{ "file": "/tmp/tmpfdw3u0cs/f9e4a441-33c2-43e4-9bbf-b59e1a021c1e.mkv", "segments": [ { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 707.425, "end": 708.265, "text": "Alright." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 710.625, "end": 712.325, "text": "Welcome back, committee" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 713.085, "end": 713.765, "text": "colleagues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 714.165, "end": 715.465, "text": "Let's get back to business." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 716.185, "end": 720.165, "text": "Um welcome to July thirteenth uh community development committee meeting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 720.385, "end": 720.825, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 722.065, "end": 723.405, "text": "clerks, roll call, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 723.745, "end": 725.545, "text": "Thank you. On the roll, Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 726.065, "end": 726.745, "text": "Councillor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 727.225, "end": 727.565, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 727.805, "end": 728.465, "text": "Councillor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 729.145, "end": 729.805, "text": "Councilor Clark," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 730.345, "end": 731.105, "text": "Councilor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 731.525, "end": 731.685, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 732.025, "end": 732.705, "text": "Councilor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 732.925, "end": 733.965, "text": "Councilor Panzazopoulos," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 734.245, "end": 734.825, "text": "Councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 735.125, "end": 735.765, "text": "Councilor Chabot," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 736.285, "end": 736.865, "text": "Councilor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 737.585, "end": 738.265, "text": "Councilor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 738.625, "end": 739.225, "text": "Councillor McLean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 739.565, "end": 739.805, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 740.405, "end": 741.005, "text": "Mayor Farkas," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 742.605, "end": 743.365, "text": "Vice Chair Tyres," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 744.025, "end": 744.145, "text": "Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 744.485, "end": 745.145, "text": "and Chair Doddle." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 745.765, "end": 746.125, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 747.345, "end": 750.485, "text": "I'm gonna go to Councilor Cali for the land acknowledgement, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 753.565, "end": 851.865, "text": "Thank you very much, Chair. Oki Ambawastic, Donna Destada, Talonshe, Bonjour, and hello. Welcome back, everyone. Exciting to finally be back here with everyone in chambers. As we normally do here at the beginning of our council meetings, we want to appreciate uh acknowledge and appreciate that we are gathered today on the ancestral and traditional territory of the Blackfoot Nations, of the Siksica, the Bakani, and the Guinea First Nations, uh the Yithka Nakota, Whiskestabi First Nations, which comprises the Chinnake, Bears Pond, Goodstoney First Nations, and the Sutina First Nation. The city of Calgary is also homeland to the historic Northwest Metis government, uh, Metis, uh, including Metis Nation, Battle River Territory, Nose Hill, uh, Metis District 5, and Elbow, Metis District 6. Uh, during Stampede, I have to say, one of the one of the most exciting things that I got to experience was uh thanks to Tourism Calgary. We went out to Soutina Nation and had a wonderful uh uh historical lesson told through a theater piece uh um from uh from an elder uh about the history of the Soutina people and the horse. Uh and then after that, uh we followed that up with um getting to watch the kids do an indigenous relay race. Uh so it was really cool to see like a 10-year-old hop on the back of a horse, like two hands straight on, and like off they go. Uh, it was an absolutely amazing uh opportunity for uh for us to be reminded of uh of uh where we come from and uh uh and the importance of this land uh that we acknowledge and give gratitude to the many First Nations, Metis and Inuit, who uh live here and call Calgary home. Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 852.745, "end": 853.945, "text": "Thank you so much," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 854.245, "end": 855.545, "text": "uh Counselor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 856.425, "end": 856.865, "text": "Cali." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 857.205, "end": 857.785, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 858.365, "end": 862.625, "text": "we don't have any opening remarks. Can I get someone to move the agenda, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 864.765, "end": 869.165, "text": "Councilor Yule, any opposition seeing none, hearing none, that's moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 869.565, "end": 870.945, "text": "Uh can I get someone to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 871.325, "end": 875.685, "text": "move the confirmation of minutes from our June 10th, 2026 CDC meeting?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 877.125, "end": 885.905, "text": "Councilor Atkinsons, any opposition seeing none, uh hearing none, that's passed. Uh clerks, we go to our agenda at hand, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 887.485, "end": 888.585, "text": "Sorry, Chair, I didn't hear you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 889.005, "end": 890.425, "text": "Uh we just go to our agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 890.525, "end": 891.345, "text": "Yeah, that's correct. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 891.345, "end": 910.445, "text": "Thank you. Colleagues, we got six five items. Three are pretty straightforward, changes to terms of references to align with MGA. We got Foxville Barley that we have debated at council at length. And then we got FCSS funding recommendations. With that, we will go to 7.2 Advisory Committee on Accessibility and Access Design Subcommittee Bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 913.105, "end": 924.765, "text": "Good morning, Chair and members of committee. My name is Christina Mattern. I'm a leader with community strategies. I'm here to present on the proposed advisory committee on accessibility by law." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 925.465, "end": 944.565, "text": "They aren't able to join us in chambers today, but they have been well engaged on this bylaw. This presentation and report supports transitioning the committee to be a bylaw in compliance with the 2022 amendments to the Municipal Government Act, which requires council committees to be established by bylaw. It also formalizes the access design subcommittee within that bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 945.185, "end": 946.085, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 948.225, "end": 975.245, "text": "There are two recommendations before you today. First, that the Community Development Committee recommend that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw, continuing the Advisory Committee on Accessibility and formally establishing the Access Design Committee Subcommittee as a council committee. Second, confirm the existing members of the Access Design Subcommittee and fill any remaining vacancies as per the standard process in October. Together, these steps ensure continuity while strengthening governance. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 977.045, "end": 1002.925, "text": "The proposed changes are largely administrative but important. So moving to a bylaw ensures compliance with the Municipal Government Act. And because both the Advisory Committee on Accessibility and the Access Design Subcommittee were originally established by Resolution and Council in 1999, this update is required to modernize the structure by enabling or by formalizing both groups under one governance framework and enabling remuneration for public members of the subcommittee, whose work involves" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1003.425, "end": 1006.625, "text": "a high volume of technical review and specialized expertise." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1007.785, "end": 1008.665, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1012.045, "end": 1034.905, "text": "The Advisory Committee on Accessibility provides strategic advice to council and administration on policies and initiatives that impact Calgarians with disabilities. This work includes work on the Accessibility Policy and Plan, the Calgary Plan, and other major corporate initiatives, as well as input on inclusive hiring, service delivery, and awareness initiatives, including the accessibility awards, which were presented in chambers in May." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1035.525, "end": 1069.585, "text": "In addition to specific initiatives, the committee looks across the organization to identify accessibility gaps in policies, programs, and services. They provide recommendations to improve accessibility across city services, helping ensure accessibility is considered in how the city operates overall. Their advice leads to practical improvements. For example, the committee supported more accessible municipal elections, including recommending an accessible voting station at Defon here, Alberta, in the last municipal election. They also supported more accessible city communications, including sign language interpretation and improved captioning during the 2024 water main break." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1071.065, "end": 1071.945, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1073.025, "end": 1113.685, "text": "The Access Design Subcommittee provides detailed technical review on major city infrastructure and public realm projects. This includes projects such as Green Line LRT, Olympic Plaza, Scotia Place, Streetscapes, Bridges, and other civic spaces. The subcommittee also contributes to citywide standards, policies, and plans, including the Access Design Standards and the Street Manual. Their advice focuses on practical accessibility considerations such as routes, ramps, wayfinding, circulation, site lines, and amenities. By bringing together technical expertise and lived experience early in the design process, the subcommittee helps improve accessibility outcomes in our infrastructure and reduces the need for costly changes later." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1114.805, "end": 1115.685, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1117.005, "end": 1150.225, "text": "So there are four main areas of change within the proposed bylaw from their terms of reference. First, the language has been updated and the scope expanded to reflect current accessibility practices across programs, services, infrastructure, and communications. Second, the subcommittee would be formally established by bylaw. Third, member composition roles are clarified, including making city administrative members non-voting. And finally, administrative updates support committee operations, including a co-chair model, attendance expectations, a cap on the number of meetings, and removal of code of conduct provisions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1152.185, "end": 1153.125, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1153.925, "end": 1168.325, "text": "To conclude, we are requesting that the Community Development Committee consider the recommendations before you. These changes ensure compliance, strengthen governance, and support the continued advancement of accessibility across the city. Thank you, and I'm happy to take any questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 1169.665, "end": 1181.225, "text": "Thank you for your presentation. Before we go to questions, I'm just going to open it to the public speaking. Anyone here wish to speak to this item? Advisory committee on accessibility and access design subcommittee bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 1182.185, "end": 1188.945, "text": "Hearing none, seeing none, we'll close the public portion. We'll go to questions for administration. Over to Councillor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1190.585, "end": 1191.605, "text": "Yeah. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1191.985, "end": 1204.965, "text": "the report says the bylaw enables compensation for access design subcommittee members and calls the cost modest. What is the actual estimated annual dollar figure and why is it not in the report?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1206.325, "end": 1224.925, "text": "Yeah, the annual dollar figure is $25,000. It's not in the report because we will be able to absorb that within our current operating costs. This is the first year we've done remuneration. So based on remuneration for our advisory committee on accessibility, we feel like this will we will be able to absorb it. So it wasn't an additional cost listed in the report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1225.565, "end": 1226.025, "text": "But it w" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1226.825, "end": 1229.045, "text": "it wasn't last year, right? So this is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1229.045, "end": 1237.565, "text": "Sorry, yes, in 2026 is the first year we remunerated committees. But so the subcommittee was never part of that original remuneration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1238.485, "end": 1241.545, "text": "the $25,000 max, and that includes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1242.545, "end": 1243.645, "text": "the additional members." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1245.005, "end": 1251.045, "text": "Uh the neither of the both of these committees have been running since 1999, so we're not adding any additional members." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1251.045, "end": 1251.985, "text": "Sorry, yeah, right. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1251.985, "end": 1263.145, "text": "Yeah. But yes, it does include that's $25,000 is for the remuneration of the subcommittee. The advisory committee on accessibility is remunerated in a similar way, and that's a different amount." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1264.885, "end": 1268.365, "text": "I mean $25,000 is still quite a bit of money. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1269.205, "end": 1275.565, "text": "Wouldn't it have been better for transparency to include it as it wasn't included last year? Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1276.325, "end": 1281.445, "text": "I mean just for future reports. Like it would be great to have that total on there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1281.905, "end": 1294.305, "text": "Absolutely. If if the bylaw is approved and that remuneration occurs, then we will make sure that that's included and listed as a budget item. We haven't actually we haven't paid that amount to date because they haven't been remunerated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1294.485, "end": 1300.505, "text": "Right. But as a committee, we allow public members to come speak on it, which they don't at council. That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1301.185, "end": 1301.625, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1301.945, "end": 1306.565, "text": "I mean, more information for the public to have a say on, I think would be better. So just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1306.565, "end": 1306.965, "text": "Absolutely." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1306.965, "end": 1309.905, "text": "just a thought for the future. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1311.725, "end": 1320.645, "text": "Can you give me any examples where this subcommittee subcommittee uh design review measurably avoided retrofit costs and the estimated value of that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1321.805, "end": 1368.185, "text": "I won't be able to give you the estimated value, but we can absolutely follow up with some of that information. The subcommittee provided feedback that led to some design adjustments, improving flow and user flow in public buildings, including tactile and navigation for people with vision loss and wayfinding. That occurred in the Arts Center, the Workland Center update, as well as the Municipal Visitor Information Center in our own building here. Now, we of course can't really quantify the cost of what was avoided because we don't know what may have been built if they hadn't provided that advice, but we do know that their advice did make a substantial difference in how those projects came to fruition in their design." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1368.285, "end": 1373.205, "text": "Would our own planning department not be able to make recommendations outside of a committee?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1373.325, "end": 1412.725, "text": "Yes, absolutely. So city staff and the groups that work on those infrastructure projects absolutely still hold a valuable place in the process for all of these reviews. It is the subcommittee gets pulled in where there is nuance to how the standards may apply or how the legislation around accessibility may apply. And so, and also for lived experience, so particular people with particular disabilities and their particular lived experience were able to reach out to them and actually get their feedback. They don't see every single project that comes through. They are identified by our infrastructure colleagues as projects that need an additional input from the community and from people who have lived experience." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1412.925, "end": 1416.145, "text": "And a lot of these members of this committee have lived experience." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1416.145, "end": 1417.885, "text": "Yes, the majority do. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1417.885, "end": 1420.525, "text": "Was that a requirement to be a part of this? Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1420.525, "end": 1434.565, "text": "Yeah. It's a requirement for the majority to have lived experience with the disability. Um and then the other qualification is that they have um a knowledge of how to apply accessibility considerations into the bill form. So that could be professional expertise." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1435.205, "end": 1435.725, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1436.745, "end": 1437.665, "text": "Many come with both." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1438.885, "end": 1442.105, "text": "Right. And so this is actually for future" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1443.665, "end": 1449.225, "text": "changes to these committees, not specifically on this committee itself, because I think this committee does a really good job. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1450.205, "end": 1453.845, "text": "If we didn't do this, what would happen to the committee?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1454.505, "end": 1455.985, "text": "If we don't you don't approve the bylaw," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1455.985, "end": 1464.905, "text": "Yeah, well, because it we went from resolution to bylaw under the new MGA under the red tape reduction. So if we didn't send this to council and it didn't go through as a bylaw," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1465.665, "end": 1467.425, "text": "it would cease to exist, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1468.025, "end": 1481.905, "text": "I I may ask clerks about the legislative mechanisms there. I believe if it doesn't, if the bylaw doesn't go forward, we continue to operate under a terms of reference until such time council brings forward the direction to um decommission the committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1481.905, "end": 1483.845, "text": "It wouldn't naturally cease." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1484.465, "end": 1487.785, "text": "Don't believe so, but I'm not sure if uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 1488.645, "end": 1489.845, "text": "Mr. Frasier or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1489.845, "end": 1490.845, "text": "Oh, yes, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1491.125, "end": 1494.085, "text": "Uh Sean Son from the law department." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1494.265, "end": 1522.305, "text": "As was explained, this committee was originally established pursuant to resolution. The MGA requirement is now that committees have to be established by bylaw. If council doesn't approve this bylaw, it leaves it leaves the committee in a bit of a nebulous situation. So my recommendation would be if councils of a mind to pass the bylaw, if they don't want to do that, it would really by implication mean that the committee no longer exists. But I would recommend council expressly then rescind the resolution." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1523.605, "end": 1528.965, "text": "It's just we're in a funny kind because of the MGA changes, we're in a funny kind of nebulous situation here. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1529.265, "end": 1531.165, "text": "Okay, so clearly if we did not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1531.525, "end": 1532.985, "text": "send this to council for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1533.485, "end": 1535.945, "text": "three bylaw readings, it would cease to exist." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1537.405, "end": 1541.145, "text": "in the absence of a can of rescinding the original resolution, it it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1542.025, "end": 1550.005, "text": "th there's no clear answer. It it puts the the committee in an a uh uh awkward position because it's it's it's uh hasn't been expressly addressed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1551.445, "end": 1555.445, "text": "Through the provincial government, you mean? Like under the MGA's rules, like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1555.825, "end": 1558.605, "text": "It it's you you you're not you don't seem sure about this and I'm just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1558.605, "end": 1586.805, "text": "Well it's it's the the provinces put us in a bit of a funny situation because originally most of the council committees were established by resolution. This this requirement now that they have to be established by bylaw means arguably by implication, any committee that doesn't, that hasn't been established by bylaw is no longer in existence. But because the provincial legislation doesn't include any sort of provisions around that situation, it as I say leaves us in kind of a nebulous situation. At which point," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1587.645, "end": 1597.805, "text": "law's advice would be if there's any committee that council doesn't want to establish by bylaw, I would then want to express I would advise council to expressly deal with it by rescinding the original resolution." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1598.485, "end": 1602.185, "text": "do we know how many committees aren't established by bylaw right now?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1604.025, "end": 1605.145, "text": "I personally don't know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1605.445, "end": 1606.125, "text": "Okay. And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1606.125, "end": 1607.585, "text": "I can say that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1608.885, "end": 1617.665, "text": "there's an ongoing process to update all the existing committees, to have them essentially continued by bylaw, but I don't know where where the numbers are at that point." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1618.945, "end": 1622.825, "text": "but that under the MGA it doesn't give us a time frame. It doesn't say it has to be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1623.825, "end": 1624.985, "text": "It it does not, no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1625.545, "end": 1627.745, "text": "that we could just leave it as is and just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1628.105, "end": 1629.565, "text": "It's it's not ideal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1630.045, "end": 1649.945, "text": "This hasn't been a real problem for us because one of the key pieces here is that virtually all of the council committees are not decision makers. Council's not delegated any authority to them. They're all advisory. So it's from a legal point of view, it's really not an issue. It's not a huge problem. It's more of an administrative thing to bring them up into alignment with the MGA." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1652.065, "end": 1653.145, "text": "Okay. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1653.725, "end": 1659.585, "text": "again, I'm not specifically talking about this committee. I was just hoping to get an overarching understanding of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1660.565, "end": 1669.445, "text": "Potentially what you guys understand on this, but um so would it help if the MGA was a bit clearer on how these are supposed to be formed? Like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1669.865, "end": 1697.485, "text": "Well I think at this point the best the best thing is going forward is continue with the process that as these various committees are are coming up for review that they come to come to council to be established by bylaw or more accurately continued by bylaw to make it express explicit because in the meantime we have this this again sort of nebulous situation that we we are there's a technical noncompliance with the MGA, but there's really no legal implications to that because of the nature of these committees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1697.765, "end": 1700.885, "text": "right, and so to get rid of a current committee," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1701.205, "end": 1705.705, "text": "it would just be a simple council decision to get rid of a committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1706.285, "end": 1723.925, "text": "Yeah, absolutely. For an existing committee that was established by resolution, council would pass a new resolution essentially disestablishing that committee. So I would again, law's advice would be if council is a mind to look at a committee and disestablish it, do so expressly, not leave it in this middle ground." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1724.645, "end": 1734.045, "text": "I also think it's important to let council know of all our options, right? Um, and an option would be to again, not specifically on this committee, but not to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1734.445, "end": 1740.165, "text": "have a bylaw for a committee if we want to get rid of committees, as if we were to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1740.545, "end": 1744.085, "text": "Create a committee through a bylaw, it would take three readings to get rid of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1745.745, "end": 1746.225, "text": "Right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1746.825, "end": 1751.205, "text": "I'm sorry, if for a committee that was already established by bylaw, it could only be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1752.025, "end": 1752.805, "text": "sorry, say again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1752.805, "end": 1757.845, "text": "If we were to establish this committee by bylaw to get rid of it, we would also have to rescind that bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1758.925, "end": 1769.725, "text": "No, because the committee was originally established by resolution to disestablish it, council just needs a resolution. If the bylaws passed today to continue the committee, and then down the line," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1769.725, "end": 1770.085, "text": "Yeah, that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1770.085, "end": 1778.005, "text": "there's a disestablish. Yes, at that point, any committee that was established or continued by bylaw could only been could only be disestablished by another bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1778.105, "end": 1783.345, "text": "right. And sorry, GM Black. Uh do we know how many committees and boards we currently have?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1785.885, "end": 1795.185, "text": "Councillor Johnston, I don't have that number off the top of my head, but I will look for it even as we're in this meeting and uh let you know when I found it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1795.285, "end": 1796.665, "text": "Okay, great. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1797.265, "end": 1805.185, "text": "the only reason I'm bringing this up is is Edmonton is looking at cutting back on some of their boards and committees. And again, I'm not saying this one. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1806.505, "end": 1806.865, "text": "it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1808.665, "end": 1811.645, "text": "I don't know. I I j I I would say going forward, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1812.385, "end": 1816.345, "text": "letting us know as councils all of our options and one of them would be to not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1818.685, "end": 1833.025, "text": "not continue with every single committee and board we have right now, um, looking to reduce costs, reduce uh because now everything with committees come with a cost, right? That's correct. Is it every committee now is under remuneration?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1835.745, "end": 1843.985, "text": "I'm still going to Deputy Uh Clerk Fraser, but there is the policy regarding remuneration of committee members, but I'm not conversant with that. I apologize." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 1844.325, "end": 1844.785, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1844.885, "end": 1869.785, "text": "Correct. So the remuneration policy applies generally unless uh a bylaw, for example, applies in uh the one example I can think of which isn't currently constituted is the council compensation review committee. Its members are expressly not uh remunerated for their service to that particular committee. Um but with respect to all other committees that council policy applies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1871.105, "end": 1874.845, "text": "Would we be able to get a list of all committees that receive" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1876.045, "end": 1876.565, "text": "money?