.665, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42241.665, "end": 42244.845, "text": "It wasn't before we went in. All right. Uh move by Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42245.585, "end": 42248.305, "text": "seconded by uh Councillor Daliwall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42252.125, "end": 42253.725, "text": "Any further discussion on this one?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42255.485, "end": 42258.305, "text": "Bearing in mind the closed meeting discussions were confidential." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42259.165, "end": 42261.445, "text": "Seeing none, uh over to you to close, Councilor Yule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 42261.865, "end": 42266.505, "text": "wanna thank all you councillors for allowing me to let this meeting go a little bit longer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 42266.645, "end": 42267.045, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42269.045, "end": 42271.765, "text": "Thank you. Um Madam Clerk, let's engage the vote, please, on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42281.625, "end": 42282.845, "text": "Councilor Clark, your vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42282.845, "end": 42283.265, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42283.465, "end": 42284.025, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42284.865, "end": 42286.745, "text": "Counselor Dollywall, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42286.905, "end": 42288.345, "text": "Mayor Farkasell, the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42288.525, "end": 42290.005, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42292.225, "end": 42295.585, "text": "And that motion is carried 10 to 5 with Counselors Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42295.985, "end": 42296.505, "text": "Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42296.685, "end": 42298.565, "text": "Jameson, Wyness, and McLean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42298.865, "end": 42299.365, "text": "opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42300.125, "end": 42304.305, "text": "And I believe we have one more item the regular update with Chief Administrative Officer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42313.225, "end": 42317.285, "text": "All right. May I please have this uh motion moved, moved by Councillor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42318.025, "end": 42319.845, "text": "Seconded by Councilor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42320.745, "end": 42321.225, "text": "Let's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42321.665, "end": 42322.825, "text": "engage the vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42339.085, "end": 42342.225, "text": "Counselor Clark, your vote, please. Thank you, Counselor Dollywall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42342.425, "end": 42342.985, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42343.345, "end": 42344.625, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42344.945, "end": 42346.845, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42351.265, "end": 42353.585, "text": "Thank you. That motion is carried 14 to 1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42355.085, "end": 42357.225, "text": "Madam Clerk, are there any administrative inquiries to read?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 42357.785, "end": 42358.725, "text": "non Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42358.745, "end": 42361.665, "text": "All right. There being no other business, moved by Councilor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 42362.345, "end": 42371.545, "text": "Second by Councilor McLean to adjourn. Any opposed? All in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that is carried. We'll see you for your tomorrow." } ], "num_speakers": 42 }