{ "file": "/tmp/tmpu4t52rzn/e3ffc5f3-c946-4783-9f6b-2d362b9b66cc.mkv", "segments": [ { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1187.045, "end": 1190.045, "text": "Following me in order, Madam Clerk, do a roll call, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1191.325, "end": 1193.225, "text": "Thank you on the roll, Councillor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1193.585, "end": 1193.945, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1194.925, "end": 1195.745, "text": "Counselor McLean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1196.925, "end": 1197.285, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1197.785, "end": 1199.085, "text": "Counselor Panthezopoulos," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1199.705, "end": 1200.565, "text": "Councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1201.525, "end": 1202.385, "text": "Counselor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1203.665, "end": 1204.625, "text": "Counselor Wyness," }, { 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1223.125, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1224.025, "end": 1227.525, "text": "In support of truth and reconciliation, I'd like to do a land acknowledgement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1228.345, "end": 1231.185, "text": "Uh Oki, Ambawastich, Danitada," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1231.565, "end": 1232.225, "text": "Tanshe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1232.905, "end": 1235.665, "text": "Indigenous peoples have their own names for this area" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1236.645, "end": 1239.785, "text": "that have been in use long before settlers name this place Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1240.605, "end": 1243.205, "text": "In the Blackfoot language, it's called Mokinstis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1243.805, "end": 1248.565, "text": "The Yitka Nakota Wiscotabi First Nations referred to this place as Wachispa Oyade." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1248.945, "end": 1251.625, "text": "And the people of the Sutina Nation call it Gutsis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1252.365, "end": 1254.305, "text": "The Metis call the area Otusquani." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1255.065, "end": 1257.305, "text": "We appreciate and acknowledge that we are gathered" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1257.605, "end": 1259.045, "text": "on the ancestral and traditional" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1259.225, "end": 1260.725, "text": "territory of the Blackfoot Nations," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1261.225, "end": 1264.465, "text": "of the Sikhaga, the Bigani, and the Guyani First Nations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1265.005, "end": 1269.305, "text": "The Ithka, Nakota, Wiscotabi First Nations, comprised of the Chinniki, Beraspa," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1269.765, "end": 1272.525, "text": "and Goodstone First Nations, and the Satina First Nations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1273.165, "end": 1276.625, "text": "The city of Calgary is also homeland to the historic Northwest Metis" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1277.085, "end": 1278.585, "text": "and the Otip Mesawak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1279.065, "end": 1279.985, "text": "Metis Government," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1280.125, "end": 1282.045, "text": "Metis Nation Battle River Territory," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1282.525, "end": 1286.585, "text": "Nose Hill Metis District 5, and Elbo Metis District 6." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1287.225, "end": 1291.485, "text": "We acknowledge and give gratitude to the many First Nations, Metis, and Inuit who live here" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1291.985, "end": 1292.905, "text": "and call Calgary home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1293.865, "end": 1295.505, "text": "Before we move on to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1296.425, "end": 1300.005, "text": "confirmation of the agenda, I'd like to turn over to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1300.345, "end": 1301.625, "text": "Council Jameson for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1301.925, "end": 1302.765, "text": "a recognition." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1304.445, "end": 1305.145, "text": "Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1305.745, "end": 1332.125, "text": "Uh today is uh Tim Horton's Send a Kid to Camp Day. Um so any if you purchase one of these bracelets or if you if your morning routine is to buy a coffee in the morning, all proceeds from a coffee and iced coffee go to sending underprivileged kids to summer camp. I think it's a pretty good initiative to help uh a lot of the children in our city. So if you like coffee, if you care about children, go buy coffee. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1333.405, "end": 1334.405, "text": "Thank you, Mike." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1335.325, "end": 1339.245, "text": "I think it's a great initiative and appreciate you making reference to it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1339.885, "end": 1342.305, "text": "Um before I go to um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1343.445, "end": 1346.165, "text": "Councillor Pantasopoulos for an amendment, I'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1346.325, "end": 1348.105, "text": "go to someone else to move the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1348.685, "end": 1349.925, "text": "So, Councilor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1350.785, "end": 1351.665, "text": "Atkinson to move it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1352.205, "end": 1354.705, "text": "Uh and over to you, Councilor Pantasopoulos, for an addition." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 1354.925, "end": 1359.545, "text": "Thank you so much, Mr. Chair. Yeah, I just need to add an item of urgent business. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 1360.385, "end": 1384.785, "text": "last week there was an email from the administration. Uh 8.1 add excuse me, advancing Calgary's infrastructure priorities. Uh, just missed the scribed deadline. Obviously, something very critical to discuss today at IPC as we head into our end of July uh council meeting as we look to prioritize and uh start settling on our capital spins. So ask that the uh committee recognize and add this uh important agenda item as uh uh urgent business. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1384.785, "end": 1386.785, "text": "So, members of committee, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1386.965, "end": 1391.565, "text": "for your reference, the email was sent by Ms. Mr. Vanderputin on uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1391.905, "end": 1396.445, "text": "July the 7th. So if you want to check your inboxes and if you haven't already seen it," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1396.865, "end": 1399.405, "text": "yeah, although it will be added to E scribe if council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1399.625, "end": 1402.965, "text": "Um approves the adding it uh as urgent business." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1405.105, "end": 1410.085, "text": "So uh any debates or questions on that? Um just gonna go to my" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1411.165, "end": 1413.165, "text": "teams here because I don't have it up right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1414.185, "end": 1414.465, "text": "Is it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1417.945, "end": 1418.905, "text": "Counselor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1419.965, "end": 1421.385, "text": "I don't see anybody in the queue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1421.845, "end": 1423.485, "text": "Just got Councilor Pantostopolis to move it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1424.105, "end": 1424.645, "text": "No debate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1427.925, "end": 1428.365, "text": "Oh, there you are." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1428.825, "end": 1429.185, "text": "Go ahead," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1429.505, "end": 1429.945, "text": "Counselor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1430.625, "end": 1435.445, "text": "Anisopoulos? Sorry, uh Counselor. Can you can you uh just give us a brief of what it is? Are you allowed to?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 1436.185, "end": 1499.825, "text": "No, certainly as as counselor or Chair Shabot spoke to, um, this was sort of uh, excuse me, uh the advancing of Calgary priorities back in May, uh IPC we referenced back to administration to come back with the uh 10-year capital asset model, or the recommendations, um, the summary of all the capital spend over the next 10 years, which will then also formulate the um four-year capital spend. So I think this is sort of that critical component to there was an email with the four attachments that actually spoke to the prioritization model. Uh some additions were things like ward-specific information. That was one question that came out of it. Uh also had our capital, uh, our corporate civic partners as well. So I think it was just that continuation from the meeting, the tightening up. Uh as the chair said, that inform in email was sent on uh Tuesday, Wednesday last week, just after the E Scribe deadline. And uh we'll be able to go through that. And I think the critical is really informing that decision on July 28th, 29th when council meets, uh, because this information will then full flow into that maybe not so much the draft budget, but the budget that will be uh presented and discussed on the 27th, 28th of July." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1500.145, "end": 1504.405, "text": "In fact, Councilor Jameson, what some of the things in the reporter, some of the things you asked for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1505.305, "end": 1506.565, "text": "last time he came forward. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1507.005, "end": 1509.425, "text": "Uh Councilor Wynus on the edition." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 1509.725, "end": 1510.965, "text": "Thanks. Uh just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 1511.325, "end": 1525.025, "text": "if we add it to the agenda, can admin please fix the font size on the 10-year capital infrastructure plan tax supported? It is unreadable. Like it's not a good format you guys have chosen to use. So if it goes on, please fix that before we just start discussing it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1525.885, "end": 1529.325, "text": "Yeah, it's kind of hard because of the format and how long the form is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1531.205, "end": 1534.985, "text": "You almost have to print it on extra large paper to if you were gonna print it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1538.285, "end": 1540.665, "text": "Not sure what the solution is because it's such a a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1540.945, "end": 1541.545, "text": "long," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1543.845, "end": 1544.565, "text": "so many line" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1544.805, "end": 1547.605, "text": "lines in it, and that's why it's they had to shrink it to make it fit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1548.225, "end": 1552.665, "text": "Okay, but uh I think point was taken and administration had nodded that they" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1553.305, "end": 1554.905, "text": "they recognize the challenge with uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1555.865, "end": 1556.525, "text": "being able to read it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1558.105, "end": 1561.085, "text": "I did read it and there's some questions I have on it, but that's besides the point." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1561.245, "end": 1563.145, "text": "All right, uh on the uh item" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1563.405, "end": 1567.505, "text": "that's before us, uh not seeing any other RTS. Oh, sorry, Councilor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1568.305, "end": 1571.105, "text": "I was just gonna say, as someone who's missed the eScribe deadline twice," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1571.385, "end": 1572.105, "text": "things happen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 1572.305, "end": 1574.085, "text": "Let's get it in here so we can talk about it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1574.345, "end": 1574.645, "text": "Yeah," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1574.785, "end": 1575.345, "text": "exactly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1576.045, "end": 1576.445, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1577.365, "end": 1579.965, "text": "Uh any further debate? Seeing none, call the question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1580.305, "end": 1581.085, "text": "All in favor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1582.425, "end": 1583.885, "text": "Oh, do we have to go to EScribe for this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1587.785, "end": 1588.245, "text": "Do you have it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1588.505, "end": 1589.365, "text": "set up for E Scribe?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1590.345, "end": 1591.305, "text": "Let's go to E Scribe then." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1599.165, "end": 1600.625, "text": "Counselor Atkinson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1601.405, "end": 1601.805, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1602.485, "end": 1603.905, "text": "Counselor Jameson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 1605.285, "end": 1605.665, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 1606.325, "end": 1607.665, "text": "Thank you. Chair all votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1608.285, "end": 1610.305, "text": "Uh please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1612.885, "end": 1614.425, "text": "And that motion's carried" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1614.925, "end": 1617.585, "text": "eight to zero. Thanks. It's now been added to the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1617.845, "end": 1619.285, "text": "And this would then follow" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1619.845, "end": 1620.905, "text": "the other items, I assume." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1622.165, "end": 1623.005, "text": "7.6." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1624.905, "end": 1626.005, "text": "It will go under eight" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1626.145, "end": 1626.905, "text": "point" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1627.445, "end": 1627.725, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1628.025, "end": 1628.545, "text": "eight point one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1629.225, "end": 1629.905, "text": "Urgent business." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1630.945, "end": 1632.265, "text": "Oh, urgent business 9.3." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 1632.645, "end": 1633.425, "text": "It will follow the order." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1635.445, "end": 1636.125, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1638.405, "end": 1642.565, "text": "And there's no consent agenda items or confirmation of the minutes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1643.965, "end": 1645.305, "text": "Somebody would like to move the minutes?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1646.725, "end": 1647.685, "text": "Council. Sorry, chairman." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1648.625, "end": 1650.005, "text": "Oh, we have to vote on the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1650.445, "end": 1651.145, "text": "agenda as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1651.905, "end": 1652.245, "text": "Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1652.405, "end": 1652.705, "text": "Wow." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1652.945, "end": 1653.505, "text": "Rookie move." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1654.025, "end": 1655.465, "text": "On the agenda as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1655.605, "end": 1656.245, "text": "Are we agreed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1657.385, "end": 1658.065, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1658.445, "end": 1659.305, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1659.585, "end": 1660.005, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1660.605, "end": 1664.825, "text": "Uh confirmation of the minutes. Moved by Councillor Pantasopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1665.725, "end": 1666.505, "text": "Any debate?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1667.085, "end": 1667.805, "text": "Seeing none." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1668.125, "end": 1669.565, "text": "On the minutes, are we agreed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1670.365, "end": 1671.205, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1671.765, "end": 1672.265, "text": "Hearing none." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1673.265, "end": 1673.925, "text": "That's carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1675.745, "end": 1678.745, "text": "No consent agenda items. Therefore, we go directly into item" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1680.025, "end": 1681.545, "text": "7.2." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1681.845, "end": 1683.885, "text": "Growth application glacier ridge." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1701.985, "end": 1702.965, "text": "Go ahead. Do you have the floor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1705.105, "end": 1708.165, "text": "Good morning, members of the Infrastructure and Planning Committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1708.625, "end": 1708.685, "text": "My" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1709.065, "end": 1713.185, "text": "name is Joelle Anakarico, and I am a planner with city and regional planning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1713.665, "end": 1741.545, "text": "I am here today to present our recommendation on growth application 2026-005, which I will refer to as Glacier Ridge Ashler, and is located in the Glacier Ridge Area Structure Plan. Please note there is a clerical correction on page two of attachment three to correct the residential land supply data within the market supply and demand section of our evaluation criteria. Clerks have already been informed of this correction. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1743.645, "end": 1771.445, "text": "The administration recommendation is that the Infrastructure and Planning Committee recommend that Council approve this growth application and direct administration to include required operating funding in the 2027 to 2030 business plans and budgets, and to direct administration to consider any future capital andor operating investments as required in 2031 and beyond in the prioritization of investments in future business plans and budgets. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1773.405, "end": 1782.825, "text": "The Glacier Ridge Ashler Growth Area is outlined in pink on this map. It is located just north of 144th Avenue within the Glacier Ridge Area Structure Plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1783.485, "end": 1794.125, "text": "This application covers 23 hectares and proposes 831 new homes, 2.1 hectares of employment lands, and a future joint use school site. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1796.425, "end": 1804.465, "text": "This map highlights the May 2025 land supply in the North Secret as per the annually published Suburban Residential Growth Report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1805.125, "end": 1817.005, "text": "This sector has an existing approved and service supply of approximately 20,000 homes. Please note these figures do not include growth applications currently recommended for consideration in this year's budget." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1818.145, "end": 1832.545, "text": "This map also displays the development status of lands surrounding the growth area, with approved and actively subdividing lands to the east, approved lands to the west, and a built out residential development in Sage Hill to the south. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1834.885, "end": 1847.245, "text": "As just shown on the previous map, from a policy alignment perspective, Glacier Ridge Ashler is contiguous with developed and actively developing areas and would also fill a gap in growth approvals along 144th Avenue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1848.005, "end": 1859.485, "text": "The growth area is favorably located near a community activity center, existing school, library, and the Sage Hill Transit Terminal, but is not favorably located near an existing recreation facility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1860.845, "end": 1875.225, "text": "In terms of market supply and demand, the North sector continues to see growth with 11 communities at various stages of development, a six to nine year supply of serviced land, and four to six year supply of approved but not yet serviced land." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1875.865, "end": 1881.405, "text": "The subject application would increase supply in the North sector by less than one year. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1883.765, "end": 1897.165, "text": "From a financial impact perspective, this application received a favorable new community operating cost result, generating $2.2 million in annual revenue and approximately $13.9 million in off site levies at full build out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1897.985, "end": 1916.245, "text": "Looking ahead to the upcoming 2027 to 2030 business plans and budgets, this application's operating costs are proposed to begin in 2027, with the total four-year tax-supported incremental operating costs estimated at $500,000, with no new initial capital required to enable the growth area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1917.205, "end": 1936.085, "text": "In 2031 and beyond, annual tax-supported incremental operating costs are estimated at $100,000 at full build-out, and approximately $47 million of additional capital investment will be required to support the 144th Avenue North BRT route within the Glacier Ridge area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1936.725, "end": 1937.685, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1939.585, "end": 1948.765, "text": "To highlight risks specific to Glacier Ridge Ashler, if this growth application is approved, there is a potential risk related to the timing of infrastructure delivery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1949.385, "end": 1961.545, "text": "This growth area is reliant on interim water servicing capacity and additional water infrastructure anticipated in 2027, as well as the completion of the North Calgary Water Servicing Project in 2029." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1962.805, "end": 1970.585, "text": "Delays to infrastructure delivery may affect the developer's ability to advance, as housing cannot proceed if necessary infrastructure is not in place." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1971.685, "end": 1993.665, "text": "If the application is not approved, the risk then shifts to land use and market outcomes. This site would remain undeveloped in an actively developing area of the Glacier Ridge ASP and would stall build out along 144th Avenue, creating uncertainty and resulting in inefficient use of already serviced land with previously approved capital investments and infrastructure. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 1995.745, "end": 2021.385, "text": "To summarize, administration is recommending approval of this application as it supports growth that will be occurring at the right place and at the right time. This growth application enables new housing supply, a future school site, and commercial opportunities for Calgarians in proximity to existing transit, services, and amenities, and supports Calgary's growing population through financially responsible and well connected new community development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2022.305, "end": 2027.745, "text": "This concludes the Glacier Ridge Ashlar presentation. Thank you for your time and happy to address any questions you may have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2028.805, "end": 2031.085, "text": "Uh thank you for your presentation. Before I go to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2031.685, "end": 2036.025, "text": "questions from members of the council, I'm gonna ask if there's anyone in the public that wants." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2037.085, "end": 2038.285, "text": "Wishes to speak to this item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2039.845, "end": 2042.485, "text": "And if you'd please come forward and introduce yourself, you have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2043.125, "end": 2044.105, "text": "five minutes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2044.305, "end": 2045.265, "text": "to make your case." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2049.205, "end": 2056.625, "text": "Good morning. My name is Grant Mahalsh and I'm with BA Studios and I'm representing the three landowners of Glacier Ridge, Ashler." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2056.945, "end": 2074.925, "text": "On behalf of our clients, I'd like to express our appreciation of administration's positive recommendation and for continued commitment to the Glacier Ridge community. Thanks to Council's long term vision for North Calgary, the strongest growth sector of the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2075.165, "end": 2086.785, "text": "This proposal can leverage previous investments in utility and transportation infrastructure. As a result, the development does not require any new upfront capital investment to proceed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2087.665, "end": 2091.445, "text": "Funding for the Northwater Servicing Project is already in place," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2091.625, "end": 2096.785, "text": "with servicing capacity anticipated between 2027 and 2029." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2097.345, "end": 2102.105, "text": "Without the need for additional capital funding, this proposal will help bridge the gap." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2102.565, "end": 2119.405, "text": "In growth approvals along 144th Avenue. It also supports a timely extension of 144th Avenue and the associated infrastructure required for efficient servicing for both this development and surrounding sites." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2120.145, "end": 2135.305, "text": "An outline plan has already been submitted and is currently under review by administration. The plan will deliver a complete community, including a range of housing choices, commercial opportunities, and importantly, a dedicated elementary school site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2136.425, "end": 2147.945, "text": "We strongly support administration's recommendation with committee's approval. Our clients are ready to move forward with construction, delivering much needed housing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2148.365, "end": 2153.165, "text": "while generating long term minus support benefits through increased property tax," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2154.085, "end": 2158.285, "text": "revenue, franchise fees, and continued economic investment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2158.605, "end": 2163.465, "text": "For these reasons, we respectfully request your support of the administration's recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2164.045, "end": 2166.605, "text": "Thank you, and I will answer any questions you might have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2166.905, "end": 2170.285, "text": "Thank you. Looks like you had a little bit of an interruption there, but it's to have gone away." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2170.985, "end": 2171.405, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2173.085, "end": 2178.325, "text": "I'm not sure that we have any questions for you directly. I'm not seeing anything in the queue at the moment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2179.805, "end": 2180.185, "text": "Give your" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2180.545, "end": 2183.125, "text": "members of committee another second or two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2184.885, "end": 2188.165, "text": "Other than that, uh say Mr. Mahaltron, thank you very much for your presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2190.045, "end": 2194.425, "text": "And are there any other members of the public that wish to speak to this matter? Any other members of the public?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2195.125, "end": 2197.785, "text": "Uh seeing none, uh forget the administration to come back up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2198.205, "end": 2199.405, "text": "There may be a question or two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2201.545, "end": 2202.105, "text": "Counselor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2203.685, "end": 2206.105, "text": "Yes, you said there was a correction on uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2206.545, "end": 2209.525, "text": "was I think it was attachment three, page two, is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2210.965, "end": 2211.865, "text": "Yes, that's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2211.865, "end": 2213.425, "text": "And it was about land supply." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2213.885, "end": 2214.365, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2214.645, "end": 2217.865, "text": "Uh w can you just state what that correction was?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2218.585, "end": 2238.805, "text": "For sure. So in the market and supply demand row of the table on page two, we had quoted the North sector as having 16 to 21 years of undeveloped approved residential land supply. So that 16 to 21 years was just incorrectly referenced. And so we removed that from the amended copy of the report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2239.205, "end": 2240.445, "text": "Perfect. Thank you. That's all." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2240.965, "end": 2242.465, "text": "And what was it amended to?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2244.985, "end": 2245.425, "text": "Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 2245.525, "end": 2246.185, "text": "Sorry. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2246.185, "end": 2246.785, "text": "Oh, sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2246.985, "end": 2250.285, "text": "And and what is the amendment that was made to it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2252.085, "end": 2260.685, "text": "I can quote it. It's basically the exact same, just with the removal of 16 to 21 years of undeveloped approved residential land supply." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2261.645, "end": 2263.945, "text": "So is there a number there to replace it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2264.305, "end": 2287.325, "text": "No, so that number was just completely removed, uh completely removed. So there's two bullet points underneath, which quoted six to nine years of approved and service land capacity, an additional four to six years of approved but not yet service land capacity. And those numbers were not equal to the 16 to 21. So the 16 to 21 was just incorrectly referenced in the entire bullet point. So that was just removed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2287.485, "end": 2288.425, "text": "Okay, thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2289.545, "end": 2292.345, "text": "Anything else, Counselor Ward?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2294.085, "end": 2296.225, "text": "That's it. Okay, Councilor Pentasopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2296.465, "end": 2316.145, "text": "Thanks so much for the presentation. The market supply and demand says as at May 2025, we've seen demand slowing down in Calgary. I think CMHC said 7,000 home starts versus 25 last year. If you were to update these numbers, would there be a material difference or the numbers referenced a year ago were pretty consistent with what uh we see today?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2316.225, "end": 2321.105, "text": "Thank you for that question, Councillor Panasopoulos. Um, Dale Calkins, the coordinator of growth strategy. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2321.745, "end": 2369.345, "text": "the May 2025 results we have are from the suburban residential growth report, which of course you can see online. We are expecting to have a new suburban residential growth report in September of this year. So that will provide us with updated information. Generally, though, speaking to your point, we are seeing uh demand starting to decline, but it is declining from those historical peaks that we had seen in previous years. So I'm not suggesting to you that demand is starting to plummet or drop significantly, but it's leveling out to maybe a more consistent rate. And so we will, uh once we have that updated information from the suburban residential growth report, we'll make sure that we're reflecting that in our upcoming reports about how our land supply is affected. I do expect land supply to continue to increase based on that declining demand, and also because council has moved forward quite a significant number of growth applications, either for approval or budget consideration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2369.465, "end": 2377.025, "text": "And you don't think that would change your recommendation if that number changed materially? Just if there's, you know, a 75% drop from 25 to 7." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2377.305, "end": 2381.845, "text": "You're still consistent. We need 10 plus years of service of land, et cetera." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2382.465, "end": 2408.945, "text": "I would say that it not would not change our recommendation on this particular application, which is before us. I think though, when we come to you in the kind of the new season of growth applications, especially when we start to see some more of the capital applications again, we're going to have a very serious look at the land supply and whether or not we should be escalating that to kind of a red risk. You see in the report it's kind of still in that yellow category. I think it's possible that we're getting quite high up on that level of land supply." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2409.125, "end": 2421.985, "text": "No, thanks for that. And that's a fair. This is a nominal capital in this budget cycle. It's all OPRECs. Um you guys were pretty clear in that. Maybe that that $47 million of sort of future capital as you look out 2031 and beyond. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2422.685, "end": 2431.445, "text": "does that support just the 871 homes, or is there a broader support? I think I heard you say something about one 144 or something. If you could just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2431.605, "end": 2435.505, "text": "Confirm that it truly is supports uh the whole area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 2435.725, "end": 2445.925, "text": "That's correct. So it'll support the entire Glacier Ridge ASP and probably lands to the south too. So that $47 million is for the 144th Avenue North BRT route along." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2446.565, "end": 2466.045, "text": "Fantastic. And and then maybe it just speaks about the risks. This is the first time that we've really spoken about water risks and uh the slide seven, timing risk, interim capacity, the Northwater, North Calgary excuse me, water service and completion 2029. Just talk through what we're sacrificing, what the risks are." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2466.405, "end": 2492.725, "text": "The capacity doesn't exist in 27. If 2029 becomes twenty thirty or beyond, uh just maybe walk through that. Just obviously water is front and center. Uh we're gonna talk about a budget and urgent business, excuse me, water spend and it's priority number one. So maybe just you identified it. If you could just spend a little more time speaking to that, why you think it's the right time versus delaying just a year or two just to make sure that 2027 happens, 2029 happens, so we don't have any water problems." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2492.785, "end": 2525.385, "text": "Certainly, Councillor. And I actually think this is a this is a risk we have noted on some previous reports before about the servicing risk of just making sure that the infrastructure is coming on board at the same time as the growth. For this application, I think we would agree it's a relatively low risk because of when the development is likely to happen. The applicant has proposed starting in 2027. I think that's a bit ambitious, if I'm honest with you. It's probably going to be later out, and I think it would line up without issue with these timelines. However, if it did and the servicing wasn't in place for when they were ready to go to build, they would have to wait." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2526.685, "end": 2540.425, "text": "And and would there be a wait for the rest of Calgary? Like ultimately that north line has an impact to the West, obviously, because it's providing duplication and things. So ultimately, uh, would it be sort of spread if that 2029 delays 2030?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2540.825, "end": 2550.745, "text": "It would not just be this area, potentially all of Calgary would be impacted, or do you try to regionalize it saying it only impacts these homes, therefore we can approve homes in the west or the south or the east?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2551.665, "end": 2562.385, "text": "Applications that benefit from this particular water servicing would be affected. So not just this one, it could be other ones as well, but it's not necessarily all of Calgary, it's just ones that were reliant on this piece of infrastructure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2562.665, "end": 2564.885, "text": "That that's great to hear that ultimately just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 2565.125, "end": 2573.565, "text": "in support, if if something happened, no, we would actually slow down delay, excuse me, growth, just say, hey, we got to catch up, you know, if 29 comes to 30. Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2577.125, "end": 2578.385, "text": "Thank you, Counselor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2578.665, "end": 2580.245, "text": "Pentzopoulos. Counselor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2581.525, "end": 2591.825, "text": "Just uh quick follow-up on that. So like it it mentions interim capacity. When you're saying interim capacity, what do you mean by that on the on the water side of things?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2591.985, "end": 2599.485, "text": "I think we might benefit from one of our colleagues to come help us with that. Miss Choi will likely have a really good answer. This is her thing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 2602.905, "end": 2631.565, "text": "Good morning. For the North Calgary Water Servicing Project, we are staging it in a unique way so that we can introduce some incremental capacity in 2027. So that's what we're calling that interim capacity, and we have been allocating that based on growth applications that demonstrate readiness for homes as early as 2027. The remainder of the project would be completed in 2029 and provide that system wide redundancy as well as additional capacity beyond that incremental amount." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2631.705, "end": 2661.565, "text": "Gotcha. Is there any risks involved with doing this staging in terms of like doing this piece and then are like potentially something goes wrong and we lose water cap like because my understanding is based on the maps and such is like this is how the water is being delivered, and just if there is any uh disruptions in water service, that then we're delivering water and or k we don't really have other redundancy in the same sorts of ways that we do elsewhere." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 2661.645, "end": 2695.045, "text": "I would say there's no risk with the sequencing we've proceeded with. The sequencing is intended to provide interim redundancy as well for some of the pressure zones in the north. And so the sequencing is really about the best way that we can phase this large project in a way that provides incremental benefit as we build it. I don't see a lot of risk, and as my colleagues mentioned, the growth applications that are dependent on this project will be conditioned at their outline plan land use stage to ensure that they have to wait until the capacity is actually available." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2695.165, "end": 2727.185, "text": "That's fantastic. Okay, thank you. Um the only other pieces maybe more to the broader, uh I think slide four uh has the map with like all these yellow areas. So if I'm understanding this just right with kind of this conversation, all of these yellow areas are waiting at for various points of this North Calgary water service to come in. Is that what's sort of holding those yellow areas back compared to the areas that are serviced? Is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2728.065, "end": 2732.985, "text": "Is it that one piece of infrastructure that's gonna turn all of these different yellow" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2733.945, "end": 2735.905, "text": "pieces red?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2736.505, "end": 2759.825, "text": "The individual pieces may be waiting on different pieces of infrastructure, but that is a major one, of course, is the water. Most of the transportation infrastructure is that's the enabling infrastructure is built in this area. And there are those additional pieces such as the BRT that we mentioned that will provide additional capacity. So there are, I don't I don't want to say that it's just the water piece, but that is a major factor, to be sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2759.865, "end": 2768.785, "text": "Okay. And then I I guess just on that, like is there any concern about when this water main is built, turned on, and suddenly we then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2769.105, "end": 2819.585, "text": "Are landing a lot of supply all at or the ability to turn on a lot of supply all at once, uh, what that can do in terms of like new growth areas. Because it this is like we've been approving these applications, but they're kind of all sitting in a queue waiting for a piece of infrastructure. That infrastructure gets into place, turns on, and suddenly you have a huge amount of uh you know, land and housing that could come on all at the same time and what that could potentially do. Just just a broader sort of it's not specific to this application. I think this one really does make sense. It's proximity, all of these kinds of pieces, but I'm just thinking about that overall um yeah, what what's it's gonna do when suddenly the the North uh water project turns on, if that's the reason for the bulk of these waiting and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2819.585, "end": 2830.765, "text": "Yeah, that's a fair question. And I did just get some information from some of our colleagues here that there are there are some emergency services and some mobility investments that are still required to come through. So it's not just the water, as I had mentioned. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2831.825, "end": 2846.985, "text": "to your second question, it's an interesting one. And I think we've consistently flagged that risk for council of the more and more new community growth you approve through growth applications, you are potentially spreading a finite amount of butter over an increasingly large number of toast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2847.565, "end": 2862.925, "text": "And that's a risk because then you might see each of those areas build out slower, and that and that's a challenge. That's a risk both to the city's ability to make sure that we're making efficient use of infrastructure, the developers' return on investment as well as they're competing for a much larger" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2863.185, "end": 2879.305, "text": "bag of bread, if I'm using the same analogy. But it is it is a risk. There are also benefits. It means that the developers, more developers, are able to get going and move forward with their projects. And I think we identify those risks quite clearly in our risk attachment. So, yes, it's a risk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2879.545, "end": 2879.865, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2880.145, "end": 2881.425, "text": "Okay. Thank you. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2883.665, "end": 2884.105, "text": "Councilor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2885.685, "end": 2890.325, "text": "All right. Your uh toast and butter analogy kind of works here. Um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2890.745, "end": 2892.185, "text": "sort of outside of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2892.785, "end": 2909.165, "text": "the context of the decisions we may have made to approve other applications since we started all together here, that you identified more risk. Um just looking more broadly, if this is a fair question. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2909.585, "end": 2919.425, "text": "I mean you've done a good job of explaining this in your report, but just to hear from you directly in the in the grand scheme of the way that you assess these growth applications," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2920.085, "end": 2937.205, "text": "how would you place this one sort of for our benefit as far as your benefit, risk, costs? Like uh it it is explained in here, but I think hearing it from you directly would be helpful as far as our decision here, where you would place this one as far as our decision goes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2937.605, "end": 2970.305, "text": "Thank you for that question, Counselor. I would suggest this is one of the more straightforward applications that we brought to you. It's surrounded by either actively developing areas, areas that will be developing soon, and then there's a growth application that we had brought to you previously to the north. So this one, and I think you heard from the applicant, this is filling one of those kind of holes in the overall fabric of this area structure plan area. I think moving forward with this one is one of our easiest recommendations to give so far when it comes to the growth applications this year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2970.505, "end": 2973.605, "text": "So it's effective. It's an effective use of our butter supply." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 2973.785, "end": 2980.325, "text": "Yeah, we're we're leveraging previous investment decisions, we are leveraging um previous growth approvals. It makes a lot of sense." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 2980.425, "end": 3008.985, "text": "Okay. And then just one other more specific question, which I likely should have asked you outside of this meeting, but I'll ask it now because it'll be quick. So apologies for that. In attachment three, page four, when it lists the maximum off site levies eligibility, and then you have the the two footnote there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3009.605, "end": 3016.885, "text": "Is it a position where that $417 million number listed there could be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3017.125, "end": 3019.685, "text": "have those levies been used" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3019.825, "end": 3026.705, "text": "to their full extent already with the work that's been done, or is there still some that can be used that would affect that number?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 3027.985, "end": 3031.565, "text": "I think we would also have to ask some colleagues to support us with this answer as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 3040.365, "end": 3043.685, "text": "Perhaps you could just repeat your question so I ensure I understand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3043.785, "end": 3056.305, "text": "So attachment three, uh page four, where there's the um capital infrastructure benefiting the growth application, we have funded in the 2027 to 2030 budget. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3056.525, "end": 3069.685, "text": "It's included in the off-site levies bylaw, and the maximum eligibility is 22%. So is that $417 million number in a position to still be affected by that 22% number, or has that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3070.065, "end": 3071.525, "text": "already been used?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3072.125, "end": 3076.565, "text": "Or is is that $417 already taken that into consideration?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 3076.805, "end": 3096.665, "text": "So in the current off site levy bylaw, I believe the North Calgary Water Project is listed around $470 million. We do know the total cost has increased, so I think our new total is closer to $611 million. So in the next off site levy update, that project cost will get updated, and that 22% will also be correspondingly updated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 3097.785, "end": 3107.785, "text": "The project is debt financed and so that's another key component. We utilize the levies to help offset the principal and interest costs as we incur them over the life of that debt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3108.085, "end": 3111.945, "text": "I see. Okay. And then debt financed through water utility rates in this case." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 3112.005, "end": 3112.365, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 3112.365, "end": 3113.625, "text": "Yes. Okay, perfect. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3118.885, "end": 3123.345, "text": "Uh thank you, Councillor Schmidt. I will now go to Councillor Wynus to move the item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3123.945, "end": 3124.345, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3124.765, "end": 3125.085, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3125.885, "end": 3126.525, "text": "I'll move it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3126.725, "end": 3129.685, "text": "Uh it makes sense. I think some of the concerns" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3130.165, "end": 3133.985, "text": "that were previously mentioned by other counselors, uh, when it comes to housing," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3134.225, "end": 3135.905, "text": "Calgary is still a stable market." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3136.465, "end": 3138.085, "text": "And I think that's one thing that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3138.545, "end": 3140.325, "text": "Industry won't build if there's not a buyer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3140.585, "end": 3144.945, "text": "And so we still need to give our approval so that they can phase and do their next steps and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3145.305, "end": 3146.485, "text": "let market conditions ha" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3146.805, "end": 3147.405, "text": "move forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3147.805, "end": 3148.905, "text": "Uh I think market" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3149.065, "end": 3155.405, "text": "adjusts what the mix is. Condo markets getting built in the suburbs are some of the tall taller than what we're seeing in the established area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3155.785, "end": 3161.665, "text": "Um and yeah, we have to now level flex with single family built form because that seems to be the strongest market condition, but we have a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3162.385, "end": 3163.585, "text": "a flux here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3163.925, "end": 3169.645, "text": "Uh we have to also when we talk about water, North Water is not just a calorie project, it's an airdree project" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3170.045, "end": 3172.585, "text": "because and it's a redundancy to the system. And I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3172.985, "end": 3173.485, "text": "uh I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3173.965, "end": 3176.745, "text": "the conversation we've had here is something that's played out a lot with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3177.085, "end": 3179.385, "text": "the Ward 2, Ward 3 applications. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3179.805, "end": 3180.145, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3180.405, "end": 3184.425, "text": "this pipe is gonna serve as airdry. It's it's our work around and it's not just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3184.925, "end": 3191.705, "text": "this growth application that benefits from it. We also will see a taxed uplift, and the people that move into this community will help pay for that project." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3192.225, "end": 3192.545, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3192.725, "end": 3195.165, "text": "I'll keep it small, but thank you. I hope you guys can score this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3196.685, "end": 3197.505, "text": "Thanks. I'll um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3198.385, "end": 3199.645, "text": "add some additional" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3200.145, "end": 3201.805, "text": "minor commentary if I may." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3202.305, "end": 3202.925, "text": "Um I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3203.325, "end": 3205.865, "text": "I appreciate the um butter on a toast. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3206.225, "end": 3209.345, "text": "I would argue this is more like a crouton rather than a toast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3209.645, "end": 3212.785, "text": "It's a small addition to an existing area that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3213.125, "end": 3216.285, "text": "gonna benefit from the uh investments that we've already made into this area. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3216.965, "end": 3218.605, "text": "I'm happy to support it. And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3219.665, "end": 3222.485, "text": "if there's no other debate, I will go to you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3222.805, "end": 3224.045, "text": "Council Winus to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 3224.125, "end": 3224.485, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3225.865, "end": 3228.405, "text": "Okay, if everyone can go to Eastcribe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3239.085, "end": 3240.325, "text": "Councilor McLean, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 3242.745, "end": 3244.465, "text": "Thank you. Chair Shabo, all votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3245.565, "end": 3246.505, "text": "Display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3250.945, "end": 3252.705, "text": "And that motion is carried eight to zero." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3254.485, "end": 3255.805, "text": "Thank you very much for that presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3256.585, "end": 3259.025, "text": "We'll move on to the next item, which is item" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3259.505, "end": 3263.865, "text": "7.3 land use bylaw amendments to support changing needs of schools." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3265.265, "end": 3265.765, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3288.125, "end": 3299.645, "text": "Good morning, members of committee. My name is Arisha Laloch and I'm a planner on the land use bylaw team. And I am excited to be presenting land use bylaw amendments to help support schools." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3300.585, "end": 3301.165, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3303.025, "end": 3317.305, "text": "So administration is recommending that the infrastructure and planning committee forwards this report to the September 15th public hearing meeting of council and recommend that council gives three readings to the proposed amendments to the land use bylaw found in attachment one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3317.485, "end": 3318.185, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3321.065, "end": 3337.605, "text": "So as the city grows and communities age, the needs of schools change. In some cases, schools are overcapacity and they need to accommodate more students, and in other cases, they are underutilized, giving us an opportunity to temporarily allow school buildings to be used for other purposes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3338.165, "end": 3341.085, "text": "The First Amendment focuses on streamlining the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3341.445, "end": 3356.905, "text": "approvals process for portable classrooms, since portables play a key role in addressing the accommodation issues while waiting for new schools to be built. And the city has been seeing a steady increase in the number of portable applications, and this coincides with the funding from the province." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3357.905, "end": 3380.185, "text": "And school boards strive to complete construction in time for the upcoming school year. However, there are land use bylaw requirements that are difficult to add to existing school sites, and these are consistently relaxed, which ends up extending timelines. The Second Amendment will allow for interim uses in school buildings as enabled through the city charter and the joint use planning agreement updates." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3381.525, "end": 3382.185, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3384.205, "end": 3415.385, "text": "And to streamline the portable applications, the proposed amendments would exempt up to six school portables on a site from the requirements for landscaping, bicycle parking stalls, loading stalls, and pickup and drop off stalls. The development permit would still be required and it will continue to review for setbacks, fire access, stormwater management, public tree protection, and circulation to inform external stakeholders will still take place. And if the school site is to have more than six portables, then the full requirements will be reviewed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3416.085, "end": 3473.285, "text": "And the second amendment would be allowing interim uses in school buildings. So in 2019, the city charter was updated and it authorizes the Joint Use Coordinating Committee through the updated joint use planning agreement to give this to make decisions for allowing for public benefit compatible uses on reserve lands. And the Joint Use Coordinating Committee, or the JUCC, is made up of representatives from the city and the three school boards. And they are responsible for planning and managing the land and facilities for schools, but also for parks, recreation, and community uses. And so the proposed amendment would allow for these interim uses in the school buildings by exempting them from requiring a development permit. However, the use must meet the following conditions. So it must be approved by the JUCC as a public benefit use defined under the joint use planning agreement, and it must operate on an interim basis within the existing school building." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3473.865, "end": 3479.645, "text": "And this would be typically for around two years or until the school board is ready to reoccupy the building." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3480.365, "end": 3488.945, "text": "And then lastly, there is just a minor amendment to remove the reference to the general manager of transportation from the bylaw, since this is an outdated position title." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3489.985, "end": 3490.765, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3493.005, "end": 3526.425, "text": "The proposed amendments do provide many benefits for schools and communities, such as reducing the complexity and timelines for applications, as well as reducing the costs for the school boards as the applicants, and allowing the flexible use of underutilised schools allows for other public benefiting uses to operate, and it helps maintain the building and retain the school site for future school use. The amendments also bring the land use bylaw into amendment with the city charter and the joint use planning agreement, and it increases the clarity and consistency of the land use bylaw regulations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3526.925, "end": 3527.585, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3529.525, "end": 3542.505, "text": "And so administration is recommending that the infrastructure and planning committee forwards this report to the September 15th public hearing meeting of council and recommends that council gives three readings to the proposed amendments found in attachment one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3542.985, "end": 3546.085, "text": "Thank you for your time today, and I'm available for any questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3547.165, "end": 3547.645, "text": "uh thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3547.965, "end": 3552.905, "text": "Uh thank you, Mr. Lalach. I'll uh I'll ask if there's any members of the public that wish to speak to this item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3553.965, "end": 3556.625, "text": "I don't have anybody on my list, but just to make sure anyone" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3557.385, "end": 3559.305, "text": "From the public that wishes to speak to this item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3560.245, "end": 3563.885, "text": "Seeing none, I will now go to questions of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3564.705, "end": 3567.165, "text": "to admin. I have a couple questions myself" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3567.545, "end": 3569.445, "text": "whilst other people are getting in the queue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3570.825, "end": 3572.145, "text": "The first one is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3572.645, "end": 3573.885, "text": "in relations to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3574.985, "end": 3575.585, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3576.905, "end": 3579.885, "text": "it says interim uses typically two years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3580.105, "end": 3581.105, "text": "Typically does not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3581.365, "end": 3581.785, "text": "mean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3582.325, "end": 3588.285, "text": "that it can't go beyond that. So what would be considered to be a temporary use if it's intended to go beyond two years?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3588.825, "end": 3589.245, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3589.605, "end": 3609.545, "text": "the Joint Use Coordinating Committee, they are would be the ones overseeing this. So what they typically do for leases would be two years. There is the option to extend if the school board isn't quite ready to occupy the school at that time, but it is done through the agreements with the Joint Use Committee's oversight." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3610.545, "end": 3614.405, "text": "So we didn't want to put necessarily put a timeline in the land use bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3614.665, "end": 3617.445, "text": "To which we have two representatives and the school boards have three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3618.085, "end": 3621.345, "text": "So we would get outvoted on anything that we would want to do" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3622.045, "end": 3622.985, "text": "if they don't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3623.465, "end": 3624.645, "text": "if it interferes with their" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3625.185, "end": 3626.185, "text": "with their business," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3626.365, "end": 3626.985, "text": "so to speak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3627.965, "end": 3628.625, "text": "That's w" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3628.845, "end": 3632.005, "text": "one of the challenges I have with the joint use coordinating committee is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3632.465, "end": 3636.545, "text": "typically if the school boards want something, we get outvoted at every" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3637.065, "end": 3637.845, "text": "at every turn" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3639.365, "end": 3639.485, "text": "Like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3639.485, "end": 3640.445, "text": "based on the composition." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3641.485, "end": 3642.505, "text": "I know they try and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3641.725, "end": 3641.865, "text": "city" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3642.305, "end": 3642.725, "text": "representatives." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3642.725, "end": 3643.085, "text": "read on it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3643.245, "end": 3646.205, "text": "on a unanimous perspective, but they don't always, do they?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3648.705, "end": 3653.525, "text": "Like the city has their representatives. One is directly from community planning and parks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3653.885, "end": 3654.525, "text": "And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3655.145, "end": 3660.285, "text": "they can like veto it if they feel it's not appropriate use." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3660.945, "end": 3661.545, "text": "But yes," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3661.865, "end": 3663.585, "text": "there's a probably a better expert." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3665.085, "end": 3678.545, "text": "Uh thank you, uh Councillor Shabot. Um my name is Dave Mohalik. I'm I'm currently the voting member for Parks on JUCC. Um so the committee operates on a consensus model, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3679.385, "end": 3700.725, "text": "to be quite honest, the committee works together very, very well. And I would say there's I have minimal concerns about feeling outvoted uh or you know swayed in a direction that would go against you know s the desires of one of the members. Ultimately we work together and we try to we do come to consensus." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3701.065, "end": 3705.385, "text": "I've been involved with the committee since twenty eighteen, so I can say that for the last" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 3705.525, "end": 3706.325, "text": "at least since then." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3707.245, "end": 3711.685, "text": "Um one of the concerns that I had with regards to taking out the transportation um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3712.845, "end": 3714.485, "text": "department as opposed to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3714.725, "end": 3715.905, "text": "development authority" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3716.445, "end": 3718.045, "text": "uh is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3718.445, "end": 3719.665, "text": "pickup and drop off" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3720.005, "end": 3720.905, "text": "uh has" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3721.225, "end": 3725.405, "text": "been an issue at many of the schools. And you start adding more portables," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3725.625, "end": 3726.845, "text": "it could create a greater" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3727.265, "end": 3729.885, "text": "uh I I guess a greater challenge, if you will." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3730.425, "end": 3734.025, "text": "Um how would we address that and how would the JUCC" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3734.465, "end": 3736.405, "text": "take that into consideration?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3736.905, "end": 3741.385, "text": "When they move forward with some of these portables. Did they look at existing conditions before they" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3741.705, "end": 3743.345, "text": "move forward on some of these applications?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3743.645, "end": 3748.425, "text": "They still will. So the removal of like the reference to the manager of transportation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3748.985, "end": 3766.285, "text": "It doesn't change the actual review process for the development permit. It's the development authority, but they still circulate to the mobility team for input. So it doesn't actually change the review for the DP. They will still look up at pickup and drop up stalls." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3767.145, "end": 3772.865, "text": "Except for like if we're allowing for the relaxations, they're typically okay for portables up to six." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3773.505, "end": 3775.745, "text": "Okay, there was one reference in here" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3776.705, "end": 3778.265, "text": "that I wanted to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3779.485, "end": 3780.245, "text": "highlight." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3781.265, "end": 3782.605, "text": "And it's in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3782.885, "end": 3784.085, "text": "bylaw itself," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3784.905, "end": 3786.585, "text": "and it uh it says" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3787.865, "end": 3792.745, "text": "it is located on an existing building used or previously used as a school authority, schools," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3793.565, "end": 3795.605, "text": "um, and it's a reference in the report," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3795.865, "end": 3796.205, "text": "but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3796.905, "end": 3798.345, "text": "that does not alter." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3798.745, "end": 3799.285, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3799.685, "end": 3803.125, "text": "the landscape, or I can't remember what else is in the report, but there's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3803.485, "end": 3805.745, "text": "specific references in the report, but it's not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3806.285, "end": 3808.545, "text": "incorporated into the bylaw. I was wondering if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3808.865, "end": 3811.525, "text": "you think it would be necessary or prudent" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3811.925, "end": 3820.465, "text": "to incorporate some of those things into the bylaw that states very specifically that does not alter the landscape or what have you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3820.945, "end": 3821.525, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3822.225, "end": 3831.065, "text": "So at like schools as they exist, they are approved typically under development permits, and those conditions would still apply." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3831.725, "end": 3838.385, "text": "So with bringing on portables, if landscaping is removed and it's not approved under the DP, like we can still enforce it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3839.805, "end": 3843.065, "text": "so if you don't have a DP, how do you how do you do the enforcement? How do you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3843.065, "end": 3849.405, "text": "So and it's usually the school as it's existing would have a approval under a DP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3850.245, "end": 3856.105, "text": "So that amount of landscaping or trees, we can still enforce that initial amount." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3856.925, "end": 3865.765, "text": "So six portables could alter the uh the permeable surface uh insofar as uh you know if it's set on grass. So that would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3866.025, "end": 3867.445, "text": "arguably change the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3868.005, "end": 3872.205, "text": "uh the overland drainage issue. Um would that then be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3872.745, "end": 3874.285, "text": "taken into consideration on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3874.785, "end": 3885.285, "text": "Overland drainage and like stormwater management is still reviewed, and whether a development site servicing plan would be required to handle all of the changes that would be needed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3885.825, "end": 3901.605, "text": "So it is still reviewed with the D reviewed with the DP. The actual landscaping rules, typically in the SSPR district, they refer to trees or soft landscaping in setback areas, which typically aren't touched" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3902.425, "end": 3911.325, "text": "when like bringing on the portables. If there is any damage to the site or sports fields, the school does repair it to the initial state." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3912.185, "end": 3918.525, "text": "a typical size of about 1200 square feet? If if they decide to start producing larger" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3918.725, "end": 3922.205, "text": "uh uh portables, would then this need to be reviewed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3923.065, "end": 3933.305, "text": "We did ask this question of like the school boards, and because portables are manufactured buildings, they are a one size" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3933.725, "end": 3943.085, "text": "and they still have to meet the requirements for being transported down highways. So it's very unlikely that they would ever be able to increase in size." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3949.205, "end": 3952.105, "text": "Yeah, I say that about trailers until you pull out the slides." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3953.685, "end": 3954.165, "text": "Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3955.125, "end": 3956.245, "text": "Anyways, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3957.245, "end": 3962.345, "text": "yeah, no, I I I guess uh as long as they continue to maintain the same size." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3964.505, "end": 3965.145, "text": "Six, eh?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3965.765, "end": 3967.685, "text": "Is that what the threshold we're looking at?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3968.025, "end": 3968.705, "text": "Up to six." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3968.705, "end": 3970.225, "text": "We're looking at six portables, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3971.605, "end": 3973.065, "text": "All right, that's all the questions that I had." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3973.465, "end": 3975.025, "text": "Uh Counselor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3975.605, "end": 3976.885, "text": "Wynus. Oh, sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 3977.865, "end": 3979.905, "text": "Uh Counselor Pancelopoulos, I think you're first." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3979.905, "end": 3983.765, "text": "Perfect. Thanks so much. Just picking up on that question, why was six chosen?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 3985.045, "end": 4007.825, "text": "So six, when we were reviewing like past development permits for portables, six kind of seemed to be the sweet spot where it captures a lot of the applications we see. The school sites that end up having more than six, they're usually done in like increments. So they'll have probably six put on one year and then additional six, maybe a few years later." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4008.325, "end": 4014.105, "text": "So at least it benefits like the initial placement, the initial six portables. And then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4014.605, "end": 4018.485, "text": "administration, the review teams feel that once we go beyond that," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4018.825, "end": 4023.785, "text": "the cumulative impacts of adding portables." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4024.125, "end": 4029.205, "text": "Requires a little more oversight, especially for mobility related concerns. And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4029.885, "end": 4037.605, "text": "right now the teams don't feel adding more than allowing more than six would be appropriate, but six" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4038.005, "end": 4043.065, "text": "does. It increases or it captures most applications that we see." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4043.525, "end": 4046.565, "text": "And so we do still see a good benefit for the school boards." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4048.085, "end": 4059.445, "text": "But in the proposed bylaw amendments, uh transportation considerations are reviewed, whether it's one or a hundred um stalls. Like it's only specific to landscaping, bike stalls, loading stalls, pickup and drop off stalls." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4059.625, "end": 4066.685, "text": "So so why not transportation if you have one uh portable or ten, you're still gonna do the same analysis. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4067.485, "end": 4073.185, "text": "these seem pretty low fruit. Why why not do more? In slide, do you mind bringing up attachment two clerks?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4073.325, "end": 4073.965, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4074.565, "end": 4078.725, "text": "You know, as we've observed in in established communities as we continue to grow and densify," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4079.365, "end": 4112.425, "text": "we ain't building new schools, and that's a provincial jurisdiction. However, they're expanding existing schools. I think of Ward 6, Ernest Manning, I think they've advised parents we're adding probably six portables on top of the five or six that they have already. So we're only gonna expand and the schools bursting. And anyway to accelerate it, you look here up to April, you know, a disproportionate is that 10 plus. So maybe just speak to that. If it's only transportation, we're gonna look at it, why not increase it to nine or ten? Or just allow the schools as required because we're only focusing on the four elements that we're we're relaxing, sort of with that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4112.545, "end": 4150.045, "text": "And yeah, the the pickup and drop-off stalls, again, the threshold of six, it adds 150 students to the school. So doing the pickup and drop-off stall calculation, you only end up requiring maybe two to three or three to four extra pickup stalls. And that is something where administration feels comfortable relaxing that. Usually the existing site conditions, the sidewalk and curbs can accommodate that gentle increase. But once you start adding more, then you start getting a lot more trips generated to the site. There is more concern." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4150.945, "end": 4157.305, "text": "You might have to do um curbside management strategies, which they would like to review at DP and have say on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4159.005, "end": 4165.365, "text": "Yeah, we'll maybe explore that a a little later. If if there are six portables at a school, let's use Ernest Manning as an example," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4165.905, "end": 4166.965, "text": "and they add a seventh," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4167.505, "end": 4173.045, "text": "are they now have to go through the full review or because the new application is for but one, they're okay?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4175.545, "end": 4179.585, "text": "the applications for the ones. So they will do the full review" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4180.105, "end": 4182.265, "text": "if it requires the relaxation," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4183.005, "end": 4183.525, "text": "like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4184.165, "end": 4184.665, "text": "then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4184.685, "end": 4185.405, "text": "You see the challenge." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4185.765, "end": 4186.765, "text": "Sorry interrupt, go ahead. Sorry, interrupt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4186.765, "end": 4188.445, "text": "I see, yeah. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4189.665, "end": 4193.885, "text": "just because you're adding the ones stall, do we then account for all requirements?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4194.225, "end": 4194.465, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4194.465, "end": 4204.585, "text": "It is it probably differs based on the actual school site as it is. Some have tons of frontage that could easily accommodate pickup cells, some don't." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4204.965, "end": 4208.905, "text": "So again, it's hard to say and apply it broadly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4209.725, "end": 4210.105, "text": "but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4210.685, "end": 4212.665, "text": "just based on the applications we see," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4213.505, "end": 4216.805, "text": "the team felt um six was the most appropriate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4217.845, "end": 4232.745, "text": "If we increase that through an amendment, let's say at a council and uh to something higher, would there be a major concerns or how could you address that? The um pickup and drop off stalls just because that seems to be the one gating issue, everything like landscaping, you know, a tree and grass and things and and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4233.165, "end": 4237.745, "text": "that that's the only consideration. So if we could address that, the administration generally could be comfortable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4238.125, "end": 4241.105, "text": "I I don't know how we do that, but look to you as the experts. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4241.105, "end": 4256.305, "text": "We could look at it, like just because this is an amendment now, we can continue to look at it going forward and see how it w works. Um, if we come across issues or if we find that yeah, it tends to be okay, we can always continue to look at it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4257.065, "end": 4258.905, "text": "Yeah, that's kind of what we do. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 4259.485, "end": 4299.285, "text": "If I can just add to that, so the pickup drop-off is the gate at six. I would say as you get beyond six portables, what happens is you start to the site becomes much larger. And so you start to see much more significant impacts on things like play fields as well. So that's another thing that that leads to that recommendation of six because it generally fits within what we call the building envelope. So typically on a joint use site, you have like the larger site, which is the fields, and the building. And the building envelope is a dedicated amount of area. And once you get over six, you start to expand outside of that area, which then impacts other pieces of the site. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 4299.985, "end": 4352.305, "text": "I think maybe something just you know take offline as we sort of evolve, get that more data. Schools are unique, as everybody knows. If a road is built in October instead of September, who cares? You know, you just open up the road. But a school has to be ready September 1 for when the kids come to school. So any way we can accelerate. And I just think of of my world, uh, the high school, middle school, and the elementary that when my children went to, they were full up at six. So I think of all of those schools, they're bursting, and they're gonna part of this. And now there's gonna be a slowdown, and those children will. I I don't know how it'll happen there. So I think something to explore after. But if you could consider and just do some work there, it would be great. I I love the idea. Um, and I hope there's learnings beyond critical infrastructure that we can help and assist. The number one issue I hear when I talk to trustees is how can we help and work together and accelerate development and things, and and so these are opportunities that can help that. So thanks so much for bringing it forward, and we will work together, hopefully, if there's uh some movement as well. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4352.305, "end": 4352.585, "text": "absolutely." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 4355.385, "end": 4356.705, "text": "Um Counselor Wynus." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4357.485, "end": 4357.905, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4358.385, "end": 4366.505, "text": "The six makes sense given the I think I have a bunch of new schools. They're already pre-designed with six portable spots right out of the gates." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4366.765, "end": 4369.065, "text": "So I get the logic behind the six." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4369.525, "end": 4376.465, "text": "The drop off and pickup zones and parking lot, I I have concerns how we're even addressing this on our school sites. When it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4376.865, "end": 4377.705, "text": "I look at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4378.145, "end": 4380.085, "text": "going through the process with new schools," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4380.665, "end": 4381.345, "text": "there is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4381.525, "end": 4388.065, "text": "no ability for a community to push back to make the site more logical than what is being built or projected to be built." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4388.485, "end": 4390.125, "text": "I look at how" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4390.405, "end": 4394.285, "text": "a portable went on one of my new school or one of my established schools and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4394.545, "end": 4396.145, "text": "it just added to the pressure of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4396.425, "end": 4397.225, "text": "mobility" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4397.625, "end": 4400.885, "text": "around that site. So how does this committee actually help" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4401.285, "end": 4404.225, "text": "us solve the community problems that are happening?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4405.045, "end": 4405.485, "text": "I mean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4405.705, "end": 4408.305, "text": "allowing for the portables to be built, you're hopefully" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4408.685, "end": 4411.225, "text": "But the communication was weak to the community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4411.485, "end": 4415.945, "text": "When the construction happened, the residents were only notified because they saw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4416.385, "end": 4417.605, "text": "the construction begin." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4418.005, "end": 4421.305, "text": "There was definitely a breakdown for the community to even" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4422.845, "end": 4424.305, "text": "and we should be circulating" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4424.625, "end": 4426.845, "text": "to community associations to hopefully help" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4427.285, "end": 4427.825, "text": "it didn't happen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4427.825, "end": 4428.665, "text": "make them aware." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4428.805, "end": 4429.545, "text": "It didn't happen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4430.045, "end": 4437.045, "text": "And so like that's why when I look at the terms of reference changes, like I get why, like when you look at your policy, it makes sense." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4437.325, "end": 4444.925, "text": "But the problem I have is the action, I'm not seeing the support for community when it comes to the school site design and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4445.285, "end": 4445.825, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4446.705, "end": 4448.425, "text": "pickup drop off issues that are occurring." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4449.445, "end": 4454.825, "text": "Yeah. Um and it's kind of a balancing act when it's like pick up and drop off stalls." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4455.065, "end": 4455.305, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4456.085, "end": 4461.865, "text": "It the locations aren't right. And so that's why I think my hesitation of removing that point person is there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4462.425, "end": 4462.885, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4463.765, "end": 4471.765, "text": "but you have the development authority where I'm not even seeing that individual that was in charge of it actually advocate for what community needs for those drop off stalls." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4471.765, "end": 4473.485, "text": "I mean, and they they do" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4473.685, "end": 4488.525, "text": "During the development permit review, they do recommend like different locations for the portables, whether they want to approve the pickup and drop-off cells across the street or whatever location. So they do still review that at the development permit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4489.565, "end": 4490.005, "text": "Like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4490.565, "end": 4494.645, "text": "it should be circulated to the community associate associations, but I'm told, and then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4495.485, "end": 4499.245, "text": "we can still receive comments, try to incorporate that into the application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4499.485, "end": 4504.525, "text": "But why is the community association the point person and not the neighborhood around it? Like it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4504.525, "end": 4504.825, "text": "Like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4505.305, "end": 4508.045, "text": "I guess because this is a permitted use, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4509.485, "end": 4523.745, "text": "It it should be allowed. We do have oversight, but and we're not too sure necessarily what comments we would get back from like the community that the planner and mobility specialists" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4524.025, "end": 4525.885, "text": "couldn't give input on," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4526.725, "end": 4527.685, "text": "right? Necessarily." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4527.765, "end": 4532.925, "text": "yeah, I I think maybe this is gonna have to be more of a like a notice of motion following up because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4533.265, "end": 4538.885, "text": "uh U-turns at school sites because the site wasn't uh designed appropriately." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4539.065, "end": 4541.705, "text": "Uh we're spending more a lot of money on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4542.325, "end": 4548.485, "text": "uh police and bylaw officers to go in and try and enforce the chaos of a drop-off pickup zone because we don't create" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4548.825, "end": 4550.845, "text": "this we don't modify the site to be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4551.225, "end": 4553.485, "text": "bulb drop off, uh create U turns." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4553.945, "end": 4555.825, "text": "These are all issues that I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4556.465, "end": 4558.785, "text": "once you open the door on transportation," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4559.525, "end": 4562.545, "text": "counselors have our inboxes full of complaints and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4562.965, "end": 4564.645, "text": "it's not getting addressed through" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4565.005, "end": 4568.185, "text": "policy updates like this. Even the FrancoSuit update, like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4568.565, "end": 4569.805, "text": "It's a school aboard that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4570.405, "end": 4573.125, "text": "predominantly buses their students into neighborhoods where" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4573.325, "end": 4577.605, "text": "there might not even be an en an enrollment in that community for their site location." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4579.965, "end": 4580.585, "text": "I guess" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4580.925, "end": 4584.245, "text": "um allowing portables to these schools, we are hoping" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4584.565, "end": 4589.405, "text": "it's the kids in the neighborhood who are attending the schools, you'll have more people walking or biking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4589.925, "end": 4590.525, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4591.045, "end": 4598.165, "text": "It also can encourage parents to just drop off further away from the school to avoid the chaos immediately adjacent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4599.425, "end": 4605.005, "text": "It's not the reality though. Like even when you look at the inner city established neighborhoods, some of those schools are propped up because I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4605.225, "end": 4613.005, "text": "communities or yeah, community members from Ward 2 are s their kids are up 45 minutes to an hour on a bus to f to load up an established area school." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4613.325, "end": 4613.605, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4613.605, "end": 4621.225, "text": "And so then that's where the pressure comes into the mobility, the drop off pickup zones that it's that breakdown of the joint use site that people are frustrated with." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4621.225, "end": 4626.285, "text": "And that may be temporary. So some of the kids who are busted into the inner city communities," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4626.545, "end": 4632.645, "text": "they will hopefully have a school built. Like we know there's Livingston and they're busted into Cambrian Heights," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4632.645, "end": 4632.865, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4633.305, "end": 4637.685, "text": "but they're getting a school very soon. And so it could be temporary," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4637.985, "end": 4639.165, "text": "but you don't want to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4639.665, "end": 4641.605, "text": "prevent the portables from being built." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4641.605, "end": 4651.225, "text": "I'm not talking about providing portables. They're like the schools are already designed, right? Or the gates to be at max capacity, hence why there are six portables on the drawings. Like I think that's why I see the logic of the six." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4651.225, "end": 4661.345, "text": "Councillor Wyness, we are doing broader work on school sites generally, and so we'd be happy to meet with you to talk about your concerns outside of this land use bylaw amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4661.345, "end": 4662.725, "text": "And yeah, I like I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4663.305, "end": 4667.285, "text": "that'd be great. We need to do that because this land use some before us," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4667.785, "end": 4672.365, "text": "it's general, but I think it's gonna lead to more problems, and that's why counselors are concerned." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4672.365, "end": 4692.825, "text": "Understood, and I hear your concerns about the community feedback and the involvement, and so we'd be happy to talk about how we can improve the process. Really, what we're here today to propose is how to get more classrooms faster in the portable space, but there are broader school concerns that I I think I'm hearing you raise." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4693.125, "end": 4700.165, "text": "Yeah, because like portable, it's the community engagement, it's location on the site that is an issue for the six portables. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4700.725, "end": 4710.245, "text": "How do you actually make these sites function with the pressure demands on certain schools? And you will see once we open up some new schools, some of the issued areas will see a decline in student enrollment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4710.425, "end": 4716.105, "text": "And and you're right, with all the new schools that the province has recently announced, we need to be on top of this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4716.125, "end": 4718.505, "text": "Yeah. And we also need to actually make those sites function," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4718.865, "end": 4723.825, "text": "which I already see a bunch of sites that are gonna have massive community concern, which is why I'm frustrated at the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4724.505, "end": 4726.065, "text": "lack of voice about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4726.585, "end": 4728.465, "text": "mobility around a school site," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4728.685, "end": 4732.605, "text": "because it hasn't worked. And I think removing it will make it even less." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4732.985, "end": 4733.425, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4733.605, "end": 4737.005, "text": "a less ability for the community to say the predictable concerns we're gonna have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4737.005, "end": 4740.345, "text": "So I want to be really clear, we're not removing mobility's input to the work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4740.665, "end": 4741.665, "text": "All we're doing is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4741.845, "end": 4744.285, "text": "changing the title" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4744.285, "end": 4744.445, "text": "it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4744.445, "end": 4749.185, "text": "because that title doesn't exist anymore. That's not actually a position in the organization." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4749.185, "end": 4753.405, "text": "so it was a redundancy of of the structure when we originally wrote the bylaw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4753.865, "end": 4758.245, "text": "It's after the realignment and the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4758.585, "end": 4760.005, "text": "the formation of the Dart." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4760.325, "end": 4760.565, "text": "okay" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4760.825, "end": 4764.025, "text": "It's really that this is just an old term that we're cleaning up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 4764.325, "end": 4764.465, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4764.465, "end": 4764.645, "text": "okay" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 4765.085, "end": 4765.205, "text": "yeah" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4765.205, "end": 4767.805, "text": "Doesn't change the process that is currently underway at all." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 4768.085, "end": 4768.345, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 4768.645, "end": 4769.045, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 4769.085, "end": 4769.665, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 4771.585, "end": 4773.245, "text": "Thanks. Uh Councilor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4776.545, "end": 4786.765, "text": "Love what you're talking about. School streets. Like we we've done some minor pilots, but like we're quite a laggard, I think, in this space. And actually having" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4787.685, "end": 4810.845, "text": "temporary times around drop-off and pickup where cars are not allowed adjacent to schools, it feels like a weird thing. Well, why are we not having more cars like having drop off and pickup there? But to push it out further and have a parent and their child walk a block, it's fine. You can do that. And it makes the chaos around the school not happen. And so to I I feel like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4812.605, "end": 4877.725, "text": "This is turning on the portables and turning on the capacity, but it isn't dealing with the all the the side effects that are coming in. And I guess so there's that piece around I think the amount of cars in and around that should likely be coming hand in hand. We should be doing mobility in and around schools. If we're making this change to get more portables in and to land that faster, how do we also rapidly respond to this? We should be rapidly deploying school streets programs around these schools as a way to push that traffic out into the neighborhood and disperse it a little bit more so we're not getting the concentrations directly around the schools. But I also take issue with the removal of bike parking. Like we're we just you just said we're we're trying to encourage more pedestrian and bike traffic, but we're also not requiring bike parking as much, like like the same levels. So I guess that's a question is like how how why are we justifying that? I can kind of understand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4878.525, "end": 4890.265, "text": "the lack of requirements around loading and I think there can be creative ways that we're we're using the the resourcing in the area to to push the traffic elsewhere. Uh but bikes in particular." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4890.765, "end": 4928.145, "text": "For bikes, um what we continuously heard from like the school boards when we met with them is bike parking is always underutilized. What is there isn't used, requiring more does it make sense. Um and if you're requiring bike parking, adding more bike stalls, additional hardscaping underneath, and the separation distances, you may just be taking away more landscaping and tree to area. So it doesn't necessarily add those requirements just to meet the requirements when they're not being used, it does make sense. So the school boards do look at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 4928.525, "end": 4951.965, "text": "If there was like demand for bike stalls, they do add extra when they find the school actually uses it. They'll look and they'll add more staff parking when they can. So just because we're not requiring it, it doesn't mean the school board doesn't do their own analysis of what is actually being used and required, and they will add it if they feel it's necessary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4952.385, "end": 4958.885, "text": "I get that to a certain degree, but it's also a little bit of like build it, create it, right? And it's like, yeah, I wouldn't want my kid" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 4959.065, "end": 5015.685, "text": "Biking around in a place that now has six portables more worth of cars directly around the school, right? Like it is how all of these things are encouraged and discouraged that all play into each other. So not having enough bike parking and also the bike parking that is provided is often quite lackluster. You can lock up on the two sides of many of those bike parkings that are provided, but not actually in any of the middle spots because you're not only locking your front tire, although that's that's a way to uh to lose your bike, right? So we actually are not providing great infrastructure in and around this that actually encourages, yeah, I'm gonna leave my bike out for the eight hours while I'm in school and know that I'm gonna come back and find my bike afterwards. So it's I think it is a combination of these things. And I just worry that when you add the cars in, then the drop off, you're discouraging." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5016.345, "end": 5018.545, "text": "biking to and from school." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5019.065, "end": 5023.465, "text": "How do we how do we rectify that uh yeah with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5024.205, "end": 5026.305, "text": "With the landed population here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5026.305, "end": 5026.525, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5026.545, "end": 5040.845, "text": "Yeah, we definitely don't want to just I guess discourage biking, but be if instead of maybe adding bike saws, they could upgrade and make better bike saws, right, for the site. They're not just paying to add more." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5041.205, "end": 5041.345, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5041.545, "end": 5046.005, "text": "So it gives the school boards more flexibility to allocate funds when they need to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5049.685, "end": 5065.285, "text": "Yes, thank thank you, Chair. And uh I think the the discussion is is really interesting from the perspective of the the challenges that schools face, depending on location, but it's both in new communities and in existing communities, but the solutions are different. And I think what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5065.965, "end": 5108.185, "text": "The the risk we have of have it requiring the development permit as being the gate to allowing schools to go before we figure out all these things is what the delay is because we have the capacity issue. So this report is really trying to address, yes, you can have the portables, but what I'm hearing around the table is there's we need a continued conversation through JUCC to talk about how do we manage ongoing transportation access safety issues in and around schools in general, regardless of whether it's six portables. But the development permit is often not the place to solve the problem because the school has limited funding. They have timing, they have to get the portables on there, and then it's the city in a position of saying, well, we won't give you the schools." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5108.865, "end": 5124.185, "text": "And that's just not a realistic position for the for the development authority to do that to deal with issues that are beyond what would typically be a development permit for just the portable, because it's sometimes the original school site that has challenges. So I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5124.385, "end": 5139.225, "text": "just trying to keep this discussion on scope to council's risk tolerance for allowing six portables without a development permit. It's not about not doing all the other things if that helps provide clarity. But that might need a different process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5141.785, "end": 5160.965, "text": "Uh I hear that, but like, yeah, I guess but when you're removing also both the class one and class two stalls, right? Like I I was digging in on the bylaw sort of side of things, and we're removing both those elements. Like so it's not even the high quality lockups, we're just we're removing the requirements across the board. Are we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5161.345, "end": 5211.905, "text": "Yeah. Did we right-size it? Did we like I think a certain amount of certainty and expectation around what schools need to be providing outside of just capacity and classrooms in terms of being able to get kids to and from schools safely and these kinds of pieces, that's really what these bylaws are there to serve. And and if we're increasing the overall population while not bringing to bear creative solutions for that increased population at the school, I worry, I worry a bit that we, I don't know that that the relaxations and and even just to hear that we've just been doing these as relaxations, get the schools out, but we've been doing that now for 10 years and no creative solution. I don't see school streets being rolled out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5212.065, "end": 5212.985, "text": "Oh, no offense," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5212.985, "end": 5213.285, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5213.285, "end": 5219.745, "text": "Counselor Atkinson. But this all sounds like debate as opposed to uh even a question. If you have a question," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5219.765, "end": 5220.065, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5220.065, "end": 5220.965, "text": "please ask it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5221.085, "end": 5225.865, "text": "Yeah. I yeah. I guess I'm just trying to make up uh like un understand" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5226.145, "end": 5227.905, "text": "whether I can uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5227.905, "end": 5228.705, "text": "You're thinking out loud." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5228.705, "end": 5229.725, "text": "put put this uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5230.025, "end": 5232.645, "text": "yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah, I'll I'll end it there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5233.165, "end": 5240.245, "text": "Okay, thanks. But you're welcome to provide that comment during debate. Uh council Counselor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5240.685, "end": 5241.665, "text": "I think you're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5241.665, "end": 5241.945, "text": "Yes, sir." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5241.945, "end": 5242.345, "text": "some questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5242.905, "end": 5247.385, "text": "Um was this initiated by the I'm just curious, by the province or the city?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5248.045, "end": 5255.665, "text": "So the city, so community planning, the file managers, they kept seeing all these relaxations come in. They're very minor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5256.905, "end": 5267.625, "text": "But because it requires the relaxation for one or two parking stalls, it adds on the advertising period as 21 days, 28 days." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5268.105, "end": 5269.365, "text": "And then it opens up" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5269.525, "end": 5270.385, "text": "sorry," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5272.945, "end": 5274.765, "text": "opens it up for appeal," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5275.225, "end": 5281.305, "text": "which could further extend timelines. And so when you're look thinking about opening for the new school year," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5281.465, "end": 5289.645, "text": "the province has been announcing the portables later. This year was April, previous years usually January or February." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5289.885, "end": 5300.005, "text": "So they're really getting into like the crunch time trying to deliver these. So the extra advertising is super important in order that for them to deliver it on time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5301.765, "end": 5310.005, "text": "So it was city initiated just based on what we've been seeing and what administration has been comfortable with relaxing when" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5310.165, "end": 5312.225, "text": "taking in the applications." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5313.365, "end": 5333.405, "text": "Well, I like this. I think it's a fantastic way to support the school boards in the growing communities. We have a school shortage. Everybody knows that. Any of the anyone with the kids know that? So uh I like this uh this approach to it's so I see this sort of as a red tape reduction to be able to get portables faster." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 5333.805, "end": 5339.965, "text": "Placed and and and kids in the classroom quicker. So uh I think it's a great initiative. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5340.445, "end": 5341.125, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5345.425, "end": 5346.945, "text": "Thanks, Councilor Jameson. I um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5348.505, "end": 5352.545, "text": "I'll uh see if there's someone who would like to move the recommendations. Counselor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5353.305, "end": 5353.565, "text": "Oh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5354.325, "end": 5356.005, "text": "oh sorry, just saw you come out there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5356.665, "end": 5366.445, "text": "Just one brief question. When uh for the development permit timelines, um, some of the delays have been related to release. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5367.505, "end": 5375.865, "text": "this can you clarify? This to me seems like it helps the decision come faster. Will this also help the release leg come down as well?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5375.865, "end": 5403.885, "text": "Yes, so hopefully reducing the complexity of just the application review, we get to the decision faster. The release, based on prior to release conditions, sometimes they require like engineering or the DSSP review. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5404.705, "end": 5407.645, "text": "we don't see those actually too often." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5408.325, "end": 5413.445, "text": "Like those larger requirements. So it does depend on the actual application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5414.565, "end": 5425.425, "text": "But this will definitely speed up to get discision, remove the chance for appeal. There won't be any confusion whether relaxation is actually" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5426.245, "end": 5427.745, "text": "being done. And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5428.225, "end": 5433.925, "text": "you're saving four months for the school boards not having to wait for a merit hearing at SCAB." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5434.245, "end": 5434.805, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5435.085, "end": 5444.545, "text": "And and then in that case, in this context, release is really more site specific based on the complications of the site, which is not something we can bylaw our way out of." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 5444.545, "end": 5444.885, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5444.885, "end": 5446.085, "text": "Okay, perfect. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5447.345, "end": 5448.425, "text": "Like to move the recommendation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5449.185, "end": 5450.785, "text": "I can move it. It is moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5451.565, "end": 5452.665, "text": "Okay, it's now on the floor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5452.965, "end": 5458.225, "text": "Uh Counselor Johnson, you wanted to weigh in on the debate. I'll go to you first." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 5459.805, "end": 5462.825, "text": "Yeah, sorry, can you hear me? I just want to make sure my my mic's working." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5463.025, "end": 5463.865, "text": "No, we can't hear you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 5465.865, "end": 5469.325, "text": "Okay. So you can hear me. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 5470.365, "end": 5478.685, "text": "Yeah. So I just wanted to briefly mention um on mid park drive we have a bike lane. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 5479.185, "end": 5482.265, "text": "and it takes away one of the entire" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 5483.385, "end": 5486.725, "text": "driving lanes in front of a school, which is causing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 5487.445, "end": 5496.285, "text": "massive backups for pickup and drop off, and nobody's using the bike lane. Right? A lot of these outer schools, um, kids are coming from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 5496.545, "end": 5500.505, "text": "Sometimes on the other side of Fish Creek, they've they have to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 5500.965, "end": 5510.525, "text": "drive or take the school bus or or however to get to these. So I mean simply just adding bike lanes everywhere actually makes the traffic worse because again," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 5510.985, "end": 5529.065, "text": "not as many people as you think are using bike lanes, especially in the winter time. So um I would definitely invite Councillor Atkinson to come down to Mindapur and and sit there during a drop off and just see how many people actually use bikes. So um I would just to the item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 5529.445, "end": 5539.465, "text": "This is a great initiative. I mean we need more schools. We need to lower class sizes. This is a way to cut the red tape. Um I hope everybody can support this. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 5540.585, "end": 5541.065, "text": "thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5543.065, "end": 5546.185, "text": "Thank you. I'm gonna weigh in on the debate here as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5546.885, "end": 5552.445, "text": "Um I I have similar concerns in regards to pick up and drop off, um, but I don't believe that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5553.005, "end": 5553.825, "text": "that um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5554.145, "end": 5556.045, "text": "this is going to create" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5556.585, "end": 5557.085, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5557.465, "end": 5558.325, "text": "significantly" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5558.545, "end": 5558.885, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5559.605, "end": 5563.265, "text": "significant additional challenges in regards to the existing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5563.805, "end": 5565.025, "text": "uh conditions that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5565.685, "end": 5565.945, "text": "that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5566.425, "end": 5567.145, "text": "um are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5568.225, "end": 5568.485, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5569.125, "end": 5570.045, "text": "already there" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5570.205, "end": 5572.265, "text": "with regards to set several of the schools. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5572.905, "end": 5578.025, "text": "think the process to address that is something that we should be considering outside of this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5578.305, "end": 5579.565, "text": "amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5580.185, "end": 5583.705, "text": "and maybe recommendations to the joint use planning um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5584.245, "end": 5589.225, "text": "Uh joint use coordinating committee uh through the joint use agreement or something" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5589.585, "end": 5593.485, "text": "to look at how do we can mitigate some of these challenges on a go forward basis. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5594.025, "end": 5595.165, "text": "I think this is um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5595.365, "end": 5596.985, "text": "uh a good amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5597.585, "end": 5599.265, "text": "to um accelerate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5599.945, "end": 5600.445, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5600.665, "end": 5603.945, "text": "the use of portables because we do have an increased" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5604.465, "end": 5609.125, "text": "uh demand. We've had such a huge increase in populations, it can all can't all be addressed with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5609.505, "end": 5610.445, "text": "building new schools" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5610.965, "end": 5613.665, "text": "because all we're doing is giving the province an excuse to raise our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5613.965, "end": 5615.865, "text": "our taxes to build more schools." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5616.305, "end": 5617.905, "text": "Let's allow more portables" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5618.325, "end": 5619.005, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5620.585, "end": 5621.765, "text": "facilitate that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5621.965, "end": 5623.445, "text": "and minim minimize the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5623.865, "end": 5625.585, "text": "increase uh uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5626.105, "end": 5628.685, "text": "requirements for additional schools." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5629.385, "end": 5632.905, "text": "Um hopefully some of it can be addressed through this process rather than" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5633.605, "end": 5634.145, "text": "by building" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5634.445, "end": 5635.585, "text": "completely new facilities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5636.025, "end": 5637.725, "text": "So happy to support this. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5638.025, "end": 5639.325, "text": "and I will now go to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5640.985, "end": 5642.385, "text": "Councilor Pantasopoulos for debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5642.725, "end": 5648.885, "text": "Thanks so much. Happy to support this as well because I think this is one opportunity where you'll immediately see the direct result." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 5649.045, "end": 5694.345, "text": "In April, 189 portables were approved across the city of Calgary by the province. Thank you so much, CBE and Calgary Catholic, and that's going to go to every single quadrant, every single ward. And if we can save four months, uh, that becomes a huge. It probably doesn't save this school year, but as we look into 27, 28. And you know, what I'd love is just that that I think there's some information that we request, you know, that seventh and how do we do there? And there's lots of considerations which we'll take offline. But the fact that we'll be able to point to and save that time and get kids into schools quicker, faster, and save that four months is is a great. And hopefully there's some learnings where there has been relaxations. You know, I encourage administration to come back and say, hey, this has been our consistent, whether it's related to schools, roads, or something in between, uh, just how we can speed up that process to save money but also time. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5695.745, "end": 5698.145, "text": "Thanks, Councilor Pantasopoulos, Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5699.385, "end": 5711.125, "text": "Um just a correction for Councillor Johnson. This has nothing to do with bike lanes. This is about bike parking on the sites. But uh just so you you make sure you're voting on the right thing here. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5711.465, "end": 5714.185, "text": "I will support this. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 5714.765, "end": 5764.825, "text": "I do think though that this is putting pressure on JUCC to now go back. If this is now formalized and we are sort of making these changes, I think it is on JUCC to go back and make sure that we are starting to address this and starting to take a really holistic look at how the impacts on this sort of sped up process, and we now know that these relaxations are in place, that we really need to look at things like school streets, like uh our the ways we're encouraging different modes of getting to school pedestrian biking, these kinds of pieces. Uh it's just the the natural next step to further this work. Um but yes, absolutely, we need more schools. Uh and I think that the bulk of what's going on here makes sense. We just need to make sure that we're following it up with that next bit of work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5766.065, "end": 5766.505, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5768.205, "end": 5769.425, "text": "Not seeing any other" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5769.905, "end": 5772.225, "text": "requests back to you, Councillor Schmidt, to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5772.685, "end": 5779.705, "text": "Yeah, I think overall this is uh something that needs to be done. Uh certainly" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5780.565, "end": 5792.105, "text": "I think focusing on well, come to my ward and see this, or come to my ward and see this is not getting to the point of what this is trying to do. We can work out all of those specific things where" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5792.345, "end": 5795.725, "text": "we might have issues or might have goals as far as." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5796.865, "end": 5804.085, "text": "How this is done in the future, but the fact is that this needs to be done. And we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5804.245, "end": 5808.765, "text": "the perfect is the enemy of the good. So if we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5809.585, "end": 5835.165, "text": "maybe have a couple of things to work out around transportation, biking, whatever it may be, it's not about pitting those things against one another. Uh, because ultimately, I mean, for my own kid, I would rather her have a place to go to school than for her to have a perfect place to go to school. Uh, and where we find ourselves is not going to give us a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5835.945, "end": 5851.605, "text": "A final point of perfection. And by focusing on those things with this, I think we are getting beyond the point of what this is trying to do. So I hope everybody can support this and we can tinker down the road if tinkering is needed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 5852.505, "end": 5853.085, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5854.245, "end": 5855.425, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5856.025, "end": 5857.985, "text": "If I can have everyone go to East Cribe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5865.105, "end": 5866.325, "text": "after I reboot it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5870.045, "end": 5871.625, "text": "Councillor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5877.165, "end": 5878.625, "text": "Thank you. Chair Shabot, all votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5879.445, "end": 5880.705, "text": "Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5883.765, "end": 5886.785, "text": "That motion is carried nine to zero. Thank you very much. Thanks for your presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5887.665, "end": 5890.285, "text": "Next item before us is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5892.265, "end": 5894.165, "text": "item 7.4," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5894.385, "end": 5896.185, "text": "Center City Enterprise Update." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 5905.365, "end": 5912.205, "text": "Good morning, members of committee. My name is Steve Wersba, and I'm the leader of Downtown Investments with the Downtown Strategy Team." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 5912.785, "end": 5917.225, "text": "I'm joined by Joshua DeYoung, Leader of Client Services with Downtown Strategy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 5917.925, "end": 5923.205, "text": "And we're here today to provide an update on the Center City Enterprise Area exemptions in the land use bylaw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 5923.545, "end": 5926.325, "text": "and bring forward a related land use bylaw amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 5927.485, "end": 5932.665, "text": "Before I begin my presentation, I would like to bring your attention to a correction in the title of the report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 5932.845, "end": 5941.565, "text": "The correct title is Center City Enterprise Area Update. A revised cover report has been provided to the clerks for distribution. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 5944.265, "end": 5949.945, "text": "Through this report, administration is bringing forward the following recommendations, which I will speak to through the presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 5950.385, "end": 5951.525, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 5954.085, "end": 5968.425, "text": "We are returning to committee as directed at the 2023 June 20th public hearing public hearing council meeting, where council approved land use bylaw amendment 34P 2023, extending the expiry of certain provisions of the Center City Enterprise Area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 5968.985, "end": 5978.865, "text": "Council also directed administration to explore future amendments to the center city enterprise area and report back to Council no later than Q3 2026. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 5981.385, "end": 5987.885, "text": "In 2015, Calgary was experiencing the height of an economic downturn with record high vacancy rates in the downtown core." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 5988.385, "end": 6019.425, "text": "Council authorized administration to bring forward an amendment to the land use bylaw to address this crisis, and the Center City Enterprise Area, or CCEA, was developed. The CCEA is an overlay within the land use bylaw that allows for the exemption of certain elements, certain development permit applications. It was instituted with the intent of making it easier for tenants and businesses to set up operations through change of use exemptions and for building owners to accommodate and attract new tenants through exterior renovations and addition exemptions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6020.685, "end": 6026.045, "text": "In June 2017, Council approved the initial bylaw amendment that established the CCEA." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6027.045, "end": 6038.065, "text": "In June 2019, Council approved a bylaw amendment that made the change of use exemptions of the CCEA permanent and extended the expiry of non permanent sections of the CCEA until 2021." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6038.425, "end": 6049.025, "text": "And in 2021 and 2023, Council approved bylaw amendments, which again extended the expiry of those non permanent sections of the C CEA until December 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6050.085, "end": 6062.525, "text": "So, considering the proven success of these exemptions, administration is recommending a bylaw amendment to make all provisions of the CCEA permanent, continuing the city's support of downtown business and development. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6065.785, "end": 6071.945, "text": "Since its implementation, the CCEA has been successful in stimulating and incentivizing business in the downtown core." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6072.505, "end": 6091.545, "text": "Applicants save anywhere from 60 to 120 days at minimum by being exempt from the development permit process, and data indicates that from 2023 to 2025, an average of 192 development permits were exempted in the CCEA each year, saving customers approximately 7,900 days each year on average." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6092.325, "end": 6101.085, "text": "These time savings have also been appreciated by administration, allowing for more efficient service delivery and resource allocation for additional projects and initiatives." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6102.245, "end": 6117.865, "text": "In addition, the CCEA has been a key component in the successful execution of the downtown office conversion program, with full building office to residential conversions representing some of the most significant projects in terms of scale and cost to be exempt from development permits." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6118.025, "end": 6135.945, "text": "Time and cost savings thanks to the CCEA are contributing factors to the redevelopment viabilities of these buildings. And incentive program conversion projects that were exempt from a development permit saved approximately $500,000 on average, thanks to reduced consulting fees and other development permit-related costs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6136.305, "end": 6137.385, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6139.245, "end": 6145.125, "text": "This concludes my presentation. The recommendations are before you, and we would be happy to answer any questions you may have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6145.285, "end": 6145.945, "text": "Thanks very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6146.625, "end": 6149.625, "text": "Thank you for your presentation before I go to members of council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6150.245, "end": 6153.445, "text": "I'll ask if there's any members of the public that wish to speak to this item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6156.525, "end": 6158.085, "text": "Any members of the public?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6160.725, "end": 6161.745, "text": "Not seeing any." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6162.545, "end": 6163.565, "text": "We'll now go to committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6165.325, "end": 6167.065, "text": "Don't see anybody jumping to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6167.885, "end": 6168.505, "text": "pump." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6168.905, "end": 6170.325, "text": "Council Panthersopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6170.325, "end": 6190.865, "text": "Just really quick, thanks for the presentation. I think it's such a material contribution, $500,000. And it sounds like we don't give up a lot, and I think it should be celebrated. How do we extend these learnings and this sort of working with industry uh across the city? We've we've held it at 17th Ave, you know, 8th Ave or 7th Av, I I couldn't tell from the map, regardless, just that downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6191.405, "end": 6195.105, "text": "What about extending just a wee bit more? We've seen a lot of developments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6195.545, "end": 6198.525, "text": "A little more west, a little more east, et cetera." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6198.885, "end": 6202.345, "text": "What learnings could we extend beyond just this downtown" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6202.545, "end": 6203.065, "text": "core" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6203.965, "end": 6204.605, "text": "and the belt line?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6205.325, "end": 6226.085, "text": "Thanks. Yeah, I would say that these learnings could be extended through the work that's ongoing through the new zoning bylaw and the city building program, whether it's immediately adjacent to the existing boundary or farther out into the city in specific nodes or citywide. So that's something that could be considered through the zoning bylaw. My colleague Josh can probably expand on that a little bit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 6226.505, "end": 6243.865, "text": "Yeah, thank you, Steve, and thank you for the question. Um that is correct. So in the current draft of the line uh the zoning bylaw, you will see provisions to exempt change of use in commercial, industrial, and mixed use zones. So there that's the spirit of CCA living on. Um yeah, correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 6244.465, "end": 6256.725, "text": "No, I really appreciate that and allow and for committee to allow me to just go down a path and relate it. But I think important take these learnings we just heard from the schools. Here's a learning, here's a reality, let's make a change. Here's a reality, let's make a change. So thanks so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6259.705, "end": 6261.965, "text": "Thanks. I have a couple questions as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6262.725, "end": 6263.325, "text": "The um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6265.845, "end": 6270.205, "text": "it says uh the exemptions for exterior alterations" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6270.905, "end": 6272.105, "text": "and additions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6272.605, "end": 6273.025, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6273.305, "end": 6275.485, "text": "uh additions typically would still need" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6276.005, "end": 6277.725, "text": "um if it's a structural" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6278.885, "end": 6284.745, "text": "facility would have to have an engineer sign off on it, right? That would be done to what? Just a building permit then?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6285.025, "end": 6289.965, "text": "Yeah, the the engineering components related to the structure would be covered and reviewed through the building permit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6290.825, "end": 6302.985, "text": "And specifically for additions, it would have to be an addition that's within the existing building envelope where it's not having an effect on other elements of the site. Once you're changing the site plan, those those processes would go through a development permit process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6303.345, "end": 6304.845, "text": "And so when we talk about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6305.345, "end": 6308.885, "text": "exterior alterations as long as there's no structural element," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6310.105, "end": 6317.845, "text": "Well, it could involve structural elements, but again, that would be covered through the building permit review process, which is all unchanged by being exempt from the development permit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6318.125, "end": 6319.245, "text": "they'll have to meet" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6319.645, "end": 6320.885, "text": "an engineering" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6321.505, "end": 6323.705, "text": "review and stamp by an engineer to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6324.025, "end": 6324.765, "text": "Correct, yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6326.265, "end": 6329.505, "text": "Yeah, no, I think it's been very beneficial. I thought we had actually" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6329.965, "end": 6331.085, "text": "done some pilots" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6331.345, "end": 6336.205, "text": "of enterprise uh areas in other places, like along some of the main streets in the past." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6336.825, "end": 6340.485, "text": "Uh beyond just the center city. So it is something that we had pursued or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6341.145, "end": 6342.325, "text": "investigated in the past." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6342.625, "end": 6348.485, "text": "That's correct. It was instituted as part of the Main Streets project, I believe, near the outset" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6349.005, "end": 6355.565, "text": "of the CCEA as a one year pilot. That pilot wasn't renewed after that first year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6355.825, "end": 6359.445, "text": "Okay, so my memory isn't failing me. It's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6359.805, "end": 6365.765, "text": "it is something that we have looked at and and do we know what kind of success we had in those pilot programs?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6366.925, "end": 6385.465, "text": "I don't have specific info on on the success uh through for those other areas through the Main Streets program. Uh I just know that uh the team responsible for sort of overseeing that portion uh and that uh section of the CCA uh didn't choose to pursue it after the one year pilot. I don't believe it was in regards to any sort of negative impact of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6385.985, "end": 6390.925, "text": "Yeah, so change of use as long as it's within the existing uses for that district," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6391.445, "end": 6392.605, "text": "just goes to building permits." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6393.705, "end": 6394.305, "text": "Yeah, that's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6394.645, "end": 6395.465, "text": "Okay, thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6395.705, "end": 6403.425, "text": "Yeah, no, I I know it's been quite successful, so happy to support it. Thanks. Uh next up we have Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6404.225, "end": 6404.705, "text": "Just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6405.285, "end": 6416.785, "text": "the map is not the greater downtown, as we know, for a greater downtown strategy. Just wondering about that inconsistency, the missing Eau Claire, Chinatown, and uh East Village areas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6417.485, "end": 6478.845, "text": "Yeah, I can speak to that. So each of those areas were excluded from the Center City Enterprise area at the outset in 2017 when it was brought forward. There's a variety of reasons, each kind of unique to those communities. In the case of Eau Claire, the community is predominantly residential, and any large vacant parking sites, parking sites would be comprehensively developed and would need a development permit regardless. Both in Chinatown and the East Village, there was policy work and new land use districts that were underway in those areas at the same time as the CCEA coming into practice. We wanted to allow those other policy processes to run their course and have their desired effect before considering including them in the CCEA. And so we have discussed with those community associations and those BIAs around potential future inclusion, and that's something they're interested in discussing through the appropriate mechanisms. So that would be through the zoning bylaw updates that are coming next year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6479.265, "end": 6488.185, "text": "So that's when it will sort of be reviewed whether to sort of expand the the zone is with along the zoning uh bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6488.185, "end": 6492.545, "text": "Correct. Yeah, that'll give us the the correct sort of framework to have those engagement discussions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 6492.625, "end": 6493.885, "text": "Great. Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6498.485, "end": 6500.645, "text": "Counselor Atkinson, Counselor Wines." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6501.925, "end": 6505.785, "text": "thanks uh councillor got a little bit way of the way there but I'm looking at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6506.485, "end": 6507.085, "text": "some of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6507.825, "end": 6513.045, "text": "how are you evaluating the risk of we've seen what we've seen globally so when you look at exterior how are we talking" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6513.245, "end": 6517.145, "text": "to make sure the material doesn't create a fire hazard like what we saw in the Grenville building" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6517.485, "end": 6518.125, "text": "in the UK" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6518.685, "end": 6522.545, "text": "Or the modifications to the building of what we're watching in New York in the Pfizer building." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6523.525, "end": 6527.645, "text": "Because yeah, we want to remove red tape, but you still have to maintain safety. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6527.985, "end": 6529.965, "text": "how do you balance those two pieces?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6530.485, "end": 6564.425, "text": "Yeah, that's a great question. And so I would just sort of echo the sentiment that the entire process around reviewing life safety and building code elements, that process is unchanged by the sort of the power of the CCA in removing that development permit. They're reviewing that those conditions through the building permit the same way as if if a development permit were in place or not. So that's definitely a relevant topic that's come up lately, and I think it's something that could be considered through development, building, and business services and the building permit review process to make sure that that is adequate in addressing those things." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6565.405, "end": 6566.685, "text": "Okay. And then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6567.525, "end": 6573.665, "text": "that's still tra traceable for like our first responders and understanding what kind of say say the exterior clouding, like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6573.845, "end": 6574.165, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6574.325, "end": 6577.405, "text": "when you look at the post report of Grenfell, there's gaps that lead to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6577.785, "end": 6581.805, "text": "the hidden fire piece. Even though we have building code, there's still gaps in other orders of government," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6582.125, "end": 6583.305, "text": "making sure there's safety." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6583.585, "end": 6589.885, "text": "So is it trackable so that when the fire department were to respond to s one of these modifications that they would actually understand the modification has occurred?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6591.445, "end": 6605.965, "text": "I believe so. I don't think that the development permit mechanism wouldn't have any relation to the effectiveness or the ability for fire response or anything like that. We would have to look into other avenues to make sure though those processes are correct and up to standard." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6606.245, "end": 6612.585, "text": "Okay. And with this change, have have you evaluated any other systems that were dependent on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 6613.085, "end": 6616.005, "text": "the old operating system? What kind of feedback did you get?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6616.605, "end": 6643.005, "text": "Yeah, we we've gone through sort of um consistent risk assessment. This has been a pilot now for nine years, so making sure there aren't pinch points between what is not being reviewed through a DP and what it uh what the final outcome of a project is. Um and so speaking sort of cross corporately and even to our development inspection partners, we haven't identified, like I say, those key pinch points where we need to readdress the need for a DP in certain scenarios. It's been um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6643.405, "end": 6649.765, "text": "overwhelmingly positive in terms of feedback from industry and and we haven't identified any of those uh sort of oversight issues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6652.125, "end": 6654.845, "text": "Thanks, Councilor Wyness. Uh Counselor Schmidt, do you want to move this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6655.745, "end": 6661.405, "text": "Yeah, yes, I will uh move this and support it enthusiastically. I think it's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6662.225, "end": 6663.645, "text": "an important part of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6664.845, "end": 6674.365, "text": "revitalizing and energizing the productivity of our downtown and every little bit helps so uh it has my supports." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6677.185, "end": 6679.605, "text": "Thanks. Not seeing any more" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6679.925, "end": 6680.685, "text": "debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6685.585, "end": 6686.105, "text": "Please, Madam" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6686.385, "end": 6686.605, "text": "Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6687.145, "end": 6688.505, "text": "I think I need to close it still" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6688.845, "end": 6689.125, "text": "Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 6689.365, "end": 6690.205, "text": "but I will close it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 6706.485, "end": 6707.565, "text": "Chair, all votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6708.525, "end": 6709.905, "text": "Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6714.285, "end": 6717.785, "text": "Motion is carried unanimously. Again, thank you very much for your presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 6718.105, "end": 6718.305, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6724.565, "end": 6725.565, "text": "Next item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6725.745, "end": 6727.585, "text": "Is 7.5" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6728.205, "end": 6729.425, "text": "unless I missed something." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6730.725, "end": 6732.145, "text": "Proposed method of disposition." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6735.985, "end": 6736.265, "text": "Ms." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 6736.625, "end": 6738.365, "text": "Berry, you have a presentation for us, I assume." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 6749.685, "end": 6786.245, "text": "All right, good morning, committee. Uh, I'm Campbell Berry, Director of Real Estate and Development Services. I'm joined this morning by Mr. Reed Hendry, our Chief Housing Officer, Marcus Burgeons, Manager of Housing Investment, and Spencer McClerg, Manager of Real Estate Sales and Acquisitions. Mr. Hendry is going to present this morning, but before he begins, I wanted to highlight that the report has several confidential attachments. The attachments are confidential because they contain real estate information that, if publicly disclosed, could interfere with contractual negotiations or harm the economic interests of the city, such as revealing or negotiating, negotiating our financial positions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 6786.685, "end": 6802.885, "text": "These disclosure exceptions are outlined in the Municipal Government Act and sections 29 and 30 of the Access to Information Act. So we respectfully suggest that if committee would like to discuss specific properties or land values in the report, that we go into closed session." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 6803.465, "end": 6807.125, "text": "And with that, I'll turn it over to Chief Housing Officer, Mr. Hendry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6808.645, "end": 6828.645, "text": "Thank you, Director Barry. Um, as mentioned, the purpose of this report is to seek approval of the committee to recommend to council the disposition of various city-owned sites. This process serves as a crucial function to support the non-market housing sector in delivering much needed affordable homes for Calgarians. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6830.445, "end": 6854.905, "text": "The recommendations before you today are that uh first, infrastructure planning committee recommend that council authorize the recommendations as outlined in confidential attachment three, and direct that the closed meeting discussions remain uh the confidential recommendations and confidential attachments one through seven remain confidential pursuant to the various sections before you. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6856.625, "end": 6908.085, "text": "As this is the committee's first time seeing this, I wanted to provide a bit of history on this program. This program began back in 2017, eventually with a formal policy being approved by council in May of 2019, when council adopted the non-market housing land disposition policy to dispose of surplus city-owned land at below market value to experienced nonprofit housing providers. This policy created a structured, predictable, and consistent process for how land can be disposed of for the purpose of non market housing. Additionally, as part of this 2019 report, council further directed that administration report back with up to 10 separate development sites to be offered in a sales package not only in 2019, but for every two years thereafter." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6908.665, "end": 6939.865, "text": "Additionally, there was direction to ensure that the land being disposed of was coordinated with both provincial and federal funding application reviews so that resources from all levels of government could work together in the most effective way. Lastly, in April of 2023, the policy was further amended to support the delivery of affordable housing for Indigenous people living in Calgary and including additional consideration for land to be sold at nominal value to experienced Indigenous nonprofit housing providers. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6941.545, "end": 6981.285, "text": "The policy and disposition program are integrated into the Home Is here strategy. Related actions are included under Outcome 1 and Outcome 5, where we are focused on increasing the supply of housing to meet the needs of all Calgarians with a focus on commitments to reconciliate action, implementing targeted economic reconciliation actions for Indigenous populations. While we are, of course, returning to Council later this year with a strategy refresh. Based on our engagement with the sector to date, we do fully anticipate the commitments to utilizing city owned land for non market housing and improving Indigenous housing outcomes to remain a focal point of the refreshed strategy proposal. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6983.245, "end": 7016.725, "text": "The council policy is clear in its purpose to increase the supply of non-market housing, build capacity of the nonprofit and indigenous housing providers that we are providing access to the land, create a predictable and transparent disposition process, support reconciliation and indigenous housing outcomes, and lastly, this council policy establishes a clear administrative framework, procedures, and accountability for governance of identifying, evaluating, and disposing of surplus city land while ensuring long term affordability and stewardship of public assets. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7018.425, "end": 7102.845, "text": "As you will note, this is non-market land sale number six. So to briefly talk about the impact since 2017 and the formal policy approval in 2019, 20 sites representing over 15 acres of surplus city land have been approved by council for disposition through this process. An estimated 2,600 Calgarians will find safe and affordable places to call home through these projects. And already to date, over 700 Calgarians are currently housed in completed projects through this program. Council has contributed over $30 million in land equity, which has enabled housing providers to leverage over $100 million from other orders of government. With the disposition of properties in front of you today, we estimate the development of an additional 500 new non-market homes, housing another estimated 1,300 Calgarians. You will note a quote at the bottom of this slide. This is just one message we consistently hear from housing providers that without the support of below market value land, the financial model for non market housing does not work. By contributing land, the city unlocks millions of dollars in additional funding and enables nonprofit housing providers to build homes that will remain affordable for decades. It is one of the most cost effective ways Council can support the creation of new affordable housing. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7104.485, "end": 7119.425, "text": "And with that, once again, here are the recommendations before you today on behalf of administration. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you today about the importance of this council policy, and myself, as well as the various teams here, are happy to answer any questions you may have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7120.765, "end": 7123.225, "text": "Thank you, Ms. Hendry, for that uh presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7123.785, "end": 7128.305, "text": "Before I do that, I'm going to ask if there's any" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7128.725, "end": 7132.545, "text": "members of the public that would like to speak to the public presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7134.405, "end": 7136.525, "text": "Not seeing any, so I will now" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7136.745, "end": 7138.365, "text": "go back to the queue" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7139.505, "end": 7142.805, "text": "to see if there's uh interest." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7144.165, "end": 7145.525, "text": "To go in camera." