{ "file": "/tmp/tmpbb2p3o0d/17d302e6-b097-4643-b2f8-3aed9e198bc7.mkv", "language": "en", "segments": [ { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 659.565, "end": 667.785, "text": "Good morning and welcome to the January 20th, 2026 public hearing meeting of Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the role." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 668.205, "end": 671.045, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Pentezopoulos," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 671.725, "end": 672.585, "text": "Councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 673.225, "end": 674.425, "text": "Councillor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 675.565, "end": 676.445, "text": "Councillor Ward," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 677.105, "end": 678.105, "text": "Councillor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 678.525, "end": 679.425, "text": "Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 680.145, "end": 681.245, "text": "Councillor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 681.745, "end": 682.625, "text": "Councillor Shabeau," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 683.465, "end": 683.745, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 683.985, "end": 684.865, "text": "Councillor Clark," }, { "speaker": "Councillor H. Clark", "start": 684.925, "end": 685.285, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 685.365, "end": 686.425, "text": "Councillor Dollywall," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 687.005, "end": 688.045, "text": "Councillor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 688.285, "end": 688.685, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 688.785, "end": 689.825, "text": "Councillor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 690.965, "end": 691.925, "text": "Councillor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 692.025, "end": 692.385, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 692.545, "end": 693.545, "text": "Councillor McLean," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 694.225, "end": 694.545, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 694.725, "end": 696.005, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 696.185, "end": 696.745, "text": "I am here." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 696.765, "end": 697.345, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 698.645, "end": 702.545, "text": "Oki, Ambawastish, Danitada, Tanshe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 703.005, "end": 709.405, "text": "Indigenous peoples have their own names for this area that have been in use long before settlers named this place Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 710.005, "end": 712.905, "text": "In the Blackfoot language, it is called Mokinstis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 713.225, "end": 721.405, "text": "The Ethka Nakota Wakastabi First Nations refer to this place as Wachispa Oyadeh, and the people of the Sutina nation call it Gustis." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 721.865, "end": 723.725, "text": "The Metis call the Calgary area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 724.565, "end": 726.245, "text": "We'll ask everyone to please mute." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 726.445, "end": 728.905, "text": "Smash that mute button like it's 2020, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 729.665, "end": 733.505, "text": "Uh and and the Metis call the Calgary area Otasquini." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 734.345, "end": 774.725, "text": "We appreciate and acknowledge that we are gathered on the ancestral and traditional territory of the Blackfoot nations of the Siksika, Pikani, and Kainai First Nations, the Yethka Nakota Wakestabi First Nations, comprised of the Chinniki, Bearspaw, and Good Stoney First Nations, and the Satana Nation. The city of Calgary is also homeland to the historic Northwest Metis and to the Otipanosawak Metis government. Metis Nation Battle River Territory, Nosehill, Metis District 5, and Elbow Metis District 6. We acknowledge and give gratitude to the many First Nations, Metis and Inuit, who live here and call Calgary home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 776.025, "end": 814.465, "text": "Council members, we have uh two recognitions prior to us uh entering into the uh formal agenda, but first off the top, uh I am very, very pleased to welcome the leadership team of three military units headquartered in Calgary to our council chamber. We have Commander Colonel Kyle Clapperton and Sergeant Major Chief Warrant Officer Ted Coder here are here on behalf of the 41st Canadian Brigade Group. The 41 CBG is a Canadian Army Reserve Formation consisting of 1,815 soldiers serving in nine units with roles in infantry infantry, armored reconnaissance, artillery." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 815.145, "end": 822.505, "text": "Engineering, signals, and service report support. Units are located in five cities across Alberta and in Yellowknife." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 822.945, "end": 834.145, "text": "Members train part-time throughout the year and full-time in the summer, balancing civilian careers with military service. And I should mention many of those who serve are also City of Calgary employees as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 834.405, "end": 844.665, "text": "The 41st supports domestic operations such as disaster relief and augments Canadian Armed Forces operations internationally. So welcome to the council chamber, all of you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 860.265, "end": 860.705, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 861.285, "end": 893.925, "text": "before we welcome you, I'd like to just acknowledge each of the uh composite leaderships. So if you hold back, I'll ask uh a couple individuals, uh individual by individual, to come and approach so that you can be individually recognized. We have nearly 2,000 soldiers who who are you are here to represent, and we want to make sure that each of those uh units have the recognition that they each deserve. So, first we have commanding officer Lieutenant uh Colonel Mike McKillop and Regimental Sergeant Major Chief Warrant Officer William Klein. They're here on behalf of the Calgary Highlanders." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 894.225, "end": 897.965, "text": "The Calgary Highlanders are a Canadian Army Reserve Infantry Regiment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 898.185, "end": 900.605, "text": "The unit consists of 200 personnel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 901.045, "end": 911.425, "text": "The unit perpetuates the 10th Battalion Canadian Expeditionary Force of the First perpetuates the 10th Battalion Canadian Expeditionary Force of the First World War." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 911.425, "end": 919.765, "text": "They support domestic operations and international missions, proudly bearing the model, a Scottish Gaelic word meaning onward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 919.945, "end": 930.225, "text": "So welcome to your council chamber. And as I invite you to cross the podium, we will at the very end, once you've all been called upon, for a meet uh a photo with all of your city council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 930.665, "end": 951.625, "text": "Next, we have Commanding Officer Lieutenant Colonel John Fisher and Regimental Sergeant Major Representative, Master Warrant Officer Kevin Fenton. They are here on behalf of the King's Own Cavalry Regiment. The King's Own Cavalry Regiment is a Canadian Army Reserve Armored Reconnaissance Unit. The unit consists of 175 personnel." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 952.365, "end": 961.685, "text": "Originating in 1910, it supports domestic tasks and augments overseas deployments. The regiment's motto is a familiar one. Onward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 961.925, "end": 963.205, "text": "Welcome to your council chamber." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 963.965, "end": 971.425, "text": "I also had the uh privilege to spend time this morning with six exceptional individuals proudly representing Calgren Canada." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 971.845, "end": 975.105, "text": "Now, as uh dictates uh on behalf of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 975.105, "end": 978.605, "text": "city of Calgary, I will accept a small gift offered by this group." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 978.605, "end": 978.845, "text": "group." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 979.265, "end": 986.025, "text": "Actually, we have a few other individuals. Kyle, come on on the other side of the bar. I don't have the specific notes to introduce you as I did at the very beginning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 986.985, "end": 1001.765, "text": "So we'll ask uh our uh amazing service member just to join here tight. Council members, I'd like to ask you as well just to come tight uh behind uh these individuals and we'll get a uh group photo of uh our servicemen right here at the uh chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1008.685, "end": 1014.405, "text": "All right, colleagues, coming in in tight here, and we will get the photo and uh let's get our servicemen uh in the front." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1016.665, "end": 1023.425, "text": "Actually, uh maybe Councillor Kelly, Deputy Nimor Johnson, let's get you in tight uh as part of Calgary Salutes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1058.565, "end": 1059.465, "text": "Actually, Deputy Mayor," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1059.625, "end": 1060.005, "text": "come on back." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1060.345, "end": 1060.725, "text": "Councillor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1071.665, "end": 1073.145, "text": "Well again it's like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1082.125, "end": 1082.245, "text": "one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 1084.985, "end": 1086.805, "text": "Mayor, we have a small token" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1086.965, "end": 1090.145, "text": "So I have here a uh very small token of appreciation from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 1090.145, "end": 1092.885, "text": "military history of your regiments in Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1092.985, "end": 1095.965, "text": "oh thank you, thank you so much uh for spending the time with us this morning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 1095.965, "end": 1096.285, "text": "Yeah thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1096.285, "end": 1096.525, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1099.465, "end": 1099.785, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1100.725, "end": 1101.145, "text": "Thank you as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1104.445, "end": 1106.725, "text": "You're free to go unless you want to be part of our public hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1141.625, "end": 1143.885, "text": "So as we're moving through here to the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1144.245, "end": 1148.245, "text": "I am also thrilled to have a second recognition in this chamber." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1148.525, "end": 1154.085, "text": "I'm thrilled to acknowledge a Calgarian who was recently appointed to the Order of Canada." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1154.505, "end": 1164.785, "text": "Established in 1967, the Order of Canada is one of the country's highest civilian honors, recognizing individuals who have made extraordinary contributions to Canada." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1165.385, "end": 1167.365, "text": "Members of the Order of Canada" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1167.705, "end": 1174.545, "text": "are recognized for inspiring innovation, shaping who we are as Canadians, and enriching the fabric of our country." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1174.965, "end": 1178.765, "text": "In December, a Calgarian received this prestigious honor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1179.405, "end": 1182.545, "text": "In the council chamber today, we have Dr. Carl Tom," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1182.865, "end": 1186.105, "text": "who is a professor in the Department of Psychiatry" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1186.305, "end": 1187.685, "text": "at the University of Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1188.305, "end": 1189.545, "text": "In 1973," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1189.825, "end": 1194.665, "text": "he founded the Family Therapy Program, where he served as director for 50 years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1195.005, "end": 1197.965, "text": "He is widely recognized for advancing systems theory" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1198.165, "end": 1201.845, "text": "and systemic clinical practice and for pioneering collaborative." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1202.205, "end": 1210.865, "text": "Conversational approaches to therapy informed by constructivist, narrative, bringforthist, and social constructionist ideas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1211.305, "end": 1216.905, "text": "Dr. Tom has organized numerous workshops, conferences, and seminars at the University of Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1217.245, "end": 1221.745, "text": "He's also taught extensively across North America, Europe, Australia," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1221.965, "end": 1223.985, "text": "Asia, and South America." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1224.465, "end": 1231.385, "text": "His work is widely published in international family therapy literature, and he has served on several editorial boards." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1231.605, "end": 1241.805, "text": "In 2006, he received the American Family Therapy Academy's Lifetime Achievement Award. And in 2026, he became a member of the Order of Canada." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1242.125, "end": 1245.845, "text": "Dr. Tom, thank you so much for taking the time to be here with us today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1246.065, "end": 1251.385, "text": "On behalf of my council colleagues, please rise as we wish you congratulations on receiving this honor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1278.525, "end": 1284.305, "text": "Thank you, colleagues and members of the public, for indulging these recognitions. We will now move into the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1284.945, "end": 1290.185, "text": "We have finished point three recognitions, and we are now on question period. I am first in the queue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1290.665, "end": 1300.045, "text": "I will direct my question to City Manager Duckworth. We had the opportunity at the Emergency Operations Center to wind down the operations there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1300.245, "end": 1327.385, "text": "We had the opportunity to thank and celebrate a lot of the staff, the frontline people who had been working over the 18 days from December 30th, assisting in the emergency response. We also had the opportunity to share a brief update on what the status of the replacement pipe for the Bear Spa South Feeder Main would be. So I was hoping that you could recap some of the information that was shared in that press availability and otherwise update City Council on what the status of the replacement is." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 1328.165, "end": 1356.945, "text": "So sure. So thank you for that question, Mayor Farkas. So first, uh thank you to Calgarians for your efforts to reduce water consumption as we made our way through a two week period, crisis period to do the critical repairs to the Bears Boss South Feeder Main. And extra special kudos and thanks to city staff and contractors that worked day and night to ensure that those repairs were done as quickly and as effectively and efficiently as possible." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 1358.365, "end": 1366.225, "text": "So just backing up all the way to June, if I could, in June 2024, when the initial break happened," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 1366.825, "end": 1398.145, "text": "we spent uh 2024, we did 29 critical repairs on the Bears Puss South Feeder Main. We installed acoustic monitoring equipment down its entire six kilometer length. And we had we were under the impression that we had stabilized the pipe and that we had this monitoring equipment in place that if there was a problem, we could go in and rectify it quickly. On December 30th, we learned that that's no longer true." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 1398.785, "end": 1406.465, "text": "While there's water flowing through the pipe right now, we know that there could be another break at any point in time in the future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 1406.605, "end": 1410.045, "text": "Which means that the replacement main" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 1410.665, "end": 1439.065, "text": "The six kilometer replacement main needs to be constructed as quickly as possible. We had original timelines and uh to like I said, we thought we had stabilized the pipe so the design was fast tracked. We did that over eight months instead of a couple years. We felt we had a couple years to be able to do this construction work. We now know that is no longer the case. So Mr. Thompson, my teams across the city are moving at light speed to make sure that we actually do construct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 1439.865, "end": 1482.325, "text": "And implement a new main as quickly as possible. So Mr. Thompson and his team will be updating council and the public here real soon around those timelines. What I can tell you what we've done is in December, actually before the December 30th break, we had issued a request for proposal to hire a contractor to do this replacement construction. We have since, given the urgency that we're at today, we have actually canceled that contract. We have awarded a contract to Borden Burke construction for the construction of that main. We've also awarded Soul Source a contract to Graham Construction to be the construction manager. And so that work is will happen expeditiously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 1483.185, "end": 1506.265, "text": "The timelines will be updated with Council and the Public here real soon. I know Mr. Thompson and his team are in fact working on that, but we we know that we do not have a long period of time to get this replacement constructed. My team and I are doing we were focused on the initial repairs that happened on December 30th. We're focused on implementing the independent panels reviews recommendations, and we're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_41", "start": 1506.865, "end": 1514.225, "text": "Focused on delivering a brand new replacement main as quickly as we can for the Bears Poss South Feeder Main. So Mary, I hope that helps." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1514.785, "end": 1515.205, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1516.185, "end": 1518.265, "text": "Over to Councillor Chabot for question period." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1520.965, "end": 1525.565, "text": "I don't know if it's great minds think alike or fools seldom differ, but I have a very similar question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1525.825, "end": 1526.425, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1526.425, "end": 1528.565, "text": "A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B, Councillor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1528.725, "end": 1530.765, "text": "sorry. Um so um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1531.445, "end": 1566.205, "text": "in 2024 council obviously had identified the need to replace this pipe and and included in the strategic planning meeting um prior to uh the election, we had identified some capital uh infrastructure needs, including the replacement of this pipe. But that process involved um a competitive process bidding, uh getting RFPs from multiple companies so we get the highest or the the best possible price for this replacement. And now, in light of the fact that that more recently we received a note from GM Thompson that this was now going to be sole sourced." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1566.585, "end": 1569.685, "text": "Um I I guess it's kind of a two-part question. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1570.085, "end": 1574.125, "text": "so council identified a specific budget amount to replace this pipe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1574.385, "end": 1582.665, "text": "through the RFP competitive process. Uh so I guess the question is, uh under what authority was this determined to go to a sole source contract?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1582.925, "end": 1592.405, "text": "And and at which point then will council uh be required to weigh in on this decision because it obviously will have some budgetary implications." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1593.805, "end": 1597.485, "text": "Yeah, thank you for the uh question, Councillor Chabot. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1598.225, "end": 1604.505, "text": "so if I just fa back up uh to December 30th, like uh uh CAO Duckworth indicated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1604.845, "end": 1608.105, "text": "December 30th, this pipe failed uh without warning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1609.145, "end": 1609.865, "text": "It was not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1610.185, "end": 1615.605, "text": "uh picked up on that fiber optic system uh that uh CAO Duckworth indicated we had installed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1616.325, "end": 1616.905, "text": "And we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1617.545, "end": 1622.685, "text": "worked as quickly as possible to restore the line and get it back up and running." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1623.745, "end": 1632.485, "text": "What we discussed with Calgarians as we were working through that repair process, the two largest risks to our community at that time" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1633.165, "end": 1635.525, "text": "were if the Glenmore water treatment plant" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1636.585, "end": 1642.445, "text": "has a failure in it, we have a single point of failure and we would not be able to supply drinking water to Calgaryans." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1643.285, "end": 1647.845, "text": "And the volume of water in the Glenmore reservoir was quickly being depleted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1648.605, "end": 1650.105, "text": "I've said publicly before" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1650.545, "end": 1652.865, "text": "we had the opportunity to repair that line" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1653.005, "end": 1656.065, "text": "two more times before the spring runoff starts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1656.665, "end": 1663.385, "text": "That gives and really means we have six weeks of drinking water available in the Glenmore reservoir" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1663.805, "end": 1664.565, "text": "before" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1664.865, "end": 1665.705, "text": "we run out," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1665.965, "end": 1667.345, "text": "if we are using" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1667.705, "end": 1672.545, "text": "the Glenmoir water treatment plant at three times the typical usage in the winter." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1673.245, "end": 1674.685, "text": "Given the urgency" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1675.285, "end": 1677.565, "text": "that we had with running out of water," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1678.205, "end": 1681.605, "text": "if that pipe is out of service for an additional six weeks," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1682.365, "end": 1685.445, "text": "we evaluated the risks that we were facing as a community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1685.845, "end": 1689.405, "text": "We made the decision to cancel the existing procurement" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1689.825, "end": 1694.045, "text": "and to award it directly to a contractor who could start immediately." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1694.605, "end": 1695.845, "text": "We did that on Friday." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1696.025, "end": 1697.865, "text": "That team started on Friday." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1698.265, "end": 1701.285, "text": "On Friday, we ordered the materials for the replacement pipe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1701.865, "end": 1708.985, "text": "We turned equipment and started bringing it to Calgary. You will see equipment starting to show up in the field at the end of this week" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1709.305, "end": 1710.985, "text": "and you will see construction happening." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1711.445, "end": 1714.125, "text": "That contract was supposed to finish or uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1714.305, "end": 1715.025, "text": "Conclude" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1715.525, "end": 1719.425, "text": "on the tender process was supposed to close on January 29th." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1719.945, "end": 1721.945, "text": "We do not have the time" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1722.245, "end": 1727.645, "text": "to wait until January 29th and go through the procurement process and put us at risk" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1727.905, "end": 1730.805, "text": "of not having this replacement pipe constructed" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1731.105, "end": 1732.145, "text": "by next winter." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1732.565, "end": 1735.965, "text": "We are at risk if this pipe breaks again" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1736.765, "end": 1739.305, "text": "without having that water source," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1739.505, "end": 1744.405, "text": "that we would run out of water as a community. And so that is why we took the unprecedented" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1744.705, "end": 1747.425, "text": "Direction to cancel the existing procurement," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1747.805, "end": 1748.805, "text": "to award it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1749.125, "end": 1752.885, "text": "to a contractor who was bidding on the project," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1753.385, "end": 1759.945, "text": "and to extend the contract that we had with Graham Construction, which we had previously selected" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1760.785, "end": 1764.045, "text": "to be our general construction manager for this work going forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1764.505, "end": 1766.125, "text": "We will be back to council" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1766.425, "end": 1777.265, "text": "for requesting additional funds for this project as we go forward. As you indicated in council's strategic plan, which was approved, we had already" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1777.665, "end": 1823.745, "text": "Had funding in place for stage A, which was from the Shaganapi pump station to the Sarsea Trail Interchange to construct that piece of work. We will be back requesting additional funds from council for stage B, which is from the Sarce Trail Interchange to the Bow River, as well as the reinforcement work that will be required along this line. We need to build this pipe as quickly as possible, as safely as possible, and with high quality so that we have that quality infrastructure for future generations. At the same time, we have to ensure we have resilience of that existing pipe. And so we will be back to council to ask for those additional funds and to update on schedule and what that plan looks like." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1824.265, "end": 1833.625, "text": "Yeah, and as per the new procedural bylaw, a very uh tangential uh supplementary question, if I may. So, based on what you just said, is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1834.465, "end": 1842.225, "text": "council hasn't made a decision on this, administration had the authority to make this decision independent of council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 1842.465, "end": 1864.325, "text": "So council makes decisions on the funding for projects. Administration makes decisions on the procurement process for projects. Again, council does not get engaged in the procurement process for projects. Administration made the unprecedented move to award this contract as quickly as possible, given the urgency and the emergency situation that we're in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 1864.605, "end": 1868.345, "text": "Thank you. I I I think we can all agree that it was urgent. Thank you very much for those answers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1874.605, "end": 1883.425, "text": "Thank you. Uh and then to Councillor Dollywall for the uh final question of question period. Uh there is others in the queue, but you'll have an opportunity first thing tomorrow at that council meeting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 1883.465, "end": 1889.785, "text": "Thank you, Chair. My question was gonna be about that eleven percent poor, uh very poor uh infrastructure. But is it okay if I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 1890.105, "end": 1895.605, "text": "present my question period to Mr. Callie, Councillor Kelly, because he has a more" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 1896.545, "end": 1899.745, "text": "uh community question that he has requested me he would like to ask." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1899.845, "end": 1900.665, "text": "All right, Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1903.005, "end": 1909.805, "text": "Thank you very much, Councillor Dollywall. I really I really appreciate you uh uh taking that step. Um I I've been receiving questions" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1909.805, "end": 1913.585, "text": "And I should just mention, just for precedence, uh I'm not going to allow" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1914.045, "end": 1916.065, "text": "somebody to get in and then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 1916.885, "end": 1926.485, "text": "delegate their question to a Councillor of their choice. I will go to who uh who is next in the queue. And in this case, Councillor Kelly was next in the queue. I just want to clarify as why why I allowed that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1926.765, "end": 1929.505, "text": "I appreciate that. That that's good clarification." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 1932.065, "end": 1964.145, "text": "Throughout the campaign and through my first couple of months here in office, I've been receiving quite a few questions from residents of Highland Park and the community association about the old Highland Park golf course. Minor saying is that there's a lawsuit currently between the developer and the city Calgary and has been ongoing for about six years now. With a new council, 10 of us that are brand new. I'm wondering would administration, this is likely a qu a question for Solicitor Flowen, would you be able to provide an update to council on what's happening, where the lawsuit is at, et cetera? Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 1964.745, "end": 1997.005, "text": "Yeah, I definitely can. Um, so this is a claim, it's a complicated claim against the city with respect to a proposed development. It's proceeding in the Court of King's Bench, and of course, all litigation in the Court of King's Bench is subject to the rules of court. The rules of court sets out procedure that must be followed, and depending on the complexity, it can take a significant period of time in order to complete all of those procedural steps. One of those procedural steps is questioning of all parties by each party, and that is exactly the place where we are in the litigation right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 2003.485, "end": 2010.565, "text": "Do we have an ETA when we might be able to get a little bit more detail, potentially in camera, just recognizing the fact that this is obviously before the courts?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 2011.945, "end": 2020.345, "text": "Yeah, so it's really important that we complete the questioning so that we have a a fulsome assessment of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_01", "start": 2021.425, "end": 2047.585, "text": "the lawsuit both sides. Um and then at that time, which is typical in any litigation, we step back and we do a reassessment of the of the situation. And counsel, this is a major piece of litigation. It is a significant sum. And we were last before council um I think two or three years ago, and uh the commitment was that when a milestone was reached, we would be coming back to you, and we will be coming back to you soon. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2050.205, "end": 2054.705, "text": "Thank you very much. Uh Councillor McClain, I have an RTS for you, but was that for question period?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2055.345, "end": 2057.125, "text": "Okay. Uh we'll get you first thing tomorrow." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2057.665, "end": 2058.085, "text": "At 8 a.m." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2059.005, "end": 2059.405, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_30", "start": 2060.345, "end": 2062.005, "text": "You two, uh Councillor Prenziloples." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2062.405, "end": 2064.945, "text": "All right, so question period is over. We are now" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2065.205, "end": 2070.565, "text": "On item five, confirmation of agenda, may I please have a mover and seconder for the confirmation of agenda?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2071.985, "end": 2074.885, "text": "Moved by Councillor Chabot, seconded by Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2075.225, "end": 2078.005, "text": "It's up on the screen. Are there any amendments to the agenda?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2079.245, "end": 2082.665, "text": "Great. Seeing none, uh, I'm calling the question. All in favor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2083.685, "end": 2084.505, "text": "Any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2085.125, "end": 2086.945, "text": "Seeing none, that motion is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2087.725, "end": 2094.425, "text": "All right. So uh members of public, give us a moment here as we change around some of the seats and we get into public hearing mode." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2108.885, "end": 2113.125, "text": "And we're getting a little light on quorum, guys. Make sure there's at least 10 bums and seats here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 2115.525, "end": 2115.825, "text": "Morning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2116.005, "end": 2116.265, "text": "Work." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2148.485, "end": 2213.465, "text": "All right, here we go. We had no consent agenda, so we are now on item seven, reports for public hearing. For all items on the agenda under this section, section seven, reports for public hearing, we will start with a presentation by administration representing the recommendations of the Calgary Planning Commission. Then we will open the public hearing. The applicant, if present, will make the first presentation. Once the applicant is finished speaking, we'll go through a list of registered speakers, rotating the remaining registered speakers between those in favor, against, and neither. Council is restricted in these public hearings to issues of land use, the use and not the user. And I may have to step in if you aren't speaking to the specific use that's before us. I'll also take this time to remind everyone that for every public hearing matter, council members have to remain amenable to persuasion. Public speakers have a maximum of five minutes to make their presentation. For those that are presenting in the council chamber, there's a timer on the screen at the podium to help you manage your time. Council members may ask questions after each speaker is finished presenting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2213.705, "end": 2229.325, "text": "For our remote participants, please set a five-minute timer for yourself. After your presentation, please remain on the line as we may have questions for you. After your item concludes, please drop off the telephone line and you're welcome to continue following along through the live stream online." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2229.745, "end": 2238.405, "text": "We may establish panels of up to five speakers if there are enough people registered to speak to an item. I don't think it's that kind of council day at council, but we will see." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2238.585, "end": 2271.265, "text": "But council will have an opportunity to ask questions after all speakers in the panel are done. Panels of registered speakers will rotate between those in favor, against, and neither, to the extent that it is practical. A speaker cannot transfer any of their speaking time to another speaker. And once we finish with all of the speakers, I will close the public hearing. Questions of clarification from council members to administration can be taken at that point. Then we will go to council to debate the item. I think uh first up we have uh Miss Stingle for item 7.1.1. Take us away." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2272.485, "end": 2287.145, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. My name is Courtney Stengel. I'm a senior planner with community planning, and I'll be presenting the first set of items on the agenda today. Item 7.1.1 is a land use amendment to allow for ground-oriented housing with a minimum density. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2288.645, "end": 2312.725, "text": "The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 162D 2025 for the redesignation of 2309 Richmond Road Southwest from the residential grade oriented infill, RCG district, to a direct control DC district based on the housing grade oriented HGO district to establish a minimum residential density. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2313.885, "end": 2331.985, "text": "The subject site is located in the southwest community of Richmond, east of Crowchild Trail and approximately three blocks south of the former Children's Hospital on 17th Avenue. The site is approximately a five-minute walk from an elementary school, an arts academy, and the Richmond Knob Hill Community Association. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2333.165, "end": 2350.185, "text": "The subject site is a mid-block parcel at the intersection of Richmond Road and 23rd Avenue southwest and is currently developed with a single detached home and rear detached garage. The site has a rear lane across the street from the 22nd Street Park and Playground. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2351.565, "end": 2386.545, "text": "Surrounding development consists primarily of low density homes with single detached homes shown in yellow, semi-detached in orange, and townhouses shown in brown to the northwest. The subject site is currently designated as the residential grade-oriented infill RCG district, which allows for a variety of housing forms, including single detached, semi detached, duplex dwellings, townhouses, and row houses. The maximum building height is 11 meters or about three stories, and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare. Based on the site area, this would allow for up to four dwelling units here. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2387.705, "end": 2405.185, "text": "The proposed direct control DC district is based on the housing grade-oriented HGO district, which allows for a range of housing forms that may be attached, stacked, or clustered. The district allows for a maximum building height of 12 meters and a maximum floor area ratio of 1.5." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2405.465, "end": 2431.865, "text": "The proposed DC district differs from the HGO district by including a minimum density of 60 units per hectare, which would require at least three units to be built. To reinforce the minimum requirement of three units, the dwelling unit use has been replaced with a multi residential development use, which requires a building form with at least three units. This allows all of the rules and uses in the district to align with one another. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2433.505, "end": 2469.585, "text": "This application falls within the West Elbow Community's Local Area Plan approved by Council in May 2025. The site is part of the Neighborhood Connector Urban Form category, which is in alignment with the location criteria set out in the purpose statement of the HGO district, which notes that it should be located in neighborhood connector or neighborhood flex areas for communities with a local area plan. These are intended for a mix of housing forms and anticipate higher frequencies of units and entrances facing the street. The direct control district, based on the HGO district, is in alignment with the policy. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 2470.725, "end": 2488.905, "text": "This proposal would allow for increased density on a residential parcel next to a park and near local amenities in alignment with the local area plan and the location criteria in the land use bylaw. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw 162D 2025. Thank you, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2490.745, "end": 2498.305, "text": "Thank you, Ms. Stinkle. Let us please open the public hearing on 7.1.1 land use amendment in Richmond Ward 8." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2500.165, "end": 2501.465, "text": "Do we have the applicant with us?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2501.965, "end": 2502.525, "text": "Come on up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2512.785, "end": 2522.065, "text": "Good morning, Mayor Councillors. My name is Li Wang. I'm uh uh by the owner MACDU. We'll each uh speak for five minutes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2523.105, "end": 2524.985, "text": "Uh so I have a presentation here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2526.845, "end": 2555.405, "text": "So, first of all, uh I want to uh uh say uh thanks for giving us the opportunity to delay this uh to this uh to this uh agenda. We take the opportunity to go speak with the uh community association. Um so the first slide is right here. So you as you can see, this uh lot is uh close to many uh a many space and also the commercial and social establishment. It's also right by a park space. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2556.785, "end": 2568.305, "text": "So as you can see, uh there is uh a big green space right behind this lot. Uh we uh we think this green space create a perfect spot for families to enjoy. Next slide please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2570.445, "end": 2594.085, "text": "So in response to many comments received, we have taken the actions to cut the number units from four to three, and also cut a lot coverage from 60% to 50% and dramatically increase the landscaping from required 20%, I believe, to 30%. And then the next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2595.565, "end": 2608.905, "text": "And then we also create these small features like the garage, the patio on top of the garage, for the families to gather in while watching their kids play in the park space. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2610.465, "end": 2629.045, "text": "As the presenter makes it uh perfectly clear that uh this proposal fully aligns with our local air plan, which defines Richmond Road as uh uh uh the lot along Richmond Road as a neighborhood collector uh uh with a building scale of up to four stories. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2631.425, "end": 2632.225, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2634.725, "end": 2658.985, "text": "So despite our local airplane, which is meant to guide the order development of the area after extensive engagement, unfortunately many parcels in Richmond are subject to restrict covenant that limits the development to single or two units only. This region covenant was used as early planning too and lacks the ability to adapt with the good subsidy. Currently we have no zoning," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2659.745, "end": 2661.185, "text": "which set up minimum density." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2662.065, "end": 2672.865, "text": "The current proposal DC allows development the lot in full alignment of the local airplane while maintaining the edge goal best to accommodate great oriented housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2673.305, "end": 2693.225, "text": "The look at blank clearly states that where the jury covenant is not in alignment with goals and objectives of the plan, the City Calgary supports the direction of the plan. To show the extent of how the covenant will affect this specific community, I took the time to start a two-right covenant, only two rigid covenant, and then this is what I get. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2695.045, "end": 2713.705, "text": "So on this map, I highlighted the areas that are affected by the rigid covenant. I need to stress that this is only after I started two rigid covenant within the lot. I have to pull all the title and stuff. So it's a very extensive work to get to the full detail of this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2714.585, "end": 2715.525, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2717.485, "end": 2741.625, "text": "And then you can see as you can see through this map, this part of the puzzle belongs to Westbrook Community's local airplane. The local airplane defines some area as neighborhood commercial, neighborhood flagged, and then but the local but the rich covenant says you can only build single or duplex only on the slot with no commercial at all. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2742.665, "end": 2791.005, "text": "This part of the puzzle is under West Ebro community's local airplane. As you can see again, our local airplane identifies many areas within the community that shows a neighborhood flag or nephew collector, but same thing as per the covenant, it says only single duplex can be built here. So the point I want to make here is if we want to orderly develop our land through the two or local airplane, the covenant will be a problem for us to actually do that. Unfortunately, right now we don't have any zoning with minimum density. So this application simply to seek cities' authority under the Municipal Government Act to define whether this lot is appropriate for more density. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2792.525, "end": 2823.785, "text": "So we took the public engagement very seriously. We not only listen, but to make concrete effort for compromise. So there are a few main things we did. One, we cut a number of units from four to three. We have some family oriented design with that with that garage patio. We also cut a lot of coverage from 60% to 50%. And we also did enchance landscaping features to support family oriented development on this specific lot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2823.785, "end": 2826.905, "text": "Thank you, sir. You're you're just a time. However," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2827.305, "end": 2829.085, "text": "would a Councillor like to ask" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2829.845, "end": 2832.725, "text": "him to finish on what he did in terms of public engagement?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2833.485, "end": 2834.065, "text": "Councillor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2838.665, "end": 2839.605, "text": "Get your mic on? Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2841.005, "end": 2846.425, "text": "Sorry, thank you for that. Um, I'll just invite you to uh briefly uh finish your presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2846.425, "end": 2850.125, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2851.505, "end": 2871.465, "text": "So at DB State, we need to continue work with the local residents and community association with regard to those few main stuff, including the functional and usable on the many space, reducing the perception of the billion mass from adjacent puzzles. We also need mitigated overlooking, shadowing, and privacy concerns. So the work will continue. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2872.165, "end": 2902.685, "text": "To sum up, the proposal fully aligns with our local airplane, both in terms of best zoning and also use of direct control. There's no current zoning setting up minimum density. That's the only reason we need to rely on direct control. Without direct control, the policy goal of local airplane cannot be achieved as youth covenant affects a large area of the land. We sincerely hope can counselors can take a case by case approach. I emphasize I humbly uh request the council to take a case by case approach. I see the mayor's project. With that, I conclude my part. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 2904.265, "end": 2905.665, "text": "Any other questions, Councillor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2906.525, "end": 2922.585, "text": "Yes, uh so we uh first heard from you on this application back in December. You requested that it be delayed. Um we do see some changes here, taking down the number of units and uh improving the landscaping. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2923.325, "end": 2923.785, "text": "can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 2924.445, "end": 2935.425, "text": "can you just specif specifically touch on how the uh added time for engagement affected uh your presentation here today from the previous presentation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 2936.225, "end": 3065.785, "text": "Through the mayor to Councillor, thanks very much for the question. First of all, I want to say we appreciate the opportunity provided by counselors to delay this to give us more time to go talk with the community association and neighbors. We always believe that engagement is not only to listen, but also to seek meaningful compromise. In this case, we sincerely take our many steps that uh uh you know uh from the number unit from four plus four to three plus three, the landscaping the uh Gouache Paddy features. And of course, as I mentioned, the uh engagement will continue at the DP stage. Uh I um you know, through the discussion with the community association, I would say we did meet some of their requests, uh, but there's some fundamental, uh fundamental uh perceptions from some members of the community association that only want singles and duplex in those lots that are affected by Richard Covenant. Uh especially to this community of Richmond, uh, as I only started two Richard Covenants, uh, it's already affecting a large chunk of this community. Uh, and then it also affects two local airplanes with that after of extensive public engagement and a lot of effort. So I sincerely I feel that uh uh we we did meet a lot of uh a lot of demand, but there are some fundamentals that uh we personally uh in a group that I cannot agree with. We feel uh local airplanes better too to governing the uh orderly developer uh development of the uh city uh with the uh with the understanding that our city continue to grow from a city of 200,000 people to uh over right now 1.5 million. We might see over 2 million people under the leadership of this council. So I feel uh a cast by case approach is warranted instead of a one uh one thing fit all approach. Uh so that's why we uh we propose it like what it is now. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3067.705, "end": 3073.065, "text": "Uh thanks for that and for uh putting in that additional work. I don't have any further questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3074.645, "end": 3077.005, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions for the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3080.025, "end": 3089.125, "text": "Okay. Thank you so much for being here with us. Is there anyone on the line or in person who would like to speak to this item 7.1.1 land use amendment in Richmond?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 3091.185, "end": 3092.885, "text": "Sorry, I I may the owner also wants." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3092.885, "end": 3096.845, "text": "Yeah. So we have the uh owner as well who'd like to speak in favor? Yeah. Please come on up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 3097.385, "end": 3195.125, "text": "Hi, counselors. Thank you for letting me speak today. As a first-time developer, I can tell you I've learned a lot through this process. What I can say is when I went through the whole process, my intention here was not to look at a spreadsheet and maximize all the profit and everything I could gain from this. Intentionally, we put in, as Lay said, larger units. Actually, there are four bedrooms upstairs. Because the trend I'm seeing is even though studios and one-bedroom rents are coming down, three bedrooms, four bedrooms, and up are actually staying the same or going up in some cases because I think there's a lot of shared housing going on with multi-generational families and whatnot. The second reason I wanted to do this project is because I actually own a business as well called Revive Lifestyle Fitness, three minutes away from the site. And two years ago, I was very close to actually closing that down because of the challenges of COVID and things like that. Found a staff member. She's my manager now, and she was commuting an hour to and from work every day. She lives in Shawnee. And so not only was it an entrepreneurial purpose for developing this project, but being able in the future to offer someone who's been so critical to my business some form of subsidized or affordable housing. She actually came here from the Philippines has been amazing, and I really hope that offering that can also help keep her within the business long term. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3197.005, "end": 3200.225, "text": "Thank you. Any council members have questions for the speaker?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3200.665, "end": 3201.285, "text": "Councillor Schmidt?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3202.045, "end": 3204.065, "text": "Thanks for that and um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3205.645, "end": 3211.145, "text": "well congratulations for being d going through this for the first time as well. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3212.005, "end": 3240.865, "text": "So this is the land use stage where we ask specific questions around that. But given you're the owner of the site and we've heard from Mr. Wang about continued engagement through the development permit stage, and just given that engagement is important overall, um, would just like to hear your thoughts about being involved with Mr. Wang as this moves forward as the owner of the property and uh your enthusiasm and willingness to uh participate in that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 3242.325, "end": 3265.745, "text": "Yeah, absolutely. You know, I've I've had my business in Bankview, which is again three minutes from the site for uh excuse this year's our tenth year. Um so I'm very open to uh community engagement. Um we serve uh in the gym ourselves, we have about 150 members, so we serve a lot of people in the local community, so um definitely open to uh having feedback." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3266.805, "end": 3267.245, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_07", "start": 3267.405, "end": 3267.685, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3269.885, "end": 3271.385, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3274.165, "end": 3279.045, "text": "Seeing none, thank you so much uh for being here. Any other speakers who would like to speak to this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3281.305, "end": 3287.685, "text": "All right. Seeing none, uh, we will close the public hearing and I'll go over to you, uh, Councillor McLean, for uh recognition." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3289.505, "end": 3299.365, "text": "Well, thank you, Mayor. It is my honor and privilege to introduce you all to the grade four students of Woodlands School in Ward 13. Big wave, everybody." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3305.925, "end": 3312.305, "text": "I had a fantastic time speaking with you kids. You asked a lot of questions, a ton of really good questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3314.245, "end": 3325.385, "text": "And fun fact, kids, we get asked questions too. At the beginning of every city council meeting, remember I told you there's 14 counselors and a mayor, and we call this the horseshoe, and three of us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3325.865, "end": 3332.565, "text": "Get asked questions, but you have to react real quick and hit your button. It's like a game. Only the three can get in on their question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3332.865, "end": 3333.965, "text": "And this morning," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3334.605, "end": 3347.445, "text": "I was number four, so I had to get my question asked, which was going to ask the administration why they're thinking about prohibiting the private sector from providing street lighting in the neighborhoods, and wanted the administration to do it. So I didn't get to ask that question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3349.685, "end": 3351.825, "text": "So maybe I might have to do that tomorrow." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3351.825, "end": 3353.885, "text": "Always tomorrow. Tomorrow." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3355.165, "end": 3360.805, "text": "You guys did ask a question though. You asked how and why do communities change over time?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3361.425, "end": 3397.185, "text": "And the answer to that is because people's needs and their lives change. You know, the city grows, we have new technologies, people move in, they move out. And that's what we're going to be talking a lot about here today. This is what's called public hearing where we're going to talk about new land uses and new growth and subdivisions and housing. Pretty, pretty boring stuff. But I'm glad you guys came down here. It was a real joy to talk with you kids yesterday. So now what I'd like you to do is stand up, because this is live streamed. All sorts of people are watching this. You might get noticed and become famous. So stand up and let us all give you a big hand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 3413.505, "end": 3414.045, "text": "Thanks, Andre." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3414.525, "end": 3420.505, "text": "All right. The public hearing is closed. We are on to questions administration with starting with Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3422.165, "end": 3423.925, "text": "Uh thank you, worship. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3424.685, "end": 3456.305, "text": "to admin that this is I'm looking for a little bit of guidance, not necessarily on this particular application, but sort of in general, because what I'm seeing here in front of us is we basically have three different sort of, if you will, planning documents that are not aligned. We we have uh the local area plan saying that this would be uh uh a neighborhood connector, we have uh the uh land use map saying that this would be RCG, and then the restrictive covenant as well. So, sort of first question I wonder if you can just speak to a little bit when we when we're faced with those sort of three, what sort of is the the hierarchy of that?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3457.285, "end": 3457.945, "text": "In your mind." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3460.085, "end": 3497.985, "text": "Thank you for the question. Through the chair, restrictive covenants are a private matter that is not something that is taken into consideration throughout our review. We do look at the planning policy in the area. So in this case, that would be the municipal municipal development plan as our overarching plan. And then it gets more specific with our local area plans. Our local area plans here do categorize it as the neighborhood connector, which does open up a variety of different building options and things that we anticipate to see here. The proposal for the H GO or the direct control based on the H GO district does align with the local area plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3499.245, "end": 3520.385, "text": "And I guess that's uh uh my next question is just uh we obviously have not yet updated the um the land use map based on the local area plans that we've uh that we have passed to this point. But given that neighborhood connector, would that most closely line to HGO? Is that kind of what we see as the most close alignment between those two things?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3521.385, "end": 3546.905, "text": "There are a variety of land uses that can work with the neighborhood connector. We also do need to look at the building scale as well. There may be all other items of the local area plan that come into play, such as transit station areas, neighborhood connection areas, main street areas. So there are multiple different things that could work here. The HGO district does align with the local area plan as a possibility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 3547.505, "end": 3571.825, "text": "Uh thanks. And I and I definitely look forward to us having a conversation as a council about fixing that in a little bit more of a holistic way instead of sort of on a on a on a case by case basis once we have a few more of these LAPs and we've taken a look at the land use uh bylaw. Uh final question just um on on this particular one. Um from administration's standpoint, uh why not come forward with the HGO then? Why go with the DC?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3573.605, "end": 3595.885, "text": "The proposal before us is something that comes through on a case by case basis from the applicant. The applicant did want to have a direct control district that had a limit on or a minimum number of units allowed on the parcel. It did align with the use of a DC in our land use bylaw and it does align with the local area plan. So from our perspective, it is something that is supportable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3596.325, "end": 3596.965, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3598.485, "end": 3600.185, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Panzopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3600.765, "end": 3602.185, "text": "Two questions. When you look" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3602.485, "end": 3630.825, "text": "at the map, it's RCG, and then there's a few times in today's public hearing where we're sort of carving out. So we've got sort of this big plan, and then individually, and just maybe talk through five, ten, twenty years from now, when we've got, you know, we think of city planning, we've got these big districts, and then it sort of moves, and all of a sudden there's a hundred little pieces of pie. Can you just sort of speak to that? Like I'm thinking in two years, when then three more DCs come in in four years, and we're talking about infrastructure and what works, and there's just doesn't appear to be continuity." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3631.285, "end": 3633.825, "text": "Can you sort of speak to that approach? Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3634.045, "end": 3635.305, "text": "how can we think about that? Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3635.305, "end": 3703.605, "text": "Absolutely, through the chair. What we typically see is we start off with a community through an outline plan, and you do see those large swathes of different districts, RCG, RG, RGM, the M districts. And then as communities grow and change, we do see applications come in looking for something a little bit different on the parcel. When we are reviewing these individual applications, such as the one before us today, we do look at our policy and we look at it and we say, okay, what does this area want to be when it grows up, so to speak? So in this case here, it may have started off as RCG, but our local area plan says it may evolve into something that is more intense, looking at more doors on the street, and then we look at the proposed district, the HGO district, and we look at it and we say, okay, this aligns with what the plan has in mind for the future. When we go to the next stages, should this be approved by council and we look at the development permit, then of course we go into even more detail about the number of units that are proposed, how they're working with everything on the street, how it's working with the neighbors, and we keep getting more and more specific as we go down the planning continuum." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3704.925, "end": 3712.145, "text": "Thanks so much for that. Uh the local area plan, um, how engaged is with the community associations? This one was just approved about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 3712.405, "end": 3744.225, "text": "six, seven months ago, back in May 2025. Can you just speak to that? Were they active? Uh, would they get their opinions? And and the reason I'm asking is on page 131, it very clearly states the city of Calgary supports the direction of this plan where there is a um a covenant, you know, basically saying that this plan sort of supersedes, but the community association was very adamant against that, saying it shouldn't be the policy of the city. So I just really would understand if they're specific on this, how much engagement, because there's quite a bifurcation. If this was a 30 year old plan, I can see the difference, but this literally is ink is still wet. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3745.285, "end": 3762.265, "text": "Through the chair, I know the community associations are quite involved throughout the process, as well as it goes through a public hearing before it gets approved ultimately by council and implemented. I wasn't a part of the community engagement on this one, so I I can't speak specifically to what this community association said during the LAP phase." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 3765.985, "end": 3784.905, "text": "Good morning. Um, Kevin Fraze, manager of local area planning. Yes, uh, Ms. Stengel is correct. The community association is engaged throughout the course of a local area plan. Uh, they um appoint representatives to uh to sit on our working group committee and are actively engaged throughout the process to provide their input. Their input is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 3785.605, "end": 3794.645, "text": "factored into all of the different uh considerations that we take in terms of ultimately coming up with the map and all of the policies that associate with that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3798.865, "end": 3801.845, "text": "Uh so you you explained pretty clearly that the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3802.805, "end": 3816.945, "text": "this application aligns with the LAP and the MDP. Um are both of those plans from the department's perspective in the public interest as far as a policy that we should follow as council?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3817.645, "end": 3824.325, "text": "They are council approved direction. That is our direction that we do look at every time that we look at our applications, so yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3825.065, "end": 3836.485, "text": "And so then uh you know, taking it from council to the administration side, how do planners define and determine the public interest when it comes to applications like this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3838.005, "end": 3863.325, "text": "Each application is reviewed based on its own merits, and we do review the planning policy, which is council's direction, and we ensure that they are in alignment. As we go down the planning continuum, we get more and more specific details on the application. So this is more high level since it is a land use. And then as we get to the DP level where we start looking at the specific building details, then we can also work with the community and the landowner and everything at that stage as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3864.525, "end": 3868.145, "text": "So then as far as the the trade-offs, uh you explained it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3868.365, "end": 3869.445, "text": "well there, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3870.065, "end": 3882.305, "text": "Even in the land use stage, when you're considering this from a public interest perspective, do you factor in local effects and uh along with the broader effects of had adding homes to the city?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3883.865, "end": 3885.745, "text": "Yes, that is something that we do look at." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 3886.905, "end": 3892.005, "text": "So I overall would your assessment of this land use be that it is in the public interest?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3894.325, "end": 3905.705, "text": "We do look at them on a case-by-case basis. As I mentioned, it does align with the local area plan. That is our council direction, and it does align with the direction that we've been given. And so therefore we do support this application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3906.085, "end": 3906.505, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 3909.145, "end": 3910.425, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Johnson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 3914.825, "end": 3916.865, "text": "Sorry, I I noticed you said uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 3917.365, "end": 3922.185, "text": "you don't take into consideration that it's restrictive covenant. Is that true?