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1877.065, "end": 1881.665, "text": "Yes, uh we don't I don't have that list in front of me, but I can certainly uh provide that list." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1881.745, "end": 1885.465, "text": "Because if there's 90 committees and they're all receiving $25,000." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1886.045, "end": 1908.265, "text": "I think the um the the the policy only applies uh counselor joinston to um committees established by council. I think there's something in the order of approximately, and I'm just giving an approximation, I have to confirm this, 20 to 25 committees that um that are established by council that receive which whose public members receive compensation through the remuneration policy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1908.785, "end": 1913.085, "text": "Right, which is what we're doing right now is we're reintroducing new committees" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1913.645, "end": 1914.965, "text": "by bylaw through" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 1915.205, "end": 1921.665, "text": "potentially through council, which will then enact have them being paid for these committees, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 1922.745, "end": 1951.585, "text": "Yes, uh the remuneration policy applies regardless of whether their committee is currently operating under terms of reference or whether it's operating under uh the authority of a bylaw established by council. But um but that's correct, yes, in this particular case, um there are committees can being continued through the report, as I understand, and leave that to administration to comment. But um those public members, like members of other boards, commissions, and committees, would be eligible for remuneration and expenses under the provisions of the council policy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1954.025, "end": 1967.305, "text": "Counselor Johnston, if I may follow up. Um, the total number of boards, committees, and commissions is 81. That includes things like business improvement areas that are not um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 1967.925, "end": 2002.165, "text": "Remunerated for their participation the way the council committees we're talking about right now are. So, what I would like to propose is that we put together a memo that sort of creates a table or something that shows you what all names, which committees fall in what categories, how many in total, which ones are remunerated, and so on, and circulate that to all members of council because clearly, depending on how we ask the question, we're going to get slightly different answers. So we'll pull that together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2002.285, "end": 2003.525, "text": "I appreciate that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2004.065, "end": 2010.745, "text": "And so going forward, do we know how many more of these committees are gonna be recommended to be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2010.985, "end": 2011.785, "text": "bylawed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2014.185, "end": 2049.565, "text": "I could I could provide a general comment. I don't have an exact number, Councilor Johnston. I know there's several on today's agenda. I believe there's a couple more coming forward. There is a we have been working with administration and the city clerk's office to support moving forward to ensure that we getting all of the uh committees into compliance with the bylaw requirement. So you'll see a small wave of them this year, and I think the goal uh is to have them all converted, all of the terms of reference. Um all the committees that are operating under terms of reference um established so that they're operating under a bylaw this year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2050.545, "end": 2054.145, "text": "And just like uh sorry, um Jim Black, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2055.285, "end": 2056.805, "text": "What committees would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2058.645, "end": 2066.045, "text": "non-compliant with remuneration? Like the BIA, like you said there's a bunch of committees. Like would they be able to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2066.465, "end": 2069.485, "text": "ask for it? Or is it under terms of reference they can't?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2073.565, "end": 2104.285, "text": "Sorry? They wouldn't be eligible for it. So it's to do with the terms of reference or the bylaw that will describe those details. One additional piece of information since my last comments is that there are 26 specifically named boards, commissions, and committees. And although I don't know for certain that those are the ones with the remuneration components, so we'll still get that table together. But the narrower number is 26." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2105.525, "end": 2105.805, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2106.965, "end": 2107.645, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2108.665, "end": 2111.405, "text": "I'll save my next questions for the next one. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2115.945, "end": 2117.265, "text": "Thank you over to Councilor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2118.085, "end": 2126.425, "text": "And just a related question here, the bylaw bit, just uh as it relates to subcommittees specifically. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2127.185, "end": 2142.825, "text": "is there like in the MGA, are we like do we really have to do the established by bylaw every single subcommittee? So for example, if any of our committees decided that they could use some additional uh expertise or something, that has to be established by council, is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2144.705, "end": 2157.445, "text": "The MGA doesn't specify, it doesn't even uh contemplate subcommittees. I think in practice, I I think there has been subcommittees. I'm sorry, I think there has been situations where a committee has established a subcommittee for a particular purpose." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2158.645, "end": 2173.425, "text": "The best course of action, if it if it's a standing subcommittee that's going to continue to exist, it's worthwhile to have it included in the bylaw to address it explicitly, just to remove any doubt. But again, because these these committees are all advisory in nature, it's not a critical issue from a legal point of view." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 2174.085, "end": 2175.665, "text": "Okay, I'll leave that there for now. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2178.705, "end": 2182.645, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Kelly. I don't see anyone else in the queue over to Councilor Atkinson to move." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 2185.065, "end": 2187.325, "text": "Yeah, happy to move this. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 2189.045, "end": 2189.885, "text": "the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 2190.865, "end": 2277.765, "text": "These two committees, I mean, so we've had we've had the overall sort of accessibility committee for a long time, done incredible work, continuing to do incredible work. Love hearing about some of the changes uh around elections and sort of just making government more accessible. Uh even things like the height adjustable uh stand over there, I know was uh a recommendation that came from uh the accessibility committee. And so these kinds of ways in making our city hall more accessible, uh government more accessible to more people, but then also this subcommittee that has been doing a ton of work. You may remember a couple uh months ago we received reports from all the boards, chairs, commissions, committees, whatever, um, and this was noted um, this committee, this subcommittee, uh, and the incredible amount of work that the Access Design Subcommittee has been doing. So to formalize that, I think is a really great step because I think it will also make it more visible to members of administration as a group that they can go to and rely on and get uh embedded earlier in the process. And the earlier we build these things into our processes, the better we'll have uh outcomes on the other side. So very happy to see that one being more formally recognized and not just sort of sitting in the in the land of subcommittees and doing a ton of work, but to actually be escalated to that higher level. So with that, uh moved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2278.725, "end": 2281.605, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Atkinson, over to Councilor Johnston for amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2283.645, "end": 2285.785, "text": "Yeah, sorry, I just sent it to the clerks there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2285.945, "end": 2286.345, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2290.745, "end": 2292.165, "text": "Apologies, I'm just gonna take one minute." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2292.165, "end": 2295.565, "text": "I know, sorry, yeah. Um but I I can just read it out, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2296.065, "end": 2296.585, "text": "You wanna open the one?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2296.585, "end": 2296.925, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2297.285, "end": 2298.025, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2298.865, "end": 2306.185, "text": "So just simple, I think this is good for because public are going to see the record on this. And I think going forward it should be a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2306.825, "end": 2328.245, "text": "pretty standard process. Uh require administration to state the estimated annual remuneration and support costs of the record before third reading. Um and then I just wanted to add that we should have a budget versus actual costs when the committee comes back to us. Um I don't remember what the the day is called when we have all the boards and committees come" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2329.005, "end": 2329.925, "text": "and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2330.105, "end": 2335.265, "text": "Report to us. And I I think it would be important just to see what the cost value of that would be going forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2336.685, "end": 2338.505, "text": "Do we have it uh in writing?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2339.605, "end": 2341.525, "text": "Apologies, I just need uh 30 seconds." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2341.525, "end": 2343.085, "text": "No, no problem. Sorry, no rush." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2344.825, "end": 2346.045, "text": "I think. Gene Black, you want to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2346.045, "end": 2374.565, "text": "Yes, if if I may comment just while uh clerks is doing their process, I think that those are very reasonable adjustments. And uh I think one of the things for us to keep in mind is remuneration for any committee uh is a new phenomenon. So uh asking for that uh budget to actuals update uh when we do the annual report or the annual meeting on boards, committees, commissions is a great idea." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2374.705, "end": 2383.785, "text": "Right, because because you're not you you're not potentially using the full amount as well. So you might be using a quarter of it, half of it. Um I just think for a little bit of uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2385.025, "end": 2391.685, "text": "uh more for data going forward, right? Something to look back to for what you know five, six years down the road. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2392.705, "end": 2395.045, "text": "um and then my other question if that's okay," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2396.045, "end": 2401.025, "text": "just waiting for the clear go ahead. Oh um Does administration have the power?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2402.065, "end": 2410.325, "text": "Even if it was a council resolution to dissolve um committees? Because I I can't remember where I read it, but there was like 25 or something" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2411.625, "end": 2416.285, "text": "groups, committees. I can't remember exactly what it was, but you guys eliminated one of them, but then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2416.725, "end": 2421.885, "text": "put some of that money into the rest of the committees. Am I did I read that wrong?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2423.765, "end": 2427.105, "text": "So administration doesn't have the power to dissolve" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2428.705, "end": 2432.665, "text": "I see Mr. Swin is coming back to the microphone, so he'll be able to confirm." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2432.665, "end": 2446.305, "text": "I'm not sure about the s those specific circumstances, but to the general question, yes, if council has established a committee, only council can disestablish it. And as we talked earlier, it may be by resolution or by repealing a bylaw, depending on the circumstances, but it's council's prerogative." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2446.645, "end": 2451.825, "text": "Okay. Does administration have power on any groups, uh boards to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2452.665, "end": 2457.525, "text": "Administration has established its own committees, and that's within administration's. Right. Maybe that's what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2457.225, "end": 2457.365, "text": "That's what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2457.525, "end": 2458.205, "text": "I read. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2458.205, "end": 2468.045, "text": "Yeah, that's different, but something established by council, only council can make changes to that. Unless somehow council empowered administration to make changes, but generally not." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2469.685, "end": 2473.165, "text": "Do we know any of the any boards that council has given" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 2473.185, "end": 2487.705, "text": "Oh, not to my knowledge. It'd be very unusual, so I can't think of any. I doubt that there is. Council can delegate things to administration, but in this in this context, I don't think they have. I'm certainly not aware of any circumstances in which council has done that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2487.805, "end": 2489.045, "text": "okay, perfect. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2490.145, "end": 2491.685, "text": "Uh yeah. Are you closed with that? Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2492.225, "end": 2496.645, "text": "Um sorry, close. Uh I just want to m make sure we got it up here. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2496.865, "end": 2498.225, "text": "Yeah, if you can talk to it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2503.345, "end": 2505.025, "text": "I yeah, I think that's pretty straightforward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2505.205, "end": 2505.965, "text": "Um I hope" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2506.325, "end": 2506.925, "text": "count or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2507.245, "end": 2508.825, "text": "committee can support that. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2509.905, "end": 2510.285, "text": "thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2510.625, "end": 2510.985, "text": "Close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2511.485, "end": 2511.645, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2512.105, "end": 2514.465, "text": "Okay, over to East Cribe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2514.785, "end": 2515.525, "text": "report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2527.585, "end": 2528.685, "text": "Can we do voice vote?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2532.405, "end": 2537.285, "text": "Yeah, we do seem to be having a technical difficulty with the vote, so a voice vote would be fine. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2537.425, "end": 2539.485, "text": "Okay, we'll call the voice vote any." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2539.765, "end": 2540.005, "text": "Oh," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2540.765, "end": 2541.445, "text": "we can vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2547.025, "end": 2548.645, "text": "We are collecting the e-votes now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2554.205, "end": 2555.485, "text": "Counselor Atkinson, your vote please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 2556.425, "end": 2556.785, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2559.185, "end": 2560.085, "text": "Chair, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2560.485, "end": 2561.725, "text": "Let's display the votes, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2565.005, "end": 2566.445, "text": "Thank you for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2567.105, "end": 2569.605, "text": "Good amendment, Councillor Johnson, to be honest." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2569.745, "end": 2572.965, "text": "It's good to put some transparency and show it to public." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2573.245, "end": 2577.425, "text": "Over to Councillor Atkinson to close as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2579.625, "end": 2580.805, "text": "Closed as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2581.345, "end": 2582.945, "text": "Over to E scribe, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2584.225, "end": 2587.785, "text": "Just take us a quick minute to prepare the as amended form of that. We'll be right with you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2587.905, "end": 2588.985, "text": "Stampede hangover." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2598.045, "end": 2598.685, "text": "E scribe," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2599.465, "end": 2600.445, "text": "Stampede Hangover." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2618.885, "end": 2621.725, "text": "The as amended uh version of the motion is on screen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2621.985, "end": 2622.185, "text": "Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2624.045, "end": 2626.185, "text": "Thank you, clerks. Can we go to E scribe?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2636.805, "end": 2638.045, "text": "Counselor Atkinson, your vote please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2638.805, "end": 2639.205, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 2639.625, "end": 2640.665, "text": "Thank you. Chair, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2640.885, "end": 2642.205, "text": "Let's display the boots, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2647.485, "end": 2654.845, "text": "That is carried eight nothing. I just want to correct myself on Councillor Johnston's amendment. It carried 7.1 with Councillor Clark in opposition." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2655.305, "end": 2658.405, "text": "But main motion is amended is carried 8 0. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2659.125, "end": 2664.065, "text": "With that, we go to 7.3 Social Wellbeing Advisory Committee by Law." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2668.005, "end": 2669.665, "text": "that's me again. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2670.325, "end": 2703.885, "text": "Again, my name is Christina Mattern. I'm a leader with community strategies, and I'd also like to acknowledge Joy Bowen Eyre, the chair of the Social Well-being advisory committee, who will be speaking as part of the public portion of this report. I'm here to bring forward the conversion of the Social Well-being advisory committee's terms of reference into a bylaw. The recommendations in this report have two functions. First, to bring the Social Well Being Advisory Committee into compliance with the Municipal Government Act. And second, it makes recommendations for targeted updates to align the Social Well Being Advisory Committee with the recently adopted Safer Together a community safety and well being plan for Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2705.085, "end": 2705.945, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2707.105, "end": 2729.365, "text": "There are two recommendations for you to before you today. First, the council established the Community Safety and Well-Being Advisory Committee, formerly the Social Well-being advisory committee, by giving three readings to the proposed bylaw. Second, that members serving current terms are appointed to the Community Safety and Well-Being Advisory Committee. Together, these steps ensure continuity while strengthening governance and alignment with current council priorities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2730.645, "end": 2731.565, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2733.925, "end": 2763.485, "text": "This bylaw brings the committee into compliance with the Municipal Government Act. It also simultaneously aligns the committee with council's priorities on safe city and community livability and wellbeing. The proposed changes are intended to better support coordinated cross system advice, reflecting the complexity of community safety and well being issues. Importantly, the committee's core advisory role remains unchanged, continuing to provide advice grounded in the social wellbeing policy principles with a new focus on supporting implementation of Safer Together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2764.645, "end": 2765.525, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2767.645, "end": 2809.425, "text": "The Social Wellbeing Advisory Committee provides strategic advice to council and administration to help reduce barriers and improve outcomes for all Calgarians by bringing community and system perspectives into council and administrative decision making. The committee is made up of appointed members representing seven advisory bodies, as well as six public members with professional and personal experience. Together, they identified shared priorities, discussed challenges, and provide aligned recommendations. In the last year, the committee has advised on the public transit safety strategy, the public washroom guide, the CEMA Community Survey, and the Sunalta Main Streets Project. These projects are a few examples of the committee's role in supporting safer, more inclusive services and community informed decision making." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2810.625, "end": 2811.465, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2815.205, "end": 2820.645, "text": "This slide outlines the key changes reflected in the proposed bylaw, which can also be found in attachment four of the report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2822.805, "end": 2830.005, "text": "The committee is renamed the Community Safety and Wellbeing Advisory Committee. The mandate expands its advisory focus to include" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2830.405, "end": 2843.105, "text": "to align with Safer Together. The responsibilities continue to include advising on city policies, strategies, and service delivery in accordance with the social well being policy, with a prioritized focus on supporting the implementation of Safer Together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2843.685, "end": 2870.505, "text": "The membership composition is updated to add representatives from Council's Administrative Committee on Housing and the Gender Advisory Table, and an additional non-voting administrative member to account for the expanded scope of advice. Qualifications are updated to align with the Safer Together continuum, spanning social development and prevention, which were already well represented, and adding membership with expertise in risk intervention and incident response." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2871.145, "end": 2882.485, "text": "Finally, a set of administrative updates support committee operations, including a co chair model, attendance expectations, a cap on the number of meetings, and removal of code of conduct and subcommittee provisions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2883.665, "end": 2884.465, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2886.445, "end": 2900.865, "text": "In summary, this bylaw brings the committee into compliance, aligns it with current council priorities, and strengthens its ability to provide effective advice. It ensures the committee is well positioned to support implementation of the Safer Together plan. Thank you, and I'm happy to take any questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2901.645, "end": 2906.945, "text": "Thank you for your presentation. Before we go to questions of administration, we will open it for public speaking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2907.305, "end": 2908.405, "text": "We have Joe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2909.385, "end": 2909.945, "text": "Bovener." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2911.485, "end": 2912.585, "text": "Please come to the podium" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 2917.085, "end": 2917.345, "text": "if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 2919.805, "end": 2922.065, "text": "I noticed that went down automatically because I'm short." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 2923.085, "end": 2923.945, "text": "Just want to say that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 2926.005, "end": 2926.645, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 2927.125, "end": 2927.665, "text": "ready to go?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 2929.805, "end": 2946.345, "text": "Good morning, members of council. Um thank you very much for having me speak today. I'm one of the co chairs for the Social Well Being Advisory Committee. Um my daytime job is CEO of the Alex Community Health Center, so I am on the FCSS committee and appointed by FCSS to social well being advisory." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 2946.605, "end": 3042.605, "text": "So I'm pleased to share that the committee overwhelmingly supports the recommendation before you to establish the Community Safety and Wellbeing Advisory Committee and align its mandate with a Safer Together plan. We support this recommendation because we believe it reflects an important truth. Community safety and community well-being are inseparable. When people have stable housing, access to health care, mental health and addiction supports, meaningful employment, and strong community connections, communities do become safer. When people are healthy, connected, and supported, they are less likely to experience crisis, and our emergency systems are better able to focus on emergencies. Safety is not achieved through enforcement alone. It is achieved when prevention, partnership, and well-being are part of the solution. That is exactly what Safer Together recognizes. The proposed changes position this committee to contribute where we can have the greatest impact, bringing community perspectives, lived experience, and cross-sector expertise into conversations about safety and well-being. They also strengthen coordination across advisory bodies, creating more integrated advice that reflects the complexity of the challenges facing our city. The committee is excited about this opportunity. We see this as a chance to become even more relevant to Council's priorities and to contribute meaningful advice as Safer Together is implemented. Our members represent a broad range of expertise and community perspectives. Together, we help connect the experiences of Calgarians with policy decisions that affect them every day." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 3043.345, "end": 3068.345, "text": "Over the past several years, the committee has demonstrated the values of this approach. Our work has helped inform public transit safety strategy, contributed to safer and more inclusive public washroom design, and strengthened community engagement through the CEMA Community Survey. Additionally, we have supported community informed planning initiatives such as the Sonalta Mainstreams project." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 3069.045, "end": 3074.905, "text": "These are examples of what happens when community voices are brought to the table early and intentionally." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 3075.485, "end": 3141.405, "text": "The proposed bylaw builds on that success. It does not change our commitments to the social well-being policy. Rather, it strengthens our ability to support council's priorities by bringing a coordinated, systems-based perspective to the implementation of Safer Together. Our committee remains committed to providing practical, actionable advice, and to working collaboratively with administration. We want to help ensure that the diverse experiences, concerns, and ideas of Calgaryans continue to inform decisions that affect the safety and well-being of our communities. Ultimately, this recommendation recognizes that the safest cities are those that invest not only in responding to crisis, but also in preventing it. By supporting this new mandate, Council is affirming that well being is not separate from public safety, it is fundamental to it. On behalf of the Social Wellbeing Advisory Committee, I'd like to thank administration for its collaborative work and to thank Council for its continued leadership. We respectfully ask for your support for this recommendation. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3142.885, "end": 3151.985, "text": "Thank you for your presentation. Anyone else in the lobby or uh in the in the gallery or or online wish to speak to this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3153.385, "end": 3155.565, "text": "Hearing none, seeing none." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3156.065, "end": 3160.225, "text": "Counselor Johnston, do you have a question for the speaker or for the administration?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3161.045, "end": 3161.945, "text": "Hi Joey. Hi." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3162.145, "end": 3166.025, "text": "Um no, I don't have any questions for the speaker, just administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 3166.905, "end": 3176.785, "text": "Thank you for your presentation. With that, we'll close the public speaking portion and we'll go to Councillor Johnston for question of administration. You can have a seat. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3177.485, "end": 3178.065, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3179.165, "end": 3181.585, "text": "Thank you for that. Uh your own risks" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3181.905, "end": 3187.225, "text": "section says the expanded scope may create uncertainty about this committee's role relative to other" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3187.725, "end": 3192.705, "text": "advisory bodies and safer together implementation structures. If administration" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3193.725, "end": 3195.945, "text": "cannot articulate a distinct role now," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3197.885, "end": 3199.425, "text": "well actually can you guys" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3199.805, "end": 3202.405, "text": "articulate a distinct difference?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3205.665, "end": 3257.025, "text": "Yes, thank you for the question. I think we wanted to identify that that is a risk because we are aware that it could be a risk. I think we do have a pretty well-articulated difference between what would be the Community and Safety Well-being advisory committee versus other committees. This group takes a systems-wide look at multiple different intersecting issues. Other committees have a very specific either population or issue that they are focused on. And this really helps bring all of that up together. And so for us, identifying that risk enables us to mitigate it by making sure that orientation and onboarding is very clear because we do in this structure have representatives who sit on this committee as well as another. So that's, I think we do have a fairly strong way of articulating that. But we wanted to make sure we outlined it as a risk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3257.205, "end": 3267.685, "text": "Well, I appreciate outlining it as a risk, but I mean making something bylaw is pretty binding. Wouldn't it be better to iron out those details beforehand?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3268.925, "end": 3296.125, "text": "Yeah, well I think that we have. I think that we mention it in the report as something so that committee and council are aware that we have thought through those risks and we have mitigation in place for them. I think having them, having this be in a bylaw not only gets us in compliance with the Municipal Government Act, which we're required to do, but it does really very clearly provide us with roles and responsibilities that we can then articulate during orientation and onboarding and throughout people's terms." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3299.545, "end": 3301.265, "text": "Including counsel who would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3301.745, "end": 3304.865, "text": "binding the bylaw before knowing that? Like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3305.305, "end": 3306.645, "text": "sometimes it feels like I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3307.825, "end": 3309.505, "text": "signing off on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3310.485, "end": 3312.125, "text": "like when I go to a supplier, I'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3312.325, "end": 3317.525, "text": "pay for an order and they ask me to sign that I received it before actually receiving it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3317.905, "end": 3323.725, "text": "And then finding out there was some issues with the product I purchased, but I had already signed it beforehand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3323.685, "end": 3326.525, "text": "Oh I I see. Yes. Oh sorry, Erin. Go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3327.665, "end": 3411.765, "text": "Thank you, Councillor. So, what I would say in relation to what the risk that has been identified in the report is in relation to how we work with other organizations as well. As part of this committee and the work that they have done for many, many years, this committee has advised administration on a number of different issues that intersect in social well-being but also in public safety. So, from our perspective, this was a natural fit also with the work of Safer Together, leveraging the infrastructure that already exists that advises council and providing clear line of sight to council on who is the membership of these committees, how it gets selected, et cetera, and how you decide or not to appoint different members. This is one of the mechanisms that we intend to leverage in terms of advice and input into how we implement SAFER together. We are in the process of continuing to identify opportunities with other community organizations, other community members, other civic partners, et cetera, because we are very aware of all of the complexities of implementing this work. But this is one of the mechanisms which is already existing in our infrastructure, and it's already one of the council committees that has been at work for several years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3412.885, "end": 3415.545, "text": "Okay, so one of the examples you gave us was uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3416.505, "end": 3417.425, "text": "Inclusive" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3417.665, "end": 3419.905, "text": "bathroom design was it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3421.885, "end": 3423.705, "text": "Uh yes, the public washroom guidelines." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3423.845, "end": 3429.545, "text": "So my question is, was that recommended by a subcommittee of this, or was it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3431.045, "end": 3433.585, "text": "solely from this committee itself?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3434.125, "end": 3461.485, "text": "This is actually a really great example of how this committee sort of operates. So this committee did provide specific recommendations regarding the public washroom guidelines, but they were also able to triage the project team for that to say you should go and speak to the accessibility committee and others so that they could get more specific advice around those lived experiences. And so there was a kind of a collaborative work. It was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3461.945, "end": 3469.785, "text": "social well being advisory, in addition to a number of other committees that provided advice on those guidelines, but from different levels and different viewpoints." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3469.805, "end": 3478.085, "text": "So the original idea came from a different committee, but was brought up and then helped along the way through the advisory?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3478.085, "end": 3493.245, "text": "Oh the project itself was was driven by administration as a uh something that the administration needed to look at, some consistency across public washrooms, and the committees were leveraged in per getting engagement and advice with parts of the community around that work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3494.185, "end": 3498.325, "text": "Would a lot of that conversation be on the agenda minutes or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3499.065, "end": 3499.685, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3499.685, "end": 3500.145, "text": "it would be?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3502.885, "end": 3505.725, "text": "I I guess my my thoughts and issues would be that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3508.425, "end": 3521.685, "text": "a lot of administrative um roles on these committees um are are they some of the same administrative people that are on different committees, or is it a different administrative person on every committee?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3521.685, "end": 3554.005, "text": "It's typically, if there is administration on a committee, it's different people that are usually selected for their uh positional uh expertise or experience to be on that committee to not vote or like provide but to provide some understanding of how the project might be operating or how the city would would need to consider their recommendations as they or their advice as it's brought forward. Um they provide just some expertise in that space, but they don't have any sort of voting rights." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3554.145, "end": 3562.425, "text": "I I guess just if this committee didn't exist, advisory committee, like couldn't administration help mitigate cross committee" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3564.005, "end": 3572.825, "text": "conversations, cross committee help, like cross committee, like wouldn't administration's job already be to do that without this advisory committee?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3572.925, "end": 3646.865, "text": "So, Councillor, what I would say is that yes, and we do that on an ongoing basis. What having council committees allows us to do is that there is already an existing infrastructure, members that you selected, that you supported, and that you appointed to these particular council committees. This allows us to also leverage the infrastructure that council has selected in terms of their priorities. If you want to have a council committee on accessibility, you can decide to do so. That also gives us some line of sight on how you are thinking about mobilizing your own priorities. So this is already established infrastructure that we can leverage. They have already established relationships, established meetings, established guidelines, terms of reference, et cetera. When we go to different groups, new groups, when we go and look for specific advice outside of this infrastructure, we go through the process of creating terms of reference, selecting members, identifying who to work with, et cetera. So this is usually a really good starting point for administration to bring projects to for an already vetted group of community members or volunteers that can provide their expertise based on their lived experience or professional experience." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3649.065, "end": 3663.105, "text": "Could a lot of what is brought through this advisory committee be brought through some of the nine committee members' roles who are on other advisory bodies? Could a lot of the same stuff not be brought through those other committees?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3666.345, "end": 3732.865, "text": "Yes, and and often are. I think the difference here is the type of advice. So for instance, if a project goes to accessibility, they're going to be very focused on the areas of that project that relate to accessibility for people with disabilities. Whereas this committee does two things. They can provide sort of more system-level advice that's that's sort of general to multiple different populations, more reflective of the whole of Calgary as much as we can. They also then can triage so that they can say, you know, not all the committees need to see this particular project, but you should go and speak to this one and this one. So it does end up saving us some, like administration and the projects that go forward, it does end up saving some time. So we're not necessarily going to all of the committees all of the time with one type of project. So that's sort of that's its functional piece. Um and then this committee does hold an event at least once a year where they bring all of the membership together to have shared conversations about shared priority areas. Um that's that's a that's a factor of this committee that no other committee does." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3733.905, "end": 3737.025, "text": "Do all of these can we call them subcommittees" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3737.625, "end": 3739.325, "text": "to this advisory committee?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3739.325, "end": 3741.745, "text": "I I would say law would say no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3742.705, "end": 3746.385, "text": "They they aren't. They are they are independent bodies. Um yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3746.385, "end": 3747.585, "text": "We'll call them the nine." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3748.385, "end": 3749.205, "text": "Lord of the rings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3749.525, "end": 3750.385, "text": "Yeah. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3751.665, "end": 3753.405, "text": "Are all of those paid" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3753.925, "end": 3754.665, "text": "committees?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3755.225, "end": 3756.305, "text": "No, not all of them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3756.305, "end": 3757.165, "text": "Are some of them?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3757.345, "end": 3757.925, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3757.925, "end": 3762.585, "text": "So some of them will be meeting once a year and some of them will be getting paid and some of them won't be getting paid?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3763.665, "end": 3764.265, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3764.265, "end": 3766.485, "text": "So they're gonna be looking left and right and wondering." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3766.845, "end": 3798.265, "text": "With the meeting that happens once a year, just for clarification, that's not people come to that out of their own sort of volunteer time. It's not an official meeting that council requests them to have. But they there is a difference between a council committee and uh what I think was previously referred to as an administration committee that we have struck for per for our own sort of purposes. Um and though the administration committees do not fall under the remuneration policy of council. So there is there is a uh uh differences in how they're remunerated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3798.925, "end": 3799.445, "text": "And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3800.265, "end": 3809.705, "text": "some of the nine members though, when they meet for this advisory committee, would they be getting paid for this as well as potentially their other committees? So the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3809.705, "end": 3812.185, "text": "Yeah. Because it's this it's double the amount of time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3813.665, "end": 3816.185, "text": "and the in this group would meet four times a year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3817.065, "end": 3818.565, "text": "This group meets monthly as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3819.405, "end": 3824.025, "text": "So some of these com committee members would be potentially meeting twenty four times a year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3825.805, "end": 3826.285, "text": "Twenty." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3826.625, "end": 3827.125, "text": "20." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3827.945, "end": 3828.465, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3828.565, "end": 3831.685, "text": "Yeah. Like individuals who are representing in both." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3831.685, "end": 3831.965, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3831.965, "end": 3833.345, "text": "Um they yeah, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3833.965, "end": 3835.725, "text": "yeah, twenty times a year potentially." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3841.745, "end": 3845.625, "text": "I guess my other question has to do with similar to the last uh committee, just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3846.325, "end": 3863.045, "text": "when the report says no financial impact, but we're adding three members and a second administrative support position. Um, I understand you're operating within potentially the budget you already had, but in my head is you guys are cutting a pos not cutting a position, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3867.205, "end": 3874.045, "text": "with that, like because you guys want to expand the role or the the number of voting members, correct? To this committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3874.065, "end": 3874.505, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3874.925, "end": 3880.825, "text": "Right. But if we didn't do that, that money would either be spent somewhere else or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3881.245, "end": 3884.645, "text": "you would have been that money would have been sent back to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3885.885, "end": 3888.245, "text": "big pot of gold. Like right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3888.985, "end": 3914.865, "text": "Yeah, so the if if we do expand, it would be two more voting members that would be the representatives from housing and the gender table. They would be remunerated. Our estimation is that is about $3,000 for the year for those extra two members. So yes, that that would be the extra amount that we do feel we can absorb into our current budget, particularly given this is our first year of remuneration and we haven't had our actuals yet." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3915.305, "end": 3918.425, "text": "But yes, that is correct. That's it's $3,000 for those extra two members." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3918.425, "end": 3922.845, "text": "And the administration support position, like what would that cost look like?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3923.085, "end": 3949.145, "text": "So just to be clear on that extra administration, it's not to support the committee's operations itself. It's actually to provide expertise and to actually be ears in the room so that they can take the advice and the issues being raised and bring it back into the corporation. So typically that's a position that is coming to the meeting once a month, and there's not additional, that is a position that already exists within the organization, so there's no additional cost." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 3949.485, "end": 3955.045, "text": "It would be a s a salary position? Would they get overtime to attend this? Would it be like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3955.545, "end": 3959.365, "text": "I can't really speak to how the business units would organize their time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 3959.505, "end": 4029.125, "text": "So one of the things that I would say, counselor, uh different committees are managed differently by different business units depending on the needs, the business, the structure, the outcomes of the particular committee. In community strategies, we do allocate uh resourcing in the form of positions to uh council committees because we have a large number of them. Um within community strategies, we currently manage about six different uh committees, which means that we help them coordinate all of their meetings, we help them with note-taking sometimes, agenda setting, projects, events, et cetera. So that does require administrative capacity. So what my colleague in here is trying to identify is that we already have positions that are supporting these council committees, so we already have individuals that will be attending these meetings, taking notes, et cetera. So the resourcing considerations for us is how to effectively share those resources across our six committees and community strategies. Not every business unit has the same number of committees and therefore do not have the same resourcing needs that we do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4031.045, "end": 4040.065, "text": "So some of these administrative staff, is this their only job is to support these groups, or do they do something else within the organization and then do this as a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4042.105, "end": 4042.925, "text": "I don't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 4042.925, "end": 4066.065, "text": "So this would be a primary part of their job with some of the strategic work coming out of this. So like when we talk about the washroom strategy, you do need somebody that is going to coordinate with administration what the input is going to be, how this is going to flow into the particular project that is managed in a different area, etc. So that's part of the role, and it is a full-time role." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4074.385, "end": 4076.745, "text": "removing the code of conduct. Was that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4078.885, "end": 4082.805, "text": "administration's recommendation or the advisory's recommendation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4082.805, "end": 4104.265, "text": "Neither. That's actually required by the provincial government that councils municipally and municipal and committees struck by council no longer have individual codes of conduct. My understanding is the province is working on something that will apply provincial wide, but we are not allowed to actually have our committees operate under a localized code of conduct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4104.265, "end": 4107.905, "text": "I appreciate that. I always thought that was just council members only, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4108.325, "end": 4110.025, "text": "also committees. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4111.625, "end": 4118.645, "text": "Not resolution committees, but bylaw committees, right? So we're a resolutioned committee will have a code of conduct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4120.245, "end": 4121.725, "text": "Um no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4121.725, "end": 4121.905, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4121.905, "end": 4148.185, "text": "When the provincial direction came down that the codes of conduct would no longer apply, we also no longer had a uh we did have a, I think it was a policy uh from clerks around a code of conduct for our BCCs, our boards, commissions, and committees. Um and that was that no longer applied once that provision from the province came down. So um we haven't been operating with the code of conduct for the council advisory, uh the council uh committees since then." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4148.605, "end": 4151.305, "text": "Just confirm that's entirely correct. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4151.905, "end": 4162.925, "text": "because of the Bill 50 changes last year, there is no longer the the ability for council to create a code of conduct for committee members, regardless of how that committee, council committee was established." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4163.325, "end": 4167.925, "text": "Would the administrative members of these committees be under a code a code of conduct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4168.085, "end": 4170.625, "text": "Just not just separate from the rest of the members?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4170.625, "end": 4176.965, "text": "As city employees, they'd still be subject to the city uh code of conduct for employees, which is separate. Um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4178.185, "end": 4185.125, "text": "but as a committee member, no, they would not. Uh but they're even as a committee member, they're always subject to the code the employee code of conduct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4187.445, "end": 4187.885, "text": "That" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4188.085, "end": 4189.025, "text": "seems" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4190.125, "end": 4190.745, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4191.345, "end": 4197.525, "text": "What okay, what would be the risks of not having a code of conduct while having a code of conduct? Like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4197.825, "end": 4199.045, "text": "i is it just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4199.405, "end": 4200.005, "text": "we're just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4200.785, "end": 4205.985, "text": "changing the terms of reference to match what we're supposed to have in place?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4207.265, "end": 4210.045, "text": "I guess uh does removing this code of conduct" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4210.565, "end": 4211.985, "text": "create a risk for the city?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4213.905, "end": 4221.125, "text": "Well, to be clear, the the code of conduct that applies to council committees was removed by the province. It wasn't anything the city didn't. No, I know that. I'm just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4221.125, "end": 4221.685, "text": "I'm wondering what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4221.685, "end": 4222.325, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4224.265, "end": 4238.165, "text": "I would put it this way that uh a number of years ago, when there was a code of conduct policy, council saw fit to establish it because it saw the need. This vacuum, I I I would suggest, is not ideal. Um, as was indicated, the province is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4238.725, "end": 4252.445, "text": "presumably moving in this direction to have sort of some sort of province wide code of conduct. We don't know what that looks like. But right now we are in a bit of a vacuum and I think it potentially creates problems. But it's hard to articulate any specific um to really" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4252.905, "end": 4255.145, "text": "delineate any specific risk risk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4255.145, "end": 4265.645, "text": "would it would a uh code of conduct breach under the committee and not the city code of conduct, would that be public? Would not public, but would it be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4265.905, "end": 4281.825, "text": "um better tracked? Whereas I I believe if it was a code of conduct done by a city employee, that's usually an internal issue. Um and I'm just asking you what you know of m what the previous code of conduct is that we're trying to potentially get rid of." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4282.965, "end": 4283.385, "text": "Would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4284.825, "end": 4288.745, "text": "removing that cr like you said, create a vacuum. Um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4289.685, "end": 4292.905, "text": "but was that previous code of conduct, was that um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4294.485, "end": 4300.145, "text": "a data set? Like would we we know how many of code of conduct breaches there would have been under the previous?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4301.985, "end": 4327.925, "text": "So if you're you're talking, I think you're talking about the council, sorry, the committee member code of conduct, which no longer exists. There is in fact a vacuum. Uh I'm not terribly familiar with that. It really, to my mind, addressed um conflict of interest issues. And I think in many cases it was left to the chair to address those those pieces. I don't know that if you're asking about sort of some sort of reporting or tracking, I don't know if there's any mechanism for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4327.925, "end": 4335.065, "text": "Well, I've heard of other committees where members have been not kicked out, but there'd been changes due to code of conduct. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4335.645, "end": 4346.965, "text": "I'm just wondering if that was because we had a quota conic before and going forward, could those members potentially with a co uh conflict of interest, would they basically be free to do whatever the heck they want," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4348.045, "end": 4348.825, "text": "in a sense?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4348.825, "end": 4372.865, "text": "Well in in past situations, if a count if a committee member was removed, um that would have been an action of council and presumably would have been done be because of a code of conduct breach. But the problem we're in, the situation we're in right now, there's no rule around that. So there's no there can't be a breach because there's nothing to breach. As I said, the province has left us in a vacuum because no code of conduct exists for committee members." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4373.645, "end": 4379.165, "text": "So um you guys are asking us to remove a hard cap of three consecutive terms" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4380.205, "end": 4385.085, "text": "and replace it with a council waive by two thirds vote to extend" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4385.765, "end": 4390.625, "text": "the term limits for these. Does council have the ability to remove members" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4392.585, "end": 4393.165, "text": "as well?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4394.445, "end": 4410.425, "text": "Council would always have the ability, council appoints the members, and council would have the ability to remove them. But in the absence of the code of conduct, it becomes a a bit of a harder, there's there's no framework to operate in. So it's I guess it would be council's prerogative at that point." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4411.925, "end": 4418.485, "text": "But would we be liable for potentially removing somebody under any human rights tribunal case?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4419.845, "end": 4428.765, "text": "It's very hard to generalize along that. Um that would be something that would be taken into consideration. I would say that if council was considering the removal of a committee member," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4429.805, "end": 4434.285, "text": "law would be involved and provide our advice on that aspect. I can't say on a general I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4434.925, "end": 4445.685, "text": "every situation is going to be very much dependent on the exact context. So I can't what you're saying, I can't rule that out. That could absolutely be a factor in a particular situation. Is it a factor generally? I I don't know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4445.685, "end": 4450.745, "text": "Right. I just want to know what our risk is before we establish a committee by law" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4451.365, "end": 4468.565, "text": "with the potential impacts should something terrible happen. Whereas if we didn't establish this committee by bylaw, it would again cease to exist and we would remove those risks going forward, or at least till a further date when there is a potential code of conduct coming down from the province." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4471.265, "end": 4509.465, "text": "I I don't I don't think I understand the question. With respect to the the the second piece you mentioned, and you you you referenced that in the previous item, if council chooses not to establish the committee by bylaw, law's advice would be to expressly resc rescind the resolution that originally established the committee, because otherwise we have this these committees in this this strange situation where they were validly established at the time, but are no longer MGA compliant. So the the middle ground doesn't work. We need to have either going forward established by bylaw or expressly rescinded. The code of conduct, I I I don't I confess I don't understand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4509.825, "end": 4512.605, "text": "The concern you're raising and how those two are linked, so I apologize." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4512.605, "end": 4516.085, "text": "The concern is that there won't be a code of conduct and we'll have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4516.625, "end": 4519.445, "text": "Developed a committee by bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4519.925, "end": 4524.445, "text": "And so if something were to happen under this bylawed committee" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4525.205, "end": 4537.485, "text": "and there is no code of conduct, I'm just wondering what the risk would be. Whereas if we weren't to establish this advisory committee by bylaw, then we would eliminate that risk altogether." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4538.245, "end": 4539.445, "text": "Well," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4540.945, "end": 4578.405, "text": "no, I think the the pr the the risks that are posed by the absence of a code of conduct for committee members exist for all committees, regardless of how they're established. Um the bylaw, the the the the the establishment by bylaw, as I say, uh is really just an administrative thing, bringing them into MGA, like technical compliance with the MGA. But if you don't pass the bylaw, it brings into question does this committee still exist? Because the MGA provision, the MGA provisions that deal with this don't address that situation. So we don't have any clear guidance on it, which is why I I keep emphasizing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4579.225, "end": 4580.365, "text": "If if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4580.925, "end": 4603.225, "text": "Council is of a mind to disestablish any particular committee. I would recommend that council take express action to formally disestablish it. And whether that's by a resolution for some of these older legacy committees or by bylaw, by repeal of a bylaw for a a bylaw established committee, either way you'd want council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4606.765, "end": 4611.965, "text": "Would you agree going forward to have a similar uh financial recording" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4612.285, "end": 4615.765, "text": "as the previous bylaw? Just transparency." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4616.365, "end": 4619.625, "text": "That's not a legal issue. That's again council's prerogative for sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4620.045, "end": 4620.445, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4621.605, "end": 4625.825, "text": "All right, I'll make that same recommendation. I'll send it to the clerk. So um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4627.645, "end": 4627.925, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4629.225, "end": 4634.265, "text": "have other questions here, but I'll save them for the next agenda item. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 4636.165, "end": 4637.345, "text": "Would you counselor tires?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4638.945, "end": 4647.145, "text": "Oh yeah. So the the name of the uh I guess new um committee is Community Safety and Wellbeing Advisory Committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4647.425, "end": 4657.745, "text": "So when I think of safety, I think of like CPS, bylaw officers, fire, police. Do they have a role on this committee?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4659.545, "end": 4709.485, "text": "Thank you for the question. Yes, it is our intention with the addition of that additional administrative member that that is coming from one of our safety areas. So that's within administration. We don't have a direct role for police at this point, but I think there's always open conversations with them around how they would want to intersect. But either coming from fire or from our emergency management and community safety business units, that the administrative person would sit there. And then addition, if the bylaw is approved, it does change the qualifications for membership to include people from the public. And so those could be people who have previously been in uniform, who have experience related to intervention, risk intervention and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4710.285, "end": 4723.545, "text": "Uh the fourth one, which is uh more uh enforcement related. So um those are the areas that is really what we're looking to do is make sure we can expand that uh and include more of that safety um perspective on the committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4723.745, "end": 4731.125, "text": "Okay, so there will be one specific administration position that will be either from like SEMA or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4731.605, "end": 4732.145, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4732.145, "end": 4732.565, "text": "Yeah, that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4732.725, "end": 4733.025, "text": "your intention." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4733.025, "end": 4736.845, "text": "When will we know like when that's going to be confirmed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4737.285, "end": 4738.105, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4738.325, "end": 4739.225, "text": "Oh sorry, go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4739.265, "end": 4740.005, "text": "Sorry, go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4740.005, "end": 4766.525, "text": "So if the bylaw is approved at council in at the end of this month, then we would get into the regular recruitment processes with clerks for this committee, which includes also us determining who from administration would step into that role. Those names would be provided to you as part of org day, and you would also approve those members as well. So I don't know exactly when org day is this year. I believe it's in October, early October. Yeah, like three months." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4765.925, "end": 4766.105, "text": "Like three" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4766.525, "end": 4766.785, "text": "minutes. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4766.785, "end": 4775.625, "text": "Yeah. So that's when we would have the new committee uh start um under the current bylaw and new qualifications would be after org day." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4775.745, "end": 4795.345, "text": "Okay. Yeah, that sounds good because a lot of the wording in the committee is now reflecting the safer together strategy. And it was a problem for me that we didn't specifically have sign off with like CPS, um, you know, bylaw. Um just when you talk about safety, I think people think." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4795.985, "end": 4822.125, "text": "Enforcement, um, like safer streets, like feeling safe, that kind of thing. So um while we're looking at it in a very holistic manner where you know safety can be taken in in different directions, I want to make sure that like the traditional um way of thinking about safety is involved in that. So I'm happy to see uh that you guys are uh going to have a position for that um available in org day. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4822.725, "end": 4841.245, "text": "Yeah, so for the four 14 to 17 members, so you just mentioned like you are wanting to expand it to somebody who's on administration in uh in safety. Um, what about the other members? What was the reason for expanding and and what kind of like skill set are you imagining for that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4841.725, "end": 4887.965, "text": "Yeah, so the way that the that expansion works is the representative from council's advisory committee on housing. Safer together, of course, one of the five priority areas is around housing. So that member had historically not been on the Social Well-being advisory committee. So adding that in. And then the gender advisory or gender advisory table membership as well. We do have collaborative actions related to gender violence and other gender perspectives. So we wanted to make sure those both were connected into the already the committee infrastructure we had and were represented on this community safety and wellbeing advisory committee, which enables us then to have six other public members that we can recruit according to the expanded qualifications, including safety." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4888.205, "end": 4889.785, "text": "Okay, thanks. I appreciate that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 4890.245, "end": 4917.125, "text": "And not to keep like beating the dead horse, but um the code of conduct being removed just automatically I I'm just having a hard time just wrapping my head around like why we would just get rid of a code of conduct. It's like, well, the province says we can't have a code of conduct, so we're just gonna get rid of it. Like, is there not like something that we can have in the interim to protect um, you know, the establishment of of these committees and like the work that they carry out?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4917.345, "end": 4973.105, "text": "I could speak to it from a committee, like a localized committee perspective, and then throw it over to my colleague-in-law. So we we've dealt with this risk for a number of years since the code of conduct was removed. I think that what we've done at a committee level is work very closely with our members and with our chairs, where they've established different sort of relationship and operating agreements between themselves to keep each other accountable in that way. You'll also see in this bylaw, although it's only one part of it, is attendance provision, where we do have a mechanism that if people aren't showing up for committee, that we can come to council and ask for those people to be removed and replaced with somebody who's able to fulfill their commitment to the committee. So that's another piece that we are able to put into the bylaws that helps us there. So yeah, those are the pieces that we've worked on from a committee level perspective. And I'm not sure La has something to add." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 4974.005, "end": 5012.925, "text": "I just want to sort of um supplement that a little bit, and it's an excellent question. The province removed the code of conduct. It's not something that council did. And so there is this vacuum. And it's unfortunate that that the province chose to do so without filling that vacuum immediately. Um, though, as we understand, there's works work happening to create a province wide code of conduct. What I can tell you is last uh last May and June, when those the Bill 50 changes were first coming into effect, there's a couple reports that went to the previous council, and we looked at the various council policies that impact councillors and committee members and to try to determine what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 5013.605, "end": 5069.545, "text": "Council policies survived the provincial the provincial amendments. And that might be a useful thing to look at because it it gives the context. I'm speaking from memory here, so I don't have really good details on it. But one of the attachments to the council report set out the various council uh various council committees or sorry, pardon me, council policies that were sort of in play and provided its laws advice whether that policy particular policy was rescinded or continued to exist because it could rely on some other authority. I don't think I explained that very well, but we are left in kind of a strange situation and we're just trying to sort out what validly exists in light of what the province did and what is now gone. And that was what we looked at last year. So there is work that has been done on that, and uh we can track down the report number. I see Deputy Chief Fraser is or Jeffrey Clerk Fraser is waving." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 5064.925, "end": 5065.045, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5069.625, "end": 5094.405, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Swin. I just wanted to point out a section of the Municipal Government Act that was inserted into the Act as part of Bill 50 specifically specifies that the council may not make a bylaw or a resolution under this act that addresses the behavior or conduct of counselors or of members of council committees who are not counselors. So that that prohibition was inserted into the Municipal Government Act as a result of Bill 50." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 5094.965, "end": 5097.005, "text": "Okay. Thanks, Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 5097.965, "end": 5099.525, "text": "Uh that's it for me. Thanks, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5101.005, "end": 5104.625, "text": "Thanks a lot. I don't see anyone else on the queue over to Councilor Atkinson to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5107.065, "end": 5112.005, "text": "Uh thank you to the committee members for doing this work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5112.405, "end": 5170.285, "text": "I guess just speaking to the the sort of larger composition of the committee, it's really important that we have uh intersectional views on at a higher level. Many issues that we're dealing with cross between these worlds. Uh, you know, we've got our older adult advisory table. They're looking at seniors, sure, right? Uh but seniors can often be folks maybe who have mobility issues, something that the advisory committee on accessibility would be addressing. Um, the ways in which these worlds intersect provides uh a higher level of oversight and makes sure that we don't have gaps in the ways in which these committees are approaching their work and actually also allows that when maybe something gets flagged lower in the chain, it gets flagged with one of these committees. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5170.825, "end": 5213.365, "text": "That it gets brought up to the uh to the this this sort of higher level committee and maybe makes it that awareness makes it so that other committees that might not have been approached because our own blindness in the work and who we need to be tapping into for that work uh and who we brought to the table wasn't necessarily uh there and and so having this sort of communication uh between the communities in this higher level um committee, I think, is extremely important work. I also just really want to thank the committee for doing some of the boring work, uh, you know, doing some of this administrative stuff, like having the two the co chairs um doing some of these." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5214.265, "end": 5246.325, "text": "These little changes that will make these committees work, and I know that this work is ongoing and and sort of ever going, but uh it's just good to see that that there's a constant sort of reflection on the way the work is being done. Uh things like even what Councillor Tyres was addressing there, like making sure that we're making the the right choices uh from administration and and furthering this work uh and bringing in the right people from the administrative side. Uh I just yeah, really appreciate the work being done here. So with that, opened." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5246.785, "end": 5250.025, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Atkinson. Counselor Johnston has an amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5251.605, "end": 5257.565, "text": "Yeah, and I think it's already ready. Um but actually I have a couple housekeeping issues if I can address them" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5258.605, "end": 5259.925, "text": "on the report. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5260.745, "end": 5264.225, "text": "non-existent committee, uh section six one B" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5264.905, "end": 5272.945, "text": "Names it Calgary Aboriginal Urban Advisory Committee as a nominating body. The actual committee is the Calgary Aboriginal Urban Advisory." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5272.945, "end": 5274.405, "text": "Sorry, that's next item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5276.345, "end": 5277.065, "text": "We are at show." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5277.065, "end": 5278.065, "text": "I can answer that question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5278.065, "end": 5279.785, "text": "Yeah, sorry. No, it's related to this item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5279.785, "end": 5281.305, "text": "Okay, sorry, my apologies, Councillor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5281.305, "end": 5281.805, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5282.225, "end": 5285.645, "text": "as you'll see in the next item, they are recommending a name change for that committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5285.745, "end": 5287.405, "text": "But shouldn't we do this after though?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5288.245, "end": 5298.545, "text": "So I think when you get to council, there might be an order uh for the actual reading of the bylaw that would make sense uh given any name shifts if that's the case. But maybe clerks can advise." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5299.265, "end": 5302.485, "text": "Because it's a bylaw recommendation. I just want to make sure we get it right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5303.665, "end": 5312.505, "text": "Yeah, the the uh the final wording of the bylaw will be in front of council, and then it would be important for the order uh to be established properly before" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5312.525, "end": 5315.205, "text": "So we'll have to make a change at council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5316.065, "end": 5319.685, "text": "uh it would be a matter of the order of the agenda, but we can work with administration too." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5320.205, "end": 5321.165, "text": "But the way we're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5321.845, "end": 5327.005, "text": "accepting the wording on this bylaw will have the old name, though." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5327.105, "end": 5330.845, "text": "This is the new name actually. Uh it's currently the Affairs Committee, and we're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5330.845, "end": 5336.925, "text": "I see what you're saying. Okay, right. Um, but that name doesn't exist until 10 minutes from now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5337.345, "end": 5346.525, "text": "Well, until council. So if if you have that one in council first and then this one after, then that should be uh the right order. But that's a very good catch." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5346.525, "end": 5346.965, "text": "Actually." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 5346.965, "end": 5376.265, "text": "If I can, and I apologize for interrupting, and I'm always reluctant to to correct my my friend uh Mr. Fraser. The MGA sp sp the order doesn't actually matter because of a bit of a quirk in the MGA. The MGA says that any bylaw passed takes effect at the beginning of the day in which it was passed. Right. So once it doesn't matter if you pass one at two o'clock and pass one at three o'clock, they take effect at 12.01 a.m. So they happen simultaneously. So to align them on the presumption that these are all going to be passed" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 5376.645, "end": 5389.725, "text": "makes sense. If one of these bylaws isn't passed or the name change wasn't passed, you'd have to tweak that to address that change. But as presented to council, this is fine. The order actually doesn't matter. I know it's a bit of an odd situation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5390.085, "end": 5393.645, "text": "So just delaying this for 30 minutes doesn't matter." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 5393.965, "end": 5400.545, "text": "If it's passed on the same day, it would not. They they say if they're passed on the same day, they all take effect at say twelve oh one AM." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 5400.825, "end": 5402.545, "text": "It's it's a bit odd, but uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5402.545, "end": 5402.825, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5403.085, "end": 5413.565, "text": "Right. Okay. The second one was uh the bylaws definition of the safer together plants is council approved at May 28th. The report body and attachment one both say May 26." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5417.085, "end": 5423.365, "text": "Uh we will double check that to make sure that date's correct. And we can uh work with law to make sure that's reflected appropriately when it comes to council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5423.685, "end": 5424.165, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5425.745, "end": 5426.625, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5431.245, "end": 5432.185, "text": "I think those are the only" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5432.945, "end": 5433.485, "text": "ones I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5434.085, "end": 5435.365, "text": "could find. But uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5435.665, "end": 5437.205, "text": "yeah, um I hope that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5437.705, "end": 5439.525, "text": "a little bit of house cleaning there. But um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5440.085, "end": 5441.425, "text": "the amendment is ready." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5442.005, "end": 5464.525, "text": "Yeah, okay. Um so it's a similar to the last one. I think this should just be a standard going forward. I think so it I think it helps us as council members to know what's going on and again just puts it on record for the public to understand uh a little bit more of how committees operate and the financial impact, no matter how small or big it is, it's still taxpayer dollars. And I just think this is uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5464.745, "end": 5467.425, "text": "a simple thing to do for transparency. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5469.165, "end": 5472.785, "text": "Thank you, Counselor Johnston. I don't see any debate. You want to close?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5473.905, "end": 5474.245, "text": "Oh." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5476.045, "end": 5476.765, "text": "Councilor Cali." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5476.965, "end": 5486.065, "text": "Yeah, sorry, just a question for administration here, because uh I kind of was wondering this on the last one, but I I didn't say anything because I was like, we're good. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5487.485, "end": 5491.045, "text": "when you read this, does this apply to all" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5491.765, "end": 5497.225, "text": "boards, commissions, and committees? Or is and is your reading of this that it only applies to this BCC?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5499.165, "end": 5509.505, "text": "My interpretation was the one from the accessibility applied to all, um which I communicated to some colleagues here before. Um, but I I'm not sure uh if there's a different um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5509.645, "end": 5533.125, "text": "That that was my interpretation as well when I uh Mr. Chair, when when I voted on it, I believe that it was related to all BCCs. Um yeah, I'd love to get some clarity from uh uh I don't know if it's clerks or legal or whomever, just in terms of uh what we passed previously. Does that apply to all BCCs? Or are we gonna have to do as uh as Councillor Johnson's proposing here, do this for every single BCC bylaw update?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5533.265, "end": 5539.305, "text": "I think just my interpretation, I'll go to clerks number direct administration to state the estimated that is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5539.725, "end": 5542.765, "text": "to each committee because each committee has its own bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5543.165, "end": 5561.785, "text": "Uh so I think Councillor Johnston is saying before giving third reading to each committee bylaw, do this. And then the second one could apply, like you said, Councilor Kelly, to all the committees that on the day of uh council meeting bring together a package. But I'll leave it to uh clerks to uh do an interpretation on this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5563.705, "end": 5582.325, "text": "Each of these reports uh chair speaks to a specific committee. And so in that second recommendation where it says the committee in the singular, uh, I think if if the intention is to have this applied to all committees, that language should perhaps be amended. Um I would also just note that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5583.345, "end": 5588.185, "text": "typically what happens at the annual regular meeting of council on boards, commissions, and committees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5588.685, "end": 5616.145, "text": "Is that um uh council established boards committees and commissions except with some exclusions are invited to provide annual reports to council and then some are are in fact asked to come and present uh to council uh in person, but that isn't necessarily the entirety of the suite of boards, commissions, and committees that um that does that provide annual reports to council through that meeting. So I just draw those uh nuances to to committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5616.625, "end": 5618.805, "text": "That makes sense to me. That answers your question, Council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5618.805, "end": 5626.325, "text": "Yeah, so is this then better like should we be doing this for every single committee or should this be like a notice emotion where we just do a blanket for all of the committees?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5629.425, "end": 5631.285, "text": "I don't know who can answer the question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5632.125, "end": 5636.065, "text": "It it it's a it's a really good question. I'm not sure I have a very" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5636.645, "end": 5652.445, "text": "Authoritative answers. I guess I could say that if if committee were to and council were to give this direction with respect to these three specific committees, I'm sure administration would be looking to have a consistent practice to reflect. But uh again, in terms of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5652.825, "end": 5660.565, "text": "having clarity of direction from council to administration, probably be helpful to have a consistent frame of reference." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5660.705, "end": 5681.685, "text": "Okay, so I'm I'm happy to support this again, but I I worry that just that administratively we are creating a bit of a mess here where some committees now are directed to do this and others are not directed to do it. Um I think it'd be a lot easier if we had a notice of motion that was said, hey clerks, every committee should do this, basically." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5682.545, "end": 5688.485, "text": "I think GM Black said there's 16 BCCs that are re enumerated. Uh so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5690.165, "end": 5704.705, "text": "Uh yeah, but I th I think at the same time we're we're this is asking for the budget and the expenditures, not just the remuneration as well. So and and if I remember correctly, I think that we actually do get that for things like the BIAs that were mentioned earlier. We're already seeing that on an annual basis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5706.125, "end": 5749.265, "text": "If I could just uh put one more detail on the table just with respect to the remuneration, it is a requirement in the remuneration policy that the annual remuneration and expenses for each board commissioner committee are posted on Calgary.ca. This is the first year of the implementation of the policy, so you won't find that online at the current time. But we are currently working with all the administrative liaisons through the city clerk's office to support that annual reporting process, which will manifest itself. So you'll be able to look for each board commission committee in the new year in early in 2027, likely uh sometime in Q1, and see the total uh remuneration paid to all the public members on that board commission committee if they received it, as well as the expenses, the total expenses that were paid." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 5750.185, "end": 5760.445, "text": "Yeah, without a without a specific council direction, yes, that's that's what I'd I'd love to see. I'm I'm happy to support this here, but I do worry that we are creating a a bureaucratic mess right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5761.005, "end": 5763.045, "text": "uh I'll go over to Council Johnson to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5763.425, "end": 5764.385, "text": "close or comment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5764.665, "end": 5794.745, "text": "Yeah, um better transparency and accountability is not a bureaucratic mess by any means. Um and all I'm asking for is to put this on the report when it comes to council. I understand it could potentially be on Calgary.ca, but for me this is on the record and it's something that we can refer back to, like I said, five, six years down the road. And again, I never see transparency as a bureaucratic nightmare. Um all this does is strengthen it. Um I understand there are um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5796.585, "end": 5822.805, "text": "Policies in place already, but for me and for committees like this that are now going through, like we said, a new era of remuneration. Um, I think this is just a stand a better standard going forward. And I guess my question is do you require council direction just to include it on the reports going forward, or could you guys simply include it when you come back to us during the board's commissions? Um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5824.505, "end": 5843.805, "text": "Um for clarity's sake, Councilor Johnson, so I just asked for a little bit of clarity on the question, which is you're saying w during the annual regular meeting on uh of council on boards, commission, and committees, does administration need recomm uh need direction to have with respect to have all boards, commission, committees outline budgets and costs?