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7148.945, "end": 7149.925, "text": "Council McClain," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7149.925, "end": 7150.365, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7150.365, "end": 7150.805, "text": "you're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7150.805, "end": 7152.125, "text": "Thanks Chair. Just a quick question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7152.325, "end": 7153.565, "text": "Because you had mentioned the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7154.345, "end": 7157.845, "text": "public submissions and I see we have submissions in our package," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7158.485, "end": 7161.085, "text": "all from the beneficiaries of the land, but what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7161.745, "end": 7168.725, "text": "type of outreach was made to the general public? Like we I don't see any of the Joe Public. I mean, a lot of times it's their tax dollars that are some" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7169.025, "end": 7170.005, "text": "being used" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7172.405, "end": 7178.085, "text": "maybe not used, but what type of outreach, I guess, is my question, to the general public, not just to the people." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7178.465, "end": 7180.225, "text": "We don't see any submissions from them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7181.245, "end": 7209.145, "text": "Thank you for the question. So, through the chair to Councilor McLean, there was no formal engagement done on this committee report. It's an item of you know non market land sale six, so it's a regular course of business. And so the uh the submissions that you see before you uh were not solicited. They were instead from groups that follow committee and council agendas and opted to pursue the public submission routes that are available to them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7209.345, "end": 7218.645, "text": "Yeah, that was just my question. I'm not going to expect anything other than praise and support. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7218.905, "end": 7220.505, "text": "yeah, that was my question. That's all." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7221.485, "end": 7224.845, "text": "I think what's before us is method of disposition, not specifically" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7225.485, "end": 7226.025, "text": "who" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7226.245, "end": 7228.225, "text": "the recipient will be of those lands" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7228.465, "end": 7229.585, "text": "or the proponent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7230.805, "end": 7232.045, "text": "Yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7235.505, "end": 7236.525, "text": "Counselor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7237.525, "end": 7238.105, "text": "Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7240.125, "end": 7242.245, "text": "Um yes, I was just wondering what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7242.705, "end": 7247.285, "text": "criteria determines whether a strategically located site" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7247.725, "end": 7252.745, "text": "is sold fee simple rather than retained under a long term ground lease?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7254.925, "end": 7279.385, "text": "So I maybe might look to my colleagues in Reds to define better how these sites are identified, but we we go through a rigorous process internally looking uh at a variety of different qualities of the sites, uh, density, city purpose. Uh, if it's out lasted, it's city purpose. I might turn it over to uh Director Barry to expand. Sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7280.365, "end": 7300.885, "text": "Thanks for the question. I'll just add to that since the inception of the program in 20 formally in 2019, all of the sites have gone for sale. That's not to say that they couldn't be leased, but that was the direction of previous councils. And I guess I'll leave it at that. It was the discretion of council to sell the sites. But it's a conversation that can be had." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7301.365, "end": 7301.705, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7302.765, "end": 7302.965, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7303.845, "end": 7304.805, "text": "I believe that would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7305.085, "end": 7307.085, "text": "need to be done in camera, would it not, Mr. Beer?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7307.405, "end": 7310.165, "text": "Yeah, we uh suggest that it be handled in camera." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7311.045, "end": 7311.385, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7312.705, "end": 7314.245, "text": "I I think that's all for me. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7318.145, "end": 7318.785, "text": "Councilor McLean?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7320.405, "end": 7325.165, "text": "Since this committee, I get a second question, right? I forgot to ask this one. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7325.905, "end": 7331.625, "text": "have have you had any outreach to the private sector? I always hear from that we were talking about lobbyist" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7331.805, "end": 7336.705, "text": "development registries, but the private sector, certain developers have always said to me," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7337.645, "end": 7342.905, "text": "Give me the same give me the land and I guarantee I'll build those houses quicker, faster and cheaper." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7343.605, "end": 7346.065, "text": "I know there's a Copter Act that prohibits them from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7346.725, "end": 7350.545, "text": "getting maybe some of the same tax breaks that maybe some of the nonprofits do, which" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7350.745, "end": 7352.305, "text": "I understand might be changing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7352.645, "end": 7354.945, "text": "at the provincial level. But I guess my question is," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7355.445, "end": 7357.605, "text": "is there any outreach to say to the private sector," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7358.145, "end": 7363.665, "text": "here, we'll give you the land, can and maybe to get back what they uh what they say they could do, you know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7365.265, "end": 7398.385, "text": "Yeah, so I think there's two ways to address your question, which I greatly appreciate. For the first, you know, the policy as directed by council back in 2019 defines the applicants as being charities, nonprofits, or societies. And so, due to the council approved policy, a for profit developer is not a valid applicant through this program. Secondly, however, though, uh all of these nonprofits that we work with, charities, societies, however they may uh distinguish themselves." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7398.905, "end": 7442.825, "text": "They are not general contractors, they're not the real estate sector, they are not builders. And so every single unit that has been built through this project, either under construction or completed, has been built by the private sector. We see immense collaboration from the nonprofit groups and the builders that are building these homes for Calgaryans. And without the private sector there to actually build the physical product, we wouldn't have the success of this program that we've seen to date. So the private sector, although not an applicant due to council direction, is very much an important part of the process. And we certainly leverage their expertise to get cost effectiveness on these units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7444.245, "end": 7450.625, "text": "Excellent. Thanks for that. I think that's we're on the same page. Their cost effectiveness value for dollars is paramount. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7451.665, "end": 7453.985, "text": "Thanks, Councilor McClain. Uh Councilor Pentosopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7454.245, "end": 7475.085, "text": "I just wanted to pick up on Councilor McClain's about that economic impact. Maybe just speak to the organizations absent this equity transfer, if you will, because we're below market and there's an equity uptick. Could these be developed? Like is there a realistic scenario that without this contribution, these organizations, would there be any chance?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7478.325, "end": 7561.545, "text": "I appreciate the question, and I don't want to assume the financial circumstances of every nonprofit, but I would say a general answer to your question is that land is a very expensive resource. Most nonprofit housing is developed through some sort of denser form, I will call it, which means the land comes at a reasonably high value. We're talking several millions of dollars per acre. And so that is a large sum for nonprofits to have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7562.705, "end": 7575.745, "text": "Yesterday you and I had a great chat at the executive committee about the the the value add, the $250 million, the billion dollars of economic contribution. And just want to pick up that on slide six." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7576.025, "end": 7584.305, "text": "Calgarines to be housed is twenty six um hundred uh it was that twenty six hundred units or or or home uh uh Calgaryans" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7584.625, "end": 7592.245, "text": "That that is 2600 Calgarians. Um and so it's the current program to date is uh is just over a thousand units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7592.385, "end": 7599.805, "text": "thousand units. So i I'm just thinking, you know, if you if you assume any construction value, like what what sort of value bump up" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7600.365, "end": 7602.905, "text": "uh does that contribute? I guess what I'm saying is um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7603.745, "end": 7631.345, "text": "thousand units if it's I guess that's my math it's three hundred million dollars of economic activity if you will if you just just pull a number out of a hat we're getting a ten times multiple is is that a fair like how should we think about this like our putting we're we're doing this we could have optionality with that thirty million dollars but we're accessing three hundred plus million maybe just just speak a bit about that because that's uh again just round numbers but but I think it's important that this is a 10x uh this is not just going into a dark hole but if you could speak to that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7632.225, "end": 7718.865, "text": "I really appreciate the question. So this is non-market land sale six, just as a bit of an explainer. This is non-market land sale six. Non-market land sale five is currently in the process of being awarded to successful applicants. So using non-market land sale number one to four, that represents municipally through both land and capital contributions. We have contributed approximately $39 million through those four rounds. And of that, so the $39 million that we contributed locally was then leveraged with $113 million through the province and the federal government through a variety of programs. So from there, you know, round numbers, we are $40 million to $115 million. And the total construction value of those projects is approximately $264 million. So it's not quite a 10x or a 10 to 1, but you know, 264 million to 39 million, we are north of a 6 to 1 contribution to economic impact in terms of construction value. And of course, we see an increased social return, people being able to regain the workforce, have stable housing, all the things that we see when people have adequate housing and their ability to contribute here in our great city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 7719.185, "end": 7722.785, "text": "great thank you so much for that uh that those numbers thank you so much Mr. Chair" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7728.445, "end": 7729.705, "text": "Sorry, that concludes your question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7730.345, "end": 7731.385, "text": "Thanks. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7731.885, "end": 7732.785, "text": "Counselor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7733.945, "end": 7734.825, "text": "Johnson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7735.185, "end": 7736.425, "text": "you had some questions?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7737.205, "end": 7741.025, "text": "Yep. My question is for uh Mr. Hendry. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7741.905, "end": 7742.865, "text": "what is the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7743.825, "end": 7745.105, "text": "how do I describe this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7746.065, "end": 7750.745, "text": "What are taxpayers losing out by selling this at uh below market value?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7751.145, "end": 7753.865, "text": "What is the total amount for these six uh sites?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7753.865, "end": 7755.405, "text": "Answer that question in public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7756.745, "end": 7758.525, "text": "I'm I can ask it in public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7759.025, "end": 7759.805, "text": "Sure. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7760.165, "end": 7762.685, "text": "but in in order to get an answer, we'll have to go in camera." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7763.425, "end": 7775.345, "text": "Well uh can you explain that to me? Like all I'm asking is what the difference is. I'm not asking what the sale total is. I'm asking what the market rate for these units would be for these sites." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7776.225, "end": 7776.805, "text": "That is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7777.785, "end": 7782.185, "text": "I mean, we could all look up the assessment value for these. I mean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7782.485, "end": 7784.885, "text": "I'm just asking for them to give us the total number." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7786.805, "end": 7788.345, "text": "I'll let administration respond to that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7790.305, "end": 7790.905, "text": "Please do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7791.525, "end": 7804.245, "text": "Yeah, we I think we can give a total number, um, to be fair. I just don't want to go into any specific number of sites uh or specific numbers associated with those sites, but I think we are looking at a uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7804.905, "end": 7806.185, "text": "Market value," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7806.445, "end": 7808.845, "text": "and I'll just confirm this with Mr. McClerg." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7809.765, "end": 7816.745, "text": "But uh market value, oh no, I've just got the two reserve sites here. Uh I'll just ask Mr. McClerg to come down." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7818.725, "end": 7821.785, "text": "The reason that I suggested what I did is because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7822.325, "end": 7825.945, "text": "those numbers are included in our confidential attachments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7826.245, "end": 7827.605, "text": "Yeah, but they're also public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7829.325, "end": 7830.225, "text": "as is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7834.605, "end": 7844.925, "text": "Just be I guess just because something is in a confidential attachment and also is in public, I would say we refer to it being public first and not confidential." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 7845.285, "end": 7847.085, "text": "the city contribution." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7847.385, "end": 7850.225, "text": "If if I can answer your question, Counselor I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 7850.645, "end": 7928.565, "text": "I believe it's important. So we we do identify in the public cover report that we are talking about seven sites. Those sites are located in different areas across the city. And we are simply recommending as administration that we speak about numbers in high level and aggregate due to not wanting to jeopardize potential future negotiations on these sites because we do not know the outcome of the discussions before us today. Should we opt to go in a different direction to maybe Counselor Ward's earlier point around sale versus lease or removing sites from the discussion before us today, we don't want to jeopardize any further negotiations that could happen on those parcels of land by divulging what we believe them to be valued at or what we have them valued at at, say, our book value and the improvements we've put on the site to date. And so that is why we are we are currently hesitating and working to find a number. But I think I'll turn it over to Director Barry to speak to the seven sites before us today and in aggregate. And please be rest assured, we are we are happy to go into camera, should that be the desire of committee, to get into the details on individual sites." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7930.765, "end": 7954.725, "text": "Thank you for that, Mr. Henry. Uh through the chair, uh happy to provide an aggregate number, but please be please know, committee, that this number, as uh uh Mr. Henry has said, can change. It can change in the discussions that you have in close session if you choose to do that. The number that we're looking at for the seven sites for the city contribution portion is uh just north of uh $12 million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7956.565, "end": 7961.465, "text": "Right. And would that be market value or is that assessed value from the city?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 7965.465, "end": 7966.325, "text": "Yeah, go ahead. Let's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 7967.525, "end": 7975.685, "text": "Yes, Counselor Schmidt, uh Spencer McCleric, manager of sales and acquisitions here. That number is the difference between the market value and the proposed sale price." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7975.825, "end": 7977.065, "text": "That was Council Johnson, by the way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 7977.065, "end": 7977.605, "text": "Contribution." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7977.805, "end": 7979.705, "text": "It was Council Johnson that was asking the question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7980.905, "end": 7981.165, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 7981.205, "end": 7984.125, "text": "I was probably looking at the person. My apologies, Counselor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7984.385, "end": 7985.485, "text": "That's okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7988.625, "end": 7989.185, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7989.425, "end": 7990.365, "text": "so okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7991.345, "end": 7995.685, "text": "I mean some of these plots of land are very uh lucrative. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 7996.165, "end": 7999.565, "text": "And I mean one of them is in my ward, I can say that, can't I?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8002.245, "end": 8002.745, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8002.885, "end": 8007.545, "text": "I'm sure you can't get into site-specific discussions in public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8008.045, "end": 8014.625, "text": "But okay, well the chair brought up the issue that um or maybe it was Councillor McLean, sorry, that uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8016.265, "end": 8021.965, "text": "the should we not address the public before making high level decisions like this? Like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8022.545, "end": 8023.125, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8025.445, "end": 8036.425, "text": "This is actually we need to probably get legal involved in this uh response, but it's it's not something that we can actually discuss in public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8038.765, "end": 8041.385, "text": "Okay. Um well I would suggest" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8042.785, "end": 8049.485, "text": "I mean stuff like this should be open to the public. I understand contract negotiations, real estate and that, but I mean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8049.945, "end": 8056.725, "text": "Um looking at some of these sites, I'm I'm not happy with uh potentially losing out on um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8057.305, "end": 8059.165, "text": "a lot of this money. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8060.825, "end": 8069.685, "text": "Counselor Johnson, I think those are very, very valid points that you're raising. Um and happy to have this discussion in camera" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8069.905, "end": 8072.865, "text": "so we can you know further elaborate and you can get." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8073.185, "end": 8075.065, "text": "Clarity or you can provide your" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8075.325, "end": 8076.225, "text": "direction" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8076.505, "end": 8080.025, "text": "as to what you think should or should not happen to some of these sites, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8080.245, "end": 8083.045, "text": "those discussions will need to take place in camera." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8085.845, "end": 8093.585, "text": "I'm just telling you the facts. So whether you agree or not, is if you want to have this discussion, we can only have them in camera." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8093.785, "end": 8101.425, "text": "So either you make a motion to go in camera and have this discussion, or or this this discussion is is not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8101.665, "end": 8105.245, "text": "is concluded insofar as getting into these details." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8106.125, "end": 8114.065, "text": "okay, well, insofar as we as council can vote not to go on camera and and have these discussions public. So it's up to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8114.065, "end": 8114.505, "text": "It's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8114.505, "end": 8115.225, "text": "MG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8115.225, "end": 8122.145, "text": "MGA. It's in the MGA, so council cannot circumvent rules and regulations in the municipal government" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8123.365, "end": 8125.925, "text": "I'm just saying we could vote not to go in camera to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8126.865, "end": 8129.625, "text": "hide it from the public. That's all I'm saying. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8130.705, "end": 8134.385, "text": "and not make any amendments to any of the recommendations. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8135.865, "end": 8136.705, "text": "Councillor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8137.665, "end": 8138.445, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8139.705, "end": 8142.345, "text": "Atkinson, I think." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8144.445, "end": 8144.765, "text": "Go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 8144.765, "end": 8146.325, "text": "Thanks so. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 8146.805, "end": 8160.285, "text": "If there was an existing building on a site that was a part of this that had tenants, what would be the process of taking care of the folks that were in that building if they were displaced through something like this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8161.165, "end": 8162.945, "text": "Uh apologies, I was distracted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 8162.945, "end": 8178.325, "text": "Sorry, if there was an existing building on one of these sites and there were tenants as a part of that, what would happen to the folks there that were in the existing building if a process like this was to take place?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8179.065, "end": 8218.125, "text": "Uh we make sure that we work with the current tenants of those sites to follow all of the ownership rights that they may have on those lands to ensure they're successfully transitioned out of the site. I would say from a non-market housing perspective, uh we are in an era of renewing assets that were built in the 50s or the 60s and either adding density or just refreshing those units. And so it is a fairly common practice to work with current occupants or tenants, as the case may be, on the various properties, uh, ensuring a successful exit from that site and allowing us to construct something new on the property." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 8218.305, "end": 8218.705, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 8219.085, "end": 8219.505, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8224.945, "end": 8232.025, "text": "Thanks, uh Countor Atkinson. Um does somebody want to make a motion to go in camera to have uh some additional discussions on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8232.505, "end": 8233.365, "text": "Councilor Johnson. Sorry, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8233.365, "end": 8235.605, "text": "Can I ask uh one more question of admin?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8236.765, "end": 8238.425, "text": "Sure. Council Johnson, go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8239.225, "end": 8242.065, "text": "Okay. Um on some of these land sites we'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8242.405, "end": 8244.805, "text": "These fall under um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8245.045, "end": 8256.305, "text": "sorry, when would we find out what the land use change would be for these sites going forward? Would it fall closer to the Calgary plan or what would these sites revert to?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8258.765, "end": 8341.525, "text": "These sites are unrelated to the Calgary Plan. They are individual sites that we work with the eventual applicants on the site to see what their vision is. So for clarity, for committee, what we are talking about today is a method of disposition. And so getting guidance and having a discussion of how we potentially release these sites for sale or lease, as we've heard discussed. After that point, we uh it should there be an approval, there is a program that my team undergoes where we release these sites publicly. We receive applications from charities and nonprofits, and those applications vary. Some groups, for example, on the same site might say, I would like to do a townhome development representing 20 units, and some might say, I'd like to do a three-story or a four-story apartment building representing this many units. And so we go through that application process with the future applicants, and at that point there may be a requirement to change the zoning of the land, or there may not be. And of course, anything related to zoning and a change in use would come before council to discuss at that time. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 8343.205, "end": 8345.645, "text": "Okay, I appreciate that clarification. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8347.645, "end": 8349.825, "text": "Thanks, Councilor Johnson. Uh Councilor Wyness." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8351.625, "end": 8354.365, "text": "Counselor Wyness, did you want to make a motion to go in camera?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8355.485, "end": 8359.005, "text": "Okay, a motion to go in camera is on the floor. Any debate around the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8359.425, "end": 8362.385, "text": "motion to go in camera? If not, I'll ask the clerks to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8363.565, "end": 8365.765, "text": "each crime on the motion to go on camera." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 8370.445, "end": 8371.625, "text": "And that we can do" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 8372.085, "end": 8373.445, "text": "just because you sent the wording yesterday." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8382.745, "end": 8384.045, "text": "Counselor McClain, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8386.125, "end": 8386.485, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8386.985, "end": 8387.345, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8388.325, "end": 8389.625, "text": "Chair Shabot, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8391.205, "end": 8391.685, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 8392.285, "end": 8393.625, "text": "Thank you. Chair all votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8394.425, "end": 8395.805, "text": "Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8398.265, "end": 8401.285, "text": "Motion is carried eight to one with Councilor Johnson voting against." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8401.845, "end": 8403.145, "text": "We are recessed" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8404.245, "end": 8405.225, "text": "to in camera." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 19715.005, "end": 19719.625, "text": "The infrastructure and planning committee will resume in public meetings shortly. Please make your way back to chamber." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20075.465, "end": 20076.485, "text": "Uh roll call please" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20081.945, "end": 20084.005, "text": "Thank you, on the roll. Counselor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20086.985, "end": 20087.805, "text": "Counselor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20090.025, "end": 20092.025, "text": "Counselor Dollywall, Counselor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20092.965, "end": 20093.825, "text": "Counselor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20095.625, "end": 20096.425, "text": "Counselor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 20098.105, "end": 20098.465, "text": "President" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20099.145, "end": 20099.705, "text": "Councillor McClain," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 20100.685, "end": 20101.005, "text": "here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20101.465, "end": 20102.685, "text": "Counselor Panthezopoulos," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20103.525, "end": 20104.265, "text": "Counselor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20105.305, "end": 20107.085, "text": "Counselor Tyres, Counselor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20108.125, "end": 20109.085, "text": "Counselor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20109.845, "end": 20110.625, "text": "Councilor Yule," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20112.285, "end": 20114.605, "text": "Mayor Fargus, and Chair Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20115.125, "end": 20115.445, "text": "present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20116.165, "end": 20116.985, "text": "Chair, we do have form." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20117.725, "end": 20117.965, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20119.245, "end": 20120.565, "text": "Can I get uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20122.045, "end": 20123.585, "text": "some counselor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20124.225, "end": 20125.205, "text": "Schmidt to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20125.525, "end": 20126.445, "text": "move to horizon?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 20127.305, "end": 20128.585, "text": "Move to Ryzen Report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20132.345, "end": 20134.845, "text": "Uh do we need to go to East Crime for that, Madam Clerk?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20137.305, "end": 20138.145, "text": "Or just a voice vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20139.245, "end": 20141.185, "text": "Um on that motion, are we agreed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20141.925, "end": 20142.605, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20142.765, "end": 20143.885, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20146.525, "end": 20149.825, "text": "Uh Councilor Wine S. I'll go to you to move uh recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 20150.365, "end": 20152.525, "text": "Thanks. Uh I'll remove the recommendations" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 20152.765, "end": 20153.305, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 20153.485, "end": 20154.125, "text": "my amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20155.465, "end": 20157.525, "text": "The recommendations I think incorporates that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20159.305, "end": 20159.845, "text": "So I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20160.005, "end": 20160.525, "text": "I'm not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 20162.065, "end": 20162.325, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20163.165, "end": 20163.665, "text": "about that one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 20168.305, "end": 20169.165, "text": "Yep, that's the same minute." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20169.045, "end": 20171.325, "text": "So let's just um call that one first." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 20179.685, "end": 20180.105, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 20181.985, "end": 20185.645, "text": "Mr. uh chair can we split them split them up the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 20186.205, "end": 20188.085, "text": "I I believe there's three recommendations" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20188.325, "end": 20189.425, "text": "Okay, so this is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20189.585, "end": 20190.025, "text": "the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 20190.245, "end": 20191.005, "text": "This is the original" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20191.005, "end": 20191.965, "text": "this is the original." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20192.665, "end": 20194.165, "text": "That's not the one that we're voting on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 20196.885, "end": 20198.565, "text": "you have to vote on what I mean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20198.565, "end": 20200.245, "text": "We have to vote on this one first." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 20200.585, "end": 20201.885, "text": "to decide which way we go." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20202.285, "end": 20202.405, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 20202.465, "end": 20202.805, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20203.085, "end": 20207.805, "text": "So let's uh let's um is there any debate on this particular item without" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20208.325, "end": 20210.265, "text": "discussing what was discussed in camera?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20212.765, "end": 20218.245, "text": "See, okay, so let's uh let's call the question uh go to Eastcribe to vote on this recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20219.165, "end": 20222.285, "text": "This recommendation will determine what uh the next motions are." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20222.565, "end": 20223.285, "text": "That we're gonna vote on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20226.945, "end": 20228.285, "text": "I think if you can." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 20235.625, "end": 20236.725, "text": "Of course I have to re" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 20236.925, "end": 20238.085, "text": "uh of course I have to reboot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20247.925, "end": 20250.765, "text": "And confirming Councillor Clark is not here. He's absent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20251.785, "end": 20255.345, "text": "And with that, Councilor, um, Chair Shabot, we do have all votes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20256.925, "end": 20257.365, "text": "I'm sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20257.905, "end": 20258.525, "text": "All votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20258.905, "end": 20261.085, "text": "Okay, can you display the results, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20264.405, "end": 20265.565, "text": "I don't have my" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20266.225, "end": 20267.225, "text": "teams queued up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20270.165, "end": 20272.625, "text": "And so that motion carries six to four," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20273.625, "end": 20275.025, "text": "which means that the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20275.225, "end": 20277.005, "text": "subsequent motion," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20277.305, "end": 20278.665, "text": "so recommendations, I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20279.345, "end": 20280.665, "text": "believe it's two and three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20282.705, "end": 20283.245, "text": "Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20296.845, "end": 20298.925, "text": "So it's just two two motions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20300.005, "end": 20300.365, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20300.665, "end": 20303.225, "text": "So uh also moved by councillor Yaness." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20304.305, "end": 20306.925, "text": "On the recognitions that are before us, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20307.385, "end": 20308.785, "text": "we go to east scribe to vote on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20309.645, "end": 20312.165, "text": "Oh sorry, Chair, just to confirm, are we still doing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20312.505, "end": 20312.805, "text": "Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20313.145, "end": 20315.285, "text": "third recommendation from Councillor Johnston?