{ "file": "/tmp/tmpko9kcwv7/b9d71952-2f41-42a6-9507-0d15774d4740.mkv", "segments": [ { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1627.925, "end": 1637.585, "text": "Good afternoon, everyone. I would like to call the March 26, 2026 meeting of the Calgary Planning Commission to order. Clerks, would you please conduct a roll call?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1638.625, "end": 1641.105, "text": "Yes, thank you, Chair. On the roll, Commissioner Beckler," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1641.985, "end": 1643.125, "text": "Commissioner Campbell Walters," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1645.705, "end": 1646.645, "text": "Commissioner Damiani," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1649.365, "end": 1650.125, "text": "Commissioner Hardwick," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 1650.785, "end": 1651.045, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1651.885, "end": 1652.565, "text": "Commissioner Harlick?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1653.605, "end": 1653.805, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1654.665, "end": 1655.545, "text": "Commissioner Montgomery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 1656.485, "end": 1656.765, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1657.665, "end": 1658.365, "text": "Commissioner Pink." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1661.145, "end": 1661.945, "text": "Commissioner Ramtola." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1664.645, "end": 1665.345, "text": "Commissioner Small." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 1665.865, "end": 1666.125, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1666.925, "end": 1667.645, "text": "Commissioner Wagner." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 1668.485, "end": 1668.745, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1670.245, "end": 1670.965, "text": "Director Mahler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1673.025, "end": 1673.605, "text": "Manager Lee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1674.165, "end": 1674.745, "text": "I am present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1675.145, "end": 1677.045, "text": "And is there anyone online who has missed earlier?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1679.605, "end": 1680.485, "text": "Chair Kweev Quorum." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1681.245, "end": 1698.245, "text": "Thank you very much. Welcome everyone. My name is Christian Lee, Manager of Planning Advisory and Coordination Services and Chair of Calgary Planning Commission. A reminder to everyone on Teams and to the applicants on the bridge to please keep yourselves muted unless you are the one speaking. This ensures we can give our full attention to the speaker." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1700.145, "end": 1704.805, "text": "Before we begin, I would like to start with a land acknowledgement as the matters before us have to do with the land." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1705.625, "end": 1715.305, "text": "The city of Calgary, where the Bow and Elbow Rivers meet, was historically a place of confluence, where the sharing of resources, ideas, and opportunities naturally come together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1715.985, "end": 1725.465, "text": "Long before Scottish settlers named it Calgary, the original indigenous nations of this area had their own names for the land. In the Blackfoot language, it is called Moginstis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1726.225, "end": 1733.985, "text": "The Ithaca Nakota Wichistabe First Nations refer to this place as Wichispa Oyade, and the people of the Sutina nation call it Gutsis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1734.665, "end": 1737.485, "text": "The Metis called the Calgary area of Tuscany." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1738.625, "end": 1760.365, "text": "We'd like to take this opportunity to appreciate and acknowledge that we are gathered on the ancestral and traditional territory of the Blackfoot Confederacy made up of the Sixika Bigani, Omska Bigani, and the Gaina First Nations, the Kanakota Wichestabe First Nations, comprised of the Chiniki, Bear's Paw, and Goodstoney First Nations, and the Sutina First Nation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1761.205, "end": 1775.225, "text": "The city of Calgary is also homeland to the historic Northwest Metis and to the Otippi Miswat Metis Government, Metis Nation Battle River Territory, Nosehill Metis District 5, and Elbow Metis District 6." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1775.885, "end": 1778.845, "text": "We acknowledge all indigenous people who have made Calgary their home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1783.905, "end": 1794.025, "text": "Thank you. As we do have some unique circumstances related to the agenda today, I am going to request preemptively for Commissioner Small to recuse himself." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1800.165, "end": 1801.105, "text": "He was gonna do it anyway." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1803.685, "end": 1808.165, "text": "We will now move to confirmation of the agenda. Director Mahler, would you please move the agenda?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1810.465, "end": 1811.085, "text": "So moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1812.185, "end": 1820.985, "text": "Thank you. I believe we do have a couple of amendments to the agenda. So we'll start with the item of urgent business. Uh Commissioner Wagner, would you mind moving the item of urgent business?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1825.285, "end": 1825.505, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1829.505, "end": 1830.525, "text": "Just need to say moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1832.365, "end": 1834.045, "text": "I need you to move the urgent of item business." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1834.965, "end": 1835.165, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1835.385, "end": 1836.825, "text": "Just say move as moved. So moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 1838.745, "end": 1840.985, "text": "Please move the matter of urgent business." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1841.765, "end": 1846.385, "text": "Thank you. And clerks, just to confirm we do require a supermajority for this two thirds majority to add it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1846.645, "end": 1847.345, "text": "Uh correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1847.985, "end": 1849.125, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1850.145, "end": 1856.565, "text": "Any uh so uh Mr. Jones, would you mind explaining why this is an urgent of item b uh urgent of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1857.145, "end": 1860.365, "text": "item of urgent business today and what it is for?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1860.705, "end": 1862.685, "text": "Absolutely. Thank you, Chair. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1863.505, "end": 1867.865, "text": "an item that formally came to us that was item uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 1869.265, "end": 1894.425, "text": "report LOC 22025-0178 was dealt with at a previous agenda of um planning commission. Um since then, the applicant has come to us requesting uh cancellation in order to avoid having to advertise and having it canceled at the public hearing. We're bringing it here for counsel or for CPC to rescind their original recommendation and just to just file the uh the application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1895.305, "end": 1901.045, "text": "Thank you. And as chair, I will allow for it to be uh moved and voted on as an item of urgent business." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1901.225, "end": 1902.745, "text": "Uh please open the e vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1903.885, "end": 1904.625, "text": "Clerks, thank" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1929.485, "end": 1931.045, "text": "Commissioner Campbell Walters, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 1931.745, "end": 1932.305, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1937.365, "end": 1939.025, "text": "And Commissioner Wagner, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 1939.585, "end": 1940.205, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1941.505, "end": 1942.725, "text": "All right. All the votes are in Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1941.785, "end": 1941.865, "text": "you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1943.005, "end": 1944.105, "text": "Thank you. Please display the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1946.385, "end": 1948.405, "text": "And the motion is carried seven to zero." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1950.085, "end": 1951.265, "text": "Uh we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1951.925, "end": 1954.885, "text": "will now move to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1955.365, "end": 1956.125, "text": "asking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1957.385, "end": 1962.385, "text": "Another amendment to the agenda. Commissioner Wagner, would you mind uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1963.605, "end": 1964.245, "text": "explaining what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1965.165, "end": 1966.145, "text": "the motion is?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 1968.425, "end": 1977.465, "text": "We would like to move item 7.2.3 to consent agenda and item 7.2.11 to consent agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1978.465, "end": 1981.745, "text": "Thank you. And clerks, can we just do this by evote uh by uh voice vote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 1982.245, "end": 1983.265, "text": "Yes. Yes, Chair, we can." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1983.445, "end": 1985.085, "text": "Thank you. Uh any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1986.965, "end": 1992.765, "text": "Okay, and the motion is carried. And now any amendments, any further amendments to the agenda?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1994.605, "end": 1998.025, "text": "Hearing none, any opposed to the agenda as amended?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2000.725, "end": 2002.225, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2002.985, "end": 2008.345, "text": "Commissioners, uh, we'll move to declarations of conflicts of interest. Uh Commissioner" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2009.465, "end": 2011.865, "text": "Yeah, we'll start with uh Commissioner Campbell Walters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 2012.545, "end": 2018.185, "text": "Thank you, Chair. I have a conflict with item 5.3, 5.2, sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2020.045, "end": 2025.105, "text": "Thank you. And we will wait for Commissioner Small to return to the chair" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2027.145, "end": 2029.065, "text": "or to his seat. Apologies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2058.845, "end": 2063.085, "text": "Thank you. And we'll go to Commissioner Small for declarations of conflicts of interest, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 2065.665, "end": 2072.605, "text": "Thank you. I have a conflict with items seven point two point three, seven point two point eight, and seven point two eleven." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2075.825, "end": 2078.925, "text": "Thank you. Any other conflicts of interest to declare, Commissioners?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2080.705, "end": 2083.945, "text": "Yes, Chair, I have a conflict with 7.2.6." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2084.665, "end": 2085.665, "text": "Thank you, Commissioner Beckler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2088.605, "end": 2089.625, "text": "Any other conflicts?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2093.985, "end": 2099.865, "text": "Seeing none, we'll move on to confirmation of minutes. Uh Commissioner Beckler, would you mind moving confirmation of the minutes, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2100.285, "end": 2100.845, "text": "So moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2101.445, "end": 2104.765, "text": "Thank you, clerks or administration. Are there any errors or omissions to the minutes?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2105.225, "end": 2106.085, "text": "Nothing from clerks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2106.525, "end": 2107.445, "text": "Nothing from Amid." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2107.785, "end": 2108.985, "text": "Thank you. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2111.125, "end": 2112.345, "text": "And that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2113.445, "end": 2117.305, "text": "We will now go to uh the consent agenda. I believe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2120.465, "end": 2125.185, "text": "Commissioner Kemble Walters has declared a conflict on item 5.1," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2126.565, "end": 2128.705, "text": "as well as Commissioner Small" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2129.625, "end": 2130.285, "text": "on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2131.005, "end": 2134.725, "text": "items 723 and 721." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2136.785, "end": 2140.305, "text": "Would any members of Commission like to pull an item from consent? Commissioner Beckler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2140.705, "end": 2144.445, "text": "Uh yes, I'd like to move 5.2 before I have some clarification questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2145.565, "end": 2146.045, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2146.845, "end": 2148.525, "text": "Uh all right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2149.365, "end": 2155.685, "text": "I will require for the commissioners with conflicts on items remaining on consent agenda to please recuse themselves." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2161.725, "end": 2161.985, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2172.085, "end": 2179.505, "text": "Okay. I need a commissioner to please move the consent agenda. Commissioner Hardwick, would you mind moving the consent agenda, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2180.765, "end": 2183.585, "text": "Uh thank you. We will open the e-vote on the consent agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2183.885, "end": 2184.345, "text": "Clerks?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2186.405, "end": 2190.505, "text": "Oh, apologies. I believe uh Mr. Jones has uh a note." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2198.625, "end": 2208.245, "text": "My apologies, Chair. I just have to recognize because it's staying on the consent agenda, I believe 5.3 has a correction. We just want to note that for the record. Um that will be updated in ESCIB, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 2208.945, "end": 2210.465, "text": "just recognizing it for the record again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2211.165, "end": 2211.925, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Jones." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2213.085, "end": 2214.985, "text": "Uh yeah, clerks, please open the evote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2233.365, "end": 2240.925, "text": "Apologies, clerks. I believe the motion on the screen doesn't include the additional items that were added to the consent agenda 723 and 723." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2240.925, "end": 2243.785, "text": "That's correct. Thank you. We'll cancel that and just re-spin it up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2244.025, "end": 2244.465, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2280.265, "end": 2282.425, "text": "Sorry. One moment there while we just make the correction." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2284.265, "end": 2284.605, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2376.525, "end": 2377.565, "text": "All right, Chair, we have it up now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2380.065, "end": 2381.785, "text": "Uh apologies, clerk. It looks" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2382.185, "end": 2384.085, "text": "like the second last" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2384.085, "end": 2384.545, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2384.825, "end": 2386.465, "text": "sentence needs to be edited. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2386.645, "end": 2387.525, "text": "Thank you. We'll do that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2423.765, "end": 2424.485, "text": "Vote is up now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2426.025, "end": 2426.385, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2436.245, "end": 2437.425, "text": "Commissioner Wagner, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 2438.905, "end": 2439.485, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2441.125, "end": 2441.825, "text": "Cheryl, the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2441.425, "end": 2441.745, "text": "Votes are right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2442.445, "end": 2443.465, "text": "Thank you. Please display the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2446.925, "end": 2448.905, "text": "And the motion is carried six to zero." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2450.405, "end": 2451.285, "text": "We will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2451.705, "end": 2455.205, "text": "wait for Commissioner Small to please return to his seat." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2456.865, "end": 2461.025, "text": "And while we are waiting, for folks, if you are here for the repeal hearing, you are in the wrong room." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2462.365, "end": 2464.325, "text": "You have to go to council chambers for that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2466.185, "end": 2467.285, "text": "in case there is confusion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2476.825, "end": 2492.885, "text": "Thank you. I will now look to uh we will now move to item 8.1, which is the item of urgent business. I believe in order for us to procedurally complete these motions, they require to be done in two stages." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2493.245, "end": 2495.805, "text": "So I will ask for Commissioner Wagner to move." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2495.805, "end": 2507.665, "text": "Terrify me. We didn't take it as the next item after confirmation of agenda, so we can just move through to 5.2 and get to it after we finish item 7.2.12." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2507.865, "end": 2508.365, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2508.885, "end": 2516.685, "text": "Uh thank you, Clerk. Okay. Then we will go to 5.2. I believe Commissioner Campbell Walters has a conflict, so please uh accuse yourself." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2527.405, "end": 2529.985, "text": "And Commissioners, would you like a presentation on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2532.745, "end": 2536.905, "text": "Sounds like one is not necessary, so we'll go to Commissioner Beckler for questions of administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2537.745, "end": 2557.345, "text": "Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Mr. Smith, for being available for this to be pulled off. I had a question about the request. There's two things in here that um the the entire application seems to be predicated on consolidation of the file. I'm curious as to why the file would come before the lots were consolidated that allow for the actual land use to be implemented as described." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2568.585, "end": 2569.165, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2572.005, "end": 2609.105, "text": "My understanding is that they're trying to do two things as quickly as possible, and probably because of the repeal for rezoning uh hearing that's going on. Um so they've made a development permit submission uh that contemplates both parcels, the adjacent currently RCG district parcel as well as this subject parcel, which is currently MU1. They're just trying to move as quickly as possible through the application. They've submitted this land use district amendment with the you know the vision of consolidating the two parcels and having the same land use district to make it simpler for the site design process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2611.505, "end": 2620.665, "text": "I appreciate that. Um probably which brings me to the the the heart of the matter for me. Um is there a reason why MU1 can't accomplish what's proposed on the lot?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2622.085, "end": 2652.085, "text": "It could. So we we brought this up earlier in the application. But the response we got from the applicant was that because of the added complexity of trying to work a model over two different land use districts, like their proposal is to have two like townhouse buildings, roadhouse style townhouse buildings, basically over the boundary on two land use districts. So my understanding is just it's part for simplicity for design and having the same consistent regulations across both sites." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2654.385, "end": 2658.045, "text": "Uh seeing as I pulled this off, I'm assuming the applicant is not in attendance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2658.845, "end": 2666.325, "text": "The applicant was going to connect remotely, but actually just messaged that they had a a a challenge doing so, so they're unavailable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2666.805, "end": 2668.925, "text": "So I apologize you're getting this question then." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2669.345, "end": 2671.885, "text": "Which is simply why not go the other way?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2672.145, "end": 2675.845, "text": "If MU1 works, it's the larger lot. Why not go MU1 across the two?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2676.825, "end": 2712.205, "text": "I didn't ask them that particular question, but I I think it has to do with area policy. Like if you look at the uh LAP, the Riley Communities LAP, this area is uh local, like neighborhood local. Um it looks pretty deliberate and the intent for it to be low density residential. Um MU1 is an increase substantially in intensity and introducing commercial uses. Uh there's there's no front setback. Um, there's no density limit for MU1. So and it allows like three to four story development as opposed to RCG, which caps it at like two to three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2713.005, "end": 2717.105, "text": "Um so I I think that's part of it. It aligns with policy" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2718.505, "end": 2720.145, "text": "and yeah, administration is supportive of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2722.645, "end": 2724.165, "text": "Okay, thanks. I appreciate the answers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2724.425, "end": 2725.065, "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2725.425, "end": 2726.345, "text": "That's all for me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2726.705, "end": 2728.465, "text": "Thank you. Uh Commissioner Harlock." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2729.305, "end": 2733.165, "text": "Um can you clarify the the heritage aspect here?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2733.965, "end": 2735.805, "text": "Is is the subject lot" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2736.205, "end": 2737.685, "text": "part of the heritage guideline?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2739.225, "end": 2774.505, "text": "No, it's not. So um so the the heritage guideline area is just a couple parcels to the west. So even the adjacent parcel intended to be consolidated is also outside of that heritage guideline area. But the way the LAP policy is written is that we should still consider the heritage area and the you know the context of the neighborhood when trying to evaluate or evaluating a development permit application. So they should be designing the development within that context while actually being excluded from that area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2774.665, "end": 2783.345, "text": "I hope I'm not getting too close to development permit question, but I feel like if we ask it here, maybe my comments can keep counselor from spending much time on it. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2783.645, "end": 2788.125, "text": "does does the policy give enough guidance, enough, does it have enough teeth on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2788.425, "end": 2790.005, "text": "that heritage aspect" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2790.785, "end": 2791.625, "text": "for the design?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2791.945, "end": 2804.665, "text": "I think so. Like we do have some discretionary power. We've already asked the applicant to consider the design of the heritage buildings further down the block and sort of this character of that street." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2805.225, "end": 2808.525, "text": "And we're waiting to hear back from them and see an amended design." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2808.825, "end": 2809.065, "text": "Okay," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2809.065, "end": 2810.245, "text": "So we'll we'll work with them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2810.705, "end": 2812.085, "text": "that's that's it for me. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2813.865, "end": 2816.165, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2824.345, "end": 2825.285, "text": "Seeing none" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2825.525, "end": 2829.105, "text": "and acknowledging that the applicant is unavailable, can I please get a mover for the item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2834.825, "end": 2835.385, "text": "Commissioner Harlock." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2836.385, "end": 2839.325, "text": "Um I will happily move it. It sounds like they've tried to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2839.465, "end": 2843.905, "text": "be sensitive to the neighbors and the concerns about the local area plan and heritage, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2844.485, "end": 2846.085, "text": "it seems like a good work, everybody." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2847.265, "end": 2848.585, "text": "Thank you. Any debate on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2852.265, "end": 2852.945, "text": "Commissioner Beckler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 2853.585, "end": 2879.685, "text": "Thank you. Um I will not be supporting it. I think I understand the evaluation that went through in the client's request. Um, given the fact that the two lots are not connected and that MU1 would actually accomplish what was intended here in alliance with some of the other policies. I'm I'm confused as to why this would come forward at this time. Understanding we're just looking at the land use, that's my concern, right? So I'm not taking into account that the DP has been submitted. Just simply that the MU1 could have achieved what's described in the application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2880.945, "end": 2882.725, "text": "Thank you. Any other debate on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2887.125, "end": 2889.625, "text": "Seeing b uh seeing none, back to Commissioner Harleck to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 2889.685, "end": 2890.005, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2890.745, "end": 2892.245, "text": "Thank you. Clerks, would you please open the evote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 2907.545, "end": 2908.785, "text": "Commissioner Wagner, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 2909.905, "end": 2910.385, "text": "No?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2913.585, "end": 2914.545, "text": "Right, Cheryl, the vote's run." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2914.885, "end": 2916.045, "text": "Thank you. Please display the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2918.425, "end": 2926.725, "text": "And a motion is carried 4 to 2 with Commissioners Beckler and Wagner against. We'll provide a moment for Commissioner Campbell Walters to return to her seat." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2938.985, "end": 2941.745, "text": "And we will move to item 7.2.1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2941.945, "end": 2948.265, "text": "This is land use amendment in West Winds Ward 5 at 3633 West Winds Drive Northeast," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2949.385, "end": 2951.845, "text": "LOC 2025 0210." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2953.745, "end": 2954.385, "text": "Mr. Hall," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2955.385, "end": 2956.945, "text": "it's my understanding is your birthday today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2957.245, "end": 2966.005, "text": "Happy birthday. And Mr. Hall, once you are ready, uh please commence your presentation. Thank you for being here today on your birthday." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2975.345, "end": 2980.685, "text": "Okay, good afternoon, uh Chair, members of the Commission. I'm Jules Hall presenting this item on your agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2981.005, "end": 2981.965, "text": "Slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2982.885, "end": 2997.485, "text": "Uh, which is for a land use amendment at 3633 West Winds Drive Northeast to change from the existing land use to the Commercial Regional 3, CR3 district, with modifiers for height and floor area. Administration recommends approval. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2998.945, "end": 3008.405, "text": "This aerial photo shows the site in relation to its wider context, including residential communities in the proximity of the Blue Line LRT station of Midnight West Winds. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3009.545, "end": 3024.045, "text": "The site in closer detail with the grocery store and parking to centre and west and gas station in the southeast portion of the wider site. Other commercial uses to the south of West Winds Drive, northeast, are similar to uses found in the proposed district. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3025.325, "end": 3029.305, "text": "This is a photo of the site looking west towards the grocery store. Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3030.145, "end": 3032.725, "text": "Northeast over the parking lot. Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3033.725, "end": 3046.505, "text": "The panorama looking northeast, north and northwest. And uh next slide, the proximity of the LRT station seen from the corner of the grocery store and showing pedestrian connectivity. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3048.305, "end": 3058.805, "text": "This shows the current CR1 land use and surrounding land uses reflecting lower density residential development to the north and east, and the more commercial uses to the south. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3059.785, "end": 3072.845, "text": "And the proposed CR3 district to allow for smaller retail, commercial, and service uses, a better fit to the neighbouring residential communities and existing commercial uses to the south. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3073.745, "end": 3082.665, "text": "Chair, members of commission, administration is recommending approval of the change from CR1 to CR3 on the site, located at 3633 West Winds Drive Northeast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3082.805, "end": 3087.565, "text": "And ask CPC to endorse the application and forward it to council for a public hearing. Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3088.365, "end": 3093.505, "text": "Thank you. That concludes my presentation. I'd be happy to answer any questions and I believe the applicant is also in attendance." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3094.385, "end": 3099.105, "text": "Thank you very much for the presentation. Commissioners, do we have any questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3103.465, "end": 3104.145, "text": "Commissioner Small." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3105.985, "end": 3106.525, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3107.465, "end": 3112.645, "text": "Um given that we're so close to an LRT station and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3113.305, "end": 3126.145, "text": "um previously we saw a multi-residential application be refused by counsel for this portion of the site, um, why not allow then more commercial?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3126.605, "end": 3135.365, "text": "To at least then have a higher density commercial area that people could use transit to travel to this area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3136.585, "end": 3156.725, "text": "Thank you for the question, and you're correct. LOC 2023 0357, which Commission um heard in 2024, was refused by counsel. That was for an M2 multi-residential use. That having failed, the applicant obviously has reassessed their options." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3157.365, "end": 3161.285, "text": "This site previously was direct control district under land use bylaw 2P80," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3161.865, "end": 3166.865, "text": "with a number of the uses that are anticipated in CR3." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3167.825, "end": 3175.605, "text": "When the site transitioned to OneP 2007, it was given the CR1 land use district, which is big box retail." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3176.525, "end": 3177.185, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3178.105, "end": 3181.665, "text": "the applicant really is looking for something that's more" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3182.185, "end": 3186.625, "text": "in line with the previous direct control district, um, smaller scale" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3187.385, "end": 3193.345, "text": "um commercial uses. If I could ask uh Clarks to put up slide uh 14, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3193.825, "end": 3201.265, "text": "Because this is something that's kind of new. We only received a development permit application for this after my report was completed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3201.805, "end": 3213.465, "text": "Okay, so it's in circulation, it's in early stages of review. This is the site plan from that DP. So you can see the the kind of grain and and the amount of commercial space that they're looking to have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3214.585, "end": 3221.605, "text": "I don't think it's unreasonable. I don't think it's out of place and out of context with the surrounding low density residential areas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3223.905, "end": 3226.905, "text": "I think it it probably works. This is what the applicants" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3227.245, "end": 3236.405, "text": "applied for in terms of the land use and now what they're looking for in terms of development. And obviously, we're bound to assess and review that in the context of the applicant's wishes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3238.625, "end": 3248.405, "text": "Thank you. I guess where I was coming from is since you have an application and you're so close to the LRT, why why wouldn't admin" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3249.605, "end": 3255.825, "text": "give them even more FAR to increase the density so that way then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3256.265, "end": 3263.825, "text": "A landowner or an applicant doesn't have to come back in to uplift this land even further." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3264.745, "end": 3267.505, "text": "No, I uh thank you for the question. I I appreciate it. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3270.405, "end": 3275.605, "text": "I mean, yes, you could argue more density, it's it's in a very" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3276.125, "end": 3278.785, "text": "strongly TOD location." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3279.485, "end": 3286.925, "text": "I don't think this the density that they're applying for is an additional forty five thousand square feet is um given what's there now," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3287.205, "end": 3294.345, "text": "it's certainly an uptick in in the square footage that they've current that they currently don't have any on this portion of the site. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3295.145, "end": 3302.205, "text": "You could make an argument, you could push for more, you could make an argument. Why don't you push for mixed-use residential? I think, given" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3303.005, "end": 3307.705, "text": "the history of the site and given what happened only a couple of years ago in a public hearing," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3308.665, "end": 3325.765, "text": "there's little appetite from the applicant's perspective to pursue residential when it met with such strong opposition at that time, very recently. I think the commercial uses and service uses that they're proposing and promoting here are reasonable. I think they're kind of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3326.465, "end": 3334.145, "text": "Focused towards um the the res low low density residential areas. I think they're providing a level of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3335.125, "end": 3337.025, "text": "commercial development that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3337.345, "end": 3340.585, "text": "one is not there now, two is accessible from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3340.985, "end": 3345.945, "text": "the the LRT and from other modes of transportation. I think it works and I think it's acceptable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3347.725, "end": 3348.105, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3349.685, "end": 3351.445, "text": "Thank you. Commissioner Campbell Walters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3351.905, "end": 3354.365, "text": "Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Mr. Hall. Happy birthday." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3354.585, "end": 3354.925, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3354.965, "end": 3358.125, "text": "My question builds on Commissioner's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3358.505, "end": 3359.465, "text": "previous question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3359.745, "end": 3363.465, "text": "So does this redesignation, this current one," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3364.745, "end": 3368.405, "text": "allow for future intensification of the site?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3369.045, "end": 3374.945, "text": "I'll tell you why I asked, because I'm wondering if it's going to result over time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3375.205, "end": 3376.365, "text": "In more urban" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3376.665, "end": 3377.285, "text": "type" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3377.625, "end": 3381.305, "text": "pedestrian oriented uses. I'm looking at the site, it's all a sea of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3382.165, "end": 3382.765, "text": "parking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3383.365, "end": 3383.925, "text": "Yeah, I uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3384.665, "end": 3386.725, "text": "my answer is my answer to your question is no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3387.225, "end": 3389.045, "text": "Simply because they've applied for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3389.425, "end": 3389.965, "text": "um a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3390.725, "end": 3392.205, "text": "floor area ratio modifier." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3393.465, "end": 3401.625, "text": "The current site has an FAR of two. They're asking for an FAR of 2.5, which accommodates precisely what they have submitted an application for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3402.285, "end": 3408.425, "text": "I think once built out, there'd be no intention to try and further intensify the site. And if they did," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3408.605, "end": 3410.145, "text": "they would have to come in for another" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3410.645, "end": 3413.325, "text": "land use redesignation to increase that modifier." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3413.525, "end": 3415.505, "text": "Again, it's not something that we can relax." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3415.905, "end": 3418.105, "text": "Okay. Thank you for that clarification." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3419.505, "end": 3419.925, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3420.145, "end": 3422.245, "text": "Any other questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3430.225, "end": 3433.225, "text": "Seeing none, do we have any questions for the applicant, Commissioners?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3443.085, "end": 3445.085, "text": "Also seeing none, can I please get a mover for the item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3452.045, "end": 3452.765, "text": "Commissioner Beckler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3454.145, "end": 3454.805, "text": "I'll move the item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3455.605, "end": 3456.945, "text": "Thank you. Any debate on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3464.205, "end": 3464.845, "text": "Commissioner Small." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3467.045, "end": 3471.505, "text": "Thank you. Um I'll support this application. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3472.405, "end": 3508.225, "text": "given what's previously occurred, clearly commercial appears to be the only thing acceptable then. Um I will say though, I think these types of sites are an opportunity where administration could upzone them even further uh with the idea that whether it's this applicant's request or not, that um you're in the location, a TOD location, and therefore it would be a great opportunity to upzone it. Again, presuming the applicant would agree to that anyways, but um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3508.545, "end": 3515.145, "text": "to be more forward uh looking than just adding another forty five thousand. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3516.485, "end": 3517.985, "text": "Thank you, Commissioner Campbell Walters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3518.385, "end": 3530.165, "text": "Thank you, Chair. And given what I've heard too, I'm also be very supportive of this application. I think it the site is strategically located, but this kind of intensification of um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 3530.865, "end": 3545.565, "text": "Commercial use is very appropriate for the site versus what is there. It's also very flexible, it's comprehensive plan, commercial development, and overall it helps to position the site for a more complete functional commercial node." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3548.845, "end": 3550.445, "text": "Thank you. Any other debate on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3555.705, "end": 3557.705, "text": "Seeing none, back to Commissioner Beckler to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3558.025, "end": 3558.525, "text": "We're closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3559.125, "end": 3560.685, "text": "Thank you, Clerks. Would you please bring up the e vote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3579.265, "end": 3580.605, "text": "Commissioner Wagner, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3580.885, "end": 3581.525, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3584.185, "end": 3584.925, "text": "Cheryl, the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3585.285, "end": 3586.385, "text": "Thank you. Please display the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3588.565, "end": 3590.465, "text": "And the motion is carried eight to zero." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3591.085, "end": 3594.725, "text": "Uh clerks, I believe you believe you have some remarks regarding item five point two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3594.865, "end": 3614.765, "text": "Yes, apologies. We had Commissioner Small marked as absent for the previous vote on 5.2. So we're going to need to revisit that item. And Commissioner Campbell Walters, uh, we're going to believe we're going to have to have you exit the room once more, and we'll just recast that vote so we can capture uh Commissioner Small's vote and have an accurate representation of who is here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3615.265, "end": 3618.905, "text": "Thank you. Uh Commissioner Campbell Walters, if you please leave the room for a moment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3628.525, "end": 3631.965, "text": "Thank you, clerks, would you please bring up the e vote on that item again?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3632.805, "end": 3633.585, "text": "Yep. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3634.085, "end": 3635.105, "text": "the vote is coming up now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3646.805, "end": 3648.005, "text": "Commissioner Wagner, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3686.645, "end": 3689.085, "text": "Commissioner Wagner, your vote on 5.2 again, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 3689.165, "end": 3689.645, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3689.725, "end": 3690.045, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 3692.025, "end": 3693.865, "text": "Thank you, Chair. All the votes are in for 5.2." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3694.065, "end": 3695.285, "text": "Thank you. Please display the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3699.405, "end": 3702.485, "text": "And the motion is carried 6 to 1 with Commissioner Beckler against." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3705.165, "end": 3708.625, "text": "We'll provide a moment for Commissioner Campbell Walters to return to her seat." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3714.485, "end": 3717.705, "text": "With that, we'll move on to item 7.2.2" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3718.285, "end": 3722.085, "text": "Outline Plan and Land Use Amendment in Cityscape Ward 5 at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3723.025, "end": 3723.425, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3723.985, "end": 3725.285, "text": "10011" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3725.565, "end": 3726.945, "text": "52nd Street Northeast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3728.265, "end": 3730.465, "text": "Ms. Ketterpal, when you're ready, please commence your presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3736.265, "end": 3737.665, "text": "Uh please turn on your mic apologies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3741.365, "end": 3742.005, "text": "Ah, sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3742.445, "end": 3750.465, "text": "Good afternoon, Chair and members of Planning Commission. My name is Nikodhar Kedirpal and I'm presenting item 7.2.2. Before I bring" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3751.125, "end": 3760.485, "text": "begin my presentation, there's just a minor correction to attachment one, page five, correcting the area that is subject to the proposed land use amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3760.825, "end": 3761.645, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3762.965, "end": 3769.945, "text": "This item is an outline plan and land use amendment in cityscape to redesignate the subject site to a direct control district." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3770.265, "end": 3773.165, "text": "Administration is recommending approval of the application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3773.405, "end": 3774.225, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3775.385, "end": 3782.225, "text": "The site is located in the northeast community of Cityscape on the northeast corner of the intersection of Meidi Trail Northeast" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3782.585, "end": 3784.225, "text": "and Airport Trail Northeast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3784.585, "end": 3788.725, "text": "Surrounding lands are comprised of developing low density residential areas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3789.145, "end": 3790.045, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3791.425, "end": 3798.825, "text": "This location map shows the boundary of the proposed outline plan, which is approximately 7.89 hectares in size." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3799.165, "end": 3801.225, "text": "The lands are currently undeveloped." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3801.705, "end": 3802.585, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3803.645, "end": 3810.625, "text": "This slide here shows the boundary of the proposed land use amendment area, which is smaller than the outline plan area and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3810.965, "end": 3813.205, "text": "0.36 hectares in size." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3814.025, "end": 3814.985, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3815.925, "end": 3835.165, "text": "On this slide, the first image on the left is a view of a portion of the subject site as viewed from the north, with Metis Trail northeast to the right. The second image is a west facing view showing the existing regional pathway that's north of the subject site, with the site to the left and existing developments to the right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3835.905, "end": 3836.785, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3838.205, "end": 3870.125, "text": "The area subject to this application does have previous outline plan approval. This outline plan application was required to allow for a revised street layout on the subject lands. Low density residential development is contemplated on the site under the RG and the DC land use districts. Vehicle access is through Cityscape Drive to the north, and a three meter regional wide regional pathway along Metis Trail Northeast connects into the community and to the existing regional pathway on the north." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3870.945, "end": 3871.825, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3872.905, "end": 3883.965, "text": "The slide here just shows a comparative layout between the approved land use plan and the proposed outline plan with the revised street and block typology just displayed side by side." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3884.265, "end": 3885.145, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3885.945, "end": 3906.345, "text": "The proposed DC district is based on the RGM district and matches the existing DC 260D 2019 that's to the north and east of the site. The DCs tailor rules to accommodate low density residential developments on the site on shallow lots served by rear lanes and also allow full-live work units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3906.565, "end": 3907.405, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3908.465, "end": 3927.045, "text": "This application was reviewed against the Municipal Development Plan and the Northeast Community Area Structure Plan. The ASB encourages innovative housing forms in the area, such as zero lot line developments and just enhancing housing variety. The proposal is aligned with both the plans. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3928.525, "end": 3937.105, "text": "In summary, administration is recommending approval of this application. I would be happy to answer any questions and the applicant is here in attendance as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3938.025, "end": 3942.885, "text": "Thank you very much for the presentation. Commissioners, do we have any questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3943.185, "end": 3944.045, "text": "Commissioner Beckler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3945.125, "end": 3958.965, "text": "Uh thank you. Um sorry, you early on in your presentation you kind of glazed over uh why the outline plan was required. I'm I'm looking at what's here in terms of still residential, road configurations the same. Why did we have to go through the process of an outline plan to get here?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3959.185, "end": 3962.265, "text": "Maybe we can go back to slide eight." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3963.905, "end": 3995.065, "text": "The applicant was proposing a revised street layout to the northeast portion of the approved outline plan. It's possible that this could have perhaps been accommodated under a non-conforming tentative plan of subdivision. However, they were also pursuing the land use amendment and there were some other technical items that were also through this process were able to be reviewed by our development applications review team, such as there was an update or a revision to the sanitary servicing study and the water network as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 3995.885, "end": 4007.665, "text": "Okay, so just just help me understand in terms of the time and investment for staff and studies that come into this, and like how much more work is it to have to do an outline plan to see essentially same uses, add some lanes?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4008.185, "end": 4008.925, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4009.245, "end": 4013.685, "text": "roads are the same, it's still serviced by water, it's still residential, I'm still struggling." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4013.965, "end": 4017.485, "text": "With going through in a process of this ex this extent just to get here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 4017.745, "end": 4047.965, "text": "Like I mentioned, uh this the applicant was also pursuing a land use amendment. So for instance, the existing lands there that are RG had to be designated to a DC district anyway. So we would have we could we would have done the land use amendment portion of it anyway. Um and the outline plan, adding the outline plan element to it just uh sped up the process because that would have some technical elements would have to be reviewed further than at the subdivision stage if if they were just pursuing it directly through uh subdivision at a at a future stage." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4049.305, "end": 4049.605, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4049.905, "end": 4050.705, "text": "All right. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4052.505, "end": 4054.065, "text": "Thank you, Commissioner Camel Walters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4056.085, "end": 4064.445, "text": "Thank you, Chair, and thank you for your presentation. I just have a few questions. So, what specifically could not be achieved through" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4064.585, "end": 4066.045, "text": "an existing district?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4066.465, "end": 4068.185, "text": "Um, why we have to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4068.365, "end": 4069.505, "text": "look at a DC?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4070.125, "end": 4071.025, "text": "Will you explain that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 4071.125, "end": 4103.625, "text": "Yeah, uh so uh this DC that the applicant's proposing, it's um they're already they already had approval for a similar form around as well. Uh this DC allows for uh just development on shallow lots, uh so it does increase, uh allow for increased parcel coverage and allows for um access to the site only through the rear lane and also DC live work units. So it just allows for a unique housing form that the current RG district does not permit. So it just allows for more housing variety in the area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4103.945, "end": 4104.425, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4104.965, "end": 4106.405, "text": "Thank you. So um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4107.545, "end": 4117.065, "text": "Cause I look at at it and I'm looking at does this compromise liveability or site functionality when you look at the um the DC from a planning" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4117.505, "end": 4120.285, "text": "and perspective and probably more technical." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 4120.925, "end": 4159.785, "text": "Yeah, uh if we could also go to slide 15, please. Uh so the um developer uh has already developed uh under this DC, uh under the similar under similar DCs in the in the community of Cityscape as well and delivered this housing product. Um so we we can see that it's already been constructed and it can uh can achieve what they're looking to do with uh with this housing type. Another um like the image on the bottom right corner also shows that this housing form and under this DC allows for units to be wrapped around more curvilinear streets as well. Um so we we can see that it's already uh demonstrated in in the community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4160.165, "end": 4163.745, "text": "Okay. And just my final question. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4163.905, "end": 4167.785, "text": "what's the plan planning rationale for introducing live work here?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 4168.725, "end": 4188.025, "text": "It just allows for a higher like for the residents to have more options into the community. So for example, the ASB also promotes more housing diversity in the area. So more residents likely could be attracted to having such a use along with their living units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4189.405, "end": 4190.665, "text": "Thank you. Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4191.725, "end": 4192.985, "text": "Thank you. Commissioner Small." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4194.865, "end": 4195.405, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4196.125, "end": 4210.445, "text": "Um does the city track for this DC, uh, is the city tracking how many non-residential uses have been occurring in this form in Madame's uh product?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 4212.005, "end": 4215.405, "text": "I don't think I have the answer to that, unfortunately." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 4216.465, "end": 4219.625, "text": "I'm just not sure if that's being" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 4220.025, "end": 4221.225, "text": "used or not." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4223.105, "end": 4223.665, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4224.605, "end": 4257.145, "text": "The reason I ask is the DC is I'd say overly complicated, and knowing how well these are being used on the uptick of what the DC allows, maybe there'd be an easier way to write this DC to accomplish the same thing. Uh my next question is to do with the regional pathway. Um this is probably a question more for transportation. Uh there's the regional pathway is coming in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4259.505, "end": 4285.905, "text": "To where the road is immediately abutting uh the Metis Trail right away. My question, realizing that a noise study will have to be done, why make that connection there for the regional pathway when if you're having a sound wall, all of a sudden you're, I'd say, needlessly creating a break in the sound wall when that regional path" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4286.785, "end": 4293.905, "text": "connection is only a f probably a hundred meters or not even to the north into the Metis Trail." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 4295.405, "end": 4302.005, "text": "Uh if we could please go to slide seven. Um maybe I would ask my mobility colleagues to help with this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4312.345, "end": 4315.825, "text": "Good afternoon, Shanti Acharjee from Development Engineering. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4316.205, "end": 4321.865, "text": "this multi-use pathway basically, uh sorry, the regional pathway has been shown based on the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4322.325, "end": 4348.745, "text": "uh functional planning study we have along uh Midist Trail and uh airport trail. So this is basically a conceptual at this point of time. We need to do all of those what you mentioned, Commissioner, that we had to do that uh the noise study and see what is required as part of the noise attenuation, and we'll be looking into the details at the uh at the subdivision still." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4351.385, "end": 4359.645, "text": "Thank you. So the that little connection may not be allowed depending on what the functional determines." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4360.085, "end": 4361.225, "text": "Yes, that's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4361.745, "end": 4362.225, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4364.125, "end": 4366.905, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4377.165, "end": 4382.345, "text": "Okay, seeing none, if the applicant would please come forward, I believe Commission will have questions for you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4397.825, "end": 4399.445, "text": "Thank you. If you would please introduce yourselves." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4400.585, "end": 4403.985, "text": "Uh I'm Joel Van Huzen with Matamy Homes. Jack model with B A." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4404.585, "end": 4406.765, "text": "Thank you. Uh Commissioner Beckler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4407.805, "end": 4429.045, "text": "Thank you. Uh question for you regarding the outline plan requirement in terms of what that's added to your process. I'm just trying to get a sense. Um, pretty small land use area in terms of what you had to do as opposed to what you would have had to done for a tenative plan and how much time and sort of resources, I'm not looking at dollars, has this added to the length of time that it's taken to get here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 4430.265, "end": 4430.865, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 4431.165, "end": 4445.225, "text": "I can start. I mean an online plan is typically required anytime you're adding or changing public roadways. So typically I don't I wouldn't say that outline plans add a lot of complexity to an existing land use process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 4445.785, "end": 4478.105, "text": "In this case, the opening up of a land use opens up the potential to condition, or sorry, the outline plan. You can condition an outline plan. You can't condition land use. So then it leads to the review of some things that we felt were sort of outside of the scope of the land use application and the purpose of the change, such as those regional pathway items that I think were or should have been addressed in the originally approved outline plan. I can't speak to specifically how much time it took because the DC land use review was also lengthy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4478.105, "end": 4478.345, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4478.745, "end": 4479.625, "text": "Right. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4480.285, "end": 4484.645, "text": "Yeah, I would say your time to hear based on the number I see on your pile wasn't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4484.885, "end": 4492.705, "text": "horrible. Uh, but uh I was more curious about in terms of the exact extra need when we could avoid a a process. So that's all I had. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4493.545, "end": 4495.025, "text": "Thank you, Commissioner Camel Walters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4495.205, "end": 4511.525, "text": "Thank you. Thank you to be for being here. Just one question, just from my own understanding. Um you're moving 0.36 hectares from RG to DC. What have you learned from the adjacent DC area that informed this revised approach?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 4512.845, "end": 4564.865, "text": "Um again I can start and then maybe Joel has something to add. I so the the reason why the DC had to be reopened in case it wasn't clear is that um because DCs are a snapshot in time, just because one was approved 10 feet to the left doesn't mean we can apply the same one here. We have to do a brand new DC. Uh that's just how they work. Um and so we really wanted to just submit the same originally approved DC land use. Uh through this process, uh it was identified that now that RGM exists, there's some inconsistencies in the way that the language works and the rules. And as uh Commissioner Small mentioned, it's it's kind of overly complex. So we did try to take away some things that were making it overly complex. Um yeah, I don't know if there's any any real changes in the product that Matty's actually building." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4566.465, "end": 4584.545, "text": "Yeah, just to add, thanks Jack. Um we're not really changing anything with the built form. We're continuing with that consistency. It was just updating the plan to kind of market conditions, what we're seeing, you know, with affordability and everything, and trying to add more of that product type in along Cityscape Drive as well. So and then modernizing the DC" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 4585.105, "end": 4587.985, "text": "from the RGM just to update it basically. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4589.365, "end": 4589.825, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 4590.825, "end": 4591.425, "text": "Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4591.965, "end": 4594.725, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions for the applicant on this file?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4603.445, "end": 4606.925, "text": "Seeing none, thank you so much for being here today. Uh Commissioner Beckler to move." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4607.585, "end": 4621.665, "text": "Uh yeah, I'll move the item. Um intend to support it. I appreciate the patience with uh the questions in terms of trying to understand the need for for the um for the outline plan requirement. Uh but definitely seems to make sense to me, fits with the existing community, so I'll be supporting it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4622.565, "end": 4624.785, "text": "Thank you. Commissioner Montgomery to debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4626.505, "end": 4657.305, "text": "Uh thanks. I'll I'll be supporting this as well. This um, you know, to dig a little further at um Commissioner Beckler there. Um it's I think we need to become more flexible when this stuff happens. Fundamentally nothing here has changed. Um even the applicant has said the built form isn't changing yet. Uh a lot of time was spent uh, you know, updating a DC and just using one. Um I think this also could have been done with a nonconforming tentative plan. The the the movement of the roads here was very minimal. Uh fundamentally the the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4658.405, "end": 4671.605, "text": "The changes that were made do not affect anything beyond what was done here and we're ending up with pretty much the same thing. Um so between resources and we look at affordability, uh affordability um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4671.865, "end": 4686.285, "text": "gets eroded very quickly with time and the time value of money, which nobody seems to put enough thought into. So um I I I think we could have done this quicker, um, but we are in a system that we have. So um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4687.105, "end": 4727.505, "text": "You know, I think there was some good work done here. This is a consistent DC district with what what has already been built and approved for years by the developer. We've got a consistent streets streetscape now and land use along that uh cityscape drive, I believe it is, if my eyes uh see right. I think we've got a better layout than we had. Um and again, fundamentally, nothing really has changed enough that would affect anything beyond the boundaries here. Um and I think maybe that's a a good thing to start keeping in mind when we're looking at uh how we're doing this in the future and and bringing these these things forward. So uh I am gonna approve uh uh uh approve uh the recommendation here. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4728.465, "end": 4729.525, "text": "Thank you. Commissioner Harleck." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4731.185, "end": 4734.005, "text": "Sure. Um I will also support this. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4734.445, "end": 4737.805, "text": "the previous outline plan for the area uh consumed about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4738.505, "end": 4746.585, "text": "119 square meters of pavement per per per unit. And this one brings it down to ninety-one, so that's good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4747.025, "end": 4747.485, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4749.485, "end": 4754.325, "text": "You can also run those numbers and figure out what the annual uh cost of the full road reconstruction is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4756.945, "end": 4757.805, "text": "It doesn't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4758.045, "end": 4760.465, "text": "I'm not so sure that it uh tracks with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4760.605, "end": 4761.085, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4761.525, "end": 4763.285, "text": "what is being spent on mobility," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4763.765, "end": 4764.085, "text": "but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 4765.205, "end": 4768.145, "text": "I will save that debate about whether growth uh pays for growth another day." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4769.525, "end": 4771.025, "text": "Thank you. Any other debate on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4776.165, "end": 4778.485, "text": "Seeing none, Commissioner Beckler to close, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 4778.685, "end": 4779.305, "text": "Very closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4779.425, "end": 4781.025, "text": "Thank you. Clerks, would you please bring up the evote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4798.425, "end": 4799.385, "text": "Commissioner Wagner, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 4799.625, "end": 4800.165, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4801.145, "end": 4801.865, "text": "Chair, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4802.265, "end": 4803.225, "text": "Thank you. Please display the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4807.225, "end": 4820.865, "text": "And the motion is carried 8 to 0. We'll now move on to 724 as 723 was put on consent. This is land use amendment in Haskane Board 1 at 6600 and 6815 133rd Street Northwest." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4821.345, "end": 4824.125, "text": "Ms. Kursinger, when you're ready, please commence your presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4829.785, "end": 4836.885, "text": "Good afternoon, Chair and members of Commission. My name is Selena Kersinger and I'm presenting item 7.2.4." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4837.245, "end": 4854.525, "text": "Before beginning my presentation, I have a clerical correction in the cover report discussion section and attachment one transportation section to replace the roadway noted as Rowan Boulevard Northwest to Romont Boulevard Northwest. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4856.225, "end": 4860.085, "text": "This is an application for a land use amendment from commercial." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4860.425, "end": 4875.765, "text": "Community 1 CC1 district to multi-residential low profile M1 district and special purpose community service SCS district. Administration is recommending approval of this application. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4877.365, "end": 4892.725, "text": "The subject site is located in the northwest community of Haskane. Bears Paw Reservoir and the Canadian Pacific Railway are located to the south and west of the area. Rocky View County is located to the north and east of the subject site. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4894.485, "end": 4909.065, "text": "The site is approximately 3.91 hectares in size. The M1 district would make up 2.51 hectares, and the SCS district would make up 1.40 hectares of the subject site. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4911.965, "end": 4920.405, "text": "This is a view of the developing area looking northwest. The roadway pictured along the right side of the photo is Haskane Drive Northwest." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4920.865, "end": 4921.825, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4923.065, "end": 4931.145, "text": "This is another view looking northwest. The roadway pictured along the left side of the photo is Romont Boulevard Northwest. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4932.905, "end": 4937.925, "text": "The area is currently developing with surrounding land uses designated CC1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4938.765, "end": 4942.085, "text": "Low density residential and special purpose districts" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4942.245, "end": 4944.945, "text": "are also to the west, north, and east of the site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4945.265, "end": 4946.245, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4948.285, "end": 4962.785, "text": "The existing CC1 district is intended to accommodate small to mid scale commercial uses that serve the surrounding community. The CC1 district has a maximum building height of 10 meters and floor area ratio of one. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4965.465, "end": 4986.805, "text": "The proposed M1 district accommodates multi residential development in a variety of forms with low height and medium density. The M1 district allows a maximum building height of 14 meters and has a minimum density of 50 units per hectare and maximum density of 148 units per hectare. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4988.105, "end": 5007.265, "text": "The proposed SDS district accommodates community uses with a limited range of small-scale public recreation facilities. Protective and emergency service is a discretionary use, and the SDS district does not prescribe a maximum building height or building size. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5008.945, "end": 5019.465, "text": "For the reasons outlined in the report and those presented today, administration recommends approval of this application. I'm happy to take any questions, and the applicant is also available." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5020.465, "end": 5025.145, "text": "Thank you very much for the presentation. Commissioners, do we have any questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5036.285, "end": 5037.205, "text": "Commissioner Hardwick." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5040.285, "end": 5042.145, "text": "Thanks for your presentation. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5042.345, "end": 5046.845, "text": "the retained the so there's a retained area of two point nine hectares of C C one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5047.565, "end": 5050.665, "text": "and it must achieve at least nineteen hundred meters squared of retail" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5051.385, "end": 5052.245, "text": "under the ASP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5052.505, "end": 5052.925, "text": "Is that right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5054.385, "end": 5055.105, "text": "Correct, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5055.225, "end": 5056.225, "text": "And and so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5056.625, "end": 5059.365, "text": "it's got a one point zero f AR" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5060.585, "end": 5061.405, "text": "as a density." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5061.685, "end": 5063.625, "text": "Is it able to achieve that retail?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5064.305, "end": 5068.725, "text": "Yes, yeah. Even um the ASB prescribes uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 5064.885, "end": 5065.005, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5069.245, "end": 5074.945, "text": "a minimum of 0.3 uh hectares and yes it would achieve um even with the minimum." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5075.025, "end": 5075.405, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5075.445, "end": 5075.665, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5078.205, "end": 5078.865, "text": "Commissioner Small." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5081.125, "end": 5085.065, "text": "Thank you. Uh the SCS uh land area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5086.085, "end": 5090.945, "text": "Is there anything other than an emergency response station that is planned to go there?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5093.125, "end": 5093.765, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5094.685, "end": 5095.705, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5096.065, "end": 5096.905, "text": "the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5099.765, "end": 5114.045, "text": "the the first step would be establishing the site for the the fire station, but um facilities um pe and people are formerly facilities planning would continue to um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5114.665, "end": 5117.925, "text": "Explore possible co-location uses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5119.505, "end": 5120.065, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5121.145, "end": 5135.505, "text": "can you explain the rationale why SCS then was chosen instead of SCI? Because SCI would allow a fire station to be per a permitted use, which then would save some of the hassle." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5136.645, "end": 5141.665, "text": "Yeah, um I think um SCS um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5142.745, "end": 5144.405, "text": "allows um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5145.225, "end": 5145.725, "text": "or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5146.145, "end": 5147.585, "text": "sorry the SCI" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5147.805, "end": 5149.625, "text": "district um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5149.945, "end": 5163.285, "text": "would allow other land uses we wouldn't necessarily deem appropriate um given the context of being as the fire station is um meant to be integrated with the community uh retail center." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5166.065, "end": 5178.665, "text": "Is there particular uses in the SCI that would not? I mean you basically have a commercial site there. Anything obnoxious is probably a listed use" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5179.365, "end": 5185.405, "text": "in that commercial site that would be equivalent to whatever would be allowed in SCI." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5187.265, "end": 5205.645, "text": "Yeah, um I guess um we reviewed based on the proposed um SCS district, um it does allow additional community uses um and we and we found the SCS was appropriate for the fire station parcel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5206.865, "end": 5207.245, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5208.685, "end": 5210.005, "text": "Thank you, Commissioner Harlick." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5211.285, "end": 5212.105, "text": "Sure. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5212.805, "end": 5215.965, "text": "so administration received 114 letters of opposition." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5216.385, "end": 5218.445, "text": "Um do we know where that's coming from, or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5218.745, "end": 5221.105, "text": "can you give us maybe more details than what's in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5221.245, "end": 5221.745, "text": "the cover?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5222.705, "end": 5224.705, "text": "Yeah, um so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5225.485, "end": 5247.325, "text": "I would say the majority of the the public opposition was speaking to the loss of the the commercial um some of the CC1 district as well as concerns with adding uh the multi residential district and increasing the density. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5248.045, "end": 5250.865, "text": "through administration's review uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5251.305, "end": 5257.145, "text": "we found the original outline plan did um identify that this CC one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5257.765, "end": 5271.345, "text": "district was um a possible location for multi-residential and for a fire station um and also through the review found the the land use amendments aligned with the ASP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5271.365, "end": 5274.505, "text": "Okay. And the remaining CC1, just in case I didn't get it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5274.945, "end": 5276.385, "text": "Is large enough for a grocery store?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5277.445, "end": 5278.005, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5278.005, "end": 5278.265, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5278.265, "end": 5278.645, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 5278.985, "end": 5279.305, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5281.525, "end": 5284.645, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5295.545, "end": 5298.965, "text": "Seeing none, thank you for being here today. If the applicant can please come forward" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5300.025, "end": 5303.065, "text": "and introduce yourselves, Commission will have questions for you today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5316.205, "end": 5317.165, "text": "Jack Model, B A." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5317.845, "end": 5320.065, "text": "Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Elton Ma with Brookfield." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5320.565, "end": 5322.005, "text": "Thank you for being here today. Commissioner Beckler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5322.605, "end": 5338.725, "text": "Uh thank you. Thanks for being here, gentlemen. Um we've asked staff twice. I thought we might as well ask you. Obviously a grocery seems to be something that's important to the community. Um so my first question is just regarded to the viability of the space to provide that amenity that people are expecting should someone want to be there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5339.345, "end": 5353.805, "text": "Yeah, uh, from in terms of the residual uh CC1 portion of the site, we have looked at conceptual, we have concept plans for that that could accommodate a grocery store. We aren't looking at a full size prototypical grocery store, so it is sort of sort of sized down" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5354.225, "end": 5355.565, "text": "to some of the smaller sizes," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5355.845, "end": 5358.465, "text": "potentially in that 20,000 square foot range for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5358.765, "end": 5359.965, "text": "the anchoring component there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5360.365, "end": 5362.265, "text": "I mean, this is all subject to whether there's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5362.525, "end": 5367.725, "text": "The market demand, etc., for those types of uses, but um that is definitely our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5367.885, "end": 5370.645, "text": "our uh preference to sort of chase that out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5371.025, "end": 5402.685, "text": "Yeah, I appreciate that. And yes, I I will also say the question is intended to understand if there's space for it. Market is going to be the driving factor. In terms of the fire, I think it's just kind of worth asking. Obviously there's an impact to you in the build form, given the noise of a fire station. But you've managed you've you're managing to keep the density the same to give the demand to the provincial commercial for future commercial uses. What does that look like in terms of what you need to respond to in terms of the build forms to be adjacent to a fire hall in this location?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5404.705, "end": 5419.385, "text": "Um well with the response on the built farm, I think we've with the M1, I think we've looked at the site in this full context. Uh contextually, I mean, yes, there's 114 uh letters of opposition. Uh so scale was important." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5419.745, "end": 5426.805, "text": "Um so the M1 land use designation uh that was selected for the multifamily uh component." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5427.245, "end": 5431.945, "text": "Was intended to kind of keep the scale uh appropriate to the surrounding context. The" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5432.865, "end": 5440.485, "text": "fire station itself, I mean, we've worked with administration with respect to understanding the land requirement, understanding the site concept." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5440.705, "end": 5456.745, "text": "In terms of its scale, I think that'll come through on the development permit stage uh sort of bit of reliance there that the DP will address uh contextual and scale. I think the use itself within the original plan is such that it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5457.625, "end": 5476.565, "text": "It's it's gonna be one of those uses that is within the community. It's a needed uh component for the city. Um so it's not unfortunately it's not gonna just be a community sort of perspective. Um however it uh again through the DP process I would imagine that will be sort of the uh belts and suspenders to ensure that there's um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5477.305, "end": 5479.525, "text": "call it integration, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5479.885, "end": 5480.965, "text": "respectful integration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5481.145, "end": 5483.265, "text": "Perfect. Thank you so much. Appreciate you being here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5484.905, "end": 5485.685, "text": "Commissioner Montgomery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 5488.145, "end": 5497.225, "text": "Thanks. Um when since the big problem seems to be the the reduction in commercial here, what do you guys see as the catchment area" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 5497.805, "end": 5499.145, "text": "for that commercial site?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 5500.525, "end": 5579.185, "text": "Is it okay if I just jump in with the general and then you can help? Sure. Yeah, so um speaking more broadly to the comments about the public opposition and the change, um this site is actually not changing in a significant way from what was originally proposed. Even in the concept plans that were provided with the original ON plan approval, um the fire hall site got a little bigger, but the original intent was for the CC1 to accommodate commercial but also a mix of uses that would include multi-residential. And there was even, you know, a site concept that showed that in a very similar size of site that is being moved up to the M1. Um, I think the challenge that came and that we had the opportunity to address through our engagement with the public was that uh when that CC1 was translated into marketing materials for the community, uh it appeared as a large commercial center. So folks got the impression that this was going to be a big box commercial center, which I think was never really going to be viable in this context, unfortunately. Um, but we still do have a very detailed plan, and Brookfield is intending to follow through on that plan for how to deliver the commercial, the grocery store, and the more boutique local commercial needs, in addition to the fire hall, which was always proposed at this site. So, and then I guess you can speak to Catchman if that helps." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5580.085, "end": 5600.705, "text": "Yeah, I think from a catchment perspective, I mean uh with respect to I think everything Jack mentioned there is is probably definitely as as we mentioned to the community is the misstep is in the planning materials we showed land use 14 acres uh of usable land use for the entire site as as commercial. Uh what we do not ever provide is sort of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5601.225, "end": 5610.585, "text": "development concepts. So we'll always get in sort sort of trouble if we um have to make any changes or it's slightly different at the end of the day. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5610.905, "end": 5622.805, "text": "In terms of the catchment, the catchment, this will be very much uh local community focused of Rockland Park. Um with potentially the development to the north," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5622.985, "end": 5626.365, "text": "those lands now coming through an outline plan. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5626.685, "end": 5630.445, "text": "potentially that would that would be a little bit of additional catchment. But the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5630.825, "end": 5632.405, "text": "general area is quite well served." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5632.765, "end": 5636.985, "text": "Um Crowfoot Center is of course going to be the largest regional play there," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5637.145, "end": 5639.245, "text": "lots of uh amenities and shopping." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5639.485, "end": 5649.505, "text": "Um and then the uh surrounding neighborhoods do also have um local scaled commercial uh as well. So hence definitely the intent was never to do" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5649.965, "end": 5655.285, "text": "fourteen acres of commercial for this uh neighborhood. The population just would not justify it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5659.125, "end": 5661.085, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions for the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5670.065, "end": 5671.605, "text": "Seeing none, thank you so much for being here today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5671.925, "end": 5673.945, "text": "Uh Commissioners, I need a mover for the item, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5674.825, "end": 5675.585, "text": "Commissioner Montgomery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 5677.925, "end": 5734.545, "text": "Thank you. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm gonna move this. I think you know there's uh I'd like to thank the applicant for being honest that their their marketing material might have been uh somewhat confusing, but uh um I do agree this this site is buried pretty deep and you know the the typical you know us planners always do this 800 meter radius and go commercial has to be within 800 meters. And and looking at that just from a planning perspective, not even being an expert in commercial, 50% of that radius has no residence whatsoever. Um so I think if you moved forward with with heavy commercial like the that that maybe was the perception of this, you you're gonna end up with 20 years of revolving doors and and commercial that just doesn't work. Um so I I am going to support this and uh um and wait to see what uh the other uh members of Planning Commission have to say. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5735.745, "end": 5737.705, "text": "Thank you. Commissioner Beckler to debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5737.985, "end": 5759.865, "text": "Uh thank you. Yeah, I'll support it as well. I mean it's a wonderful response to clear clearing clarity through the land use for for what's coming there. And I think the commercial is, you know, is is is right sized and I'm sure there will be no thank yous for the reduction in traffic from a commercial site being there or the lower insurance rates from uh from having a fire hall close by it. It's it's I think it's a good response. So thank you very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5761.265, "end": 5762.645, "text": "Any other debate on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5767.645, "end": 5769.905, "text": "Seeing none, back to Commissioner Montgomery to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 5771.085, "end": 5778.105, "text": "Just thanks to the applicant administration uh um for uh taking us through the process and uh we'll leave that with closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5778.565, "end": 5780.165, "text": "Thank you. Clerks, would you please bring up the evote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 5793.865, "end": 5795.305, "text": "And Commissioner Wagner, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5795.765, "end": 5796.345, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 5796.425, "end": 5796.765, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 5797.185, "end": 5797.965, "text": "Cheryl, the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5798.425, "end": 5799.465, "text": "Thank you. Please display the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5802.605, "end": 5804.525, "text": "That motion is carried A to zero." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5805.305, "end": 5817.725, "text": "We'll move on to 7.2.5. This is land use amendment in Manchester Ward 9, 5325 1A Street Southwest, LLC 2025 0066." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5818.625, "end": 5821.085, "text": "Mr. Stanford, when you're ready, please commence your presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5824.625, "end": 5825.625, "text": "No. Good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5826.705, "end": 5829.745, "text": "Good afternoon, Chair and Commission. My name is Carl Stamford." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5830.025, "end": 5837.545, "text": "And I'm here to present LOC twenty twenty-five-zero zero sixty-six, item seven point two five point five for your review." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5837.945, "end": 5849.945, "text": "Prior to beginning, we would like to note that a clerical error in the CPC report on page three and five of attachment one notes the site as being in the building scale low category instead of the building scale mid category." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5850.685, "end": 5853.165, "text": "So our apologies. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5854.365, "end": 5868.745, "text": "Administration is recommending approval of this land use amendment application from the Industrial Redevelopment IOR district to Commercial Corridor 2, C Corps 2 district with an FAR of 3.5 and a maximum height of 18 meters. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5870.345, "end": 5879.025, "text": "The subject site is a single lot located mid block of 5325 1A Street southwest in the southwest portion of the community in Manchester." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5879.965, "end": 5880.905, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5881.965, "end": 5904.665, "text": "Here's a higher resolution image of the site location. It measures 0.06 hectares in size. It's approximately 50 meters wide by 38 meters deep. It's generally flat with vehicular access provided on the west side through a rear lane. It is currently developed with a two-story building previously occupied by the amalgamated Transit Union Local 583. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5905.765, "end": 5930.325, "text": "So this is an image of the site as viewed from 1A Street looking northwards. The existing two story building can be seen in the middle left of the picture. The applicant intends to use this place as their place of worship small use slash church. The property adjoins a one story automotive detailing shop on its south side and one story office on the north side, with surface car parking on both sides of the building and at the rear. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5931.625, "end": 5938.325, "text": "And this is an image of the site as viewed looking southwards along the unpaved lane to the rear of the site. Next slide please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5939.625, "end": 5948.045, "text": "The surrounding development is uh generally characterized by a mix of industrial and commercial developments at low scale one, two stories in height." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5948.565, "end": 5950.305, "text": "Uh the site is uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5951.565, "end": 5962.225, "text": "To further to the west, we have more commercial and to the southwest we have more commercial. Chinook Mall is 17 minutes away. It's one block from McLeod Trail. You can see on the eastern side it's bent by the CP Railway." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5963.485, "end": 5997.185, "text": "Parcels designated as direct control district are located across the lane to the west with commercial corridor two districts to the southwest. Parcels to the north, south and east are designated industrial redevelopment IR district, with industrial general IG districts and industrial business districts located further east. There are also some churches in the area, mostly across McLeod Trail, about seven minutes being the nearest St. Anthony's Catholic Church, and most within a radius of 20 minutes. There are also some churches to the east, a 70 minute walk away." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5997.905, "end": 5998.825, "text": "Next slide please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6000.345, "end": 6025.605, "text": "So the proposed land use is commercial as Commercial Corridor 2 district and is intended to accommodate a mixed use and commercial uses. However, also it does allow additional uses such as place of worship small. The proposed zoning would allow a maximum building height of 18 metres, roughly equivalent six stories, and a maximum building floor area of about 2,000 square meters through a floor area ratio modifier of 3.5." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6026.125, "end": 6027.145, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6028.265, "end": 6054.645, "text": "The Chinix Community Local Area Plan identifies the subject site Map 3 Urban Form as being part of the neighborhood Flex Urban Form category and within an industrial transition area. Map 4 Building Scale on the right hand side identifies the site within the mid category, which allows development start 12 stories or less. In addition, the LIP identifies the site as being within a major activity center and a transit station area for the potential future 50th Avenue LRT station. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6055.925, "end": 6089.565, "text": "So, in summary, the proposed land use including the intended district and associated modifiers are in alignment with the MDP regarding density, height, and location considerations, which also encourages place of worship as vital pieces of social infrastructure. Administration received one letter opposition from the public, mostly in relation to parking. No development permit has been submitted for this application, however, concept plans have been submitted as part of pre application work. The applicant's intention is to accommodate church within the existing buildings with a later development permit to be submitted. Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6090.325, "end": 6100.085, "text": "So for the reasons outlined in this presentation and report, administration recommends approval of the application, but administration applicant teams are here to answer your questions. Thank you for your time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6101.365, "end": 6105.785, "text": "Thank you very much for the presentation. Commissioners, do we have any questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6111.205, "end": 6111.965, "text": "Commissioner Beckler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6113.025, "end": 6113.845, "text": "Uh thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6114.085, "end": 6115.405, "text": "I appreciate it. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6116.025, "end": 6120.045, "text": "my mother always taught me to be nothing about honest when I'm wrong about something. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6120.425, "end": 6129.585, "text": "I kind of saw this as contradicting the MDP. So I I think there's two I have a two part question for you, Mr. Sanford. Um one, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6130.385, "end": 6151.625, "text": "I guess given my understanding that places of worship are certainly having trouble to find locations to be, I I didn't see where it kind of falls within the MDP direction specific to places of worship as opposed to the use. Um, is admin working on any sort of general policy position on places of worship and how they would be sort of addressed in the future?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6152.745, "end": 6172.545, "text": "The MDP reference, I think it's section 2.2. And I can't off the top of my head remember the other section, I think it's 2.2.4. I c I can't recall. But uh I don't believe the LAP references specifically. I can be corrected on that. And I'm not aware of any specific policy that would detail guidelines in relation to places of worship at this moment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6173.705, "end": 6182.605, "text": "And then I guess while I have you appreciate that, you mentioned that actually there's other places of worship in through relative proximity to to the site. Are you able to just guide us to where those might be? Uh yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6182.605, "end": 6185.345, "text": "So mostly across McLeod Trail." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6185.345, "end": 6185.685, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6185.905, "end": 6189.525, "text": "So which uh there's a number of them, five or six." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6189.785, "end": 6190.125, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6190.125, "end": 6204.985, "text": "Approximately within a 20 minute radius, but there is one further east. I believe it's called Calgary Kerala Christian Assembly Church. And I believe that's 17 minute block uh 17-minute walk away directly eastwards." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6192.365, "end": 6192.465, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6204.985, "end": 6208.005, "text": "Other side of the train tracks though. Other side of the tracks, I would guess." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6208.005, "end": 6209.145, "text": "In Manchester Industrial." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6209.145, "end": 6209.505, "text": "Yeah, yeah, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6209.505, "end": 6209.845, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 6209.845, "end": 6223.785, "text": "Okay. No, that's very helpful. Thanks for trying to answer those questions. I think it's be important that we maybe identify this as an opportunity to develop some sort of policy that could guide these types of decisions. MDP being our North Star, so to speak. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6223.785, "end": 6224.565, "text": "I agree. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6225.345, "end": 6226.685, "text": "Thank you. Commissioner Small." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6228.345, "end": 6235.545, "text": "Thank you. Um you mentioned that 18 meters could facilitate six stories. Has any" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6236.265, "end": 6240.085, "text": "um massing been done to illustrate this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6241.185, "end": 6252.065, "text": "So the applicant's immediate intent is to refurbish the building. And we have on the supplement sides, I think it's 13 and 14. They there's some images of that. If you want to take a look, if you want to put them on screen," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6252.805, "end": 6253.505, "text": "please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6254.625, "end": 6256.585, "text": "Yeah. Slide 13 and 14." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6258.625, "end": 6259.125, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6262.625, "end": 6270.345, "text": "Hade arrived at the 3.5 FAR modifier that was based on a six-story approximate conceptual plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6271.005, "end": 6293.185, "text": "It isn't an industrial transition area, and even though their intent is to currently develop it as shown here, I believe they just wanted to arrive at a reasonable compromise that aligned with the city's policy, which allows up to 12 with the constraints of the site and the context of the area, which transitions from mid to low on the next block, I believe. So a six story" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6293.365, "end": 6299.285, "text": "Proposal seemed like a kind of reasonable compromise to what actually could be allowed on the site, which is much denser." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6300.805, "end": 6301.245, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6302.765, "end": 6303.965, "text": "Thank you, Commissioner Hardwick." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6307.145, "end": 6310.305, "text": "I had a similar question about the density uplift. So so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6311.265, "end": 6312.125, "text": "the proposals" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6312.765, "end": 6314.225, "text": "Only a two story proposal" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6314.925, "end": 6317.605, "text": "and it's got a three and a half times uplift" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6317.745, "end": 6319.945, "text": "to the site. Why why is exactly" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6320.245, "end": 6322.305, "text": "Did you consider having a lower FAR?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6322.965, "end": 6323.605, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6324.745, "end": 6326.525, "text": "so the applicant proposed the FAR." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6327.345, "end": 6339.805, "text": "We felt it was reasonable because there's uh there's a number of factors involved in this. Uh there this site is a narrow site, it's 50 meters across with setbacks that could produce further." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6340.225, "end": 6341.185, "text": "Anything" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6341.745, "end": 6345.245, "text": "a six story is a sort of viable economic." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6345.965, "end": 6356.485, "text": "Limit. When you go above this, you have a different kind of construction. So they may have simply developed what they felt was a reasonable conceptual limit on any future development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6357.405, "end": 6357.725, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6358.145, "end": 6359.065, "text": "Uh and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6359.605, "end": 6361.525, "text": "uh I have another question about that. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6363.005, "end": 6366.985, "text": "did you consider doing a direct control district to limit the use to place of worship?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6367.105, "end": 6367.745, "text": "Yes, we did." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6367.865, "end": 6369.765, "text": "And what was the result of that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6370.005, "end": 6385.265, "text": "So we looked at a number of other districts. Initially, the applicant submitted with an IG district, which would allow a large place of worship, but the minimum requirement for the size for an area of assembly in that was uh to wouldn't could not be met on site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6386.025, "end": 6390.165, "text": "We also looked at the medium use and other districts" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6390.565, "end": 6424.525, "text": "potentially incorporating a DC, but C core two aligns with the neighborhood flex category, the LAP, Industrial Transition Area, and also the emerging character you see creeping in from the southwest. So we felt here's a stock district, it provides a place to use small, which aligns with what the applicant wants to achieve on site. And it was uh for that reason, uh DC, which would have allowed more places use, places small, medium, large, uh, was not needed. And the bylaw requires us to go to stock district over at DC where available." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6424.645, "end": 6425.165, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6425.425, "end": 6425.885, "text": "Welcome." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6426.885, "end": 6428.185, "text": "Thank you, Com uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6428.625, "end": 6429.265, "text": "Vice Chair Mahler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6430.225, "end": 6449.225, "text": "Thank you, Chair, and thanks for the presentation, Mr. Stanford. This is more for my clarification. I was looking in the plan, but it's industrial transition category, and I can't find the policies for that. Is it transitioning to industrial or away from industrial? And does it provide any conditions under which that's appropriate to happen at what time?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6449.305, "end": 6463.205, "text": "It's transitioning to commercial mixed use, uh some residential. Uh there are a number of requirements set out in in terms of what is expected there, not delivery, um in the LAP," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6464.265, "end": 6468.545, "text": "that they should be livable, that should be good entrances, etc., appropriate to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6468.545, "end": 6479.805, "text": "So on the maybe this is a question for development engineering, but at the time of development permit, what type of infrastructure are we looking at putting into this area as it transitions to uses that are more walkable?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6480.265, "end": 6487.865, "text": "A hundred percent. And I might invite my colleagues here to speak to that future context. At the moment they have an interrupted non-contiguous sidewalk," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6488.585, "end": 6494.805, "text": "which is appropriate to the use and and the conceptual plan proposed here. Uh future development" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6495.685, "end": 6497.605, "text": "uh well I'll defer to my colleague Carlos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6498.265, "end": 6498.705, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6498.985, "end": 6505.125, "text": "Uh thank you. Carlos Barrel with uh mobility. Uh yeah, we would be looking too for the development to install new sidewalks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6505.345, "end": 6513.165, "text": "Uh based on the scope that they come back with at the development permit, we'd see how far we can take that sidewalk to try to connect to the major system." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6513.325, "end": 6524.045, "text": "So it would be developer cost for that sidewalk and then is the city budgeting for connecting that sidewalk to other things? Or would this just be a stub of sidewalk until other redevelopment happens?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6524.125, "end": 6531.425, "text": "That's correct. It will be uh just done. Uh developer funded and then we will look for other development in the area too." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6531.425, "end": 6531.905, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6532.165, "end": 6534.865, "text": "And that'll be done through a condition of development permit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6534.865, "end": 6535.525, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6536.265, "end": 6536.645, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6537.805, "end": 6538.265, "text": "Appreciate it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6538.385, "end": 6539.085, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6539.445, "end": 6540.325, "text": "Commissioner Harlick." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6541.105, "end": 6547.385, "text": "Sure. Um attachment one says the site is located in a station area for a potential future 50th Avenue" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6547.625, "end": 6548.705, "text": "LRT station." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6549.345, "end": 6553.005, "text": "Um I'm not sure how to ask this, but let's go with how future is that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6554.425, "end": 6555.505, "text": "Do you want to answer or will I?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6556.385, "end": 6581.765, "text": "I'll introduce you. So unfortunately I don't have a supplemental side for this, but uh potential future infill LRT has been identified by the city to be located at 50th Avenue and CP Railway, CPKC freight rail corridor, I should say. Uh it's not funded currently. Uh private sector interest and sport will be the catalyst for pursuing this work related to a potential station. I don't know if you want to add anything there, Kyle." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6582.885, "end": 6583.965, "text": "No, I think you cover" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6584.185, "end": 6584.585, "text": "all of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6584.585, "end": 6585.545, "text": "So it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6585.545, "end": 6585.825, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6585.825, "end": 6586.965, "text": "theoretically possible." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6587.445, "end": 6587.745, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6587.745, "end": 6588.245, "text": "Money pending." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6588.245, "end": 6588.865, "text": "Desirable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6589.145, "end": 6589.505, "text": "Got it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6589.505, "end": 6589.965, "text": "We'll say" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6590.165, "end": 6590.465, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6592.845, "end": 6593.445, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6594.625, "end": 6596.845, "text": "Any other questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6605.545, "end": 6611.525, "text": "Seeing none, thank you for being here today. I believe we have questions for the applicant. So if the applicant can please come forward and introduce themselves." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6611.645, "end": 6612.145, "text": "thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6615.345, "end": 6620.505, "text": "Hi, my name is Aman Hamoud. I'm uh representing the Christian uh way forward mission." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6621.505, "end": 6621.925, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6621.925, "end": 6625.265, "text": "And I believe there will be some uh representatives in person as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6626.765, "end": 6629.365, "text": "Yes, I see uh I see them walking forward to the table right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6630.145, "end": 6647.845, "text": "Good afternoon, uh Chair and Commissioners. Um we are from the Way Christian Mission Fellowship uh with the building committee, which we formed four or five years ago uh to start uh planning on the building, uh, together with our colleague on the audience. Uh my name is Gilberto Anchetta, I'm with the planning ministry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 6648.925, "end": 6652.245, "text": "And I am Armando Fontaler, the senior pastor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 6652.705, "end": 6653.405, "text": "of the church." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 6653.745, "end": 6656.265, "text": "I'm Lenin Kedang, I'm the lead in the building ministry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6657.225, "end": 6659.945, "text": "Thank you so much for being here today. Uh Commissioner Small." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6662.025, "end": 6663.485, "text": "Thank you. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6663.865, "end": 6705.925, "text": "We've heard today that the potential to go six stories is part of the reason why you have an FAR and a building height being proposed as is in my experience 18 meters is you can't build six stories usually within 18 meters. You're very limited then to having a very flat site, having very minimal width or thickness of floors, uh roofs that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6707.385, "end": 6708.345, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6708.765, "end": 6709.885, "text": "I would say" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6710.285, "end": 6715.005, "text": "that may be a possibility, uh, sir, but right now our focus." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6715.285, "end": 6722.165, "text": "Is to make use of the existing structure of the building, which is a two-story." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6722.745, "end": 6724.765, "text": "We've also" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6725.425, "end": 6732.945, "text": "revised our plan in terms of the number of uh attendees in our services, so which is now" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6733.225, "end": 6734.185, "text": "just a hundred." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6734.785, "end": 6736.905, "text": "Uh every service which" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6737.205, "end": 6741.385, "text": "the existing building would accommodate even in just one floor, and our strategy" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6741.825, "end": 6745.805, "text": "is to just conduct multiple services. Right now we're just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6746.065, "end": 6750.065, "text": "uh from 90 to 110, which still is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6750.545, "end": 6751.285, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6751.585, "end": 6755.265, "text": "fit for the existing size of the building, the one floor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6756.945, "end": 6760.405, "text": "I mentioned about the strategy of multiple services. So we are blessed with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6760.765, "end": 6764.945, "text": "several pastors already in our congregation as well as" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6768.105, "end": 6769.585, "text": "individuals that are learning" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6769.945, "end": 6775.265, "text": "for preaching as well. So we will be able to support multiple services" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6775.545, "end": 6777.005, "text": "in one day." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6777.305, "end": 6782.825, "text": "Uh that's that's our that's our strategy to uh use the existing uh two story building" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6783.165, "end": 6783.905, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6784.545, "end": 6787.265, "text": "uh today and probably in in the near future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6789.405, "end": 6789.945, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6790.365, "end": 6794.265, "text": "And just one small um comment on the identity point of view." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6794.625, "end": 6801.525, "text": "Uh we gave requests for early revision of 3.5. It was quite deliberate in the sense that it does align with the city's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6801.865, "end": 6805.685, "text": "long term vision for what we have understood for the managers support order." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6806.045, "end": 6812.605, "text": "Additionally, we believe, and we have read through the LAP for the Summit community, which then specifically identifies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6813.105, "end": 6819.705, "text": "The area for high intensity commercial and residential growth. So it could love to be existing intangible for structure. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6819.905, "end": 6824.645, "text": "as uh Gilberto mentioned, our intention at this point is to more referber" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6824.925, "end": 6835.565, "text": "and then just spread out the services. But um if there ever comes a future where we are in a position to essentially redesign and rebuild, then the current uh proposal that we are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6835.925, "end": 6840.385, "text": "uh moving forward hopefully just provide that flexibility at a future date." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6843.185, "end": 6844.345, "text": "Thank you. Commissioner Harleck." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6845.965, "end": 6859.045, "text": "Hi. Um thanks for being here. I'm might pick that up that question up the other way. Um sometimes commission has come along and somebody has applied for something thinking this could be six stories, and commission has said that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6859.485, "end": 6870.165, "text": "Height seems a little bit low. I guess I'm just wondering if commission thought that twenty four meters was a better height or something higher that still fit six stories but was actually easier to build," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6870.765, "end": 6871.505, "text": "would that be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6872.225, "end": 6874.905, "text": "would you be receptive to a change in in the height?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6876.165, "end": 6876.925, "text": "Would that be helpful?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6878.645, "end": 6880.525, "text": "Uh so like the number of stories." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6880.525, "end": 6881.845, "text": "Does it gilberto" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6881.985, "end": 6885.305, "text": "Yeah. From eighteen maybe to twenty four, I don't know. I'm looking around the room." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 6885.725, "end": 6887.105, "text": "Go ahead, Aman, sorry, excuse me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6889.685, "end": 6897.765, "text": "uh at the end of the day, of course, like if if the congregation grows at a at a pace where the additional height will help, again, having the additional" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6898.005, "end": 6898.545, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6899.225, "end": 6901.265, "text": "height designation or the height modifier" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6901.505, "end": 6914.665, "text": "is always a good thing in the event that we do go to 24 meters. But again, uh, and I believe the city administration can confirm this, we wouldn't be, you can say, limited or explicitly required to build up to 24." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6915.145, "end": 6919.505, "text": "see what being up to. So in the event that uh the congregation is growing," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6919.665, "end": 6925.625, "text": "maybe we don't necessarily need to go to 24, but from a policy point of view, if it does align better to have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6925.845, "end": 6933.705, "text": "the height modifier revised from 18 to 24, I don't see that being contentious with myself lord the uh the church as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6935.445, "end": 6936.025, "text": "Okay. I just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6937.605, "end": 6937.965, "text": "thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6939.725, "end": 6942.225, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions for the applicant on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6949.565, "end": 6951.665, "text": "All right. Seeing none, thank you so much for being here today. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6952.045, "end": 6952.865, "text": "Commissioner." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 6953.185, "end": 6953.885, "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6953.905, "end": 6954.265, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6954.565, "end": 6956.505, "text": "Uh Commissioners, I need a mover for the item, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6961.265, "end": 6961.925, "text": "Commissioner Small." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6964.665, "end": 6998.165, "text": "Thank you. I'll move the item. I support this. It's in an area that's been delineated as a transition area away from industrial. And so this area, in theory, in the future, could have a whole mixture of industrial, commercial, residential uses, and therefore it would meet policy. And we've heard from the applicant that based on their plans, the FAR and the height would meet their plans. So I'll support it as is. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6999.145, "end": 7000.625, "text": "Thank you. Commissioner Beckler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7001.165, "end": 7025.885, "text": "I appreciate that just really quick. Um Commissioner Small, thanks for saying that. I was kind of curious. Commissioner Hillwick had a an idea on the floor, and I just I just maybe want to clarify um if 18's too tight and 24 is too high. My only thought in terms of having the debate now was this is the time to make the change if we're gonna recommend it. And I know that we're don't see a lot in Calgary, but we're starting to see ceilings on our land uses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7026.185, "end": 7031.845, "text": "Um so my worry would be that they get ceilinged at 18 on their 10 of the on their" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7032.505, "end": 7037.585, "text": "sort of legal plan. So I'm just I'm just curious. I don't know maybe maybe staff could advise what they think might be best." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7040.905, "end": 7049.705, "text": "We uh we are in debate, but I will allow chair for admin to come back up and answer that question if possible, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7050.465, "end": 7051.005, "text": "Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7055.505, "end": 7058.345, "text": "So whether to go higher, it's not often you hear that, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7058.865, "end": 7060.665, "text": "It's usually the other way. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7061.465, "end": 7072.465, "text": "I I have no objection if the applicant has no objection to it being higher. I aligns still with policy, 24 meters still within the limit. Usually an applicant may be concerned" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7072.865, "end": 7085.385, "text": "that people will be reactive to a height, even if it's a maximum, not the actual target. Just as we discussed today, it's a two story bill and we're discussing a six story building. So that's the only caveat, and really if the applicant is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7086.245, "end": 7087.045, "text": "is uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7087.645, "end": 7088.565, "text": "satisfied" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7088.925, "end": 7093.045, "text": "with that going higher to twenty four meters, uh administration will support that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 7095.925, "end": 7097.445, "text": "I appreciate that feedback. Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7098.765, "end": 7101.265, "text": "Thank you, Com uh Director Mahler" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7101.865, "end": 7102.405, "text": "to debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7103.425, "end": 7157.665, "text": "Yes, I'll be uh supporting the application too. The policy clearly is identifying this as a future transition away from industrial. I do though want to flag, look, just looking at the pictures, it it is challenging when the first some of these first developments are mid-block, and the pedestrian connections from a cloud trail, if somebody is arriving by transit, they'll have a nice sidewalk in front of the building, but they'll have no place to walk to get there. And so I think this is more to administration than it is to the applicant. I think we need to come up for ways in the local area plan where we actually identify an area that's going to be transitioned. We need to have a strategy for how what happens when it starts transitioning, and how do you fund uh proper infrastructure for those uses that now kind of pioneer into the area? And I I know there's no obvious solution, but this was a good application to at least flag the issue. Um but uh great presentation and thanks for the answers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7158.585, "end": 7160.225, "text": "Thank you, Commissioner Kemball Walters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 7161.025, "end": 7163.865, "text": "Thank you, Chair. I'll also be supporting this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 7164.885, "end": 7183.105, "text": "application. It represents a modest adaptive reuse of an existing building to accommodate a current community oriented use, which I hear is growing in the area. It's also well serviced and it's in a commercial area, so it's a transition area. So very appropriate for this location. Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7184.625, "end": 7186.325, "text": "Thank you. Any other debate on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7187.025, "end": 7187.785, "text": "Commissioner Harlock." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7189.125, "end": 7191.865, "text": "Um, I think I'll leave it at at 18. It's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7192.005, "end": 7193.765, "text": "it's comfortable it'll get the job done and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7195.045, "end": 7198.225, "text": "I don't really love having community groups have to come back" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7198.505, "end": 7200.965, "text": "years later for a project, but I suspect" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7201.785, "end": 7204.845, "text": "if they're coming back for six stories, they're coming back years from now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7205.245, "end": 7209.325, "text": "They're comfortable with it, and I will be comfortable with that too and happily support" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7209.505, "end": 7210.405, "text": "the the use." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7212.505, "end": 7216.685, "text": "Thank you. Seeing no other debate, back to Commissioner Small to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7218.085, "end": 7218.525, "text": "Close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7219.065, "end": 7220.585, "text": "Thank you, clerks. Would you please bring up the evote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 7232.485, "end": 7233.685, "text": "Commissioner Wagner, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7234.465, "end": 7234.945, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 7235.765, "end": 7237.305, "text": "Thank you very much. Chair, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7237.825, "end": 7238.845, "text": "Thank you. Please display the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7240.485, "end": 7242.645, "text": "And the motion is carried 8 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 7243.625, "end": 7244.465, "text": "Chair and Commission." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7246.745, "end": 7252.845, "text": "We will move on to 7.2.6, and I believe Commissioner Beckler has a conflict, so we'll give a moment for him to recuse himself." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7261.485, "end": 7270.585, "text": "Thank you. This is Land Use Amendment in Beltline Ward 8 at 310 15 AV Southwest LLC 2025-0242." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7271.145, "end": 7273.765, "text": "Ms. Ball, when you're ready, please commence your presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7281.925, "end": 7288.025, "text": "Okay. Good afternoon. My name's Kate Ball and I'll be presenting the next three items." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7288.565, "end": 7300.105, "text": "Item 7.2.6 is a land use redesignation in the community of Beltline to allow for supportive commercial uses to be included in the existing multi-residential development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7300.605, "end": 7301.565, "text": "Slide two please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7302.945, "end": 7323.625, "text": "Administration's recommendation is that the Calgary Planning Commission recommend that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject parcel from direct control DC districts and center city multi-residential high-rise district to Center City Multi-Residential High Rise Support Commercial District. Slide three, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7325.385, "end": 7329.265, "text": "The subject site is located in the greater downtown community of Beltline." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7329.865, "end": 7334.305, "text": "The subject site is a corner parcel at 15th Avenue and 2nd Street Southwest." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7335.045, "end": 7342.725, "text": "It's in close proximity to the 17th Avenue Main Street that offers a variety of amenities, services, and access to transit stops." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7343.785, "end": 7344.625, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7346.185, "end": 7359.545, "text": "The rectangular site is approximately 50 meters by 42 meters and totals approximately 0.26 hectares in size. It's currently developed with a recently completed six-story multi-residential building. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7360.965, "end": 7380.005, "text": "The next two slides are site photos. Here you can see the site looking northwest from the corner of 15th Avenue and 2nd Street southwest. The ground floor corner unit has been used as a residential sales center and would be the location for future commercial uses as the applicant submission suggests. Slide six, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7381.445, "end": 7385.365, "text": "This photo is of the building looking east from 15th Avenue Southwest." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7386.645, "end": 7387.845, "text": "Slide 7, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7389.225, "end": 7407.445, "text": "Surrounding development is characterized by a mix of commercial and residential buildings. To the west is a single detached dwelling. To the north is a small scale commercial building located in a historic townhouse building. To the east is a church, and to the south is an eight story multi residential development. Slide 8, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7409.605, "end": 7426.425, "text": "The proposed CCMHX district is designed to fit into the primarily residential area of Beltline. It allows for a similar size and scale development as the previous DC districts and CCMH district, while also allowing for additional commercial uses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7427.945, "end": 7434.405, "text": "For example, restaurant, retail and consumer service, and healthcare service are listed in CCMHX district." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7434.565, "end": 7435.845, "text": "Slide 9, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7437.105, "end": 7450.125, "text": "For the reasons outlined in the report, administration is making the above recommendation to the Calgary Planning Commission. This concludes my presentation. The applicant should be on the phone line, and administration is happy to answer any questions. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7450.785, "end": 7456.885, "text": "All right, thank you so much for the presentation. We'll go to questions of administration, starting with uh Commissioner Montgomery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7458.385, "end": 7478.065, "text": "Thank you. It's not often we see a building that's under construction almost completed, covering three different land uses. How did we get here? One is some of the background, and how is the uh development permit evaluated based on the fact that it sat over three different land uses?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7478.605, "end": 7519.805, "text": "Right, so there were historic DC districts that would have been applied back before subdivisions. So old historic homes that had maybe offices in them had received DCs. We we do that when an old building wants one little use or something. And that's what these DC districts reflect. They were based on the RM7 district, which is a high-rise district. So when this application came in, they didn't do a land use. They built under the existing districts. So it's just remnant, they're still there from prior to consolidation and building." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7521.125, "end": 7522.005, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7523.185, "end": 7540.645, "text": "I guess my question is is then you've got a district on one side of a building that doesn't match a district on the other side of a building, which doesn't have which then I believe there was three. So when you're evaluating that site, like it seems to me we did something backwards here. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7541.305, "end": 7545.605, "text": "It feels like we're put in a position now where we don't have a choice" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7546.105, "end": 7556.465, "text": "to vote this because we're cleaning up something. So I I just want a little bit of clarification to know that, hey, this is house cleaning there, you know, or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7557.105, "end": 7559.845, "text": "like how how did we get as far down the road here" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7560.565, "end": 7561.065, "text": "Well," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7561.065, "end": 7562.965, "text": "through through that development permit?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7562.965, "end": 7589.905, "text": "Yeah, when a development permit is reviewed, it's reviewed against all of the districts that are there. And if it if there were no conflicts, then we wouldn't require a land use change. So if they were meeting those rules, I wasn't the file manager for that DP, but if if they are meeting rules then then they're allowed to develop. And because all of those DCs allowed for higher development," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7590.645, "end": 7592.705, "text": "that's what would have happened." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7592.965, "end": 7593.945, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7595.245, "end": 7596.325, "text": "Thank you, Commissioner Wagner." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7599.085, "end": 7600.385, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7600.585, "end": 7605.305, "text": "I note that the applicant's summary, there's a statement, and I will quote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7605.705, "end": 7616.925, "text": "An amendment to the Beltline ARP may be required, which will be confirmed by the city through its review of the land use application. Could you comment on that? And I think I might even say that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7617.245, "end": 7624.085, "text": "this seems to follow on um Commissioner Montgomery's question. This this all seems out of order and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7624.505, "end": 7625.565, "text": "very curious." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7626.325, "end": 7627.425, "text": "Sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7627.725, "end": 7632.205, "text": "I do have a supplementary slide 12, if we could go to that one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7635.245, "end": 7640.825, "text": "It's pretty small, but um so the primarily residential area um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7641.845, "end": 7681.105, "text": "does allow for some small commercial. Um policy three or I guess 4.2.23 says that development authority may consider non-residential uses in locations other than in the non-residential use policy areas if they're situated on a corner of a block and would not detract from essentially residential character of the immediate vicinity. So in this case, um, we didn't require policy amendment to the primarily residential to add it to a mixed use area because this allows for it to happen with a small commercial. The building is also already built, so we're not um the risk of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7681.705, "end": 7696.585, "text": "Uh the whole ground floor going commercial or multiple floors going commercial um doesn't exist in this case, so we were comfortable with giving a base district that allows some supportive commercial um that would be used in this corner unit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7697.845, "end": 7700.585, "text": "I'm not sure if I answered your whole question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7700.885, "end": 7705.145, "text": "Well, thank you for your comments. Uh maybe just to follow up, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7706.925, "end": 7712.965, "text": "I think we all know that what exists today may not exist tomorrow. So I appreciate you saying." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7714.065, "end": 7715.945, "text": "what is there on the corner now, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7716.805, "end": 7721.445, "text": "there is no guarantee that the whole floor won't be commercial in the future. Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7721.945, "end": 7746.905, "text": "If this building were to go away and this land use district remained, it is still a district that was developed for, and this is a corner parcel, the whole parcel is a corner parcel. And the district was designed to go in areas like this that are primarily residential but allow for some commercial uses. And so administration is okay with that potential future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7747.605, "end": 7748.125, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7750.485, "end": 7751.585, "text": "Thank you, Commissioner Harlick." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7752.465, "end": 7754.285, "text": "So just to make sure I've got this right," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7754.585, "end": 7755.605, "text": "the real question is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7756.025, "end": 7759.045, "text": "is six floor sign corner stores okay here in the beltline?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7759.545, "end": 7760.225, "text": "Have I got that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7760.405, "end": 7760.605, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7760.765, "end": 7761.045, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7761.465, "end": 7761.725, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7763.385, "end": 7765.905, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7774.965, "end": 7777.685, "text": "Seeing none, any questions for the applicant on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7786.025, "end": 7788.165, "text": "Also seeing none, can I please get a mover for the item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7790.985, "end": 7791.785, "text": "Commissioner Montgomery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7793.605, "end": 7797.145, "text": "Uh thanks. I'll I'll move this. Um I I don't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7799.285, "end": 7827.685, "text": "I don't really like how we got here, but we're here, and I actually don't disagree with anything that was built or anything that was being done. Um it just seems that the the process might have been a little bit uh bit backwards, but uh since none of us were involved in that uh um you know we're we're at where we're at right now and I think it's uh a good project and this looks like it's lining up with uh with what is built and just cleaning stuff up here. So uh that being said, I look forward to hearing from any other members of uh planning commission." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7829.085, "end": 7830.785, "text": "Thank you. Director Mahler to debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7831.765, "end": 7886.905, "text": "Thank you, Chair. And uh it occurred to me when you were reading the policy, I remember drafting the policy back in the day. Uh, but actually I just, you know, for more for planning commission members, but that policy was always intended to provide flexibility within those primarily residential areas to allow for commercial. I remember trying to actually get non-commercial, um, and it was actually the belt, it was the community associations and business improvement areas at the time that were very insistent on ensuring flexibility to allow commercial within those residential areas and corner store types of prototypes is what they were thinking. So when this development permit came in, in spite of the land use boundaries that were odd, it it is very compliant. In fact, it's it's it's exactly what was envisioned by the area redevelopment plan. So for those reasons, this really is just uh cleaning up something in a in a land use, and I'm very supportive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7888.805, "end": 7890.385, "text": "Thank you. Any other debate on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7897.765, "end": 7899.805, "text": "Seeing none, back to Commissioner Montgomery to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 7900.265, "end": 7905.545, "text": "Uh perfect. Just thanks to administration and uh the applicant for uh bringing this forward uh closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7905.925, "end": 7907.605, "text": "Thank you, clerks. Would you please bring up the e vote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 7918.145, "end": 7919.365, "text": "Commissioner Wagner, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7919.545, "end": 7920.005, "text": "Yes?