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5844.165, "end": 5849.565, "text": "or does it just take the one recommendation for you guys to make it as a standard across the board?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5850.125, "end": 5850.705, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5852.585, "end": 5863.305, "text": "Uh typically it's city clerks who coordinates the cover reporting for that. So we'd have to take that away and work with the various administrative liaisons and and and maybe we'd have to follow up with you on on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5863.345, "end": 5867.845, "text": "Well, my hope is that that council does approve this. Um for me, this is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5869.345, "end": 5873.445, "text": "very close to me supporting some of these committees the way they are. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5875.385, "end": 5875.985, "text": "But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5876.545, "end": 5896.885, "text": "I'm just curious again if uh if it just takes one for you guys to come back just to include it as a standard. So my hope is that council gives you guys a direction for one or two of these and that you guys could just make it standard without a notice of motion going forward. So um would you be able to get back to the office if you guys decide to include it as a standard?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5897.505, "end": 5901.925, "text": "We can certainly um communicate back with council on that. Perfect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5901.945, "end": 5909.385, "text": "Okay. Um outside of that, again, I think this is just a great uh way again to get it on record, let the public know. Um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5910.725, "end": 5912.225, "text": "and I hope you can support this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 5912.665, "end": 5913.085, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5913.945, "end": 5916.065, "text": "That you close, Councilor Johnson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5917.545, "end": 5919.405, "text": "Over to Eastcribe for vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5928.325, "end": 5929.225, "text": "Chair, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5929.785, "end": 5931.005, "text": "Let's display the votes, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5934.465, "end": 5936.045, "text": "That is carried eight, nothing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5936.665, "end": 5941.005, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Johnson. Over to Councilor Atkinson to uh close as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 5941.185, "end": 5942.105, "text": "Closed as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5942.445, "end": 5944.605, "text": "Thank you. Over to E Scribe for vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 5956.685, "end": 5957.745, "text": "Sorry, Chair, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5958.165, "end": 5959.425, "text": "Let's display the votes, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5963.085, "end": 5965.025, "text": "That is carried eight, nothing. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5965.425, "end": 5967.165, "text": "Thank you, Councillor McLean, for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5967.405, "end": 5969.705, "text": "gracing us with your presence. And now he's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 5971.925, "end": 5987.085, "text": "Okay, thanks, uh colleagues. We we have three more items and we have some public speakers, so um I just want to make sure that we are mindful, mindful of their time too. Uh we'll go to item 7.4, Calgary Aboriginal Urban Affairs Committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5995.085, "end": 5996.625, "text": "Okay, Dana Adni Tara." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5996.945, "end": 5998.365, "text": "I'm Boastitch and Tanshi." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5999.085, "end": 6004.885, "text": "Good day, members of Council. I'm Devin Seawold, and I work in the Indigenous Relations Office in the Community Services Department," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6005.545, "end": 6009.065, "text": "and I support CAWAC, the Calgary Aboriginal Urban Advisory Committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6009.605, "end": 6013.045, "text": "And today we are asking you to consider their updated terms of reference." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6013.565, "end": 6014.665, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6016.305, "end": 6025.345, "text": "The recommendation is that the Community Development Committee recommend that Council give three readings to the proposed Calgary Aboriginal Urban Advisory Committee bylaw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6025.665, "end": 6026.625, "text": "in attachment two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6027.265, "end": 6028.405, "text": "And next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6030.805, "end": 6037.105, "text": "The committee was first set up in 1980. Its terms of reference have been updated a few times over the years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6037.565, "end": 6045.365, "text": "The current official name is the Calgary Aboriginal Urban Affairs Committee. One key update is to accurately name it an advisory committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6046.065, "end": 6059.885, "text": "As of 2022, changes in provincial law require council's committees to be established through bylaw instead of by resolution. This bylaw brings the terms of reference into alignment with this requirement and also with the committee's current practices." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6060.565, "end": 6061.685, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6064.005, "end": 6066.725, "text": "This advisory committee is established by council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6067.105, "end": 6075.545, "text": "It provides advice on issues affecting urban Indigenous residents and receives information, feedback, reports, or feedback from individuals, groups, and organizations" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6075.925, "end": 6077.625, "text": "concerned with indigenous issues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6078.125, "end": 6085.845, "text": "It reinforces the city's commitment to truth and reconciliation by ensuring urban Indigenous voices are considered in municipal decision making." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6086.945, "end": 6093.805, "text": "They also oversee the Chief David Crochild Memorial Award and the Mizunaga Anguonalini Young Persons Achievement Award." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6094.805, "end": 6100.605, "text": "In 2015, COWAC was tasked with counsel by the with the development of the White Goose Flying Report," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6101.085, "end": 6105.205, "text": "Calgary's local response to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission's calls to action." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6106.825, "end": 6108.665, "text": "The updates we're making today," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6109.285, "end": 6113.365, "text": "or hopefully, along with reformatting the terms of reference as a bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6113.965, "end": 6115.625, "text": "Other updates are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6116.365, "end": 6118.505, "text": "changing affairs to an advisory committee," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6119.105, "end": 6122.605, "text": "removing the two person maximum for indigenous non city residents." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6123.305, "end": 6128.225, "text": "We're simplifying the quorum requirements so that their meetings can begin as soon as eight members arrive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6128.885, "end": 6134.865, "text": "We're acknowledging their unanimous consent decision making as default, where they only vote when there is disagreement." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6135.745, "end": 6138.285, "text": "They'll have co chairs instead of a chair and vice chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6138.925, "end": 6147.745, "text": "We've simplified annual reporting requirements so that they can report on whatever they see fit, not necessarily the 10 year strategic plan that ended in 2023." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6148.885, "end": 6152.745, "text": "It allows for non voting city administration members to support CAWAC." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6153.345, "end": 6160.805, "text": "And it is clarifying the process for removing members where CalBEC may vote to recommend that council remove members, clarifying language that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6161.245, "end": 6162.985, "text": "CalBEC can't remove them directly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6163.605, "end": 6164.865, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6166.625, "end": 6168.845, "text": "We're happy to answer any questions and thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 6169.645, "end": 6173.365, "text": "Thank you for your presentation. Uh we'll open the public speaking portion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 6173.805, "end": 6175.325, "text": "Is there anyone here in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 6175.845, "end": 6179.185, "text": "chamber or on the phone who wish to speak to this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 6180.745, "end": 6185.365, "text": "Hearing none, seeing none, we'll close the public speaking portion. Over to Councillor John." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 6185.725, "end": 6186.825, "text": "Uh Councilor Johnson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6188.885, "end": 6189.285, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6190.765, "end": 6192.385, "text": "Sorry, I I don't know if I zoned" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6192.725, "end": 6193.125, "text": "out um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6193.265, "end": 6193.525, "text": "but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6194.685, "end": 6198.185, "text": "ex exactly what is the difference between the name changes? Like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6199.325, "end": 6200.045, "text": "what uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6200.525, "end": 6202.325, "text": "what was the cause for the name change?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6204.785, "end": 6213.645, "text": "Advisory committee is a clear example of what it is. It's meant to advise council. We're not quite sure what an affairs committee might be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6214.145, "end": 6235.425, "text": "So the name was the historical name, counselor. So at this stage, many of our we as we bring the bylaws forward, we are doing housekeeping amendments to ensure that there is alignment between the mandate of the committee and what they actually do. So this is an advisory of council committee, so the name will reflect their advisory nature." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6239.525, "end": 6248.505, "text": "Aboriginal urban. Um so 1980 it was native urban affairs and then Calgary Aboriginal Urban Affairs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6249.885, "end": 6250.785, "text": "And now" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6251.125, "end": 6251.785, "text": "Calvary" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6252.685, "end": 6254.545, "text": "Aboriginal Urban Advisory." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6255.545, "end": 6256.065, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6257.085, "end": 6258.705, "text": "this is going to be a fun question, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6261.545, "end": 6264.305, "text": "there's many ways to describe a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6266.825, "end": 6268.445, "text": "Aboriginal person. What" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6269.665, "end": 6270.725, "text": "why do we change" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6271.505, "end": 6274.505, "text": "how we describe it in different forms and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6275.525, "end": 6277.265, "text": "um initiatives?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6277.285, "end": 6312.985, "text": "You mean between Aboriginal, Indigenous, etc.? Is that what you mean? So in this particular case, this is the name that the committee decided to uphold. So in bringing this bylaw forward, the administration did consult with members of the committee. They still felt that this was a name that they wanted to pursue as opposed to changing it to something else. And administration did not oppose to that. However, the terminology that the administration utilizes internally for a number of its initiatives, including the name of the Indigenous Relations Office, reflects." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6314.145, "end": 6321.565, "text": "evolution over time of how um we have come to understand indigenous identities in government." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6322.745, "end": 6327.485, "text": "Right. So an advisory committee, would they be able to advise the city on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6328.425, "end": 6331.685, "text": "I mean finding a single term to describe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6332.585, "end": 6372.145, "text": "They could. They could advise administration. They could advise council to also provide administration with a particular terminology if that was of appetite. One thing that I will flag in terms of how the city also considers the terminology is how it has evolved in other levels of government as well. So at the federal level, many of their approaches have also shifted to indigenous, provincial, similar, etc. So as you know, terminology evolves and new legislation, new approaches get adopted, the terms have shifted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6372.545, "end": 6383.185, "text": "So actually you mentioned federal. Um I just updated my status card and it says status Indian. Why not use Indian if the federal government mandates that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6383.525, "end": 6414.925, "text": "So the federal government would utilize that in their particular status cards, but if you look at many of their approaches, including the name of the departments, etc., they have advanced to indigenous. The other terms have remained given legal considerations, which I won't be able to get into being federal considerations. But what we are advising in administration is utilizing a term that many of the members that we have consulted with in community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6415.785, "end": 6419.525, "text": "believe that is something that is appropriate at this stage." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6420.145, "end": 6423.525, "text": "Were Aboriginal people consulted in the name change?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6424.325, "end": 6426.925, "text": "For this particular committee you mean or or for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6427.545, "end": 6430.885, "text": "Well, for any of them, but for this one specifically, I suppose." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6430.885, "end": 6443.985, "text": "so for this one in particular the Indigenous Relations Office would have worked with the committee itself, which is made up of indigenous representatives of different nations and communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6444.005, "end": 6445.985, "text": "And currently what percentage of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6446.365, "end": 6447.905, "text": "members are indigenous?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6448.805, "end": 6449.305, "text": "Devin?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6449.825, "end": 6451.685, "text": "Or sorry, status." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6452.445, "end": 6456.425, "text": "I don't know about status, but I know 10 members of the 14 are indigenous." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6456.725, "end": 6460.565, "text": "But you can identify as indigenous to be a part member." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6462.085, "end": 6463.005, "text": "Uh yeah, that's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6463.605, "end": 6466.425, "text": "But we don't know how many are status or Metis or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6467.445, "end": 6470.945, "text": "So administration does not check for status." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6470.985, "end": 6473.245, "text": "So anybody can come in and and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6473.245, "end": 6475.765, "text": "Self identification is that what we would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6476.625, "end": 6477.165, "text": "Take?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6477.965, "end": 6480.225, "text": "and that's a requirement to be a part of this committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6480.985, "end": 6481.685, "text": "Believe so." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6482.285, "end": 6483.005, "text": "To be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6483.445, "end": 6485.645, "text": "or recommended to be Aboriginal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6486.945, "end": 6489.585, "text": "So if somebody wanted 200 bucks a month," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6490.265, "end": 6494.305, "text": "they could identify as Aboriginal and be a part of this board." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6495.405, "end": 6541.485, "text": "What I would say, counselor, is that self-identification is something that will be a requirement of this committee. There are also requirements attached to having experience working with indigenous communities, etc. So members are not always selected based on indigenous identity. The city does not have a process to vet through who has status or who doesn't. There are a number of considerations for that. So one of the things that I would say is that we do our best to ensure that the members of the committee are individuals who self identify as indigenous and who have community backend for self identifying as indigenous." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6542.365, "end": 6546.505, "text": "I I'll I'll just put out there that I had very good conversations with members of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6548.265, "end": 6556.725, "text": "probably 16 different bands and I brought up this concern with them and not one of them thought it was okay that um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6557.285, "end": 6559.505, "text": "self identified indigenous people" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6559.865, "end": 6564.745, "text": "would be able to be a part of indigenous um advisory." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6565.265, "end": 6572.365, "text": "So one of the things that I would suggest, Councillor, is that that's definitely a conversation that I would invite you to have with the committee itself." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6573.865, "end": 6582.445, "text": "But this seems like I'm agreeing to that by supporting this and I'm just not comfortable as a status Indian myself to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6583.125, "end": 6583.725, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6585.225, "end": 6588.325, "text": "As something as important as this committee. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6589.385, "end": 6589.725, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6592.385, "end": 6604.205, "text": "when you say you can't check, I mean I have to present my status card to get uh gas on the reserve, right? It should be pretty simple. I mean, we are branded by the government with a status card or a Metis card. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6604.265, "end": 6642.245, "text": "So, Councillor, what I would suggest is that the city's position on this is that we also take into account a number of processes through which indigenous members have been detached from their communities. So not everybody has access to a status card immediately. One of the things that I would say is that in the city trying to choose Indigenous identity, we would also put out conflict indigenous sovereignty and their right to choose who is part of their communities, something that the city does not see fitting at this point in time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6642.505, "end": 6650.305, "text": "So every province has a path forward for status. Um like even right now I could call um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6650.645, "end": 6656.865, "text": "I don't know the specific name of it, but I don't live in Prince George, so I don't have access to um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6658.105, "end": 6666.905, "text": "Getting a new status card because it expires every 10 years. So there are pathways. Do we not give those options to potentially" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6668.325, "end": 6672.565, "text": "aboriginal peoples? Right? Like I'm I'm just trying to make" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6672.565, "end": 6697.285, "text": "So as I mentioned to you, I think what if that was of interest and that was of interest to the committee, one of the things that they could advise on is on a different mechanism that the administration could implement to vet members through that could be put in into place into the terms of reference or the bylaw rather at this stage for council's consideration when you do select members." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6697.885, "end": 6703.505, "text": "okay, and just because you brought it up, you said detached from their reserve. What did you mean by that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6704.265, "end": 6760.245, "text": "So we do have a number of members who would identify as 60 scoop survivors who may not necessarily have access to status card. There have been individuals that we have interacted with who have been disconnected from their home communities, people whose families have not been captured by the Indian Act or people whose nations may not necessarily have formal or may not issue formal documentation. There are also a number of individuals that, by virtue of birth, et cetera, may experience barriers to getting the proper documentation because they may not have a birth certificate, et cetera. So we also have members of METI communities whose citizenship may be in progress. So we do have a number of situations where we encounter indigenous community members who may not have the documentation that you speak of." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6760.825, "end": 6764.725, "text": "Right. So this committee's been around since 1980, and you have brought up" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6765.865, "end": 6768.545, "text": "at least a dozen issues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6769.085, "end": 6771.705, "text": "And I guess my confusion is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6772.225, "end": 6775.765, "text": "What does this committee do? Right? I mean, you've" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6776.025, "end": 6782.145, "text": "given a couple of ideas of what it does, but the underlying issue you just mentioned, like I said, about a dozen things." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6782.825, "end": 6844.365, "text": "So, this particular committee, we are bringing it forward as part of the overall package of advisory committees. Council decided to establish this particular committee to advise on projects, impacts, initiatives, services that impact Indigenous residents in Calgary or Indigenous communities surrounding Calgary. So, for a number of different years, this particular committee has advised on issues around examples include indigenous gathering place and society design. This is a committee that supported very heavily our work on the Indian residential school permanent memorial design. This committee supports a lot of different initiatives in the conflict's historic site and parkland development. They have worked with us in the establishment of Safer Together as well. They advised heavily on the corporate public washroom strategy as well. So there are a number of pieces where they have represented the lived experience of indigenous folks who live in Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6846.525, "end": 6852.525, "text": "So you mentioned the washroom again, and so this was part of that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6853.925, "end": 6855.565, "text": "advisory for the well n or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6855.845, "end": 6898.225, "text": "In creating the washroom strategy, Counselor, we actually talk to a number of different committees, not only one. The washroom strategy identifies pathways for washrooms to be accessible, to also consider what experience of individuals experiencing homelessness might be in accessing washrooms. It includes considerations around what indigenous members would consider to be a safe space for washrooms, et cetera. So we wanted to capture as many pieces of lived experience as it would make sense since the administration was developing a public service that is high impact for a lot of residents of Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6899.205, "end": 6902.465, "text": "how how many other committees would use the washroom" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6902.945, "end": 6903.905, "text": "as a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6904.685, "end": 6905.505, "text": "reason" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6906.625, "end": 6907.665, "text": "for or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6908.085, "end": 6914.445, "text": "How many other committees would use that example as to justify the the existence of that committee?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6914.905, "end": 6915.885, "text": "Do you want to maybe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 6916.485, "end": 6918.045, "text": "say how many you consulted with?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6918.925, "end": 6922.665, "text": "Um I didn't run the project. I can speak to the fact that there was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6923.545, "end": 6973.005, "text": "I would say probably five different committees within our area of responsibility that I think it's just it's a recent example, which is why you're hearing about it now. It's also particularly impactful to the populations that we're talking about. And also I think too because of the nature in which that project team worked with our committees, it's kind of being held as an example for other projects. Not only did they come to the committee spaces and sit in a meeting room with them for a few hours to discuss the project, they actually invited them to come out to this the community and actually visit washrooms and get their perspective live and in place, which we uh found from an administrative perspective watching projects come to the committees was a highly beneficial way of getting really specific advice. And so that's why that one is coming up quite a lot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6973.605, "end": 6979.405, "text": "as an example because it was is a was a good way for a project to leverage different committees and get different perspectives." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6982.445, "end": 6983.425, "text": "In twenty" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6983.685, "end": 6990.905, "text": "nineteen, we removed the council member position. Do you guys remember the justification for that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6993.425, "end": 7002.785, "text": "I think it was because the counselor wasn't able to attend very often, so we removed the position because our meetings uh our CalAX meetings are Tuesday nights and quite often council meetings also" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7003.165, "end": 7005.665, "text": "end up going Tuesday nights, so it just wasn't" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7005.965, "end": 7006.085, "text": "fun" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7006.085, "end": 7007.805, "text": "And you guys still meet Tuesday nights? Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7008.345, "end": 7011.105, "text": "Is this open to the public, these committee meetings?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7011.305, "end": 7012.165, "text": "And where do they meet?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7012.805, "end": 7015.385, "text": "online. So they do have to um reach out and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7015.625, "end": 7016.265, "text": "get invited." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7017.945, "end": 7018.245, "text": "Right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7018.545, "end": 7022.845, "text": "Are n are no none of these committee meetings in person? Like they're always online." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7024.025, "end": 7025.605, "text": "Sometimes they're in person, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 7025.845, "end": 7028.925, "text": "maybe once or twice a year these days for CalAx specifically." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7028.925, "end": 7046.805, "text": "So it will depend on the committee and what they decide to establish on a particular for a particular meeting. Many of our committees will meet in person regularly. Some of them have switched to meeting online primarily, and that has been usually due to accessibility considerations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7047.625, "end": 7051.565, "text": "Right. And so just to go back uh to something earlier you said that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7052.605, "end": 7055.865, "text": "You would recommend that I talk to the advisory committee" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7056.585, "end": 7059.625, "text": "on the committee itself allowing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7061.325, "end": 7062.505, "text": "identified" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7063.085, "end": 7065.305, "text": "aboriginals to be on that committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7065.545, "end": 7097.085, "text": "So I would say it's not allowing counselor. They would need to make a recommendation to council. So council has the ability to establish different requirements through this bylaw for membership into this committee. So if you wanted to have that larger conversation with the committee in terms of administration requiring a status card, we would recommend that you engage the committee. The committee could advise council to make changes to the bylaw to establish that requirement, and council could decide to vote on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7097.085, "end": 7098.505, "text": "But currently the requirement" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7098.965, "end": 7105.125, "text": "or not requirement, because you don't have to be aboriginal to be on this committee, it's just recommended that you are." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7105.965, "end": 7120.905, "text": "So the bylaw terms will require a certain number of individuals identifying as indigenous, but we do have a couple of members who are there because of their allyship to indigenous communities or their work with indigenous communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7121.345, "end": 7127.225, "text": "Okay. And so my question is for the clerk um should we make this a bylawed committee?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7128.205, "end": 7133.805, "text": "What would be um the process for terms of would it be terms of reference" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7134.545, "end": 7136.145, "text": "on this? Like it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7136.625, "end": 7142.185, "text": "So we are bringing, we are switching from terms of reference to a bylaw. This is what you're seeing here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7142.185, "end": 7149.025, "text": "Oh, so so just like any other bylaw, if we wanted to amend it, it would be the same bylaw process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7150.145, "end": 7157.225, "text": "Correct. So this proposed bylaw moves through committee here. Uh committee itself can't amend the bylaw, but if um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7157.745, "end": 7165.085, "text": "committee can make recommendations to council to amend the bylaw or amendments to the bylaw can be moved after first reading at council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7165.805, "end": 7180.805, "text": "Right. Um and just the two chairs idea. Um I'm just trying to imagine two chairs up here, co chairs. I'm just curious what would that look like having two chairs? I think I saw it on the other committees as well, but um I wanted to spread out my questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7180.825, "end": 7218.585, "text": "So one of I will start and maybe my colleagues can uh complete my thoughts. But I think we are seeing we are trying to also align across committees how many of these committees function. We have seen that the chair and co-chair model works in terms of capacity. So one person is not the person doing all of the coordination of the committee, et cetera. It allows to share the work. It also allows for somebody to be L or et cetera, just to ensure that there is a collaborative approach and that meetings don't stop because the chair is not available for whatever reason. Is there anything else you would?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7218.585, "end": 7221.925, "text": "Well well just procedurally, doesn't the vice chair already do that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7222.625, "end": 7267.845, "text": "Yeah, I think the co-chair model uh reflects just more of how they actually operate in practice. So yes, the vice chair can step in, but with the co-chair model, it allows them both to sort of have equal responsibility. So in practical terms, that often means that the chairs will take turns chairing the meeting. So they don't both chair at the same time, but they can alternate chairing. This also is really helpful for succession. Um, so where we have chairs who have possibly been a chair for a number of years as part of their term, and then have somebody who is a co-chair come in and learn from them and be able to have similar responsibilities when that chair eventually's terms are over. We have some consistency. It's been very helpful to have strong chairs on these committees. It means a lot less resourcing for admin." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7270.685, "end": 7273.405, "text": "Do chairs get paid more than regular members?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7274.165, "end": 7294.465, "text": "Yes, they do uh get a slightly higher uh remuneration rate. I don't know exactly what that is off the top of my head, but they are expected to attend um uh meetings with administration to establish agendas and do other work sort of outside of the meetings itself. Um, so those extra responsibilities are uh remunerated at a slightly higher rate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7294.465, "end": 7298.945, "text": "Does anybody know the difference between the member and a chair pay?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7299.965, "end": 7325.545, "text": "Um under the uh council policy on remuneration, which is set out, there's the the rates are set out in schedule one of the policy, Councilor Johnston. So uh co chairs and vice chairs get paid for meetings, participation in meetings up to and including two hours in a day, it's $175. For more than two hours and up to and including four hours in a day, it's two hundred and fifty dollars, and for more than four hours in a day, it's four hundred and twenty five dollars." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7326.125, "end": 7329.045, "text": "Right. And that would be the day of a committee meeting, or is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7330.405, "end": 7332.805, "text": "That's for participation in the meetings of the committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7333.025, "end": 7338.565, "text": "Yeah, they they aren't remunerated for the other things they do, um, but that's reflected in the higher" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7338.565, "end": 7339.325, "text": "right. And I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7339.825, "end": 7343.105, "text": "I appreciate that they probably do a lot of work behind the scenes. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7346.845, "end": 7356.085, "text": "but just again in a meeting, there'd be two chairs, they're just delegating each other's I'm just trying to think of two captains in a boat, you know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7356.205, "end": 7407.665, "text": "Yeah, in the meeting itself, it's very clear who's chairing that given meeting. So that person retains the sort of authority over the space of making sure the agenda is run through. Outside of the meeting, they're usually pretty collaborative about if they need to prioritize items that are going forward to the committee. If they're if we have too much that we want then to look at, those those chairs would sort of make some of those decisions collaboratively. So the co-chair model sort of just represents how they're actually working. But I totally understand in the meeting itself, they they pick a path that they would like to proceed with, which is, in our experience, been that they trade off. Now we are just introducing a co chair model formally in the bylaw, so that's likely what will happen as we move forward. And in some of our committees where they're not council committees, that co chair model's been working very well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7407.665, "end": 7411.805, "text": "So we we've never done a co-chair model within the city of Calvin. I believe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 7411.805, "end": 7414.585, "text": "The Anti Racism Action Committee is a co-chair model as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7415.725, "end": 7417.705, "text": "and they've been doing that for a year now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7418.985, "end": 7419.525, "text": "Cause we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7419.525, "end": 7426.585, "text": "Probably more. Um so they probably have been doing that particular model for about three years now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7427.625, "end": 7432.645, "text": "And have we had any of those co-chairs be removed for any reason?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7433.285, "end": 7437.365, "text": "We have in the in the early years of the anti-racism program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7437.545, "end": 7440.265, "text": "So I guess all I can really think of is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7440.705, "end": 7457.165, "text": "um the episode in the office where Jim and Mike are uh where they have co managers and they start fighting each other a little bit. Um I just without a code of conduct, I'm just wondering um what type of uh potential risk there would be with." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7457.505, "end": 7464.785, "text": "So what I would say is that this model does require strong collaboration, it does require strong um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7465.065, "end": 7549.225, "text": "Team building, for lack of a better term. What I would say is that the culture model would also allow for this, like these are community members. This is not their full-time job. So having a culture does anchor a different type of support. For instance, in the Anti-Racism Action Committee, we have seen a number of situations where, you know, members of council would like to meet with members of the committee or they are invited to events, etc. The one chair cannot attend everything, cannot be the one meeting with all of the counselors. So having a co-chair will allow for a division of responsibilities. And administration, when we do on board this community volunteers and community members, we do work with them to establish those responsibilities and identify how they are going to work together, how they are going to divide tasks, etc. So at this stage, other than early days of the anti-racism program, we haven't had the removal of a chair because the lack of collaboration or not being able to work together. Committees themselves are very committed to making sure that their structure functions. And when something doesn't work out, committee members are the very first ones to approach administration to say this doesn't work out, which hasn't happened a lot in our experience. It has happened, but not it's not extensive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7551.465, "end": 7555.945, "text": "I've set up quite a few meetings with uh local chiefs and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7556.805, "end": 7558.645, "text": "members of the reserves." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7560.425, "end": 7564.625, "text": "If we were to approve this, this would come to the next council meeting in July" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7565.265, "end": 7566.225, "text": "to establish it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7568.465, "end": 7568.765, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7569.785, "end": 7587.645, "text": "I I just I think we need better consultation. Like I I I trust that you guys have done proper consultation, but it's just sometimes what you guys bring and potentially like I the last three years I've been doing a lot of work uh in Stony Nakota, and it's just when you talk to the average" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7589.125, "end": 7596.525, "text": "aboriginal person on a reserve, it contradicts sometimes a lot of what we do here. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7596.665, "end": 7597.325, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7599.285, "end": 7605.505, "text": "just to the clerk, like I would be able to add recommendations at council as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7606.725, "end": 7607.285, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7607.845, "end": 7627.125, "text": "Okay, so it's not bylaw until the after the third reading. So I can do my own consultation. Um and then if I s talk with uh the advisory committee and maybe there's an alternative recommendation we can come forward with. Um I'm not looking to burn the system down, but I just think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7628.365, "end": 7629.925, "text": "there might be a better way. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7629.925, "end": 7657.005, "text": "And one one thing that I will just uh remind council of is um this committee was established in the 1980s. Um since then, the city's work around indigenous communities has evolved drastically. Um by now, we also have memorandum of understanding with um the Blackface Confederacy. We are working on other types of agreements that are directly from a government to government perspective. So, in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7657.605, "end": 7663.805, "text": "even you know, the the bylaw that we are bringing is really to try to anchor some of the work of the committee on urban." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 7664.625, "end": 7692.405, "text": "Indigenous affairs, so really talking about the experiences of individuals who are living, working in Calgary, and who may need to be represented in how the city thinks about service provision, programs and services, etc. So we will welcome further consultation and engagement with other members of Indigenous communities. We are always happy to have that conversation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7692.725, "end": 7696.645, "text": "right, and I appreciate the historical aspect to this, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7698.005, "end": 7704.945, "text": "that doesn't mean it's gotten better because this has existed, right? That I mean I could argue that Aboriginal" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7705.345, "end": 7712.725, "text": "Indigenous relations are stagnant, even with the existence of this advisory committee, um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7713.445, "end": 7714.705, "text": "in a lot of aspects." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7716.005, "end": 7719.045, "text": "And so, I mean, just the fact that it's historical, I mean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7719.625, "end": 7723.365, "text": "could work against it if the results aren't producing um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7724.365, "end": 7741.605, "text": "forward growth in reconciliation. So, um, and that's why I want to do more consultation to figure out if this committee is actually doing what it's supposed to be doing. Otherwise, it's just there to exist. Um, and I do have a major issue with um." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7742.185, "end": 7752.045, "text": "People being able to identify as indigenous on an Aboriginal advisory committee. And I look to my council members to think about that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7752.725, "end": 7754.025, "text": "in the long run. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7755.565, "end": 7756.725, "text": "I would say" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7758.905, "end": 7766.025, "text": "I would like to make this a similar recommendation amendment on the financial aspects of this if it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7767.165, "end": 7769.545, "text": "if that's okay, like if that makes sense." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7770.885, "end": 7773.925, "text": "Considering we're we've done it to the first two. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7774.845, "end": 7778.625, "text": "and again, um sorry if that's okay if I can make this about the amendment. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7778.625, "end": 7778.765, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7778.765, "end": 7779.345, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7780.305, "end": 7785.105, "text": "just again, we've done it for the first two, and then we can just maybe refer back to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7785.105, "end": 7788.445, "text": "Sorry to interrupt. Can we get someone to move it? Then you can bring" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7788.445, "end": 7788.965, "text": "sorry, okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7788.965, "end": 7790.425, "text": "can I get a mover?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7791.205, "end": 7795.485, "text": "Council Clark to move. Um and uh now over to you, Councilor Johnson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7795.485, "end": 7804.645, "text": "Yeah, thank you. Um and so just the same amendment, uh clerk, if that's okay. Um and hopefully we can refer back to the CDC meeting as the time we um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7805.465, "end": 7815.025, "text": "hopefully set a standard going forward for all other committee meetings. Um, because you did recommend uh not recommend that you did say that there were other committee meetings coming forward to be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7815.225, "end": 7817.565, "text": "Bylaw, is there a better way to say that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7818.805, "end": 7821.805, "text": "Right? Because we're going for resolution of bylaw. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7822.405, "end": 7828.545, "text": "in my hope that we don't have to do it next time, I guess is hopefully council direction come July. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7828.725, "end": 7836.225, "text": "but uh yeah, just same recommendations as the other ones, um, in hope setting a new standard going forward. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7836.825, "end": 7839.385, "text": "and I'll leave that on this uh amendment. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7840.605, "end": 7843.665, "text": "Thank you. Is that any debate on amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7844.825, "end": 7845.625, "text": "Council Cali." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7845.625, "end": 7853.765, "text": "Uh clerk, just wanted to recognize the fact that in this one we are specifically naming the bylaw, whereas the previous ones we had just said this bylaw. Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7854.065, "end": 7857.725, "text": "Correct. We're just framing this uh to be as consistent with the re" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7858.205, "end": 7860.365, "text": "recommendations of the original report, that's all." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 7860.505, "end": 7862.305, "text": "Thank you. I appreciate the additional clarity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7863.405, "end": 7869.505, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Cali. Any other debate question of administration? Seeing none, hearing none, over to Councilor Johnston to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7872.425, "end": 7873.325, "text": "uh close on the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7873.705, "end": 7875.985, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Johnston. Over to East Cribe, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7876.405, "end": 7876.745, "text": "Committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 7888.545, "end": 7889.425, "text": "Chair, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7889.805, "end": 7891.065, "text": "Let's display the votes, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7894.545, "end": 7900.125, "text": "That is carried 7-0. Over to Councilor Clark to close as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7901.065, "end": 7905.105, "text": "Oh, sorry. Before we do that, sorry, go ahead, Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 7906.445, "end": 7971.345, "text": "Uh yeah, I big thank you to Calac and the work they've been doing. I just was digging in on their report from May 21st, and they identified some challenges specifically around the upcoming work to sort of review where we're at with white goose flying. I think in a lot of ways, white goose flying, we've been able to maybe action some of the easier pieces of that work. But now we're getting into the more challenging work. And so this committee's work is going to become more important than ever. And I the other thing I want to note is that they specifically noted that they're um they were having challenges sometimes with the cross connections with administration. So I love to see that we're starting to bring in those two members, uh the non voting members from administration, to hopefully make sure that this committee's uh advisory model uh and and their words get embedded in the work uh at administration. So thank you to this committee for the work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7972.305, "end": 7974.485, "text": "Thank you, Councilor Atkinson. Over to Councilor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7974.885, "end": 7979.405, "text": "You will have to wait. He has Councilor Johnston is going for round two. Sorry, Councilor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 7982.545, "end": 7984.865, "text": "Oh, he's he was he was getting ready to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7984.865, "end": 7986.625, "text": "Oh, okay. Yeah, sorry. Um just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7987.045, "end": 7987.585, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7988.365, "end": 7992.365, "text": "something Councillor Atkinson brought up there was um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7995.185, "end": 8000.765, "text": "the white goose flying report and some of the actionable items within the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8001.025, "end": 8001.765, "text": "90" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8002.685, "end": 8005.525, "text": "plus recommendations um for reconciliation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8007.425, "end": 8013.865, "text": "What were some of the few that we were able to forward or I wouldn't say accomplish but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8014.765, "end": 8015.465, "text": "tackle?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8017.905, "end": 8018.385, "text": "So," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8019.565, "end": 8021.685, "text": "Devan, are you okay to answer that or Mena?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8023.245, "end": 8024.445, "text": "My colleague Mena will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8024.825, "end": 8027.145, "text": "tell you a little bit more about the White Goose Fly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 8027.945, "end": 8053.405, "text": "Uh good morning. My name is Maina Kabede. I'm the manager of neighborhood strategies and the Indigenous Relations Office is within our division. I don't have the exact list of the actions we've implemented, but I can tell you that in September we'll be bringing a fulsome report on the progress we've made in advancing white goose flying recommendations. So that's part of the Indigenous Focus meeting of Council in September." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8054.025, "end": 8060.645, "text": "Sorry, with all the administration here, would we be able does anybody know off the top of their head some of the items we've" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8060.765, "end": 8063.745, "text": "I can get you a couple of answers. Just give me a moment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8064.005, "end": 8067.425, "text": "Are we Googling it or does anybody know it off the top of their head?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8067.485, "end": 8169.585, "text": "No, sorry. So part of what we are trying to do within the scope of White Goose Flying, there were a number of recommendations, some that will fall under federal jurisdiction, some that fall under provincial jurisdiction. So within administration, there were only a few that actually fall under the purview of what the municipality could exercise. So for instance, through White Goose Flying, community strategies started some work around funding safety for supporting indigenous organizations serving Indigenous communities. There have been other pieces of work in recreation around elder circles that support their indigenous programming. We have had parks programming around TP programs that serve placemaking and also acknowledge the history of the land and serve as a point of contact and learning for other Calgaryans who are not indigenous. So we have been able to advance a number of this, specifically municipal jurisdiction activities. All of these initiatives we normally report on an annual basis. When we bring the report, it is during the September 14th meeting of council where we have an Indigenous-focused meeting, and we bring a number of examples of what the administration has been doing, how we continue to advance some of that programming or some of those services. The committee is also at this stage working on refreshing their ask of administration in relation to white coast flying." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8170.365, "end": 8175.165, "text": "w we are working with them to try to identify what are the actions going forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8176.865, "end": 8183.585, "text": "Okay. Um and we do have a dashboard for that, right? Like I believe there is an online dashboard if the public is listening" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8184.065, "end": 8184.385, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8184.385, "end": 8186.565, "text": "on Okay. Um another" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8187.145, "end": 8188.445, "text": "um item" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8188.645, "end": 8190.665, "text": "Councilor Akkison brought up was um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8191.265, "end": 8193.285, "text": "indigenous relations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8195.745, "end": 8196.445, "text": "Sorry, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8196.945, "end": 8198.425, "text": "did you say like there was a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8199.505, "end": 8203.705, "text": "An issue with Indigenous relations and that this group helps um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8204.725, "end": 8205.525, "text": "connect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8207.625, "end": 8210.725, "text": "I'm I'm hoping uh you can let Councillor Atkinson answer that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8212.285, "end": 8215.765, "text": "Uh I'm just trying to verify what what he had said about the issue with uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8216.765, "end": 8217.585, "text": "Sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 8217.585, "end": 8217.825, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 8218.345, "end": 8249.705, "text": "Uh just to clarify, yeah, it's from the report uh from May uh 21st when we had the regular meeting of council where we got all the reports from the different committees. In that report and the challenges section, they specifically noted that one of the challenges that they were having uh was just making sure that the connections and strengthening of an alignment sort of with administrative the administrative body from the committee, it was was an area for to work on. And so, yeah, just sort of noted that the new" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 8250.005, "end": 8252.605, "text": "The new terms of reference bring in two" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 8253.165, "end": 8259.725, "text": "uh sitting administrative members similar to other committees, and I think that that will help to alleviate that that issue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8260.185, "end": 8261.725, "text": "Okay, perfect. So that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8262.145, "end": 8265.885, "text": "we have an Indigenous relations department team" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8266.765, "end": 8267.425, "text": "group" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8267.845, "end": 8270.545, "text": "of people. I I'm not gonna use the F word" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8271.225, "end": 8273.685, "text": "because I get in trouble for that. F failure. No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8274.125, "end": 8277.365, "text": "Um but isn't that their job to ensure?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8277.525, "end": 8278.985, "text": "It's not their only job, no." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8278.985, "end": 8283.565, "text": "It's not their only job, but wouldn't that position be to help mitigate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8284.005, "end": 8317.625, "text": "So we do have a position allocated to the management and coordination of the council committee similar to what you saw previously. What I would say is similar to what I previously provided, each council committee works very differently. CAWAC, I would say, is one of our committees that requires the most support. They are highly active in community, they do a ton of community events, they do a lot of engagement with counselors, they do a lot of points of education with other Calgaryans and engagement across schools, etc. So, in order to support that," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8318.185, "end": 8382.765, "text": "Is not one position, it's probably more than that. So right now, um community strategies is not resourced to actually have more positions allocated to to CAWAC. The Indigenous Relations Office is very lean. It's about eight different staff members that support the whole corporation with all of their Indigenous-related initiatives that do not fall in the intergovernmental component of work. So this is a very small team. What we are doing going forward is that we are trying to consolidate some of the capacity and share capacity across committees. I'm one of the business units that has the highest number of council committees, and it is a lot of work to kind of help them support their events, coordinate their meetings, help them with all of their notes, all of their records management, the whole thing. So we are trying to consolidate some of those supports to ensure that they have we have the right number of people supporting everything that the committees want to do and all of the ways in which they would like to connect with council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8383.165, "end": 8385.465, "text": "and what would the right number of people look like?