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On the role, Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 998.7380625, "end": 999.9380625, "text": "Councillor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1000.5180625, "end": 1001.4580625, "text": "Councillor Chabot," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1002.9580625, "end": 1003.2780625, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1003.6180625, "end": 1004.5980625, "text": "Councillor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1004.6180625, "end": 1004.9580625, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1005.1780625, "end": 1006.2980625, "text": "Councillor Dollywall," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1007.2780625, "end": 1008.4380625, "text": "Councillor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1008.5380625, "end": 1008.8580625, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1009.0780625, "end": 1010.1380625, "text": "Councillor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1010.9180625, "end": 1011.1780625, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1011.5180625, "end": 1012.4580625, "text": "Councillor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1012.6180625, "end": 1012.9580625, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1013.0580625, "end": 1014.0580625, "text": "Councillor McLean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1014.8580625, "end": 1015.1580625, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1015.4180625, "end": 1016.9780625, "text": "Counselor Pentezopoulos," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1017.1780625, "end": 1018.1180625, "text": "Councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1018.6780625, "end": 1019.8580625, "text": "Counselor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1020.0580625, "end": 1021.1380625, "text": "Councillor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1021.7380625, "end": 1022.9180625, "text": "Counselor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1023.4580625, "end": 1024.6380625, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1024.9980625, "end": 1028.1180625, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Wyness, noted, and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1028.3780625, "end": 1029.7980625, "text": "Mayor Farkas is here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1029.7980625, "end": 1030.2180625, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1032.0780625, "end": 1041.7380625, "text": "All right, colleagues, uh, we're gonna go into some opening remarks. Uh we're going to set the agenda and then uh I'm hoping to seek uh or seek your permission to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1042.2380625, "end": 1047.3580625, "text": "uh recess until the call of the chair to allow for the special meeting of council to begin at 9 45." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1048.2580625, "end": 1051.0780625, "text": "Oki Amboastish Danitara Tanshe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1051.2980625, "end": 1056.3980625, "text": "Indigenous peoples have their own names for this area that have been in use long before settlers named this place Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1056.8380625, "end": 1058.8980625, "text": "In the Blackfoot language, it's called Mukinstas. The" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1059.2380625, "end": 1063.3180625, "text": "Ethendokoda Wastabi First Nations refer to this place as Wachispa Oyede," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1063.8180625, "end": 1066.1580625, "text": "and the people of the Sutana Nation call it Gutstas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1066.5980625, "end": 1068.9180625, "text": "The Metis call the Calgary area Otasquini." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1069.4380625, "end": 1076.8380625, "text": "We appreciate and acknowledge that we're gathered on the ancestral and traditional territory of the Blackfoot nations of the Sigzika, Pikani, and Kainai First Nations," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1077.3580625, "end": 1082.7580625, "text": "the Ethnota Withgestabi First Nations, comprised of the Chinniki, Bearspa, and Goodstone First Nations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1083.0580625, "end": 1084.7380625, "text": "And the Sotena First Nation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1085.0980625, "end": 1092.2180625, "text": "The city of Calgary is also homeland to the historic Northwest Metis and to the Atisawa Metis Government, Metis Nation, Battle River Territory," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1092.4980625, "end": 1094.0380625, "text": "Nosil Metis District 5," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1094.2980625, "end": 1101.5380625, "text": "and Elbow Metis District 6. We acknowledge and give gratitude to the many First Nations, Metis and Inuit, who live here and call Calgary home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1102.4580625, "end": 1104.3380625, "text": "Going to go to uh Councillor Schmidt, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1105.7180625, "end": 1114.3780625, "text": "Uh yes, we'd just like to start with a recognition of uh by acknowledging Calgary Pride Week, which took place from August 31st to September 6th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1115.1180625, "end": 1129.4980625, "text": "Uh Pride Month is most commonly celebrated in June to honor the 1969 Stonewall riots in New York City, uh pivotal moment in the ongoing fight for 2S LGBTQI plus rights and equality." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1129.7180625, "end": 1217.8380625, "text": "Since 2009, Calgary's Pride Week and Parade have been held over the September long weekend, allowing more Calgarians and visitors to come together in celebration. Pride Week is a vibrant celebration of the 2SLGBTQI plus community and an opportunity to reaffirm our commitment to equality, inclusion, and belonging. I'd like to thank my fellow council members and all city colleagues who joined us at the Pride Parade this past Sunday. I was sad that I couldn't attend because of young children, but we celebrate it in spirit. Every year, the city proudly participates in the Calgary Pride Parade to demonstrate our commitment to creating a welcoming and inclusive community for everyone. This celebration is much more than a parade. It is a powerful expression of solidarity with gender and sexually diverse communities. Showing our pride as City of Calgary employees reflects our ongoing commitment to equity, diversity, inclusion, and belonging, values that are fundamental to our workplace and the community we serve. While the celebrations may be over, our work to foster acceptance, respect, and belonging continues and should never end. I encourage everyone to consider how they can be an active ally to their friends, family members, colleagues, neighbors, and especially to youth in the 2SLGBTQI plus community. Everyone deserves to live with dignity, respect, and the freedom to be their authentic selves, and we all belong in this city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1218.3380625, "end": 1219.8780625, "text": "Which is Calgary. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1220.3780625, "end": 1221.4180625, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1221.8180625, "end": 1224.4580625, "text": "May I please have a mover for confirmation of agenda?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1225.4980625, "end": 1227.5780625, "text": "Uh moved by uh Councilor Panasopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1228.1580625, "end": 1229.7780625, "text": "That uh is on the floor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1230.4580625, "end": 1231.0180625, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1231.6180625, "end": 1235.4580625, "text": "my team's chat isn't showing up, and I'm gonna go to Councillor Wynus if you're ready for us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 1240.1980625, "end": 1246.2780625, "text": "Yes, I'd like to set the firefighters to after our lunch break, given they're gonna be on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 1246.6380625, "end": 1248.6580625000001, "text": "site for the memorial." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1250.0180625, "end": 1256.7380625, "text": "Okay, so that will be uh an amendment to allow for the uh that item to be time specific following the lunch recess." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1258.4180625, "end": 1258.9380625, "text": "Madam Clerk?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1259.7180625, "end": 1267.3580625, "text": "It's not an amendment to the agenda, Mayor Farkas. You can proceed with the agenda. We've set it as a procedural motion for you following the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1267.7980625, "end": 1271.4980625, "text": "Okay, perfect. That's uh on the floor, colleagues. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1271.4980625, "end": 1274.0180625, "text": "No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That is correct. That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1277.1980625, "end": 1278.3580625, "text": "sorry, go ahead, Madam Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1278.6380625, "end": 1281.7180625, "text": "No, my apologies. I misread that. That's correct the way you're proceeding." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1282.0180625, "end": 1282.3780625, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1282.6180625, "end": 1284.4180625, "text": "So that's uh up on the screen, colleagues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1285.4580624999999, "end": 1286.6380625, "text": "Uh any debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1288.5180625, "end": 1289.8180625, "text": "Seeing none, all in favor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1290.7580625, "end": 1291.4780625, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1292.3180625, "end": 1297.0580625, "text": "All right. That motion is carried. Councillor Penizopoulos, did you want to procedure?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1297.0780625, "end": 1299.9580624999999, "text": "No, once the agenda set, Mr. Mayor. I procedure. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1300.1780625000001, "end": 1303.5780625, "text": "All right. Let's any further debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1303.9980625, "end": 1305.3580625, "text": "The agenda as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1307.0180625, "end": 1309.5980625, "text": "Okay. Seeing none, let's engage the e vote, please, Madam Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1335.6180625, "end": 1337.0980625, "text": "Councilor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1338.2580625, "end": 1338.6380625, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1338.8180625, "end": 1340.5780625, "text": "Thank you. Councilor Clark, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1340.5780625, "end": 1340.8980625, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1341.2780625, "end": 1341.8580625, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1342.1780625000001, "end": 1343.9980625, "text": "Councillor Jameson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1344.0380625, "end": 1344.3980625, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1344.5380625, "end": 1345.1980625, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1345.5380625, "end": 1346.9380625, "text": "Councilor McLean, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1347.6980625, "end": 1348.0380625, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1349.1780625000001, "end": 1350.6380625, "text": "Councillor Wyness, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1351.0180625, "end": 1351.3980625, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1351.6780625000001, "end": 1352.2780625, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1352.8980625, "end": 1354.4380625, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1354.7180625, "end": 1356.0980625, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1358.7980625, "end": 1372.0380625, "text": "And the agenda has been approved, amended, 15 to 0. Colleagues, we have our special meeting of council to begin in just a couple minutes. Some time is required on the back end to allow for the switchover. Councilor Pranazopoulos, did you want to jump in real quick before then?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1372.3780625, "end": 1380.6980625, "text": "Just real quick, just wanted to include a letter for the public record uh speaking to the uh Gl Green Line from Calgary Tell us Convention Center, Glenbow Museum, and the Worklands Center." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1381.2580625, "end": 1381.5180625, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1382.0580625, "end": 1382.4180625, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1383.1180625, "end": 1389.0380625, "text": "All right. So that motion is up on the screen to distribute the letter into Ford to Council as part of the corporate record." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1389.6980625, "end": 1392.1780625000001, "text": "On that, uh, any further debate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1392.3580625, "end": 1393.4780625, "text": "Uh Councilor Schmidt on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1395.0180625, "end": 1396.3780625, "text": "Oh, sorry, I have uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1396.7180625, "end": 1399.7980625, "text": "another one to come up after this. Uh similar thing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1399.8980625, "end": 1405.1380625, "text": "Yeah, I'm gonna call the question on this uh green line letter from the Workland Center. All in favor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1406.0980625, "end": 1406.8180625, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1407.4380625, "end": 1410.1180625, "text": "Okay. Seeing none, that motion is carried. Over to you, Councillor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1410.2380625, "end": 1418.8780625, "text": "Uh yes, exact same thing, different group. Uh Beltline Neighborhoods Association has a letter for the public record as well that they would like submitted. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 1419.3180625, "end": 1420.2980625, "text": "so that's that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1420.9780625, "end": 1423.6580625000001, "text": "Okay, that's been moved by Councilor Schmidt. Any debate on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1424.4580624999999, "end": 1429.4380625, "text": "Seeing none, I'll call the question. All in favor of the distribution of the Beltline Community Association letter regarding Green Line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1430.1380625, "end": 1430.8980625, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1431.3980625, "end": 1443.4180625, "text": "Seeing none, that motion is carried. All right. May I have general consent to recess this meeting to the call of the chair to allow for the special meeting to begin. I'll attempt to restart this meeting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1444.2980625, "end": 1448.5380625, "text": "let's say 10 to 15 minutes following the end of that special meeting. Hopefully this morning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1449.2380625, "end": 1458.1180625, "text": "Okay. Seeing no objection, we are recessed to the call of the chair for the executive committee and we will start at 9 45 our special meeting of council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2238.8875000000003, "end": 2243.0875, "text": "Welcome back to the Executive Committee of Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the roll." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2243.6275, "end": 2249.1475, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the role for the Executive Committee, Councillor Johnston, Councillor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2249.7675000000004, "end": 2250.7675000000004, "text": "Councillor McLean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2251.5275, "end": 2251.8075000000003, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2252.0875, "end": 2254.6875, "text": "Councillor Pantazopoulos, Councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2255.4475, "end": 2256.6275, "text": "Counselor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2256.8475000000003, "end": 2257.8475000000003, "text": "Councillor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2258.2675000000004, "end": 2259.4675, "text": "Councillor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2259.8275000000003, "end": 2260.7675000000004, "text": "Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2261.1275, "end": 2262.3075000000003, "text": "Councillor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2262.6875, "end": 2263.6275, "text": "Councillor Shabot," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2264.3275000000003, "end": 2264.6075, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2264.8475000000003, "end": 2265.8075000000003, "text": "Counselor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2266.4475, "end": 2267.4675, "text": "Councillor Dollywall," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2267.8875000000003, "end": 2268.9275000000002, "text": "Counselor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2269.3275000000003, "end": 2270.3275000000003, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2270.4275000000002, "end": 2270.7075000000004, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2270.8875000000003, "end": 2271.4675, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2272.6875, "end": 2279.6075, "text": "All right. We left off on the minutes. Can I please have a mover of the minutes of the regular meeting of the Executive Committee, July 14th?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2282.0275, "end": 2285.1875, "text": "Councillor Chabot has moved the minutes. Any discussion" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2285.9875, "end": 2286.6075, "text": "on the minutes?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2288.4875, "end": 2293.3075000000003, "text": "Okay. Seeing none, uh, all in favor of the approval of the or the confirmation of the minutes?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2294.2875000000004, "end": 2294.9875, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2295.7875000000004, "end": 2297.8475000000003, "text": "Seeing none, that motion is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2299.3075000000003, "end": 2302.6675000000005, "text": "All right, uh, we are now on the consent agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2303.4675, "end": 2306.2675, "text": "All right, uh anyone want to pull items? Counselor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2307.6675000000005, "end": 2317.3275000000003, "text": "I wanted to pull 5.2.1, which is uh my notice of motion, just to uh introduce an updated uh uh version of it. Uh all members of council already have a copy of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2317.7275, "end": 2320.9475, "text": "Actually, Madam Clerk, before the the polling, I think it has to be moved. Is that right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2321.7075000000004, "end": 2321.9475, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2322.0675, "end": 2323.8675000000003, "text": "I would like to move the consent agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2323.9275000000002, "end": 2324.3275000000003, "text": "Perfect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2324.5475, "end": 2328.2275, "text": "All right, you've moved it and you pulled 5.2.1. Counselor Penazopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2328.8475000000003, "end": 2329.3075000000003, "text": "Yeah, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2329.4875, "end": 2331.0075, "text": "I'd like to pull five point two point three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2332.4475, "end": 2334.1275, "text": "2.3 is pulled as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2337.0675, "end": 2338.3275000000003, "text": "Any uh further" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2338.6075, "end": 2338.9675, "text": "on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2341.0675, "end": 2347.8875000000003, "text": "Okay. Seeing none, only 5.2.2 remains. Restoring in person attendance for Calgary City Council and committee meetings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2348.9875, "end": 2353.1675000000005, "text": "Uh let's engage the vote, please, on uh the consent agenda omnibus motion," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2354.0675, "end": 2356.0275, "text": "which contains just 5.2.2." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2372.0875, "end": 2373.4675, "text": "Counselor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2374.8675000000003, "end": 2375.2275, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2375.4275000000002, "end": 2380.0075, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Thank you. Councilor Dolly Wall, your vote, please. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2380.5075, "end": 2383.3875000000003, "text": "Councilor Johnston is absent. Counselor McLean, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2383.5675, "end": 2383.9275000000002, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2384.8875000000003, "end": 2387.3875000000003, "text": "Councilor Schmidt, your vote, please. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2387.6875, "end": 2389.2275, "text": "And Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2389.4875, "end": 2389.8275000000003, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2390.9075000000003, "end": 2391.9075000000003, "text": "Mayor, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2392.1675000000005, "end": 2393.5875, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2398.4675, "end": 2403.3475000000003, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 14 to 0 with uh counselor Johnston is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2403.8675000000003, "end": 2410.4675, "text": "Uh real quick, colleagues, uh I'm hoping just for coordination of staff behind the scenes that uh you'll grant me unanimous consent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2411.0475, "end": 2433.5675, "text": "To uh recess a little bit early around 1130 this morning. We have an absolutely mission critical uh firefighters uh memorial uh celebration where strongly just uh urge unanimous uh participation from council. And while the program starts around noonish, there's a parade and procession, and uh it's important for us to get there adequately early to be able to take our seats." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2434.4275000000002, "end": 2434.8075000000003, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2435.0475, "end": 2440.6675000000005, "text": "So we are on consent agenda items selected for debate. I'm gonna go to you, Councilor Kelly, on 5.2.1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2441.9275000000002, "end": 2465.5675, "text": "Uh thank you, worship. Um as mentioned, uh this I pulled this just to uh introduce an updated version of it. Uh I sent around a red line copy, counselors, if you want to see the difference, there's not too much, it's just text motions, uh our uh text amendments, um, sort of upping the uh the accessibility quotient of it a little bit and uh adding two additional co sponsors to the document." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2466.4675, "end": 2469.4875, "text": "And with that, I'm I'm happy to answer any questions enclosed, should there be any." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2472.1075, "end": 2475.7475000000004, "text": "All right, uh that's been moved by Councilor Kelly. Any uh debate on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2476.8075000000003, "end": 2477.5075, "text": "No secondary here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2479.7275, "end": 2482.6475, "text": "All right, uh the revised notice of motion is up there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2483.2475000000004, "end": 2484.8675000000003, "text": "Uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the e-bote" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2485.0275, "end": 2485.4275000000002, "text": "on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2509.4275000000002, "end": 2510.7875000000004, "text": "Councilor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2511.8675000000003, "end": 2512.2075000000004, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2513.6875, "end": 2515.4875, "text": "Councillor Clark, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2515.6275, "end": 2517.6875, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Dolly Wall, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2517.9475, "end": 2518.5075, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2518.7275, "end": 2521.7275, "text": "Councilor Johnston is absent. Counselor McClain, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2521.8475000000003, "end": 2522.2475000000004, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2522.3275000000003, "end": 2522.8675000000003, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2523.1275, "end": 2524.4875, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2525.3075000000003, "end": 2527.0675, "text": "Thank you. Uh please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2530.8875000000003, "end": 2532.9675, "text": "Okay, that motion is carried 14 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2533.6275, "end": 2540.9275000000002, "text": "We're now on the polled 5.2.3. That was pulled by Councilor Penazopoulos, but it's Councillor Shabot's notice of motion. So I'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2541.3875000000003, "end": 2545.1075, "text": "just defer to Councillor Shabot to introduce it first and then back to Councilor Penazopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2545.3075000000003, "end": 2546.1675000000005, "text": "Thank you. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2546.6475, "end": 2550.5475, "text": "I believe uh clerks has a revised uh notice of motion" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2551.0675, "end": 2554.2075000000004, "text": "uh following my discussions with the law department last week," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2554.6075, "end": 2556.2075000000004, "text": "uh as well as legal," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2556.7075000000004, "end": 2559.4075000000003, "text": "specifically in relations to this notice of motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2559.7675, "end": 2575.5075, "text": "Um the motion has been revised to be reflective of those discussions as well as the input from finance and law, insofar as what is within our authority and what is likely going to happen. Uh so the revised notice of motion basically says that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2576.0275, "end": 2581.5875, "text": "Whilst it may not necessarily meet the terms of reference of a typical uh CRL, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2581.9875, "end": 2588.4675, "text": "it's part of what will be conducted as part of the investigation is to determine whether or not they would consider" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2588.6675000000005, "end": 2634.9475, "text": "That as well as the cost implications of actually doing a full CRL. Well you'll notice that the notice of motion originally stated and still states of a CRL type funding. And the reason that I put that in there specifically was to look at uh utilizing maybe only municipal taxes as part of a funding mechanism and creating an envelope around what would be required from a from a um uh proximity perspective to be able to uh have that pro forma workout, to be able to fully finance the cost of building a structured type parking facility. I think any of those kind of funding mechanisms should be directly related to the area that's being developed, which is uh I think why." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2635.1275, "end": 2644.1275, "text": "It the best approach on a go forward basis to address the most contentious issue with regards to TOD type developments is specifically related to parking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2644.4875, "end": 2655.3075000000003, "text": "And for us to be able to make that determination, I felt it was prudent to get this on the table as quickly as possible so we could have a debate as to whether or not we would have the the the the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2655.5275, "end": 2660.4675, "text": "Ability to address this next year during our operating" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2660.7675, "end": 2687.7875000000004, "text": "determination in setting the budget. So I wanted to get this on the table as quickly as possible so that administration could incorporate it into any potential future tax increases with regards to the operating budget. So it will have some operating implications." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2688.5675, "end": 2691.2275, "text": "Putting it on the table specifically to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2691.6875, "end": 2695.7475000000004, "text": "have council debate it at length in regards to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2696.1675000000005, "end": 2697.6275, "text": "what it's all about." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2698.0075, "end": 2700.3475000000003, "text": "And I'll try and address that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2700.5875, "end": 2704.2275, "text": "at council. Hopefully, this is technical enough and the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2704.8275000000003, "end": 2710.8275000000003, "text": "the revised circulation is also being forwarded to clerks if you haven't received it already." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2711.4275000000002, "end": 2715.0475, "text": "But the revised notice of motion, I believe, has been submitted" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2715.3675000000003, "end": 2718.2875000000004, "text": "to clerks, and I've circulated all of you this morning, just so you have it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2719.0275, "end": 2719.6075, "text": "That's my open." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2719.6075, "end": 2721.5275, "text": "That's on the table, Councilor Penisopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2721.6475, "end": 2787.1275, "text": "Thank you so much. You know, the purpose of this discussion is the technical merits, and thank you for closing on that. You know, fundamentally, I would probably generally support this, but my fear and concern is the technical that these information and these discussions happened after the deadline. That is not the purpose of the executive committee. We had time to get it in before noon and it feels rushed and the work comes in there. I had five notice of motions, but I was not prepared and then able to get the information in time to submit it. We have this process for a reason. I think that's what's very important. This is not something that's imminent, that must be done, urgent, dollars have to be endorsed. This is long term. There wasn't discussion with finance, etc. I've got lots of questions around that. And I think last time we had a few of these notice of motions, and I think we let it slide. And I think we have to start making that process because we all are governed by the same rules, uh, even comments, and clarity and changing and things. I think that's what fundamentally don't go to the merits. This is the technical discussion. At council, we will have a long debate about those technical merits. Should we expand? But fundamentally, the technical process I do not believe was followed. And I think it's important for council to send this back, come back in a month's time, and then we'll have the proper debate and discussion once the technical merits have been achieved. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2788.2275, "end": 2789.4075000000003, "text": "All right, Councilor Kelly on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2790.7675, "end": 2804.8675000000003, "text": "Yeah, I don't want to jump forward to any debate that we're gonna have at council, but um I did just want to jump in here and provide a little bit of additional context for the members of committee. Um Councillor Chabot sort of mentioned this in his open, but uh the biggest uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2807.5275, "end": 2811.5075, "text": "We've got to make sure everyone is muted, please, if you're on the line, so that we can hear from Councilor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2813.0675, "end": 2815.9875, "text": "uh this is primarily uh uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2816.5875000000005, "end": 2862.0275, "text": "As it relates to some additional infrastructure that may be required for with uh with these uh um transit-oriented community sites, uh the number one thing that we're hearing from neighbors is the concern about parking. And uh taking a look at this is uh I think a prudent step for us to be able to look at ways that we might be able to provide some additional parking on those sites. And so uh yeah, I'm happy to support this uh uh going forward for full uh discussion at council. Um I think it's uh it's something that CMLC has a lot of experience with, and I'm very glad that uh the finance and legal teams have uh taken a deeper dive on this, Counselor Chabot. Um and maybe I will ask the counselor just in his close if you can just address uh that CMLC has signed off on this updated version of the um uh of the notice motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2863.6675000000005, "end": 2864.9875, "text": "Thank you. Councillor Clark, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2866.4675, "end": 2880.3475000000003, "text": "Um just to I'll open with a question, I suppose, um, to administration. Uh this is additional work, and I just want to make sure that we can do this in-house and and come back to the table with the insights that this would potentially provide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2882.0475, "end": 2885.2475000000004, "text": "We're getting borderline to the merits, but I'll allow it just for the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2885.4675, "end": 2887.3475000000003, "text": "Just questions of admin, I'm not allowed to ask admin." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2887.6475, "end": 2894.8275000000003, "text": "it's it's just getting into like whether we should do this. Uh qualitative questions are probably not before us in committee, but given that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2895.3475000000003, "end": 2901.4875, "text": "there is a timeline that needs to be adhered to, I'm I'm gonna allow your question because the the gist is whether this is physically possible." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2901.8275000000003, "end": 2902.6275000000005, "text": "I understand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2902.8275000000003, "end": 2914.2875000000004, "text": "Yeah, and I'll just clarify that uh my question I thought related to technical merit because uh we have to accommodate. I think one of the questions in the checklist is whether or not there's added cost to doing the work. So just curious." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2916.8875000000003, "end": 2925.1475, "text": "So, from a finance perspective, um we had finance meet with um the counselor, and they've already started work on this, and so um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2925.4875, "end": 2927.7875000000004, "text": "they have confidence that they can meet that timeline." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 2928.0075, "end": 2937.7475000000004, "text": "Perfect. Yeah. No, I certainly support the the point as well. I mean obviously I've got uh Franklin station well underway and and this was point number one, so very glad. Thanks so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2938.8475000000003, "end": 2943.2075000000004, "text": "Over to you, uh counselor Well, you're in under the wire, Councilor Wynos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2944.1475, "end": 2946.4675, "text": "Thanks. It was just because the answer. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2947.1075, "end": 2957.8075, "text": "admin has already started working on this notice of motion or I I was very curious because council hasn't approved this notice of motion. We're we're doing the merits of it. So has work actually begun on what's even before us?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2958.3475000000003, "end": 2959.3875000000003, "text": "Just to clarify," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2959.6075, "end": 2960.1075, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2962.0875000000005, "end": 2995.2475000000004, "text": "finance has not started work on the notice of motion. On a greater topic, finance has been looking at alternative sources and ways to fund debt and understanding the pros and cons. So at an early stage, we've started looking at different ways that we could um move in different directions in order to manage that. So this is one of those potentials, and so additional work for sure will be required to say, okay, of the possible alternatives, now they would have to dedicate more time and more dedicated time on this to say, okay, what would it look like and what would it flush out to be by that date?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2995.3875000000003, "end": 2996.1275000000005, "text": "Awesome. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2996.8275000000003, "end": 2998.3075, "text": "All right, Councilor Shabota, close, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3000.1475, "end": 3000.9075000000003, "text": "Yeah, I uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3001.7675, "end": 3005.5675, "text": "I appreciate uh what Councillor Pantasopos was saying in regards to process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3005.8875000000003, "end": 3014.3075, "text": "The um I I too have several other notices of motion that I didn't forward on because they hadn't been complete, and some of them through circulation," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3014.7075000000004, "end": 3019.4075000000003, "text": "I uh was advised that would best to to hold off on the notice of motion until" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3019.7675, "end": 3024.0875000000005, "text": "until following another decision like the Calgary Plan, as an example, which I've circulated all of you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3024.3875000000003, "end": 3025.5075, "text": "on, so at least you have a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3025.9475, "end": 3029.1675000000005, "text": "a precursor on what I do plan on bringing forward into the future" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3029.6875, "end": 3032.3075, "text": "uh and sort of setting the stage also for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3032.6275000000005, "end": 3039.9275000000002, "text": "I have other ones as well. I and I haven't shared those ones with you guys, but it has to do with like local improvements. But having said that," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3040.2275, "end": 3040.8275000000003, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3041.3275000000003, "end": 3074.8075, "text": "This notice of motion I think was essential to get onto the floor as quickly as possible. And and I wanted to make sure that I at least got it in the queue so so we could have this discussion at council to allow administration time to to at least put their thoughts around the implications of moving forward with the CRL, the costs associated with it, and being able to report back to us on what the intent of that or what that would actually look like. And within the timeline that they can actually deliver it on, which is again in line with our future budget deliberations, hence the October 5th date." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3075.1075, "end": 3095.8675000000003, "text": "So CMLC has been consulted throughout all of this. There's been a lot of discussions around CRL and the cost implications of that. But to be more specific on a site like this, I don't think we've done that in depth examination as to whether or not even would qualify under provincial regulations. That discussion is what took place with legal and the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3097.5875000000005, "end": 3100.9275000000002, "text": "Uh and the finance uh just recently and and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3101.3875000000003, "end": 3108.1675000000005, "text": "following that discussion is why I amended the notice of motion to be more reflective of those discussions. CMLC has also" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3108.4275000000002, "end": 3112.6275000000005, "text": "uh been made aware of those discussions and and how this is gonna go forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3113.1275000000005, "end": 3114.0475, "text": "Anyways, I hope" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3114.3275000000003, "end": 3129.9475, "text": "Council can support this notice of motion so we can have a fulsome discussion around the merits of it and uh and the value that we uh it'll have and whether or not this is the direction we want to move forward on uh with regards to this. Uh so hopefully council can support this and we can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3130.1275000000005, "end": 3131.1675000000005, "text": "deal with it uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3131.3075, "end": 3132.2875000000004, "text": "as well as maybe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3132.4875, "end": 3133.3475000000003, "text": "hear from other" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3133.9875, "end": 3134.6875, "text": "parties" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3135.5275, "end": 3135.9875, "text": "at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3136.1875, "end": 3138.2475000000004, "text": "at council should this uh make its way there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3138.9675, "end": 3139.3075, "text": "Close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3139.8475000000003, "end": 3141.2675, "text": "Alright, let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3160.1675000000005, "end": 3161.7475000000004, "text": "Councillor Dollywall, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3162.0475, "end": 3162.6875, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3162.9875, "end": 3167.1875, "text": "Councilor Johnston's absent. Counselor McLean, thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3168.5275, "end": 3168.8475000000003, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3170.2675, "end": 3171.4075000000003, "text": "Mayor, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3172.4475, "end": 3173.6875, "text": "Alright, please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3176.1475, "end": 3179.5075, "text": "Not the motion is carried, 13 to 1 with Councillor Panasopoulos opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3180.2075000000004, "end": 3184.5075, "text": "Alright, uh let's move to 7.2 update on U.S. tariffs in the city supply chain." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3204.5475, "end": 3206.2675, "text": "Good morning, members of the Executive Committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3206.8075, "end": 3217.0875000000005, "text": "I'm Amit Patil, Director of Supply Management. I'm also joined here by with Jay Smith, the manager of procurement transformation, and Jazal Aprisio Hall, leader of supply chain within my team." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3218.6475, "end": 3223.6275000000005, "text": "The city is no stranger to the tariffs, cost escalations, or supply chain disruptions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3224.5475, "end": 3235.6075, "text": "Supply management and contract owners across the city are working together to understand the impact and potential mitigation from the recent announcements around tariffs. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3238.6075, "end": 3242.8475000000003, "text": "When the first round of US tariffs were announced in February 2025," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3243.3275000000003, "end": 3258.2075000000004, "text": "we received Council direction to update the Executive Committee whenever there was a significant negative impact on our supply chain andor our financial position due to the tariffs, supply chain disruptions, or regulatory changes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3258.6075, "end": 3262.6075, "text": "Our last formal update was in September 2025." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3263.2075000000004, "end": 3264.5875000000005, "text": "The risk was managed," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3264.9875, "end": 3268.8275000000003, "text": "and Canada also paused the majority of retaliatory tariffs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3269.5675, "end": 3270.2275, "text": "However," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3270.7675, "end": 3276.5875000000005, "text": "the work behind the scenes never stopped. We continued to monitor and find alternative sourcing strategies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3276.9075000000003, "end": 3286.4675, "text": "As part of our daily procurement operations, we continue to work on the mitigation strategies on how to mitigate those tariffs and other disruptions that provide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3287.6675000000005, "end": 3295.3675000000003, "text": "Now that the tariff situation has escalated significantly between both countries, it was the time to return with a formal update." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3295.8075, "end": 3296.6675000000005, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3300.0475, "end": 3304.4075000000003, "text": "Our recommendation is to receive this presentation for corporate record." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3305.0275, "end": 3310.4075000000003, "text": "I'll pass this over to Jazal to run you through our existing current tariff situation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3314.1475, "end": 3314.9875, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3317.2675, "end": 3324.2075000000004, "text": "So here's a timeline of what has taken effect since the first US and retaliatory tariffs started in March 2025." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3324.8475000000003, "end": 3328.9875, "text": "So as you can see, it's been a constantly dynamic and fluid situation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3329.8075, "end": 3334.8475000000003, "text": "From September 2025 until recently, we were in a relatively stable state," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3335.2675, "end": 3342.6875, "text": "with Canada removing most of its counter tariffs, although there remained a 25% retaliatory tariff on steel, aluminum," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3342.8475000000003, "end": 3344.4875, "text": "and vehicles that were not covered." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3344.7875000000004, "end": 3349.6875, "text": "Under our existing Canada-US-Mexico trade agreement, also known as CUSMA." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3351.4475, "end": 3358.8275000000003, "text": "Of important note, the city of Calgary is primarily impacted by Canada's retaliatory tariffs since we are only purchasers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3359.7475000000004, "end": 3363.3275000000003, "text": "A new round of Canada's retaliatory tariffs start today" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3363.5075, "end": 3367.2875000000004, "text": "on 27.6 billion of US imports." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3367.7275, "end": 3370.9275000000002, "text": "This applies to all contracts that are active right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3372.1475, "end": 3377.3875000000003, "text": "Tariffs on US steel and aluminum have also doubled from 25 to 50 percent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3378.2875000000004, "end": 3382.5475, "text": "And there are new tariffs on U.S. goods that directly impact municipalities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3383.0875000000005, "end": 3394.3275000000003, "text": "A particular note are sea trains, specialized vehicles like and fire equipment, and copper wire and electrical equipment used by our water and wastewater controls and traffic systems." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3395.2475000000004, "end": 3399.1675000000005, "text": "To translate this to our direct impacts, I will pass this back to Amet." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 3399.3275000000003, "end": 3400.3675000000003, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3401.6075, "end": 3402.1675000000005, "text": "Thanks, Jazal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3402.9275000000002, "end": 3408.9875, "text": "So, what this means for our current active procurement contract value of $5.3 billion" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3409.4475, "end": 3418.0075, "text": "is an estimated cost increase of $315 to $466 million. That's the range that we are looking at in addition to our existing spend." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3418.9875, "end": 3421.4475, "text": "This is our projected estimate, assuming." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3421.7875000000004, "end": 3429.6075, "text": "The tariff continues for long term. That's through their life of the contract. And there is no mitigation strategies in place." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3430.3675000000003, "end": 3435.2275, "text": "I will emphasize this scenario-based modeling, and I understand the number is concerning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3437.1075, "end": 3444.5675, "text": "This is a point in time snapshot, and to set the expectations, we have mitigation strategies, and we have proven" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3445.0275, "end": 3447.5875000000005, "text": "that they work to reduce the cost." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3448.3475000000003, "end": 3450.3275000000003, "text": "But not everything can be mitigated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3450.9475, "end": 3456.7875000000004, "text": "The impact will be mostly felt in our infrastructure projects, utilities, transit, and technology." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3457.7275, "end": 3460.3275000000003, "text": "This estimate is reflective of our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3461.1275000000005, "end": 3465.7075000000004, "text": "positive portfolio of 95% of our contracts with Canadian suppliers," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3465.8675000000003, "end": 3469.7875000000004, "text": "70% within Alberta, and 60% within Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3470.6475, "end": 3475.8475000000003, "text": "Because of our predominantly Canadian contract base and effective mitigation measures," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3476.4875, "end": 3484.9275000000002, "text": "with the last round of US and retaliatory tariffs, the City has paid $1.2 million in direct costs and $5.7 million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3485.6475, "end": 3490.0875000000005, "text": "Is currently under review andor negotiations with our suppliers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3491.1875, "end": 3496.3675000000003, "text": "We have managed this with our continuous collaboration with our suppliers and our business units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3497.3675000000003, "end": 3502.7475000000004, "text": "And when there are tariff costs or risks presented to us," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3503.2875000000004, "end": 3506.9675, "text": "we have asked our suppliers to demonstrate the detailed breakdown" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3507.1475, "end": 3511.3475000000003, "text": "of their quotes to highlight the true impact on our contracts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3511.9875, "end": 3519.1475, "text": "We take our responsibility to protect the public funds seriously and analyze all the impacted contracts line by line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3519.7475000000004, "end": 3525.3475000000003, "text": "We'll share more details on our mitigation strategies in the next couple of slides. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3528.2875000000004, "end": 3539.8475000000003, "text": "We work closely with our procurement service procuring services, that's our business units, to identify the potential impact to our major projects. Again, I will emphasize that these estimates," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3540.9675, "end": 3544.7475000000004, "text": "these are only estimates and only without any mitigation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3546.2075000000004, "end": 3550.5875000000005, "text": "Every project needs to be looked at case by case as tariff risks arise." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3551.4875, "end": 3553.0875000000005, "text": "The charges aren't real" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3553.5275, "end": 3559.4475, "text": "until we physically receive the impacted material as the project progresses and we pay for it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3560.3275000000003, "end": 3567.7475000000004, "text": "Just because this is shown as an estimate, it doesn't mean we assume to pay this on our contracts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3568.2275, "end": 3575.1475, "text": "We are doing our due diligence to mitigate and combing through every contract to validate every flagged tariff cost." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3576.5275, "end": 3577.9875, "text": "Now going to the projects." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3578.7675, "end": 3587.7675, "text": "The Bears Pa South Feeder Main, there is low overall tariff risk. 93% of the pipe and material has arrived for stage A," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3587.9275000000002, "end": 3591.8675000000003, "text": "and the remaining 7% coming from both US and Mexico." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3592.6275000000005, "end": 3595.6275000000005, "text": "For stage B, 85% of the material has been delivered," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3596.2275, "end": 3599.0475, "text": "and the remaining 15% is coming from Mexico." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3600.9475, "end": 3605.6075, "text": "On the other water projects that includes North Calgary water services," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3606.5075, "end": 3608.9475, "text": "the city took intentional efforts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3609.1275000000005, "end": 3617.9675, "text": "In sourcing the pipe for this project with tariffs in mind, we're happy to note that it has been sourced from Mexico," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3618.2275, "end": 3620.7075000000004, "text": "removing the tariff risk entirely." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3622.6875, "end": 3630.3875000000003, "text": "There are a significant number of projects underway. All the teams are working together to manage any tariff risks on all other water projects." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3631.3075, "end": 3632.5275, "text": "Now on the Green Line," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3632.8075, "end": 3635.7075000000004, "text": "our LRV vehicles are not sourced from US," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3635.9875, "end": 3638.8475000000003, "text": "so they are not subjected to any new tariffs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3639.7475000000004, "end": 3645.7275, "text": "Major work is still ahead of the Green Line, and the team is focused on reducing risk wherever possible." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3646.5475, "end": 3647.6875, "text": "On the event center," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3648.6475, "end": 3650.7275, "text": "the construction on the project is advanced," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3651.5675, "end": 3654.5075, "text": "so the greatest tariff risk of steel is behind us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3655.8875000000003, "end": 3659.6675000000005, "text": "Team continues to actively work on reducing the tariff risk on remaining work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3660.5475, "end": 3665.8275000000003, "text": "On transit, majority of the previous tariff risk was tied to steel and aluminum" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3666.9675, "end": 3668.6675000000005, "text": "that's going into those vehicles." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3669.2275, "end": 3675.9275000000002, "text": "As I mentioned earlier, Canada has introduced the direct retaliatory tariffs applicable to the C trains," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3676.6075, "end": 3678.2075000000004, "text": "which will increase the cost." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3678.7275, "end": 3687.4675, "text": "By 25% when they are delivered, assuming the tariff will be still in place and depending on when we are getting those deliveries." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3688.3675000000003, "end": 3691.6875, "text": "On fire and apparatus, with the fire apparatus, we have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3692.7475000000004, "end": 3696.6275000000005, "text": "Canadian supplier. However, the vehicles are manufactured in the US." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3697.1275000000005, "end": 3703.9875, "text": "We will leverage any and all federal rebate programs currently in place or they will be coming very soon." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3705.5075, "end": 3711.7675, "text": "The protective garments is another area where new retaliatory tariffs of 50% have been imposed by Canada." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3712.7675, "end": 3716.0875000000005, "text": "I will hand our next slide to Chase Smith," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3716.6875, "end": 3721.1675000000005, "text": "Manager of Procurement Transformation, to share our supply chain resiliency program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3722.2075000000004, "end": 3722.9275000000002, "text": "Thank you, Amit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3723.6275000000005, "end": 3741.3875000000003, "text": "These estimates and projections come from our supply chain resilience program, which was activated long before tariffs began. As was previously said, the city has faced continuous challenges in recent years from commodity price swings, geopolitical events, and labor disruptions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3742.1275000000005, "end": 3748.7475000000004, "text": "We are experienced in finding creative solutions to help mitigate these risks and protect city service delivery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3749.5475, "end": 3757.0875000000005, "text": "With the volume of procurement that occurs at the city every single day, we use several sourcing strategies, some of which are included here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3757.9875, "end": 3764.5075, "text": "Awarding contracts to multiple suppliers increases both diversity and resilience within our supply chain." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3765.0675, "end": 3776.8675000000003, "text": "For example, we look for both primary and alternate suppliers for water and wastewater treatment chemicals. We explore alternate logistics routes that avoid any cross border impacts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3777.1675000000005, "end": 3783.2675, "text": "We look at purchasing and receiving materials early or delaying, if possible, to avoid any tariffs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3784.1475, "end": 3790.5075, "text": "We have reviewed and updated our contract terms and conditions alongside our suppliers to help balance risk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3791.3075, "end": 3803.3475000000003, "text": "We evaluate all products and specifications to determine are there local alternatives that can be used. And we're introducing new evaluation criteria that factor in tariff risk in determining a contract." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3804.7875000000004, "end": 3817.1875, "text": "We also use real time data modeling through our supply chain risk scenario dashboard, which was developed in house to show our contract exposure to such scenarios as escalating tariffs or the Iran war." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3818.0875000000005, "end": 3834.3075, "text": "The city's bringing together of current and past procurement spends, geographic information, market intelligence, and scenario modeling has given us effective, data driven insights to allow us to pivot and adjust our procurement strategies as and when needed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3835.0275, "end": 3835.9675000000007, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3837.3675000000003, "end": 3843.1475, "text": "To close, we ask the committee to receive this update for the corporate record, and we look forward to answering your questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3846.6675000000005, "end": 3851.7075000000004, "text": "Alright, uh just a warning committee. We have about 10 minutes. Uh Deputy Mayor Ward, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3852.1075, "end": 3860.6875, "text": "Yes. Um specifically with the fire engines, those come from the US. Those are due to the retaliatory tariffs put on by Canada, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3860.7275, "end": 3861.5875000000005, "text": "That is correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3861.5875000000005, "end": 3862.8875, "text": "And what is the percentage?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3863.1875, "end": 3865.2875000000004, "text": "So let me maybe explain that. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3866.0875000000005, "end": 3877.1675000000005, "text": "in this particular case, this is compounding effect. There are times when the raw material also goes from Canada to the US that has a tariff to start with. In addition, the new" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3877.6675000000005, "end": 3889.3275000000003, "text": "Tariffs that's 25% has been applied by the retaliatory tariffs when we bring that finished product back to Canada. So it's compounded effect, not exactly just trade on 25%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3889.8475, "end": 3893.8875, "text": "Beautiful. So the retaliatory tariffs are 25%, is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3893.9475, "end": 3894.6075, "text": "That is correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3894.8875, "end": 3895.3075, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3896.1875, "end": 3902.8275000000003, "text": "I would just advise our council that maybe before you proclaim retaliatory tariffs to be a good idea," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3903.1875, "end": 3906.8275000000003, "text": "we just increase the cost of our fire trucks by 25%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3907.4075000000003, "end": 3908.9875, "text": "Just saying. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3910.3475, "end": 3911.4075000000003, "text": "All right, Councilor Yule, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 3912.0875000000005, "end": 3915.6675000000005, "text": "Just looking at slide six. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 3916.2675, "end": 3927.6475, "text": "we've got a few projects on this list that are with shared partners. Uh is that number our contribution or is it the project in as a whole?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3928.3075, "end": 3937.6875, "text": "So at this point, this is exposure to the project, right? So it's not by our contribution or theirs. This is total cost of the project that's what's exposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 3938.0275, "end": 3949.5275, "text": "And for the, like say the advanced center and the green line, um would that exposure be shared, or would is that on the responsibility of the city as part of our contribution to those projects?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3949.9675000000007, "end": 3965.1675000000005, "text": "I think we have to look at it case by case at what point it comes through. As I said earlier, these are the exposures. We do have existing contracts, although when the exposure comes in and when they become real, we really have to look at case by case. I wish there was a single answer to it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 3965.2875000000004, "end": 3965.5475000000006, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3965.7075000000004, "end": 3967.5275, "text": "But it needs to be looked at project based." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 3967.8075, "end": 3970.2075000000004, "text": "Okay. And just maybe I just want to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 3970.6475, "end": 3980.2275, "text": "you you mentioned something about um C train um procurement. Now is that on the old trains or is that on the new trains?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3981.1675000000005, "end": 3983.7275, "text": "These are the trends that are on order currently." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 3984.2875000000004, "end": 4013.3875, "text": "And again, very similar as I was explaining to Councillor Walt's question as well, that there is a compounding effect on it. So those trains use a lot of steel and aluminum. About over 60% of aluminum that gets used by US for industrial use is actually exported from Canada that has tariff on it. Now that finished product has additional on it. So it's not exactly a straight number of here's the percent on it. As we stand today, the retaliatory tariff on those seat trains is 25%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 4013.7475000000004, "end": 4014.0875000000005, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 4014.3875, "end": 4015.3275000000003, "text": "All right, that's it. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 4016.5275, "end": 4018.4875, "text": "All right, uh Councilor Panasopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4018.8075, "end": 4022.6475, "text": "Thanks so much uh for that presentation. You said existing contracts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4022.8475, "end": 4028.9475, "text": "We've talked publicly about uh potentially a capital budget up to five billion dollars for ten years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4029.6475, "end": 4033.4475, "text": "Maybe just speak a bit about that. If these continue beyond today," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4034.9875, "end": 4035.6675000000005, "text": "that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4036.1875, "end": 4040.2675, "text": "315 to 466, what sort of quantum should we be thinking about?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 4041.4875, "end": 4052.5475000000006, "text": "Okay, that's uh a loaded question. So uh really on our existing contract, that's $5.3 billion, is what's expo uh really analyzed through this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 4052.9675000000007, "end": 4062.3475, "text": "Uh and as I said, this number is probably a week old. Uh that's analyzed. We did execute contracts within the week and we'll continue through that. Some of these contracts will fall through." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 4063.0875000000005, "end": 4088.9475, "text": "This will really come down to how effectively we use our mitigation strategies when we are buying the future products and when the suppliers are asking us what that looks like. The range is really wide, 6 to 9% of our existing contracts is where it comes down to. And we are confident that we are experienced on how to mitigate this. We have shown that in past mitigation strategies as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 4089.5675, "end": 4106.6875, "text": "The difference this time though is some of those countertariffs are very clearly stated out. It's not just commodity-based, it's also product-based, such as copper wires or C trains and percentages. So our existing really comes down to the range of 315 to 466." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4108.4075, "end": 4115.4875, "text": "Councillor Ward asked at 25%, and it seems to be a tit for tat situation. It could be 50% as we leave these chambers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4115.7875, "end": 4123.4075, "text": "If is it is it as simple as that? If we're talking to our tariffs go to 50%, think about the number being double 466. How how should we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4124.2075, "end": 4125.547500000001, "text": "think about those numbers?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 4127.087500000001, "end": 4142.2075, "text": "It really depends on what's the mitigation strategies. And I'll give it to some of the examples, right? We talked about example of some of the big projects, especially green lines or transit or so on. So we are actually have a lot of procurements coming our way in the near future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 4142.8275, "end": 4175.0275, "text": "We have the mitigation strategies put into place as Manager Smith here actually explained about uh putting the risk as evaluation. Do I want to pay additional 25%, 50% tariff, or do I put risk as an evaluation whether I could potentially just afford to have additional million dollars going to it? I there is no definite answer. I could say that it's going ahead more than this or less than this. We really have to look at the point of time and have to keep coming back at hey, here's the existing contract base, and here's our exposure, and here's the mitigation that looks like." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4175.3475, "end": 4184.9275, "text": "Then maybe finally slide five. Wonderful to see 60%, 70%, 95%. But that's not dollar value. Is that a fair? We may have a Canadian supplier that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4185.467500000001, "end": 4192.6475, "text": "sources international and US assets, like the 95% of not our budget. If you could quantify of the dollar value" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4193.3275, "end": 4199.2275, "text": "what is truly exposed, it's 60% Calgary suppliers, but are they buying 100% US products?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4199.8275, "end": 4204.6675000000005, "text": "Maybe just that process. Again, how we're thinking about what's here. If this goes on for years, months, days." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 4205.2675, "end": 4208.7475, "text": "So our exposure of 315 to 466 million does consider." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4208.9075, "end": 4209.587500000001, "text": "Sorry, what was that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 4210.1075, "end": 4241.4075, "text": "So our exposure of 315 million to 466 million dollars, that does consider level two and three supply chains. So we look at where our suppliers are getting their material as well. We could potentially say as an example, and there are a lot of assumptions such as how much is the content of everything and whatnot. But where it comes down to we could be getting fabricated items from Edmonton, but they could be bringing I beams from US. So it does look at those I beams as a classic example of going to level twos and threes to look at what the exposure looks like." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4242.087500000001, "end": 4256.8675, "text": "Just maybe in six. Just I think Councillor Yule said it. These costs, they're 100% borne by the city of Calgary, slide six, 1 million 2131. I know, for example, the green line, any cost overrun, we are 100% on the hook. Event center as well, transit obviously, fire, these are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4257.3875, "end": 4258.9875, "text": "net to the city of Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 4259.1475, "end": 4259.7475, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4259.7475, "end": 4260.2475, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 4260.2475, "end": 4260.7675, "text": "Project cost." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 4261.7075, "end": 4269.9875, "text": "Sorry, those are the project costs. So if the project is shared between multiple parties, we haven't really got to that, but it's more exposure to the project." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4270.4475, "end": 4273.7075, "text": "then uh has a governments they they've been given" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4274.1875, "end": 4274.9875, "text": "certain" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4275.2075, "end": 4277.5675, "text": "businesses relief. There is projects where" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4277.9875, "end": 4286.6675000000005, "text": "The tariff comes in governments have. Is there anything proposed for municipalities uh w tip the because we're the tip of the spear for these expenditures, is there anything there" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4287.2275, "end": 4288.7675, "text": "that you've heard through your chain?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 4288.8475, "end": 4313.2475, "text": "Yes, so specifically around fire equipment today as fire trucks, there is a relief program that exists today. Although it has limitations on their other promise that up to this many much dollars till it lasts, it will be in progress. So we can't necessarily just guarantee that it exists and will be applicable to it. We have heard from the sources and while talking to the industry, there are more" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 4313.6275000000005, "end": 4319.007500000001, "text": "programs that are relief programs coming, not specifically just towards municipalities, but in general." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4319.4475, "end": 4320.6475, "text": "Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 4324.007500000001, "end": 4328.547500000001, "text": "All right, colleagues. Uh if there's no objection, I'm gonna bang the gavel now and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 4328.8875, "end": 4336.3475, "text": "Uh recess to the call of the chair. Let's attempt for 1 30 to be back. The program itself doesn't end until just after 1 o'clock." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 4337.4475, "end": 4340.3075, "text": "Seeing no objection, we will be back at 1 30 at committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 11875.656750000002, "end": 11879.616750000001, "text": "Welcome back to Executive Committee of Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the room." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11880.116750000001, "end": 11882.556750000002, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11883.83675, "end": 11884.616750000001, "text": "Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11885.116750000001, "end": 11886.316750000002, "text": "Councillor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11886.816750000002, "end": 11887.696750000001, "text": "Councillor Chabot," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 11887.876750000001, "end": 11888.116750000001, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11888.25675, "end": 11889.09675, "text": "Councillor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11889.67675, "end": 11890.656750000002, "text": "Counselor Dollywall," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11891.216750000001, "end": 11892.216750000001, "text": "Counselor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 11892.51675, "end": 11892.876750000001, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11892.93675, "end": 11893.89675, "text": "Counselor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11894.476750000002, "end": 11895.316750000002, "text": "Councillor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 11895.496750000002, "end": 11895.796750000001, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11895.996750000002, "end": 11896.876750000001, "text": "Counselor McLean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 11897.43675, "end": 11897.816750000002, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11898.056750000002, "end": 11900.41675, "text": "Councilor Pantazopoulos, Councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11900.83675, "end": 11902.056750000002, "text": "Counselor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11902.296750000001, "end": 11903.35675, "text": "Councillor Ward" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11903.67675, "end": 11904.83675, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 11904.956750000001, "end": 11905.25675, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11905.316750000002, "end": 11905.89675, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 11906.496750000002, "end": 11910.816750000002, "text": "All right, we're still on the tariff item. I believe Counselor Wynus was next in the queue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 11913.136750000001, "end": 11915.056750000002, "text": "I'll go to Councilor Atkinson. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 11916.09675, "end": 11917.73675, "text": "Counselor Atkinson, then Wynus." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 11918.156750000002, "end": 11918.83675, "text": "Go ahead, Counselor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11921.23675, "end": 11931.656750000002, "text": "Um yeah, just looking at the like percentages here, it seems like I think you've you've done quite a bit of work to insulate the infrastructure sort of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11932.376750000001, "end": 11937.83675, "text": "um costs from from these tariffs, but it seems like fleet" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11938.196750000001, "end": 11953.17675, "text": "specifically change like um whether it's buses, fire trucks, whatever, is not as insulated. I'm just I know we are where we are, but I'm uh it's about thinking forward. How can we get maybe the same sort of levels of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 11953.876750000001, "end": 11964.89675, "text": "minimized impact on the fleet side of things as you've been able to to uh attain sort of for the other infrastructure projects, the pipes and and uh and what have you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 11965.89675, "end": 11971.956750000001, "text": "Yeah, to answer the fleet question, some of these contracts are really long term contracts are already in place." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 11972.35675, "end": 12014.956750000001, "text": "The the exposure that we are seeing today, those parts or those equipments have been already years back, right? The fire equipment sometimes has up to four years of cycle times. The train could be around the same time, even more or less, depends on how we take the deliveries. Some of the strategies that we could look at potentially is is there a delay that could be done? And it's not simple to go out to the market to replace the train maker to somebody else. We have to respect our existing contract and then look at our future, whether we want to go out to the market, respec everything we have, and it will take time. And some of these we can't avoid because we really need those equipment. So that's why it's very difficult to insulate them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 12015.976750000002, "end": 12027.136750000001, "text": "In past, most of those tariffs were very much around commodities, steel, copper, aluminum, that type of tariffs. This time around, it's more specific to those equipments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 12027.156750000002, "end": 12027.75675, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 12028.09675, "end": 12074.496750000002, "text": "But is and and maybe this I I I'm just like looking at the percentages on each of these line items, and it seems like, you know, based on the level of s of expense of say the feeder main replacement or other water projects or these kinds of pieces, like the potential tariff impacts as a percentage of that overall is quite minimized compared to our exposure when it comes to fleet. And I guess it's like we are where we are. Uh, you know, I think we need the buses, I think we need the fire trucks, we we we need should be proceeding forward. I'm just wondering for the future if there are ways we can bring some of that uh minimized exposure to our procurement processes on fleet, which seems to be a high." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 12075.01675, "end": 12077.59675, "text": "High risk area in terms of procurement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 12077.876750000001, "end": 12111.696750000001, "text": "Uh it is certainly a high risk area. I'm gonna assure you that existing contracts that we have, especially especially around the buses on transit, with working with OS team here, we actually already have mitigated part of it. Our existing supplier is Canadian supplier, including the e bus one. But the reality of supply chain is uh the supply chain for this type of products are very integrated. There is a lot of back and forth that happens before the final assemblies they're made in Canada or otherwise. So the exposure still exists. The mitigation strategies are already in place and we continue to evolve them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12112.216750000001, "end": 12112.636750000001, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12112.89675, "end": 12113.75675, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12116.39675, "end": 12117.57675, "text": "All right, Councilor Wynus, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12119.556750000002, "end": 12125.93675, "text": "Thanks. Is it possible to get a breakdown of US tariffs, uh counter tariffs? Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 12128.296750000001, "end": 12147.716750000001, "text": "Yeah, so generally speaking, and I'll ask uh Manager Smith here to add, but our majority of the impact is from the counter tariffs. The US tariff really goes towards that inflationary type increases because we really import everything. We really don't have anything to export on, which is what US tariff is really dependent on. Where it really" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 12148.476750000002, "end": 12161.976750000002, "text": "becomes a little convoluted when there is a compounded impact, right? And it's very difficult to separate the compounded impact because we don't really see the raw materials tariff that's already been paid while it's coming back. We see the higher increases though." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12162.17675, "end": 12163.93675, "text": "But my point of uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12164.73675, "end": 12169.07675, "text": "if there's inputs that are requiring cross-border trading, if you have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12169.39675, "end": 12174.796750000001, "text": "this project was impacted by US tariffs of Canadian goods crossing the border, which leads to an inflationary price," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12175.216750000001, "end": 12179.156750000002, "text": "and then therefore the tariff of crossing into Canada with the retaliatory tariff, it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12179.41675, "end": 12184.67675, "text": "it showcases a better store uh narrative to Galgarians of what we're actually paying here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 12184.77675, "end": 12185.116750000001, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 12185.456750000001, "end": 12189.616750000001, "text": "We will be tracking those increases, and I'll just ask Manager Smith to add if." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 12190.01675, "end": 12224.43675, "text": "Yeah, so when we do the modeling based on the US alone, as Amit has mentioned, it generally looks like inflationary rates kind of that between one and three percent when we apply the US tariffs. What you're seeing so differently this time is those direct Canadian retaliatory tariffs. So they do make up the difference. So if you're looking at the percentage when we're talking between six to nine percent, essentially double, if not a little bit more, is the Canadian impact versus the US impact. So we can look at that on a case by case basis to really fine tune it out. But when you do your kind of programmatic modeling, that's how we've looked at things. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12224.43675, "end": 12229.91675, "text": "Well, it'd be nice to showcase it for say the green line, because we're currently in our own little" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12230.23675, "end": 12233.996750000002, "text": "Battle with the feds and the province on who's funding what," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12234.41675, "end": 12238.796750000001, "text": "and if their policies are jacking up what we ultimately have to pay at the end of the day," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12239.25675, "end": 12243.91675, "text": "the clarity of showcasing their decision making and the impact on our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12244.07675, "end": 12247.41675, "text": "mega projects really does need to have clarity in presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12247.83675, "end": 12249.876750000001, "text": "And I think to a lot of people they're gonna see" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12250.156750000002, "end": 12253.376750000001, "text": "potential tariff impact and be like, oh, that's the US, not Canada." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12253.876750000001, "end": 12254.816750000002, "text": "And and so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12254.996750000002, "end": 12257.75675, "text": "I'd like to have clarity of communication in when" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12257.956750000001, "end": 12259.67675, "text": "When we're starting to talk about tariff impacts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12260.216750000001, "end": 12264.156750000002, "text": "I think for me it's been frustrating because last council we said" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12264.51675, "end": 12265.17675, "text": "we got it," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12265.496750000002, "end": 12269.136750000001, "text": "the tariffs aren't impacting our projects, our mega projects, and I'm thinking BS." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12269.456750000001, "end": 12270.41675, "text": "Uh, because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12270.876750000001, "end": 12272.616750000001, "text": "we have an unpredictable leader." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12273.17675, "end": 12278.616750000001, "text": "And so now we were at 50% compared to when the first presentation of tariffs were coming to council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12279.07675, "end": 12280.39675, "text": "Uh so I would like to see a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12280.696750000001, "end": 12281.93675, "text": "bit better breakdown on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12282.27675, "end": 12285.316750000002, "text": "those impacts to council because again, ultimately it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12285.57675, "end": 12290.136750000001, "text": "to Calgarians to highlight and to our advocacy to our others or to go orders of government" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12290.556750000002, "end": 12292.116750000001, "text": "on these mega projects that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12292.656750000002, "end": 12294.796750000001, "text": "like you don't even have policing and I know" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12295.316750000002, "end": 12297.39675, "text": "there's gonna be a an impact on that budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12297.616750000001, "end": 12298.656750000002, "text": "And I think your" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12298.956750000001, "end": 12300.59675, "text": "your numbers are probably gonna be a bit short" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12300.93675, "end": 12301.85675, "text": "when you start looking" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12302.156750000002, "end": 12303.476750000002, "text": "at our other impacts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12304.33675, "end": 12304.696750000001, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12304.83675, "end": 12305.17675, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12305.35675, "end": 12305.636750000001, "text": "yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12305.77675, "end": 12310.816750000002, "text": "And I see someone has is a hand up on Teams, but I don't know if they have to an answer to me or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12314.17675, "end": 12316.27675, "text": "Uh Councillor Shabot is next in the queue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12316.41675, "end": 12317.796750000001, "text": "oh that's why there's a hand. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12318.09675, "end": 12320.696750000001, "text": "Um yeah but just please get that back to council. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12321.43675, "end": 12322.536750000001, "text": "Councilor Shabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12325.07675, "end": 12325.85675, "text": "Yeah, no, I um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12326.496750000002, "end": 12329.216750000001, "text": "found these this chart in interesting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12329.616750000001, "end": 12330.116750000001, "text": "It's like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12331.376750000001, "end": 12333.996750000002, "text": "178 million," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12334.25675, "end": 12337.476750000002, "text": "and but the previous numbers were significantly larger." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12338.216750000001, "end": 12338.696750000001, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12338.91675, "end": 12343.39675, "text": "why am I only seeing 178 identified? What's where's the rest?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 12343.996750000002, "end": 12359.876750000001, "text": "Yeah, so we chose the key projects to represent here, where they are more like on the bigger size and everything else. So all other increases really that are estimated are embedded on all other purchases as well. Here we are really have taken the snapshot of the big projects that we could represent on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12360.17675, "end": 12364.476750000002, "text": "Um what one that I find interesting is the Green Line specifically," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12364.616750000001, "end": 12371.816750000002, "text": "because my understanding from previous discussions of the Green Line team is they had pretty much risk mitigated everything and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12372.116750000001, "end": 12377.036750000001, "text": "including potential impacts of tariffs. So in here now I see 31 million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12377.43675, "end": 12380.83675, "text": "Outside of that. So wh why is that disparity?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 12381.976750000002, "end": 12418.41675, "text": "So the existing exposure does remain as $31 million. Do we do have contracts that mitigate a lot of risk? The reality, as I said earlier, on the fabrication is a classic example of it. If the parts are coming from US or some of them are coming from that area, those are the ones that are identified and the exposure towards that basically. Can we mitigate this? Yes, we can mitigate it and we'll continue working on those. Some of the good parts about the green line contracts are they are really based on some of the indices when it comes down to those increases, when it comes to any increases rather than not just tariff. But that doesn't really leave us as" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 12418.996750000002, "end": 12429.136750000001, "text": "The subcontractors adding additional cost to the general contractors coming to us. And that's the exposure that we are looking at is potential of having some of those parts coming through US." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12429.17675, "end": 12429.976750000002, "text": "Okay. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12431.07675, "end": 12442.556750000002, "text": "it to me this looks like um we're looking at the worst case scenario crystal ball here. Is that what I can surmise from all of these then? If that's basically what I see here on Green Line?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 12443.51675, "end": 12466.696750000001, "text": "Not exactly the completely worst-case scenario here, but it's more on educated understanding of what this contract makes of. And I'll take an example of fabrication. Again, our existing supplier is Canadian suppliers, but we do know some of those steel pieces, specifically around I beams and some other items, could come from US. And that's really what exposed other increases that exposure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12467.156750000002, "end": 12471.23675, "text": "Yeah. Anyways, this looks very much like doom and gloom when it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12471.616750000001, "end": 12472.536750000001, "text": "potential." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12472.83675, "end": 12475.39675, "text": "There's a risk of I mean, it doesn't paint" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12475.976750000002, "end": 12478.83675, "text": "a very accurate picture from my perspective. It's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12481.656750000002, "end": 12481.93675, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12482.156750000002, "end": 12484.656750000002, "text": "Anyways, I guess uh it's probably better to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12485.01675, "end": 12486.91675, "text": "plan for the worst and hope for the best." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 12489.136750000001, "end": 12490.296750000001, "text": "Yeah, no further questions for me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12490.536750000001, "end": 12494.93675, "text": "Thank you. Uh back to Councillor Shab uh Thank you, Councilor Shabot, back to Councillor Wynus." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12494.93675, "end": 12496.556750000002, "text": "Thanks. Sorry, um, I kind of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12496.83675, "end": 12497.556750000002, "text": "two more questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12497.83675, "end": 12501.056750000002, "text": "Uh when will council get to see more of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12501.43675, "end": 12502.25675, "text": "the impact of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12502.43675, "end": 12508.156750000002, "text": "what's currently playing out on our budget plan so council can reprioritize and refocus? Because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12509.216750000001, "end": 12509.59675, "text": "if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12509.85675, "end": 12511.57675, "text": "what we were talking about was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12512.376750000001, "end": 12515.116750000001, "text": "it's already been leaked, so I can say it now, 20 plus percent," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12515.536750000001, "end": 12515.91675, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12516.156750000002, "end": 12518.85675, "text": "council's gonna have to make some difficult decisions" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12519.156750000002, "end": 12524.056750000002, "text": "to allow this organization to actually execute. We can't have our cake and eat it too." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12524.33675, "end": 12526.536750000001, "text": "Because now it's coming with a premium." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12528.536750000001, "end": 12532.27675, "text": "I think council probably needs a a fresh look at what we've agreed to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12533.216750000001, "end": 12536.73675, "text": "and the envelope funding we've put you in. Because I know we had our ranking sheets, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12537.556750000002, "end": 12541.43675, "text": "tariffs on that could could potentially change a ranking outcome for counselors." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12541.93675, "end": 12552.376750000001, "text": "Council Councilor Wynus, if if I may just jump in briefly. I know there was commentary earlier today at the special meeting about various leaks and an inconsistent approach to addressing them. My understanding is under the Municipal Government Act," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12553.01675, "end": 12559.77675, "text": "closed session discussions remain closed until uh council resolution to lift that to the effect. So again, uh you can speak about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12560.27675, "end": 12561.876750000001, "text": "what's been reported, but uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12562.41675, "end": 12562.656750000002, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12562.656750000002, "end": 12568.17675, "text": "So I did, and now I'm asking for something to become public on a process for council to determine what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12568.43675, "end": 12568.75675, "text": "thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12568.75675, "end": 12569.476750000002, "text": "is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12569.476750000002, "end": 12574.23675, "text": "My my point here is that it it's it's important for us to have crystal clear information for the public. Even" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12574.456750000001, "end": 12578.476750000002, "text": "what was reported does not suggest that council is proposing a 20% tax increase." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12578.976750000002, "end": 12589.716750000001, "text": "Right, that was an unrestricted look, and that was an unrestricted look prior to tariffs, so it's gonna look a little uglier now with what tariffs are doing, and that's the point I want to try and understand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12589.716750000001, "end": 12592.35675, "text": "Thank you for letting me interject. Over to administration, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 12593.09675, "end": 12601.316750000002, "text": "So in terms of the tariffs that we see uh in the presentation, just uh a couple points to highlight uh before I answer the question. What we're seeing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 12601.93675, "end": 12667.57675, "text": "On this slide and the one previously with the total is really what does the the current tariff scenario look like prior to us putting in place um some of the mitigation strategies? And some of those mitigation strategies are uh weigh heavily on time and duration. So the more time we have before we execute on a contract or execute on uh on some of the capital builds, the more latitude we have for some of these mitigation strategies. And so when we look at um some of the things that we have before us um on these two slides, this is everything that we have under existing contracts. So that may or may not be occurring at this year, the next year, or even the year after. So that allows us to have that latitude. In terms of what we'll be bringing back when we update the budget documents, based on what we see potentially occurring in each of the years going forward, um, relative to the mitigations that we think we can put in place, to the extent that that's material, we would add that into the budget documents as we move forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12667.83675, "end": 12669.73675, "text": "Okay. And then uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12670.556750000002, "end": 12676.89675, "text": "have we held off on receiving any shipments because of tariffs for business units or fleet?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 12678.93675, "end": 12692.956750000001, "text": "So one of the strategies, and I'll do this at a high level and they can provide more detail, is looking at the timing of when we take certain products in terms of when we receive it, when it's um ordered, et cetera. Because um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 12693.476750000002, "end": 12722.616750000001, "text": "The tariffs aren't based on new contracts, so they're based on point of delivery by day. So if they were to be the reverse, any new contract that you uh enter into, that would give you more runway to determine how to receive it, when to receive it. So for some of the products and some of the items that we're looking at, that is a factor we're looking at, but I'm not specifically close enough to know if we've done that. But that's one of the mitigation strategies is timing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12722.73675, "end": 12733.27675, "text": "Will council get a presentation on what's being held up because of the tariffs and we not not wanting to receive delivery, have it cross the border to be able to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12734.83675, "end": 12736.376750000001, "text": "execute on council direction?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 12736.89675, "end": 12771.556750000002, "text": "All I'm going to say right now is we're really looking at those strategies. In fact, actually, we're meeting with some of the operational services part to identify if we could potentially delay some of those products coming over. But even those come with a cost at times, right? There's a finished product sitting with the supplier is not necessary in their best interest and or contractually potentially not possible. So it needs to be looked at case by case. We are currently looking at it, and as one of the mitigation strategies was expediting as well as delaying as well, is part of part of the mitigation that we're looking at." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12772.33675, "end": 12779.93675, "text": "Okay, but but what's the risk of service impact? So say I have buses sitting in the United States that aren't shipping across Canada. I have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12780.17675, "end": 12786.696750000001, "text": "constituents and I'm meeting with them on weekends demanding more buses because there's a massive safety risk to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12786.976750000002, "end": 12790.73675, "text": "students getting to school because buses are not the appropriate size." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 12791.556750000002, "end": 12810.216750000001, "text": "So the conversation that was mentioned is not done in isolation. That's done also considering the service impact and understanding what would the impacts be on tariffs, what would the impacts be on additional costs, and what would that mean to frontline service. And so all of those would be in a conversation for consideration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12810.25675, "end": 12811.43675, "text": "Okay, and then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12811.73675, "end": 12819.316750000002, "text": "here's a fun one. Was there an opportunity for us to ship those completed projects prior to the implementation of the tariffs?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12819.696750000001, "end": 12823.316750000002, "text": "Could we have fast tracked it so we could received it say last week rather than" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12823.75675, "end": 12824.616750000001, "text": "after tariffs?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 12826.156750000002, "end": 12829.75675, "text": "To answer it rather briefly. We did try to experiment a few" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 12830.156750000002, "end": 12836.496750000002, "text": "ahead of it and it just wasn't physically possible at that time to get it done at the time. So it didn't happen by the eighth rather today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12837.036750000001, "end": 12837.296750000001, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 12837.716750000001, "end": 12838.67675, "text": "All right. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12839.876750000001, "end": 12841.716750000001, "text": "All right. Uh is there a mover for this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12846.89675, "end": 12847.89675, "text": "Uh Councilor Yule, go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 12850.75675, "end": 12855.376750000001, "text": "Yeah, uh I just want to thank you for uh the presentation. I know uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 12856.656750000002, "end": 12857.83675, "text": "as somebody who" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 12858.73675, "end": 12861.17675, "text": "before being a counselor had to deal with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 12862.216750000001, "end": 12869.01675, "text": "tariff uh dances in the past, I know how difficult this can be uh and and they come up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 12869.656750000002, "end": 12875.57675, "text": "out of the blue sometimes and so uh I appreciate the this this report so quickly on the heels of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 12875.876750000001, "end": 12877.57675, "text": "so many announcements that come out" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 12878.01675, "end": 12880.056750000002, "text": "over the last little bit. So thank you for this and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 12880.496750000002, "end": 12884.25675, "text": "um really good information as we go into our our budget" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 12884.51675, "end": 12885.75675, "text": "deliberations. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 12886.89675, "end": 12890.656750000002, "text": "It's on the floor from Council Yule. Over to Councilor Pantozopoulos for an amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 12891.036750000001, "end": 12893.39675, "text": "Uh just uh clerks if you can bring up something." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 12894.01675, "end": 12922.93675, "text": "This presentation was was eye-opening. I think I held Councillor Chabot's thoughts as uh nothing to see here. You know, the tariffs were not immaterial but fairly immaterial. We've mitigated, I remember a number, 99%, etc. And when you're facing down 400 million and that was at 25 percent, you add 50 percent potentially, and and who knows. I think the reality is there's a war, and the city of Calgary and municipalities are caught in the crossfire, to be clear. The expenditures that slide five, excuse me, slide six shows police, fire, infrastructure, they are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 12923.17675, "end": 12925.136750000001, "text": "essential. We can't say no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 12925.456750000001, "end": 12939.296750000001, "text": "Uh we just had a very moving memorial outside in recognition of fallen uh firefighters, and the number one ask from the chief and and his colleagues were safety, make us safe in all its forms, and I see expenditures that are not." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 12940.296750000001, "end": 12942.216750000001, "text": "Uh discretionary, they are essential." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 12942.73675, "end": 12957.57675, "text": "And being caught in those crossfires, I think it comes down to help. We are actually in making the infrastructure decisions and investments in the state and our partners, the feds, the province, I think would uh align with us. And I noticed the feds have gone and put together, I think the word is uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 12958.316750000002, "end": 12972.036750000001, "text": "tariff relief, uh created tariff remission for certain things like aluminum vehicles, uh re exported and specialized equipment. And I think what we're just asking here is recognizing this could be short term, long term, and using your comment, Councilor Shabeau. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 12972.476750000002, "end": 13005.35675, "text": "You know, what was that? Expect the worst? No, plan for the worst, expect the best, sort of thing every work out there. This is what we're trying to do is just to get that ball started through the mayor and to understand that this does have an impact to our our bottom line as we go into budget, uh nothing worse than than unknown, um, considering that we're 100% on the hook for green line, 100% on the hook for fire, police, and et cetera. So it's an advocacy work that goes on, and I recognize hopefully this is over soon, and we can get back to the business of running the city. But hopefully you support this and uh look to the mayor for his uh leadership, hopefully for this to his colleagues and uh through the federal government." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13006.476750000002, "end": 13009.316750000002, "text": "All right, that's on the table from uh Councilor Pantozopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13009.616750000001, "end": 13013.216750000001, "text": "Very happy to support this. Thanks for bringing this, uh, Councilor Pantozoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13013.456750000001, "end": 13017.85675, "text": "The gist here is the government has uh rather the federal government has made a commitment that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13018.25675, "end": 13019.156750000002, "text": "if uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13019.67675, "end": 13027.216750000001, "text": "new revenues are incurred that they're going to be favoring uh support for Canadians, uh ideally workers, skills training, diversification. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13027.816750000002, "end": 13029.51675, "text": "I understand that there's still" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13029.93675, "end": 13040.496750000002, "text": "um relatively finite but uh some very narrow equipment that we just don't have the the flexibility to to be able to procure, at least on the timelines that uh re require them. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13041.036750000001, "end": 13046.23675, "text": "I understand in uh initial conversations with the federal government that they're opening or they're they're open to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13046.75675, "end": 13050.43675, "text": "Expanding some of those remission or relief programs to municipalities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13050.816750000002, "end": 13058.01675, "text": "This has the good fortune of a big city mayor's caucus meeting coming up in the coming weeks. We have the opportunity here in Calgary to really" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13058.35675, "end": 13063.216750000001, "text": "lead at the center of a strong and united team Canada to be able to make this ask of the federal government." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13063.536750000001, "end": 13065.89675, "text": "They they're very open to doing so. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13066.17675, "end": 13070.93675, "text": "I'm hoping to have the mandate from Council to be able to represent us as a city in this ask." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13072.17675, "end": 13073.496750000002, "text": "All right, uh, Councillor Chabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13075.67675, "end": 13079.57675, "text": "Yeah, so this is uh replace the other recommendations. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13080.636750000001, "end": 13081.036750000001, "text": "as" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13081.33675, "end": 13084.156750000002, "text": "I guess it should also be and receive for information." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13085.23675, "end": 13088.976750000002, "text": "What was the original motion? Was it just to receive this report for information?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13089.25675, "end": 13089.476750000002, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13090.056750000002, "end": 13094.91675, "text": "Oh good catch actually. It should just be uh an addition, not a deletion. We still want the report. It's good work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13094.91675, "end": 13095.136750000001, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 13095.196750000001, "end": 13097.77675, "text": "Thank you, Counselor. That's absolutely correct. It should be point two. I think." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13097.77675, "end": 13098.616750000001, "text": "Thanks. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13099.056750000002, "end": 13099.796750000001, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13100.116750000001, "end": 13105.43675, "text": "of course, um I also um dealt with uh products coming in from different countries and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13106.156750000002, "end": 13109.316750000002, "text": "Applying tariffs in the past, and uh as I said before," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13110.57675, "end": 13112.536750000001, "text": "it's uh it's probably better to be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13113.036750000001, "end": 13118.156750000002, "text": "um pessimistic in this case and for in so far as our projections" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13118.636750000001, "end": 13119.93675, "text": "uh and um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13120.77675, "end": 13128.716750000001, "text": "make sure that we consider all potential implications, even if they never materialize. I mean, we don't know what's gonna happen. This is a moving target." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13129.036750000001, "end": 13131.816750000002, "text": "It's it's um it's really hard to plan. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13132.036750000001, "end": 13133.43675, "text": "appreciate the op, you know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13133.816750000002, "end": 13141.116750000001, "text": "The fact that administration's ahead get getting ahead of the curve on this, making sure that that we cover all our bases here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13141.796750000001, "end": 13143.23675, "text": "Hopefully" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13143.39675, "end": 13144.35675, "text": "we won't have to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13145.07675, "end": 13145.956750000001, "text": "And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13147.616750000001, "end": 13148.17675, "text": "we uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13148.876750000001, "end": 13151.156750000002, "text": "can hopefully move forward with uh more favorable" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13151.536750000001, "end": 13152.01675, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13152.536750000001, "end": 13154.636750000001, "text": "trade agreements with our with our neighbors and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13155.25675, "end": 13156.496750000002, "text": "and mitigate all of this. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13156.73675, "end": 13160.35675, "text": "I'll I'll support this and I appreciate uh Council Pancelopoulos what you're proposing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13161.036750000001, "end": 13177.696750000001, "text": "And looking at the federal government to assist us with some of the challenges that we're going to face, especially on critical infrastructure, that that we have no say, we have no options. We the contracts are are assigned and uh and applying some of these tariffs after the fact we're s we're left holding the bag. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13178.536750000001, "end": 13179.25675, "text": "hopefully the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13179.536750000001, "end": 13184.216750000001, "text": "federal the federal government will assist us in mitigating some of these challenges and help us with our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13184.796750000001, "end": 13185.136750000001, "text": "with our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13185.636750000001, "end": 13188.136750000001, "text": "capital needs. So thanks. Good proposal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 13188.696750000001, "end": 13189.33675, "text": "Happy to support." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13190.316750000002, "end": 13198.67675, "text": "Thank you. Uh we'll give clerks just a moment to to catch up and make sure that the intent is captured just with the uh the addition of this as a bullet to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13199.316750000002, "end": 13202.93675, "text": "prior existing recommendation. Uh can go to you to close, Council of Lazoples." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 13203.656750000002, "end": 13227.73675, "text": "Well, that's bringing up. Uh thank you, Councillor Shabot. I think you summarized the best plan. I hope this never materializes. I hope the federal government doesn't have to do anything. We just get back to city building, particularly as we face down five billion dollars potentially of spend, fifty billion over ten years, numbers we've said publicly. Um if this extends for a long time, we are gonna have a real challenge to execute on what the Calgaryans are expecting from us. So hopefully we never do, but um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 13228.25675, "end": 13233.316750000002, "text": "I was a scout as a younger man, and it was always be prepared, and this is one of those to be prepared. Thank you. Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13234.09675, "end": 13236.816750000002, "text": "All right, let's engage the vote, please, uh Madam Clerk, on this amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 13265.25675, "end": 13267.116750000001, "text": "Councilor Clark is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 13268.67675, "end": 13270.116750000001, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13270.456750000001, "end": 13270.77675, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 13271.996750000002, "end": 13272.876750000001, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13273.556750000002, "end": 13274.93675, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13280.956750000001, "end": 13283.376750000001, "text": "All right. That motion is carried 14 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13284.496750000002, "end": 13285.496750000002, "text": "I believe uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13285.716750000001, "end": 13292.376750000001, "text": "The main motion as amended is still on the floor. I'll I'll briefly just enter debate. Just want to say kudos to administration for for preparing this work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13292.876750000001, "end": 13296.056750000002, "text": "Again, we wish that we would have more detail, but I I know that you're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13296.556750000002, "end": 13301.816750000002, "text": "frantically looking at the schedules that the federal government is releasing in the time that they are. So it's not as easy" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13302.316750000002, "end": 13305.09675, "text": "as suggesting that we need to be prepared for tariffs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13305.316750000002, "end": 13309.196750000001, "text": "There's very specific equipment uh coding parts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13309.41675, "end": 13315.17675, "text": "It's not as simple as it sounds to simply go to the federal government's website and understand what the impact will be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13315.67675, "end": 13319.156750000002, "text": "Uh the the specific numbers, the the specific uh coding" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13319.616750000001, "end": 13322.716750000001, "text": "that uh was disclosed was relatively last minute, but even then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13323.09675, "end": 13329.156750000002, "text": "uh administration uh produced uh very high level information very quickly for for us as a council over the summer break." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13329.616750000001, "end": 13334.956750000001, "text": "And the fact that this is as robust as it is for this committee meeting, I think really deserves credit. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13335.33675, "end": 13337.456750000001, "text": "uh giant thank you for for your work. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13337.89675, "end": 13340.696750000001, "text": "it's not just uh responding, I I think it also needs" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13341.556750000002, "end": 13341.93675, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13342.41675, "end": 13348.85675, "text": "It needs to be uh repeat r repeated the the work that's been done to date on the event center, on the Bear Spa, South Feeder Maine," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13349.23675, "end": 13354.656750000002, "text": "other major infrastructure projects. We've been extremely active in preparing for this eventuality." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13355.156750000002, "end": 13362.536750000001, "text": "But the uh unfortunate uh side effect of being an admissible government is that there's some very, very extremely specialized equipment. Even" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13362.996750000002, "end": 13367.056750000002, "text": "our fire chief uh Steve Dongworth yesterday alluded to some of the equipment that can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13367.35675, "end": 13375.25675, "text": "that is life saving and absolutely necessary for our people that we can't uh there's just no alternative uh suppliers at this time, and we we must proceed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13375.59675, "end": 13377.93675, "text": "In order to save those lives. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13378.476750000002, "end": 13382.196750000001, "text": "with that, I believe your motion has been amended. Council Yule to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 13383.036750000001, "end": 13391.116750000001, "text": "Yeah I'll just add that you know procurement is all about managing expectations and this report has helped us kind of manage those expectations. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13392.796750000001, "end": 13394.89675, "text": "Alright, Madam Clark, let's engage the Evo, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 13407.196750000001, "end": 13409.976750000002, "text": "Councilor Clark is absent. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13410.07675, "end": 13410.376750000001, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 13412.05675, "end": 13412.89675, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13413.616750000001, "end": 13414.93675, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13420.05675, "end": 13422.09675, "text": "Alright, that motion is carried 14 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13423.67675, "end": 13430.976750000002, "text": "The next new item of business after the lunch break is the uh fire establishing a fire service committee item. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13431.59675, "end": 13434.43675, "text": "do we have a uh administration report to start us off?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13447.93675, "end": 13448.836750000002, "text": "Good to see you again, Chief." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13449.836750000002, "end": 13457.876750000001, "text": "Yes, thank you. Great to uh great to see you all and thank you all for being outside uh at noon for the memorial. It's very much appreciated, I can tell you by our members and the families." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13459.57675, "end": 13461.25675, "text": "Uh if I may, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13461.456750000001, "end": 13470.296750000001, "text": "Good day, committee. Uh my name is Fire Chief Steve Dongworth. I'm joined by Elspeth Mare from the Community Services Department. Uh would you like a presentation this afternoon?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13471.27675, "end": 13472.43675, "text": "Uh yes, please. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13473.296750000001, "end": 13474.41675, "text": "Uh next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13475.796750000001, "end": 13497.41675, "text": "Council approved a notice of motion in May of this year directing the development of the materials required to establish a fire services committee. Today we are seeking your approval of the recommendations before you, including the bylaw and attachment to, the recruitment approach for three public members for the new committee early next year," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13498.156750000002, "end": 13512.836750000002, "text": "direction to include the estimated costs of starting up and operating the committee for consideration through the November budget materials, the scheduling of fire services committee meetings in the latter part of 2027." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13513.496750000002, "end": 13514.616750000001, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13515.89675, "end": 13517.91675, "text": "Why is now the time for such a committee?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13518.59675, "end": 13530.85675, "text": "The Calgary Fire Department provides emergency response, fire prevention and education, and community risk reduction services. As Calgary continues to grow rapidly, so too does the scale and complexity of fire service delivery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13531.39675, "end": 13539.156750000002, "text": "Since 2022, Calgary's population has grown by 17%, leading to geographical growth and increased densification." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13539.636750000001, "end": 13546.656750000002, "text": "Over that period, fire service calls have increased by 14%, reaching more than 92,000 incidents last year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13547.07675, "end": 13552.01675, "text": "This year, we're on pace to exceed that number and could reach 100,000 calls." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13552.73675, "end": 13561.77675, "text": "Over the same period, inspections increased by 95%, driven by changes to inspection requirements for short-term rentals, special events, and other demands." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13562.456750000001, "end": 13574.296750000001, "text": "Council has made significant investments to respond to these pressures. Between 2023 and 2026, Council increased the Calgary Fire Department's operating budget by 107 million, or 43%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13575.196750000001, "end": 13584.036750000001, "text": "However, much of this budget increase was dedicated to covering negotiated increases to salaries and wages, which make up 95% of our budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13584.836750000002, "end": 13590.456750000001, "text": "Over the current cycle, fire staffing has increased by 18% to nearly 1,900 employees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13591.07675, "end": 13595.496750000002, "text": "The Calgary Fire Department now accounts for 12% of the city's total operating budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13596.376750000001, "end": 13604.816750000002, "text": "Calgary Fire Department's 2023 to 2026 capital budget includes more than $149 million for fire stations and equipment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13606.39675, "end": 13617.01675, "text": "Approximately 65%, I beg your pardon, of that funding supports emergency response stations with new and replacement stations planned or under construction in several communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13617.67675, "end": 13625.67675, "text": "Project delivery continues to be affected by construction capacity, site servicing requirements, supply chain challenges, and inflation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13626.196750000001, "end": 13636.39675, "text": "The proposed Fire Services Committee is intended to provide additional visibility into strategic planning, emerging needs, major investments, and key risks. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13638.09675, "end": 13660.27675, "text": "We understood Council's objective for this new committee to be to increase visibility of the fire service. As proposed, the committee could provide a public forum to discuss service levels, emerging needs, and key risks. And it would do so without directing the operations of the Calgary Fire Department, which would remain under the authority of the fire chief." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13661.01675, "end": 13670.156750000002, "text": "The committee could provide advice and information to support council decision making without replacing council's role in making those decisions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13670.976750000002, "end": 13683.43675, "text": "The Fire Services Committee would not address human resources matters, change organizational structures, processes, or policies to which the fire department already contributes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13684.036750000001, "end": 13709.196750000001, "text": "The Fire Services Committee would also not duplicate nor replace the work of existing standing policy committees, and a work plan for the Fire Committee would seek to address report sequencing to mitigate such conflicts. In short, the committee, as proposed, could strengthen visibility and advice while respecting existing decision making authorities and corporate processes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13709.696750000001, "end": 13733.996750000002, "text": "As council directed through the notice of motion, the committee would mirror the audit committee's composition with four council members and three public members, and it would operate in accordance with the procedure bylaw and related supports. If approved, it's anticipated the new committee would have all members in place and begin its work in Q3 of 2027." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13734.456750000001, "end": 13735.536750000001, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13737.93675, "end": 13759.996750000002, "text": "In developing the proposed committee, we considered several risks and mitigation approaches. First, there is a risk of overlap with existing council reporting processes. Fire services information already comes forward through the budget process, capital planning, quarterly reporting, and other council mechanisms." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13760.536750000001, "end": 13768.956750000001, "text": "A coordinated committee work plan would avoid confusion, duplication, sequencing issues, and conflicting timelines." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13769.91675, "end": 13774.89675, "text": "Secondly, the risks that roles and responsibilities could become unclear." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13775.43675, "end": 13793.456750000001, "text": "The proposed committee is not intended to direct operations nor replace existing administrative accountabilities. If it becomes evident that the committee's mandate overlaps with the fire chief's responsibilities, future updates to bylaws may be required." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13794.536750000001, "end": 13815.27675, "text": "Third, coordination with broader community safety and well being work will be vital. The Calgary Fire Department contributes to outcomes that are also considered through the Community Development Committee. Continued participation by the General Manager Community Services in both committees would help to maintain alignment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13816.316750000002, "end": 13826.976750000002, "text": "Next, there would be additional administrative work and associated unfunded costs to establish and support the new committee, which we have included in our recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13827.716750000001, "end": 13834.816750000002, "text": "And finally, council directed administration to develop materials for a specific fire services committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13834.996750000002, "end": 13864.136750000001, "text": "A full assessment of alternative governance models was not requested nor completed. If council were to establish a committee with a broader mandate or greater authority than proposed, additional legal considerations would need to be addressed. In summary, the proposed committee is intended to provide a dedicated forum for advice and oversight while respecting existing decision making authorities, administrative accountabilities, and council processes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 13864.656750000002, "end": 13865.73675, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 13866.616750000001, "end": 13876.09675, "text": "Committee, that concludes our presentation. The recommendations are before you. Following any submissions from members of the public or interested parties, we'd be happy to answer any questions you have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13877.716750000001, "end": 13882.93675, "text": "All right, Council, to be compliant with our previous direction, I believe uh Councilor Weines had an amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13883.51675, "end": 13890.01675, "text": "to this notice of motion that uh enshrined that when this came to executive committee that there would be the opportunity for public participation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13890.75675, "end": 13894.216750000001, "text": "Um clerks, do we have that uh procedural motion ready to be moved?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 13894.43675, "end": 13904.796750000001, "text": "We do, Mayor Farkas. The motion will be that pursuant to section 32 sub five of the procedure bylaw executive committee hear from members of the public who wish to speak to item 7.10." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13905.216750000001, "end": 13910.89675, "text": "Okay, I'm gonna recognize Councilor Weines as having moved that, seconded by uh Counselor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13911.67675, "end": 13911.93675, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13913.67675, "end": 13917.996750000002, "text": "sor oh yeah. That's sorry, it's moved by Councilor Weines. Did you want to speak to this, Wynus?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13918.876750000001, "end": 13919.456750000001, "text": "Councilor Weines?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 13919.55675, "end": 13920.496750000002, "text": "You pretty much covered it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13921.156750000002, "end": 13925.696750000001, "text": "All right, uh let's engage the e-vote, please, on suspending the procedure bylaw to hear from members of the public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 13942.77675, "end": 13944.23675, "text": "Councilor Dollywall, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 13944.976750000002, "end": 13947.116750000001, "text": "Thank you. Councilor Clark is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 13947.616750000001, "end": 13949.656750000002, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13949.956750000001, "end": 13951.336750000002, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13954.73675, "end": 13956.616750000001, "text": "On that, the motion is carried, 14-0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13957.25675, "end": 13960.59675, "text": "In line with that, do we have any members of the public who'd like to come and approach and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13960.836750000002, "end": 13961.376750000001, "text": "speak to this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13965.656750000002, "end": 13967.476750000002, "text": "I think we're we're dragging you down, sir." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 13971.496750000002, "end": 13972.876750000001, "text": "Do we have the sheets for them" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 13974.656750000002, "end": 13975.23675, "text": "after?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 13977.296750000001, "end": 13977.716750000001, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 13980.67675, "end": 13982.35675, "text": "Please go ahead and uh introduce yourself." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 13983.09675, "end": 14024.77675, "text": "Hi, I'm uh Jamie Blaney, president of the Calgary Firefires Association Local 255. Um, I again just want to express my gratitude for everyone attending the memorial at lunch. And um to you, Councilor Wynus, for championing this motion that we had unanimous uh agreement on and that councillors assigned on to it, as well as your previous notice notice of the previous budget cycle, staffing our ladders and towers with four people. Those sort of things was what makes this city a safer place to live, and it's safer for your Calgary firefighters. We're energized with this fire services committee and appreciate all the work that's been done to date on it. We think it falls a little bit short of what we." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14025.156750000002, "end": 14030.09675, "text": "thought in initially what we intended this um fire services committee would solve." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14030.696750000001, "end": 14062.05675, "text": "I'll I'll admit I haven't um had the time since with short notice to go through the four attachments that I've received with this. So I'm a little bit unprepared for um this, but you know, certainly welcome the work that's been done. Um and again, uh happy to answer any questions or um you know anything that you need from the the local on this. I have with me Vice President Matt Edson, who's done you know certainly the bulk of the work on this with with engaging council. Um and like I said, we appreciate the work, but we do think it needs to go a little bit further to make sure that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14062.816750000002, "end": 14089.456750000001, "text": "Calgaryans and your fire department is ready to respond to the emergencies. We're a city grown towards two million people. You know, we have we have areas in the city that we believe are really understaffed and under resourced, and we think the fire services committee reporting directly to council is going to provide that oversight so we can stop these gaps and we can grow this department into the department that we all want and the departments that the department that Calgarians deserve. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14090.17675, "end": 14090.616750000001, "text": "thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 14090.75675, "end": 14096.336750000002, "text": "I'll jump in the queue. Uh maybe for you or Matt. Uh do you have a sense of what specifically you'd like to see this go further on?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14097.976750000002, "end": 14141.43675, "text": "Um yeah, like you know, I know Matt can can speak to this as well. We're you know, we're we're we're worried about the oversight. And again, I know GM Black's done a great job with the department over years, but it feels like this is adding a layer of bureaucracy where our intention of having a fire services committee was to remove that bureaucracy. So what we're hoping is that there's more direct voice to council. Um like even in building agendas, there seems to be little appetite for the chief to add agenda items and have those conversations. And what we hope this committee is is uh is a transparent um committee that can respond to the needs of the fire department, responds to the need of Calgaryans, and to put out on the table what what we need to to grow with the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 14143.27675, "end": 14179.01675, "text": "Sure. I I think one of the the critical items that I noted was absent was a mechanism for a respond and explain for areas where maybe we fall short in the metric. So for example, hall delivery, if there is an issue, whether it's procurement, and I think um some other members have spoken about the challenges with tariffs and the like, but if there is a legitimate reason why something has missed a target, a the ability to for that committee to go out to that organization and to compel them to say, okay, we'll respond and explain why has this missed a mark, and are there opportunities to mitigate those issues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 14181.376750000001, "end": 14183.296750000001, "text": "All right. Uh anybody else for the speakers?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 14183.43675, "end": 14183.77675, "text": "Colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 14185.73675, "end": 14188.456750000001, "text": "Okay. Seeing none, thank you so much for for being here with us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14188.876750000001, "end": 14189.296750000001, "text": "Thanks again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 14191.09675, "end": 14195.75675, "text": "All right, uh we've heard from administration and members of the public. Can I go to you, Councilor Weines, to move this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 14205.89675, "end": 14207.39675, "text": "Yeah, I want to move it. Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 14207.39675, "end": 14207.93675, "text": "Go ahead, Councilor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 14207.93675, "end": 14210.976750000002, "text": "Conversation's going on about this because we're so passionate about it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 14210.976750000002, "end": 14211.25675, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 14211.25675, "end": 14214.696750000001, "text": "Um I I oh the questions have admin first, so I don't need to move." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 14214.696750000001, "end": 14216.636750000001, "text": "All right, Councilor uh Vice Chair Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14218.796750000001, "end": 14234.996750000002, "text": "Yeah, thanks. Uh just uh taking a look at what are we at here, attachment two, which is the bylaw itself, uh just wanted to ask the question here under section six one a the committee is authorized to develop an annual work plan. Who currently is developing that annual work plan?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14237.09675, "end": 14267.716750000001, "text": "Currently, there wouldn't be an annual work plan of this nature. There would certainly be, and the chief could speak to work plans that exist for the fire department and their improvements, but this would be an annual work plan that would be developed for the committee and echoes what is in place for the audit committee. So this is about having an understanding of which reports the committee would be interested in receiving and the kinds of information it may seek to speak about." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14267.876750000001, "end": 14277.036750000001, "text": "Got it. So this is not the fire department's annual work plan. This is the committee's annual Okay. Just want to get clear on clarity on that. Um no, I think that was my only question, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 14278.05675, "end": 14279.75675, "text": "Alright, uh Councilor Panasopolis, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14279.89675, "end": 14291.09675, "text": "Thanks so much, and thank you for the presentation. And um my one question or a few questions external engagement. Did we look I recognize you mentioned that you looked very specifically at a committee, full stop." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14292.456750000001, "end": 14294.01675, "text": "Best practice, is there another" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14294.85675, "end": 14295.836750000002, "text": "community?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14296.636750000001, "end": 14306.39675, "text": "Municipality, nationally, federally across the world, whatever, that has something consistent, and did we use that belts and braces, or was it just strictly follow audit committee?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14306.93675, "end": 14309.116750000001, "text": "Maybe just walk through that, given the narrowness of your scope." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14309.43675, "end": 14370.376750000001, "text": "Thank you. We did some examination of other fire services in major centers across Canada and looked a little bit at some examples in the United States, appreciating it's a very different governance context in the U.S. Certainly in Canadian municipalities, the model that's currently in place through a committee similar to Community Services Committee is the standard. With respect to jurisdictions in the U.S., Los Angeles, for example, does have an independent civilian fire commission. That's not what we were directed to examine here. You also asked Counselor about engagement, and we did have a session with President Blaney and some of his executives. We also met with representatives from the Calgary Police Commission and had a number of conversations with folks internally who are doing some other important governance work that Council has directed, including oversight of the water utility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14371.636750000001, "end": 14400.01675, "text": "Maybe just speak a little bit more about sort of a look back. Obviously, this bylaw doesn't get it perfect, nor should it. It'll take time and needs to evolve with Calgary and how we work. Maybe just speak to process. Do we intend to sort of take a check back a year from now, three years from now, and sort of you know what have we learned, if you will, to use some of the city Calgary language, or should we incorporate that into the bylaw? Have a very clear, full review in a year or two. How's the administration thinking about that and what's been incorporated in the bylaw?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14400.51675, "end": 14412.41675, "text": "Currently, we didn't incorporate any specific timeline for a review of the committee in the bylaw, though council certainly has the authority to review any of its committees at any time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14412.996750000002, "end": 14420.956750000001, "text": "That's fair. No, I appreciate that. Um you mentioned modeling the audit committee. And the audit committee does have some quite broad powers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14421.476750000002, "end": 14423.85675, "text": "The power to compel, you know, the compel about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14424.836750000002, "end": 14431.89675, "text": "ask uh institute special audits, program review, special studies, uh, and use of external consultants and things. And and I was just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14433.116750000001, "end": 14436.336750000002, "text": "Very carefully you were answering sort of questions if it the scope changes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14436.75675, "end": 14445.636750000001, "text": "So maybe if that was the model, that's a little absent. I we have obviously the chief attending, we have the CAO or his or her delegate designate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14446.05675, "end": 14463.17675, "text": "Maybe just speak to that. That's a very critical power of the audit committee to bring people forward, to get experts, etc. Maybe just speak to was it an oversight or was it intentional not to copy and replicate that authority that was given to the audit committee in our committee for the fire?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 14463.41675, "end": 14463.876750000001, "text": "Sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14464.036750000001, "end": 14464.496750000002, "text": "We" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14465.41675, "end": 14473.67675, "text": "and I may invite some of my colleagues who have more expertise about the audit committee to speak to that, but certainly we looked at uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14474.39675, "end": 14502.876750000001, "text": "Really, the hallmarks of the audit committee around public membership and around frequency of meetings, around how some of the composition was struck, and considered some of the work that audit committee does with respect to again the work plan that was answered previously and examining some of those powers without going so far as to look at the independent officer status that does exist with the auditor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14503.716750000001, "end": 14504.976750000002, "text": "But that's separate. Why why didn't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14505.536750000001, "end": 14512.996750000002, "text": "it feels like that was ignored? Um obviously the procedural meet five times a year. I think it's six times, six times a year. But the authority to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14514.67675, "end": 14542.196750000001, "text": "institute a special audit, call it something different in the fire committee. So that was a conscious decision to exclude it. Did you not feel that the notice of motion guided that? Like the intent of using the audit committee was the teeth that an audit committee has. Fundamentally, power resides in council. I recognize that, full stop, but we discharged some of our duties to go down into the depths, just like we do it for executive committee. So it was a very conscious decision of administration to ignore that segment of audit committee powers in the committee for fire." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14543.196750000001, "end": 14571.216750000001, "text": "Certainly, Councillor, we did look at in section six of the bylaw the ability for committee to request additional information, to request reports from administration. We didn't look at the independence and the ability to direct external parties to complete those reports, but certainly I could envision that may be future direction from committee through council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14571.23675, "end": 14582.09675, "text": "Well thanks for clarifying that that six and and the fact that you know I look the chief is there, there's public members, member of council, that's an important and I think it's just important that we speak to that, that that's sort of the intent. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 14582.55675, "end": 14644.376750000001, "text": "Uh Councilor YNS runs a very tight audit committee and and you know there's a broad ability to question as we should, and I think this committee that's what Calgaryans want, recognizing there is authorities everybody has, and it's not to manage the day-to-day but to ask questions. So I think having those, you know, interpretation of 6A, B, C, and D on the bylaw, that's great to hear that that I think generally was the intent, was not to sort of constrain the ability for us to inquire within reason. We can't run the fire uh department, we just have to be governors. But the fact that it's there and that's the discussion there. So, you know, I think I'm generally pleased how it came out. I recognize in a year or two there'll have to be review. Is it working? Are we meeting expectations? Because that's gonna be the bar. Are we meeting the expectations of Calgarians? When we're five years, ten years behind delivery of halls and fire trucks, we're not meeting. And this commission, excuse me, committee, committee, this committee will be very paramount, I think, bring it up to council and hopefully we can get ahead of those. So thank you so much for administration for all the work, for the folks in the fire, and uh uh for Councillor Y Ness for bringing this forward and the unanimous support that we had for the notice of motion. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 14645.136750000001, "end": 14646.25675, "text": "Counselor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 14647.93675, "end": 14682.25675, "text": "Yeah, I I just want to further on that, just looking into the composition, like how you sort of came to that structure and whether you had considered other either appointed seats or or what have you within within this uh this committee to sort of deliver different different outcomes, right? The composition will largely make up the work that's taken on, the decisions that are rendered, and just uh what you explored in terms of the makeup of this committee uh and and and the outcomes that would come." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14683.01675, "end": 14731.116750000001, "text": "Sure. Certainly the recommendation for four members of council and three members of the public is further described in attachment three, which speaks to the recruitment process, which would be off-cycle, of course, of the boards and committees recruitment that's underway currently. And does make particular provisos related to former members of city administration and how those members may be considered for membership on the committee in the future. We did have some conversations in the project team around other composition ratios, for example, but we didn't pursue those further given how precise the direction was with respect to mirroring the audit committee composition." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 14731.656750000002, "end": 14735.116750000001, "text": "Okay, yeah, so it was really based in that. You didn't, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 14735.41675, "end": 14738.57675, "text": "Didn't take those that much further. Would we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 14741.216750000001, "end": 14742.09675, "text": "what will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 14742.73675, "end": 14760.116750000001, "text": "how how do we know that this is working? And how do we like like continue to sort of evaluate uh you know whether there needs to be changes to the composition, whether we need to revisit these kinds of elements going forward? Like are are there are there pieces um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 14761.696750000001, "end": 14773.09675, "text": "That that you think we need to be specifically thinking about in the sort of like long term maintenance of this committee and making sure that it delivers what we need, uh, that we need to keep top of mind and and be evaluating." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14774.376750000001, "end": 14807.196750000001, "text": "I think Councillor Wines will certainly have ideas about this that she could address in her close, but from our perspective, we would have a sense that the committee was meeting council's expectations if we had some clarity around ensuring that we weren't seeing those kinds of redundant reports, reports coming to multiple committees, weren't seeing conflicting recommendations, those sorts of things, I think would be perhaps of concern to us and certainly informed how we spoke about and addressed risk within the report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 14807.43675, "end": 14814.09675, "text": "Okay. Okay. Yeah, great. I'll uh I'll look forward to uh yeah, Counselor Wynus's piece on that. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 14814.496750000002, "end": 14815.816750000002, "text": "Councillor Dollywell, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14816.316750000002, "end": 14818.616750000001, "text": "Thank you. I just got a question. There was a comment made." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14818.996750000002, "end": 14821.27675, "text": "This is creating more bureaucracy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14822.05675, "end": 14823.17675, "text": "I kinda" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14824.27675, "end": 14825.07675, "text": "agree with it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14827.196750000001, "end": 14827.73675, "text": "Can you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14828.35675, "end": 14830.55675, "text": "uh convince me that it's not?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14833.536750000001, "end": 14834.156750000002, "text": "So I think," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14834.156750000002, "end": 14834.796750000001, "text": "It's not." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14836.35675, "end": 14840.05675, "text": "Counselor, I I believe that currently there" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14840.376750000001, "end": 14871.57675, "text": "is the ability through the Community Services Committee to compel particular reports from fire, and that could exist in that way. One of the changes that would happen with the establishment of the Fire Services Committee would be to remove fire services from the mandate of Community Development Committee and bring them here. So in that way, the redundancy piece is being addressed. In terms of the comment with respect to creating additional bureaucracy, I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14872.43675, "end": 14873.01675, "text": "I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14873.57675, "end": 14884.996750000002, "text": "not clear how this committee creates additional bureaucracy. It shifts the reporting line for fire visibility to a dedicated committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14885.956750000001, "end": 14889.636750000001, "text": "Rather than a committee that has a broader responsibility set." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14889.93675, "end": 14892.77675, "text": "Okay. Uh I don't want to go into details because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14893.89675, "end": 14896.43675, "text": "over the last few years I've heard uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14897.55675, "end": 14898.25675, "text": "from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14898.93675, "end": 14908.196750000001, "text": "Firefighters Association some of the concerns uh when it comes to communication to decision makers, policymakers around this horseshoe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14909.39675, "end": 14913.956750000001, "text": "How will this make sure that those voices are being heard" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14914.116750000001, "end": 14916.636750000001, "text": "and their concerns are being looked after?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14918.23675, "end": 14930.25675, "text": "So there is a proviso in the bylaw again to create opportunities to hear from members of the public and interested parties that would certainly include the Firefighters Association at committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14931.27675, "end": 14933.55675, "text": "That could already happen at the CDC." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14933.73675, "end": 14934.196750000001, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14935.116750000001, "end": 14935.616750000001, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14936.456750000001, "end": 14945.976750000002, "text": "what is different? That's where where I'm struggling to figure out what is this committee, why why is it so different when all this could be done at the CDC?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14946.67675, "end": 14953.73675, "text": "Respectfully, counselor, that was the direction through the notice of motion was to bring a dedicated committee for fire services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14953.91675, "end": 14964.996750000002, "text": "Yeah. I think I'm gonna wrap up by saying I'm gonna reluctantly support this today and see how it pans out, but I don't see much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14965.67675, "end": 14973.196750000001, "text": "Coming out of it just creating it's just another exercise of creating another committee. Um so with that I'll I'll I'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14973.816750000002, "end": 14974.91675, "text": "I'll shut up. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 14976.23675, "end": 14977.05675, "text": "Counselor Yule, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 14979.296750000001, "end": 14981.55675, "text": "So this committee will be a council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 14982.136750000001, "end": 14987.05675, "text": "Committee. Like we we are directing this committee. Correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14987.07675, "end": 14987.51675, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 14987.93675, "end": 14988.73675, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 14989.43675, "end": 14991.156750000002, "text": "council can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 14991.536750000001, "end": 15005.07675, "text": "uh so we heard some of the the members um concerned about you know what this committee can and and cannot do. We can as a council direct that committee to do what we want as a council," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 15009.07675, "end": 15009.996750000002, "text": "Within reason?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 15010.136750000001, "end": 15011.216750000001, "text": "with right," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 15011.216750000001, "end": 15012.25675, "text": "Within your bounds, yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 15012.25675, "end": 15013.25675, "text": "within our bounds, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 15013.996750000002, "end": 15025.51675, "text": "Okay, so uh yeah, happy to support this, and uh I think we just need to get this committee stood up, and then we can we can refine it as we go along. So uh thank you for your presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15027.01675, "end": 15028.296750000001, "text": "All right, Councilor Weines, you set?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15029.836750000002, "end": 15030.67675, "text": "Yeah, move and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15030.85675, "end": 15031.196750000001, "text": "open." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15031.656750000002, "end": 15032.116750000001, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15033.336750000002, "end": 15034.376750000001, "text": "so this committee" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15034.616750000001, "end": 15036.77675, "text": "is reporting directly to the counselors" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15037.25675, "end": 15037.796750000001, "text": "that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15038.716750000001, "end": 15039.636750000001, "text": "direct the budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15040.296750000001, "end": 15045.496750000002, "text": "And I think where we to Counselor Dollywell's point on is it's adding more bureaucracy," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15045.91675, "end": 15048.816750000002, "text": "it's not because the counselors who sit on this committee" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15049.456750000001, "end": 15052.57675, "text": "will be reporting to all the counselors on our consent agendas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15053.01675, "end": 15054.75675, "text": "The issues in the work plan" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15055.09675, "end": 15057.75675, "text": "that this committee of counselors and the public will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15058.036750000001, "end": 15059.59675, "text": "set up and establish" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15059.976750000002, "end": 15062.93675, "text": "will be tackling issues that are facing the fire department." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15063.25675, "end": 15065.976750000002, "text": "They could have a standing issue on the work plan that is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15066.73675, "end": 15069.85675, "text": "fire halls that are opened and progress reports on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15070.036750000001, "end": 15071.57675, "text": "The approved council fire halls" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15071.89675, "end": 15073.796750000001, "text": "that would constantly be reported to this committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15074.17675, "end": 15077.25675, "text": "Community development has a broad scope," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15077.996750000002, "end": 15078.636750000001, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15079.116750000001, "end": 15080.25675, "text": "I think they're getting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15080.956750000001, "end": 15083.636750000001, "text": "there's enough work on that committee that is not allowing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15084.25675, "end": 15087.036750000001, "text": "fire to constantly have the place on the agenda that it needs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15087.376750000001, "end": 15088.75675, "text": "And that is why we want to have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15089.296750000001, "end": 15092.116750000001, "text": "the fire services committee to address issues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15092.51675, "end": 15096.196750000001, "text": "If you look at currently their fire departments facing a massive" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15096.816750000002, "end": 15097.716750000001, "text": "landfill fire." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15098.116750000001, "end": 15102.09675, "text": "And anyone who's dug into that report knows that there's been" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15102.456750000001, "end": 15105.01675, "text": "multiple departments involved in it. There's been" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15105.23675, "end": 15107.41675, "text": "height violations of waste at that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15107.636750000001, "end": 15108.57675, "text": "location." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15108.996750000002, "end": 15112.536750000001, "text": "And we need to have better insight on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15112.796750000001, "end": 15114.89675, "text": "making sure enforcement happens" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15115.07675, "end": 15117.336750000002, "text": "so that our firefighters are not sitting there" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15117.73675, "end": 15118.956750000001, "text": "watching" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15119.716750000001, "end": 15121.216750000001, "text": "who knows what's burning in that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15121.41675, "end": 15124.496750000002, "text": "impact their health and the future health outcomes of our firefighters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15124.85675, "end": 15125.876750000001, "text": "This committee gives it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15126.23675, "end": 15129.196750000001, "text": "We currently have the MRUs responding to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15129.456750000001, "end": 15133.196750000001, "text": "what I'm only assuming to be a bad batch of street drugs for the last couple weeks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15133.55675, "end": 15134.376750000001, "text": "And it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15135.17675, "end": 15136.696750000001, "text": "not coming to community development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15137.35675, "end": 15142.656750000002, "text": "Whereas this is where that committee and the public's ability to come and speak to council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15142.956750000001, "end": 15144.59675, "text": "to highlight what our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15144.85675, "end": 15146.75675, "text": "firefighters are experiencing on the street" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15147.01675, "end": 15150.41675, "text": "is so important that community development does not actually" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15150.77675, "end": 15153.59675, "text": "create that space for our fighter fighters to have that voice." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15153.996750000002, "end": 15154.75675, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15155.09675, "end": 15156.07675, "text": "while some may call it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15156.536750000001, "end": 15159.93675, "text": "bureaucracy, it's actually a clear line of sight, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15160.216750000001, "end": 15166.23675, "text": "hopefully the media will report on the issues that are being presented to this council so Calgarians will also have a line of sight" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15166.57675, "end": 15168.216750000001, "text": "on what our firefighters are facing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15168.73675, "end": 15169.05675, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15169.39675, "end": 15169.836750000002, "text": "I mean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15170.216750000001, "end": 15171.616750000001, "text": "council has a committee" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15172.05675, "end": 15173.136750000001, "text": "for a federal" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15173.536750000001, "end": 15174.216750000001, "text": "warship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15174.476750000002, "end": 15175.036750000001, "text": "I'm like," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15175.67675, "end": 15179.376750000001, "text": "do you want to not have oversight on one of our larger budget items?