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 7920.385, "end": 7920.785, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 7921.705, "end": 7922.465, "text": "Chair all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7922.745, "end": 7923.745, "text": "Thank you, please display the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7925.785, "end": 7927.465, "text": "And the motion is carried seven to zero." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7928.185, "end": 7931.145, "text": "We'll provide a moment for Commissioner Beckler to return to his seat." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7954.825, "end": 7960.005, "text": "Alright, and we'll move on to item 7.2.7. This is land use amendment in belt line ward eight." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7960.685, "end": 7962.225, "text": "Ms. Ball, continue on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7963.465, "end": 7974.525, "text": "Item 7.2.7 is a land use redesignation in the community of Beltline to allow for the transfer of density from a source site, which is a designated municipal" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7974.685, "end": 7980.225, "text": "historic resource, to a receiving site through the mechanism of heritage density transfer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7980.705, "end": 7981.585, "text": "Slide two, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7982.945, "end": 7992.265, "text": "Administration's recommendation is that the Calgary Planning Commission recommend that council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject source parcel" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7992.705, "end": 7995.945, "text": "from direct control district to direct control district." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7996.105, "end": 8000.645, "text": "And the receiving parcel from Center City Multiresidential High Rise District" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8000.925, "end": 8004.605, "text": "to Direct Control District to accommodate heritage density transfer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8004.905, "end": 8005.925, "text": "Slide three, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8007.785, "end": 8014.625, "text": "Both sites are located in the greater downtown community of Beltline. The source site is located mid block on 13th Avenue" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8014.905, "end": 8018.605, "text": "between 6th Street Southwest and 7th Street Southwest." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8019.105, "end": 8024.925, "text": "The receiving site is located on the corner of 14th Avenue Southwest and 12th Street Southwest." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8025.405, "end": 8033.745, "text": "The receiving site is in close proximity to 14th Street Southwest that provides significant neighborhood commercial development and amenities. Slide four, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8035.565, "end": 8076.545, "text": "Heritage density transfer is a process outlined in the Beltline Area Redevelopment Plan that allows for municipally designated heritage resources to essentially sell their surplus density to another site within the Beltline ARP area. The receiving site can then use this density to up their allowable base density in accordance with the bonus density policies. The receiving site is rectangular and approximately 25 meters by 39 meters and totals approximately 0.1 hectares in size. The receiving site was subdivided out from the neighboring site in 2023 and is currently undeveloped. Slide 5, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8078.205, "end": 8083.805, "text": "The next two slides are site photos. This photo is of the Moxham apartments, the source site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8084.885, "end": 8086.045, "text": "Slide six please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8087.045, "end": 8089.785, "text": "This photo is of the receiving site looking northwest." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8091.325, "end": 8092.385, "text": "Slide seven, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8093.485, "end": 8115.865, "text": "Surrounding development of the receiving site is characterized by multi-residential buildings and small scale commercial. To the west of the site is a historic home converted into healthcare service. To the north is an eight story multi residential building. To the south is a historic home converted into office, and to the west is the Chelsea Estates Development, a 20 story multi residential building." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8116.285, "end": 8117.445, "text": "Slide 8, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8118.805, "end": 8134.985, "text": "The proposed DC district is based on CCMH. The source site has a new maximum 1.3 FAR, which is the amount of the existing MOXM apartments building, and leaves no further density available for future transfer if this bylaw is passed by council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8136.125, "end": 8148.585, "text": "The receiving site would have an increase base to 7.1 FAR. That may be increased further to 7.7 FAR in accordance with the bonus density provisions in the land use bylaw. Slide 9, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8150.085, "end": 8162.525, "text": "For the reasons outlined in the report, administration is making the above recommendation to the Calgary Planning Commission. This concludes my presentation. The applicant is in attendance, and administration is happy to answer any questions. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8163.285, "end": 8168.145, "text": "Thank you very much for the presentation. Uh Commissioners, do we have any questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8182.865, "end": 8183.565, "text": "Commissioner Harleck." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8187.785, "end": 8188.225, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8188.785, "end": 8193.465, "text": "this is not my first sort of direct control district dealing with that, so I don't really have any questions about that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8193.825, "end": 8195.065, "text": "But I was a little surprised" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8195.385, "end": 8196.305, "text": "about the comment that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8196.585, "end": 8198.185, "text": "there was no engagement done on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8198.785, "end": 8199.185, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8200.165, "end": 8202.525, "text": "I guess I can understand that, it's city led." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8203.205, "end": 8204.385, "text": "But there will be engagement" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8204.865, "end": 8206.045, "text": "about the application" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8206.305, "end": 8207.305, "text": "on the receiving site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8207.565, "end": 8207.945, "text": "Right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8209.205, "end": 8215.405, "text": "So the engagement would come at the time of development permit when this may be applied. So they" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8215.765, "end": 8226.245, "text": "um they would be applying for a development. We don't know if they'll be achieving the full FAR or not, and that's the time when engagement would happen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8226.485, "end": 8230.725, "text": "The the applicant is in the in the um gallery too if you want to ask them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8230.785, "end": 8233.025, "text": "I'll ask them that as well. Um I guess" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8233.765, "end": 8237.245, "text": "historically there haven't been a lot of uh complaints about density transfers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8238.385, "end": 8245.465, "text": "It's a process we already have in our bylaws, so generally we like to save heritage and allow for that to happen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8245.725, "end": 8245.865, "text": "Good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8246.145, "end": 8249.065, "text": "Thanks. Yeah, I will ask the applicant, but I'll let someone else talk first." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8250.285, "end": 8251.425, "text": "Thank you, Commissioner Small." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 8253.945, "end": 8257.085, "text": "Um thank you. Just following up on that engagement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 8257.585, "end": 8258.165, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 8258.665, "end": 8265.845, "text": "like any other process though, the big land use sign would be on both sites, correct? So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8266.005, "end": 8279.585, "text": "Correct. There was um the notice posting and the mail outs did did go. So um the the standard city process was followed. Just it's the sorry, I understood it as further engagement that didn't um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8280.045, "end": 8280.905, "text": "that wasn't done." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 8281.665, "end": 8282.465, "text": "No, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8284.505, "end": 8286.885, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8296.425, "end": 8299.185, "text": "Seeing none, I believe we will have questions for the Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8299.745, "end": 8300.845, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8301.125, "end": 8305.085, "text": "Well, are there any others who are interested in asking questions of the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8311.105, "end": 8312.785, "text": "Seeing none, can I please get a mover for the item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8325.405, "end": 8326.025, "text": "Commissioner Small." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 8328.265, "end": 8340.465, "text": "Thank you. Um I'll move the item. Uh direct control is the only way to do this. Uh and both are complying with policy and therefore I support. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8341.905, "end": 8342.505, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8343.025, "end": 8344.285, "text": "Any debate on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8350.645, "end": 8352.345, "text": "Seeing none, back to Commissioner Small's quotes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 8352.685, "end": 8353.245, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8353.485, "end": 8355.745, "text": "Thank you, clerks. Would you please bring up uh bring up the e-book?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 8368.645, "end": 8370.125, "text": "Commissioner Campbell Walters, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 8371.585, "end": 8372.025, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 8372.545, "end": 8373.685, "text": "Commissioner Wagner, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8373.885, "end": 8374.345, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 8374.345, "end": 8374.765, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 8379.765, "end": 8380.525, "text": "Chair, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8381.625, "end": 8384.165, "text": "Thank you. Uh please bring up the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8387.605, "end": 8389.545, "text": "And the motion is carried 8-0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8390.445, "end": 8396.585, "text": "Uh before we move on to 728, I'll ask for Commissioner Small to recuse himself as he has declared a conflict." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8404.745, "end": 8410.285, "text": "With that, we'll move on to 7.2.8, Policy and Land Use Amendment in Eau Claire Award 7." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8411.445, "end": 8413.125, "text": "Ms. Ball, continue on. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8413.985, "end": 8430.705, "text": "Before we begin, there is a package of report corrections for this file. Although the subject site is governed by the Eau Claire Area Redevelopment Plan, it's officially within the boundary of the Downtown Commercial Corps. So there are some corrections in the report to reflect this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8431.385, "end": 8434.465, "text": "And I'll continue with the presentation now if everyone's okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8435.545, "end": 8450.485, "text": "This is a land use redesignation in the community of Downtown Commercial Corps to allow for mixed use development designed to be sensitive to adjoining residential areas and provide a maximum base density with opportunity for bonus density. Slide two, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8452.365, "end": 8465.645, "text": "Administration's recommendation is that the Calgary Planning Commission recommend that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw to the Eau Claire Area Redevelopment Plan and to give three readings to the proposed bylaw to redesignate the subject site" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8466.385, "end": 8469.585, "text": "to Direct Control District to accommodate mixed use development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8470.065, "end": 8471.125, "text": "Slide three, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8473.165, "end": 8487.685, "text": "The subject site is located in the community of Downtown Commercial Corps. The subject site is mid block on 4th Avenue Southwest between 6th and 7th Street Southwest. The Downtown Commercial Corps offers a variety of amenities, services, and access to transit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8488.065, "end": 8489.205, "text": "Slide 4, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8492.685, "end": 8504.785, "text": "The rectangular site is approximately 55 meters by 37 meters and totals approximately 0.2 hectares in size. It is currently vacant land and being used as surface parking lot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8505.645, "end": 8506.905, "text": "Slide 5, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8508.425, "end": 8509.785, "text": "The next two slides" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8510.405, "end": 8519.025, "text": "have some site photos. Here you can see the site looking northwest from 4th Avenue Southwest. The Alberta Land Titles Building is in the background to the east." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8519.365, "end": 8520.385, "text": "Slide six please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8521.405, "end": 8523.925, "text": "This photo is a view from the site looking north." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8524.405, "end": 8525.605, "text": "Slide seven, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8526.885, "end": 8528.705, "text": "This is a view of the site from the lane." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8529.565, "end": 8531.025, "text": "Slide eight, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8532.745, "end": 8543.425, "text": "Surrounding development is characterized by a mix of commercial and residential buildings. To the west of the site is an 11 story residential building that has recently been converted from commercial to residential." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8543.645, "end": 8556.165, "text": "To the north of the site, across the lane is a five-story residential development. To the south of the site is the McDougal Center, and to the east is the Alberta Land Titles Building. Slide 9, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8558.445, "end": 8584.925, "text": "This DC is based on the CCX district to allow for high density mixed-use development with a maximum density of 5 FAR that may be increased to 8 FAR with bonus density provisions. There are maximum floor plate size rules that require increase, sorry, that require decreases in the floor plate size as the height of the building increases. This is to enable sunlight penetration to the north of the subject site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8585.425, "end": 8586.705, "text": "Slide 10, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8588.245, "end": 8616.465, "text": "An amendment to the Eau Claire area redevelopment plan is required to enable this proposal. The ARP states that all developments provide for certain requirements and that residential development does not require further density bonus to achieve between 5 and 8 FAR. This proposal is that no extra provisions would be required below 5 FAR and that density bonusing is required from 5 to 8 for both commercial and residential development. Slide 11, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8617.845, "end": 8630.365, "text": "For the reasons outlined in the report, administration is making the above recommendation to the Calgary Planning Commission. This concludes my presentation. The applicant is is in attendance and administration is happy to answer any questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8630.665, "end": 8631.185, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8631.345, "end": 8635.925, "text": "Thank you very much for the presentation. Uh, Commissioners, do we have any questions for administration on this one?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8643.085, "end": 8643.765, "text": "Commissioner Beckler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8645.745, "end": 8664.545, "text": "Uh thank you. I had a quick question to not to pick on words. Um confused a little bit with the initial presentation saying that we're the intent is to get the max FAR leave room for bonus y bonus density. Um so the five, how do we arrive at at the five being that numbers are just based on the land use? And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8664.705, "end": 8668.525, "text": "So the the five, like how did we decide on five?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8668.525, "end": 8669.285, "text": "yeah, as the max." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8670.305, "end": 8686.145, "text": "Yeah, so um that I mean that's how the ARP is designed where um you see under five there's certain requirements. It it had to do a lot with the plus fifteen, um which isn't required here anymore. And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8686.505, "end": 8701.425, "text": "those requirements are are not required anymore. And um that went to five, and then from five to eight was where bonus density kicked in. So that's how I that's how we look at it is that five was the appropriate place to start that bonus density." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8702.465, "end": 8715.405, "text": "Uh and I I noticed that the CA had a suggestion for 6.5 um FAR. Is there any background into sort of what would that do to the the bonus density opportunity for for the site?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8715.965, "end": 8734.825, "text": "Um we we didn't investigate six FAR t too far because they um the ARP already allows for eight and so we we didn't agree that six was going to be the appropriate amount. Um we we figured we would continue with the eight that is already allowed in the ARP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8737.125, "end": 8741.445, "text": "And is there um I actually have a question for the applicant, so that's fine. The next one. Thank you very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8742.565, "end": 8743.925, "text": "Thank you, Commissioner Harlack." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8744.465, "end": 8746.285, "text": "Sure. Um looking at the DC," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8746.585, "end": 8748.365, "text": "the tower separation rules." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8748.745, "end": 8749.145, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8750.445, "end": 8751.885, "text": "what's the logic for making" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8752.145, "end": 8753.465, "text": "the tower separations" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8753.885, "end": 8755.805, "text": "bigger when they're on the same parcel" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8756.465, "end": 8758.305, "text": "than on adjacent parcels?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8759.225, "end": 8761.925, "text": "I'm just thinking that you could build towers that were closer to each other" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8762.465, "end": 8766.485, "text": "and adjust where the windows are and all that sort of thing and have control over what is actually on the parcel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8766.785, "end": 8767.025, "text": "Great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8767.565, "end": 8768.265, "text": "But you have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8768.825, "end": 8770.545, "text": "written it so that we're more concerned about." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8771.045, "end": 8774.345, "text": "How the things on the parcel interact with each other than what's offside of." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8774.685, "end": 8780.225, "text": "So yeah, so typically that's how we do tower separation because we wanna um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 8781.085, "end": 8812.125, "text": "Write it so that an adjacent parcel would also be responsible for the total. So if you are on the subject parcel and you're looking at your separation to a neighboring parcel, that that neighboring parcel, if they were to redevelop, would also have to provide some separation. So within the parcel, there's nobody else negotiating that separation. So if there are two towers, you would want the total. Between other parcels, there would be another development that would have to also give some separation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8812.345, "end": 8816.825, "text": "So you walk 24 meters basically everywhere. It's just that half of it comes from one parcel or the other." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8820.905, "end": 8823.505, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8834.345, "end": 8841.565, "text": "Seeing none, thank you so much, Ms. Ball, for the past three items. If the applicant can please come forward, we will have questions from Commission." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8859.445, "end": 8860.765, "text": "Afternoon, Brian Horton with O2." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8861.165, "end": 8863.185, "text": "Thank you for being here today. Uh Commissioner Beckler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8863.565, "end": 8874.125, "text": "Thank you. Uh thanks for being here, Mr. Horton. Quick question for you in terms of just trying to understand staff had identified that five. Um five was your request to apply for, or that was what staff came up with?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8874.385, "end": 8878.465, "text": "Yeah, we we applied for five as the base. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8879.005, "end": 8891.285, "text": "and then working with with administration through the process, we were working on the the bonus thing. Five is the typical base FAR in the downtown and belt line. So we are we're we're happy with that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8891.525, "end": 8893.965, "text": "With the opportunity to negotiate, would you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8894.185, "end": 8894.805, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8895.525, "end": 8898.825, "text": "Have chosen something higher if you intended to carry out if you intended to go higher." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8900.625, "end": 8913.805, "text": "Realistically, no. There's a scenario for this development where our client is is doing you know the the direction they're going is is for a project that is actually under five FAR." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8914.205, "end": 8918.805, "text": "So they were happy, you know, because they're actually" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8919.025, "end": 8921.425, "text": "they they most likely won't need to bonus." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8921.765, "end": 8921.925, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8921.925, "end": 8935.325, "text": "Um so in this case they were they were fine with using five as the base, so long as there was no bonusing required to get to that five. So removing those uh requirements for plus fifteen, et cetera, was was is important to them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8935.565, "end": 8948.725, "text": "So five felt consistent with what's allowed and it allowed them to do what they what they wanted to do. Um if I might be as bold as to ask, um they're gonna probably do less than five, uh not go for bonus" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8949.345, "end": 8951.445, "text": "site constraints or market" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8951.445, "end": 8956.505, "text": "Uh right now m market. So yeah, just uh the bill form that they're pursuing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8957.665, "end": 8960.365, "text": "and they're and they know we're in a housing crisis. They know about that one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8960.925, "end": 8962.665, "text": "Okay, all right, appreciate that. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8962.705, "end": 8962.985, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8964.105, "end": 8966.505, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions for the applicant on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8974.805, "end": 8986.185, "text": "Seeing none, thank you so much for being here today. Before I ask for a mover, can I just get unanimous I do need a break, so can I get unanimous consent to start the break after this item is concluded and shorten it to ten minutes? Is that okay with everyone?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8986.845, "end": 8990.365, "text": "Okay. We have unanimous consent for that. And Commissioner Beckler to move." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8990.745, "end": 9001.425, "text": "Thank you so much. I'll I'll support this. Thanks for the presentation and then the explanation as to how we arrived at at five. And apologies for the dig about a housing crisis within a few meters of a uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9001.665, "end": 9007.685, "text": "several platforms for transit. Um but it's nice to see this vacant lot being developed, so I will support it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9008.765, "end": 9010.045, "text": "Thank you. Any debate on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9017.405, "end": 9019.485, "text": "Seeing none back to Commissioner Beckler to close, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9019.605, "end": 9020.205, "text": "Well let's close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9020.425, "end": 9022.145, "text": "Thank you. Clerks, would you please bring up the evote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9038.025, "end": 9039.445, "text": "And Commissioner Wagner, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9041.205, "end": 9041.745, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9042.665, "end": 9043.845, "text": "All right, Gerald, the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9044.305, "end": 9045.425, "text": "Thank you. Please display the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9046.665, "end": 9048.265, "text": "And that is carried seven to zero." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9048.765, "end": 9051.945, "text": "We will go on recess for ten minutes and we will return at 3 15." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9696.605, "end": 9702.385, "text": "Uh welcome back to uh planning commission. Uh clerks, would you please conduct a roll call?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9702.945, "end": 9704.845, "text": "Yes, Chair. Uh Commissioner Beckler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9706.525, "end": 9707.685, "text": "Commissioner Campbell Walters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9708.885, "end": 9709.865, "text": "Commissioner Damiani." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9711.265, "end": 9712.065, "text": "Commissioner Hardwick." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9712.465, "end": 9712.765, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9713.145, "end": 9713.925, "text": "Commissioner Harleck." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9714.285, "end": 9714.545, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9715.205, "end": 9716.025, "text": "Commissioner Montgomery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9716.525, "end": 9716.825, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9717.365, "end": 9718.025, "text": "Commissioner Pink." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9719.645, "end": 9720.485, "text": "Commissioner Remtula." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9721.885, "end": 9722.605, "text": "Commissioner Small." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9723.045, "end": 9723.325, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9724.005, "end": 9724.645, "text": "Commissioner Wagner." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9724.965, "end": 9725.285, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9726.345, "end": 9727.005, "text": "Director Mahler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 9727.205, "end": 9727.465, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9728.305, "end": 9729.085, "text": "And Manager Lee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9729.405, "end": 9729.925, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 9730.185, "end": 9730.765, "text": "We have quorum." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9730.925, "end": 9740.265, "text": "Thank you very much. We'll go on to item 7.2.9. This is land use amendment in Burns Industrial Board 9. Ms. Modak, when you're ready, please commence your presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9749.465, "end": 9750.605, "text": "Apologies is still not on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9753.385, "end": 9753.785, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9756.385, "end": 9762.225, "text": "Good afternoon, Chair and Commission members. My name is Asavri Modak presenting this item. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9763.425, "end": 9774.345, "text": "The proposal is for a land use amendment to redesignate the subject site to a direct control district to allow for the additional uses of a small and a medium place of worship. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9776.325, "end": 9782.265, "text": "The subject site is located in the southeast quadrant of the city to the west of Deerford Trail southeast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9782.605, "end": 9785.465, "text": "Glenmore Trail is located to the south of the parcel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9785.945, "end": 9789.865, "text": "And Blackfoot Trail is located to the west of the parcel. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9791.305, "end": 9798.605, "text": "The site is approximately 0.62 hectares in size and has two vehicular accesses from 12th Street Southeast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9799.425, "end": 9805.205, "text": "It currently contains a single building with two distinct components a north portion and a south portion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9806.025, "end": 9813.745, "text": "The nearest bus stop is located to the west of the site along 11th Street Southeast and is approximately a 4 minute walk from the site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9814.205, "end": 9815.245, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9816.645, "end": 9820.785, "text": "This is a view of the site from 12th Street Southeast. Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9822.725, "end": 9829.445, "text": "This is also a view of the site from 12th Street Southeast looking towards the southern portion of the building. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9830.845, "end": 9837.725, "text": "Surrounding development to the west of the subject site is designated as Industrial General District and Industrial Business District." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9838.465, "end": 9843.985, "text": "Parcels to the north and south of the subject site are designated as Industrial Commercial District." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9844.145, "end": 9845.205, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9846.885, "end": 9855.385, "text": "The existing industrial commercial district is intended for small scale commercial uses and are compatible with light industrial activities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9856.145, "end": 9864.345, "text": "The existing district allows for a maximum floor area ratio of 1 and a maximum building height of 12 meters. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9866.025, "end": 9874.785, "text": "The proposed DC district is based on the existing IC district with the additional uses of place of worship small and place of worship medium." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9875.525, "end": 9881.165, "text": "The proposed DC district maintains all the uses and regulations of the base IC district." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9881.465, "end": 9882.465, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9884.185, "end": 9892.525, "text": "Based on the information provided in the report and those presented today, administration recommends approval of the proposal and are available to answer questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9893.105, "end": 9902.105, "text": "In addition, the applicant is also available online and the pastor associated with the place of worship is available in person if there is any questions for him. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9902.845, "end": 9904.365, "text": "Thank you very much for the presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9904.665, "end": 9907.425, "text": "Commissioners, do we have any questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9913.985, "end": 9914.665, "text": "Commissioner Beckler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9916.965, "end": 9928.305, "text": "Uh thanks for the presentation. Obviously, um kind of a similar question to earlier, but I will ask it of you as well. This is an industrial area. We like to protect our industrial lands. Um this is not a traditional industrial." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9928.505, "end": 9937.225, "text": "Use. So just as how do we how do we address that from a policy perspective and any future policies that would allow us to find the appropriate places for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9937.485, "end": 9938.925, "text": "this type of site?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9939.705, "end": 9951.225, "text": "Thank you for the question. So, as you may be aware, that there is an MDP policy that discourages places of worship in industrial areas. But it's important to note that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 9951.905, "end": 10000.225, "text": "Even though it discourages places of worship, it does not prohibit them. So for the purposes of this application, we looked at this specific site and administration found that adding on a place of worship is appropriate because the specific proposal retains the existing IC district as the base district, which ensures that the site preserves the full range of industrial uses that are currently allowed on the site. And this approach also supports long-term flexibility to return to the site's primary industrial function while allowing for a modestly sized place of worship. Secondly, the business also has been operating on the site in the northern portion, and there haven't been any complaints received. So we believe it is appropriate to have place of worship added on through a DCUs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 10001.525, "end": 10002.065, "text": "Great answer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 10002.305, "end": 10003.605, "text": "Okay, thanks for that. Appreciate it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 10004.605, "end": 10005.825, "text": "Thank you. Commissioner Harleck." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10007.145, "end": 10007.565, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10008.325, "end": 10012.825, "text": "we want to make sure that this can return to industrial uses in the future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10013.765, "end": 10014.225, "text": "Right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10015.965, "end": 10024.485, "text": "That that's what I just heard. Um sometimes in direct control districts, there's a a comment in there about um or a requirement that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10024.765, "end": 10029.005, "text": "that is an acceptable discretionary use in the existing building." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10029.705, "end": 10032.005, "text": "And that's not included in this direct control district." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10032.825, "end": 10033.645, "text": "I'll admit" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10033.825, "end": 10038.165, "text": "personally I'm not always a fan of how that line is a use is used, but this might be a case for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10038.505, "end": 10039.545, "text": "where that could be applied." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10040.205, "end": 10044.345, "text": "Um was there any talk about doing that? Do you know what the applicant's plans are for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10045.125, "end": 10046.225, "text": "this site?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 10046.665, "end": 10046.925, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 10047.405, "end": 10086.585, "text": "Through the chair, thank you for the question. I believe the applicant's plans are to relocate into the southern portion of the building, into the existing building. But the DC itself, the place of worship was not restricted to the existing building in order to provide that flexibility for any sort of future additions or changes to the building or construction of a new building if that's needed. And administration is comfortable with this approach because it considers the use appropriate, whether it remains in the existing structure or if it's accommodated, accommodated through a new or a modified building, too. And the application itself assessed the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 10086.805, "end": 10098.285, "text": "place of worship on the particular um site and we found it appropriate to be on the site um even if it's not limited to the specific building configuration that's on site currently." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10098.665, "end": 10099.025, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10099.825, "end": 10104.725, "text": "Um I guess the municipal development plan considers this standard industrial area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10107.005, "end": 10107.485, "text": "I don't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10108.005, "end": 10109.765, "text": "I'm not sure how to ask this, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10110.665, "end": 10113.125, "text": "is this really in how industrial is this area?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10115.345, "end": 10120.285, "text": "Is there much l light industrial work being done? Is there much manufacturing happening?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 10120.745, "end": 10124.485, "text": "Right. So we could actually go to the existing land users site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 10126.245, "end": 10128.425, "text": "That should be slide seven." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 10132.085, "end": 10160.465, "text": "So currently to the north and south of the building, it's uh industrial commercial uses. So those are mainly focused on light industrial activities alongside some commercial industrial activities. But to the west um it's the industrial general district which focuses on more intensive industrial general uses. Um and I'd like to note that the IG district actually also allows for a place of worship large to exist within it. So it's not completely unheard of." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 10161.105, "end": 10162.745, "text": "Um does that answer the question?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 10162.885, "end": 10167.405, "text": "Actually while we're at it, are there other places of worship? Or where is the closest place?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 10167.405, "end": 10175.865, "text": "Um so at the time of writing the report, the nearest places place of worship was about um 800 meters away from this site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10177.065, "end": 10177.385, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10178.865, "end": 10181.625, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10189.665, "end": 10192.585, "text": "Seeing none, are there any questions for the applicant on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10200.085, "end": 10202.505, "text": "Also seeing none, can I please get a mover for the item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10204.705, "end": 10206.045, "text": "Uh Commissioner Campbell Walters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10206.525, "end": 10216.305, "text": "Thank you, Chair. I'm happy to move this item. It introduces a small-scale use within an existing industrial building without affecting the broader function in the area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10216.645, "end": 10227.225, "text": "And while the policy generally discourages this use in the industrial areas, the scale, timing, and shared nature of the use is incompatible, it's very compatible in this case." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10237.105, "end": 10238.885, "text": "Thank you. Commissioner Small to debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 10240.385, "end": 10267.865, "text": "Thank you. I'll also support although this area is in the standard industrial designation in the MDP. I would hardly classify this area though as being standard industrial on the ground. It is already a mix of commercial, industrial, and other types of uses, and therefore I don't see this use uh creating a conflict. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10269.465, "end": 10270.925, "text": "Thank you, Commissioner Harlick." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10272.145, "end": 10277.885, "text": "I'll also support it. I think there's something to be said for um using the rest of the neighborhood" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10278.665, "end": 10279.525, "text": "on the day when" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10279.785, "end": 10281.685, "text": "there's probably less work happening in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10281.865, "end": 10283.065, "text": "the industrial area" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10283.605, "end": 10286.425, "text": "or the commercial area or whatever we're calling this part of town." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10286.925, "end": 10287.085, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10287.885, "end": 10290.605, "text": "and if there's spillover parking, I'm sure the streets can handle it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10293.185, "end": 10295.145, "text": "Thank you. Any other debates on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10301.225, "end": 10303.985, "text": "Seeing none, back to Commissioner Campbell Walters to close, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10304.125, "end": 10304.645, "text": "Close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10305.205, "end": 10306.865, "text": "Thank you, clerks. Would you please open the e-vote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 10322.785, "end": 10324.205, "text": "Commissioner Montgomery, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 10327.445, "end": 10327.865, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 10328.285, "end": 10329.745, "text": "And Commissioner Wagner, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 10330.545, "end": 10331.085, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 10332.545, "end": 10333.525, "text": "All right, Chair, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10333.805, "end": 10334.865, "text": "Thank you. Please display the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10336.705, "end": 10338.505, "text": "And the motion is carried 8 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10339.305, "end": 10344.425, "text": "We'll go on to item 7.2.10. This is land use amendment in Maple Ridge Ward 11." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10345.085, "end": 10347.845, "text": "Uh Mr. Lum, when you're ready, please commence your presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10350.305, "end": 10350.745, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10352.685, "end": 10357.485, "text": "Good afternoon, Chair and Commission members. My name is Wallace Learning, presenting this next item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10357.845, "end": 10358.625, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10359.925, "end": 10365.925, "text": "The proposals for a land use amendment would designate the subject site from a special purpose urban nature S UN district" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10366.305, "end": 10370.725, "text": "to a direct control DC district to accommodate the additional use of a storage yard." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10371.205, "end": 10372.005, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10373.085, "end": 10377.645, "text": "Subject site is located in the southeast community of Maple Ridge. The site is situated between" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10377.845, "end": 10380.405, "text": "Bull River to the east and Deerford Trail to the west." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10380.925, "end": 10387.225, "text": "And the site is located on 15th Street, which is access from Southland Drive and Deerford Trail Interchange." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10387.625, "end": 10388.425, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10389.485, "end": 10395.385, "text": "The site is approximately 3.1 hectares in size, and vehicle access is currently available from 15th Street." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10396.125, "end": 10400.985, "text": "This is a privately owned parcel, and the site was previously occupied by a driving range." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10401.245, "end": 10402.365, "text": "In 2016," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10402.525, "end": 10405.465, "text": "the site was acquired by Remington Development Corporation," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10405.965, "end": 10407.985, "text": "and the site has been undeveloped since." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10408.365, "end": 10414.425, "text": "The proposal would allow for the site to store outdoor materials in the interim prior to future development. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10415.825, "end": 10418.065, "text": "This is the view of the site from 15th Street." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10418.865, "end": 10419.645, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10420.505, "end": 10422.745, "text": "This is the view of the site from Sioux Hagen's Park." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10422.885, "end": 10423.705, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10424.865, "end": 10432.665, "text": "Surrounding lands are designated as Special Purpose Urban Nature District to the north and east and special purpose future urban development district to the south." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10433.285, "end": 10437.085, "text": "Siouxhagen's Offlee Stark Park is located to the north," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10437.225, "end": 10442.265, "text": "and its existing industrial development is located to the south. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10443.685, "end": 10453.125, "text": "The existing SUN district is intended to preserve the existing characteristics of natural areas and provide for natural landforms, vegetation, and wetlands." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10453.685, "end": 10457.485, "text": "Through the application review, a biophysical impact assessment was provided" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10457.665, "end": 10461.065, "text": "and it was confirmed that the wetland was infilled in the late 80s" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10461.345, "end": 10465.005, "text": "and that there are no environmental reserve qualifying features on site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10467.865, "end": 10473.685, "text": "The proposed DC district is based on the SWAT district with the additional discretionary use of a storage yard." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10474.365, "end": 10479.145, "text": "The STAT district is intended for lands that are waiting for future urban development and servicing," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10479.465, "end": 10483.925, "text": "and allows for a limited range of uses that can easily be removed prior to future development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10484.605, "end": 10490.505, "text": "The DC district includes screening and setback requirements to provide an appropriate interface with adjacent lands." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10490.945, "end": 10491.685, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10493.625, "end": 10498.485, "text": "The Heritage Community's Local Real Plan identifies this area as a comprehensive planning site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10499.225, "end": 10504.085, "text": "The LAP does not prescribe an urban form category or building scale for this area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10504.445, "end": 10509.085, "text": "And does allow for smaller scale redevelopment in advance of comprehensive development plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10509.525, "end": 10510.325, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10511.445, "end": 10516.985, "text": "In closing, the proposal is in keeping with relevant city policies and provides opportunity for interim use" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10517.225, "end": 10518.685, "text": "prior to future redevelopment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10519.205, "end": 10522.185, "text": "Based on information provided in the report and those presented today," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10522.525, "end": 10526.205, "text": "administration recommends approval and is available to answer questions. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10527.045, "end": 10528.485, "text": "Thank you very much for the presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10528.725, "end": 10531.885, "text": "Commissioners, do we have any questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10534.045, "end": 10534.665, "text": "Commissioner Small." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 10536.525, "end": 10550.825, "text": "Thank you. You mentioned this being an interim use. Was there consideration of then having a DP requiring renewal every, say, three or five years in the DC?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10551.745, "end": 10606.545, "text": "Thank you for the questions. Yes, that have been considered. For this particular situation, this is not quite like a future greenfield SFA district where we would have sites that we know are gonna get redeveloped and growth where the future infrastructure and roads will be required. This is more a site that is already been established for the most part. It's just been vacant. Therefore, the applicant did provide their commitments and submitted a development permit application that is currently for review right now. So they do have a temporary use that's in place. And lastly, the ASFA district is intended for temporary interim use. So being this as a discretionary use, we do have the ability as a discretion to apply temporary terms. As a result, we didn't feel we want to place that additional restrict on the developer for this application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 10607.925, "end": 10610.445, "text": "Um, given that approach," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 10610.665, "end": 10612.925, "text": "why not just give them IG?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 10613.945, "end": 10621.285, "text": "Given that the area was previously basically IG or even IH, you could argue. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 10622.845, "end": 10628.345, "text": "so realistically, I would uh say that would also have been appropriate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10629.205, "end": 10648.565, "text": "Uh yeah, thank you for the question. Uh that was also considered uh as noted in the presentation and in the report. This site is planned for a future comprehensive area and therefore uh we don't want to prematurely change land too much. Um this site does not have servicing also uh rather than just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10648.925, "end": 10658.545, "text": "Prematurely putting a stock land use district on the site. We felt that it is more appropriate for the site to continue to function as a storage yard." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10659.105, "end": 10666.825, "text": "And the APCON is pretty confident that they only needed the storage yard use and they don't have any intentions to other" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10667.165, "end": 10677.325, "text": "industrial type of use. And they do have intention to redevelop this site into a mixed use, but they're just not quite there at the moment. So we felt comfortable with the DC S FOD approach." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10678.425, "end": 10678.805, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10681.345, "end": 10682.785, "text": "Uh Commissioner Campbells." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10683.805, "end": 10685.525, "text": "Thank you, Chair. And thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10685.745, "end": 10691.485, "text": "I'm not sure if you mentioned this, but I don't think I get it. So I'm gonna ask again" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10691.745, "end": 10693.105, "text": "can you speak why" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10694.045, "end": 10696.825, "text": "we're redesignating from sun" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10697.985, "end": 10701.865, "text": "is appropriate in this case? And are we not undermining" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10702.245, "end": 10704.545, "text": "the intent of protecting natural areas?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10705.005, "end": 10725.085, "text": "Yes, um so in short the special purpose district currently um is for natural reserve and it had been like that for a long time. Uh the site was owned by the city of Calgary for a long time and it was used mostly as um a golf course in the early 90s." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10725.225, "end": 10733.265, "text": "Uh since that time, I think it's pretty much the land has been changed. There's no any wetlands on site from what we can see." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10733.605, "end": 10735.205, "text": "And therefore," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10735.725, "end": 10757.585, "text": "it's not really appropriate to call this as a like a natural reserve area. So rather uh since the applicant and the developer purchased this land, we've determined that this is basically a vacant site that can be used for redevelopment in the future. And the storage yard is not a listed use in the current SUN district." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10757.745, "end": 10760.285, "text": "Therefore, a land use amendment is required." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10760.345, "end": 10761.405, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 10762.085, "end": 10762.785, "text": "Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10764.485, "end": 10765.625, "text": "Thank you, Commissioner Harlick." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10767.125, "end": 10768.445, "text": "Um let's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10768.965, "end": 10770.245, "text": "can we go to slide three?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10770.985, "end": 10773.045, "text": "And talk about the direct control district." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10773.245, "end": 10777.385, "text": "The both the setback area and the screening area and the screening rules" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10779.005, "end": 10781.105, "text": "talk about when they're close to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10782.365, "end": 10788.385, "text": "shares a property line with a lane, an LRT corridor, or a street, or in the other or in screening, it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10789.545, "end": 10794.565, "text": "um must be screened from view of an adjacent expressway, major street, LRT corridor, or regional pathway." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10795.525, "end": 10796.765, "text": "Where's the LRT corridor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10797.445, "end": 10802.685, "text": "Yeah, good question. So I would say first of all, this is a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 10803.185, "end": 10827.165, "text": "district rule that we borrow from the some of the other districts that we have in the city. And the intent to put that rule is to make sure there's appropriate screening. We want to be consistent in our language with the Linux bylaw. Therefore, we just kept most of those languages just for consistency. But the the intent is there of the rules to maintain their screening provided for the site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10827.345, "end": 10834.845, "text": "Okay. So really lane street, adjacent expressway, major street. Those are the things that are actually governing what's going on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10835.365, "end": 10835.805, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 10837.425, "end": 10839.025, "text": "yeah, that's it. That's it for me. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10840.865, "end": 10843.045, "text": "Any other questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10852.045, "end": 10854.705, "text": "Okay, seeing none. Any questions for the applicant on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10864.005, "end": 10866.965, "text": "Also seeing none, uh Commissioner Small to move." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 10869.305, "end": 10888.465, "text": "Thank you. I'll move this item and support it. We heard from administration provide the rationale why they've decided to take the approach they have in discussion and cooperation with the applicant. And for those reasons, I hope everyone supports it. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10889.445, "end": 10891.145, "text": "Thank you, Commissioner Beckler, to debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 10891.765, "end": 10900.145, "text": "Appreciate that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10905.465, "end": 10906.965, "text": "Thank you. Any other debate on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10916.905, "end": 10918.905, "text": "Okay, back to Commissioner Small to close, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 10919.525, "end": 10919.985, "text": "Close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10920.565, "end": 10922.125, "text": "Thank you, clerks. Would you please bring up the e vote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 10932.045, "end": 10933.125, "text": "Commissioner Wagner, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 10933.345, "end": 10933.885, "text": "Close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 10938.885, "end": 10939.745, "text": "All right, Chair, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10940.205, "end": 10941.165, "text": "Thank you. Please display the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10943.325, "end": 10945.225, "text": "And that is carried 8 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10945.705, "end": 10948.705, "text": "As 7 11 was on consent. We'll go to 7 12." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10949.405, "end": 10954.565, "text": "This is Land Use Amendment in Mahogany. Word 12 at multiple addresses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10955.525, "end": 10959.325, "text": "LOC2025-0180." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10960.365, "end": 10962.825, "text": "Mr. Green, when you are ready, please commence your presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 10965.625, "end": 10966.285, "text": "Yep, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 10966.665, "end": 10972.585, "text": "Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, Commissioners. Uh my name is Jack Green, and I'm here to introduce the application LLC twenty twenty-five" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 10973.045, "end": 10974.825, "text": "zero one eight zero for your consideration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 10975.785, "end": 10976.965, "text": "Uh next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 10978.025, "end": 10989.045, "text": "Uh this is a recommend this is um an application on a land use amendment. The report recommends that Calgary Planet Commission give three readings to proposed bylaw to redesignate the subject site for multi residential," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 10989.465, "end": 10990.385, "text": "low profile" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 10991.025, "end": 11000.025, "text": "with a modifier of uh seven uh density 75 dwellings per hectare district to direct control district um to mixed use." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11000.865, "end": 11008.125, "text": "So a mixed-use general district with an FAR of 3.5 and a maximum building height of 26 meters. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11009.885, "end": 11016.505, "text": "The site is located in the developing community of Mahogany. The site comprises three adjacent parcels in the south of the community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11017.505, "end": 11018.485, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11020.485, "end": 11037.345, "text": "The total site area is 6.96 hectares. The smallest parcel at 1.49 hectares is located north of Mahogany Boulevard Southeast. And the two larger parcels, 2.66 and 2.81 hectares, respectively, are located south of Mahogany Boulevard Southeast, along Mercado Street Southeast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11038.045, "end": 11044.545, "text": "Much of the intermediate surrounding areas character is currently under construction for low density residential uses. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11047.065, "end": 11053.785, "text": "These photos are of the parcel located on the north side Mahogany Boulevard Southeast, looking north, sorry, looking south and north respectively." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11054.745, "end": 11055.645, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11056.785, "end": 11060.045, "text": "Photos of the parcels located south Mahogany Boulevard Southeast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11060.605, "end": 11064.045, "text": "The left images of the west parcel looking eastward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11064.485, "end": 11066.885, "text": "And on the right is the east parcel looking northward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11067.585, "end": 11068.485, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11070.825, "end": 11078.365, "text": "The parcel located north of Mahogany Boulevard Southeast is a direct control district that is intended to preserve and enhance the existing historic ranch" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11078.805, "end": 11081.585, "text": "and support development that is complementary to this use." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11081.985, "end": 11089.645, "text": "On the east side is an area that has been set aside for a school and it's designated a special purpose school park community reserve SPR district." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11091.125, "end": 11098.565, "text": "For the parcel south Mahogany Boulevard Southeast, between these two parcels is a narrow strip of land designated as SSPR." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11099.185, "end": 11113.225, "text": "Areas east and west are characterized by low density residential development, including residential, low density mixed housing RG District, and multi residential at grade housing MG District. South of the site is designated as Commercial Community 1 CC1 district." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11114.445, "end": 11115.245, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11117.705, "end": 11124.185, "text": "The north parcel is designated as multi residential, low profile district with a modifier of 75 dwellings per hectare." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11124.545, "end": 11126.905, "text": "This allows for a maximum building height of 14 meters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11128.185, "end": 11132.385, "text": "The two parcels, South Mahogany Boulevard Southeast, are focused on Mercados Street Southeast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11133.005, "end": 11135.725, "text": "These are designated as direct control district based on the rules" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11136.065, "end": 11137.305, "text": "of Commercial Corridor One" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11137.705, "end": 11140.425, "text": "District." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11141.405, "end": 11142.885, "text": "Sorry, apologies, that's C C One." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11143.325, "end": 11147.345, "text": "And this allows for a mix of commercial and residential uses with a building height of up to 15 meters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11147.765, "end": 11153.265, "text": "Sorry, apologies. The existing use there on the is uh Commercial Corridor One, just C Cor I." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11154.685, "end": 11155.545, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11156.905, "end": 11170.305, "text": "The proposed use, all three parcels are proposed to the mixed use general, that's MU1, with a floor area 3.5, sorry, a floor area ratio of 3.5 and a maximum building height of 26 meters. That's approximately six stories." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11171.265, "end": 11172.085, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11173.705, "end": 11185.805, "text": "Mahogany Community Plan, this is the area structured plan for the area. The site is located within an area designated as the village area. This is intended to accommodate a mix of transport supportive uses that are sensitive to the existing context." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11186.225, "end": 11196.025, "text": "The parcel north of Mahogany Boulevard Southeast is located within the historic area, or an area designated as the historic area, and is a joint and is adjacent a joint use site that's designated for a school." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11197.625, "end": 11207.985, "text": "The parcels south of Mahogany Boulevard Southeast are within an area designated as a transition area and located along a neighborhood corridor that is Mercado Street Southeast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11211.625, "end": 11215.605, "text": "And just overall, the application has been determined to be consistent with the community plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11216.985, "end": 11223.865, "text": "In response to the application, approximately 95 responses were received from the community raising a variety of issues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11224.025, "end": 11229.005, "text": "The applicant has also undertaken some engagement with the community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11229.785, "end": 11230.625, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11232.365, "end": 11235.845, "text": "Administration has reviewed this application for the reasons set it in this report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11235.985, "end": 11241.785, "text": "Recommends approval. The applicant is in attendance. Should you have any questions? Administration is happy to answer any questions you may have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11242.945, "end": 11244.485, "text": "Thank you very much for the presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11244.625, "end": 11247.585, "text": "Commissioners, do we have any questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11254.425, "end": 11255.045, "text": "Commissioner Hardwick." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11256.205, "end": 11256.565, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11256.965, "end": 11257.425, "text": "Um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11258.465, "end": 11260.345, "text": "so the community plan, this is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11260.625, "end": 11261.205, "text": "there is a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11261.505, "end": 11262.765, "text": "historic ranch there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11264.065, "end": 11265.625, "text": "Does the land use district," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11266.065, "end": 11266.385, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11266.885, "end": 11267.665, "text": "as proposed," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11268.565, "end": 11270.965, "text": "offer any thoughts on how that transitions works or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11271.205, "end": 11273.465, "text": "does the community plan have any policy that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11274.045, "end": 11275.245, "text": "connects that? I'm just thinking" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11275.705, "end": 11277.005, "text": "that there could be some design" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11277.325, "end": 11278.785, "text": "questions there, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11279.725, "end": 11280.965, "text": "I'm just wondering if the policy" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11281.385, "end": 11281.785, "text": "is any thoughts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11282.305, "end": 11291.405, "text": "The existing heritage, I guess the historic ranch. Um it does have existing farm or commercial structures on it that have been used to ask that are quite significant. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11291.985, "end": 11296.365, "text": "the allowance of a mixed use development would be six stories. Um I guess it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11296.645, "end": 11305.145, "text": "It benefits from the outlook of what would be going forward on that historic ranch should be developed. There is policies within the community plan that they seek to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11305.985, "end": 11307.665, "text": "support and enhance" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11308.405, "end": 11318.425, "text": "the value of that historic site. They do f support development of the site where it's kind of in keeping with that. So there's there's development not prohibit on that. What the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11319.125, "end": 11327.145, "text": "the development aspirations are for that, I can't comment on that. Um but the the transition to that to six stories." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11327.825, "end": 11335.325, "text": "With the existing structure, it does relate to and offers a transition to the low rise residential development that's further west on the other side of the historic ranch." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11335.745, "end": 11336.045, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11337.125, "end": 11338.165, "text": "Brackets it in that way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11338.665, "end": 11340.345, "text": "Um, can you expand on the opposition?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11340.525, "end": 11341.465, "text": "There's a fair amount of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11341.705, "end": 11343.265, "text": "Do we know where it's coming from? Do we know" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11344.005, "end": 11344.225, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11344.405, "end": 11344.825, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11345.145, "end": 11346.225, "text": "Yeah, sure. The um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11347.005, "end": 11349.885, "text": "there's quite a bit of response to this application. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11351.905, "end": 11355.545, "text": "I think most of it looks appears to come from the adjoining," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11355.845, "end": 11360.165, "text": "I guess the existing community of Mahogany, the area that's been built out in the past 15, 20 years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11360.545, "end": 11361.085, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11361.865, "end": 11362.685, "text": "the they've" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11363.725, "end": 11368.225, "text": "I guess the concerns that have been uh the concerns have been raised are the impact of neighborhood character." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11368.505, "end": 11371.965, "text": "'Cause much of it today is being developed as being low low density residential." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11372.665, "end": 11373.265, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11374.005, "end": 11377.045, "text": "there's there's concerns with traffic, congestion and parking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11377.425, "end": 11378.125, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11379.005, "end": 11381.385, "text": "I guess citing that the the density is high for that area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11381.685, "end": 11382.345, "text": "And also there," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11382.905, "end": 11385.925, "text": "I guess when you're looking at the uh the the low density nature of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11386.145, "end": 11394.345, "text": "the area, what two stories, maybe three, um what what's the uh what's the impact on sight lines and views and that side of things is also" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11394.665, "end": 11397.385, "text": "I guess supplementary to much of that is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11398.005, "end": 11408.705, "text": "There's there's quite a few uh community facilities in that area, recreational facilities, and sort of asking about how is the uh infrastructure being addressed and the additional pressure on those resources as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11410.305, "end": 11411.225, "text": "But the change" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11411.405, "end": 11412.045, "text": "is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11412.345, "end": 11415.465, "text": "basically from four stories to six stories, if I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11415.725, "end": 11417.045, "text": "understanding the application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11417.205, "end": 11417.865, "text": "That is correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11417.905, "end": 11418.165, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 11419.425, "end": 11421.045, "text": "Thanks. You have answered all my questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11422.525, "end": 11424.065, "text": "Thank you. Commissioner Campbell Walters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11424.665, "end": 11426.505, "text": "Thank you, Chair, and thank you, Mr. Green." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11426.725, "end": 11428.965, "text": "My question, probably similar, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11429.245, "end": 11431.705, "text": "it relates to the proposed intensity" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11432.685, "end": 11434.305, "text": "and how it aligns with the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11434.805, "end": 11436.445, "text": "mahogany village area" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11437.005, "end": 11443.205, "text": "and whether this represented the intended scale of the community core. I think it did mention that it's um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11443.825, "end": 11446.045, "text": "it delivers the original community vision" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11446.665, "end": 11447.705, "text": "in the report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11448.465, "end": 11450.485, "text": "So could you kind of just speak to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11450.705, "end": 11455.805, "text": "how this intensity does align with this overall village core concept?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11456.005, "end": 11457.165, "text": "Yeah, sure. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11457.685, "end": 11465.685, "text": "I guess when looking at the site as a whole, the village as a whole, um so this proposal is for mixed use, which would be residential and commercial retail." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11466.085, "end": 11466.685, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11467.325, "end": 11471.705, "text": "being located along the neighborhood corridor, we'd be expecting to see." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11471.865, "end": 11480.285, "text": "Retail and commercial uses lying that so it has a good public uh public interface as well as uh that area supportive of multi-residential development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11480.725, "end": 11481.405, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11482.625, "end": 11483.905, "text": "south of the site," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11484.605, "end": 11488.965, "text": "outside of this application, is uh CC1 district," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11489.545, "end": 11491.125, "text": "um, which is also" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11491.725, "end": 11495.605, "text": "for commercial development, and that's going to contribute towards the commer that area being a commercial hub." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11496.205, "end": 11498.245, "text": "So it is looking to serve that local community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11498.545, "end": 11502.385, "text": "So it is consistent with that, it's a slightly different offer that would come forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11502.525, "end": 11503.725, "text": "And on the north side," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11504.325, "end": 11506.325, "text": "where it goes into the the historic" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11506.605, "end": 11509.105, "text": "uh rant the the historic area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11509.885, "end": 11510.505, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11511.505, "end": 11513.785, "text": "the community plan is supportive of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11514.325, "end": 11528.725, "text": "uh commercial development there, where it's complementary to the historic ranch and also is kind of like an endpoint to that neighborhood corridor where that retail and commercial is provided. So as one, it should be a mix of uses that supports the community and this application contributes towards that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11528.925, "end": 11530.585, "text": "Okay, thank you so much for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 11530.885, "end": 11531.645, "text": "Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11531.805, "end": 11533.445, "text": "Thank you. Commissioner Hardwick." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 11535.185, "end": 11541.465, "text": "Um the there's a d DC bylaw that required commercial uses along uh Mercado Street Southeast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11542.185, "end": 11542.945, "text": "Sorry, pardon me what was that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 11542.945, "end": 11550.225, "text": "Is that right? The the D C bylaw thirty six D twenty thirteen requires commercial uses along Mercado Street." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11550.425, "end": 11552.345, "text": "It is it it is focused on there, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 11552.345, "end": 11552.565, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11552.565, "end": 11562.845, "text": "Um the the the DC has a height, uh maximum building height of fifteen meters, whereas the twenty-six allows for more flexibility and um to to redevelop that area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 11563.005, "end": 11570.105, "text": "Right, but it requires commercial grade. So there are there c DP conditions in this one that that also that meet that condition?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11570.745, "end": 11573.665, "text": "Uh in terms of the mixed use, so we can't condition the land use." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11574.085, "end": 11576.185, "text": "So that would come forward as it has a development permit" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 11576.405, "end": 11576.605, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 11576.605, "end": 11578.525, "text": "development of it, and that's when we would consider those issues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 11578.685, "end": 11579.425, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11580.865, "end": 11583.205, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions for administration on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11591.905, "end": 11594.965, "text": "All right, seeing none, do we have any questions for the applicant on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11603.005, "end": 11605.165, "text": "Right, also seeing none, can I please get a mover for the item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11612.805, "end": 11613.485, "text": "Commissioner Beckler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 11614.425, "end": 11617.705, "text": "Yeah, I'll move this item and and I'll be supporting it. It looks like a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 11618.245, "end": 11621.085, "text": "great start to uh a nice little village. So thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11621.845, "end": 11623.265, "text": "Thank you. Any debate on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11630.445, "end": 11632.465, "text": "Seeing none, back do Commissioner Beckler to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 11632.645, "end": 11633.105, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11633.565, "end": 11635.225, "text": "Thank you. Clerks, would you please bring up the evotee?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 11648.105, "end": 11650.045, "text": "Commissioner Campbell Walters, your vote please. Oh thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 11650.465, "end": 11651.825, "text": "And Commissioner Wagner, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 11652.745, "end": 11653.245, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 11653.305, "end": 11653.725, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 11654.345, "end": 11655.105, "text": "Chair all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11655.305, "end": 11656.485, "text": "Thank you. Please display the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11657.905, "end": 11659.665, "text": "And that is carried 8 to 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11660.405, "end": 11662.925, "text": "We'll go to the item of urgent business, item 8.1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11663.225, "end": 11666.025, "text": "I believe there is uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11666.945, "end": 11668.365, "text": "two motions that are required." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11668.865, "end": 11670.545, "text": "Uh can I please get" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11670.705, "end": 11673.085, "text": "uh Commissioner Wagner to move the first one?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 11675.225, "end": 11675.925, "text": "Please move." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11676.365, "end": 11676.845, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11678.165, "end": 11679.305, "text": "Any debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11682.965, "end": 11684.605, "text": "Seeing none, can we please bring up the evote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11684.945, "end": 11687.705, "text": "Uh, sorry, back to Commissioner Wagner to close. Do I need her to close?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 11688.985, "end": 11689.685, "text": "Close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11689.745, "end": 11691.665, "text": "Thank you, please bring up the e vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 11701.465, "end": 11702.005, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 11702.985, "end": 11703.745, "text": "Chair all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11704.105, "end": 11705.125, "text": "Thank you, please display the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11706.425, "end": 11707.925, "text": "That motion is carried 8 0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11708.545, "end": 11709.065, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11709.225, "end": 11711.225, "text": "Commissioner Wagner, would you mind moving the second motion, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 11711.505, "end": 11712.205, "text": "Please move." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11713.105, "end": 11713.465, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11714.365, "end": 11716.125, "text": "Any debate on the second motion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11719.265, "end": 11721.285, "text": "Seeing none, back to Commissioner Wagner to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 11721.545, "end": 11722.305, "text": "Please close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11722.785, "end": 11724.345, "text": "Thank you, clerks. Would you please bring up the e vote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 11735.185, "end": 11736.665, "text": "Commissioner Campbell Walters, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 11737.065, "end": 11737.385, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 11737.945, "end": 11738.445, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 11738.605, "end": 11740.565, "text": "And Commissioner Wagner, finally, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 11740.765, "end": 11741.285, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 11741.285, "end": 11742.765, "text": "Thank you. Chair all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11742.885, "end": 11744.125, "text": "Thank you, please display the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11745.965, "end": 11767.285, "text": "And that is carried 8 to 0. So that does bring us to the end of our agenda. Thank you everyone for your time and effort uh effort this afternoon. Before we adjourn, I would like to remind and ask commissioners to please submit your reasons for decision for land use amendments for inclusion in the report to council. The reasons for decisions are very valuable to counselors. Uh Commissioner Small, would you mind moving to adjourn, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 11767.905, "end": 11768.745, "text": "So moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11768.745, "end": 11771.165, "text": "Any opposed? We are adjourned." } ], "num_speakers": 32 }