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 8385.665, "end": 8449.305, "text": "So at this stage, uh we don't know. So we are in the process of working with each one of the six committees that we have in our area to assess what their work plans look like going forward, what their events look look like going forward, what's the capacity on the chair side of things, etc. But we will be looking to potentially make sure that there is at least one position assigned to each committee with leadership capacity attached to it. One of the things that is really important to remember is that this is not purely an administrative position. Um, there is a number of touch points that do happen to prepare them for council meetings, council reports. There is a number of things that we need to do to bring them into, for instance, the Indigenous Focused Meeting of Council and prepare all of that. We do come to situations where we do need to escalate issues, and that usually happens at the leadership level. So there is a lot of work that comes with helping support and coordinate council committees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8452.105, "end": 8453.665, "text": "I appreciate that. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8455.305, "end": 8456.545, "text": "I think that's my" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8456.965, "end": 8458.065, "text": "my ending there. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 8462.305, "end": 8463.265, "text": "I thought um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 8463.585, "end": 8469.825, "text": "Counselor Atkinson did a wonderful job of highlighting the importance of the work um and your efforts. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 8470.265, "end": 8471.785, "text": "and so I'll just leave it there, close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8474.705, "end": 8476.745, "text": "Sorry. Over to Eastcribe for vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8484.665, "end": 8485.525, "text": "Chair, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8486.625, "end": 8487.985, "text": "Thank you. Let's display the votes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8490.565, "end": 8493.105, "text": "That is carried seven nothing. Great work, committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8493.325, "end": 8498.705, "text": "Uh we go to item 7.5, which is just an amendment to our community standard bylaw," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8499.185, "end": 8499.805, "text": "I believe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8505.985, "end": 8508.025, "text": "Committee, do we need a presentation on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8508.765, "end": 8510.265, "text": "Or we can just go to the recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8510.625, "end": 8511.105, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8513.325, "end": 8513.785, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8514.645, "end": 8518.225, "text": "while you guys are making your way into we'll just go straight to the recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8539.625, "end": 8539.945, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8540.085, "end": 8541.725, "text": "committee recommendation is up there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8546.985, "end": 8548.485, "text": "You guys want to speak to this? Or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8550.425, "end": 8550.905, "text": "all good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8552.045, "end": 8553.305, "text": "Councilor" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8554.465, "end": 8555.045, "text": "okay. Go" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8555.885, "end": 8556.705, "text": "ahead, Councilor Yule." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8557.805, "end": 8560.865, "text": "So this is just the bylaw that follows up from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8561.445, "end": 8566.905, "text": "the notice of motion from Councillor Wynus to just put into place. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8567.565, "end": 8575.545, "text": "just a question. Where where would foxtail barley end up now? Like when when it comes to a bylaw complaint?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8578.485, "end": 8679.405, "text": "Uh thank you for the question. Uh so two things. I think if the um section that speaks to Foxtale Barley as being an example of what could constitute a nuisance property is removed, and we um we get complaints about private property, there would be no enforcement mechanism for us to be able to deal with it. We do plan on um moving forward with a comprehensive public education and comms plan to uh educate property owners and essentially a call for action to take care of foxtail barley if it is on your property. Um, but we would have, again, no ability to force anyone or require anyone to remove foxtail barley. The other piece with with sorry, I'll just add one exception. If we go to a call for long grass vegetation, there is foxttail barley contained on that property in and amongst noxious weeds and other long grass vegetation, we would still follow our normal enforcement process and be able to cut that property or require the property owner to take action. So uh, and and to be honest, that's a lot of the cases of foxtail barley that we do respond to, we see a variety of issues. It's just uncamped grass and foxtail barley growing among amongst it. Um now, if it is on public property, uh the city does maintain their park spaces and grass spaces through regular mowing cycles. Uh and if citizens are raising concerns, let's say, for uh foxtail barley infestations in higher risk areas like off leash parks, then parks could evaluate those calls and um and then uh coordinate a response to addressing those types of concerns." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8679.985, "end": 8685.045, "text": "Because foxtail barley, it's not a noxious wheat, it is a uh native plant." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 8685.045, "end": 8685.605, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8685.605, "end": 8686.625, "text": "Yeah. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8687.445, "end": 8688.385, "text": "All right, that's it. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8688.765, "end": 8691.265, "text": "Thank you. Councilor Yule, over to Councilor Cali to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8694.145, "end": 8694.685, "text": "Oh sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8695.265, "end": 8695.805, "text": "Who moved it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8697.205, "end": 8699.145, "text": "I uh that could be that could be my move." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8699.145, "end": 8701.145, "text": "Sorry. Please move. Please move." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8703.665, "end": 8704.265, "text": "Wanna close?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8705.285, "end": 8705.565, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8708.885, "end": 8709.625, "text": "All right, it's closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8710.285, "end": 8710.845, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8711.205, "end": 8712.965, "text": "Over to eScribe for vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 8722.185, "end": 8723.165, "text": "Chair, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8724.005, "end": 8725.365, "text": "Thank you. Let's display the votes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8730.765, "end": 8732.605, "text": "That's carried seven-nothing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8733.305, "end": 8735.245, "text": "We go to our last item on agenda" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8735.685, "end": 8741.045, "text": "2027-28 Family and Community Support Services funding recommendation for existing programs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8742.245, "end": 8742.765, "text": "Again," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8743.505, "end": 8745.885, "text": "do we need a presentation or do we go to recommendation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8747.385, "end": 8747.965, "text": "Colleagues," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8748.565, "end": 8749.825, "text": "is recommendation good?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8750.505, "end": 8754.065, "text": "Okay, let's just go to the recommendation. Any questions, please get in the RTS." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8755.605, "end": 8757.405, "text": "Counselor Johnson, please go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8760.305, "end": 8772.145, "text": "Oh, sorry, my apologies. My apologies before I go to question of administration. I have we have three public speakers. So with that, we will open the public speaking portion. We got Susan Brook." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8773.125, "end": 8776.945, "text": "Are you here? Please come have a seat. Joanne" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8777.425, "end": 8778.285, "text": "Schlosser," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8779.265, "end": 8779.925, "text": "are you here?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8781.105, "end": 8783.845, "text": "Please have a seat. And then Jeff Loomis," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8784.165, "end": 8787.425, "text": "right there. We'll start with Susan Brook. Please get" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8788.105, "end": 8789.325, "text": "If you can come to the podium" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8790.765, "end": 8792.445, "text": "and the floor is all yours." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8793.845, "end": 8794.385, "text": "Good morning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8795.805, "end": 8800.305, "text": "Through the chair, I'd like to thank all the counselors present for the opportunity to speak today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8800.805, "end": 8806.525, "text": "My name is Susan Brooke, and I'm the Vice President of Community Impact and Partnerships at United Way of Calgary and Area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8807.245, "end": 8828.385, "text": "I'm here to support administration's recommendation to approve the current Calgary FCSS budget of $42.2 million. I also want to recognize the FCSS forum's call to increase the budget to $44.3 million, which would provide additional capacity to respond to the needs we see across the community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8828.925, "end": 8832.265, "text": "At Unite Away, we think about this work in two simple ways." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8832.965, "end": 8863.485, "text": "First, when someone has the builds up the courage to knock on a door and ask for help, that support needs to be there quickly. It needs to be enough, and it needs to be the right support for that person or family. Second, we need fewer people to reach the point where they must knock on that door in the first place. That is why FCSS matters. It supports prevention. It helps people earlier before challenges become deeper, harder, and more costly to address." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8864.225, "end": 8877.565, "text": "It is a child getting support before they fall behind, a family finding help before stress turns into crisis, a senior staying connected in their community, a young person finding belonging when it matters most." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8878.445, "end": 8891.165, "text": "For 85 years, United Way of Calgary and Area has worked alongside agencies, governments, donors, volunteers, and community leaders to understand and respond to local need." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8891.905, "end": 8903.085, "text": "This gives us a broad view of Calgary. We see the pressures agencies are facing, the gaps that are opening, and the growing complexity of the challenges people bring through their doors." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8903.845, "end": 8911.645, "text": "We also see something else. No single organization, funder, or government can meet these challenges alone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8912.505, "end": 8926.085, "text": "The system is strongest when stable and predictable public investment, flexible community funding, philanthropy, aging agency expertise, and local partnerships work together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8926.545, "end": 8932.145, "text": "When combined, these resources go further than any one of them can alone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8933.085, "end": 8947.105, "text": "SCSS is primarily focused on prevention. While United Way also invests deeply in prevention, we work across the broader continuum from early intervention to urgent needs and crisis response." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8947.765, "end": 8964.405, "text": "This can mean creating community hubs where people can connect and get support close to home, or bringing partners together through responses like Action Table Calgary, both examples of what is possible when the City of Calgary and United Way work in partnership." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8964.765, "end": 8970.625, "text": "It also means strengthening grassroots organizations so they can respond to emerging needs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8971.945, "end": 8981.225, "text": "United Way and SESS may fund some of the same organizations, but we rarely fund the same work. Our roles are different and complementary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8981.745, "end": 8989.525, "text": "When we align our investments with FCSS, those resources go further and create greater impact across Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 8990.465, "end": 9006.705, "text": "This matters because Calgary is changing quickly. Our population is growing, the cost of living is putting families under pressure. Agencies are seeing more people seeking help, often with more complex needs, while facing rising costs themselves." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9007.505, "end": 9010.965, "text": "In this environment, standing still means losing ground." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9011.825, "end": 9019.525, "text": "We need to protect the foundation of prevention while continuing to grow and align the broader resources our community needs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9020.325, "end": 9045.145, "text": "This is shared work. It takes government, agencies, donors, volunteers, institutions, and community partners, each bringing different resources, expertise, and relationships to the table. And it matters deeply at the municipal level because the impacts are felt locally in neighborhoods, schools, public spaces, workplaces, and homes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9045.785, "end": 9053.285, "text": "When people can get support early, Calgary is stronger, safer, more connected, and more resilient." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9053.905, "end": 9061.245, "text": "Prevention is part of the foundation that helps a growing city remain a place where people can belong and thrive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9062.185, "end": 9068.785, "text": "That is why we support maintaining Calgary's overall FCSS budget at $42.2 million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9069.525, "end": 9081.545, "text": "Maintaining 42.2 million protects the foundation. Moving to 44.3 million would better reflect current pressures and strengthen our collective capacity to reach people earlier." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9082.485, "end": 9093.105, "text": "This is about the people we support and the community partners doing this work every day. It is about protecting and growing the supports that help people earlier and with dignity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9093.785, "end": 9104.765, "text": "And it is about making sure that when Calgarians need help, the door is open, the support is there, and over time, fewer people need to open that door in the first place." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 9105.365, "end": 9105.805, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 9109.745, "end": 9115.105, "text": "Thank you for your presentation. Over to Jeff. Sure. Mr. Loomis, please come to the podium." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9115.265, "end": 9116.365, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Delago." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9117.105, "end": 9142.025, "text": "So I'm speaking today on behalf of the FCSS Forum, the Family and Community Sports Services Forum, which is a group of agencies that work with City Admin on providing advice and supporting awareness raising of FCSS. As a forum, we know that FCSS programs and services make a meaningful and measurable difference in our community. So, as an example, I want to share with you Zachy's story." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9142.905, "end": 9156.305, "text": "Imagine moving to Calgary as a teenager with your six siblings and a single mom because your father passed away when you were young. That was Zaki's story in how he came to Canada." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9157.165, "end": 9178.125, "text": "He moved here from Afghanistan with his family when he was in junior high. And he actually started working part time in high school, just like all of his older siblings did, to be able to pay the bills, help pay the bills for the family. As he was completing high school, Zachy learned about the Youth Fair Gains program at Momentum, which is an FCSS funded program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9179.025, "end": 9195.285, "text": "Youthfare Gains is a program where people learn about money and then they earn a match to their own savings to then use it for a specific goal. Zachy was able to graduate from the program and he used his savings to help pay for his tuition at UFC where he is now studying business." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9197.105, "end": 9224.625, "text": "So after graduating, not only did Zaki learn about money and be able to use his savings and the match for post-secondary education, but he also has developed a savings habit. Based on FCSS pre-post evaluation, as well as our own longer-term evaluation of momentum, we know that participants save and continue saving after the program, which helps build their financial stability and prevent the need for future social service support." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9225.585, "end": 9240.425, "text": "So FCSS is a very unique program in Canada. It's the only provincial municipal partnership delivering programs focused on prevention. It's also unique because the funding decisions are made locally, just like you are making today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9241.085, "end": 9256.865, "text": "The city has had the responsibility of matching government of Alberta investment in FCSS now for 70 years. And the city policy for the last 20 plus years is to provide a matching rate of a minimum of 25% of the provincial funds." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9257.725, "end": 9276.905, "text": "So I urge you today to support FCSS for three key reasons. One, and most importantly, is the impact of FCSS programs. Over 75,000 Calgarians are impacted by FCSS every year, people just like Zaki, in programs delivered by over 90 organizations in Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9277.745, "end": 9308.005, "text": "There's also very limited duplication across those programs. And actually, there's quite a bit of collaboration of FCSS programs. A great example is the Aspire Financial Empowerment Collaborative, which is made up of 20 plus organizations, and many of them are supported by FCSS that deliver similar programs to the Youth Fair Gains program at Momentum, which provide the opportunities for Calgarians living on lower incomes like Zaki and his family to be able to reduce debt, build their savings, and become more financially stable into the future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9309.205, "end": 9316.385, "text": "The second key reason I urge you to support FCSS is that the funding is in high demand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9316.705, "end": 9330.385, "text": "Many FCSS programs experience a high level of community demand. So maintaining the current city funding levels, as Susan referenced, is actually critical to be able to maintain the city policy of a 25% match." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9331.305, "end": 9345.085, "text": "The third key reason I urge you to support FCSS is they can support community safety and advance the Safer Together plan. Preventative social services, like FCSS programs, contribute to community safety." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9345.485, "end": 9356.805, "text": "FCSS investment is a cost effective way to advance community safety by enabling current programs to work even better and by leveraging existing community infrastructure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 9357.645, "end": 9369.885, "text": "FCSS programs do make an impact, and one of those impacts is a safer city. So thank you so much for the opportunity to share today, and thank you for the years of support the City Council has provided FCSS." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 9372.685, "end": 9377.745, "text": "Thank you for your presentation. Please have a seat in case there's any questions. We'll go to Joanne Schlosser." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9382.145, "end": 9382.685, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9384.425, "end": 9386.525, "text": "Good morning, Council members, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9386.785, "end": 9391.925, "text": "My name is Joanne Slesher and I'm the Executive Director at Hillhurst Sunnyside Community Association." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9392.125, "end": 9398.285, "text": "And we are one of the recipients of FCSS funding, as well as I sit on the Forum and Advocacy Committee." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9398.785, "end": 9452.665, "text": "So prevention is key, we know that. So I'm just going to play it out for you what it looks like on the ground. These are the things that you don't see the dollars do. It's like planting a seed. You don't see the outcome until down the road. So our programs were in a three-year cycle. We have a lot of our senior programs. They have cards, chair yoga, sip and chat. Through sip and chat, our out-of-school care young folks had walked through and said, What are these guys doing? And so the seniors explained to them what they were doing, and they thought, oh, so they develop their own Friday morning sip and chats, or sorry, Friday afternoon sip and chats that they have, and they discuss the same topics as the seniors. They they connect with each other, what they're doing. So talk about getting prevention really early on, and our seniors are modeling and they've now developed a relationship. Those are some of the nuances. We have a neighborhoods night where every second Thursday, neighbor community comes together to share a meal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9452.905, "end": 9496.865, "text": "They're all ages. They have speakers and they attend some of these topics and workshops they have. It's in a space that they feel safe and welcomed. Some of them, as much as the the um referendum coming up in the fall, they want to know about it, but they don't feel the confidence to be able to come into some other areas to learn about it. And then volunteering, and the another nuance that comes out of these programs from volunteering is they end up with employment through our organization. So these are the nuanced things of the program funding. Collaboration is very key from the funding pieces to the organizations. As we all know, there's never enough money anywhere, and the cost of living going up. What happens at the grassroots level often is there are many behind the scenes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9497.045, "end": 9518.265, "text": "Advocacy that goes on, collaboration that goes on in our neighborhoods. We move from the social development, prevention, risk intervention, incident response all the time. We want to continue to live in the social development and prevention, and we would collaborate with some of the other agencies. There are costs to those that many of us find very" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9520.025, "end": 9552.585, "text": "Interesting ways and creative ways of supporting the individuals and community so that they can maintain them being in prevention and we work together through that. We know that the investment on a dollar, save seven to twelve dollars, that helps us do the day-to-day support of citizens in Calgary living day to day in as much richness as they can in their lives. Other potential resources that we try to get when they know that the city has contributed as well to the citizens, it's easier for us to connect to other resources." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9553.125, "end": 9590.525, "text": "So what I do believe in is that as we collaborate and the ask that the Community Development Committee recommend council approve the Family and Community Support Services funding allocations, even for 2027 to 2028, totaling 17.2 million annually for 50 eligible programs. I can say that as an organization who has benefited from these funds, if we didn't, our neighborhood would not have the rich history it has, nor continue the forward movement that they are doing, especially in a high development area that's happening. So we're paying keen attention to the community as well as what those adjustments will mean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 9591.125, "end": 9591.605, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 9593.285, "end": 9604.465, "text": "Thank you for your presentation. I don't see any questions for you. Thank you, Susan Brooke, Joanne Schlosser, and Jeff Loomis for your presentation. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak to this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 9605.825, "end": 9612.245, "text": "Here or on the phone, hearing none, seeing none. We will go to question of administration. Colleagues," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 9612.545, "end": 9617.645, "text": "if we keep it tight, we can get it done here. Can I get a general consensus that we finish this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 9619.385, "end": 9622.825, "text": "Any opposition? Seeing none, hearing none. Clerks, we're fine with that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 9623.925, "end": 9626.665, "text": "Yes, unanimous consent to suspend the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 9627.365, "end": 9627.905, "text": "lunch recess." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 9627.905, "end": 9635.085, "text": "Perfect. Do we have a consent to suspend the procedure by a lot to finish? Thank you. Over to Counselor Johnston for a question of administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9635.765, "end": 9637.005, "text": "Uh yeah, first question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9637.265, "end": 9643.805, "text": "Um I appreciate that not everything needs to be brought up at budget time, but why specifically was this brought up" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9644.465, "end": 9645.505, "text": "not at budget time?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9648.945, "end": 9675.125, "text": "Thank you for the question. So we are required to bring all of our FCSS funding recommendations to council. It's part of our local FCSS policy. The FCSS budget itself as a whole is approved by council through the regular budgeting process. So this is part of the regular budget cycle, but also recognizing that it does extend to past this year. So if council were to ever make changes to the overall FCSS budget, we would have to return with revised recommendations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9678.645, "end": 9679.725, "text": "Could it have waited" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9680.125, "end": 9681.345, "text": "till November?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9684.145, "end": 9710.325, "text": "We strive to bring these recommendations forward earlier for the sake of the organizations and ensuring some stability with the programs they offer. If we waited until after budget in November, we wouldn't be notifying organizations until very late in the year that they would have funding come January. And to ensure that they could maintain those programs, maintain those staff, it's important to provide them with some information and confirmation of their funding ahead of time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 9714.265, "end": 9714.425, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 9715.745, "end": 9716.105, "text": "would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 9716.345, "end": 9722.705, "text": "Council, for clarity, perhaps, for many of the organizations, they they follow a calendar" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 9723.025, "end": 9723.725, "text": "year" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 9723.985, "end": 9747.045, "text": "cycle. They will need to know that they have funding as of January 1st, because otherwise many of the organizations will be doing layoffs around December, late November. If we cannot advise of their funding, they will be engaging in those processes. Ultimately, if we do confirm the funding later on, they will have to rehire people, they will have to stand up the work again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9750.365, "end": 9756.425, "text": "Uh attachment one it says 16.2 and the recommendation says 17.2." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9757.225, "end": 9760.625, "text": "Are we able to circle that square before we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 9761.085, "end": 9761.645, "text": "For sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 9762.405, "end": 9762.785, "text": "Ravi?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9768.605, "end": 9771.325, "text": "Yeah, the correct number is $17.2 million." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9771.645, "end": 9775.845, "text": "Okay? So should we amend attachment one or should we just leave it as is?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 9776.245, "end": 9777.145, "text": "We will amend." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 9777.645, "end": 9780.585, "text": "We will be seeking the amendment to to correct that number." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9781.825, "end": 9783.165, "text": "Today or before council?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 9784.605, "end": 9785.905, "text": "We can do that today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 9786.285, "end": 9786.705, "text": "Probably." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 9789.525, "end": 9795.145, "text": "Um yeah, we would need uh if you want to amend the attachment, we would need uh an amendment from a member of the committee to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9795.465, "end": 9796.625, "text": "Can I make that amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9796.845, "end": 9797.365, "text": "today?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 9797.565, "end": 9800.625, "text": "or or administration could distribute a revised" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 9801.305, "end": 9802.285, "text": "Yep, we can do that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9802.445, "end": 9803.925, "text": "Okay. That would probably be easier." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9806.385, "end": 9808.825, "text": "Okay. Um process. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9810.705, "end": 9815.665, "text": "there's a claim that every dollar spent saves seven to twelve dollars in future crisis spending." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9818.505, "end": 9820.245, "text": "How do we determine that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9822.625, "end": 9848.445, "text": "So that statistic is based on some research that comes out of the United States that was done on a number of prevention programs. So the idea is, and it's primarily around like children and youth programs that this number was developed. It goes to show that intervening at a very early stage prevents certain social issues from emerging and therefore saves having to address those issues down the line when it becomes more expensive." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9853.905, "end": 9855.185, "text": "Would you be able to provide" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9855.505, "end": 9858.245, "text": "me or my office with that report?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9860.065, "end": 9861.745, "text": "Absolutely, yeah, we can provide that resource." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9862.105, "end": 9871.545, "text": "Thank you. 64 programs reviewed, 58 continued, three were de referred to other funding streams, and one was cut." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9873.045, "end": 9879.925, "text": "What measurable threshold does a program have to miss to lose funding? And how many of those 58 continued programs were" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9880.805, "end": 9881.445, "text": "close to it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9884.085, "end": 9903.925, "text": "So when we are reviewing um you know programs prior to bringing them forward the council for recommendation and we look at a number number of areas. Um so a big one is you know is it does it continue to align to FCSS? Is it prevention? Um is it increasing social inclusion? Is it meeting some of our midterm outcome areas? Um then we look at the report" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9906.125, "end": 9907.125, "text": "Yes, absolutely. Sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9907.125, "end": 9909.685, "text": "What was that last thing? You said uh repeatable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9910.165, "end": 9962.165, "text": "So when we look at the programs, we want to make sure that they are demonstrating alignment and that that shows up in a few different ways, but primarily it's is it prevention and is it increasing social inclusion? And then we look at the specific impact that those programs are having. That's reported to us through various means through some social inclusion indicator surveys and through some data they provide annually through their year-end reports. So there isn't a hard cutoff where someone is or is not recommended for funding. But we we look at that all together and ensure that we are confident that those programs are demonstrating the impact and serving Calgarians in the way that they need to be. And provided that they are, they are recommended for funding. And if they are not, then they're not recommended for funding. But we continue to work with those organizations, even when recommended for funding, to monitor them and ensure that they're aligned." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9963.545, "end": 9968.525, "text": "Was one of the alignments repeatable? Like if you have similar" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9969.065, "end": 9971.125, "text": "um agencies or similar" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9971.805, "end": 9978.125, "text": "programs, like if it's too repeatable, that might be closer to being cut if it's already" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9978.345, "end": 9979.985, "text": "tackling one of those" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 9980.465, "end": 9981.825, "text": "similar ideas?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 9982.185, "end": 10016.905, "text": "We we do look at that. So the sort of the concept of sort of duplication of service. You know, Calgary is a big city and a lot of these programs will have sometimes like more of a niche focus. So yes, we're gonna have multiple programs serving seniors, multiple programs serving youth, but the specific outcome they are seeking within each program is either a unique outcome or it might be a unique area. One program might serve one area of the city and another another area. So that is something that we look at is sort of like, is there a demand for the services being offered? And are they current, is that demand currently being met somewhere else?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10017.385, "end": 10031.465, "text": "So at some point a threshold is met that it's cut. Do you guys keep track of how many are close to meeting a threshold of being cut? Like what determination is made to cut a program and which program was cut?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 10032.405, "end": 10090.545, "text": "It's very much about a program or set of programs in a in the need at the particular time. So we we are also always looking at the data of you know the needs within Calgary and that is collected through various means, including sometimes what we're hearing from the organizations. And so we never sort of really know whether a program is going to be successfully recommended or not until we receive all that sort of all the sources of those information, so the application, the urine reports, and so on. And so, like you mentioned, there is one program that was not recommended for funding this round. So it's a seniors program offered by an organization called Bridge to OASIS. And we didn't feel that the level of impact was being demonstrated. And there were also some questions about the program model and whether it was aligned to FCSS in the sense of prevention and getting a bit into the weeds with some of the eligibility criteria about how funds can be used for certain activities wasn't entirely clear." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10092.245, "end": 10095.085, "text": "Duplication, I mean I've counted at least" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10095.845, "end": 10097.425, "text": "five to ten different" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10097.985, "end": 10100.305, "text": "immigration funding streams." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10100.865, "end": 10103.745, "text": "Why so many immigration funding streams?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10105.725, "end": 10107.245, "text": "If duplication is a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10107.625, "end": 10109.205, "text": "potential alignment issue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 10110.165, "end": 10150.465, "text": "So one of the priority population groups we have with FCSS is newcomers. Now, that being said, we are careful about jurisdiction when it comes to other levels of government, and that includes the federal government and immigration and settlement. So while they are programs for newcomers, they are not supporting settlement. It's more about kind of that social integration and social inclusion and ensuring that they are feeling included in their community. And that can include their specific community of origin, but it's also, you know, the greater community, you may say their neighborhood that they live in, and ensuring that they understand the resources and supports available to them, including their natural supports." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10157.385, "end": 10163.985, "text": "Uh the policy commits the city to 25% when the provincial minimum is twenty percent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10164.425, "end": 10167.305, "text": "Why do we voluntarily contribute more?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 10170.425, "end": 10197.645, "text": "So the current FCSS policy does have that 25% number within it. And the reason that was developed was to acknowledge the demand for this, or the need rather, for this funding in the community and these types of preventive social services. Even now at the level that the city contributes, requests for funding are you know twice the amount of the funds we have available. So it's a way to recognize that need and to respond to it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10200.025, "end": 10206.725, "text": "When the one program was cut, why not present it to council as a savings instead of reallocating it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 10209.645, "end": 10241.505, "text": "I think my answer is similar to your previous question in that there's a high need for these programs in the community. And whenever we receive applications for funding, they're always asking for more than they receive. And we go through a process to review those budgets and try and strike a good balance between the funds we have available and how much is allocated to each program. And so that amount of funding was kind of redistributed, if you will, amongst the others that were recommended because we recognize that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 10241.845, "end": 10244.985, "text": "there could be impact made with that funding." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10249.285, "end": 10251.305, "text": "I would understand there's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10251.925, "end": 10256.425, "text": "quite a bit of a reporting structure with these programs. And uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10256.945, "end": 10265.525, "text": "is it a blanket or a boilerplate contract with them regarding funding, or is it uh separate for every program?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 10268.345, "end": 10310.385, "text": "We do have standard funding agreements for each organization. That being said, one of the schedules on their agreements are their original application that they submit. So they are held account to follow through to do what they said they would do, and that includes spending their dollars in the way they said they would. So part of the reporting that they provide to us is also financial reporting, which requires some audited financial statements. And so that allows us to see that you know if they said they were going to spend, say, $60,000 on salaries, that they indeed did do that. And if they didn't, then they need to explain why that was. And they need to seek our permission to adjust those budgets during the program if that's something that they would like to do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10310.445, "end": 10322.865, "text": "So that feels like a surface level audit, whereas you want to see an outcome. So, yeah, let's say 60,000 goes to salaries, but then 100,000 goes to program." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10323.485, "end": 10329.145, "text": "Deliverance. Um, do you guys check to make sure that people are receiving what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10329.605, "end": 10331.365, "text": "they are saying they are delivering?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10332.165, "end": 10337.405, "text": "Is that part of like a management audit you guys are allowed to do as a funder?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 10338.385, "end": 10387.105, "text": "Yeah, so that is part of what we do. So part of the reporting that FCSS funded organizations have to do is again to demonstrate that impact that they did. And part of that is done through these social inclusion surveys, which are actually on a client-by-client basis. And clients, they do provide some personal information that's anonymized, but allows us to know that, like, yes, actual real people are being served by these programs. And throughout the course of a say a funding relationship between the city and an organization, they work with someone called a partnership specialist who again monitors those organizations and programs, provides support as needed, so that we have a good kind of finger on the pulse of how these programs are doing, and we're not just waiting until you know that one time of the year where we get all these annual reports in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10387.885, "end": 10390.425, "text": "Um, and that program specialist works for the city?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 10390.765, "end": 10392.165, "text": "Yes, that's a city staff person." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10392.285, "end": 10397.225, "text": "Okay. Um, is it a single person or is it a mul is it multiple people that look after that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 10398.305, "end": 10404.625, "text": "There are multiple people on the team, but each organization will have one partnership specialist assigned to them as their kind of point of contact." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10404.625, "end": 10408.045, "text": "And how many specific partner specialists are there for these programs?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 10410.945, "end": 10425.105, "text": "So the I don't have the number, but we can get you how big the team is. But it's usually about between eight and ten people, I would say, um, in those teams. And this particular team that does the funding allocations is eight people." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10425.845, "end": 10426.165, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 10426.325, "end": 10427.525, "text": "Yes, eight people." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10427.805, "end": 10430.985, "text": "And their specific duty is to look after these programs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 10431.305, "end": 10464.005, "text": "Look after the programs, manage the contracts, do the audits, maintain the relationship with the organizations, do the calls for funding, do the allocations. So these two teams, the other team sits in partnerships. So we work very closely and collaboratively in getting the funding into community organizations and then also administering throughout the duration of the contract. So there are audits, there are meetings, there is capacity building exercises that we do with them. So there is a full portfolio of work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10464.565, "end": 10475.505, "text": "City of Calgary Community Services, number 15 to 19, attachment two, if we have clerks available for attachment two." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10476.865, "end": 10486.325, "text": "Is this additional funding for uh community services? So 2.9 community service development, FCSS administration 2.4." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10486.645, "end": 10488.185, "text": "Are there additional?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10488.445, "end": 10489.925, "text": "Full-time employees" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10490.565, "end": 10495.365, "text": "as part of the recommendation. Um, sorry, for the money to be spent on full-time employees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 10496.125, "end": 10499.265, "text": "I do not believe so. This is all programmatic funding." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 10500.585, "end": 10502.425, "text": "So programs and services, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 10504.525, "end": 10530.525, "text": "There is a portion there. So if you see the FCSS administration line, that does cover salaries on some of the teams we're talking about. So the funding team, the partnerships team, finance, funding administrators. That's essentially it's roughly about 5% to oversee the FCSS program and sort of administer that $42.2 million. The other lines that you see are more our direct service." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10530.945, "end": 10537.625, "text": "I mean 900,000 for research and valuation. Is that a is that the base funding or is this additional funding?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 10541.765, "end": 10558.065, "text": "Yeah, that would be base funding. So there there isn't a request for an increase. Just sort of this is the the various lines on which like FCSS funds are being used for eligible activities in most cases in the community, but these ones offered by the city are direct service." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10558.405, "end": 10568.805, "text": "Right, but the total budget for FCSS is $42.2 million. This is on top of that going into 2027 2028. So 2027," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10569.925, "end": 10572.725, "text": "this is additional to the base funding," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10572.985, "end": 10573.645, "text": "correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 10574.585, "end": 10604.445, "text": "Actually, it's not. It's part of that 42.2. So in a previous council report, $25 million of that 42.2 was approved by council for programs in the community. Those ones were recommended for a longer term. That's why they're not in front of you today. The 17.2 makes up the remaining amount of that budget for these programs that were originally recommended for two years, now recommended for another two to bring them in line with the ones that were previously approved." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10604.765, "end": 10606.625, "text": "And what is research and evaluation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 10610.825, "end": 10643.865, "text": "So research and evaluation is within the community strategies business unit, and they do a number of pieces of work that help guide and inform the work that the business unit does. So we access that data, you know, I was referring to it earlier about how like how we know what the need in the community is, not just like the requests we get, but what's what services are required to meet the needs of Calgarians. And so they present that data to us, but it isn't just for funding decisions, it extends beyond that. It's for you know pretty much all of the activities we do within the business unit, and I would argue outside the business unit as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10644.265, "end": 10649.185, "text": "And how would that differ from strategy development and implementation? It seems very similar." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 10650.245, "end": 10774.025, "text": "No, so these are different functions within within our team. So through the the research component, uh there are a number of supports that are provided as an enabling service to the corporation, and it's part of how we work with organizations, but also how we inform our programs and services through the data that we are receiving through FCSS, the populations that we are working with, the outcomes that we are achieving, and where the city needs to complement or shift something in terms of our programs and services. The strategic component of that work has to do with things like, in the like you would have seen recently, safer together. The strategic component of the work has to do with all of the engagement that has to be done to bring a strategy to life. All of the subject matter expertise that is required to build the strategy is not only the research, but putting all of the pieces together, maintaining relationships with a number of different partners to continue to advance the outcomes that we are seeking. So, in relation to FCSS, there is a number of strategic pieces of work that we do to ensure that we are advancing the outcomes that we are seeking to advance with FCSS, that they are in line with other things that we are doing in the municipality, that we continue to identify ways to serve Calgarians specifically in ways that make sense for Calgaryans, and that we are also building kind of like a line of sight and a runway for how we will continue to support the sector. One of the key components that we do through the FCSS work is that we also work with agencies to make sure that they are fulfilling outcomes and that we are working collaboratively to actually achieve prevention. So that does take more work than just purely getting the money out and doing the evaluation of outcomes. It also requires maintaining those relationships, ensuring that we have a social serving sector that is thriving and that has line of sight on what the municipality is looking to do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10780.845, "end": 10785.045, "text": "Do you guys have a data set of thresholds met for each program?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10785.945, "end": 10789.585, "text": "Is it a numbers thing? Do you guys have a data" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10789.825, "end": 10797.365, "text": "um survey that you guys use as to see where these programs fall within your guys' threshold of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10797.985, "end": 10800.085, "text": "being viable or being cut?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10800.785, "end": 10805.985, "text": "Um, like how do you guys determine basically where these are gonna fall the year after year?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 10808.005, "end": 10889.945, "text": "So we use almost like a procurement-like process where every organization that is requesting funding, whether they be currently funded or applying for the first time, you know, demonstrate the activities that they'll be doing, how many clients they'll be serving, and so on. And then throughout the course of that funding agreement, there are various check-ins to see how they are progressing in those areas. And you know, it isn't always as straightforward as whether they check a box or not. So they may anticipate serving, say, 100 clients and in some cases they end up serving 200, but someone else might only serve 80. For either scenario, we look to learn as to why that might be, to understand the context of their program and within a larger sector. So it is very uh it's a consistent uh process, a consistent evaluation that we use with these organizations. We're looking at the same areas, um, but because each program is unique in the work that it does, there is that individualized component as well. So we will share with organizations if we feel they are at say risk of not being compliant with a funding agreement, they aren't following through on you know the activities that they said they would be. Um we you know we work with them to to support them and try and turn things around. Um, and in instances where they are not able to do that, that's when we would you know no longer continue funding them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 10897.685, "end": 10899.385, "text": "I think I'll leave it there for now. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 10902.145, "end": 10904.505, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Johnston. Over to Councillor Cali." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 10906.865, "end": 10936.905, "text": "Thank you, Chair. I'll try to keep this brief. In attachment two, you detail the funding recommendations going forward, but there's no mention of the funding recommendations from the or the funding from the pat from the past couple of years. I think that'd be really useful to sort of see like where you've chosen to prioritize this year, deprioritize deprioritize, et cetera. Would it be possible? Could you circulate that information either through the council inquiry or even an updated attachment at council? Either one, it doesn't really matter." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 10937.865, "end": 10938.525, "text": "So we can do that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 10939.045, "end": 10940.825, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 10941.405, "end": 10947.885, "text": "Just wondering if you have confirmation from the province that they'll be providing this funding in the upcoming budget cycle, their portion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 10948.485, "end": 10954.885, "text": "We don't have any confirmation from the province at this stage either way around the FCSS." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 10955.265, "end": 10966.085, "text": "The policy states that the city will fund a minimum of 25%. I'm just curious with this proposal here and if the province stays at the same level, what that what would that put our contribution at?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 10968.305, "end": 10970.825, "text": "Uh that would put our contribution at twenty-six percent." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 10971.125, "end": 10971.465, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 10972.265, "end": 10979.685, "text": "With the additional 17.2 puts us at 26%. Got it. I think that's it, my questions. Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 10982.885, "end": 10984.545, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Cali." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 10985.365, "end": 10987.305, "text": "I don't see anyone else in the queue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 10987.965, "end": 10988.945, "text": "Can I get a mover?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 10990.165, "end": 10992.505, "text": "Counselor Atkinson to move. Please go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 10993.605, "end": 10996.585, "text": "FCSS and funding is super important." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 10998.045, "end": 11003.525, "text": "Any that's a that's awesome. Open close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 11005.525, "end": 11006.085, "text": "Closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 11007.065, "end": 11009.205, "text": "Can we go to East Crab for vote, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 11022.805, "end": 11023.765, "text": "Chair, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 11024.265, "end": 11025.645, "text": "Can we display the votes, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 11029.685, "end": 11034.585, "text": "Thank you. That motion has carried 7 1 with Councilor Johnston against." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 11034.825, "end": 11038.005, "text": "I guess we are done with the agenda, clerks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 11038.625, "end": 11039.045, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 11039.605, "end": 11054.765, "text": "Yes, we have two briefings, very important briefings. I recommend uh committee colleagues to read through them. Funding and service levels for home is here update and transit public safety visible security pilot update. Thank you, colleagues. Such a great robust discussion. Uh thank you for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 11055.445, "end": 11055.945, "text": "oh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11056.065, "end": 11059.525, "text": "Yeah, sorry. Um can I ask a quick procedural question? Sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11060.065, "end": 11060.625, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11060.785, "end": 11064.185, "text": "what what are briefings? Like I I've noticed we've had a couple of them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11065.385, "end": 11067.945, "text": "Why be on the agenda if we're not gonna speak to it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 11068.445, "end": 11069.145, "text": "I'll get clerks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11069.145, "end": 11070.085, "text": "To the clerks, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 11072.405, "end": 11082.925, "text": "Yeah, thank you for the question, Councillor Johnson. Uh the procedure bylaw sets out that briefings are not debatable, may not be the subject of questions, and they're included in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 11084.005, "end": 11093.225, "text": "council committee agendas, but are not forwarded to council when they're at committee. Essentially, they're there to provide uh information to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 11093.505, "end": 11100.465, "text": "council in a transparent way that's uh visible to the public because it forms part of a public record as part of the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11101.285, "end": 11109.385, "text": "Were these briefings part of a council question or inquiry, or was it just you guys thought the public should know?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 11109.785, "end": 11119.105, "text": "Um there the briefings on this particular agenda I'm not um apologies, I don't I don't know I'm not deeply familiar with the content they were provided by administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 11119.105, "end": 11142.785, "text": "I can speak to that. So we use briefings when information has been requested by a previous council direction, but there's no further direction that's required. So it's a way of answering the question to fulfill council direction. That's generally how briefings come to be on the agenda, and that's the case for both of these." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11143.285, "end": 11147.745, "text": "W would it help to have the history of a briefing to know" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11148.385, "end": 11151.425, "text": "like so the public at least knows where where it's coming from?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 11152.465, "end": 11158.865, "text": "That's a great point just in referencing what was the council direction that prompted this briefing. Thank you for the feedback." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 11159.125, "end": 11159.425, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 11159.425, "end": 11159.905, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 11160.965, "end": 11161.925, "text": "Thank you. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 11163.185, "end": 11173.905, "text": "I don't see any other RTS. So thank you for uh this meeting. Thank you to administration for all the great presentation. Thank you to clerks for being patient with us. Can I get uh someone to adjourn?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 11174.285, "end": 11180.645, "text": "Councillor Atkinson to adjourn. Uh seeing no opposition, we are adjourned. 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