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15179.75675, "end": 15184.17675, "text": "That's my question to you guys. So uh I hope you can support this and stand this up and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15184.43675, "end": 15191.09675, "text": "Let us evolve this as we get citizens involved in it and as we work together as a council to make this committee be what it needs to be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 15191.41675, "end": 15192.616750000001, "text": "So open and closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15193.636750000001, "end": 15195.616750000001, "text": "Alright, I see no debate, so I'm gonna" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15195.796750000001, "end": 15197.816750000002, "text": "ask the clerk to please engage the evote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 15219.25675, "end": 15220.876750000001, "text": "Counselor Atkinson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15221.27675, "end": 15221.656750000002, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 15221.93675, "end": 15222.296750000001, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 15222.89675, "end": 15224.85675, "text": "Councillor Clark is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 15225.27675, "end": 15226.23675, "text": "Counselor Johnston" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 15226.536750000001, "end": 15227.43675, "text": "is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 15227.696750000001, "end": 15228.956750000001, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15229.09675, "end": 15229.35675, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 15229.536750000001, "end": 15229.996750000002, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 15230.696750000001, "end": 15231.77675, "text": "Mayor, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15232.05675, "end": 15233.996750000002, "text": "Thank you. Please uh display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15236.07675, "end": 15238.01675, "text": "On that, the motion is carried, 13 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15238.93675, "end": 15240.376750000001, "text": "Uh Councilor Yule," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15240.59675, "end": 15241.216750000001, "text": "you want to talk?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 15242.75675, "end": 15243.89675, "text": "We're on 7.3 now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15244.636750000001, "end": 15246.35675, "text": "Uh that is the next one. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 15246.35675, "end": 15247.51675, "text": "Yeah. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 15248.656750000002, "end": 15270.476750000002, "text": "just have uh a couple more letters to add to the public record. Uh administration has them. We got letters from LRT and the Green Foundation, uh, Calgary Alliance for the Common Good, and then a collaboration letter from BOMA, Calgary Construction Association, Calgary Downtown Association, and CREDA. So I'd like to get add those to the public record." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15273.17675, "end": 15276.43675, "text": "Sounds good. That motion's up on the screen. Uh all in favor, colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15277.296750000001, "end": 15277.91675, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15278.57675, "end": 15280.116750000001, "text": "Seeing none, that motion is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15280.956750000001, "end": 15282.796750000001, "text": "Alright, so we're on 7.3." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 15283.636750000001, "end": 15284.75675, "text": "Happy to hear from administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15300.876750000001, "end": 15301.976750000002, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15302.91675, "end": 15341.536750000001, "text": "Well, good afternoon, Mayor and Council. Today marks a critical milestone for the Green Line LRT as we not only provide you with an update on our construction and progress in the Southeast, but seek a decision on the downtown segment. Phase one of the Green Line has been discussed and debated for more than a decade. Two years ago last week, the project moved to be wound down. And when I think of the extraordinary leadership of members of this council to ensure that instead of walking away from $3 billion in funding and more than $1.5 billion in already committed costs, I would be remiss in not saying thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15342.17675, "end": 15360.816750000002, "text": "Our progress today is a direct reflection of your commitment to the project, and today's decisions will ensure that this council is credited with finally bringing phase one to fruition in connecting Calgarians from the southeast to the downtown and the full transit network. It's an exciting day, so let's get into it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15361.996750000002, "end": 15362.956750000001, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15364.616750000001, "end": 15390.75675, "text": "Today's recommendations will be the focus of Director Huber's presentation with my Green Line team ready to receive the baton and get to work. But in summary, today we are asking that the Executive Committee of Council recommend the alignment for the downtown segment to complete phase one of the Green Line LRT program and direct that we advance planning on both the extensions to Seton and from North Central Calgary into the downtown. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15391.956750000001, "end": 15399.336750000002, "text": "And this work, of course, follows on the direction from June 9th to return in September with options for the downtown. Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15400.57675, "end": 15418.816750000002, "text": "But before we get into the downtown, let's talk a little bit about our progress in the southeast. This picture was taken 10 days ago as the team from Ellis Dawn poured the concrete for the new Blackfoot Trail LRT Bridge. This work is progressing on schedule and will be finished this year. Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15420.17675, "end": 15435.23675, "text": "As I have shared previously, the majority of all of our contracts for bridges, stations, track, and systems will be awarded this year. Every couple of weeks, a new package goes out to the market, and we are encouraged by the strong support from industry to be part of building the green line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15435.716750000001, "end": 15460.136750000001, "text": "Later this week, we hope to award the contract for the Bow River package, which is reflected in this rendering. These two massive bridges will cross the Bow River and Deerfoot Trail, bringing the LRT from the Linwood Millican area towards Highfield. And since this report was uploaded, the RFP for the entire maintenance and storage facility has been released. We are making progress faster than the deadlines for council updates allow." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15460.73675, "end": 15465.27675, "text": "An additional almost $1 billion of work will be issued to the market this fall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15465.73675, "end": 15466.75675, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15468.09675, "end": 15498.85675, "text": "We have six projects under construction, including the foundations and steel for the MSF buildings at Shepherd, the almost 600 meter guideway over Barlow and 114th, two LRT bridges, and the Ogden Road realignment so that we can fit the LRT in between the road and CPKC tracks. My public affairs team does a fantastic job of sharing construction updates and pictures on our website and social media channels. So if you aren't already following us, council and members of the public, you really should be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15499.67675, "end": 15500.636750000001, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15502.55675, "end": 15538.636750000001, "text": "With costs certainly top of mind on this mega project, I'm happy to share that with the current contracts issued, we are aligned with our project estimates. At my next two quarterly updates, we'll really have a much better forecast based on the scale of contracts that are being awarded. But I think this speaks to the constant conversation we have engaged in with industry to ensure that we strike the right balance in our contracts, specifically around risk allocation, and that the party that is best positioned to manage the risk is taking it. With a finite bit budget, we know that council is relying on us to get this right. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15541.09675, "end": 15593.25675, "text": "The increase in our committed costs reflects the awarding of contracts, while our costs to date reflect us nearing completion on the design in the Southeast and that heavy resource push to achieve that target, the work on the downtown segment, and of course our active construction. We remain on track to spend around $400 million this year with the increase from our projected $353 million, reflecting the advanced payment that contractors receive upon award to ensure that industry is not financing this project. If any contract award dates are delayed, I will provide that update to you all in December as the spending profile will shift from Q4 of this year to Q1 of next. All that being said, it is important to remind council that the timing is just shifting and that these costs are all within the overall phase one funding envelope of $6.248 billion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15594.376750000001, "end": 15595.39675, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 15596.636750000001, "end": 15646.976750000002, "text": "And finally, in addition to the full confidential project risk register that council received in our package, the overall key risks for the project are outlined here. These have not changed since our last update in June, with strong mitigations in place to keep these risks from increasing. This picture reflects one of those mitigations, which was to advance the work at the MSF. As you recall, the 74-acre site was graded and serviced last year, and this year the foundations for all three buildings are being poured and steel fabricated. These projects keep the utility and geotechnical risks out of the contract for main construction while advancing the schedule, and we all know that time is money. And so with this update on a great on the great work in the Southeast, I'm so pleased to turn it over to Director Huber for what I know what everyone is most focused on the downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15647.876750000001, "end": 15651.73675, "text": "Next slide, please. Thanks, Wendy. And next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15653.55675, "end": 15678.17675, "text": "In June, council directed administration to re-examine the downtown segment and identify alternatives that respond to concerns raised through engagement while maintaining the overall objectives of the Green Line program. Those concerns focus largely on elevated infrastructure in the downtown core, including impacts on adjacent properties, redevelopment, public spaces, mobility, and quality of the urban environment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15678.796750000001, "end": 15692.716750000001, "text": "In response, administration reviewed a broad range of alternatives and assessed them against technical, operational, financial, and interest holder considerations. The result is the three shortlisted options before council today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15693.35675, "end": 15708.89675, "text": "All options are technically feasible, but they each present different trade offs. Today's presentation is intended to give council the information needed to understand those trade offs and decide the path forward for constructing the downtown segment of the Green Line. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15710.59675, "end": 15731.43675, "text": "Four core requirements guided our work. First, an option needed to align with the existing funding agreement and maintain the support of our funding partners. That included ridership objectives, recognition that any additional funding is the sole responsibility of the city, and accepting that the province does not currently support an underground solution." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15732.41675, "end": 15742.116750000001, "text": "Second, it needed to respond meaningfully to concerns raised through engagement, including property and business impacts, safety, accessibility, and public realm quality." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15743.07675, "end": 15750.196750000001, "text": "Third, it needed to maintain the connection with Event Center and Grand Central Station consistent with the province's broader rail master plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15750.656750000002, "end": 15758.296750000001, "text": "And finally, it needed to support Council's long-term vision for a green line extending from Seton to 160th Avenue North." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15759.336750000002, "end": 15781.35675, "text": "Administration did not begin with the three options before Council today. We reviewed 22 downtown alignments considered between 2016 and 2024, along with variations of those alignments and additional concepts raised through discussions with interested parties. We assessed those concepts against project requirements and evaluation criteria." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15781.716750000001, "end": 15790.39675, "text": "Concepts that did not align with those requirements or presented significant implementation challenges were not advanced. That included tunneled solutions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15791.39675, "end": 15794.496750000002, "text": "The three shortlisted options are the result of that work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15794.91675, "end": 15798.216750000001, "text": "Each aligns with the core requirements, but in a different way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15798.956750000001, "end": 15813.956750000001, "text": "The decision, therefore, is therefore not about whether an option can work. It is about how council wishes to balance affordability, ridership, downtown integration, connectivity, and long-term city building outcomes. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15816.05675, "end": 15835.536750000001, "text": "Option one is the current baseline alignment. And given the work on the functional plan throughout 2026, the most advanced of all three options. It offers the highest ridership, forecasted ridership, and the most direct connection to the existing LRT network and a clearly defined path for future expansion north." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15836.616750000001, "end": 15846.73675, "text": "But those benefits come with significant trade-offs. The alignment requires substantial elevated infrastructure through one of the most constrained and developed areas of the downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15847.41675, "end": 15859.17675, "text": "That infrastructure would affect adjacent buildings, businesses, plus 15 connections, public spaces, and the pedestrian environment. Those were among the concerns raised consistently through engagement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15860.35675, "end": 15869.41675, "text": "Cost validation also indicates that option one would cost more than previously estimated and require approximately $1 billion of additional funding." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15870.876750000001, "end": 15886.456750000001, "text": "The central trade-off is clear. Option one provides the strongest ridership and network connection, but it requires substantial additional investment, introduces significant elevated infrastructure into the downtown environment, and is not supported by interest holders." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15886.996750000002, "end": 15887.67675, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15890.17675, "end": 15908.35675, "text": "Option two maintains an elevated grades separated approach, but shifts the alignment to the 1st Street Southeast corridor. Administration examined this option to understand whether the concerns raised through engagement were primarily about the location of the baseline alignment or about elevated infrastructure itself." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15909.57675, "end": 15920.976750000002, "text": "Moving the alignment reduces some of the impacts associated with 2nd Street Southwest. However, it does not eliminate the challenges of introducing elevated infrastructure into the downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15921.75675, "end": 15936.996750000002, "text": "Many of those impacts just shift to a different corridor and a different group of property owners, businesses, residents, and institutions. While generally less severe than those associated with option one, they remain significant and challenging to mitigate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15938.216750000001, "end": 15957.036750000001, "text": "Option two also does not include a beltline station. Its cost estimate has not been validated and may be subject to the same adjustments identified through the validation of option one. Additional work would also be needed to fully understand its construction, utility, property, and delivery implications." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15958.456750000001, "end": 15970.51675, "text": "Option two demonstrates that changing the corridor can reduce some location specific impacts. It does not resolve the broader challenges associated with an elevated downtown alignment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15971.41675, "end": 15978.05675, "text": "It also requires additional funding and carries greater uncertainty about its full cost and delivery implications." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15978.696750000001, "end": 15979.636750000001, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 15982.316750000002, "end": 16004.77675, "text": "Option three takes a different approach. It leverages the benefits of a new fleet of low-floor vehicles and brings the Green Line to street level along 10th Avenue with a Beltline Station and an interim downtown terminus at 2nd Street Southwest. It does not introduce elevated infrastructure through downtown and does not require a crossing of the CBKC corridor as part of this phase." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16006.25675, "end": 16016.196750000001, "text": "This removes several major cost drivers associated with elevated options. Importantly, option three is the only shortlisted option that fits within the available funding envelope." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16017.17675, "end": 16025.836750000002, "text": "It also maintains the opportunity for future North Expansion along 2nd Street Southwest, including a future crossing of the CPKC corridor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16026.35675, "end": 16037.91675, "text": "The option includes a new connection from the station to the Plus 15 network and improvements to the 1st Street Southwest Underpass, supporting access between the station, downtown, and the Beltline." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16039.51675, "end": 16044.196750000001, "text": "Option 3 also responds directly to many of the concerns that prompted Council's review." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16045.376750000001, "end": 16055.816750000002, "text": "Without elevated infrastructure downtown, it avoids many of the concerns raised about impacts on properties, public spaces, adjacent properties, and pedestrian experiences." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16056.696750000001, "end": 16066.39675, "text": "Street level operation introduces its own mobility considerations, but initial assessment indicates that these can be mitigated through operations, planning, and detailed design." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16067.85675, "end": 16083.156750000002, "text": "Option three presents a strong balance. It can move forward within available funding, responds more directly to concerns raised through engagement, supports downtown and beltline connectivity, and maintains the opportunity for future network expansion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16084.57675, "end": 16085.476750000002, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16087.77675, "end": 16094.196750000001, "text": "This heat map shows the concentration of pedestrian activity, jobs, and destinations across downtown Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16095.196750000001, "end": 16102.59675, "text": "A direct transfer to the existing LRT system is one part of downtown accessibility, but the full journey also matters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16102.996750000002, "end": 16111.456750000001, "text": "People need convenient connections between transit, workplaces, services, public spaces, and other destinations once they arrive downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16112.536750000001, "end": 16127.57675, "text": "The elevated options provide the most direct connection to the red and blue lines. Under option three, access to the downtown employment core would be supported through the Plus 15 network, improvements to the First Street Southwest Underpass, and street level pedestrian connections." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16128.55675, "end": 16131.77675, "text": "A successful transit trip does not end at the station." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16132.09675, "end": 16148.91675, "text": "What matters is whether riders can reach their final destinations safely, comfortably, and conveniently. Option three would provide access to downtown's largest concentration of jobs and services while maintaining opportunities for future expansion through downtown and to the north." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16149.73675, "end": 16150.656750000002, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16152.796750000001, "end": 16162.25675, "text": "This slide compares how the three options perform against the evaluation criteria. It shows the advantages, challenges, and trade-offs associated with each option." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16163.316750000002, "end": 16168.41675, "text": "The key takeaway is that no option performs strongest across every criterion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16169.296750000001, "end": 16182.216750000001, "text": "The decision is about balance among those criteria. Option one performs most strongly in ridership and mobility. Those benefits, however, come with substantially higher costs and funding requirements beyond the approved budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16182.716750000001, "end": 16191.816750000002, "text": "Option two reduces some of the corridor specific impacts of option one, but it still requires additional funding and relies on elevated infrastructure through downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16192.43675, "end": 16194.75675, "text": "Option three presents a different balance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16195.296750000001, "end": 16205.036750000001, "text": "It is the only option within the approved funding envelope. It also performs strongly in downtown vibrancy, public realm quality, and development and investment potential." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16205.59675, "end": 16220.75675, "text": "Those results reflect many of the concerns heard through engagement. Because option three does not introduce elevated infrastructure downtown, it avoids many of the concerns raised about impacts on businesses, public spaces, adjacent properties, and pedestrian experience." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16222.496750000002, "end": 16230.09675, "text": "Importantly, the analysis shows that Council does not need to choose between making progress today and maintaining the long-term vision for the Green Line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16231.616750000001, "end": 16238.296750000001, "text": "These objectives can be achieved together. Option three demonstrates a strong balance across those priorities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16238.91675, "end": 16239.956750000001, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16242.01675, "end": 16260.17675, "text": "Following council's direction in June, administration conducted outreach with property owners, businesses, community organizations, and civic partners along the shortlisted corridors. The purpose was to let interest holders know that new alignment options had been identified and were being considered before they were shared publicly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16261.01675, "end": 16272.25675, "text": "Given the time available to identify options and report back to council, no formal engagement program was undertaken. However, several themes emerged consistently through these conversations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16272.816750000002, "end": 16288.09675, "text": "Safety and accessibility, downtown vibrancy and economic activity both during construction and over the long term, mobility and connectivity, and the importance of delivering a high-quality public realm that integrates into rather than divides the community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16288.89675, "end": 16314.91675, "text": "Many of the themes heard earlier this year about option one were also raised by interest holders adjacent to option two. These conversations were not intended to evaluate the options. They did, however, provide valuable insight into the potential impacts that matter to those located along the corridors. As council saw in the evaluation, those themes are reflected in the criteria for downtown vibrancy, urban realm quality, mobility, and connectivity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16316.036750000001, "end": 16316.636750000001, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16318.35675, "end": 16335.01675, "text": "Administration has completed the work needed to bring technically feasible options and their associated trade offs before council. The decision is now, the decision now is about more than selecting an alignment. It is about providing the direction needed to continue building the Green Lion LRT." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16335.656750000002, "end": 16340.73675, "text": "The city committed through its funding agreements to decide on the downtown segment by the end of this year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16341.456750000001, "end": 16350.67675, "text": "The Southeast segment also has a target revenue service date of 2031. Maintaining that schedule requires clarity on the alignment for the downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16351.696750000001, "end": 16370.05675, "text": "Council now has the information needed to make that decision. Direction today allows administration to move beyond evaluating alternatives and focus on planning, design, and procurement to complete phase one while advancing work on the future phases of the program. At this point, clear direction is needed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16370.55675, "end": 16371.156750000002, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16373.696750000001, "end": 16384.57675, "text": "Future expansion remains a key objective of the Green Line program. Through engagement and public discussion, we repeatedly heard strong interest in connecting communities north and south of downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16385.67675, "end": 16395.71675, "text": "From the January 2025 Council direction, following a decision on the downtown segment, the intention was for council to direct our work on these future expansions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16396.47675, "end": 16405.73675, "text": "For the North Corridor, that means determining where future North service could begin and how it would connect into downtown and what investment would be required." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16406.09675, "end": 16416.156750000002, "text": "It shifts the focus away from sequentially building south to north, opening the door for more riders, for connecting more riders into downtown and the existing network sooner." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16417.03675, "end": 16425.75675, "text": "And for the extension from Shepherd to Seton, it means updating the previously completed functional plan to account for changes, including the construction of Stony Trail." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16427.05675, "end": 16438.336750000002, "text": "Beginning the next phase of North Corridor planning and updating the work for the Southeast expansion will ensure that the city is ready to respond when future funding opportunities arise. Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16440.016750000003, "end": 16450.91675, "text": "Administration is seeking direction from Executive Committee on the alignment for the downtown segment and authority to advance planning design and procurement activities for the selected option." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16451.67675, "end": 16462.23675, "text": "Administration is also seeking direction to advance planning and development of the North Corridor and to update planning for future Southeast extensions through upcoming business planning and budget processes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16463.376750000003, "end": 16472.41675, "text": "Today's presentation has shown that all three options are technically feasible and support future expansion of the Green Line Network. The distinction is in the trade-offs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16472.93675, "end": 16483.85675, "text": "After more than a decade of planning and study, Council now has the opportunity to provide direction on a clear path forward and a foundation for continued expansion of the network over time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16484.696750000003, "end": 16487.156750000002, "text": "We would be pleased to answer any questions you may have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16487.91675, "end": 16488.41675, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16489.03675, "end": 16490.81675, "text": "Alright, uh Vice Chair Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16492.89675, "end": 16539.93675, "text": "Thanks. I'll take the short straw of going first. I imagine questions I'm gonna ask are ones that several members have here and potentially the public as well. So forgive me. I think that when we first brought this forward uh as 10 new counselors, uh we were looking to see all the options that were available for downtown alignment. You're here with us today with three. Uh I know we met previously, and you provided me a package of options that had previously been looked at by the previous council, but for all of us who may not have seen that or the or for the public, can you maybe just outline for us quickly why are we only looking at three options today, not all the other options, and specifically a cut and cover uh uh type alignment along uh second street?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16541.696750000003, "end": 16547.17675, "text": "Sounds great. If I could just get um go back to slide 12, I believe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16548.31675, "end": 16550.61675, "text": "So really, as you noted, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16551.336750000002, "end": 16559.35675, "text": "There was a lot of options that were considered. I would say that the majority of those options did contain underground portions of the alignment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16559.97675, "end": 16571.95675, "text": "When we started down this path in the spring, after council gave us the direction, we did need to find a way to delineate quite quickly how we wanted to whittle that list down." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16572.71675, "end": 16613.29675, "text": "Some of those alignments were proven to not be technically feasible, so they were considered and then abandoned at some point. Some of them also exceeded various cost envelopes that were being considered at the time. And some of them didn't succeed based on political the political environment. And so when we really took a step back in the spring and looked at what mattered, it really showed up as the four bullets on the side of this screen. And I'm happy to walk through those again. But a big part of why we didn't bring forward anything pertaining to an underground alignment on 2nd Street was that that wasn't politically supported at this time by our funding partners." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16614.43675, "end": 16626.496750000002, "text": "Provincial government specifically. Sorry, I'm looking for clarity here because obviously 10 of us are new. The political environment here in council has certainly changed over the past year, but you're specifically talking about the funding partner being the provincial government, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 16626.55675, "end": 16627.03675, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16627.196750000003, "end": 16629.336750000002, "text": "Okay. Um can you maybe just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16630.21675, "end": 16637.05675, "text": "remind us of the overall project funding? Uh did I hear it correctly? 6.248? Is that the right number? Billion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 16637.05675, "end": 16637.89675, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16638.45675, "end": 16647.11675, "text": "Um and how much of that funding has already been allocated to the Southeast leg, i.e., is not up for debate here today on this decision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 16650.81675, "end": 16657.496750000002, "text": "So the entire envelope is for phase one, which does include the southeast and for downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 16658.016750000003, "end": 16683.336750000002, "text": "We have shared at a high level sort of a rough order of magnitude about what's in play for the downtown, which is around sort of that $900 million mark. The specificities it would be a little harder to share in public because that would be what our overall project estimate is on all of the contracts coming forward. But at a at a high level, that's about what we're playing with." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16683.45675, "end": 16702.11675, "text": "No, that that that's fair. And I think that that was kind of what we heard even if you were listening earlier in terms of the tariff conversation as well, that we understand that. I just wanted to get an idea. There's about 900 million that's left. But you had identified that option number one would require an additional $1 billion outside of what we currently have available, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16702.39675, "end": 16703.196750000003, "text": "That is correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16703.31675, "end": 16707.496750000002, "text": "And where would that money come from if we selected one uh option one today?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16707.91675, "end": 16712.35675, "text": "Based on our current funding agreement, that would need to be funded solely by the city of Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16712.97675, "end": 16720.13675, "text": "Okay, and for option number two, uh it says it requires an additional, correct me if I'm wrong here, $500 million. Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16720.23675, "end": 16720.73675, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16720.95675, "end": 16723.496750000002, "text": "Where would that money come from if we selected option two?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16723.89675, "end": 16724.59675, "text": "Same answer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16725.89675, "end": 16729.07675, "text": "Option number three can be done within the existing budget, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16730.13675, "end": 16730.59675, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16730.81675, "end": 16735.836750000002, "text": "And how much money would be left over if we chose option three for other incidentals?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16735.876750000003, "end": 16736.31675, "text": "Zero." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16736.996750000002, "end": 16748.39675, "text": "That would use the full up. Okay. Uh and I recognize the fact that taking a look at uh recommendations two and three, it's about budgeting it. Uh, but I'm wondering if you can maybe just give it a estimated cost for recommendation two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16750.13675, "end": 16750.81675, "text": "I have it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 16750.81675, "end": 16751.45675, "text": "Okay, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16752.376750000003, "end": 16754.59675, "text": "Do you mean for the full construction?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16755.03675, "end": 16764.11675, "text": "Uh no, to uh accomplish what it is that's outlined here in uh uh number uh uh uh recommendation two, which I think is the design and budgeting and all that sort of stuff." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16764.156750000002, "end": 16769.29675, "text": "Yes, I apologize. I don't have that number offhand. I think it's in the order of 20 to 30 million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16769.75675, "end": 16773.81675, "text": "Okay, and but we have no money left over if we select option three, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16774.016750000003, "end": 16774.79675, "text": "That is correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16774.79675, "end": 16776.31675, "text": "So where would that money come from?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16776.496750000002, "end": 16781.016750000003, "text": "That would we would be bringing forward that as part of the budget submission in November." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16781.17675, "end": 16791.196750000003, "text": "Okay, and then I guess same question for option three. I'm imagining the answer is the same. Uh what would the approximated cost for rec uh uh recommendation three to accomplish what you've outlined here?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16791.27675, "end": 16794.75675, "text": "Sorry, my estimate of 20 to 30 is for both option two and three together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16794.89675, "end": 16797.25675, "text": "Okay, do we have a breakdown between those two or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16797.336750000002, "end": 16799.996750000002, "text": "I can bring that forward. I apologize I didn't have that detail today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16799.996750000002, "end": 16801.61675, "text": "50-50, say-ish." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16801.656750000002, "end": 16803.89675, "text": "More on the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16805.75675, "end": 16807.29675, "text": "Yeah, we can go with 5050 today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 16808.63675, "end": 16828.13675, "text": "There's a lot more work that's already been done on the Southeast Council. So there is a full functional plan. And so it's really just about updating it. It's at a very different level of readiness, North Central Planning, and also looking at it from going from north into downtown would be a new approach to do it. So it would be different than some of the previously done work in 2021." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16828.43675, "end": 16848.43675, "text": "Okay. And I guess that sort of leads me to my next question here, which is just to just to clarify, none of the three options that we're looking at here today actually, or even recommendations two or three, provide any improved service to the north at any point in the funded foreseeable future. Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16850.13675, "end": 16852.09675, "text": "For LRT service? No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16854.516750000003, "end": 16860.63675, "text": "The six billion dollars on the project and no service improvement at all in the north, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 16860.63675, "end": 16871.196750000003, "text": "We have spent fi there was fifty million dollars allocated, um, of which uh has been spent down on improvements uh on the BRT uh network in the North Central." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16871.27675, "end": 16873.53675, "text": "That came from the green line budget specifically." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 16873.53675, "end": 16873.95675, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16874.75675, "end": 16876.97675, "text": "Okay, so 50 million out of our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 16877.17675, "end": 16878.25675, "text": "Six point two four eight." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16878.25675, "end": 16879.03675, "text": "0.24." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 16879.03675, "end": 16883.97675, "text": "So that was allocated in tw uh council direction in twenty twenty." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16884.57675, "end": 16886.13675, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16887.376750000003, "end": 16896.73675, "text": "Do we have an estimate for the the the cost of the utility uh relocations on 10th Avenue?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 16898.17675, "end": 16921.996750000002, "text": "No, not yet. We have begun conversations with Nmax, and there is a lot more work that needs to be done in that area. All three alignments go adjacent to their substation, which is located at 10th Avenue and I believe McLeod on the northeast corner. And so we do need to get into that work with them, but we don't have a budget estimate for that at this time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16922.29675, "end": 16930.55675, "text": "Have there been any other utility relocations on any of those previously planned routes that we're now no longer looking at?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 16930.89675, "end": 16958.07675, "text": "Yes, uh we completed the about line downtown utility relocation project and so we relocated the utilities from 11th Avenue when that was the previous alignment for tunneling and 11th Avenue and 2 Street Southwest. So the two street work is still very relevant for options one and three and would be needed to do that, but we have previously completed utility relocates." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16958.71675, "end": 16962.516750000003, "text": "And what was the overall cost for those relocations along that route?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 16962.696750000003, "end": 16974.13675, "text": "The specific cost of the utility relocation work was uh I believe about $150 million. The total cost of spend on the previous downtown alignment was $244 million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16974.89675, "end": 16995.25675, "text": "Uh is there any ability for us to recover any of those costs potentially from the province, seeing as they were the ones who sort of nullified that option or and and now by us taking like a 10th Avenue, it's uh it it's sort of been imposed by a decision of our funding partner. Is this a reasonable thing to to go back to them or have you had this conversation with them already?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 16995.39675, "end": 17001.836750000002, "text": "We have had that conversation in 2024, and that is not an option that is on the table." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17002.29675, "end": 17006.656750000002, "text": "And so just to confirm that $240 million, I guess that we the city" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17007.29675, "end": 17011.21675, "text": "$244, we've eaten that cost for those utility relocations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 17011.21675, "end": 17027.41675, "text": "That's not only the utility relocations, that's all the previous design work, that's everything associated with the old tunneling alignment, the two kilometers from the Elbow River all the way to Eau Claire. So that was all the work done to date, but we did have to calculate that as we moved to Windown and then the work through the provincial review." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17027.876750000003, "end": 17055.31675, "text": "Okay. I think those are the my questions for admin in terms of here. I'll I'll save it for debate, but your worship, I think that it's it's kind of obvious to me that options one and option two require money that we simply do not have uh and no plan for how to get that money, which makes it uh pretty obvious to me that uh we should be looking at option number three, and I'll let the rest of my council colleagues ask any questions, but I'm happy to bring that motion when the uh when the time's appropriate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 17056.09675, "end": 17056.93675, "text": "Okay, Councilor Yule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17060.29675, "end": 17063.016750000003, "text": "I've been around on this project for too long." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17063.516750000003, "end": 17063.93675, "text": "But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17064.53675, "end": 17066.53675, "text": "phase one envelope" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17067.13675, "end": 17068.73675, "text": "initially meant to go downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17069.496750000002, "end": 17070.45675, "text": "Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17071.43675, "end": 17072.53675, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17073.336750000002, "end": 17075.67675, "text": "as we wait, as we study, as we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17075.996750000002, "end": 17076.55675, "text": "wait" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17077.03675, "end": 17080.79675, "text": "year after year, the cost gets larger, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17081.21675, "end": 17081.57675, "text": "Mm-hmm." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17081.97675, "end": 17082.656750000002, "text": "And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17083.59675, "end": 17085.77675, "text": "delaying this any further would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17086.21675, "end": 17089.71675, "text": "Presumably cut the line even further" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17090.27675, "end": 17092.336750000002, "text": "if we don't make a decision today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17093.39675, "end": 17093.91675, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17094.75675, "end": 17102.27675, "text": "And today, the current envelope, as we've kind of gotten to, just gets us to 10th, basically." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17103.05675, "end": 17103.45675, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17106.57675, "end": 17108.376750000003, "text": "And I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17108.71675, "end": 17120.47675, "text": "from studies that I've seen from back all the way to 2016, if you don't get to Eau Claire, it becomes cost prohibitive to go north beyond there. Is that a fair assessment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 17121.656750000002, "end": 17124.21675, "text": "I I've never heard that assessment before, Councillor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17124.35675, "end": 17128.336750000002, "text": "It was from a 2016 report on the Green Line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17129.45675, "end": 17130.05675, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17132.07675, "end": 17135.43675, "text": "what is the what is the barrier" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17137.53675, "end": 17138.59675, "text": "to cutting it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17139.21675, "end": 17141.196750000003, "text": "You know, cut further south, sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17141.336750000002, "end": 17145.67675, "text": "Cut further south, go further in. What's the barrier that's stopping us there?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17146.89675, "end": 17164.196750000003, "text": "I think one of the things that would be important to mention is a requirement of our funding agreement was based on a certain degree of ridership being achieved. If we were to terminate the Southeast portion at Event Center and not progress further, we wouldn't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17164.79675, "end": 17169.996750000002, "text": "we would not be compliant or in alignment with that funding agreement, which would then put that funding at risk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17170.23675, "end": 17182.63675, "text": "No, I mean on the on the far south. We've got the um the shepherd yard there. That's I'm that's what I'm trying to get at is we have to go as far as the shepherd yard because that's the the MSF yard for this line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17182.656750000002, "end": 17183.55675, "text": "That is correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17185.21675, "end": 17195.496750000002, "text": "You can't really decouple this project because you'd need a MSF yard in the north. And so we have to go through downtown" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17196.27675, "end": 17199.95675, "text": "at some point of if we ever want to go north." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 17199.95675, "end": 17220.53675, "text": "There was always the intention in the full vision is to build two MSFs. So there would be one in the south and one in the north. So regardless of the phasing of um building Southeast Project, South Extension, going from north central into downtown, the plan was always to have um two MSFs. The one in Shepherd is not enough to support the full vision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17221.81675, "end": 17235.31675, "text": "And the the intended spot would be up in Nato C and Epi. That's been the ideal place for an MSF yard, which again, cost prohibitive to get all the way up there in a new project." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17235.63675, "end": 17236.97675, "text": "We are looking," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17237.39675, "end": 17262.55675, "text": "as we discussed, we are looking at different MSF sites that are more located further south than that location for exactly the reason that you said. And that would enable us to look at different phasing of the north. Putting an MSF in at the beginning of that work would also enable us to start in that location and come into downtown and not be reliant on the MSF at Shepherd and that connectivity with the Southeast immediately." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17262.93675, "end": 17263.336750000002, "text": "But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17263.81675, "end": 17270.31675, "text": "in concept, probably a lot more expensive being that, you know, NATO CNP is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17270.81675, "end": 17271.91675, "text": "city owned land." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17272.81675, "end": 17281.81675, "text": "We'd we'd have a lot of there's a lot more investigations, a lot more studies of the North that would take, again, many more years" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17282.05675, "end": 17287.97675, "text": "that the North really doesn't have, uh in my my opinion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17288.89675, "end": 17311.55675, "text": "Costs, so you talked um with uh counselor Kelly about costs on recommendations two and three need to be validated. Um I do have an amendment coming to to maybe bring those costs to the next uh executive committee. Does that timeline um work for for you guys to get a little bit more refined costs on on those recommendations?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17312.376750000003, "end": 17312.75675, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17314.95675, "end": 17315.93675, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17318.876750000003, "end": 17324.79675, "text": "I I guess um I do have that amendment. I I it would now be the appropriate time to to throw it up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 17324.97675, "end": 17327.876750000003, "text": "The the questions of admin admin haven't." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17327.876750000003, "end": 17330.27675, "text": "We can we can wait on that. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17331.55675, "end": 17332.156750000002, "text": "The" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17333.17675, "end": 17336.41675, "text": "BRT up North Central, we have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17337.57675, "end": 17338.57675, "text": "50 million" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17339.13675, "end": 17340.876750000003, "text": "from the 2020" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17341.53675, "end": 17343.09675, "text": "Green Line" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17344.07675, "end": 17346.39675, "text": "decision. How much have we used of that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17349.09675, "end": 17349.376750000003, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 17349.63675, "end": 17351.31675, "text": "We're on a game show, we're trying to buzz in and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17351.31675, "end": 17351.61675, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 17351.61675, "end": 17352.156750000002, "text": "answer at the same time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17352.156750000002, "end": 17358.45675, "text": "And do we have enough in that envelope to get all the way to Keystone Hills?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17360.77675, "end": 17388.89675, "text": "Given that I know what your amendment will say, I'm gonna give a sneak a peek. I do think that there's value in us coming back and sharing with council the investments that we've made to date, what Calgaryans can see from those investments, and what additional funding is required for us to complete that work with different goals in mind. I I would appreciate at that time that council lets us know what their goals are, and then that will help us inform what we put into the November budget submission." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17391.79675, "end": 17396.05675, "text": "Okay. And the 244 million" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17397.81675, "end": 17401.27675, "text": "That's been invested in 2nd Street. Does that include" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17402.016750000003, "end": 17405.11675, "text": "the subterranean rights we've purchased?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17405.45675, "end": 17409.39675, "text": "The the work we've done in Eaure. That's everything we've sucked into." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 17409.61675, "end": 17409.85675, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17410.11675, "end": 17410.496750000002, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17411.13675, "end": 17412.996750000002, "text": "244 million" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17413.67675, "end": 17417.836750000002, "text": "could have gone a lot further on a BRT up uh up Center Street," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17417.97675, "end": 17418.876750000003, "text": "uh perhaps?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17420.53675, "end": 17423.71675, "text": "We would encourage limiting the degree of redesign" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17423.93675, "end": 17426.196750000003, "text": "and the movement of utilities that are not required." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 17426.47675, "end": 17429.77675, "text": "Understood. Okay, that's all my questions. I do have an amendment when it's appropriate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 17431.55675, "end": 17433.09675, "text": "Councillor Panasopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17433.27675, "end": 17442.77675, "text": "Thanks so much. Thanks so much for the presentation and uh giving the information. Just wanted to pick up from some of my colleagues about costs, uh particularly funding partners and and funding" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17443.03675, "end": 17455.95675, "text": "Envelope. You mentioned ridership numbers. Do option one, two, and three meet the threshold as required? The 41,000, the 43,000, the 50 something or other thousand, or does there require a renegotiation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 17457.41675, "end": 17481.77675, "text": "We have been in discussions with our funding partners so that they are aware of the options that are coming forward. Following a recommendation from committee, we would be going back to both funding partners to seek written approval that they are supportive of the path forward, of the path forward, but at this point we have no indications that they would not be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17483.016750000003, "end": 17485.03675, "text": "So they gave that verbal in those meetings?