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20318.185, "end": 20319.445, "text": "So Councillor Johnson's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20320.205, "end": 20321.725, "text": "amendment has to be voted on as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20322.545, "end": 20322.845, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20324.705, "end": 20325.385, "text": "My apologies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20326.505, "end": 20327.245, "text": "All right. Go to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20327.925, "end": 20329.825, "text": "you see what's before you, you know what we're voting on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20331.145, "end": 20332.525, "text": "Everyone's clear on what we're voting on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20333.385, "end": 20336.005, "text": "All right. Um go to East Scribe to vote on that one, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 20348.145, "end": 20349.225, "text": "Churchable of alter it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20350.025, "end": 20351.345, "text": "Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20356.125, "end": 20358.145, "text": "That motion is also carried six to four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20358.305, "end": 20358.565, "text": "With" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20359.645, "end": 20363.765, "text": "I guess I probably should have mentioned who voted against it last time, Councilor Atkinson, Councilor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20364.405, "end": 20366.945, "text": "Councilor Pantisov listening Councillor Schmidt" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20367.165, "end": 20369.145, "text": "voted against and that motion is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20370.585, "end": 20371.125, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20371.345, "end": 20373.025, "text": "now for the final recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20378.965, "end": 20381.365, "text": "So recommendations as amended, is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20382.445, "end": 20383.245, "text": "On that motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20384.045, "end": 20384.725, "text": "On that are we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20385.245, "end": 20385.505, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20386.385, "end": 20387.085, "text": "describe, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20399.065, "end": 20400.365, "text": "Counselor McClain, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 20402.205, "end": 20402.605, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 20403.625, "end": 20404.825, "text": "Thank you, Chair. All votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20405.645, "end": 20406.665, "text": "Display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20409.865, "end": 20412.385, "text": "And that motion carries eight to two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20412.785, "end": 20414.445, "text": "Thank you, everyone, for your" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20414.865, "end": 20415.165, "text": "work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20416.845, "end": 20419.925, "text": "And now we will go on to the last" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20420.465, "end": 20422.105, "text": "item of business, unless I'm mistaken." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20422.605, "end": 20423.145, "text": "New" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20424.425, "end": 20427.145, "text": "recommendations that was added this morning," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20427.405, "end": 20429.025, "text": "which is in E Scribe," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20430.325, "end": 20432.785, "text": "urgent business, I believe 9.3. Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20443.225, "end": 20444.225, "text": "Go ahead. Go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20444.225, "end": 20450.925, "text": "Uh good afternoon, committee. I do have a brief presentation or happy to forego if we wish to go to members of the public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20451.145, "end": 20454.105, "text": "Now I think uh presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20454.405, "end": 20482.545, "text": "Okay, uh then good afternoon. Uh my name is Ryan Vanderputton. I'm the city's chief engineer and director of capital planning and business services. Today I'll be walking you through the advance in Calgary's infrastructure priorities update, which brings forward the project level and ward level details of our 10 year capital infrastructure plan, as well as the implementation plan based on the recommendations found in our 2026 corporate asset management plan. This is intended to support more informed decision making for council. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20483.865, "end": 20485.905, "text": "The recommendation for you today" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20486.325, "end": 20505.065, "text": "is for the infrastructure and planning committee to recommend that Council number one approve the 2026 Asset Management Implementation Plan, which is attachment two, and to direct administration to use the tenure capital infrastructure plan as input into the 2027 30 business plans and budget. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20506.645, "end": 20523.145, "text": "Our previous direction was to bring back an update to the report we brought in May of 2026 to provide detail on the implementation plan stemming from the recommendations in the 2026 corporate asset management plan, as well as the ward and project level detail for the capital plan. Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20525.385, "end": 20544.845, "text": "So the infrastructure review and final report prepared for audit committee in 2025 identified 10 recommendations, and the corporate asset management plan identified 13 recommendations to guide the city's effort in continuously improving asset management practices. We've combined these into one comprehensive and cohesive implementation plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20545.325, "end": 20546.825, "text": "Centered around the themes above." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20547.885, "end": 20557.805, "text": "These have been prioritized and are consistent with the asset management team's focus for 2026. We anticipate providing an update back to Council on these activities early next year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20558.585, "end": 20559.145, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20561.805, "end": 20567.525, "text": "Investments proposed in the 10 year capital investment plan are looked at through the lenses of maintenance and replacement," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20568.445, "end": 20572.025, "text": "service enhancement, growth, and transformative investments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20572.745, "end": 20581.225, "text": "This approach is intended to facilitate trade-off and prioritization conversations with Council as we look to optimize our portfolio of investments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20581.785, "end": 20582.405, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20583.745, "end": 20587.745, "text": "The 10-year capital plan provides us with a long-term view of priorities and timing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20588.405, "end": 20596.385, "text": "Having this integrated plan helps council determine how much to invest, where, and when, with an understanding of the value of the projects and programs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20597.545, "end": 20608.845, "text": "Based on service levels, either approved by council or where Calgarians have come to expect, the city has identified and prioritized $54 billion of infrastructure investment over the next 10 years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20609.845, "end": 20617.125, "text": "For tax supported areas, the maintenance and replacement and growth drivers are relatively balanced at approximately 40% each." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20617.965, "end": 20622.985, "text": "For the rate supported services, we see a greater emphasis on initiatives that support growth" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20623.205, "end": 20627.925, "text": "due to significant infrastructure investment needs in water and wastewater treatment plants." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20628.345, "end": 20628.945, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20630.805, "end": 20634.085, "text": "Project level detail has been added to programs where it is available." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20634.925, "end": 20646.025, "text": "Programs remain subject to change over time as projects advance and cost estimates are updated. We have updated over 80 project cost estimates since we previously published this back in May." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20646.845, "end": 20655.245, "text": "The ward information has also been added for standalone projects, recognizing that some projects may benefit broader catchment areas across multiple wards." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20655.965, "end": 20677.365, "text": "In response to Councillor Wyness's comments this morning, we are also pleased to publicly launch our tenure capital planning dashboard, which provides access to the information in attachment three in a much easier to read and understand format. So this dashboard is now available on our city's website at calgary.cacapital needs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20678.285, "end": 20678.905, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20680.845, "end": 20685.105, "text": "This slide really just highlights how this work ties into the broader planning and budget process timeline." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20686.265, "end": 20715.165, "text": "Over the course of the last six months, his administration has brought forward progress updates on both the corporate asset management plan and the 10-year capital infrastructure plan, along with the corporate capital prioritization framework. Today's report brings all the components together to advance Calgary's infrastructure priorities. Over the next few weeks and months, this information will be used to support Council's guidance around the upcoming 2027 to 30 budget, with the recommended budget being presented publicly in November." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20715.905, "end": 20716.525, "text": "Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 20718.045, "end": 20738.985, "text": "Finally, we recommend the Council recommend, sorry, the infrastructure and planning committee recommend the council approve the 2026 Asset Management Implementation Plan and direct administration to use the 10 year capital plan as input into the next business planning and budget cycle. Thank you. My team and I are happy to answer any questions you may have after we hear from members of the public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20739.485, "end": 20744.905, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Venderput. Now I ask the members that that of the public that would like to speak to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20745.485, "end": 20747.865, "text": "this report if you'd please come forward" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20748.485, "end": 20752.305, "text": "and introduce yourself. You'll have five minutes to make your" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20753.065, "end": 20755.265, "text": "presentation uh subject to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20755.465, "end": 20757.365, "text": "Questions of members of the committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 20771.765, "end": 20786.785, "text": "Good afternoon, Council. My name is Shannon Dorham. I've had the privilege to meet many of you. And I'm here to speak to you a little bit about the work the YMC is doing and the work that we're doing on priorities nested under Game Plan, but also as part of our work as your civic partner." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 20787.745, "end": 20795.685, "text": "So as you'll recall, uh the YMCA operates uh sorry, I should I should have some slides actually. Are they there, Counselor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 20800.125, "end": 20802.365, "text": "Clerks is looking up right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 20803.985, "end": 20842.445, "text": "Okay, so we can go to slide two. So let's go past this one. Yeah, let's uh let's maybe hang here just for a minute. So, as you will call, the YMCA, on behalf of the City of Calgary, operates six city-owned rec facilities and delivers experiences across Calgary, reaching hundreds of thousands of people every year. And we're very proud of how we add value for Calgary taxpayers. We do not receive any operating funding from the city. We are responsible for life cycle maintenance and improvements for the facilities we operate on your behalf. And as a charity, we're able to access funding from all levels of government, donors, and sponsors the city would not otherwise have access to. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 20844.785, "end": 20891.905, "text": "In May, we published our 2025 report to community and tallied up some key metrics on the value and impact we create for Calgarians socially, financially, and economically. In particular, I'd like to highlight our capital investments in city-owned facilities that we're proud to operate as YMCAs while offering financial assistance at no cost to the city. In the last budget cycle, we saved Calgary taxpayers $19.6 million by generating the revenue necessary to reinvest into city owned facilities. In 2026 alone, we are investing nearly $11 million to maintain and improve these city facilities, including a $7 million modernization at the Shawnee YMCA that's currently underway. And in the upcoming four year budget cycle, we forecast investing another $22.8 million. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 20893.625, "end": 20899.025, "text": "And we're very grateful to Council for your support for our West District YMCA." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 20899.785, "end": 20918.985, "text": "And I'd like to shift gears a little bit into this vision. And I believe most of you are familiar with this project. And as you would know, the population in this part of Calgary has grown 22% in the last five years. So we want to really speak to where we'd think about the future impact that the YMCA can have alongside our partners at the library in the city. So we'll go to the next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 20920.465, "end": 20982.005, "text": "And we're very grateful to council for your support for our project during last year's budget adjustments. Your $3 million investment in detailed design and planning has enabled us to be shovel ready for provincial and federal funding opportunities. As of today, over $33 million has been committed to the project, including the estimated value of the land, the YMC's contribution, and philanthropic commitments. Through a competitive process, we've engaged GEC as the prime consultants for the project. As a respected partner of the city of Calgary, the Calgary Public Library, and the architects of our Remington and Shane Holmes YMCs, they bring a strong track record of working on local recreation projects and delivering on time and on budget. And we're working as quickly as possible to secure provincial and federal funding. With timely approvals from all levels of government, we can get shovels in the ground in 2027, avoid potential cost escalations that would come with the delay, and deliver these amenities to Calgaryans. As we engage with residents in West Calgary, the number one question we're hearing is when will this open? Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 20984.225, "end": 21008.625, "text": "So the answer, of course, is that we'll start construction as soon as we have the funding confirmed from all levels of government, and this includes a municipal portion. We continue to have productive conversations with our partners in the provincial and federal governments and are responding this week to a request from the federal government for a priority application for funding. As you consider recreation infrastructure investments over the next four-year cycle, we hope that you'll take advantage of this unique opportunity" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21008.925, "end": 21035.725, "text": "to leverage private, philanthropic, and other government support to build much-needed community recreation and library space that will serve generations of Calgarians. And this would be something truly spectacular to celebrate together as part of the YMCA Calgary's 125th anniversary in 2027. So, next slide, please. I'll just end with a thank you, a sincere appreciation of your time and support, and would be happy to take any questions you might have at the appropriate time. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21041.185, "end": 21044.705, "text": "Thank you. Looks like we do have some questions from Counselor Johnson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21045.985, "end": 21047.945, "text": "Sorry, should we wait for the rest of the panel or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21048.405, "end": 21051.265, "text": "It's not a panel, it's a bunch of several individuals. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21052.205, "end": 21053.705, "text": "so now would be the appropriate time? Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21055.825, "end": 21058.525, "text": "Yeah, just my first question uh for the YMCA." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21058.925, "end": 21059.405, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21060.285, "end": 21078.025, "text": "Do you have a breakdown of what the revenue percentage has been over the past like five, six, seven, eight years? Um, and if YMCA is maintaining a percentage of revenue or profit, sorry, um, or if that is decreasing over the same amount of time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21079.125, "end": 21126.485, "text": "Yeah, so I think the question is do we have a surplus? So we all the revenue that the YMCA generates is self-generated. We don't have any partner funding from the city of Calgary. So this is all revenue or philanthropic revenue, grant revenue that comes from other sources. Every year we would generate what we call in the nonprofit world a contribution margin, and that gets reinvested as a charity. So every year we would take that surplus, and then the subsequent year we would plan how that's reinvested back into the organization. So the dollars that I spoke about from a capital reinvestment perspective would be dollars that we would have earned the year prior. So as an example, this year we have the seven and a half million dollar Shaughnessy renovation, which we are funding. And then we would also have about four million dollars of capital that we'd be reinvesting into other facilities as well. So we pull from reserves as well as that margin that we would generate the year prior to do that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21126.705, "end": 21130.405, "text": "So do you find that re contribution um staying" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21131.025, "end": 21137.545, "text": "relatively um flat, or is it dropping or getting better over the last couple of years?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21137.965, "end": 21154.025, "text": "I would say it's relatively stable. Uh we certainly did see a dip coming out of COVID and had to rebuild, as I'm sure most organizations did coming out of the pandemic. We are seeing a little bit of softening in revenue this year, so we've had to scale back some of those capital investments, but generally I would consider it to be stable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21154.825, "end": 21161.345, "text": "And for ongoing costs of maintenance on some of these buildings, like some of these new YMCA buildings are massive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21161.345, "end": 21161.565, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21161.565, "end": 21162.125, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21162.945, "end": 21170.625, "text": "is that built into your ability to maintain your building or is there ever going to be an ask from government to help?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21170.845, "end": 21214.365, "text": "Yeah, so the long-term obligation that we have is to service the lifecycle requirements of those facilities. So we have a 25-year, what we call development plan, which looks at all of the needs and inputs of cash over that period of time. And so what we are required to do as your operating partner is actually every five years have a lifecycle condition assessment that speaks to the condition of that asset and when certain elements need to be replaced. So over the 25 years, we have a very specific input that tells us when and how much those elements will be. We do, as a charity, raise funds through capital campaigns to fund some of that. So where there are deficits in or gaps in funding available at certain points in that plan, we will raise philanthropic dollars or apply to other granting streams from government to fill that gap." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21214.725, "end": 21218.665, "text": "Okay, so right now you're not concerned about potential revenue going forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21218.805, "end": 21219.685, "text": "Not at this point, no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 21220.085, "end": 21220.885, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21224.585, "end": 21227.565, "text": "thank you, Counselor Johnson. Counselor Panthosopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21227.685, "end": 21246.325, "text": "First of all, I wanted to thank you for coming in and apologize. Uh it was my mistake when we brought this forward. There's members that you sat in this chamber for six, seven hours, and uh I should have brought that forward early on. Um you give all that time at the other colleagues as well. So I apologize. That was my mistake to my colleagues as well. But uh I I owe you uh a lunch or coffee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21246.325, "end": 21247.545, "text": "No apology needed, it's a pledge." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21247.545, "end": 21252.405, "text": "Sorry, it's a rookie rookie mistake. But uh uh, you know, maybe just uh that that partnerships, I mean something that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21252.945, "end": 21260.305, "text": "when I think of the Y Seton, you know, an amazing you've got rink, facility, water, and library. And this one library, maybe just speak to that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21260.825, "end": 21268.805, "text": "that uniqueness with this proposal being a library, being swimming, et cetera. Just just speak to that. I I don't know if library's here to speak to that, but if you could. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21268.805, "end": 21327.505, "text": "Yeah, absolutely. So part of the uniqueness of this project is it brings together the library and the YMCA, which for those of you that are familiar with those facilities, the first partnered library and YMCA would have been in 2012 when the Genesis Center opened and the Saddletown YMCA is was paired with the library right next to it. And this really does create a community hub. And there's something really special about being able to bring your family and your children into a space where both of those things are accessible and where there's supports financially if you need them. So what we would consider this to be is a hub of community in the west part of the city, just as we would see that in other parts of Calgary. And the West District concept is actually a smaller footprint than you would see at the Berkfield YMC at Seton or the Shane Holmes YMC at Rocky Ridge. And that's by design. Not every part of the city will need a larger amenity. And we know the West Recreation Center, which is a beautiful center, is not far away. So by design, this is meant to be purpose built for the community based on the need, but certainly with the contributions of the libraries and importance of a partner." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21328.205, "end": 21366.365, "text": "And then maybe finally part of our game plan strategy was to partner, do different things a little different, you know, instead of the city of Calgary, I think you put in here 100% paying, having completely third party, it's a you know a bit of a bit of mix. And and you hit the nail on the head, this 33.3 million committed to the project already, 25%, including our our uh contribution. Maybe just just sort of speak that that flexibility, philanthropic. I know um, yeah, whatever you you could provide. I know you've uh from the feds, province, I I know it's on the large corporate, excuse me, large capital projects at the province, et cetera. Just as you look forward and that certainty, we want shovel ready projects. You know, why do you think, given your the the flexibility of the why, shovel ready can occur?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21366.485, "end": 21421.425, "text": "Sure. Well, the the Y and the Library would bring together two established partners at the City of Calgary that have an established track record of being able to deliver not only capital projects but the operation of those capital projects and to do so in a fiscally responsible way. So that would be the first benefit. The second being we have the benefit of a land donation, which is very unique to this opportunity, and also allows us to leverage other orders of government. So in the traditional municipal recreation funded model, you would have 100% or 100 cents on the dollar funded by the city of Calgary. In this circumstance, it would be about 25 cents on the dollar. And so the partners are going out to seek other sources of capital to relieve that load on taxpayers and quite frankly on council for having to find those types of dollars. So this is a very good investment. Also sets a new model for how we build infrastructure in the city of Calgary and potentially other places as well, where we're leveraging philanthropic, private, and government sources of funding all together for one project." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21421.625, "end": 21427.145, "text": "I was just gonna ask that you going forward, maybe in closing, um, as you go forward across the city, you know, you've identified maybe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 21427.545, "end": 21436.925, "text": "Want to wipe forward uh other opportunities to pursue this that smaller scale, go into community, partner, philanthropic, etc. Is that is that a fair? There's hopefully more in Calgary than than the one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21437.025, "end": 21448.805, "text": "We would certainly like to see more of that as an opportunity for sure. And we would be open to any conversation if there's other places in the city that are looking at models similar to this to be able to use unique funding models and unique operating models for sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21448.925, "end": 21449.525, "text": "Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 21449.725, "end": 21450.085, "text": "You're welcome." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21455.525, "end": 21456.185, "text": "Thank you, Counselor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21456.485, "end": 21459.545, "text": "Panthesopoulos. I see no further questions for you. Thank you for your submission." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21460.945, "end": 21467.565, "text": "Next person, if you please come forward and introduce yourself. You have five minutes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21469.505, "end": 21496.405, "text": "Good afternoon, Council. I'm Candace Gauty. I'm the president of Sport Calgary and I'm here today to speak to the need and demand from the sports sector for sport infrastructure. In 2025, Council adopted the Making Waves Service Investment Scenario for public recreation to keep up with population growth and provide accessible recreation. Delivering on that direction requires a full investment of $250 per year or more to stabilize the system and address urgent service gaps." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21497.665, "end": 21509.965, "text": "Calgary has grown by approximately 237,000 people in just four years. We're approaching 2 million residents, yet more than 70% of our recreation facilities are already more than 35 years old." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21511.105, "end": 21598.145, "text": "We are trying to replace aging facilities while serving one of the fastest growing cities in North America. And this isn't simply recreational spending, it is economic infrastructure. The MMP Center expansion demonstrates exactly what recreational infrastructure delivers. One project, 335 full-time jobs, more than 55 million added to Alberta's GDP, and more than 50 sporting events per year. Our friends at the YMCA report $64 million in annual GDP impact and $8.4 million in annual health care savings. These facilities are also one of the best prime youth employment opportunities. Without adequate and consistent investment, facilities will close, indoor field demand will continue to exceed supply, and up to 40% of Calgary's ice inventory could be completely lost. To go through some numbers, today in the hockey community there are just under 15,000 players, 828 teams, and more than 3,000 volunteer coaches and managers. Participation is projected to exceed 18,000 in just five years, with more requests for ice than we can already accommodate today. Today in the soccer community, there are 33 young Calgarians playing. That number is projected to reach 58,000 in 10 years. Soccer already needs 1,500 additional indoor full field hours today, the equivalent of roughly five." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21598.925, "end": 21614.805, "text": "additional indoor facilities. And in the football community you'll see the same thing. Fifty six hundred players are reporting wait lists and space constraints, with more than 8,000 kids playing basketball, with 300 officials and 1,500 coaches playing in warehouses and church basements." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21617.485, "end": 21688.985, "text": "Just in these five sports, there are under 68, just under 68,000 kids with critical need for spaces to play. We know that there are 30,000 children on wait lists for swim lessons, and with the recent closures and population growth, this number will continue to climb for an essential life skill. Without investment, the predictable result is not just inconvenience. Inaction will force kids out of the sport system. This is no longer a sports sector concern only. It is an infrastructure, public health, economic development, affordability, and city building issue. The cost of inaction or anything other than full support is high, and not in 30 years, but within 5 to 10. We will see children simply stop getting in. Wait lists will become participation caps. We'll see even greater geographic inequity than we have now. Registration fees will rise, and the cost of sport will continue to push more and more families out of recreational sport. 65% of families already listing rising costs as their number one concern. Facilities will close faster than we can replace, as we've already seen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21689.925, "end": 21699.265, "text": "And economic impact. We will have lost economic activity along with an increase in inactivity, which will increase our healthcare system." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21700.545, "end": 21710.885, "text": "We therefore will not only should not only ask what does this piece of infrastructure cost, but what does inactivity cost? This is a system that serves" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21711.325, "end": 21768.485, "text": "Thousands of people in Calgary. This system is critically important to the livability of our system, our cities, or our city, to reduce social disorder and increase safety. And if we don't catch up, let alone prepare for the future, the consequences will be significant. Game one, or sorry, wave one of game plan isn't simply about building more recreation. Without replacement projects, the system actually shrinks, let alone prepares to respond to growth. Wave one includes 17 priority projects, including three ice sheets, three indoor field houses, six athletic parks and outdoor field projects, and five aquatic recreation centers, plus upgrades to five. And we don't debate that investing in roads, water treatment, or transit should be critical infrastructure, but we do want to plea that recreation infrastructure deserves to be viewed the same way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21769.765, "end": 21774.525, "text": "If there's any questions, I really appreciate the opportunity to speak today on behalf of the sector." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21775.425, "end": 21778.765, "text": "Uh well before we do that, we are actually at our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21778.925, "end": 21783.505, "text": "afternoon break. Okay. So unless somebody wants to make a motion to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21783.985, "end": 21789.345, "text": "uh conclude questions to this speaker, I will bang the gavel and come back in 30 minutes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21789.925, "end": 21791.445, "text": "So, Councilor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21792.125, "end": 21792.905, "text": "what's your motion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21794.665, "end": 21801.465, "text": "Uh yeah, I was gonna say finish this item, but I'd I'll say finish the meeting because I think that there's nothing else on the agenda after this item. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21801.465, "end": 21802.105, "text": "Finished what?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21802.505, "end": 21803.185, "text": "uh to f" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21803.685, "end": 21806.825, "text": "I was gonna say finish the meeting, but if the clerks will allow me if not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21806.825, "end": 21808.745, "text": "There's two more speakers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21809.365, "end": 21820.045, "text": "I was gonna say finish the item. I do I'm not sure looking around the council just for general consent, sort of here, is there m much debate on this particular item today from anyone? I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 21820.045, "end": 21826.085, "text": "I'll chime in just I I say finish the speakers. The meeting we've learned could go for two more hours." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21826.345, "end": 21832.505, "text": "uh I will for these people I will I will agree and respect Council McClinton. We'll say finish the speakers, please. I'll make that motion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21832.505, "end": 21833.205, "text": "Finished hearing from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 21834.605, "end": 21835.885, "text": "Finish hearing from the public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21836.065, "end": 21836.525, "text": "okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21837.045, "end": 21837.845, "text": "All right. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21838.425, "end": 21839.605, "text": "I'm gonna go to the queue" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21840.185, "end": 21842.985, "text": "to see if there's any questions for you, Miss Gaudi." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21843.685, "end": 21844.405, "text": "Did I say right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21844.485, "end": 21845.005, "text": "Yeah you did." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21845.185, "end": 21845.685, "text": "All right, thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 21845.685, "end": 21846.005, "text": "Rare." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21848.785, "end": 21849.865, "text": "Any questions for Ms. Cowdy?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21850.945, "end": 21851.285, "text": "Not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21851.425, "end": 21854.125, "text": "seeing any right now, so I'll go to the next speaker." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 21854.885, "end": 21856.965, "text": "If you don't mind introducing yourself." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21861.605, "end": 21867.945, "text": "Hello, my name is Ryan Matady, and I have the privilege of speaking on behalf of the TRICO Center for Family Wellness today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21868.405, "end": 21904.485, "text": "So, first, I would like to thank Council and Administration for the opportunity to speak today. I would also like to acknowledge and commend the significant work undertaken by the Game Plan Initiative, which has highlighted critical roles recreation infrastructure has played on buildings, health, connected and resilient communities throughout Calgary. Last year I stood here at Council in strong support of Game Plan and the city's commitment to invest in recreation. Today I'm here to continue that advocacy and highlight an opportunity that directly aligns with those priorities, the future of Trico Center." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21906.285, "end": 21933.925, "text": "Following strong support shown by Game Plan and the community, recreation investment, Trico Center took meaningful steps towards preparing for growth. I am pleased to share we are completed updated conceptual expansion plans in partnership with the Gibbs Gage Architectural Group. These plans represent a significant milestone and position us one step closer to becoming shovel ready when future funding opportunities become available." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21934.665, "end": 21979.345, "text": "The need for expansion is clear. Each year, Trico Center serves Calgarians and plays a vital role in supporting health and well-being to our communities we serve. Thousands of active members of Trico Center, more than 20,000 annual general admissions, over 8,500 children and youth participants just in our programs alone, thousands of participants through our sport and community rental partners, more than 1,500 individuals through our fee assistance programs, over 3,000 seniors through our FLC Senior Group who have proudly called Trico Center home for over 40 years. And then more than 51,000 visits annually by adult group fitness classes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21979.905, "end": 21998.305, "text": "These numbers represent real people, real community impacts. These represent children learning new skills, seniors maintaining social connections, families prioritizing wellness, and community organizations providing opportunities to enrich lives of every day and facility they know and trust." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 21999.485, "end": 22001.965, "text": "However, Trico Center has reached a crossroads." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 22002.925, "end": 22005.485, "text": "Many of our areas have reached their" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 22005.845, "end": 22021.585, "text": "operating or near operating capacities. Demand for program services facility access continues to grow, and we are willing and eager to meet these demands. However, the ability to accommodate that without growth is very limited on our current footprint." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 22022.105, "end": 22039.585, "text": "As a result, opportunities to increase access, generate additional revenues, and improve long term financial sustainabilities are constrained. Without additional space, the only mechanism available to offset rising operational costs is to increase fees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 22040.065, "end": 22046.065, "text": "Something we have strived to minimize in order to keep recreation accessible to all Calgaryans." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 22046.905, "end": 22085.705, "text": "Today I respectfully ask Council to reconsider the inclusion of Trico Center's expansion project in the 10-year infrastructure plan. Support for this project would allow Trico Center to, number one, complete detailed drawings to make sure we're tender ready as soon as possible. Position the project to access future provincial and federal infrastructure funding. Demonstrate Calgary's commitment to recreation investment and community wellness. Strengthen discussions to the private sector partners and philanthropic supporters, and ensure we are prepared to move forward with funding opportunities when they arise." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 22086.165, "end": 22117.805, "text": "Most importantly, this investment would help address growing recreation demand in Southeast Calgary and ensure the Trico Center remains vibrant, sustainable, and a community hub for decades to come. The Trico Center has proudly served Calgary families for over 40 years. With council support, we can continue to evolve alongside our growing communities and provide programs, services, and space for future generations. Thank you for your time and your leadership, and I will take any questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22120.325, "end": 22121.685, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Matthews. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22122.705, "end": 22126.205, "text": "see one person in the queue to ask you questions, Counselor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 22126.305, "end": 22126.725, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 22126.425, "end": 22126.545, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 22126.725, "end": 22137.745, "text": "Appreciate that. Jumped in a little late there. Just wanted to be real clear. Two thumbs up. Thank you, Director Vanderputten." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 22138.245, "end": 22142.665, "text": "Trico is not included in the list, right? That's what I'm hearing from you today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 22142.665, "end": 22165.165, "text": "In that ledger, you'll see game plan phase two for wave two. We are in there, but we're just not named anywhere. So I mean it's pretty hard to go out and get investments when your name doesn't show up on any of the lists anywhere. So even if it's essentially joining the Wave Two conversation, and then within that 10 years, having the ability to advocate for more money in different levels of government." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 22165.225, "end": 22168.565, "text": "And it's your understanding that Trico is included in that wave too." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 22168.705, "end": 22172.365, "text": "It's my assumption based on talking to administration today about it. Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 22172.365, "end": 22174.985, "text": "Okay, we'll see if we can get a little bit of clarity on that after the break." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 22174.985, "end": 22175.785, "text": "Absolutely. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22176.905, "end": 22180.825, "text": "Thank you. Um I did have two other people listed. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22181.665, "end": 22182.965, "text": "Mr. Nelligan and Mr. Brown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22184.445, "end": 22185.105, "text": "Please come forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22190.645, "end": 22224.005, "text": "Good afternoon, members of council. My name is Bruce Snelligan. I'm a volunteer board member with West Hyde Rec Center. And with me today is Dave Brown. He's a manager of program and services at Westside. And I'd also like to pass along regrets from Jan Bloomrad, who he's the CEO of Westside, and unfortunately, he couldn't be with us today. He's on a much deserved vacation in Europe with his family. So, slide one, please. I'm going to jump around the slide, so thanks for keeping up. Today we are here to speak in support of the city's game plan initiative, and we're also excited to share some details about Westside's expansion plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22224.585, "end": 22229.845, "text": "With which align perfectly with game plan's objectives. Slide three, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22231.285, "end": 22236.265, "text": "For those of you that may not be familiar with Westside, I'd like to provide a quick summary of our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22236.885, "end": 22263.685, "text": "facilities. So we're currently 220,000 square feet. We were built in the year 2000, went through an expansion in 2010, and recently recently completed a major renovation. It's a city owned asset on city land. And we started with a 25 year lease, and we've recently renewed that for another 25 years, which is a testament to our long standing and solid relationship with the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22264.845, "end": 22270.025, "text": "Another important fact is that Westside is self funded without any operational funding from the city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22272.745, "end": 22274.145, "text": "Slide six, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22275.665, "end": 22288.885, "text": "So, for those of you that don't know, Westside is located on the corner of 17th Avenue and 69th Street in southwest Calgary. It's adjacent to the 69th Street station and is also in close proximity to Stony Trail. So very accessible." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22289.505, "end": 22294.365, "text": "And you can see from the slide. Sorry, that's next slide, please, slide six." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 22297.665, "end": 22299.785, "text": "Light eight, you gotta go back." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22300.625, "end": 22304.045, "text": "Gotta go back one, sorry. Back. Yeah, that one. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22304.345, "end": 22310.025, "text": "So as you can see from this slide, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22310.425, "end": 22323.585, "text": "basically, this is a slide showing where's where our patrons are coming from that attend Westside. And as you can see, they come from all over the city, not just the Southwest Quadrant, making it sort of a regional facility on the recreation side." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22324.425, "end": 22326.765, "text": "Can you jump back to slide four, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22327.405, "end": 22332.705, "text": "A little bit of the numbers for Westside. So this slide demonstrates the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22333.765, "end": 22351.665, "text": "demand that we're seeing at Westside. And we've had 1.1 million visits, annual visits, according to our last uh stats. We've also provided over 450,000 in community support through membership subsidies, program discounts, and access to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22352.285, "end": 22353.625, "text": "The" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22354.545, "end": 22356.325, "text": "facility by community groups." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22357.025, "end": 22364.985, "text": "We also have over 80,000 program participants, including swim lessons, fitness programs, and inter-to-sport activities, just to name a few." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22366.085, "end": 22367.865, "text": "Slide five, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22369.705, "end": 22393.845, "text": "With the growth on the west side of the city that we've heard earlier and the increased interest in health and wellness, we've seen an increase in demand and have outgrown our building. So one of our critical pressure points is aquatics, where we have over a thousand children on the wait list for lessons. And we've also seen a large demand for court space as well as gym space in hockey ice times are at or near capacity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 22394.785, "end": 22402.325, "text": "So to address this increased demand, we're planning a major expansion. And I'd like to ask Dave Brown to speak about these plans on our expansion. Dave?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22402.325, "end": 22411.385, "text": "Thank you. If you could move to slide eight, please. And our apologies for bouncing around on the slides. As you can see here, West Side's expansion plans." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22411.385, "end": 22415.865, "text": "Sorry to interrupt you for a second. Oh, thank you, Madam Clerk. I was just gonna ask them to reset the time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22416.925, "end": 22420.145, "text": "And our slide eight is the one with the building on it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22425.845, "end": 22426.885, "text": "There we go. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22427.825, "end": 22443.985, "text": "And I promise I won't bounce around anymore. It'll be one more slide and we'll be done. As you can see here, West Side's expansion plans align extremely well with game plans making waves. It's our intention to improve facilities that Calgarians desperately want and need." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22444.645, "end": 22461.665, "text": "Our plan is an addition of an arena to our already existing arena and leisure ice on the north end or top of the slide, and at the bottom to add and improve our aquatics facilities as well as add a field house to our to our center." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22462.105, "end": 22469.585, "text": "With the changes to aquatics, we will also increase and expand our all inclusive gender free change rooms." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22470.125, "end": 22479.545, "text": "And with the change to our physical footprint on the land, we intend to improve the outdoor fields to the south of our building and add a community playground." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22480.405, "end": 22493.305, "text": "To minimize the disruption during this project, we will use a phased approach. Phase one or 1A being the completion of the field house and aquatics area, one B being the arena." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22494.165, "end": 22495.565, "text": "If you can move to the next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22498.325, "end": 22515.025, "text": "As you can see and have heard, we're in an excellent position to make waves with the city backing. Not only in aquatics, where we improve and increase the access to both lane swimming and swimming lessons, we will also add and provide new inventory for fields and ice." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22515.725, "end": 22536.585, "text": "West Side's location being at the end of the Blue Line and near Stony Trail expands our accessibility to Calgarians near and far. Lastly, with over 26 years of excellent providing excellent recreation opportunities for Calgarians and a recent renewal in our 25 year lease with the city lets you know we're committed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22537.065, "end": 22541.185, "text": "To providing quality recreational opportunities for many years to come." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22541.445, "end": 22544.645, "text": "Thank you for allowing us to speak, and we welcome any questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22549.205, "end": 22554.065, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Nelligan and Mr. Brown. I do have some questions from Council Panasopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 22554.405, "end": 22572.725, "text": "I'll be super quick again. Apologies to everybody for delaying there and right before the break. Maybe that regional and partnerships, maybe just speak a bit about that. Um that you know, really rec centers in the city of Calgar are no longer just sort of quadrant, particularly being on a C train, particularly being but a two minute drive from the Ring Road. Maybe just speak to that um how" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 22573.665, "end": 22574.425, "text": "in general" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 22574.965, "end": 22577.045, "text": "they become these regional players, if you will, think." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22577.045, "end": 22606.605, "text": "So definitely what we see and what you could see in the heat map that we presented earlier is not only are we including our catchment in the ward, but people will drive up to 30 minutes to access recreational facilities and especially when it comes into fields and arenas, as you well know, minor hockey are commuting throughout the city to find and get ice. And as you heard with Sport Calgary earlier, the need for fields is immense." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 22607.745, "end": 22628.145, "text": "I think that's one unique that it's you know inner city established. And then just maybe the um maybe speak about that financial, and that was obviously one consideration Council Johnson had with the why. Maybe just speak to that. Maybe the the expansion a few years ago, self-funded, no city funding, etc. Maybe just speak to that the confidence that this going forward, um, you know, that it's a sustainable uh investment. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22628.145, "end": 22665.445, "text": "Definitely. So in our 26 years of existence, we have required zero operating funds from the city. We have done self-sustaining. 2010 we did go through an expansion to meet the needs of the community and area. And again, here in 2025 26, we create we completed an internal renovation to stay current for the people that are utilizing our facility. Our modeling for the next 25 years indicates that our finances will maintain the operating building needs as we move forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 22666.065, "end": 22667.165, "text": "Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22669.865, "end": 22671.385, "text": "Thanks for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22672.005, "end": 22672.625, "text": "However," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22673.565, "end": 22678.665, "text": "notwithstanding what you just said, you do require some capital injections to help to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22679.185, "end": 22681.345, "text": "finance the capital improvements, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22682.785, "end": 22684.205, "text": "capital from in terms of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22685.005, "end": 22686.705, "text": "getting this project off the ground." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22686.905, "end": 22690.225, "text": "That and as well as previous expansions. You've" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22690.705, "end": 22693.485, "text": "In twenty ten, similar to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22694.085, "end": 22711.325, "text": "This we did receive funding from city, province, and federal to expand our facility. So we did increase our footprint back in 2010 to adapt to the evolving needs and the growth in the southwest of the city. And that would be our intent here as well today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22712.245, "end": 22714.945, "text": "Thanks. Just want to be clear about something." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22715.525, "end": 22716.605, "text": "That specifically." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22716.845, "end": 22717.505, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22717.705, "end": 22719.505, "text": "Thanks. No further questions for me. And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22719.985, "end": 22721.885, "text": "not seeing any other questions from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22722.225, "end": 22724.125, "text": "Members of committee, so we will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 22725.005, "end": 22730.905, "text": "according to previous decision recess for the next 30 minutes and come back and conclude this item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22731.505, "end": 22731.785, "text": "Thank you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 22731.965, "end": 22732.345, "text": "very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 24757.705, "end": 24758.785, "text": "Call this meeting back to order." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 24760.605, "end": 24761.325, "text": "Please call the roll." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24764.345, "end": 24766.105, "text": "Thank you on the roll. Counselor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24767.605, "end": 24768.405, "text": "Councilor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24769.365, "end": 24769.665, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24770.365, "end": 24771.645, "text": "Councilor Pandasopoulos," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24772.345, "end": 24773.185, "text": "Councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24774.765, "end": 24775.985, "text": "Councilor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24776.905, "end": 24777.925, "text": "Councilor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24780.345, "end": 24781.425, "text": "Councilor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24781.985, "end": 24782.925, "text": "Councillor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24783.825, "end": 24784.865, "text": "Councilor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24785.905, "end": 24786.745, "text": "Councilor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24787.125, "end": 24787.505, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24789.105, "end": 24790.145, "text": "and Chair Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 24790.865, "end": 24791.185, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 24792.065, "end": 24792.705, "text": "We do have quorum." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 24793.305, "end": 24793.825, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 24794.885, "end": 24799.125, "text": "I will now open up the queue to members of council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 24799.765, "end": 24802.445, "text": "Not sure where we left off, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 24803.665, "end": 24806.865, "text": "Councilor Kelly, I had you at 322. You're up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24808.465, "end": 24809.585, "text": "Yeah, sorry. I uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24810.185, "end": 24820.985, "text": "Computer's not restarted here yet, but I just wanted to follow up on the question from uh uh from Trico earlier. Can you just confirm uh Trico is included within that wave two of game plan?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24823.745, "end": 24827.225, "text": "Our recreation counterparts, it is in fact included in Wave 2." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24827.445, "end": 24841.165, "text": "And then within that wave two that's in there, uh sorry, my computer's still restarting here, so I can't look at it at the this moment. Uh there's many different projects within that wave two. Are they listed within the uh the PDF?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24841.845, "end": 24865.945, "text": "So given the timeline of Wave 1 versus Wave 2 within the game plan, we had far more certainty of Wave 1 projects. So we were able to unroll the Wave 1 program within the Capital Plan. Because of the uncertainty of timing and priorities of Wave 2, we chose not to unroll Wave 2." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24866.145, "end": 24874.165, "text": "And then maybe just uh like follow up related to that. So the wave one, what's the uh what what's the time range look like to get to the end of wave one?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24875.205, "end": 24898.285, "text": "Apologies if this answered in the document. I uh actually apologies through the chair. Like I I only discovered this because I happened to show up to the meeting today because it was uh added as urgent business. And I'm very impressed with our speakers who came today and had like prepared slides and the whole bit. I I was not I was not that prepared, that's for sure. Sorry, uh Mr. Vanderputten." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24898.305, "end": 24916.085, "text": "No, that's that's fine. So uh so the line item for game plan wave one projects uh is uh one point five billion dollars over uh the next I I guess it's gonna be eight years, because the the spend profile for wave one completes in twenty thirty-four." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24916.285, "end": 24922.185, "text": "Perfect. So complete within the within the eight years for wave one. And when do we anticipate the beginning of wave two?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24922.965, "end": 24937.445, "text": "Uh so some of the wave two uh spend uh you know starts as early as kind of twenty twenty three. Uh I'm just going through some of the the line items. Yeah, twenty thirty-two, twenty thirty-three. So there's a little bit of overlap in there, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24937.625, "end": 24945.505, "text": "Just a couple year overlap within the ten year then, okay. Um and hence why they're rolled up right now, because we're like we've still got" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24946.385, "end": 24946.985, "text": "six" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 24946.985, "end": 24947.425, "text": "five" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 24947.425, "end": 24954.605, "text": "years. Yeah, I was gonna say six years. Okay. Thank you very much. I uh appreciate the transparency around that. I think those are my only questions, Mr. Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 24955.885, "end": 24960.585, "text": "Thank you. Apparently I missed uh Counselor McLean in the queue, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 24961.625, "end": 24963.985, "text": "Although I'm not seeing it, I think he might have gone on the wrong" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24964.265, "end": 24966.765, "text": "It was way back at 257" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24966.905, "end": 24968.785, "text": "for before the speakers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 24970.845, "end": 24972.225, "text": "whatever. Go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24972.365, "end": 24973.745, "text": "Okay, well, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24974.185, "end": 24977.945, "text": "Um my question is maybe kind of going down. So we've got this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24978.505, "end": 24982.045, "text": "budget plan, and I do like how we have um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24983.205, "end": 24985.605, "text": "the priority ranking system is what we're looking at." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24987.185, "end": 24995.505, "text": "Which every counselor is going to have their own priorities, and we've seen different people come present today where they want to put their songs on the party list. So my question, I guess, to you is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 24996.925, "end": 25004.105, "text": "How are we going to be able to get down into more details? What's coming to council where so we can pull out and say, hey, you know, I like sport cal, I want to fund that, or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25004.525, "end": 25017.925, "text": "I really like that interchange and kind of worth 13 to be prioritized. Because I know that that's the that's a no-brainer. But how do we get out of the this generalized prioritization list and get down into the meat and potatoes where council gets to pick and choose each item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25018.625, "end": 25086.005, "text": "It's a great question. So this is essentially our last of our current discussion series on the 10-year plan. We'll transition very quickly into the conversation around the recommendations for the four-year capital budget. So we will be back in front of council as part of the July 28th conversation to talk about a recommendation for 27 to 30. And it's at that point that we'll be able to engage council on level of investment, focus areas, you know, specific services, specific maintenance versus growth, as well as different levels of service and our profile of actually achieving the levels of service that we've identified as part of our strategic plan. So it won't be as simple as taking the four-year slice out of the 10 year plan and that becoming the four year. We've really engaged a lot of other individuals as part of the public part public engagement on the budget. We're also hearing engaging other partners, other interest holders in our capital budget as we put together that recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25087.145, "end": 25090.005, "text": "So uh could you repeat when is that coming to us again?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25090.145, "end": 25091.345, "text": "Uh July twenty eighth" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25091.965, "end": 25094.265, "text": "council uh will be the next conversation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25094.605, "end": 25095.105, "text": "It councils." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25095.485, "end": 25096.165, "text": "Okay, thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 25098.885, "end": 25099.405, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 25109.165, "end": 25109.965, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 25111.105, "end": 25115.685, "text": "not sure how to figure this out though, but Counselor Panthesopoulos, I want to go to you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25117.325, "end": 25121.585, "text": "Try to consolidate uh the questions. Um attachment one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25121.785, "end": 25127.385, "text": "at audit tomorrow, we're receiving an updated principal risks of the corporation and and part of our driver." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25127.905, "end": 25137.545, "text": "Criticality and risk, and there's a lot of conversations. In fact, there's one that talks about, you know, the $5 billion in transit addresses these risks. So maybe just speak holistically." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25137.985, "end": 25145.505, "text": "Uh, the 10 year plan as proposed, and then the subset of the four year, how does that speak to uh the principal corporate risks?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25145.845, "end": 25148.385, "text": "Can we definitively say at the end of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25148.965, "end": 25153.145, "text": "10 years we will start to see movement, et cetera, if you could just sort of bring those two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25153.605, "end": 25166.685, "text": "Together and and did it inform some of the discussions? Hey, the scoring might have ranked uh data integrity 326th, but oh my goodness, it's now one of the core uh you know risks of the corporation. Does that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25167.305, "end": 25168.265, "text": "jump it to the top?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25168.625, "end": 25289.505, "text": "Uh thanks. And maybe I'll give an intro for now and we can have a bit more of a detailed conversation even tomorrow at audit committee. So the principal corporate risk really entails a number of elements rolled up into that principal corporate risk. The you know asset condition is only one of those components of the principal corporate risk. The asset condition, however, especially on our critical assets, has been a really significant part of our focus. That's why we have the 2026 corporate asset management plan. There's some information on there around critical assets. We wanted to make sure that we linked our critical assets investigation into our tenure capital plan. So one of the things that you will see in attachment three, which is just the PDF of the list of projects, even if you can't read it at that scale, what hopefully you do see is a bit of the shading. Because we have included some shading uh in there, which is basically highlighting uh projects or programs that address those critical assets. So kind of the the darker red is severe consequence of failure, and the the orange uh is more high consequence of failure. So when we talk about the uh critical assets, which are a lot in our uh uh drinking water, uh bridges and structures, uh, transit and information technology, we'll be able to then correlate those to investments required uh in the tenure capital plan. And as we get into a next granular level of detail, we'll be able to then say uh at which level of investment will we be able to move the risk specific to these assets. So uh just even to build on uh Councillor McLean's comment around the next conversation. When we come uh both in July as well as November, uh, we will be able to drill down into every line item in the recommended budget and talk about here's the service level that you're going to achieve with this level of investment, here's the residual risk that will remain after this level of investment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25290.125, "end": 25318.185, "text": "I was uh my next question was around that service levels, and and I know it's something that we've asked for and sounds like it's coming. So maybe just what can we expect uh come budget time? You know, for example, in attachment two, it speaks to decisions clearly defined levels of service, but later on it actually only speaks to we only have clearly defined levels of service for parks, for sidewalks. There was about four or five items, and I would suggest 90% of the budget didn't have that. So that's a lot coming. So maybe just speak to that. Will it clearly be?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25318.825, "end": 25328.045, "text": "Like we had parks, I th which I thought was amazing. You had, you know, door number one, two, three, and four. You spend seven million, you get this, you spend seventeen, you get this. Can you speak to fast forward what we're uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25328.605, "end": 25329.525, "text": "what's gonna look like." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25329.525, "end": 25350.425, "text": "Absolutely. So we've been working across administration with our friends in operational services to really start to get clarity around that desired level of service so that we can be having more quantitative conversations around level of risk, level of service with specific investment levels." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25351.165, "end": 25361.025, "text": "So I don't unfortunately have a timeline right now of kind of that whole cadence of levels of service, but we will be forthcoming with a number of those conversations in the coming months." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25361.305, "end": 25396.645, "text": "I really like it. I I love that there's responsibilities, there's ownership, there's a clear description, there's no ambiguity in what you're achieving, and more importantly, there's a timeline, uh, which would which is wonderful. So thank you for that. That'll be something that'd be great as you go forward and we'll be able to hold uh to account. A few items within there um under 1.8 speaks about long term plans. As you know, we're in the middle of our Calgary plan discussions, it's coming back to council and Q1. Um how how materially did the existing municipal development plan?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25397.045, "end": 25406.885, "text": "Formulate the rankings, the valuations, and not the valuations, the ranking and the capital expenditure proposals. And if there's a pivot come Calgary plan," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25407.505, "end": 25412.285, "text": "how should we be thinking about that? Should we start thinking about it now, saying here's what we're thinking, try to change budget, or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25413.565, "end": 25417.525, "text": "if there's a material movement in priorities or other outcomes?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25417.725, "end": 25469.805, "text": "No, thanks for the question. I think at the highest level, Imagine Calgary, the existing municipal development plan, Calgary Transportation Plan, are really guiding documents for all the work that is being done through administration. That next level down are those kind of 30-year strategies. So I would say that a lot of the asset management plans and capital plans are really more anchored to the service strategies than they are to the hierarchy of plans. So route ahead, game plan, home is here, those are those are really the service strategies that we're anchored to. Unfortunately, I can't speak today. Maybe I could put Deputy GM Muller on the spot, but that you know, as we transition from the existing MDP CT, sorry, municipal development plan, Calgary Transportation Plan into a potential new version of Calgary Plan, you know, what potential could that have on some of our existing service strategies?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 25472.945, "end": 25496.325, "text": "Just to be on the spot. Yeah, I I think in in terms of the the updated Calgary plan, there are some changes in the way the the city is proposed to be developed, and in light of that there would be an evaluation of infrastructure required to deliver it. But that's really at the 60 year level, not at the 10 year level. So I think there's obviously it would it would impact uh conversations going forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25500.665, "end": 25507.245, "text": "That's that's so important. I think you know, as we you know, go back to attachment one and that 40% growth and maintenance, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25507.985, "end": 25510.485, "text": "you know, there's that that's the conversation. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25510.865, "end": 25522.225, "text": "You know, again, I remember speaking to this a few months ago. It was surprising that as our population slows, it's still fast, you know, 7,000 dollars, that a disproportionate amount of the capital is still going to growth," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25522.725, "end": 25529.105, "text": "uh, which means the 1.8 million Calgaryans are not getting that capital. So maybe just speak a bit about that, that growth" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25529.885, "end": 25545.385, "text": "in established communities. Um, if if we decide, look, it's not a 50 50, which was the current MDP we want, and that involves investing in established communities, fixing the broken sidewalks in a community that was built in the 50s instead of a new sidewalk uh on the west side." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25545.805, "end": 25555.765, "text": "How how would that change? Would you see material or these growth will sustain and help the established communities that have an infrastructure deficit as well?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25556.265, "end": 25575.485, "text": "Yeah, and so maybe one point just to be uh very clear about when we when we use a simple term as growth, uh what we actually mean is investments to support our growth and development, including both population, our geographic area, demographic changes, densification, economic expansion. Growth doesn't just mean" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25576.105, "end": 25603.565, "text": "The new community growth applications that we've we've been seeing on other conversations. So when we see growth happening in all parts of our city and that need to enhance some of our infrastructure investment, some of the larger growth needs are on our water and wastewater treatment plants. And that's why the number is skewed a little bit because of the significant investments required in those critical assets. But really, kind of ultimately we're seeing kind of a bit more of a balanced approach." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25604.105, "end": 25607.785, "text": "Thanks for that clarification. Yeah, I took that away as the growth and just again, you know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25608.345, "end": 25612.465, "text": "Yeah, no, I appreciate that. Um back to attachment to target" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25613.085, "end": 25622.705, "text": "the prior uh part number five, for example. You know, number four has uh Q3 2027. Great, there's a time, there's an ownership, and and a few I see things like continual improvement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25623.345, "end": 25625.405, "text": "Maybe just talk through why" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25625.665, "end": 25644.525, "text": "it wasn't chosen as part of the EY report or hey, actually have a date. And maybe it's 20, 28, 29, but what what does that mean? And how do we know that it's just not going to be very small? These were very important, obviously, and why an administration was willing to yep, we recognize this is one of the uh the components and not having a timeline." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25646.105, "end": 25666.365, "text": "Uh yeah, thanks for that question. I think for us continuous uh improvement really focuses on kind of there, there's a lot of work to do over a longer period of time. Uh that is one thing that we can we can take back and see if there are some maybe more specific pieces that we could develop uh with more specific timelines, and maybe we could include that when we report back uh in about six months." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25666.365, "end": 25676.785, "text": "And I know that's yeah, work in progress, which is great, and they recognize it every year. You and I have chatted, every year this got better and better, and and we pass the torch to future councils. Um maybe one," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25677.465, "end": 25711.805, "text": "the the asset management plans, and and you you know we talked about in six months we're gonna have this, yeah, we're gonna have some targets and goals. And if you look at 3B under uh page 10 of 13 on attachment two, it says administration is working on a plan to promote continuous. So that feels like a you know, please, business units, would you please do, as versus a mandate. You know, I mean and we just heard you say, hey, in six months we're gonna have a this is your plan, council, yeah, this is the service standard we want. But when I see language like that, that is softer. That gives an out to an organ uh excuse me, a business unit to say, well, we're just not gonna focus on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25712.525, "end": 25713.725, "text": "Am I thinking about that correctly or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25713.725, "end": 25763.345, "text": "Yeah, no, thanks for that question. And you know, I uh you know, I'll acknowledge I think part of our role uh within asset management planning is a bit of that assurance role within the organization for where there are uh components that are not directly tied to our work that we really work to uh strongly encourage uh other parts of the organization to really develop and implement some of those asset management plans. It is it is a work in progress, and I will say our our primary focus is on our critical assets. Uh and so between you know the top priority assets being our drinking water and our bridges and structures, both of those uh asset classes fall within my purview and within our new deputy director of asset management. So I can assure you uh that that is kind of our focus to making sure we get those right and doing very clearly what we need to do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25763.485, "end": 25767.545, "text": "no no uh thanks for that and recognizing it's a living, breathing document. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25767.885, "end": 25780.665, "text": "uh attachment three, I really like the summary. You have the top five safe city, you tied it back, and that was something I was we were looking for, and now we can clearly see 1.5 billion parks and urban forest livability. So, you know, thank you so much for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25780.925, "end": 25784.485, "text": "Maybe just sort of jumping to um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25785.545, "end": 25789.965, "text": "you know the growth and and and the the allocations, this is something that's been established you worked with." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25790.105, "end": 25794.925, "text": "Uh back to that new communities 3.5 because this is table three, attachment three. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25795.425, "end": 25800.925, "text": "new communities 3.5, established communities 4.5, sort of the weighting. And it just that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25801.405, "end": 25809.885, "text": "again with 1.8 million Calgaryans living in established communities, growth, like just that reconciliation, like how do we think about that? It feels like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25810.365, "end": 25811.065, "text": "Growth." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25812.165, "end": 25818.565, "text": "It contradicts the comment, sort of saying, hey, we're growth in all things. Any thought there? Am I reinterpreting that correctly?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25818.825, "end": 25856.345, "text": "No, it's a great question. So I think within the the overall benefit criteria weighting, we we saw enabling growth as kind of that 10.5% as compared to you know maintaining a level of service of existing service that was over three times that weighting. You know, when we unrolled that enabling of growth into new communities, established communities, and industrial, uh, you know, I think we recognize that the current direction of the municipal development plan, Calgary Transportation Plan is really to encourage that intensification within established communities to support smart growth principles, which is why it's probably slightly higher in its weighting than new communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25856.545, "end": 25863.065, "text": "I really appreciate that. Just important as so we go, it's not a surprise come November. Oh, hey, we thought this. Maybe maybe finally" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25863.445, "end": 25886.605, "text": "I have to zoom in too. The prior the prioritization, uh, some were deemed required. I think it was required. And and and I just want to just understand a little bit at a high level how that came through. And I I'm fortunate Counselor Yule isn't here, so I'm gonna poke on um prayer economic gateway. Uh, prayer economic gateway I fully support. However, it's deemed required. It's not approved, it it's sort of a longer way, it's great." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25887.005, "end": 25887.665, "text": "And then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25888.205, "end": 25899.865, "text": "other elements are sort of deemed as, you know, 196 on the requiring. So maybe just talk through that that that evaluation criteria, that things yet to be approved, things that have a very narrow scope at helping certain" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25900.805, "end": 25915.345, "text": "Areas. Um maybe just that because that jumps up required means we must. It's gonna be very difficult at budget. We have to cut something like this out. But like a pre-economic, I'm just gonna pick on that again because Councillor You's not hearing. He loves it, so I'd love to hear yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25915.345, "end": 25944.505, "text": "Yeah, absolutely. So the required pathway was an intentional part of our corporate capital prioritization framework where we had identified projects that were regulatory in nature, public or life safety, or contractual in nature that you know would have significant and extreme consequence to the city of Calgary if not proceeding. We recognized that there's a lot of important infrastructure, and so we were actually pretty focused on kind of being." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25945.145, "end": 25959.285, "text": "Making that required list as small as possible. You'll see a lot of significant required infrastructure in our utility. And that is your public safety and your life safety with our water and wastewater systems. You will also see" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25959.765, "end": 25973.485, "text": "Prairie Economic Gateway, and so I would say that falls under our contractual agreement as being part of that partnership to deliver that program. We are responsible for our portion of that infrastructure investment. And so there would be contractual implications if they didn't proceed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25973.545, "end": 25986.465, "text": "Okay, no, I I missed that part. Thank you for that. No, that's that's exactly why it's requirement. There's a a big implication. Maybe the la uh when you think this value or excuse me, prioritization one to three hundred and twenty or give or take, it it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 25986.905, "end": 25997.705, "text": "is the process going to be all things being equal at a funding level. You just sort of march up, and 320 is better than 321 from an administrative perspective. Is that how should we we think about it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25997.885, "end": 26048.445, "text": "In its simplest form, you might feel that that is, but I'll tell you, we've you know, we we recognize that if there's a way that we can scale up and scale down projects that are in the top 100, it allows us to that ability to move the line a little bit further down. So we are taking a very strategic approach, especially where there is scalability. Uh if it's a discrete project that needs $100 million, it's either zero or a hundred. Or we proceed maybe with the the detailed design, and so we only do 10% of that. But uh otherwise, if we can scale projects to move that line down and do more, uh then we'll do that. When we come with the conversation uh into in a couple of weeks and into November, uh it's then going to be that same approach where what are some of those priorities of council where we want to either scale up, scale down, or to move that line to include more or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26048.645, "end": 26060.225, "text": "you know, include less if we want to change the overall portfolio size. But that'll that's only one element of it. As I said, we are taking into consideration a lot of the other uh public uh and council perspectives in that process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26060.465, "end": 26088.885, "text": "That's really important because I'll maybe end on one of my fears when we talked about when you first showed us the 10%, 2%, 3% was hard assets, a road, a transit, would would rise to the top because it's very easy to quantify public safety, public good. And you know, if you look at the number, 80 plus percent of the top 65 relate to transit, roads and transit, which is interesting. So I haven't summed it up, but a disproportionate top 65, and I get the logic because but you go down to number 66, it's it's a park." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26089.165, "end": 26092.385, "text": "Okay, well how does that yeah as an example like so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26092.745, "end": 26105.365, "text": "when we do this it just to confirm again it's not gonna be mathematical or I'm making up the funding envelope is here, we're doing a line in the sand. There will be considerations that hey, one of priorities council is safety and therefore" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26106.165, "end": 26113.365, "text": "police, fire, whatever. That those will come in, even if the numbers though, it's show that the percentage and the ratio and the weighting" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26113.545, "end": 26115.745, "text": "give you know number sixty fifty three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26116.605, "end": 26119.345, "text": "Whatever, some some transit oriented uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26119.925, "end": 26126.265, "text": "of the 65. There there will be that flex you, I guess you'll have a sober second thought. Somebody'll go in and actually look at it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26126.365, "end": 26157.065, "text": "Yeah, absolutely. This is a process that we've been adjusting as we go. This is like we've had a corporate prioritization tool that we've used in previous cycles. It's not perfect. It never will be perfect. And so it is more to be indicative. It's really hard to compare why is it priority 178 versus 179? But if it's in the top quartile versus bottom quartile, but we we want it to be transparent with the process that rather than just rate everything as high, medium, low, we want to actually provide kind of the tool and its ranking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26157.185, "end": 26178.005, "text": "No, that's great. I just say, you know, look like and 240, and you've been loud and clear, you know, park delivery one, new regional parks, North Central Park, Pritus, Seaton Regional. I would suggest, you know, that's super critical to at least to me and I'm sure to council, but it ranks 240 versus an overchange somewhere. Uh, but you know, the ratio just to move that up. But you guys will, it sounds like you're gonna think about that. But again, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26178.005, "end": 26213.345, "text": "Yeah, and maybe just to be clear because you mentioned that, uh, so where we have unrolled the program components, those those projects within the programs, so we haven't prioritized within the program. The role of the corporate prioritization is that first wave of priorities, uh, we would allocate a certain level of funding to certain programs, and then those program owners would then have maybe a slightly different prioritization technique within their program. We are providing this from a transparency of where there is a likelihood of those projects proceeding within those programs. We wanted to share that publicly with council and the public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 26213.565, "end": 26223.125, "text": "No, again, I I thank you. I love that there's accountabilities built in, there's something clear, and this will iterate as we get up our four-year cycle into uh a pretty good outcomes going forward. Thank you so much, Mr. Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26224.945, "end": 26227.465, "text": "Thank you. Um next up, Counselor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26229.865, "end": 26230.685, "text": "Good afternoon." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26231.225, "end": 26249.025, "text": "I know we we've spoken uh at length here about that 54 uh billion in unfunded infrastructure and and and what that actually means. And I just what what I have a question on because I think we all agree that you know we we need to do investment in our infrastructure, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26249.665, "end": 26263.705, "text": "My question is to do with like the the the the meantime or the the in-between uh let me give you an example. So in uh Ward 12 hat does have an overwhelming amount of growth right now. Uh four out of the five" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26264.425, "end": 26271.325, "text": "fire stations in War 12 uh aren't listed till uh I believe it's 2035 or beyond." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26272.205, "end": 26272.865, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26273.465, "end": 26282.865, "text": "how do we address the pressures on the emergency response times in Rangeview, Hotchkiss, and other southeast communities in the meantime?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26283.945, "end": 26315.765, "text": "Thanks for that question. So, what I can say is we're as a city we are committed to emergency services and providing that safety to Calgarians. The current timing within the tenure capital plan is really focused on an understanding of across corporate conversation between both fire services, our planning department, and our capital planning of when ideally that infrastructure would be required to meet service levels. If we see growth timing changing," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26316.745, "end": 26337.705, "text": "That's the reason why we're updating our tenure capital plan on an annual basis so that we can move that. If if we see that that if there's a need to accelerate some of those emergency response stations, we would be doing that as part of our conversation. We would be doing that as part of the four year capital budget as well, because we are committed to making sure that those uh supports are in place for those services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26338.185, "end": 26359.885, "text": "And how does that work each year when you uh I guess uh you know you you review the list, you review the prioritize, you know, the priorities of last year versus what it is now. And and like who do you meet with? Like, how does that actually play out? Do you meet with the C the CAO? Do you meet with other GMs? Like how how do you guys actually reprioritize that each year?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26360.145, "end": 26430.405, "text": "Well, that's a great question. So, our team in capital investment planning, uh, the the team members are our corporate capital consultants are embedded and work uh very directly with all of the operational services and community services folks. So they're they're talking directly with Calgary Fire Department, they're talking directly to mobility or facilities or recreation, uh, and as part of that service line discussion to understand what those service needs are. As mentioned, it all ties back to the service strategies. So, you know, if if there's a need to evolve on a route ahead or a game plan, we're part of those conversations as well to make sure that we're we're meeting those needs when they are required. The next step being the budget recommendation, where we have to then match kind of the tenure capital plan with our financial capacity, our industry capacity to deliver in our own internal capacity, is when we would continue to have those conversations again, making sure that we're talking with our industry partners and our financial partners to make sure that we can deliver the infrastructure when they when they are needed to deliver that service to Calgaryans." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26431.805, "end": 26441.905, "text": "Lastly, okay, you speak about capacity. So again, uh go back to the $54 billion uh I guess you'd call it uh infrastructure deficit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26442.485, "end": 26449.085, "text": "Um I understand that that is like you know the the the total amount. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26450.645, "end": 26458.105, "text": "are you allowed to speak right now candidly about how you think we're gonna pay for that and where that money is gonna come from?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26459.505, "end": 26463.005, "text": "Thanks for that question. I believe I'm allowed to speak to this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26463.485, "end": 26487.685, "text": "It's a great question. I think we've we've had a report back in June at Executive Committee about funding our infrastructure gap. And there is no one solution. I know our CFO and staff have been here to share. You know, we need to leverage grants, we need to leverage our own internal reserves, our property tax, we need to leverage other orders of government." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26488.565, "end": 26544.605, "text": "To put all that together in a fairly comprehensive way to address this. It's not going to be easy. $54 billion is a lot of infrastructure that's required. And that's where when we come starting in a couple of weeks to start talking about how much of this is realistic to do and what is that trade-off between an infrastructure principal corporate risk and a financial principal corporate risk, and where do we see some of those trade-offs? Where do we want to be diving in? But we continue to talk with a number of our funding partners advocating for more money for our critical infrastructure for some of our major projects. We continue to advocate for dedicated funding streams for maintenance and renewal type of infrastructure. And as we heard even from YMCA and some of our other partners, there's a lot of value for money in partnering with private capital and philanthropic contributions to be able to deliver service to Calgaryans." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26545.565, "end": 26562.645, "text": "I I like your comment. You just said you're going to come back to us um with w you know what is realistic. And uh I I am you know looking forward to to seeing those numbers and and having that conversation because uh I'm sure that's gonna be a good one and I'm sure you're looking forward to it too." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26563.085, "end": 26586.665, "text": "And to be fair, when I say realistic, like one of the things, you know, the maybe the unintended consequence of some of this tenure capital plan is this is reflecting our service strategies. We bring our service strategies one at a time. We bring our levels of service conversations one at a time. This is now an opportunity to see the aggregate of all that. And is this is if this is still the city we want to be?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26587.405, "end": 26591.065, "text": "And which I believe it is. Here's the price tag associated with that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 26592.185, "end": 26592.625, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26593.785, "end": 26597.465, "text": "Counselor Kelly, I may have in inadvertently missed your name in the queue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26598.125, "end": 26599.585, "text": "Did you have questions? Okay, sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26600.345, "end": 26601.885, "text": "So Mr. Vanderputten, I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26602.905, "end": 26606.105, "text": "I can't help but ask a couple of questions related to the list specifically." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26606.705, "end": 26607.605, "text": "I saw one" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26607.805, "end": 26610.325, "text": "item, just as an example, uh CSMI," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26610.785, "end": 26612.845, "text": "uh Collaborative Stormwater Management Initiative." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26613.405, "end": 26615.705, "text": "And I heard recently that there may be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26616.405, "end": 26617.945, "text": "uh some pullback from our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26618.545, "end": 26619.145, "text": "our uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26620.145, "end": 26621.225, "text": "I guess our major" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26621.565, "end": 26622.125, "text": "partner" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26622.605, "end": 26624.865, "text": "in that piece of infrastructure specifically." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26625.545, "end": 26629.685, "text": "Uh is there going to be some adjustments made to this list in relations to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26630.005, "end": 26632.725, "text": "timing of some of that funding and whether or not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26633.045, "end": 26635.445, "text": "We're going to move forward with some of our funding to," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26636.365, "end": 26639.725, "text": "I guess, partner up with some of these organizations if they're pulling back." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26640.705, "end": 26667.865, "text": "Yeah, so while I don't have the specific details on that one today, what I can say is the the purpose of the annual refresh is to be able to reflect any uh change in the landscape, any changing uh funding cost sharing mechanisms, uh, and and even the cost estimates. So we would we would address that kind of in the iterative approach. Uh, and then also between now and actually a budget submission and deliberation in November, any new information we'd be able to bring then." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26669.225, "end": 26671.305, "text": "Okay. There's I I noticed there's a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26671.825, "end": 26674.225, "text": "there's been quite an effort made to try and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26674.965, "end": 26677.685, "text": "and bring everything that was alike" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26677.985, "end": 26679.985, "text": "uh uh together" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26680.385, "end": 26683.285, "text": "as close as possible, but there's still quite a bit of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26684.345, "end": 26686.425, "text": "you know connecting the dots between," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26686.785, "end": 26687.165, "text": "you know," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26688.125, "end": 26690.165, "text": "as an example, Prairie Economic Gateway." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26690.585, "end": 26692.905, "text": "It's in multiple locations. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26693.305, "end": 26696.685, "text": "uh transit, I've seen in several different locations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26697.125, "end": 26699.365, "text": "Um the ability for us to maybe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26700.365, "end": 26701.485, "text": "maybe make" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26701.705, "end": 26703.245, "text": "more strategic" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26703.765, "end": 26705.605, "text": "focused sort of decisions" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26706.445, "end": 26709.605, "text": "might help if we also had a list showing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26710.665, "end": 26715.685, "text": "like expenses, like all of transit or all of roads, or all of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26715.965, "end": 26718.965, "text": "you know mobility um all in one place." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26719.525, "end": 26756.465, "text": "No, uh, that's a good comment. So if I if I rewind uh council back to um I believe it was the March infrastructure planning committee, is when we first brought what we called the tenure capital infrastructure needs assessment. And those were the individual services identify identifying their tenure capital needs and priority within the service. So that was your service view. Those are all published again on calgar.ca slash capital needs by the individual service line. The tenure capital plan takes all of those individual lists, aggregates them, and then prioritizes using a corporate framework." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26757.945, "end": 26764.125, "text": "Yeah, I I mean there may be some uh line items within a particular budget that have a higher priority," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26764.565, "end": 26767.365, "text": "but when I'm gonna look at the budget, I'm gonna" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26767.825, "end": 26768.445, "text": "consider" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26768.885, "end": 26770.345, "text": "how much we're investing in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26771.085, "end": 26776.145, "text": "road repairs, how much we're investing in sidewalks, how much we're investing in trees, how much we're investing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26776.405, "end": 26777.125, "text": "And I I don't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26777.645, "end": 26779.705, "text": "necessarily want to have to be able to say," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26780.025, "end": 26782.385, "text": "okay, well, parks and playgrounds, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26782.945, "end": 26785.065, "text": "more in this area and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26785.445, "end": 26787.445, "text": "than than this other business unit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26787.745, "end": 26788.525, "text": "I want to try and," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26789.065, "end": 26789.465, "text": "you know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26790.765, "end": 26791.385, "text": "Without" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26791.585, "end": 26791.985, "text": "you know" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26792.785, "end": 26798.345, "text": "s separating out specific business units to say we need to invest more in this business unit versus this business unit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26798.725, "end": 26799.505, "text": "I want to try and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26800.205, "end": 26801.545, "text": "create a sense of um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26802.645, "end": 26805.945, "text": "uh equity amongst business units as much as possible" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26806.325, "end": 26810.545, "text": "in our in our plans on a go forward basis. Because we're not gonna be able to fund everything. So we need to be able" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26811.005, "end": 26820.645, "text": "to look at some equity uh as part of it, because in the past, what I've seen in previous budgets is there always seem to be certain business units that took the the brunt of the cuts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26820.845, "end": 26826.625, "text": "And and I don't want to see that. I want to see more equalization amongst the business units if at all possible." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26826.685, "end": 26857.185, "text": "No, I appreciate that. I what I can say is when we get into the four-year budget conversation, our budget documents have been organized by departments, so you will start to see those conversations with like projects listed together with their counterparts within the same department. And then we also have some supplemental information, kind of doing a deep a deep dive, a one pager for each of the line items in the recommended budget. And so they will be organized more like the services as you recommended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26857.785, "end": 26871.025, "text": "So in my free time, I'm hoping to be able to spend more time with you and maybe go over some of these lists and maybe more detail. As you pointed out, some of these things have a whole bunch of other elements to it. Phase two is an example or stage two of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26871.445, "end": 26874.665, "text": "of of game plan. There's obviously a lot of projects under that," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26875.245, "end": 26877.505, "text": "uh that clear understanding of what's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26877.805, "end": 26878.785, "text": "what's where. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26880.145, "end": 26883.785, "text": "Absolutely happy to walk yourself or any member of council or committee through." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26883.785, "end": 26885.205, "text": "just so you know, that'll be August." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26887.805, "end": 26888.865, "text": "Sorry, I digress." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26891.545, "end": 26894.885, "text": "Um, anyways, that's all the questions I had. Thank you for this report. It's uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26895.445, "end": 26900.425, "text": "it's a good report. It just provides certainly a lot of more information and and clearer direction on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26900.925, "end": 26901.205, "text": "on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26901.405, "end": 26902.945, "text": "how we're gonna prioritize our projects." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26903.265, "end": 26903.845, "text": "Counselor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26904.065, "end": 26904.605, "text": "Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 26907.285, "end": 26908.445, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 26911.185, "end": 26936.765, "text": "Thanks for this, the the information. The dashboard, I think, is great, uh, but just for the future, um numbers like priority, we need leading zeros to actually be able to sort uh and not have uh things get all wonky. So yeah, 001 if we're going to 999. Uh otherwise the ones just go uh get all, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26936.765, "end": 26943.785, "text": "There there are a few quirks with the dashboard, admit this is the first time we've done this, so happy to take any suggestions as we continue to improve." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 26943.785, "end": 26947.345, "text": "That's exactly what that was. And then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 26948.605, "end": 26969.345, "text": "I guess like one of the convers some of the conversations I've been having around the four-year plan is just the difference between projects that will be in the design phase versus design and build within the next four year plan. Or is there anything in here that would just be design? Or is it are all the projects listed here" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 26970.165, "end": 26974.225, "text": "for both the design phase and the build phase?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 26975.285, "end": 26979.845, "text": "In totality. I mean as as as you when we're looking at these numbers, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26979.865, "end": 27020.185, "text": "I would say at a high level, so there's both. So we we would have identified projects or infrastructure that is required over the next 10 years. And so some of those were already into design, and so we just need to construct. Some we need to go through that process. What I can also say is beyond the 10 years, there's more infrastructure that's required. Sure. So we actually need to do design in the next 10 years to be able to build in the following. So that's why you would have both. We want to make sure that we've got a consistent filling of the pipeline, per se, of projects and just getting them through our project development and design phase to be shovel ready to deliver, especially when there is funding opportunities from other orders of government." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 27020.385, "end": 27035.905, "text": "Okay. So I guess like just as a as a maybe a piece of information to flag is would be that sort of distinction around whether a project is a design, is in that design phase or if it's taking it for the full um, yeah, the f the full way through completion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27035.905, "end": 27048.865, "text": "Absolutely. So when we when we do bring the the budget recommendation, we will be absolutely clear on that. We speak about these one pagers. We'll make it absolutely clear if this 10 million uh is just for design, we'll tell you that it's just for design and not actually delivering." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 27048.985, "end": 27050.565, "text": "Awesome. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 27052.285, "end": 27059.865, "text": "the only other piece here was just, yeah, and this is maybe a bit of feedback, but uh it's just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 27060.145, "end": 27150.725, "text": "One piece that I'm I'm having trouble with, because I'm trying to get a sense of like where are we making the investments, I think Councillor Pantozopoulos his point around sort of like you know servicing new growth. We see some of those pieces, but the investments in inner communities, and I'm trying to do the sorts and understand it from a localized perspective. Um but I think we also need to take a look not where we're necessarily building the thing, but what it the wards that are benefiting from the thing. So for example, I mean, one that I just think is maybe an error is HR service improvements is listed as a ward seven thing, and while it may be taking place in this building, uh I think that that has implications for all. Uh so there's some of those categorization things. Uh, you know, I'd like to take all the benefit, but that's not for me. Um but then things like say Crowchild Trail improvements, uh, while there might be slight benefits, say, to Ward 7, it's really about throughput on Crow Child Trail leading up into sort of Ward 1, Ward 2, up in the northwest of Calgary, and sort of the connections into inner city. So just I think looking more at like the benefiting rather than where the work is going to be delivered. And sometimes those two things will be together, but um, especially I think when it comes to inner city uh projects, when a lot of those things are about throughput and connections for uh external, um just trying to make sure that we have those alignments correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27151.145, "end": 27154.065, "text": "So absolutely agree. Uh and apologize there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27154.285, "end": 27186.605, "text": "Is likely to be a few data errors and in a few hundred line items. So we had that conversation as we were building the dashboard when we were trying to display information by word, because you're absolutely right. Unless it's a discrete project of a small enough size, there is a widespread benefit for all these. I'll use an example that pops up when I open the dashboard just because it's alphabetical. So 911 critical infrastructure. It benefits everybody. Everyone. And so what we want to do is rather than leave it out of the mapping, if you actually filter by any of the wards, that project will still show up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 27186.665, "end": 27264.185, "text": "Totally. And I see that like I see those all. I guess I'm specifically looking. I I was actually like looking specifically at the projects for the wards, and as I was sort of clicking through the ones that are of mostly of local benefit, right? And I think that that actually gives us an understanding about where, like, there are the projects that we need to do, absolutely, that benefit the entire city. But if we are, I think to Councillor Pantozopoulos' point around like understanding this difference of investing in the sidewalk repairs in neighborhoods that are already existing versus building those new sidewalks. And the way I can kind of do that a little bit is looking at the wards that are fully built out, wards four, seven, and eight are the only ones that are fully built out. I can then look at the specific projects within those areas and whether, yeah, what how that compares to the capital infrastructure that we're putting elsewhere. And then I do, and when I look at those comparisons, I see a bit of a lack in terms of just making sure that we're balancing those priorities, especially when a number of the projects that are listed are actually still serving outer city growth because it is about expansions of roadways, these kinds of things that are really to serve growth on the edge of the city, not necessarily the folks in the established areas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27264.785, "end": 27268.765, "text": "Appreciate the feedback. We'll continue to make improvements to this dashboard as we go." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 27268.845, "end": 27277.625, "text": "That's great. Thank you for all the the work. It is I this dashboard is. Despite those little challenges, that's I just want it to get better. So thank you. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27277.965, "end": 27278.185, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27282.925, "end": 27283.225, "text": "Go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27284.005, "end": 27287.565, "text": "I I'll just want to jump in and echo there. Like, I know that I've" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27288.785, "end": 27297.965, "text": "written just about all of administration pretty hard as it relates to like stop giving us PDFs. And certainly when I looked at this one today, I was like," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27298.265, "end": 27318.145, "text": "my eyes were bleeding. I was like, this is can't be possible. Uh and so when you when you gave in your presentation, you gave us the URL, like you know immediately I typed in, yeah, like this is exactly where we're looking to go to. So kudos to everyone administration who are heading there. I think to Counselor Atkinson's point, we're probably like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 27318.325, "end": 27343.465, "text": "A seven out of ten right now. There's a lot more information in there. I'd love to get to the point of like hyperlinks to the actual projects, like those kinds of things. I won't get into the details here today, but I did just as we sort of wrap up this item, I thought it was uh pertinent that we uh that we thank administration for listening and hearing what it is that we're looking for because um these are so much more useful than the PDFs. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27344.845, "end": 27348.245, "text": "All I can say is it would have been beneficial to have it before Stampede," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27348.685, "end": 27350.365, "text": "not during Stampede." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27352.365, "end": 27355.485, "text": "Anyways, uh thanks for the report. I appreciate it. And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27356.325, "end": 27358.485, "text": "on that note, I will seek a mover." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27359.005, "end": 27360.085, "text": "Councillor Pancelopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27360.985, "end": 27363.485, "text": "Any opening and or closing statements?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 27365.405, "end": 27368.265, "text": "No, I think we've all said it. Thank you so much again. Echo the comments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27368.825, "end": 27369.085, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 27369.085, "end": 27369.845, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27370.085, "end": 27374.265, "text": "Great work. Um administration, Madam Clerks, if you can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27374.705, "end": 27376.165, "text": "queue up the scribe, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27386.845, "end": 27388.265, "text": "Councilor Atkinson, your role, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 27389.645, "end": 27389.985, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 27391.705, "end": 27392.565, "text": "Chair, all votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27393.345, "end": 27393.825, "text": "Please" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27394.285, "end": 27395.665, "text": "display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27400.925, "end": 27403.045, "text": "The motion is carried unanimously nine zero." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27403.285, "end": 27406.805, "text": "I believe that concludes our items for the day, with the exception of making note that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27407.305, "end": 27408.705, "text": "got a couple briefing notes that you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27408.905, "end": 27410.025, "text": "probably should pay attention to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27412.145, "end": 27412.445, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27412.685, "end": 27413.565, "text": "I have a mover to adjourn." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27414.245, "end": 27414.705, "text": "So move." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27414.925, "end": 27415.945, "text": "Move by counselor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27416.665, "end": 27417.285, "text": "Uh Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27418.265, "end": 27418.945, "text": "On that we agree." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27419.845, "end": 27420.485, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27421.585, "end": 27422.425, "text": "Any none. That's carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27422.725, "end": 27423.325, "text": "We are adjourned." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27424.525, "end": 27424.925, "text": "Great day." } ], "num_speakers": 37 }