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Martin", "start": 1117.565, "end": 1118.325, "text": "Mayor Farkas," }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1118.645, "end": 1118.965, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1120.325, "end": 1129.985, "text": "Oki, Umbawastish, Danita, Tanche. Indigenous peoples have their own names for this area that have been in use long before settlers named this place Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1130.285, "end": 1137.125, "text": "In the Blackfoot language, it's called Mukinstus. The Iskanakotawastabi First Nations refer to this place as Wichispa Oyade." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1137.385, "end": 1140.285, "text": "And the people of the Sotina Nation call it Gutas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1140.645, "end": 1143.305, "text": "The Metis call the Calgary area Otasquini." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1143.765, "end": 1152.105, "text": "We appreciate and acknowledge that we are gathered on the ancestral and traditional territory of the Blackfoot Nations of the Sigzika, Pikani, and Kainai First Nations," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1152.465, "end": 1156.025, "text": "the Eska Nakota Wikistabi First Nations, comprised of the Chinniki," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1156.165, "end": 1160.425, "text": "Berespaw, and Goodstone First Nations, and the Satina First Nation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1160.725, "end": 1164.785, "text": "The city of Calgary is also homeland to the historic Northwest Metis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1165.045, "end": 1172.085, "text": "And to the Tibisawan Metis Government, Metis Nation Battle River Territory, Nose Hill, Metis District 5, and Elbo, Metis District 6." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1172.445, "end": 1178.125, "text": "We acknowledge and give gratitude to the many First Nations, Metis, and Inuit, who live here" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1178.265, "end": 1179.925, "text": "and call Calgary home." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1180.645, "end": 1185.105, "text": "Before we get into the agenda, I'm gonna go first to uh Councillor Shabot," }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1185.445, "end": 1191.345, "text": "uh rather Deputy Mayor Shabot to recognize Aboriginal Awareness Week Calgary and Indigenous Peoples Day." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1191.345, "end": 1194.525, "text": "No, I I'm actually my done my deputy mayor duties, but" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1195.385, "end": 1195.585, "text": "I've" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1195.585, "end": 1198.445, "text": "Oh my god, it's it's Deputy Mayor Tigers." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1199.605, "end": 1201.385, "text": "Co you're back to Councillor, Councillor Shibot." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1201.385, "end": 1202.325, "text": "that's just Councillor." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1202.325, "end": 1204.245, "text": "Oh my god, the days are long but the" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1204.725, "end": 1206.165, "text": "the years are short, my friend." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1206.965, "end": 1208.585, "text": "That's all good. Thanks. Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1209.325, "end": 1210.225, "text": "I I'm" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1210.845, "end": 1211.945, "text": "pleased to um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1212.145, "end": 1213.305, "text": "make this um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1214.485, "end": 1219.645, "text": "the remarks on behalf of Aboriginal Awareness Week, uh, Calgary and Indigenous People's Day." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1220.225, "end": 1222.645, "text": "June is National Indigenous History Month," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1223.085, "end": 1224.805, "text": "a time to honor Indigenous people" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1225.505, "end": 1230.785, "text": "who have lived on this land for thousands of years and who enriched the fabric of our city with vibrance and vitality." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1231.565, "end": 1247.605, "text": "While we strive to celebrate and honor the nations and peoples of this place year-round, Aboriginal Awareness Week Calgary is an opportunity to truly celebrate the strength, resilience, and beauty of Indigenous cultures and to recognize the incredible individuals and communities" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1247.785, "end": 1251.905, "text": "who continue to lead, inspire, and shape a stronger future for all." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1253.045, "end": 1265.525, "text": "Celebrated from June 15th to the 21st, Aboriginal Awareness Week Calgary is a volunteer based, community led initiative focused on creating spaces for open sharing and learning." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1266.485, "end": 1270.305, "text": "Our collective journey of truth and reconciliation involves work that is often heavy" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1270.605, "end": 1271.985, "text": "and at times uncomfortable." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1272.925, "end": 1275.865, "text": "The path to better relationships is built through friendship." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1276.885, "end": 1282.265, "text": "This week I encourage you to take advantage of the opportunity to meet members of Indigenous communities," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1283.125, "end": 1284.345, "text": "build new connections," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1285.205, "end": 1289.485, "text": "and attend events across the city such as the Powwow on National Indigenous Peoples Day." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1290.445, "end": 1295.245, "text": "Celebrated each year on June the 21st, National Indigenous Peoples Day." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1295.465, "end": 1306.865, "text": "Is a particularly special opportunity to learn from and about the diverse cultures, voices, and experiences of First Nations, Inuit, and Metis people in Calgary and across the country." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1307.905, "end": 1316.685, "text": "I'm also pleased to extend an invitation to the Calgary Aboriginal Urban Affairs Committee Awards on Thursday, June 18th at noon, right here in the atrium," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1317.305, "end": 1324.265, "text": "where we will honor those who have shown leadership in building relationships between indigenous and non Indigenous communities." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1324.685, "end": 1325.145, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1325.785, "end": 1327.005, "text": "Thank you, uh Councillor Shabon." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1327.645, "end": 1334.285, "text": "Uh next I have the privilege to recognize Neighbor Day. So colleagues especially uh new incoming" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1334.545, "end": 1450.285, "text": "City Councillors, I think this is pretty much the Super Bowl for all of you. I don't know what your schedules look like, but I think we we got a number of amazing stops, and I'll uh in advance I'll try to share uh my calendar as well. So if I have the opportunity to meet up with you guys uh crisscrossing the city, uh we'll have the the chance to do so. And uh for many Calgarians uh or rather Saturday, June 20th, I should explain, is Neighbor Day. And for many Calgarians, Neighbor Day is every day because our sense of community, our love for our city is a defining feature of this amazing place. But this annual celebration that truly shows off the best of our city has been held on the third Saturday in June since 2014, and it recognizes the strength, togetherness, and resiliency we saw in Calgary following the devastating floods of 2013. Since then, the annual festivities have become an important tradition, with communities hosting a wide range of activities for all ages: block parties, kids' arts and crafts, backyard barbecues, friendly sports games, and community cleanups. Simply put, good things happen when you connect with your neighbors. So whether through a friendly chat or a helping hand, small connections help build stronger communities, stronger partnerships, and stronger friendships for a stronger Calgary. And that is truly the cornerstone of our city. That's what makes our place so great. And once neighborhoods thrive, our city thrives. So whatever way you choose to celebrate Neighbor Day, take the opportunity to showcase the best part of being a Calgarian, showing kindness to your neighbors, celebrating our communities, and sharing the joy we have by being the greatest city in the world. So mark your calendar for June 20th, 2026, and celebrate Neighbor Day with your community. Whether that's in Forest Lawn or Evergreen, Oak Ridge or Saddle Ridge, Ranchlands or Mahogany, there's so many places that make the city great, and it's time for all of them to celebrate their best parts the people who live in them. So for more information about these events, visit calgary.ca slash neighborday." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1451.565, "end": 1454.685, "text": "Alright, first up, uh we'll go for question period to Councillor Shabot, please." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1456.145, "end": 1460.485, "text": "Thank you, Worship. I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to ask administration in advance." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1460.805, "end": 1464.825, "text": "But we just recently got a briefing note specifically on the water main" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1465.205, "end": 1466.945, "text": "and how it was on" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1467.265, "end": 1468.805, "text": "on time. But what I didn't" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1469.205, "end": 1471.145, "text": "see in the briefing note, maybe I missed it," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1471.485, "end": 1473.885, "text": "is where we fall with regards to" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1474.165, "end": 1480.685, "text": "how much we had budgeted for that project and whether or not it's still falling in line with what the projected budget is" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1481.145, "end": 1483.225, "text": "was going to be to actually make that replacement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1484.925, "end": 1489.405, "text": "Uh thanks for the question. So yeah, happy to uh announce uh yesterday" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1489.685, "end": 1492.785, "text": "we did a press presser sent to council a briefing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1493.105, "end": 1502.485, "text": "uh with respect to the Bears Poss Health Feeder Maine and the status of that project. It is on schedule uh to be complete in December of this year, operational this year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1502.785, "end": 1504.965, "text": "Uh we ran over yesterday" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1505.185, "end": 1515.625, "text": "uh the project's divided into two parts stage A, which goes from this Shaganapi pump station to SARS C Trail, and then stage B, which goes from uh SARS C Trail to 89th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1515.965, "end": 1527.305, "text": "Stage A is now 50% done. Happy to say that. It's broken into five micro tunneling segments. Two of those segments are complete. Two of them are about halfway done." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1527.565, "end": 1533.745, "text": "And the fifth one actually launched yesterday as we were out there. And so really excited that that's going" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1533.885, "end": 1551.625, "text": "underway. Stage B, the steel pipe going in the ground along 34th Avenue. That work is starting this week. I was out there yesterday. Crews are setting up fencing and preparing for that work. And so really happy that everything is on track. Obviously, we always let Calgarians know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1551.905, "end": 1559.265, "text": "The existing pipe is terminally ill. It can break at any time. If it does break, we will have to go into water restrictions at that point in time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1559.425, "end": 1582.105, "text": "And so we are tracking that we're ready, should it break, that we will go fix it and put it back into service. Your question specifically with respect to budget, happy to say that we are on budget on this project. The budget that council approved earlier this year. So we are tracking on budget, on schedule. We have a great safety record out there and delivering great quality." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1582.345, "end": 1586.965, "text": "And just have to say thank you to the uh crews that are doing that work and to the community," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1587.265, "end": 1591.005, "text": "especially those in uh Parkdale, Montgomery and Boweness, for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1591.365, "end": 1594.765, "text": "putting up uh with the significant disruption that's going on right now." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1595.445, "end": 1596.985, "text": "Yeah, thank you. Thanks for that." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1597.505, "end": 1603.005, "text": "Like I said, um I heard right through the briefing note, I did see that we were on time, on schedule." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1603.365, "end": 1610.145, "text": "It was the question was more financial more than anything, and happy happy to hear that that we're actually meeting" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1610.465, "end": 1612.025, "text": "sort of the targeted budget for it." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1612.565, "end": 1613.025, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1613.925, "end": 1617.905, "text": "Alright, uh let's move to the confirmation of the agenda. Can I please have a mover for that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1620.685, "end": 1621.325, "text": "Or we can go home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1621.845, "end": 1622.245, "text": "Just kidding." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1622.545, "end": 1626.385, "text": "Alright, that's been moved by uh Councillor Shabot, second by uh Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1627.065, "end": 1631.825, "text": "That is on the table. Any uh further debate on the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1632.605, "end": 1633.025, "text": "Agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1635.025, "end": 1638.065, "text": "Okay, seeing none, uh Mr. Clerk, let's engage the e-vote, please." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1658.005, "end": 1659.445, "text": "Councillor Pandasopoulos," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1659.845, "end": 1660.165, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1660.485, "end": 1661.405, "text": "Councillor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1661.665, "end": 1662.085, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1662.685, "end": 1663.645, "text": "Councillor Dollywall," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1665.005, "end": 1665.845, "text": "Councillor Shabot," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1667.185, "end": 1667.605, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1668.065, "end": 1668.765, "text": "Mayor Farkas," }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1669.165, "end": 1669.525, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1669.705, "end": 1670.445, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1670.765, "end": 1672.285, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1675.425, "end": 1677.125, "text": "All right. That motion is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1677.365, "end": 1678.765, "text": "15 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1679.405, "end": 1687.085, "text": "Uh colleagues, a uh procedural motion was prepared for us at administration's recommendation, and it was to suspend the procedure bylaw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1687.605, "end": 1691.205, "text": "to allow for no limit for questions of clarification." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1691.545, "end": 1696.805, "text": "Uh given the the meaty topic here it may make more sense to allow for a bit more free-ranging discussion. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1697.225, "end": 1698.885, "text": "did anyone want to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1699.485, "end": 1701.605, "text": "make this motion to suspend the procedure by law?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1703.225, "end": 1706.225, "text": "Okay. Moved by Councillor Penizopoulos, seconded by Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1707.045, "end": 1709.845, "text": "Uh it's up on the screen there. Uh any debate on this, colleagues?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1712.285, "end": 1712.505, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1713.105, "end": 1715.625, "text": "Seeing none, uh, let's engage the e vote, please, Mr. Clerk." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1725.705, "end": 1727.085, "text": "Councillor Clark, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "Councillor H. Clark", "start": 1727.565, "end": 1727.985, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1729.445, "end": 1730.125, "text": "Councillor Shabot?" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 1733.205, "end": 1733.665, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1735.405, "end": 1736.005, "text": "Councillor McLean?" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 1736.385, "end": 1736.785, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1737.425, "end": 1738.125, "text": "Mayor Farkas?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 1740.425, "end": 1741.785, "text": "I yes." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 1742.645, "end": 1743.485, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1744.625, "end": 1746.005, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1751.945, "end": 1754.845, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 12 to 3 with councillors Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1755.045, "end": 1757.065, "text": "Johnston, and Dallywell opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1757.825, "end": 1762.465, "text": "All right, so we're up to item 5.1, the Calgary Plan, a strategic conversation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1762.905, "end": 1764.745, "text": "Is there an opening" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1765.125, "end": 1766.425, "text": "administration presentation?" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1772.265, "end": 1773.325, "text": "Yes, there is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1774.485, "end": 1776.825, "text": "I think colleagues we would benefit from the presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 1778.085, "end": 1778.225, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1781.985, "end": 1797.625, "text": "Good morning, Mayor and Council. Welcome to today's strategic session of Council. I'm here with my colleagues, Director of City and Regional Planning, Kathy Davies Murphy, and Andrew Palmier, Principal at O2 Planning and Design. He's our lead consultant on the City Building program." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1798.945, "end": 1811.625, "text": "So while the three of us are the ones presenting to you today, I wish to acknowledge the City Building team members, consultants, and our colleagues across the corporation who have been and are involved in this program. Thank you to all the team." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1813.025, "end": 1836.625, "text": "The Draft Calgary Plan, a modernized version of our 2009 Municipal Development Plan, was crafted with the voices and perspectives of 48,000 Calgarians and 180 different organizations and their members through five phases of engagement. And I'd like to acknowledge and thank everyone who has participated and contributed to shaping the policies of this plan. Calgarians, this is your plan." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1837.985, "end": 1845.465, "text": "Today is our first opportunity to present to and discuss with council, any council, on the city building program." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1846.045, "end": 1853.465, "text": "So I wish to thank you, Council, for your attention today, your focus, your time, and your energy on today's discussion." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1854.425, "end": 1856.805, "text": "Because today is all about engaging with you." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1857.645, "end": 1867.565, "text": "It's your day to let us know your thoughts, your concerns, and your perspectives. Administration is here today to listen, to learn, and to answer any of your questions." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1868.605, "end": 1872.205, "text": "What we want to know is are we on the right path?" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1873.025, "end": 1875.225, "text": "And if not, what needs course correction?" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1876.765, "end": 1909.105, "text": "Today's strategic session is not designed as a typical presentation, hence the procedure bylaw suspension. We have designed the format as best as we can in this forum to be a conversation and provide you the opportunity for that dialogue. So, Council, I do want to bring your attention to the run of the show. And Madam Clerk, were handouts sent out yet? Okay. So you should each have a package or it's coming to you with a run of the show. Essentially, we will be providing an opening presentation." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1909.445, "end": 1926.325, "text": "Question and answer can follow that, kind of on the overview of the Calgary Plan. And then Kathy and Andrew will get into the individual themes. We have four themes today housing and mobility, infrastructure, nature parks and recreation, and economy in downtown." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1926.865, "end": 1938.885, "text": "And again, each theme will have a brief presentation followed by question and answer on that topic. And we we've done it this way to kind of keep the conversation focused on a specific topic." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1940.085, "end": 1957.705, "text": "The package also includes 10 topic cards, which speak to 10 topics within the draft Calgary Plan and what we heard most from Calgarians around those topics. These 10 topics have been grouped into the four themes that we're talking to you today about. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1960.265, "end": 1970.645, "text": "Council, the recommendations before you today are to accept the report, direct us to conduct a six phase of engagement, and then bring the Calgary plan to a public hearing of Council in the new year." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1972.005, "end": 1983.985, "text": "We are not here to make a decision today on the Calgary Plan. The Calgary Plan is a statutory document. It must and needs a public hearing, and that will be when we eventually come back." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 1985.405, "end": 1998.785, "text": "However, as per the purpose of today, we want to know if we're on the correct path. So you may have alternate recommendations for us. We're happy to help you craft those and receive that direction if we are not on the right path." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2000.145, "end": 2001.085, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2003.145, "end": 2038.585, "text": "Today's session is responding to both a notice of motion and a motion arising. So between the report and the presentation before you, we provide a summary of engagement to date, how that engagement feedback has been incorporated into the Calgary plan, along with examples of how these plans will inform and enable growth, development, and mobility decisions. As per the motion arising, the first theme that we're focusing on is housing focused, identifying where and how additional housing can be supported, and clarifying the roles of nodes, corridors, transit areas, and brownfield sites in accommodating growth." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2039.285, "end": 2048.525, "text": "Again, Council, today is your opportunity to dig into the Calgary Plan, ask us questions, seek clarity, and ensure that this plan reflects your vision for Calgary." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2049.485, "end": 2050.505, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2052.225, "end": 2054.385, "text": "So the current municipal development plan" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2054.885, "end": 2061.045, "text": "guides our growth and decisions. It was approved in 2009, over 17 years ago." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2061.745, "end": 2065.905, "text": "So maybe take a moment, just close your eyes for this next paragraph that I read to you." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2066.925, "end": 2086.325, "text": "17 years ago, Calgary was a very different place. In 2009, our population was just over 1 million people. iPhones barely existed. People were still using MySpace. Our skyline looked very different. The bow, the telescope, and the Brook and Brookfield place were not built." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2087.225, "end": 2090.085, "text": "Stony Trail Ring Road was not constructed." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2090.905, "end": 2095.405, "text": "Netflix was not in Canada yet. And Blockbuster was still around." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2096.165, "end": 2101.805, "text": "So no one had even heard of an AI data center. Alright, you're welcome to open your eyes now." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2102.465, "end": 2128.005, "text": "So fast forward to today. We're talking about a city that has almost doubled in size. Calgary has led major Canadian cities in population growth over the last four years. This pace and volume of growth was unanticipated by the 2009 Municipal Development Plan. Today's draft Calgary Plan discussion is an invitation for council to imagine what Calgary can become in the next 30 years." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2128.505, "end": 2143.245, "text": "And to recognize the role that each of us play as council, as city builders, as leaders, community, developers, neighbors, stewards of a city, prepared to welcome its two millionth resident and ultimately on its way for the" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2143.825, "end": 2144.665, "text": "three millionth." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2147.065, "end": 2173.085, "text": "This future will not and should not happen by accident. It will be shaped by policy choices. So again, our ask of you today is to provide us with clear direction so that we can go ahead and finalize the Calgary plan, so that Calgary can move forward with confidence, purpose, and a collective commitment to the next generation. And with that, I'll turn it over to my colleagues to get into the meat of the presentation. Thank you, Council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2178.325, "end": 2179.145, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2183.265, "end": 2186.185, "text": "The Calgary Plan matters because Calgary is rapidly growing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2186.765, "end": 2189.405, "text": "and will continue to attract people from across Canada" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2189.685, "end": 2190.465, "text": "and the world." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2191.405, "end": 2197.105, "text": "There have been several small scale amendments since the Municipal Development Plan came into force in 2009," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2197.525, "end": 2201.005, "text": "and the work on the Calgary Plan reflects a necessitated full review" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2201.405, "end": 2204.705, "text": "and update to make sure land use and mobility policies" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2205.065, "end": 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"Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2560.825, "end": 2565.245, "text": "The Calgary Plan supports a robust economy and opportunity for all Calgarians." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2566.105, "end": 2569.005, "text": "The plan positions Calgary as a fiscally responsible" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2569.525, "end": 2571.145, "text": "and globally competitive city" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2571.565, "end": 2572.985, "text": "by aligning land use" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2573.185, "end": 2574.945, "text": "with infrastructure considerations," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2575.465, "end": 2577.025, "text": "protecting industrial lands," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2577.545, "end": 2579.325, "text": "and delivering efficient commercial" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2580.105, "end": 2581.385, "text": "and logistics networks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2582.205, "end": 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in these in attachment three and in the handout that you were provided at the beginning of the session." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2635.905, "end": 2637.565, "text": "The themes are housing and mobility," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2638.165, "end": 2639.045, "text": "infrastructure," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2639.625, "end": 2641.405, "text": "nature, parks and recreation," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2641.865, "end": 2643.085, "text": "and economy in downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2643.825, "end": 2648.385, "text": "And as GM Hamilton noted, there will be an opportunity to dive deeper into these details" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2648.885, "end": 2650.465, "text": "on each of these four themes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2651.145, "end": 2652.525, "text": "We will start each theme with a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2652.745, "end": 2654.565, "text": "short introductory presentation" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2654.965, "end": 2658.185, "text": "and then address your questions before moving into the next theme." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2658.905, "end": 2659.665, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2661.345, "end": 2663.365, "text": "What's next for the program at this point?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2664.065, "end": 2665.065, "text": "Our plan today" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2665.565, "end": 2667.985, "text": "is to conduct final engagement in the fall," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2668.505, "end": 2673.425, "text": "after which we will will reduce, sorry, we will release the proposed" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2673.805, "end": 2675.945, "text": "drafts of the Calgary Plan and Zoning By Law," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2677.125, "end": 2682.505, "text": "and then bring a final proposed Calgary Plan to Council in January of 2027," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2682.945, "end": 2686.265, "text": "which would be followed by the zoning bylaw in March of the same year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2688.265, "end": 2691.585, "text": "And on the following slide brings us back to the recommendations for today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2691.765, "end": 2693.585, "text": "We're looking forward to the conversation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2693.905, "end": 2694.925, "text": "To hearing from you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2695.485, "end": 2697.865, "text": "And Mayor, that concludes my opening presentation. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2702.265, "end": 2703.405, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 2703.645, "end": 2708.505, "text": "Jim Hamilton, what was your recommendation for how the conversation will flow today?" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2709.685, "end": 2734.545, "text": "So, as per the run of show, mayor, what I would suggest to Council is if you've got questions on about what you just heard, the program overall, maybe engagement that we've done, how we've incorporated engagement, why we need what what is a municipal development plan, why do we need one? Those types of general questions would be a great time now. And then specific ones on specific policies will come in the theme areas. So those will be next. Does that work?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2733.825, "end": 2733.945, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 2734.705, "end": 2747.425, "text": "Yeah, and I I did hear from some of my colleagues a desire at some point to perhaps go into briefly into closed session for discussion on uh to receive some further advice on that. But uh I'm gonna go through the speaker's queue now. Councillor Dallywell, please." }, { "speaker": "Councillor R. Dhaliwal", "start": 2747.725, "end": 2773.905, "text": "Yeah, thanks, Mayor. I I have a motion ready to go into uh in camera, just to start with. I believe uh PDS got some consultants uh with them that can uh take us back into the history and start how this came about. And there could be some questions about uh that we maybe are confidential, cannot be discussed in public. So motion is ready with the clerks, and then let's get that out of the way, then we can come in the public and do the public part." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 2774.685, "end": 2781.005, "text": "All right, uh we'll prep that uh on the clerk's side. Uh Councillor Del will make that motion. Can I please have a seconder?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2782.645, "end": 2784.285, "text": "Uh seconded by uh Councillor Clark." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 2784.765, "end": 2786.845, "text": "Any discussion on this, Councillor Shabot?" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2787.305, "end": 2789.725, "text": "Sorry, I'm my computer's rebooting, so I'm not up" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2790.525, "end": 2790.785, "text": "here." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2791.085, "end": 2791.325, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2791.525, "end": 2793.145, "text": "while I appreciate administration's" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2793.365, "end": 2794.245, "text": "presentation and" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2794.685, "end": 2795.165, "text": "and the" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2795.485, "end": 2797.185, "text": "desire to go along this format." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2797.745, "end": 2798.585, "text": "Um when I was" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2798.785, "end": 2800.365, "text": "going through the document last night," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2800.905, "end": 2801.345, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2801.805, "end": 2802.885, "text": "the Calgary plan, I" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2803.425, "end": 2803.725, "text": "had" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2804.265, "end": 2805.985, "text": "put a whole bunch of sticky notes in my" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2806.305, "end": 2809.785, "text": "binder and different questions I wanted to ask them. They're not actually" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2810.045, "end": 2810.605, "text": "following" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2810.965, "end": 2811.505, "text": "this" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2811.785, "end": 2812.405, "text": "format." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2812.645, "end": 2813.465, "text": "So I'm just wondering," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2813.805, "end": 2815.905, "text": "will I still be able to ask my questions based on" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2816.125, "end": 2818.445, "text": "my sticky notes or do I have to follow this format?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 2819.485, "end": 2824.525, "text": "I I would say you do you, Councillor Shabot, but I'll" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 2824.785, "end": 2826.085, "text": "follow your sticky notes." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2826.145, "end": 2836.485, "text": "I was going to do you different use different words, but yes, Councillor Chabot. If a question doesn't fall within the the themes, we're here to answer any of your questions." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2836.605, "end": 2840.945, "text": "Thank you. Because it may go back and forth, just to be clear." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2842.365, "end": 2843.765, "text": "But I I do have a structure." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 2843.765, "end": 2846.465, "text": "You may test the will of your colleagues around the horseshoe on that." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2847.145, "end": 2849.185, "text": "Oh, I that's already been tested actually." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2850.145, "end": 2851.405, "text": "Thank you. No further questions." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 2851.645, "end": 2859.005, "text": "Yeah, I uh again we we have a little bit more flexibility too with the uh unlimited questions. Again, it's it's it's uh not a goal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2859.965, "end": 2863.305, "text": "Uh Councillor Kelly, did you want to speak on the motion to go into closed session?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2864.345, "end": 2864.625, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2865.425, "end": 2868.565, "text": "Anybody else on this or just process for the day?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2871.685, "end": 2876.265, "text": "Seeing none, uh let's engage the Evo, please, on this motion to go into closed session." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 2885.185, "end": 2886.545, "text": "Councillor Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 2888.045, "end": 2888.305, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 2889.625, "end": 2890.425, "text": "Councillor McLean." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 2892.565, "end": 2892.805, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 2893.365, "end": 2894.065, "text": "Mayor Farkas?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 2896.465, "end": 2896.745, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2900.345, "end": 2901.685, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2904.565, "end": 2907.725, "text": "On that, the uh motion is carried with councillors Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2908.305, "end": 2909.105, "text": "Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2909.505, "end": 2910.165, "text": "Chabot," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2910.865, "end": 2911.725, "text": "Tyres." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2911.905, "end": 2916.525, "text": "Jameson McLean and myself opposed. Uh we will head to the council board room." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 6561.665, "end": 6565.845, "text": "Council will be resuming in public meeting shortly. Please make your way back to the council chamber." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 6827.725, "end": 6831.485, "text": "Welcome back to Calgary City Council. Um Mr. Clerk, please call the rule." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 6832.465, "end": 6835.105, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Pandasopoulos." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 6836.545, "end": 6837.225, "text": "Councillor Schmidt?" }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 6838.205, "end": 6839.025, "text": "Councillor Tyres?" }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 6840.985, "end": 6842.125, "text": "Okay. Councillor Ward." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 6842.845, "end": 6843.745, "text": "Councillor Wyness." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 6844.725, "end": 6845.465, "text": "Councillor Ewell." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 6846.165, "end": 6847.145, "text": "Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 6847.745, "end": 6848.565, "text": "Councillor Chabot?" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 6848.605, "end": 6848.925, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 6849.385, "end": 6850.245, "text": "Councillor Clark." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 6850.965, "end": 6851.885, "text": "Councillor Daliwall." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 6852.785, "end": 6853.665, "text": "Councillor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 6853.985, "end": 6854.525, "text": "Yeah, present." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 6854.905, "end": 6855.805, "text": "Councillor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 6855.925, "end": 6856.105, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 6856.525, "end": 6857.305, "text": "Councillor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 6857.345, "end": 6857.685, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 6858.085, "end": 6859.025, "text": "Councillor McClain," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 6860.445, "end": 6860.745, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 6861.245, "end": 6862.025, "text": "Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 6862.285, "end": 6862.725, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 6864.285, "end": 6872.505, "text": "All right, we are back. Uh colleagues, I'm gonna suggest that we take up administration on the more detailed run through of the plan, what's in the plan," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 6872.925, "end": 6877.705, "text": "what it is, what it isn't. Uh there's a couple different uh focus areas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 6877.965, "end": 6887.905, "text": "Uh perhaps we can keep us uh relatively tight as to the questions. Uh the greater priority, I think, uh, for the vast majority of us is just the transparency so that the public understands." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 6888.245, "end": 6922.045, "text": "Uh what's before us, what the next steps and process is. I I know many of you have uh a bunch of follow-up questions. Uh we'll have the opportunity to do as much as possible that with that we can uh uh here in open and then perhaps we run through to about noon. We'll be able to take our chance to to go uh for our lunch break, and then uh I'll entertain a motion perhaps to to re resume our meeting uh in close session following that to be able to go uh through some of the more uh specific nuts and bolts. So if that's amenable, uh colleagues, uh perhaps we'll go back to you, Jim Hamilton and Director Goldstein, to to go through that uh run through." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 6922.625, "end": 6927.865, "text": "Thank you very much, Mayor and Council. And it's actually Director Davies Murphy, sitting in the case." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 6927.865, "end": 6928.185, "text": "Well" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 6928.925, "end": 6930.025, "text": "Teresa's here every other." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 6930.025, "end": 6930.945, "text": "oh my gosh. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 6933.645, "end": 6935.265, "text": "only worked together 10 years. I'm so sorry." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 6935.265, "end": 6942.045, "text": "I'll leave it at that. Anyway, I will now turn the themes over to uh Director Davies Murphy and uh Andrew Palmere." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 6942.105, "end": 6949.305, "text": "Well, and we need a motion to rise and report. Uh moved by Councillor Dollywell, second by uh Councillor Kelly. Uh all in favor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 6950.045, "end": 6950.805, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 6951.385, "end": 6952.665, "text": "Seeing none, that motion is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 6957.105, "end": 6969.165, "text": "Great, good morning, Council. As Deb mentioned earlier, I'm Andrew Palmier. I'm a principal at O2 Planning and Design. My team and I have been supporting the Calgary City Building Program since 2023." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 6969.445, "end": 6973.245, "text": "The first theme that I wanted to walk you through this morning is housing and mobility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 6974.225, "end": 6975.345, "text": "This theme covers" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 6975.885, "end": 6977.285, "text": "Do we have the slide deck?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6979.905, "end": 6983.985, "text": "Clerks, we have slides in attachment three," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6984.165, "end": 6984.625, "text": "I believe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6985.145, "end": 6985.605, "text": "it is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6986.645, "end": 6987.765, "text": "That we'll walk through. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 6988.325, "end": 6990.205, "text": "Ah, brilliant. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 6991.545, "end": 6993.145, "text": "Perfect. Maybe we'll go to the next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 6993.605, "end": 7007.265, "text": "That's great. We can start right there. The first theme is housing and mobility. This theme covers the most topics and it's the longest presentation because we wanted to be able to discuss the interrelationships between growth, housing, transit, and community context." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7008.265, "end": 7013.405, "text": "As you can imagine, growth, housing, and mobility are front of mind for Calgarians." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7014.025, "end": 7020.685, "text": "Calgarians know that the city is growing and will continue to grow, and that housing and density need to go somewhere." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7021.525, "end": 7026.905, "text": "Many Calgarians told us that the most logical places for density is near transit," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7027.665, "end": 7028.585, "text": "the downtown," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7029.245, "end": 7032.305, "text": "And near or within existing higher density areas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7033.325, "end": 7036.065, "text": "Affordability is also a key issue for Calgarians." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7036.565, "end": 7045.845, "text": "The cost of living crisis is affecting many families. Housing and transportation costs, in particular, are impacting where Calgarians are able to live in our city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7047.025, "end": 7060.345, "text": "We also heard from many Calgarians about how growth and change is impacting their neighborhoods. Each neighborhood has its own unique context, and as the city evolves, people want to know that that context will remain relevant." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7061.145, "end": 7062.025, "text": "And finally," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7062.765, "end": 7068.145, "text": "Calgarians want to be able to move around the city easily and have choices in how they travel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7068.525, "end": 7073.385, "text": "Safety, efficiency, and affordability are critical for all modes of transportation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7074.045, "end": 7082.965, "text": "And one of the big priorities that we heard throughout our engagement process is that they want to make sure, Calgarians want to make sure that kids are able to walk and bike to school safely." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7083.645, "end": 7084.465, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7087.425, "end": 7093.705, "text": "So with regard to density, density is addressed in the city structure map within the draft Calgary Plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7094.345, "end": 7098.125, "text": "This is the main Calgary Plan map that conceptualizes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7098.465, "end": 7102.485, "text": "at the highest level where future growth and density should go" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7102.785, "end": 7105.245, "text": "in alignment with the city's mobility networks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7106.305, "end": 7110.925, "text": "To create this conceptual map, the team started with what needs to be protected" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7111.485, "end": 7119.805, "text": "Calgary's rivers and significant open spaces. Layered onto that are industrial lands, which are critical to Calgary's robust economy," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7120.605, "end": 7124.445, "text": "and our downtown, the economic core and cultural heart of the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7125.325, "end": 7134.805, "text": "We then added on top of those layers the primary transit network and road infrastructure, current and future, which are essential to moving people and goods." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7135.345, "end": 7144.325, "text": "And then we added in Calgary's residential areas. And they were layered into three distinct types or activity areas from the lowest to the highest density of activity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7145.525, "end": 7148.305, "text": "Starting with those, then the light activity area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7148.645, "end": 7152.945, "text": "These are Calgary's primarily residential areas, shown in light yellow on the map." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7153.845, "end": 7163.145, "text": "It takes up about 40% of the city's total area, about 39% and changed to be more precise. And it includes predominantly single detached neighborhoods." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7164.225, "end": 7168.205, "text": "Light activity areas are generally the furthest from the primary transit network." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7169.045, "end": 7190.905, "text": "And then what we then moved into is the moderate activity areas and then the high activity areas. And the moderate activity areas are corridors within about 400 meters along the primary transit network. And this also includes older neighborhoods with graded streets, these corridors were generally there and are already starting to densify and become more mixed use." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7191.545, "end": 7202.125, "text": "And then finally, as you can see in the darkest color, the darkest orange there is the high activity areas. These are 600 meter nodes around the primary transit stations," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7202.865, "end": 7215.185, "text": "plus some main streets, and the existing activity areas that have been concentration of jobs and people. These are transit oriented developments that are planned and are to enable the highest densities in the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7215.805, "end": 7230.805, "text": "And unlike the previous MDP, the new city structure map treats inner city established and greenfield areas as the same. The logic of density connected to transit is applied across the city to existing and new communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7231.665, "end": 7233.725, "text": "Again, the city structure map" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7234.565, "end": 7257.805, "text": "is conceptual and it provides high-level generalized boundaries. It outlines overall intent where density should be focused. But it's citywide and it is at the local area plan level where density, land use, and built form are shaped block by block through extensive dialogue and engagement. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7260.145, "end": 7276.885, "text": "So neighborhood context and housing choice. The Calgary Plan supports housing choice in two key ways. One by enabling a diversity of housing types and tenures across the city, and two by giving the market the flexibility to provide housing and locations that make sense." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7277.625, "end": 7279.105, "text": "As shown by the images," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7279.925, "end": 7285.585, "text": "The Calgary Plan activity areas each enable a range of proposed scales of housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7285.945, "end": 7300.525, "text": "The light activity areas, the ones that are the primarily single detached neighborhoods that we we just saw on the previous slide, really enable low and limited scale with greater scale only if appropriate transitions are provided or it's identified through a local area plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7301.405, "end": 7303.065, "text": "The moderate activity areas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7303.845, "end": 7319.325, "text": "Those include limited to mid-scales, and the mid scale hits up to about 12 stories or less. And then the high activity areas, that's the entire spectrum of building scales where you can start to see towers in the belt line, the downtown, or immediately adjacent to some transit stations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7320.165, "end": 7326.245, "text": "These scales then get refined, and I just want to emphasize that again at the block by block level in local area plans." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7327.045, "end": 7357.985, "text": "In addition to housing choice, the Calgary Plan acknowledges individual neighborhood context and the need for local planning. So there's policies that suggest that. And the reality is local context cannot be defined at a citywide scale. It's just impossible to do when you're at 50,000 feet. Blanket policies for certain types of design, setbacks, or character don't work as they can't address the local nuances of unique and the unique identity of community. This is why the local the Calvary, sorry, this is why the Calvary Plan" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7359.505, "end": 7365.545, "text": "directs local area plans to establish that character and work with the community in acknowledging that context." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7366.045, "end": 7366.985, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7368.145, "end": 7369.645, "text": "Safe and convenient travel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7370.525, "end": 7379.445, "text": "Planning for our citywide mobility networks is critical to make sure that Calgary remains safe and convenient to navigate as the city grows." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7380.305, "end": 7395.345, "text": "The Calgary plan includes network maps for future streets, goods movement, transit, wheeling networks. The plan's policies speak to enabling choice, providing safety for all modes, and enabling more connections between modes of travel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7396.345, "end": 7402.505, "text": "The policies ensure a safe and efficient street network is provided for all modes of transportation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7403.245, "end": 7418.765, "text": "The plan doesn't pick favorites and it doesn't pit modes against one another. The plan focuses on enabling choice. Calgarians want options for how they move through the city, and the plan strives to align land use and mobility, ensuring all transportation choices are legitimate and effective." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7419.425, "end": 7431.625, "text": "Importantly, the plan protects the goods network to keep industry connected and competitive and further Calgary's position as an inland port with integrated road, rail, and air connections." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7432.325, "end": 7443.525, "text": "Fast and frequent transit is also highlighted throughout the plan to make and to make this feasible and affordable option for Calgarians and leverage existing transit investments in the placement of density." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7444.225, "end": 7458.005, "text": "And finally, the plan also enables local area plans to establish specific walking and wheeling priority corridors at a local scale, including ensuring that all school zones are identified as walking priority corridors." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7459.345, "end": 7460.185, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7462.385, "end": 7469.625, "text": "So how do the current municipal how does the current municipal development plan and the draft calgary plan lead to development on the ground?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7470.645, "end": 7479.605, "text": "I have two examples to kind of walk you through quickly, one in a local area plan and one in a greenfield area structure plan. This first example here" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7480.325, "end": 7485.705, "text": "is a recent transit oriented development to the east of the Westbrook LRT station." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7486.205, "end": 7495.365, "text": "This is intended as an illustrative example of applying MDP level policy and how it plays a role in decision making for development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7496.625, "end": 7504.645, "text": "First, the Calgary Plan defines the site as a neighborhood high activity area because it's within 600 meters of the C train station." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7505.305, "end": 7515.305, "text": "The boundaries at the citywide plan level are highly generalized, as you can see here. And it's intended to be defined and refined further through the LAP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7516.065, "end": 7524.125, "text": "And we know that from the Calgary plan, there's a full range of building scales that are appropriate, all the way up to point towers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7524.925, "end": 7550.285, "text": "So then what happens is now the Westbrook Community's local area plan was completed and developed through an intensive public engagement process that then identifies appropriate and contextual land uses, building scale, and mobility links. And in this case, the policy says that this site is appropriate for residential development with optional commercial at grade if they wanted to, to a maximum height of six stories." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7551.325, "end": 7552.845, "text": "This type of refinement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7553.445, "end": 7586.025, "text": "From the conceptual citywide boundaries of the MDP is critical at the LAP level. There is significant context and local engagement that needs to happen at this scale that can't be accomplished at a citywide level. And the draft cavalry plan is less prescriptive than the current MDP, letting LAPs design design, sorry, design more effectively for the local context. And if you take a look here, you can see that you know the broad generalized dark orange and the Calvary Plan got really significantly refined" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7586.425, "end": 7589.585, "text": "through that local engagement and local area plan process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7590.405, "end": 7613.565, "text": "And with the LAP direction in place, council then approved a land use district change for a mixed use one general, which is an exciting name, to allow for a six-story building. And it had a height of 26 meters and FAR 4.6 if you were at all interested. And then administration took that and with through the application process approved the development permit that we now see here on the slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7614.885, "end": 7625.605, "text": "So if I could just deliver one message on this, it's from highly generalized to local to site to construction. And that's the general flow that we see here. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7627.285, "end": 7633.085, "text": "Now, in the second example, is a transit-oriented development in the new community context in Seton." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7633.585, "end": 7640.825, "text": "Similarly to the last example, this is meant to be illustrative of the Calgary Plan, but was completed under the existing MDP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7642.065, "end": 7661.945, "text": "This area is by a future Green Line Station. So again, the Calgary Plan defines the site as a neighborhood high activity. And in this case, the Southeast Center Area Structure Plan allows residential or mixed use development focused around the South Health campus and the future Green Line stations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7663.525, "end": 7666.325, "text": "Council then approved a land use district change." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7666.945, "end": 7703.005, "text": "So again, you can see how it gets refined by the street pattern and it goes from conceptual and it starts to get more and more focused. And then council approved a land use district change to a direct control district to enable apartments and live work and commercial uses. And the building height contextually had to be aligned with the neighboring hospital helicopter requirements defined through a site concept plan. So it's a pretty great example of how local context then gets refined through and which then impacts what can actually be built and designed. And then administration ultimately approved a development permit for a five story development that we now see here in the photograph." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7704.045, "end": 7704.925, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7706.565, "end": 7731.785, "text": "So, one of the things through the Calgary Plan, which we have in the existing MDP, is measuring outcomes. And in this slide, I will end on this theme and how we plan to measure success for the Calgary plan through indicators. For growth, housing, and mobility, the plan has influencing indicators. These are factors that the city can actually directly influence and impact in monitoring indicators, which the city doesn't influence but can help us track progress." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7732.385, "end": 7738.805, "text": "The balancing growth indicator you see here measures the percentage of new housing units in redeveloping areas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7739.885, "end": 7748.205, "text": "The map on the right shows the city's current developing and redeveloping areas, the redeveloping areas being the darker yellow." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7749.205, "end": 7760.585, "text": "Doesn't mean they're all going to redevelop, right? It's just these are established areas, they're defined as redeveloping. And the target for 2050 is 50%. And this is what we've inherited through the existing MDP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7760.985, "end": 7771.025, "text": "And for context, in 2025, we were at 46% of new units in redeveloping areas and 54% in developing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7772.185, "end": 7780.025, "text": "In addition to the 50 50, or sorry, the 50% target, we're also measuring the increase in residential population in the greater downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7780.845, "end": 7787.585, "text": "The percentage of housing units within 600 meters of transit stations, again tied to the high activity nodes," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7788.285, "end": 7791.485, "text": "and the transportation mode split to track the level of choice." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7792.645, "end": 7797.385, "text": "Mayor Farkas, this concludes this section and we welcome any questions and discussion. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 7800.725, "end": 7807.685, "text": "Uh as a reminder, uh how many other sections do we have? Uh similar, probably length in presentation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7808.225, "end": 7812.565, "text": "Mayor Farkas, there are three more. They're relatively shorter than this one, Rose." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 7812.765, "end": 7822.345, "text": "Uh colleagues, I'm gonna suggest we we run through each of the themed uh presentation here so we can just uh get it out and then we'll have the opportunity to maybe go back for some public questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7822.605, "end": 7823.625, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 7823.625, "end": 7824.325, "text": "Thank you, Ms. Davies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7824.325, "end": 7829.045, "text": "We will move into the infrastructure theme, please. Clerks, to the next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7829.745, "end": 7838.405, "text": "This will follow the same format with a quick presentation, and then we'll move we'll just continue to roll into the following two themes. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7840.105, "end": 7846.665, "text": "Infrastructure is something on the minds of a lot of Calgarians, and I know that it is a strategic priority of this council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7847.005, "end": 7857.885, "text": "Our current municipal development plan that was developed in 2009 has very little policy about infrastructure servicing, and that has been addressed through this draft Calgary plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7858.585, "end": 7862.425, "text": "Throughout engagement, we heard two main themes related to infrastructure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7863.205, "end": 7877.165, "text": "First, Calgarians care about the city making responsible investments, a city we can all afford. This means keeping property taxes low, making the most of those tax dollars, and investing in the things that Calgarians care about the most." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7878.005, "end": 7897.865, "text": "And second, when it comes to growth, Calgarians want to know that infrastructure can handle new demand and is upgraded as required. The basics are most important to Calgarians, including water, roads, parks, and recreation facilities. Efficient provision of this infrastructure is vital to our quality of life. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7899.585, "end": 7907.965, "text": "The current MDP does not have a lot of direction about coordinating infrastructure and growth. This is something we have addressed and strengthened in this draft." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7908.645, "end": 7918.765, "text": "The Calvary Plan includes policies on financially sustainable growth, ensuring that land use planning decisions consider long term infrastructure operations and lifecycle costs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7919.665, "end": 7926.725, "text": "Compact and contiguous development, ensuring that servicing and infrastructure networks are extended logically as the city grows." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7928.305, "end": 7940.885, "text": "We also strive to maintain a three to five year supply of serviced land in developing areas. And as of May 2025, we have a seven to ten year supply of serviced land." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7943.005, "end": 7953.005, "text": "Ensuring adequate infrastructure capacity exists for new development, and this is done in many ways through growth applications that are directed through the Calgary Plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7954.365, "end": 7962.705, "text": "There's also specific policies on ensuring the city provides reliable and safe water and sanitary services, which are not currently in the existing MDP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7963.825, "end": 7964.625, "text": "And finally," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7965.465, "end": 7966.945, "text": "the Calgary Plan directs" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7967.665, "end": 7969.265, "text": "the city to assess risk," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7969.685, "end": 7974.865, "text": "measure service levels and asset condition to guide renewal of municipal infrastructure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7975.005, "end": 7978.625, "text": "So that is what we do today, but this puts it into policy," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7979.005, "end": 7982.705, "text": "making sure that investment decisions are tied to data and evidence." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7983.545, "end": 7984.365, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7986.945, "end": 7991.965, "text": "With the previous theme that Andrew went through, I'll talk briefly about the measuring outcomes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7992.825, "end": 8001.505, "text": "So, for infrastructure, the plan sets out two monitoring indicators. These are indicators that the city doesn't have direct influence over but are important to monitor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8002.245, "end": 8008.825, "text": "Here we are looking at infrastructures, current replacement value per capita, and the taxable assessment values." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8009.425, "end": 8015.285, "text": "A city's infrastructure assets such as roads, sewers, fire stations, and libraries have value," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8016.065, "end": 8028.605, "text": "but they also need to be maintained and eventually replaced. If the value of these assets grows faster than the population, it can create a higher long term cost burden and risk the city's financial sustainability." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8029.505, "end": 8032.345, "text": "The asset value per capita has been increasing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8032.745, "end": 8033.585, "text": "over time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8034.585, "end": 8041.265, "text": "In 2017, the inflation adjusted replacement value per capita was about $82,000." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8042.025, "end": 8048.805, "text": "In 2025, that number has increased to $90,000 per capita, which represents an increase of 10%" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8049.605, "end": 8050.985, "text": "since 2017." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8052.785, "end": 8055.305, "text": "Moving on to the taxable assessment values." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8055.745, "end": 8057.225, "text": "This is a measure of growth." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8057.385, "end": 8073.045, "text": "This allows us to monitor the balance between residential and non-residential tax base. If residential growth outpaces other types of growth, this both generates more infrastructure needs and can increase the tax burden to pay for and maintain infrastructure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8074.245, "end": 8084.845, "text": "When infrastructure is built and maintained correctly, it is largely invisible and goes unnoticed. We turn on our taps to get clean water, we flush our toilets and waste disappears." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8085.105, "end": 8088.485, "text": "When we need to commute, we have good connections to our destination." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8089.165, "end": 8097.965, "text": "The indicators help to ensure that we are on target to achieve, maintain, and improve that infrastructure and services. And they work together with other" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8098.885, "end": 8101.685, "text": "performance measures and tools that the city uses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8103.125, "end": 8110.745, "text": "That's the conclusion of the infrastructure section, and we'll I'll hand it over to Andrew to take us through the nature parks and recreation." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 8111.845, "end": 8112.625, "text": "Sounds good, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8112.905, "end": 8113.665, "text": "Great, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8115.005, "end": 8117.625, "text": "Perfect. Nature, parks, and recreation. Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8120.645, "end": 8131.325, "text": "So the Calgary Plan updates direction on natural area protection, access and quality of parks, and access to recreation. Key amenities that make Calgary one of the most livable cities in the world." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8132.445, "end": 8170.705, "text": "Nature, parks, and recreation was one of the topics that was the topic that we heard the most positive feedback on from Calgarians throughout all phases of engagement. Specifically, Calgarians value and want to see greater protections, their natural areas and habitats, including tree canopy and source water protection. They want to balance access to natural areas with their protection goals as a priority. And Calgarians love their parks. They want to see them protected, maintained, and enhanced for all season use and leisure and recreation. And Calgarians also highlighted that gaps in park access and distribution across the city should be looked at." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8171.305, "end": 8186.805, "text": "With regard to recreation, Calgarians want to see recreation infrastructure keep pace with growth and to make sure access to facilities remains affordable. And this means more and improved facilities and programming distributed across the city. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8187.805, "end": 8189.045, "text": "So the Calgary Plan," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8189.685, "end": 8198.385, "text": "so what does it say with regard to natural areas protection? Well the Calgary Plan strengthens existing direction to protect natural systems, but for recreation," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8198.985, "end": 8228.665, "text": "but for both, sorry, recreation and the variety of benefits the green infrastructure system provides to Calgarians, from flood protection to shading our streets. Within the plan, there is an updated ecological network map, and policies have been strengthened to first connect, enhance, and then restore Calgary's natural areas. The Calgary plan also enables our urban canopy targets by protecting trees on city owned lands and directing the provision of more street trees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8229.465, "end": 8237.065, "text": "Additional policies have been added to better protect and buffer significant wetlands, habitats, and ecosystems." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8237.425, "end": 8252.865, "text": "And there are also policies aimed at balancing responsible access to natural spaces with protection goals. So our natural areas remain part of Calgary's quality of life and while contributing and serving important ecological functions. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8254.485, "end": 8267.205, "text": "So, access to high quality parks. The Calgary Plan enhances opportunities to provide an interconnected and distributed park system, aligning with the recently completed Connect Parks Plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8267.725, "end": 8275.365, "text": "The Calgary Plan treats parks as an interconnected system, linking natural areas, parks, and open space, and pathways." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8275.765, "end": 8290.045, "text": "The plan also focuses on filling existing gaps in the system with two main targets for park provision: two hectares of parks per thousand for two hectares of park space per 1,000 people," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8290.845, "end": 8302.225, "text": "LAPs and ASPs in those areas, except for the downtown where it's one hectare per 1,000 people. And all residents should be within 400 meters of a multifunctional park space." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8302.765, "end": 8313.785, "text": "Where it's not possible to meet these targets through acquisition, the plan supports investment in existing parks to improve the quantity and quality of their amenities. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8314.845, "end": 8316.165, "text": "Access to recreation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8317.565, "end": 8333.065, "text": "Calgary Plan incorporates the new vision from Game Plan to improve access to recreation and align investment with growth. This includes making sure there is affordable and all season access to facilities, programs, amenities, and services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8333.925, "end": 8340.685, "text": "Policies to ensure recreation facilities are distributed throughout the city and connected to mobility networks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8341.145, "end": 8348.505, "text": "And addressing gaps through new or improved facilities and amenities, ensuring these amenities keep pace with growth." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8349.385, "end": 8350.245, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8352.005, "end": 8376.545, "text": "In close, the key indicators to measure success from nature parks and recreation are ecological network connectivity, which is measured as the percentage of total natural area that remains connected within an ecological network, trying to look to get to 75%. Ecological network enhancement, which is measured as the total area of land restored in the park system." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8377.265, "end": 8390.205, "text": "Urban forest, which is the percentage of tree canopy coverage with the target of 14%, and park access, the percentage of housing units within 400 meters of multifunctional park with a target of 75%." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8391.145, "end": 8393.705, "text": "This concludes the presentation we have on parks," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8393.885, "end": 8395.305, "text": "natural spaces, and recreation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8395.725, "end": 8396.125, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 8396.785, "end": 8397.405, "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8398.505, "end": 8400.545, "text": "Thank you, clerks. We'll move to our final" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8400.825, "end": 8402.865, "text": "theme, which is economy in downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8403.905, "end": 8411.425, "text": "And this really ties back to the competitiveness outcome that I mentioned in our opening presentation. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8413.085, "end": 8414.645, "text": "So, what do Calgarians care about?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8414.885, "end": 8419.465, "text": "What we heard is that a robust economy that offers opportunity is a priority." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8420.225, "end": 8424.485, "text": "Through engagement, we heard that Calgarians value local retail and services" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8424.745, "end": 8425.705, "text": "close to home," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8425.905, "end": 8429.925, "text": "and that people want to see more job creation across all sectors." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8430.845, "end": 8436.625, "text": "Calgarians also told us that Calgary's economy needs to be diversified and competitive regionally." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8437.145, "end": 8440.645, "text": "Innovation should be encouraged and business made easier." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8441.465, "end": 8449.825, "text": "Generally, Calgarians wanted to see continued revitalization of downtown through economic development, arts, culture, and events." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8450.405, "end": 8453.205, "text": "We also heard from many Calgarians who love living downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8453.825, "end": 8454.765, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8456.945, "end": 8458.845, "text": "And so how does the Calvary Plan do this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8459.645, "end": 8467.005, "text": "The Calvary Plan can influence economic opportunities through land use permissions, mobility networks, and process improvements." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8467.285, "end": 8474.765, "text": "The Calgary Plan enables more small, low-impact businesses in residential areas to bring shops and services closer to home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8475.925, "end": 8483.485, "text": "The plan aims to streamline approvals for businesses and also removes several prescriptive policies for retail and businesses, cutting red tape." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8484.685, "end": 8491.285, "text": "It continues to protect industrial lands. And as Andrew showed previously on the city structure map, that was the purple area" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8491.525, "end": 8492.945, "text": "in that map." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8494.545, "end": 8508.965, "text": "It continues to protect or pardon me, the Calgary Plan enables multiple travel options for safe and convenient access to jobs, and it enables an efficient goods movement network, making sure the city remains connected by road, rail, and air." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8509.685, "end": 8510.585, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8512.525, "end": 8522.785, "text": "The Calrie Plan is one part of the overall strategy for enhancing our downtown, providing high level enabling direction that is detailed further through other action plans and strategies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8523.725, "end": 8529.785, "text": "The Calrie Plan includes policies that reinforce downtown as the civic, cultural, and economic core of our city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8530.265, "end": 8535.745, "text": "It enables more people to live downtown, supporting vibrancy and downtown businesses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8536.485, "end": 8551.385, "text": "It increases the amount and quality of public space in the downtown to support residents, workers, and visitors. And it supports festivals, events, and activations of streets and public spaces, which contribute to livability and our tourism industry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8552.525, "end": 8553.345, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8555.085, "end": 8560.305, "text": "There are two main indicators that we've included to monitor the success of economic outcomes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8560.805, "end": 8562.265, "text": "The first is downtown growth." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8562.725, "end": 8564.325, "text": "The target for 2050" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8564.585, "end": 8566.505, "text": "is 100,000 people total." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8566.725, "end": 8567.665, "text": "Living downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8568.165, "end": 8570.205, "text": "Today we're at about 56,000." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8571.185, "end": 8575.045, "text": "Bringing more residents downtown contributes to the vibrancy and livability" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8575.305, "end": 8576.065, "text": "of the core." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8577.025, "end": 8591.545, "text": "And the second indicator is around taxable assessment values. This again is a monitoring indicator, which we don't influence directly, but is an important piece of information that helps track if our policies are the right ones." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8592.285, "end": 8601.465, "text": "This measures the percent share of residential versus non residential assessment values, allowing us to understand how strong our non residential tax base is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8601.605, "end": 8604.745, "text": "and how it evolves in the downtown as office conversions" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8604.905, "end": 8606.345, "text": "address reduced demand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8606.865, "end": 8610.885, "text": "Mayor Farkas and Council, this is our final theme, and that's all we have for you. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 8611.845, "end": 8616.625, "text": "All right, fantastic. Thank you so much for the uh thorough presentation. I'm gonna move through" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 8617.185, "end": 8619.825, "text": "the speaker skew, starting with uh Councillor Kelly, please." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8622.905, "end": 8667.525, "text": "Uh thank you, Mayor. Um, thank you, Administration, for the presentation. I think we probably will have a motion a little bit later on to give us a little bit more time because uh uh this has been great, like to learn and I I have a bunch of questions that I don't think are fair to go through here today, uh in the in the specific uh theme area. So maybe I'll just keep my questions right now focused on sort of like the overall of the MDP, uh, if if that's okay. Um I wanted to start off with just um from your perspective, uh why do we need an update to the MDP when it was last updated in 2020? Um my understanding is that uh the plan here is to update this document, the municipal development plan every 20 or 30 years. I'm wondering if you can just sort of share." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8668.385, "end": 8672.905, "text": "Why why in your view uh we need an update at this point when it was just updated in 2020?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8673.505, "end": 8675.505, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Kelly, and through the chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8675.705, "end": 8704.405, "text": "The update that was completed in 2020 was what I would characterize as a housekeeping amendment. And really, some of the key themes that were addressed there were to incorporate the city charter and some legislative changes and modernized MGA requirements. There was some outdated outdated language and map updates that were done, and some removal of redundant or confusing policies. And so it was really a clean up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8704.865, "end": 8715.825, "text": "It is best practice and good governance to update your municipal development plan every 10 years. And so I would say we are overdue for that, given that our plan is currently 17 years old." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8716.685, "end": 8721.765, "text": "Um and that last plan that was 17 years ago, as you point out, uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8722.285, "end": 8736.365, "text": "Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I I believe that Imagine Calgary was the basis for that particular MDP. So I'm just curious as we go into this version, uh, what would you sort of define as the the the guidance that we're using for this particular document?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8736.365, "end": 8761.225, "text": "Certainly. So Councillor Kelly through the chair. We'll get in our time machines and go back to Imagine Calgary, which was in 2006, and then Planet Calgary came after in 2007 to 2009. What I would say is the bones of our municipal development plan are strong and they are founded in that work. And so the work in the Calgary Plan builds on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8761.525, "end": 8762.545, "text": "engagement" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8762.985, "end": 8764.925, "text": "really through all of that time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8765.365, "end": 8772.545, "text": "As well as the engagements that we have specifically been doing over the last three years to understand where Calgary is today" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8773.005, "end": 8774.945, "text": "at a city of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8775.225, "end": 8780.085, "text": "1.6, 1.7 million, and what we envision for the next 30 years." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8781.385, "end": 8783.585, "text": "Thank you. I I appreciate that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8784.085, "end": 8785.485, "text": "guidance. Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8786.225, "end": 8794.085, "text": "sort of building on that, the the three goals and I I if I count it correctly, 17 outcomes that are in the document, um uh I" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8794.725, "end": 8801.045, "text": "those are basically what everything else in the document is based off of, correct? Like that's that's what we're trying to accomplish, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8801.905, "end": 8802.565, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8802.985, "end": 8827.505, "text": "And I'm wondering if maybe if you can just give us a little bit of background then where or maybe walk us through a little bit about where those goals or outcomes came from, or um being that 10 of us are are are new around here and we're not part of the previous council on what like were they approved before we began working on the rest of the document? Or yeah, just anything you can give us in terms of a little bit of knowledge about what those uh those three goals and uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8827.945, "end": 8830.805, "text": "17 outcomes, what uh where they came from sort of thing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8832.465, "end": 8836.365, "text": "Great, thank you. So I'll just refer to attachment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8836.545, "end": 8837.285, "text": "to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8837.645, "end": 8840.685, "text": "page 10 of 96, where the goals and outcomes are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8841.065, "end": 8847.385, "text": "in the draft plan. And so there are three goals a people goal, which is Calgary is a healthy, vibrant city for everyone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8847.885, "end": 8852.565, "text": "Environment goal, Calgary respects and protects natural systems, and the economy goal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8852.925, "end": 8858.425, "text": "Calgary's robust, competitive, and diverse economy supports innovation and opportunity for everyone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8858.845, "end": 8866.545, "text": "These are high level goals that were informed by feedback from Calgarians, and it's what we heard is important to Calgarians." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8868.405, "end": 8870.965, "text": "But they weren't approved by council previously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 8871.365, "end": 8874.365, "text": "No council has seen these goals or debated them." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8874.585, "end": 8874.945, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8875.185, "end": 8877.425, "text": "That's good to know. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8878.405, "end": 8907.485, "text": "As mentioned in the presentation, this particular MDP is about half the length of the previous uh version. I'm wondering if you can give us maybe a bit of a summary of what was cut out in order to be able to get it down. I assume we didn't take like full sections, we sort of streamlined a little bit, but I'm wondering if you can just give us a bit of an overview of what uh uh what was taken out and kind of how you got to that point of of uh determining that those were the things that uh were okay to to not be spelled out in detail in this document." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8907.725, "end": 8909.865, "text": "Okay, thank you for the question and through the chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8910.365, "end": 8928.425, "text": "I think the fundamental starting point and where we were able to find efficiency in the plan was by actually bringing the Calgary Transportation Plan and the MDP together as one cohesive document versus two appended documents. So we're able to go through that, find a redundant policy, and a lot of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8928.585, "end": 8944.805, "text": "text that we could actually just flat out remove, which was really helpful to make the document far more legible. And then also with other plans like the Parks Plan, the Connect Parks, and Game Plan coming up as well, we were able to remove redundant policy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8945.705, "end": 8971.365, "text": "Because the MDP didn't need to speak to the specifics anymore that it may have been trying to do in the past. So we were able to find efficiencies there. And then with local area planning process in place, too, we were able to defer and remove some of the policies around context, et cetera, to local area plans and really have the Calgary plan function as a high level strategy or North Star document rather than trying to do so much at once." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 8972.365, "end": 9004.865, "text": "Um a couple of follow-up questions just related to that. You mentioned the local area plans. Obviously, the the majority of the city doesn't currently have a local area plan. So I wonder if you can sort of speak towards when you when you're taking out some of that guidance, as you as you were just saying, to move it over to a local area plan. How do you sort of envision that that working for those communities that don't have a local area plan if they're no longer going to have that sort of uh level of detail that previously was in the MDP, and as you said, probably does more rightfully belong in a local area plan?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9005.965, "end": 9023.045, "text": "So, Councillor Kelly, what I'll start with, and then maybe I'll ask Andrew to continue on, is that about 95% of the city is covered by either an area structure plan or a local area plan. So there is some other statutory plan in place. It may be older and need a refresh," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9023.345, "end": 9025.645, "text": "but there is very little" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9026.105, "end": 9030.485, "text": "of the city that doesn't have some statutory plan providing some guidance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9031.145, "end": 9032.385, "text": "And then I'll ask Andrew to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9032.885, "end": 9033.545, "text": "comment further." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 9034.025, "end": 9065.245, "text": "Right, no, thank you. Uh I in addition to that, actually, what we've also noticed is that the vast majority of development permits that we've received have been in areas with local area plans or in place or area redevelopment plans or area structure plans. So there is definitely an opportunity for a conversation around maybe adding some additional guidance in if we need to, if if that's what council feels is important. But um the general idea that we've noticed and working with through administration on this for the last three years was that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 9066.685, "end": 9075.185, "text": "Most changes occurring in areas where there are plans in place already, and that we can streamline the Calgary Plan more efficiently as a result of that." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 9076.685, "end": 9124.105, "text": "Okay, yeah, look forward to some more conversation about that for sure. I just wanted to sort of pivot back to um you'd mentioned that uh by getting the uh Calgary plan, which if I pull it up here is what uh 96 pages, uh the previous municipal development plan was um 191 pages, and you said you managed to find some streamlining between by by uh combining the the CTP and the MDP. But I recognize the fact that the the the Calgary Transportation Plan, the 2020 version, was 104 pages as well. So that's actually 300 pages that we've managed to get down to 100 pages. I wonder if you can just give me a little bit more there in terms of how do we get the 200 pages, which is my original question, of the MDP down to half of that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 9127.225, "end": 9129.065, "text": "Great. Through through the chair, I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 9130.625, "end": 9137.265, "text": "mean we have Rachel Dillon in the audience. I might get her to come up and ask, give you some of the actual specifics of what we were doing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 9137.905, "end": 9138.245, "text": "But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 9139.105, "end": 9142.165, "text": "when you go and you read the existing cali MDP today," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 9142.425, "end": 9143.125, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 9143.585, "end": 9161.485, "text": "It became very immediate and apparent to us with a mandate of red tape reduction and tran in transparency and ease of access and use that there was a lot of redundancy, a lot of overlapping policy, and we cut. I don't want to misspeak, but I would believe it was around 700" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 9162.005, "end": 9189.725, "text": "policies between the two documents because it felt that they weren't necessary anymore. They were covered in other levels of plans, or they weren't adding any significant value and creating a more legible, simple document for residents to use. I can maybe defer to Rachel, who can give you some more specifics on what we did, as she was one of the primary authors around the Calgary Plan itself and also led the charge of finding those efficiencies." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 9189.985, "end": 9191.665, "text": "Yeah, that'd be great. I'd love to hear some more." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 9193.605, "end": 9286.485, "text": "Hello? Okay. Great. Uh through the chair. Yeah, uh, I'm more than happy to elaborate on how some of that policy bulk got trimmed down. One of the most effective ways that we found in trimming it was to restructure the plan around simple categories of city building. So just by aggregating all the parks policies in one spot, all the rec policies, all the growth policies, we were able to pull out those repetitions because the current municipal development plan is first organized by broad strategic direction that has a lot of overlapping Venn diagrams with each other. So there is repetition to ensure that each strategic direction is fulsome. And then another piece was the current municipal development plan has a transit-oriented development section, and then it also has a typology section that has greenfield areas and established areas and inner city areas all separated, and it also has two sections on main streets and three sections on activity centers, and all a lot of those sections have the same policies in them. So we at by aggregating things together, uh pulling in the and combining transit oriented development with uh the urban main streets and the major activity centers, we were able to really refine the policy bulk there. And then the last thing I would point to was really in at the effort to reduce red tape and streamline, we were able to reduce a lot of." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 9286.725, "end": 9319.665, "text": "Policy content that is very specific, very detailed. For example, we had about 50 policies on specific components of retail, different scales of retail, different locations, different forms, and we are now down to just about a dozen policies on retail. So by trimming a lot of that extraneous detail and prescriptiveness, we were able to simplify as well as achieve our objective to streamline things for businesses. I hope that helps clarify." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 9320.245, "end": 9375.045, "text": "Yeah, it really does. And I I I am I'm I was gonna say we could really nerd out on this because I I might I and I'd like to actually uh if we have the time uh moving forward to the next because I really appreciate that the the the finding of efficiencies within here and streamlining it because I think we've we've definitely heard from uh uh uh from our neighbors about the complexity of some of these things. Um before you run away though, I'll I'll ask this through administration though, but the the next question that I had was uh just specifically around the the the transportation plan. As I said earlier, I think it's like 106 pages or something like that. Current the current version, but now within the document, uh transportation takes up 12 pages, including the map. Um wonder if you can maybe just uh uh speak to that in terms of uh how we managed to get 100 pages down to essentially 11 pages." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 9376.145, "end": 9379.345, "text": "Absolutely. And a lot of that is the same" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 9379.945, "end": 9458.905, "text": "Tactics that we used for the municipal development plan. So the first one I'd speak to is as you could probably visualize in the Calgary Transportation Plan. There's a lot of sections that are broad goals, safety, immobility, transportation demand management, and they hit on the same modes within each section. So by simplifying the plan and structuring policy content on the mode of travel, walking, transit, wheeling, goods movement, we were able to find a lot of efficiencies there. And then there are also sections of the transportation plan that we removed. For example, there's no more high-occupancy vehicle policies in the Calgary plan that are currently in the Calgary Transportation Plan. The Calgary Transportation Plan also has incentive policies for active modes of travel that's no longer in the Calgary Plan. As you'll remember from Andrew's presentation, that the Calgary transportation mobility policies are about balance and not preferring one type of moat over another, but balancing them all together. So anything that incentivized a moat over another, particularly walking and wheeling, is now those incentive policies are gone. And then there's also policies about transportation pricing and other pieces that are also removed from the plan as well." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 9459.665, "end": 9490.185, "text": "Thank you very much. And maybe I'll throw it over to Admin uh G Mahomilton and uh uh uh Director Davies Murphy. Uh any uh I mean obviously this feedback all came in from O2, the from the consultants who's going. I'm just curious, any any sort of thoughts or concerns in terms of any of the stuff that we have stripped out uh that might uh A cause you any any any concerns or or or B are you uh uh excited about a a simplified policy document?" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 9491.045, "end": 9499.105, "text": "Through the chair, um just to be clear, um Councillor Kelly, administration and our consultants worked hand in hand. So we're one team on this." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 9499.105, "end": 9515.105, "text": "Yes, sir. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. Yes. We're getting the detail from the consultant, and this is why I just wanted to uh to double check with administration on the uh uh any concerns related to uh uh the stripping down that your teams may have." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 9515.225, "end": 9532.545, "text": "I think what you heard is that there was a lot of repetition, there were some conflicting policies, it's more difficult to read when you're having to look at policies in different sections, and so the draft before you is streamlined, it's plain language as best as we can, clear, um, and I would" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 9533.045, "end": 9535.245, "text": "I would say probably much easier to use." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 9536.245, "end": 9557.245, "text": "Uh and without getting into bait to debate, I'll say thank you for streamlining it. I I I really appreciate the the the efficiency that uh that you're fine that you're finding in here, and I appreciate hearing that uh we don't have any concerns about anything that has been cut, or at least administration doesn't have any concerns about anything that may have been uh uh cut out. Um I" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 9558.505, "end": 9560.725, "text": "I heard that we don't" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9560.725, "end": 9564.365, "text": "Councillor Kelly, if I if I may, uh I know we have unlimited time right now. Uh" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9564.685, "end": 9571.745, "text": "The intent was to come back after the uh break in uh in closed session, I think is what I heard from uh much of us." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9572.085, "end": 9579.445, "text": "Uh is there any objection to us uh working through until the uh speakers queue uh in open uh concludes?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9580.005, "end": 9585.005, "text": "It's just we have others who are looking to be able to get in in the open opportunity and they may not uh if" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9585.245, "end": 9587.445, "text": "if we don't uh delay our lunch." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 9587.825, "end": 9589.545, "text": "by uh uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 9591.425, "end": 9605.045, "text": "I have one final question in this overall section. Again, like I said at the beginning, I I think that for streamlining here today, I'm happy to not get into the individual section questions. I just wanted to kind of get some overall questions answered first." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9605.045, "end": 9614.865, "text": "Yeah, I'm not putting you on notice, Councillor Kelly, but is just for the rest of us uh as a group here, is there any objection to us just continue our open questions? And then once those are concluded, we'll begin our break." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 9615.225, "end": 9615.725, "text": "For lunch." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 9616.725, "end": 9618.445, "text": "Okay. Seeing no objection, uh, continue." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 9618.445, "end": 9629.625, "text": "Yeah, I'd I probably would have I think we do need a lunch break in there and I'm I I mean while I only see a couple other people in the queue here I I I I could see us having more people to go past noon." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9631.585, "end": 9632.865, "text": "Okay, go carry on." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 9633.445, "end": 9654.665, "text": "Thank you. Um I uh just last question here then I I heard that if we uh uh from you earlier that if we don't approve the Calga plan, we'll need to make some amendments to the current MTP to keep it compliant. I'm wondering if you can give just a brief overview of like what those amendments would be, just so that we as council have an idea in terms of what changes would need to be made." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9654.785, "end": 9658.525, "text": "Certainly. I'll give you two examples. The um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9658.945, "end": 9671.865, "text": "Calgary Metropolitan Region Board wind down. So the current municipal development plan references the regional plan as statutory planning. So we would need to make that amendment to identify" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9672.085, "end": 9676.585, "text": "intermunicipal development plans as a statutory planning document." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9676.925, "end": 9695.885, "text": "The second is that we've had a number of what I call service strategies like Connect Parks and Game Plan approved by council, and the MDP does not align with those. And so the Calvary plan was written to align with those service strategies. We would need to go back and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9696.525, "end": 9698.525, "text": "Update that to ensure that we had alignment." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 9699.505, "end": 9700.805, "text": "Thank you very much. Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 9701.185, "end": 9701.585, "text": "Oh, sorry." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 9701.585, "end": 9701.985, "text": "Mayor." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9702.565, "end": 9704.165, "text": "Councillor uh McLean, please." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9705.285, "end": 9706.185, "text": "Uh thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9706.725, "end": 9708.605, "text": "Uh not so much questions." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9709.705, "end": 9714.105, "text": "Just a statement, I'll make it quick because I don't think it's this got sent back last time" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9714.385, "end": 9714.885, "text": "because" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9715.545, "end": 9718.445, "text": "people didn't like it. This is what we're supposed to do is listen to the people." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9718.765, "end": 9722.985, "text": "I see this a lot like blanket rezoning two point oh. Could you" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9723.145, "end": 9724.085, "text": "maybe pull up" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9724.465, "end": 9725.545, "text": "page fifteen?" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9729.465, "end": 9730.945, "text": "Um maybe fifteen of" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9731.825, "end": 9733.425, "text": "section two point two. This" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9733.745, "end": 9735.045, "text": "this is the map with uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9736.665, "end": 9738.285, "text": "all the big orange orange. There you go." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9738.925, "end": 9740.105, "text": "I'm not gonna enlarge that." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9741.305, "end": 9743.625, "text": "So every one of those orange dots," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9744.105, "end": 9745.825, "text": "especially if you look down on my area," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9747.825, "end": 9749.005, "text": "negating these" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9749.425, "end": 9754.305, "text": "the growth areas. Everybody in the suburbs, we have our growth areas where there's a ton, ton, ton" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9754.745, "end": 9755.505, "text": "of density," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9756.385, "end": 9757.165, "text": "which is fine." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9759.185, "end": 9767.245, "text": "But in this case right here, we're looking at like so Evergreen, Shaughnessy, Woodbine, you're looking at half my ward now is going to be like" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9767.825, "end": 9772.345, "text": "now all of a sudden, and these are single family neighborhoods, it looks like they're going to be densified, like" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9772.845, "end": 9774.085, "text": "to the max." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9774.265, "end": 9774.685, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9775.445, "end": 9776.485, "text": "the war on the car" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9777.245, "end": 9778.125, "text": "accelerated." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9778.605, "end": 9782.245, "text": "I I I think we should be taking this, sending it back," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9782.905, "end": 9785.485, "text": "coming up with something completely brand new." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9786.085, "end": 9786.585, "text": "Um," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9787.065, "end": 9789.125, "text": "I don't know what books or planning" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9790.105, "end": 9792.685, "text": "uh studies that we get these from, if it's from" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9793.165, "end": 9793.805, "text": "from" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9794.585, "end": 9799.085, "text": "the New York City or UBC or whichever I'm telling you, it's probably not from uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9800.085, "end": 9800.685, "text": "Arizona" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9801.845, "end": 9802.545, "text": "or Houston." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9803.685, "end": 9804.865, "text": "This is to me" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9805.585, "end": 9806.485, "text": "uh again." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9807.685, "end": 9809.625, "text": "People aren't gonna like this at all. This is" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9809.985, "end": 9813.325, "text": "massive density. You're not taking into consideration that uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9814.305, "end": 9818.185, "text": "there's already a lot of growth area that's gonna be happening in our in our new communities." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9819.025, "end": 9819.425, "text": "Um yeah," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9819.805, "end": 9823.245, "text": "just be straight simple. I don't know if we want to need to argue this all day long." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9823.785, "end": 9827.805, "text": "We're talking about higher densities than Toronto and Vancouver in this plan." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9828.145, "end": 9828.585, "text": "I mean," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9829.805, "end": 9830.825, "text": "we are not" }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9831.445, "end": 9832.605, "text": "Toronto or Vancouver." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9832.965, "end": 9836.925, "text": "We've got to listen to people. This is Calgary. Let's maybe maybe you admit it to ourselves one time." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9837.265, "end": 9840.825, "text": "Maybe start hiring people or maybe they go to schools where they look at planning and say," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9841.285, "end": 9843.425, "text": "Oh, maybe this is what some Calgarys are looking for." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9843.725, "end": 9848.205, "text": "We just can't keep trying to force this ideology on them that we just, you know, we're not gonna drive cars," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9848.565, "end": 9849.825, "text": "we're all gonna live in condos," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9850.445, "end": 9851.865, "text": "we're not gonna have backyards." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9852.405, "end": 9855.545, "text": "I think someone's maybe gonna bring something later on that we can just send it back." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9855.805, "end": 9859.865, "text": "But no rush to do this, kick it down the can for a couple years. This is important." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9860.265, "end": 9860.705, "text": "Again," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 9861.625, "end": 9862.765, "text": "100% don't like this." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 9865.665, "end": 9867.265, "text": "Can't uh Councillor Jameson, please." }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 9869.005, "end": 9869.625, "text": "Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 9871.605, "end": 9885.065, "text": "Thank you. That Council McLean alleged uh uh so yes, blanket zoning 2.0. Um, since must have much of this work was completed before this council repeal blanket rezoning," }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 9885.705, "end": 9898.145, "text": "what specific changes were made to the Calgary plan following that decision? What aspects of the feedback that we heard from the repeal hearings ref are reflected today in this plan?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9900.885, "end": 9912.165, "text": "Councillor Jameson, thank you. And through the chair, what I want to be really clear about is that the city structure map does not rezone anything. There is no zoning attached" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9912.485, "end": 9914.525, "text": "to this. What this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9914.985, "end": 9917.065, "text": "tells us is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9918.725, "end": 9925.565, "text": "this is what we heard from Calgaryans is density around nodes and corridors. I would say that was a primarily" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9927.345, "end": 9933.065, "text": "Key message that we heard through rezoning is that density should go around the transit network." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9933.345, "end": 9935.985, "text": "And so that's what this plan proposes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9936.465, "end": 9938.925, "text": "The actual built form" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9939.125, "end": 9943.205, "text": "is determined through the area structure plan" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9943.725, "end": 9945.665, "text": "or the local area plan" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9946.065, "end": 9948.425, "text": "and does not mean that every" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9948.625, "end": 9950.645, "text": "transit station will be built out" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9951.165, "end": 9952.145, "text": "to its maximum." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9952.405, "end": 9954.665, "text": "The market and the local community" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9954.985, "end": 9955.445, "text": "will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9956.165, "end": 9957.505, "text": "form what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9957.985, "end": 9959.505, "text": "will happen in these areas." }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 9965.065, "end": 9974.465, "text": "I'm glad that you said that. Uh touching on the LAPs, uh, if a local area plan sets a building scale limit development" }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 9974.745, "end": 9983.685, "text": "uh through the community engagement and the Calgary plan policies would allow greater density, which document prefails" }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 9985.405, "end": 9986.545, "text": "if there's a conflict?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9989.125, "end": 9992.665, "text": "There would unlikely to be a conflict." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9993.025, "end": 9994.685, "text": "What happens through" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9995.325, "end": 10002.205, "text": "the local area plan, and I'd ask Director Goldstein to provide some commentary as well, is that we take" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 10003.025, "end": 10010.505, "text": "this circle around the transit station and it gets refined. And so the local area plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 10011.105, "end": 10014.605, "text": "Would be what the areas on the ground would be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 10012.565, "end": 10012.725, "text": "So you" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 10014.645, "end": 10016.245, "text": "Yeah, Councillor Weness." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 10016.285, "end": 10023.185, "text": "I didn't hear us do an amendment to actually go through our lunch break and previous conversations with this council said we are breaking at lunch and returning." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 10023.385, "end": 10024.265, "text": "So it's now" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 10024.445, "end": 10031.685, "text": "Yeah, I uh I attempted to to seek general consent. I didn't hear an objection. Let's uh let's paper it and have a motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 10031.825, "end": 10032.245, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 10032.545, "end": 10032.785, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 10034.445, "end": 10036.065, "text": "we'll bang the gavel now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 10036.965, "end": 10039.105, "text": "If you do if you feel you didn't have the opportunity." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 10039.345, "end": 10040.745, "text": "So I'm sorry, procedurally." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 10040.745, "end": 10040.965, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 10041.165, "end": 10046.605, "text": "I know that Councillor said previously suggested that we go into close following" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 10046.865, "end": 10048.485, "text": "the the lunch recess," }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 10048.505, "end": 10048.785, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 10048.785, "end": 10053.145, "text": "but I have a bunch of questions I want to get out in the open here before we go into" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 10053.485, "end": 10054.305, "text": "close. So" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 10054.725, "end": 10068.265, "text": "Yeah, my suggestion, uh, Councillor Shabot is that we continue through this open portion into a little bit of lunch, uh into the noon hour in order to get that out. And then when the open questions were concluded, then we could reconvene. But if there's a" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 10068.205, "end": 10070.325, "text": "one I'm trying to raise here. I think we" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 10070.645, "end": 10078.445, "text": "asked per Councillor Wynus, um several of us want to take a lunch break, but I don't think we should conclude the open session." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 10079.125, "end": 10081.165, "text": "And go into camera until we're got" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 10081.165, "end": 10085.345, "text": "Shabot if I can ask you just to just sit for a moment, I'm gonna conclude with Councillor Wynus." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 10085.525, "end": 10115.025, "text": "So, Councillor Wynus, point taken. Uh, you didn't have an opportunity earlier to object. Uh can I I what I'll suggest based on this uh is there somebody who wants to make that motion for us to uh allow for uh us to continue through the the noon hour in order to conclude the public questions? If there isn't somebody who wants to make that motion, I'll bang the gavel now and we'll come back in open session, conclude the open questions, and then when those open questions are concluded, uh we'll go into closed session." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 10115.605, "end": 10116.005, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 10116.065, "end": 10118.385, "text": "If I could I I'm fine to support uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 10118.725, "end": 10119.805, "text": "Councillor Wyne S" }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 10119.985, "end": 10120.845, "text": "in taking a break." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 10120.845, "end": 10138.165, "text": "Yep, so I I'm not hearing somebody making a motion to work through the lunch hour. So that means I'm gonna bang this gavel right now. We're gonna be back at uh 118 and we are going to be continuing it in open session. Once the open session questions are concluded, we will uh go into closed session. Everyone understand?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 10138.565, "end": 10139.245, "text": "Okay, we're good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14738.605, "end": 14742.065, "text": "All right, welcome back to Calgary City Council. Mr. Clerk, please call the roll." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14743.105, "end": 14745.185, "text": "Yes, Mr. Mayor. Councillor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14746.225, "end": 14747.005, "text": "Councillor Ward," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14747.925, "end": 14748.905, "text": "Councillor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14749.405, "end": 14750.225, "text": "Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14750.925, "end": 14751.965, "text": "Councillor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14752.565, "end": 14753.385, "text": "Councillor Chabot," }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 14753.465, "end": 14753.765, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14754.185, "end": 14754.985, "text": "Councillor Clark," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14756.425, "end": 14757.325, "text": "Councillor Dollywall," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14759.205, "end": 14760.165, "text": "Councillor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14761.565, "end": 14762.445, "text": "Councillor Johnson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 14762.565, "end": 14762.745, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14763.425, "end": 14764.205, "text": "Councillor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 14764.445, "end": 14764.805, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14765.525, "end": 14766.265, "text": "Councillor McClain," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14767.485, "end": 14768.225, "text": "Councillor Pairs." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14768.605, "end": 14769.065, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14770.185, "end": 14771.565, "text": "Councillor Pantazopoulos," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14772.325, "end": 14773.065, "text": "Councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14774.185, "end": 14775.005, "text": "Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 14775.305, "end": 14775.685, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14777.825, "end": 14779.165, "text": "And Councillor Clark is here too." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 14781.125, "end": 14786.765, "text": "All right. I I think we last heard from Councillor McLean and next in the queue was Councillor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 14787.265, "end": 14787.505, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 14789.785, "end": 14790.485, "text": "Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 14791.845, "end": 14793.785, "text": "Just uh hi there. A few more questions." }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 14795.865, "end": 14796.485, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 14797.145, "end": 14798.485, "text": "Under under the Calgary" }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 14799.085, "end": 14807.765, "text": "Plan's activity zone designations, how do the maximum building heights and density targets compare to what was" }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 14808.025, "end": 14811.125, "text": "permitted under RCG blanket rezoning?" }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 14813.085, "end": 14814.065, "text": "Or zoning, sorry." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 14814.365, "end": 14820.545, "text": "So I'm just gonna start us off. I'll leave the details to to my two colleagues here, but I'm just gonna" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 14821.145, "end": 14829.445, "text": "do a high-level reminder that the municipal development plan, the draft Calgary plan is policy." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 14830.825, "end": 14837.865, "text": "The zoning bylaw, the land use bylaw that we have is very different, and that is the document that's going to set" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 14838.965, "end": 14846.585, "text": "the specific rules around development. So just I wanted just to make sure that that's clear, and then I'll turn it over to Andrew or Kathy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14849.745, "end": 14854.385, "text": "Thank you. And through the chair. So the municipal development plan or the Calgary Plan" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14854.825, "end": 14856.485, "text": "speaks to building height" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14857.365, "end": 14857.925, "text": "only." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14859.605, "end": 14864.505, "text": "And so the number of stories that could be built, it does not speak to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14864.745, "end": 14867.005, "text": "if that is a single detached home" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14867.545, "end": 14868.805, "text": "or if it is a row home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14869.365, "end": 14871.325, "text": "That is identified" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14871.685, "end": 14872.865, "text": "through the zoning bylaw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14873.025, "end": 14874.185, "text": "and the land use." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14874.525, "end": 14875.805, "text": "That's applied through" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14876.045, "end": 14876.905, "text": "land use change." }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 14880.445, "end": 14887.325, "text": "I understand, okay, yeah. I do understand that it isn't technically rezoning, but here's um the crux here. Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 14888.285, "end": 14898.485, "text": "Once it's adopted, uh the plan directs areas to achieve 150 people and jobs per hectare with no maximum." }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 14899.045, "end": 14901.945, "text": "So can you explain how this is not" }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 14902.665, "end": 14908.965, "text": "a blanket rezoning in the specific zones for greater density in practice?" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 14911.465, "end": 14917.585, "text": "So again, Councillor, through the chair, the municipal development plan sets the high level citywide" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 14918.465, "end": 14919.405, "text": "vision" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 14919.705, "end": 14921.465, "text": "and policy direction." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 14922.185, "end": 14930.265, "text": "And maybe I'll ask maybe we could have clerks bring up the same slides that you went through, Andrew. So um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 14930.265, "end": 14931.065, "text": "Attachment three." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 14931.065, "end": 14933.445, "text": "Attachment three, slide." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 14934.905, "end": 14937.145, "text": "The Westbrook example." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 14937.825, "end": 14938.925, "text": "Slide seven, please." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 14939.545, "end": 14945.545, "text": "And so I'll have Andrew Palmier walk you through that again, Councillor, as to how they relate and" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 14946.905, "end": 14951.505, "text": "be super clear that policy does not change anything on the ground." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 14951.805, "end": 14954.905, "text": "There is no rezoning with the municipal development plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14956.925, "end": 14962.845, "text": "And I think this is a perfect example to sort of try to demonstrate that to you because at the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14963.425, "end": 14966.785, "text": "highest level, the Calgary plan suggests this is a high activity area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14967.365, "end": 14968.025, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14968.705, "end": 14971.825, "text": "the local area plan process then delineates" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14972.585, "end": 14979.365, "text": "what parcels or what blocks are ultimately going to receive the density. And the example that I showed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14980.945, "end": 14992.885, "text": "Ended up in six stories. And that was refined through the LAP. And even the the building scales within the Calvary plan, it's important and they stack into each other. So if you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 14994.225, "end": 15003.265, "text": "are uh the high area, which is 26 or less, the or less is important because it can be six stories and it still complies with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 15003.925, "end": 15012.025, "text": "the Calvary Plan. The whole idea is it's a statement of intent for further refinement and discussion. It doesn't give you development rights." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 15012.525, "end": 15016.205, "text": "It does not result in an automatic rezoning process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 15017.005, "end": 15018.945, "text": "It is actually just a statement of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 15019.425, "end": 15023.545, "text": "we're near a catchment of an LRT or a bus or BRT." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 15023.865, "end": 15026.145, "text": "We now need to work with the community to figure out" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 15026.545, "end": 15031.765, "text": "where transitions need to occur, where the density can actually happen in an appropriate way" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 15032.285, "end": 15035.665, "text": "to minimize impact and to preserve community context." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15036.985, "end": 15040.905, "text": "And if I may, I I would also add that the 150 that you referenced" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15041.205, "end": 15042.865, "text": "is both people and jobs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15043.185, "end": 15044.805, "text": "And so this could be around" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15045.105, "end": 15048.345, "text": "retail locations. So if we look at Westbrook," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15048.705, "end": 15050.765, "text": "there is a Walmart, for example," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15051.085, "end": 15054.145, "text": "within this catchment. That would be counted towards" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15054.545, "end": 15056.185, "text": "that density calculation." }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 15058.505, "end": 15059.025, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 15064.485, "end": 15065.885, "text": "On to Councillor Shabot, please." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15067.385, "end": 15068.085, "text": "thank you. Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15069.265, "end": 15069.705, "text": "I have uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15070.105, "end": 15072.765, "text": "a few points that I wanted to at least raise" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15073.245, "end": 15076.325, "text": "um in the MDP section 2.1.1," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15076.885, "end": 15080.505, "text": "um subsection G. It says highest densities of housing employment," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15080.965, "end": 15085.585, "text": "use of shops, services, and other amenities should be located within 400 meters of existing" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15085.945, "end": 15087.865, "text": "or planned primary transit network." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15088.245, "end": 15093.905, "text": "Whilst I know that this is a policy that previous councils had sort of established as the preferred" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15094.285, "end": 15099.085, "text": "distance from the primary transit networks as being supportive for higher density type housing," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15099.365, "end": 15102.585, "text": "what I personally heard from some of my communities is they" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15102.845, "end": 15108.645, "text": "while they support the concept of higher density development in close proximity to transit" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15108.845, "end": 15119.145, "text": "and the primary transit network, their idea of close proximity is not necessarily what our idea of close proximity and I was going to suggest that we consider" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15119.285, "end": 15135.445, "text": "Amending that 400 meters to 200 meters here and on in close proximity to LRT where it we list 600 meters to maybe scale that back to 400 meters. Again, I know it's not in alignment with what previous council direction was on it, but" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15135.825, "end": 15138.705, "text": "these are the kind of things that I heard from some of my communities." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15139.185, "end": 15173.285, "text": "And also on page 11 of the same section, it says growth investments in redeveloping areas should be prioritized over growth growth investments in developing areas. It kind of begs the question who's going to pay for the upgrades in the infrastructure to accommodate it. In the developing areas, we know that off site levies are primarily responsible for paying upgrades to the infrastructure. In the developed areas, if we prioritize them with regards to growth infrastructure, and of course," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15173.865, "end": 15175.765, "text": "the general public's perception of should." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15175.945, "end": 15188.285, "text": "This is not necessarily the same perception that we have internally. Should is to be interpreted as shall unless you can demonstrate uh that it cannot be delivered. So to me this says will," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15188.765, "end": 15196.025, "text": "shall. It doesn't say shall, but it says should and should is to be interpreted as shall, which is why I'm I'm raising the point here that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15196.825, "end": 15201.505, "text": "while I think they should both equally be given priority, whatever the" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15202.105, "end": 15209.005, "text": "whatever meets the need. We shouldn't be prioritizing one over the other. We should be taking both into consideration into consideration." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15209.265, "end": 15210.945, "text": "Equally from my perspective." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15211.325, "end": 15214.625, "text": "And I just wanted to highlight that and whether or not council agrees with that." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15215.185, "end": 15216.865, "text": "Maybe you want to comment to that, Miss Davis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15216.985, "end": 15217.465, "text": "Certainly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15217.845, "end": 15218.905, "text": "So first we'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15219.265, "end": 15220.905, "text": "address the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15221.345, "end": 15222.905, "text": "600 and 400 meters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15223.505, "end": 15230.105, "text": "A couple of things, uh, those are the existing policies that we have today in our transit-oriented development strategy and in route ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15230.565, "end": 15233.005, "text": "And so happy to have a discussion about what that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15233.565, "end": 15234.825, "text": "how that plays out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15235.265, "end": 15235.945, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15236.545, "end": 15239.805, "text": "thinking about the 200, I think we have to be really" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15240.765, "end": 15248.985, "text": "uh alive to the fact that we around transit oriented developments, we want to have like a gentle scale up of density" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15249.225, "end": 15250.385, "text": "so we don't go from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15250.705, "end": 15251.505, "text": "A single" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15251.925, "end": 15252.665, "text": "residential." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15252.665, "end": 15256.025, "text": "Sorry to interrupt. So TOD you're referring to LRT specifically?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15256.965, "end": 15259.305, "text": "I'm referring to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15260.005, "end": 15261.005, "text": "the neighborhood high" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15261.785, "end": 15262.445, "text": "activity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15264.225, "end": 15265.925, "text": "So it'd be LRT and BRT." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15266.705, "end": 15267.505, "text": "So then that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15267.845, "end": 15269.365, "text": "that's the 600 meters, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15269.365, "end": 15270.205, "text": "That's 600." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15270.225, "end": 15270.425, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15270.805, "end": 15271.445, "text": "And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15272.305, "end": 15274.025, "text": "to allow for" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15275.065, "end": 15275.685, "text": "Transitional." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15275.725, "end": 15277.625, "text": "transitional allowances," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15277.865, "end": 15280.805, "text": "then you know you need a sufficient" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15281.345, "end": 15282.505, "text": "distance to do that." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15282.545, "end": 15282.725, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15282.805, "end": 15284.185, "text": "So that's one consideration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15284.505, "end": 15286.305, "text": "And at the 200" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15286.545, "end": 15288.785, "text": "meter scale, the same thing would apply." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15290.445, "end": 15294.945, "text": "If you went from 400 to 200, that uh are you do you have sufficient transitional space" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15295.505, "end": 15299.585, "text": "to allow for that? So you're not going from a single detached to a tower, perhaps beside you." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15299.905, "end": 15302.665, "text": "All I can say is 400 meter shot is a long shot." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15303.565, "end": 15304.505, "text": "It's a long ways away." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15304.505, "end": 15306.085, "text": "Yeah, happy to have that conversation," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15306.325, "end": 15310.805, "text": "Councillor Chabot. If that's Council's will, then certainly able to look at that. And then if I may" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15311.065, "end": 15312.805, "text": "address your um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15313.385, "end": 15315.305, "text": "prioritization point," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15315.465, "end": 15319.925, "text": "that is the existing policy in the municipal development plan to prioritize" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15320.565, "end": 15321.085, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15321.505, "end": 15323.405, "text": "infrastructure in its established area." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15323.405, "end": 15324.145, "text": "This is a new" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15324.365, "end": 15325.145, "text": "It is." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15325.145, "end": 15325.345, "text": "right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15325.345, "end": 15325.685, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15326.045, "end": 15331.365, "text": "So that's why I'm I'm planting this seed here now. Whether or not it takes root is a whole nother question. I'm just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15331.365, "end": 15334.785, "text": "Absolutely. Happy to have the conversation and listen to the perspectives of uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15334.785, "end": 15338.025, "text": "Thanks. Um under uh housing" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15338.185, "end": 15342.365, "text": "2.1.2 it says um as rapidly grows and" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15342.565, "end": 15346.085, "text": "growing an increasingly diverse city and evolving demands," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15346.685, "end": 15353.605, "text": "blah blah blah, Calgary housing supply must offer options to meet the needs of Calgary Hous." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15353.865, "end": 15355.765, "text": "For me, that's just" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15356.265, "end": 15362.305, "text": "too strong of a word. If it said should here, again, it implies shall." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15362.465, "end": 15366.105, "text": "Unless you can demonstrate otherwise. To me, this must statement" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15366.365, "end": 15367.465, "text": "is too strong here," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15368.345, "end": 15369.405, "text": "in my opinion. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15370.105, "end": 15373.885, "text": "and so Councillor, the preamble is not policy." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15374.545, "end": 15374.805, "text": "okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15374.805, "end": 15376.685, "text": "So, but we're again open to wording" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15377.325, "end": 15378.145, "text": "suggestions." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15378.265, "end": 15380.965, "text": "Yeah, sure, it's preamble. But again," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15381.565, "end": 15383.885, "text": "it sets the stage. And so for me," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15384.105, "end": 15388.305, "text": "it should be reflective of what our intent is, as opposed to making it" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15388.565, "end": 15392.065, "text": "a very hard and fast rule. It implies a hard and fast rule." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15392.565, "end": 15393.085, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15395.305, "end": 15395.805, "text": "there's a" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15396.005, "end": 15397.105, "text": "number of things that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15397.465, "end": 15401.025, "text": "I think council may want to revisit in regards to the housing." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15401.285, "end": 15405.465, "text": "Uh preamble here, including the chart on the bottom, the housing continuum." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15406.025, "end": 15408.345, "text": "Because the housing continuum here, it goes from" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15408.585, "end": 15412.765, "text": "homeless to shelters to transitional housing to social housing, affordable rental," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15413.125, "end": 15414.405, "text": "affordable home ownership." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15414.745, "end": 15417.385, "text": "There are things that are certainly within the control of council." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15417.905, "end": 15423.145, "text": "I don't think necessarily that all of them should be within the control of council or that council" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15423.445, "end": 15425.325, "text": "necessarily is responsible for." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15425.585, "end": 15440.225, "text": "Delivering on every one of these things. While this doesn't state that, it the the implication here is that if it's stated in this document, it sort of implies that we're responsible. So not sure how that can be amended to be more reflective of what it is that we" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15440.845, "end": 15442.105, "text": "can directly impact," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15442.585, "end": 15445.005, "text": "but I think it's something that needs to be considered." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15447.245, "end": 15450.445, "text": "I'm again I'm mostly trying to make some statements here rather than" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15450.805, "end": 15455.045, "text": "then trying to create arguments or or necessarily asking for a response, but" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15455.645, "end": 15461.625, "text": "um there's other places in the document, neighborhood high activity, as we pointed out, the 400 versus 600 meters." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15462.925, "end": 15464.165, "text": "And also the" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15464.905, "end": 15466.305, "text": "under" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15466.845, "end": 15469.105, "text": "this was raised by another one of my colleagues." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15470.745, "end": 15473.345, "text": "To achieve intensities greater than 150 people and" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15473.625, "end": 15475.745, "text": "jobs per gross developable acre," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15476.885, "end": 15479.365, "text": "again, there's a I think there's a" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15479.825, "end": 15482.745, "text": "maybe a concern in regards to this. I get it that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15483.005, "end": 15486.165, "text": "the MDP is the hierarchy document that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15486.485, "end": 15488.245, "text": "that everything has to fall" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15488.445, "end": 15489.045, "text": "um." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15489.405, "end": 15500.825, "text": "Under that, with regards to any subservient documents, IELEPs can't have a higher density than than the MDP, right? The MDP has to have the highest level potential." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15501.165, "end": 15502.065, "text": "Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 15505.285, "end": 15508.285, "text": "Yes, I believe that is correct, Councillor Chabon. I might ask" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 15509.385, "end": 15510.345, "text": "Wilver Sir." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 15512.325, "end": 15527.805, "text": "To maybe come up and speak to just from a league, because this has come up a couple of times, these questions. So just from a legal perspective, Ms. Wilberser, if you can and Ms. Goldstein can share a practical application, but speak to the hierarchy of the plans." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15529.025, "end": 15538.185, "text": "Yeah, so the the MGA nowadays provides us a bit more guidance than it used to, and it does clearly say that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15538.585, "end": 15605.825, "text": "MDPs are in some sense above ARPs and ASPs, the LAPs and the ASPs as we call them now, area structure plans and local area plans. And it says that the local area plans and the area structure plans can't be inconsistent with the MDP. And in the case of an inconsistency, MDP would prevail. But I think we always have to keep in mind that there's a difference, I would say, between a distinction and an inconsistency. So typically what we look for is whether you can comply with two things or not. But in your situation, I would by and large agree with Deb that the MDP needs to allow for something, and then the AER, the local area plan may ratchet it down, but we typically don't allow for something more. But depending on what someone's looking for, we can search for language that may" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15606.385, "end": 15607.805, "text": "allow for things" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15608.245, "end": 15612.765, "text": "if need be. So I would say generally what she said is what I would support." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15613.485, "end": 15623.905, "text": "Yeah, it's uh it's listed under neighborhood high activity policies as that 150, and I think under another section, I think it's a lower threshold, like something like 70." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 15624.725, "end": 15692.685, "text": "So, Councillor Shabeau, what that would give us is the guidance as a place of looking at our local area plans. And if you can put up slide seven again, I think it's really, really clear here because there are two bubbles like that, one around Shaganapi Station and one around Westbrook Station. You can see the two little white dots there. But if you look at the middle image, those transit-oriented development areas look vastly different in the scale that they're being applied. So exactly the same context in Calgary Plan, but made completely different through the local area plan. And that's because it reflects the context. So section 4.3 of the local area plans as they stand today literally says where an amendment or any other part of the planning application that comes in, it must comply with the municipal development plan and it must be consistent with the municipal development plan, but can be more restrictive than the municipal development plan." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15692.685, "end": 15692.985, "text": "And that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 15692.985, "end": 15697.345, "text": "So that's why you see the difference between those two scales on that middle image." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15697.565, "end": 15706.185, "text": "yeah, that's the way I understood it as well. I just wanted to confirm that. Um thank you for that. The um the other concern that I had is something that came up in committee." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15706.625, "end": 15709.785, "text": "Um in regards to the flood hazard uh areas, uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15710.125, "end": 15711.785, "text": "the high hazard flood areas." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15712.025, "end": 15714.425, "text": "Uh of course, um committee decided" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15714.865, "end": 15717.805, "text": "uh that we wanted to have further engagement on it. Of course, this" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15718.045, "end": 15719.885, "text": "policy under 2.3.7" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15720.065, "end": 15724.025, "text": "is reflective more so of what the original bylaw was that was being proposed. So" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15724.345, "end": 15727.825, "text": "not sure. I I assume that we're gonna look at amending this at some point." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15728.005, "end": 15730.685, "text": "So, Councillor Chabot, I had flagged that myself" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15731.045, "end": 15732.685, "text": "as something that we need to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15732.865, "end": 15734.745, "text": "address pending" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15734.925, "end": 15736.065, "text": "the work that's to come." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15736.325, "end": 15737.085, "text": "Okay, thanks." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15737.245, "end": 15737.885, "text": "I just wanted to." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15738.325, "end": 15740.485, "text": "Make sure that we didn't lose sight of that." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15741.265, "end": 15742.665, "text": "I suspected you probably" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15742.805, "end": 15744.565, "text": "had already noticed that yourselves." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15746.505, "end": 15747.085, "text": "The" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15748.105, "end": 15750.765, "text": "one that concerned me was on page 40" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15751.385, "end": 15752.985, "text": "under land policies." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15754.125, "end": 15757.125, "text": "Specifically, the 18 meter development setback" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15757.385, "end": 15760.165, "text": "should be applied from the top of slope of ravines." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15760.645, "end": 15761.085, "text": "Is that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15761.785, "end": 15765.585, "text": "is where did that number come from? Is that an existing policy? I don't recall that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15765.845, "end": 15768.765, "text": "much of a setback from top of bank or top of ravine." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15774.505, "end": 15775.645, "text": "Perhaps um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15775.785, "end": 15777.185, "text": "we'll ask Miss Dillon to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15777.645, "end": 15779.105, "text": "come up and see if she can address that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15780.585, "end": 15781.005, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15786.185, "end": 15801.905, "text": "Hi there, uh through your worship. Uh to answer your question, that 15 meter setback is a policy in the existing municipal development plan. And we undertook some research about the origin of that one, and it dates back to the 1980s. So it's been in a few MDP." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15801.905, "end": 15804.605, "text": "18 meters, right? 18? No. Yeah, I thought you said" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15804.605, "end": 15806.285, "text": "I'm sorry, yes, 18. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15806.285, "end": 15809.225, "text": "okay, sorry. So then so back to 1990s." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15809.345, "end": 15810.785, "text": "1980s. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15810.785, "end": 15811.005, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15811.005, "end": 15812.965, "text": "That was the earliest reference we found to that." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15814.805, "end": 15816.465, "text": "yeah. I I I still don't" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15816.685, "end": 15818.525, "text": "know what the rationale was, but" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15818.725, "end": 15820.345, "text": "certainly like to dig more into that." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15822.685, "end": 15826.005, "text": "If it's slope stability issues or something, geotechnical," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15826.485, "end": 15827.085, "text": "you don't know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15827.405, "end": 15843.465, "text": "I I can help clarify that because as we were investigating it, because that did come up as we were reviewing the existing policies of the municipal development plan. And it comes from views of the escarpments in Calgary and to when you're on like the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15844.125, "end": 15851.445, "text": "Fish Creek Pathway, or if you're walking along the river pathway, that you have a view up to the escarp." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15851.445, "end": 15853.445, "text": "If it's far enough back, you won't see the homes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15853.645, "end": 15853.985, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15854.725, "end": 15855.945, "text": "All right, that makes sense." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15856.805, "end": 15861.205, "text": "Um the uh under f uh urban forestry. Um so" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15861.425, "end": 15862.865, "text": "recently I was at FCM." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15863.305, "end": 15872.205, "text": "Uh Federation of Canadian Municipalities uh function in Edmonton and uh I happen to notice while walking down the street that there are" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15872.865, "end": 15874.605, "text": "trees in the middle of sidewalks," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15875.305, "end": 15885.325, "text": "like lots of trees in the middle of sidewalks. And and yet we have had issues with uh with our trees in close proximity to our sidewalks, but they don't have the problem we have." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15885.745, "end": 15886.205, "text": "Now, I" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15886.545, "end": 15890.205, "text": "don't know if it's because they have vaults underneath that allows for more." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15890.625, "end": 15904.665, "text": "Uh uh root growth or whatnot, but this section here it says the city should invest in tree plantings on city owned lands. Um I'm just wondering whether or not that means that we would also look at incorporating more into the public realm," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15905.145, "end": 15907.825, "text": "but using a different method that we're currently using." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15908.985, "end": 15910.465, "text": "And does this cover that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15910.545, "end": 15912.045, "text": "So, Councillor Shabot, this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 15912.645, "end": 15919.105, "text": "um what you're talking about would be addressed through our street manual, our design guidelines, and that this would take direction from this policy." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15919.225, "end": 15923.545, "text": "Yeah, I don't recall us talking too much about tree vaults recently. I know we had in the past, but" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 15925.405, "end": 15930.185, "text": "I know through the development permits we we talk about" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 15930.805, "end": 15936.945, "text": "tree vaults and what that looks like. So we can take that back to the urban forestry team and talk to them. And" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 15937.545, "end": 15940.345, "text": "if they don't know what Edmonton does, we will find out what Edmonton does." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15940.345, "end": 15944.405, "text": "I think it'd be nice to clarify it. I think it's something that would be would add value" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15944.665, "end": 15945.705, "text": "in our MDP," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15946.145, "end": 15947.445, "text": "at least making reference to it." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15955.345, "end": 15956.625, "text": "Yeah, this one is um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15962.005, "end": 15963.545, "text": "uh general mobility." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15964.145, "end": 15966.345, "text": "Um there's some things here that I" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15966.505, "end": 15970.085, "text": "I think are gonna be challenging to try and implement. And" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15970.525, "end": 15975.085, "text": "I don't like to make reference to something that may not be deliverable." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15975.645, "end": 15976.225, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15976.645, "end": 15990.885, "text": "cities should develop and operate a safe and accessible interconnected mobility system that enables mobility travel options in all parts of the city in all seasons at all times of day. Like, wow, we're setting ourselves up for." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15991.705, "end": 15995.465, "text": "It's for a f for failure here because I don't know how it is that we can actually" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15995.705, "end": 15997.325, "text": "make those kind of commitments." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 15998.605, "end": 15999.825, "text": "I I I just" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16000.705, "end": 16002.765, "text": "I don't know. Maybe maybe it's I'm" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16002.985, "end": 16005.645, "text": "being overly scrutinous of the document by" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16006.805, "end": 16011.425, "text": "you know pointing those kind of things out because we are a winter city when we have major snowstorms," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16011.945, "end": 16013.385, "text": "can't be expected to have our" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16013.945, "end": 16015.205, "text": "roads and pathways" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16015.585, "end": 16018.545, "text": "kept clear at all times of the day every day." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16020.025, "end": 16021.565, "text": "I understand your perspective on that." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16022.665, "end": 16023.365, "text": "I listen," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16023.545, "end": 16024.685, "text": "uh aspirational," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16025.125, "end": 16025.565, "text": "sure." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16025.845, "end": 16027.765, "text": "Uh and it ties back into something" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16028.165, "end": 16029.745, "text": "that uh GM um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16030.225, "end": 16032.085, "text": "Elton and I had over lunch about" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16033.185, "end": 16037.505, "text": "about things like the uh affordable housing element and the fifteen percent of it." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16038.125, "end": 16038.645, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16039.625, "end": 16040.285, "text": "that it should" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16040.705, "end": 16042.445, "text": "read rather that we would" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16042.765, "end": 16044.865, "text": "it should provide fifteen percent," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16045.385, "end": 16049.145, "text": "it should encourage fifteen percent because should imply shall." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16049.565, "end": 16050.025, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16050.745, "end": 16052.105, "text": "and I I'm not sure that." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16052.685, "end": 16055.345, "text": "It's something that we want to mandate as a requirement" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16056.065, "end": 16057.085, "text": "without" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16057.405, "end": 16059.505, "text": "providing some of that flexibility." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16063.925, "end": 16067.525, "text": "Yeah, I I noted something on page 57 only because again" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16067.885, "end": 16072.025, "text": "at FCMI I noticed that there's new technology out there for" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16072.225, "end": 16082.385, "text": "outdoor toilets, like year round toilets, and they have non water um non water serviced solutions for year round um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16082.825, "end": 16084.865, "text": "uh outdoor washrooms." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16085.185, "end": 16091.645, "text": "I I I know it's not really something you want to incorporate in here, but I don't know if it's possible to incorporate something like that into this document." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16092.145, "end": 16094.065, "text": "But I think I think it's something worth visiting" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16095.325, "end": 16096.545, "text": "or worth considering." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16098.125, "end": 16102.805, "text": "And even if that means in adding it under section under page 57," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16103.025, "end": 16105.905, "text": "accessible, inclusive, and all season public washrooms" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16106.725, "end": 16110.665, "text": "and drinking fountains should be provided in highly used areas of parks." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16111.025, "end": 16111.825, "text": "I think there'd be" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16112.205, "end": 16114.025, "text": "certainly some value in having at least" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16114.425, "end": 16115.685, "text": "publicly accessible." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16116.165, "end": 16117.465, "text": "Uh washrooms year-round," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16117.885, "end": 16121.725, "text": "but not necessarily having water services within those facilities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16122.925, "end": 16127.565, "text": "And Councillor Shabot, um you're speaking to innovation as well with new technologies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16127.865, "end": 16130.665, "text": "I think a lot of that comes through design guidelines" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16131.045, "end": 16132.965, "text": "and service plans, and so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16133.565, "end": 16135.325, "text": "happy to take away that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16135.685, "end": 16137.365, "text": "thinking as well with this one." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16138.545, "end": 16143.985, "text": "Um, the only other thing that really stands out for me, and it's something that Andrew s uh stated in his" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16144.225, "end": 16147.525, "text": "in his submission when he was talking about developing versus developed." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16147.945, "end": 16150.725, "text": "You did indicate that in 2025 that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16151.065, "end": 16154.865, "text": "something like what you said, 46% was in the developed area and" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16155.205, "end": 16157.025, "text": "54% in developing." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16157.265, "end": 16157.645, "text": "Is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 16158.325, "end": 16163.365, "text": "I would believe it was 54 and 46." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16163.825, "end": 16171.145, "text": "Okay, and whichever however that plays out into which was what. Um I I think the issue that I have here, and it's it's uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16171.585, "end": 16177.905, "text": "an attachment three, and I'm sure it's incorporated within the rest of the document, when we look at the cumulative total" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16178.265, "end": 16181.705, "text": "um to be 5050, and that's this is where" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16181.925, "end": 16193.685, "text": "uh there's maybe not a clear understanding of what the intent was here. It what basically it says is that at the end of the period, that everything that's been built up to that point," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16193.845, "end": 16197.145, "text": "developing and developed, will equal out." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16197.825, "end": 16198.325, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16198.545, "end": 16207.305, "text": "as long as we are not meeting the 50-50 target, we create a backlog. It's like a bow wave, except a reverse bow wave." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16207.665, "end": 16217.065, "text": "And so we haven't hit the 50-50 target up until recently. So there's a deficit that's been accumulated, which means at some point in time there's gonna have to be some correction the other way." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16217.645, "end": 16236.465, "text": "That's I'm just wondering whether or not there's some value in revisiting that and rebasing our numbers based on the reality of what has happened in the last little while and and be more uh forward-looking in regards to our objectives and and put the past behind us. We didn't achieve 50-50, we've created a deficit." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16237.005, "end": 16252.405, "text": "It's going to be virtually impossible to make up that deficit in the future without going completely the other way. 90% in the developed area, 10% in the greenfield, which I don't think is realistic. If we want to continue to meet the needs of new Calgarians moving to the city," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16253.045, "end": 16254.225, "text": "that's why I'm asking" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16254.365, "end": 16256.785, "text": "should we not consider rebasing our numbers?" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16257.165, "end": 16258.445, "text": "Based on today's reality." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16258.545, "end": 16263.025, "text": "S so maybe Councillor Chabot, a couple of things with the indicator on balanced growth." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16263.445, "end": 16265.865, "text": "The current MDP calls for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16266.345, "end": 16268.085, "text": "50% of the population." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16268.825, "end": 16272.525, "text": "The indicator in the Calgary plan calls for 50% of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16272.785, "end": 16273.885, "text": "new housing units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16274.365, "end": 16277.665, "text": "And so that's a shift. It's not about population, it's about number of units." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16277.765, "end": 16279.785, "text": "Yeah. So new housing units is worse." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16280.165, "end": 16281.105, "text": "Makes it worse." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16281.245, "end": 16282.945, "text": "Well, there have been years we've been close," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16283.345, "end": 16284.425, "text": "I will I will say." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16291.425, "end": 16293.945, "text": "Yeah. And so the cumulative part is the difficult part" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16294.345, "end": 16298.625, "text": "that I see on a go forward basis and trying to achieve that 50 50 at the end of that period." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16299.145, "end": 16300.025, "text": "And and to me," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16300.445, "end": 16304.225, "text": "people housing, housing, which is probably harder to achieve than people." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16304.665, "end": 16305.705, "text": "Because people through" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16305.965, "end": 16307.765, "text": "TOD type development, you can achieve" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16308.005, "end": 16312.805, "text": "a lot of density, a lot of people in a small footprint, maybe just one DP." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16313.205, "end": 16314.205, "text": "put this a lot of" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16314.365, "end": 16316.645, "text": "people in one development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16318.585, "end": 16320.565, "text": "We're seeing a um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16320.885, "end": 16323.405, "text": "a decreasing trend in number of people per unit," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16324.565, "end": 16325.905, "text": "which is what drove this change." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16327.765, "end": 16331.165, "text": "Anyways, uh that pretty much covers most of them. There's other ones that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16331.725, "end": 16336.905, "text": "that I can go over when we have one on ones are not as critical, but those are the ones that I really wanted to highlight." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 16337.305, "end": 16338.125, "text": "Thank you for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 16338.665, "end": 16338.865, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 16340.025, "end": 16341.365, "text": "Over to Councillor Wynus, please." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16344.125, "end": 16344.465, "text": "thanks." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16345.525, "end": 16345.805, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16346.885, "end": 16348.345, "text": "the the fifty fifty goal" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16349.525, "end": 16352.965, "text": "of units, how are we gonna manage the different" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16353.705, "end": 16354.185, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16355.205, "end": 16357.985, "text": "economical conditions? So like you may be building like" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16358.225, "end": 16360.125, "text": "China's GDP built on just building" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16360.365, "end": 16361.065, "text": "empty cities." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16361.605, "end": 16364.065, "text": "Like are we setting ourselves up to go down a path where" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16364.985, "end": 16366.965, "text": "we're just building and not actually servicing" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16367.305, "end": 16368.805, "text": "a population in our community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 16375.125, "end": 16377.265, "text": "Councillor, we need a bit of clarification." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16377.265, "end": 16379.265, "text": "So so you she j she just answered that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16379.545, "end": 16383.505, "text": "part of the fifty fifty was about creating units of the urban center versus greenfield." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16384.525, "end": 16384.885, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16385.285, "end": 16389.965, "text": "if you're doing units as a build out but you don't have a market to actually house people," }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16390.305, "end": 16392.125, "text": "having that as a goal is like a challenge" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16392.645, "end": 16394.445, "text": "both ways is challenging. Is it people" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16394.705, "end": 16396.745, "text": "and forcing people to go into an area they don't want to live" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16397.285, "end": 16398.425, "text": "or is it just" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16398.705, "end": 16400.005, "text": "building for building's sake?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16401.805, "end": 16404.105, "text": "Certainly we can't require" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16404.825, "end": 16407.445, "text": "the market to build units, and so it is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16409.165, "end": 16411.645, "text": "about what are the other strategies that we have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16412.445, "end": 16413.205, "text": "in place." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16413.745, "end": 16418.225, "text": "Um and so 50 50 would be the target regardless of how many housing starts we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16418.745, "end": 16423.725, "text": "have. And um I do have a chart, clerks in the supplemental slides." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16424.045, "end": 16426.125, "text": "Called Balanced Growth Indicator, if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16427.085, "end": 16429.905, "text": "bring that up. This is a look back to 2009" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16430.465, "end": 16431.625, "text": "and the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16431.885, "end": 16433.405, "text": "trend that we've seen and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16433.885, "end": 16436.465, "text": "in up and down markets." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16437.225, "end": 16441.385, "text": "So the pink being the number or percentage of units in redeveloping areas" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16442.065, "end": 16448.305, "text": "and the gray in developing areas. So certainly we've seen more growth of units in developing areas" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16448.725, "end": 16450.245, "text": "over the last 17 years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16450.525, "end": 16451.505, "text": "That has" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16451.985, "end": 16455.005, "text": "resulted in an increase of infrastructure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16455.265, "end": 16457.385, "text": "and costs. And so when we think about our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16457.865, "end": 16459.085, "text": "economic outcome" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16459.345, "end": 16461.505, "text": "and the measure around" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16463.005, "end": 16464.465, "text": "the asset base, the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16465.585, "end": 16466.105, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16466.505, "end": 16467.525, "text": "sorry, I'm losing it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16470.805, "end": 16471.585, "text": "Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16472.565, "end": 16473.125, "text": "Assessment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16473.585, "end": 16477.965, "text": "The the asset, the uh per capita, asset per capita," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16478.545, "end": 16481.805, "text": "we are seeing a a growing an increase in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16482.425, "end": 16484.845, "text": "um cost per capita of assets." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16485.805, "end": 16487.305, "text": "Sorry, the value per" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16487.185, "end": 16487.585, "text": "Assessment done." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16487.585, "end": 16489.445, "text": "replacement value per capita." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16490.025, "end": 16491.425, "text": "Which" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16492.325, "end": 16495.785, "text": "is borne out through utility rates and property tax." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16496.285, "end": 16499.165, "text": "And so what we're trying to do here is both provide" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16499.545, "end": 16501.425, "text": "for choice of housing across the city" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16501.985, "end": 16504.705, "text": "and ensure that we're financially sustainable" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16505.205, "end": 16506.085, "text": "while we're doing it." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16508.485, "end": 16510.145, "text": "Yeah and and even when I read that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16510.745, "end": 16520.525, "text": "Um financially sustainable of our areas. I was I was a little bit challenged by us stating that, given I've asked questions in the past about what was the city's replacement plan for infrastructure" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16521.785, "end": 16523.465, "text": "for communities. And it seemed like" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16523.945, "end": 16530.905, "text": "first in development of certain areas or certain sizes led to infrastructure replacement. Like Marteloup's a prime example where" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16531.245, "end": 16533.585, "text": "industry was leading the replacement of infrastructure," }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16533.885, "end": 16536.805, "text": "not the city leading through a replacement of a pipe." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16537.305, "end": 16541.505, "text": "And so while I read that in this plan, I see failures in other" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16542.085, "end": 16542.425, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16542.825, "end": 16545.025, "text": "thought processes in the city or or pro" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16545.605, "end": 16546.225, "text": "for actually" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16546.505, "end": 16547.345, "text": "making it true." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16548.225, "end": 16552.465, "text": "And that's my challenge. Even when I look at 2025 and you're 54 or 46," }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16552.785, "end": 16553.305, "text": "I feel like" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16553.645, "end": 16556.205, "text": "part of that's coming from the fact that we were using" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16557.105, "end": 16565.065, "text": "$100 million of taxpayer money to incentivize office conversions. Because as soon as office conversions happen, you have the units go flood the market." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16565.725, "end": 16566.225, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16567.345, "end": 16573.285, "text": "if the tax money wasn't there, I think that number would would look very different for an urban cent the downtown" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16574.045, "end": 16575.985, "text": "Unit count versus suburban growth." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16578.925, "end": 16582.085, "text": "So I think I think you've hit on something really important is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16582.865, "end": 16592.585, "text": "a plan that we can implement. And what are the other tools and levers that council wishes to use to achieve these outcomes or the outcomes that we end up with?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16593.025, "end": 16604.465, "text": "And so I'll maybe point to Franklin Station as an example where the city did go ahead and invest in infrastructure upgrades to enable more housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16604.725, "end": 16611.385, "text": "And so if that's sort of the approach that we would want to take to make sites more market ready," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16611.885, "end": 16613.505, "text": "then certainly" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16613.705, "end": 16614.585, "text": "we could do that." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16614.585, "end": 16617.945, "text": "You're pushing a button again because like as I read this document," }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16618.825, "end": 16620.485, "text": "I had the viewpoint that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16620.765, "end": 16623.885, "text": "this was a document created for the city" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16624.225, "end": 16624.745, "text": "to work" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16625.365, "end": 16626.625, "text": "against industry." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16627.165, "end": 16629.905, "text": "So municipal government is actually here to" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16630.065, "end": 16632.905, "text": "create incentivizing policies to get the" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16633.245, "end": 16634.265, "text": "outcome we desire." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16634.725, "end": 16636.465, "text": "Yet in my last term," }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16637.025, "end": 16641.925, "text": "It was the city competing with industry. You look at our TOD site development. We're using" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16642.345, "end": 16646.345, "text": "CMLC to build out TOD sites rather than incentivizing" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16646.885, "end": 16649.325, "text": "community like industry to actually build out." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16650.665, "end": 16651.225, "text": "We're" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16651.505, "end": 16654.085, "text": "downtown conversions, taxpayer incentives." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16654.345, "end": 16659.925, "text": "We're not writing policy that will allow industry to actually have a clear map for delivering" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16660.505, "end": 16665.045, "text": "the product without taxpayers having to pay for it. We're failing to use our policy" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16665.665, "end": 16666.245, "text": "lever" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16666.405, "end": 16669.605, "text": "at this stage of government, and instead we're writing it for." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16670.025, "end": 16674.785, "text": "us to be the applicant for planning. And that's where I'm really challenged with this document." }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 16675.785, "end": 16688.205, "text": "Councillor Weinas through the chair, very happy to meet with you one-on-one. This Calgary plan is supposed to be it's our desire for it to be an enabling document. So if there's things that you're seeing that are not" }, { "speaker": "General Manager D. Hamilton", "start": 16688.625, "end": 16692.045, "text": "helping in that direction, we're happy to have that discussion with you and learn more." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16692.365, "end": 16695.765, "text": "Yeah, like even to what Councillor Shiboa just talked about," }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16696.145, "end": 16697.005, "text": "2.1.2." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16697.345, "end": 16700.205, "text": "Uh the must of market and non market housing." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16700.865, "end": 16703.525, "text": "Again, who's taking the the the cut" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16703.745, "end": 16707.565, "text": "on non market housing? Someone always has to you have a land value." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16707.805, "end": 16711.585, "text": "You either have city giving away land, I really think it should be a lease out program." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16712.065, "end": 16712.525, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16713.505, "end": 16716.465, "text": "And putting that in them as a must in this document" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16717.225, "end": 16721.265, "text": "is going to lead to that expectation. Okay, if you have greenfield and you're out there," }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16721.685, "end": 16722.225, "text": "does the" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16722.385, "end": 16723.925, "text": "greenfield developer have to" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16724.305, "end": 16724.905, "text": "provide" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16725.045, "end": 16726.465, "text": "that must?" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16727.385, "end": 16732.245, "text": "And do we give them tax money in replace? Are we going to buy it or are they just expected to provide it?" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16732.525, "end": 16733.025, "text": "Again," }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16733.545, "end": 16733.945, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16735.905, "end": 16736.485, "text": "having" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16736.885, "end": 16737.525, "text": "been through this" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16737.705, "end": 16740.545, "text": "housing the last four years, I also am challenged by" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16741.185, "end": 16744.125, "text": "the federal government policy shifts on us and how" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16744.885, "end": 16745.245, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16746.425, "end": 16749.945, "text": "Their goals and their incentives lead to this. I can look at CMHC" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16750.205, "end": 16755.105, "text": "stats that support that some of the pro policies that have been enacted by the federal government" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16755.365, "end": 16756.605, "text": "have actually led to more" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16756.885, "end": 16762.085, "text": "commercial owning of houses, and therefore, when no matter how much we talk about affordability in here," }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16762.325, "end": 16766.045, "text": "the federal program is actually backstopping commercial ownership of housing" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16766.345, "end": 16768.085, "text": "and not affordable housing for" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16768.705, "end": 16769.125, "text": "people." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16769.765, "end": 16774.105, "text": "And again, and ownership for people. So when we have a document that is" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16774.425, "end": 16775.645, "text": "Not acknowledging" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16776.405, "end": 16777.145, "text": "data that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16777.945, "end": 16779.605, "text": "we're we're not solving the problem." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16779.785, "end": 16782.005, "text": "And I I get challenged by writing policy on that one." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16782.585, "end": 16783.005, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16784.145, "end": 16790.805, "text": "and some of our goals. So we're gonna have to talk about goals and outcomes. I I talked a little bit with you yesterday about the challenges I see with our goals." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16792.665, "end": 16795.445, "text": "Yeah. Shabot covered quite a bit of what I wanted to cover." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16795.805, "end": 16797.065, "text": "Uh and then when we're on" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16797.565, "end": 16798.005, "text": "flood," }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16798.605, "end": 16803.045, "text": "are you using the flood policy work that council has yet to approve in this document" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16803.425, "end": 16805.905, "text": "that was already pro proposed, or are you?" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16806.125, "end": 16807.425, "text": "Using the old flood" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16808.025, "end": 16809.225, "text": "plan prior" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16809.965, "end": 16811.325, "text": "to the one that was presented to council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16812.685, "end": 16816.025, "text": "So we had flagged that the language that's in the draft plan" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16816.365, "end": 16820.265, "text": "is not congruent with what Infrastructure and Planning Committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16820.725, "end": 16825.085, "text": "had dire had directed administration to look at. So that is something that we would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16825.365, "end": 16828.325, "text": "align once that policy is confirmed." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16829.785, "end": 16833.745, "text": "And then I think there's three different times you used live work, shop, live work," }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16834.105, "end": 16836.865, "text": "visit, play, celebrate, and there's a third one I didn't write down." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16837.305, "end": 16837.645, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16838.705, "end": 16839.925, "text": "again, I I find it" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16840.305, "end": 16842.825, "text": "challenging to read like those campaign slogans" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16843.285, "end": 16844.725, "text": "in a policy document." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16844.905, "end": 16845.525, "text": "It's" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16845.925, "end": 16846.125, "text": "what" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16846.625, "end": 16848.325, "text": "in four or eight years, depending on a" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16848.645, "end": 16852.565, "text": "campaign, will we have to reshift this plan? We need to make a plan that." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16852.885, "end": 16856.185, "text": "Stands the test of time, not campaign slogans worked into it," }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16856.785, "end": 16857.825, "text": "uh, because" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16858.525, "end": 16861.065, "text": "I find that challenging. And oh, the other one I have is" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16861.585, "end": 16862.925, "text": "in your" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16864.685, "end": 16865.225, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16866.405, "end": 16868.165, "text": "conflicts between plans," }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16868.465, "end": 16869.765, "text": "will we be updating" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16870.145, "end": 16870.485, "text": "if" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16870.785, "end": 16875.025, "text": "the new community planning guidebook is at odds? Because the new community if the" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16875.245, "end": 16879.265, "text": "there's inconsistencies between the Calgary plan and the new community planning guidebook, the" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16879.545, "end": 16880.725, "text": "Calgary plan trumps." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16880.985, "end": 16883.485, "text": "So then that really does showcase that we either have to get the plan" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16883.865, "end": 16886.045, "text": "More right for what council expects" }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16886.265, "end": 16888.085, "text": "and then update that plan because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16888.965, "end": 16889.105, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16889.105, "end": 16891.745, "text": "the new community guidebook is already making very good communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16892.125, "end": 16899.225, "text": "So the new community many of the policies in the new community guidebook have been implemented, have been incorporated into the Calvary Plan, which is part of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16899.545, "end": 16900.985, "text": "how we've streamlined things." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16901.385, "end": 16904.105, "text": "So where policies need to be rescinded or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16904.465, "end": 16906.045, "text": "amended to align" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16906.225, "end": 16910.965, "text": "with the final Calgary Plan document, we would ensure that that is brought forward as future amendments." }, { "speaker": "Councillor J. Wyness", "start": 16911.385, "end": 16916.485, "text": "I have a lot of commentary on the downtown but uh section of this, but I'll I'll save that for later. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 16918.725, "end": 16920.705, "text": "All right, uh Councillor Panasopoulos, please." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 16920.705, "end": 16922.525, "text": "Thanks so much." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 16922.865, "end": 16929.405, "text": "Certainly have lots and lots of questions on specifics, but I'm gonna try to keep it really sort of high level and and str sort of strategic just as it" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 16930.245, "end": 16933.525, "text": "relates to the document. Um the first is around the must, should, and may." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 16934.125, "end": 16940.285, "text": "Must is very clear. We must have infrastructure that works. May a nice to have. Maybe just speak to should." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 16940.985, "end": 16941.645, "text": "What does that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 16942.485, "end": 16943.365, "text": "mean?" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 16944.745, "end": 16948.065, "text": "Is it 99 times out of a hundred? Is it every now and then?" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 16948.705, "end": 16950.425, "text": "What is that sort of defining" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 16952.005, "end": 16952.565, "text": "term?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16954.705, "end": 16964.405, "text": "So maybe I'll start and if Andrew wants to. So I'll just refer to attachment to page 9 of 96 where the policy language is defined" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16965.105, "end": 16974.565, "text": "and should mean the policy applies to all situations unless it can be clearly demonstrated to the satisfaction of the city that the policy is not reasonable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16974.865, "end": 16978.925, "text": "And so it's hard to speculate on specific instances," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16979.105, "end": 16983.385, "text": "but it is really guidance to our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16983.765, "end": 16994.525, "text": "Our staff in terms of evaluating plans and proposals and applications and using this policy along with local area plans or other" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 16995.025, "end": 16999.805, "text": "bylaws to help them arrive at a recommendation or decision." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17000.425, "end": 17002.825, "text": "The onus would be on the applicant or" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17003.505, "end": 17005.865, "text": "counsel to say, hey, this is um," }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17006.465, "end": 17008.265, "text": "you know, uh what was the term? Ex uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17010.165, "end": 17012.745, "text": "not reasonable or practical. Like like it's it's essentially" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17014.245, "end": 17018.045, "text": "more often than not. Like you you you'd be the onus on on the individuals if you're under" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17018.045, "end": 17020.965, "text": "An administration who would identify that as a barrier." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17021.885, "end": 17023.205, "text": "Yeah, through the local area plan." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17025.725, "end": 17026.385, "text": "the So if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17026.305, "end": 17030.225, "text": "If we define so for example, I'll just use a hypothetical example." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17030.225, "end": 17030.685, "text": "Beg your pardon?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17030.885, "end": 17032.565, "text": "I'll use a hypothetical example." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17032.925, "end": 17036.005, "text": "If we are looking at development in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17036.265, "end": 17037.205, "text": "a node" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17037.665, "end": 17038.505, "text": "that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17038.725, "end": 17042.125, "text": "the geography doesn't allow for that to happen, that would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17042.585, "end": 17048.285, "text": "something that we could clearly point to and say we would not develop on this site because of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17048.645, "end": 17051.965, "text": "these geographic or or topographic considerations." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17052.785, "end": 17053.365, "text": "Thanks for that." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17053.905, "end": 17061.025, "text": "The one map, I think it's um developing versus redeveloping areas. And and I only how is it defined? How are we" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17061.565, "end": 17068.225, "text": "coming to the conclusion of which areas are my apologies, it's on page um attachment two uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17069.285, "end": 17072.765, "text": "Page uh 73 of 90, page 69, I guess. Uh" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17073.905, "end": 17074.845, "text": "yeah, there it is." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17075.005, "end": 17077.405, "text": "So the the dark orange to the" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17078.225, "end": 17080.265, "text": "yellow? How did we define that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17080.805, "end": 17087.045, "text": "These are defined terms in the in the glossary. So developing areas, these are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17087.945, "end": 17090.445, "text": "areas defined as developing on map eight." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17090.605, "end": 17096.705, "text": "Growth in these areas are usually on vacant land at the city's edge where urban development is occurring for the first time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17097.945, "end": 17098.945, "text": "And if we go" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17099.765, "end": 17101.945, "text": "on the plan to redeveloping areas," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17108.185, "end": 17116.305, "text": "the area identified as redeveloping on map eight, these are typically areas where the first generation of urban development is largely complete." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17116.785, "end": 17122.345, "text": "Growth in these areas usually occurs through redevelopment of existing buildings and already developed lands." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17123.265, "end": 17127.965, "text": "And just look at Ward 6 and any particular reason why communities built in the 60s" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17128.845, "end": 17132.605, "text": "are considered? Like I'm just looking at sort of the glens. Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17133.365, "end": 17138.645, "text": "that one jumped up at me. Uh you know, there's some communities in the south that were built in the 2000s that are considered." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17139.045, "end": 17140.225, "text": "Redeveloping areas." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17140.865, "end": 17147.905, "text": "So was there some metric? Was there 90% of the lots are developed, etc.? I I think of my neighborhood where I live." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17148.345, "end": 17154.185, "text": "It's built out 15, 20 years ago. So just was there some sort of metric, like a data 82%, some threshold?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17154.185, "end": 17159.025, "text": "There is, and it's a typical build out, and it's often when there's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17159.445, "end": 17160.145, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17161.645, "end": 17164.605, "text": "just about 50 vacant lots left. And so that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17164.825, "end": 17167.045, "text": "It flips from a developing area" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17167.385, "end": 17169.445, "text": "to a redeveloping area. It doesn't mean that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17169.765, "end": 17177.065, "text": "it's going to redevelop. It just changes from an area that is developing under a sort of a master development agreement" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17177.525, "end": 17180.545, "text": "to it's more at the individual parcel level." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17180.545, "end": 17188.305, "text": "This is a one on one, but it's an area like Strathcona hasn't had 50 lots since 1996. But that that's a fair. We can we can that's a very specific, so I'll bring that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17188.505, "end": 17189.545, "text": "We can take a look at that" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17189.545, "end": 17190.685, "text": "Yeah, absolutely. No, that'll take that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17190.685, "end": 17191.685, "text": "current as it needs to be." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17192.025, "end": 17198.585, "text": "No street. So back to the the the 25. Um the end the MDP had a basically an aspirational goal of the 25." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17198.925, "end": 17199.585, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17200.165, "end": 17202.645, "text": "units per hectare or acre? I was getting mixed up." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17204.645, "end": 17205.825, "text": "Units per hectare. So" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17206.005, "end": 17208.445, "text": "25. So just just maybe the um" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17209.245, "end": 17216.225, "text": "MDP had sort of an aspirational. This is sort of a hard to jump. I think we came into at 20. Maybe speak to today where we're at," }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17216.705, "end": 17219.725, "text": "and to get to 25 across the city." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17220.745, "end": 17226.645, "text": "Is it even plausible building any single family homes, or does it all have to be more dense than single family?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17226.645, "end": 17228.705, "text": "So in our new communities, we are" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17228.705, "end": 17229.265, "text": "Beg your pardon?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17229.265, "end": 17240.325, "text": "in our new communities we are seeing densities above 25 units per hectare, and that includes a significant amount of single residential units." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17240.865, "end": 17248.505, "text": "So we're so but it's accumulative across the city, so then the the light yellow areas. Um the the new the develop" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17248.505, "end": 17250.525, "text": "Developing areas are exceeding 25 already." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17248.745, "end": 17248.845, "text": "right" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17250.525, "end": 17252.045, "text": "Yeah, we're seeing 27" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17252.705, "end": 17256.745, "text": "27 to 30 units per hectare on current applications." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17256.745, "end": 17258.765, "text": "so it's backing in essentially go ahead" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17262.725, "end": 17281.485, "text": "Sorry, my apologies. Uh the 25 units per hectare only applies to developing areas. It doesn't apply to developed areas. So it's only to the greenfield communities. And those communities are currently being developed at 26-27 units per hectare. So we're meeting them at the densities they're currently building." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17281.485, "end": 17293.725, "text": "one guiding principle the document later says develop developing and redeveloping are treated identical. So so there's sir there is an exception. So I could find the point, I think it's like appendix seven or eight. It says we treat identical, there's no" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17294.065, "end": 17296.965, "text": "differentiation. So there is some differentiation between developing and" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17297.285, "end": 17298.165, "text": "redeveloping." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17298.545, "end": 17303.985, "text": "Yes, in in each of the neighborhood activity areas, the first policy," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17304.305, "end": 17315.665, "text": "the first two policies, one addresses developing and one develop uh is redeveloping. So they're they each have their own policy statement under the activity areas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17317.485, "end": 17319.705, "text": "I would believe part of that statement though, too, was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17320.305, "end": 17323.065, "text": "um it was in my presentation, was the idea that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17323.785, "end": 17326.205, "text": "whether it's a developing area or it's redeveloping," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17326.345, "end": 17332.165, "text": "that we take advantage of transit, that we look at uh diversity of housing types and options across the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17332.725, "end": 17337.305, "text": "That's specifically where we were referencing that we're treat we're not treating them" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17337.945, "end": 17343.485, "text": "differently anymore. We want to take advantage of transit, we want to take advantage of having a diversity of housing options." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17343.825, "end": 17344.105, "text": "But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 17344.765, "end": 17349.965, "text": "with the developing areas is the 25 units per hectare, which industry is already exceeding." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17350.785, "end": 17352.505, "text": "And Councillor Pantozopoulos, our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17352.825, "end": 17356.365, "text": "redeveloping areas are averaging about 17 units per hectare," }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17356.545, "end": 17357.345, "text": "Current status." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17357.345, "end": 17358.125, "text": "current status." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17358.125, "end": 17358.505, "text": "Got it." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17359.085, "end": 17363.025, "text": "So any redevelopment. Okay. Okay. The couple questions to take off offline." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17363.185, "end": 17380.545, "text": "Maybe engagement. You know, 47,600, give or take Calgary's is a lot. We saw a black line from the 2024 version to today, uh, 30 months. Maybe just speak to the engagement. Um, what was fundamentally changed? You know, ultimately we had an election, we had a repeal of blanket rezoning." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17380.905, "end": 17381.905, "text": "What did" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17382.625, "end": 17388.785, "text": "the plan from the black line to today's uh what material changes can you sort of point to and say, wow, based on" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17390.165, "end": 17392.605, "text": "The 10,000 or 20,000 Kelgarans we spoke to" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17392.845, "end": 17395.085, "text": "changed. I didn't read a lot of change, but" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17395.985, "end": 17398.105, "text": "uh sometimes reading black lines is difficult. Thank you, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17398.785, "end": 17404.525, "text": "Uh uh through your worship, thank you for the question. Yeah, um specifically since the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17405.225, "end": 17405.825, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17406.245, "end": 17503.925, "text": "We the last engagement period, the big headlines that we heard from engagement was context, street trees, infrastructure. So we made surgical amendments, and you're absolutely correct, there wasn't a ton of amendments, but we specifically added one new policy under the growth section 2.1.1 about ensuring new development aligns with the context of the area that it is developing in. We also added another context policy under the site design section later in the plan, again, reinforcing what we heard from the community that each community is unique and has unique considerations that development needs to respond to. So we added a policy about that. And additionally, we have been hearing a lot of concern about infrastructure keeping pace with growth. So we added a policy in the growth section specifically addressing that, and another one in chapter five addressing aligning life cycle improvements with growth and ensuring that we're managing our asset portfolio sustainably and meeting the needs of Calgarians. We also added a couple policies, one under neighborhood high activity and one under neighborhood moderate activity, about public spaces keeping pace with growth. We've been hearing a lot of concerns from communities about parks and green spaces and the extra pressure, extra population places on them. So we added that. We added in a policy about street trees. That was one of the character defining elements we hear from a lot of communities that they're worried about the urban canopy and the greenness of their community disappearing. So we added another policy there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17504.965, "end": 17512.225, "text": "Oh, and we changed a couple I'm sorry, um we changed a couple parking policies as well in response to what we've been hearing from the public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17512.865, "end": 17514.785, "text": "Instead of having uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17515.285, "end": 17529.645, "text": "We added a policy wording that talks about parking, specifically on-street parking, meeting the needs of residents, visitors, and businesses, as well as having the development authority, which would be the city of Calgary, determine parking provision." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17531.145, "end": 17536.505, "text": "That that's really good in the next community. Um, you know, one thing we heard through" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17537.025, "end": 17543.705, "text": "election blanket rezoning was community context, and it's been referenced a lot. And it comes to saying you'll you'll get it at LAP." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17544.285, "end": 17549.885, "text": "But we had our legal team very clearly state but LAP is subservient, if you will, to the MDP." }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17550.325, "end": 17553.285, "text": "And and there's lots of referencings you know through the document about" }, { "speaker": "Councillor / Deputy Mayor J. Pantazopoulos", "start": 17553.985, "end": 17560.965, "text": "redeveloping, developing the same. So so maybe just just just with that. We're treating communities identical. It's 600 meters, no if, ands, or buts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17562.545, "end": 17570.845, "text": "There's an exception, uh a should, you have to now prove why um there. Community clearly wanted that local context." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17571.205, "end": 17598.385, "text": "It feels subservant. Maybe just talk to where in this document does it codify that you know community, the voice is important. It's not a secondary, as long as you meet the MDP, if there's ever contradictory, like where does that come up? That that would have come through the engagement that we really want local context. So just speak to that where that sort of jumps in there. That community voice is heard, it has a powerful voice, and it's not a if you meet these 10 criteria, eh, we'll think about it. Where does it jump up and where did I miss that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17599.405, "end": 17603.345, "text": "Absolutely. Thank you through your worship. There are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17604.485, "end": 17652.905, "text": "The two context policies that I mentioned in my previous summary, and then we do have a section in the end of the plan about engagement and particularly the local area planning process. And how we were thinking about it as we were going through the detailed comments from the public was that the municipal development plan, Calgary Plan's role is really stressing that context needs to be considered in development, and then the local area planning role is to define what that unique character is that is specific to that community. So, how we can ensure those two plans speak to those two different scales, and that chapter five content about local area planning as well as engagement with the public is intended to ensure that commitment to that conversation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17653.225, "end": 17671.045, "text": "Maybe Tid Midden, would would you use the words must? Could we change that through the documents when it comes to community? And how would that materially change? Right now I think it's a may or should, like I know engagement was a may, should, I can't think of the item, but make it a must, local context must, which then carries a higher level of requirement. Any how does that materially change?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17671.865, "end": 17673.285, "text": "What you think this document will achieve?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17674.365, "end": 17681.885, "text": "So Councillor Pantozopoulos, um if those are the sorts of things that we'd be looking for council to provide some direction on," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17682.245, "end": 17685.045, "text": "um happy to have that conversation further." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17685.525, "end": 17689.265, "text": "Um and there is the maybe I'll just add on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17689.785, "end": 17696.145, "text": "Page 74 of 96, attachment two, there is the planning and redeveloping areas, local area plans policy. That may be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17696.605, "end": 17700.945, "text": "a good area to consider if there's strength and language that you would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17701.325, "end": 17702.225, "text": "that council would like." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17702.885, "end": 17704.585, "text": "Thank you so much. Maybe just uh two more." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17704.725, "end": 17708.345, "text": "Um the the 40% transportation goal, I think it's walking," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17708.565, "end": 17710.825, "text": "wheeling, and transit, I believe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17711.225, "end": 17713.445, "text": "Um right now we're 80 plus percent" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17713.665, "end": 17714.985, "text": "um costing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17715.265, "end": 17720.145, "text": "You know, how what is that gonna require to get there as we grow to a city of two million plus?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17720.385, "end": 17727.265, "text": "Um the ridership goes up and the 40%, you know, we have to go from 80 something to 40. Like what does that look like? What does our transit" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17727.625, "end": 17729.165, "text": "needs become? Do we need," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17730.005, "end": 17738.005, "text": "heaven forbid, Councillor Yule, a green line up to the north someday? Do we need two green lines? Do we need 50 million riders on C train? It's a hundred million. Is that something" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17738.385, "end": 17746.505, "text": "we can speak to today? Like we need an exponential, because that will govern where our capital goes. We need to quadruple our transit ridership to get those goals. Could you could you speak to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17746.565, "end": 17750.425, "text": "So I don't have those specifics today, happy to dig into that a little bit further." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17750.705, "end": 17752.345, "text": "What I would say is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17752.665, "end": 17754.585, "text": "plans like route ahead" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17755.125, "end": 17757.585, "text": "would help to identify the how" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17758.025, "end": 17758.625, "text": "we get there" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17758.945, "end": 17760.705, "text": "and then what the priorities would be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17761.085, "end": 17765.605, "text": "We're also going to start to look at a broader transportation" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17766.065, "end": 17767.205, "text": "service plan" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17767.565, "end": 17772.205, "text": "that would sort of be an accom uh an appendium or companion document to Root ahead" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17772.565, "end": 17773.665, "text": "for all the other modes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17775.305, "end": 17778.825, "text": "lots of chat about after? And then maybe just the sort of the goals and objectives." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17779.125, "end": 17779.605, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17780.345, "end": 17781.985, "text": "page 86." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17784.745, "end": 17786.905, "text": "My apologies, I had it up here, but it disappeared on me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17788.025, "end": 17791.465, "text": "You know, the ones that speak about 100,000 people downtown, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17791.645, "end": 17797.085, "text": "uh 22 percent uh indicators, yeah, indicators and monitoring. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17798.225, "end": 17814.025, "text": "most, if not all, are about people, the environment, and we have three criteria people, environment, economy, or business, or I think it was economy. Um just just curious. I think the only one was uh um assessed value increasing, so the uh attachment to page 84." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17814.585, "end": 17820.205, "text": "The only financial a taxable assessment value comes into a monitoring indicator and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17821.985, "end": 17829.325, "text": "yeah, the the true sort of indicators, what are we working towards? Maybe just speak to that. How these were chosen. I think I heard referencing while it was sort of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17829.925, "end": 17838.005, "text": "in the last MD or the current MDP, so we took it. So maybe maybe not one by one, but just sort of directionally, why were financial metrics excluded? And if we were to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17838.865, "end": 17848.085, "text": "help get our goals, what could be some? Is it GDP growth? Is it income? I yeah, I just would love a little where these came from and then where uh the financial ones being excluded." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17848.085, "end": 17852.645, "text": "So I think maybe I'll just step back and start with this again as a land use and mobility" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17853.085, "end": 17859.105, "text": "policy, and so looking at indicators that tell us whether or not the policies are achieving." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17859.345, "end": 17875.625, "text": "Those sorts of outcomes. Happy to take a look at other economic indicators, some of which would perhaps live in Calgary Economic Development Strategy and be suited well for that specific, like a shorter term outcome." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17876.205, "end": 17880.325, "text": "The key piece with the land that we looked at, and invite Mr. Lee to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 17880.845, "end": 17895.065, "text": "comment as well, is that residential non residential split, which really begins to talk about land productivity and ensuring that we have a good balance. Eddie, if there's anything you'd like to add, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 17896.245, "end": 17934.085, "text": "Yeah, one of the things that uh is is important, of course, is uh financial sustainability. And the Calgary Plan uh talks a lot about that in terms of when we are developing growth, we are ensuring that the growth is contiguous, that we've got existing infrastructure there uh where where possible. So uh as as well as protecting our industrial areas that uh as we know pay uh uh significantly more property tax than than our residential. So that is part of that uh measuring in terms of where that assessment uh proportion between residential and non residential is, to in part to ensure that we do continually have a financial sustainable city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17935.165, "end": 17935.885, "text": "I I just," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17936.325, "end": 17956.185, "text": "you know, I take a an exception, but uh, we disagree that, you know, this is a land use planning document. The in the economy goal we talk about economic participation and opportunity. That has nothing to do with land use. A hub for industrial and regional growth, possibly, diversification, you know, wanting solar on on homes and things like this is very broad, and that's great if we're gonna do that. So I think we need to um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17956.665, "end": 17970.985, "text": "You know, we can't narrowly think about certain outcomes on land, but when you speak to a city that attracts people and investment, okay, we have to think about that. What is our metric? The economy goal, the economics is clear and a goal, but again, something we can take away, but just want to plant the seed. And then maybe just finally the check in. Um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17971.905, "end": 17989.585, "text": "you know, I love the close your eyes and take you back 20 years, and um the calories changed a lot in five years, 19, 17 years. Um maybe just talk through you know the 10 year. Should we check in every five years? The world was very different in five years. We were in masks and the city was one point something, and now we're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 17990.185, "end": 18011.185, "text": "We're flying high and uh we're almost two million and then so on and so forth. So maybe that that and again if strategically a 30-year plan, a check-in every five years or something like that versus 30 and sort of let it run for 10, just as we grow and develop, and your observations last 17 years. Would we have been better off as a city checking in every five years or has the 17 years served us well? And a 10 year is still pretty good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18011.785, "end": 18016.825, "text": "10 years is uh best practice in terms of renewing this high level of a document." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18016.985, "end": 18030.545, "text": "I think the annual or biennial uh indicators is a good check in through the budget process that tells us are we on track and if there are tactics or levers" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18030.725, "end": 18033.105, "text": "that council can employ" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18033.385, "end": 18034.585, "text": "to course correct" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18034.885, "end": 18038.685, "text": "if needed. It does, it's a significant lift to do" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18038.885, "end": 18040.465, "text": "this amount of policy work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18041.045, "end": 18050.665, "text": "And for that reason, 10 years is appropriate. Other changes, the tactics, the implementation plans can be done through other strategies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18051.265, "end": 18056.705, "text": "Part of the beauty of having a 30 year plan is that it's intended to weather" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18056.965, "end": 18064.825, "text": "and be resilient through shocks and cyclical changes in the city. And so it is built with that in mind." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 18066.925, "end": 18071.305, "text": "Perfect. Yeah, lots of specifics, but looking forward to we'll get into that at uh later date. Thank you so much, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 18072.385, "end": 18074.245, "text": "Thank you. Uh Deputy Mayor Tyrus, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18075.825, "end": 18077.625, "text": "Yes, thanks, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18078.085, "end": 18088.745, "text": "Apologies, I might have the pages wrong on here. It says page 63, but it's probably the Adobe document, not the numbers at the bottom." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 18088.745, "end": 18095.105, "text": "Councillor, if you can just clarify if it's it's yeah, I've got 85 of 96 or 81. So just let us know which" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18095.185, "end": 18121.725, "text": "Okay, so this is page 63, just discussing the municipal civic uh facilities. And it says here Section F that they should be co-located either with a single building or site or with other complementary uses while preserving operational requirements, including other uses such as housing, childcare, urban agriculture, et cetera. I was just wondering does that refer to fire stations?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18122.085, "end": 18123.065, "text": "And things like that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18123.745, "end": 18134.825, "text": "It it can, yes. It's all civic facilities. And so it could be either co-located in the same parcel of land or as individual buildings" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18134.825, "end": 18135.145, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18135.225, "end": 18138.245, "text": "or stacked into one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18138.525, "end": 18140.085, "text": "building or more." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18140.305, "end": 18140.585, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18140.585, "end": 18144.845, "text": "So an example I'll give you is the Westbrook. I know we're talking a lot about Westbrook today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18144.845, "end": 18178.665, "text": "Or like varsity, for instance, the one that we just opened has housing in it. Okay, perfect. Okay, so I can un I understand what it's talking about now. What I want to make sure is that this doesn't get in the way of actu us actually building fire stations. Anecdotally, I've heard that there have been uh fire stations that have kind of been put on hold because they don't have that co-location. Um so I want to make sure that we're we're building the facilities that we need, but we're not waiting for other things. Like it would be nice if we could add the other things, but that's not holding back the process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18178.665, "end": 18188.665, "text": "What I can tell you is administration is working together to ensure that we're not holding up critical infrastructure that needs to serve communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18189.125, "end": 18208.805, "text": "Okay, thanks. Um, what else do we have here? Oh municipal revenues from parking fees. Uh what is this? Page 56, section H says municipal revenues from parking fees may be reinvested in the areas where they were collected to support transit, walking, wheeling, and community-led investments in public realm. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18210.205, "end": 18215.245, "text": "I just feel like parking fees should be invested in parking. Like are they not how are they currently invested?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18218.405, "end": 18222.525, "text": "Maybe ask either General Manager Radke or COO" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18222.705, "end": 18224.805, "text": "Morgan to comment on that, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18225.185, "end": 18225.585, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 18226.285, "end": 18239.645, "text": "Uh sure. So parking fees uh generally they come back into general revenue and they're allocated through the budget process. Uh it's a coffee cost recovery basis overall for parking, but generally that would come back and then council can allocate as see fit as they see fit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18240.085, "end": 18258.125, "text": "Okay, because parking is a big deal, especially downtown. You're looking for the perfect parking spot. You want to make sure that the city is also investing money in our parking as well. So I was I was concerned to see that it was going to be supporting walking and wheeling and things like that. It's like, no, we need we need parking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 18258.365, "end": 18265.645, "text": "Yeah, and that's net revenue. So all of the cost of providing that parking is covered, and then the net revenues come back to general um revenue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18266.085, "end": 18266.505, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18267.305, "end": 18268.985, "text": "Moving on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18272.345, "end": 18299.125, "text": "Oh, uh page 52, section B. The capacity of existing streets and networks should be optimized before expansion is considered. If um so it says here if expansion is warranted, priority is given to sustainable travel options. What does this mean in reality? Like, are we stopping streets from being built when we're building communities? Um that also brought me a lot of concern because." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18300.285, "end": 18306.305, "text": "Um, there are a lot of communities that we build and they just don't have those sustainable travel options available." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18311.585, "end": 18323.845, "text": "So my interpretation of this, and I'd look to my colleagues if the if you wish to add in, is that this is really about using the infrastructure that we have to maximize the number of trips." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18325.445, "end": 18332.305, "text": "And so it might be things like operational changes that would be made to before we start to invest in new" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18332.765, "end": 18333.585, "text": "infrastructure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18333.965, "end": 18336.205, "text": "Are there operational changes that could be made" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18336.625, "end": 18337.225, "text": "to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18337.925, "end": 18340.025, "text": "create better flow of traffic, for example?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18340.425, "end": 18344.585, "text": "Okay, but we're still gonna be prioritizing building roads as we're expanding" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18344.965, "end": 18346.005, "text": "like our communities?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18346.825, "end": 18347.825, "text": "Yes, we need roads." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18347.825, "end": 18349.165, "text": "Yeah. Okay, good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18349.585, "end": 18361.125, "text": "We'll build roads, but we want to optimize the roads before we widen them, is what this is actually also driving towards. The capacity should be optimized before expanding and widening a road is considered." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18361.125, "end": 18380.925, "text": "Okay, yes. And I'm glad that you brought up winding widening um the roads. Um, in speaking with firefighters, they had concerns that emergency vehicle access was a problem with roads. Are we making sure that those roads are able to um be used by emergency vehicles? I don't know the term for which we are." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18381.645, "end": 18382.705, "text": "Bring the thing out" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18383.345, "end": 18384.605, "text": "and then they brace it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18384.605, "end": 18387.605, "text": "I don't know the term either, but I know exactly what you're just saying." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18387.605, "end": 18400.785, "text": "Where they brace the for the ladders, right? Yes. Um, they were saying that a lot of these new streets that are being built don't have like the capacity and like the room for um that kind of thing. We wanna make sure that that's kept in mind." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18400.785, "end": 18408.585, "text": "So our design standards and specs would ensure that that happens and that we do work closely with the fire department to ensure that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18408.785, "end": 18412.065, "text": "their vehicles work within the street design." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18412.585, "end": 18414.145, "text": "There are specific policies" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18414.645, "end": 18416.545, "text": "on page 52 of 96." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18417.145, "end": 18419.485, "text": "That uh policies J and K" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18420.125, "end": 18423.865, "text": "speak to unobstructed access for emergency services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18425.205, "end": 18448.885, "text": "Okay. Oh I I suppose um uh the creation of the the firefighter uh commission or I I guess committee will help uh um get that information to us more readily um when it comes to making sure that we are building roads that uh where pro priority is given to emergency vehicles so that they can access the uh sites" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18449.705, "end": 18452.925, "text": "uh safely. Ah, page 48." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18454.185, "end": 18489.305, "text": "Uh wheeling policies. Okay, so when I read this at first I was going, okay, so this sounds like bike lanes, but we've just decided to change the wording. But it's the exact same thing. Like um it says on section E, connectivity gaps in the major wheeling network should be resolved by adding and expanding protective wheeling lanes and pathways and by providing wheeling priority measures at intersections. What does that look like? So you you want to prioritize bike uh you want to prioritize the bike traffic over?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18489.565, "end": 18491.925, "text": "Vehicle traffic at intersections?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18496.425, "end": 18499.225, "text": "So Councillor tires through the chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18499.785, "end": 18501.125, "text": "This is um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18502.065, "end": 18503.445, "text": "sorry, I'm just rereading it here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18504.225, "end": 18511.305, "text": "This is about ensuring safety and reducing collisions at intersections between bikes and vehicles." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18511.785, "end": 18517.205, "text": "Okay, because it says by providing wheeling priority measures at intersections. So safety absolutely, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18515.965, "end": 18516.145, "text": "That would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18517.205, "end": 18518.245, "text": "a light, like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18518.905, "end": 18523.625, "text": "there's one on Ninth Avenue outside platform where there's a bike." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18524.105, "end": 18529.425, "text": "A red bike that comes on that tells the bike to see across the street." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18529.425, "end": 18539.925, "text": "Confusing by the way, all those different lights at an intersection. It's hard to tell when to turn and what to do. But okay, so that that's what you mean by that, is those lights? Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18539.925, "end": 18541.725, "text": "That's one example that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18541.725, "end": 18542.025, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18542.025, "end": 18542.745, "text": "could be employed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18542.825, "end": 18562.405, "text": "And I suppose on the wheeling policies, obviously it's this is a a hot topic um by other levels of government who have made, I guess, their opinions known to us that these kind of policies are problematic in the future. Have you guys um considered any kind of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18563.485, "end": 18570.225, "text": "uh understanding of how we're gonna move forward on this. Like you want to expand and they want to reduce or eliminate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 18571.465, "end": 18586.885, "text": "What I would say is that the majority of the wheeling network is off street and the consideration for not reducing driving lanes to allow for wheeling lanes is part of how we would move forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18586.925, "end": 18590.785, "text": "Okay, so expanding wheeling lanes but not reducing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18591.045, "end": 18592.665, "text": "traffic lanes. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 18592.985, "end": 18599.385, "text": "and Councillor, I'll just add we have been in discussion with the province. Our teams are are in discussion with the province about bike lanes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18599.525, "end": 18599.905, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18600.325, "end": 18604.345, "text": "Yeah, I appreciate that. Thanks, Jim Hamilton. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18609.765, "end": 18625.845, "text": "Oh, uh page 46, I believe it was mobility priority figure 11, where um actually in the presentation you guys talked about how that there isn't any type of transportation that is um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18626.945, "end": 18655.305, "text": "favored above others, and yet in this figure it talks about all these different methods of transportation and other vehicles, quote unquote, is the least sustainable travel option, and then zero emission vehicles are more sustainable. Can you can you explain that um because I think you would have uh I think you would have some some argument um on your hands about whether or not they're actually more sustainable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 18657.225, "end": 18668.945, "text": "Thank you, Councillor, for that question. We've been talking about this internally, and I would suggest that the figure title does not align with the actual figure that speaks about sustainability and risk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18669.165, "end": 18670.505, "text": "Oh, like what I just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 18671.165, "end": 18676.425, "text": "So the the title is mobility priority, but what the figure is showing is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18677.025, "end": 18693.105, "text": "Oh, okay, so the title's wrong anyway. But you know what I mean. Like the actual figure it the actual figure itself, it shows like the different um ways of transportation and then it kind of like puts them in categories like this is the least desirable type of transportation. I just don't like to see that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 18693.145, "end": 18697.885, "text": "with respect to sustainability and risk. Maybe I'll ask Andrew to chime in further if I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18698.465, "end": 18708.365, "text": "We've valued the feedback on this. When we look at the risk side here, it is true a pedestrian is more likely to incur significant injury because they don't have anything protecting them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18708.865, "end": 18715.585, "text": "But the sustainability component on it too maybe confounds two issues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18717.005, "end": 18718.605, "text": "Obviously, walking does have lower" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18719.405, "end": 18719.965, "text": "carbon." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 18721.345, "end": 18721.685, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18721.685, "end": 18738.005, "text": "And driving a private automobile does. Yeah. But I mean that's that's I think what we were we were really trying to pr prioritize or show here was that you know we have to be aware, and we heard this through public engagement too. I want my kids to walk to school, I want them to bike to school safely. And we don't want those to be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18738.645, "end": 18739.865, "text": "high risk activities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18740.385, "end": 18743.045, "text": "And that's where this started to emerge and come from." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18743.325, "end": 18746.025, "text": "Perhaps you know we could take this away and look at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 18746.865, "end": 18752.285, "text": "maybe not having that sustainability piece adjacent to it, because it maybe it confuses the messaging." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18752.485, "end": 18754.705, "text": "Okay, yeah, no, I appreciate that. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18756.345, "end": 18770.785, "text": "My apologies to chime in through your worship to Councillor Tyres. Just if it's helpful for a little bit of context as well, that graphic there is an update from the current municipal development plan that has the sustainability," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18771.785, "end": 18780.405, "text": "it's focused solely on sustainability rather than risk. So it just as Andrew was mentioning through our engagement, we heard a lot of concern about uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 18782.565, "end": 18785.585, "text": "Everyone, please mute. I think some people are talking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18787.125, "end": 18804.445, "text": "Thank you. So, like Andrew is mentioning, we heard a lot about concerns about safety. So the diagram shows sustainability and risk now to address what we've heard. But absolutely, like Andrew and everyone was saying, we're happy to hear any amendments and adjustments we can make for clarity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18804.645, "end": 18806.365, "text": "Okay, yep, thanks for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18807.145, "end": 18823.525, "text": "Um, the flood hazard areas. Okay, yeah, that's been that's been hit multiple times actually by um Chabot and Wynus. And I believe, okay, so you made it clear that any changes that we're gonna make to the flood bylaws, like so that part will be on hold" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18823.845, "end": 18827.585, "text": "for whatever is going to happen um with that policy. That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18827.745, "end": 18830.605, "text": "Okay, yeah, thank you. I appreciate that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18830.805, "end": 18833.705, "text": "Um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18834.585, "end": 18845.045, "text": "light and industrial uses may be located in a neighborhood high activity area when near transit and where allowed by area structure plan or local area plan. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18845.625, "end": 18851.625, "text": "can you explain about how this would look like in real life? This is section D, sorry, uh section D, page 18." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18853.385, "end": 18853.905, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18854.705, "end": 18863.485, "text": "you probably know where I'm coming from on this because I've heard from my community that when it comes to industrial, close to residential." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18864.605, "end": 18866.965, "text": "Um bad things happen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18868.145, "end": 18876.965, "text": "More specifically in my area, just certain uh intersections with problems with gravel trucks and things like that. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18878.365, "end": 18884.005, "text": "just wondering how that would how that would interact with the community. Like you guys don't foresee that being" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18885.445, "end": 18891.925, "text": "any kind of issues like coming up with having those two things like so close in proximity to each other." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18894.365, "end": 18917.145, "text": "Thank you through your worship. So the light industrial definition is specifically points out that these are uses like storage facilities that can be completely contained within the building envelope with no off site impacts. So it is the lightest degree of industrial use that still counts under that category." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18918.505, "end": 18920.525, "text": "Okay, so like um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18922.105, "end": 18923.545, "text": "smaller uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18926.205, "end": 18927.925, "text": "strip malls and things like that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 18929.045, "end": 18930.185, "text": "Hi, sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 18930.365, "end": 18931.305, "text": "This would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 18931.305, "end": 18938.265, "text": "Exactly like Greenview Industrial. And so it's in the middle of Ward 4. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 18938.505, "end": 18942.705, "text": "sorry, he's not there right now. Um and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 18943.705, "end": 18962.885, "text": "Ward 4 has a hybrid industrial area that's immediately adjacent to residential areas. So very still industrial, uh, but with policies at the local area plan, like you acknowledged, an area structure plan that guides what that industrial development would look, feel, and be contained." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18963.645, "end": 18982.585, "text": "Okay, yeah, no, I appreciate that visual. Um thank you. And on that on the note of light industry, I believe you also mentioned wheeling networks in the industrial area. I just want to see what how that would actually look like. Like, are you really imagining people working in the industrial area like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 18983.385, "end": 18987.625, "text": "with their h hard hats on and stuff, uh biking to work?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 18990.785, "end": 18992.905, "text": "either of us could go. Sure. Rachel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18993.485, "end": 19025.545, "text": "Absolutely, through your worship. It was interesting because we through the engagement spoke to several people that work in industrial areas, including some near Inglewood and Aylith, Bonnie Brook, that in the summer they want to take their bike to their office and they're maybe not bringing a lot of equipment and they take the river pathway. And so it was really interesting talking to workers of industrial areas, and absolutely most of them drive most of the time, but uh they liked the opportunity to connect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19026.125, "end": 19031.145, "text": "Okay, so there's like a small subsection of people who give you that feedback." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19031.145, "end": 19031.285, "text": "Yeah," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19031.285, "end": 19031.565, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19031.565, "end": 19032.085, "text": "I think that's fair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19032.085, "end": 19042.325, "text": "where that would work from Okay, I was I was just trying to imagine that 'cause um a lot of the workers I know like require a truck, a lot there's lots of equipment, um and there's lots of going like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19043.105, "end": 19074.925, "text": "Uh back and forth, and you need like something to carry you know the equipment and things like that. Okay, so thanks for the clarity on that. Um page 17 D, it says the city should encourage retail and local commercial growth, particularly around transit stations on the primary transit network. I just felt like we should encourage business everywhere. I don't think we should specifically encourage and incentivize specifically like around the transit stations and primary transit network. Can you explain why why this is in here?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19076.005, "end": 19108.465, "text": "Absolutely. And through your worship, I'm so happy you brought that up because that's one of the major changes we made to the current municipal development plan, which incur which has very highly specific retail direction and where it goes and at what scale, in that now we encourage retail and commercial everywhere across the city. But we do call it out under each of the activity areas, particularly where there is an opportunity for a greater mix of uses to co locate. But you're exactly right. Retail and commercial is encouraged everywhere throughout." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19109.045, "end": 19123.705, "text": "Okay, thank you. Um page 18, I guess one um is the definition of all the four neighborhood categories greater downtown high activity, um, neighborhood moderate activity, neighborhood low activity. I just felt like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19124.005, "end": 19149.285, "text": "Using these definitions makes it seem like there's no activity out in the suburbs. Like I guess I just I the the language was problematic for me. It just feels like a false assumption that just because you live in the suburbs that there's low activity, like I think many of my constituents would disagree with that categorization because there's a ton of activity all the time. And so um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19150.205, "end": 19166.065, "text": "Is there a reason why we went with that kind of language? Like about activity rather than, I don't know, I guess density, if that is what the plan is, to um create more housing and that kind of thing. Um why why is it activity level?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19166.365, "end": 19166.865, "text": "Mm-hmm." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19167.365, "end": 19216.565, "text": "Absolutely, and through your worship, we did wrestle a lot with what was the appropriate name for these degrees. And we landed on activity and absolutely happy to talk about it further if there's a more appropriate name for sure. Was that what we heard a lot from communities, particularly in low density single-detached neighborhoods, that there is a ton of activity, people are out and about, but they really like the quiet, and they these areas tend to have like more single detached dwellings, they have a little bit uh less commercial uses embedded throughout. So, really, the activity is intended to refer to these are where things are more concentrated greater density, greater mix of uses, greater mobility options. So it's tied to the physical structure of the area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19216.605, "end": 19230.285, "text": "Sure, but in even in new communities, like we have um a lot of like townhouses and density and things like that. Like they are out in the suburbs, but there's that's actually where we're concentrating a lot of our density in, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19230.285, "end": 19235.245, "text": "Councillor Tyres, I like to think about it as this is an area where you're not." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19235.645, "end": 19237.705, "text": "Going to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19238.245, "end": 19244.185, "text": "you're not drawing people from across the city to this area. It's the local residents that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19244.485, "end": 19252.785, "text": "live there and access their local shops and such as opposed to a high activity area, which may be like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19253.465, "end": 19263.985, "text": "you know, an Inglewood Main Street or a Kensington that's drawing people from across the city because it you know has a certain value as that high activity area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19264.165, "end": 19302.065, "text": "Okay, no, I I understand uh your perspective on this. Oh man, how long have I been going for now? Oh, uh sorry, um there's probably just a couple more. Page 16 the city should support low carbon and climate resilient design construction of new housing developments, housing retrofits, using low carbon climate resilient materials and methods. I was wondering what this looks like, because um the first thing that came to my mind was hail. And um, you know, we're we're still allowing builders to build with um vinyl siding, but like we've heard that Hardy Board is so much more resilient. Is there something you guys have in mind as far as?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19303.265, "end": 19307.665, "text": "Building materials? Like that that really uh got my attention." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 19308.985, "end": 19319.245, "text": "Through your worship. So this is specifically an enabling policy to support innovation and flexibility in construction." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19321.005, "end": 19322.345, "text": "Okay. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19323.545, "end": 19326.725, "text": "yeah, I d uh uh an enabling policy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19329.205, "end": 19338.145, "text": "Councillor Tyres through the chair getting into dictating the type of building materials is starting to step into the Alberta building code." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19338.445, "end": 19340.525, "text": "And that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19340.645, "end": 19345.625, "text": "So why is it in here then? Because it says climate resilient materials and methods." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19345.885, "end": 19346.945, "text": "so as Ms." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19346.945, "end": 19347.905, "text": "We should just support it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19347.905, "end": 19349.365, "text": "It's around enabling. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19350.165, "end": 19351.205, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19354.225, "end": 19360.285, "text": "I think, you know what, that's that's enough for me for today. Um, but I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19360.885, "end": 19382.025, "text": "some something that did come up just overall about the municipal development plan is that it was meant to last for 60 years, right? And then I believe the um people who originally brought it forward wanted to update it every 10 years. And so we just updated it when, 2021," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19382.605, "end": 19383.105, "text": "20?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19383.725, "end": 19388.105, "text": "In 2020, we brought forward light amendments" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19388.105, "end": 19388.385, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19388.505, "end": 19392.145, "text": "to align with legislation and make some" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19392.445, "end": 19394.445, "text": "changes to align with other policies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19394.445, "end": 19394.605, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19394.605, "end": 19396.285, "text": "But it wasn't a full review." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19396.685, "end": 19399.865, "text": "Yeah, because to me it just seems like a very dramatic" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19400.145, "end": 19406.705, "text": "brand new document that was based on all the other documents and things like that. But like, why didn't we just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19407.285, "end": 19413.925, "text": "do another assessment in 10 years? Obviously, there's like things that have changed and stuff, but this seems" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19414.125, "end": 19416.225, "text": "I I know um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19416.445, "end": 19419.665, "text": "my uh colleagues have mentioned like this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19420.005, "end": 19430.525, "text": "This kind of reminds them a little bit of blanket rezoning, and I know you said that it's not zoning. We understand that it just seems to be one of those documents that's gonna" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19431.005, "end": 19468.265, "text": "create a lot of change. And we're gonna go through another public hearing. We're gonna hear from people who don't like it. And I I just feel like maybe with the MDP, um, maybe it would have been better to just reassess it every 10 years and see what those changes look like and go from there. But if it looks like a brand new document that's going to change a lot of how our city um is going to be developed, I think we're gonna have some serious problems with it. I can I can predict. I can predict many hours of listening during the public hearing. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19469.545, "end": 19484.165, "text": "Just um the community not interested in uh widespread policy that's going to blanket our city again in ideas and designs and things that uh they don't have a say in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19486.045, "end": 19491.145, "text": "I guess that's just a c that's just a comment. I'm sorry, GM Hamilton. It's not a question, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19491.145, "end": 19497.425, "text": "If you'd like me to respond, I'm happy to. I I think we've responded to this several it in several iterations over the day." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19497.425, "end": 19497.805, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19497.805, "end": 19498.925, "text": "However," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19499.865, "end": 19500.645, "text": "so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19501.145, "end": 19503.505, "text": "the our current municipal development plan," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19504.205, "end": 19508.065, "text": "um as so where do I want to start here? Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19508.585, "end": 19521.725, "text": "We, as Ms. Davies Murphy said, the last update was in the 2020-21 area. We were intending at that time to do a major comprehensive review. Our budget was cut." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19522.365, "end": 19544.585, "text": "So we whittled down the amendments to very specific amendments related to legislation. So it was not the comprehensive review that we wanted to do at that 10 year mark. So we're here now undertaking that comprehensive review. I think you've heard throughout the presentations, throughout the answers of qu um answers to questions, that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19546.705, "end": 19559.045, "text": "The engagement that was done for the Calgary Plan, which is being rebranded, still our municipal development plan. It's got new branding, new images on it. So it looks different, very much different from the municipal development plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19559.465, "end": 19561.165, "text": "But the vision is still there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19561.525, "end": 19578.145, "text": "The vision has been reconfirmed. A lot of the policies are the same. They've been streamlined. We've talked about the number of pages, whittling down to the number of pages we have here. The biggest change is combining the Calgary Transportation Plan with the Municipal Development Plan and streamlining those policies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19578.725, "end": 19579.345, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19579.765, "end": 19595.305, "text": "there are new policies. We you heard Ms. Dillon just a little while later when Councillor Pantozopoulos asked her about what's changed since the last draft. We went through that for you, and but the majority, I'd say the base, and I'd look to my colleagues, the the majority is the same." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19595.785, "end": 19601.945, "text": "It's just maybe the wording is plain language. We've streamlined it to make it easier to implement, easier to understand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19602.925, "end": 19614.825, "text": "No, I appreciate that, GM Hamilton. I just think, like, just after we went through the whole repeal of blanket rezoning, and now s suddenly there's gonna be a new public hearing, like I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19615.245, "end": 19626.125, "text": "I hope that you guys can see like how the public is going to see that. Do you know what I mean? They're gonna see it as maybe a replacement or something that just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19627.565, "end": 19634.265, "text": "Time-wise, like the the the timing of this just um seems to be um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19635.065, "end": 19644.205, "text": "you know not in not in our favor as far as like the city being able to move forward with building trust with Calgaryans and things like that. I think we're at a really good" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19644.525, "end": 19655.645, "text": "we're at a really good period right now. And um yeah, I I'm just I guess I'm concerned about about the timing of it and how it will be perceived. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19656.325, "end": 19660.705, "text": "And I know you're saying that it's important to streamline things. It's important to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19661.085, "end": 19667.345, "text": "make things easier for people to read and stuff like that. But maybe sometimes like complicated's a good thing, you know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 19670.805, "end": 19678.925, "text": "But I I I suppose that's it. Sorry, I've I've uh made all my colleagues fall asleep. Thank you so much for answering my questions. Appreciate that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 19679.945, "end": 19680.765, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 19681.005, "end": 19683.085, "text": "Deputy Mayor, over to Councillor Clark, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19684.145, "end": 19685.185, "text": "Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19685.645, "end": 19686.265, "text": "Um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19687.925, "end": 19723.025, "text": "thank you very much. I want to say that I really appreciated um the annotated version, being able to look at the edits that were made prior to my arriving to council and participating in this process. I enjoyed the document. I I find it to be uh concise, reflective in some ways of the things that I feel like we've engaged and discussed over the last six months. So I'm really grateful for that. Um I have a few questions that I wanted to ask. Um, not quite sure on how to uh create like a structure here in my questioning, but one of the fundamentals, I guess, is just around the idea of the greater downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19724.105, "end": 19735.285, "text": "And when I think about the city of Calgary that I was born and raised in and now live in, and I really appreciated GM Hamilton's context even from two thousand and nine about what the world looked like. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19735.645, "end": 19762.005, "text": "We sort of were looking at the Bow River to 17th Avenue Southwest as sort of a context for urbanized living. And I just wonder as we reflect on a 30 to 60 year plan, if that's realistic, when even today we've sort of referenced a number of things happening outside that zone, the Inglewood Ramsey sort of area, bridgeland, we've got Sunnyside, we've got a number of instances outside this zone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19762.645, "end": 19769.305, "text": "Maybe that'd be a great place to start. Can you just talk to me a little bit about the philosophy behind structuring this directly in this one area?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19774.105, "end": 19777.745, "text": "Councillor, just to clarify, you're asking specifically about the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19777.885, "end": 19779.425, "text": "what I'm hearing you ask is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19780.165, "end": 19783.585, "text": "why the boundaries of the greater downtown are the boundaries of the greater downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19783.585, "end": 19784.025, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19784.485, "end": 19784.885, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19786.125, "end": 19787.165, "text": "I mean I'm gonna" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19787.385, "end": 19789.225, "text": "unless anybody else chumps in, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19790.645, "end": 19791.605, "text": "sorry, you'd like to chime in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 19794.065, "end": 19800.985, "text": "Historically they've been this way. This is our greater downtown. We have a greater downtown strategy, but I'll let the team clarify if I'm wrong." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19803.905, "end": 19810.605, "text": "This reflects the greater downtown map area that we have under policy today. And so it felt" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19812.525, "end": 19815.325, "text": "like it it needed to continue on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19815.325, "end": 19847.645, "text": "I feel like it's not I I guess my my point is is it doesn't feel very future looking, I suppose. Like if that if that's the idea. 30 years from now, um if we think about the integrations that we're already making in communities like Ingwood and Ramsey, 30 years from now, they will constitute downtown, likely, right? I mean, if we have a 30 year strategy to build out to, you know, we'll have 30 more years of land to build into. Um so I suppose my my the undertone of that is like it feels small. It feels small for the context if we're vision building and we're we're sort of looking to a future concept." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19848.145, "end": 19850.345, "text": "Um, I also think about uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19850.805, "end": 19876.765, "text": "Instances that I've experienced here. So as an example, some of the grants available for arts and culture are not for downtown are not extended to spaces like Inglewood, which we've also identified as Music Mile. So another element that I'm meant to drive, you know, over the course of the next four years is Music Mile. But this is outside the greater downtown core. So what am I doing? A suburban festival circuit? Like, I don't think so. Um, so that's all. Just trying to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19877.085, "end": 19878.105, "text": "build a conversation on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19878.105, "end": 19880.645, "text": "Thank you. Thanks for clarifying that. I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19881.845, "end": 19895.685, "text": "Certainly, you know, we can take a look at that if that's something that we that you'd like to dive into a little bit more. Or if there's neighborhood high activity or moderate activity policies that would also enable that sort of vision that you have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19896.385, "end": 19945.045, "text": "Yeah, I really appreciate I think one of the things too, if like we're talking about a public facing document, it's like Greater Downtown is is like outlined in a major way. And I think you know, there's a lot of these neighborhoods that have earned their stripes. Um, I represent a lot of them, and I know many of these other uh counselors do as well in terms of you know, they're 60, 70, 80 years old. I'd like to see them reflected in sort of that longer term plan, or at least how they're identified, like are they identified as high activity mid or not? You know, just sort of like I it's almost like um what something that came up a lot for me during this process was districting almost. You know, like how do we identify between the LAP process and the Calgary plan? Could we not identify a districting strategy that clearly identifies certain areas and what what those areas can expect? I think it's it odds it offers clarity of direction." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19946.365, "end": 19951.025, "text": "Certainly. And I think the neighborhood moderate activity" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19952.265, "end": 19956.665, "text": "tries to do that, maybe not successfully, in the gridded street" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19957.025, "end": 19962.845, "text": "network. And so those communities that were built sort of in the 50s and 60s that have the grid pattern" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19964.305, "end": 19966.685, "text": "start to look at the moderate activity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19967.305, "end": 19967.905, "text": "level" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 19968.165, "end": 19974.265, "text": "and sort of provides that perhaps district based on how the communities were built at the time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 19974.465, "end": 20016.465, "text": "Yeah, I and I I'm gonna really I suppose like sort of continuously reference this document to Ward 9 obviously for obvious reasons not to note that it's like uh you know every ward will be able to do that but in the const in the discussions listed in here were the the points made about industrial uses just wondered if we could speak a little bit about there's like that unique mix of legacy industrial next to residential next to commercial there's like a unique mix there and I didn't really see any forward momentum on how we might in the may, must, or shoulds about how to reconcile that for the next 15, 20 years, how we might deliver more housing in those spaces." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 20017.285, "end": 20026.125, "text": "I'm wondering, and I'll put her on the spot, if Miss Dillon would be able to come up and speak to the industrial policies and maybe what's being changed since" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 20026.485, "end": 20028.665, "text": "like from the existing MDP to the Calgary Plan?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20030.385, "end": 20042.425, "text": "Thank you. Through your worship. So with the industrial policies and like everything, if we could absolutely discuss this, the perspective we undertook was to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20042.825, "end": 20071.725, "text": "Not change the current MDP's policies too much just to protect the industrial land base because as it if it disappears it's very difficult to get that industrial land base back again. But I think you bring up a really interesting point that we we could talk about further. So the policies are really oriented towards that protect the industrial land base, but we do have that industrial mixed area that allows some of that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20072.845, "end": 20091.545, "text": "Oh, the word's coming to my head, it's not the best word, but infiltration of other uses along some of these edges. And also with regards to our previous conversation, that light industrial use that doesn't have an external impact is now in moderate and high activity. So there's that little bit of cross pollination, but uh happy to discuss further." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20091.565, "end": 20123.765, "text": "Yeah, thank you. I think um in terms of my comments there, it did read as a bit protectionist. And I think about um how some of these like high-intensity industrial uses are sort of they've fallen off. Like we've got ceramic art studios, shout out to workshop studios in Aleth, um that are use are now in what were foundries, right? We're not going to see uh a foundry there again, and so these uses are naturally changing. I just didn't see that reflective. Also, to keep in mind of the the prairie economic gateway and our delivery of a sort of broader." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20124.805, "end": 20130.505, "text": "New vision for industrial use there. These legacy spaces will become more available." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20130.745, "end": 20135.085, "text": "And I just didn't see that reflected. Again, if we're talking about the next 10 or 15 years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 20135.085, "end": 20136.265, "text": "Yeah. Councillor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 20136.545, "end": 20141.185, "text": "I think that in the industrial mix policies it does speak to contextual" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 20141.605, "end": 20148.365, "text": "and through the local area plan is certainly with some of those conversations that are are you know hyper local," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 20148.645, "end": 20150.885, "text": "those situations can be explored further." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20151.085, "end": 20173.585, "text": "For sure. And so I suppose then I would just say, in an offline circumstance, I'd love the opportunity to meet and discuss how my office can help drive that through the LAP processes. We're very lucky right now to be engaged in that. It's very important for this future looking. And so just to make sure that if it's not through making adjustments and documents like this that I have what I need to help deliver that into the LAP process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 20174.125, "end": 20177.125, "text": "Certainly we're happy to look at what you're trying to achieve and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 20177.485, "end": 20178.505, "text": "where it's best suited." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20178.705, "end": 20230.945, "text": "Thank you. I see Councillor Chabot's just come back, so I love this because he had made a comment about that what is it, page 12, 2.1.2 housing, the C. The city should target a minimum of 15% non-market housing. I just wanted to make a comment there. I think you know, if we're going to commit to the idea of delivering a broad range of housing types, uh, tenures, ownership, and rental concepts, I think I would almost my argument is that we should determine that as a must. I think that we should be finding space for every economic bracket in every part of our city, new and old neighborhoods, as we revisit them. And I think the best way to do that is to confirm uh non market housing. So a bit more of a comment than needing any feedback, but uh maybe in a in a back and forth when we have the opportunity to actually chat, I would love to chat with." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20231.625, "end": 20233.765, "text": "To perhaps sell my point. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20243.365, "end": 20246.225, "text": "you'll just have to excuse me while I find the next thing to talk about." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20252.805, "end": 20254.505, "text": "Um where are you?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20257.185, "end": 20262.125, "text": "Okay, so heritage. Um just a quick couple of questions there. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20263.405, "end": 20302.505, "text": "You would in so point K, Heritage, under K says development adjacent to heritage resources should provide compatible contemporary distinguishable interpretations of traditional design. I just wondered how this translates through our development permitting process and how, because the phrasings of like contextually uh appropriate are oft thrown around, I think, in ways that people don't necessarily always agree with or understand. And so I just wanted to make sure that it sounds exciting. It sounds like a great confirmation that, you know, if you're going to build something next to a bunch of 120 year old brick buildings, you know, you'd create some context there. Someone speak to that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20306.585, "end": 20310.065, "text": "Oh, sorry. Thank you through your worship. Um so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20310.465, "end": 20344.425, "text": "Well, just like with uh Councillor Tyres pointing out the retail policies, I'm happy you raised heritage because that is also another area that has changed since the current MDP, even though it's largely the same. So that is one of the new policies that has been added. And at the risk of sounding a little repetitive, it does get refined through local area planning as character is defined specifically on the local level, and then of course, through the development process, through zoning and contextual application review." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20345.105, "end": 20345.625, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20345.925, "end": 20372.845, "text": "Yeah, a great example of that would be the C Space Edition for the uh in Marteloup, right, where it's distinguishable, it's secondary, but it's responsive to the heritage school site, and that's something that you know is it's very much a national best practice of the guidelines for additions to heritage buildings or uh even them within that contextual response to be secondary subordinate and distinguishable. It results in great great design." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20373.245, "end": 20382.345, "text": "So that's great. So when we think about like the updates to the heritage section for the MDP or what's called the Calgary Plan now, would you say this is better aligned with national strategy?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20383.985, "end": 20384.385, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20384.525, "end": 20384.845, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20384.885, "end": 20386.365, "text": "Okay, excellent. Good news." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20386.385, "end": 20395.525, "text": "And we quote we quote the national strategy as well in the Calgary plan and um specifically national standards on the protection of heritage resources." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20395.745, "end": 20425.665, "text": "Excellent. Okay. A question, page 67, or I guess it's 71 of 96. Sorry, there is a difference there. Just regarding area structure plan policies. Just out of curiosity, under the area structure plan policies header, number or letter B says in area structure plans with residence areas, minimum gross residential density must be 25 units per hectare. And I just wondered if that was something that was already in place. Is that an update? Is that a higher level of density than previously existed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 20426.265, "end": 20431.405, "text": "Yes, so Councillor Clark, the current municipal development plan calls for 20" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20431.405, "end": 20431.605, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 20431.605, "end": 20438.225, "text": "units. We are seeing applications coming in in the 27 to 29 or 30 range." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20438.365, "end": 20459.365, "text": "That's exciting. I think like there's probably again like an offline opportunity to chat about this, but I think the note or comment that I would make is that as we as we create documents to lead us into that future, making sure that that density is higher, that we're pushing that envelope at every level and at every phase, so we don't end up in a deficit like this again in terms of that big gap." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20459.985, "end": 20461.445, "text": "Um, just about done." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20463.285, "end": 20482.545, "text": "Uh again, under growth applications, page 72 of 96. Uh, we talk about how development will integrate the public amenities and community services, including but not limited. I respect that it says that not limited to healthcare food services library, but I didn't really see I thought recreation would be really valuable there as well. I think it'd be really important to put that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 20482.545, "end": 20485.825, "text": "Council Clark, may I just ask you to tell us what letter you're on? Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20485.925, "end": 20486.945, "text": "Um IX." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20490.665, "end": 20491.645, "text": "I guess that's nine." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20497.365, "end": 20498.565, "text": "We're past the letters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20498.905, "end": 20499.405, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 20501.685, "end": 20504.685, "text": "So you're suggesting to include recreation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20504.685, "end": 20525.345, "text": "Yeah, I think that'd be really valuable there. We talk about park systems, we talk about mobility networks. I think it'd be a wonderful place to. I would like to see recreation like bled through a little bit more through the whole document. I think it's a it's a mandated obligation that the city deliver recreation opportunities for its citizens, and so I would love to see that just more throughout the whole document." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20527.545, "end": 20531.005, "text": "Umline plans 75 of 96, H." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20531.665, "end": 20542.605, "text": "Outline plans may be required to include the following as determined by the city a new tree planting master plan, a staged master drainage plan, and so on. I wondered if this should be a should rather than a may." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20543.005, "end": 20548.285, "text": "I think about some of the experiences we've had along the way here with planning and development processes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20548.705, "end": 20559.305, "text": "Um and I f I found that we kind of find ours the note I wrote here is to avoid piecemeal requirements or steps later in the process. Could we not just clearly outline" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20559.785, "end": 20561.245, "text": "what what is expected?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 20562.985, "end": 20565.325, "text": "So I'll just ask Director Goldstein to comment on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 20568.145, "end": 20568.645, "text": "Hi, Council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 20568.645, "end": 20568.985, "text": "Rachel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 20569.645, "end": 20573.905, "text": "We do have the requirements for all outline plans. They're on a Carl." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 20573.905, "end": 20583.445, "text": "Which is our complete application review list. What this is saying to the world when we have this in here is that these are." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 20585.345, "end": 20600.205, "text": "The foundational studies that may be required. It's more of a list to give everybody a heads up that these are there. But then we will also build all the other things, or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 20600.725, "end": 20612.485, "text": "there may not actually be a new tree planting master plan required for that outline plan if it's just switching around one small thing. That's why the language is still a little bit flexible." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20612.525, "end": 20633.005, "text": "And to be clear, like I I know when when I contemplated my own notes on this, I know that your teams have spent like lots of time contemplating a MAME versus a must versus a you know a should. So totally respect that. I have one more of those, which is just under the same outline plan policies at C. The city should confirm the capital servicing and related capital investment requirements. Should that not be a must?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 20633.905, "end": 20640.585, "text": "It is a must as per our land use bylaw. So if we wanted to adjust the language to make that a must." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 20641.645, "end": 20644.005, "text": "It would be good feedback." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20644.045, "end": 20644.465, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20646.005, "end": 20646.685, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20651.305, "end": 20668.085, "text": "sorry, yeah, this is an interesting format, isn't it? I apologize, but but I'm gonna take more time. Um okay, uh local area plan policies, 74 of 96. Um we've just highlighted a number of things. I wondered if heritage could not be something that we set there as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20670.025, "end": 20677.265, "text": "We talk about evaluations of alignment with city structures, ecological networks, natural infrastructure, walking, wheeling, development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20680.365, "end": 20691.125, "text": "Um in policy C of local area planning, it says local area planning should identify policies to conserve and enhance heritage resources, but we could expand it to be identify the heritage." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20691.165, "end": 20701.425, "text": "I think that would be quite valuable. I think if we just got into the practice of it, we wouldn't end up having to debate whether or not one should exist and to what extent as we move forward with the LAP processes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20705.885, "end": 20758.905, "text": "Okay, I'm happy to like take the rest of this offline. We've got so many other better things to do, but I have one thing that I want to, an overarching concern I have with this document. Um, and I will um, you know, as it relates to our relationship, uh, we open this document with a land use um a land acknowledgement rather, and we highlight our desire to engage with the Indigenous peoples of Treaty 7 and and our urban Indigenous peoples under our goals, our people goal, recognition and inclusion. I just want it noted that in every instance where Indigenous people may be engaged, it's always a may statement. There's not a single should, except for under arts and culture. So we may engage them on heritage, like we may engage them on the history of these lands, we may, you know, and I just think if we're going to make those kinds of commitments that we should follow through and be brave and have the courage to at least commit to a should somewhere." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20759.465, "end": 20760.805, "text": "In the cavalry plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 20760.805, "end": 20765.945, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Clark. I've asked Ms. Wilbur to comment on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20765.945, "end": 20766.345, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 20772.165, "end": 20773.165, "text": "That's it from you, Councillor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20773.985, "end": 20775.665, "text": "Yes, they're just about to um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20775.925, "end": 20777.945, "text": "answer the answer to the point, but yes," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 20786.265, "end": 20786.645, "text": "I'll keep" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20786.885, "end": 20787.465, "text": "here it comes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20788.105, "end": 20788.405, "text": "Wait." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 20791.225, "end": 20794.365, "text": "well, putting it higher is probably not going to be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 20795.325, "end": 20827.205, "text": "Let's see, wisps of hair and nothing else. The language that we have, we spent a lot of time contemplating, and we pulled in our experts in that area of law to help us to determine sort of what shoes the city is wearing, and we were very, very careful about our all our shoulds and shells. I heard your comment, and we can take it back and continue to have that conversation, but I will say that's why the words were chosen as you see them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20828.025, "end": 20831.865, "text": "I can appreciate that. So legally, yes, okay. I just think that um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20833.105, "end": 20869.145, "text": "if we you know it's like quite it's something to sort of reflect back on the history of these lands and acknowledge the individuals who've lived here for thousands of years, but we're in the process of city building, so it offers the opportunity to collaborate in the future. And I just think like to confirm that that group of people has a place at the table. Not that they might have a place at the table, but that they do have, at least in some instances, as it relates to heritage policy, the city may engage with indigenous peoples for increased understanding of the distinct indigenous worldviews and histories of this land to better conserve or sh our shared heritage. Like that could be a should, I think, very comfortably and very easily." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20869.765, "end": 20871.625, "text": "Just as a point." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 20871.885, "end": 20872.085, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 20872.085, "end": 20874.845, "text": "I I promise we will continue to consider" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 20875.785, "end": 20878.925, "text": "those th the words that we use in those policies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 20878.965, "end": 20881.145, "text": "Yeah. Okay, great. That's it for me. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 20882.425, "end": 20883.765, "text": "All right. Councillor Yule, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 20884.405, "end": 20888.565, "text": "Yeah, I got two high level questions, one specific question. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 20889.085, "end": 20889.745, "text": "Miss" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 20890.345, "end": 20944.245, "text": "Dylan commented that the new Calgary plan is less prescriptive. And yeah, as I read through the old MDP and the new Calgary plan, like I see the MDP as a development guide. You can, as a developer, you can pick it up and you can know pretty certain what what to do. Whereas I I look at the the new Calgary plan and it's more of a growth strategy. I think are are we losing like I think there with this new Calgary plan, there's gonna be a lot of additional policies and strategies that need need to also come like right after in order for this to work in the same way the MDP plan or the M municipal development plan was was intended. Is that is that am I seeing it correctly?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 20944.905, "end": 21017.285, "text": "Through your worship, I'm so glad you asked this question because this was one of our very early conversations as we were reviewing the MDP and looking at the Calgary Plan. And when the current MDP was written in 2008, 2009, there wasn't a consistent local area plan process. So that MDP had to do more than an MDP typically would need to do, hence, the very sharp boundaries around main streets and activity centers, and a lot more detailed policy that if there was at the time a more consistent approach to local area planning that would be housed within those documents. So the current MDP and local area planning are kind of like a Venn diagram in how they operate right now. So it to streamline policies and have each plan fulfill its own specific role in the planning system. The Calgary Plan has been simplified and distilled and focuses on what we need to achieve as a city. And the local area plans now define specifically how that is to be achieved in these individual areas of the city, all orienting towards that broad direction, if that helps answer your question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21017.285, "end": 21037.165, "text": "It does, but uh although Ward 3 doesn't have any LAPs, um, and so we're relying on ASPs, um, which uh like you think about the equity side of things, like an LAP will have a lot of engagement of local area residents, whereas an ASP less so. Um so maybe speak on is that is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21037.905, "end": 21044.525, "text": "equal? Uh like is that equity based in that we know we we have different levels of engagement?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21045.585, "end": 21070.345, "text": "Through your worship, I think that I think that's a really good point and very astute in that as we work through this with you, how can we, for communities that don't have a local area plan, is there opportunities to enhance some clarity in this document to fulfill partly that role while we await local area planning? Currently, the and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21070.805, "end": 21077.445, "text": "since I I don't work for the city, I'll defer to Deb and Kathy with the ASP process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21077.825, "end": 21096.525, "text": "Largely focused on new development that was farmer agriculture or other uses. There is a different process in place for that as opposed to a local area plan where people are already living and enjoying their community. So they do have a different objective from their outset, but I would happily defer to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 21096.805, "end": 21098.025, "text": "Kathy and Deb on that one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21098.365, "end": 21113.305, "text": "No, you're correct. I mean, local area or area structure plans, we do do a lot of engagement, but it's obviously a different context. It's not where people are currently living. So the the local area plan engagement is very different from that end." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21115.305, "end": 21130.265, "text": "Um are other so the other thing that's coming up after this is land use bylaw. Like these these two to my understanding to to really equal uh municipal development plan kind of need to go hand in hand. No, is that like if we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21130.805, "end": 21132.705, "text": "um if we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21133.185, "end": 21134.025, "text": "approve" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21134.645, "end": 21144.945, "text": "the Calgary plan, we kind of need to have the land use bylaw right in in behind it, or it doesn't really serve, does it does it still serve a purpose if you don't have the land use bylaw behind it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21146.105, "end": 21150.405, "text": "So certainly they're meant to work together, and we did engagement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21150.825, "end": 21152.165, "text": "Concurrently" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21152.345, "end": 21160.525, "text": "on the Calgary Plan and the zoning bylaw. So they are designed to be sister documents, if you will, or sister policies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21161.325, "end": 21165.085, "text": "Can they stand independently? Yes. We may need to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21165.465, "end": 21166.405, "text": "do some" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21166.585, "end": 21169.005, "text": "amendments or adjustments to make them work" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21169.525, "end": 21172.845, "text": "better independently, but they are designed to be a pair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21173.105, "end": 21173.545, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21174.285, "end": 21192.405, "text": "Councillor Councillor, if I may just add, because I was just reminded, our current municipal development plan and current land use bylaw plan w were developed at different times and are not completely aligned. And so hence why the city building program did both documents together and have been engaged on both. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21192.685, "end": 21192.945, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21192.945, "end": 21193.905, "text": "it'll be clunkier," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21194.725, "end": 21196.245, "text": "but further aligned. And Andrew?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21196.305, "end": 21200.885, "text": "Well, the only thing I'd like to add to that though is it'd be very difficult to rezone" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21201.865, "end": 21203.265, "text": "just using the MVP" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21203.405, "end": 21204.385, "text": "or the Calgary Plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21204.845, "end": 21208.405, "text": "You really do need the local area plan or area structure plans" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21209.145, "end": 21210.605, "text": "to provide you with that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21211.225, "end": 21212.285, "text": "block to block" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21213.365, "end": 21214.505, "text": "context." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21214.965, "end": 21223.465, "text": "Otherwise, you're just dealing with uh generalized catchment areas, and that's not sufficient and enough nuance to really talk about." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21224.105, "end": 21243.665, "text": "Heights, uses, setbacks, stepbacks, you know, floor area ratios, all of those things. Like it really is a flow of information down from the most general high level north star of the Calgary plan down to the block to the lot, which is the parcel. So that that middle piece is pretty essential." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21244.265, "end": 21252.345, "text": "And are there any other, you know, sister documents that we're not thinking of right now that will also feed into the Calgary plan?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21252.645, "end": 21261.045, "text": "So the third part of the city building program is the street manual, which is the design guidelines and the cross sections for our streets." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21261.045, "end": 21261.305, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21261.305, "end": 21268.585, "text": "That typically doesn't come to council for approval. It's administratively approved. It's really engineering standards." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21268.825, "end": 21269.125, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21270.325, "end": 21272.285, "text": "Um, just more" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21273.185, "end": 21283.325, "text": "uh this this will be kind of like our highest level plan. And when you look at the map, um let's say the city structure map with the purple industrial area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21284.065, "end": 21294.065, "text": "Um, how often are we gonna have to update this plan? So the MDP, we were doing 10 year interview polls to update. Is that gonna be similar for this as well?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21296.865, "end": 21344.305, "text": "So ideally, we would look at a comprehensive update every 10 years or so, but there may be policy legislative changes or even through applications whereby there are specific policies done or specific changes needed to the municipal development plan. We've had in the past large redevelopment applications that have come in and have triggered a municipal development plan change. Same thing with changes to the, I'm going to use the acronym, ABPA, the airport vicinity protection areas, and the NEF contours that have then also triggered redevelopment opportunities for landowners, which then would have a site specific, if you will, amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21344.485, "end": 21375.605, "text": "Yeah, that that's kind of what I'm getting at because in in Ward 3 we do have areas that are currently in the purple that are being considered for residential. Um and so could people use this document being our top document saying that oh no that was supposed to be industrial? Like can this be used in a in a public hearing to say, look, the the the new or the the Calgary plan says this, um it should stay this. Like, is that is is there bearing in that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21376.865, "end": 21392.305, "text": "So when land use items come forward to council, the report all the absolutely all relevant policy is is looked at. And if policy doesn't comply, then that's where either an amendment will come forward with that or a refusal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21392.565, "end": 21392.865, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21393.145, "end": 21396.825, "text": "And the decision is up to this group of council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21396.965, "end": 21397.285, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21397.285, "end": 21398.445, "text": "To make those decisions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21398.705, "end": 21406.525, "text": "Uh and just one last specific question. Uh when it comes to natural assets, what do we consider glacial erratics?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21408.485, "end": 21409.785, "text": "Are they a natural asset?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21413.205, "end": 21414.685, "text": "That is a very specific question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21414.685, "end": 21419.785, "text": "Super well, we're getting there. I mean this is what we wanted to do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21419.785, "end": 21420.365, "text": "They're pretty neat." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21422.005, "end": 21424.825, "text": "through your through your worship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21425.165, "end": 21446.205, "text": "Well, with the natural assets, there's also environmentally significant areas as a another specific natural feature that we refer to in the plan. So those would be determined based on a study and their significance in terms of habitat. So, in short, without confirming to an environmental specialist, I say it could be depending on its nature." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 21446.365, "end": 21482.305, "text": "I I would like it to be uh just because like uh we are a very unique place in the world that um has glacial erratics uh and there's no protections in Canada. So in Finland they have actual natural monument protections. Canada doesn't have it, and Calgary has quite a few glacial erratics that aren't being protected. They're pretty um uh there's there's some in my area that are being defaced every day because there's no protections for them. Um so would love for the a little bit more granularity on protecting our glacial erratics. So but that's it for me. Thanks, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 21484.665, "end": 21492.505, "text": "All right, colleagues. Uh we start our break in two minutes. I'm just gonna bang the gavel now and say we're back at uh 3 45." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 23682.345, "end": 23685.365, "text": "Welcome back to Calgary City Council. Mr. Clerk, please call the roll." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23686.445, "end": 23687.525, "text": "Uh Councillor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 23688.305, "end": 23688.525, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23689.585, "end": 23690.325, "text": "Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 23690.405, "end": 23690.705, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23691.145, "end": 23692.145, "text": "Councillor McClain." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23693.005, "end": 23694.345, "text": "Councillor Pentezopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23695.285, "end": 23696.185, "text": "Councillor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23698.025, "end": 23698.925, "text": "Councillor Tyres." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23700.245, "end": 23700.885, "text": "Councillor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23701.925, "end": 23702.805, "text": "Councillor Wyness." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23703.305, "end": 23704.025, "text": "Councillor Ewell." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23704.845, "end": 23705.845, "text": "Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23706.365, "end": 23707.145, "text": "Councillor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 23707.405, "end": 23707.725, "text": "President," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23708.205, "end": 23709.065, "text": "Councillor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23709.885, "end": 23710.725, "text": "Councillor Deliwal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23711.985, "end": 23712.985, "text": "Councillor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23713.245, "end": 23713.745, "text": "Yeah, present" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23714.465, "end": 23715.145, "text": "Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 23715.525, "end": 23717.065, "text": "I believe I heard co uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 23718.065, "end": 23719.745, "text": "Council McClain, but I could be wrong." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 23720.845, "end": 23721.525, "text": "Councillor McLean?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 23721.525, "end": 23723.345, "text": "number I'm remote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 23727.825, "end": 23728.485, "text": "And I'm here too." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 23731.605, "end": 23731.985, "text": "Jeremy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 23732.345, "end": 23732.805, "text": "Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 23734.125, "end": 23738.925, "text": "Uh we left off. Uh Councillor Yule, I think you still had the floor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 23740.025, "end": 23744.045, "text": "I mean I could do five more minutes on erratics, but I think I'll pass it. I'll pass the torch." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 23744.505, "end": 23746.445, "text": "All right. Councillor Schmidt, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23747.165, "end": 23750.225, "text": "I like to think of myself as a glacial erratic, actually." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 23750.405, "end": 23751.165, "text": "You're certainly erratic." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23751.165, "end": 23752.785, "text": "Yeah. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23753.045, "end": 23753.885, "text": "so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23754.445, "end": 23757.425, "text": "okay, my first question, I hope it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23757.785, "end": 23774.925, "text": "useful and relevant because uh I mean referencing the municipal government act is never a good start. But uh 637 of the MGA reads the adoption by a council of a statutory plan does not require the municipality to undertake any of the projects referred to in it. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23775.985, "end": 23778.245, "text": "would anybody be able to comment about?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23779.145, "end": 23790.785, "text": "How that influences the making of this type of plan and how that should inform us as a council, especially with a lot of the concerns that have been raised so far today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 23792.965, "end": 23801.665, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Schmidt. Through the chair, I may ask Ms. Wobasur to speak to the MGA section, and then we can talk about how that influenced the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 23802.145, "end": 23803.005, "text": "creation of the plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23815.985, "end": 23857.805, "text": "Through the chair, I'll reiterate exactly what you just read out. That is indeed one of the provisions in the MGA that guides statutory plans. And whenever I've looked at that section in the past, what it reminds me of is that these statutory plans, particularly when you're dealing with a municipal development plan, which the Calgary Plan is, are high level visionary documents. So it's not necessary binding promises or or plans on precisely what the city is gonna do with powers it may have outside operationally," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23858.645, "end": 23859.785, "text": "if that's helpful." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 23861.865, "end": 23873.945, "text": "Thank you. And what I think what I would add is that the creation of the plan is intended to be implemented. And so we do it in good faith with the understanding and listening to Calgarians and incorporating their voices." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 23874.185, "end": 23875.665, "text": "To" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 23875.945, "end": 23876.805, "text": "provide" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 23877.685, "end": 23884.445, "text": "that North Star, some guidance and certainty to the community and to the developers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23887.305, "end": 23887.585, "text": "But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23888.145, "end": 23890.165, "text": "I guess it fundamentally" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23891.185, "end": 23892.905, "text": "it what that tells us" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23893.605, "end": 23894.285, "text": "through" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23895.325, "end": 23901.505, "text": "the legislation that allows us to do this is that this is not prescriptive, this is aspirational." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 23902.865, "end": 23903.605, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23904.265, "end": 23911.425, "text": "So if we've decided as a council, which we have done on several occasions already," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23911.885, "end": 23918.405, "text": "that in this instance, with this land use, with whatever it may be, we're not going to do this, then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23918.665, "end": 23920.425, "text": "we can still choose not to do this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 23922.705, "end": 23923.325, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 23923.785, "end": 23926.945, "text": "I think maybe what I would add, if I may," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 23927.265, "end": 23933.385, "text": "is that any council out of a 30 year plan can choose its priorities and align them" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 23933.845, "end": 23938.805, "text": "to what is in the municipal development plan. So it's not required to do all of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 23939.285, "end": 23942.005, "text": "It's not required to do all of it right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 23942.685, "end": 23950.885, "text": "But there are certain there's guidance within the plan that helps to achieve the mandate that this council has put forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23951.645, "end": 23954.465, "text": "And what we're doing here is not just for us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23954.785, "end": 23955.865, "text": "Because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23956.125, "end": 23959.705, "text": "this if if this gets through to the point where" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23960.025, "end": 23965.325, "text": "we pass whatever version of it we pass as a council, it's it will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23965.945, "end": 23968.605, "text": "come to the desks of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23968.905, "end": 23972.685, "text": "Future councils that may not include all of us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 23973.485, "end": 23980.985, "text": "That's correct. It's intended to have a long life and for many councils to look to it for guidance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23982.225, "end": 23983.585, "text": "Okay, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23984.005, "end": 23985.445, "text": "then just a couple of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23985.825, "end": 23997.625, "text": "high-level points about the document that I thought might be helpful, especially with some of the comments that we received through some of our community meetings leading up to this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23999.645, "end": 24010.605, "text": "There are outcomes in this plan, but I'm wondering about as we continue to work on it, the possibility of being much more clear." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24011.725, "end": 24017.045, "text": "About what the outcomes we're seeking are. And also," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24017.705, "end": 24023.025, "text": "we focus a lot today on the development part of this and the planning part of this. So," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24024.365, "end": 24028.065, "text": "would it is it possible and useful in your view to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24028.505, "end": 24042.405, "text": "say when we talk about the local activity or the higher level areas of activity to also list somewhere, whether it's in the plan itself or with a companion document to say," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24043.565, "end": 24049.745, "text": "We chose say the 25 uh units per hectare, say, to then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24050.645, "end": 24070.665, "text": "have an explanation as to what does this help us achieve with infrastructure, with rec centers, with natural areas, with all of these things, so that we're tying each of the goals to the other goals more explicitly in the document. Because I think some of the confusion right now is coming from the fact that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24071.365, "end": 24100.665, "text": "These are all together in the same planet, but sometimes you have to connect the dots yourself. But what if we connected the dots explicitly? And also to take what you did, which I thought was really interesting in the reporting back for from the engagement, is what we didn't do. And also for us for the document to say, this is what happened, this is what would happen if we don't do this, or this is what we have to would have to do in other ways if we don't do this. Is that something that could be considered and helpful?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24102.225, "end": 24106.965, "text": "Thank you. I think that that's a really interesting idea in terms of how do we communicate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24107.225, "end": 24107.905, "text": "the plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24108.345, "end": 24110.045, "text": "And one of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24110.345, "end": 24111.765, "text": "Companion documents" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24112.105, "end": 24115.585, "text": "that the administration will put together as a user guide" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24115.845, "end": 24116.685, "text": "that will help" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24117.505, "end": 24119.645, "text": "the community associations," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24119.825, "end": 24120.905, "text": "general public," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24121.245, "end": 24122.465, "text": "developers," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24122.765, "end": 24125.825, "text": "the staff, in fact, interpret" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24126.065, "end": 24128.545, "text": "what this policy means, what it doesn't mean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24128.945, "end": 24132.945, "text": "and how they can use it to guide their decisions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24134.285, "end": 24139.725, "text": "Excellent. And now risk is also a big part of what we're talking about right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24140.785, "end": 24176.305, "text": "Is there any way that we could also integrate, say, a risk registry or a risk analysis with the different parts of this that sort of aligns with those ways to tie all the different goals together and the risks associated with doing things or not doing things as well? Uh, you know, with color coding, without color coding, whatever it may be, but something that be because ultimately the risk that we face as a city when it comes to what we're doing, a lot of the times comes back to these high level statutory plans and what they're guiding us to do. So is that something else that might be possible in the interim here?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24178.185, "end": 24182.645, "text": "So through the chair, we do have our principal corporate risk register." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24183.005, "end": 24186.565, "text": "I think that's something that we could certainly take away and consider how we could" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24186.925, "end": 24190.585, "text": "incorporate some of these risks into the principal corporate risks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24191.565, "end": 24199.865, "text": "And the indicators and monitoring mechanisms help us identify if those risks are growing or if in fact they're being mitigated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24200.105, "end": 24208.725, "text": "Great. And then sticking with this the the outcome subject, uh, local context is something that comes up a lot as well. So," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24209.345, "end": 24210.445, "text": "you know, instead of being" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24210.865, "end": 24219.905, "text": "really prescriptive about saying, you know, single family homes have to go here, here, here, duplexes have to go here, here, here, here, that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24220.625, "end": 24227.305, "text": "We look at the certain outcome, and again, really explicitly starting from the outcomes of what we want to see" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24227.525, "end": 24228.325, "text": "here," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24229.125, "end": 24242.125, "text": "and then how that informs the local context and what that local context might look to in the future. Like as Councillor Clark mentioned, that this area might be the part of the downtown in 20 years functionally, that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24242.705, "end": 24248.865, "text": "that we can tell that story of how local context is considered through the outcomes that we're wanting to achieve as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24252.225, "end": 24255.445, "text": "I think could you offer a bit more insight into what you think?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24255.445, "end": 24258.765, "text": "Yeah, so it's it's about really" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24258.985, "end": 24266.385, "text": "saying that this is what you value about this part that this is where you live, but this is what you're also uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24267.005, "end": 24273.405, "text": "telling us to do is build a rec center that you can have within five kilometers of your home. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24273.745, "end": 24275.845, "text": "and and sometimes, you know, with the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24276.845, "end": 24299.865, "text": "The the cost-benefit type of things we need to do as a city to say, well, you know, if if you are 2,000 people below your peak population levels, we can't can we really justify building a new rec center here? Because there's maybe compared to other neighborhoods that have grown that need one, that you then become your the priority listing for your neighborhood is lower." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24301.205, "end": 24304.945, "text": "Thank you. And through the chair, I understand you got that a little bit clearer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24305.305, "end": 24308.345, "text": "I think there's other tools through our service plans." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24308.745, "end": 24312.505, "text": "And other key performance indicators. Look to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24312.805, "end": 24313.625, "text": "Game Plan," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24314.085, "end": 24317.085, "text": "Connect Parks, that may talk about where there are gaps." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24317.405, "end": 24318.885, "text": "So what the what the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24319.165, "end": 24322.125, "text": "Calgary plan does is it says close those gaps" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24322.525, "end": 24325.405, "text": "and make those a priority in your investment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24325.625, "end": 24328.885, "text": "And then we can look to those other service plans as to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24329.665, "end": 24336.565, "text": "how to best invest in those services for Calgaryans. I don't know if GM Hamilton, if there's something else you'd like to add." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 24338.105, "end": 24351.005, "text": "Thank you. I'm wondering, Councillor through the chair, if you're looking for maybe more analysis or like a risk analysis on if this then that when decisions are coming forward to council? Is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24351.225, "end": 24362.145, "text": "Or or even just sort of a high level, you know, if this is a user guide that goes along with this to say to, you know, that it connects to game plan and to say." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24363.005, "end": 24365.905, "text": "You know, we want to do this across the city," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24366.505, "end": 24367.285, "text": "but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24368.325, "end": 24401.865, "text": "we we prioritize this based on the need of the community, and the need of your community is based on how many people this is going to serve, and that's why we're saying that you need to have, for example, 20, and I'm not saying that the 25 units per hectare is is is the magical one, but then that just helps tell the story as to because the you know a lot of the comments from community and from from counselors today is well, why this number? Why that number? And and that if we can actually tell the story, and again it's connecting the dots, infrastructure and parks and these types of things, that the story is that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24402.865, "end": 24414.165, "text": "We have we have to do a cost benefit of every decision that we make. And it's go these types of projects are going to go where they're most needed. And where they're most needed is where there's people to use them, is kind of what I'm getting at." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 24415.045, "end": 24424.305, "text": "okay. So a comprehensive analysis story and rationale in the user guide to explain some of these key metrics, tying them to the different outcomes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24424.365, "end": 24426.145, "text": "Yeah, and and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24427.065, "end": 24442.325, "text": "and maybe that's not possible through the plan itself, but that as we get closer to the voting time, I think that is the story that we're going to have to actually tell because that's what I think that's what at the heart of it, this whole plan is getting at. And correct me if I'm wrong about that as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24446.365, "end": 24455.145, "text": "No, I don't think you're wrong. I think this plan is about serving Calgarians and making the most effective and efficient use of the resources that we have to do that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24455.965, "end": 24472.145, "text": "And then um another part of just sort of the approach and the language, uh the you know, the focus today about well where do cars factor into this or wh where does this factor into it that um just a little bit of a reframing about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24472.605, "end": 24474.945, "text": "options, that it's about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24475.225, "end": 24482.745, "text": "Providing you options for housing, providing you options for transportation, providing you options in your own community that if we can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24483.865, "end": 24497.205, "text": "sort of change the focus of what we're doing to say this is what we want Calgary to look like, instead of to say these are the options we want to give you as somebody who's living in this city. Does that make sense as well?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24498.405, "end": 24499.485, "text": "Through the chair," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24499.885, "end": 24502.285, "text": "Councillor Schmidt. When I think of the Calgary Plan," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24502.645, "end": 24504.905, "text": "the one word that comes to mind for me is choice." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24504.945, "end": 24505.185, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24505.465, "end": 24510.645, "text": "And essentially this these policies are about providing choice whether you want to drive" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24511.005, "end": 24512.425, "text": "or you want to take transit," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24513.025, "end": 24515.005, "text": "if you want to live in a new community" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24515.225, "end": 24515.925, "text": "or in an" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24516.165, "end": 24518.505, "text": "you know a community that was built" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24518.685, "end": 24519.705, "text": "in the 50s." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24521.125, "end": 24522.365, "text": "How you want" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24522.705, "end": 24524.085, "text": "to live in your community," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24524.385, "end": 24525.725, "text": "what you have access to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24526.185, "end": 24528.945, "text": "It's really about choice. And I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24529.425, "end": 24531.985, "text": "we really heard that loud and clear from Calgarians" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24532.245, "end": 24536.745, "text": "is that as the city grows and changes, and there are more and more people living here," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24537.165, "end": 24538.605, "text": "we can't always add" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24539.065, "end": 24539.525, "text": "more" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24540.025, "end": 24540.805, "text": "infrastructure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24541.145, "end": 24543.145, "text": "We can't add more roads downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24543.545, "end": 24545.905, "text": "But how do we best use the roads that we have?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24546.385, "end": 24549.865, "text": "And also provide choice for people who may not drive," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24550.245, "end": 24550.925, "text": "for example." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24552.325, "end": 24553.205, "text": "Anything you wanted to add?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24554.085, "end": 24556.625, "text": "No, just to echo that, I think it's an important thing that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24556.865, "end": 24559.405, "text": "one of the fundamental principles we had in the plan was." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24560.085, "end": 24562.325, "text": "It's about housing choice, it's about mobility choice." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24562.885, "end": 24563.345, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24563.585, "end": 24564.245, "text": "we don't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24564.425, "end": 24568.165, "text": "we didn't want anything in here to be pitting one against the other." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24568.425, "end": 24569.705, "text": "Like that was a fundamental" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24570.625, "end": 24575.545, "text": "principle of how we started this is that all options are viable. If you want to commute by car," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24576.525, "end": 24576.945, "text": "that's great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24577.225, "end": 24579.825, "text": "If you want to be able to cycle or walk or take transit," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24580.085, "end": 24582.285, "text": "that's wonderful. And they actually benefit each other." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24583.525, "end": 24585.685, "text": "On the road is more capacity for you to drive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24586.185, "end": 24592.645, "text": "So we've always been trying to frame this as a positive system of opportunity for everyone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24594.265, "end": 24595.405, "text": "And then uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24596.205, "end": 24601.605, "text": "I think sort of the final things I'll bring up here, uh, and this is getting slightly more specific, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24602.085, "end": 24602.505, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24603.485, "end": 24604.805, "text": "a a lot of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24605.685, "end": 24612.085, "text": "I think the conflict when talking to community members and I mean you you saw this as well as the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24613.545, "end": 24624.585, "text": "the contradictions that you've heard throughout your public engagement too where they say, well we need more of this but also I want this and that the two things can't go together. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24625.105, "end": 24656.005, "text": "I think sometimes that comes from a little bit of the fear of the unknown in in how your community is going to change or how it might look, which raises something that we spend a lot of time at public hearings speaking about, which is how does something look and how does something feel? And that that was the one part, I mean, we talk about the how many stories it can be, and you know what the housing type might be and what the general context of that is, but is there a place in the Calgary plan for talking about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24656.705, "end": 24658.085, "text": "broad level" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24658.285, "end": 24670.365, "text": "architectural guidelines or aspirations or design guidelines to s to signal to communities and to developers that the Calgary plan is also talking about." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24670.785, "end": 24683.825, "text": "Aspiring to a higher quality of development, and even you know, when we've talked in the past about, you know, at one point I think a good neighbor policy was was pitched for development as well, to just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24684.365, "end": 24699.865, "text": "maybe integrate those points in in there somewhere because sometimes I feel like that's what the communities are really craving when they look at these documents is that type of specificity because that's the tangible thing that people connect to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24700.265, "end": 24709.605, "text": "And i I don't know if the Calgary Plan is necessarily the place for that, but if there's a way to work that into the language, then th that might be helpful as well for people." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24710.505, "end": 24711.945, "text": "We we can certainly" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24712.305, "end": 24720.125, "text": "but right now in section 2.3.3 there's the architectural design at a very high level and there's the heritage policies components too." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24720.645, "end": 24722.725, "text": "Be more than happy to have the conversation about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24723.105, "end": 24725.045, "text": "how we can maybe nuance that or be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24725.245, "end": 24727.305, "text": "a little more responsive because I understand that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24728.085, "end": 24728.785, "text": "change can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24729.205, "end": 24735.245, "text": "create anxiety and local area plan processes really need to step in and help, and they have been in terms of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24735.885, "end": 24742.085, "text": "having conversations around context and and what communities expect or are can for change." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24742.525, "end": 24745.865, "text": "But we could look at this plan to see if there are ways of maybe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24746.485, "end": 24749.265, "text": "increasing some of the the the citywide" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24749.685, "end": 24752.105, "text": "components to it. It's hard citywide just because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24752.465, "end": 24764.465, "text": "everything, you know, in 1950s bungalow is a very different architectural response to Hawkwood, for instance, would be so we have to we'll try. We can definitely have that conversation about how we can supplement this more." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 24764.665, "end": 24766.925, "text": "Great. Thanks. Those are my questions. Appreciate it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 24768.665, "end": 24770.245, "text": "All right. Uh Councillor Atkinson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 24772.585, "end": 24775.365, "text": "That's an interesting question and actually made me wonder about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 24776.225, "end": 24798.245, "text": "that crossed over with the infrastructure uh replacement value per capita, which is I think a really important piece to sort of think about. I guess like we want obviously beautiful public realm, but also how do we make sure that we're building a sustained, like financially sustainable city, right? Uh we want gold plated tennis courts, sure, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 24798.725, "end": 24825.685, "text": "At some point we've got to re-guild the gold. So how do we how do we make sure that we keep that balance of making things livable, awesome for you know new developing communities while also keeping an eye to 50 years down the road we're gonna have to replace that and the city is gonna bear that cost rather than the offsite levies to a certain degree that pay for it at the beginning or the developer as part of their development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24828.625, "end": 24832.425, "text": "Councillor Atkinson, thank you. I think there's some" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24832.785, "end": 24835.385, "text": "uh bolstered language and policy in here" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24835.845, "end": 24849.665, "text": "that directs the city to ensure that we're thinking about full life cycle of infrastructure when we're making capital investment decisions and recommendations. And so that is new in the plan. It's um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 24849.705, "end": 24873.105, "text": "But that's around our own builds, right? Not necessarily ones that are being put in. So like if uh if a developer is building a new community and they're making a choice about what level of playground they put in, but ultimately then that playground gets built, uh, we're on the hook at some point for refurbishing or or delivering that playground again down the road." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24873.405, "end": 24876.925, "text": "so our service standards um would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24877.725, "end": 24884.625, "text": "Inform those sorts of choices, service levels, service standards that would be defined in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 24886.165, "end": 24893.125, "text": "Connect Parks, Game Plan, those sorts of documents is where we would look to for those design standards." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 24893.125, "end": 24894.465, "text": "Okay, great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 24894.725, "end": 24914.585, "text": "Um let's go in 2.3 urban form. There was a removal of public washrooms from uh 2.3.1 point e in in that section there. And public washrooms are important for people." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 24916.265, "end": 24920.465, "text": "Just wondering why we're removing that from the urban realm or urban form." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 24921.025, "end": 24943.445, "text": "Absolutely, uh through your worship. Uh so as we were looking at the plan again after uh the deferral, we looked for areas of duplication, and there's a washroom policy under the park system section that would fulfill that objective with a little bit more specificity to it. So that was part of the well, that was the main reason why that one was removed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 24945.545, "end": 24982.205, "text": "Get that and I I appreciated it that what is there, but I think also public realm includes a lot more than parks, and I think actually making sure that washrooms are specifically a part of public realms. We should be looking to build train stations with washrooms again and these kinds of things, and that is part of the public realm and third spaces. And so I think bringing it into uh public spaces delivery. Um we could include it under basic amenities just generally, but I think explicitly calling out gives that direction beyond park space." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 24982.665, "end": 24984.285, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 24985.245, "end": 25005.725, "text": "Uh in this area too, two areas that I sort of saw lacking. One was lighting, which is a big component of sort of public safety, you know, women being able to travel around in our public spaces, our public realm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25007.125, "end": 25032.465, "text": "in comfort and safety. It's there's not really strong pieces in here on the policy side around adequate lighting conditions. And then the other one that feels like it should be here, and it is sometimes in some other elements of this document, but feels very much as a part of the urban form and public realm. It's sort of seasonality, winters, chinooks, Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25033.545, "end": 25041.885, "text": "You know, delivering on on a very important part of the ecological side of things and how we're building our sites accordingly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25042.465, "end": 25048.125, "text": "I don't know if I missed something on either of those fronts fronts, either the lighting or the sort of seasonality, but um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25049.545, "end": 25051.805, "text": "if not, maybe we should look to bring" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25051.805, "end": 25054.585, "text": "Thank you for that feedback. Happy to take a look and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25055.045, "end": 25055.565, "text": "if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25055.565, "end": 25056.205, "text": "Okay, great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25056.205, "end": 25057.005, "text": "in further" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25058.505, "end": 25069.885, "text": "That's great. 2.3.3 different um on the architectural uh design going to E in this section. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25071.245, "end": 25079.305, "text": "we've got transparent facades there, uh and I'm just just wanted to get a bit of clarification around um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25080.665, "end": 25084.885, "text": "it's continuous and transparent facades, what's meant by that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25087.545, "end": 25088.585, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25089.085, "end": 25098.445, "text": "So when we're talking about fine green details such as multiple uses in units, continuous and transparent facades, frequent entrances, outdoor patios, and featured lighting and signage. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25099.225, "end": 25102.825, "text": "continuous and transparent facades is really the idea of having glazing," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25103.025, "end": 25105.585, "text": "having not having large blank walls," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25105.785, "end": 25113.425, "text": "allowing eyes on the street, people to see in and out of the shops, and just creating a nicer pedestrian experience." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25114.145, "end": 25123.065, "text": "Yeah, I think I and I get it. Um I also think though like we can have a mix and I think actually a lot of our like old um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25123.985, "end": 25137.885, "text": "especially in actually like heritage um neighborhoods and stuff contextuality I think really matters and making sure that you're actually sort of fitting into the overall neighborhood context and not just landing glass right beside." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25138.265, "end": 25144.305, "text": "That wasn't the intent, but we can take that away as a way to make sure that it doesn't read, is that you just have to have nothing but glazing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25144.305, "end": 25173.125, "text": "Yeah, it's glass all across the front. And I also think focusing on different unit sizes in here, uh, we really need to sort of have a whole mix and not just sort of build the standard size of like how do we deliver um, you know, a shopper's drug mart in every corner, but like what are we doing to actually have a whole mix of sizes and um that should be a part of our policy. And the thing that we're encouraging is the different sizes of commercial bays that we're installing, even in a single build. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25174.965, "end": 25189.705, "text": "bird friendly policy. Uh why not why just sort of in the ecological network and not making bird friendly policy? And I don't know what bird friendly policy is, it's not in the definitions. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 25192.445, "end": 25196.405, "text": "Through the chair. I believe I will get the date" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 25197.925, "end": 25240.305, "text": "approximate. About over 10 to 12 years ago, the city of Calgary approved a bird-friendly guidelines, and that exists as a non-statutory design document in the planning document library. And that includes specific details about what it means to be bird-friendly building. But it can include something as simple as those decals on windows and other pieces. And to embed that policy in the plan, the ecological network was the place to start with that, given the mobility of animals through the wildlife corridors through the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25240.425, "end": 25244.645, "text": "Okay, so it'll refr yeah, that it it's referencing that standing plan. That's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25244.645, "end": 25247.365, "text": "It is a a valid question though. I remember when" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25247.545, "end": 25269.325, "text": "I worked at the city years ago, which was a long time ago now, there was a lot of conversation about um towers downtown turning off their lights at night to prevent bird strikes because birds are attracted. And I know in other jurisdictions like Toronto, songbirds kills um during migrations and the downtown is a big problem. So we can take a look at if there is something else to add." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25269.325, "end": 25327.925, "text": "Ways to encourage that, especially on I think like when we are looking at higher density uh builds and sort of how while it is uh gonna be most impactful along ecological corridors, I think looking at uh at a bit wider. Uh going into the mobility system 3.2, um we don't have car shares listed, and that's both in I guess 3.2 and I would say in your parking section, uh 3.2.7. There is no mention, uh there is like other uses of curbside space, but um we're not encouraging car share uh specifically within the policy, and that feels like something that should be maybe within the um prioritization sustainability uh and that sort of like um mobility priority chart that is there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25329.445, "end": 25331.665, "text": "We can definitely take a look at at the problem." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25331.665, "end": 25333.105, "text": "That one. Great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25334.085, "end": 25339.465, "text": "Um Wheeling three point two point three has uh gotten a bit of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25340.345, "end": 25363.025, "text": "Exposure today. Um, and it made me start thinking about last year, May, we had a skateboarder. 17-year-old kid died on our streets. But then it made me look at the mobility data we just received at CDC last week where we break out bicyclists. So I'm it actually it's speaking to me actually of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25364.265, "end": 25378.225, "text": "we need to align our data and reporting back to council along the same lines as what we're proposing within these documents. Because we had two cyclists killed last year," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25379.105, "end": 25385.285, "text": "but they were cyclists, and that was reported within the mobility report that we received last week. Uh, but scooters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25386.445, "end": 25398.285, "text": "people on um on on skateboards as that you know that seventeen year old was were not reported they were just reported as pedestrians and it's not giving us the correct sense of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25398.925, "end": 25427.725, "text": "How much wheeling is actually impacting in terms of deaths, injuries on our roads, and we need to make sure that we have correct data so we can make good informed choices, and so making sure that I think this is across administration really lining up what if we're using wheeling within this document, I think it's on us to sort of make sure that we're aligning all of our statistics and the pieces that are being fed into our decision making along the same same guidelines." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25428.545, "end": 25430.765, "text": "That's just more of a broad note." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25434.225, "end": 25437.105, "text": "3.2.7 um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25439.325, "end": 25442.225, "text": "number are letter I." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25442.625, "end": 25458.425, "text": "Municipal revenues from parking fees, it says here, may be reinvested in the areas where they were collected to support transit. I think it should be should, if not must. Especially as we have made our parking" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25460.665, "end": 25486.345, "text": "parking, especially as we're we're no longer sort of landing density all across in the same sorts of ways, and we are using parking on the curb side to incentivize and disincentivize cur parking on the curb. We don't want this to turn into something that a tax on high activity areas that is then going to pay for amenities in low." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25486.925, "end": 25497.325, "text": "Activity areas. We don't want to be siphoning money out. And if the point and the purpose of this is to sort of regulate and make sure that we're using our curb parking efficiently," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25497.645, "end": 25513.525, "text": "this is a way to make sure that we're funding and making sure we're putting back. So right now it's a may. I think it should be at least a should, and if not, a must to keep it in the areas in which the people are paying for those resources." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25513.525, "end": 25515.465, "text": "I think that's a good example of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25515.925, "end": 25519.685, "text": "direction we'd be looking for from council if there was agreement on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25519.685, "end": 25520.065, "text": "Yeah," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25520.745, "end": 25523.285, "text": "Yeah, we've heard I think we've heard different perspectives on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25523.285, "end": 25523.745, "text": "sure. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25523.745, "end": 25532.645, "text": "One thing I would say is on the parking revenues, um, some of them do go to the business improvement areas to access as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25532.645, "end": 25548.185, "text": "It's a great, it's a great program, right? Like the Kensington BIA receives money from the parking in and around there, which feeds into the overall programming and vibrancy of the space, which helps to keep it a high activity and vibrant area, much in line with the rest of this document." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25548.465, "end": 25552.125, "text": "4.3" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25552.525, "end": 25586.145, "text": "We're going into sort of municipal civic facilities. One piece I think that is missing in here is a focus on aging facilities. There's sort of a lot of talk about sort of new facilities and how we're landing them and equity of placement and these kinds of things. And a piece that's really missing is sort of what we're doing in developed areas or redeveloping neighborhoods and how we're really tackling that on the whole. A lot of these policies really feel like they're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25586.745, "end": 25604.605, "text": "I mean it does mention local area plans and these kinds of things, but it's how you tackle that problem and actually how we are going to make sure that we're delivering on the promises of civic facilities, especially with our aging community centers and rec facilities," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25605.565, "end": 25607.825, "text": "feels like a gap within the overall" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25608.665, "end": 25611.905, "text": "civic facilities policy there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25613.905, "end": 25622.905, "text": "Uh 4.5, just the next page. Um, stormwater systems, there's a piece in here around parking, adding to our overall um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25624.725, "end": 25665.345, "text": "stormwater management needs. And I wonder if we'd need stronger, it made me question whether we need stronger protections and uses of stormwater with parking, right? When we're landing buildings now on sites, we're doing stormwater collection, tanks on sites, these kinds of things. Should parking, which is a very big hard surface, be trying to do flood mitigation? And I know some great parking lots are actually doing great, you know, uh bioswales or these kinds of things that are keeping the stormwater on site. But I don't didn't, but but maybe I didn't see it when I was reading through. I didn't see those kinds of policy directions to have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25666.085, "end": 25672.665, "text": "parking lots work to keep storm water either on site with tanks or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25673.345, "end": 25673.805, "text": "yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25674.185, "end": 25682.145, "text": "Would that be similar to one 4.5i, where green stormwater infrastructure within the park system" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25682.725, "end": 25686.245, "text": "but apply that to parking lots? Is that what you're thinking?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25686.245, "end": 25703.045, "text": "Yeah, okay. Maybe it's yeah, it's just it's a huge hardscaped surface that is adding to the overall overruns on our stormwater management systems. And if we got that to actually do more locally and on site, I think it would really help with the city infrastructure that we need to maintain." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 25703.205, "end": 25703.685, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 25704.425, "end": 25711.185, "text": "Hi, uh through your worship. Uh there is a policy in section 2.3.2" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 25711.745, "end": 25713.165, "text": "um H" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 25713.705, "end": 25720.025, "text": "for uh green stormwater infrastructure principles to be incorporated into parking lot design." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 25720.785, "end": 25721.965, "text": "It is in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 25722.405, "end": 25725.185, "text": "design section rather than the stormwater section." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25729.385, "end": 25730.105, "text": "Nice." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25730.425, "end": 25737.785, "text": "Great. Greenwater stormwater, green stormwater infrastructure principles should be incorporated into parking lot design more feasible. Thank you. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25740.265, "end": 25763.085, "text": "Where feasible. Do we need that? If should is there? It's not a must. We could just get rid of the where feasible. Okay, let's go into uh 4.6. Uh I would recommend there a prioritization of composting specifically within the waste system, uh, just to help with that piece. And finally, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25765.005, "end": 25775.045, "text": "no, two more, sorry. Uh one is on 5.2.3. Councillor Clark already touched on this. Um, it's throughout this document the indigenous uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25776.205, "end": 25818.225, "text": "Engagement with Indigenous peoples is a may kind of throughout this document. And even I think in this preamble sort of speaks to it, it's just indigenous engagement may foster inclusive. It's like Indigenous engagement fosters inclusive urban development, period. Like this is the preamble. If we got to say may, even within that, I think we're not thinking about our commitments to reconciliation properly. We can't even sort of say it out loud that it does foster an inclusive development. That that sort of speaks to it, but then I think we need to look at the policies throughout here and make sure that we're we're starting to actively work on our engagement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25819.245, "end": 25826.545, "text": "piece there. The last one that I have is within the glossary section, building scale." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25827.185, "end": 25831.705, "text": "I know that your low building scale is up to six stories." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25832.785, "end": 25884.985, "text": "But what we're seeing actually in a lot of our scale building at that size, and especially if we're trying to encourage commercial on the bottom, is we're seeing uh a concrete podium for a single floor and then a six-story build on top of that. So it becomes a seven-story build. And I guess I just with it being sort of we're setting the determinations of height and and sort of building scale within this, but we're also trying to encourage commercial within these areas, those two feel like they might be at odds and that we might just end up building more six-story wood frame housing that doesn't incorporate commercial on the bottom, uh, if we don't allow for up to that seventh-story on the podium, or have some other mechanism to really incentivize maybe a six-story where it's five stories of um." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25885.685, "end": 25890.165, "text": "uh wood structure on top of a concrete podium." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25891.045, "end": 25897.625, "text": "I don't know if that's the kind of thing that you're sort of seeing within development, but I'm just noticing a lot of that in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25897.845, "end": 25908.705, "text": "Yeah, we can definitely circle back with build and and industry and our inner city builder groups to talk to them about that as well. Um yeah, we you're definitely building code for wood is to six, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25909.225, "end": 25913.285, "text": "if what you were s seeing is concrete and then six wood on top," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25913.565, "end": 25915.665, "text": "we'll we'll circle back and if we need to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25915.665, "end": 25917.285, "text": "what's available as a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25917.385, "end": 25917.745, "text": "sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25917.865, "end": 25953.885, "text": "Possibility. Great. I think it's I think this is heading in in a better direction. I think that we need to start thinking about land use with how we move people around. And I really appreciate the tie-ins. I think starting to think about how we develop our spaces, how where we're landing density, how we're moving people around the city together instead of in separate documents is really how we build cities, right? And so to marry these two plans together, make it much more plain language, give people an expectation of what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25954.785, "end": 25981.945, "text": "What they can see in terms of where we're going over the next couple of decades, I think this is definitely headed in that direction. I think that some of these changes and suggestions and working through some of these pieces would be great to sort of landing the document, but I definitely feel like this is heading us down a path that is much more human readable, much more for the public, and much more for just our accountability to citizens overall. So thanks for the work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 25985.325, "end": 25990.905, "text": "All right. I I think we may have exhausted the questions. Nope. Uh Councillor Johnston. Please go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25993.185, "end": 25996.665, "text": "When was the last time we did engagement for the Calgary Plan" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25996.805, "end": 25998.025, "text": "with the the public?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 26002.785, "end": 26009.685, "text": "Councillor, I'll ask um perhaps um Rachel Dillon to come up, but I will also turn your attention to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 26009.885, "end": 26011.865, "text": "attachment five." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 26012.385, "end": 26016.625, "text": "Um our summary is in there with the timeline, but I'll let Rachel speak to the specifics." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26018.285, "end": 26019.365, "text": "Through your worship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26019.625, "end": 26033.225, "text": "Thank you for the question. So with the Calgary plan on its own, without talking about the zoning bylaw at the same time, that would have been in June 2024." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26033.645, "end": 26073.665, "text": "However, we did engage with the zoning bylaw in September 2025, and that was a really important engagement period for us because I don't know if you remember a few hours ago when I listed off all the changes about context retreats, all of that came about through that zoning conversation because, as you all know, as people start to work through zoning, they could start to get a clearer picture of what will be built on the ground. So, us listening to that conversation, we were able to very easily identify improvements to the Calgary plan to reflect what people were talking about there. So I hope that clarifies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26073.665, "end": 26077.125, "text": "So the engagement process, you guys probably like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26077.905, "end": 26080.885, "text": "rightfully so would believe it was a very important part of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26081.025, "end": 26088.745, "text": "putting this plan together. Do you think this engagement process would have changed or could change if we were to start over now?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26089.725, "end": 26091.145, "text": "Now we have new council," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26091.685, "end": 26094.085, "text": "new environment, new" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26096.245, "end": 26103.665, "text": "Policy or land use uh policy changes, like do you think that engagement would change or substantially change?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26104.465, "end": 26111.365, "text": "Uh through your worship. It's a it's a really excellent question. And thinking through it, I think that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26112.525, "end": 26185.405, "text": "My first point would be when we look at how each phase kind of built on the other, the very first phase of engagement we did in late fall 2023, that when we talked about the current MDP and we presented all of the current strategic direction and the goals like growth around transit, ecological network, and we asked the public how they feel we're doing on them. Are they still important to them? And what was the major finding from that one was that these are still important to us. And as we've talked about this afternoon, most of the direction that we have in the Calgary plan is very consistent with the current MDP. And that first engagement really set the tone that, okay, most of the direction is still valid. And then it's really about these precise refinements that are needed to help people understand the document better, as well as update the plan based on the current circumstances. So my hypothesis is if we were to start again, we would likely continue to hear that Calgary's priorities are pretty consistent with what we heard in 2023 when we reconfirmed them, which are consistent with what the plan the current MDP has." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26186.965, "end": 26191.485, "text": "Would there be exact metrics of what you heard? Because I understand you guys" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26192.325, "end": 26194.005, "text": "had a very broad uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26194.825, "end": 26203.885, "text": "engagement process, and I'm just wondering, is there a set of standards you use for collecting that for against yes no um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26204.885, "end": 26210.285, "text": "smiley face, ad face? Like, is there a set of metrics that you could share with us that you learn from that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26211.865, "end": 26244.125, "text": "Uh through your worship. The what we have, and I think maybe we could take it away and look at see how we could aggregate things, because the engagement data is presented in a few different ways in each of the phases, what we heard reports. A lot of them had online surveys that resulted in bar graphs and quantification to show how people ranked different things or what they thought was more important than other things. And then other engagement was more conversational and qualitative based, wherever we digitized people's comments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26244.685, "end": 26260.545, "text": "Verbatim from common forms or from post its from engagements. So we have verbatim comments of everything we heard throughout the engagement process. But we could look at seeing how we could consolidate from those five phases for you, if that would be helpful" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26261.625, "end": 26262.545, "text": "And just from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26263.265, "end": 26266.105, "text": "you guys as a a team working like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26266.965, "end": 26268.225, "text": "Did you find any" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26269.105, "end": 26277.545, "text": "potentially discrepancies on maybe different parts of the city that were for this, against it? Um did it kind of align with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26277.945, "end": 26278.605, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26279.685, "end": 26282.285, "text": "potentially what the blanket rezoning" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26283.805, "end": 26285.445, "text": "sentiment was at the same time?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26286.965, "end": 26288.145, "text": "through your worship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26289.105, "end": 26293.145, "text": "That is another really good question. And I think that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26293.285, "end": 26309.425, "text": "A lot of it did. I think the big things about context absolutely was something that we heard. But how people interpret context does vary, which isn't which is unsurprising depending on what part of the city they're from and the unique character of their neighborhoods. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26309.645, "end": 26314.425, "text": "context as a headline, yes, but details, variability." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26314.765, "end": 26318.325, "text": "Choice was absolutely huge, and it's the same thing that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26318.585, "end": 26323.445, "text": "because the plan operates at quite a high level, people could generally agree about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26323.705, "end": 26329.245, "text": "more housing choice, more mobility choice. But then as things start to get more detailed, uh that's when" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 26329.545, "end": 26347.965, "text": "uh there is maybe some discrepancy in and different perspectives and it does vary across the city um but also within communities as well like we'll hear different opinions in the same ward or the same neighborhoods so they're a city of 1.5 million we do hear a lot of different opinions for sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26348.785, "end": 26350.525, "text": "Um kind of thinking" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26351.425, "end": 26356.845, "text": "in my head here, it I could imagine it being difficult having to bridge um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26357.685, "end": 26362.005, "text": "plans between councils, right? Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26363.645, "end": 26364.605, "text": "Yeah, like I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26366.905, "end": 26368.345, "text": "that I I mean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26368.825, "end": 26382.905, "text": "because there might be two different councils that think completely differently. So I I mean I do appreciate you guys having to deal with that aspect of this. And it's almost like I wish one of these plans could probably just stick to one council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26383.405, "end": 26394.205, "text": "because now I fear this is gonna potentially get pushed back another year or two, and then we're just in limbo. Um could you guys speak to what the budget was for this plan?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26396.825, "end": 26403.725, "text": "Councillor Johnston, Council approved a budget of $17 million for the overall city building program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26404.025, "end": 26405.725, "text": "Which includes the Calgary Plan," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26406.145, "end": 26407.945, "text": "the zoning bylaw, and the street manual." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26410.165, "end": 26411.585, "text": "Have we reached that budget" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26411.945, "end": 26412.545, "text": "on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26412.665, "end": 26413.025, "text": "Not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26413.285, "end": 26413.865, "text": "not yet." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26413.985, "end": 26414.905, "text": "Not yet. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26415.425, "end": 26416.445, "text": "We are on track" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26416.685, "end": 26417.945, "text": "and under budget at this point." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26418.305, "end": 26418.705, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26419.945, "end": 26420.605, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26424.145, "end": 26425.405, "text": "when you guys did engagement," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26430.385, "end": 26433.865, "text": "I guess I'm not trying to be too selfish here, but word 14, like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26434.665, "end": 26438.605, "text": "what was the process for potentially like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26439.885, "end": 26445.265, "text": "La Buena Vista was very against blanket rezoning, right? And I understand this isn't blanket rezoning, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26445.645, "end": 26449.705, "text": "there's a feel to it and people feel things and they have a right to feel that way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26451.085, "end": 26451.985, "text": "How would I?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26452.165, "end": 26453.345, "text": "Explain to them" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26454.725, "end": 26455.345, "text": "that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26455.865, "end": 26457.685, "text": "within 600 meters of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26458.345, "end": 26459.525, "text": "Canyon Meadows," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26461.985, "end": 26462.945, "text": "Southland," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26463.705, "end": 26477.025, "text": "that a 27 plus story could be built midway through Bonavista under this plan. Right? I don't think they'd be very happy with that. Again, everything goes through land use now, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26477.965, "end": 26489.625, "text": "depending on what the council is, all of those could be approved. So what would you best help us or myself explain this to a resident in Bonavista?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 26490.745, "end": 26521.525, "text": "Councillor Johnson through the chair. We would be more than happy to meet with you and any of the counselors and on on two levels is what based on what I'm hearing today. Um, share with you the engagement that we've done, um, show you where all the what we heard reports are on Calgary.ca, walk you through that, and then also we can have a award conversation with you about um the city structure map, what that looks like, how the policies align, and what to help you explain to your constituents." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 26522.425, "end": 26524.725, "text": "We'd be happy to have that conversation with you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26530.745, "end": 26532.325, "text": "I think I'll leave it there for now. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26536.245, "end": 26540.085, "text": "All right. I see nobody else in the queue. Would anyone like to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26540.345, "end": 26543.825, "text": "I understand there's a potential amendment, but would anyone like to move the main" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26544.685, "end": 26545.205, "text": "at this time" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26551.005, "end": 26551.905, "text": "to get on the table?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26553.325, "end": 26555.585, "text": "All right, Councillor Chabot has uh moved that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26556.165, "end": 26556.885, "text": "Is there a seconder?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26558.845, "end": 26560.385, "text": "Seconded by uh Councillor Yule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26563.765, "end": 26566.605, "text": "All right, uh I'm looking to Councillor Ward on an amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26568.145, "end": 26573.305, "text": "Yes, uh I've just sent it through to clerks uh based on the conversation we've had here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26573.845, "end": 26580.745, "text": "Uh so basically the amendment would be to remove uh recommendation two and three and replace them with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26581.585, "end": 26609.585, "text": "um directing administration not to proceed with further development of the draft Calgary plan and recommendation three direct administration to identify specific deficiencies in the current municipal development plan and Calgary Transportation Plan and return to council no later than Q2 2027 with targeted amendments to those plans, including associated cost estimates, implementation requirements, and infrastructure implications. Um the biggest problem that I have with this is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26611.025, "end": 26630.465, "text": "the definitions of how things are. So we say the highest densities of housing should be located within four hundred meters of the existing or planned primary transit network. So I went to the trouble of mapping this out for Ward 11 and for Ward 6 because I got bored. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26631.245, "end": 26636.185, "text": "In this, I don't know if they can't get this, but this is what it looks like. It's basically the entire ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26637.165, "end": 26637.705, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26638.725, "end": 26640.405, "text": "if we look at ward six," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26641.865, "end": 26644.745, "text": "it's also basically the entire ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26645.325, "end": 26651.205, "text": "And then if we look at the definition of high activity neighborhood, which defines as 600 meters," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26651.485, "end": 26660.885, "text": "now it is absolutely 100% definitely the entire ward. So we have these categories for different types of areas, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26661.765, "end": 26667.265, "text": "At least for Ward 11 and probably Ward 6, it's the entire ward. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26668.025, "end": 26670.845, "text": "the what l the main argument here is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26671.665, "end": 26707.625, "text": "uh regardless of the terminology we use here, residents will reasonably conclude that this plan establishes a citywide expectation for substantial intensification across most uh uh across most wards. And in my opinion, administration has not proven that we need a new an MDP here. Um so before we spend more time, money, and admin resources advancing or replacement MDP, I believe admin must first demonstrate why replacing the existing framework is necessary in the first place. Uh the current MDP has guided Calgary's growth for many years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26708.465, "end": 26762.285, "text": "And as we learned, well, I already knew, but as we learned today, that it underwent an update in 2020, and yet I haven't seen clear uh evidence that it is fundamentally broken or incapable of being improved through targeted amendments. And what I see before us today is not a simple update, it's a wholesale replacement of the highest level planning document. This is a pretty significant undertaking. If we believe that there's shortcomings in the current NDP MDP, then we should identify them. And if there are policies that require modernization, then bring forward those amendments. If there are gaps, show us the gaps. But replacing the entire MDP should require a compelling case supported by evidence, fiscal analysis, infrastructure analysis, and a clear explanation of why targeted amendments are insufficient. I don't believe that case has been made. And my amendment simply directs administration to focus on improving the existing MDP rather than continuing down the path of replacement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26763.265, "end": 26768.845, "text": "I believe it's more prudent, fiscally responsible, and an accountable approach. Uh so that is the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 26769.585, "end": 26772.765, "text": "the basis of my amendment. And I would ask people to support it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26773.665, "end": 26775.825, "text": "Thank you. Uh do we have a seconder from the amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26776.645, "end": 26778.345, "text": "Second by Councillor Johnston?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26779.285, "end": 26779.485, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26780.705, "end": 26786.925, "text": "All right, uh I'm going through the queue for this. Uh Councillor Johnston, on Councillor Ward's amendment, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26790.785, "end": 26793.865, "text": "Is it possible to amend the current MDP?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26795.745, "end": 26796.025, "text": "Just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26797.185, "end": 26798.965, "text": "It is. I can't tell you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26799.585, "end": 26800.545, "text": "what the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26800.705, "end": 26803.445, "text": "scope of work would be at this point because we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26804.065, "end": 26806.045, "text": "didn't address it. We did not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26806.465, "end": 26807.525, "text": "approach this work" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26807.925, "end": 26809.565, "text": "as an MDP amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26810.005, "end": 26812.185, "text": "We approached it as a combination of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26812.745, "end": 26815.465, "text": "The Municipal Development Plan and the Cavalry Transportation Plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26815.725, "end": 26820.385, "text": "So it's a very different scope of work. I can't give you an estimate of time or cost to do that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26821.065, "end": 26823.165, "text": "how long was the original MDP" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26823.425, "end": 26825.025, "text": "plan supposed to last?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26828.605, "end": 26832.485, "text": "It was intended to be a 60-year document with 10-year updates." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26833.945, "end": 26836.205, "text": "And that started in 2020 or 2000?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26836.205, "end": 26839.845, "text": "2009 is when the municipal development plan was adopted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26840.025, "end": 26841.865, "text": "Okay, so 2020 was an update." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26842.665, "end": 26845.685, "text": "2020 was a light touch update." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26846.325, "end": 26847.885, "text": "We have not done" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26848.265, "end": 26852.265, "text": "a 10 year review in fall. This was the first real 10 year review" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26852.685, "end": 26853.985, "text": "after 17 years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26854.165, "end": 26857.485, "text": "So how many years left technically on that original plan?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26858.365, "end": 26859.705, "text": "Quick uh quick." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26859.745, "end": 26860.525, "text": "52." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26860.525, "end": 26861.685, "text": "Okay. All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26861.685, "end": 26863.145, "text": "Is that right? No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26863.445, "end": 26864.445, "text": "Thir 32?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26864.525, "end": 26865.225, "text": "43." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26865.225, "end": 26865.885, "text": "43." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26866.145, "end": 26867.545, "text": "My mouth was bad." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26867.545, "end": 26868.205, "text": "That's okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26868.725, "end": 26869.805, "text": "Um, okay, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26872.825, "end": 26873.105, "text": "w" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26873.845, "end": 26875.765, "text": "what's the point of putting dates to these?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26876.905, "end": 26879.365, "text": "Have we ever seen through a 30-year plan before?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26882.845, "end": 26884.065, "text": "We had a municipal" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26884.285, "end": 26885.665, "text": "development plan" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26885.825, "end": 26887.025, "text": "from the 80s" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26887.845, "end": 26891.025, "text": "that is what was updated in 2009." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26891.165, "end": 26892.865, "text": "It was it was under a different name," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26893.605, "end": 26894.865, "text": "but it did have a long" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26895.305, "end": 26896.085, "text": "term life." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26896.325, "end": 26896.685, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26897.445, "end": 26904.265, "text": "Okay. Uh I would just like to say the current MDP plan, along with some of the LAPs, along with a brief" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26904.445, "end": 26914.385, "text": "introduction of uh blanket rezoning, um, the current MDP plan was a backboard for the largest growth, if not uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26915.685, "end": 26918.205, "text": "Well, in our history, but for sure in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26919.085, "end": 26924.305, "text": "country of Canada for um new home starts. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26924.885, "end": 26931.825, "text": "I mean I'm I'm with Councillor Ward on this. I think we can just solidify the MDP right now um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 26934.285, "end": 26953.205, "text": "and get that done quicker and then get on to working on in my hope would be smaller LAPs, which is where a lot of this would be granular and more ward specific, neighborhood specific. Um this just feels overreaching. Um, and I would hope the rest of council would support this amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 26955.845, "end": 26957.845, "text": "All right, uh on the amendment, Councillor Wynus?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 26959.445, "end": 26963.585, "text": "Thanks. How much will it cost us to start doing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 26963.805, "end": 26964.925, "text": "the MDP" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 26965.245, "end": 26966.625, "text": "work and drop this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26967.885, "end": 26968.585, "text": "I don't have a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26968.785, "end": 26971.105, "text": "cost estimate. I've never scoped that work. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26971.285, "end": 26972.625, "text": "need to take that away, Councillor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 26973.085, "end": 26976.045, "text": "We have a ballpark, like because we allocated what was it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26976.045, "end": 26976.945, "text": "I would say" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26977.365, "end": 26979.465, "text": "I I don't even want to estimate a guess." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26979.925, "end": 26982.005, "text": "It it would depend on the level of engagement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26982.465, "end": 26983.845, "text": "That is expected from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26984.385, "end": 26984.785, "text": "council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 26985.565, "end": 26985.845, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 26986.005, "end": 26987.185, "text": "so if we were to expect you to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 26987.645, "end": 26990.385, "text": "consult with Calgarians, it we'd be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 26990.845, "end": 26993.685, "text": "Pretty much reallocating another $17 million budget item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26993.965, "end": 26996.925, "text": "Don't believe it would be $17 million. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 26999.185, "end": 27000.625, "text": "I've seen a rough ballpark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 27000.725, "end": 27001.685, "text": "seven to ten million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27004.425, "end": 27005.145, "text": "Okay, and then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27005.325, "end": 27007.645, "text": "pretty much everything we spent up to this point is a wash." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 27009.165, "end": 27009.485, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27009.585, "end": 27012.925, "text": "I think I think that's the the challenging spot. I like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27014.025, "end": 27015.785, "text": "we still have to have an M M" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27016.225, "end": 27020.145, "text": "D P document and we're trying to align our plans and see also" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27020.485, "end": 27020.725, "text": "like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27021.085, "end": 27024.745, "text": "as much as the Calgary Plan is a challenging document right now," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27025.105, "end": 27026.305, "text": "it showcases the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27026.685, "end": 27031.705, "text": "Problems within our other plans that are all tying up within our business units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27032.085, "end": 27037.005, "text": "So when we sit here and get frustrated that we're not getting fire halls built, or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27037.225, "end": 27039.085, "text": "our communities are asking us for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27039.505, "end": 27041.765, "text": "uh some kind of amenity, it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27042.085, "end": 27047.805, "text": "because those plans don't cross pollinate until it's actually going into the ground. This document is at least showing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27048.145, "end": 27048.405, "text": "us that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27048.645, "end": 27051.125, "text": "there's a lot of work that needs to happen to connect the dots." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27051.505, "end": 27054.405, "text": "I'd rather connect the dots in the theory part of it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27054.765, "end": 27055.765, "text": "than have admin." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27056.345, "end": 27060.085, "text": "deliver a service, have the built form in the ground, and then have to go" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27060.405, "end": 27061.585, "text": "reinvest money" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27061.985, "end": 27065.245, "text": "after we've spent millions of dollars. And I get it. This is hard." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27065.745, "end": 27066.825, "text": "This is frustrating." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27067.125, "end": 27069.725, "text": "Uh I'm frustrated with the document as it is right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27070.405, "end": 27070.765, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27071.065, "end": 27072.645, "text": "but I would rather at least" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27074.185, "end": 27074.725, "text": "try and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27075.145, "end": 27077.865, "text": "fix this document because we've already sunk at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27078.185, "end": 27080.945, "text": "least ten million wherever your account is at right now than" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27081.525, "end": 27088.065, "text": "wash it and then spend another 10 to still end up in a spot where we're still blowing so much money around this organization. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27089.025, "end": 27093.385, "text": "Yeah, I'm not going to support this one. I think the other amendments that come that's going to come next is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27093.945, "end": 27096.225, "text": "more supportable given we have to watch our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27096.645, "end": 27096.945, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27097.805, "end": 27102.665, "text": "spending and try and connect the dots on so many different plans that are being created in this organization." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27107.925, "end": 27117.065, "text": "Yep. Uh I think that's it. I'll go actually I'll I'll just briefly say basically what Councillor Wynus said uh for my debate. I agree with you fully, Councillor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27117.545, "end": 27119.385, "text": "I'll go to Councillor Ward to uh close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 27119.665, "end": 27119.925, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 27120.345, "end": 27130.205, "text": "Um so at the end of the day, this this amendment comes down to one simple question is has administration demonstrated to you that Calgary needs a new" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 27130.645, "end": 27155.605, "text": "Municipal development plan, not a different municipal development plan, not a preferred municipal development plan, a necessary municipal development plan. Because replacing the highest level document for planning in our city should not be undertaken simply because administration has worked on it for several years. It should be undertaken because there is a clear and compelling need." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 27155.825, "end": 27211.925, "text": "So throughout today's discussion, I've heard you know many explanations of what the Calgary Plan does. It's it expla explanations about housing policies, about mobility policies, about growth policies. What I have not heard is a convincing explanation of why these objectives cannot be achieved through targeted amendments to the existing MDP. We've recently come through one of the largest planning debates the city's ever seen. Thousands participated days long, and council provided clear direction. Now, only months later, we're being asked to continue advancing a new planning framework that many residents will reasonably view as reopening many of the same questions that we just addressed. I don't believe it's the right path. The amendment doesn't stop planning, it doesn't prevent improvements, it it it does not prevent modernization, even. It simply says that before we replace a functioning MDP, administration should clearly identify what is broken." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 27212.165, "end": 27218.605, "text": "what needs to change, and why they cannot be accomplished through amendments to the existing framework." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 27219.465, "end": 27239.665, "text": "That's a reasonable request, and I'm going to use the line because we love to throw it around. That's good governance. And that is why I ask for your support. The burden was never on us as a council to prove that the existing MDP should stay. The burden was on administration to prove that it should be replaced. And I don't believe that burden has been met. Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27240.725, "end": 27244.205, "text": "All right. Um Mr. Clerk, let's engage the U boat, please, on this amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 27258.145, "end": 27259.585, "text": "Councillor McLean, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27260.445, "end": 27260.885, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 27261.865, "end": 27262.905, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27263.405, "end": 27263.665, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 27264.405, "end": 27265.165, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27265.785, "end": 27267.185, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27269.985, "end": 27278.005, "text": "On that, the motion has been defeated. Uh 5 to 10 with Councillors Schmidt, Kelly, Daliwall, Panasopoulos, Atkinson, Clark, Yule," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27278.325, "end": 27280.505, "text": "Chabot, Wyness, and myself opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27281.525, "end": 27284.225, "text": "All right, I'm gonna go to uh Councillor Panizopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27285.425, "end": 27287.325, "text": "Thanks so much. Uh to move an amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27288.645, "end": 27290.845, "text": "For clarity, we're back to the original motion, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27291.065, "end": 27291.285, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27291.285, "end": 27292.925, "text": "That's right. Fantastic, fantastic." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27291.445, "end": 27291.525, "text": "Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27293.345, "end": 27293.985, "text": "Um, you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27294.605, "end": 27300.165, "text": "know, I echo some comments that were said earlier. I think this is probably going to be the biggest decision that this council will make," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27300.605, "end": 27308.585, "text": "even in excess of our four year plan, because we're looking at that top of house strategic vision for the next 30 years for development in the city of Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27309.145, "end": 27313.425, "text": "17 years ago, we've heard lots of stories about what the city looked like, what's happened," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27313.945, "end": 27322.105, "text": "marginal changes, everything's changed. We've almost doubled our population. There's a hundred reasons why things are different. Came out of an election, came out of blanket rezoning, lots." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27322.665, "end": 27332.545, "text": "For this council and to get our voice, this is our first chance. This is our first chance to look at this statutory document, come together, and just think of the debate we've had today, we had yesterday, we had last week," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27333.285, "end": 27337.705, "text": "and the conversations we're going to have with this in the next few months. This is exactly what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27338.325, "end": 27349.805, "text": "is required. This is the heavy lifting, rolling up our sleeves, and getting there and getting our vision, our vision, what we heard at the doors, the tens of thousands of doors that we knocked, what we want to see for growth for the next 30 years in the city of Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27350.945, "end": 27352.965, "text": "This amendment is asking for more time," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27353.485, "end": 27354.865, "text": "looking into January." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27355.745, "end": 27379.885, "text": "Not for any other reason than to debate. We do want to debate, to engage, but most importantly, develop a plan that works for Calgarians. This is not a kick the can. This is a commitment. This is do the heavy lifting and hard work. This is going down 1.1, here's what I like, here's what I don't like. 1.2, have we thought about this? Getting that data, understanding, engaging with Calgarians, saying, this is what it looks like, what do you think? How do we think of this across the whole city? I think it's so important." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27381.205, "end": 27393.945, "text": "The reason for this versus something later in 28 or 29 comes down to that land use. It is uh a Frankenstein at best. We know we have to amend it. It's been amended a thousand times, we have to come back. And they work together. So this is something that's very critical." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27394.545, "end": 27397.045, "text": "We get our Calgary plant to somewhere that we like." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27397.845, "end": 27400.785, "text": "We then come into the land use, which is really a huge driver." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27401.905, "end": 27406.405, "text": "And maybe I'll sort of just close on for the ones that say, hey, this is pretty darn good, let's keep it there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27406.645, "end": 27416.665, "text": "Let's work with our colleagues. Let's incorporate their changes, their perspective, their learned experiences, what their Calgarians want, what their ward residence and bring it, make it better. And to those who want to say no, let's just kill it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27416.965, "end": 27426.165, "text": "Let's fix what's wrong. If you see something, this is the chance. Work with your colleagues, address it. How can we make a better Calgary? This is the opportunity instead of killing it. And work towards really the best it can be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27426.745, "end": 27430.045, "text": "We're gonna get this right by working together. It's gonna be hard, it's gonna be difficult." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27430.565, "end": 27439.985, "text": "There's a hard timeline here. Come back in January. We have the time, it's after our budget, and I think we're gonna come to really good Calgary, and we're gonna wake up in four years and hopefully in 40 years and say, hey, we did something special." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27440.565, "end": 27450.465, "text": "So with that, I hope everybody can support this amendment to continue the conversation and do the heavy lifting that we were elected for and required to make sure Calgary becomes and still remains the best city in Canada. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27451.545, "end": 27456.705, "text": "All right, uh that's been open and seconded by Councillor Clark. I'm gonna go to Councillor Yule in the queue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 27458.125, "end": 27468.165, "text": "The question for administration, we talked about those um sister documents uh aligning. Um does this timeline work for land use bylaw as well?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27469.865, "end": 27470.285, "text": "Yes, it does." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 27470.825, "end": 27471.045, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 27471.545, "end": 27473.765, "text": "So with that I will be supporting this. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27475.305, "end": 27476.665, "text": "All right, uh Councillor Wynos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27477.325, "end": 27479.305, "text": "Thanks. And I just want to make sure that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27480.085, "end": 27481.905, "text": "we're already in the draft, so that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27482.085, "end": 27492.245, "text": "a little challenging. Is but the expectation of admin is that you will do one on ones with counsel, lunch and learns, and actually have feedback sessions to edit the document. I think that's just one thing that's a little bit missed in this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27492.865, "end": 27496.785, "text": "If I may clarify through the chair, through mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27497.245, "end": 27540.025, "text": "We're not going to we yes we will do one-on-ones, yes we will hold lunch and learns or whatever other form that looks like that is helpful. We will not be making edits to the document until we have direction from council because as we heard today on the floor there were some different differing perspectives from different counselors. So we will we will hear from from counselors. I'll look for a way to to make sure we're sharing those updates of what we're hearing back to all of you. But I would ask council if you would like changes in the document that we receive that clear direction, please, from council, and that can come in January." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27544.085, "end": 27545.465, "text": "Okay. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27545.865, "end": 27554.565, "text": "so does that mean our January meeting will be where we sit down and hash out what you've heard and turn those into the directive for amendments before we go into public engagement?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27555.025, "end": 27557.885, "text": "Because I know this document, as this council's had the conversation today," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27558.185, "end": 27559.565, "text": "is not fit for engagement with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27559.965, "end": 27561.785, "text": "the community as we see" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27562.345, "end": 27563.325, "text": "the changes we want to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27563.605, "end": 27565.805, "text": "implement. This is kind of why I thought we were having the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27566.285, "end": 27569.425, "text": "the workshop behind the scenes today in camera to actually" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27569.625, "end": 27572.985, "text": "come out of it with direction for you to change to this document and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27573.445, "end": 27575.045, "text": "We didn't end up doing that today. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27575.685, "end": 27576.065, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27576.445, "end": 27579.665, "text": "is there a possibility that we could put you on an agenda at IPC" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27580.385, "end": 27581.765, "text": "and create craft" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27582.045, "end": 27582.345, "text": "like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27584.065, "end": 27585.745, "text": "after you've had say one on ones," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27586.165, "end": 27587.485, "text": "have an IPC item" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27587.905, "end": 27591.465, "text": "and then write some directive for the policy change of the document" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27591.625, "end": 27593.325, "text": "before you report back on that date?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27595.525, "end": 27597.065, "text": "Or will we have to craft another" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27597.065, "end": 27598.565, "text": "That is up to the will of council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27599.685, "end": 27601.505, "text": "but do I have to do oh well" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27602.125, "end": 27602.785, "text": "an MAO." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27603.125, "end": 27604.885, "text": "Ms. Davies Murphy would like to offer something." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 27605.785, "end": 27610.225, "text": "I wonder if through the engagement we could produce a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 27611.425, "end": 27616.045, "text": "essentially a what we heard report that demonstrates where there's alignment and where there's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 27616.565, "end": 27618.505, "text": "um disagreement, if you will." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 27618.965, "end": 27619.745, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 27620.625, "end": 27624.285, "text": "use that as our jumping off point for the conversation" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27625.205, "end": 27625.565, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 27626.265, "end": 27627.045, "text": "in January." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 27627.505, "end": 27632.105, "text": "But we would do that engagement. I think the difficulty is we can't take individual direction for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27632.105, "end": 27636.745, "text": "That's that's why today was supposed to be the like let's hash it out and shape this document." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27637.305, "end": 27637.865, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27638.765, "end": 27643.285, "text": "I actually see this direction as almost a continuation of today. We're gonna" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27643.885, "end": 27654.605, "text": "I I know, Madam Clerk, this is not the terminology, but kind of pause this discussion today, go ahead and have those one on ones, and then come back and get to where we were hoping to get to today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27655.145, "end": 27656.185, "text": "But just in January." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27657.785, "end": 27660.405, "text": "okay. And because it's a report back" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27661.845, "end": 27665.285, "text": "by, we can always have you come sooner if there is something." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27673.645, "end": 27681.685, "text": "Knowing what council has in front of them with budget in November, I think that's why, and maybe Councillor Pantozopoulos can speak to the timing of January." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27681.765, "end": 27686.065, "text": "No, I I understand the timing of January, but I'm just thinking like if we've done one on ones," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27686.525, "end": 27690.645, "text": "the more we can start shaping the document, the more successful we will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27691.485, "end": 27696.465, "text": "be able to find where we're aligned or dis in disagreement at January. I don't wanna" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27696.885, "end": 27698.545, "text": "restart the conversation from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27698.885, "end": 27700.645, "text": "this starting point because I know we will." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27701.045, "end": 27703.085, "text": "live an insanity loop and do it all over again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27703.705, "end": 27705.905, "text": "Um and that's where I'm challenged with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27706.825, "end": 27708.925, "text": "how do we shape like maybe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27709.545, "end": 27709.845, "text": "okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 27710.605, "end": 27711.905, "text": "Uh ponder something, thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27713.225, "end": 27718.045, "text": "I'm gonna attempt I'm gonna insert myself into the queue here and uh attempt to to square this. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27718.385, "end": 27723.185, "text": "I think if I'm hearing you, Councillor Wynus, uh and if I'm hearing you correctly, I agree." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27723.545, "end": 27732.085, "text": "I I believe that this perhaps needs some direction to collect some of the feedback and come forward with a maybe a suite of amendments or amendment package that reflects the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27732.865, "end": 27733.385, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27734.105, "end": 27736.905, "text": "The what was heard from the council members." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27737.185, "end": 27739.345, "text": "I'd like to have this back in our hands" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27739.745, "end": 27747.725, "text": "uh by January, but perhaps with a suite of amendments that could be made that reflect what those conversations were with the the 15 of us. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27748.145, "end": 27750.905, "text": "it'll be somewhat challenging for administration to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27751.705, "end": 27754.745, "text": "put together a set that would reflect" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27755.485, "end": 27774.645, "text": "the uh unanimity amongst us, but perhaps if they're keeping a tally where you know eight of us, ten of us come up with the same theme that you know that's relatively straightforward for us to consider and potentially adopt at that time. I I worry a bit about us losing momentum. Do you do you have thoughts uh on that, uh Jim Hamilton?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27775.105, "end": 27794.345, "text": "Yes, Mayor, perhaps we were just talking. Perhaps we could do, as was suggested, a a what we heard report, and yes, we could flush out if all of you are in agreement on X. We could let you know if there was a difference of opinion on Y. And perhaps what we could bring that to an earlier council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27795.145, "end": 27799.305, "text": "Or even just as a briefing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27800.725, "end": 27804.945, "text": "And then that would prepare you for the January conversation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27805.685, "end": 27808.465, "text": "It it'd be great in that January conversation if we can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27808.725, "end": 27816.865, "text": "sort of level set and s kind of get past what may be the unanimity uh and then we can really hash out what might be the more contentious pieces." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27816.965, "end": 27821.625, "text": "I apologize and maybe I misunderstood. We'd be we'd be happy to bring something to that January" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27821.625, "end": 27821.845, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27821.845, "end": 27826.165, "text": "council with what we heard. I was thinking you were wanting it earlier." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27826.965, "end": 27833.165, "text": "Uh no I th I think January at the latest. It kinda makes sense for air traffic control, at least from my perspective. I think you're right with budgets. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27833.625, "end": 27835.305, "text": "But um it would be good for the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27835.745, "end": 27842.785, "text": "the specificity in that what we heard report to be relatively straightforward for us to take that language more or less copy paste and place it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27842.985, "end": 27845.425, "text": "in front of the meeting and maybe it's a series of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27846.365, "end": 27855.125, "text": "I'm thinking maybe five to ten thematic amendments that you have some hand in in helping shape so that the intent is clear and we have the ability to debate those." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27855.505, "end": 27861.225, "text": "Absolutely. If there is clarity, we will recommend the exact change, you know, specific changes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27861.605, "end": 27863.885, "text": "So based on this direction, do you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27864.305, "end": 27867.505, "text": "do you need a further amendment to establish what we heard or?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27869.325, "end": 27872.325, "text": "We have it. We we will do as we just discussed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27872.465, "end": 27882.385, "text": "It so just to be clear to make sure that I'm I'm happy to vote for this, uh we'll be you'll be engaging in those sessions with each of the individual members of council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27882.685, "end": 27886.625, "text": "You'll be hearing from us which what we think works, what doesn't work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27887.005, "end": 27893.225, "text": "And ideally you'll be performing a bit of a tally on certain trends, if certain topics come up that are either" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27893.465, "end": 27895.225, "text": "negative or need to be changed, then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27895.765, "end": 27902.085, "text": "you know if it hits a certain threshold, you'll have we'll have the ability to relatively easily make those adjustments at that January meeting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 27903.625, "end": 27904.165, "text": "Yes, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 27904.325, "end": 27905.005, "text": "Okay, great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27906.605, "end": 27925.145, "text": "Uh to further just debate it, I want to say thanks, uh, Councillor Wynus for leaning in so heavily in the conversation. Thank you, Councillor Panasopoulos, for bringing forward the amendment. Thank you just generally to the team and uh our excellent consultants on this as well. I think you've really earned your keep. Uh this is really complicated, uh complex stuff." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27925.445, "end": 27931.245, "text": "Uh we're we're moving uh million miles an hour on so many different uh pieces here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27931.665, "end": 27939.125, "text": "Uh I think what's missing is uh really what could inform our 10 year capital plan. It would be great for us to have that 50 year vision, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27939.425, "end": 27945.105, "text": "Ideally, I'd like to have a little bit more uh urgency in terms of what capital infrastructure uh spends need to be made" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27945.605, "end": 27950.365, "text": "uh for us to be able to make those priorities to to bring this plan to life uh ultimately. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27950.985, "end": 27953.905, "text": "over to uh Councillor Yelly or Kelly rather for uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 27955.845, "end": 27956.625, "text": "That was unfortunate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 27956.645, "end": 27999.765, "text": "Am I supposed to yell my question now? Is that what I'm supposed to do? No, I think that uh I had two questions, and I think both may have been addressed within the last minute here. Uh uh first one was uh just through clerks, I was at a question about uh and the remaining recommendations to be renumbered, because of course we're replacing one to three with this with this amendment. Um uh and uh clerks let me know that there will be uh the uh confidential what would have been number four will now be number two. So I uh uh just to hold that confidential. So I I appreciate that clarity. And then my second bit was just uh exactly what we were talking about that Councillor Wein has brought forward because I want to make sure that while we are giving ourselves some more time through this amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 28000.425, "end": 28080.945, "text": "I don't want to slow down. I want to move forward in terms of this and continue make sure that over the next few months, despite the fact that we are going to be debating a four-year budget, that we are making some progress. And by the time we get to January, my expectation at least would be that we as council will feel comfortable approving the original recommendation that we got here today. So for me, I'm I'm happy to support this only because I think that as we heard here today, there's a lot of questions still that rightfully need to be answered just because we're a new council. We were not privy to the previous version of this document. That being said, I really applaud the administration for bringing forward a version of this that is much simpler than the previous one. My vote against the previous amendment was simply because that previous one had so much redundancy in it. It uh uh it was far too complex and trying to do far too many things that LAPs rightfully should be doing, etc. So I I I am supportive of the work that you've done here in getting it down. So I think it's 96 pages. That's great, but I still have a lot of questions about some of the things there. And this format in this in the chamber like this is not the best way to be able to do this. So um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 28081.345, "end": 28087.105, "text": "My question I guess that I have at this point, and I think it was maybe addressed through with there with the mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 28088.385, "end": 28129.945, "text": "But I want to make sure that like what we're going to see in advance of January is a suite of potential amendments, things that come coming from counselors, so that we can actually go through them one by one to uh uh whether it be in a uh a more informal session or whatever it is, just to make sure that we're moving forward and so that we have an updated version of this document coming down the road. Uh because I don't want to lose anything that we managed to do here today, and then everything that I think that we have in lunch and learn some one on ones. Um I don't think I need a response from you. Well, I will maybe I will ask, just like, yes, indeed, we will get some information far in advance here, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28133.045, "end": 28144.885, "text": "We will be reaching out and having one-on-ones with you. We'll be having lunch and learns, and I will hold you to the fact that you want to keep that momentum going. We will work on the what we heard report as soon as we can." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28149.405, "end": 28153.405, "text": "And I'm being directed to read an email." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28156.645, "end": 28159.265, "text": "Okay. And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28159.745, "end": 28171.525, "text": "lost my train of thought. Um and we will prepare draft policy amendments for you to uh consider in January and give us direction on in January." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28172.325, "end": 28181.745, "text": "A reminder to council January again will not be a decision on the Calgary plan. It will simply be hey administration, please include these" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28181.885, "end": 28198.865, "text": "different amendments. Go and engage on it and come back for a public hearing of council, whereby you'll hear from the public, you'll hear about whether the public enjoys, likes, or dislikes the new amendments or not, and the other policies, and you'll make your decision at a public hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 28199.985, "end": 28208.965, "text": "That all matches my understanding. So thank you very much. I appreciate that. And if we don't need an amendment to do that, we're all in agreement that that's what we're talking about here. I'm happy to support this. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28209.325, "end": 28210.245, "text": "Uh Councillor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28211.765, "end": 28244.265, "text": "Yeah, no, I think we sh need to give administration direction. Um and I think Councillor Wynus uh articulated it quite well. It's a very simple amendment. I sent it to clerks. Hopefully it satisfies what she was looking for. I also was struggling with this because I wanted to give administration direction today based on what was said around the table. And I know that everyone took a bunch of notes. They had things to say specifically, things they wanted to address. I think it would be prudent for us, uh maybe actually necessary or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28244.745, "end": 28252.585, "text": "uh in good governance to actually give direction to administration to actually undertake specific action." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28253.265, "end": 28260.565, "text": "To that point, I've suggested an amendment to this amendment, which is just to add those words into it, which is to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28261.305, "end": 28261.905, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28263.425, "end": 28264.605, "text": "how did I how did I put it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28264.945, "end": 28267.365, "text": "I believe it was include a what we heard report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28267.365, "end": 28278.865, "text": "What we heard report following engagement with council members, because that's the intent, right? This to do one on ones with council members and to give that direction for then to then bring back that what we heard report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28279.205, "end": 28282.605, "text": "Without making assumptions that they will, this is saying." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28283.045, "end": 28287.465, "text": "Please do this or and bring that report back so that we have a starting point." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28287.805, "end": 28292.745, "text": "And and then maybe they can consolidate some of those findings and say here's where council was aligned," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28293.025, "end": 28295.645, "text": "here's where they weren't aligned as part of what we heard report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28296.085, "end": 28299.385, "text": "Um but it's still gonna be up to council to make a decision on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28299.545, "end": 28300.105, "text": "on what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28300.345, "end": 28301.625, "text": "changes, if any," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28301.965, "end": 28304.485, "text": "um are gonna come out of all that that process. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28304.785, "end": 28307.065, "text": "I'm suggesting that. I think it fixes it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28307.805, "end": 28309.605, "text": "I hope you can support it. I can support." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28309.805, "end": 28316.145, "text": "I can support it with this. I'm not sure I could have supported it the way it was before because it didn't provide direction." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28316.605, "end": 28320.645, "text": "I wanted us to provide direction to administration today. I think this does that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28322.665, "end": 28330.425, "text": "Okay. I believe it's to insert the words after Calgary plan, so direct administration to return with the draft Calgary plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28330.745, "end": 28332.405, "text": "And then the words would be inserted," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28332.665, "end": 28336.205, "text": "including a what we heard report from engagement with council members," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28336.965, "end": 28339.605, "text": "and then directly to council in 2027. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28340.125, "end": 28342.665, "text": "I'll give uh our clerk steam a moment to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28343.125, "end": 28343.765, "text": "get that up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28344.445, "end": 28347.285, "text": "I believe that's seconded by Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28348.165, "end": 28354.585, "text": "Now the the amendment to the amendment is on the table. Uh Councillor Atkinson, are you on the amendment or the amendment to the amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28355.485, "end": 28355.745, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28356.645, "end": 28362.365, "text": "I think this is relatively straightforward. Uh uh City Administration says they're they're gonna be doing it, so let's uh jump to the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28363.745, "end": 28365.665, "text": "Okay. Mm Mr. Clerk, let's engage the boat." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 28367.905, "end": 28375.045, "text": "Mayor, just before you engage the vote, um, we had characterized Councillor Chabot's amendment to the amendment as a new recommendation" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 28375.425, "end": 28378.665, "text": "directing administration to include a what we heard report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 28378.965, "end": 28379.365, "text": "So just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 28380.065, "end": 28381.365, "text": "the intent is the same." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 28381.705, "end": 28385.745, "text": "Um I just heard you say to include the words following Calgary plan. Is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28385.745, "end": 28389.465, "text": "Then you would have to the way that you have it there, you'd probably have to strike after" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28389.945, "end": 28391.585, "text": "quote Calgary plan" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28392.485, "end": 28393.085, "text": "uh quote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28394.765, "end": 28399.005, "text": "Because it was intent was just to insert those words after Calgary plan as it exists in the previous." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 28399.005, "end": 28402.245, "text": "we'll just need a minute um to redraft that prior to launching the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28402.325, "end": 28402.865, "text": "Okay, no problem." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 28402.545, "end": 28402.925, "text": "No problem." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28421.865, "end": 28426.045, "text": "If that's the revised one, I think we still have to delete the last three words." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28429.325, "end": 28431.305, "text": "Because it's not after the Calgary plan. It's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28433.025, "end": 28436.405, "text": "it was intended to be after the words Calgary plan and the initial recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28438.305, "end": 28439.045, "text": "Yeah, Councillor Schubel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28440.345, "end": 28443.005, "text": "Yes, sorry, maybe I wasn't clear in my proposal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28443.005, "end": 28443.225, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28448.605, "end": 28449.425, "text": "I think this is good now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28449.605, "end": 28451.045, "text": "The the way that it's up there on the screen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28456.205, "end": 28459.685, "text": "Alright, uh, I think that captures the intent here. I think we're uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28459.885, "end": 28462.925, "text": "Councillor Shabot, if you're comfortable with how that's been transcribed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28464.005, "end": 28468.065, "text": "It's more the more important part is whether administration" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28468.545, "end": 28471.625, "text": "um understands what the intent of this motion is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28472.185, "end": 28474.285, "text": "I already committed to doing it, so yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28474.485, "end": 28475.645, "text": "So you're good with that. All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28475.645, "end": 28478.285, "text": "Yeah, they're they're committed. Let's uh engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28479.865, "end": 28481.065, "text": "Nope. We're not ready." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28481.805, "end": 28482.045, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28483.245, "end": 28487.025, "text": "And and if then in that case, I will pontificate a little bit more." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28487.025, "end": 28488.465, "text": "You have an opportunity to close. Go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28488.665, "end": 28497.885, "text": "Um so in in the past I I remember having all kinds of debates in council and and through the discussion I had understood that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28498.185, "end": 28504.925, "text": "that we had given administration specific direction on on what it was that we wanted to do. And when the minutes came out," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28505.125, "end": 28507.285, "text": "I was like, this isn't what we voted on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28507.645, "end": 28508.805, "text": "And and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28509.025, "end": 28509.625, "text": "and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28509.765, "end": 28511.745, "text": "Councillor McKiver at the time, he said," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28512.385, "end": 28514.445, "text": "well, Councillor Shabot, I've got the video," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28514.925, "end": 28515.805, "text": "let's review it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28516.165, "end": 28517.205, "text": "And we reviewed it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28517.445, "end": 28520.965, "text": "And in fact, that was in fact a conversation that had taken place." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28521.585, "end": 28550.665, "text": "But as Councillor McKyver pointed out at the time, he says, however, Councillor Shabot or Alderman Chabot at the time, he says, if you look at the screen on what it was that was before us, you'll note that the motion that was before us says this. I get what you're saying about what the verbal communication and what you suspect the direction was. Ultimately, what council voted on was this wording. So that's not to be misdirecting administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28550.865, "end": 28555.805, "text": "I think it's always good to have the specific wording so that there's no confusion as to what ultimately" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28556.105, "end": 28557.825, "text": "the work is that's going to be undertaken. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28558.765, "end": 28559.525, "text": "appreciate your" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28559.825, "end": 28560.865, "text": "willing to commit to it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28561.285, "end": 28562.245, "text": "at GM Hallton." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28562.705, "end": 28564.565, "text": "Just want to make sure that we're clear on the direction." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28569.105, "end": 28570.845, "text": "Alright, Mr. Clerk, uh, how are we doing?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 28575.785, "end": 28576.565, "text": "Just about there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28588.645, "end": 28589.405, "text": "All right, perfect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28589.985, "end": 28590.425, "text": "Looking good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28594.445, "end": 28596.905, "text": "All right, uh, I think that captures uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28597.125, "end": 28598.225, "text": "Councillor Shabot's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28599.625, "end": 28602.365, "text": "Intent and it's the exact thing that was submitted. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28603.105, "end": 28604.585, "text": "uh based on that, let's engage the e-vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 28616.325, "end": 28617.625, "text": "Councillor Ward, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 28619.145, "end": 28620.085, "text": "Councillor McLean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 28621.625, "end": 28623.265, "text": "Uh yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 28623.845, "end": 28624.745, "text": "and Mayor Fargas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28624.865, "end": 28625.205, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 28625.505, "end": 28626.425, "text": "Yeah, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28627.005, "end": 28628.345, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28631.185, "end": 28634.185, "text": "And that motion is carried 15 to 0 on uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28636.365, "end": 28639.885, "text": "a amendment to this amendment. Uh Councillor Johnson, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28646.445, "end": 28647.165, "text": "Councillor Johnson?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 28652.105, "end": 28652.685, "text": "You can go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28653.425, "end": 28658.005, "text": "Um, so sorry, yeah, my amendment to the amendment was just to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28658.265, "end": 28679.305, "text": "just be a little bit more granular and what to expect to come back from administration in January. Um, and for me, I think it'd be really important to see what administration can do on surveying um neighborhoods specifically and the impact of what this uh Calgary plan would have. Like I understand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28681.165, "end": 28691.145, "text": "To be honest, there's a lot of questions still that I don't have, and I I I would imagine a lot of one-on-one between myself and uh administration would probably resolve most of this, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28691.825, "end": 28705.165, "text": "I think for me this would be a good way for us to stretch our legs with what the KPMG survey of surveys came out with. Um because I'll be honest, I did this for six months last year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28705.605, "end": 28706.385, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28707.045, "end": 28712.945, "text": "I could imagine there's a lot of neighborhoods in Ward 14 wouldn't be necessarily happy with some of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28713.885, "end": 28719.105, "text": "terms and wordage inside the Calgary plan. So I I just think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28719.765, "end": 28726.425, "text": "I don't have well I g I could do it again, I guess, 30,000 homes, but if there's a way that uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28726.725, "end": 28737.565, "text": "administration could do their end of the engagement, um, and I think this would bring in a bit of that engagement I had asked about during my questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28738.345, "end": 28743.505, "text": "And that would be we'll see what engagement looks like on this side of the council meeting. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28745.265, "end": 28752.525, "text": "I don't know how to be more granular than that, other than if it's possible within administration's budget to do" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28752.845, "end": 28754.365, "text": "honestly, even like a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28755.085, "end": 28758.825, "text": "light survey or even if it's a single" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28759.705, "end": 28760.785, "text": "town hall or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28761.365, "end": 28785.965, "text": "Or even being a part of a town hall that Ward set up themselves. Um, but just to be a part of that, but then come up with a report of potentially the impacts, because I mean 600 meters from C train stations goes deep into a lot of neighborhoods, and I think those people would want to say and to be heard, right? There's there's listening, but then actually being heard are two different things. So um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28786.525, "end": 28791.885, "text": "does this make sense? Is there something the administration can do to ensure that people are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28792.585, "end": 28810.285, "text": "Actually talk to and actually listen to with honestly a survey. Like we talked to a thousand people in Ward 12, Ward 11, Ward 13, and 60% said they were okay with it, right? And I think that would go a long way for me making decisions going further." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28812.765, "end": 28818.345, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Johnson, through the chair. If I may, I might make some suggestions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28820.825, "end": 28829.925, "text": "I would probably suggest that we have our one-on-one conversations so that we can get to, as you said, most of this here and and clarify for each of you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28830.885, "end": 28884.405, "text": "We would want to do engagement after January as as per the motion. And at that point, we could determine what that engagement looks like for that final phase. I know Ms. Davies Murphy has asked the KPMG consultants to do a I'm going to say an audit, but it's like not a formal audit, but review what we've done so far with respect to engagement and how that aligns with their report and their recommendations. And so obviously any learnings from that we are going to incorporate in phase six anyway. So perhaps your amendment to the amendment is maybe a little bit premature right now, but could come in January in helping determine what that engagement looks like. That way we can discuss what are the options and budget around that as well between now and then." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28884.505, "end": 28890.545, "text": "My fear is that it says the final phase, and I was hoping to get that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28891.385, "end": 28895.825, "text": "assessment impact before the final phase because I feel the final phase is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28896.445, "end": 28903.445, "text": "the final phase. Like there's not much after the final phase. I mean, that's Charizard, like what's past that? Nothing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28903.445, "end": 28907.265, "text": "So the final phase means the phase before public hearing," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28907.865, "end": 28911.345, "text": "and that's where you're also going to hear from the public" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28912.045, "end": 28916.165, "text": "at the public hearing for this plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28917.605, "end": 28918.265, "text": "If you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28918.965, "end": 28925.625, "text": "are asking for another round of engagement, I will come back to council with some budget requests probably." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28926.645, "end": 28929.665, "text": "Can I put that in there to ask" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28930.265, "end": 28950.505, "text": "administration to come back with a budget request? I just want to make sure we get this right, right? This is gonna define a lot of what we do going forward. And the goal is to make it so the next council doesn't have to reverse this. So I would rather get it right, even if that means spending a little bit of money, but maybe it's just me that wants to ensure that uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28951.865, "end": 28954.905, "text": "I uh 30,000 people. I I just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28955.045, "end": 28957.905, "text": "you guys did your engagement. I just don't know if it was enough." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28958.425, "end": 28959.365, "text": "with this. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28960.025, "end": 28967.785, "text": "So fair comments. Given council wo would like to consider giving us different direction in January." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28968.145, "end": 28969.345, "text": "I'm not sure" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28970.945, "end": 28976.885, "text": "about the efficiency of engaging folks right now with surveys, et cetera, when" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28977.785, "end": 28982.925, "text": "the plan and the policies may change in January rather than doing it after January." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28985.245, "end": 28985.605, "text": "okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28987.005, "end": 28990.585, "text": "I'll refer to you guys for that. So I just wanted to put it out there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28991.985, "end": 28992.525, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 28993.645, "end": 28994.105, "text": "but you're saying" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 28994.105, "end": 28999.985, "text": "My suggestion is to recon reconsider your request and your ideas here in January. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 29000.185, "end": 29000.585, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 29001.085, "end": 29002.365, "text": "I will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 29003.325, "end": 29007.465, "text": "yep, I'll accept that. So I'll leave my amendment for January then. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29008.605, "end": 29016.885, "text": "Uh just for the record, Charizard can evolve into mega Charizard X. You need to go to the Stone Emporium and it's 100,000 Pokemon dollars. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29017.285, "end": 29018.525, "text": "uh just for the record, we'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 29019.445, "end": 29021.205, "text": "There's another phase after the final phase" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29021.205, "end": 29033.885, "text": "There is another book. Indeed, and this is uh this is absolutely I'm I'm picking up what you're throwing down, Councillor Johnston. Uh on uh the amendment to the amended amendment, uh Councillor Weinus, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 29034.645, "end": 29036.105, "text": "He pulled it so I don't need to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29036.105, "end": 29036.265, "text": "Oh," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 29036.265, "end": 29036.565, "text": "speak to it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29036.565, "end": 29038.305, "text": "sorry, you're not uh placing it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 29038.485, "end": 29043.125, "text": "No, it was just uh to speak to what Lannin was putting forward, but since he's not gonna place it, I d I don't need to speak to it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29043.125, "end": 29043.545, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29043.905, "end": 29046.265, "text": "Just want to make sure you're not placing that, Councillor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 29047.165, "end": 29047.985, "text": "not till January." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29048.465, "end": 29048.825, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 29049.045, "end": 29049.325, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29049.605, "end": 29052.905, "text": "Okay, so there's nothing uh in front of us here. Uh Councillor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29053.265, "end": 29055.745, "text": "Atkinson, then on the amended amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 29057.525, "end": 29068.905, "text": "Uh, I guess, yeah, my concern is just uh if we're doing tally style or whatever, do we lose some of the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 29071.605, "end": 29099.085, "text": "good stuff that is maybe suggested by one person and so that we don't have to just laundry list you with every good change or whatever? I don't want to have to say glacial erratics because I want that to just be taken care of by another Councillor and being sort of brought forward and hopefully unanimous because it's a good idea, and I don't have to necessarily go through every single thought and and put it forward just to add to a tally result. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 29099.465, "end": 29116.985, "text": "More so this idea of unanimity no matter the level, uh, so that so that we do also have potentially smaller ideas, um, good things, good potential changes brought forward that maybe are not necessarily said over and over and over again by counselors." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 29118.065, "end": 29128.985, "text": "So Councillor Atkinson, I think that's a fair comment and we would take all feedback and represent that in the what we heard report. I think what we're trying to address is where there's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 29129.145, "end": 29130.085, "text": "opposing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 29130.425, "end": 29131.125, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 29131.565, "end": 29131.885, "text": "That's great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 29131.885, "end": 29132.485, "text": "ideas" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 29132.485, "end": 29132.865, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 29132.865, "end": 29140.725, "text": "that we'd want to fairly represent that there's some tension that needs to be resolved, and we're seeking direction from council at that point." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 29140.765, "end": 29147.545, "text": "Totally fair. Just want to make sure that the smaller ones don't just get cut off because of a threshold of uh yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 29148.245, "end": 29149.225, "text": "Great. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29150.365, "end": 29152.145, "text": "Councillor Weinus on the amended amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29153.865, "end": 29158.105, "text": "Okay, uh anybody else on the amended amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29159.925, "end": 29164.905, "text": "Okay, back to Councillor Panasopoulos to close on the your amendment as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 29164.965, "end": 29180.325, "text": "Perfect. You know, I think we just witnessed the power that we're gonna see over the next four months. Thank you, Councillor Chabot. Thank you, Councillor Y Ness, saying, you know what, I liked it, but we need this to make sure that we get it approved. This is exactly what's happening. It was 15 0. That's exactly what we're gonna go over the next. It's gonna be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 29181.625, "end": 29188.125, "text": "What is it? Rock'em sok 'em, just like old uh Don Cherry used to do. But that's I'm excited about that. This was just a simple example of this makes it better." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 29188.525, "end": 29189.705, "text": "Thank you for putting that in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 29189.845, "end": 29200.505, "text": "And looking forward to the next six months. And I'll just close on Councillor Kelly. Don't want to slow down. Let's keep the momentum going. Calgarians expect it. Calgarians deserve it. And with that, Mr. Mayor, I'm closed. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29201.185, "end": 29205.065, "text": "All right, uh let's engage the e-vote, please, on this amendment as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 29216.705, "end": 29218.065, "text": "Councillor Ward, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 29223.985, "end": 29224.925, "text": "Councillor Johnson?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 29229.865, "end": 29230.705, "text": "Councillor McLean?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 29231.725, "end": 29232.145, "text": "Yes," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 29232.725, "end": 29233.585, "text": "And Mayor Fargus?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29234.325, "end": 29234.665, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 29234.845, "end": 29235.625, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29237.485, "end": 29239.045, "text": "All right, uh please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29240.805, "end": 29243.745, "text": "On that, the motion is carried 15 to 0. We're back" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29244.325, "end": 29247.465, "text": "on the uh amended main. Uh Councillor Wynus." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 29252.565, "end": 29254.465, "text": "I don't have an RTS you can check that one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29253.805, "end": 29253.905, "text": "Oh," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29254.785, "end": 29255.705, "text": "okay. I'll strike that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29256.465, "end": 29257.805, "text": "Sorry, I thought there were two separate ones." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29258.105, "end": 29263.525, "text": "Anyone else on uh the main motion here now as amended before I go to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29264.065, "end": 29265.625, "text": "Councillor Chabot to close on a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29265.825, "end": 29267.205, "text": "completely different motion than he moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29269.225, "end": 29275.205, "text": "I'll just repeat uh I think really good uh start to the work. Uh really appreciate the work that's been done. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29275.745, "end": 29281.025, "text": "um for all of us, I think we we probably gotta get used to that. A lot of work will get started" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29281.405, "end": 29285.025, "text": "before we arrived here in our current roles. Uh we'll steward it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29285.345, "end": 29291.925, "text": "A lot of work won't complete until uh we're probably long gone in our roles, but I think this is one of those examples of things we'll be able to get." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29292.365, "end": 29295.505, "text": "Done well and in a great spot before we finish here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29296.145, "end": 29306.565, "text": "So again, just a giant shout out to the staff who've been involved in this. There's a lot of fine tuning that we need to do to reflect uh what we heard during the course of the campaign, what we're gonna hear in real time from Calgaryans. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29307.105, "end": 29310.585, "text": "uh it's a very exciting piece of work to be involved in because this is the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29310.785, "end": 29314.545, "text": "the plan that'll steward perhaps the two millonth Calgary and perhaps even the three month. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29314.705, "end": 29316.705, "text": "again, just big kudos to the team and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29316.985, "end": 29319.185, "text": "everyone involved in in getting us to this park." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29319.885, "end": 29323.965, "text": "Uh back to uh Councillor Chabot to close on uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29324.345, "end": 29325.385, "text": "the main motion as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29326.145, "end": 29326.885, "text": "Yeah. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29327.105, "end": 29328.165, "text": "first I wanna" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29328.985, "end": 29334.305, "text": "I want to uh thank administration for the work that they put into this. It's couldn't have been easy to consolidate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29334.645, "end": 29338.245, "text": "the municipal development plan uh with the Calgary Transportation Plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29338.825, "end": 29341.985, "text": "I think the proposal they they put before us was a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29342.405, "end": 29346.045, "text": "very solid undertaking in regards to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29346.465, "end": 29348.145, "text": "making that consolidation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29348.665, "end": 29351.505, "text": "I don't know that necessarily this council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29351.885, "end": 29352.865, "text": "is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29353.145, "end": 29354.705, "text": "directly aligned with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29355.185, "end": 29360.505, "text": "the previous councils that had that had adopted the previous MDPs and CTPs," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29360.845, "end": 29363.625, "text": "which is why I think this work is critical to make sure" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29363.845, "end": 29366.005, "text": "that this becomes this council's direction." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29366.325, "end": 29368.785, "text": "Uh hopefully it's it's a it's a direction that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29369.225, "end": 29374.325, "text": "can be followed uh uh with subsequent councils and that it can last for a long time, maybe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29374.605, "end": 29375.905, "text": "well into the future. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29376.065, "end": 29380.405, "text": "I don't I don't imagine that it will last forever. I mean things change." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29380.765, "end": 29383.665, "text": "Uh th uh cities will continue to evolve and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29383.985, "end": 29386.465, "text": "there's a high likelihood that sometime in the in the future" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29386.885, "end": 29391.205, "text": "um whatever we come up with will also be amended by future councils. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29391.465, "end": 29393.605, "text": "I think this is uh this is a good uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29394.045, "end": 29396.705, "text": "Position to be taking with this plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29397.105, "end": 29400.825, "text": "It has generated some additional work from my perspective because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29400.985, "end": 29402.785, "text": "I did have a quick review of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29403.125, "end": 29405.025, "text": "previous amendment to the MDP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29405.465, "end": 29407.165, "text": "Obviously, it took a lot of time" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29407.565, "end": 29410.405, "text": "going over the original MDP being part of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29410.805, "end": 29413.105, "text": "Imagine Calgary and Planet. So I've" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29413.785, "end": 29417.985, "text": "I've had a chance to review many of these documents several times over the years. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29418.625, "end": 29423.205, "text": "this is going to give me the opportunity to review it once again just to refamiliarize myself with." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29423.565, "end": 29424.985, "text": "what the original intent was and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29425.385, "end": 29427.085, "text": "and how we can move forward based on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29427.525, "end": 29431.085, "text": "on how things have changed over time. And I've been around to witness it. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29431.645, "end": 29433.805, "text": "I know firsthand how things have changed. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29434.225, "end": 29438.445, "text": "happy to support this recommendation. Looking forward to further work and engagement with my colleagues" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29438.785, "end": 29441.825, "text": "on on what the best plan is going to be on a go forward basis" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29442.185, "end": 29443.565, "text": "with the direction from this council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29443.945, "end": 29444.385, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29445.425, "end": 29447.885, "text": "All right, let's engage the e-vote on the amended main" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29449.705, "end": 29450.025, "text": "motion. Please" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 29461.865, "end": 29463.225, "text": "Councillor McLean, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 29464.025, "end": 29464.365, "text": "yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 29465.145, "end": 29465.985, "text": "Mayor Fargus?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29466.225, "end": 29466.545, "text": "yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 29467.165, "end": 29468.025, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29468.845, "end": 29470.445, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29473.605, "end": 29477.785, "text": "All right. The uh motion is carried 13 to 2 with councillors Johnston and Ward" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29478.425, "end": 29482.865, "text": "opposed. Uh I don't think there's any other business here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29485.145, "end": 29487.805, "text": "Uh any administrative inquiries, uh, Mr." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29488.085, "end": 29488.445, "text": "Clerk?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 29491.225, "end": 29491.485, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29492.525, "end": 29493.965, "text": "Uh can I get a motion to adjourn?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29494.405, "end": 29497.085, "text": "Moved by Councillor Keeler. I've never seen that hand go up so fast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29499.245, "end": 29503.145, "text": "All right, that's been moved by Councillor Kelly, seconded by Councillor Clark. Uh all in favor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29503.925, "end": 29504.785, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 29505.145, "end": 29506.965, "text": "Seeing none, that is carried. Great day's work." } ], "full_text": "Alright, welcome to Calgary City Council. I gotta mute myself? Oh boy. Alright, rookie mistake. There's the first time for everything. Uh Mr. Clerk, please call the roll. Uh Councillor Wart, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Chabot, Present. Councillor Clark, Present. Councillor Dollywall, Councillor Jameson, Present. Councillor Johnston, Councillor Kelly, Present. Councillor McLean, Here. Councillor Pendezopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, President, Mayor Farkas, Here. Oki, Umbawastish, Danita, Tanche. Indigenous peoples have their own names for this area that have been in use long before settlers named this place Calgary. In the Blackfoot language, it's called Mukinstus. The Iskanakotawastabi First Nations refer to this place as Wichispa Oyade. And the people of the Sotina Nation call it Gutas. The Metis call the Calgary area Otasquini. We appreciate and acknowledge that we are gathered on the ancestral and traditional territory of the Blackfoot Nations of the Sigzika, Pikani, and Kainai First Nations, the Eska Nakota Wikistabi First Nations, comprised of the Chinniki, Berespaw, and Goodstone First Nations, and the Satina First Nation. The city of Calgary is also homeland to the historic Northwest Metis. And to the Tibisawan Metis Government, Metis Nation Battle River Territory, Nose Hill, Metis District 5, and Elbo, Metis District 6. We acknowledge and give gratitude to the many First Nations, Metis, and Inuit, who live here and call Calgary home. Before we get into the agenda, I'm gonna go first to uh Councillor Shabot, uh rather Deputy Mayor Shabot to recognize Aboriginal Awareness Week Calgary and Indigenous Peoples Day. No, I I'm actually my done my deputy mayor duties, but I've Oh my god, it's it's Deputy Mayor Tigers. Co you're back to Councillor, Councillor Shibot. that's just Councillor. Oh my god, the days are long but the the years are short, my friend. That's all good. Thanks. Um I I'm pleased to um make this um the remarks on behalf of Aboriginal Awareness Week, uh, Calgary and Indigenous People's Day. June is National Indigenous History Month, a time to honor Indigenous people who have lived on this land for thousands of years and who enriched the fabric of our city with vibrance and vitality. While we strive to celebrate and honor the nations and peoples of this place year-round, Aboriginal Awareness Week Calgary is an opportunity to truly celebrate the strength, resilience, and beauty of Indigenous cultures and to recognize the incredible individuals and communities who continue to lead, inspire, and shape a stronger future for all. Celebrated from June 15th to the 21st, Aboriginal Awareness Week Calgary is a volunteer based, community led initiative focused on creating spaces for open sharing and learning. Our collective journey of truth and reconciliation involves work that is often heavy and at times uncomfortable. The path to better relationships is built through friendship. This week I encourage you to take advantage of the opportunity to meet members of Indigenous communities, build new connections, and attend events across the city such as the Powwow on National Indigenous Peoples Day. Celebrated each year on June the 21st, National Indigenous Peoples Day. Is a particularly special opportunity to learn from and about the diverse cultures, voices, and experiences of First Nations, Inuit, and Metis people in Calgary and across the country. I'm also pleased to extend an invitation to the Calgary Aboriginal Urban Affairs Committee Awards on Thursday, June 18th at noon, right here in the atrium, where we will honor those who have shown leadership in building relationships between indigenous and non Indigenous communities. Thank you. Thank you, uh Councillor Shabon. Uh next I have the privilege to recognize Neighbor Day. So colleagues especially uh new incoming City Councillors, I think this is pretty much the Super Bowl for all of you. I don't know what your schedules look like, but I think we we got a number of amazing stops, and I'll uh in advance I'll try to share uh my calendar as well. So if I have the opportunity to meet up with you guys uh crisscrossing the city, uh we'll have the the chance to do so. And uh for many Calgarians uh or rather Saturday, June 20th, I should explain, is Neighbor Day. And for many Calgarians, Neighbor Day is every day because our sense of community, our love for our city is a defining feature of this amazing place. But this annual celebration that truly shows off the best of our city has been held on the third Saturday in June since 2014, and it recognizes the strength, togetherness, and resiliency we saw in Calgary following the devastating floods of 2013. Since then, the annual festivities have become an important tradition, with communities hosting a wide range of activities for all ages: block parties, kids' arts and crafts, backyard barbecues, friendly sports games, and community cleanups. Simply put, good things happen when you connect with your neighbors. So whether through a friendly chat or a helping hand, small connections help build stronger communities, stronger partnerships, and stronger friendships for a stronger Calgary. And that is truly the cornerstone of our city. That's what makes our place so great. And once neighborhoods thrive, our city thrives. So whatever way you choose to celebrate Neighbor Day, take the opportunity to showcase the best part of being a Calgarian, showing kindness to your neighbors, celebrating our communities, and sharing the joy we have by being the greatest city in the world. So mark your calendar for June 20th, 2026, and celebrate Neighbor Day with your community. Whether that's in Forest Lawn or Evergreen, Oak Ridge or Saddle Ridge, Ranchlands or Mahogany, there's so many places that make the city great, and it's time for all of them to celebrate their best parts the people who live in them. So for more information about these events, visit calgary.ca slash neighborday. Alright, first up, uh we'll go for question period to Councillor Shabot, please. Thank you, Worship. I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to ask administration in advance. But we just recently got a briefing note specifically on the water main and how it was on on time. But what I didn't see in the briefing note, maybe I missed it, is where we fall with regards to how much we had budgeted for that project and whether or not it's still falling in line with what the projected budget is was going to be to actually make that replacement. Uh thanks for the question. So yeah, happy to uh announce uh yesterday we did a press presser sent to council a briefing uh with respect to the Bears Poss Health Feeder Maine and the status of that project. It is on schedule uh to be complete in December of this year, operational this year. Uh we ran over yesterday uh the project's divided into two parts stage A, which goes from this Shaganapi pump station to SARS C Trail, and then stage B, which goes from uh SARS C Trail to 89th. Stage A is now 50% done. Happy to say that. It's broken into five micro tunneling segments. Two of those segments are complete. Two of them are about halfway done. And the fifth one actually launched yesterday as we were out there. And so really excited that that's going underway. Stage B, the steel pipe going in the ground along 34th Avenue. That work is starting this week. I was out there yesterday. Crews are setting up fencing and preparing for that work. And so really happy that everything is on track. Obviously, we always let Calgarians know. The existing pipe is terminally ill. It can break at any time. If it does break, we will have to go into water restrictions at that point in time. And so we are tracking that we're ready, should it break, that we will go fix it and put it back into service. Your question specifically with respect to budget, happy to say that we are on budget on this project. The budget that council approved earlier this year. So we are tracking on budget, on schedule. We have a great safety record out there and delivering great quality. And just have to say thank you to the uh crews that are doing that work and to the community, especially those in uh Parkdale, Montgomery and Boweness, for putting up uh with the significant disruption that's going on right now. Yeah, thank you. Thanks for that. Like I said, um I heard right through the briefing note, I did see that we were on time, on schedule. It was the question was more financial more than anything, and happy happy to hear that that we're actually meeting sort of the targeted budget for it. Thanks. Alright, uh let's move to the confirmation of the agenda. Can I please have a mover for that? Or we can go home. Just kidding. Alright, that's been moved by uh Councillor Shabot, second by uh Councillor Atkinson. That is on the table. Any uh further debate on the Agenda. Okay, seeing none, uh Mr. Clerk, let's engage the e-vote, please. Councillor Pandasopoulos, Yes. Councillor Clark, Yes. Councillor Dollywall, Councillor Shabot, Yes. Mayor Farkas, Yes. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. All right. That motion is carried. 15 to 0. Uh colleagues, a uh procedural motion was prepared for us at administration's recommendation, and it was to suspend the procedure bylaw to allow for no limit for questions of clarification. Uh given the the meaty topic here it may make more sense to allow for a bit more free-ranging discussion. Uh did anyone want to uh make this motion to suspend the procedure by law? Okay. Moved by Councillor Penizopoulos, seconded by Councillor Kelly. Uh it's up on the screen there. Uh any debate on this, colleagues? Okay. Seeing none, uh, let's engage the e vote, please, Mr. Clerk. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Yes. Councillor Shabot? Yes. Councillor McLean? Yes. Mayor Farkas? I yes. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 12 to 3 with councillors Ward, Johnston, and Dallywell opposed. All right, so we're up to item 5.1, the Calgary Plan, a strategic conversation. Is there an opening administration presentation? Yes, there is. I think colleagues we would benefit from the presentation. Okay. Good morning, Mayor and Council. Welcome to today's strategic session of Council. I'm here with my colleagues, Director of City and Regional Planning, Kathy Davies Murphy, and Andrew Palmier, Principal at O2 Planning and Design. He's our lead consultant on the City Building program. So while the three of us are the ones presenting to you today, I wish to acknowledge the City Building team members, consultants, and our colleagues across the corporation who have been and are involved in this program. Thank you to all the team. The Draft Calgary Plan, a modernized version of our 2009 Municipal Development Plan, was crafted with the voices and perspectives of 48,000 Calgarians and 180 different organizations and their members through five phases of engagement. And I'd like to acknowledge and thank everyone who has participated and contributed to shaping the policies of this plan. Calgarians, this is your plan. Today is our first opportunity to present to and discuss with council, any council, on the city building program. So I wish to thank you, Council, for your attention today, your focus, your time, and your energy on today's discussion. Because today is all about engaging with you. It's your day to let us know your thoughts, your concerns, and your perspectives. Administration is here today to listen, to learn, and to answer any of your questions. What we want to know is are we on the right path? And if not, what needs course correction? Today's strategic session is not designed as a typical presentation, hence the procedure bylaw suspension. We have designed the format as best as we can in this forum to be a conversation and provide you the opportunity for that dialogue. So, Council, I do want to bring your attention to the run of the show. And Madam Clerk, were handouts sent out yet? Okay. So you should each have a package or it's coming to you with a run of the show. Essentially, we will be providing an opening presentation. Question and answer can follow that, kind of on the overview of the Calgary Plan. And then Kathy and Andrew will get into the individual themes. We have four themes today housing and mobility, infrastructure, nature parks and recreation, and economy in downtown. And again, each theme will have a brief presentation followed by question and answer on that topic. And we we've done it this way to kind of keep the conversation focused on a specific topic. The package also includes 10 topic cards, which speak to 10 topics within the draft Calgary Plan and what we heard most from Calgarians around those topics. These 10 topics have been grouped into the four themes that we're talking to you today about. Next slide, please. Council, the recommendations before you today are to accept the report, direct us to conduct a six phase of engagement, and then bring the Calgary plan to a public hearing of Council in the new year. We are not here to make a decision today on the Calgary Plan. The Calgary Plan is a statutory document. It must and needs a public hearing, and that will be when we eventually come back. However, as per the purpose of today, we want to know if we're on the correct path. So you may have alternate recommendations for us. We're happy to help you craft those and receive that direction if we are not on the right path. Next slide, please. Today's session is responding to both a notice of motion and a motion arising. So between the report and the presentation before you, we provide a summary of engagement to date, how that engagement feedback has been incorporated into the Calgary plan, along with examples of how these plans will inform and enable growth, development, and mobility decisions. As per the motion arising, the first theme that we're focusing on is housing focused, identifying where and how additional housing can be supported, and clarifying the roles of nodes, corridors, transit areas, and brownfield sites in accommodating growth. Again, Council, today is your opportunity to dig into the Calgary Plan, ask us questions, seek clarity, and ensure that this plan reflects your vision for Calgary. Next slide, please. So the current municipal development plan guides our growth and decisions. It was approved in 2009, over 17 years ago. So maybe take a moment, just close your eyes for this next paragraph that I read to you. 17 years ago, Calgary was a very different place. In 2009, our population was just over 1 million people. iPhones barely existed. People were still using MySpace. Our skyline looked very different. The bow, the telescope, and the Brook and Brookfield place were not built. Stony Trail Ring Road was not constructed. Netflix was not in Canada yet. And Blockbuster was still around. So no one had even heard of an AI data center. Alright, you're welcome to open your eyes now. So fast forward to today. We're talking about a city that has almost doubled in size. Calgary has led major Canadian cities in population growth over the last four years. This pace and volume of growth was unanticipated by the 2009 Municipal Development Plan. Today's draft Calgary Plan discussion is an invitation for council to imagine what Calgary can become in the next 30 years. And to recognize the role that each of us play as council, as city builders, as leaders, community, developers, neighbors, stewards of a city, prepared to welcome its two millionth resident and ultimately on its way for the three millionth. This future will not and should not happen by accident. It will be shaped by policy choices. So again, our ask of you today is to provide us with clear direction so that we can go ahead and finalize the Calgary plan, so that Calgary can move forward with confidence, purpose, and a collective commitment to the next generation. And with that, I'll turn it over to my colleagues to get into the meat of the presentation. Thank you, Council. Next slide, please. The Calgary Plan matters because Calgary is rapidly growing and will continue to attract people from across Canada and the world. There have been several small scale amendments since the Municipal Development Plan came into force in 2009, and the work on the Calgary Plan reflects a necessitated full review and update to make sure land use and mobility policies are serving Calgarians' needs. So, why do we need a municipal development plan? And why do we need the Calgary Plan? Well, we need it for a number of reasons. First, and simply, is because we are required to have it. The Municipal Government Act requires all municipalities to have a municipal development plan. The answer to why now is because it is good governance and best practice to review and update a plan of this sort in response to new context and growth projections. It's an opportunity to be thoughtful about land and mobility direction. Calgary has seen rapid growth and change impacting all of our city systems and amenities. I certainly notice as I travel around the city the increased pressure of our population change. Whether it's more people at the swimming pool or increased commute times, we all experience the pressures and the opportunities of growth and change in our own lives. The Calgary Plan enables a variety of options to address how we respond to the challenges and maximize the opportunities that a growing city faces. It's noteworthy to highlight that the draft Calgary Plan merges two key policy documents, the Municipal Development Plan and Calgary's Transportation Plan. This move brings together and aligns planning for both land use and mobility. And Council, it also reduces redundancies and streamlines policy direction for the city. This plan reduces policies from over 600 pages in two documents down to just over 100 pages in one concise plan. This represents a 65% reduction in the number of policies that the city will implement. That is cutting red tape. It also reflects the symbiotic relationship between land use and mobility, that effective transportation needs good land use, and good land use needs effective transportation. Next slide, please. The Calgary Plan has been shaped by Calgarians. This has been one of the most extensive engagement efforts the city has undertaken. And we have more planned. As you can see by the numbers on the slide, since 2023 we have used a range of techniques to connect with Calgarians across all wards of the city. Calgarians have been involved throughout this work, from confirming overall vision and priorities to reviewing proposed policy direction. On May 21st of this year, the latest Calgary Plan draft was made public, as well as a What We Are Doing report, which sets out how engagement has informed the plan that is in front of you today. To bring people along in the journey, this is the third version of the draft policies that have been released publicly since the start of the process, demonstrating how Calgarians' feedback has been incorporated every step of the way. Council, it's important to consider that just as you have different perspectives on how the city should grow and change, so do Calgarians. We recognize that even with an incredibly robust engagement approach, the perspectives captured do not represent a single Uniform consensus. There simply is not one. Like you, we are listening and considering all perspectives, and the current draft represents an earnest, objective effort to balance those diverse viewpoints into a cohesive framework for Calgary's future. We look forward to hearing more from Calgarians as this work continues. Next slide, please. Council, let's turn our attention to the goals of the Calgary Plan. There are three. And they are centered around people, the environment, and the economy. These goals are about what makes Calgary a great place to live, and they align with what Calgaryans told us they value most. Next slide, please. The Calgary Plan enables a mix of land uses in Calgary's neighborhoods for the convenience of residents to have more amenities, like small businesses closer to home. It enables housing choice by continuing to allow many housing types in all areas of the city. Therefore, letting people choose what suits them, their lifestyle, and their stage of life. The plan enables complete networks for people to choose how they want to travel to places around the city. Ensuring Calgarians have options for how to move around does not mean limiting one particular mode, but rather providing opportunity and choice and making sure there are connections between different modes like walking, driving, and taking transit. Next slide, please. The Calgary Plan aims to maintain the livability that we all enjoy and that makes Calgary an attractive city. Through engagement, we heard overwhelmingly about how special Calgary's river valleys and natural spaces are. This plan includes direction to continue to protect those spaces and integrate nature throughout the city. Parks and recreation facilities are highly valued by Calgarians, and the plan includes updated and more precise guidance to ensure people have more options to access these places. Our neighbors shared their desire for easy access to workplaces, shopping, restaurants, activities, and services throughout the city. This plan provides options and opportunity, enabling the experiences and community connections that Calgaryans value, from visiting their local coffee shop to walking their kids to school. Next slide, please. The Calgary Plan supports a robust economy and opportunity for all Calgarians. The plan positions Calgary as a fiscally responsible and globally competitive city by aligning land use with infrastructure considerations, protecting industrial lands, and delivering efficient commercial and logistics networks. Collectively, these actions expand the tax base, attract investment and talent, and enable local businesses to thrive. It solidifies Calgary's position as the primary logistics and economic hub. Connecting the Calgary region to the world. It also supports our downtown as the economic and cultural heart of the city, supporting policy for great public spaces, festivals and events, encouraging streets with more patios, restaurants, culture, and vibrancy, which are all economic drivers for tourism and investment. Next slide, please. I'm almost done. To support today's discussion, we've grouped the Calgary Plan into key themes that reflect what we heard through engagement. You can see in these in attachment three and in the handout that you were provided at the beginning of the session. The themes are housing and mobility, infrastructure, nature, parks and recreation, and economy in downtown. And as GM Hamilton noted, there will be an opportunity to dive deeper into these details on each of these four themes. We will start each theme with a short introductory presentation and then address your questions before moving into the next theme. Next slide, please. What's next for the program at this point? Our plan today is to conduct final engagement in the fall, after which we will will reduce, sorry, we will release the proposed drafts of the Calgary Plan and Zoning By Law, and then bring a final proposed Calgary Plan to Council in January of 2027, which would be followed by the zoning bylaw in March of the same year. And on the following slide brings us back to the recommendations for today. We're looking forward to the conversation. To hearing from you. And Mayor, that concludes my opening presentation. Thank you. Thank you. Jim Hamilton, what was your recommendation for how the conversation will flow today? So, as per the run of show, mayor, what I would suggest to Council is if you've got questions on about what you just heard, the program overall, maybe engagement that we've done, how we've incorporated engagement, why we need what what is a municipal development plan, why do we need one? Those types of general questions would be a great time now. And then specific ones on specific policies will come in the theme areas. So those will be next. Does that work? Yeah. Yeah, and I I did hear from some of my colleagues a desire at some point to perhaps go into briefly into closed session for discussion on uh to receive some further advice on that. But uh I'm gonna go through the speaker's queue now. Councillor Dallywell, please. Yeah, thanks, Mayor. I I have a motion ready to go into uh in camera, just to start with. I believe uh PDS got some consultants uh with them that can uh take us back into the history and start how this came about. And there could be some questions about uh that we maybe are confidential, cannot be discussed in public. So motion is ready with the clerks, and then let's get that out of the way, then we can come in the public and do the public part. All right, uh we'll prep that uh on the clerk's side. Uh Councillor Del will make that motion. Can I please have a seconder? Uh seconded by uh Councillor Clark. Any discussion on this, Councillor Shabot? Sorry, I'm my computer's rebooting, so I'm not up here. And while I appreciate administration's presentation and and the desire to go along this format. Um when I was going through the document last night, um the Calgary plan, I had put a whole bunch of sticky notes in my binder and different questions I wanted to ask them. They're not actually following this format. So I'm just wondering, will I still be able to ask my questions based on my sticky notes or do I have to follow this format? I I would say you do you, Councillor Shabot, but I'll follow your sticky notes. I was going to do you different use different words, but yes, Councillor Chabot. If a question doesn't fall within the the themes, we're here to answer any of your questions. Thank you. Because it may go back and forth, just to be clear. But I I do have a structure. You may test the will of your colleagues around the horseshoe on that. Oh, I that's already been tested actually. Thank you. No further questions. Yeah, I uh again we we have a little bit more flexibility too with the uh unlimited questions. Again, it's it's it's uh not a goal. Uh Councillor Kelly, did you want to speak on the motion to go into closed session? No. Anybody else on this or just process for the day? Seeing none, uh let's engage the Evo, please, on this motion to go into closed session. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please. No. Councillor McLean. No. Mayor Farkas? No. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the uh motion is carried with councillors Ward, Johnston, Chabot, Tyres. Jameson McLean and myself opposed. Uh we will head to the council board room. Council will be resuming in public meeting shortly. Please make your way back to the council chamber. Welcome back to Calgary City Council. Um Mr. Clerk, please call the rule. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Pandasopoulos. Councillor Schmidt? Councillor Tyres? Okay. Councillor Ward. Councillor Wyness. Councillor Ewell. Councillor Atkinson. Councillor Chabot? Present. Councillor Clark. Councillor Daliwall. Councillor Jameson, Yeah, present. Councillor Johnston, Here. Councillor Kelly, Present. Councillor McClain, Here. Mayor Farkas. I'm here. All right, we are back. Uh colleagues, I'm gonna suggest that we take up administration on the more detailed run through of the plan, what's in the plan, what it is, what it isn't. Uh there's a couple different uh focus areas. Uh perhaps we can keep us uh relatively tight as to the questions. Uh the greater priority, I think, uh, for the vast majority of us is just the transparency so that the public understands. Uh what's before us, what the next steps and process is. I I know many of you have uh a bunch of follow-up questions. Uh we'll have the opportunity to do as much as possible that with that we can uh uh here in open and then perhaps we run through to about noon. We'll be able to take our chance to to go uh for our lunch break, and then uh I'll entertain a motion perhaps to to re resume our meeting uh in close session following that to be able to go uh through some of the more uh specific nuts and bolts. So if that's amenable, uh colleagues, uh perhaps we'll go back to you, Jim Hamilton and Director Goldstein, to to go through that uh run through. Thank you very much, Mayor and Council. And it's actually Director Davies Murphy, sitting in the case. Well Teresa's here every other. oh my gosh. I only worked together 10 years. I'm so sorry. I'll leave it at that. Anyway, I will now turn the themes over to uh Director Davies Murphy and uh Andrew Palmere. Well, and we need a motion to rise and report. Uh moved by Councillor Dollywell, second by uh Councillor Kelly. Uh all in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that motion is carried. Great, good morning, Council. As Deb mentioned earlier, I'm Andrew Palmier. I'm a principal at O2 Planning and Design. My team and I have been supporting the Calgary City Building Program since 2023. The first theme that I wanted to walk you through this morning is housing and mobility. This theme covers Do we have the slide deck? Clerks, we have slides in attachment three, I believe it is. That we'll walk through. Thank you. Ah, brilliant. Thank you. Perfect. Maybe we'll go to the next slide. That's great. We can start right there. The first theme is housing and mobility. This theme covers the most topics and it's the longest presentation because we wanted to be able to discuss the interrelationships between growth, housing, transit, and community context. As you can imagine, growth, housing, and mobility are front of mind for Calgarians. Calgarians know that the city is growing and will continue to grow, and that housing and density need to go somewhere. Many Calgarians told us that the most logical places for density is near transit, the downtown, And near or within existing higher density areas. Affordability is also a key issue for Calgarians. The cost of living crisis is affecting many families. Housing and transportation costs, in particular, are impacting where Calgarians are able to live in our city. We also heard from many Calgarians about how growth and change is impacting their neighborhoods. Each neighborhood has its own unique context, and as the city evolves, people want to know that that context will remain relevant. And finally, Calgarians want to be able to move around the city easily and have choices in how they travel. Safety, efficiency, and affordability are critical for all modes of transportation. And one of the big priorities that we heard throughout our engagement process is that they want to make sure, Calgarians want to make sure that kids are able to walk and bike to school safely. Next slide, please. So with regard to density, density is addressed in the city structure map within the draft Calgary Plan. This is the main Calgary Plan map that conceptualizes at the highest level where future growth and density should go in alignment with the city's mobility networks. To create this conceptual map, the team started with what needs to be protected Calgary's rivers and significant open spaces. Layered onto that are industrial lands, which are critical to Calgary's robust economy, and our downtown, the economic core and cultural heart of the city. We then added on top of those layers the primary transit network and road infrastructure, current and future, which are essential to moving people and goods. And then we added in Calgary's residential areas. And they were layered into three distinct types or activity areas from the lowest to the highest density of activity. Starting with those, then the light activity area. These are Calgary's primarily residential areas, shown in light yellow on the map. It takes up about 40% of the city's total area, about 39% and changed to be more precise. And it includes predominantly single detached neighborhoods. Light activity areas are generally the furthest from the primary transit network. And then what we then moved into is the moderate activity areas and then the high activity areas. And the moderate activity areas are corridors within about 400 meters along the primary transit network. And this also includes older neighborhoods with graded streets, these corridors were generally there and are already starting to densify and become more mixed use. And then finally, as you can see in the darkest color, the darkest orange there is the high activity areas. These are 600 meter nodes around the primary transit stations, plus some main streets, and the existing activity areas that have been concentration of jobs and people. These are transit oriented developments that are planned and are to enable the highest densities in the city. And unlike the previous MDP, the new city structure map treats inner city established and greenfield areas as the same. The logic of density connected to transit is applied across the city to existing and new communities. Again, the city structure map is conceptual and it provides high-level generalized boundaries. It outlines overall intent where density should be focused. But it's citywide and it is at the local area plan level where density, land use, and built form are shaped block by block through extensive dialogue and engagement. Next slide, please. So neighborhood context and housing choice. The Calgary Plan supports housing choice in two key ways. One by enabling a diversity of housing types and tenures across the city, and two by giving the market the flexibility to provide housing and locations that make sense. As shown by the images, The Calgary Plan activity areas each enable a range of proposed scales of housing. The light activity areas, the ones that are the primarily single detached neighborhoods that we we just saw on the previous slide, really enable low and limited scale with greater scale only if appropriate transitions are provided or it's identified through a local area plan. The moderate activity areas. Those include limited to mid-scales, and the mid scale hits up to about 12 stories or less. And then the high activity areas, that's the entire spectrum of building scales where you can start to see towers in the belt line, the downtown, or immediately adjacent to some transit stations. These scales then get refined, and I just want to emphasize that again at the block by block level in local area plans. In addition to housing choice, the Calgary Plan acknowledges individual neighborhood context and the need for local planning. So there's policies that suggest that. And the reality is local context cannot be defined at a citywide scale. It's just impossible to do when you're at 50,000 feet. Blanket policies for certain types of design, setbacks, or character don't work as they can't address the local nuances of unique and the unique identity of community. This is why the local the Calvary, sorry, this is why the Calvary Plan directs local area plans to establish that character and work with the community in acknowledging that context. Next slide, please. Safe and convenient travel. Planning for our citywide mobility networks is critical to make sure that Calgary remains safe and convenient to navigate as the city grows. The Calgary plan includes network maps for future streets, goods movement, transit, wheeling networks. The plan's policies speak to enabling choice, providing safety for all modes, and enabling more connections between modes of travel. The policies ensure a safe and efficient street network is provided for all modes of transportation. The plan doesn't pick favorites and it doesn't pit modes against one another. The plan focuses on enabling choice. Calgarians want options for how they move through the city, and the plan strives to align land use and mobility, ensuring all transportation choices are legitimate and effective. Importantly, the plan protects the goods network to keep industry connected and competitive and further Calgary's position as an inland port with integrated road, rail, and air connections. Fast and frequent transit is also highlighted throughout the plan to make and to make this feasible and affordable option for Calgarians and leverage existing transit investments in the placement of density. And finally, the plan also enables local area plans to establish specific walking and wheeling priority corridors at a local scale, including ensuring that all school zones are identified as walking priority corridors. Next slide, please. So how do the current municipal how does the current municipal development plan and the draft calgary plan lead to development on the ground? I have two examples to kind of walk you through quickly, one in a local area plan and one in a greenfield area structure plan. This first example here is a recent transit oriented development to the east of the Westbrook LRT station. This is intended as an illustrative example of applying MDP level policy and how it plays a role in decision making for development. First, the Calgary Plan defines the site as a neighborhood high activity area because it's within 600 meters of the C train station. The boundaries at the citywide plan level are highly generalized, as you can see here. And it's intended to be defined and refined further through the LAP. And we know that from the Calgary plan, there's a full range of building scales that are appropriate, all the way up to point towers. So then what happens is now the Westbrook Community's local area plan was completed and developed through an intensive public engagement process that then identifies appropriate and contextual land uses, building scale, and mobility links. And in this case, the policy says that this site is appropriate for residential development with optional commercial at grade if they wanted to, to a maximum height of six stories. This type of refinement. From the conceptual citywide boundaries of the MDP is critical at the LAP level. There is significant context and local engagement that needs to happen at this scale that can't be accomplished at a citywide level. And the draft cavalry plan is less prescriptive than the current MDP, letting LAPs design design, sorry, design more effectively for the local context. And if you take a look here, you can see that you know the broad generalized dark orange and the Calvary Plan got really significantly refined through that local engagement and local area plan process. And with the LAP direction in place, council then approved a land use district change for a mixed use one general, which is an exciting name, to allow for a six-story building. And it had a height of 26 meters and FAR 4.6 if you were at all interested. And then administration took that and with through the application process approved the development permit that we now see here on the slide. So if I could just deliver one message on this, it's from highly generalized to local to site to construction. And that's the general flow that we see here. Next slide, please. Now, in the second example, is a transit-oriented development in the new community context in Seton. Similarly to the last example, this is meant to be illustrative of the Calgary Plan, but was completed under the existing MDP. This area is by a future Green Line Station. So again, the Calgary Plan defines the site as a neighborhood high activity. And in this case, the Southeast Center Area Structure Plan allows residential or mixed use development focused around the South Health campus and the future Green Line stations. Council then approved a land use district change. So again, you can see how it gets refined by the street pattern and it goes from conceptual and it starts to get more and more focused. And then council approved a land use district change to a direct control district to enable apartments and live work and commercial uses. And the building height contextually had to be aligned with the neighboring hospital helicopter requirements defined through a site concept plan. So it's a pretty great example of how local context then gets refined through and which then impacts what can actually be built and designed. And then administration ultimately approved a development permit for a five story development that we now see here in the photograph. Next slide, please. So, one of the things through the Calgary Plan, which we have in the existing MDP, is measuring outcomes. And in this slide, I will end on this theme and how we plan to measure success for the Calgary plan through indicators. For growth, housing, and mobility, the plan has influencing indicators. These are factors that the city can actually directly influence and impact in monitoring indicators, which the city doesn't influence but can help us track progress. The balancing growth indicator you see here measures the percentage of new housing units in redeveloping areas. The map on the right shows the city's current developing and redeveloping areas, the redeveloping areas being the darker yellow. Doesn't mean they're all going to redevelop, right? It's just these are established areas, they're defined as redeveloping. And the target for 2050 is 50%. And this is what we've inherited through the existing MDP. And for context, in 2025, we were at 46% of new units in redeveloping areas and 54% in developing. In addition to the 50 50, or sorry, the 50% target, we're also measuring the increase in residential population in the greater downtown. The percentage of housing units within 600 meters of transit stations, again tied to the high activity nodes, and the transportation mode split to track the level of choice. Mayor Farkas, this concludes this section and we welcome any questions and discussion. Thank you. Uh as a reminder, uh how many other sections do we have? Uh similar, probably length in presentation? Mayor Farkas, there are three more. They're relatively shorter than this one, Rose. Uh colleagues, I'm gonna suggest we we run through each of the themed uh presentation here so we can just uh get it out and then we'll have the opportunity to maybe go back for some public questions. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you, Ms. Davies. We will move into the infrastructure theme, please. Clerks, to the next slide. This will follow the same format with a quick presentation, and then we'll move we'll just continue to roll into the following two themes. Next slide, please. Infrastructure is something on the minds of a lot of Calgarians, and I know that it is a strategic priority of this council. Our current municipal development plan that was developed in 2009 has very little policy about infrastructure servicing, and that has been addressed through this draft Calgary plan. Throughout engagement, we heard two main themes related to infrastructure. First, Calgarians care about the city making responsible investments, a city we can all afford. This means keeping property taxes low, making the most of those tax dollars, and investing in the things that Calgarians care about the most. And second, when it comes to growth, Calgarians want to know that infrastructure can handle new demand and is upgraded as required. The basics are most important to Calgarians, including water, roads, parks, and recreation facilities. Efficient provision of this infrastructure is vital to our quality of life. Next slide, please. The current MDP does not have a lot of direction about coordinating infrastructure and growth. This is something we have addressed and strengthened in this draft. The Calvary Plan includes policies on financially sustainable growth, ensuring that land use planning decisions consider long term infrastructure operations and lifecycle costs. Compact and contiguous development, ensuring that servicing and infrastructure networks are extended logically as the city grows. We also strive to maintain a three to five year supply of serviced land in developing areas. And as of May 2025, we have a seven to ten year supply of serviced land. Ensuring adequate infrastructure capacity exists for new development, and this is done in many ways through growth applications that are directed through the Calgary Plan. There's also specific policies on ensuring the city provides reliable and safe water and sanitary services, which are not currently in the existing MDP. And finally, the Calgary Plan directs the city to assess risk, measure service levels and asset condition to guide renewal of municipal infrastructure. So that is what we do today, but this puts it into policy, making sure that investment decisions are tied to data and evidence. Next slide, please. With the previous theme that Andrew went through, I'll talk briefly about the measuring outcomes. So, for infrastructure, the plan sets out two monitoring indicators. These are indicators that the city doesn't have direct influence over but are important to monitor. Here we are looking at infrastructures, current replacement value per capita, and the taxable assessment values. A city's infrastructure assets such as roads, sewers, fire stations, and libraries have value, but they also need to be maintained and eventually replaced. If the value of these assets grows faster than the population, it can create a higher long term cost burden and risk the city's financial sustainability. The asset value per capita has been increasing over time. In 2017, the inflation adjusted replacement value per capita was about $82,000. In 2025, that number has increased to $90,000 per capita, which represents an increase of 10% since 2017. Moving on to the taxable assessment values. This is a measure of growth. This allows us to monitor the balance between residential and non-residential tax base. If residential growth outpaces other types of growth, this both generates more infrastructure needs and can increase the tax burden to pay for and maintain infrastructure. When infrastructure is built and maintained correctly, it is largely invisible and goes unnoticed. We turn on our taps to get clean water, we flush our toilets and waste disappears. When we need to commute, we have good connections to our destination. The indicators help to ensure that we are on target to achieve, maintain, and improve that infrastructure and services. And they work together with other performance measures and tools that the city uses. That's the conclusion of the infrastructure section, and we'll I'll hand it over to Andrew to take us through the nature parks and recreation. Sounds good, thank you. Great, thank you. Perfect. Nature, parks, and recreation. Next slide. So the Calgary Plan updates direction on natural area protection, access and quality of parks, and access to recreation. Key amenities that make Calgary one of the most livable cities in the world. Nature, parks, and recreation was one of the topics that was the topic that we heard the most positive feedback on from Calgarians throughout all phases of engagement. Specifically, Calgarians value and want to see greater protections, their natural areas and habitats, including tree canopy and source water protection. They want to balance access to natural areas with their protection goals as a priority. And Calgarians love their parks. They want to see them protected, maintained, and enhanced for all season use and leisure and recreation. And Calgarians also highlighted that gaps in park access and distribution across the city should be looked at. With regard to recreation, Calgarians want to see recreation infrastructure keep pace with growth and to make sure access to facilities remains affordable. And this means more and improved facilities and programming distributed across the city. Next slide, please. So the Calgary Plan, so what does it say with regard to natural areas protection? Well the Calgary Plan strengthens existing direction to protect natural systems, but for recreation, but for both, sorry, recreation and the variety of benefits the green infrastructure system provides to Calgarians, from flood protection to shading our streets. Within the plan, there is an updated ecological network map, and policies have been strengthened to first connect, enhance, and then restore Calgary's natural areas. The Calgary plan also enables our urban canopy targets by protecting trees on city owned lands and directing the provision of more street trees. Additional policies have been added to better protect and buffer significant wetlands, habitats, and ecosystems. And there are also policies aimed at balancing responsible access to natural spaces with protection goals. So our natural areas remain part of Calgary's quality of life and while contributing and serving important ecological functions. Next slide, please. So, access to high quality parks. The Calgary Plan enhances opportunities to provide an interconnected and distributed park system, aligning with the recently completed Connect Parks Plan. The Calgary Plan treats parks as an interconnected system, linking natural areas, parks, and open space, and pathways. The plan also focuses on filling existing gaps in the system with two main targets for park provision: two hectares of parks per thousand for two hectares of park space per 1,000 people, LAPs and ASPs in those areas, except for the downtown where it's one hectare per 1,000 people. And all residents should be within 400 meters of a multifunctional park space. Where it's not possible to meet these targets through acquisition, the plan supports investment in existing parks to improve the quantity and quality of their amenities. Next slide, please. Access to recreation. Calgary Plan incorporates the new vision from Game Plan to improve access to recreation and align investment with growth. This includes making sure there is affordable and all season access to facilities, programs, amenities, and services. Policies to ensure recreation facilities are distributed throughout the city and connected to mobility networks. And addressing gaps through new or improved facilities and amenities, ensuring these amenities keep pace with growth. Next slide, please. In close, the key indicators to measure success from nature parks and recreation are ecological network connectivity, which is measured as the percentage of total natural area that remains connected within an ecological network, trying to look to get to 75%. Ecological network enhancement, which is measured as the total area of land restored in the park system. Urban forest, which is the percentage of tree canopy coverage with the target of 14%, and park access, the percentage of housing units within 400 meters of multifunctional park with a target of 75%. This concludes the presentation we have on parks, natural spaces, and recreation. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you, clerks. We'll move to our final theme, which is economy in downtown. And this really ties back to the competitiveness outcome that I mentioned in our opening presentation. Next slide, please. So, what do Calgarians care about? What we heard is that a robust economy that offers opportunity is a priority. Through engagement, we heard that Calgarians value local retail and services close to home, and that people want to see more job creation across all sectors. Calgarians also told us that Calgary's economy needs to be diversified and competitive regionally. Innovation should be encouraged and business made easier. Generally, Calgarians wanted to see continued revitalization of downtown through economic development, arts, culture, and events. We also heard from many Calgarians who love living downtown. Next slide, please. And so how does the Calvary Plan do this? The Calvary Plan can influence economic opportunities through land use permissions, mobility networks, and process improvements. The Calgary Plan enables more small, low-impact businesses in residential areas to bring shops and services closer to home. The plan aims to streamline approvals for businesses and also removes several prescriptive policies for retail and businesses, cutting red tape. It continues to protect industrial lands. And as Andrew showed previously on the city structure map, that was the purple area in that map. It continues to protect or pardon me, the Calgary Plan enables multiple travel options for safe and convenient access to jobs, and it enables an efficient goods movement network, making sure the city remains connected by road, rail, and air. Next slide, please. The Calrie Plan is one part of the overall strategy for enhancing our downtown, providing high level enabling direction that is detailed further through other action plans and strategies. The Calrie Plan includes policies that reinforce downtown as the civic, cultural, and economic core of our city. It enables more people to live downtown, supporting vibrancy and downtown businesses. It increases the amount and quality of public space in the downtown to support residents, workers, and visitors. And it supports festivals, events, and activations of streets and public spaces, which contribute to livability and our tourism industry. Next slide, please. There are two main indicators that we've included to monitor the success of economic outcomes. The first is downtown growth. The target for 2050 is 100,000 people total. Living downtown. Today we're at about 56,000. Bringing more residents downtown contributes to the vibrancy and livability of the core. And the second indicator is around taxable assessment values. This again is a monitoring indicator, which we don't influence directly, but is an important piece of information that helps track if our policies are the right ones. This measures the percent share of residential versus non residential assessment values, allowing us to understand how strong our non residential tax base is and how it evolves in the downtown as office conversions address reduced demand. Mayor Farkas and Council, this is our final theme, and that's all we have for you. Thank you. All right, fantastic. Thank you so much for the uh thorough presentation. I'm gonna move through the speaker skew, starting with uh Councillor Kelly, please. Uh thank you, Mayor. Um, thank you, Administration, for the presentation. I think we probably will have a motion a little bit later on to give us a little bit more time because uh uh this has been great, like to learn and I I have a bunch of questions that I don't think are fair to go through here today, uh in the in the specific uh theme area. So maybe I'll just keep my questions right now focused on sort of like the overall of the MDP, uh, if if that's okay. Um I wanted to start off with just um from your perspective, uh why do we need an update to the MDP when it was last updated in 2020? Um my understanding is that uh the plan here is to update this document, the municipal development plan every 20 or 30 years. I'm wondering if you can just sort of share. Why why in your view uh we need an update at this point when it was just updated in 2020? Thank you, Councillor Kelly, and through the chair. The update that was completed in 2020 was what I would characterize as a housekeeping amendment. And really, some of the key themes that were addressed there were to incorporate the city charter and some legislative changes and modernized MGA requirements. There was some outdated outdated language and map updates that were done, and some removal of redundant or confusing policies. And so it was really a clean up. It is best practice and good governance to update your municipal development plan every 10 years. And so I would say we are overdue for that, given that our plan is currently 17 years old. Um and that last plan that was 17 years ago, as you point out, uh Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I I believe that Imagine Calgary was the basis for that particular MDP. So I'm just curious as we go into this version, uh, what would you sort of define as the the the guidance that we're using for this particular document? Certainly. So Councillor Kelly through the chair. We'll get in our time machines and go back to Imagine Calgary, which was in 2006, and then Planet Calgary came after in 2007 to 2009. What I would say is the bones of our municipal development plan are strong and they are founded in that work. And so the work in the Calgary Plan builds on engagement really through all of that time. As well as the engagements that we have specifically been doing over the last three years to understand where Calgary is today at a city of 1.6, 1.7 million, and what we envision for the next 30 years. Thank you. I I appreciate that guidance. Um sort of building on that, the the three goals and I I if I count it correctly, 17 outcomes that are in the document, um uh I those are basically what everything else in the document is based off of, correct? Like that's that's what we're trying to accomplish, correct? That's correct. And I'm wondering if maybe if you can just give us a little bit of background then where or maybe walk us through a little bit about where those goals or outcomes came from, or um being that 10 of us are are are new around here and we're not part of the previous council on what like were they approved before we began working on the rest of the document? Or yeah, just anything you can give us in terms of a little bit of knowledge about what those uh those three goals and uh 17 outcomes, what uh where they came from sort of thing. Great, thank you. So I'll just refer to attachment to page 10 of 96, where the goals and outcomes are in the draft plan. And so there are three goals a people goal, which is Calgary is a healthy, vibrant city for everyone. Environment goal, Calgary respects and protects natural systems, and the economy goal. Calgary's robust, competitive, and diverse economy supports innovation and opportunity for everyone. These are high level goals that were informed by feedback from Calgarians, and it's what we heard is important to Calgarians. But they weren't approved by council previously. No council has seen these goals or debated them. Okay. That's good to know. Thank you. As mentioned in the presentation, this particular MDP is about half the length of the previous uh version. I'm wondering if you can give us maybe a bit of a summary of what was cut out in order to be able to get it down. I assume we didn't take like full sections, we sort of streamlined a little bit, but I'm wondering if you can just give us a bit of an overview of what uh uh what was taken out and kind of how you got to that point of of uh determining that those were the things that uh were okay to to not be spelled out in detail in this document. Okay, thank you for the question and through the chair. I think the fundamental starting point and where we were able to find efficiency in the plan was by actually bringing the Calgary Transportation Plan and the MDP together as one cohesive document versus two appended documents. So we're able to go through that, find a redundant policy, and a lot of text that we could actually just flat out remove, which was really helpful to make the document far more legible. And then also with other plans like the Parks Plan, the Connect Parks, and Game Plan coming up as well, we were able to remove redundant policy. Because the MDP didn't need to speak to the specifics anymore that it may have been trying to do in the past. So we were able to find efficiencies there. And then with local area planning process in place, too, we were able to defer and remove some of the policies around context, et cetera, to local area plans and really have the Calgary plan function as a high level strategy or North Star document rather than trying to do so much at once. Um a couple of follow-up questions just related to that. You mentioned the local area plans. Obviously, the the majority of the city doesn't currently have a local area plan. So I wonder if you can sort of speak towards when you when you're taking out some of that guidance, as you as you were just saying, to move it over to a local area plan. How do you sort of envision that that working for those communities that don't have a local area plan if they're no longer going to have that sort of uh level of detail that previously was in the MDP, and as you said, probably does more rightfully belong in a local area plan? So, Councillor Kelly, what I'll start with, and then maybe I'll ask Andrew to continue on, is that about 95% of the city is covered by either an area structure plan or a local area plan. So there is some other statutory plan in place. It may be older and need a refresh, but there is very little of the city that doesn't have some statutory plan providing some guidance. And then I'll ask Andrew to comment further. Right, no, thank you. Uh I in addition to that, actually, what we've also noticed is that the vast majority of development permits that we've received have been in areas with local area plans or in place or area redevelopment plans or area structure plans. So there is definitely an opportunity for a conversation around maybe adding some additional guidance in if we need to, if if that's what council feels is important. But um the general idea that we've noticed and working with through administration on this for the last three years was that. Most changes occurring in areas where there are plans in place already, and that we can streamline the Calgary Plan more efficiently as a result of that. Okay, yeah, look forward to some more conversation about that for sure. I just wanted to sort of pivot back to um you'd mentioned that uh by getting the uh Calgary plan, which if I pull it up here is what uh 96 pages, uh the previous municipal development plan was um 191 pages, and you said you managed to find some streamlining between by by uh combining the the CTP and the MDP. But I recognize the fact that the the the Calgary Transportation Plan, the 2020 version, was 104 pages as well. So that's actually 300 pages that we've managed to get down to 100 pages. I wonder if you can just give me a little bit more there in terms of how do we get the 200 pages, which is my original question, of the MDP down to half of that. Great. Through through the chair, I mean we have Rachel Dillon in the audience. I might get her to come up and ask, give you some of the actual specifics of what we were doing. But when you go and you read the existing cali MDP today, um It became very immediate and apparent to us with a mandate of red tape reduction and tran in transparency and ease of access and use that there was a lot of redundancy, a lot of overlapping policy, and we cut. I don't want to misspeak, but I would believe it was around 700 policies between the two documents because it felt that they weren't necessary anymore. They were covered in other levels of plans, or they weren't adding any significant value and creating a more legible, simple document for residents to use. I can maybe defer to Rachel, who can give you some more specifics on what we did, as she was one of the primary authors around the Calgary Plan itself and also led the charge of finding those efficiencies. Yeah, that'd be great. I'd love to hear some more. Hello? Okay. Great. Uh through the chair. Yeah, uh, I'm more than happy to elaborate on how some of that policy bulk got trimmed down. One of the most effective ways that we found in trimming it was to restructure the plan around simple categories of city building. So just by aggregating all the parks policies in one spot, all the rec policies, all the growth policies, we were able to pull out those repetitions because the current municipal development plan is first organized by broad strategic direction that has a lot of overlapping Venn diagrams with each other. So there is repetition to ensure that each strategic direction is fulsome. And then another piece was the current municipal development plan has a transit-oriented development section, and then it also has a typology section that has greenfield areas and established areas and inner city areas all separated, and it also has two sections on main streets and three sections on activity centers, and all a lot of those sections have the same policies in them. So we at by aggregating things together, uh pulling in the and combining transit oriented development with uh the urban main streets and the major activity centers, we were able to really refine the policy bulk there. And then the last thing I would point to was really in at the effort to reduce red tape and streamline, we were able to reduce a lot of. Policy content that is very specific, very detailed. For example, we had about 50 policies on specific components of retail, different scales of retail, different locations, different forms, and we are now down to just about a dozen policies on retail. So by trimming a lot of that extraneous detail and prescriptiveness, we were able to simplify as well as achieve our objective to streamline things for businesses. I hope that helps clarify. Yeah, it really does. And I I I am I'm I was gonna say we could really nerd out on this because I I might I and I'd like to actually uh if we have the time uh moving forward to the next because I really appreciate that the the the finding of efficiencies within here and streamlining it because I think we've we've definitely heard from uh uh uh from our neighbors about the complexity of some of these things. Um before you run away though, I'll I'll ask this through administration though, but the the next question that I had was uh just specifically around the the the transportation plan. As I said earlier, I think it's like 106 pages or something like that. Current the current version, but now within the document, uh transportation takes up 12 pages, including the map. Um wonder if you can maybe just uh uh speak to that in terms of uh how we managed to get 100 pages down to essentially 11 pages. Absolutely. And a lot of that is the same Tactics that we used for the municipal development plan. So the first one I'd speak to is as you could probably visualize in the Calgary Transportation Plan. There's a lot of sections that are broad goals, safety, immobility, transportation demand management, and they hit on the same modes within each section. So by simplifying the plan and structuring policy content on the mode of travel, walking, transit, wheeling, goods movement, we were able to find a lot of efficiencies there. And then there are also sections of the transportation plan that we removed. For example, there's no more high-occupancy vehicle policies in the Calgary plan that are currently in the Calgary Transportation Plan. The Calgary Transportation Plan also has incentive policies for active modes of travel that's no longer in the Calgary Plan. As you'll remember from Andrew's presentation, that the Calgary transportation mobility policies are about balance and not preferring one type of moat over another, but balancing them all together. So anything that incentivized a moat over another, particularly walking and wheeling, is now those incentive policies are gone. And then there's also policies about transportation pricing and other pieces that are also removed from the plan as well. Thank you very much. And maybe I'll throw it over to Admin uh G Mahomilton and uh uh uh Director Davies Murphy. Uh any uh I mean obviously this feedback all came in from O2, the from the consultants who's going. I'm just curious, any any sort of thoughts or concerns in terms of any of the stuff that we have stripped out uh that might uh A cause you any any any concerns or or or B are you uh uh excited about a a simplified policy document? Through the chair, um just to be clear, um Councillor Kelly, administration and our consultants worked hand in hand. So we're one team on this. Yes, sir. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. Yes. We're getting the detail from the consultant, and this is why I just wanted to uh to double check with administration on the uh uh any concerns related to uh uh the stripping down that your teams may have. I think what you heard is that there was a lot of repetition, there were some conflicting policies, it's more difficult to read when you're having to look at policies in different sections, and so the draft before you is streamlined, it's plain language as best as we can, clear, um, and I would I would say probably much easier to use. Uh and without getting into bait to debate, I'll say thank you for streamlining it. I I I really appreciate the the the efficiency that uh that you're fine that you're finding in here, and I appreciate hearing that uh we don't have any concerns about anything that has been cut, or at least administration doesn't have any concerns about anything that may have been uh uh cut out. Um I I heard that we don't Councillor Kelly, if I if I may, uh I know we have unlimited time right now. Uh The intent was to come back after the uh break in uh in closed session, I think is what I heard from uh much of us. Uh is there any objection to us uh working through until the uh speakers queue uh in open uh concludes? It's just we have others who are looking to be able to get in in the open opportunity and they may not uh if if we don't uh delay our lunch. by uh uh I have one final question in this overall section. Again, like I said at the beginning, I I think that for streamlining here today, I'm happy to not get into the individual section questions. I just wanted to kind of get some overall questions answered first. Yeah, I'm not putting you on notice, Councillor Kelly, but is just for the rest of us uh as a group here, is there any objection to us just continue our open questions? And then once those are concluded, we'll begin our break. For lunch. Okay. Seeing no objection, uh, continue. Yeah, I'd I probably would have I think we do need a lunch break in there and I'm I I mean while I only see a couple other people in the queue here I I I I could see us having more people to go past noon. Okay, go carry on. Thank you. Um I uh just last question here then I I heard that if we uh uh from you earlier that if we don't approve the Calga plan, we'll need to make some amendments to the current MTP to keep it compliant. I'm wondering if you can give just a brief overview of like what those amendments would be, just so that we as council have an idea in terms of what changes would need to be made. Certainly. I'll give you two examples. The um Calgary Metropolitan Region Board wind down. So the current municipal development plan references the regional plan as statutory planning. So we would need to make that amendment to identify intermunicipal development plans as a statutory planning document. The second is that we've had a number of what I call service strategies like Connect Parks and Game Plan approved by council, and the MDP does not align with those. And so the Calvary plan was written to align with those service strategies. We would need to go back and Update that to ensure that we had alignment. Thank you very much. Thank you, Chair. Oh, sorry. Mayor. Councillor uh McLean, please. Uh thank you, Mayor. Uh not so much questions. Just a statement, I'll make it quick because I don't think it's this got sent back last time because people didn't like it. This is what we're supposed to do is listen to the people. I see this a lot like blanket rezoning two point oh. Could you maybe pull up page fifteen? Um maybe fifteen of section two point two. This this is the map with uh all the big orange orange. There you go. I'm not gonna enlarge that. So every one of those orange dots, especially if you look down on my area, negating these the growth areas. Everybody in the suburbs, we have our growth areas where there's a ton, ton, ton of density, which is fine. But in this case right here, we're looking at like so Evergreen, Shaughnessy, Woodbine, you're looking at half my ward now is going to be like now all of a sudden, and these are single family neighborhoods, it looks like they're going to be densified, like to the max. And the war on the car accelerated. I I I think we should be taking this, sending it back, coming up with something completely brand new. Um, I don't know what books or planning uh studies that we get these from, if it's from from the New York City or UBC or whichever I'm telling you, it's probably not from uh Arizona or Houston. This is to me uh again. People aren't gonna like this at all. This is massive density. You're not taking into consideration that uh there's already a lot of growth area that's gonna be happening in our in our new communities. Um yeah, just be straight simple. I don't know if we want to need to argue this all day long. We're talking about higher densities than Toronto and Vancouver in this plan. I mean, we are not Toronto or Vancouver. We've got to listen to people. This is Calgary. Let's maybe maybe you admit it to ourselves one time. Maybe start hiring people or maybe they go to schools where they look at planning and say, Oh, maybe this is what some Calgarys are looking for. We just can't keep trying to force this ideology on them that we just, you know, we're not gonna drive cars, we're all gonna live in condos, we're not gonna have backyards. I think someone's maybe gonna bring something later on that we can just send it back. But no rush to do this, kick it down the can for a couple years. This is important. Again, 100% don't like this. Can't uh Councillor Jameson, please. Thank you, Chair. Thank you. That Council McLean alleged uh uh so yes, blanket zoning 2.0. Um, since must have much of this work was completed before this council repeal blanket rezoning, what specific changes were made to the Calgary plan following that decision? What aspects of the feedback that we heard from the repeal hearings ref are reflected today in this plan? Councillor Jameson, thank you. And through the chair, what I want to be really clear about is that the city structure map does not rezone anything. There is no zoning attached to this. What this tells us is that this is what we heard from Calgaryans is density around nodes and corridors. I would say that was a primarily Key message that we heard through rezoning is that density should go around the transit network. And so that's what this plan proposes. The actual built form is determined through the area structure plan or the local area plan and does not mean that every transit station will be built out to its maximum. The market and the local community will form what will happen in these areas. I'm glad that you said that. Uh touching on the LAPs, uh, if a local area plan sets a building scale limit development uh through the community engagement and the Calgary plan policies would allow greater density, which document prefails if there's a conflict? There would unlikely to be a conflict. What happens through the local area plan, and I'd ask Director Goldstein to provide some commentary as well, is that we take this circle around the transit station and it gets refined. And so the local area plan. Would be what the areas on the ground would be. So you Yeah, Councillor Weness. I didn't hear us do an amendment to actually go through our lunch break and previous conversations with this council said we are breaking at lunch and returning. So it's now Yeah, I uh I attempted to to seek general consent. I didn't hear an objection. Let's uh let's paper it and have a motion. Um I we'll bang the gavel now. If you do if you feel you didn't have the opportunity. So I'm sorry, procedurally. Yep. I know that Councillor said previously suggested that we go into close following the the lunch recess, Yep. but I have a bunch of questions I want to get out in the open here before we go into close. So Yeah, my suggestion, uh, Councillor Shabot is that we continue through this open portion into a little bit of lunch, uh into the noon hour in order to get that out. And then when the open questions were concluded, then we could reconvene. But if there's a one I'm trying to raise here. I think we asked per Councillor Wynus, um several of us want to take a lunch break, but I don't think we should conclude the open session. And go into camera until we're got Shabot if I can ask you just to just sit for a moment, I'm gonna conclude with Councillor Wynus. So, Councillor Wynus, point taken. Uh, you didn't have an opportunity earlier to object. Uh can I I what I'll suggest based on this uh is there somebody who wants to make that motion for us to uh allow for uh us to continue through the the noon hour in order to conclude the public questions? If there isn't somebody who wants to make that motion, I'll bang the gavel now and we'll come back in open session, conclude the open questions, and then when those open questions are concluded, uh we'll go into closed session. So If I could I I'm fine to support uh Councillor Wyne S in taking a break. Yep, so I I'm not hearing somebody making a motion to work through the lunch hour. So that means I'm gonna bang this gavel right now. We're gonna be back at uh 118 and we are going to be continuing it in open session. Once the open session questions are concluded, we will uh go into closed session. Everyone understand? Okay, we're good. All right, welcome back to Calgary City Council. Mr. Clerk, please call the roll. Yes, Mr. Mayor. Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Chabot, Present. Councillor Clark, Councillor Dollywall, Councillor Jameson, Councillor Johnson, Yeah. Councillor Kelly, Present. Councillor McClain, Councillor Pairs. Thank you. Councillor Pantazopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Mayor Farkas. I'm here. And Councillor Clark is here too. All right. I I think we last heard from Councillor McLean and next in the queue was Councillor Jameson. Yeah. Thank you, Chair. Just uh hi there. A few more questions. Um Under under the Calgary Plan's activity zone designations, how do the maximum building heights and density targets compare to what was permitted under RCG blanket rezoning? Or zoning, sorry. So I'm just gonna start us off. I'll leave the details to to my two colleagues here, but I'm just gonna do a high-level reminder that the municipal development plan, the draft Calgary plan is policy. The zoning bylaw, the land use bylaw that we have is very different, and that is the document that's going to set the specific rules around development. So just I wanted just to make sure that that's clear, and then I'll turn it over to Andrew or Kathy. Thank you. And through the chair. So the municipal development plan or the Calgary Plan speaks to building height only. And so the number of stories that could be built, it does not speak to if that is a single detached home or if it is a row home. That is identified through the zoning bylaw and the land use. That's applied through land use change. I understand, okay, yeah. I do understand that it isn't technically rezoning, but here's um the crux here. Um Once it's adopted, uh the plan directs areas to achieve 150 people and jobs per hectare with no maximum. So can you explain how this is not a blanket rezoning in the specific zones for greater density in practice? So again, Councillor, through the chair, the municipal development plan sets the high level citywide vision and policy direction. And maybe I'll ask maybe we could have clerks bring up the same slides that you went through, Andrew. So um Attachment three. Attachment three, slide. The Westbrook example. Slide seven, please. And so I'll have Andrew Palmier walk you through that again, Councillor, as to how they relate and be super clear that policy does not change anything on the ground. There is no rezoning with the municipal development plan. And I think this is a perfect example to sort of try to demonstrate that to you because at the highest level, the Calgary plan suggests this is a high activity area. And the local area plan process then delineates what parcels or what blocks are ultimately going to receive the density. And the example that I showed. Ended up in six stories. And that was refined through the LAP. And even the the building scales within the Calvary plan, it's important and they stack into each other. So if you are uh the high area, which is 26 or less, the or less is important because it can be six stories and it still complies with the Calvary Plan. The whole idea is it's a statement of intent for further refinement and discussion. It doesn't give you development rights. It does not result in an automatic rezoning process. It is actually just a statement of we're near a catchment of an LRT or a bus or BRT. We now need to work with the community to figure out where transitions need to occur, where the density can actually happen in an appropriate way to minimize impact and to preserve community context. And if I may, I I would also add that the 150 that you referenced is both people and jobs. And so this could be around retail locations. So if we look at Westbrook, there is a Walmart, for example, within this catchment. That would be counted towards that density calculation. Okay, thank you. On to Councillor Shabot, please. thank you. Um I have uh a few points that I wanted to at least raise um in the MDP section 2.1.1, um subsection G. It says highest densities of housing employment, use of shops, services, and other amenities should be located within 400 meters of existing or planned primary transit network. Whilst I know that this is a policy that previous councils had sort of established as the preferred distance from the primary transit networks as being supportive for higher density type housing, what I personally heard from some of my communities is they while they support the concept of higher density development in close proximity to transit and the primary transit network, their idea of close proximity is not necessarily what our idea of close proximity and I was going to suggest that we consider Amending that 400 meters to 200 meters here and on in close proximity to LRT where it we list 600 meters to maybe scale that back to 400 meters. Again, I know it's not in alignment with what previous council direction was on it, but these are the kind of things that I heard from some of my communities. And also on page 11 of the same section, it says growth investments in redeveloping areas should be prioritized over growth growth investments in developing areas. It kind of begs the question who's going to pay for the upgrades in the infrastructure to accommodate it. In the developing areas, we know that off site levies are primarily responsible for paying upgrades to the infrastructure. In the developed areas, if we prioritize them with regards to growth infrastructure, and of course, the general public's perception of should. This is not necessarily the same perception that we have internally. Should is to be interpreted as shall unless you can demonstrate uh that it cannot be delivered. So to me this says will, shall. It doesn't say shall, but it says should and should is to be interpreted as shall, which is why I'm I'm raising the point here that while I think they should both equally be given priority, whatever the whatever meets the need. We shouldn't be prioritizing one over the other. We should be taking both into consideration into consideration. Equally from my perspective. And I just wanted to highlight that and whether or not council agrees with that. Maybe you want to comment to that, Miss Davis. Certainly. So first we'll address the 600 and 400 meters. A couple of things, uh, those are the existing policies that we have today in our transit-oriented development strategy and in route ahead. And so happy to have a discussion about what that how that plays out. Um thinking about the 200, I think we have to be really uh alive to the fact that we around transit oriented developments, we want to have like a gentle scale up of density so we don't go from A single residential. Sorry to interrupt. So TOD you're referring to LRT specifically? I'm referring to the the neighborhood high activity. So it'd be LRT and BRT. So then that that's the 600 meters, right? That's 600. Yeah. And so to allow for Transitional. transitional allowances, then you know you need a sufficient distance to do that. Okay. So that's one consideration. And at the 200 meter scale, the same thing would apply. If you went from 400 to 200, that uh are you do you have sufficient transitional space to allow for that? So you're not going from a single detached to a tower, perhaps beside you. All I can say is 400 meter shot is a long shot. It's a long ways away. Yeah, happy to have that conversation, Councillor Chabot. If that's Council's will, then certainly able to look at that. And then if I may address your um prioritization point, that is the existing policy in the municipal development plan to prioritize um infrastructure in its established area. This is a new It is. right. Yes. So that's why I'm I'm planting this seed here now. Whether or not it takes root is a whole nother question. I'm just Absolutely. Happy to have the conversation and listen to the perspectives of uh Thanks. Um under uh housing 2.1.2 it says um as rapidly grows and growing an increasingly diverse city and evolving demands, blah blah blah, Calgary housing supply must offer options to meet the needs of Calgary Hous. For me, that's just too strong of a word. If it said should here, again, it implies shall. Unless you can demonstrate otherwise. To me, this must statement is too strong here, in my opinion. But and so Councillor, the preamble is not policy. okay. So, but we're again open to wording suggestions. Yeah, sure, it's preamble. But again, it sets the stage. And so for me, it should be reflective of what our intent is, as opposed to making it a very hard and fast rule. It implies a hard and fast rule. Um there's a number of things that I think council may want to revisit in regards to the housing. Uh preamble here, including the chart on the bottom, the housing continuum. Because the housing continuum here, it goes from homeless to shelters to transitional housing to social housing, affordable rental, affordable home ownership. There are things that are certainly within the control of council. I don't think necessarily that all of them should be within the control of council or that council necessarily is responsible for. Delivering on every one of these things. While this doesn't state that, it the the implication here is that if it's stated in this document, it sort of implies that we're responsible. So not sure how that can be amended to be more reflective of what it is that we can directly impact, but I think it's something that needs to be considered. I'm again I'm mostly trying to make some statements here rather than then trying to create arguments or or necessarily asking for a response, but um there's other places in the document, neighborhood high activity, as we pointed out, the 400 versus 600 meters. And also the under this was raised by another one of my colleagues. To achieve intensities greater than 150 people and jobs per gross developable acre, again, there's a I think there's a maybe a concern in regards to this. I get it that the MDP is the hierarchy document that that everything has to fall um. Under that, with regards to any subservient documents, IELEPs can't have a higher density than than the MDP, right? The MDP has to have the highest level potential. Is that correct? Yes, I believe that is correct, Councillor Chabon. I might ask Wilver Sir. To maybe come up and speak to just from a league, because this has come up a couple of times, these questions. So just from a legal perspective, Ms. Wilberser, if you can and Ms. Goldstein can share a practical application, but speak to the hierarchy of the plans. Yeah, so the the MGA nowadays provides us a bit more guidance than it used to, and it does clearly say that MDPs are in some sense above ARPs and ASPs, the LAPs and the ASPs as we call them now, area structure plans and local area plans. And it says that the local area plans and the area structure plans can't be inconsistent with the MDP. And in the case of an inconsistency, MDP would prevail. But I think we always have to keep in mind that there's a difference, I would say, between a distinction and an inconsistency. So typically what we look for is whether you can comply with two things or not. But in your situation, I would by and large agree with Deb that the MDP needs to allow for something, and then the AER, the local area plan may ratchet it down, but we typically don't allow for something more. But depending on what someone's looking for, we can search for language that may allow for things if need be. So I would say generally what she said is what I would support. Yeah, it's uh it's listed under neighborhood high activity policies as that 150, and I think under another section, I think it's a lower threshold, like something like 70. So, Councillor Shabeau, what that would give us is the guidance as a place of looking at our local area plans. And if you can put up slide seven again, I think it's really, really clear here because there are two bubbles like that, one around Shaganapi Station and one around Westbrook Station. You can see the two little white dots there. But if you look at the middle image, those transit-oriented development areas look vastly different in the scale that they're being applied. So exactly the same context in Calgary Plan, but made completely different through the local area plan. And that's because it reflects the context. So section 4.3 of the local area plans as they stand today literally says where an amendment or any other part of the planning application that comes in, it must comply with the municipal development plan and it must be consistent with the municipal development plan, but can be more restrictive than the municipal development plan. And that's So that's why you see the difference between those two scales on that middle image. yeah, that's the way I understood it as well. I just wanted to confirm that. Um thank you for that. The um the other concern that I had is something that came up in committee. Um in regards to the flood hazard uh areas, uh the high hazard flood areas. Uh of course, um committee decided uh that we wanted to have further engagement on it. Of course, this policy under 2.3.7 is reflective more so of what the original bylaw was that was being proposed. So not sure. I I assume that we're gonna look at amending this at some point. So, Councillor Chabot, I had flagged that myself as something that we need to address pending the work that's to come. Okay, thanks. I just wanted to. Make sure that we didn't lose sight of that. I suspected you probably had already noticed that yourselves. The one that concerned me was on page 40 under land policies. Specifically, the 18 meter development setback should be applied from the top of slope of ravines. Is that is where did that number come from? Is that an existing policy? I don't recall that much of a setback from top of bank or top of ravine. Perhaps um we'll ask Miss Dillon to come up and see if she can address that. Thank you. Hi there, uh through your worship. Uh to answer your question, that 15 meter setback is a policy in the existing municipal development plan. And we undertook some research about the origin of that one, and it dates back to the 1980s. So it's been in a few MDP. 18 meters, right? 18? No. Yeah, I thought you said I'm sorry, yes, 18. Thank you. okay, sorry. So then so back to 1990s. 1980s. Yeah. So That was the earliest reference we found to that. yeah. I I I still don't know what the rationale was, but certainly like to dig more into that. If it's slope stability issues or something, geotechnical, you don't know. I I can help clarify that because as we were investigating it, because that did come up as we were reviewing the existing policies of the municipal development plan. And it comes from views of the escarpments in Calgary and to when you're on like the Fish Creek Pathway, or if you're walking along the river pathway, that you have a view up to the escarp. If it's far enough back, you won't see the homes. Yeah. All right, that makes sense. Um the uh under f uh urban forestry. Um so recently I was at FCM. Uh Federation of Canadian Municipalities uh function in Edmonton and uh I happen to notice while walking down the street that there are trees in the middle of sidewalks, like lots of trees in the middle of sidewalks. And and yet we have had issues with uh with our trees in close proximity to our sidewalks, but they don't have the problem we have. Now, I don't know if it's because they have vaults underneath that allows for more. Uh uh root growth or whatnot, but this section here it says the city should invest in tree plantings on city owned lands. Um I'm just wondering whether or not that means that we would also look at incorporating more into the public realm, but using a different method that we're currently using. And does this cover that? So, Councillor Shabot, this um what you're talking about would be addressed through our street manual, our design guidelines, and that this would take direction from this policy. Yeah, I don't recall us talking too much about tree vaults recently. I know we had in the past, but I know through the development permits we we talk about tree vaults and what that looks like. So we can take that back to the urban forestry team and talk to them. And if they don't know what Edmonton does, we will find out what Edmonton does. I think it'd be nice to clarify it. I think it's something that would be would add value in our MDP, at least making reference to it. Yeah, this one is um uh general mobility. Um there's some things here that I I think are gonna be challenging to try and implement. And I don't like to make reference to something that may not be deliverable. Um cities should develop and operate a safe and accessible interconnected mobility system that enables mobility travel options in all parts of the city in all seasons at all times of day. Like, wow, we're setting ourselves up for. It's for a f for failure here because I don't know how it is that we can actually make those kind of commitments. I I I just I don't know. Maybe maybe it's I'm being overly scrutinous of the document by you know pointing those kind of things out because we are a winter city when we have major snowstorms, can't be expected to have our roads and pathways kept clear at all times of the day every day. I understand your perspective on that. I listen, uh aspirational, sure. Uh and it ties back into something that uh GM um Elton and I had over lunch about about things like the uh affordable housing element and the fifteen percent of it. Um that it should read rather that we would it should provide fifteen percent, it should encourage fifteen percent because should imply shall. Um and I I'm not sure that. It's something that we want to mandate as a requirement without providing some of that flexibility. Yeah, I I noted something on page 57 only because again at FCMI I noticed that there's new technology out there for outdoor toilets, like year round toilets, and they have non water um non water serviced solutions for year round um uh outdoor washrooms. I I I know it's not really something you want to incorporate in here, but I don't know if it's possible to incorporate something like that into this document. But I think I think it's something worth visiting or worth considering. And even if that means in adding it under section under page 57, accessible, inclusive, and all season public washrooms and drinking fountains should be provided in highly used areas of parks. I think there'd be certainly some value in having at least publicly accessible. Uh washrooms year-round, but not necessarily having water services within those facilities. And Councillor Shabot, um you're speaking to innovation as well with new technologies. I think a lot of that comes through design guidelines and service plans, and so happy to take away that thinking as well with this one. Um, the only other thing that really stands out for me, and it's something that Andrew s uh stated in his in his submission when he was talking about developing versus developed. You did indicate that in 2025 that something like what you said, 46% was in the developed area and 54% in developing. Is that I would believe it was 54 and 46. Okay, and whichever however that plays out into which was what. Um I I think the issue that I have here, and it's it's uh an attachment three, and I'm sure it's incorporated within the rest of the document, when we look at the cumulative total um to be 5050, and that's this is where uh there's maybe not a clear understanding of what the intent was here. It what basically it says is that at the end of the period, that everything that's been built up to that point, developing and developed, will equal out. So as long as we are not meeting the 50-50 target, we create a backlog. It's like a bow wave, except a reverse bow wave. And so we haven't hit the 50-50 target up until recently. So there's a deficit that's been accumulated, which means at some point in time there's gonna have to be some correction the other way. That's I'm just wondering whether or not there's some value in revisiting that and rebasing our numbers based on the reality of what has happened in the last little while and and be more uh forward-looking in regards to our objectives and and put the past behind us. We didn't achieve 50-50, we've created a deficit. It's going to be virtually impossible to make up that deficit in the future without going completely the other way. 90% in the developed area, 10% in the greenfield, which I don't think is realistic. If we want to continue to meet the needs of new Calgarians moving to the city, that's why I'm asking should we not consider rebasing our numbers? Based on today's reality. S so maybe Councillor Chabot, a couple of things with the indicator on balanced growth. The current MDP calls for 50% of the population. The indicator in the Calgary plan calls for 50% of new housing units. And so that's a shift. It's not about population, it's about number of units. Yeah. So new housing units is worse. Makes it worse. Well, there have been years we've been close, I will I will say. Yeah. And so the cumulative part is the difficult part that I see on a go forward basis and trying to achieve that 50 50 at the end of that period. And and to me, people housing, housing, which is probably harder to achieve than people. Because people through TOD type development, you can achieve a lot of density, a lot of people in a small footprint, maybe just one DP. put this a lot of people in one development. We're seeing a um a decreasing trend in number of people per unit, which is what drove this change. Anyways, uh that pretty much covers most of them. There's other ones that that I can go over when we have one on ones are not as critical, but those are the ones that I really wanted to highlight. Thank you for that. Okay. Over to Councillor Wynus, please. thanks. Um the the fifty fifty goal of units, how are we gonna manage the different um economical conditions? So like you may be building like China's GDP built on just building empty cities. Like are we setting ourselves up to go down a path where we're just building and not actually servicing a population in our community. Councillor, we need a bit of clarification. So so you she j she just answered that part of the fifty fifty was about creating units of the urban center versus greenfield. And if you're doing units as a build out but you don't have a market to actually house people, having that as a goal is like a challenge both ways is challenging. Is it people and forcing people to go into an area they don't want to live or is it just building for building's sake? Certainly we can't require the market to build units, and so it is about what are the other strategies that we have in place. Um and so 50 50 would be the target regardless of how many housing starts we have. And um I do have a chart, clerks in the supplemental slides. Called Balanced Growth Indicator, if bring that up. This is a look back to 2009 and the trend that we've seen and in up and down markets. So the pink being the number or percentage of units in redeveloping areas and the gray in developing areas. So certainly we've seen more growth of units in developing areas over the last 17 years. That has resulted in an increase of infrastructure. and costs. And so when we think about our economic outcome and the measure around the asset base, the uh sorry, I'm losing it. Sorry. Assessment. The the asset, the uh per capita, asset per capita, we are seeing a a growing an increase in the um cost per capita of assets. Sorry, the value per Assessment done. replacement value per capita. Which is borne out through utility rates and property tax. And so what we're trying to do here is both provide for choice of housing across the city and ensure that we're financially sustainable while we're doing it. Yeah and and even when I read that Um financially sustainable of our areas. I was I was a little bit challenged by us stating that, given I've asked questions in the past about what was the city's replacement plan for infrastructure for communities. And it seemed like first in development of certain areas or certain sizes led to infrastructure replacement. Like Marteloup's a prime example where industry was leading the replacement of infrastructure, not the city leading through a replacement of a pipe. And so while I read that in this plan, I see failures in other uh thought processes in the city or or pro for actually making it true. And that's my challenge. Even when I look at 2025 and you're 54 or 46, I feel like part of that's coming from the fact that we were using $100 million of taxpayer money to incentivize office conversions. Because as soon as office conversions happen, you have the units go flood the market. And if the tax money wasn't there, I think that number would would look very different for an urban cent the downtown Unit count versus suburban growth. So I think I think you've hit on something really important is a plan that we can implement. And what are the other tools and levers that council wishes to use to achieve these outcomes or the outcomes that we end up with? And so I'll maybe point to Franklin Station as an example where the city did go ahead and invest in infrastructure upgrades to enable more housing. And so if that's sort of the approach that we would want to take to make sites more market ready, then certainly we could do that. You're pushing a button again because like as I read this document, I had the viewpoint that this was a document created for the city to work against industry. So municipal government is actually here to create incentivizing policies to get the outcome we desire. Yet in my last term, It was the city competing with industry. You look at our TOD site development. We're using CMLC to build out TOD sites rather than incentivizing community like industry to actually build out. We're downtown conversions, taxpayer incentives. We're not writing policy that will allow industry to actually have a clear map for delivering the product without taxpayers having to pay for it. We're failing to use our policy lever at this stage of government, and instead we're writing it for. us to be the applicant for planning. And that's where I'm really challenged with this document. Councillor Weinas through the chair, very happy to meet with you one-on-one. This Calgary plan is supposed to be it's our desire for it to be an enabling document. So if there's things that you're seeing that are not helping in that direction, we're happy to have that discussion with you and learn more. Yeah, like even to what Councillor Shiboa just talked about, 2.1.2. Uh the must of market and non market housing. Again, who's taking the the the cut on non market housing? Someone always has to you have a land value. You either have city giving away land, I really think it should be a lease out program. Um And putting that in them as a must in this document is going to lead to that expectation. Okay, if you have greenfield and you're out there, does the greenfield developer have to provide that must? And do we give them tax money in replace? Are we going to buy it or are they just expected to provide it? Again, uh having been through this housing the last four years, I also am challenged by the federal government policy shifts on us and how uh Their goals and their incentives lead to this. I can look at CMHC stats that support that some of the pro policies that have been enacted by the federal government have actually led to more commercial owning of houses, and therefore, when no matter how much we talk about affordability in here, the federal program is actually backstopping commercial ownership of housing and not affordable housing for people. And again, and ownership for people. So when we have a document that is Not acknowledging data that we're we're not solving the problem. And I I get challenged by writing policy on that one. Um and some of our goals. So we're gonna have to talk about goals and outcomes. I I talked a little bit with you yesterday about the challenges I see with our goals. Yeah. Shabot covered quite a bit of what I wanted to cover. Uh and then when we're on flood, are you using the flood policy work that council has yet to approve in this document that was already pro proposed, or are you? Using the old flood plan prior to the one that was presented to council. So we had flagged that the language that's in the draft plan is not congruent with what Infrastructure and Planning Committee. had dire had directed administration to look at. So that is something that we would align once that policy is confirmed. And then I think there's three different times you used live work, shop, live work, visit, play, celebrate, and there's a third one I didn't write down. Um again, I I find it challenging to read like those campaign slogans in a policy document. It's what in four or eight years, depending on a campaign, will we have to reshift this plan? We need to make a plan that. Stands the test of time, not campaign slogans worked into it, uh, because I find that challenging. And oh, the other one I have is in your uh conflicts between plans, will we be updating if the new community planning guidebook is at odds? Because the new community if the there's inconsistencies between the Calgary plan and the new community planning guidebook, the Calgary plan trumps. So then that really does showcase that we either have to get the plan More right for what council expects and then update that plan because Yeah. the new community guidebook is already making very good communities. So the new community many of the policies in the new community guidebook have been implemented, have been incorporated into the Calvary Plan, which is part of how we've streamlined things. So where policies need to be rescinded or amended to align with the final Calgary Plan document, we would ensure that that is brought forward as future amendments. I have a lot of commentary on the downtown but uh section of this, but I'll I'll save that for later. Thanks. All right, uh Councillor Panasopoulos, please. Thanks so much. Certainly have lots and lots of questions on specifics, but I'm gonna try to keep it really sort of high level and and str sort of strategic just as it relates to the document. Um the first is around the must, should, and may. Must is very clear. We must have infrastructure that works. May a nice to have. Maybe just speak to should. What does that mean? Is it 99 times out of a hundred? Is it every now and then? What is that sort of defining term? So maybe I'll start and if Andrew wants to. So I'll just refer to attachment to page 9 of 96 where the policy language is defined and should mean the policy applies to all situations unless it can be clearly demonstrated to the satisfaction of the city that the policy is not reasonable. And so it's hard to speculate on specific instances, but it is really guidance to our Our staff in terms of evaluating plans and proposals and applications and using this policy along with local area plans or other bylaws to help them arrive at a recommendation or decision. The onus would be on the applicant or counsel to say, hey, this is um, you know, uh what was the term? Ex uh not reasonable or practical. Like like it's it's essentially more often than not. Like you you you'd be the onus on on the individuals if you're under An administration who would identify that as a barrier. Yeah, through the local area plan. the So if If we define so for example, I'll just use a hypothetical example. Beg your pardon? I'll use a hypothetical example. If we are looking at development in a node that the geography doesn't allow for that to happen, that would be something that we could clearly point to and say we would not develop on this site because of these geographic or or topographic considerations. Thanks for that. The one map, I think it's um developing versus redeveloping areas. And and I only how is it defined? How are we coming to the conclusion of which areas are my apologies, it's on page um attachment two uh Page uh 73 of 90, page 69, I guess. Uh yeah, there it is. So the the dark orange to the yellow? How did we define that? These are defined terms in the in the glossary. So developing areas, these are areas defined as developing on map eight. Growth in these areas are usually on vacant land at the city's edge where urban development is occurring for the first time. And if we go on the plan to redeveloping areas, the area identified as redeveloping on map eight, these are typically areas where the first generation of urban development is largely complete. Growth in these areas usually occurs through redevelopment of existing buildings and already developed lands. And just look at Ward 6 and any particular reason why communities built in the 60s are considered? Like I'm just looking at sort of the glens. Um that one jumped up at me. Uh you know, there's some communities in the south that were built in the 2000s that are considered. Redeveloping areas. So was there some metric? Was there 90% of the lots are developed, etc.? I I think of my neighborhood where I live. It's built out 15, 20 years ago. So just was there some sort of metric, like a data 82%, some threshold? There is, and it's a typical build out, and it's often when there's um just about 50 vacant lots left. And so that It flips from a developing area to a redeveloping area. It doesn't mean that it's going to redevelop. It just changes from an area that is developing under a sort of a master development agreement to it's more at the individual parcel level. This is a one on one, but it's an area like Strathcona hasn't had 50 lots since 1996. But that that's a fair. We can we can that's a very specific, so I'll bring that. We can take a look at that Yeah, absolutely. No, that'll take that. current as it needs to be. No street. So back to the the the 25. Um the end the MDP had a basically an aspirational goal of the 25. Um units per hectare or acre? I was getting mixed up. Units per hectare. So 25. So just just maybe the um MDP had sort of an aspirational. This is sort of a hard to jump. I think we came into at 20. Maybe speak to today where we're at, and to get to 25 across the city. Is it even plausible building any single family homes, or does it all have to be more dense than single family? So in our new communities, we are Beg your pardon? in our new communities we are seeing densities above 25 units per hectare, and that includes a significant amount of single residential units. So we're so but it's accumulative across the city, so then the the light yellow areas. Um the the new the develop Developing areas are exceeding 25 already. right Yeah, we're seeing 27 27 to 30 units per hectare on current applications. so it's backing in essentially go ahead Sorry, my apologies. Uh the 25 units per hectare only applies to developing areas. It doesn't apply to developed areas. So it's only to the greenfield communities. And those communities are currently being developed at 26-27 units per hectare. So we're meeting them at the densities they're currently building. one guiding principle the document later says develop developing and redeveloping are treated identical. So so there's sir there is an exception. So I could find the point, I think it's like appendix seven or eight. It says we treat identical, there's no differentiation. So there is some differentiation between developing and redeveloping. Yes, in in each of the neighborhood activity areas, the first policy, the first two policies, one addresses developing and one develop uh is redeveloping. So they're they each have their own policy statement under the activity areas. I would believe part of that statement though, too, was um it was in my presentation, was the idea that whether it's a developing area or it's redeveloping, that we take advantage of transit, that we look at uh diversity of housing types and options across the city. That's specifically where we were referencing that we're treat we're not treating them differently anymore. We want to take advantage of transit, we want to take advantage of having a diversity of housing options. But with the developing areas is the 25 units per hectare, which industry is already exceeding. And Councillor Pantozopoulos, our redeveloping areas are averaging about 17 units per hectare, Current status. current status. Got it. So any redevelopment. Okay. Okay. The couple questions to take off offline. Maybe engagement. You know, 47,600, give or take Calgary's is a lot. We saw a black line from the 2024 version to today, uh, 30 months. Maybe just speak to the engagement. Um, what was fundamentally changed? You know, ultimately we had an election, we had a repeal of blanket rezoning. What did the plan from the black line to today's uh what material changes can you sort of point to and say, wow, based on The 10,000 or 20,000 Kelgarans we spoke to changed. I didn't read a lot of change, but uh sometimes reading black lines is difficult. Thank you, please. Uh uh through your worship, thank you for the question. Yeah, um specifically since the uh We the last engagement period, the big headlines that we heard from engagement was context, street trees, infrastructure. So we made surgical amendments, and you're absolutely correct, there wasn't a ton of amendments, but we specifically added one new policy under the growth section 2.1.1 about ensuring new development aligns with the context of the area that it is developing in. We also added another context policy under the site design section later in the plan, again, reinforcing what we heard from the community that each community is unique and has unique considerations that development needs to respond to. So we added a policy about that. And additionally, we have been hearing a lot of concern about infrastructure keeping pace with growth. So we added a policy in the growth section specifically addressing that, and another one in chapter five addressing aligning life cycle improvements with growth and ensuring that we're managing our asset portfolio sustainably and meeting the needs of Calgarians. We also added a couple policies, one under neighborhood high activity and one under neighborhood moderate activity, about public spaces keeping pace with growth. We've been hearing a lot of concerns from communities about parks and green spaces and the extra pressure, extra population places on them. So we added that. We added in a policy about street trees. That was one of the character defining elements we hear from a lot of communities that they're worried about the urban canopy and the greenness of their community disappearing. So we added another policy there. Oh, and we changed a couple I'm sorry, um we changed a couple parking policies as well in response to what we've been hearing from the public. Instead of having uh We added a policy wording that talks about parking, specifically on-street parking, meeting the needs of residents, visitors, and businesses, as well as having the development authority, which would be the city of Calgary, determine parking provision. That that's really good in the next community. Um, you know, one thing we heard through election blanket rezoning was community context, and it's been referenced a lot. And it comes to saying you'll you'll get it at LAP. But we had our legal team very clearly state but LAP is subservient, if you will, to the MDP. And and there's lots of referencings you know through the document about redeveloping, developing the same. So so maybe just just just with that. We're treating communities identical. It's 600 meters, no if, ands, or buts. There's an exception, uh a should, you have to now prove why um there. Community clearly wanted that local context. It feels subservant. Maybe just talk to where in this document does it codify that you know community, the voice is important. It's not a secondary, as long as you meet the MDP, if there's ever contradictory, like where does that come up? That that would have come through the engagement that we really want local context. So just speak to that where that sort of jumps in there. That community voice is heard, it has a powerful voice, and it's not a if you meet these 10 criteria, eh, we'll think about it. Where does it jump up and where did I miss that? Absolutely. Thank you through your worship. There are The two context policies that I mentioned in my previous summary, and then we do have a section in the end of the plan about engagement and particularly the local area planning process. And how we were thinking about it as we were going through the detailed comments from the public was that the municipal development plan, Calgary Plan's role is really stressing that context needs to be considered in development, and then the local area planning role is to define what that unique character is that is specific to that community. So, how we can ensure those two plans speak to those two different scales, and that chapter five content about local area planning as well as engagement with the public is intended to ensure that commitment to that conversation. Maybe Tid Midden, would would you use the words must? Could we change that through the documents when it comes to community? And how would that materially change? Right now I think it's a may or should, like I know engagement was a may, should, I can't think of the item, but make it a must, local context must, which then carries a higher level of requirement. Any how does that materially change? What you think this document will achieve? So Councillor Pantozopoulos, um if those are the sorts of things that we'd be looking for council to provide some direction on, um happy to have that conversation further. Um and there is the maybe I'll just add on. Page 74 of 96, attachment two, there is the planning and redeveloping areas, local area plans policy. That may be a good area to consider if there's strength and language that you would that council would like. Thank you so much. Maybe just uh two more. Um the the 40% transportation goal, I think it's walking, wheeling, and transit, I believe. Um right now we're 80 plus percent um costing. You know, how what is that gonna require to get there as we grow to a city of two million plus? Um the ridership goes up and the 40%, you know, we have to go from 80 something to 40. Like what does that look like? What does our transit needs become? Do we need, heaven forbid, Councillor Yule, a green line up to the north someday? Do we need two green lines? Do we need 50 million riders on C train? It's a hundred million. Is that something we can speak to today? Like we need an exponential, because that will govern where our capital goes. We need to quadruple our transit ridership to get those goals. Could you could you speak to So I don't have those specifics today, happy to dig into that a little bit further. What I would say is plans like route ahead would help to identify the how we get there and then what the priorities would be. We're also going to start to look at a broader transportation service plan that would sort of be an accom uh an appendium or companion document to Root ahead for all the other modes. lots of chat about after? And then maybe just the sort of the goals and objectives. Um page 86. My apologies, I had it up here, but it disappeared on me. You know, the ones that speak about 100,000 people downtown, um uh 22 percent uh indicators, yeah, indicators and monitoring. Um most, if not all, are about people, the environment, and we have three criteria people, environment, economy, or business, or I think it was economy. Um just just curious. I think the only one was uh um assessed value increasing, so the uh attachment to page 84. The only financial a taxable assessment value comes into a monitoring indicator and yeah, the the true sort of indicators, what are we working towards? Maybe just speak to that. How these were chosen. I think I heard referencing while it was sort of in the last MD or the current MDP, so we took it. So maybe maybe not one by one, but just sort of directionally, why were financial metrics excluded? And if we were to help get our goals, what could be some? Is it GDP growth? Is it income? I yeah, I just would love a little where these came from and then where uh the financial ones being excluded. So I think maybe I'll just step back and start with this again as a land use and mobility policy, and so looking at indicators that tell us whether or not the policies are achieving. Those sorts of outcomes. Happy to take a look at other economic indicators, some of which would perhaps live in Calgary Economic Development Strategy and be suited well for that specific, like a shorter term outcome. The key piece with the land that we looked at, and invite Mr. Lee to comment as well, is that residential non residential split, which really begins to talk about land productivity and ensuring that we have a good balance. Eddie, if there's anything you'd like to add, thank you. Yeah, one of the things that uh is is important, of course, is uh financial sustainability. And the Calgary Plan uh talks a lot about that in terms of when we are developing growth, we are ensuring that the growth is contiguous, that we've got existing infrastructure there uh where where possible. So uh as as well as protecting our industrial areas that uh as we know pay uh uh significantly more property tax than than our residential. So that is part of that uh measuring in terms of where that assessment uh proportion between residential and non residential is, to in part to ensure that we do continually have a financial sustainable city. I I just, you know, I take a an exception, but uh, we disagree that, you know, this is a land use planning document. The in the economy goal we talk about economic participation and opportunity. That has nothing to do with land use. A hub for industrial and regional growth, possibly, diversification, you know, wanting solar on on homes and things like this is very broad, and that's great if we're gonna do that. So I think we need to um You know, we can't narrowly think about certain outcomes on land, but when you speak to a city that attracts people and investment, okay, we have to think about that. What is our metric? The economy goal, the economics is clear and a goal, but again, something we can take away, but just want to plant the seed. And then maybe just finally the check in. Um, you know, I love the close your eyes and take you back 20 years, and um the calories changed a lot in five years, 19, 17 years. Um maybe just talk through you know the 10 year. Should we check in every five years? The world was very different in five years. We were in masks and the city was one point something, and now we're We're flying high and uh we're almost two million and then so on and so forth. So maybe that that and again if strategically a 30-year plan, a check-in every five years or something like that versus 30 and sort of let it run for 10, just as we grow and develop, and your observations last 17 years. Would we have been better off as a city checking in every five years or has the 17 years served us well? And a 10 year is still pretty good. 10 years is uh best practice in terms of renewing this high level of a document. I think the annual or biennial uh indicators is a good check in through the budget process that tells us are we on track and if there are tactics or levers that council can employ to course correct if needed. It does, it's a significant lift to do this amount of policy work. And for that reason, 10 years is appropriate. Other changes, the tactics, the implementation plans can be done through other strategies. Part of the beauty of having a 30 year plan is that it's intended to weather and be resilient through shocks and cyclical changes in the city. And so it is built with that in mind. Perfect. Yeah, lots of specifics, but looking forward to we'll get into that at uh later date. Thank you so much, Mayor. Thank you. Uh Deputy Mayor Tyrus, please. Yes, thanks, Chair. Apologies, I might have the pages wrong on here. It says page 63, but it's probably the Adobe document, not the numbers at the bottom. Councillor, if you can just clarify if it's it's yeah, I've got 85 of 96 or 81. So just let us know which Okay, so this is page 63, just discussing the municipal civic uh facilities. And it says here Section F that they should be co-located either with a single building or site or with other complementary uses while preserving operational requirements, including other uses such as housing, childcare, urban agriculture, et cetera. I was just wondering does that refer to fire stations? And things like that? It it can, yes. It's all civic facilities. And so it could be either co-located in the same parcel of land or as individual buildings Yeah. or stacked into one building or more. Okay. So an example I'll give you is the Westbrook. I know we're talking a lot about Westbrook today. Or like varsity, for instance, the one that we just opened has housing in it. Okay, perfect. Okay, so I can un I understand what it's talking about now. What I want to make sure is that this doesn't get in the way of actu us actually building fire stations. Anecdotally, I've heard that there have been uh fire stations that have kind of been put on hold because they don't have that co-location. Um so I want to make sure that we're we're building the facilities that we need, but we're not waiting for other things. Like it would be nice if we could add the other things, but that's not holding back the process. What I can tell you is administration is working together to ensure that we're not holding up critical infrastructure that needs to serve communities. Okay, thanks. Um, what else do we have here? Oh municipal revenues from parking fees. Uh what is this? Page 56, section H says municipal revenues from parking fees may be reinvested in the areas where they were collected to support transit, walking, wheeling, and community-led investments in public realm. Um I just feel like parking fees should be invested in parking. Like are they not how are they currently invested? Maybe ask either General Manager Radke or COO Morgan to comment on that, please. Thanks. Uh sure. So parking fees uh generally they come back into general revenue and they're allocated through the budget process. Uh it's a coffee cost recovery basis overall for parking, but generally that would come back and then council can allocate as see fit as they see fit. Okay, because parking is a big deal, especially downtown. You're looking for the perfect parking spot. You want to make sure that the city is also investing money in our parking as well. So I was I was concerned to see that it was going to be supporting walking and wheeling and things like that. It's like, no, we need we need parking. Yeah, and that's net revenue. So all of the cost of providing that parking is covered, and then the net revenues come back to general um revenue. Okay. Moving on. Oh, uh page 52, section B. The capacity of existing streets and networks should be optimized before expansion is considered. If um so it says here if expansion is warranted, priority is given to sustainable travel options. What does this mean in reality? Like, are we stopping streets from being built when we're building communities? Um that also brought me a lot of concern because. Um, there are a lot of communities that we build and they just don't have those sustainable travel options available. So my interpretation of this, and I'd look to my colleagues if the if you wish to add in, is that this is really about using the infrastructure that we have to maximize the number of trips. And so it might be things like operational changes that would be made to before we start to invest in new infrastructure. Are there operational changes that could be made to create better flow of traffic, for example? Okay, but we're still gonna be prioritizing building roads as we're expanding like our communities? Yes, we need roads. Yeah. Okay, good. We'll build roads, but we want to optimize the roads before we widen them, is what this is actually also driving towards. The capacity should be optimized before expanding and widening a road is considered. Okay, yes. And I'm glad that you brought up winding widening um the roads. Um, in speaking with firefighters, they had concerns that emergency vehicle access was a problem with roads. Are we making sure that those roads are able to um be used by emergency vehicles? I don't know the term for which we are. Bring the thing out and then they brace it. I don't know the term either, but I know exactly what you're just saying. Where they brace the for the ladders, right? Yes. Um, they were saying that a lot of these new streets that are being built don't have like the capacity and like the room for um that kind of thing. We wanna make sure that that's kept in mind. So our design standards and specs would ensure that that happens and that we do work closely with the fire department to ensure that their vehicles work within the street design. There are specific policies on page 52 of 96. That uh policies J and K speak to unobstructed access for emergency services. Okay. Oh I I suppose um uh the creation of the the firefighter uh commission or I I guess committee will help uh um get that information to us more readily um when it comes to making sure that we are building roads that uh where pro priority is given to emergency vehicles so that they can access the uh sites uh safely. Ah, page 48. Uh wheeling policies. Okay, so when I read this at first I was going, okay, so this sounds like bike lanes, but we've just decided to change the wording. But it's the exact same thing. Like um it says on section E, connectivity gaps in the major wheeling network should be resolved by adding and expanding protective wheeling lanes and pathways and by providing wheeling priority measures at intersections. What does that look like? So you you want to prioritize bike uh you want to prioritize the bike traffic over? Vehicle traffic at intersections? So Councillor tires through the chair. This is um sorry, I'm just rereading it here. This is about ensuring safety and reducing collisions at intersections between bikes and vehicles. Okay, because it says by providing wheeling priority measures at intersections. So safety absolutely, yeah. That would a light, like there's one on Ninth Avenue outside platform where there's a bike. A red bike that comes on that tells the bike to see across the street. Confusing by the way, all those different lights at an intersection. It's hard to tell when to turn and what to do. But okay, so that that's what you mean by that, is those lights? Okay. That's one example that Okay. could be employed. And I suppose on the wheeling policies, obviously it's this is a a hot topic um by other levels of government who have made, I guess, their opinions known to us that these kind of policies are problematic in the future. Have you guys um considered any kind of uh understanding of how we're gonna move forward on this. Like you want to expand and they want to reduce or eliminate. What I would say is that the majority of the wheeling network is off street and the consideration for not reducing driving lanes to allow for wheeling lanes is part of how we would move forward. Okay, so expanding wheeling lanes but not reducing traffic lanes. Okay. and Councillor, I'll just add we have been in discussion with the province. Our teams are are in discussion with the province about bike lanes. Okay. Yeah, I appreciate that. Thanks, Jim Hamilton. Um Oh, uh page 46, I believe it was mobility priority figure 11, where um actually in the presentation you guys talked about how that there isn't any type of transportation that is um favored above others, and yet in this figure it talks about all these different methods of transportation and other vehicles, quote unquote, is the least sustainable travel option, and then zero emission vehicles are more sustainable. Can you can you explain that um because I think you would have uh I think you would have some some argument um on your hands about whether or not they're actually more sustainable. Thank you, Councillor, for that question. We've been talking about this internally, and I would suggest that the figure title does not align with the actual figure that speaks about sustainability and risk. Oh, like what I just So the the title is mobility priority, but what the figure is showing is Oh, okay, so the title's wrong anyway. But you know what I mean. Like the actual figure it the actual figure itself, it shows like the different um ways of transportation and then it kind of like puts them in categories like this is the least desirable type of transportation. I just don't like to see that. with respect to sustainability and risk. Maybe I'll ask Andrew to chime in further if I'm We've valued the feedback on this. When we look at the risk side here, it is true a pedestrian is more likely to incur significant injury because they don't have anything protecting them. But the sustainability component on it too maybe confounds two issues. Obviously, walking does have lower carbon. Yeah. And driving a private automobile does. Yeah. But I mean that's that's I think what we were we were really trying to pr prioritize or show here was that you know we have to be aware, and we heard this through public engagement too. I want my kids to walk to school, I want them to bike to school safely. And we don't want those to be high risk activities. And that's where this started to emerge and come from. Perhaps you know we could take this away and look at maybe not having that sustainability piece adjacent to it, because it maybe it confuses the messaging. Okay, yeah, no, I appreciate that. Thank you. My apologies to chime in through your worship to Councillor Tyres. Just if it's helpful for a little bit of context as well, that graphic there is an update from the current municipal development plan that has the sustainability, it's focused solely on sustainability rather than risk. So it just as Andrew was mentioning through our engagement, we heard a lot of concern about uh Everyone, please mute. I think some people are talking. Thank you. So, like Andrew is mentioning, we heard a lot about concerns about safety. So the diagram shows sustainability and risk now to address what we've heard. But absolutely, like Andrew and everyone was saying, we're happy to hear any amendments and adjustments we can make for clarity. Okay, yep, thanks for that. Um, the flood hazard areas. Okay, yeah, that's been that's been hit multiple times actually by um Chabot and Wynus. And I believe, okay, so you made it clear that any changes that we're gonna make to the flood bylaws, like so that part will be on hold for whatever is going to happen um with that policy. That's correct. Okay, yeah, thank you. I appreciate that. Um, light and industrial uses may be located in a neighborhood high activity area when near transit and where allowed by area structure plan or local area plan. Um can you explain about how this would look like in real life? This is section D, sorry, uh section D, page 18. Um you probably know where I'm coming from on this because I've heard from my community that when it comes to industrial, close to residential. Um bad things happen. More specifically in my area, just certain uh intersections with problems with gravel trucks and things like that. Um just wondering how that would how that would interact with the community. Like you guys don't foresee that being any kind of issues like coming up with having those two things like so close in proximity to each other. Thank you through your worship. So the light industrial definition is specifically points out that these are uses like storage facilities that can be completely contained within the building envelope with no off site impacts. So it is the lightest degree of industrial use that still counts under that category. Okay, so like um smaller uh strip malls and things like that? Hi, sorry. This would be Exactly like Greenview Industrial. And so it's in the middle of Ward 4. Um sorry, he's not there right now. Um and Ward 4 has a hybrid industrial area that's immediately adjacent to residential areas. So very still industrial, uh, but with policies at the local area plan, like you acknowledged, an area structure plan that guides what that industrial development would look, feel, and be contained. Okay, yeah, no, I appreciate that visual. Um thank you. And on that on the note of light industry, I believe you also mentioned wheeling networks in the industrial area. I just want to see what how that would actually look like. Like, are you really imagining people working in the industrial area like with their h hard hats on and stuff, uh biking to work? either of us could go. Sure. Rachel. Absolutely, through your worship. It was interesting because we through the engagement spoke to several people that work in industrial areas, including some near Inglewood and Aylith, Bonnie Brook, that in the summer they want to take their bike to their office and they're maybe not bringing a lot of equipment and they take the river pathway. And so it was really interesting talking to workers of industrial areas, and absolutely most of them drive most of the time, but uh they liked the opportunity to connect. Okay, so there's like a small subsection of people who give you that feedback. Yeah, Um I think that's fair. where that would work from Okay, I was I was just trying to imagine that 'cause um a lot of the workers I know like require a truck, a lot there's lots of equipment, um and there's lots of going like Uh back and forth, and you need like something to carry you know the equipment and things like that. Okay, so thanks for the clarity on that. Um page 17 D, it says the city should encourage retail and local commercial growth, particularly around transit stations on the primary transit network. I just felt like we should encourage business everywhere. I don't think we should specifically encourage and incentivize specifically like around the transit stations and primary transit network. Can you explain why why this is in here? Absolutely. And through your worship, I'm so happy you brought that up because that's one of the major changes we made to the current municipal development plan, which incur which has very highly specific retail direction and where it goes and at what scale, in that now we encourage retail and commercial everywhere across the city. But we do call it out under each of the activity areas, particularly where there is an opportunity for a greater mix of uses to co locate. But you're exactly right. Retail and commercial is encouraged everywhere throughout. Okay, thank you. Um page 18, I guess one um is the definition of all the four neighborhood categories greater downtown high activity, um, neighborhood moderate activity, neighborhood low activity. I just felt like Using these definitions makes it seem like there's no activity out in the suburbs. Like I guess I just I the the language was problematic for me. It just feels like a false assumption that just because you live in the suburbs that there's low activity, like I think many of my constituents would disagree with that categorization because there's a ton of activity all the time. And so um Is there a reason why we went with that kind of language? Like about activity rather than, I don't know, I guess density, if that is what the plan is, to um create more housing and that kind of thing. Um why why is it activity level? Mm-hmm. Absolutely, and through your worship, we did wrestle a lot with what was the appropriate name for these degrees. And we landed on activity and absolutely happy to talk about it further if there's a more appropriate name for sure. Was that what we heard a lot from communities, particularly in low density single-detached neighborhoods, that there is a ton of activity, people are out and about, but they really like the quiet, and they these areas tend to have like more single detached dwellings, they have a little bit uh less commercial uses embedded throughout. So, really, the activity is intended to refer to these are where things are more concentrated greater density, greater mix of uses, greater mobility options. So it's tied to the physical structure of the area. Sure, but in even in new communities, like we have um a lot of like townhouses and density and things like that. Like they are out in the suburbs, but there's that's actually where we're concentrating a lot of our density in, right? Councillor Tyres, I like to think about it as this is an area where you're not. Going to you're not drawing people from across the city to this area. It's the local residents that live there and access their local shops and such as opposed to a high activity area, which may be like you know, an Inglewood Main Street or a Kensington that's drawing people from across the city because it you know has a certain value as that high activity area. Okay, no, I I understand uh your perspective on this. Oh man, how long have I been going for now? Oh, uh sorry, um there's probably just a couple more. Page 16 the city should support low carbon and climate resilient design construction of new housing developments, housing retrofits, using low carbon climate resilient materials and methods. I was wondering what this looks like, because um the first thing that came to my mind was hail. And um, you know, we're we're still allowing builders to build with um vinyl siding, but like we've heard that Hardy Board is so much more resilient. Is there something you guys have in mind as far as? Building materials? Like that that really uh got my attention. Through your worship. So this is specifically an enabling policy to support innovation and flexibility in construction. Okay. So yeah, I d uh uh an enabling policy. Councillor Tyres through the chair getting into dictating the type of building materials is starting to step into the Alberta building code. And that's So why is it in here then? Because it says climate resilient materials and methods. so as Ms. We should just support it. It's around enabling. Yeah. Okay. I think, you know what, that's that's enough for me for today. Um, but I think some something that did come up just overall about the municipal development plan is that it was meant to last for 60 years, right? And then I believe the um people who originally brought it forward wanted to update it every 10 years. And so we just updated it when, 2021, 20? In 2020, we brought forward light amendments Right. to align with legislation and make some changes to align with other policies. Yeah. But it wasn't a full review. Yeah, because to me it just seems like a very dramatic brand new document that was based on all the other documents and things like that. But like, why didn't we just do another assessment in 10 years? Obviously, there's like things that have changed and stuff, but this seems I I know um my uh colleagues have mentioned like this. This kind of reminds them a little bit of blanket rezoning, and I know you said that it's not zoning. We understand that it just seems to be one of those documents that's gonna create a lot of change. And we're gonna go through another public hearing. We're gonna hear from people who don't like it. And I I just feel like maybe with the MDP, um, maybe it would have been better to just reassess it every 10 years and see what those changes look like and go from there. But if it looks like a brand new document that's going to change a lot of how our city um is going to be developed, I think we're gonna have some serious problems with it. I can I can predict. I can predict many hours of listening during the public hearing. Um Just um the community not interested in uh widespread policy that's going to blanket our city again in ideas and designs and things that uh they don't have a say in. I guess that's just a c that's just a comment. I'm sorry, GM Hamilton. It's not a question, but If you'd like me to respond, I'm happy to. I I think we've responded to this several it in several iterations over the day. Yeah. However, so the our current municipal development plan, um as so where do I want to start here? Um We, as Ms. Davies Murphy said, the last update was in the 2020-21 area. We were intending at that time to do a major comprehensive review. Our budget was cut. So we whittled down the amendments to very specific amendments related to legislation. So it was not the comprehensive review that we wanted to do at that 10 year mark. So we're here now undertaking that comprehensive review. I think you've heard throughout the presentations, throughout the answers of qu um answers to questions, that The engagement that was done for the Calgary Plan, which is being rebranded, still our municipal development plan. It's got new branding, new images on it. So it looks different, very much different from the municipal development plan. But the vision is still there. The vision has been reconfirmed. A lot of the policies are the same. They've been streamlined. We've talked about the number of pages, whittling down to the number of pages we have here. The biggest change is combining the Calgary Transportation Plan with the Municipal Development Plan and streamlining those policies. So there are new policies. We you heard Ms. Dillon just a little while later when Councillor Pantozopoulos asked her about what's changed since the last draft. We went through that for you, and but the majority, I'd say the base, and I'd look to my colleagues, the the majority is the same. It's just maybe the wording is plain language. We've streamlined it to make it easier to implement, easier to understand. No, I appreciate that, GM Hamilton. I just think, like, just after we went through the whole repeal of blanket rezoning, and now s suddenly there's gonna be a new public hearing, like I I hope that you guys can see like how the public is going to see that. Do you know what I mean? They're gonna see it as maybe a replacement or something that just Time-wise, like the the the timing of this just um seems to be um you know not in not in our favor as far as like the city being able to move forward with building trust with Calgaryans and things like that. I think we're at a really good we're at a really good period right now. And um yeah, I I'm just I guess I'm concerned about about the timing of it and how it will be perceived. Um And I know you're saying that it's important to streamline things. It's important to make things easier for people to read and stuff like that. But maybe sometimes like complicated's a good thing, you know. But I I I suppose that's it. Sorry, I've I've uh made all my colleagues fall asleep. Thank you so much for answering my questions. Appreciate that. Thank you. Deputy Mayor, over to Councillor Clark, please. Thank you, Chair. Um, thank you very much. I want to say that I really appreciated um the annotated version, being able to look at the edits that were made prior to my arriving to council and participating in this process. I enjoyed the document. I I find it to be uh concise, reflective in some ways of the things that I feel like we've engaged and discussed over the last six months. So I'm really grateful for that. Um I have a few questions that I wanted to ask. Um, not quite sure on how to uh create like a structure here in my questioning, but one of the fundamentals, I guess, is just around the idea of the greater downtown. And when I think about the city of Calgary that I was born and raised in and now live in, and I really appreciated GM Hamilton's context even from two thousand and nine about what the world looked like. Um We sort of were looking at the Bow River to 17th Avenue Southwest as sort of a context for urbanized living. And I just wonder as we reflect on a 30 to 60 year plan, if that's realistic, when even today we've sort of referenced a number of things happening outside that zone, the Inglewood Ramsey sort of area, bridgeland, we've got Sunnyside, we've got a number of instances outside this zone. Maybe that'd be a great place to start. Can you just talk to me a little bit about the philosophy behind structuring this directly in this one area? Councillor, just to clarify, you're asking specifically about the what I'm hearing you ask is why the boundaries of the greater downtown are the boundaries of the greater downtown. Yes. Okay. I mean I'm gonna unless anybody else chumps in, but sorry, you'd like to chime in. Historically they've been this way. This is our greater downtown. We have a greater downtown strategy, but I'll let the team clarify if I'm wrong. This reflects the greater downtown map area that we have under policy today. And so it felt like it it needed to continue on. I feel like it's not I I guess my my point is is it doesn't feel very future looking, I suppose. Like if that if that's the idea. 30 years from now, um if we think about the integrations that we're already making in communities like Ingwood and Ramsey, 30 years from now, they will constitute downtown, likely, right? I mean, if we have a 30 year strategy to build out to, you know, we'll have 30 more years of land to build into. Um so I suppose my my the undertone of that is like it feels small. It feels small for the context if we're vision building and we're we're sort of looking to a future concept. Um, I also think about uh Instances that I've experienced here. So as an example, some of the grants available for arts and culture are not for downtown are not extended to spaces like Inglewood, which we've also identified as Music Mile. So another element that I'm meant to drive, you know, over the course of the next four years is Music Mile. But this is outside the greater downtown core. So what am I doing? A suburban festival circuit? Like, I don't think so. Um, so that's all. Just trying to build a conversation on that. Thank you. Thanks for clarifying that. I think Certainly, you know, we can take a look at that if that's something that we that you'd like to dive into a little bit more. Or if there's neighborhood high activity or moderate activity policies that would also enable that sort of vision that you have. Yeah, I really appreciate I think one of the things too, if like we're talking about a public facing document, it's like Greater Downtown is is like outlined in a major way. And I think you know, there's a lot of these neighborhoods that have earned their stripes. Um, I represent a lot of them, and I know many of these other uh counselors do as well in terms of you know, they're 60, 70, 80 years old. I'd like to see them reflected in sort of that longer term plan, or at least how they're identified, like are they identified as high activity mid or not? You know, just sort of like I it's almost like um what something that came up a lot for me during this process was districting almost. You know, like how do we identify between the LAP process and the Calgary plan? Could we not identify a districting strategy that clearly identifies certain areas and what what those areas can expect? I think it's it odds it offers clarity of direction. Certainly. And I think the neighborhood moderate activity tries to do that, maybe not successfully, in the gridded street network. And so those communities that were built sort of in the 50s and 60s that have the grid pattern start to look at the moderate activity. level and sort of provides that perhaps district based on how the communities were built at the time. Yeah, I and I I'm gonna really I suppose like sort of continuously reference this document to Ward 9 obviously for obvious reasons not to note that it's like uh you know every ward will be able to do that but in the const in the discussions listed in here were the the points made about industrial uses just wondered if we could speak a little bit about there's like that unique mix of legacy industrial next to residential next to commercial there's like a unique mix there and I didn't really see any forward momentum on how we might in the may, must, or shoulds about how to reconcile that for the next 15, 20 years, how we might deliver more housing in those spaces. I'm wondering, and I'll put her on the spot, if Miss Dillon would be able to come up and speak to the industrial policies and maybe what's being changed since like from the existing MDP to the Calgary Plan? Thank you. Through your worship. So with the industrial policies and like everything, if we could absolutely discuss this, the perspective we undertook was to Not change the current MDP's policies too much just to protect the industrial land base because as it if it disappears it's very difficult to get that industrial land base back again. But I think you bring up a really interesting point that we we could talk about further. So the policies are really oriented towards that protect the industrial land base, but we do have that industrial mixed area that allows some of that. Oh, the word's coming to my head, it's not the best word, but infiltration of other uses along some of these edges. And also with regards to our previous conversation, that light industrial use that doesn't have an external impact is now in moderate and high activity. So there's that little bit of cross pollination, but uh happy to discuss further. Yeah, thank you. I think um in terms of my comments there, it did read as a bit protectionist. And I think about um how some of these like high-intensity industrial uses are sort of they've fallen off. Like we've got ceramic art studios, shout out to workshop studios in Aleth, um that are use are now in what were foundries, right? We're not going to see uh a foundry there again, and so these uses are naturally changing. I just didn't see that reflective. Also, to keep in mind of the the prairie economic gateway and our delivery of a sort of broader. New vision for industrial use there. These legacy spaces will become more available. And I just didn't see that reflected. Again, if we're talking about the next 10 or 15 years. Yeah. Councillor Clark, I think that in the industrial mix policies it does speak to contextual and through the local area plan is certainly with some of those conversations that are are you know hyper local, those situations can be explored further. For sure. And so I suppose then I would just say, in an offline circumstance, I'd love the opportunity to meet and discuss how my office can help drive that through the LAP processes. We're very lucky right now to be engaged in that. It's very important for this future looking. And so just to make sure that if it's not through making adjustments and documents like this that I have what I need to help deliver that into the LAP process. Certainly we're happy to look at what you're trying to achieve and where it's best suited. Thank you. I see Councillor Chabot's just come back, so I love this because he had made a comment about that what is it, page 12, 2.1.2 housing, the C. The city should target a minimum of 15% non-market housing. I just wanted to make a comment there. I think you know, if we're going to commit to the idea of delivering a broad range of housing types, uh, tenures, ownership, and rental concepts, I think I would almost my argument is that we should determine that as a must. I think that we should be finding space for every economic bracket in every part of our city, new and old neighborhoods, as we revisit them. And I think the best way to do that is to confirm uh non market housing. So a bit more of a comment than needing any feedback, but uh maybe in a in a back and forth when we have the opportunity to actually chat, I would love to chat with. To perhaps sell my point. Um you'll just have to excuse me while I find the next thing to talk about. Um where are you? Okay, so heritage. Um just a quick couple of questions there. Um You would in so point K, Heritage, under K says development adjacent to heritage resources should provide compatible contemporary distinguishable interpretations of traditional design. I just wondered how this translates through our development permitting process and how, because the phrasings of like contextually uh appropriate are oft thrown around, I think, in ways that people don't necessarily always agree with or understand. And so I just wanted to make sure that it sounds exciting. It sounds like a great confirmation that, you know, if you're going to build something next to a bunch of 120 year old brick buildings, you know, you'd create some context there. Someone speak to that. Oh, sorry. Thank you through your worship. Um so Well, just like with uh Councillor Tyres pointing out the retail policies, I'm happy you raised heritage because that is also another area that has changed since the current MDP, even though it's largely the same. So that is one of the new policies that has been added. And at the risk of sounding a little repetitive, it does get refined through local area planning as character is defined specifically on the local level, and then of course, through the development process, through zoning and contextual application review. Okay. Yeah, a great example of that would be the C Space Edition for the uh in Marteloup, right, where it's distinguishable, it's secondary, but it's responsive to the heritage school site, and that's something that you know is it's very much a national best practice of the guidelines for additions to heritage buildings or uh even them within that contextual response to be secondary subordinate and distinguishable. It results in great great design. So that's great. So when we think about like the updates to the heritage section for the MDP or what's called the Calgary Plan now, would you say this is better aligned with national strategy? Yes. Yeah. Okay, excellent. Good news. And we quote we quote the national strategy as well in the Calgary plan and um specifically national standards on the protection of heritage resources. Excellent. Okay. A question, page 67, or I guess it's 71 of 96. Sorry, there is a difference there. Just regarding area structure plan policies. Just out of curiosity, under the area structure plan policies header, number or letter B says in area structure plans with residence areas, minimum gross residential density must be 25 units per hectare. And I just wondered if that was something that was already in place. Is that an update? Is that a higher level of density than previously existed? Yes, so Councillor Clark, the current municipal development plan calls for 20 Okay. units. We are seeing applications coming in in the 27 to 29 or 30 range. That's exciting. I think like there's probably again like an offline opportunity to chat about this, but I think the note or comment that I would make is that as we as we create documents to lead us into that future, making sure that that density is higher, that we're pushing that envelope at every level and at every phase, so we don't end up in a deficit like this again in terms of that big gap. Um, just about done. Uh again, under growth applications, page 72 of 96. Uh, we talk about how development will integrate the public amenities and community services, including but not limited. I respect that it says that not limited to healthcare food services library, but I didn't really see I thought recreation would be really valuable there as well. I think it'd be really important to put that. Council Clark, may I just ask you to tell us what letter you're on? Sorry. Um IX. I guess that's nine. We're past the letters. And So you're suggesting to include recreation. Yeah, I think that'd be really valuable there. We talk about park systems, we talk about mobility networks. I think it'd be a wonderful place to. I would like to see recreation like bled through a little bit more through the whole document. I think it's a it's a mandated obligation that the city deliver recreation opportunities for its citizens, and so I would love to see that just more throughout the whole document. Umline plans 75 of 96, H. Outline plans may be required to include the following as determined by the city a new tree planting master plan, a staged master drainage plan, and so on. I wondered if this should be a should rather than a may. I think about some of the experiences we've had along the way here with planning and development processes. Um and I f I found that we kind of find ours the note I wrote here is to avoid piecemeal requirements or steps later in the process. Could we not just clearly outline what what is expected? So I'll just ask Director Goldstein to comment on that. Hi, Council. Rachel. We do have the requirements for all outline plans. They're on a Carl. Which is our complete application review list. What this is saying to the world when we have this in here is that these are. The foundational studies that may be required. It's more of a list to give everybody a heads up that these are there. But then we will also build all the other things, or there may not actually be a new tree planting master plan required for that outline plan if it's just switching around one small thing. That's why the language is still a little bit flexible. And to be clear, like I I know when when I contemplated my own notes on this, I know that your teams have spent like lots of time contemplating a MAME versus a must versus a you know a should. So totally respect that. I have one more of those, which is just under the same outline plan policies at C. The city should confirm the capital servicing and related capital investment requirements. Should that not be a must? It is a must as per our land use bylaw. So if we wanted to adjust the language to make that a must. It would be good feedback. Okay. Um sorry, yeah, this is an interesting format, isn't it? I apologize, but but I'm gonna take more time. Um okay, uh local area plan policies, 74 of 96. Um we've just highlighted a number of things. I wondered if heritage could not be something that we set there as well. We talk about evaluations of alignment with city structures, ecological networks, natural infrastructure, walking, wheeling, development. Um in policy C of local area planning, it says local area planning should identify policies to conserve and enhance heritage resources, but we could expand it to be identify the heritage. I think that would be quite valuable. I think if we just got into the practice of it, we wouldn't end up having to debate whether or not one should exist and to what extent as we move forward with the LAP processes. Okay, I'm happy to like take the rest of this offline. We've got so many other better things to do, but I have one thing that I want to, an overarching concern I have with this document. Um, and I will um, you know, as it relates to our relationship, uh, we open this document with a land use um a land acknowledgement