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 17485.03675, "end": 17485.23675, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17485.23675, "end": 17485.63675, "text": "That" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17486.03675, "end": 17487.43675, "text": "okay. Okay, great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17488.07675, "end": 17496.49675, "text": "Um the same, uh if I recall, um green line has to connect, those are my words, uh, with red line and green line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17496.91675, "end": 17503.31675, "text": "Options blue excuse me, uh red line and blue line, thank you. Right, purple blink, all the colors. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17503.81675, "end": 17505.696750000003, "text": "is the plus fifteen connection" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17506.07675, "end": 17509.03675, "text": "getting onto golf and then walking over, is that sufficient" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17509.876750000003, "end": 17512.61675, "text": "to meet the criteria of the funding envelope?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17513.21675, "end": 17543.07675, "text": "So the criteria of connecting to the red and blue is really a placeholder for us to acknowledge that that is a key thing to encourage people to get on the train. We believe that the connection that we are envisioning through the Plus 15 network and through the street level enhancements will provide a strong, reliable, safe connection for pedestrians and that they will use that. And so we believe that the merit of connecting to red and blue is met through option three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17544.43675, "end": 17550.236750000004, "text": "So it is still a criteria of the funding envelope you must connect. And our argument is the walking" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17550.71675, "end": 17551.75675, "text": "through the plus fifteen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17551.97675, "end": 17552.31675, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17552.31675, "end": 17572.45675, "text": "Is sufficient, okay. So s I'm just going to certainty because my my final question goes to what if. Um and then not ending downtown, and and I'm not familiar with the definition of downtown for the agreement, but ending on 10th versus ending on 2nd Street or Claire somewhere is definitely not the traditional downtown as I think of it north of 9th. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17573.016750000003, "end": 17577.85675, "text": "is there does the funding envelope allow for us to stop at 10th and 2nd" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17578.53675, "end": 17583.17675, "text": "and still meet the criteria, or is there another renegotiation required with our funding partners?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 17583.236750000004, "end": 17624.836750000002, "text": "So the way that the business case was written and business case is the funding agreement for our ISIP funding is that the word downtown was used so that it allowed for flexibility between prescribing 7th Avenue, Eau Claire, you know, a specific station name. The goal was really about that connection to the red and blue line in ridership. And so without it being prescribing that downtown is a pin on a map, it was really about what it delivers. And so, as Director Huber said, with the connection to the plus 15, that couple of blocks of walkability, how we're doing that, it is our belief that we would be meeting the conditions of the funding agreement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17624.836750000002, "end": 17625.11675, "text": "Got it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17625.516750000003, "end": 17628.53675, "text": "It's open to discretion. Maybe just walk through um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17628.89675, "end": 17631.736750000004, "text": "if we go back to the feds in the province and we say" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17632.656750000002, "end": 17634.656750000002, "text": "Or three points, and they say no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17637.09675, "end": 17640.556750000003, "text": "The recommendation doesn't really have an out clause saying," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17641.736750000004, "end": 17647.056750000003, "text": "you know, we're just gonna go guns ablazing, talk through that. If they support it fully, it's pretty transparent what we're gonna do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17647.47675, "end": 17660.93675, "text": "What's the thoughts, and is there any benefit to have a moment's pause just in case uh something happens? Because we said it here any funding cost is our responsibility, and there's just not budget or I'd suggest appetite." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 17661.556750000003, "end": 17696.016750000003, "text": "For sure. So as we've gone through this before, that if our funding partners do not agree with the path forward, that's where we come back to council because the city on its own cannot afford this project. And so we'll be coming back for a different discussion and decision on that. But the work over the last couple of months and supported by members of this council and mayor as well is to have had those informal conversations so that we are standing before you with something that we do believe that our funding partners are willing to support. But of course, that is not certain until we get that letter in our hands." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17696.03675, "end": 17726.81675, "text": "Just maybe you know maybe finally we made three recommendations and it says it aligns with the funding envelope. Two of the three clearly don't. One's a billion over, one's half a billion over. So there's really only one. So why did you differentiate those two versus the other 22? If it clearly was those other 22 would have exceeded the cost, why not show that? Or and I'll ask that first, and then why not just show the one that actually meets these four criteria? Why cloud it with one and two when it clearly goes outside of your, I won't call it scope, but your decision matrix? Just trying to reconcile that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17727.95675, "end": 17757.75675, "text": "We were asked to bring back options is the main reason why we didn't bring back one solution. We wanted to demonstrate the work and the choices the council could make. Council also didn't direct us to stay within funding envelope. We know that that is a primary requirement in all the conversations, but we've never received formal direction that any option that we considered had to. I will say that it is quite well understood that cheapest at grade." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17758.11675, "end": 17771.17675, "text": "More costly, elevated, very much more costly underground. As I noted before, the majority of the alignments that we considered did have an underground component to them, and the vast majority of them would have been higher than what you're seeing today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17772.03675, "end": 17777.95675, "text": "Got it. Yeah, I just it was clear it aligns with funding envelope. Look, three makes a lot of sense for a bunch of reasons, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17778.81675, "end": 17787.41675, "text": "it's something to take up take up later. Maybe maybe finally just attachment five, option one, two, and three, and the cost. And we spent a lot of time, and I think a lot of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17788.056750000003, "end": 17797.45675, "text": "conversations I've had with Calgarians and other council members is yes, this is the one that aligns with the cost. And number one is the most flushed out. That's a fair one point seven billion. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17797.696750000003, "end": 17800.67675, "text": "we have a higher confidence interval. Um, I guess." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17801.07675, "end": 17804.41675, "text": "Engineers would talk about different class levels. So we know that it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17805.056750000003, "end": 17806.11675, "text": "a billion over budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17806.81675, "end": 17808.89675, "text": "Option two, a little more clarity. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17809.35675, "end": 17811.77675, "text": "then option three is class five. Class five is plus" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17812.17675, "end": 17813.17675, "text": "100 minus 50." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17816.85675, "end": 17819.17675, "text": "What confidence do we have that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17819.77675, "end": 17828.75675, "text": "we just experienced a billion dollar overrun? And I I that's great. Let's find it out now versus during construction. Half a billion for two. That number three isn't going to be 1.8 billion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17829.75675, "end": 17835.29675, "text": "What confidence on a class five making recommendation? What do we have? How do we get comfort? Is there any?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17836.17675, "end": 17840.45675, "text": "That we're not going to be faced with a a dollar over whatever the cost overrun is. Uh given that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 17840.45675, "end": 17884.47675, "text": "So I can't totally guarantee the cost, but I can tell you about the process that we went through. And so the estimating team on the Southeast project, we looked at because that is what we're building for the majority of the Southeast, is uh surface grade and uh surface LRT. So we looked at on the contracts that had been coming in, looking at the work of our delivery partner on unit rates and pieces to build up an estimate that we felt would work. And so we we were informed by the work, current work underway on the Southeast, both real costs and that estimate which we have shared, and then extrapolated that data based on what we knew at this very limited design stage, and that's where we came up with it from." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 17885.016750000003, "end": 17896.17675, "text": "I might also mention that all of these are class five estimates. We do have a greater degree of confidence in option one, but I would not call it anything more than a class five estimate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17896.29675, "end": 17900.77675, "text": "Actually, thanks for that. Thanks for that clarity. That's that's important. I was under the impression one was more flushed out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17901.156750000002, "end": 17901.836750000002, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17902.336750000002, "end": 17909.09675, "text": "and and and maybe finally gask at every Green Line meeting, uh, you know, slide seven about the costs. And we've held that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17909.25675, "end": 17918.056750000003, "text": "6.248 billion since the beginning of time. And you know, we just had uh a billion dollar through hard work uh over budget option one," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17918.31675, "end": 17921.17675, "text": "five hundred billion, or five hundred million, excuse me, option two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17921.67675, "end": 17930.41675, "text": "And and we hold our costs flat on slide seven, and we're you know less than three months away from having our 1.5 billion of estimates." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17931.41675, "end": 17932.81675, "text": "As we stand now today," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17933.25675, "end": 17938.196750000003, "text": "based on experience, all that, we still hold a comfort. A year ago, I guess it was a year away. Now we're literally" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17938.696750000003, "end": 17940.45675, "text": "tenders are probably going out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17942.196750000003, "end": 17947.196750000003, "text": "I'm sure price of steel and all the good inputs. We still have a high level of confidence." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17948.236750000004, "end": 17965.03675, "text": "We're at this 2.4 because part of the reason we're choosing three, we may choose three as a recommendation, is the 800 million of envelope funding available. So just maybe just speak a bit about that. We just saw billion dollar costs, we just heard from your colleagues about $400 million of tariff, etc. Just the confidence of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 17965.53675, "end": 17968.17675, "text": "that we'll know in three months that we know today making this decision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 17968.57675, "end": 17973.59675, "text": "Council, if there's no objection, we will uh hear an answer to that question, then we'll start rubric." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 17974.57675, "end": 17975.45675, "text": "Seeing no objection." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 17975.45675, "end": 18056.67675, "text": "Perfect. Good. So as of today, and how are the tenders are coming back according to our estimates, things are looking to be on track. We have a number of very large packages that are in market this fall. And so as I mentioned earlier, by Q4 and into Q1, we'll really know where those forecasts are. On $400 million packages, it doesn't take a lot to swing prices. And so that's why really making sure that through our confidential commercial meetings with all of our proponents that we're hearing how they're feeling about the risk allocation, what we've got right, what we haven't, is the city better positioned to take it on? We don't need our contractors pricing and risk unnecessarily for us. And so we're constantly tweaking and amending things to make sure we do strike that right balance. But there out of the grand scheme of all of the projects, it would be premature to say, yes, for sure. The timing of these decisions has never aligned well with the procurement schedule. And because we did push it back a bit, so we were going to market with full 100% issued for construction drawings, that did delay it a little bit more. So I would love to give you a more confident answer. First few packages, things are are going well, but proof will be in the pudding as we as we move forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 18057.07675, "end": 18058.49675, "text": "Okay, we'll be back at 347." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 19926.4585625, "end": 19929.4385625, "text": "Welcome back to executive committee. Um, madam clerk, please call the roll." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19930.6385625, "end": 19933.0185625, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Chabot," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19933.2785625, "end": 19934.2985625, "text": "Councillor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19934.558562500002, "end": 19935.7785625, "text": "Counselor Dolly Wall," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19936.7785625, "end": 19938.0185625, "text": "Counselor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19938.2585625, "end": 19940.378562500002, "text": "Counselor Johnston, Councillor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 19940.538562499998, "end": 19940.8385625, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19941.0985625, "end": 19942.0785625, "text": "Counselor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19944.058562500002, "end": 19945.5985625, "text": "Councillor Pentazopoulos," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19945.858562499998, "end": 19946.7585625, "text": "Counselor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19947.2985625, "end": 19948.4585625, "text": "Counselor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19948.8385625, "end": 19949.858562499998, "text": "Counselor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19950.378562500002, "end": 19951.558562500002, "text": "Counselor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19952.0185625, "end": 19952.9985625, "text": "Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19953.6385625, "end": 19954.7585625, "text": "Counselor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19955.2785625, "end": 19956.3185625, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 19957.3985625, "end": 19957.858562499998, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 19958.1385625, "end": 19958.4985625, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 19959.1585625, "end": 19962.1985625, "text": "All right. Uh the floor was still yours, Councilor Prennes upload." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 19962.1985625, "end": 19964.4385625, "text": "I'm all done. Thank you so much for the presentation. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 19965.4385625, "end": 19969.738562500002, "text": "All right, colleagues, uh I'm going to go to Councillor Kelly to move the item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 19971.8985625, "end": 19978.418562500003, "text": "Uh thank you very much, Borship. Uh clerks, I think you have uh an alternate that I'd like to move here. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 19979.918562500003, "end": 19981.0185625, "text": "committee, it's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 19981.5985625, "end": 19989.418562500003, "text": "pretty plain to me. Um we don't have the money for option number one, we don't have the money for option number two, so I'd like to just move this as option number three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 19990.5985625, "end": 19993.6585625, "text": "And I'll wait for the text to appear on the screen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 19995.3985625, "end": 20018.538562499998, "text": "Uh I think it maybe I will is just a little bit more of an open. Uh this has been a long road. It's taken us a long time to be able to get to this point, and a huge amount of thanks to the entire uh both administration and the Green Line team, specifically both the current Green Line team and past Green Line teams as well, that we're finally arriving at a decision about how to be able to get uh this line into downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 20018.9985625, "end": 20026.4385625, "text": "Um, but I also want to recognize the fact that uh we're not done here. Uh this is uh option number three preserves." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 20027.038562499998, "end": 20073.0185625, "text": "The best possible options for us moving forward with being able to get the line through downtown into the north. Well, I used to say this to my kids, it was like you you can't always have the option that you want. Sometimes that option is not available to you, and you have to you have to pick from the next best option. And uh, I mean, for me personally, obviously some sort of cut and cover on 2nd Street would have been my top option, but that's not an option that's available to us right now. And so as a result uh of the of the options that are available to us, I think option number three outlines that the most. And I I hope that my colleagues uh will agree uh on that front. And uh I'll call that opened and happy to answer any questions on closed if need be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 20073.9985625, "end": 20076.238562500002, "text": "All right, that's on the table. Counselor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20079.038562499998, "end": 20082.418562500003, "text": "Um just some further questions. Uh the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20083.1385625, "end": 20095.6185625, "text": "In terms of actually these recommendations, the prioritization, so we we've got other elements of this project more broadly, the southern expansion to Seton, the piece getting through downtown" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20095.9785625, "end": 20098.2185625, "text": "North Corridor," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20099.7185625, "end": 20118.5185625, "text": "getting the train up the North Corridor. What's the prioritization here? Like how when we're looking at pursuing funding, talking about this project, if we are looking at other levels of government and how we're talking about the future of this project, how are we prioritizing the various pieces?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20123.4385625, "end": 20123.6185625, "text": "Oh." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20123.6185625, "end": 20124.2985625, "text": "That's on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20124.4985625, "end": 20181.678562499997, "text": "Oh, we would look for council's direction on that prioritization. And we can bring back what we have in any of our progress updates that we have that are occurring quarterly. From a resourcing standpoint, my team will be focusing both on the north and the south. As Wendy noted previously, the work on the south is in a much more advanced condition. So there isn't going to be a lot of resourcing needing to be spent to get that to a point where it's ready for us to seek funding. For the North, it is a bit more intentional for us to take a bit of a deeper dive on it to position it well for funding. So from a readiness perspective, which I think would factor into the prioritization, we would be looking to position the Southeast extension for funding. It doesn't mean that it's higher priority. I just think it will be ready sooner. And then we would work with council on understanding how they might want to phase the North and then get that ready for funding as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20182.738562500002, "end": 20183.558562500002, "text": "And downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20184.2585625, "end": 20194.5185625, "text": "I when I talk about north, I do talk about the connection into downtown. So to me, those are combined. We would have to any work that we're doing on the north, we have to understand where we're going to be terminating." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20196.4385625, "end": 20204.7985625, "text": "And we do need to spend some time thinking about where that would be, but we would bring that entire body of work back and ask council's direction on phasing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20205.6185625, "end": 20207.058562500002, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20208.6585625, "end": 20238.678562499997, "text": "We've been putting a lot of effort into our downtown working on in terms of tax productivity, livability, all these kinds of pieces. And I guess from sort of like a downtown strategy lens, what have you, the different options and sort of, I mean it's in that chart to a certain degree, but just the impacts sort of from a future of our downtown perspective and how these different pieces line up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20239.238562500002, "end": 20244.1585625, "text": "I'm going to invite our director of downtown strategies, Tom Mahler, up to speak to that item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20250.1985625, "end": 20266.6385625, "text": "Yes, thanks for the question, Counselor Atkinson. And the way uh I've looked at this and been involved in discussions with the with the team is that probably the the the biggest challenge we have right now for downtown success is the uncertainty of what's gonna happen here. And so a decision on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20266.878562500002, "end": 20320.8385625, "text": "Where the line is going to go will allow investment to figure out how they want to proceed next. All of the options have have merit that you can build on. The one that has the least impact in the short term, though, is in my view is the is option three that allows us to serve the belt line in a very meaningful way, which is part of our greater downtown. I think that's a really great benefit. And then not having the disruption in the office core where we are putting a significant considerable amount of investment, private and public investment, this helps address that short term concern. But as we go into the future, I think you know, depending on how detailed designs work, they would need to continue to be refined so that we have the most benefit from whichever alignment that council chooses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20321.3385625, "end": 20321.878562500002, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20322.418562500003, "end": 20356.678562499997, "text": "Any thoughts around, and this might be in your wheelhouse too, just that connectivity piece. So we are looking, if we stop it here, and we were we're, you know, yes, the belt line is a part of the greater downtown strategy, but also like the commercial core is obviously an activation point for the arts, for uh it's a it's a major employment center. Any concerns around uh that lack of connectivity into downtown and sort of the impacts on that on the project and what we can do to shore that up if we go forward with option three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20357.0785625, "end": 20400.4985625, "text": "Sure. I think for me the most important thing that was in the report was that heat map of where the pedestrian activity and concentration of where we're trying to get to, that was the most critical. So I think for any interconnectivity, you need to get towards the center of gravity of downtown, which is where those dark plus 15s are. That was only the plus 15, but that's also where the street level activity is as well. And option three definitely gets us the closest to that point with an option of connecting. The other options, I think you saw it in some of the comments too, from uh some of the groups the further east you go, the less connected you are to the office core, which is where a lot of your ridership drives from. So the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20400.7785625, "end": 20426.4385625, "text": "The real key, I I've actually said this before. Sometimes it's nice to have things a little bit disconnected in your downtown core because it makes people walk and they might stop and do something else and as they transfer for their trip, which is very typical in most cities. You don't get on a train in one spot and go to your destination. You do have to transfer at some point, and that's what creates some of that energy and some of the pedestrian activity that we are trying to generate within the downtown core." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20427.8185625, "end": 20446.2985625, "text": "You touched on the pedestrian heat map, which yeah, uh that's one of my questions that page seventeen of the presentation. It i my understanding is it's that's plus fifteens, but you you mentioned there that it maps pretty close to what we see on at street level. Is that is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20446.2985625, "end": 20470.858562499998, "text": "For sure. Like when you look at where the the concentration of the core shopping center is and the real density of restaurants and retail, it's definitely that that second street to 5th Street is that real shopping core, actually, probably more First Street, all the way to Fifth Street. So that's that that is where you see that activity in the evenings and on weekends as well, and that's where investment continues to be interested in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20471.178562499997, "end": 20482.878562500002, "text": "Okay. And then if we're do using a plus 15 to connect people over um over the the tracks and in into the plus 15 network, how um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20483.2985625, "end": 20496.2585625, "text": "that that network is not always available in the same ways that sidewalks are. I'm wondering about how we can sort of maintain the public access and the sort of the availability. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20496.878562500002, "end": 20503.3185625, "text": "To to a degree that that matches what people's expectations would be using transit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20503.8985625, "end": 20541.9385625, "text": "That's one of the key design challenges in downto our downtown in general. We have two very active levels of pedestrian movement, plus 15 and uh at street level. And if you walk around, both need investment. Our street level needs to be enhanced, and I think having a sense of where we need to enhance the street level is a real win because it's very easy to get distracted with investment of where the biggest challenges might be of the day. But having a line on a map saying this is where pedestrians are now going to go, given the transit connectivity, allows us to prioritize where those improvements really need to be done over time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20542.4985625, "end": 20559.1185625, "text": "Okay. Okay. And then I guess this is more towards the project team. It was originally you had done the work, 11th Avenue was was the original proposal. Why the change to 10th AV with the change to an at grade alignment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20559.358562499998, "end": 20579.038562499998, "text": "Um, sure. So a a couple of reasons. Um first was um really came from the province not supporting the tunnel, and they proposed back a new alignment for us. Um one of the conditions that the province set was that we needed to align with the um provincial um mail." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20579.5785625, "end": 20613.7785625, "text": "No, rail master. Massenger Rail Master Plan. Rail Master Plan. And um and so the station location around the event center Grand Central Station is in that corridor in alignment with 10th Avenue. And the alignment that they had proposed, the 10th and 2nd, um, was down there. And so that's where it stayed. The actual logistics, technically, there's always possible solutions to be able to move it from 10th all the way back up to 11th, but the only way to do that would involve an underground component. Um, and so that was off the table. So it kept us in that 10th Avenue corridor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20614.3185625, "end": 20614.8385625, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20615.378562500002, "end": 20617.8385625, "text": "Any thoughts on sort of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20618.6985625, "end": 20645.3185625, "text": "How I guess how do we make sure that that this project doesn't just turn into the station, the tracks, and is actually looking at that broader connectivity. Transit is meant to deliver people places. How do we make sure that we don't just dead end it or can make the connection into the plus 15 from uh the second street station and and that we actually sort of get people to the destination that they're trying to use transit to get to?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20645.6585625, "end": 20650.1985625, "text": "I think it's critical for part of our work" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20650.878562500002, "end": 20670.7985625, "text": "to consider really the public realm and the streetscape and really that mobility integration amongst. I would say the if if we're talking about option three specifically, it would really be the extension along that 10th Avenue corridor. We need to create an environment where this isn't." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20672.038562499998, "end": 20688.358562499998, "text": "Something where it's just all about the train getting into the street, but rather it's about creating an area that's vibrant, that now has good transit access, and that people can then exit the train wherever they choose to exit it and have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20688.6385625, "end": 20705.7785625, "text": "micromobility uh connections, either north or south or west, uh, into the areas that they want to use as their ultimate destination. But the goal isn't that here's 10th Avenue, there's the station, but rather this is the area that we have uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20705.9785625, "end": 20707.4785625, "text": "Brought together and brought to life." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 20707.9585625, "end": 20744.2185625, "text": "If I might add, I think it's one of the advantages of the decision the city made last year to bring the project inside infrastructure services so that they aren't project and then the rest of the city, so that as we're moving forward on construction, colleagues across infrastructure services planning and other areas can really look at that holistic approach, which really meets that overall vision of that four layers of planning that uh really informed the green line vision. And it was that it was always to intended to be much more than the transit infrastructure that my team is building, and how do we do more? So it fits very well in the vision." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20744.858562499998, "end": 20759.8385625, "text": "And and funding-wise, obviously that's a big piece of today, but the funding for that pedestrian public realm, those kinds of improvements to get people from the train station into the core, wherever, are those considered a part of this project?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20760.3385625, "end": 20761.4385625, "text": "We do" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20761.6385625, "end": 20784.9785625, "text": "feel that those are part of this project at this time. We think that the success of option three is reliant on high quality, safe connections into the various mobility choices. I think that as the work progresses, more details will emerge as to what Wendy's team is putting together, and we will bring back the costs associated with all of that to council at a future date once more details are known." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20785.4585625, "end": 20785.7985625, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20787.418562500003, "end": 20809.178562499997, "text": "Um I'll just quickly go into debate. Um I this is the only option that I can support. Anything elevated in downtown is a downtown killer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20809.9585625, "end": 20833.3385625, "text": "Build this place up to make sure that this is a place that people want to use transit to come to. So the only option really on the table is this option three. So I'll be supporting that. I have concerns about sort of the um the push into a southeast extension and then and the phasing of the north." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 20834.038562499998, "end": 20873.918562500003, "text": "With the bundling in of downtown being seen as the phasing of the north, the downtown is the piece that makes the south work just the same as it makes the north work. We need to continue to work at prioritizing getting this further properly into our downtown and setting it up for that expansion into the north. So that's that's a piece that I have a bit of concern about is just making sure that we're not pursuing the easy things to do, and we're actually doing the hard things that then unlock the potential of the rest of this project. But I'll end my time there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 20875.0785625, "end": 20877.0985625, "text": "All right, Counselor uh McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20877.4585625, "end": 20878.0785625, "text": "Thanks, Brennan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20878.538562499998, "end": 20881.4385625, "text": "Um, thanks for the presentation. Once again," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20882.0785625, "end": 20883.9785625, "text": "uh little bit of debate, one question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20884.4385625, "end": 20887.8985625, "text": "I think we've all talked this out. We know the number three is the only way to go." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20888.3985625, "end": 20889.238562500002, "text": "Is we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20889.5185625, "end": 20893.3385625, "text": "the one where we can get our funding, we have to go to town to get our funding." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20893.738562500002, "end": 20896.0185625, "text": "No one likes the tunneling, or they maybe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20896.378562500002, "end": 20897.7585625, "text": "be above grade." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20898.378562500002, "end": 20899.3985625, "text": "The uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20899.738562500002, "end": 20901.8385625, "text": "the ridership numbers well, and we can't go" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20902.1185625, "end": 20905.5785625, "text": "we don't have another billion or two dollars to do anything different. This is within budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20906.1385625, "end": 20912.2585625, "text": "Uh and my comments on like the ridership numbers being lower, I think once people realize they've got a beautiful station to get over by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20913.0185625, "end": 20914.4785625, "text": "uh on tenth and second," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20915.1185625, "end": 20916.378562500002, "text": "they'll it's not a it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20916.678562499997, "end": 20917.5785625, "text": "plus fifteen," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20917.7185625, "end": 20922.538562499998, "text": "couple block walk. If you want to come downtown and stop at the Stampede Grounds, it's just a couple block walk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20922.9385625, "end": 20926.6585625, "text": "Every other city in the world, major city, they do this, and then I think once you realize" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20927.038562499998, "end": 20928.7985625, "text": "That gets you downtown. You're going to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20929.0185625, "end": 20930.4985625, "text": "those numbers are going to go up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20931.2185625, "end": 20935.5985625, "text": "My only question then is with this alignment McLeod Intent, I think I've brought it up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20936.3385625, "end": 20939.0785625, "text": "We have to make sure that's the one place we cross over." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20939.238562500002, "end": 20943.1385625, "text": "And so I don't know if it's not built into here, but I want to see something that comes back" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20943.9985625, "end": 20945.7985625, "text": "with that synchronization," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20945.9785625, "end": 20949.7585625, "text": "preferably where the vehicle stops for the train. So maybe you can speak to that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20951.3185625, "end": 20954.7985625, "text": "We have some degree of detail on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 20955.038562499998, "end": 20982.5785625, "text": "how that might function, but a lot more work needs to occur on understanding the mobility impacts, but understanding the operational or infrastructure mitigations that we can use to mitigate the impacts. But absolutely, that's something that we can bring back to council at our quarterly updates as we learn. We will share that with council. We will say now at this point, we don't see it necessarily as a showstopper, but it will have a degree of impact that we're all going to have to understand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20983.1985625, "end": 20983.538562499998, "text": "perfectly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20984.238562500002, "end": 20989.4985625, "text": "Well, it's not perfect, but I used to tell my kids that this wise old philosopher Mick Jagger would say." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20990.0185625, "end": 20991.5785625, "text": "You can't always get what you want." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20992.0785625, "end": 20993.9585625, "text": "But you can ask sometimes you might find you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20994.2985625, "end": 20995.4985625, "text": "you get what you need, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20996.058562500002, "end": 20996.3185625, "text": "Huh." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20997.038562499998, "end": 20997.5985625, "text": "Let's vote for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20997.918562500003, "end": 20999.9785625, "text": "Let's vote for option three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21001.7185625, "end": 21002.8985625, "text": "All right, Councilor Dallavell, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21003.6585625, "end": 21004.4585625, "text": "Thank you. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21004.678562499997, "end": 21008.378562500002, "text": "my question is passenger rail station. Is it part of the scope?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 21009.5785625, "end": 21009.9385625, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21010.7185625, "end": 21011.7585625, "text": "Who's gonna pay for that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 21011.878562500002, "end": 21020.0985625, "text": "The passenger rail station, otherwise known as Grand Central Station, is a provincial plan that the province would pay for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21020.238562500002, "end": 21025.378562500002, "text": "And Green Line Station is not gonna be embedded into that, it's gonna stand alone station." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 21025.6585625, "end": 21041.738562500002, "text": "Yep, they're going to be adjacent to one another with as much connection as we can provide with two stations that are in two separate facilities and buildings. But the goal is that they are co located, if you will, but not the same infrastructure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21042.1585625, "end": 21055.038562499998, "text": "Great. My other question is my understanding going through this, these iterations for last four and a half years, one of the conditions provincially, federally, more so provincially was blue line, green line," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21055.9985625, "end": 21058.678562499997, "text": "red line eventually coming to one stop." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21059.2985625, "end": 21061.1185625, "text": "But it's not in option three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21062.0985625, "end": 21065.538562499998, "text": "Is that gonna be a problem when we go to the province?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21065.9785625, "end": 21069.3985625, "text": "Or you guys have already vetted this with the province and they're okay with it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 21070.5785625, "end": 21088.7185625, "text": "Yeah, I don't want to speak uh for the province, but I can just share that um the province knows all of the options and uh that there is comfort in us presenting them to council as options that they would support. But we will be seeking formal confirmation from the province pending decision from council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21089.0185625, "end": 21090.858562499998, "text": "Okay. And same with the feds." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 21090.878562500002, "end": 21093.378562500002, "text": "Correct. Yeah, and and have met with them as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21093.5785625, "end": 21107.678562499997, "text": "Okay. My last, second last question is yours, it says within available funding envelope. We have done zero engineering. How confident are you that it will be within uh funding envelope?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 21108.5785625, "end": 21110.5185625, "text": "We haven't done zero engineering." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 21111.2185625, "end": 21139.678562499997, "text": "We have done enough engineering to derive a class five cost estimate, which we previously noted is plus 100 minus 50%. So we have as much confidence as a class five estimate. We know that things are going to come to light and that number will be refined, as will things like our procurement activities or how we're going to be constructing it. So as our work progresses and more engineering and planning is done and designed, that number will be refined." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21139.8985625, "end": 21144.8385625, "text": "Okay. Because you just uh answered to Council Yule's request of bringing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21145.1185625, "end": 21150.6185625, "text": "more robust or refined cost estimate in the next executive meeting. Going," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21150.858562499998, "end": 21154.2985625, "text": "that's to me, you you were very confident saying, yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21155.3185625, "end": 21159.378562500002, "text": "How much faith can we put into that estimate then compared to where we are today?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 21160.5985625, "end": 21168.9385625, "text": "Counselor Ewell and I had a conversation last week about an amendment that he hasn't brought forward yet. My comments were specific to the amendment. My apologies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21169.7185625, "end": 21170.2185625, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 21170.378562500002, "end": 21171.3985625, "text": "Not specific to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 21171.358562499998, "end": 21175.358562499998, "text": "Related to the planning work, not the overall project construction costs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21175.418562500003, "end": 21180.038562499998, "text": "Oh, okay, perfect. That good. Thanks for the clarification." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21180.2985625, "end": 21188.2985625, "text": "No, I think it is what it is. My biggest concern again is going through this iteration is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21189.9985625, "end": 21191.8385625, "text": "there's so many unknowns still out there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21192.7185625, "end": 21197.1185625, "text": "And us committing to an option and then coming back in six months, hopefully not," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21197.9385625, "end": 21200.918562500003, "text": "and now asking for other options to this option," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21201.9385625, "end": 21205.4585625, "text": "that's gonna be problematic. So again," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21206.0985625, "end": 21207.1585625, "text": "Reluctantly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21207.4985625, "end": 21212.5985625, "text": "I will support today, though I don't want to support this, any of this, but I will listen to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21213.538562499998, "end": 21217.7785625, "text": "close and hope and look forward to supporting this if I can. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21218.9385625, "end": 21219.9585625, "text": "All right, Councilor Yule, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21221.3385625, "end": 21221.9985625, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21222.9785625, "end": 21226.1385625, "text": "yeah, we could throw that amendment up uh of mine." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21226.3185625, "end": 21236.538562499998, "text": "Now, um, just some preamble. I've I've been an advocate for the Green Line for over a decade now, and so I've watched every little iteration, every little thing, and I've watched it go from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21237.038562499998, "end": 21238.2185625, "text": "North Point" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21238.4385625, "end": 21240.0785625, "text": "down to 16th Ave," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21240.5185625, "end": 21245.1185625, "text": "down to Eau Clair, down to 7th, and now down to 10th. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21246.238562500002, "end": 21250.418562500003, "text": "I see option three um as the best of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21251.1585625, "end": 21253.2585625, "text": "three very challenging." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21253.9785625, "end": 21268.3185625, "text": "Um options ahead of us. So I I will support because it's really if we wait longer, it'll be at the event center. If we wait longer, it'll be in Inglewood. Like we have to, we have to we have to establish this project now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21268.6185625, "end": 21271.418562500003, "text": "And as begrudgingly as I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21272.1985625, "end": 21277.0185625, "text": "I'm gonna say it, we we have to go with option three. That being said, it really" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21277.858562499998, "end": 21285.8985625, "text": "it puts North back on the back burner, which it's been for many, many, many years. And so my amendment here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21286.5985625, "end": 21371.378562500002, "text": "Is to ask administration to come back in the next executive committee. They have done a lot of work in what is it going to cost us to do a fulsome BRT up North Central to get to Keystone Hills. This is extremely important to my like North doesn't need more studies, it needs more service. It's the one thing that I get lambasted with email after email that we are trying to have a primary network on a max green line, a max green BRT that isn't really a max yet. And so we need to do the investment to get it to be a max while we're trying to figure out what happens with LRT in the north. So I'm glad there's options. So that we can look at the comparison of how much it costs us to get up to Keystone Hills with a Folsom BRT and the work that we still need to do on the North. So I hope I can get your support on this amendment so that we can tell Northerners that we are still working hard to make sure that they have service over decades and decades of studies. So please hope I can get your support." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21372.038562499998, "end": 21376.5785625, "text": "Alright, if you want to talk on Councillor Yule's amendment, uh go in the chat. Counselor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21378.358562499998, "end": 21382.6385625, "text": "Yeah, huge thank you to Council Yule for bringing this forward. Uh colleagues," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21383.9385625, "end": 21389.6585625, "text": "this has been a very long, long process on the Green Line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21390.2185625, "end": 21409.8985625, "text": "And as a result, Center Street specifically through Ward 4 and Ward 7 as well, up to Harvest Hills and Ward 3, have kind of been sitting waiting for a decision to be made. What's going to happen? There are lots of landowners along there that have questions, and more importantly, there's neighbors who have questions about." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21410.2985625, "end": 21427.0785625, "text": "When am I gonna have an actual regular bus that's reliable and can get downtown quickly? I think the thinking originally when we first put together the original business case for the Green Line was exactly that, that we would uh we're getting a green line. We don't need to worry about the BRT." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21427.5985625, "end": 21452.418562500003, "text": "Green Line's not coming to the North anytime soon. We know we can't even get it to uh Eau Claire with the amount of money that we currently have. As a result, this is I think a well-warranted uh uh amendment brought forward by Councilor Ewell for us to consider it in here uh because uh I think it's important that we deliver at least some of the promise of the full green line uh to the Calgarians in the north because uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21452.6185625, "end": 21463.538562499998, "text": "they've been on this merry-go-round for a very long time and uh deserve a little bit of uh uh a little bit of love coming their way when we've spent six billion dollars to go south." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21464.1585625, "end": 21476.9985625, "text": "And as we heard earlier, $50 million so far in the North. I think we got a ways to go, and let's get some answers in terms of what that would actually look like in order to be able to provide that level of service. Because as Counselor Yule said," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21477.4585625, "end": 21490.238562500002, "text": "it's not even a MAX BRT yet. It is, it does not have the same level of service that the other MAX lines have. And so yeah, I appreciate you bringing this forward and happy to support it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21491.918562500003, "end": 21493.418562500003, "text": "Councillor Dallywell, please, on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21493.418562500003, "end": 21498.358562499998, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. Thank you for uh giving me an opportunity. I'll be supporting this amendment. I just want to say" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 21498.7185625, "end": 21509.058562500002, "text": "my last questioning, nothing against you guys. You you guys did an amazing work. Thank you for all the hard work. It was more of a comment to external factors that we control. Just wanted to clarify that. Thank you. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21510.2585625, "end": 21512.2985625, "text": "Alright, over to close, Councilor Yule, on this amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21513.0785625, "end": 21517.418562500003, "text": "Yep. Just service over studies for the north, please. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21518.178562499997, "end": 21520.9785625, "text": "Alright, let's engage the evote, please, on Councillor Yule's amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 21543.1985625, "end": 21544.7785625, "text": "Counselor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 21549.7185625, "end": 21550.2785625, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 21550.5785625, "end": 21551.358562499998, "text": "Councilor Clark" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 21551.6585625, "end": 21556.0185625, "text": "is absent. Counselor Johnston is absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21556.7785625, "end": 21558.1385625, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21561.8185625, "end": 21563.9385625, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 13 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21564.3385625, "end": 21566.7985625, "text": "Councillor Schmidt, your amendment, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21568.6185625, "end": 21570.1585625, "text": "Yes, thank you. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21571.5985625, "end": 21574.4985625, "text": "I sent this out very briefly before." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21575.8385625, "end": 21579.038562499998, "text": "Yeah, this is now being tabled, so I apologize for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21579.3385625, "end": 21581.9985625, "text": "Um the purpose of this is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21582.358562499998, "end": 21589.1585625, "text": "not to discuss the actual alignments or the future of the green line, but to ensure that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21590.0185625, "end": 21591.9385625, "text": "When we move forward" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21592.1385625, "end": 21607.358562499998, "text": "with whatever we approve at council for the the alignment of this stage, that the surrounding area and how that will look and how that will work for those traveling through it, those who live there, those who own businesses there," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21607.738562500002, "end": 21614.5785625, "text": "uh functions in a way that results in a net positive uh for everybody in the area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21614.918562500003, "end": 21617.2585625, "text": "And to be clear and um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21618.1185625, "end": 21628.4985625, "text": "If if anybody has questions around this, I know that uh the members of the team will be able to answer this, but this is not adding something additional. This is just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21628.9385625, "end": 21630.4985625, "text": "signaling to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21631.3385625, "end": 21674.3185625, "text": "The community and to those affected stakeholders that this work will be part of the next step of the green line, and that adding it as part of the quarterly updates and with a full scoping report for what we uh start to envision this will look like, we can have uh some transparency and a full look into the work that's being done in the surrounding public realm. Uh so I hope that you would support this today. It it addresses many of the concerns that have been raised by stakeholders and the directly affected community members throughout this process. And I think it will just bring them some relief as far as the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21674.6985625, "end": 21680.1185625, "text": "the health of uh the surrounding community where they live and uh for their businesses as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21681.5785625, "end": 21685.038562499998, "text": "And then happy to address any other concerns in my close as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21685.9585625, "end": 21688.418562500003, "text": "On this amendment, Councilor Shabot, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21691.3185625, "end": 21693.0785625, "text": "I'm uh interested in hearing from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21693.8185625, "end": 21696.358562499998, "text": "the Green Line folks as to their thoughts on this. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21696.878562500002, "end": 21698.358562499998, "text": "I would assume based on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21698.8385625, "end": 21700.038562499998, "text": "The parameters that were" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21700.238562500002, "end": 21702.6985625, "text": "given to us to satisfy" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21703.2785625, "end": 21704.1585625, "text": "the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21705.2185625, "end": 21710.4385625, "text": "the funding partners' uh objectives that this would have formed part of what your" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21710.8385625, "end": 21712.878562500002, "text": "work would already entail." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21713.1385625, "end": 21714.678562499997, "text": "Is that not true?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 21715.6385625, "end": 21728.2585625, "text": "We do believe that this is work that largely is required for this portion of Green Line to be successful. However, it is nice to get council's direction on the explicit aspects and outcomes that they're looking for this work to achieve." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21728.8985625, "end": 21729.2585625, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21729.5985625, "end": 21731.7185625, "text": "It just seems redundant to me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21732.1985625, "end": 21732.6185625, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21734.178562499997, "end": 21740.4585625, "text": "if it's uh belts and braces that give satisfaction to the community, I don't really see a problem with voting for it. I just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21741.7785625, "end": 21742.678562499997, "text": "feels feels" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21742.9385625, "end": 21744.418562500003, "text": "Redundant. Anyways," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21744.9385625, "end": 21745.858562499998, "text": "said my piece. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21746.9585625, "end": 21748.0185625, "text": "Counselor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21748.3385625, "end": 21768.178562499997, "text": "Uh my question and comments were very similar to Counselor Chabot's. I think it's been asked and answered. Uh I'll be supporting it uh not only because you said that this is something you're gonna do, but to Councillor Shabot's point, I think it makes it explicitly clear that there's an expectation in here. And so from a belts embraces standpoint, I think it's a it's a good amendment and thank Councillor Schmidt for it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21770.8985625, "end": 21772.1585625, "text": "Counselor Schmidt to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21776.038562499998, "end": 21778.4785625, "text": "Well, you know, I guess sometimes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21779.0985625, "end": 21786.1985625, "text": "redundancy over something unexpected and extreme could be good. So I hope in that regard that um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21787.4385625, "end": 21793.418562500003, "text": "that my redundancy today has a net positive. Um I just know certainly for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21794.0785625, "end": 21797.0985625, "text": "those uh community members again and businesses that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21797.418562500003, "end": 21803.238562500002, "text": "I've been in discussions with that have submitted comments throughout this that um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21804.1185625, "end": 21804.918562500003, "text": "They have been" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21805.418562500003, "end": 21809.878562500002, "text": "through this process many times and just have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 21810.7785625, "end": 21829.3185625, "text": "continuing concerns about certainty for the future. And I think that this provides them with some certainty and again it gives us the ability to continue to check up on this work now that it's part of those quarterly reports. So um I appreciate the uh the resounding support of my redundancy today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21831.2185625, "end": 21833.6585625, "text": "Alright, uh, let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 21856.0185625, "end": 21857.4985625, "text": "Counselor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 21863.558562500002, "end": 21864.178562499997, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 21864.4985625, "end": 21868.4985625, "text": "Councilor Clark and Councilor Johnston are absent. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21869.1185625, "end": 21870.4985625, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21873.2185625, "end": 21877.858562499998, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 9 to 4 with counselors Jameson, McLean, Tyres, and Ward opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21879.2585625, "end": 21880.918562500003, "text": "Anyone else uh want to speak on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21881.378562500002, "end": 21882.4985625, "text": "Uh the main is amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21885.178562499997, "end": 21886.9985625, "text": "Uh I will just briefly" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21887.378562500002, "end": 21888.1985625, "text": "jump in. I'd" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21888.4585625, "end": 21893.918562500003, "text": "try and thank you to the provincial government, to our uh staff uh team at City Administration. I know it's been a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21894.6185625, "end": 21896.0985625, "text": "number of incredible hurdles. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21897.7185625, "end": 21903.558562500002, "text": "I will admit that this is the first time I will actually vote to support the Green Line. And what I will say is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21904.238562500002, "end": 21908.8185625, "text": "There will always be a reason that we come come up that we can come up with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21909.2585625, "end": 21911.2785625, "text": "to delay, but there's not going to be any time" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21911.6985625, "end": 21917.0785625, "text": "where it's cheaper to build. So really our job right now is to build as much useful transit as possible" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21917.2985625, "end": 21926.058562500002, "text": "within the uh envelope that we have available to us. Counselor Kelly was uh quite compelling in terms of his arguments. What I also like about this uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21927.0185625, "end": 21929.9985625, "text": "specific option is it maintains optionality for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21930.1585625, "end": 21933.8185625, "text": "how we finish uh the downtown. I know that uh certainly in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21934.038562499998, "end": 21940.1185625, "text": "Consultation with uh downtown business and industry. There's a big appetite for some type of underground option." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21940.558562500002, "end": 21947.5785625, "text": "I believe that there's been significant advances in technology that have mitigated many of the concerns that uh the community had" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21948.058562500002, "end": 21954.0985625, "text": "uh for some type of cut and cover or downtown option. Uh look no further than the success we're seeing right now with the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21954.538562499998, "end": 21957.5985625, "text": "Parispa South uh feeder main as an example. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21958.1385625, "end": 21959.3385625, "text": "um the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21960.1585625, "end": 21963.3985625, "text": "outstanding consideration though is that uh yellow." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21963.858562499998, "end": 21968.9585625, "text": "Checkbox around political uncertainty in terms of whether or not the provincial and federal governments" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21969.358562499998, "end": 21975.7985625, "text": "will agree to this. I think they've been somewhat absent in this conversation. Of course, this is a city project. We own this project." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21976.0185625, "end": 21993.378562500002, "text": "But for us to make this change from option one to option three, we have to get their consent. I'd say at high level, I've had the opportunity to discuss with both the federal government and the provincial government. I'm not anticipating major challenges to be able to get them on board with this compromise." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21996.1985625, "end": 22008.418562500003, "text": "Yeah, so I think we've we've debated Green Line for long enough and now it's to build. Now it's time to build. Let's uh get her done. All right, uh Councillor Kelly, was it you who moved the original before as amended?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 22009.0185625, "end": 22010.4985625, "text": "I believe it was, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 22011.7185625, "end": 22021.918562500003, "text": "Yep, I mean I think we've already talked about it enough. I don't think there's a huge amount more to say other than uh uh I'll echo the thank yous from the folks around. I admit this is a bit of a weird one, right? In the fact that uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 22022.9785625, "end": 22041.7785625, "text": "We're a little bit negative on some of the things like oh we wish this or oh that's too bad that. Um but by approving this here today and and moving this on to council, uh we have a full green line. We know where it starts, we know where it ends. And that is the first time that we've been able to say that in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 22042.1185625, "end": 22043.9785625, "text": "40 years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 22044.378562500002, "end": 22089.8185625, "text": "Uh so I want to recognize the great work that uh that took us today and uh the fact that uh uh we're approving this and within the existing budget envelope. Uh and I think that we've addressed the majority of the concerns of neighbors and uh also recognize the fact that there's still more work to do, both in terms of consultation, uh having some more of those conversations, making sure that uh the uh where the rubber meets the road, the detail, the actual design of the stations, etc., that's really what people are gonna care the most about. And so uh as the mayor said, uh I look forward to moving on to that and uh getting the good work done. And uh we're not done talking about North Central LRT, uh, but for now, I think we have a full green line. So thank you all." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 22090.5185625, "end": 22093.5785625, "text": "All right, let's engage the evote, please, on this motion as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 22107.3185625, "end": 22108.858562499998, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 22109.3185625, "end": 22110.6985625, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 22114.1585625, "end": 22118.5785625, "text": "Uh the motion is carried 12 to 1 with uh councillor Wynus opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 22121.0985625, "end": 22125.4585625, "text": "All right, colleagues, uh I'm gonna ask uh Vice Chair Kelly to to please take the chair for a bit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 22127.738562500002, "end": 22129.9585625, "text": "And next up we have seven point four" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 22130.5785625, "end": 22131.7585625, "text": "cities quarterly report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 22156.5985625, "end": 22158.7185625, "text": "I believe we have a presentation from uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22158.7185625, "end": 22171.8985625, "text": "Yeah, good afternoon, Chair, members of committee. Um, so Mr. Tucker and I are here today to prevent some of the progress that we made in the second quarter. We do have a presentation for you. It's probably 10 to 12 minutes long, if you're so inclined." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 22173.378562500002, "end": 22176.238562500002, "text": "I'm gonna assume council uh committee would like to have the presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 22177.2785625, "end": 22177.9385625, "text": "Please proceed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22180.8185625, "end": 22181.7985625, "text": "Said a yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 22183.5785625, "end": 22185.7985625, "text": "It wasn't a no, please proceed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22186.2985625, "end": 22196.6585625, "text": "All right. So before I begin, though, I'd like to ask the clerks to circulate the updated slide deck uh on further review. We discovered a small error on slide four, and I'll point that out when we get there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22198.4585625, "end": 22199.418562500003, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22199.5785625, "end": 22229.358562499998, "text": "Our quarterly reports are kind of like a private sector model to provide a snapshot, a rear view of some of the things that this organization has done. And the highlights shared today represent really only a small part of the work underway across the organization. Many other initiatives and projects are helping implement council direction, responding to evolving community needs, and supporting day to day service delivery. The full update, which is included as an attachment to your report, provides greater detail." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22230.4385625, "end": 22241.878562500002, "text": "So the full report is available on Calgary.ca and pushed out through our social media as part of our commitment to being transparent and accountable to Calgrians about the work that we do. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22244.7185625, "end": 22271.2985625, "text": "So as you may recall, as I mentioned in my first quarter update, Calgary.ca hosts a key performance measurement dashboard that helps track our progress. And following the feedback and interests expressed from you at that time, I'm pleased to let you know that we've added financial information to the dashboard, which includes a year to date capital and operating year to date capital and operating budgets, spending, and variances by department." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22272.038562499998, "end": 22291.6985625, "text": "The dashboard and report are meant to work together to give you a complete and current picture of progress. While the report provides a corporate wide overview with highlights of key initiatives and investments, the dashboard allows you to dive deeper into specific measurements, the story behind each number, as well as the change over time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22292.238562500002, "end": 22293.178562499997, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22294.0785625, "end": 22299.558562500002, "text": "Quite simple, today's recommendations Executive Committee received its report and presentation for the corporate record." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22300.4585625, "end": 22301.6585625, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22302.038562499998, "end": 22313.878562500002, "text": "So this is where the small error was on the bottom left rectangle there. It the initial original presentation showed 15 seconds. It's been corrected to 60 seconds." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22315.0985625, "end": 22339.3185625, "text": "So I've been describing throughout this year that really 2026 has really been a pivotal year, pivotal year for our organization, and that continued to be apparent throughout the second quarter. And as our city grows and evolves, we continue to navigate changing revenue landscapes, balancing increasing demands with aging infrastructure, and respond to increasingly complex social challenges." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22339.5785625, "end": 22350.7585625, "text": "And while these realities have placed pressure on our city, they have also challenged us to innovate, strengthen partnerships, and reimagine how we deliver core services in better ways." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22351.4785625, "end": 22354.858562499998, "text": "Through it all, our focus has been consistently clear." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22355.0985625, "end": 22360.238562500002, "text": "Delivering reliable services, building resilience, and preparing Calgary for the future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22361.2185625, "end": 22369.4785625, "text": "And Calgarians are telling us that we're on the right track, with 76% rating their overall quality of life in the city as good in the 2026 spring survey." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22369.9785625, "end": 22377.6185625, "text": "And we look forward to building on that feedback when the results of the 2026 fall survey will be presented to council in October." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22378.7185625, "end": 22390.4585625, "text": "Some of our major milestones this quarter included significant progress on the Stephen Avenue Revitalization Project, the launch of Safer Together, and the continued progress on the Barress Paw South Feeder Main project." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22391.3985625, "end": 22403.3185625, "text": "Alongside those big moments, the organization continued to consistently deliver for Calgarians every day. And the highlights on the screen just show you just a few of the service improvements we've made." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22404.238562500002, "end": 22417.9585625, "text": "All of our progress is made possible by the dedicated teams we have across our organization, some of which were recognized at our annual One City Awards event in the second quarter for their innovation, collaboration, leadership, and excellence." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22418.418562500003, "end": 22444.9985625, "text": "This quarter was also marked by a significant change in the organization's structure, strategy, and leadership. Through the establishment of the New Water Utility Department and Oversight Board, along with activation of the corporate strategic plan, we have positioned the organization to successfully navigate change while continuing to deliver on council priorities. Together, these actions reinforce the strength, focus, and momentum that will carry us forward. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22447.918562500003, "end": 22484.7185625, "text": "Just a reminder, we will continue to report on the previous council's priorities until next year's first quarter report. So I just wanted to make that highlight. And before I turn to our second quarter infrastructure results, I want to acknowledge the update committee heard earlier today from Supply. While today's presentation reports on progress made in quarter the second quarter, we are closely monitoring how tariffs and related market pressures may affect the cost and delivery of future infrastructure work. We will continue to assess these impacts and manage them through our procurement, capital planning, and project delivery processes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22485.5985625, "end": 22506.1185625, "text": "And we know that infrastructure is a core priority for Calgarians, and this quarter's results show how continued investments are helping strengthen core services, reduce disruptions, and support a growing city. As you may recall, in the last two quarterly presentations, I discussed the work being done to ensure our water infrastructure supports reliable service to Calgarians." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22506.5985625, "end": 22548.1185625, "text": "The second quarter trend was positive, with fewer properties affected by water outages for the second consecutive quarter. However, recent events have been a reminder that Calgary's aging water infrastructure continues to face reliability challenges. That is why we remain focused on both immediate service delivery and the long-term investments needed to strengthen the resilience of our water system. And as of July, the Bears Plaza Feedermane project saw 30% of the new steel feeder main completed. And while the Bears Plaza Feeder main replacement is an important project, I must mention that it is part of a much broader effort to maintain and renew a complex water network that serves Calgary every single day." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22548.9985625, "end": 22564.418562500003, "text": "As infrastructure ages, addressing reliability challenges requires sustained investment and long-term planning. The work underway today is helping build a more resilient water system for the future and strengthen public confidence in how this critical infrastructure is managed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22565.2585625, "end": 22581.4585625, "text": "To reflect the magnitude and importance of this work, Mr. Thompson was appointed as the acting chief operating officer of our newly created water utility department, and we have begun work to establish a water utility oversight board as recommended by the Bears Paw Independent Review Panel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22581.8185625, "end": 22587.2585625, "text": "Together, all of these actions are strengthening both the reliability and governance of our water system." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22588.238562500002, "end": 22610.6985625, "text": "And Calgarians continue to point to roads also as a top priority. And I'm pleased to tell you that we've exceeded targets on several road repair measures. This quarter, crews the second quarter, that is, crews repaired more than 15,000 potholes, approximately 20% more than the same time last year, and completed nearly 16 kilometers of sidewalk repairs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22611.2185625, "end": 22621.1385625, "text": "Increased funding, approved in response to Calgaryan's priorities, has enabled crews to complete more repairs faster and address infrastructure concerns in communities across the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22621.7185625, "end": 22627.4385625, "text": "It's a clear example of listening to residents, investing where it matters, and delivering results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22628.4385625, "end": 22639.858562499998, "text": "We will continue to monitor road, sidewalk, and pathway conditions and focus repairs where they are needed most, helping to extend the life of our infrastructure and keeping Calgarians moving safely and reliably." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22640.3985625, "end": 22655.238562500002, "text": "Lastly, we're also continuing to invest in public spaces that support community life. Through the branching out program, 10,000 trees found new homes across Calgary in the second quarter, helping create greener and more resilient communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22655.3985625, "end": 22660.6185625, "text": "So that's a quick snapshot of infrastructure. Now let's move on to public safety. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22662.2585625, "end": 22681.558562500002, "text": "So public safety remains a top priority for Calgarians, and while demand on services continues to grow, targeted investments, stronger partnerships, and coordinated responses are making a difference. In the second quarter, the city recorded 9,900 downtown safety responses, a 50% increase from quarter one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22682.6185625, "end": 22702.8185625, "text": "An increased peace officer presence downtown, which contributed to more well-being checks, and medical responses, coupled with the rising levels of social disorder, contributed to the higher demand for service, underscoring the importance of coordinated responses among the city, enforcement agencies, and community partners." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22703.5985625, "end": 22734.9985625, "text": "Through Safer City, Operation Order, the city worked with Calgary Police Service, Alberta Sheriffs, and outreach organizations to combine enforcement, engagement, and connections to support services. More than 380 calls attended resulted in 280 warrants executed and 252 referrals to social supports. We also responded to 1,400 encampment related concerns, working with partners to help keep public spaces safe while connecting individuals to available supports." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22735.9585625, "end": 22747.2985625, "text": "As demand continues to grow and social disorder continues to rise, the Safer Together strategy will help strengthen prevention, support, and emergency response efforts across Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22748.878562500002, "end": 22766.7185625, "text": "Turning now to emergency responses, uh resources were on scene with an 11 minute within the 11-minute target 75% of the time for serious and escalating fires. This is a small improvement from just over 74% in the first quarter, but still short of our target of 90%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22767.418562500003, "end": 22773.3385625, "text": "We continue to focus investments and efforts in this area to ensure Calgarians receive the help they need in an emergency." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22774.4385625, "end": 22782.7185625, "text": "Longer term, performance on this measure has improved considerably over the past several years from a low of 64% in 2022." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22783.4985625, "end": 22792.1585625, "text": "And this improvement is largely due to investments in more firefighters and response vehicles to strengthen coverage and increase citizen and firefighter safety." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22793.3985625, "end": 22810.9785625, "text": "911 performance remains strong this quarter with calls being answered within 15 seconds, 96% of the time, once again exceeding the provincial standard. Overall, the results from this quarter show progress, but we also feel continued pressure from population growth and evolving community needs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22811.4585625, "end": 22813.4385625, "text": "Let's move on to transit. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22815.5185625, "end": 22822.4785625, "text": "So, transit remains one of the most widely used city services and a part of daily life for many Calgarians." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22822.7585625, "end": 22833.1585625, "text": "Two out of every three residents reported using transit in the last year, and 63% said it enhances their quality of life. But we know that there is still room for improvement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22834.1185625, "end": 22847.3185625, "text": "In the second quarter, Calgary Transit maintained 85% on time performance. While this is below our 90% target, it does show us that the service is genuinely reliable and work continues to improve this measure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22847.9785625, "end": 22860.418562500003, "text": "Our transit customer safety rating came in at 74%, which has been consistent for the last two years. While up from 2022 and 2023, it still falls below our 88% target." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22861.4785625, "end": 22873.6385625, "text": "Transit service reviews help guide our work by incorporating customer feedback to refine routes, eliminate duplication, and improve connections between local bus services and the broader, fast, frequent transit network." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22874.0985625, "end": 22884.7785625, "text": "Translating customer feedback into action, 120 bus drivers have been added since January 2026, and another 85 currently in or scheduled for training." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22885.4985625, "end": 22888.858562499998, "text": "These additions will support our planned service increases this fall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22889.7985625, "end": 22906.6385625, "text": "And we are also modernizing our fleet with a rollout of new C trains, the first added in six years. These trains will replace the remaining older models by the end of 2028, improving reliability, accessibility, and the customer experience over time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22907.7985625, "end": 22934.1385625, "text": "The second quarter was also a critical period for transit infrastructure maintenance. Maintaining reliable service year round means using warmer months to complete work that keeps the system safe and functioning. This quarter, there were seven planned closures across the C Train Network, including a full downtown closure along 7th Avenue to replace and repair tracks, complete concrete and asphalt work, and investigate underground utilities for future replacement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22934.4585625, "end": 22945.918562500003, "text": "While these closures can be disruptive in the short term, they are necessary to maintain reliable service, extend the life of our transit infrastructure, and reduce the risk of larger service disruptions in the future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22946.858562499998, "end": 22960.058562500002, "text": "And to minimize impacts on customers and the broader community, transit coordinated closures carefully worked with event organizers and other partners and adjusted operations where needed to support major events and maintain access throughout the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22961.678562499997, "end": 22984.378562500002, "text": "We've also taken steps to improve safety on buses. The first bus drivers barriers were installed this quarter and currently being tested by drivers. These barriers are intended to increase driver protection and support a safer, more comfortable transit experience for everyone. Installation will continue through the fall of 2026 and into 2027." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22984.9985625, "end": 22997.0185625, "text": "Additionally, more than 90 buses now have real time travel screens giving customers visual and audio information throughout their trip, and this project helps to improve communication and accessibility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22997.858562499998, "end": 23011.9585625, "text": "Taken together, this quarter's results show a transit system that remains widely used and generally reliable, while continued investment in service, maintenance, safety, and customer information is helping address the areas where Calgarians are asking us to improve." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23013.1185625, "end": 23015.0185625, "text": "Finally, let's move on to housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23017.2585625, "end": 23027.7585625, "text": "So, housing also continues to be an important area of focus, and this quarter we saw continued momentum in adding supply and expanding choice to help more Calgarians find a place to call home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23028.678562499997, "end": 23051.1985625, "text": "The good news is that the housing market is showing early signs of rebalancing, supported by higher vacancy rates and a growing housing inventory. However, these improvements have not yet translated into meaningful affordability gains. Residential home prices remain approximately 37% above 2019 levels, while incomes have increased by only 12% during the same period." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23052.0785625, "end": 23061.358562499998, "text": "This affordability gap continues to shape public perception, with a significant majority of Calgaryans reporting that housing is too expensive for the average person." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23062.1985625, "end": 23072.4385625, "text": "And through the city's housing strategy, Home Is Here, we continue to work with partners across the housing sector to support more supply, more choice, and improved affordability over time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23073.3185625, "end": 23087.4385625, "text": "And in the second quarter, more than 6,400 market homes and 84 non-market homes were approved through building permits, which exceeded the 2024 levels, and nearly 6,000 new homes were granted occupancy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23088.3985625, "end": 23100.1385625, "text": "We achieved several project milestones this quarter, including grand openings for city supported non market housing projects, including Liberty Village Block, Home Space Whitehorn, and Calgary Housing Mount Pleasant." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23101.0785625, "end": 23110.3985625, "text": "We also broke ground on Calgary Housing South U3 and Sora Aaron Woods and launched a new application window for the optimized downtown office conversion program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23111.5185625, "end": 23119.0185625, "text": "Council also approved the repeal of rezoning for housing in the second quarter, and those changes came into effect on August 4th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23119.418562500003, "end": 23124.9585625, "text": "Their effects are not yet reflected in current data and will emerge in future housing and development reporting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23125.358562499998, "end": 23136.0985625, "text": "Overall, the second quarter shows continued progress in housing supply and choice with ongoing work needed to support affordability so that more Calgarians can find a safe, stable place to call home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23137.4585625, "end": 23150.4585625, "text": "Thank you for your ongoing support, direction, and investments that make that made our work in the second quarter possible. And I'm now going to turn things over to our Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Tucker, to provide the financial and economic update. Les over to you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23150.7785625, "end": 23151.238562500002, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23151.7785625, "end": 23152.7185625, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23155.2785625, "end": 23168.6585625, "text": "Based on the 2026 Q2 results, the city is reporting $110 million favorable year to date operating variants, with a majority or approximately $73 million of that coming from the departments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23169.2585625, "end": 23179.5985625, "text": "This positive variance is largely driven by lower salary and non salary expenditures, increased fee and permit sales, and also the timing of expenses that will occur later in the year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23180.4585625, "end": 23194.2985625, "text": "Corporate programs contribute about one-third or $37 million of the favorable variants through interest savings, higher fines, and property tax penalties, stronger investment income, and unspent corporate contingencies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23195.0785625, "end": 23208.418562500003, "text": "Looking ahead, we're forecasting a strong year end position supported by higher investment income, corporate savings, and continued salary savings. And that is forecast to be $130 million for this year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23209.6385625, "end": 23210.558562500002, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23213.6985625, "end": 23229.918562500003, "text": "As of Q2, 2026, the city has spent $1.4 billion or 31% of its $4.5 billion capital budget. Capital spending is to support critical infrastructure, mobility, housing growth, and stronger communities across Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23230.7785625, "end": 23236.238562500002, "text": "Capital spending is expected to accelerate in the second half of the year as the construction activity increases." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23236.9785625, "end": 23240.9585625, "text": "Highlights of the Q2 2026 capital program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23242.238562500002, "end": 23245.9585625, "text": "It's focused on Bears Paw South Feeder Main replacement project," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23246.3985625, "end": 23257.1585625, "text": "Scotia Place, Green Line Southeast segment, as was discussed earlier. Calgary Transit has also begun introducing its new light rail" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23257.6185625, "end": 23278.378562500002, "text": "vehicles as part of the fleet modernization program. Stephen Avenue revitalization was completed, and affordable housing initiatives continue with new developments underway and opening across the city. The city is forecasting to spend $4.2 billion, or 94%, of the total capital budget for 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23279.5785625, "end": 23280.4585625, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23282.5985625, "end": 23288.2985625, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Tucker. It's back to me. So as we wrap things up here in this presentation, I'd like to offer one final reflection." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23289.7585625, "end": 23302.678562499997, "text": "As this is the last quarterly report I will deliver of CAO, I'm reminded that this report is ultimately about accountability to council, to Calgarians, and to the employees who deliver city services every single day." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23303.558562500002, "end": 23313.9985625, "text": "And over the years, we have made significant progress. We've continued to focus on continuous improvement, guided by a commitment to serving Calgarians and supporting a city that is always changing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23314.6185625, "end": 23326.418562500003, "text": "We will always face change, challenges, and unexpected events. What defines us is how we prepare, how we respond, and how we learn from those experiences." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23326.5985625, "end": 23340.358562499998, "text": "I am confident that this organization has the talent, the dedication, and determination to navigate whatever comes next while continuing to deliver the services and outcomes Calgarians rely on every single day." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23340.7985625, "end": 23348.8385625, "text": "And as I table my final quarterly report, I want to clearly state my confidence in this amazing organization and our people." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23349.7185625, "end": 23355.6585625, "text": "They are strong, they are adaptable, and they are deeply committed to serving Calgarians." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23356.2985625, "end": 23362.918562500003, "text": "While change is inevitable, their commitment to Calgarians and to the future of Calgary remains steadfast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23363.2985625, "end": 23394.9585625, "text": "The corporate strategic plan, which was recently shared with council, will continue to serve as the city's roadmap, providing a strong foundation for the work to come. Guided by your direction and supported by dedicated public servants, the city will continue delivering the reliable services, resilient infrastructure, and strong communities that Calgaryans expect and deserve. With that, I'll reiterate that today's recommendation is that the committee simply receive this report and presentation for the corporate record, and we are here to answer any questions that you may have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 23396.1385625, "end": 23448.5985625, "text": "Thank you very much, CAO Duckworth, and uh thank you for doing the math for me. I was trying to, I was like, is this going to be the last one that we will receive from you? And thank you for confirming it will be. Um, maybe before I go to counselors uh for any questions, uh I just want to uh personally and on behalf of executive committee and council as a whole, say thank you very much for all of these quarterly updates that you've provided to council over the past number of years. Uh it is really amazing to be able to take these quarterly looks back to see what's been accomplished. I know certainly for us sitting up here making governance decisions, it sometimes can uh uh can be easy for us to forget about the fact that we have so many amazing employees accomplishing great things for Calgarians, and uh uh certainly these uh these quarterly updates are a great way for us to be able to be reminded of that. So thank you on behalf of myself, committee, and council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 23449.1985625, "end": 23450.6185625, "text": "Uh Councilor Panasopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23450.8185625, "end": 23451.5785625, "text": "Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23452.4985625, "end": 23493.558562500002, "text": "Yeah, I just wanted to echo those comments about the evolution and how it's improved. And I think looking back in this years ago and coming into today, it does have that private sector quality. Uh we are a billion-dollar organization, and as governors you can look and see that. And I think the evolution is because it's think of your presentation, it was on outcomes, where 82% our target was 80%. That sort of language and discussion uh is so critical. And as we go into budget season, as we go into just running the business, always targeting that, because then there's an alignment of all the spending. So with that in mind, my comments are generally around that, and some suggestions or questions about why it's shown here and how can we improve it. Specifically on the capital, very clear 4.6, 4.2, we're gonna spend." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23493.8985625, "end": 23517.6385625, "text": "I don't think that's the right measure. The measure should be uh we're spending 4.2, but achieving 100% of the outcome. Because here's the risk is we spent 4.2 and only have 50% of the outcome. We've paved 50% of the roads. Theoretically, we've met target, we're 400 million below budget, but our outcomes haven't. So we do a lot on other metrics, but not capital. Is there a way to pivot that? I mean, you know, fundamentally." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23518.5185625, "end": 23536.1385625, "text": "Number one is important, four point six, four point two, but to say of of our projects what we're expecting because that's what Calgarians care about, that the projects are being spent of course on time, on budget, but they're getting done so that we don't have a surprise next year when the capital carries over. Can you can you talk through that? Is that something we can have in subsequent and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 23537.1985625, "end": 23578.9585625, "text": "I think definitely, and I think you mentioned the change, and the way I look at this is really a walk through a maturity curve. So we started out, we started doing these quarterly reports, and the feedback that we get from yourselves is really the catalyst for us to keep um evolving these and having them mature. So we definitely can take that away. Um predominantly in the past, the focus had been on those dollars. And I think we've started to move uh the needle from sort of uh 50, 60 percent spend pattern uh into the 90s. And so I think now the next step is uh answering that question in terms of what's being delivered and what's that proportion of delivery. So we can take that away and then add it into the next for sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23578.9985625, "end": 23613.8185625, "text": "That's perfect. And building off that, you know, having those tangible metrics, I I I love that we repaired 15,530 potholes. Calgarians can see that, experience it as their shocks survive another week instead of going through there. Is there opportunities to expand that? Um, transit, what did we get? 92% uptime. Uh roads, what did we pave? That sort of metrics, are there other sort of again tangible things that appear low-hanging fruit? It might not be targets, but to actually just quantify that shows that's quite um uh Calgarians see and uh can actually touch and feel and observe when they walk down their streets or drive down their roads." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23614.1585625, "end": 23660.378562500002, "text": "Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's reflected on our website on the dashboards. Just looking to my team. Is there anything my team would like to add about uh there's lots of metrics we have. Um many of them are much more meaningful than the than the to staff than than the public, but we're trying to do is find that sweet spot that actually resonates with the public. I'll say one thing before Mr. Before Mr. Morgan chimes in here. With respect to filling potholes, we're getting better at filling potholes, but just because we're filling potholes isn't a good thing. Ideally, you don't have potholes holes to fill. Your infrastructure's in good condition, there's very few potholes. Um I just wanted to make sure that's clear. And I know this council is very interested to make sure our pavement quality index is improved, so there actually will be fewer potholes to fill. But with that, Mr. Morgan, over to you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 23660.7985625, "end": 23695.0785625, "text": "Yeah, I would say we have lots of operating metrics. The key is to get to the ones that is the customer commitment, or what we commit to Calgaryans, this is what you can expect from us, and then we measure towards that so they can see that value. So things like streetlight outages, on time performance for mowing, all those mundane things, but really it's the conversation we have with the public of the value they get from us, and then we get the right metrics to report those back. So we're currently going through a process to try to quantify our levels of service. You've seen some things from us already, but then report as we do that, here's our commitment to you and how well we're doing, exactly as you described." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23695.178562499997, "end": 23713.4585625, "text": "Yeah, and that's so critical, uh particularly as we go on an increased uh accelerated spending. It maybe just on on transit, any uh concerns ridership was down compared to uh year over year, twenty five from twenty-four. Uh this is uh page seven. You know, we we added routes, and I know it was due to weather and I think something else." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23713.9785625, "end": 23733.918562500003, "text": "Weather w major weather events and something other. Um any concerns there? Is uh again part of having the data now is there any yellow lights that appear on dashboards or are we confident no it truly was the thought process as our city keeps growing, we added I think I heard eighty routes or something. You'd expect that ridership to increase as compared to a a decrease unless something else is happening. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 23736.8185625, "end": 23757.538562499998, "text": "Through the chair, Councillor Pantozopoulos. Um, it's an interesting story. We're seeing a couple of different things happening all at once. We did have those weather events in the spring. Uh, we are seeing some changes in immigration patterns, and some of our temporary foreign workers are not staying uh in Calgary. Uh, we're also seeing an interesting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 23757.918562500003, "end": 23779.3185625, "text": "Change in our revenue. We're seeing more monthly passes being purchased, but our ridership is slightly down. So what this might mean is actually some of our fair evasion activities are successful, and we have less riders riding for free. So there's a lot going on. We're still working to unpack it, but yes, it's an economic story, right? So many different drivers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23779.4385625, "end": 23792.918562500003, "text": "Great, fantastic. And again, having that data going is so important. The keep KPIs, keep performance measures, KPM, I suppose. You know, we have our target, we have our Q1, we have a Q2. We estimate the operating dollars, we estimate the capital," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23793.378562500002, "end": 23796.5785625, "text": "and we don't have a forecast of what those numbers will look like. I'll just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23797.1585625, "end": 23822.2985625, "text": "snow nice completion, pedestrian, whatever that is. That's something we can incorporate. And the reason I bring that up is then again it identifies for council hey, we're underperforming here our anticipation. And then obviously for administration, you would pivot your resources. Because right now, as I read it through the mirror, steady as she goes, and and we're we we're you know five months behind to to move the ship in anticipation and sharing those metrics. Is that something can evolve, recognizing it is uh an evolving uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23822.8185625, "end": 23823.4385625, "text": "System." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 23825.058562500002, "end": 23856.3985625, "text": "I think that's exactly where we want to get to. Where that becomes our service plan here, that's our trajectory of our service metrics. And then we match that with the funding that we have for that service level. And then that's our performance. If we can't meet it, what are the issues or what are the kind of things we're doing to adjust? That still may not meet the expectations of the public. There still may be a service provision gap where they want more than we're funded for, and we can have that discussion with council. But it's essentially would be here's our next year, here's quarterly what we're targeting for, on time performance and things like that. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 23856.5785625, "end": 23878.878562500002, "text": "Okay. Now again, I said this has been such an evolution. I I use this, I reference back, in particular as we go into budget, we're sort of seeing you know where's areas for opportunities that we're outperforming, underperforming, and inform those questions that we'll bring forward. So thank you very much, uh CO Duckworth, you're leaving this report in the city in good hands, and I appreciate your efforts to make sure this report keeps elevating uh each quarter. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 23879.9785625, "end": 23883.238562500002, "text": "Thank you very much, Councilor Panasopoulos. I don't see anyone else in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 23883.9585625, "end": 23885.918562500003, "text": "Oh sir? Yeah, go ahead, Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 23885.918562500003, "end": 23911.9785625, "text": "Lori, just gonna get in quick. The 311 answer rate. Just we we saw sort of a bit of a drop. It was at 94% in January. Love that. And just the trajectory year on year has been vastly improved. I'm hearing it from community members. I think that, and being such a key touch point for Calgaryans into the city and sort of making sure that that continues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 23913.0185625, "end": 23940.4985625, "text": "Are you concerned at all around sort of the drop? I know in the report it mentions that we've got we've had uh you know it's a busy time of year and that it's m maybe the answer rate has dropped uh because of that. But just like on average, do we think we're still we're going to outpace what we saw uh on in previous years? Uh and if not, what are yeah, what can we be doing to sort of like get those numbers back up?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23948.5985625, "end": 23949.7985625, "text": "It's almost gotta turn the mic off." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 23949.878562500002, "end": 23985.2585625, "text": "That's right. So I think what I can say is that we do typically see in Q2 a drop. And so we're up actually four percentage points over the last year. And there's things that we are immediately implementing that should help sustain that and improve it to the end of the year. So things like callback features have been implemented and on call agents. So our staffing levels reflect when we have the increases, and we're doing that type of work now. We have plans in place on a go forward basis, and actually, we've got plans to share that with council fairly shortly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 23985.358562499998, "end": 23986.738562500002, "text": "Nice. I'll just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 23987.4985625, "end": 23995.1385625, "text": "quickly say the callback feature is awesome. We should have that on every service all across the board. But yeah, love it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 23995.1385625, "end": 23997.4585625, "text": "Thank you. I'll take that back to the team. It is great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 23997.7785625, "end": 23998.858562499998, "text": "That's everything. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 23999.5185625, "end": 24006.7985625, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Atkinson. Seeing no one else in the queue, Councilor Panasopoulos, can I uh go to you to move the recommendation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24006.878562500002, "end": 24007.538562499998, "text": "So moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24008.3985625, "end": 24012.1585625, "text": "Uh not seeing any debate. Uh any open or close?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24013.038562499998, "end": 24014.0985625, "text": "Open and closed. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24014.2985625, "end": 24015.5985625, "text": "We engage the vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24032.738562500002, "end": 24034.8385625, "text": "And just to note, Councillor McLean is now absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24036.2185625, "end": 24037.6185625, "text": "Counselor Wyness, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24040.238562500002, "end": 24042.1585625, "text": "Thank you. Councilor Jameson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24047.6385625, "end": 24049.2985625, "text": "Councilor Jameson, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24049.8385625, "end": 24056.4385625, "text": "With Mayor Farkas absent and Councilor McLean now absent as well. Vice Chair Kelly, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24056.4985625, "end": 24057.8385625, "text": "Let's see the results, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24060.0985625, "end": 24070.418562500003, "text": "That's carried eight to nothing. Uh moving along then to 7.5 Water Transformation Program Quarterly Update. I believe we have a presentation. Over to admin." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24070.7985625, "end": 24082.3385625, "text": "Thanks. So before we begin, I'd like to sincerely thank our CAO, David Duckworth, for his confidence in appointing me as the acting chief operating officer for the water utility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24083.1385625, "end": 24091.7585625, "text": "I'm honored to serve in this inaugural role and committed to ensuring we deliver on the commitments made to Council and Calgarians through this transformation program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24092.678562499997, "end": 24099.178562499997, "text": "The Water Transformation Program is ultimately about restoring public trust and confidence in Calgary's water utility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24100.1585625, "end": 24112.6185625, "text": "While much of the early focus was necessarily on stabilizing and reliability, the work underway now is equally about governance, accountability, financial stewardship," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24112.9585625, "end": 24117.4985625, "text": "risk management, and building the organizational capacity required" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24117.6985625, "end": 24118.878562500002, "text": "for a modern utility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24119.878562500002, "end": 24124.4985625, "text": "Today's report demonstrates that administration continues to make progress" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24124.7985625, "end": 24127.418562500003, "text": "across all implementation work streams," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24127.9985625, "end": 24135.4385625, "text": "and that the recommendations of the independent review panel are being translated into lasting improvements in how the water utility is governed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24136.058562500002, "end": 24137.4785625, "text": "Managed and operated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24138.2785625, "end": 24141.8985625, "text": "Administration continues to advance the implementation plan" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24142.238562500002, "end": 24144.1585625, "text": "with all work either on track" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24144.3185625, "end": 24145.1385625, "text": "or complete." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24146.2185625, "end": 24151.678562499997, "text": "Significant progress has been made in establishing the future water utility organization," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24152.1185625, "end": 24155.058562500002, "text": "advancing the water utility oversight board," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24155.4985625, "end": 24160.6385625, "text": "strengthening utility governance, and building the foundations for a long term financial." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24161.038562499998, "end": 24163.1385625, "text": "And operational sustainability." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24164.4585625, "end": 24165.738562500002, "text": "At the same time," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24166.1985625, "end": 24170.1385625, "text": "the work to stabilize Calgary waters, Calgary's water system continues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24171.0985625, "end": 24173.3385625, "text": "This fall is going to be a pivotal period." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24174.0985625, "end": 24178.2985625, "text": "There's a tremendous amount of work underway as we prepare to connect" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24178.6385625, "end": 24181.5785625, "text": "the new steel Bears Place South Feder" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24181.8985625, "end": 24183.3185625, "text": "into the existing system," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24184.0185625, "end": 24189.0985625, "text": "which will require stage four water restrictions and indoor conservation again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24190.8385625, "end": 24193.058562500002, "text": "At the same time as we carry out that work," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24193.1985625, "end": 24196.558562500002, "text": "We're going to continue implementing the panel's recommendations," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24197.4985625, "end": 24201.3385625, "text": "and success is going to require the continued support of council," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24201.6585625, "end": 24202.7585625, "text": "administration," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24203.1385625, "end": 24204.0785625, "text": "employees," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24204.5985625, "end": 24205.9385625, "text": "and the community we serve." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24206.6985625, "end": 24210.918562500003, "text": "The progress achieved to date has been possible because of that shared commitment," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24211.3385625, "end": 24215.238562500002, "text": "and the next phase of the transformation will be equally important." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24216.358562499998, "end": 24224.1985625, "text": "I'd like to recognize the many employees, leaders, and partners across the city who continue to advance this work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24224.6985625, "end": 24228.0185625, "text": "while safely delivering essential water, wastewater," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24228.2785625, "end": 24229.9785625, "text": "and stormwater services every day." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24230.6585625, "end": 24232.7585625, "text": "And with that, I'm pleased to introduce" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24233.1585625, "end": 24234.418562500003, "text": "Director Heather Johnson" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24234.678562499997, "end": 24236.3185625, "text": "of the Water Transformation Program," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24236.4785625, "end": 24238.9785625, "text": "who will present today's quarterly update." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 24239.2785625, "end": 24239.9985625, "text": "Director Johnson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24242.0185625, "end": 24304.5985625, "text": "Thank you. Good afternoon, members of committee. As Michael said, I'm Heather Johnson, Director of the Water Transformation Program. And earlier this year, administration committed to implementing the recommendations of the independent panel. As Michael also just said, our colleagues across the water utility continue to work at an unprecedented pace, and we can report that all initiatives are either on track or complete. We're now at the stage of implementation where the work is really changing how the utility operates. And the independent review panel was clear that meeting the needs of Calgarians today and into the future requires a significant and accelerated transformation of the water utility, including changes to governance, accountability, asset management, financial maturity, and risk management. So today we'll go through and demonstrate progress on those areas and show how we're starting to close the systemic gaps before us. Next slide, please. The recommendation today is very straightforward it's just to receive this report for the corporate record. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24305.9585625, "end": 24364.2785625, "text": "So, as uh as you've just heard from Michael, um, a single accountable leader was one of the key actions in the panel's recommendations. So COO Thompson was appointed the Chief Operating Officer of Water for an 18-month term. That was complete in Q2. But because Michael's appointment came while we're still working on the new organizational design for the water utility department itself, the functions, roles, and work related to water still span several departments and business units. To mitigate this risk, alongside Michael's appointment, we've introduced an interim governance model and structure where water related decisions, escalations, and approvals that were previously spread across multiple general managers will now fall under the authority and accountability of COO Thompson. This is a material change in how we operate, and it's an important step towards clearer leadership and accountability. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24365.8185625, "end": 24412.858562499998, "text": "Michael already referenced the Water Utility Oversight Board. So just to highlight a couple of things, while administration is working on strengthening our internal governance and leadership, the Water Utility Oversight Board is taking shape. Just last week, I guess, Stephen Stanley was named the Water Utility Oversight Board Chair. Mr. Stanley brings more than 25 years of executive leadership experience with a major water utility, EPCOR, including responsibility for water and wastewater services, supporting over 1.5 million people in Edmonton and area. He was also a member of the Independent Review Panel, bringing both deep utility expertise and a strong understanding of the challenges and opportunities facing Calgary's water utility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24413.4985625, "end": 24457.538562499998, "text": "Mr. Stanley and COO Thompson are actively working with a search firm on the recruitment of the four remaining board members for council's approval, and we are on target to bring that forward to council later this fall and for a first meeting of the Water Utility Oversight Board in Q4. And then once up and running, I'll just remind committee that the WOB will provide council with independent oversight of the utility's performance, finances, long term planning, risk management, and compliance with regulation to support your decision making. In practice, the Water Utility Oversight Board will also provide independent review and constructive challenge to administration on the issues and challenges facing the utility. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24459.4985625, "end": 24620.2585625, "text": "We've explicitly included some information on asset management here today, as there were a number of questions when we were here for our Q2 presentations. So just providing a quick update, the panel was very clear in their recommendations, plus in their closeout letter that you received, that asset management is one of the clear priorities going forward and that we need to become more disciplined in understanding the conditions, risks, and accompanying investment in our priorities. Our colleagues in IS have now completed and issued asset management strategies across the utility. They're currently focused on prioritizing work based on criticality of the asset and the level of risk associated with it. They're leveraging external specialized support to complement internal expertise and trying to accelerate this work. This will give us a better, give us you a better understanding of asset condition, criticality, and risk. And to provide counsel with a more detailed report, the folks in asset management will be bringing a report to executive committee in October that will outline sort of their progress, key findings, and remaining gaps. Next slide, please. I'm going to take a minute on this slide. Some of you may be fully up to speed on this information, but it's obviously top of mind for lots of people and particularly for Calgarians. The feeder main, the replacement of the feeder main. So again, our colleagues continue to be on schedule with this project. One of the fastest, most aggressive infrastructure projects in our history. Stage A microtunneling is complete, including about 3.7 kilometers of tunneling and full installation of the concrete carrier pipe between the Shagginak B pump station and 73rd Street Northwest. More than two kilometers of steel pipe is installed within that carrier pipe. Stage B open cut construction in Boness remains on schedule, and more than a kilometer of new steel feeder main has been installed, and approximately 40% of stage B feeder main installation is complete and continuing to advance along 34th. In September, crews will start work on the Shaganapi pump station in preparation to connect to the existing water system. At the same time, crews will undergo critical work at the Barispa treatment plant so that a new pump station can be built as part of the North Calgary Water Servicing Project. This project will impact our ability to deliver water through the system. And depending on conditions, we may be asking the public for their help in outdoor water saving measures in mid September. And of course, all of our communications channels will make sure you and Calgarians are aware of what's required there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24620.5985625, "end": 24630.878562500002, "text": "Teams are currently modeling and analyzing weather conditions and decisions on what restrictions may be needed will be announced closer to the work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24631.3985625, "end": 24681.858562499998, "text": "In October, the new feeder main will be connected to the old pipe. And to ensure there's enough water for daily life at that point, again, additional water restrictions, outdoor water restrictions may be implemented. And as always, we'll be asking Calgarians to reduce their indoor water use for about four weeks. And we know that these water restrictions can be disruptive, but they're an incredibly important tool in managing water demand, which in turn allows the important work needed to help improve the long-term reliability. And we're grateful to Calgarians who have been excellent partners in this process. We encourage everyone to stay informed by visiting Calgary.ca SaveWater. And again, we thank Calgaryans and our regional neighbors for their efforts. The whole feeder main replacement project remains on schedule, and the new feeder man is main is expected to be in service in December." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24682.2985625, "end": 24693.5785625, "text": "And uh once complete, the new feeder main combined with the other work underway across the utility will help to close the critical reliability gap and strengthen the reliability of our system." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24694.1985625, "end": 24695.058562500002, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24697.418562500003, "end": 24701.4385625, "text": "On the financial recommendations from the panel, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24702.4985625, "end": 24760.038562499998, "text": "They highlighted this in their recommendations and in their closeout letter. Our colleagues in finance are working hard as part of building the foundations of that financial maturity. Segmented financials and economic regulation work are advancing. This includes internal management reporting and assessing options for external reporting. They're looking at revenue requirements across other municipalities to understand leading practices and approaches. And they're leveraging specialized consultants to support evaluations of rate methodology options and analysis to ensure a sustainable and transparent financial framework. Importantly, in terms of utility financials, at the October Executive Committee, you'll be presented with the 27 to 30 rates, costs, recovery, and service plan report for the water utility. That report will provide a clearer understanding of what it takes to operate, maintain, and invest in Calgary's water system over the coming years and the funding needed to sustain it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24760.7985625, "end": 24761.7585625, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24762.358562499998, "end": 24812.1385625, "text": "I'll just quickly touch on this. This is in reference to the closeout letter that the panel sent to everyone upon the completion of their term. And I just wanted to acknowledge that they called out five main categories that they encouraged administration to focus on. And I think you'll see if you if you look at the attachments to today's report, you'll see progress in all of those categories. Namely, in terms of accountability, the COO of the water utility is now in place. In terms of organizational design, we continue to progress that org design work forward. In terms of oversight, the water utility oversight board chair is in place and member recruitment is underway. Asset management is improving as highlighted. Financial transparency work is advancing, and of course, the feeder main remains on schedule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24813.9385625, "end": 24844.7185625, "text": "So finally, I want to highlight a couple of risks that we're tracking that could impact this overall transformation. Just, of course, the new water department is a significant organizational transition. Substantial investment is required for long term infrastructure and sustainability. And my colleagues are doing all of this work quickly and concurrently, which is putting a heavy draw on the people behind the water system. And most importantly, we're working to rebuild and maintain public confidence through this work. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24846.0185625, "end": 24872.4785625, "text": "So, just before closing, I want to just let you know that we continue to work with the province on a number of fronts. And so to begin with, we continue to work with the provincial inspector, working to meet timelines and requests as he has laid out. We also continue to meet with both Municipal Affairs and Alberta Transportation and Economic Corridors on a monthly basis to update them on the progress of the feeder main replacement project." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24873.0785625, "end": 24901.2185625, "text": "So, with that, I'll finish with the same sentiment as I did in June. The work to transform the Water Utility Department remains significant with many important decisions ahead for council. But today we're seeing evidence that critical infrastructure is being repaired, reinforced, and replaced. The systemic gaps identified by the panel are starting to close. And the changes underway are beginning to reshape how decisions are made, how risk is managed, and how accountability is improving across the utility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24901.5785625, "end": 24921.378562500002, "text": "Together, this will help to rebuild the trust and confidence of Calgarians and a water system they can rely on for generations to come. Our next quarterly update will be in December, where we'll highlight what's changed since today, what's landed by year end, and what comes next. And so with that, uh both Michael and I are available to take any questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 24922.1385625, "end": 24925.238562500002, "text": "Very much, Director Johnson. Uh Counselor Panasopoulos here for his company." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24925.238562500002, "end": 24927.3185625, "text": "Thanks so much for the presentation. Just wanted to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24927.7585625, "end": 24933.0785625, "text": "ask a bit about segmented financials. Uh, work in progress, when will they be completed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24934.538562499998, "end": 24950.6585625, "text": "If you look at the uh oh, I guess the plan isn't attached as an attachment to this report. Uh the the bulk of the work around economic regulation rate case is anticipated to occur through 2027. The goal is to have an initial" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24951.4585625, "end": 24954.6385625, "text": "Type of rate case by the end of 2027." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24954.9585625, "end": 24957.0985625, "text": "When the financials, when will they be done?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 24957.7185625, "end": 24983.2985625, "text": "Included in that. That's what I mean by that. Sort of that full picture of the policy work behind the financials, which could be utility basis versus cash basis accounting, it could be ROE contributions, it could be other elements of policy, as well as the full financial picture of the utility as a formal rate structured approach. Does that answer the question?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24983.2985625, "end": 24995.7185625, "text": "It it does, but it opens up a question about um we're gonna be setting rates in key four twenty twenty seven, but we don't have financials. That opens up huge risk. If we think the costs are $100, but they're actually a thousand and that's what we're rating." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24996.9785625, "end": 25004.7785625, "text": "Why wouldn't we focus on the financials to get a base of actually what it costs to run our water asset? And then based on that, a concurrent" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25005.6185625, "end": 25007.9985625, "text": "just walk through that logic." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25011.2185625, "end": 25013.0185625, "text": "Should be the other way. Go ahead. Thank you, CFO." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 25013.7785625, "end": 25033.3185625, "text": "So in terms of uh segmented reporting, the the answer that was provided is is what will be our segmented reporting for external purposes within our financial statements um and contained in the latter part of the document. Uh when I believe to your point, uh you're speaking about uh utility" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 25034.6585625, "end": 25129.178562499997, "text": "Related uh financial reporting. And so that we are working on right now, and it's based on activity codes and how, and I know this is all uh exciting to many of you, um, and in terms of how the utility is running now, and so points are mentioned about what will the structure look like, what would it look like for a conversation about return on equity, what would it look like uh going forward for some of these bigger decisions? Those will all be connected into building out the rate case and that final view coming in 27. What we're looking at now is to say, as we're capturing data relative to utility, we'll start gathering it based on activity codes, which is a field that we capture within PeopleSoft, and that will allow us to present uh internally to management, and we'll be bringing that um to yourselves as well towards the latter part of this year to prepare for that conversation about what does it look like in this state for utility related or utility-connected expenses. And so that's the difference. The difference about at a high level is the work we're doing uh in the near term reflects more of our current state. When we talk about moving into uh a rate case and what that looks like going forward, that's more of a refined future state. And so that would be the two differences. So uh I would say breaking that apart in the near term, it'll be internally uh for internal purposes, uh, financial information on the utility. When we get to 27, it'll be our uh inclusion in our segmented financial reporting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25129.6385625, "end": 25136.2785625, "text": "Is it I'm gonna get the numbers wrong. Seven percent of the water, no, excuse me, seven percent of our revenue comes from our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25136.5185625, "end": 25160.238562500002, "text": "Uh partners, chestmere, et cetera, and nine percent, like if we don't have a s uh understanding of our costs, are we actually allocating the cost correctly and there's a huge risk and all of a sudden we segmented out. Oh my goodness, our rate case has been i I just think it's so critical. I know folks are on it, but it's just it's so critical to have them, peri pessu, if you will, running together, because if one is off and we realize it actually is a substantial cost, then we need to change rates and capital." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 25160.8185625, "end": 25218.2185625, "text": "Yeah, sorry, if I can jump in, Counselor Pentazopoulos, there was something you said right at the end of your last statement that clued me in maybe better to what your question really was. We do understand the costs of the utility. And that information is going to be coming to you on October 5th. That's the cost of service and rates report that I mentioned earlier, and that a number of you had a chance to speak with uh COO Thompson, et cetera, about this summer. So that work is the cost of the utility, it is it is the uh allocation of cost by customer class. So when you're talking about regional customers, what's the cost to them? Our business and industrial customers versus homeowners, that is that cost of service report, and you will see that October 5th. Does that help? What both uh CFO Tucker and I were talking about was sort of the longer term transition of how financials are presented, et cetera." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25218.2185625, "end": 25218.4385625, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 25218.4385625, "end": 25224.678562499997, "text": "But for now, we understand what the utility costs, we understand the investment required, and that is coming to council right away." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25224.678562499997, "end": 25234.178562499997, "text": "Yeah, and my assumption would have been that that therefore you can generate financials quite easily. If you knew your cost base, you knew your revenue base, but no, we'll look for that. Um and then maybe just finally in the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25234.738562500002, "end": 25255.8185625, "text": "Uh assess MCC. It says it's on track, but the report doesn't mention it. It speaks to the board, etc. Maybe just give an update on that. That was a clear I pulled up, you know, the report and and a clear recommendation. So where does that stand and when do we start kicking off the work or has it worked, considering that's still on track, but uh uh we there's no mention of it in the quarterly report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 25255.8185625, "end": 25311.678562499997, "text": "Yeah, perfect. Your questions are making me realize and that in these reports we should be including the plan and not just the status update so that counselors can see what when that work was scheduled for. So work on the MCC is on track in that. I'll I'll remind council that the panel's recommendations were to do the work of moving towards an MCC, but they strongly prioritized other things first. And so their recommendation was to implement this immediate uh work more quickly, the kinds of things I was reporting on. And so the MCC work is is ongoing. We're working, my colleagues in law, et cetera, are working on some of the due diligence and putting together an RFP to get the kind of uh external support we need to do that work. That's all happening. Most of that work is expected to can to actually take place through 27, and that would be coming to council as part of that work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25311.9785625, "end": 25314.1585625, "text": "Thank you very much. Thank you so much, everybody. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25315.0185625, "end": 25317.178562499997, "text": "Thank you, Counselor Panasopoulos. Counselor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 25318.378562500002, "end": 25345.0185625, "text": "Um, just uh J1, the the evaluation of uh the rate uh economic regulation and the research there. I'm just wondering will that be in alignment with uh the water efficiency plan uh action item around pursuing conservation oriented rate structures and how those two will potentially tie together since I think they'd." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 25345.538562499998, "end": 25389.1585625, "text": "Yeah, I'll maybe give a high-level non-finance answer to that question, which I think is yes. The overall work, as as CFO Tucker, and I were talking about previously, about that full economic regulation, that's sort of all factors impacting revenue and costs of the utility. It includes increasing the rigor of capital business cases. It includes all kinds of things to make sure that the revenues and costs of the utility are, you know, the pencil is very sharp on those things and it's all fully understood. So, yes, anything like conservation oriented rates would be factored into." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 25389.538562499998, "end": 25393.238562500002, "text": "that as one of the considerations of of what that means for rates." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 25396.6985625, "end": 25431.8985625, "text": "I might just add, as we had talked about, so we're investigating conservation rates now. That was a discussion that had come out of the water efficiency plan. As we had mentioned, when we come on October the 5th, we won't have a completed conservation rate approach. We still do have a fixed and variable amount to our rates. It is something that we need to do some more work on, and we will be doing that work going forward. So don't expect to see those conservation based rates on October 5th when we come to executive committee, but know that we are doing that work in the background." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 25431.9785625, "end": 25438.238562500002, "text": "And yet for the future down the road. Um and and I guess on that point, like part of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 25439.2585625, "end": 25442.6185625, "text": "when we're looking at economic reg regulation," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 25443.238562500002, "end": 25451.7985625, "text": "we're looking towards stability and in some ways uh we you know conservation oriented rates go" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 25452.5985625, "end": 25453.8185625, "text": "Counter to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 25454.2585625, "end": 25464.238562500002, "text": "the the rate providing stability in terms of what we need. Uh but I'm wondering how those two will be balanced and sort of making sure, yeah," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 25465.0185625, "end": 25475.7185625, "text": "that we're exploring it fully when uh when we get to that point in the future. Any thoughts on on on the friction there between uh the need for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 25476.7585625, "end": 25478.1385625, "text": "stability and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 25479.738562500002, "end": 25525.4585625, "text": "I'm smiling because that's the conversation we've been having. Is as we move to more of that variable rate, we are losing some of that stability within the utility, and obviously we have significant investments coming up as we've been talking about. There are significant capital expenditures that we need to do to make sure that we're bringing the infrastructure, reliability, and sustainability. And the question is on that financial sustainability. And so that's why we need to make sure that we've well thought through that work before we bring it forward. So that's why it will take some additional time and we won't have it here on October the 5th. But know that we will be looking at that and we'll be coming with a fulsome conversation when we've done that analysis so that we can present that going forward. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 25525.7585625, "end": 25526.238562500002, "text": "great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 25526.8185625, "end": 25537.9385625, "text": "I guess I'll just end with a quick comment to say that I still fully support exploration of those rates and making sure that we're making, you know, variability within within our our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 25538.418562500003, "end": 25557.058562500002, "text": "our utility rates and making sure that we're we're giving everyone water access, but those who use more pay more, and and these kinds of incentives are built into sort of the future focus. Stability needs to be there, but we can't lose sight of sort of the other metrics that we also need to hit with the utility rates. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25558.238562500002, "end": 25563.058562500002, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Accison. Not seeing anyone else in the queue, would you like to make the motion to accept the recommendation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25564.9385625, "end": 25565.6985625, "text": "So moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25566.1985625, "end": 25567.2985625, "text": "Any debate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25569.1585625, "end": 25569.9385625, "text": "Close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25570.7785625, "end": 25571.3985625, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25571.9985625, "end": 25573.1185625, "text": "Let's engage the vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 25576.038562499998, "end": 25577.4585625, "text": "Get this done." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 25581.0185625, "end": 25582.3985625, "text": "We should be able to get it done." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25588.678562499997, "end": 25590.418562500003, "text": "Mayor Farkas is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25591.058562500002, "end": 25592.7985625, "text": "Councilor Johnston's absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25594.2785625, "end": 25595.8985625, "text": "Vice Chair Kelly, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25598.538562499998, "end": 25600.0785625, "text": "Let's see the results then, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25602.3385625, "end": 25609.6585625, "text": "Moving along then to uh number 7.6, our operational services department overview." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 25610.1185625, "end": 25628.7185625, "text": "And over to uh admin for a presentation. Uh by the way, colleagues, I recognize the fact that we're we're pretty presentation heavy right now. Uh and I know that we kind of want to move through as quickly as we can, but I mean I'm keen to get the presentations here so that we can move more quickly at council. I hope that you're you'll all okay with that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 25631.678562499997, "end": 25684.7185625, "text": "So just to introduce this item, we are extending what we had started in a previous meeting. This report responds to council's request for stronger financial oversight. By reviewing the budgets on a department-by-department basis, it provides a clear view of financial performance from the years 2023 to 2025. Today we have the GM for operational services, and she'll present an overview of their department budget. The focus is on comparing planned budgets to actual results and explaining the key drivers behind the variances. This is the third of the presentations, third day of presentations. We started off with corporate planning and financial services, planning and development services with community services. Today we have operational services, and then on October 5th, we'll have infrastructure services, people, innovation and collaboration services, and law and legislative services and security." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 25685.678562499997, "end": 25686.558562500002, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 25690.178562499997, "end": 25705.9985625, "text": "And administration has asked that uh the exec committee recommend that council receive their support for the corporate record, and this is intended to support transparency and oversight. It does not include any budget approvals or funding decisions today. And with that, I'll turn it over." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25707.058562500002, "end": 25745.238562500002, "text": "Thanks very much. I'm Julie Radke, Acting General Manager for Operational Services, and with me today is the team from Operational Services to help support with anything we may need today. Thank you for the opportunity to present. As CFO Tucker mentioned, I'm here to present the look back for the operating and capital budget performance for operational services for the years 2023 to 26. This financial look back is also a service story. During a period of rapid population growth, inflation, and aging infrastructure, Council's investments helped operational services maintain reliable everyday services, protect critical assets, and deliver targeted improvements." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25747.5785625, "end": 25748.538562499998, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25751.2985625, "end": 25776.858562499998, "text": "Operational Services delivers the services that keep Calgary running, from transit, roads, and parks to facilities, fleet, waste, and water services. Over the 2023 to 26 cycle, Council's investments helped the department respond to record population growth, significant increases in service demand, inflation, and post pandemic pressures while maintaining reliable services and protecting critical infrastructure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25777.418562500003, "end": 25799.558562500002, "text": "Calgarians saw measurable results. Transit service increased by approximately 15%. Waste collection expanded to 370,000 households with 99.9% liability, and about 435 city buildings moved to a centralized maintenance model. These investments strengthened service delivery, renewed public assets, and reduced long term risks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25800.2785625, "end": 25814.4785625, "text": "Operational services represents approximately 43% of the city's total operating budget and has multiple funding sources, primarily utility rates, sales of goods and services, developer contributions, tax support, and other." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25815.6385625, "end": 25829.2185625, "text": "The tax supported variances for years 23, 24, and 25 represent less than 2% of the net tax supported budget for 2023 and less than 1% for 2024 and 25 of the operational services budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25830.178562499997, "end": 25850.8385625, "text": "Operational services also represents approximately 20% of the city's total capital budget in 2026. Capital expenditures increased from $395.8 million in 2023 to $625.5 million in 2025, representing an increased focus on investment across all business units. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25853.6185625, "end": 25871.8385625, "text": "The 2026 net operating budget for operational service increased 186.2 million to 820 million from 633.8 million in 2023. This increase was driven by city growth, increasing service demand, and increasing costs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25872.4385625, "end": 25886.678562499997, "text": "The staff component of operational services reflects 92% of unionized staff. In the 2023 to 26 period, contractual labor agreements for union staff reflect an increase of $74.5 million increase in salary and wages." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25887.7585625, "end": 25901.8985625, "text": "In 2025, the unfavorable variance, again of less than 1%, is primarily driven by Calgary Transit accelerating investments in additional transit service to meet increasing ridership without the corresponding increase in revenue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25902.378562500002, "end": 25913.8985625, "text": "In 2024, the very favorable variance of less than 1% is primarily due to reduced expenditures in irrigation in parks and open spaces due to the water restrictions experienced in 2024." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25914.4585625, "end": 25928.1185625, "text": "The 2023 favorable variance is primarily due to reduced expenditures in winter maintenance due to the mild weather in Q4 of 2023. Any favorable variances went back to the Fiscal Sustainability Reserve." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25928.8985625, "end": 25950.2585625, "text": "Not all operating budget growth represents service expansion. A significant portion was required to maintain existing services as Calgary grew, infrastructure aged, and labor, fuel, equipment, and other costs increased. At the same time, council funding enabled targeted improvements in areas such as park maintenance, affordable transit, and waste collection. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25953.378562500002, "end": 25966.178562499997, "text": "Operational services invests in maintaining, renewing, and expanding the infrastructure Calgarians rely on every day. These investments improve safety and reliability, protect critical assets, and reduce long term risk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25966.8985625, "end": 25984.0985625, "text": "Capital projects move through planning, procurement, and construction before spending occurs. As a result, annual expenditures can vary with project readiness, supply chain conditions, and delivery schedules. Higher spending in 2024 and 2025 reflects more projects moving into implementation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25984.918562500003, "end": 25995.558562500002, "text": "As mentioned previously, operational services represents approximately 20% of the city's total capital budget in 2026. And this investment is focused across all business units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 25996.358562499998, "end": 26012.738562500002, "text": "These capital dollars are primarily invested in transit, roads, and mobility infrastructure, city facilities, fleet replacement, parks assets, water and wastewater systems, and other infrastructure renewal projects that keep city services operating safely and reliably." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26014.3385625, "end": 26027.5785625, "text": "The capital budget has increased, as mentioned, to $882 million in 2026. The increase reflects investments in replacement of transit vehicles, building lifestyle maintenance, lifecycle maintenance, and the mobility road network." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26028.3385625, "end": 26036.918562500003, "text": "The annual capital spending rates improved over this period, increasing from 58% in 2023 to 87% in 2025." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26037.8185625, "end": 26051.1385625, "text": "The 2023 spend rate of 58% was heavily impacted by vehicle supply chain constraints that started in 2020 and continued for several years, impacting both transit and fleet services, bus and vehicle acquisition timing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26052.7785625, "end": 26053.8385625, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26055.558562500002, "end": 26065.538562499998, "text": "Staffing growth reflects the increasing scale and complexity of the system we operate. More roads, parkland, buildings, transit demand, waste customers, and water infrastructure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26066.1585625, "end": 26075.3185625, "text": "These positions strengthen the department's capacity to maintain frontline service continuity, respond to emergencies, and operate assets safely." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26076.1585625, "end": 26087.858562499998, "text": "Operational service has a staffing complement of 7,712 staff. This is an increase of 903 employees from the 2023 staffing levels." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26089.0985625, "end": 26099.678562499997, "text": "Over the four-year budget cycle, union salary agreements and salary settlements accounted for $74.5 million, or 40% of the operating budget growth between 23 and 26." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26100.9585625, "end": 26101.9785625, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26103.878562500002, "end": 26119.2785625, "text": "Council's investments helped maintain reliable services in a rapidly growing city while protecting critical infrastructure and making service improvements. Looking ahead, growth, inflation, and the maintenance backlog will continue to place pressure on both operating and capital programs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26119.7985625, "end": 26125.738562500002, "text": "This concludes our presentation. The OS team and I would now be happy to address any questions you may have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26128.2985625, "end": 26132.058562500002, "text": "Thank you very much, GM Rackie. Uh questions? Members of Council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26134.1185625, "end": 26137.3985625, "text": "I was not seeing anyone in there with any questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26138.538562499998, "end": 26140.9785625, "text": "Councilor Panasopoulos. Knew I could rely on you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26141.6985625, "end": 26146.5985625, "text": "Thanks so much. Um thank you for the presentation. I I really" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26147.0985625, "end": 26156.3985625, "text": "I think these are wonderful because it just as we go into our four years, we have that level of detail, we can really understand. Uh Clerk, can you bring up attachment to page um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26157.5985625, "end": 26158.7785625, "text": "two? Page two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26160.178562499997, "end": 26163.9585625, "text": "So I just really wanted to kind of just you know understand and and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26164.2985625, "end": 26181.038562499998, "text": "by all means the budget absolutely, you know, it's less than one percent variance, the revenue 754 versus 756. But if you look at the actual numbers, there's quite variability and almost a random walk, but it comes down to the right number. And I just want to go to a few lines that really um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26181.6185625, "end": 26185.9985625, "text": "Have questions on. You know, that that basically guide to the budget, budgeting or balancing," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26186.5185625, "end": 26188.2785625, "text": "you know, particularly one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26188.8185625, "end": 26191.4385625, "text": "depreciation and depletion. It's a non cash item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26192.238562500002, "end": 26200.378562500002, "text": "Uh the budgets that I've seen at the city are generally sort of a cash because they tie back to particularly operational services, property tax, and property tax is a cash." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26200.8985625, "end": 26205.8185625, "text": "Why is there 154 million is included in a budget item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26206.1185625, "end": 26214.7785625, "text": "Um for a non-cash item for something that's funded through cash, because all the revenue is cash. I don't think people do a non-cash revenue for transit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26215.358562499998, "end": 26239.3185625, "text": "Through the chair, I'll start with that and then if any of the CFO Tucker or anyone else would like to weigh in, please do. Depreciation and depletion in operational services shows up for our self supported areas, so water and primarily and fleet as well. So those are accounted for in those service areas as a result of that self supported nature of those areas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26247.0785625, "end": 26253.3185625, "text": "Did you mind somebody from finance? Is there anybody from the depreciations included in a cash budget?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26254.538562499998, "end": 26259.9785625, "text": "So that means that money's being spent somewhere. So there's 150 million of capital spend, right? That money's going out. It's cash. It's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26260.378562500002, "end": 26261.8985625, "text": "I'm not looking to get an accounting discussion, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26262.7985625, "end": 26268.9385625, "text": "in our in our budget and our depreciations included, then can I add to that? Some items have and some don't. Sorry, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 26272.4785625, "end": 26278.538562499998, "text": "Hi there, I'm Jillian Skeets. I'm the finance manager for water services and waste and recycling." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 26278.918562500003, "end": 26288.1585625, "text": "So water services makes up about $125 million of that department depreciation amount that you've referred to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 26288.6585625, "end": 26302.378562500002, "text": "And so the function of the depreciation expense in our operating budget is that it offsets the principal component of payments for on outstanding debt. So the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 26305.2785625, "end": 26316.038562499998, "text": "The way it goes through is that we charge that in the operating budget, it gets transferred to reserve, and we make our principal payments on outstanding debt from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 26316.558562500002, "end": 26318.7785625, "text": "our uh from our reserve." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26319.178562499997, "end": 26321.4385625, "text": "But there's a line item there that says principal repayment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 26321.8385625, "end": 26338.558562500002, "text": "Yeah, so what I've just said relates to the water and wastewater lines of service, and what you see in the operating budget that is debt principal is for the stormwater line of service. Sorry, I didn't make that clarification. But what you see is for stormwater only. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26338.6585625, "end": 26353.358562499998, "text": "Maybe it's a head in budget. I'll take it offline not to spend on committee. Thanks for that. The last one is the internal recoveries. So the budget balances through a positive variance of $71 million of additional internal recoveries. So our revenue is identical," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26354.1585625, "end": 26363.4385625, "text": "pretty close, yet there's a 32% increase. So so maybe just explain what an internal recovery is, the offset, and that really drives all of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26363.918562500003, "end": 26376.7185625, "text": "The save on a budget. What is that? Where does it go? And why would our budgeting be so materially off? That means somebody's budget internally is materially off as well from a cost perspective, yet we don't see that. Could you explain that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26376.9985625, "end": 26436.4985625, "text": "Yeah, I certainly uh through the chair. Internal recoveries in different areas relate to services that are provided to other parts of the organization. In the case of something like Fleet, for example, they essentially run as a cost recovery basis. So you'll see a lot of internal recovery in somewhere like Fleet, for example. Where you see those costs showing up is in the business units where the services are being provided. For example, waste and recycling has a large fleet, and so then you'll see those costs showing up under their operating budget as part of that work. Other examples of internal recoveries might be where, for example, during the water emergencies, other areas are providing services to close roads, to provide excavation, to provide pavement, those kinds of things, and then those are charged as internal recoveries back to the area that's incurring the cost. In that case, it would be the water services area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26437.4985625, "end": 26440.5185625, "text": "But this is like a gain. Yeah, this 71 million, if you look," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26441.0985625, "end": 26444.358562499998, "text": "the 71.4 is a net gain, right? It it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26445.178562499997, "end": 26455.8985625, "text": "it's a positive to to the organ, it's reduction of costs. So that means uh operational services did $71 million, 33% in addition in additional work for the rest of the organization." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26457.1985625, "end": 26457.6385625, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26457.6385625, "end": 26459.558562500002, "text": "Like transit, like like maybe just that that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26459.558562500002, "end": 26459.7185625, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26459.7185625, "end": 26465.0185625, "text": "$70 million is is a I would expect shared services like an HR or something like that, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26465.5785625, "end": 26471.4385625, "text": "to say 71 million of transit of water, just operational services, how is that even possible?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26471.4385625, "end": 26538.038562499998, "text": "Yeah, I think actually a lot of the costs that are showing up there in terms of internal recoveries that are above budget would be related to things like fleet, and they actually are borne by other business units within operational services. So you'll then see those as expenditures under the different business units for materials and equipment and things like that. Some of that speaks to those cost escalations and challenges that have been borne on things like fuel and equipment and other pieces like that, where we may have set a budget based on previous year and then end up exceeding that, and we have to then manage that within the budget in the other area. So it could be within operational services or it could be in other areas providing different types of operational type of services to different areas. You know, as operational services, we do this work, and so we're the ones that get called when something happens or there's an unexpected emergency, those kinds of things. So the way that that is managed and tracked financially is that it comes in through an internal recovery to make sure that the area that's incurring the cost is actually incurring the cost." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26538.038562499998, "end": 26542.8385625, "text": "And somewhere in the org, that 74 million miss will show up through the org. So somebody has a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26542.8385625, "end": 26543.1385625, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26543.1385625, "end": 26543.8385625, "text": "budget hole to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26543.8385625, "end": 26544.9785625, "text": "Yeah, it would all show up. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26545.5985625, "end": 26552.4385625, "text": "and then and just maybe the the the last is again just targeting the ones that are at the big is the withdrawals and contributions to reserves." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26552.8185625, "end": 26553.4985625, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26553.7785625, "end": 26556.9385625, "text": "May maybe just speak to that, you know, a greater than 100% difference" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26557.7785625, "end": 26560.7585625, "text": "on both 66%, 200 million, like just just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26561.9585625, "end": 26576.178562499997, "text": "yeah, if you if you could. Such a such a big movement. What was the genesis of that? And again, it contributes to the perfect budget number. So that's where you just you look at that. Had it had it been at budget, there'd be a materially different outcome. So just just want to understand that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26576.4385625, "end": 26583.8985625, "text": "There's there's a few pieces to that and I might call up um Gillian Skeets again just to speak to some of that around the utility. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26584.7585625, "end": 26588.538562499998, "text": "a lot of times the projections on revenue are are done um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26589.1385625, "end": 26609.9785625, "text": "And as best as we can predict, some areas are quite volatile, and so you may end up with a shortfall or an excess in certain areas. There's also examples like our winter maintenance reserve, where if we have a mild winter, we may contribute to reserve in a way that we didn't expect. And of course, Mother Nature is not something that we can predict in a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26610.9785625, "end": 26628.058562500002, "text": "completely predictable pattern. And so we may see some of those things that exceed budget or actually draw from budget from year to year, and that's why those reserves exist, is to be able to mitigate some of that volatility. And then on the water utility piece, which makes up a fair portion of it, I'll ask Jillian to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26628.058562500002, "end": 26640.238562500002, "text": "Before there, that's not the purpose of the reserves is to manage that this is not a hmm, like you just that last comment, we were using it to sort of mitigate ups and downs. That that's not the purpose. The reserves, as I understood it, are sort of a capital." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26640.7985625, "end": 26652.678562499997, "text": "Um, that sort of implies that I have an ability, there's a shortfall, I'm moving things. Just do you mind just clarifying that? Like this is capital. Is that correct? Withdrawals and contributions is capital activities. It's not to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26653.0785625, "end": 26654.918562500003, "text": "regulate revenue or miss or hit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26654.918562500003, "end": 26655.358562499998, "text": "No, not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26655.358562499998, "end": 26655.9785625, "text": "Can I mishear that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 26655.9785625, "end": 26679.878562500002, "text": "yeah, no, not for revenue, but just for example, if there's a uh there are specific reserves that do go specifically to are directed to those specific things, such as winter maintenance. So that's the example I was using. In the roll up that you're looking at, all of that would show if you were to look at each page, you would see how that is is uh accounted for within each business unit as it relates to specific functions of specific reserves. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26681.4985625, "end": 26696.358562499998, "text": "Maybe to the CFO, when we look at our budget actuals, we often hear about reserve activity. We don't get to see it until the next year. I mean, there's a comment saying, hey, look, we don't know the reserves yet, we have to see all the interchanging. But there's so much variability, it sounds like we can go into reserves to cover op-ex." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26696.7585625, "end": 26697.238562500002, "text": "It it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26697.8185625, "end": 26705.378562500002, "text": "just reconcile that for me that if there's so much variability in the ability for leadership administration to use these, how do we have any" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26706.038562499998, "end": 26714.0185625, "text": "comfort knowing that we don't get a line of sight until the pretty pink book you spoke of affectionately our reserves, not until April, May, June of the next year?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26714.738562500002, "end": 26718.0785625, "text": "So much variability and it contributes to the perfect balance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26718.9385625, "end": 26720.4585625, "text": "What's the reconciliation for us?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 26721.358562499998, "end": 26797.3985625, "text": "So, in terms of the reserves that we have at the city, there are three main broad categories. So you have capital reserves that we speak of an awful lot. We've got sustainment, and then there's some operating. And so some of the things that are being spoken about when we have variability for snow removal, et cetera, those types of things allow dollars to go into a dedicated reserve. As well with the reserves, there are terms of reference for the reserves relative to how the dollars can be spent and also how the fund at the reserve can be replenished. And some have specific mention of certain areas that'll make contributions to those reserves throughout the year. In terms of activity that happens uh throughout the year, uh if we look at uh the executive information report on a monthly basis, we highlight um withdrawals and contributions to the reserves throughout the year. So there's there is some uh disclosure on that. And then as we go into 2027, uh we'll have uh more budget information around reserves. So therefore, we'll be able to track and report and monitor uh at a much greater uh level of detail than what we have now. But so that's the the ongoing process throughout the year. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26797.678562499997, "end": 26803.2985625, "text": "Wonderful. Several other questions. I'll definitely take them offline as we go into the budget cycle. Thank you so much, everybody. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26815.2785625, "end": 26821.7185625, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Panasopoulos. Happy that you jumped in. Those were some excellent questions. Anyone else on the queue?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26824.9785625, "end": 26826.878562500002, "text": "Councilor Chabot to move." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 26827.878562500002, "end": 26831.058562500002, "text": "No, I'm just happy to move the recommendations and thank administration for the report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26833.2785625, "end": 26834.2185625, "text": "Any debate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26835.7985625, "end": 26836.4585625, "text": "Any close?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 26837.0185625, "end": 26837.358562499998, "text": "Close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26838.4385625, "end": 26839.5985625, "text": "Let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26853.6385625, "end": 26856.0785625, "text": "Councilor Johnston is absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26857.1185625, "end": 26859.058562500002, "text": "Vice Chair Kelly, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26859.8385625, "end": 26860.9385625, "text": "Let's see the results, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26864.918562500003, "end": 26870.8985625, "text": "That carries 7-0. And again, a thank you to administration for that presentation. We really, really appreciate it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 26871.1985625, "end": 26887.1385625, "text": "All right, we got about 15 minutes before our dinner break. Let's see what we can do here in that time. Moving on to 7.7 2026 Greenfield Traffic Signals Program increase. Looks like we got the admin team ready. So over to you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26887.918562500003, "end": 26899.9585625, "text": "Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh I'd like to introduce Aaron Seegers, our senior leader of traffic engineering, to do a presentation on our greenfield traffic signals. Um very brief presentation and uh she'll go over right now. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 26904.238562500002, "end": 26906.3985625, "text": "As Troy mentioned, I'm here to request" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 26906.558562500002, "end": 26910.7585625, "text": "an increase to the Greenfield Traffic Signal Budget for 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 26914.4585625, "end": 26915.4985625, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 26917.558562500002, "end": 26919.7985625, "text": "This is a new report without previous direction." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 26921.6585625, "end": 26922.2185625, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 26924.858562499998, "end": 26940.9985625, "text": "So the recommendation that we're bringing forward is that the executive committee recommend that council approve the capital budget increase of $8 million in 2026 to operational services budget ID A481352." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 26941.3385625, "end": 26943.6385625, "text": "Development Infrastructure-AD." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 26944.4585625, "end": 26947.678562499997, "text": "The funding will be transferred from developer and other contributions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 26949.1385625, "end": 26950.0785625, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 26951.858562499998, "end": 26979.7185625, "text": "Budget ID A 481-352 is an annual program to construct new traffic signals in greenfield communities funded by developer and other contributions. The 2023 to 2026 budget has been fully spent in order to proceed with installing additional greenfield traffic signals this year. Mobility is requesting this budget increase to allow for construction to continue in 2026 to minimize the compound effect of carrying projects forward to future years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 26981.6985625, "end": 26993.918562500003, "text": "This ongoing program specifically addresses developer obligations for traffic signals in greenfield communities to provide controlled crossing points in the network for vehicles and pedestrians and support ongoing development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 26994.9585625, "end": 27003.1585625, "text": "Developers contribute funding to support provision of this infrastructure. The proposed budget increase would allow would allocate this money to the capital program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27003.4585625, "end": 27007.6185625, "text": "To facilitate the continued installation of the traffic signals in 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27009.678562499997, "end": 27010.8385625, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27012.0985625, "end": 27013.038562499998, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27013.3385625, "end": 27018.1185625, "text": "to summarize, this report is requesting that the executive committee recommend that council approve" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27018.2985625, "end": 27023.558562500002, "text": "a capital budget increase of $8 million to budget ID A481352" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27023.8385625, "end": 27030.1185625, "text": "from the funding source developer and other contributions in order to continue to construct new traffic signals in greenfield communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27030.918562500003, "end": 27033.3185625, "text": "Thank you, and we would be happy to take any questions now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27034.0785625, "end": 27038.5785625, "text": "Thank you very much. Before I ask for a mover, does anyone have any questions for administration?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27043.878562500002, "end": 27045.0985625, "text": "Councillor Panozopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27061.5985625, "end": 27065.918562500003, "text": "That commentary obligations is quite a powerful word." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27066.418562500003, "end": 27074.1185625, "text": "I I thought the message when I don't want to say when we get around to it, but you know what what is there contractual like this is driven by that or just a nice to have?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27074.4985625, "end": 27110.878562500002, "text": "Uh through the chair, Councilor Pantozopoulos. Uh a couple of reasons why. One, they either become warranted or they're related to adjacent development, where a study identified that for implementation funds are set aside. You saw that boundary map outside that boundary, those ones are eligible for funding. So that's where these obligations are now met. We typically estimate what we would require from that fund in the year. We surpassed that because there was a lot more growth, and so these now need to be constructed. They're ready to go. We just need the money transferred into the our program so that we can continue the work. But the funds are already there, just need to be transferred." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27111.8985625, "end": 27112.8185625, "text": "Oh, Sergeant Rev, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27112.8185625, "end": 27118.9585625, "text": "I would add there's a separate program for um established areas that's a separate budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27119.6985625, "end": 27120.0785625, "text": "Perfect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27120.6385625, "end": 27126.1985625, "text": "This funding uh where does it come from? Is it general revenue or who who funds the eight million?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27126.9985625, "end": 27145.6185625, "text": "There's contributions through um uh levies and other uh sources when uh development occurs, and I I probably have finance speak to it specifically so they get all the correct terms, uh, but that's where the funding is then uh established. Uh it's then transferred into our program when we build in these new communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27146.6985625, "end": 27155.2785625, "text": "We often hear Greenfield funds itself, and that's one badge of honor for developers. Is this a scenario where it's above and beyond actually the city is funding" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27155.4385625, "end": 27161.238562500002, "text": "something to meet the needs of Greenfield? Or or truly is this is just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27161.7585625, "end": 27162.858562499998, "text": "cash is sitting there?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27163.5785625, "end": 27173.178562499997, "text": "It it truly is funds that uh the that has been contributed. The city then has the ability to access those funds to construct these signals uh for new community growth. Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 27173.3985625, "end": 27182.7785625, "text": "Right. So it's been contributed by developers. Okay. So that narrative of fully funding development greenfield is okay. Wonderful. Thank you. Thanks so much. Thanks for the answers. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27184.7585625, "end": 27186.8385625, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Panasopoulos. Counselor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 27187.878562500002, "end": 27203.4385625, "text": "Is this a prioritization of those funds over other things that the levies pay for? Because the levies are applied to transit interchanges, all kinds of other things that uh the levies do in Greenfield communities. So is this saying" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 27204.3985625, "end": 27225.5785625, "text": "these traffic lights are more of a priority than transit? Like we have a certain limited amount of funds, I'm guessing, within this levy account. Uh the levy account doesn't, as we've heard reports from administration in the past, it doesn't fully account for all of that greenfield. And so is this saying that we're we're saying uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 27226.2585625, "end": 27232.7185625, "text": "Traffic lights before transit or like like is that that the decision that we're we're being asked to make?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27233.738562500002, "end": 27266.6585625, "text": "Uh through the chair, Councillor Atkinson. I'll start. Maybe uh uh Jim Hamilton will add, but uh it's not that there's a prioritization, it's that there's a series of uh infrastructure improvements that are have contribution funds available. These are eligible for that. Uh there is a larger pool of funds available for all of the infrastructure requirements. It's just this one's allocated and uh we're able to use that for traffic signals. But there's not a I'm I'm not aware of a prioritization where these funds are coming ahead of others. There's a pool of funds available. So, Jim Hamilton." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27267.9785625, "end": 27278.1385625, "text": "Thank you, Director McLeod. I think you've got most of it. Um, essentially, this these funds are for this piece of work, so they're not being shifted from anything else." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 27278.6985625, "end": 27307.058562500002, "text": "But they come from like the way just to s just on a broader sort of scale to understand levies, the levies come in, they all go into one. We don't have like a traffic signals pool and then a transit pool. And right, like we have not done those allocations based on the the various pieces of services, or have we, like, is this just basically pulling from the traffic signal pool, or is it actually just pulling from a total pool for greenfield levies?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27307.2585625, "end": 27310.5185625, "text": "So levies are, I'm I don't know the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27311.358562499998, "end": 27336.2185625, "text": "behind the scenes way it works, but I will say that levies are charged on specific items, and those items are tracked and accounted for. And so what is happening here is those funds that are needed for um intersection improvements, etc., are being pulled forward into this year to do work, right? Because we've been growing so so much. So yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 27338.3385625, "end": 27350.9385625, "text": "And probably just to add to that, the the levees have a whole list of projects. So uh interchanges and that sort of thing. And we also have a line item for signals. So it's a line item in the levees that we're collecting. I don't know if that helps answer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 27350.9385625, "end": 27355.4985625, "text": "Yeah, so we uh have directly sort of collected for those line items." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 27355.4985625, "end": 27355.8185625, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 27355.8185625, "end": 27364.0185625, "text": "And what this is doing is just advancing that work that was maybe slated for a f at a future point in time into this year's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 27364.5985625, "end": 27369.4385625, "text": "Yeah, it sounds like the team's been able to get a lot of work done and so they're able to do a little bit more and want to move more over." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 27369.5985625, "end": 27371.238562500002, "text": "Okay, great. Thank you. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27373.6585625, "end": 27381.4785625, "text": "Okay. With your permission, Counselor Ewell, I'm actually going to go to Councillor Shabot here. I think he'd like to chime in at this particular moment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27381.6385625, "end": 27382.038562499998, "text": "Yeah, just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27382.4585625, "end": 27383.538562499998, "text": "one question because it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27383.858562499998, "end": 27385.8185625, "text": "makes reference to an other" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27386.2985625, "end": 27387.2785625, "text": "contributions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27388.1585625, "end": 27389.7185625, "text": "What other contributions?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27393.038562499998, "end": 27393.538562499998, "text": "I'm gonna eat" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27394.2585625, "end": 27394.538562499998, "text": "scotch." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 27395.4785625, "end": 27401.1385625, "text": "Uh certainly thank you for the question. Yes, this is uh was uh approved by the off-site steering levy committee" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 27401.418562500003, "end": 27404.6585625, "text": "and it is uh funded one hundred percent from the off-site levies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27405.238562500002, "end": 27408.9785625, "text": "What's the other contribution? So it does make reference to the off site levy and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27409.1385625, "end": 27410.9385625, "text": "other contributions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 27411.1985625, "end": 27420.4585625, "text": "Uh that's just the terminology that we commonly use in the budget at a high level if there are other contributions. In this particular case it would be isolated to the off-site levies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 27420.5185625, "end": 27422.2185625, "text": "Okay, thanks. No further questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27422.738562500002, "end": 27425.878562500002, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Shabot. Over to Councillor Ewell to move the item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 27427.3385625, "end": 27448.4585625, "text": "Yeah, happy to move. Thank you for this work. If you look at the uh lists of uh locations, you'll see 144th Avenue over and over and over and over and over again. Um that's in Ward 3, Ward Two. Um it it is a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 27448.858562499998, "end": 27469.2785625, "text": "It is a a mini highway with not a lot of lights. And the way that we're growing, where all these different communities are kind of coming together. You got Carrington and Livingston, and you have these communities, like developers are also saying, hey, we need to get on these" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 27469.858562499998, "end": 27471.738562500002, "text": "intersections because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 27472.858562499998, "end": 27481.4385625, "text": "we're kind of behind in that there some in some places, you know, six lanes across. And so kids are you know running across six lanes of a highway." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 27482.1385625, "end": 27488.6585625, "text": "These are really important uh locations that we need to get on, and so I'm happy to support this and want to get it moving as quickly as we can." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27489.9785625, "end": 27492.0185625, "text": "Thank you. Counselor Ewell, any additional debate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27493.9385625, "end": 27494.7785625, "text": "Counselor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 27496.7185625, "end": 27503.738562500002, "text": "That opening just made me wonder about what 144th has come up as a transit corridor in the future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 27504.2785625, "end": 27515.3985625, "text": "With work like this, would we be doing things like transit signal priority, these kinds of things? Like are we future-proofing for that or does that lag until that work comes online?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27515.9985625, "end": 27568.4785625, "text": "Um through the chair, Councillor Atkinson, yeah, our transit uh signal priority program is consistent with new applications. In fact, we're able to implement day one if we have that uh need for Calgary Transit to have that good flow of uh vehicle movement, and so that would be day one as far as these types of operations. The TSP is also um used for other corridors to enhance service, and so uh definitely would be something we closely work with Calgary Transit on. This one in specifically, I I can't say, I would have to uh check with the team and see if this one's already been identified for TSP, but uh definitely would be uh suitable. Day one, a number of other measures. Our audible pedestrian signals are also included with new installations. We implement all the newest standards we can with our new traffic signals and then retrofit other parts of the city with that type of infrastructure. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27568.6985625, "end": 27569.958562500004, "text": "Right. Thank you. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27570.418562500003, "end": 27573.638562499997, "text": "Maybe leading pedestrian intervals. Just gonna throw that out there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27574.138562499997, "end": 27575.098562500003, "text": "Uh Councilor Wynnes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 27575.858562499998, "end": 27580.0185625, "text": "Thanks. Yeah, no, we need the the signals up along 144th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 27580.2985625, "end": 27582.9385625, "text": "Our offices are getting a lot of complaints about the speed," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 27583.138562499997, "end": 27584.6585625, "text": "the racing that's going on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 27585.138562499997, "end": 27588.0785625, "text": "because there's such a nice straight stretch and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 27588.458562500004, "end": 27588.8385625, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 27589.038562499998, "end": 27591.6585625, "text": "gaps in policing to slow and stop it down." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 27592.2985625, "end": 27599.418562500003, "text": "Um, and so we really do need those signals in there. And for children walking to school across 144th, because we are building" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 27599.7585625, "end": 27607.038562499998, "text": "our glaciers and our Ambletons and our Livingstons with secondary suites right out of the gates and higher density than anywhere else." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 27607.418562500003, "end": 27615.5185625, "text": "Uh, they're very concerned about their kids being able to walk across 144th to catch the school bus in the morning. So if we really need the safety up there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27618.0785625, "end": 27620.2185625, "text": "Thank you very much, Councilor Wynnes. Any additional debate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27622.098562500003, "end": 27623.498562499997, "text": "Over to Councilor Yule to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27623.7985625, "end": 27624.0785625, "text": "Close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27625.1985625, "end": 27626.418562500003, "text": "Let's engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27639.058562500002, "end": 27640.678562499997, "text": "Vice Chair Kelly, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27640.878562500002, "end": 27642.3985625, "text": "Let's see the results, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27643.3985625, "end": 27663.6585625, "text": "And that passes seven to nothing. Thank you all. Um okay. Uh thank you, administration. Really appreciate your presentation there. We have only a couple items left on our agenda, but we are about three minutes away from our dinner break. Um, Councillor Dollywall, would you be interested in making a motion to suspend the procedure by law to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27664.7985625, "end": 27666.3385625, "text": "Push through our dinner break." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27668.7585625, "end": 27670.3385625, "text": "Any debate on this item, anyone?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27675.6185625, "end": 27677.998562499997, "text": "Alright. We don't need any vote on this, do we?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27678.7585625, "end": 27680.7985625, "text": "We do. Alright." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27681.1985625, "end": 27682.0785625, "text": "Would you like to close?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27683.5185625, "end": 27684.538562499998, "text": "Let's move devote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27696.418562500003, "end": 27698.6585625, "text": "Sorry, I went too fast for you, didn't I?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27701.918562500003, "end": 27705.4785625, "text": "It's not even on the screen yet, so we'll give them we'll give clerks just a second here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27720.538562499998, "end": 27721.318562499997, "text": "There it is. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27735.5185625, "end": 27736.958562500004, "text": "Councilor Chabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27742.5785625, "end": 27744.0185625, "text": "Councilor Dollywall, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27744.2585625, "end": 27744.858562499998, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27746.558562500002, "end": 27748.038562499998, "text": "Vice Chair Kelly, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27748.038562499998, "end": 27749.1985625, "text": "Let's see the results, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27751.638562499997, "end": 27758.858562499998, "text": "And that carries 7 0. Let us continue. Thank you all. 7.8 nonprofit tax mitigation report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27759.558562500002, "end": 27764.678562499997, "text": "I see we have rep uh representation from men here, and I assume you have a presentation for us. Please" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27764.678562499997, "end": 27786.678562499997, "text": "I do, thank you. Good evening, uh, Chair and Committee. My name is Braden Larson, policy analyst with assessment and tax. Before you today is the 2026 Nonprofit Tax Mitigation Report. This annual report covers proposed city tax cancellations for qualifying nonprofit organizations in accordance with the nonprofit tax mitigation council policy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27787.498562499997, "end": 27791.2985625, "text": "Would you like the presentation on this item or would you like to proceed straight to questions?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27791.2985625, "end": 27795.918562500003, "text": "No, I think we should uh we should take the presentation so that we don't necessarily need to give it a counsel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27795.918562500003, "end": 27818.058562500002, "text": "Perfect. So under the Municipal Government Act, administration can only make corrections to the assessment role in the current tax year. Where an application by an eligible nonprofit organization has been made for prior year tax relief through the nonprofit tax mitigation program, we come to council for approval to cancel or refund the taxes. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27819.818562499997, "end": 27846.4785625, "text": "We are here today to request that Executive Committee recommend the cancellation of the identified city property taxes for qualifying nonprofit organizations while undertaking construction activities that would otherwise be tax exempt. Last year, Council approved the 2025 nonprofit tax mitigation report in September, as well as additional cancellations brought in December through the 2025 Property Tax Relief Recommendations Report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27846.7585625, "end": 27848.058562500002, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27849.378562500002, "end": 27888.558562500002, "text": "In 2014, Council adopted the nonprofit tax mitigation policy to enable prior year property tax cancellations for nonprofit organizations that pay taxes during periods of construction or renovation. Construction and renovation for nonprofit organizations are not deemed tax-exempt activities under the legislation. However, tax cancellations for these activities can be provided by counsel pursuant to Section 347 of the Municipal Government Act. The policy provides an open, transparent, and consistent process to ensure legislatively permitted tax cancellations are carried out fairly across Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27889.3385625, "end": 27924.0185625, "text": "An organization qualifying for nonprofit tax mitigation must meet all of the eligibility requirements. These include a building permit having been issued for the site, and the organization having submitted an application for tax cancellation under the policy, the construction having been completed, the property being occupied and being used for its intended exempt purpose, and the organization has applied for and been approved for property tax exemption under the Municipal Government Act or the Community Organization Property Tax Exemption Regulation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27925.138562499997, "end": 27938.5785625, "text": "This report today recommends the cancellation of $226,419.24 in property taxes for five qualifying properties outlined in attachment two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27939.058562500002, "end": 27940.498562499997, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 27941.378562500002, "end": 27959.138562499997, "text": "In conclusion, administration is requesting that Executive Committee recommend, under the authority of Section 347 of the Municipal Government Act, canceling city property taxes for qualifying nonprofit organizations listed in attachment two. Thank you, and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27961.958562500004, "end": 27965.5185625, "text": "Thank you very much for the presentation. Uh Counselor Chabelle, would you like to move the motion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27966.7985625, "end": 27969.598562500003, "text": "Yeah, well, I'm not sure if there's any questions, but I think this is uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27969.958562500004, "end": 27971.998562499997, "text": "basically closing off a loophole that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27972.598562500003, "end": 27974.958562500004, "text": "that was uh created by virtue of uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27975.8985625, "end": 27976.2985625, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27976.598562500003, "end": 27979.6585625, "text": "change in in the use of the property. So I think uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27980.6585625, "end": 27981.098562500003, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27981.458562500004, "end": 27983.7585625, "text": "they would otherwise qualify under COPTER" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27983.9385625, "end": 27987.2185625, "text": "or community organization property tax exemption regulations. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27987.8385625, "end": 27991.638562499997, "text": "during construction, this is a way of mitigating that. I'm so happy to move the recommendations" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27992.2985625, "end": 27999.378562500002, "text": "Thank you very much, Counselor. Uh and yes, I went straight to you because there I didn't see any questions in the queue. So um any debate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28001.858562499998, "end": 28004.678562499997, "text": "Not seeing any. Uh counselor to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28004.9385625, "end": 28005.278562500003, "text": "closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28006.098562500003, "end": 28006.9385625, "text": "Let's engage the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28017.918562500003, "end": 28019.3985625, "text": "Vice Chair Kelly, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28019.5785625, "end": 28020.7585625, "text": "Let's see the results, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28022.098562500003, "end": 28024.1985625, "text": "And that carries seven to nothing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28024.358562499998, "end": 28036.0785625, "text": "Let's now move on to the next item on our agenda, then Chief Administrative Officer Recruitment and Appointment Subcommittee Update. I see Councillor Yule has made his way to the other side of the bar. Over to you, Counselor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28039.4785625, "end": 28055.1985625, "text": "Okay. The purpose of this verbal briefing is to provide the monthly report of the Chief Administrative Officer Recruitment and Appointment Subcommittee to Executive Committee in accordance with the subcommittee's bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28055.7185625, "end": 28073.538562499998, "text": "Since the last update to executive committee, the subcommittee has met twice on July 24th and on September 4th. The recruitment is processing in alignment or progressing in alignment with the anticipated timelines." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28075.818562499997, "end": 28086.8985625, "text": "On July 24th, the subcommittee finalized and approved the advertisement copy and position description prepared by Boyden Canada." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28087.558562500002, "end": 28096.918562500003, "text": "The subcommittee also received the advertising strategy and an executive briefing to support recruitment activities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28098.418562500003, "end": 28107.8385625, "text": "Following approval of these materials, the posting for the CAO position went live through Boyd in Canada on July the 27th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28108.378562500002, "end": 28116.598562500003, "text": "Active recruitment and candidate sourcing occurred throughout August and will remain active until a candidate has been selected." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28117.738562500002, "end": 28130.598562500003, "text": "On September 4th, the subcommittee reviewed candidate profiles and identified those who would proceed to preliminary screening with Boyd in Canada as part of the search for the city of Calgary CAO." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28131.238562500002, "end": 28132.178562499997, "text": "Boyne in Canada" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28132.358562499998, "end": 28147.1585625, "text": "has been instructed to proceed with the pre-screen pre-screening process for the candidates selected by the subcommittee. But that being said, we still have the position open, so there could be others that we also send to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28147.418562500003, "end": 28148.138562499997, "text": "pre screening." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28150.138562499997, "end": 28164.138562499997, "text": "The recruitment subcommittee has identified an opportunity to strengthen the onboarding process for the incoming CAO by having the annual performance evaluation plan established in advance of the CAO's start date." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28164.6585625, "end": 28177.4385625, "text": "In accordance with the authority given to the subcommittee, a report will be coming on the October 22nd subcommittee meeting to retain an external advisor to support this work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28179.638562499997, "end": 28199.1585625, "text": "It cannot be stressed enough that maintaining strict confidentiality is essential to preserving the integrity and credibility of the recruitment process. Any breach of confidentiality could jeopardize the participation of qualified candidates and undermine confidence in the process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28200.3985625, "end": 28212.6585625, "text": "So what's coming up? The next subcommittee meetings are scheduled. They're in your calendars. We've got October 2nd, October 22nd, October 23rd, November 12th, and November 13th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28213.458562500004, "end": 28227.498562499997, "text": "Upcoming meetings will focus on interviewing, onboarding, and orientation for the new CAO, as well as approving an interim chief administrative officer plan if required." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28228.678562499997, "end": 28237.778562500003, "text": "At the moment we're still on schedule, everything's going well, but we also need to plan for if this process goes longer than we expected." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28238.378562500002, "end": 28253.7985625, "text": "Two executive committee meetings on October 26th and November 16th have been added to the council calendar to refer reports to council regarding the recruitment and appointment of the CAO. And we are protecting those." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28253.998562499997, "end": 28273.8985625, "text": "Executive committees, I want to thank uh Madam Chair or Madam Um Clerk because uh she's protecting me from myself. I tried to put something on that October 26th meeting and she said no. Uh and that's good because we need to really focus on the CAO process. Um so that's my update uh and happy to take any questions" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28275.458562500004, "end": 28277.7985625, "text": "Council, any questions for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28278.238562500002, "end": 28278.958562500004, "text": "Chair Yule?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28280.878562500002, "end": 28281.5785625, "text": "Counselor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28282.7585625, "end": 28284.6585625, "text": "Um so following the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28285.678562499997, "end": 28291.878562500002, "text": "the official um reach out, do you know if we've received any new applications or new submissions" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28292.7185625, "end": 28294.0785625, "text": "since sub since" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28294.0785625, "end": 28294.778562500003, "text": "since our last meeting?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28294.778562500003, "end": 28306.0785625, "text": "last meeting. I haven't I haven't gotten an update on that, no. But we we will we will come back on October 2nd, and anything that's that's occurred between now and then we'll get a we'll get an update." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 28306.418562500003, "end": 28308.038562499998, "text": "Okay, thanks. No further questions for me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28308.538562499998, "end": 28312.9385625, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Shabot. I'll jump in here. Chair Yule, I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28313.1585625, "end": 28319.2185625, "text": "do you have an estimate on the likelihood that we may need to do an interim CAO?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28319.7985625, "end": 28320.598562500003, "text": "I mean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28321.538562499998, "end": 28324.418562500003, "text": "as a Boy Scout, it's always good to be prepared." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28325.558562500002, "end": 28346.498562499997, "text": "Then I guess the question uh has the question has the conversation been had at your s at your subcommittee, or is it something that executive committee should be talking about? I I I'm just trying to figure out the the responsibility for that role, uh where it would start. I mean ultimately it lands with council, but I just want to get your two cents in terms of where that conversation could should start." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28346.598562500003, "end": 28360.6985625, "text": "Yeah, and it it does fall on our committee and we are in discussions and we'll probably reach out to individuals that we might uh want to see if they're interested in in such a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28361.7985625, "end": 28362.418562500003, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 28363.038562499998, "end": 28364.058562500002, "text": "backstop role." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28365.4385625, "end": 28370.998562499997, "text": "Excellent. If you can keep executive committee apprised of that, that would be good. Uh any other questions for the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28371.558562500002, "end": 28372.058562500002, "text": "The chair?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28373.998562499997, "end": 28381.7185625, "text": "Not seeing any. We have a motion here. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just not looking at it right now to uh accept the report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28383.4785625, "end": 28390.1185625, "text": "That's correct, Vice Chair Kelly. It's that the executive committee recommend that Council receive the report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28390.638562499997, "end": 28396.238562500002, "text": "Can I ask uh Councilor Ewell to make that motion or should I sort it from elsewhere on the committee?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28396.238562500002, "end": 28401.318562499997, "text": "If he quickly makes his way back, he can certainly make that motion as chair of the committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28401.6985625, "end": 28407.7585625, "text": "Maybe I'll ask it from somewhere else just because I think it's fair to spread the love. Would anyone like to make the motion to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28409.058562500002, "end": 28411.7985625, "text": "Vice Chair Wyness? That's a perfect option." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28412.918562500003, "end": 28418.1185625, "text": "Uh and Vice Chair Wyness, any open on that one? You're good. Any debate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28419.1585625, "end": 28419.9785625, "text": "Any close?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28421.1185625, "end": 28422.7185625, "text": "Let's engage the vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28432.3985625, "end": 28435.858562499998, "text": "Councilor Shabot was a voice vote. Yes. Councilor Wyness, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28436.458562500004, "end": 28437.0185625, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28437.9785625, "end": 28439.5785625, "text": "Councilor Ewell, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28439.858562499998, "end": 28440.5185625, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28441.3985625, "end": 28442.998562499997, "text": "Vice Chair Kelly, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28443.098562500003, "end": 28444.6585625, "text": "Let's display the results, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28445.878562500002, "end": 28449.038562499998, "text": "And that's carried seven to nothing. Thank you very much, all." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28449.4385625, "end": 28471.058562500002, "text": "And thank you very much, Councillor Chabot. Stepping away. We're gonna move on to 7 Eleven Mall Programming Fund Management Committee bylaw. As they make their way to the podium, just a reminder to folks here we're getting tight on quorum. I think we're okay. But uh just wanted to uh recognize that uh no one sneeze on these last two items, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28472.538562499998, "end": 28473.958562500004, "text": "Uh over to administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28475.4785625, "end": 28478.638562499997, "text": "Thank you very much. I just want to confirm you would like a presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28480.2985625, "end": 28487.418562500003, "text": "I think we've been doing a good job here in getting the presentations at committee so that uh we can hopefully speed things up a little bit at council instead. Awesome." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28488.558562500002, "end": 28489.278562500003, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28489.458562500004, "end": 28494.4385625, "text": "Thank you, Executive Committee. My name is Ian Harper. I'm with Downtown Strategy. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28495.858562499998, "end": 28504.058562500002, "text": "This is a report on the Mall Programming Fund Management Committee bylaw. It stems from this original direction from 2001. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28505.358562499998, "end": 28511.918562500003, "text": "We are recommending that council or the executive committee recommend that council give three readings to the proposed bylaw and attachment two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28512.6985625, "end": 28513.7985625, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28515.458562500004, "end": 28527.038562499998, "text": "So we are here because of changes to the Municipal Government Act. We are converting the original council resolution from 2001 into an official bylaw. It makes no change to the operation of the committee," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28527.498562499997, "end": 28530.878562500002, "text": "but does modernize it and add clarity to the functions and roles." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28531.238562500002, "end": 28532.138562499997, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28534.038562499998, "end": 28539.678562499997, "text": "This fund exists as a result of bonus and contributions from the development of Bankers Hall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28540.138562499997, "end": 28545.858562499998, "text": "It is used explicitly for the programming and activation of the 300 block west of Stephen Avenue Mall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28546.7185625, "end": 28567.858562499998, "text": "And it is a four-member committee made up of representatives from the developers on both sides, the Calgary Downtown Association and Administration. And it is able to use the annual interest of the fund to deliver that programming activation. Any requests to draw down the principal must come before council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28568.238562500002, "end": 28569.138562499997, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28570.498562499997, "end": 28578.098562500003, "text": "Just some samples of what went on, including the very successful World Cup final watch party that happened this year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28578.9385625, "end": 28579.5785625, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28581.1185625, "end": 28586.058562500002, "text": "So with that, um here's the recommendation for you again. I'm happy to take any questions you may have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28587.6185625, "end": 28616.778562500003, "text": "Thank you very much for the presentation. Maybe I'll kick things off with a question here. Uh so this is a committee of council, correct? The mall program. Is there uh has it been entertained any ideas in terms of uh uh potentially moving this committee to elsewhere? I'm I'm thinking something like uh the Calgary Downtown Association, something along those lines. I'm just curious if there's uh if there's been any of those kinds of ideas kicked around. Recognizing the fact it's a it's a committee of council. Obviously, we would need to be the ones to do that, but I just wanted to kind of get your two cents." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28618.098562500003, "end": 28618.678562499997, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28619.318562499997, "end": 28630.1585625, "text": "through the chair. Uh in my review of all the minutes and all the explorations I've gone with this, that hasn't been considered, um, partially because it exists solely to spend developer money." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 28631.6985625, "end": 28658.0185625, "text": "On programming in that fund. It's only interest, they can't access the principal. To do that, administration would have to come before council to ask to spend that money. This is a fund that is largely self administered through the CDA with consultation with the developers who contributed the money. So it has worked quite well in the past, and I haven't seen any reason or discussion to move that elsewhere." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28658.7985625, "end": 28662.2985625, "text": "Okay, thank you very much. Uh anyone else? Questions? Councillor Atkinson?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28663.378562500002, "end": 28665.9385625, "text": "Counselor Atkinson move. Uh do you have an open?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 28666.6185625, "end": 28699.138562499997, "text": "Yeah, uh this is a great fund. I was at the uh the World Cup watch party and it was amazing to see so many Calgarians having a good time on Stephen Avenue Mall. And I think uh the improvements, things like the the new police station, all of these different pieces are are just adding to the overall vibrancy of the mall, and this is a good piece. It's like many of the other things we've been doing recently where we're just making sure that we're getting our house in order when it comes to the changes in the MGA. So housekeeping, but nice to celebrate uh a cool project." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28700.4385625, "end": 28703.238562500002, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Atkinson. Uh any other debate from members?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28705.1985625, "end": 28706.0185625, "text": "Not seeing any?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28706.3985625, "end": 28707.558562500002, "text": "Uh D me closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 28707.558562500002, "end": 28707.9785625, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28709.058562500002, "end": 28710.138562499997, "text": "Gauge the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28724.1985625, "end": 28725.8385625, "text": "Vice Chair Kelly, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28726.1185625, "end": 28727.5185625, "text": "Let's see the results, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28731.6985625, "end": 28762.9785625, "text": "And that passes unanimously. Moving on to the last item on our agenda, then. Thank you, Administration. Appreciate your your time on that last item. 7.12, Chief Administrative Officer 2026 Q3 Performance Evaluation Check In. If you guys are okay, I'm just gonna see if there's any interest in going into a closed session to uh to have this conversation. I think we're probably pretty good, but I wanted to uh see if anyone wanted to test it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28763.598562500003, "end": 28766.558562500002, "text": "No, not seeing anyone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28767.318562499997, "end": 28770.2185625, "text": "Madam Clerk, what would that then do to our motion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28770.858562499998, "end": 28776.558562500002, "text": "The motion that could be moved by any member of the committee would be that the executive committee" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28776.8985625, "end": 28782.3985625, "text": "receive the report for the corporate record and we are drafting that for you as I speak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28783.2185625, "end": 28783.8985625, "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28784.498562499997, "end": 28792.9385625, "text": "And Councilor, maybe while they uh oh, we've already got it up on the screen. Uh is there a member of the committee who might like to make this motion? Councillor Dollywall?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28793.0785625, "end": 28795.878562500002, "text": "Uh sounds good. Uh do you have an open on this one?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28800.058562500002, "end": 28802.1985625, "text": "You you you wrote this at home, right? Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28805.038562499998, "end": 28824.6185625, "text": "Uh all right, uh not not here, I think. Any debate on this one, Council? I I I want to recognize the fact that uh um uh CA Duckworth is coming to uh to an end with it with his time with us. We're a little bit light here today in terms of uh in terms of our membership. Um but uh we can have a little bit more in-depth conversation in council should we need to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28825.8385625, "end": 28827.6185625, "text": "Okay, not seeing any other debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28828.058562500002, "end": 28829.038562499998, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28829.278562500003, "end": 28831.0785625, "text": "Councilor Delaval, I'll need me closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28831.3985625, "end": 28831.7985625, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28832.678562499997, "end": 28833.558562500002, "text": "Let's engage the evo." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28840.6585625, "end": 28842.238562500002, "text": "Vice Chair Kelly, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28842.638562499997, "end": 28844.0785625, "text": "Let's display the results, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28848.3385625, "end": 28858.278562500003, "text": "And that's carried six nothing. Uh we have no urgent business, no conf no additional confidential items and uh briefings. There is a briefing attached uh for designated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28858.4785625, "end": 28865.8385625, "text": "Designated historic resource property tax cancellation pilot. Hopefully everybody has had an opportunity to give that a read." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28866.458562500004, "end": 28871.418562500003, "text": "Um, not seeing any other business then on the agenda. Can I have a motion to adjourn?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28872.418562500003, "end": 28873.238562500002, "text": "Counselor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28873.818562499997, "end": 28875.918562500003, "text": "uh do we need to vote on that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28878.1985625, "end": 28879.678562499997, "text": "Yeah, all right, fine." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28880.278562500003, "end": 28883.418562500003, "text": "Can I just do a voice vote on that one? Okay, all in favor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 28884.418562500003, "end": 28893.1585625, "text": "Opposed if any, not seeing any. Thank you so much everyone for a good uh executive CUNY. We'll see you next week uh for uh well tomorrow I guess for IPC. Thank you all." } ], "num_speakers": 41 }