rather, and we highlight our desire to engage with the Indigenous peoples of Treaty 7 and and our urban Indigenous peoples under our goals, our people goal, recognition and inclusion. I just want it noted that in every instance where Indigenous people may be engaged, it's always a may statement. There's not a single should, except for under arts and culture. So we may engage them on heritage, like we may engage them on the history of these lands, we may, you know, and I just think if we're going to make those kinds of commitments that we should follow through and be brave and have the courage to at least commit to a should somewhere. In the cavalry plan. Thank you, Councillor Clark. I've asked Ms. Wilbur to comment on that. Thank you. That's it from you, Councillor. Yes, they're just about to um answer the answer to the point, but yes, I'll keep here it comes. Wait. well, putting it higher is probably not going to be Let's see, wisps of hair and nothing else. The language that we have, we spent a lot of time contemplating, and we pulled in our experts in that area of law to help us to determine sort of what shoes the city is wearing, and we were very, very careful about our all our shoulds and shells. I heard your comment, and we can take it back and continue to have that conversation, but I will say that's why the words were chosen as you see them. I can appreciate that. So legally, yes, okay. I just think that um if we you know it's like quite it's something to sort of reflect back on the history of these lands and acknowledge the individuals who've lived here for thousands of years, but we're in the process of city building, so it offers the opportunity to collaborate in the future. And I just think like to confirm that that group of people has a place at the table. Not that they might have a place at the table, but that they do have, at least in some instances, as it relates to heritage policy, the city may engage with indigenous peoples for increased understanding of the distinct indigenous worldviews and histories of this land to better conserve or sh our shared heritage. Like that could be a should, I think, very comfortably and very easily. Just as a point. Yeah. I I promise we will continue to consider those th the words that we use in those policies. Yeah. Okay, great. That's it for me. Thanks. All right. Councillor Yule, please. Yeah, I got two high level questions, one specific question. Um Miss Dylan commented that the new Calgary plan is less prescriptive. And yeah, as I read through the old MDP and the new Calgary plan, like I see the MDP as a development guide. You can, as a developer, you can pick it up and you can know pretty certain what what to do. Whereas I I look at the the new Calgary plan and it's more of a growth strategy. I think are are we losing like I think there with this new Calgary plan, there's gonna be a lot of additional policies and strategies that need need to also come like right after in order for this to work in the same way the MDP plan or the M municipal development plan was was intended. Is that is that am I seeing it correctly? Through your worship, I'm so glad you asked this question because this was one of our very early conversations as we were reviewing the MDP and looking at the Calgary Plan. And when the current MDP was written in 2008, 2009, there wasn't a consistent local area plan process. So that MDP had to do more than an MDP typically would need to do, hence, the very sharp boundaries around main streets and activity centers, and a lot more detailed policy that if there was at the time a more consistent approach to local area planning that would be housed within those documents. So the current MDP and local area planning are kind of like a Venn diagram in how they operate right now. So it to streamline policies and have each plan fulfill its own specific role in the planning system. The Calgary Plan has been simplified and distilled and focuses on what we need to achieve as a city. And the local area plans now define specifically how that is to be achieved in these individual areas of the city, all orienting towards that broad direction, if that helps answer your question. It does, but uh although Ward 3 doesn't have any LAPs, um, and so we're relying on ASPs, um, which uh like you think about the equity side of things, like an LAP will have a lot of engagement of local area residents, whereas an ASP less so. Um so maybe speak on is that is that equal? Uh like is that equity based in that we know we we have different levels of engagement? Through your worship, I think that I think that's a really good point and very astute in that as we work through this with you, how can we, for communities that don't have a local area plan, is there opportunities to enhance some clarity in this document to fulfill partly that role while we await local area planning? Currently, the and uh since I I don't work for the city, I'll defer to Deb and Kathy with the ASP process. Largely focused on new development that was farmer agriculture or other uses. There is a different process in place for that as opposed to a local area plan where people are already living and enjoying their community. So they do have a different objective from their outset, but I would happily defer to Kathy and Deb on that one. No, you're correct. I mean, local area or area structure plans, we do do a lot of engagement, but it's obviously a different context. It's not where people are currently living. So the the local area plan engagement is very different from that end. Um are other so the other thing that's coming up after this is land use bylaw. Like these these two to my understanding to to really equal uh municipal development plan kind of need to go hand in hand. No, is that like if we um if we approve the Calgary plan, we kind of need to have the land use bylaw right in in behind it, or it doesn't really serve, does it does it still serve a purpose if you don't have the land use bylaw behind it? So certainly they're meant to work together, and we did engagement. Concurrently on the Calgary Plan and the zoning bylaw. So they are designed to be sister documents, if you will, or sister policies. Can they stand independently? Yes. We may need to do some amendments or adjustments to make them work better independently, but they are designed to be a pair. Yeah. Councillor Councillor, if I may just add, because I was just reminded, our current municipal development plan and current land use bylaw plan w were developed at different times and are not completely aligned. And so hence why the city building program did both documents together and have been engaged on both. So Okay. it'll be clunkier, but further aligned. And Andrew? Well, the only thing I'd like to add to that though is it'd be very difficult to rezone just using the MVP or the Calgary Plan. You really do need the local area plan or area structure plans to provide you with that block to block context. Otherwise, you're just dealing with uh generalized catchment areas, and that's not sufficient and enough nuance to really talk about. Heights, uses, setbacks, stepbacks, you know, floor area ratios, all of those things. Like it really is a flow of information down from the most general high level north star of the Calgary plan down to the block to the lot, which is the parcel. So that that middle piece is pretty essential. And are there any other, you know, sister documents that we're not thinking of right now that will also feed into the Calgary plan? So the third part of the city building program is the street manual, which is the design guidelines and the cross sections for our streets. Okay. That typically doesn't come to council for approval. It's administratively approved. It's really engineering standards. Okay. Um, just more uh this this will be kind of like our highest level plan. And when you look at the map, um let's say the city structure map with the purple industrial area. Um, how often are we gonna have to update this plan? So the MDP, we were doing 10 year interview polls to update. Is that gonna be similar for this as well? So ideally, we would look at a comprehensive update every 10 years or so, but there may be policy legislative changes or even through applications whereby there are specific policies done or specific changes needed to the municipal development plan. We've had in the past large redevelopment applications that have come in and have triggered a municipal development plan change. Same thing with changes to the, I'm going to use the acronym, ABPA, the airport vicinity protection areas, and the NEF contours that have then also triggered redevelopment opportunities for landowners, which then would have a site specific, if you will, amendment. Yeah, that that's kind of what I'm getting at because in in Ward 3 we do have areas that are currently in the purple that are being considered for residential. Um and so could people use this document being our top document saying that oh no that was supposed to be industrial? Like can this be used in a in a public hearing to say, look, the the the new or the the Calgary plan says this, um it should stay this. Like, is that is is there bearing in that? So when land use items come forward to council, the report all the absolutely all relevant policy is is looked at. And if policy doesn't comply, then that's where either an amendment will come forward with that or a refusal. Yeah. And the decision is up to this group of council. Okay. To make those decisions. Uh and just one last specific question. Uh when it comes to natural assets, what do we consider glacial erratics? Are they a natural asset? That is a very specific question. Super well, we're getting there. I mean this is what we wanted to do. They're pretty neat. through your through your worship. Well, with the natural assets, there's also environmentally significant areas as a another specific natural feature that we refer to in the plan. So those would be determined based on a study and their significance in terms of habitat. So, in short, without confirming to an environmental specialist, I say it could be depending on its nature. I I would like it to be uh just because like uh we are a very unique place in the world that um has glacial erratics uh and there's no protections in Canada. So in Finland they have actual natural monument protections. Canada doesn't have it, and Calgary has quite a few glacial erratics that aren't being protected. They're pretty um uh there's there's some in my area that are being defaced every day because there's no protections for them. Um so would love for the a little bit more granularity on protecting our glacial erratics. So but that's it for me. Thanks, Mayor. All right, colleagues. Uh we start our break in two minutes. I'm just gonna bang the gavel now and say we're back at uh 3 45. Welcome back to Calgary City Council. Mr. Clerk, please call the roll. Uh Councillor Johnston. Here. Councillor Kelly. Present. Councillor McClain. Councillor Pentezopoulos. Councillor Schmidt. Councillor Tyres. Councillor Ward. Councillor Wyness. Councillor Ewell. Councillor Atkinson. Councillor Chabot. President, Councillor Clark. Councillor Deliwal. Councillor Jameson. Yeah, present Mayor Farkas. I believe I heard co uh Council McClain, but I could be wrong. Councillor McLean? number I'm remote. And I'm here too. Jeremy. Farkas. Uh we left off. Uh Councillor Yule, I think you still had the floor. I mean I could do five more minutes on erratics, but I think I'll pass it. I'll pass the torch. All right. Councillor Schmidt, please. I like to think of myself as a glacial erratic, actually. You're certainly erratic. Yeah. Um so okay, my first question, I hope it's useful and relevant because uh I mean referencing the municipal government act is never a good start. But uh 637 of the MGA reads the adoption by a council of a statutory plan does not require the municipality to undertake any of the projects referred to in it. Um would anybody be able to comment about? How that influences the making of this type of plan and how that should inform us as a council, especially with a lot of the concerns that have been raised so far today. Thank you, Councillor Schmidt. Through the chair, I may ask Ms. Wobasur to speak to the MGA section, and then we can talk about how that influenced the creation of the plan. Through the chair, I'll reiterate exactly what you just read out. That is indeed one of the provisions in the MGA that guides statutory plans. And whenever I've looked at that section in the past, what it reminds me of is that these statutory plans, particularly when you're dealing with a municipal development plan, which the Calgary Plan is, are high level visionary documents. So it's not necessary binding promises or or plans on precisely what the city is gonna do with powers it may have outside operationally, if that's helpful. Thank you. And what I think what I would add is that the creation of the plan is intended to be implemented. And so we do it in good faith with the understanding and listening to Calgarians and incorporating their voices. To provide that North Star, some guidance and certainty to the community and to the developers. But I guess it fundamentally it what that tells us through the legislation that allows us to do this is that this is not prescriptive, this is aspirational. That's correct. So if we've decided as a council, which we have done on several occasions already, that in this instance, with this land use, with whatever it may be, we're not going to do this, then we can still choose not to do this. Yes. I think maybe what I would add, if I may, is that any council out of a 30 year plan can choose its priorities and align them to what is in the municipal development plan. So it's not required to do all of it. It's not required to do all of it right now. But there are certain there's guidance within the plan that helps to achieve the mandate that this council has put forward. And what we're doing here is not just for us. Because this if if this gets through to the point where we pass whatever version of it we pass as a council, it's it will come to the desks of Future councils that may not include all of us. That's correct. It's intended to have a long life and for many councils to look to it for guidance. Okay, so then just a couple of high-level points about the document that I thought might be helpful, especially with some of the comments that we received through some of our community meetings leading up to this. There are outcomes in this plan, but I'm wondering about as we continue to work on it, the possibility of being much more clear. About what the outcomes we're seeking are. And also, we focus a lot today on the development part of this and the planning part of this. So, would it is it possible and useful in your view to say when we talk about the local activity or the higher level areas of activity to also list somewhere, whether it's in the plan itself or with a companion document to say, We chose say the 25 uh units per hectare, say, to then have an explanation as to what does this help us achieve with infrastructure, with rec centers, with natural areas, with all of these things, so that we're tying each of the goals to the other goals more explicitly in the document. Because I think some of the confusion right now is coming from the fact that. These are all together in the same planet, but sometimes you have to connect the dots yourself. But what if we connected the dots explicitly? And also to take what you did, which I thought was really interesting in the reporting back for from the engagement, is what we didn't do. And also for us for the document to say, this is what happened, this is what would happen if we don't do this, or this is what we have to would have to do in other ways if we don't do this. Is that something that could be considered and helpful? Thank you. I think that that's a really interesting idea in terms of how do we communicate the plan. And one of the Companion documents that the administration will put together as a user guide that will help the community associations, general public, developers, the staff, in fact, interpret what this policy means, what it doesn't mean, and how they can use it to guide their decisions. Excellent. And now risk is also a big part of what we're talking about right now. Is there any way that we could also integrate, say, a risk registry or a risk analysis with the different parts of this that sort of aligns with those ways to tie all the different goals together and the risks associated with doing things or not doing things as well? Uh, you know, with color coding, without color coding, whatever it may be, but something that be because ultimately the risk that we face as a city when it comes to what we're doing, a lot of the times comes back to these high level statutory plans and what they're guiding us to do. So is that something else that might be possible in the interim here? So through the chair, we do have our principal corporate risk register. I think that's something that we could certainly take away and consider how we could incorporate some of these risks into the principal corporate risks. And the indicators and monitoring mechanisms help us identify if those risks are growing or if in fact they're being mitigated. Great. And then sticking with this the the outcome subject, uh, local context is something that comes up a lot as well. So, you know, instead of being really prescriptive about saying, you know, single family homes have to go here, here, here, duplexes have to go here, here, here, here, that We look at the certain outcome, and again, really explicitly starting from the outcomes of what we want to see here, and then how that informs the local context and what that local context might look to in the future. Like as Councillor Clark mentioned, that this area might be the part of the downtown in 20 years functionally, that that we can tell that story of how local context is considered through the outcomes that we're wanting to achieve as well. I think could you offer a bit more insight into what you think? Yeah, so it's it's about really saying that this is what you value about this part that this is where you live, but this is what you're also uh telling us to do is build a rec center that you can have within five kilometers of your home. So and and sometimes, you know, with the The the cost-benefit type of things we need to do as a city to say, well, you know, if if you are 2,000 people below your peak population levels, we can't can we really justify building a new rec center here? Because there's maybe compared to other neighborhoods that have grown that need one, that you then become your the priority listing for your neighborhood is lower. Thank you. And through the chair, I understand you got that a little bit clearer. I think there's other tools through our service plans. And other key performance indicators. Look to Game Plan, Connect Parks, that may talk about where there are gaps. So what the what the Calgary plan does is it says close those gaps and make those a priority in your investment. And then we can look to those other service plans as to how to best invest in those services for Calgaryans. I don't know if GM Hamilton, if there's something else you'd like to add. Thank you. I'm wondering, Councillor through the chair, if you're looking for maybe more analysis or like a risk analysis on if this then that when decisions are coming forward to council? Is Or or even just sort of a high level, you know, if this is a user guide that goes along with this to say to, you know, that it connects to game plan and to say. You know, we want to do this across the city, but we we prioritize this based on the need of the community, and the need of your community is based on how many people this is going to serve, and that's why we're saying that you need to have, for example, 20, and I'm not saying that the 25 units per hectare is is is the magical one, but then that just helps tell the story as to because the you know a lot of the comments from community and from from counselors today is well, why this number? Why that number? And and that if we can actually tell the story, and again it's connecting the dots, infrastructure and parks and these types of things, that the story is that. We have we have to do a cost benefit of every decision that we make. And it's go these types of projects are going to go where they're most needed. And where they're most needed is where there's people to use them, is kind of what I'm getting at. okay. So a comprehensive analysis story and rationale in the user guide to explain some of these key metrics, tying them to the different outcomes. Yeah, and and and maybe that's not possible through the plan itself, but that as we get closer to the voting time, I think that is the story that we're going to have to actually tell because that's what I think that's what at the heart of it, this whole plan is getting at. And correct me if I'm wrong about that as well. No, I don't think you're wrong. I think this plan is about serving Calgarians and making the most effective and efficient use of the resources that we have to do that. And then um another part of just sort of the approach and the language, uh the you know, the focus today about well where do cars factor into this or wh where does this factor into it that um just a little bit of a reframing about options, that it's about Providing you options for housing, providing you options for transportation, providing you options in your own community that if we can sort of change the focus of what we're doing to say this is what we want Calgary to look like, instead of to say these are the options we want to give you as somebody who's living in this city. Does that make sense as well? Through the chair, Councillor Schmidt. When I think of the Calgary Plan, the one word that comes to mind for me is choice. Yeah. And essentially this these policies are about providing choice whether you want to drive or you want to take transit, if you want to live in a new community or in an you know a community that was built in the 50s. How you want to live in your community, what you have access to. It's really about choice. And I think we really heard that loud and clear from Calgarians is that as the city grows and changes, and there are more and more people living here, we can't always add more infrastructure. We can't add more roads downtown. But how do we best use the roads that we have? And also provide choice for people who may not drive, for example. Anything you wanted to add? No, just to echo that, I think it's an important thing that one of the fundamental principles we had in the plan was. It's about housing choice, it's about mobility choice. And we don't we didn't want anything in here to be pitting one against the other. Like that was a fundamental principle of how we started this is that all options are viable. If you want to commute by car, that's great. If you want to be able to cycle or walk or take transit, that's wonderful. And they actually benefit each other. On the road is more capacity for you to drive. So we've always been trying to frame this as a positive system of opportunity for everyone. And then uh I think sort of the final things I'll bring up here, uh, and this is getting slightly more specific, but uh a a lot of I think the conflict when talking to community members and I mean you you saw this as well as the um the contradictions that you've heard throughout your public engagement too where they say, well we need more of this but also I want this and that the two things can't go together. And I think sometimes that comes from a little bit of the fear of the unknown in in how your community is going to change or how it might look, which raises something that we spend a lot of time at public hearings speaking about, which is how does something look and how does something feel? And that that was the one part, I mean, we talk about the how many stories it can be, and you know what the housing type might be and what the general context of that is, but is there a place in the Calgary plan for talking about broad level architectural guidelines or aspirations or design guidelines to s to signal to communities and to developers that the Calgary plan is also talking about. Aspiring to a higher quality of development, and even you know, when we've talked in the past about, you know, at one point I think a good neighbor policy was was pitched for development as well, to just maybe integrate those points in in there somewhere because sometimes I feel like that's what the communities are really craving when they look at these documents is that type of specificity because that's the tangible thing that people connect to. And i I don't know if the Calgary Plan is necessarily the place for that, but if there's a way to work that into the language, then th that might be helpful as well for people. We we can certainly but right now in section 2.3.3 there's the architectural design at a very high level and there's the heritage policies components too. Be more than happy to have the conversation about how we can maybe nuance that or be a little more responsive because I understand that change can create anxiety and local area plan processes really need to step in and help, and they have been in terms of having conversations around context and and what communities expect or are can for change. But we could look at this plan to see if there are ways of maybe increasing some of the the the citywide components to it. It's hard citywide just because everything, you know, in 1950s bungalow is a very different architectural response to Hawkwood, for instance, would be so we have to we'll try. We can definitely have that conversation about how we can supplement this more. Great. Thanks. Those are my questions. Appreciate it. All right. Uh Councillor Atkinson, please. That's an interesting question and actually made me wonder about that crossed over with the infrastructure uh replacement value per capita, which is I think a really important piece to sort of think about. I guess like we want obviously beautiful public realm, but also how do we make sure that we're building a sustained, like financially sustainable city, right? Uh we want gold plated tennis courts, sure, but At some point we've got to re-guild the gold. So how do we how do we make sure that we keep that balance of making things livable, awesome for you know new developing communities while also keeping an eye to 50 years down the road we're gonna have to replace that and the city is gonna bear that cost rather than the offsite levies to a certain degree that pay for it at the beginning or the developer as part of their development. Councillor Atkinson, thank you. I think there's some uh bolstered language and policy in here that directs the city to ensure that we're thinking about full life cycle of infrastructure when we're making capital investment decisions and recommendations. And so that is new in the plan. It's um But that's around our own builds, right? Not necessarily ones that are being put in. So like if uh if a developer is building a new community and they're making a choice about what level of playground they put in, but ultimately then that playground gets built, uh, we're on the hook at some point for refurbishing or or delivering that playground again down the road. so our service standards um would Inform those sorts of choices, service levels, service standards that would be defined in Connect Parks, Game Plan, those sorts of documents is where we would look to for those design standards. Okay, great. Um let's go in 2.3 urban form. There was a removal of public washrooms from uh 2.3.1 point e in in that section there. And public washrooms are important for people. Just wondering why we're removing that from the urban realm or urban form. Absolutely, uh through your worship. Uh so as we were looking at the plan again after uh the deferral, we looked for areas of duplication, and there's a washroom policy under the park system section that would fulfill that objective with a little bit more specificity to it. So that was part of the well, that was the main reason why that one was removed. Get that and I I appreciated it that what is there, but I think also public realm includes a lot more than parks, and I think actually making sure that washrooms are specifically a part of public realms. We should be looking to build train stations with washrooms again and these kinds of things, and that is part of the public realm and third spaces. And so I think bringing it into uh public spaces delivery. Um we could include it under basic amenities just generally, but I think explicitly calling out gives that direction beyond park space. Yeah. Uh in this area too, two areas that I sort of saw lacking. One was lighting, which is a big component of sort of public safety, you know, women being able to travel around in our public spaces, our public realm in comfort and safety. It's there's not really strong pieces in here on the policy side around adequate lighting conditions. And then the other one that feels like it should be here, and it is sometimes in some other elements of this document, but feels very much as a part of the urban form and public realm. It's sort of seasonality, winters, chinooks, Calgary. You know, delivering on on a very important part of the ecological side of things and how we're building our sites accordingly. I don't know if I missed something on either of those fronts fronts, either the lighting or the sort of seasonality, but um if not, maybe we should look to bring Thank you for that feedback. Happy to take a look and if Okay, great. in further That's great. 2.3.3 different um on the architectural uh design going to E in this section. Um we've got transparent facades there, uh and I'm just just wanted to get a bit of clarification around um it's continuous and transparent facades, what's meant by that. Thank you. So when we're talking about fine green details such as multiple uses in units, continuous and transparent facades, frequent entrances, outdoor patios, and featured lighting and signage. So continuous and transparent facades is really the idea of having glazing, having not having large blank walls, allowing eyes on the street, people to see in and out of the shops, and just creating a nicer pedestrian experience. Yeah, I think I and I get it. Um I also think though like we can have a mix and I think actually a lot of our like old um especially in actually like heritage um neighborhoods and stuff contextuality I think really matters and making sure that you're actually sort of fitting into the overall neighborhood context and not just landing glass right beside. That wasn't the intent, but we can take that away as a way to make sure that it doesn't read, is that you just have to have nothing but glazing. Yeah, it's glass all across the front. And I also think focusing on different unit sizes in here, uh, we really need to sort of have a whole mix and not just sort of build the standard size of like how do we deliver um, you know, a shopper's drug mart in every corner, but like what are we doing to actually have a whole mix of sizes and um that should be a part of our policy. And the thing that we're encouraging is the different sizes of commercial bays that we're installing, even in a single build. Uh bird friendly policy. Uh why not why just sort of in the ecological network and not making bird friendly policy? And I don't know what bird friendly policy is, it's not in the definitions. Uh Through the chair. I believe I will get the date approximate. About over 10 to 12 years ago, the city of Calgary approved a bird-friendly guidelines, and that exists as a non-statutory design document in the planning document library. And that includes specific details about what it means to be bird-friendly building. But it can include something as simple as those decals on windows and other pieces. And to embed that policy in the plan, the ecological network was the place to start with that, given the mobility of animals through the wildlife corridors through the city. Okay, so it'll refr yeah, that it it's referencing that standing plan. That's It is a a valid question though. I remember when I worked at the city years ago, which was a long time ago now, there was a lot of conversation about um towers downtown turning off their lights at night to prevent bird strikes because birds are attracted. And I know in other jurisdictions like Toronto, songbirds kills um during migrations and the downtown is a big problem. So we can take a look at if there is something else to add. Ways to encourage that, especially on I think like when we are looking at higher density uh builds and sort of how while it is uh gonna be most impactful along ecological corridors, I think looking at uh at a bit wider. Uh going into the mobility system 3.2, um we don't have car shares listed, and that's both in I guess 3.2 and I would say in your parking section, uh 3.2.7. There is no mention, uh there is like other uses of curbside space, but um we're not encouraging car share uh specifically within the policy, and that feels like something that should be maybe within the um prioritization sustainability uh and that sort of like um mobility priority chart that is there. We can definitely take a look at at the problem. That one. Great. Um Wheeling three point two point three has uh gotten a bit of Exposure today. Um, and it made me start thinking about last year, May, we had a skateboarder. 17-year-old kid died on our streets. But then it made me look at the mobility data we just received at CDC last week where we break out bicyclists. So I'm it actually it's speaking to me actually of we need to align our data and reporting back to council along the same lines as what we're proposing within these documents. Because we had two cyclists killed last year, but they were cyclists, and that was reported within the mobility report that we received last week. Uh, but scooters. people on um on on skateboards as that you know that seventeen year old was were not reported they were just reported as pedestrians and it's not giving us the correct sense of How much wheeling is actually impacting in terms of deaths, injuries on our roads, and we need to make sure that we have correct data so we can make good informed choices, and so making sure that I think this is across administration really lining up what if we're using wheeling within this document, I think it's on us to sort of make sure that we're aligning all of our statistics and the pieces that are being fed into our decision making along the same same guidelines. That's just more of a broad note. 3.2.7 um number are letter I. Municipal revenues from parking fees, it says here, may be reinvested in the areas where they were collected to support transit. I think it should be should, if not must. Especially as we have made our parking parking, especially as we're we're no longer sort of landing density all across in the same sorts of ways, and we are using parking on the curb side to incentivize and disincentivize cur parking on the curb. We don't want this to turn into something that a tax on high activity areas that is then going to pay for amenities in low. Activity areas. We don't want to be siphoning money out. And if the point and the purpose of this is to sort of regulate and make sure that we're using our curb parking efficiently, this is a way to make sure that we're funding and making sure we're putting back. So right now it's a may. I think it should be at least a should, and if not, a must to keep it in the areas in which the people are paying for those resources. I think that's a good example of direction we'd be looking for from council if there was agreement on that. Yeah, Yeah, we've heard I think we've heard different perspectives on that. sure. Yeah. One thing I would say is on the parking revenues, um, some of them do go to the business improvement areas to access as well. It's a great, it's a great program, right? Like the Kensington BIA receives money from the parking in and around there, which feeds into the overall programming and vibrancy of the space, which helps to keep it a high activity and vibrant area, much in line with the rest of this document. 4.3 We're going into sort of municipal civic facilities. One piece I think that is missing in here is a focus on aging facilities. There's sort of a lot of talk about sort of new facilities and how we're landing them and equity of placement and these kinds of things. And a piece that's really missing is sort of what we're doing in developed areas or redeveloping neighborhoods and how we're really tackling that on the whole. A lot of these policies really feel like they're I mean it does mention local area plans and these kinds of things, but it's how you tackle that problem and actually how we are going to make sure that we're delivering on the promises of civic facilities, especially with our aging community centers and rec facilities, feels like a gap within the overall civic facilities policy there. Uh 4.5, just the next page. Um, stormwater systems, there's a piece in here around parking, adding to our overall um stormwater management needs. And I wonder if we'd need stronger, it made me question whether we need stronger protections and uses of stormwater with parking, right? When we're landing buildings now on sites, we're doing stormwater collection, tanks on sites, these kinds of things. Should parking, which is a very big hard surface, be trying to do flood mitigation? And I know some great parking lots are actually doing great, you know, uh bioswales or these kinds of things that are keeping the stormwater on site. But I don't didn't, but but maybe I didn't see it when I was reading through. I didn't see those kinds of policy directions to have. parking lots work to keep storm water either on site with tanks or yeah. Would that be similar to one 4.5i, where green stormwater infrastructure within the park system but apply that to parking lots? Is that what you're thinking? Yeah, okay. Maybe it's yeah, it's just it's a huge hardscaped surface that is adding to the overall overruns on our stormwater management systems. And if we got that to actually do more locally and on site, I think it would really help with the city infrastructure that we need to maintain. Thank you. Hi, uh through your worship. Uh there is a policy in section 2.3.2 um H for uh green stormwater infrastructure principles to be incorporated into parking lot design. It is in the design section rather than the stormwater section. Nice. Great. Greenwater stormwater, green stormwater infrastructure principles should be incorporated into parking lot design more feasible. Thank you. Okay. Where feasible. Do we need that? If should is there? It's not a must. We could just get rid of the where feasible. Okay, let's go into uh 4.6. Uh I would recommend there a prioritization of composting specifically within the waste system, uh, just to help with that piece. And finally, um no, two more, sorry. Uh one is on 5.2.3. Councillor Clark already touched on this. Um, it's throughout this document the indigenous uh Engagement with Indigenous peoples is a may kind of throughout this document. And even I think in this preamble sort of speaks to it, it's just indigenous engagement may foster inclusive. It's like Indigenous engagement fosters inclusive urban development, period. Like this is the preamble. If we got to say may, even within that, I think we're not thinking about our commitments to reconciliation properly. We can't even sort of say it out loud that it does foster an inclusive development. That that sort of speaks to it, but then I think we need to look at the policies throughout here and make sure that we're we're starting to actively work on our engagement. piece there. The last one that I have is within the glossary section, building scale. I know that your low building scale is up to six stories. But what we're seeing actually in a lot of our scale building at that size, and especially if we're trying to encourage commercial on the bottom, is we're seeing uh a concrete podium for a single floor and then a six-story build on top of that. So it becomes a seven-story build. And I guess I just with it being sort of we're setting the determinations of height and and sort of building scale within this, but we're also trying to encourage commercial within these areas, those two feel like they might be at odds and that we might just end up building more six-story wood frame housing that doesn't incorporate commercial on the bottom, uh, if we don't allow for up to that seventh-story on the podium, or have some other mechanism to really incentivize maybe a six-story where it's five stories of um. uh wood structure on top of a concrete podium. I don't know if that's the kind of thing that you're sort of seeing within development, but I'm just noticing a lot of that in Yeah, we can definitely circle back with build and and industry and our inner city builder groups to talk to them about that as well. Um yeah, we you're definitely building code for wood is to six, but if what you were s seeing is concrete and then six wood on top, we'll we'll circle back and if we need to what's available as a sure. Possibility. Great. I think it's I think this is heading in in a better direction. I think that we need to start thinking about land use with how we move people around. And I really appreciate the tie-ins. I think starting to think about how we develop our spaces, how where we're landing density, how we're moving people around the city together instead of in separate documents is really how we build cities, right? And so to marry these two plans together, make it much more plain language, give people an expectation of what What they can see in terms of where we're going over the next couple of decades, I think this is definitely headed in that direction. I think that some of these changes and suggestions and working through some of these pieces would be great to sort of landing the document, but I definitely feel like this is heading us down a path that is much more human readable, much more for the public, and much more for just our accountability to citizens overall. So thanks for the work. All right. I I think we may have exhausted the questions. Nope. Uh Councillor Johnston. Please go ahead. When was the last time we did engagement for the Calgary Plan with the the public? Councillor, I'll ask um perhaps um Rachel Dillon to come up, but I will also turn your attention to attachment five. Um our summary is in there with the timeline, but I'll let Rachel speak to the specifics. Through your worship. Thank you for the question. So with the Calgary plan on its own, without talking about the zoning bylaw at the same time, that would have been in June 2024. However, we did engage with the zoning bylaw in September 2025, and that was a really important engagement period for us because I don't know if you remember a few hours ago when I listed off all the changes about context retreats, all of that came about through that zoning conversation because, as you all know, as people start to work through zoning, they could start to get a clearer picture of what will be built on the ground. So, us listening to that conversation, we were able to very easily identify improvements to the Calgary plan to reflect what people were talking about there. So I hope that clarifies. So the engagement process, you guys probably like rightfully so would believe it was a very important part of putting this plan together. Do you think this engagement process would have changed or could change if we were to start over now? Now we have new council, new environment, new Policy or land use uh policy changes, like do you think that engagement would change or substantially change? Uh through your worship. It's a it's a really excellent question. And thinking through it, I think that My first point would be when we look at how each phase kind of built on the other, the very first phase of engagement we did in late fall 2023, that when we talked about the current MDP and we presented all of the current strategic direction and the goals like growth around transit, ecological network, and we asked the public how they feel we're doing on them. Are they still important to them? And what was the major finding from that one was that these are still important to us. And as we've talked about this afternoon, most of the direction that we have in the Calgary plan is very consistent with the current MDP. And that first engagement really set the tone that, okay, most of the direction is still valid. And then it's really about these precise refinements that are needed to help people understand the document better, as well as update the plan based on the current circumstances. So my hypothesis is if we were to start again, we would likely continue to hear that Calgary's priorities are pretty consistent with what we heard in 2023 when we reconfirmed them, which are consistent with what the plan the current MDP has. Would there be exact metrics of what you heard? Because I understand you guys had a very broad uh engagement process, and I'm just wondering, is there a set of standards you use for collecting that for against yes no um smiley face, ad face? Like, is there a set of metrics that you could share with us that you learn from that? Uh through your worship. The what we have, and I think maybe we could take it away and look at see how we could aggregate things, because the engagement data is presented in a few different ways in each of the phases, what we heard reports. A lot of them had online surveys that resulted in bar graphs and quantification to show how people ranked different things or what they thought was more important than other things. And then other engagement was more conversational and qualitative based, wherever we digitized people's comments. Verbatim from common forms or from post its from engagements. So we have verbatim comments of everything we heard throughout the engagement process. But we could look at seeing how we could consolidate from those five phases for you, if that would be helpful And just from you guys as a a team working like Did you find any potentially discrepancies on maybe different parts of the city that were for this, against it? Um did it kind of align with um potentially what the blanket rezoning sentiment was at the same time? through your worship. That is another really good question. And I think that A lot of it did. I think the big things about context absolutely was something that we heard. But how people interpret context does vary, which isn't which is unsurprising depending on what part of the city they're from and the unique character of their neighborhoods. So context as a headline, yes, but details, variability. Choice was absolutely huge, and it's the same thing that because the plan operates at quite a high level, people could generally agree about more housing choice, more mobility choice. But then as things start to get more detailed, uh that's when uh there is maybe some discrepancy in and different perspectives and it does vary across the city um but also within communities as well like we'll hear different opinions in the same ward or the same neighborhoods so they're a city of 1.5 million we do hear a lot of different opinions for sure. Um kind of thinking in my head here, it I could imagine it being difficult having to bridge um plans between councils, right? Um Yeah, like I that I I mean because there might be two different councils that think completely differently. So I I mean I do appreciate you guys having to deal with that aspect of this. And it's almost like I wish one of these plans could probably just stick to one council because now I fear this is gonna potentially get pushed back another year or two, and then we're just in limbo. Um could you guys speak to what the budget was for this plan? Councillor Johnston, Council approved a budget of $17 million for the overall city building program. Which includes the Calgary Plan, the zoning bylaw, and the street manual. Have we reached that budget on this? Not not yet. Not yet. Okay. We are on track and under budget at this point. Okay. Um when you guys did engagement, I guess I'm not trying to be too selfish here, but word 14, like what was the process for potentially like La Buena Vista was very against blanket rezoning, right? And I understand this isn't blanket rezoning, but there's a feel to it and people feel things and they have a right to feel that way. How would I? Explain to them that within 600 meters of Canyon Meadows, Southland, that a 27 plus story could be built midway through Bonavista under this plan. Right? I don't think they'd be very happy with that. Again, everything goes through land use now, but depending on what the council is, all of those could be approved. So what would you best help us or myself explain this to a resident in Bonavista? Councillor Johnson through the chair. We would be more than happy to meet with you and any of the counselors and on on two levels is what based on what I'm hearing today. Um, share with you the engagement that we've done, um, show you where all the what we heard reports are on Calgary.ca, walk you through that, and then also we can have a award conversation with you about um the city structure map, what that looks like, how the policies align, and what to help you explain to your constituents. We'd be happy to have that conversation with you. I think I'll leave it there for now. Thank you. All right. I see nobody else in the queue. Would anyone like to I understand there's a potential amendment, but would anyone like to move the main at this time to get on the table? All right, Councillor Chabot has uh moved that. Is there a seconder? Seconded by uh Councillor Yule. All right, uh I'm looking to Councillor Ward on an amendment. Yes, uh I've just sent it through to clerks uh based on the conversation we've had here. Uh so basically the amendment would be to remove uh recommendation two and three and replace them with um directing administration not to proceed with further development of the draft Calgary plan and recommendation three direct administration to identify specific deficiencies in the current municipal development plan and Calgary Transportation Plan and return to council no later than Q2 2027 with targeted amendments to those plans, including associated cost estimates, implementation requirements, and infrastructure implications. Um the biggest problem that I have with this is. the definitions of how things are. So we say the highest densities of housing should be located within four hundred meters of the existing or planned primary transit network. So I went to the trouble of mapping this out for Ward 11 and for Ward 6 because I got bored. Um In this, I don't know if they can't get this, but this is what it looks like. It's basically the entire ward. So if we look at ward six, it's also basically the entire ward. And then if we look at the definition of high activity neighborhood, which defines as 600 meters, now it is absolutely 100% definitely the entire ward. So we have these categories for different types of areas, but At least for Ward 11 and probably Ward 6, it's the entire ward. Um the what l the main argument here is that uh regardless of the terminology we use here, residents will reasonably conclude that this plan establishes a citywide expectation for substantial intensification across most uh uh across most wards. And in my opinion, administration has not proven that we need a new an MDP here. Um so before we spend more time, money, and admin resources advancing or replacement MDP, I believe admin must first demonstrate why replacing the existing framework is necessary in the first place. Uh the current MDP has guided Calgary's growth for many years. And as we learned, well, I already knew, but as we learned today, that it underwent an update in 2020, and yet I haven't seen clear uh evidence that it is fundamentally broken or incapable of being improved through targeted amendments. And what I see before us today is not a simple update, it's a wholesale replacement of the highest level planning document. This is a pretty significant undertaking. If we believe that there's shortcomings in the current NDP MDP, then we should identify them. And if there are policies that require modernization, then bring forward those amendments. If there are gaps, show us the gaps. But replacing the entire MDP should require a compelling case supported by evidence, fiscal analysis, infrastructure analysis, and a clear explanation of why targeted amendments are insufficient. I don't believe that case has been made. And my amendment simply directs administration to focus on improving the existing MDP rather than continuing down the path of replacement. I believe it's more prudent, fiscally responsible, and an accountable approach. Uh so that is the the basis of my amendment. And I would ask people to support it. Thank you. Uh do we have a seconder from the amendment? Second by Councillor Johnston? Yep. All right, uh I'm going through the queue for this. Uh Councillor Johnston, on Councillor Ward's amendment, please. Is it possible to amend the current MDP? Just It is. I can't tell you what the scope of work would be at this point because we didn't address it. We did not approach this work as an MDP amendment. We approached it as a combination of The Municipal Development Plan and the Cavalry Transportation Plan. So it's a very different scope of work. I can't give you an estimate of time or cost to do that. how long was the original MDP plan supposed to last? It was intended to be a 60-year document with 10-year updates. And that started in 2020 or 2000? 2009 is when the municipal development plan was adopted. Okay, so 2020 was an update. 2020 was a light touch update. We have not done a 10 year review in fall. This was the first real 10 year review after 17 years. So how many years left technically on that original plan? Quick uh quick. 52. Okay. All right. Is that right? No. Thir 32? 43. 43. My mouth was bad. That's okay. Um, okay, so w what's the point of putting dates to these? Have we ever seen through a 30-year plan before? We had a municipal development plan from the 80s that is what was updated in 2009. It was it was under a different name, but it did have a long term life. Right. Okay. Uh I would just like to say the current MDP plan, along with some of the LAPs, along with a brief introduction of uh blanket rezoning, um, the current MDP plan was a backboard for the largest growth, if not uh Well, in our history, but for sure in the country of Canada for um new home starts. Um I mean I'm I'm with Councillor Ward on this. I think we can just solidify the MDP right now um and get that done quicker and then get on to working on in my hope would be smaller LAPs, which is where a lot of this would be granular and more ward specific, neighborhood specific. Um this just feels overreaching. Um, and I would hope the rest of council would support this amendment. All right, uh on the amendment, Councillor Wynus? Thanks. How much will it cost us to start doing the MDP work and drop this? I don't have a cost estimate. I've never scoped that work. I need to take that away, Councillor. We have a ballpark, like because we allocated what was it? I would say I I don't even want to estimate a guess. It it would depend on the level of engagement. That is expected from council. So so if we were to expect you to consult with Calgarians, it we'd be Pretty much reallocating another $17 million budget item. Don't believe it would be $17 million. I I've seen a rough ballpark. seven to ten million. Okay, and then pretty much everything we spent up to this point is a wash. Correct. I think I think that's the the challenging spot. I like we still have to have an M M D P document and we're trying to align our plans and see also like as much as the Calgary Plan is a challenging document right now, it showcases the Problems within our other plans that are all tying up within our business units. So when we sit here and get frustrated that we're not getting fire halls built, or our communities are asking us for uh some kind of amenity, it's because those plans don't cross pollinate until it's actually going into the ground. This document is at least showing us that there's a lot of work that needs to happen to connect the dots. I'd rather connect the dots in the theory part of it than have admin. deliver a service, have the built form in the ground, and then have to go reinvest money after we've spent millions of dollars. And I get it. This is hard. This is frustrating. Uh I'm frustrated with the document as it is right now. Um but I would rather at least try and fix this document because we've already sunk at least ten million wherever your account is at right now than wash it and then spend another 10 to still end up in a spot where we're still blowing so much money around this organization. So Yeah, I'm not going to support this one. I think the other amendments that come that's going to come next is more supportable given we have to watch our um spending and try and connect the dots on so many different plans that are being created in this organization. Yep. Uh I think that's it. I'll go actually I'll I'll just briefly say basically what Councillor Wynus said uh for my debate. I agree with you fully, Councillor. I'll go to Councillor Ward to uh close. Yeah. Um so at the end of the day, this this amendment comes down to one simple question is has administration demonstrated to you that Calgary needs a new Municipal development plan, not a different municipal development plan, not a preferred municipal development plan, a necessary municipal development plan. Because replacing the highest level document for planning in our city should not be undertaken simply because administration has worked on it for several years. It should be undertaken because there is a clear and compelling need. So throughout today's discussion, I've heard you know many explanations of what the Calgary Plan does. It's it expla explanations about housing policies, about mobility policies, about growth policies. What I have not heard is a convincing explanation of why these objectives cannot be achieved through targeted amendments to the existing MDP. We've recently come through one of the largest planning debates the city's ever seen. Thousands participated days long, and council provided clear direction. Now, only months later, we're being asked to continue advancing a new planning framework that many residents will reasonably view as reopening many of the same questions that we just addressed. I don't believe it's the right path. The amendment doesn't stop planning, it doesn't prevent improvements, it it it does not prevent modernization, even. It simply says that before we replace a functioning MDP, administration should clearly identify what is broken. what needs to change, and why they cannot be accomplished through amendments to the existing framework. That's a reasonable request, and I'm going to use the line because we love to throw it around. That's good governance. And that is why I ask for your support. The burden was never on us as a council to prove that the existing MDP should stay. The burden was on administration to prove that it should be replaced. And I don't believe that burden has been met. Closed. All right. Um Mr. Clerk, let's engage the U boat, please, on this amendment. Councillor McLean, your vote, please. Yes. Mayor Farkas, your vote. No. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On that, the motion has been defeated. Uh 5 to 10 with Councillors Schmidt, Kelly, Daliwall, Panasopoulos, Atkinson, Clark, Yule, Chabot, Wyness, and myself opposed. All right, I'm gonna go to uh Councillor Panizopoulos. Thanks so much. Uh to move an amendment. For clarity, we're back to the original motion, correct? Yep. That's right. Fantastic, fantastic. Sorry. Um, you know, I echo some comments that were said earlier. I think this is probably going to be the biggest decision that this council will make, even in excess of our four year plan, because we're looking at that top of house strategic vision for the next 30 years for development in the city of Calgary. 17 years ago, we've heard lots of stories about what the city looked like, what's happened, marginal changes, everything's changed. We've almost doubled our population. There's a hundred reasons why things are different. Came out of an election, came out of blanket rezoning, lots. For this council and to get our voice, this is our first chance. This is our first chance to look at this statutory document, come together, and just think of the debate we've had today, we had yesterday, we had last week, and the conversations we're going to have with this in the next few months. This is exactly what is required. This is the heavy lifting, rolling up our sleeves, and getting there and getting our vision, our vision, what we heard at the doors, the tens of thousands of doors that we knocked, what we want to see for growth for the next 30 years in the city of Calgary. This amendment is asking for more time, looking into January. Not for any other reason than to debate. We do want to debate, to engage, but most importantly, develop a plan that works for Calgarians. This is not a kick the can. This is a commitment. This is do the heavy lifting and hard work. This is going down 1.1, here's what I like, here's what I don't like. 1.2, have we thought about this? Getting that data, understanding, engaging with Calgarians, saying, this is what it looks like, what do you think? How do we think of this across the whole city? I think it's so important. The reason for this versus something later in 28 or 29 comes down to that land use. It is uh a Frankenstein at best. We know we have to amend it. It's been amended a thousand times, we have to come back. And they work together. So this is something that's very critical. We get our Calgary plant to somewhere that we like. We then come into the land use, which is really a huge driver. And maybe I'll sort of just close on for the ones that say, hey, this is pretty darn good, let's keep it there. Let's work with our colleagues. Let's incorporate their changes, their perspective, their learned experiences, what their Calgarians want, what their ward residence and bring it, make it better. And to those who want to say no, let's just kill it. Let's fix what's wrong. If you see something, this is the chance. Work with your colleagues, address it. How can we make a better Calgary? This is the opportunity instead of killing it. And work towards really the best it can be. We're gonna get this right by working together. It's gonna be hard, it's gonna be difficult. There's a hard timeline here. Come back in January. We have the time, it's after our budget, and I think we're gonna come to really good Calgary, and we're gonna wake up in four years and hopefully in 40 years and say, hey, we did something special. So with that, I hope everybody can support this amendment to continue the conversation and do the heavy lifting that we were elected for and required to make sure Calgary becomes and still remains the best city in Canada. Thank you. All right, uh that's been open and seconded by Councillor Clark. I'm gonna go to Councillor Yule in the queue. The question for administration, we talked about those um sister documents uh aligning. Um does this timeline work for land use bylaw as well? Yes, it does. Okay. So with that I will be supporting this. Thank you. All right, uh Councillor Wynos. Thanks. And I just want to make sure that we're already in the draft, so that's a little challenging. Is but the expectation of admin is that you will do one on ones with counsel, lunch and learns, and actually have feedback sessions to edit the document. I think that's just one thing that's a little bit missed in this. If I may clarify through the chair, through mayor. We're not going to we yes we will do one-on-ones, yes we will hold lunch and learns or whatever other form that looks like that is helpful. We will not be making edits to the document until we have direction from council because as we heard today on the floor there were some different differing perspectives from different counselors. So we will we will hear from from counselors. I'll look for a way to to make sure we're sharing those updates of what we're hearing back to all of you. But I would ask council if you would like changes in the document that we receive that clear direction, please, from council, and that can come in January. Okay. Um so does that mean our January meeting will be where we sit down and hash out what you've heard and turn those into the directive for amendments before we go into public engagement? Because I know this document, as this council's had the conversation today, is not fit for engagement with the community as we see the changes we want to implement. This is kind of why I thought we were having the the workshop behind the scenes today in camera to actually come out of it with direction for you to change to this document and We didn't end up doing that today. So um is there a possibility that we could put you on an agenda at IPC and create craft like after you've had say one on ones, have an IPC item and then write some directive for the policy change of the document before you report back on that date? Or will we have to craft another That is up to the will of council. but do I have to do oh well an MAO. Ms. Davies Murphy would like to offer something. I wonder if through the engagement we could produce a essentially a what we heard report that demonstrates where there's alignment and where there's um disagreement, if you will. And use that as our jumping off point for the conversation Yeah. in January. But we would do that engagement. I think the difficulty is we can't take individual direction for That's that's why today was supposed to be the like let's hash it out and shape this document. Um I actually see this direction as almost a continuation of today. We're gonna I I know, Madam Clerk, this is not the terminology, but kind of pause this discussion today, go ahead and have those one on ones, and then come back and get to where we were hoping to get to today. But just in January. okay. And because it's a report back by, we can always have you come sooner if there is something. Knowing what council has in front of them with budget in November, I think that's why, and maybe Councillor Pantozopoulos can speak to the timing of January. No, I I understand the timing of January, but I'm just thinking like if we've done one on ones, the more we can start shaping the document, the more successful we will be able to find where we're aligned or dis in disagreement at January. I don't wanna restart the conversation from this starting point because I know we will. live an insanity loop and do it all over again. Um and that's where I'm challenged with how do we shape like maybe okay. Uh ponder something, thanks. I'm gonna attempt I'm gonna insert myself into the queue here and uh attempt to to square this. Uh I think if I'm hearing you, Councillor Wynus, uh and if I'm hearing you correctly, I agree. I I believe that this perhaps needs some direction to collect some of the feedback and come forward with a maybe a suite of amendments or amendment package that reflects the um The what was heard from the council members. I'd like to have this back in our hands uh by January, but perhaps with a suite of amendments that could be made that reflect what those conversations were with the the 15 of us. And it'll be somewhat challenging for administration to put together a set that would reflect the uh unanimity amongst us, but perhaps if they're keeping a tally where you know eight of us, ten of us come up with the same theme that you know that's relatively straightforward for us to consider and potentially adopt at that time. I I worry a bit about us losing momentum. Do you do you have thoughts uh on that, uh Jim Hamilton? Yes, Mayor, perhaps we were just talking. Perhaps we could do, as was suggested, a a what we heard report, and yes, we could flush out if all of you are in agreement on X. We could let you know if there was a difference of opinion on Y. And perhaps what we could bring that to an earlier council. Or even just as a briefing. And then that would prepare you for the January conversation. It it'd be great in that January conversation if we can sort of level set and s kind of get past what may be the unanimity uh and then we can really hash out what might be the more contentious pieces. I apologize and maybe I misunderstood. We'd be we'd be happy to bring something to that January Okay. council with what we heard. I was thinking you were wanting it earlier. Uh no I th I think January at the latest. It kinda makes sense for air traffic control, at least from my perspective. I think you're right with budgets. Uh But um it would be good for the the specificity in that what we heard report to be relatively straightforward for us to take that language more or less copy paste and place it in front of the meeting and maybe it's a series of I'm thinking maybe five to ten thematic amendments that you have some hand in in helping shape so that the intent is clear and we have the ability to debate those. Absolutely. If there is clarity, we will recommend the exact change, you know, specific changes. So based on this direction, do you do you need a further amendment to establish what we heard or? We have it. We we will do as we just discussed. It so just to be clear to make sure that I'm I'm happy to vote for this, uh we'll be you'll be engaging in those sessions with each of the individual members of council. You'll be hearing from us which what we think works, what doesn't work. And ideally you'll be performing a bit of a tally on certain trends, if certain topics come up that are either negative or need to be changed, then you know if it hits a certain threshold, you'll have we'll have the ability to relatively easily make those adjustments at that January meeting. Yes, Mayor. Okay, great. Uh to further just debate it, I want to say thanks, uh, Councillor Wynus for leaning in so heavily in the conversation. Thank you, Councillor Panasopoulos, for bringing forward the amendment. Thank you just generally to the team and uh our excellent consultants on this as well. I think you've really earned your keep. Uh this is really complicated, uh complex stuff. Uh we're we're moving uh million miles an hour on so many different uh pieces here. Uh I think what's missing is uh really what could inform our 10 year capital plan. It would be great for us to have that 50 year vision, but Ideally, I'd like to have a little bit more uh urgency in terms of what capital infrastructure uh spends need to be made uh for us to be able to make those priorities to to bring this plan to life uh ultimately. So over to uh Councillor Yelly or Kelly rather for uh That was unfortunate. Am I supposed to yell my question now? Is that what I'm supposed to do? No, I think that uh I had two questions, and I think both may have been addressed within the last minute here. Uh uh first one was uh just through clerks, I was at a question about uh and the remaining recommendations to be renumbered, because of course we're replacing one to three with this with this amendment. Um uh and uh clerks let me know that there will be uh the uh confidential what would have been number four will now be number two. So I uh uh just to hold that confidential. So I I appreciate that clarity. And then my second bit was just uh exactly what we were talking about that Councillor Wein has brought forward because I want to make sure that while we are giving ourselves some more time through this amendment. I don't want to slow down. I want to move forward in terms of this and continue make sure that over the next few months, despite the fact that we are going to be debating a four-year budget, that we are making some progress. And by the time we get to January, my expectation at least would be that we as council will feel comfortable approving the original recommendation that we got here today. So for me, I'm I'm happy to support this only because I think that as we heard here today, there's a lot of questions still that rightfully need to be answered just because we're a new council. We were not privy to the previous version of this document. That being said, I really applaud the administration for bringing forward a version of this that is much simpler than the previous one. My vote against the previous amendment was simply because that previous one had so much redundancy in it. It uh uh it was far too complex and trying to do far too many things that LAPs rightfully should be doing, etc. So I I I am supportive of the work that you've done here in getting it down. So I think it's 96 pages. That's great, but I still have a lot of questions about some of the things there. And this format in this in the chamber like this is not the best way to be able to do this. So um My question I guess that I have at this point, and I think it was maybe addressed through with there with the mayor. But I want to make sure that like what we're going to see in advance of January is a suite of potential amendments, things that come coming from counselors, so that we can actually go through them one by one to uh uh whether it be in a uh a more informal session or whatever it is, just to make sure that we're moving forward and so that we have an updated version of this document coming down the road. Uh because I don't want to lose anything that we managed to do here today, and then everything that I think that we have in lunch and learn some one on ones. Um I don't think I need a response from you. Well, I will maybe I will ask, just like, yes, indeed, we will get some information far in advance here, correct? We will be reaching out and having one-on-ones with you. We'll be having lunch and learns, and I will hold you to the fact that you want to keep that momentum going. We will work on the what we heard report as soon as we can. And I'm being directed to read an email. Okay. And uh lost my train of thought. Um and we will prepare draft policy amendments for you to uh consider in January and give us direction on in January. A reminder to council January again will not be a decision on the Calgary plan. It will simply be hey administration, please include these different amendments. Go and engage on it and come back for a public hearing of council, whereby you'll hear from the public, you'll hear about whether the public enjoys, likes, or dislikes the new amendments or not, and the other policies, and you'll make your decision at a public hearing. That all matches my understanding. So thank you very much. I appreciate that. And if we don't need an amendment to do that, we're all in agreement that that's what we're talking about here. I'm happy to support this. Thank you. Uh Councillor Chabot. Yeah, no, I think we sh need to give administration direction. Um and I think Councillor Wynus uh articulated it quite well. It's a very simple amendment. I sent it to clerks. Hopefully it satisfies what she was looking for. I also was struggling with this because I wanted to give administration direction today based on what was said around the table. And I know that everyone took a bunch of notes. They had things to say specifically, things they wanted to address. I think it would be prudent for us, uh maybe actually necessary or uh in good governance to actually give direction to administration to actually undertake specific action. To that point, I've suggested an amendment to this amendment, which is just to add those words into it, which is to um how did I how did I put it? I believe it was include a what we heard report. What we heard report following engagement with council members, because that's the intent, right? This to do one on ones with council members and to give that direction for then to then bring back that what we heard report. Without making assumptions that they will, this is saying. Please do this or and bring that report back so that we have a starting point. And and then maybe they can consolidate some of those findings and say here's where council was aligned, here's where they weren't aligned as part of what we heard report. Um but it's still gonna be up to council to make a decision on on what changes, if any, um are gonna come out of all that that process. So I'm suggesting that. I think it fixes it. I hope you can support it. I can support. I can support it with this. I'm not sure I could have supported it the way it was before because it didn't provide direction. I wanted us to provide direction to administration today. I think this does that. Okay. I believe it's to insert the words after Calgary plan, so direct administration to return with the draft Calgary plan. And then the words would be inserted, including a what we heard report from engagement with council members, and then directly to council in 2027. So I'll give uh our clerk steam a moment to get that up. I believe that's seconded by Councillor Kelly. Now the the amendment to the amendment is on the table. Uh Councillor Atkinson, are you on the amendment or the amendment to the amendment? Okay. I think this is relatively straightforward. Uh uh City Administration says they're they're gonna be doing it, so let's uh jump to the vote. Okay. Mm Mr. Clerk, let's engage the boat. Mayor, just before you engage the vote, um, we had characterized Councillor Chabot's amendment to the amendment as a new recommendation directing administration to include a what we heard report. So just the intent is the same. Um I just heard you say to include the words following Calgary plan. Is that Then you would have to the way that you have it there, you'd probably have to strike after quote Calgary plan uh quote. Because it was intent was just to insert those words after Calgary plan as it exists in the previous. we'll just need a minute um to redraft that prior to launching the vote. Okay, no problem. No problem. If that's the revised one, I think we still have to delete the last three words. Because it's not after the Calgary plan. It's uh it was intended to be after the words Calgary plan and the initial recommendation. Yeah, Councillor Schubel. Yes, sorry, maybe I wasn't clear in my proposal. Yeah. I think this is good now. The the way that it's up there on the screen. Alright, uh, I think that captures the intent here. I think we're uh Councillor Shabot, if you're comfortable with how that's been transcribed. It's more the more important part is whether administration um understands what the intent of this motion is. I already committed to doing it, so yes. So you're good with that. All right. Yeah, they're they're committed. Let's uh engage the evote, please. Nope. We're not ready. Okay. And and if then in that case, I will pontificate a little bit more. You have an opportunity to close. Go ahead. Um so in in the past I I remember having all kinds of debates in council and and through the discussion I had understood that that we had given administration specific direction on on what it was that we wanted to do. And when the minutes came out, I was like, this isn't what we voted on. And and and uh Councillor McKiver at the time, he said, well, Councillor Shabot, I've got the video, let's review it. And we reviewed it. And in fact, that was in fact a conversation that had taken place. But as Councillor McKyver pointed out at the time, he says, however, Councillor Shabot or Alderman Chabot at the time, he says, if you look at the screen on what it was that was before us, you'll note that the motion that was before us says this. I get what you're saying about what the verbal communication and what you suspect the direction was. Ultimately, what council voted on was this wording. So that's not to be misdirecting administration. I think it's always good to have the specific wording so that there's no confusion as to what ultimately the work is that's going to be undertaken. So appreciate your willing to commit to it at GM Hallton. Just want to make sure that we're clear on the direction. Alright, Mr. Clerk, uh, how are we doing? Just about there. All right, perfect. Looking good. All right, uh, I think that captures uh Councillor Shabot's Intent and it's the exact thing that was submitted. So uh based on that, let's engage the e-vote. Councillor Ward, your vote, please. Councillor McLean Uh yes. and Mayor Fargas. Yes. Yeah, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. And that motion is carried 15 to 0 on uh a amendment to this amendment. Uh Councillor Johnson, please. Councillor Johnson? You can go ahead. Um, so sorry, yeah, my amendment to the amendment was just to just be a little bit more granular and what to expect to come back from administration in January. Um, and for me, I think it'd be really important to see what administration can do on surveying um neighborhoods specifically and the impact of what this uh Calgary plan would have. Like I understand. To be honest, there's a lot of questions still that I don't have, and I I I would imagine a lot of one-on-one between myself and uh administration would probably resolve most of this, but I think for me this would be a good way for us to stretch our legs with what the KPMG survey of surveys came out with. Um because I'll be honest, I did this for six months last year. And I could imagine there's a lot of neighborhoods in Ward 14 wouldn't be necessarily happy with some of the terms and wordage inside the Calgary plan. So I I just think I don't have well I g I could do it again, I guess, 30,000 homes, but if there's a way that uh administration could do their end of the engagement, um, and I think this would bring in a bit of that engagement I had asked about during my questions. And that would be we'll see what engagement looks like on this side of the council meeting. Um I don't know how to be more granular than that, other than if it's possible within administration's budget to do honestly, even like a light survey or even if it's a single town hall or Or even being a part of a town hall that Ward set up themselves. Um, but just to be a part of that, but then come up with a report of potentially the impacts, because I mean 600 meters from C train stations goes deep into a lot of neighborhoods, and I think those people would want to say and to be heard, right? There's there's listening, but then actually being heard are two different things. So um does this make sense? Is there something the administration can do to ensure that people are Actually talk to and actually listen to with honestly a survey. Like we talked to a thousand people in Ward 12, Ward 11, Ward 13, and 60% said they were okay with it, right? And I think that would go a long way for me making decisions going further. Thank you, Councillor Johnson, through the chair. If I may, I might make some suggestions. I would probably suggest that we have our one-on-one conversations so that we can get to, as you said, most of this here and and clarify for each of you. We would want to do engagement after January as as per the motion. And at that point, we could determine what that engagement looks like for that final phase. I know Ms. Davies Murphy has asked the KPMG consultants to do a I'm going to say an audit, but it's like not a formal audit, but review what we've done so far with respect to engagement and how that aligns with their report and their recommendations. And so obviously any learnings from that we are going to incorporate in phase six anyway. So perhaps your amendment to the amendment is maybe a little bit premature right now, but could come in January in helping determine what that engagement looks like. That way we can discuss what are the options and budget around that as well between now and then. My fear is that it says the final phase, and I was hoping to get that assessment impact before the final phase because I feel the final phase is the final phase. Like there's not much after the final phase. I mean, that's Charizard, like what's past that? Nothing. So the final phase means the phase before public hearing, and that's where you're also going to hear from the public at the public hearing for this plan. If you are asking for another round of engagement, I will come back to council with some budget requests probably. Can I put that in there to ask administration to come back with a budget request? I just want to make sure we get this right, right? This is gonna define a lot of what we do going forward. And the goal is to make it so the next council doesn't have to reverse this. So I would rather get it right, even if that means spending a little bit of money, but maybe it's just me that wants to ensure that uh I uh 30,000 people. I I just you guys did your engagement. I just don't know if it was enough. with this. So So fair comments. Given council wo would like to consider giving us different direction in January. I'm not sure about the efficiency of engaging folks right now with surveys, et cetera, when the plan and the policies may change in January rather than doing it after January. okay. I'll refer to you guys for that. So I just wanted to put it out there. Um but you're saying My suggestion is to recon reconsider your request and your ideas here in January. Yeah. Okay. I will yep, I'll accept that. So I'll leave my amendment for January then. Thank you. Uh just for the record, Charizard can evolve into mega Charizard X. You need to go to the Stone Emporium and it's 100,000 Pokemon dollars. So uh just for the record, we'll There's another phase after the final phase There is another book. Indeed, and this is uh this is absolutely I'm I'm picking up what you're throwing down, Councillor Johnston. Uh on uh the amendment to the amended amendment, uh Councillor Weinus, please. He pulled it so I don't need to Oh, speak to it. sorry, you're not uh placing it? No, it was just uh to speak to what Lannin was putting forward, but since he's not gonna place it, I d I don't need to speak to it. Okay. Just want to make sure you're not placing that, Councillor Johnston. not till January. Okay. Thank you. Okay, so there's nothing uh in front of us here. Uh Councillor Atkinson, then on the amended amendment. Uh, I guess, yeah, my concern is just uh if we're doing tally style or whatever, do we lose some of the uh good stuff that is maybe suggested by one person and so that we don't have to just laundry list you with every good change or whatever? I don't want to have to say glacial erratics because I want that to just be taken care of by another Councillor and being sort of brought forward and hopefully unanimous because it's a good idea, and I don't have to necessarily go through every single thought and and put it forward just to add to a tally result. Um More so this idea of unanimity no matter the level, uh, so that so that we do also have potentially smaller ideas, um, good things, good potential changes brought forward that maybe are not necessarily said over and over and over again by counselors. So Councillor Atkinson, I think that's a fair comment and we would take all feedback and represent that in the what we heard report. I think what we're trying to address is where there's opposing um That's great. ideas Yes. that we'd want to fairly represent that there's some tension that needs to be resolved, and we're seeking direction from council at that point. Totally fair. Just want to make sure that the smaller ones don't just get cut off because of a threshold of uh yeah. Great. Thank you. Councillor Weinus on the amended amendment. Okay, uh anybody else on the amended amendment? Okay, back to Councillor Panasopoulos to close on the your amendment as amended. Perfect. You know, I think we just witnessed the power that we're gonna see over the next four months. Thank you, Councillor Chabot. Thank you, Councillor Y Ness, saying, you know what, I liked it, but we need this to make sure that we get it approved. This is exactly what's happening. It was 15 0. That's exactly what we're gonna go over the next. It's gonna be What is it? Rock'em sok 'em, just like old uh Don Cherry used to do. But that's I'm excited about that. This was just a simple example of this makes it better. Thank you for putting that in. And looking forward to the next six months. And I'll just close on Councillor Kelly. Don't want to slow down. Let's keep the momentum going. Calgarians expect it. Calgarians deserve it. And with that, Mr. Mayor, I'm closed. Thank you. All right, uh let's engage the e-vote, please, on this amendment as amended. Councillor Ward, your vote please. Councillor Johnson? Councillor McLean? Yes, And Mayor Fargus? Yes. All the votes are in. All right, uh please display the results. On that, the motion is carried 15 to 0. We're back on the uh amended main. Uh Councillor Wynus. I don't have an RTS you can check that one. Oh, okay. I'll strike that. Sorry, I thought there were two separate ones. Anyone else on uh the main motion here now as amended before I go to Councillor Chabot to close on a completely different motion than he moved. I'll just repeat uh I think really good uh start to the work. Uh really appreciate the work that's been done. Uh um for all of us, I think we we probably gotta get used to that. A lot of work will get started before we arrived here in our current roles. Uh we'll steward it. A lot of work won't complete until uh we're probably long gone in our roles, but I think this is one of those examples of things we'll be able to get. Done well and in a great spot before we finish here. So again, just a giant shout out to the staff who've been involved in this. There's a lot of fine tuning that we need to do to reflect uh what we heard during the course of the campaign, what we're gonna hear in real time from Calgaryans. But uh it's a very exciting piece of work to be involved in because this is the the plan that'll steward perhaps the two millonth Calgary and perhaps even the three month. So again, just big kudos to the team and everyone involved in in getting us to this park. Uh back to uh Councillor Chabot to close on uh the main motion as amended. Yeah. Um first I wanna I want to uh thank administration for the work that they put into this. It's couldn't have been easy to consolidate the municipal development plan uh with the Calgary Transportation Plan. I think the proposal they they put before us was a very solid undertaking in regards to making that consolidation. I don't know that necessarily this council is directly aligned with the previous councils that had that had adopted the previous MDPs and CTPs, which is why I think this work is critical to make sure that this becomes this council's direction. Uh hopefully it's it's a it's a direction that can be followed uh uh with subsequent councils and that it can last for a long time, maybe well into the future. But I don't I don't imagine that it will last forever. I mean things change. Uh th uh cities will continue to evolve and there's a high likelihood that sometime in the in the future um whatever we come up with will also be amended by future councils. So I think this is uh this is a good uh Position to be taking with this plan. It has generated some additional work from my perspective because I did have a quick review of the previous amendment to the MDP. Obviously, it took a lot of time going over the original MDP being part of Imagine Calgary and Planet. So I've I've had a chance to review many of these documents several times over the years. So this is going to give me the opportunity to review it once again just to refamiliarize myself with. what the original intent was and and how we can move forward based on on how things have changed over time. And I've been around to witness it. So I know firsthand how things have changed. So happy to support this recommendation. Looking forward to further work and engagement with my colleagues on on what the best plan is going to be on a go forward basis with the direction from this council. Closed. All right, let's engage the e-vote on the amended main motion. Please Councillor McLean, your vote please. yes. Mayor Fargus? yes. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. All right. The uh motion is carried 13 to 2 with councillors Johnston and Ward opposed. Uh I don't think there's any other business here. Uh any administrative inquiries, uh, Mr. Clerk? Yep. Uh can I get a motion to adjourn? Moved by Councillor Keeler. I've never seen that hand go up so fast. All right, that's been moved by Councillor Kelly, seconded by Councillor Clark. Uh all in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that is carried. 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