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3923.765, "end": 3925.645, "text": "That is correct. That is a private matter." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 3926.245, "end": 3936.805, "text": "Uh because it comes up in your report about three or four different times on background uh planning evaluation. So it does seem like it is in consideration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3938.045, "end": 3980.145, "text": "It can be a challenging thing. When we are looking at a development permit, for example, we do not take the restrictive covenant into account. When we do have an applicant coming forward saying that this is restricting and having some issues with their development later on, we do look at our local area plan and we determine that the local area plan does encourage additional density along this area, and that having a direct control district that does have that minimum density is in alignment with the local area plan. So that is something that we do consider. Removing a restrictive covenant or working with it at the development permit stage is not something that we consider, though. That is a separate and private matter." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 3980.925, "end": 3985.405, "text": "Do you see any potential risks to overturning a restrictive covenant?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3986.745, "end": 3988.865, "text": "That's not part of our review or our assessment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 3990.665, "end": 3995.245, "text": "So we're not afraid of class action lawsuits from homeowners regarding" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 3998.085, "end": 4000.405, "text": "That's not part of our review on this land use." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4001.505, "end": 4004.605, "text": "Let's uh get Ms. Goldstein to jump in here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 4006.505, "end": 4114.865, "text": "Oh, apologies. It didn't come up. So any questions on restrictive covenants, legalities, if it's opening up to risk, I would really encourage you, Councillor Johnson, to direct that to Miss Wobiser, who can talk about the city's responsibility in upholding restrictive covenants because they come in lots of shapes and sizes. We have restrictive covenants, for example, that could have a utility under it on a lot. Many of us have that on our homes. And that could be something where the applicant comes in and says to our utility department, you know what, I want to put my shed over top of this. Am I allowed to do this? Can I do, do I need to discharge the restrictive covenant to do that? And that's something that the city does have an interest in looking in. When it comes to these types of restrictive covenants, which were what we would think about as the first type of land use instrument. So they really, instead of having a land use bylaw at the time, they used these restrictive covenants to direct what would happen on them between landowners. So not allowed to put a home-based business or only can put one home on that lot. And the city of Calgary has said that those instruments do not influence the way that we look at evaluating our policies and our plans that are in place through council direction. So here, council said you have a local area plan that says this is a connector. So in the future we would see higher intensities along this area. And then we have an MDP that says that small scale intensification can happen. So when we look at that, that is the consideration that you see inside of our report. That's the type of consideration that we are taking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 4115.365, "end": 4116.645, "text": "and so so we're not." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 4117.825, "end": 4118.765, "text": "worried about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 4120.145, "end": 4124.465, "text": "the legal side of this, whether it's uh personal or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 4125.465, "end": 4126.045, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 4127.045, "end": 4131.685, "text": "municipal. So we're we're not worried that if we were to overturn this, that the neighbors would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 4134.425, "end": 4136.625, "text": "let cause a big stink about this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 4137.185, "end": 4163.305, "text": "So I will direct that to Ms. Wobiser. One thing that is very important, though, is that the decision before council today is not to overturn a restrictive covenant. We we're not the courts are responsible for anything to do with discharging of restrictive covenants. Today is about a planning matter and whether or not the context of that planning matter is on the site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 4163.365, "end": 4173.765, "text": "Forgive me for trying to think ahead here though. I think it is important that council realizes that there are implications on on even if this is a basic land use." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 4174.165, "end": 4188.645, "text": "bylaw change there are implications in the future. Um and I understand local area plan. I understand there's a need for this. I maybe I don't even disagree with what's what's going on here, but I mean if we don't take into account" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 4190.565, "end": 4195.505, "text": "what what's what's there already then we're setting up a precedent and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 4195.725, "end": 4199.145, "text": "I I don't think council should be trying to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 4200.005, "end": 4201.825, "text": "play too much with uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 4202.365, "end": 4205.405, "text": "what could happen should we change this. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 4205.705, "end": 4206.345, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 4207.045, "end": 4208.885, "text": "I'll I'll leave it to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 4209.145, "end": 4211.225, "text": "Councillor Schmidt to close on this. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4212.285, "end": 4217.265, "text": "It hasn't been moved, uh, Councillor Johnson. I will ask uh Ms. Wobisher to to weigh in briefly here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_43", "start": 4220.805, "end": 4221.405, "text": "Um," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_43", "start": 4222.065, "end": 4222.545, "text": "I'm not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_43", "start": 4223.125, "end": 4242.025, "text": "precisely sure what what question I'm answering, but I would say that we are comfortable with the land use that's before you and the defensibility of that. And again, remind council that what you're being asked to do is to determine the appropriate land use for this site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_43", "start": 4242.845, "end": 4249.205, "text": "And if you have more specific questions, feel free to let me know and I can expand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4252.645, "end": 4253.545, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4254.585, "end": 4256.245, "text": "Thank you. Over to Councillor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4260.065, "end": 4263.345, "text": "So while I appreciate the applicants coming forward with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4263.725, "end": 4267.465, "text": "making some concessions on this plan, at least what he said verbally," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4268.025, "end": 4273.105, "text": "but we regulate the use, not the user. And notwithstanding that this user" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4273.345, "end": 4274.705, "text": "has made some specific" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4275.005, "end": 4277.205, "text": "claims about what he plans on doing," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4277.605, "end": 4279.625, "text": "it doesn't limit the ability for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4279.925, "end": 4280.905, "text": "the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4281.485, "end": 4289.365, "text": "applicant to go to the full extent of what's allowable under the land use district once council's approved it. Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4290.445, "end": 4298.425, "text": "Through the chair, we do have a development permit that is in progress right now, but you are correct, the land use would still allow them to do something different should they choose." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4298.425, "end": 4302.805, "text": "Okay, did I miss that? Is that included in the package that there's a concurrent DP going on?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4302.985, "end": 4310.465, "text": "It is under review right now, so it's not truly concurrent. They are still finalizing some items and they are still working through the design elements right now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4310.685, "end": 4311.185, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4311.505, "end": 4316.665, "text": "So uh well that's that's reassuring that there's a DP and it's aligned with what the applicant has stated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4317.165, "end": 4323.365, "text": "Like I said, it is under review right now, but the concept that they showed here does appear to align with the development permit under review." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4323.865, "end": 4326.285, "text": "Um so they've gone for H go um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4327.005, "end": 4335.365, "text": "with uh with the minimum density. Could they not have applied for that same concept with the RCG with the DC?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4338.145, "end": 4350.485, "text": "Yes and no. Um they certainly could have done something like that. However, the rules in RCG are different than the rules in HGO, so they would have had some different design outcomes, so it would not have necessarily been the same application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4350.485, "end": 4373.285, "text": "Yeah, I'm not I'm not talking about the design, but I'm referring more so to the minimum uh density that's now been incorporated into this one, which I I guess is the subject of why they're looking for the DC predominantly. Well, I shouldn't say that, because I don't know what their design uh elements are, but that is one of the elements of why they're looking for the DC, right? Is to have that minimum density threshold." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4373.725, "end": 4383.285, "text": "That is a portion that they are looking for in the direct control, but they are looking for the base of the HGO district to allow for the flexibility of those rules as well. So they're looking for two separate items." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4383.345, "end": 4387.905, "text": "I probably should have asked the applicant that question as to why they went with HGO rather than RCG, but uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4388.125, "end": 4390.265, "text": "that ship has sailed, so to speak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4390.725, "end": 4394.585, "text": "So uh yeah, no, I think that pretty much covers all my questions. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4395.385, "end": 4398.585, "text": "Thanks. Just to follow up real quickly on that. The minimum though for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4399.325, "end": 4402.985, "text": "H go is less than the minimum of this DC. Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 4404.025, "end": 4412.405, "text": "The H GO district doesn't have any minimum or maximum density within the base district. The direct control district does introduce a minimum density." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4412.965, "end": 4414.185, "text": "Uh over to Councillor Ward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4416.705, "end": 4417.745, "text": "Um yeah, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4418.405, "end": 4431.125, "text": "I mean we've been through this before. The reason the applicant wants direct control is because there's case law that I have it on my screen that shows that going to direct control can help override restrictive covenants, and that that is the reason they want direct control. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4431.125, "end": 4439.685, "text": "Councillor Ward, I I just gotta stop you there. We can we can speculate, but I think I would just ask every Councillor to refrain from making just declarative statements like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4440.385, "end": 4444.905, "text": "the the specific reason they want this is X, just to protect the city potentially from." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4447.425, "end": 4449.085, "text": "I will re I will rephrase." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4449.645, "end": 4451.305, "text": "It's it's quite arguable, yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4451.325, "end": 4452.665, "text": "I will rephrase." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4453.065, "end": 4454.425, "text": "Direct control" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4455.345, "end": 4461.125, "text": "has been shown in the in the courts to allow a restrictive covenant to be overridden." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4461.805, "end": 4470.345, "text": "So if I was an applicant, what I would suggest is talk to your neighbors. If they're okay with this, the way a restrictive covenant works is it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4470.865, "end": 4482.725, "text": "if nobody challenges it in court, then you're fine. It's only an issue if if somebody has an issue with what you're doing that goes against a restrictive covenant and they challenge it. So if the neighbors are okay with it, then" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4483.125, "end": 4488.225, "text": "there's no issue here. So I just don't think that the corporation should be taking on the risk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_11", "start": 4490.645, "end": 4493.125, "text": "Again, I'll stop there because we're we're on the line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4494.485, "end": 4498.545, "text": "Yeah, we're not in debate yet, but uh would anyone like to move this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4501.125, "end": 4504.345, "text": "Councillor Schmidt, uh let's I'll go over to you to open." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4505.245, "end": 4508.365, "text": "Uh I will uh save my open for close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4509.605, "end": 4510.265, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4510.885, "end": 4512.645, "text": "Uh is there a second or for this item" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4513.185, "end": 4516.865, "text": "Councillor Atkinson. Okay, it's uh on the table. Anyone wish to speak on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4516.865, "end": 4516.885, "text": "here?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4519.305, "end": 4519.845, "text": "Councillor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4521.005, "end": 4522.085, "text": "Yeah, no, I um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4522.965, "end": 4525.965, "text": "I think I kind of stated it in my questions and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4526.465, "end": 4530.685, "text": "um whilst I appreciate the what the applicant has done here in regards to um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4531.205, "end": 4534.345, "text": "addressing some of the issues of the adja adjacent residents, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4534.525, "end": 4537.425, "text": "I think that there was a question that was sort of raised" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4538.265, "end": 4540.465, "text": "uh during questioning um as to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4540.825, "end": 4556.965, "text": "The rationale around this. And again, it's I I I in my opinion, I believe it's being used primarily to mini minic mitigate risk associated with an applicant or an adjacent neighbor from challenging the development permit through the courts by virtue of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4557.225, "end": 4569.705, "text": "it contravening the restrictive covenant. And I'm not a fan of using direct control bylaws to circumvent or to risk mitigate an application on a development permit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4570.265, "end": 4573.245, "text": "As was stated by one of my colleagues, is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4573.445, "end": 4580.625, "text": "they can certainly move forward with their DP, and if they've had a chance to speak to some of their neighbors, they could eliminate that risk at least." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4582.305, "end": 4583.245, "text": "Partially. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4585.845, "end": 4586.805, "text": "for me it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4587.045, "end": 4588.025, "text": "it's a question of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4588.965, "end": 4591.025, "text": "is it applicable or not? And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4591.725, "end": 4594.085, "text": "it is applicable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4594.445, "end": 4596.945, "text": "But because there is a restrictive covenant," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4597.685, "end": 4598.565, "text": "I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4599.025, "end": 4600.465, "text": "hesitant to support this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4602.445, "end": 4605.325, "text": "Um by some of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4605.925, "end": 4606.285, "text": "the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4606.605, "end": 4607.785, "text": "uh concerned um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4608.265, "end": 4609.925, "text": "uh letters here um so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4610.105, "end": 4610.345, "text": "Or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4610.625, "end": 4611.265, "text": "at least" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4611.885, "end": 4615.005, "text": "from what I'd heard previously from some of the community members, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4615.625, "end": 4616.585, "text": "uh there is um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4617.605, "end": 4619.205, "text": "I guess some concerns" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4619.845, "end": 4621.185, "text": "that I think need to be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4621.545, "end": 4622.805, "text": "taken into consideration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4623.805, "end": 4624.305, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4625.325, "end": 4626.165, "text": "the Richmond Hill" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4626.465, "end": 4627.745, "text": "Um Community Association" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4628.485, "end": 4630.545, "text": "did raise some concerns that I think" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4631.185, "end": 4633.085, "text": "uh are worthy of consideration. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4634.005, "end": 4635.045, "text": "for those reasons, I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 4635.685, "end": 4639.165, "text": "whilst I appreciate what the applicant has done to mitigate that, I can't support it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4641.085, "end": 4642.305, "text": "Over to Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 4643.285, "end": 4655.905, "text": "Yeah, I actually kind of want to echo a little bit of what Councillor Shabelle was just saying there. I d like this was great. I really appreciate where you're going where you're going with this. Uh I'm supportive of the fact that it's in alignment with the LAP. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 4656.725, "end": 4704.625, "text": "I wanted to kind of draw us back to something that Councillor Panasopoulos asked though in his questions. I am not a fan of this patchwork DC thing happening across the city with all with all of these little pockets. It's something that I've been talking about for 15 plus years. So in this particular part of the debate, I just wanted to sort of um throw it to my my colleagues that as a reminder that like once blanket rezoning is complete, once we have the update to the local uh to the land use bylaw, uh we have some work to do in terms of aligning our land use map with our local area plans uh in order to be able to lessen the number of DCs that are coming towards us. I recognize that in this particular case, there's the complexity of the restrictive covenant." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 4705.165, "end": 4727.325, "text": "That's not something I think that uh uh should be before us here today. For me, it's simply the looking at the uh the number of direct control districts that we're that we're sort of doing when I don't think there's really a need for it in this particular case in HGO or even as uh Councillor Chabot said a potential RCG with some uh um refinements to it could have potentially worked. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 4728.185, "end": 4730.265, "text": "yeah, that's where I'm at right now. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4733.945, "end": 4734.905, "text": "Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 4736.985, "end": 4847.685, "text": "Uh I will be supporting this. Um I live in a neighborhood that has a restrictive covenant. I'm fairly well versed, and while I totally recognize that you can go through the process of trying to get every neighbor to sign on, you have to get every single neighbor. We are dealing with a legacy product brought in by previous councils and administrations, something I think we are all quite familiar with these days of past council decisions and past administrations and the way that things were done. And unfortunately, the one mechanism at disposal here to actually deal with the consequences of the way that that was brought in in an improper way instead of through land use bylaw is this direct control. So while I I recognize this idea of creating a patchwork of direct controls, uh this is the mechanism by which you can actually make sure that this takes place. Otherwise, it is on the applicant to get every single person, every single person under that direct con or that, sorry, that restrictive covenant to sign on to the removal of the restrictive covenant. If one person within that community either doesn't want to sign it or can't be contacted for some reason, then you cannot have the restrictive covenant discharged in the manner that we're we're we're talking about here. So this is a mechanism to deal with uh the failings of of councils and administrations in the planning ways of the past. Uh, and it is it is very important that we uh we we could, it was asked in the past when these uh restrictive covenants were being brought forward on a case by case basis with direct controls, whether uh city administration would actually take the the step to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 4848.225, "end": 4873.565, "text": "Remove restrictive covenants that they imposed back in the day before there was land use planning and they brought this in as their form of land use planning and there was not the will of council or administration to do deal with it in that proper way that should have been done if we want to then just be able to deal with land use planning in the way that we deal with land use planning outside of restrictive covenant areas. So uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 4874.245, "end": 4880.265, "text": "to that end, I I do support correcting uh and building towards the future. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4881.805, "end": 4895.925, "text": "Thank you, uh Councillor. Before I go to Councillor Schmidt, uh I will just kind of reinforce what I heard from Councillor Shabot. Um Councillor Ward, despite the fact that I had to intervene on you, it certainly appears to be the case that council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4896.345, "end": 4904.205, "text": "our land use and public hearing process is somewhat being weaponized uh via the or as ammunition for applicants to go to the courts" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4904.425, "end": 4907.925, "text": "to assist with uh the discharge of these RCs and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 4908.325, "end": 4937.565, "text": "And you know, those are private matters, but really what's before us, is it a justifiable leap for council to make the intervention here to implement a minimum amount of density in this particular lot? And from my perspective, just from a land use perspective, it does not seem justified in this particular area, given the lack of adjacency to key services, that sort of thing, to justify the minimum amount of density that's being asked here, uh, above and beyond what HGO asked for. So that is uh my piece. Over to you, Councillor Schmidt, to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4939.705, "end": 4945.745, "text": "So we heard this application aligns with the MDP, the LAP goals." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4946.645, "end": 4953.785, "text": "Both of which were created after years of engagement and in the public interest. This is consistent with the LAP," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4954.225, "end": 4960.605, "text": "and we spend years developing these goals and visions. And I would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4961.285, "end": 4964.265, "text": "actually argue that we should take our" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4964.905, "end": 4976.605, "text": "attention away from the restrictive covenant because that's it's not our uh circus to deal with here. It's a it's a separate issue, it's a private issue. Our main" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4977.225, "end": 4984.005, "text": "Consideration today is what are our policies? Are those policies in the public interest? We heard yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 4984.665, "end": 5000.365, "text": "The DC district is something within the toolkit that is available to people to use in these applications. If we don't like DCs, we should do the work to get rid of them or to limit their use or change them. But what's before us today" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5001.245, "end": 5003.485, "text": "is a legitimate planning tool." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 5004.185, "end": 5056.985, "text": "Aligning with legitimate public policy, all of which are in the public interest. And this application gets us closer to the goals that we have determined in the past are in the public interest. And even though, I mean, there is some risk here, but units with enough bedrooms for larger families are not built enough in this city. And should they continue with that plan, which I hope they will, and uh we will continue communication with them to ensure that they keep their promise. This is something that is badly needed. So, as council, we must ask ourselves why do we devote time and money on plans just to refuse things that align with them? This aligns, which is why I'm in support, and my mind is solely on the application before us and not private matters that are outside of our control. So I will be voting in support." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5059.625, "end": 5063.805, "text": "Great. Uh thank you for that. Um, Madam Clerk, let's please engage the e vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5063.845, "end": 5064.905, "text": "on the recommendation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5071.045, "end": 5073.785, "text": "Let's hope everyone remembers how to use e scribe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5075.405, "end": 5076.685, "text": "It's my first time this year." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5077.985, "end": 5078.705, "text": "It's been a little while." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5081.105, "end": 5082.465, "text": "The hamsters are spinning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5083.905, "end": 5085.325, "text": "It appears to be taking a minute." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5086.665, "end": 5087.885, "text": "The first one's always uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5088.165, "end": 5089.825, "text": "takes a little bit of time to spin up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5092.945, "end": 5093.505, "text": "It's ready." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5104.525, "end": 5105.945, "text": "Councillor Tyres, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5107.365, "end": 5107.885, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5109.465, "end": 5110.825, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5111.585, "end": 5113.665, "text": "Thank you, Madam Clerk. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5119.425, "end": 5128.325, "text": "On the line use amendment in uh Richmond Ward 8, uh the motion is carried 8 to 7 with uh counselors Ward, Johnston," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5129.325, "end": 5132.205, "text": "Jameson, Tyre, Chabot, McLean, and myself opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5132.585, "end": 5134.565, "text": "Okay, we will now move to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5136.265, "end": 5139.285, "text": "The uh subsequent uh reading here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5141.325, "end": 5150.245, "text": "Madam Clerk, if you don't mind just displaying who was opposed on could we just show on the screen? Because I'll I'll call these on the same division so that we're marked uh opposed for the various readings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5150.385, "end": 5154.905, "text": "I don't believe that we can recast that image of the horseshoe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5155.485, "end": 5160.625, "text": "Okay, no problem. Well uh we'll we'll just call it out by voice on the first year and uh council bear with me here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5161.345, "end": 5164.905, "text": "Uh we will now go to first reading of bylaw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5165.265, "end": 5174.765, "text": "6D 2026. Anyone opposed? My s just wave, put up your arm here if you were opposed to the motion that passed uh previously, and I'll just call out your names." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5175.065, "end": 5181.965, "text": "So uh I am opposed, Councillor McLean is opposed, Councillor Chabot is opposed, Councillor tires is opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5182.105, "end": 5183.425, "text": "Councillor Ward is opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 5185.085, "end": 5187.185, "text": "Just confirming we're reading the correct number." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 5188.025, "end": 5188.885, "text": "He said 16." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5189.265, "end": 5190.565, "text": "Oh whoops. Oh boy. Yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5191.085, "end": 5192.325, "text": "All right. Let's start that over." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 5201.025, "end": 5203.445, "text": "Apologies, council. So let's start over here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5205.685, "end": 5208.225, "text": "So this is proposed. Uh I think my" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5208.385, "end": 5215.165, "text": "screen this is proposed bylaw 162D 2025. First reading of this bylaw. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5215.725, "end": 5215.965, "text": "on a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5215.965, "end": 5216.845, "text": "Councillor Chabot? Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5216.845, "end": 5218.465, "text": "on a point of procedure. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5218.985, "end": 5220.685, "text": "Councillor Atkinson has left the room." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5221.325, "end": 5221.865, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5222.045, "end": 5224.125, "text": "so he's not voting on the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5224.805, "end": 5225.545, "text": "And this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5225.545, "end": 5226.965, "text": "By law reading will fail." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5226.965, "end": 5232.665, "text": "is the possibility that it'll fail on a 7-7 tie because he voted in favor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5233.225, "end": 5237.905, "text": "So I would suggest that council might want to wait until Councillor Atkinson is back" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 5238.305, "end": 5243.845, "text": "in the room. I'm trying to filibuster here a little bit to hoping he can hear me in the back." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5243.845, "end": 5247.905, "text": "Let me just uh return to my script here and make sure that I'm reading the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5248.425, "end": 5250.425, "text": "correct bylaw number." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5251.645, "end": 5253.225, "text": "All right, so we are on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5253.705, "end": 5257.565, "text": "again, this is uh item 7.1.1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5259.365, "end": 5267.085, "text": "7.1.1, which I believe is the bylaw 160. We gotta stay in our chairs, folks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5268.285, "end": 5269.465, "text": "Speak slower." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5269.665, "end": 5276.105, "text": "Yes. Yes, so we're on uh um this would be the the bylaw one sixty." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5277.005, "end": 5278.025, "text": "All right, so." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5278.665, "end": 5297.905, "text": "It's been moved by Councillor Schmidt, second by Councillor Atkinson, that with respect to report CPC 2025-0719, that the following was adopted. The council gives three readings to propose bylaw 162D 2025 for the redesignation of.0.5 hectares." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_32", "start": 5297.905, "end": 5298.945, "text": "Yeah looks like we're good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5298.945, "end": 5300.085, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5301.245, "end": 5311.705, "text": "That that motion, as uh mentioned, was carried 8 to 7, which allows us to move to the first reading of the bylaw. That's it's gonna be a long year at this rate, council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5312.085, "end": 5317.785, "text": "Uh first reading of bylaw 162D 2025. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5318.265, "end": 5331.425, "text": "Raise your uh all in favor, any opposed, raise your hand if you're opposed. I am opposed. Councillor Johnston, Councillor Ward, Jameson, Tyre, Chabot, and McLean are opposed to the first reading." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5332.425, "end": 5379.585, "text": "Okay, so that uh that has carried that first reading has carried. I'm now calling for the second reading of bylaw 162 D 2025. Uh anyone opposed to the same division? So I'm just gonna say that uh we're we're going with the same division of the first one. Nobody is opposed to that same division. So uh that motion has or that bylaw reading has carried. I'm seeking authorization for third reading of bylaw 162 D 2025. Anyone opposed? Seeing none, that authorization has uh carried unanimously. Uh calling third reading of bylaw 162 D 2025 on the same division of the previous. Any opposed? Seeing none, that uh reading on the same division of the previous has carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5380.065, "end": 5380.645, "text": "Alright." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5383.185, "end": 5384.085, "text": "We're gonna make it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5387.505, "end": 5391.925, "text": "This is gonna be a fun year, everybody. Alright, so we are now to the uh next item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5393.545, "end": 5396.945, "text": "Miss Stingle, uh please take us away on 7.2.1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5397.665, "end": 5407.205, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Item 7.2.1 is a land use amendment to allow for additional residential and open space development within Saddle Ridge. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5408.825, "end": 5434.185, "text": "The recommendation before Council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 6D 2026 for the redesignation of three parcels from the special purpose future urban development or SFUD district and the multi residential low profile M1 district to the multi residential medium profile M2 district and the special purpose School, Park, and Community Reserve SSPR district. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5435.425, "end": 5452.145, "text": "The subject site is located in the northeast community of Saddle Ridge, south of Airport Trail and east of Metis Trail and the Calgary International Airport. Saddle Ridge Town Center is to the southeast, including the LRT Station, Genesis Center, and a mix of commercial businesses. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5453.205, "end": 5474.445, "text": "The site is comprised of three parcels located immediately south of 88th Avenue Northeast and is currently undeveloped. The section of Saddle Ridge is undergoing a primarily residential construction as can be seen in the site to the west. Peter Lawheed School, Playground, and Playfields are visible to the east across 52nd Street Northeast. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5475.645, "end": 5509.105, "text": "Surrounding development is categorized as multi-residential to the west with low density residential beyond, shown in yellow and orange. The school site and open spaces are shown in green. The northern, roughly two-thirds of the subject site, is currently designated as the special purpose future urban development district, which is intended for lands that are awaiting urban development and utility servicing. The southern portion is designated as the multi residential, low profile M1 district, which allows for multi residential development of low height and medium density. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5510.025, "end": 5537.525, "text": "This application proposes two land use districts. The first is the multi-residential medium profile M2 district, which allows for multi-residential development in a variety of forms, with a maximum height of 16 meters or about 4 to 5 stories, and a maximum floor area ratio of 3.0. The district does not have a maximum density but does require a minimum density of 60 units per hectare, which is about 151 units here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5538.445, "end": 5554.445, "text": "The second proposal is the special purpose School Park and Community Reserve SSPR district, which allows for municipal reserve to be provided at the southwest corner of the site in alignment with the neighboring parcels, providing a link to other open space areas nearby. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5556.805, "end": 5583.345, "text": "The proposed land use designations are in alignment with the associated land outline plan, which was approved at the October 30th Calgary Planning Commission meeting and is shown here for reference. The outline plan features a pedestrian connection and anticipates private roads connecting to 87th Avenue Northeast, which extends into the area. A multi use connection is planned along the southern property line, further connecting the site to the larger context. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5584.805, "end": 5592.345, "text": "The application is in alignment with the Saddle Ridge Area Structure Plan, which anticipates a neighborhood activity center and pathway connections here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5592.785, "end": 5613.605, "text": "The proposal allows for an anticipated density of 77 units per hectare and an intensity of 175 people and jobs per gross developable hectare, meeting the requirements of both the Municipal Development Plan and the Area Structure Plan, which requires a minimum of 100 people and jobs per hectare in Neighborhood Activity Center here. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5614.525, "end": 5636.005, "text": "This application would allow for the continued development of a neighborhood that aligns with the area structure plan and targets of the municipal development plan and also allows for an increase to the park and open space network in the area. Calgary Planning Commission supports the application and recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw 60 2026. Thank you, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5638.205, "end": 5642.985, "text": "Thank you so much. We will now move to the uh public hearing for 7.2.1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5645.085, "end": 5646.505, "text": "The public hearing is open." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5647.265, "end": 5648.065, "text": "Applicant" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5648.965, "end": 5649.705, "text": "is with us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5658.105, "end": 5730.425, "text": "Your worship and members of council, my name is Grant Mahalchan with BA Studios. I'm the applicant and the planning consultant. I'm here representing my client, Shandon Holmes, in support of our bylaw and to answer any questions you may have. The site is in Saddle Ridge Cell D, which is an area that was previously subdivided as part of Rocky View as small country residential parcels before being annexed by the city of Calgary. It is currently redeveloping, redeveloping slowly due to the fragmented ownership of the area. Our proposal is to redesignate the three parcels to multi-residential medium profile M2 district. And the site is adjacent to existing M2 district to the west as well as to the south. And while higher density mixed use DC is located to the immediate east. The site is located near school, next to transit routes, and within the ASP Neighborhood Activity Center, where a concentration of higher density residential and a variety of building forms is encouraged." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5730.665, "end": 5739.565, "text": "So the proposal will enable required linkages while providing housing options that will add vibrancy to the community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5740.225, "end": 5756.785, "text": "Open space will be this designated SSPR in the southwest corner of the site, fulfilling municipal reserve requirements. While combining with the previously dedicated MOR, it will allow for a larger usable space." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5758.425, "end": 5773.805, "text": "In conclusion, the proposed use is compatible with the surrounding land uses near transit routes and the school, exceeds the minimum density requirements of both the MDP and ASP policies and provides Calgarians with housing options that are in demand." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 5774.105, "end": 5783.865, "text": "As such, your worship and members of council, we respectfully request your support in three readings of the proposed bylaw. I'm here to answer any questions that you may have. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5784.045, "end": 5787.425, "text": "Thank you so much, Mr. Mahalshin. Any questions for the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5790.125, "end": 5791.525, "text": "Seeing none, you are off the hook, sir." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5792.645, "end": 5795.445, "text": "All right. Anyone here to speak to some point two point one?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5797.645, "end": 5801.125, "text": "Seeing none, we will close the uh public hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5801.645, "end": 5805.045, "text": "Uh perhaps over to you, Councillor Deliwell. You have any questions for admin or you want to move the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5805.045, "end": 5839.905, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. Just a couple uh quick ones. First of all, I want to thank administration and applicant for working on this. It's been a long time coming due to fragmented ownership. So thank you. Looks really nice with uh now MR all consolidated on one side. Just uh uh on the conditions for approval 23 uh with the land uses that uh provide a letter of credit for full cost of traffic signals to be implemented on 48th and 88. Uh is that gonna be part of their development approval too that they get a or we get to install it right when the development is done, or is it for the future?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 5841.825, "end": 5849.485, "text": "Through the chair, thanks for the question, Councillor Dollywell, Tom Hopkins Development Engineering. So that would be at the subdivision stage that we'd require that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 5849.945, "end": 5856.785, "text": "So with the development permit, they would submit the money for it, and one warranted, it would be constructed in the near future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5857.125, "end": 5860.925, "text": "Also, it's not gonna happen right away, right with the it's for the future." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 5861.425, "end": 5863.105, "text": "In the near future, yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5863.345, "end": 5863.805, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5864.345, "end": 5889.625, "text": "I have other DP type questions, but I'll leave them now about 88th Avenue. I'm happy to move. Straightforward application. Like I said, thank you to administration and applicant for working on this for last many few months. There was lots of back and forth, but uh good to see finally good product coming with good housing, good municipal reserve, close to transit. So with that, I urge my council colleagues to support it. With that, I'm open." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5890.565, "end": 5894.885, "text": "All right, it's been moved and uh seconded by Councillor Shabeau. Any other debate on this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5897.725, "end": 5900.205, "text": "All right, seeing none, uh are you closed, Councillor Deliwell?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 5900.285, "end": 5901.325, "text": "I'm close, Mayor. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5901.505, "end": 5904.565, "text": "All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's please engage the uh e vote" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5904.785, "end": 5905.805, "text": "on 7.2.1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5916.885, "end": 5918.405, "text": "Councillor Atkinson, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5919.365, "end": 5919.945, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 5920.825, "end": 5922.185, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5922.545, "end": 5924.245, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5926.705, "end": 5936.185, "text": "On 7.2.1, Land Deus Amendment and Saddle Ridge. The motion is carried unanimously. 15 to 0. We'll now move to the readings of the correct bylaw," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5936.685, "end": 5941.685, "text": "which is uh first reading of bylaw 6D 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5942.305, "end": 5947.665, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 6D 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5947.985, "end": 5949.445, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5949.765, "end": 5954.385, "text": "Seeking authorization for third reading of bylaw 6D 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5954.905, "end": 5956.865, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5957.325, "end": 5962.425, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 6D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 5964.025, "end": 5968.365, "text": "All right, on to item 7.2.2, line use amendment in Glendale." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5970.225, "end": 5976.825, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Item two is a land use redesignation to allow for grade oriented housing units. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5978.245, "end": 5995.945, "text": "The recommendation before Council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 1D 2026 for the redesignation of 4939 17th Avenue from the residential grade oriented Infill RCG district to the housing grade oriented HGO district. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 5997.405, "end": 6010.505, "text": "The site is located in the southwest community of Glendale, east of SARSE Trail and north of Optimus Athletic Park. The 45th Street LRT station is about a three minute walk to the northeast. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6011.365, "end": 6020.485, "text": "The site is mid block along 17th Avenue and is currently developed with a single detached home with a detached garage accessed from the rear lane. Next slide please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6021.965, "end": 6068.005, "text": "Surrounding uses consist primarily of low-density residential homes in the form of single-detached dwellings shown in yellow. Row houses are located to the west along 17th Avenue, and commercial businesses are located on the north side of 17th Avenue, shown in red. Immediately to the east are five parcels shown as the HGO district. A mix of stacked townhouses, townhouses with suites, and semi-detached homes are currently under construction on these parcels. The subject site and parcels to the immediate west and south are designated as the residential grade oriented infill RCG district, which allows for a variety of low density housing types. The RCG district has a maximum density of 75 units per hectare, which would allow for five dwelling units here. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6069.085, "end": 6091.185, "text": "The application is proposing the housing grade oriented HGO district, which allows for a range of grade oriented building forms that are consistent with low density residential districts and allows for a range of housing forms that may be attached, stacked, or clustered. The district allows a maximum building height of 12 meters and a maximum floor area ratio of 1.5. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6092.705, "end": 6119.885, "text": "The proposal meets the site selection criteria in the purpose statement of the HGO district as the Westbrook Community's Local Area Plan, or LAP, identifies the subject site as being part of the Neighborhood Connector Urban Form category. The LAP also identifies the site as having a low, up to six stories building scale and as being within the 45th Street Transit Station area, which is envisioned to be an area of moderate activity and density. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6120.925, "end": 6138.085, "text": "This proposal would allow for increased density on a residential parcel near commercial nodes and transit in alignment with the local area plan. Calvary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw 1D 2026 for the redesignation of the subject site. Thank you, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6138.625, "end": 6143.425, "text": "Thank you, Ms Stingle. Let's uh open our public hearing on 7.2.2 in Glendale." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6144.085, "end": 6145.325, "text": "Do we have the applicant with us?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6146.985, "end": 6148.325, "text": "Yes, Mayor Farkas, I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6148.825, "end": 6150.865, "text": "Thank you. Uh you have five minutes. Take our way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6152.145, "end": 6153.625, "text": "Wonderful. Thank you very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6153.945, "end": 6187.085, "text": "Good morning, Mayor Farkas and Counselors. My name is Clay Israelson of Collective Design, and I am the applicant on the file before you and designer on the development permit, which is currently under review. I'd like to thank administration for their presentation. I think they've covered the site very well. And so I'll just draw attention to a few uh comments here. Uh the first one being that we uh have support within policy for the local area plan and uh great proximity to transit with the LRT station, um, being I think 250 meters away." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6187.645, "end": 6196.665, "text": "And then similar scale developments on both east and west sides. So with that, I'm open to any questions that you may have, and I hope that you'll support the application before you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6197.965, "end": 6203.285, "text": "Thank you. Do we have any questions for Mr. Israelson? Uh Councillor Penzopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6204.445, "end": 6207.985, "text": "Thank you so much and thank you so much for that presentation and given the context." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6208.245, "end": 6213.725, "text": "Uh maybe just speak a bit about that section and and your neighbors and the development and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6214.285, "end": 6220.985, "text": "You know, your ability to go up to s five, six stories. Can you just sort of speak to that? What's the the plan fitting in with neighborhood? Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6222.025, "end": 6224.545, "text": "yeah, just sort of how are you thinking about that in this specific area?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6225.905, "end": 6251.325, "text": "Yeah, certainly. Thank you for the question, Councillor. With this site specifically, we wanted to propose a built form that I feel is contextual with the surrounding area. Directly to the east, we have some three story HDO developments. And then to the west of us, we have an RCG four unit, four suite townhouse, which is, I believe, about 10 and a half meters tall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6251.745, "end": 6279.565, "text": "To the south, we have existing uh you know low density built form, single families with very few infills, but uh a lot of you know single story homes. So we wanted to propose a development which had uh three bedroom layouts for all of the units, uh two bedroom layouts for suites where possible, but also again keeping in mind um you know the existing built form of community and not trying to go uh into a maximum height that would be allowed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6280.485, "end": 6288.505, "text": "Thanks so much. Maybe just speak to density. I think in your your letter to the planning commission you speak of five and five. Maybe just speak did you consider less or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6289.425, "end": 6290.145, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6290.625, "end": 6294.625, "text": "jumping right to five plus five? Just maybe speak about your logic and thought process there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6296.205, "end": 6319.605, "text": "Yeah, for sure. I think this site specifically our our goal and the goal of the developer for this site was to achieve five units and five suites again while maintaining a two story built form. That works really well from a financial standpoint in terms of performa and building costs and keeps those things minimized while obviously achieving a density." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_18", "start": 6320.265, "end": 6337.045, "text": "which is within the you know the scope of the HDO district. So while we could have achieved a four by four under um you know the existing zoning, the built form and the and the bylaws within the HDO district provide opportunity for uh a built form with a bit more flexibility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6337.985, "end": 6339.445, "text": "Appreciate that. Thank thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6341.345, "end": 6343.465, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions for the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6346.305, "end": 6353.205, "text": "Current seeing none, uh thank you so much for being with us. Are there anyone else who would like to speak in during the public hearing?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6356.165, "end": 6358.665, "text": "All right, we shall close the public hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6362.125, "end": 6362.365, "text": "Yeah," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6362.845, "end": 6363.145, "text": "you're good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6363.525, "end": 6368.585, "text": "All right, uh over to Councillor Panzopoulos. Did you want to introduce the uh item or have any questions for advantage?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6368.685, "end": 6371.945, "text": "Absolutely. No, I'll definitely introduce it. You know, when I think of um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6372.605, "end": 6374.765, "text": "uh of development, particularly in this area," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6375.425, "end": 6390.285, "text": "transit oriented, fit with neighborhoods, super important, active engagement with community, housing fits the community, balanced option for buyers, not just specifically in one little area. I think that's a miss on the city. It's sort of that as you stand back and look, I can get a single family home, I can get a condo, I can get a town home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6390.785, "end": 6424.465, "text": "Um well certainly not a prescriptive list. I think this is one specific that hits these critical items. Think of the map that administration put in. 17th Avenue has changed so materially since I've moved to Calgary 25 years ago. Went from sort of a sleepy street, if you will, to development, and it makes sense there. Uh but notice the plan a block south would make no sense where you're into crescents and communities. And this is where something does, and you're seeing a lot of development, and a lot of the the concern of the um residents is let's just finish this construction, let's get it going. You've got an amazing sea train station there, you've got Sarsi, so all forms of of transportation exist there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6425.405, "end": 6430.045, "text": "When I th this is pretty small relative to what's coming in in Ward 6. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6430.845, "end": 6460.625, "text": "That are not transit oriented, that have no uh density where density makes no sense, where there's significant overbuilds relative to neighborhood and where engagement is subpar best. Unfortunately, those will be coming and you will hear a very different uh message from the Ward 6 Councillor. We've got 3,000 doors coming to be built over the next few years. We're doing our part uh for king and country. But something like this uh I think makes a lot of sense and hopefully you can support it given where it is on 17th Avenue, given the development that's happening. I think there's a consistency, but uh some uh doozies are coming in the next few months. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6463.285, "end": 6468.905, "text": "Thank you, sir. Uh I believe you've moved that item, seconded by uh Councillor Kelly. Over to Councillor Kelly to speak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 6470.225, "end": 6475.905, "text": "Uh Councillor Panasopoulos said a great right thing, right place. This is exactly the kind of thing we should be looking for. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6476.725, "end": 6478.205, "text": "All right, any other debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6480.505, "end": 6483.005, "text": "Seeing none, uh Councillor Panzopoulos, you've closed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 6483.225, "end": 6484.365, "text": "I'm closed. Thank you very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6484.505, "end": 6487.045, "text": "Alright, Madam Clerk, let's please engage the evote on this item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6488.265, "end": 6489.785, "text": "7.2.3." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6490.665, "end": 6492.585, "text": "2. Oh my gosh." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6493.025, "end": 6494.045, "text": "I can't count today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6494.525, "end": 6495.885, "text": "More so than usual." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6497.005, "end": 6497.785, "text": "Anyway, that we're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6497.965, "end": 6500.905, "text": "calling the e vote on the land use amendment in Glendale, Ward 6." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6509.345, "end": 6510.785, "text": "Councillor Kelly, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6511.345, "end": 6511.825, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6512.605, "end": 6513.905, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6514.225, "end": 6515.705, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6520.765, "end": 6524.325, "text": "Thank you. That motion has carried. We will now move to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6525.625, "end": 6527.365, "text": "the readings of the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6530.665, "end": 6536.945, "text": "First or that motion is carried unanimously, rather, 15 to 0. I know people listen to us like podcasts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6540.965, "end": 6543.425, "text": "Alright, we are now moving, uh riveting stuff, I know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6543.785, "end": 6545.725, "text": "Uh first reading of bylaw" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6546.125, "end": 6549.185, "text": "1D 2026, anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6550.185, "end": 6556.265, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 1D 2026, anyone opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6556.925, "end": 6558.325, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6558.705, "end": 6562.905, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 1D 2026, anyone opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6563.225, "end": 6570.345, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 1D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6571.045, "end": 6575.805, "text": "All right, we are now to 7.2.3 land use amendments in Montgomery Ward 7." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6577.305, "end": 6585.365, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Item three in my last item today is a land use redesignation to allow for grade-oriented housing units. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6586.965, "end": 6605.065, "text": "The recommendation before Council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 3D 2026 for the redesignation of 4816 Boness Road Northwest from the Residential Grade Oriented Infill RCG District to the Housing Grade Oriented HGO District. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6605.965, "end": 6625.825, "text": "The site is located in the northwest community of Montgomery, tucked in with the Bow River both to the west and the south. 16th Avenue is to the south and Shaganapi Trail to the east. There are many amenities in the area, including Shouldis Park, Dale Hodges Park, Market Mall, the Alberta Children's Hospital, University District, and the University of Calgary. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6626.905, "end": 6635.565, "text": "The site is mid block along Boness Road and is currently developed with a single detached home with a detached garage accessed from the rear lane. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6636.725, "end": 6685.865, "text": "Surrounding uses consist primarily of low-density residential homes in the form of single-detached dwellings shown in yellow and semi-detached homes shown in orange. A mix of row houses and townhouses are shown in brown. There are commercial businesses down the street to the southeast and along 16th Avenue. Bonus Road and 16th Avenue are main streets as identified in the municipal development plan and are zoned with the mixed-use districts to the southwest to encourage the development of a mix of residential and commercial businesses. The subject site and surrounding parcels are designated as the residential grade oriented infill RCG district, which allows for a variety of low density housing types. The RCG district has a maximum density of 75 units per hectare, which would allow for four dwelling units here. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6687.465, "end": 6709.445, "text": "The application is proposing the housing grade-oriented HGO district, which allows for a range of grade-oriented building forms that are consistent with low-density residential districts, and allows for a range of housing forms that may be attached, stacked, or clustered. The district allows for a maximum building height of 12 meters and a maximum floor-area ratio of 1.5. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6711.065, "end": 6744.305, "text": "The proposal meets the site selection criteria in the purpose statement of the HGO district as the South Chiganabi Community's local area plan identifies the subject site as being part of the neighborhood Flex Urban Form category, which supports a mix of commercial and residential uses in the area. The LAP also identifies the site as having a low up to six stories building scale and as being within the Boness Road Neighborhood Main Street area, which is envisioned to continue to be a pedestrian friendly mixed use area, accommodating additional residential and commercial growth. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_20", "start": 6745.565, "end": 6761.725, "text": "The proposal would allow for increased density on a residential parcel along a main street in alignment with the local area plan. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that council give three readings to the proposed bylaw 3D 2026 for the redesignation of the site. Thank you, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6763.325, "end": 6766.225, "text": "Thank you. Let's open the public hearing on this item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6771.085, "end": 6773.805, "text": "Thank you. We'll start with the applicant. Thank you so much for being here with us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6773.925, "end": 6780.305, "text": "Thanks, Mayor. Thanks, Mayor Councillors. Again, my name is Lee Bang. I'm speaking in support of this application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6781.465, "end": 6784.325, "text": "This lot is along Bonnets Road." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6784.485, "end": 6806.545, "text": "Bonnet Road is the main street throughout the community of Montgomery and Bonnet. My company is also sitting right beside Bonnet Road. Over the years, we have seen a lot of up and downs of business in Bonnet. A lot of business are struggling, especially when we have that war pipe outbreak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 6806.845, "end": 6881.525, "text": "So I would say recent years uh after the city passed the Bonus Main Street uh planning policy, that's the Bonus Road uh dedicated Main Street policy, and also with the investment city put in to improve the infrastructure along Bones Road, we are seeing a lot of buildings start to rebound back. Um and uh throughout this area, we have seen uh some mixed-use buildings, some commercial buildings, and of course there's some uh um uh dental office, clinic, uh variety of buildings. And this specific project is for grade-oriented uh housing, uh which aligns fully with our local airplane. In fact, our local airplane says uh neighborhood flag with a building scale up to six stories. Uh what we are proposing here is the grade oriented uh uh maximum storage, three story building. Uh, we think uh is uh kind of an important pie for uh continue to improve the uh viability of the Bonus as the main main street, Bonnet Road as the main street. So we hope councillors can support this uh project. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6883.745, "end": 6886.065, "text": "Thank you. Any questions for the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6889.885, "end": 6896.105, "text": "Seeing none, thank you for being here with us. Is there anyone else who would like to speak to this item? Anyone in person or on the line?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6901.145, "end": 6907.245, "text": "All right. We will close the public hearing on uh 7.2.3, the Montgomery Ward 7 item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6907.525, "end": 6908.685, "text": "Over to you, Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 6911.345, "end": 6926.845, "text": "Yeah, uh I support this application. Um the proximity to uh the main sort of connection there with Home Road, Boness Road, right by 16th Avenue. There's a safeway, uh, a lot of shops on there. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 6927.445, "end": 6942.785, "text": "there's uh uh uh a new bike lane that came in through Montgomery there, right on Boness Road. So nice to see some of the infrastructure leading the development in some ways uh along this corridor. Uh so in that way, I think um this kind of density" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 6943.665, "end": 6945.565, "text": "definitely works in this location. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6945.565, "end": 6951.085, "text": "Thanks. That's moved by Councillor Atkinson, second by Councillor Dollywall. Any other uh questions or debate on the item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6953.545, "end": 6956.265, "text": "No. Seeing none. Councillor Shabot?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6956.805, "end": 6957.485, "text": "Nope. All right." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6957.945, "end": 6960.005, "text": "Seeing none, over to you close, Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 6960.745, "end": 6961.145, "text": "Close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6961.565, "end": 6964.045, "text": "Okay. Madam Clerk, let's engage the evote, please, on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6964.425, "end": 6967.365, "text": "7.2.3 uh on Montgomery Award Zone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 6985.445, "end": 6986.805, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6987.165, "end": 6989.145, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 6993.785, "end": 6999.145, "text": "On uh 7.2.3, the land use amendment to Montgomery. The motion is carried 14 to 1." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7000.985, "end": 7003.585, "text": "Alright, we will now move to the readings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7010.265, "end": 7015.645, "text": "Alright, first reading of bylaw 3D 2026. Councillor Shabot is opposed," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7016.385, "end": 7017.665, "text": "and that has carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7018.025, "end": 7022.625, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 3D 2026, Councillor Shabot has carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7023.145, "end": 7030.485, "text": "Councillor Shabot is opposed and that is carried. Seeking authorization for third reading of bylaw 3D 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7031.025, "end": 7038.885, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 3D 2026, Councillor Shabot is opposed, and that has carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7040.745, "end": 7041.425, "text": "Alright." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7042.465, "end": 7048.945, "text": "We've got somebody new in the hot seat over there. Alright, we are in item 7.2.4, item in West of Hillhurst." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7050.065, "end": 7061.205, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas, and good morning everyone. My name is Lindsay Ganzar. I am a senior planner in the community planning department, and I will be presenting the next three items on the agenda." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7062.585, "end": 7069.465, "text": "So this next item is a land use redesignation application to allow for grade oriented housing. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7071.145, "end": 7076.745, "text": "The recommendation before council is to give bylaw 7D 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7077.805, "end": 7094.005, "text": "Three readings, sorry, for the redesignation of 2330 and 2332 Fifth Avenue Northwest from the residential grade oriented infill or RCG district to the housing grade oriented or HGO district. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7095.565, "end": 7109.105, "text": "The subject site is located in the community of West Hillhurst on the north side of Fifth Avenue between 22nd Street to the east and 23rd Street to the west. It is located one block east of Crowchild Trail." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7110.065, "end": 7111.025, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7112.825, "end": 7125.885, "text": "The site consists of two parcels with a combined area of approximately 0.1 hectares. Each parcel is currently developed with a single detached dwelling and a detached garage accessed from the rear lane." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7126.625, "end": 7127.525, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7129.325, "end": 7136.445, "text": "Surrounding development consists of a mix of single detached houses, semi detached houses, and row house buildings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7136.705, "end": 7146.305, "text": "Grand Trunk Park is located across 23rd Street to the west, and various commercial and medical uses are located along the Crowchild Trail Corridor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7147.365, "end": 7170.705, "text": "The subject site is currently designated as the RCG district, which allows for a variety of low density housing forms, including row houses and townhouses. The maximum building height in this district is 11 meters, and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare. Based on the parcel area of both lots, the site currently allows for up to seven dwelling units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7171.365, "end": 7172.285, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7174.565, "end": 7195.225, "text": "The proposed HGO district allows for a variety of grade-oriented housing forms that are contextually appropriate in low density areas and where dwelling units may be attached or stacked within a shared building or a cluster of buildings. The maximum building height is 12 meters and the maximum floor area ratio is 1.5." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7196.225, "end": 7197.125, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7198.945, "end": 7210.245, "text": "The proposal is in alignment with the Riley Communities Local Area Plan, or LAP, which identifies the site as being within the neighborhood connector urban form category." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7210.905, "end": 7219.525, "text": "Neighborhood Connector is intended primarily for residential uses with a broad range and mix of housing types located on higher activity streets." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7220.205, "end": 7227.465, "text": "The LAP also identifies the site as having a low modified building scale modifier, which allows for up to four stories." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7228.145, "end": 7229.105, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7230.885, "end": 7239.905, "text": "To conclude, the proposed land use change would enable future development that is better aligned with the area policy and contributes to an active community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 7240.165, "end": 7246.925, "text": "As such, the Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw. Thank you, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7249.145, "end": 7253.525, "text": "Thank you. Let's open the public hearing on 7.2.4, starting with the applicant." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7258.365, "end": 7260.705, "text": "Thanks again. Uh easily went again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7260.885, "end": 7262.765, "text": "Can I borrow your slide number seven, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7263.205, "end": 7263.585, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7271.525, "end": 7278.945, "text": "So these two combined lots are along Fifth Avenue and also very close distance to Kur Tower Trail." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7279.805, "end": 7283.685, "text": "Currently, our West Airborne communities, sorry," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7284.045, "end": 7301.145, "text": "Ready Communities Local Airplane define the Fifth Avenue as the high activity road. That's why those lots along Fifth Avenue are defined as a neighborhood collector with a building scale of up to four stories." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7301.625, "end": 7308.745, "text": "The current proposal six four grade oriented housing for a maximum of three stories." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7308.925, "end": 7419.465, "text": "The lot is close to multiple public transit. It's also close to many amenities. So it can help achieve city's goal through the Look Air Plan to encourage pedestrian friendly and improve access to amenities and services for residential housing. So that's why we put this proposal forward. During our engagement, we we just hear concerns for such as parking, garbage collection, the access to the site, so and then the landscaping, tree protection, stuff like that. So that's why we filed a concurrent DP application. It's just to start the conversation for although today is just for land use, most of the concerns we hear are from the community and from the neighbors are with regard to the DP perspective. That's why we want to file a concurrent DP application to provide people with a clear picture of what we can do on this side. And also throughout the process, some issues will be focused on, such as, you know, we can do uh malok beans instead of uh gapage beans, uh, instead of uh the three-story, third story, the balcony, we can add a screening, uh, and also we can do enchance landscaping features, stuff like that. So I would say the engagement will continue uh at DP stage. And uh from the planning perspective, this proposal fully aligns with our local plan. And uh the building scale is actually less than what we set here. So I hope counselors can support this. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7420.965, "end": 7423.325, "text": "Thank you. Any questions for the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7425.445, "end": 7426.565, "text": "Councillor Pentazoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7426.985, "end": 7427.745, "text": "Thanks so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7428.205, "end": 7430.145, "text": "Or sorry, Councillor Deliwell. You're in the Cube." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7431.485, "end": 7453.105, "text": "Just one question and quickly if you can answer. Um our RCG uh seven units um with secondary suite seven and seven. This is giving you that extra two units, one secondary. Was that only uh like and give you extra height? I just want to understand what m why you decided to go with uh each go just to gain that extra unit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7453.265, "end": 7458.605, "text": "Yeah, that's a great question. Through the chair to Councillor Dalyville, that's a great question. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7458.925, "end": 7464.445, "text": "Majority of the time when we go to when we try to go from RCG to H go, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7465.085, "end": 7552.325, "text": "Is um sometime I would say majority of time is because the consideration for flexibility HGO can provide. RCG as for the zoning, it was uh passed a long time ago. There's some inherent problem with that specific zoning. Uh so edge go with the new zoning, it has a lot of flexibility in terms of uh uh not only the number of units, but also the configuration of the unit, the configuration of the mandate space, and then where we can provide access for each unit that can be uh you know community friendly, pedestrian friendly. Those are the those are the kind of things that in consideration. And then as I said, uh during the DP review process, uh we are open for all kinds of discussions, it's uh not only for the garbage collection, not only for the landscaping, but also for the number of units. We are open for uh many discussions for creative ideas for what can be uh what can be done on this side uh responsibly and also um you know with the best interest of the uh community um and also the neighbors at hand. Same time we also want to advance to our best ability what our local airplane says. So um that's kind of the balance we are trying to achieve. Um but you know, uh at the later discussion, we're definitely open to all kinds of ideas, not only in the number unit, but also the lot configuration, but also amenities, but also the uh the gap collection, stuff like that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7552.465, "end": 7554.085, "text": "So your DP is co current." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7554.465, "end": 7588.205, "text": "Uh it's not uh it's not a concurrent application. We just provide the DP to provide picture people a clear picture of what we can do on site. Because when we deal with the land use, people's concerns uh uh from the planning perspective, they say, hey, this is the planning policy, what it says. But actually the comments, 90% of the comments are DP related. So that's why we put what we want to put that forward for every project we are doing. Um, but we are, you know, we are we just consider that as open the gate for the further discussion." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7588.585, "end": 7601.085, "text": "Yeah, no, that's great. And and good to hear that you want to involve the community. Um it's great, but the only problem is RCG gave them the flexibility because it was discretionary, this is permitted." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7601.185, "end": 7641.565, "text": "Sorry, if you don't mind, I would say for uh edge co uh yeah it uh shows as permitted use uh but 99% of the time when we apply for multifamily, it has it will be in uh the discretionary category because the permitted part is very, very narrow. As long as uh you know, as long as you have one thing that passes the bylaw requirement, for example, the hard surface and the soft surface, soft landscaping and hard landscaping, there's a very uh tiny balance we need to achieve in order to get to the permit category, and it's almost impossible to actually get to permit. So most of these are actually in the discretion used category." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 7641.565, "end": 7653.625, "text": "Yeah, no, thank you. And and uh like you could go out and build seven and seven. So nobody can stop you, but I'm very encouraged that you're at least willing to work with the community, understand their concerns, their DP ones. So thank you for that. That's it for me, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7653.865, "end": 7654.125, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 7655.165, "end": 7656.625, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Pantozopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7656.625, "end": 7672.845, "text": "Thanks so much. And I'm pleased, Councillor Dollywalls ended on engagement and I'll pick that up. I I didn't I bit my tongue on the first application, bit my tongue on the second and the third, it's bleeding." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7673.405, "end": 7680.205, "text": "When you say things like some people also express concerns over property, value, and crime. And that's exactly what you did in the prior in the prior." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7680.845, "end": 7685.425, "text": "And I hear lots of good things about engagement and j just just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7685.885, "end": 7694.045, "text": "Give me confirmation, dates, times, when you talk to the community. It's a copy and paste. And a month ago you said, Oh, it was just a mistake of my team. I'm gonna do better." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7694.385, "end": 7697.305, "text": "And and all we have is this, and it's just a copy and paste." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7697.765, "end": 7699.005, "text": "Um, why" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7699.445, "end": 7716.265, "text": "help me understand why this is proper engagement? You actually do this engagement. I have no ability to recourse, but I just need to go when I see all the applications today that you're bringing forward, separate entities, completely separate, and that actually gives me more moments' pause. If it was the same, I get it, but now you've got different, completely different areas of the community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7717.965, "end": 7726.885, "text": "Just walk me through that, the the exact same and and you know, can you give me some supporting how you did it? June to August, the community association sent back concerns about traffic and things." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7727.705, "end": 7729.165, "text": "Just just yeah, if you could. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7729.165, "end": 7742.005, "text": "Through the chair to Council. Um I thought we we for those uh for today's all those items we submitted uh all updated uh engagement uh summary through the uh channel. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7743.565, "end": 7757.045, "text": "Um but I I need to go back to all with my team, but uh I I I I definitely give instruction to my team to uh update it all the public uh uh in summary and then provide it to the city clerk. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7757.425, "end": 7852.185, "text": "Um, but uh to back to your question, you know, for like for every project, so we always have people on the ground because we are not only a consulting company, we are also a survey company. So we have survey crews on site. Their job is not only doing the physical survey of the site, but also doing the survey of the people in the area. So they go talk with the people and then they gather some comments. And then some some of the comments are common, not just for our summary, like the comments for uh the traffic, the density, the height, the privacy, the shadowing, people talk about the uh property value. Those are the almost always the common comments. And even for every project, when we see the summary, you see those uh concerns there. So that's why initially we have that uh template that we use uh when we submit it. Uh so but later at the uh planning commission stage and also the uh public hearing stage, we usually, I mean, right now I instruct my team to always update and submit to the city clerk. And as you can see from the other files, definitely they should have an updated uh uh summary, uh the outreach summary there. And especially for this project, uh yeah, we we did all that and we we did hear all the concerns, and that's why we filed the DP. That's why we we want to start a conversation for how we can make the DP plan better and stuff like that. But if there's the oversight, I will um personally you know uh apologize for that. In the future, I will also um personally make sure it was received and uh not only submitted, but also received by CD Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7852.405, "end": 7879.065, "text": "My my caution is that was the same in in November and December. You know, person take care, and now we come back and there's three. So maybe specifically speak to the community association. Your engagement specifically, what was concerned, what was addressed from the June 16th submission to the August 12th Community Association response, what you've done since, just specific to this, not in general, this specific who did you speak to and what did you address and how when you came today in the six months? Did you speak to these concerns?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7879.205, "end": 7884.385, "text": "Yeah, so thanks for the question. When we come to this uh community association, what the way we do is we send" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7884.385, "end": 7886.005, "text": "The community association name? I uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7886.005, "end": 7966.625, "text": "It's the West Hillhurst Community Association. So they have a planning, they have a person in charge of the planning. So we usually send emails to the community association and then introduce the bot project and ask for whether we can attend their planning meeting, whether it's possible. And then after that, there will be a follow-up to see if we didn't get any response. There will be a follow-up email to the Ecommunity Association. And then once we get confirmation, we will go attend their planning meeting to hear the concerns. And then for this specific project, there are concerns for the different definition of the public transit. There are concerns for the um for the uh infrastructure in the area where they can support this. And there are concerns for even for the color of the siding, there are concerns for the material use for the siding, stuff like that. So like I said, for those today I have four projects. But I like I said, uh there's there's also a step of confirmation of receiving. So um yeah, so that's uh what I can say for this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7966.905, "end": 7976.885, "text": "the consumer enguse me, consumer. Uh community engagement on June twelfth. What discussions informed the pre preparation of this particular community outreach for planning development application led?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7978.425, "end": 7982.125, "text": "Did that include a community association engagement? Do you remember the dates and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7983.025, "end": 7983.405, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 7984.105, "end": 7989.405, "text": "sorry, um so the chair to Councillor. I I don't remember the date um right now, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 7990.505, "end": 7999.405, "text": "But back to that, can you speak to do you remember recall was it uh engagement before the June 12th date or after? Do you just recall around" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8000.305, "end": 8005.245, "text": "like what engagement happened to formulate that uh copy and paste of the competing engagement?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8005.565, "end": 8099.645, "text": "Okay, so um so specifically for the community, like I said, uh uh initially when we file the application, there will be an email, contact the community association, and then later, if we didn't hear back within a week, we'll do a follow-up. And then uh before the planning commission meeting, we usually have another follow-up with the community association. And then after planning committee meeting, we we do another follow-up uh to ask the uh whether there are any specific concerns. I know for this one, after we talk with the community association, we filed the demand permit uh because the community association wants to see a concurrent application. Um not concurrent, they want to see exactly what we can do here. So that's what we what we did. And after we filed that, there are some very specific concerns with regard to different design elements of that DP, which we also heard that, and we are working to revise the DP to uh deal with all those concerns. So um I don't remember, although I don't remember the exact date, but we did all those work. Um I just uh when we when we come to put it into the announced paperwork, I think uh that's part of where lacking. I I want to say uh uh I want to say uh you know uh for all those uh for those uh items, uh we definitely have uh um uh you know probably three of them already submitted with updated, but probably not this one. But I will need to go back and look at it. But after I, you know, your your comments last time, we definitely we definitely made some changes over our procedure, and then definitely we need to continue to do um a better job." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8100.285, "end": 8101.965, "text": "I appreciate that. Thank you so much, Mr. Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8103.425, "end": 8104.685, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 8106.845, "end": 8121.225, "text": "Uh sorry, so is that DP it's submitted currently and working its way? It wasn't a concurrent DP with this application, but since this land use was submitted, you have since submitted a DP on the site?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 8121.785, "end": 8164.325, "text": "Yes, so the chair to consider anything. Yes, for every of our projects, we always uh try our best to deal with concerns from uh the local residents and community. Uh what we hear quite often are DP related, so we will submit the DP after we file the rezoning. But uh it's really hard to make it concurrent. Um so we we we file the DP. We are uh expecting comments from not only the community association, but those of the neighbors. So there will be a lot of coming back and forth, back and forth. So to make it concurrent, that will affect both timelines. So right now the DP is already being submitted, and we are in the process of working with the local resident community in uh revising some of the delay element." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 8164.605, "end": 8175.545, "text": "Okay. So the DP is currently like in the city administration system working its way or doing the revisions with the community, but yeah, it's not concurrent with this application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 8175.845, "end": 8176.945, "text": "Correct. Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 8178.065, "end": 8178.805, "text": "Um yeah," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 8180.725, "end": 8182.525, "text": "I think that answers all my questions. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8183.825, "end": 8185.945, "text": "Thank you. Anyone else uh for the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8189.225, "end": 8194.545, "text": "All right, seeing none, we will continue with the public hearing. I think uh we have our a couple registered speakers." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8194.765, "end": 8196.685, "text": "Next up is uh Karen Smith." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8196.985, "end": 8197.965, "text": "Do we have you with us, Karen?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8201.545, "end": 8202.965, "text": "Thanks so much for your patience with us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8213.765, "end": 8220.985, "text": "Good morning, Mayor and Council. My name is Karen Smith, and I oppose the proposed land use change" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8221.125, "end": 8227.665, "text": "LOC 2025-0132 submitted in June" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8227.925, "end": 8228.965, "text": "2025." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8229.565, "end": 8253.785, "text": "In the applicant's submission dated June 23, 2025, it references the municipal development plan that calls for a modest intensification of the inner city. I do not believe that the proposed development is in keeping with the policy of the NDP of the MDP, as there is nothing modest about it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8254.245, "end": 8258.145, "text": "This development wants to go from two lots that are mid-block" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8258.425, "end": 8263.605, "text": "with one single detached house on each lot to 16 units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8264.625, "end": 8265.605, "text": "Row house," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8265.805, "end": 8272.825, "text": "one building, four units, a town house, one building four units, secondary suites of eight units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8273.265, "end": 8277.565, "text": "And accessory residual building and garage for four cars." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8278.145, "end": 8282.805, "text": "My concerns are about the mid block extensive proposed development," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8283.065, "end": 8285.285, "text": "the lack of associated parking," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8285.605, "end": 8288.385, "text": "shadowing from the three story developments," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8288.705, "end": 8293.445, "text": "the stress on the old inner city infrastructure in the neighborhood," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8293.865, "end": 8296.145, "text": "and the loss of mature trees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8297.505, "end": 8311.565, "text": "This will be the only mid-block development on the Fifth Avenue Northwest. All of the other developments on Fifth Avenue have been on corner lots with townhouses only, not townhouses and row housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8312.125, "end": 8331.825, "text": "Corner lots allow for parking on the street side beside the new townhouses and the six to eight car garages usually provided. However, with no easy access to 23rd Street for parking, Fifth Avenue will be used for parking potentially 12 cars." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8332.505, "end": 8351.825, "text": "Fifth Avenue is also a snow route and a designated bicycle route, so more cars parking on Fifth Avenue in winter will make snow removal more difficult and in warmer weather create a potential for more accidents evolving bicycles on the Share the Road, Fifth Avenue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8352.885, "end": 8359.605, "text": "Additional cars parking on Fifth Avenue also pose safety concerns with the increased traffic." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8360.085, "end": 8367.725, "text": "The Grand Trunk Park and Playground is in the next block, and there are lots of children coming and going from the park." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8368.825, "end": 8388.325, "text": "Three-story townhouses and row housing will dwarf my house, blocking morning light. And the three mature maple trees and a mountain ash tree on the two lots will be bulldozed down. I can't see where there is any room for new trees to be planted on the proposed site plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8389.625, "end": 8392.005, "text": "West Hillhurst is an old neighborhood," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8392.265, "end": 8393.285, "text": "and the water in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8393.765, "end": 8397.025, "text": "Water and sewer infrastructure is old." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8397.365, "end": 8399.305, "text": "It was not designated for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8400.265, "end": 8408.345, "text": "intense density proposed. Going from two units to 16 units will put added strain on the existing pipes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8408.985, "end": 8413.265, "text": "I was prepared for future developments on the northeast corner lot" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8413.685, "end": 8418.885, "text": "along the 23rd Street and Fifth Avenue Northwest, which will happen soon." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8419.345, "end": 8433.005, "text": "As I was approached by a real estate agent who had purchased that corner lot recently. But I was completely surprised by the extensive proposed mid-block development when the sign went up last June." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8433.305, "end": 8437.025, "text": "It is unprecedented for good reasons, I believe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8437.585, "end": 8438.125, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8440.685, "end": 8444.825, "text": "Thank you, uh Ms. Smith. Uh are there any questions uh for the speaker?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8448.985, "end": 8449.725, "text": "Councillor Atkinson?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 8451.485, "end": 8458.045, "text": "Sorry, you just uh spoke to Impact's um where whereabouts are you located compared to the site?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8458.565, "end": 8461.085, "text": "I'm next door to the two developments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 8461.685, "end": 8463.945, "text": "Um to uh on in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8463.985, "end": 8466.185, "text": "I'm just to the west." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 8466.765, "end": 8468.585, "text": "on the west side on Fifth Avenue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8468.625, "end": 8469.125, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 8469.305, "end": 8469.685, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 8471.145, "end": 8472.185, "text": "Great, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8472.445, "end": 8475.485, "text": "And I was never approached when this was." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8478.045, "end": 8481.805, "text": "I only knew about it because of the sign that went up next door." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 8482.005, "end": 8484.085, "text": "There was no engagement process as" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8484.245, "end": 8486.445, "text": "No, not by person or mail." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8490.725, "end": 8493.385, "text": "Thank you, uh Ms. Smith. Uh Councillor Pentisopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8493.625, "end": 8512.045, "text": "Ms. Smith, thank you so much for coming down to Delsby really quick. I really appreciate you coming down and presenting, particularly that you live uh literally adjacent to it. So I'll just ask again so the the applicant said cards were put, uh delivered, door knocking in the neighborhood. You just said that you received none of this, so there was no engagement. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8512.565, "end": 8519.185, "text": "Do you know of any of your your neighbors? And I'm not just just speaking, was there a conversation when you went one door to the left? Or was there any" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8519.185, "end": 8527.425, "text": "Just in the back alley talking to neighbors who were surprised and were not pleased with the development that will happen." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8527.945, "end": 8533.665, "text": "D you get a sense was there an engagement there? Did they speak to that? And again, I'm just I know it's just your your your opinion, but uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8534.125, "end": 8537.125, "text": "No, I don't believe so, but I don't know for sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8537.965, "end": 8556.885, "text": "Absolutely. Um if you had a chance to engage, and I know you just thank you so much for your presentation and and your heartfelt comments, you you you know, what else? What would you have seen as being a reasonable, what would you have said, you know, look, as somebody that's lived in the neighborhood, what's something that's sensible and and makes a lot of sense had you had the opportunity to engage uh with your neighbor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8557.865, "end": 8559.105, "text": "I think given what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8560.005, "end": 8563.785, "text": "has happened and I know it is a neighborhood connector," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8564.405, "end": 8571.125, "text": "um, I think just like townhouses, not townhouses, row house and a garage where everything" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8571.405, "end": 8579.405, "text": "When you look at the site plan there's no real open area, it's all buildings and they're all three story except for the garage." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8580.885, "end": 8588.025, "text": "Have you had a chance to look at the development permit? Were you able to get online or through a neighbor or colleague to r sort of review what's uh on on the system yet?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_02", "start": 8588.945, "end": 8589.425, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 8589.545, "end": 8592.225, "text": "That's no problem. Look, thank you so much for coming. Really appreciate your time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8593.625, "end": 8597.125, "text": "Thank you, Councillor. We'll now continue with the uh public hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8597.525, "end": 8600.125, "text": "Do we have uh Ryan Finney on the line with us?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8601.405, "end": 8603.025, "text": "Um yes you do. Can you hear me?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8603.245, "end": 8606.045, "text": "We can uh off to you, Ryan. We got five minutes with you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8607.245, "end": 8620.245, "text": "Okay, perfect. Um one, I'll just reiterate again on that public uh consultation stuff. Definitely the only reason we know it kind of happened is because there's surveyors that kind of showed up at our house, and my wife texts me there's kind of people in the yard." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8620.625, "end": 8631.325, "text": "So in terms of engagement, I'd say it's probably at the absolute minimum there probably should be. Um I don't know if do you guys have the um PDF that I sent in for review?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8632.105, "end": 8632.945, "text": "We do have a look at." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8632.945, "end": 8633.305, "text": "Screen here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8634.445, "end": 8642.565, "text": "Okay, so perfect, because just uh the live screen's a little bit far behind. So there's the one snapshot of the actual DP plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8643.485, "end": 8659.225, "text": "Um and I kind of have it marked up with their HGO inputs in there. Um so you guys have heard this stuff a million times before. Uh basically with the 16 units, like I just don't see how that fits within the current dwelling, mostly because it's not a corner lot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8659.625, "end": 8666.385, "text": "Um, there isn't enough street parking to accommodate the additional units with the basement suites and their garages." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8666.985, "end": 8685.465, "text": "Um, the garbage disposal side as well, the waste removal actually impedes your parking as well because in order for those things to get removed according to the current bylaws for the waste removal for distances from bin to bin, like that's gonna take up two to four, two to three parking spaces every single" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8685.785, "end": 8694.225, "text": "two times a week as well. So I just don't see enough infrastructure being added to the proposed um HGO." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8694.445, "end": 8699.605, "text": "It's just I just don't see these lots are not really large enough to accommodate this kind of item." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8699.985, "end": 8719.065, "text": "As well as things like that second row unit where it's just gonna guarantee take away the sun away from the offsetting neighbors where it's just don't see it necessary. One, just you can't accommodate the basic needs in the first place, and then it just kind of just it does impede all offsetting properties as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8719.645, "end": 8724.785, "text": "And the last one again is they're kind of mentioning the tree items there where there's definitely" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8725.285, "end": 8745.385, "text": "In the current DP plan, there's kind of minimal inputs on what trees are being infected. So I kind of highlighted in red in terms of what areas are expected to be removed. Mostly one, there's you know an adjacent tree line along the properties that is kind of not really noted in the DP plan either" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8745.745, "end": 8749.785, "text": "for actual what's going to be removed on what they're planning to do." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8750.265, "end": 8761.565, "text": "So there's just a few, all the other items behind there are just kind of confirmations of that overview, the snapshots of the property lines and tree canopy removals and parking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8761.745, "end": 8780.725, "text": "Um I did put a slide at the bottom of like proposed fixes or just something, because obviously we're not opposed to development, but more or less just uh the inner the non corner lot with the 16 units just doesn't seem like it's is they're providing enough infrastructure to accommodate the 16 units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8782.205, "end": 8783.185, "text": "That's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8783.625, "end": 8784.565, "text": "Short and sweet" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 8785.105, "end": 8787.965, "text": "what I have there to kind of get through it and hopefully not over time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8788.665, "end": 8793.525, "text": "No, you're good. Thank you so much, Mr. Finney. Do we have any questions from members of council?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8796.385, "end": 8799.185, "text": "Great. Seeing none, please stay in the line just in case." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8800.405, "end": 8803.425, "text": "We are lastly to Brayden Kimoff. Do we have you?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8807.165, "end": 8808.525, "text": "Braden, are you on the line with us?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 8809.265, "end": 8810.465, "text": "Oh, you're in person. Perfect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8818.785, "end": 8824.665, "text": "Good morning, your worship and council. Um I wanted to bring this proposal to your uh um attention because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8825.405, "end": 8873.505, "text": "As you heard from our neighbors, we have a lot of concerns about this. The biggest thing is that the lack of transparency and community notification have a big been a big concern. Even though the applicants' community outreach dated to June 25, 25, claims that they've reached out to local residents within 100 meter radius by delivering postcards and knocking. When I spoke to our neighbors, they were unaware of this development, and that was a common theme within our neighborhood. No one had really any insight into this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8874.385, "end": 8904.445, "text": "So, with this, we have a lot of concerns with the amount of communication. The upsoning to HGO would remove the community's ability also to comment on this project, which allowed a contextual development permit application. It's unfair to the surrounding properties that are directly impacted by the increasing density to the upsone HDO. And we'd be un would be able to forego considerations for surrounding properties that would be factored in discretionary use permits under RCB zoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8904.905, "end": 8908.825, "text": "All the considerations, properties that would be factored in discretionary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8910.265, "end": 8916.165, "text": "Account for discretionary use development permits under RCG zoning, such as" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8917.025, "end": 8935.025, "text": "the location, complexity, access, parking, and are very important for what I feel for this consideration here. The other thing too is within we mentioned this morning, traffic risks have been a big consideration. Right now, I cycle to work, I use that street quite often." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8935.865, "end": 8984.625, "text": "When you add more cars on the street as a cyclist, it becomes a lot more dangerous. And the other concern too is that there's a lot of families that live in the area. You constantly see children and pedestrians going to the park nearby, and just adding more vehicles, adding more people will cause concerns. The other thing too is that we already have a lot of concerns with speeding in the area. Just this summer, it's quite common that motorcycles come off Crow Trail Trail and they come flying down that road. We've had many times within our cameras outside of our house, we've caught situations that have been happening there. And just by adding more and more density to this, it's going to cause issues within the safety of the area. The other thing, too, is that this was brought up within the West Hill Hurst Community Association." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8984.945, "end": 8995.485, "text": "With HDO, there's a lot of rental focus that comes in. And with that, there's a lot of safety and security concerns that have been brought up. And this has been developed with other properties as well, too." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 8996.185, "end": 9001.385, "text": "We're also concerned that this build would form and encourage short-term rentals such as Airbnb," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9001.945, "end": 9004.985, "text": "and we're worried about the safety issues that that would cause there too." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9006.085, "end": 9016.525, "text": "The other thing, too, is within the current RCA, sorry, the RCG zoning, Roho House is already possible under it, always discretionary use, which allows community input." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9017.245, "end": 9021.445, "text": "So we feel like with this right now," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9022.125, "end": 9027.165, "text": "it would work well. HDO is completely unnecessary and excessive, and it's just a way that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9027.625, "end": 9061.205, "text": "It's trying to fit as many spaces as possible within without the regard to the community. And with what I've heard from my neighbors and speaking to them, that's how we feel as well. We understand that development needs to happen, but we want it to be done within reason and we want it to be done with the respect of the community and the people around there. The current houses that are right next to it, they're not very big places, but if you put this monstrosity next to it that overshadows them, it's really going to change the character of the neighborhood and affect the housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9063.985, "end": 9067.645, "text": "Thank you so much for being with us. Any questions from council members?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9068.805, "end": 9069.525, "text": "Councillor Daly, well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9070.125, "end": 9079.545, "text": "Thank you, uh Mayor. Thank you for your presentation. Um couple things. Uh uh you said you guys are not you personally not uh uh not against RCG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9081.005, "end": 9083.405, "text": "So I'm okay with um the current zoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9083.605, "end": 9084.145, "text": "Okay, so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9084.145, "end": 9088.205, "text": "I think the current zoning works in favor we don't need to change anything." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9088.205, "end": 9088.445, "text": "now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9088.445, "end": 9090.445, "text": "And it's important that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9091.645, "end": 9097.405, "text": "we have discretionary use, so we're allowed to provide input and comment on it because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9097.785, "end": 9121.745, "text": "West Hillhurst is a community that has a lot of new homes, a lot of old homes, has a lot of character, but we want to make sure that we're not building something because I've seen a lot of what's been built around there. And with these kind of complexes, they don't necessarily capture the essence of the neighborhood, and they're done in a way that it's profit over any aesthetics as well, too." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_05", "start": 9122.445, "end": 9146.905, "text": "Other question I think I picked up, you said the comps wasn't there. Um so you were hoping that the the applicant provide more rationale, switch from RCG to HCO, more conversation, because uh definitely if it states RCG, this is discretionary uh use, you will get input at the DP stage, but you were hoping at the uh land use to have that conversation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9147.225, "end": 9156.405, "text": "Yeah. Another thing too, it was mentioned, I forgot to bring it up as well, too, is that with parking, um, with the way that the street is and where it is in the middle," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9157.045, "end": 9164.405, "text": "it's very important that that's a big consideration because within our alley, it's so narrow. You can" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9165.125, "end": 9189.645, "text": "If you have one car going through there and someone's leaving, you have to back in and not everyone's able to move at the same time. So to have parking in the back, it's just not going to be economical because already, like, if you're leaving in the morning and someone else is leaving, you can't really factor that in there. So we just want to make sure that our concerns are voiced and this is being developed in a way that benefits everyone." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9189.925, "end": 9207.445, "text": "And I believe that everyone deserves affordable housing, and that's a consideration of Calgary. But we also need to respect the people that are living there and make sure that their concerns are brought in there. And we've already seen with how things are going right now is that with our last election," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9207.725, "end": 9227.045, "text": "blanket rezoning was a big concern, and the big concern is that citizens don't have the opinion that they have a voice. So we just want to make sure that if this is going through, we have the ability to have our voice brought up, that our concerns are being there, that people are being notified, and that we're just doing things in the best interest of all Calgarians." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9227.505, "end": 9229.205, "text": "Okay. No, that's great. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9230.545, "end": 9232.525, "text": "That's it from the mayor. Thank you, Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 9233.425, "end": 9247.945, "text": "Uh thank you, Mr. Kamel. This is a I hesitated asking this question, but uh because it kind of casts back. I'm just curious, did you have an opportunity or did you participate in the local area plan process when it happened here in West Hill First?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9248.445, "end": 9260.765, "text": "No, I actually so I've only been in our house for about a year now. I came from Marteloupe and I wasn't part of that process. But I've seen that community and I've seen West Hillhurst, and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_14", "start": 9261.525, "end": 9272.425, "text": "one of the reasons I moved away from our loop was because of how that was developed. It became a completely different neighborhood than what I grew up in. So that was my concerns there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 9272.425, "end": 9277.025, "text": "Thank you. I appreciate that. Uh and your worship, are are are we paneling with Mr. Finney currently?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9278.145, "end": 9285.565, "text": "Uh we told him to stay on the line. So if Mr. Finney, if you're still there, I'll allow questions from council members, including you, Councillor Grove." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 9287.645, "end": 9299.265, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Finney. I just wanted to ask you the same question in terms of the local area plan process when that happened in West Hill First. Were you uh did you participate in that? Were you aware of it? Were you were you able to participate, et cetera?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 9300.265, "end": 9320.545, "text": "Um I was aware was referred the dates and time frames was not available to kind of attend and submit. Um but from that local area plan side, like I do agree with the improvements and changes, but also like looking at those items, it's not like um my two cents is when it's a local area plan, it's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 9320.845, "end": 9338.745, "text": "That should almost be all done at once, kind of thing. Like when so when you have these apartment buildings inside houses, like it's almost like kind of has to be more of a group-led effort. So the development side to me on the approved local area plan is actually the important part, not necessarily the original plan in place." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 9339.965, "end": 9359.845, "text": "Uh thank you very much. I appreciate that. And then the reason why I hesitated asking either of you this question is because I don't want to uh it to be in my question to be interpreted as casting that if you didn't participate, that's bad or anything along that. That that's not my intention here. I just wanted to get a little bit more information on my side, uh if you if you guys were aware. So thank you very much, worship. I appreciate the questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 9360.245, "end": 9367.085, "text": "That was definitely me who caught the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 9367.545, "end": 9379.265, "text": "um telling everyone that there's development going up because the whatever, the HGO redesignation was on the website for about a month, maybe five weeks prior to the signs going up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_36", "start": 9379.745, "end": 9381.665, "text": "Just kind of just reiterating that one again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9385.065, "end": 9386.485, "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9387.085, "end": 9393.265, "text": "With that, is there anyone else uh here in in the chamber or on the line to speak to this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9396.005, "end": 9402.005, "text": "All right, seeing none, we will uh close the public hearing uh with your consent, Councillor. Are you okay with us finishing this item before the lunch break?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9403.925, "end": 9406.725, "text": "Seeing uh no opposition, that has uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9406.945, "end": 9410.865, "text": "Is that a is that carried or is that just general consent, or do we kill general consent?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 9410.865, "end": 9413.545, "text": "That is unanimous consent and you can proceed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9413.545, "end": 9415.885, "text": "All right, we have unanimous consent and we can proceed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9416.265, "end": 9417.605, "text": "Uh Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 9422.725, "end": 9424.505, "text": "wrong button. There we go. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 9424.885, "end": 9429.165, "text": "a question of administration about the difference between um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 9430.045, "end": 9433.625, "text": "HGO and RCG and what" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 9434.065, "end": 9438.005, "text": "All right, HGO allows that RCG zoning does not." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 9439.185, "end": 9482.725, "text": "Through the chair to Councillor Atkinson, thank you. So RCG limits development by units per hectare. So in this case, based on the parcel area combined of the two parcels that we're speaking of right now, a maximum of 75 units per hectare would allow for seven units plus seven suites if required. So another difference is that row houses and townhouses, the built form that is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 9483.305, "end": 9566.825, "text": "Shown on the DP, not necessarily what may or may not be approved though, those would fall under the uses of row house building and townhouse, which are both discretionary uses in RCG, which then opens it up for more engagement, more community involvement, the opportunity to appeal in a dis or decision, etc. In the HGO district, dwelling unit, which is the listed use for residential units. There is no row house building or townhouse in HGO. Dwelling unit is a permitted use. So in that case, if you develop a building that meets all of the rules within the HGO district, it's permitted. So that limits then the appeal or the opportunity for appeal, et cetera. However, you then have to meet every single rule in the HGO district. So that means you may not necessarily get as many units as you wanted based on parking requirements per suite and per unit setbacks, landscaping, amenity requirements. So that's why density, I guess, in a way, the built form is determined by the FAR. So as for the amount of suites you could get, that is really, really determined by if you can meet the rest of those rules. And you can also seek a relaxation in the HGO district. But then again, now you've opened it up to that wider community involvement, bigger conversations with the neighbors, and the opportunity for appeal." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 9567.325, "end": 9567.605, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 9568.465, "end": 9569.965, "text": "Thank you. I'll open with that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9571.365, "end": 9574.185, "text": "All right, that's been opened. Uh seconded by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9576.205, "end": 9578.185, "text": "Councillor Schmidt. Or sorry, Councillor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9578.565, "end": 9583.085, "text": "Councillor Schmidt does not have nearly as good a mustache as you, Councillor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9583.645, "end": 9585.125, "text": "All right, that's on the floor. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9586.165, "end": 9589.185, "text": "uh any uh further debate or questions, uh Council?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9593.045, "end": 9595.385, "text": "All right, seeing none, over to Councillor Atkinson to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 9597.705, "end": 9598.325, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 9600.425, "end": 9656.165, "text": "This is an interesting one, and that um yeah, in some ways the um the local area planning process sort of says that this can go here. We've talked about the issues with I think mid-block development and sort of the the density coming in. To be honest, and I want to make sure that community understands this. I am not opposed to density and actually, to be honest, even further density and densification in this area. It is the mid-block nature of this parcel. Uh, if it was ganged up with the corner and you can bring uh more density onto that site and having it next to the park, uh along a bikeway connected to transit, I am in support of that higher level of density coming in along this corridor. In the current application and the way that um it has gone towards this sort of H go, I see a concerning sort of way in which" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 9656.865, "end": 9663.125, "text": "this goes in terms of like the number of units. Uh if we're not looking at um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 9664.605, "end": 9731.405, "text": "At sort of keeping the number of units under control and moving towards just increasing the amount of units, is this the right place to just be building uh the maximum number of sort of single uh capacity dwelling units? I I I don't know that I can necessarily support that. I also want to speak to uh Councillor Pantozopoulos' um piece on engagement. I think um what I've heard and what we saw here uh is that there was not engagement. I I have light expectations around engagement. I understand that community is going to be upset around changes to the neighborhood, uh, but I also have expectations that community members are notified. Uh, and to be honest, I did not find the uh answers from uh the applicant to sort of speak to being able to answer those questions to a satisfactory uh nature. And so at this time, I will not be supporting uh the development going forward uh in this way." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9734.185, "end": 9745.725, "text": "Thanks. If if I may just clarify, just as chair, Councillor, you you moved the item here, but you are supporting the actual item itself. Just I I'm usually not gonna editorialize for close, but I just want to clarify." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 9745.725, "end": 9745.965, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 9747.785, "end": 9759.585, "text": "Uh yeah, so sorry, I moved it to open it up for debate to sort of hear from uh my council colleagues, but hearing none, that was I'm just letting everyone know my sort of stance on the matter. So yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9759.585, "end": 9762.245, "text": "Okay, but the uh on this item you are supporting this item or you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 9762.245, "end": 9768.705, "text": "Oh no, sorry, I am not supporting uh supportive of this land use redesignation as it's brought forward." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9768.705, "end": 9769.285, "text": "thank you, Councillor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 9769.285, "end": 9769.605, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9771.245, "end": 9773.865, "text": "All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's uh engage the evote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 9791.945, "end": 9795.165, "text": "Councillor Shabot, your vote, please, thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9796.105, "end": 9796.665, "text": "Uh yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 9799.285, "end": 9800.565, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9801.445, "end": 9803.045, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9807.865, "end": 9814.685, "text": "On this motion, the motion has been defeated, 2 to 13, uh, with only myself and Councillor Schmidt uh in favor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 9816.265, "end": 9820.145, "text": "All right, uh with that, uh colleagues, we will be back at uh 1 20." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14639.185, "end": 14644.965, "text": "Good afternoon and welcome to our public hearing meeting of City Council. Uh Madam Clerk, please call the roll." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14645.345, "end": 14647.845, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Councillor Dolly Wall," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14649.685, "end": 14650.805, "text": "Councillor Jameson," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14651.705, "end": 14652.945, "text": "Councillor Johnston," }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 14653.105, "end": 14653.325, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14653.425, "end": 14654.385, "text": "Councillor Kelly," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D.J. Kelly", "start": 14655.325, "end": 14655.605, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14655.825, "end": 14656.745, "text": "Councillor McLean," }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 14657.665, "end": 14658.105, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14658.365, "end": 14659.785, "text": "Councillor Pentezophilos," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_46", "start": 14659.785, "end": 14661.685, "text": "Welcome to TELUS Conferencing." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14663.025, "end": 14663.765, "text": "Councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14664.605, "end": 14665.645, "text": "Councillor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14666.125, "end": 14669.965, "text": "Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14670.425, "end": 14671.585, "text": "Councillor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 14671.665, "end": 14671.925, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14671.945, "end": 14672.785, "text": "Councillor Schabo," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 14673.725, "end": 14674.025, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14674.625, "end": 14675.385, "text": "Councillor Clark," }, { "speaker": "Councillor H. Clark", "start": 14675.805, "end": 14676.145, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14676.145, "end": 14677.305, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14677.325, "end": 14677.785, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "City Clerk K. Martin", "start": 14677.865, "end": 14678.505, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14678.685, "end": 14685.105, "text": "And for the uh several people who listen to the podcast version of Calgary City Council, welcome back to January 20" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14686.165, "end": 14689.125, "text": "public hearing meeting of Council 2026. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14689.605, "end": 14696.525, "text": "with that, uh we resolved item 7.2.4. We are now on 7.2.5 Line Use Amendment in Clarney Glinker." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14697.625, "end": 14706.145, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item on the agenda is a land use redesignation application to allow for a secondary suite. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14707.565, "end": 14726.305, "text": "The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 2D 2026 for the redesignation of 2034 28th Street Southwest from a direct control or DC district to the residential grade-oriented infill or RCG district. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14727.865, "end": 14739.045, "text": "The subject site is located in the community of Killarney Glengarry on the east side of 28th Street between 19th Avenue to the north and 21st Avenue to the south. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14740.405, "end": 14749.565, "text": "The parcel is approximately 0.06 hectares in area and is developed with a semi detached dwelling and a detached garage accessed from the rear lane." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14750.065, "end": 14750.985, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14752.225, "end": 14771.525, "text": "Surrounding development consists of a mix of low density and multi residential developments. A large park and the Callarney Recreation Center facilities are located two blocks to the west, and the 17th Avenue Neighborhood Corridor is located two blocks to the north, which provides various service, commercial, and retail uses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14772.345, "end": 14791.965, "text": "The subject parcel is currently designated as a DC district from the 1990s for the purpose of accommodating low density residential development in the form of single detached and semi-detached dwellings. Secondary suites are not allowed in the DC district as they were not a listed use in the previous land use bylaw 2P80." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14792.765, "end": 14793.685, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14795.605, "end": 14808.925, "text": "The proposed RCG district allows for a variety of housing forms, including row houses and townhouses, along with secondary suites. The maximum building height is 11 meters and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14809.765, "end": 14822.285, "text": "Based on parcel area, this would allow up to four dwelling units on the subject parcel. However, the potential number of units depends on all other requirements of the district being met, including setbacks, landscaping, and parking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14822.985, "end": 14823.885, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14825.725, "end": 14835.925, "text": "The proposal is in alignment with the Westbrook Community's Local Area Plan, or LAP, which identifies the site as being within the neighborhood local urban form category." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14837.205, "end": 14843.585, "text": "This category identifies intended for a range of housing types and home based businesses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14844.445, "end": 14851.565, "text": "The LAP also identifies this site as having a limited building scale modifier, which allows up to three stories in height." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14852.345, "end": 14869.465, "text": "The limited scale policies within the neighborhood local category note that building forms containing three or more units are not supported on the subject parcel. Therefore, the applicant's intent with this proposal is only to accommodate a secondary suite within an existing dwelling unit." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14870.225, "end": 14871.185, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14872.785, "end": 14888.665, "text": "In closing, this application would allow for an appropriate residential use that provides another housing option in the community. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject parcel. Thank you, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14891.085, "end": 14899.165, "text": "Thank you so much. Uh we will go to public hearing on this matter. The uh public hearing is open. Do we have the applicant with us by chance?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14900.445, "end": 14908.125, "text": "I don't believe they were registered to speak, but uh is there anybody else who is here to speak uh in support or opposition to this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14908.525, "end": 14908.945, "text": "Or neither." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14910.285, "end": 14914.285, "text": "All right, seeing none, uh we will close the public hearing. Over to you, uh Councillor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 14915.245, "end": 14915.965, "text": "I can move it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14917.025, "end": 14921.845, "text": "All right, it's been moved, uh seconded by Councillor Kelly. Uh over to you to speak, Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 14923.365, "end": 14926.705, "text": "Uh removing a DC, I'd vote for it twice if I could." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14928.705, "end": 14929.845, "text": "Well, you get uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14930.125, "end": 14932.665, "text": "so we got three readings for a reason, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14933.945, "end": 14938.125, "text": "All right, uh Councillor Schmidt, you're closed. Uh Madam Clerk, let's please uh engage the evote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14953.325, "end": 14954.545, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14954.825, "end": 14955.125, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 14956.485, "end": 14957.225, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14957.985, "end": 14959.805, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14962.265, "end": 14965.985, "text": "That has carried 15 to 0. We will now move to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14966.585, "end": 14970.165, "text": "the readings of the bylaw 2D 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14970.585, "end": 14973.585, "text": "So first reading of bylaw 2D 2026, anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14974.345, "end": 14978.885, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 2D 2026, anyone opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14979.285, "end": 14987.625, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 2D 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14987.765, "end": 14992.845, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 2D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 14993.885, "end": 14998.885, "text": "All right, we will move to item 7.2.6, land use amendment in Altador." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 14999.665, "end": 15008.105, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item on the agenda is a land use redesignation application to enable a mixed use development. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15009.685, "end": 15036.705, "text": "The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 8D 2026 for the redesignation of 2039 and 2043 34th Avenue Southwest from the Multi-Residential Contextual Low Profile or MC1 District and the Mixed Use General or MU1 District to the Mixed Use General MU1 District covering both parcels. Next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15038.605, "end": 15055.345, "text": "The subject site is located in the community of Altador on the south side of 34th Avenue, between 19th Street to the east and 20th Street to the west. The site also falls within the plan area of the West Elbow Community's Local Area Plan, or LAP. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15057.245, "end": 15063.125, "text": "The subject site consists of two parcels with a combined area of approximately 0.14 hectares." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15063.585, "end": 15074.325, "text": "The eastern parcel is currently vacant and the western parcel is developed with a two-story multi-residential building and a four-car detached garage accessed from the rear lane." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15074.845, "end": 15075.785, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15077.345, "end": 15088.725, "text": "Surrounding development consists of a mix of residential, commercial, and community uses. There are several four to six-story mixed-use buildings within the vicinity as well as multi-residential developments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15089.365, "end": 15100.045, "text": "33rd Street is a neighborhood main street and part of the primary transit network. It offers a wide variety of multi residential housing and commercial, retail, and medical services." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15101.145, "end": 15111.565, "text": "The eastern parcel is currently designated as the MU1 district with a floor area ratio or FAR modifier of three and a maximum height of 16 meters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15112.185, "end": 15123.725, "text": "The district is intended to accommodate a mix of residential and commercial uses, either in separate buildings or in the same building, and allows either residential or commercial uses to be located at grade." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15125.005, "end": 15141.845, "text": "The western parcel is currently designated as the MC1 district, which is primarily intended for multi residential development of low height and medium density. The maximum FAR is 2.0, and the maximum building height is 14 meters. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15143.925, "end": 15156.285, "text": "This application proposes to redesignate both parcels to the MU1 district with an FAR modifier of four and a maximum building height of 24 meters, or approximately six stories." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15157.165, "end": 15158.065, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15159.805, "end": 15176.765, "text": "The subject parcel falls within the plan area of the West Albo Communities LAP. The parcel is located within the neighborhood Flex typology, which is intended for a range of uses in standalone or mixed use buildings in the more commercially oriented areas of the plan area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15177.325, "end": 15185.405, "text": "The parcel is also located within the low building scale area of the LAP, which allows for buildings of up to six stories in height." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15186.545, "end": 15187.445, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15189.165, "end": 15199.385, "text": "In closing, the proposed application would enable more housing choice and amenities in this inner city area that is served by convenient transit options and proximity to downtown." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15199.625, "end": 15208.465, "text": "As such, the Calgary Planning Commission recommends that council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the land use redesignation. Thank you, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15210.625, "end": 15214.805, "text": "Thank you. We will open up our public hearing on this item, uh, starting with the applicant." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15217.945, "end": 15220.805, "text": "Sorry, can I borrow your slide number three, please? Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15221.065, "end": 15224.645, "text": "Again, this is LeWand. I'm speaking in support of this application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15225.525, "end": 15227.985, "text": "If we can go back to slide number three." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15228.865, "end": 15230.565, "text": "So this project is uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15230.905, "end": 15232.505, "text": "next one please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15233.845, "end": 15240.225, "text": "Is many years in making. So we started with the Neighbor's Lot 2039" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15240.545, "end": 15246.625, "text": "back in 2023-2024. So we applied mixed use for that lot first." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15247.285, "end": 15266.465, "text": "And then during the public hearing for that one, the question we got asked is first of all, whether it's featherable for mixed use development for one lot. So my answer at that time that is doable, but it's going to be a little bit tough." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15266.845, "end": 15268.965, "text": "The other question we got asked is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15269.605, "end": 15285.825, "text": "whether we have made a concrete effort to try to acquire the neighbor slot to make it a more vibrant mixed use project in this location. So at that time I said we did try, but the price tag is not working." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15286.745, "end": 15294.005, "text": "So shortly after we we received the United States approval for that rezoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15294.365, "end": 15300.805, "text": "Shortly after the herring, we wakened the lot. So right now you can see the lot is waking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15301.885, "end": 15309.185, "text": "And then when the opportunity comes for the neighbor slot, we take over the neighbor slot and fire this application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15309.365, "end": 15321.105, "text": "So this application is again for mixed use development with a density and flow area that is contextually sensitive to what is already happening in the area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15321.985, "end": 15329.745, "text": "Throughout the East area, there are already some very successful mixed-use buildings" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_08", "start": 15330.305, "end": 15363.285, "text": "with some commercial element in the main floor, serving not only the units above, but also the community. So we want to continue these parts and then make it a very successful mixed use development on one side, provide a variety of commercial uh opportunities to serve the residents and also the local for the area, also at the same time provide some uh affordable housing unit. So ICCD Hope Council can support this application. Thank you. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15365.665, "end": 15368.365, "text": "Thank you. Any questions for the applicant? Council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15371.985, "end": 15376.045, "text": "Seeing none, uh thank you, Miss Thank you so much for being here, Ms. Wayne, Mr. Wayne." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15376.885, "end": 15379.125, "text": "Are there any other uh speakers for this item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15379.725, "end": 15381.125, "text": "Anyone here for this public hearing?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15382.985, "end": 15384.905, "text": "Anyone on the line with us?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15387.785, "end": 15391.005, "text": "Seeing none, we will close the uh public hearing for 7.2.6." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15391.365, "end": 15393.345, "text": "Over to Councillor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15393.665, "end": 15393.985, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15394.425, "end": 15399.445, "text": "yes, I can move the item and uh again I'll save my comments for close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15402.125, "end": 15405.345, "text": "Great. Any uh debate, questions for administration?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15406.125, "end": 15409.405, "text": "Sorry, actually I I do have uh some questions for administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15409.605, "end": 15410.165, "text": "Yeah, go for it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15410.845, "end": 15411.405, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15411.925, "end": 15418.605, "text": "so this under the West Elbow LAP this would be classified as low scale, correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15424.405, "end": 15428.825, "text": "Thank you for the question through the chair. Yes, this would be low scale, so up to six stories in height." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15429.305, "end": 15430.065, "text": "And so when" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15431.265, "end": 15432.065, "text": "when we're looking" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15433.865, "end": 15434.225, "text": "sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15434.545, "end": 15436.325, "text": "Oh, when when we're looking at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15437.565, "end": 15439.545, "text": "when LAPs are created" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15440.145, "end": 15445.505, "text": "through engagement and through um the planning department's assessment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15445.945, "end": 15448.525, "text": "of the suitability of where we place" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15449.085, "end": 15457.005, "text": "density in certain areas, um I believe ARPs have density targets for specific." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15457.445, "end": 15463.185, "text": "uh uh radiuses or or areas is that correct that ARPs included density targets?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15464.605, "end": 15477.045, "text": "Through the chair, it really depended on the ARP. I don't think there was a standard target throughout all of them, but specific to LAPs again." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_03", "start": 15477.985, "end": 15487.625, "text": "I would defer that question to Mr. Fraze. If you come up with an LAP question, he'll be able to better answer. As we're not involved with the LAP process. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15492.125, "end": 15537.925, "text": "Good afternoon, Kevin Frayes, Manager of Local Area Planning. Yeah, as Ms. Gansar indicated, ARPs range in vintage over decades, and the way we measured intensity and density and height varied through the course of those ARPs. With the new LAPs, they are enabling policy, and we've chosen to measure that by a maximum number of stories within a certain building scale. And so in this case, it's a low building scale. Given the characteristics of the area and proximity and the supportive nature of transit, the main street, all the services that are there through the course of the engagement and our assessment, it was determined that low scale was the suitable." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15538.265, "end": 15539.425, "text": "Uh category here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15539.925, "end": 15542.945, "text": "I yeah get on that point because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15543.305, "end": 15546.725, "text": "the as we've heard a lot in in in Marteloup they've" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15547.265, "end": 15550.265, "text": "gone through some growing pains with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15550.785, "end": 15553.965, "text": "the the changes to the neighborhood. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15554.465, "end": 15557.865, "text": "is there an is there an ongoing way that we measure" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15559.305, "end": 15563.925, "text": "As we see these developments come up that align with the LAP," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15564.305, "end": 15577.005, "text": "how land use changes affect the neighborhood as a whole? Is there an assessment of that that is worked into the LAP or through the process of deciding" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15578.545, "end": 15580.865, "text": "on a more ongoing basis" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15582.005, "end": 15589.645, "text": "how the designations that we've given to these parcels are working in reality versus the plan?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15590.065, "end": 15635.825, "text": "Yeah, great quack great question. Um as part of our LAP program, we do have a sustainment and monitoring team. So that team obviously has uh there hasn't been as much to monitor with the early days of the LAPs, but certainly over the course of uh of having aid in place now, we are getting to the point where we're seeing a lot more development that's been impacted by LAPs, and we will be reporting on uh the impacts uh of of what we're seeing on the ground in terms of development activity and some of the things that you've mentioned in terms of parking and such. And so we will be coming forward to council in the next few years, I would say, to deliver some of that information uh and to show the impacts that we're we're we're seeing uh and the results in terms of some of the positive outcomes that we're we're hoping for." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15637.285, "end": 15640.185, "text": "Because certainly this policy gives" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15641.085, "end": 15643.185, "text": "us at least a template to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15643.965, "end": 15657.265, "text": "help us make decisions on these types of changes, but especially in neighborhoods like Marteloup that saw an intensity of change. I think for the future, regardless of this individual application, that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15658.225, "end": 15669.225, "text": "n having some updated information about how it's been working in places like Marteloup would would help us inform." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15669.945, "end": 15672.465, "text": "these choices a little bit more. So is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15673.485, "end": 15676.105, "text": "you know thinking of Marteloup in particular, is it" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15676.985, "end": 15678.925, "text": "reasonable to say that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15680.145, "end": 15686.645, "text": "we could carve some a neighborhood like that out and say, can can we see an update about how this is working?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15687.765, "end": 15702.165, "text": "Um yeah, I mean I I um we do have a program in place. We do have metrics that we're looking at now, so if there's something specific, I think we could potentially pull that out um in time. But uh but currently we don't have anything specific to MartaLoop." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15702.425, "end": 15708.425, "text": "Okay, thank I'll I'll follow up on that. But otherwise I mean this fits with the LAP and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15708.705, "end": 15709.405, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15710.245, "end": 15713.085, "text": "I think that would be the end of my question. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_25", "start": 15713.205, "end": 15713.545, "text": "You're welcome." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15715.345, "end": 15716.545, "text": "Thank you. Anyone else on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15719.745, "end": 15721.665, "text": "Seeing none, over to you to close, Councillor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15723.685, "end": 15731.045, "text": "Well, I guess I'll be nothing if not consistent. Um despite the challenges that we faced in Marteloup, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15731.545, "end": 15732.705, "text": "w we heard that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15733.165, "end": 15735.085, "text": "the applicant" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15735.945, "end": 15739.485, "text": "uh listened to counsel and made an effort to look at" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15740.025, "end": 15743.725, "text": "making this redesignation more suitable based on acquiring" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15744.145, "end": 15748.785, "text": "another parcel to uh m make this fit better with the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15748.785, "end": 15751.005, "text": "I'm gonna stop you. We needed a seconder." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15752.125, "end": 15753.245, "text": "Second by Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15754.565, "end": 15755.025, "text": "Madam Clerk." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 15758.125, "end": 15773.005, "text": "To to again make this more suitable, they've put in the work. We have a policy that is newer, that is uh, as we heard, took into account this particular area. So for those reasons, I uh can't find a reason not to support this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15778.505, "end": 15781.405, "text": "Alrighty, uh with that, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the evote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15799.265, "end": 15800.625, "text": "Councillor Tyres, your vote please." }, { "speaker": "Councillor K. Tyers", "start": 15802.645, "end": 15803.025, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15803.245, "end": 15803.625, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15804.725, "end": 15805.865, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15806.105, "end": 15806.385, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15806.525, "end": 15806.945, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 15809.105, "end": 15809.845, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15810.125, "end": 15811.765, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15815.385, "end": 15823.385, "text": "That uh land use item in Altador Ward 8. The motion is carried 14 to 1. We will now move to the readings of the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15825.765, "end": 15828.265, "text": "Or sorry, 14 to 1, Councillor Johnston was opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15829.825, "end": 15832.605, "text": "Man, I I don't know what it is being back in this chamber." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15833.045, "end": 15833.785, "text": "Something in the air." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15834.585, "end": 15837.505, "text": "Alright, uh, we will now move to the uh readings of the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15838.245, "end": 15844.725, "text": "Uh first reading of bylaw 8D 2026, Councillor Johnston is opposed, and that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15844.945, "end": 15851.005, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 8D 2026, Councillor Johnston is opposed, and that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15851.285, "end": 15855.805, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 8D 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15856.145, "end": 15858.105, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15858.505, "end": 15862.665, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 8D 2026. Councillor Johnston is opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15863.305, "end": 15864.125, "text": "And that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15865.545, "end": 15867.905, "text": "All right. We will now move to 7.2.7." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 15869.545, "end": 15870.725, "text": "Thanks for your help today, Ms. Genser." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15873.065, "end": 15893.865, "text": "Thank you, Worship. Hello, everybody. My name is Derek Pomerenki. I'm a senior planner with the Community Planning Department, and I'll be presenting the next three applications. Item 7.2.7 is a policy amendment and a land use amendment to allow for both new construction and the addition to an existing building up to six stories total in height. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15894.845, "end": 15922.005, "text": "The recommendations before you today are to give three readings to proposed bylaw 1P 2026 to amend the Beltline Area Redevelopment Plan, and then to give three readings to proposed bylaw 5D 2026. This second bylaw will redesignate the site located at 532 and 534 17th Avenue Southwest to revise the floor area ratio and height modifiers listed on the site's existing Commercial Corridor 1 or Seacor 1 district." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15922.605, "end": 15923.485, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15924.965, "end": 15944.025, "text": "The subject site is located in the beltline along the north side of 17th Avenue Southwest, which is a neighborhood Main Street. The site is between 4th and 5th Street Southwest, which are both north south connectors between downtown and Mission. Two major retail streets, a high school and numerous city parks, are within walking distance. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15945.365, "end": 15977.925, "text": "The site currently comprises two separate parcels. The western parcel is developed with a four-story commercial office building, which has the ship and anchor pub on the ground level. The east parcel is developed with a two-story residential apartment building, which was constructed in 1948. The intent of this application is to demolish the apartment building and construct a new six story mixed use building. As well, the applicant proposes to construct two additional floors on top of the existing office building, as well as to convert some of its floor area to residential uses. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15979.365, "end": 15993.625, "text": "Surrounding land use is characterized mainly by low to mid-rise commercial and mixed-use developments along 17th Avenue. North of the site is primarily multi-residential development, with the land use districts there allowing for high-rise residential towers. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 15994.905, "end": 16018.465, "text": "This application proposes to retain the site's existing C Corps 1 designation, which is intended to allow for retail activity at grade facing a commercial street and may have other uses above the ground level. This application proposes to change the modifiers on the district, which would allow for a greater density by establishing a maximum floor area ratio of 4.0, which is an increase from the existing 3.0." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16019.285, "end": 16027.725, "text": "And this proposal would change the maximum building height to 24 meters, which is an increase from the site's existing maximum of 23 meters. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16028.705, "end": 16046.585, "text": "The subject site is restricted to three FAR in the Beltline Area Redevelopment Plan. Should council wish to support this redesignation, an amendment to the ARP would be required to allow for up to four FAR on the subject site specifically. This amendment aligns with the high level objectives of the plan. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 16047.785, "end": 16061.565, "text": "In closing, this application maintains the same general built form currently permitted on the site and accommodates slight increases in the total floor area ratio and the maximum height. Calgary Planning Commission supports the application and recommends council's approval. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16064.605, "end": 16072.045, "text": "Thank you very much. Let us open the public hearing on this item, the uh land use amendment about line ward eight. If we have the applicant with us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16072.805, "end": 16073.345, "text": "Perfect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16077.465, "end": 16080.705, "text": "Good afternoon, Mayor and members of the council. My name is Jabron." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16081.125, "end": 16085.865, "text": "I'm here on behalf of the applicant, Manuchuk Architects, to answer any questions that the council may have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16087.785, "end": 16090.345, "text": "Thank you. Uh any questions for the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16091.425, "end": 16091.985, "text": "Councillor Schmidt?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16093.485, "end": 16096.985, "text": "Uh yes, thank you. Sorry I didn't get to the chat fast enough. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16098.345, "end": 16103.465, "text": "have you can you elaborate on the public engagement that um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16104.185, "end": 16105.845, "text": "you did as part of this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16106.465, "end": 16107.545, "text": "uh application?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16108.405, "end": 16114.525, "text": "Thank you, Council, for the question. We had an engagement session with the Belchine Neighborhood Association" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16114.705, "end": 16134.365, "text": "where we presented to them the scheme of our development and took their feedback. They were supportive of the addition of density, and their main feedback was that we have to be sensitive to the design because it's the 70th Avenue. This is something we have done and kept as an important point in our application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16134.545, "end": 16141.125, "text": "And we didn't receive any uh negative uh feedback from any other uh members of the community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16143.665, "end": 16147.225, "text": "Th there was one letter of opposition that we received." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16147.225, "end": 16153.985, "text": "Uh yes, uh coming to that, we did see in the application package that the administration has received uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16154.285, "end": 16168.925, "text": "uh a letter of opposition, and this is something we have discussed with the client, and we have the representative here with us uh who would be adding to that. I would speak to the to the to the points uh within our scope." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16169.425, "end": 16183.545, "text": "Some of the concerns highlighted in that letter were that it could disrupt businesses. There are uh there would be uh pr any problems with the parking. And to that, uh, our response is that we would uh it's it's our aim to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16184.085, "end": 16206.965, "text": "To mitigate any such issues in terms of construction dust to the best possible industry standards, so we are doing the best we can. And as far as the parking is concerned, we have a consultant on board who is doing a parking study which has been shared with the city as part of the DP. And this will all be addressed throughout the DP process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16207.825, "end": 16215.125, "text": "And how did the comments from the BNA um did they have any effect on your" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16215.985, "end": 16223.225, "text": "thoughts around continuing with this land use application? Did that uh what what sort of resulted from that discussion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16223.305, "end": 16243.805, "text": "So it was received very well from them. They got a chance to look at the some of the floor plans we had at the time. That's prior to applying for the DP. And because we reiterated that we are retaining commercial uses in which is in line with the developments supposed to be on the 17th Avenue, they were very supportive of it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16244.645, "end": 16249.045, "text": "And so speaking of commercial uses, there's uh the ship and anchor is on the ground floor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16249.525, "end": 16250.285, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16251.025, "end": 16263.965, "text": "a beloved institution in this city. Uh can you speak to any effects this application would have on the continued existence of the ship and anchor?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16265.465, "end": 16268.085, "text": "We have Julie here to respond to that question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_00", "start": 16268.785, "end": 16309.985, "text": "Hi everyone, uh Julie Brash Strategic Group. Um, we are intending on maintaining full operations of the ship and anchor uh while we undergo construction. So one of the main things that we're doing in terms of design and construction is ensuring that their services are maintained intact. So our building and our new services are gonna be actually separate from them. So they will remain open. Um we have an in house property management team and leasing team, which is a benefit to this type of situation where we can have immediate lines of communication between our in-house development team, our in house construction team, and and property management and leasing. So any concerns that come up, we we all are kind of in direct communication with them. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16310.565, "end": 16317.945, "text": "Thank you. I only ask because if uh we voted on something that disrupted the ship and anchor, none of us would ever get re-elected. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16318.205, "end": 16318.665, "text": "Oh boy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 16320.165, "end": 16325.285, "text": "I will say political futures are not a planning matter that uh is before us. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16325.585, "end": 16327.105, "text": "But the odd joke is okay, right?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16327.105, "end": 16327.945, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16328.605, "end": 16330.685, "text": "Anyone else uh for the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16331.905, "end": 16332.845, "text": "Uh Councillor Atkins." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 16333.885, "end": 16359.545, "text": "I'm just it sounds very interesting the idea of sort of um doing the built form up and then over. And I just think actually like documenting this as a city that is starting to sort of recognize a need to um take down some buildings, modify buildings uh so that the city as a whole can learn from this activity uh would be uh a great public benefit. So yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 16359.905, "end": 16360.945, "text": "Just a note on that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16362.905, "end": 16365.045, "text": "Thank you. Uh anyone else for the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16366.345, "end": 16367.025, "text": "Councillor Johnson?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16368.865, "end": 16371.525, "text": "sorry, one of the concerns with uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16371.805, "end": 16373.085, "text": "public submission was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16373.545, "end": 16375.445, "text": "potential height of uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16375.625, "end": 16377.405, "text": "whatever renovations. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16377.845, "end": 16379.705, "text": "I know this is just the land use, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16380.525, "end": 16383.505, "text": "do you know potentially would the height change?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16384.465, "end": 16385.205, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16385.405, "end": 16395.025, "text": "one of the constraints is that the ship and anchor being an existing building, that's our guiding line to uh to start the initial floors. On top of that, we are trying to retain" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16395.265, "end": 16408.825, "text": "uh the same floor to floor height for the new addition on uh on the buildings. So uh we are still within the within our ask of 24 meters, which is very close to what the current land use allows. So we are not expected to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_34", "start": 16409.245, "end": 16413.325, "text": "uh shoot off of that figure by any uh substantial amount." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16413.765, "end": 16414.505, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16417.085, "end": 16419.305, "text": "Thank you. Any other council members for the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16421.345, "end": 16423.865, "text": "All right. Seeing none, thank you so much for being here with us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16424.725, "end": 16427.805, "text": "Anyone else uh wish to speak to this item, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16429.025, "end": 16431.585, "text": "7.2.7 land use amendment and belt line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16433.245, "end": 16435.085, "text": "Going once, going twice." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16435.285, "end": 16435.765, "text": "I would" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16436.505, "end": 16439.325, "text": "Sorry, we have somebody on the line. Uh, if you just uh introduce yourself." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16439.325, "end": 16439.725, "text": "yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16440.945, "end": 16442.985, "text": "James Ballantine from the Ship and Anchor Pub." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16443.945, "end": 16445.505, "text": "Oh, go ahead, Jay. Good to hear from you, man." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16447.465, "end": 16447.925, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16448.465, "end": 16450.925, "text": "a couple of things. Uh I have a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16451.665, "end": 16454.125, "text": "a prepared statement, but I I did want to say that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16454.905, "end": 16456.625, "text": "in terms of uh outreach," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16457.725, "end": 16465.185, "text": "uh I last spoke to someone from Strategic on this matter in February of last year uh when they said they would get me plans as soon as there were some available." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16465.825, "end": 16469.045, "text": "And I did not see plans uh at all until" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16469.785, "end": 16471.765, "text": "uh just over a week ago." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16472.065, "end": 16472.525, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16473.885, "end": 16478.665, "text": "Nice to see that the community association has seen plans, but uh I haven't seen any" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16479.525, "end": 16482.525, "text": "uh beyond what's uh on on uh the city site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16483.285, "end": 16483.685, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16484.805, "end": 16485.525, "text": "the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16487.465, "end": 16488.245, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16489.005, "end": 16490.225, "text": "so I have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16491.525, "end": 16495.825, "text": "been the principal shareholder of the ship and anchor for the last 34 plus years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16497.205, "end": 16498.725, "text": "Uh and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16499.525, "end": 16506.705, "text": "well, long story short, we're opposed to this application. I apologize for my uh clearing my throat. I have a terrible cold that I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16507.565, "end": 16510.525, "text": "didn't want to bring into s into council today, so I phoned in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16512.765, "end": 16523.245, "text": "So we're opposed to this application, at least in its current form. We are not opposed to increased density, however, nor increased height, depending on where it is on a site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16524.005, "end": 16527.245, "text": "And we recognize the need for residential construction in the inner city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16528.745, "end": 16538.805, "text": "What we are greatly concerned about is the avail is the viability of a busy live music venue operating directly beneath and in the same structure as residential housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16539.405, "end": 16546.925, "text": "Notwithstanding the fact that acoustic shielding can be added, which will lessen the transfer of the higher pitched sounds through the floor of the apartments above," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16547.585, "end": 16551.905, "text": "my research would suggest that live music requires structural decoupling" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16552.445, "end": 16554.765, "text": "to limit bass levels passing through a building." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16555.205, "end": 16562.465, "text": "In this case, however, or in any case where the music venue and the residential units are facing in the same direction and the apartments are directly above," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16562.985, "end": 16567.925, "text": "much of the general pub sound and particularly live music emanates out the front of the pub" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16568.445, "end": 16573.845, "text": "and will have only a few feet to travel to the balconies and windows of the lower apartments above, and it will be loud." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16574.965, "end": 16581.485, "text": "The ship offices were on the second floor directly above the pub for many years, and it was very loud when bands played." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16582.725, "end": 16588.445, "text": "Without creating a structurally independent residential building which is acoustically shielded to a very high spec," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16588.845, "end": 16595.005, "text": "it is unrealistic to think that the music can be muted to the point that it will be acceptable to someone trying to sleep in the apartments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16595.605, "end": 16604.225, "text": "It will almost certainly lead to complaints, which bylaw officers will have to respond to and we will have to address. And the only way to bring live music levels" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16604.585, "end": 16609.465, "text": "Down so they do not exceed 50 or even 65 decibels in the above scenario" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16609.625, "end": 16611.585, "text": "would be to stop playing live music," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16612.025, "end": 16614.145, "text": "which would be catastrophic for our business." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16615.665, "end": 16618.785, "text": "Live music has been one of the key elements of the success of the ship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16620.065, "end": 16628.785, "text": "If, however, this project is approved as currently presented, then putting on live shows as we have for 35 years, free to our customers as they've always been," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16628.985, "end": 16633.825, "text": "at the same volume as they've always been presented, could in fact contribute to our demise." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16634.885, "end": 16652.725, "text": "Another concern we have, and we haven't seen the full flange yet, so there could be others, is the detrimental effect of residential development built to the very edge of two sides of the ship and anchor patios at a significantly greater height than the current office building, which is, I think, about 16 meters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16653.445, "end": 16668.945, "text": "Being shadowed by a residential apartment building and overlooked by five stories of individuals in their own homes in balcony fronted apartments is a very different ambiance to being adjacent to three stories of office building on only one side of the patio as we are now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16670.645, "end": 16680.765, "text": "Sitting on a patio on 17th Avenue beside an office building is to be sitting within the premises of one business with people above who are at work and who do not have the same sense of propriety about their space." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16681.445, "end": 16690.045, "text": "Sitting on the same patio adjacent to people who are in their home on their balconies will feel at least a little bit like you're intruding on their personal space." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16690.585, "end": 16693.985, "text": "We don't think ship customers are going to be nearly as comfortable in that setting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16694.385, "end": 16698.505, "text": "And that would compromise what has become a very popular spot for the beltline community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16699.565, "end": 16710.165, "text": "Further, if we're in a situation that some of the residents overlooking the patio are also bothered by the music or crowds on the patio, it might not just be awkward. It is conceivable that it could become openly hostile." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16711.045, "end": 16718.225, "text": "But a ship at anchor or any other business to find itself in that situation in the name of density would be a disaster, a preventable disaster." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16719.105, "end": 16725.865, "text": "Density should support culture, not displace it, and live music in particular needs all the help it can get to survive in Calgary." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16726.645, "end": 16731.825, "text": "I would ask that council approve this only if the most rigorous acoustic measures are written into the bylaw," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16732.225, "end": 16739.805, "text": "and at least in the case of this application, that a significant setback is required to create separation between the ship and the residential units." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16740.885, "end": 16745.965, "text": "We will have further comments in this application than plans and other information is made available to us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16746.345, "end": 16746.845, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16748.145, "end": 16750.165, "text": "Thank you, uh, Mr. Ballantyne." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16751.605, "end": 16754.225, "text": "Over to Councillor Johnston for a question for you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16755.585, "end": 16757.885, "text": "Uh my question's for uh James." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16758.105, "end": 16758.705, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16759.625, "end": 16761.265, "text": "can you just speak to more about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16761.905, "end": 16766.665, "text": "the outreach? You said you didn't um he hear about this until last week." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16768.085, "end": 16768.585, "text": "Mm-hmm." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16769.565, "end": 16774.965, "text": "Could could have been that you missed like a letter, because it's in here it says that letters were handed out, I think." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16776.085, "end": 16776.685, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16779.745, "end": 16786.465, "text": "We are in contact with the strategic property management group at all uh very often. I don't think it'd be very difficult to get us a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16786.845, "end": 16788.825, "text": "letter if they wanted to." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16790.065, "end": 16790.645, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16791.565, "end": 16796.485, "text": "I don't know of any other anyone else having received a letter, but I mean," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16797.545, "end": 16802.485, "text": "I was told on more than one occasion I would get the plans when they were available and they they've never showed up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16803.605, "end": 16810.405, "text": "It obviously I could have dug around and found out that they had moved ahead, but I was kind of shocked to find out they had because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16811.325, "end": 16813.545, "text": "when we spoke last year," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16814.465, "end": 16818.485, "text": "I said that we're open to the possibility of this happening." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16818.885, "end": 16834.185, "text": "But it's going to be complicated and particularly the construction process uh and how and what space we're gonna end up with and how many changes are going to occur and how we're gonna accommodate that and and uh amend our lease to allow for it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16835.505, "end": 16841.205, "text": "This was, I fear, the point at which um it was decided that they didn't want to talk to us anymore," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16841.965, "end": 16845.525, "text": "uh, because that maybe sounded like a complicated process." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16846.025, "end": 16846.805, "text": "But uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16847.525, "end": 16852.585, "text": "long story short, that was the end of uh end of the conversation, and we haven't heard anything since." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16854.285, "end": 16856.705, "text": "I can hear the frustration in your voice. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16858.605, "end": 16863.885, "text": "I I'm not sure I'm gonna vote on this right now, but uh is there a path forward that work could be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16864.925, "end": 16869.165, "text": "or sorry, uh this uh could be uh approved um with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16869.825, "end": 16873.585, "text": "your blessing or at least so it doesn't affect your business as much?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16876.585, "end": 16877.005, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16878.205, "end": 16879.125, "text": "so that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16880.085, "end": 16883.985, "text": "yes, I think there's a path path forward, and which I made clear to them" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16884.205, "end": 16887.325, "text": "uh that I was willing to sit down and talk about it. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16890.625, "end": 16894.305, "text": "so I mean I I thought I could leave it at that, but it's complicated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16894.845, "end": 16897.065, "text": "Okay. No, that's okay. I just think um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16898.065, "end": 16900.785, "text": "Th there needs to be more effort to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 16901.485, "end": 16906.185, "text": "get to the people most affected by these land use changes. So I I do appreciate your time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 16908.545, "end": 16910.605, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Johnston. Uh, Councillor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16912.585, "end": 16915.185, "text": "Uh thank you, Mr. Valentine. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16916.205, "end": 16917.225, "text": "I'm wondering if" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16918.225, "end": 16922.805, "text": "the engagement you're looking for, if that did occur," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16923.005, "end": 16923.705, "text": "would that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16925.285, "end": 16927.785, "text": "change your perspective on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 16928.065, "end": 16931.325, "text": "your position on this uh application?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16934.005, "end": 16936.805, "text": "Uh well my perspective and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16938.345, "end": 16938.925, "text": "have" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16939.485, "end": 16940.765, "text": "looked into this of of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16942.785, "end": 16949.725, "text": "this kind of thing uh over the years. We did we owned the building at one point and we've looked at doing renovations and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16949.865, "end": 16955.905, "text": "And uh we've looked at we looked at many options. So we did talk to people about acoustics" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16956.745, "end": 16960.265, "text": "and how that might work. And I th I think it's a very difficult" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16960.705, "end": 16961.365, "text": "building" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16962.065, "end": 16965.045, "text": "to provide any sort of acoustic shielding in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16965.745, "end": 16966.265, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16966.845, "end": 16967.405, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16968.865, "end": 16973.945, "text": "and from my reading, it would suggest that the only way you can actually provide that shielding, particularly if you're just going to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16975.065, "end": 16975.525, "text": "have uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16976.185, "end": 16986.165, "text": "residential on one floor directly above you, is that you have to s kind of suspend the a pad, a new concrete pad on rubber." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16986.705, "end": 16989.225, "text": "uh and somehow separate the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16990.205, "end": 16996.185, "text": "the existing concrete structure and and on and on. I mean it just sounds like an extraordinarily complex process," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16996.965, "end": 16997.465, "text": "which I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 16998.565, "end": 17001.565, "text": "uh I I doubt any developer would want to go through. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17002.765, "end": 17010.365, "text": "I mean I've but look I'm I'm open to discussion. I don't have all the facts on this. I don't know how the acoustics would work exactly uh but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17011.225, "end": 17012.085, "text": "it um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17012.705, "end": 17020.745, "text": "It that that would be that is a huge problem and a huge concern for me, not and it's not just at the ship. I mean, live music is a problem for me across the board and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17021.325, "end": 17024.465, "text": "and I think that venues like ours in a situation like this" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17024.705, "end": 17028.165, "text": "will run into big trouble because it's very difficult to have live music" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17028.625, "end": 17032.385, "text": "uh in a building with uh uh residential use" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17032.865, "end": 17034.185, "text": "if it's not designed for it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17036.185, "end": 17036.965, "text": "Um but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17037.425, "end": 17046.045, "text": "so yes, I'm open to discussion about how the acoustic problem might be solved. I'm open to discussion about uh the how we might mitigate the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17047.745, "end": 17050.745, "text": "the overbearing presence of the the new building," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17052.065, "end": 17052.645, "text": "excuse me," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17055.565, "end": 17056.125, "text": "the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17057.305, "end": 17059.085, "text": "of the new building on the patios." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17059.605, "end": 17063.205, "text": "Um I'm I'm open to discuss all these things. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17064.585, "end": 17065.085, "text": "yes," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17067.045, "end": 17068.745, "text": "I'm not confident that we're going to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17069.245, "end": 17072.105, "text": "get very far down that road because we've already had uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17073.385, "end": 17077.265, "text": "eleven months of time uh pass without any discussion whatsoever." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17077.925, "end": 17078.245, "text": "But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17078.525, "end": 17079.585, "text": "we are open to it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17080.545, "end": 17080.745, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17081.105, "end": 17084.645, "text": "And incidentally we have got 16 years more lease in that building" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17084.925, "end": 17085.485, "text": "Which" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17085.925, "end": 17086.505, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17087.645, "end": 17088.265, "text": "is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17089.045, "end": 17092.365, "text": "not going to change. We're not going anywhere. Uh and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17094.145, "end": 17099.925, "text": "we have the use of all the areas we currently have are all our exclusive use areas. So it's gonna be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17100.725, "end": 17104.545, "text": "it's gonna require a conversation, put it that way, for them to move ahead" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17104.945, "end": 17106.285, "text": "with any sort of development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17108.145, "end": 17111.285, "text": "did you hear from the city" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17111.865, "end": 17113.685, "text": "planning department as part of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17114.745, "end": 17116.705, "text": "uh engagement process?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17118.465, "end": 17121.025, "text": "We spoke to uh uh planning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17121.225, "end": 17123.765, "text": "I spoke to planning um last" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17124.185, "end": 17127.485, "text": "when the f when the signs first went up on the site, I spoke to planning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17128.085, "end": 17130.325, "text": "And at that point there wasn't much" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17130.805, "end": 17132.825, "text": "information uh to be had." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17133.485, "end": 17135.865, "text": "Um and then when I saw the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17136.785, "end": 17138.285, "text": "the new um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17139.505, "end": 17144.025, "text": "when I when I well I saw I was walking down the lane and I saw the secondary thing about land use" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17144.825, "end": 17152.225, "text": "and I spoke to uh Kate Ball at that uh planning and uh and she brought me up to speed with roughly speaking what's going on." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17152.505, "end": 17152.945, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17154.725, "end": 17156.205, "text": "so yes, I have spoken with them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17157.225, "end": 17181.205, "text": "Okay, that's good to hear. Uh I don't have any further questions, but you know, just for your own knowledge with our decision here today, a lot of the concerns that you're addressing are things that we can't necessarily consider at this stage, but um would just welcome you to reach out to the ward office and uh we can continue to work with you on this to make sure you know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17181.485, "end": 17191.265, "text": "However, the vote goes today to ensure that you have what you need to uh continue working with those who are developing the site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17193.325, "end": 17194.625, "text": "Great. I appreciate that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17196.285, "end": 17198.665, "text": "Thank you. Uh over to Councillor Pantozopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 17198.825, "end": 17207.925, "text": "Thanks so much. Just wanted to pick up on that that sound, because I heard a couple things and you even echoed it a second time. Uh a concern about sound and you want to make sure there's there's some" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 17208.885, "end": 17221.745, "text": "Insulation, for lack of a better term, to prevent that. And then you spoke about sort of ambiance and the neighbors. Maybe just speak about setbacks, ultimately, sort of so you know, people aren't looking into the the patio." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 17222.265, "end": 17224.865, "text": "What what would work? Like what in your judgment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 17225.465, "end": 17226.345, "text": "would work" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 17227.565, "end": 17230.505, "text": "that you'd want that you still recognize as 17th Avenue that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 17231.645, "end": 17248.425, "text": "You've got neighbors, you've got other landowners that have rights and privileges to do things on their land. So maybe just maybe speak a little bit oh giving you weren't given that chance to engage, but I just heard a lot of things about concerns about residents, but then it came down to but I don't want people looking into my patio and noise and things. So if if you could, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17250.005, "end": 17251.365, "text": "Right. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17252.385, "end": 17257.745, "text": "The uh what I think would work, what I I in fact had discussed with another developer" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17258.265, "end": 17258.765, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17259.705, "end": 17261.705, "text": "a while ago, was" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17262.645, "end": 17269.965, "text": "a new building forming an L that would go back the length of 532 and then cut across the rear of 534." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17270.485, "end": 17271.925, "text": "Uh and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17272.325, "end": 17274.765, "text": "and then cantilever at over" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17276.005, "end": 17283.885, "text": "the bottom two floors, for example, of uh the current four story structure. So you would take off the top two stories of office." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17284.985, "end": 17296.345, "text": "leave the the commercial below either one or two stories and then cancelever the new building over the top. So they would actually be separate uh structures and it would be much easier to um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17296.645, "end": 17297.645, "text": "soundproof" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17298.105, "end": 17300.785, "text": "and they would be then set back from the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17301.545, "end": 17303.065, "text": "uh the ship patios." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17303.585, "end": 17304.685, "text": "So both for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17305.145, "end": 17312.825, "text": "the sound that will drift up and around always from a pub, particularly with live music, uh to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17313.505, "end": 17321.445, "text": "Balconies above, uh, they would be set back a ways enough that that shouldn't be nearly the problem it would be if they're directly above." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_19", "start": 17322.545, "end": 17336.965, "text": "Uh and and structurally, I think that's what's most important is you'd have isolation because you'd have the old building still there with the new building wrapped around, and they uh this the sound would not transfer between the two of them in the same way it would within one building." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 17339.525, "end": 17339.925, "text": "Thanks so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17342.825, "end": 17345.885, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions uh for Mr. Ballantine?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17348.905, "end": 17353.605, "text": "Thank you so much uh for being with us. You can continue to follow on the live stream. Thank you so much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17355.665, "end": 17357.865, "text": "Anyone else uh for the public hearing item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17359.025, "end": 17360.965, "text": "Anyone else on the line or in person here?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17363.545, "end": 17369.105, "text": "All right. We will close then the uh public hearing over to members of council for questions for administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17369.945, "end": 17371.825, "text": "Uh shall we start with you, uh Councillor Schmidt?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17373.205, "end": 17375.245, "text": "Would you like me to move the item?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17375.985, "end": 17376.805, "text": "Uh if you'd like to, yep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17376.905, "end": 17377.865, "text": "Sure, I can move it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17378.945, "end": 17379.665, "text": "Do we have a seconder?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17381.125, "end": 17384.165, "text": "Second by Councillor Atkinson. And okay, over to you, Councillor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17386.625, "end": 17387.345, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17387.925, "end": 17399.225, "text": "more technical question that might not be appropriate in the context, but uh given that most of the concerns revolved around the development permit stage, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17399.905, "end": 17403.645, "text": "That is the status of the development permit, is it under review right now?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17405.865, "end": 17412.845, "text": "That's correct. We have a development permit under review, and the development permit file manager is the one who met with uh Mr. Ballantyne the other day to bring him up to speed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17413.085, "end": 17413.505, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17414.145, "end": 17414.825, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17416.605, "end": 17423.425, "text": "are pre approval conditions something that are considered at that during that process?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17426.645, "end": 17461.665, "text": "What we would do is we we would the applicant is entitled to apply for anything that they're allowed to do under the land use, under the rules that city council is considering applying today. Um we couldn't we wouldn't presume in advance that oh we would not support something that aligns with those rules more or less. Um and we try not to promise relaxations in advance of having a development permit in front of us. We'd have to look at every aspect of that and see how it works with the specific rules. Um, but we're not essentially able to condition a land use approval." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17462.545, "end": 17465.905, "text": "I just asked because there seemed to be a gap in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17466.445, "end": 17468.525, "text": "what was the sort of a desired" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17469.285, "end": 17471.265, "text": "level of engagement so." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17472.085, "end": 17483.845, "text": "More for the benefit of the um the member of the public, Mr. Ballantyne, who was on the phone today, that based on the stage of the development permit and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17484.385, "end": 17487.845, "text": "the opportunity for further engagement that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17488.065, "end": 17491.045, "text": "from where we are in the process," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17491.565, "end": 17504.125, "text": "as far as uh you know, separate from this land use, that there's still opportunity uh for people to work together to try to craft the concerns that are not before us here today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17506.425, "end": 17526.065, "text": "Uh yeah, I will say the development permit is under review. Uh it's going to the urban design review panel tomorrow, I believe, for um a more uh more rigorous architectural review from our our panel of experts. I would say there is plenty of room for adjustments to be made to this development permit as we go through the process in response to feedback from from everybody involved in the project." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17526.265, "end": 17526.465, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 17526.465, "end": 17531.705, "text": "And may I add, counsel uh Councillor, just that um typically acoustic" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 17532.545, "end": 17544.765, "text": "shielding requirements are going to be a minimum standard outlined in the building code. So while while the development permit application is still open, there is opportunity for um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 17545.365, "end": 17562.325, "text": "Collaboration, for lack of a better words, between the current tenant and the property owner. Nothing that the city has, to my knowledge, would be able to enforce a provincial requirement higher than what's outlined in the building code for acoustic purposes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17562.865, "end": 17568.545, "text": "Certainly nothing would be stopping um a proponent from going beyond" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17568.825, "end": 17570.765, "text": "the requirements in the building code." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 17571.245, "end": 17577.925, "text": "Nothing stops them from exceeding the requirements. They must meet the minimum requirements, but the minimum requirements are minimum." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17578.605, "end": 17579.045, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17579.625, "end": 17582.445, "text": "Um those are my questions, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17584.325, "end": 17585.645, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 17588.585, "end": 17598.105, "text": "There are other jurisdictions that are dealing with this, right? Loss of uh loss of venues and cultures as sort of uh we see" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 17598.925, "end": 17621.945, "text": "sort of gentrification of of areas over time. Are is there anything in what we're developing when we're trying to take more of a holistic view on planning to sort of um deal with noise, or you're moving into the building and therefore you have lesser, you know, uh levels of expectation around noise complaints, these kinds of things?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17623.585, "end": 17647.105, "text": "Full disclosure, this is going to be way out of my lane, but I'm we do have an arts and culture strategy which would promote things like live music, and we want to see more of that, and it would run into the direct impact of how do we then balance the noise impacts. So to what I'm uh for to my knowledge, we don't have any specific guidance from city council or from another jurisdiction as to which way we should lean in the event of a conflict like that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 17647.385, "end": 17647.645, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 17648.365, "end": 17662.545, "text": "And that just to sort of go back to the minimum noise, uh, so that's that's the same on like any residential construction, is is that what you mean? Like the minimum noise abatement between floors and these kinds of things." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 17662.625, "end": 17673.545, "text": "Correct. And again, I'm also out of my lane here as well as but building code specifically talks about buildings on private property, whereas the city's noise bylaws about noise spreading out to outside the property." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_06", "start": 17674.045, "end": 17678.765, "text": "And to for people to file complaints and then a peace officer comes out and that's the case." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 17678.765, "end": 17679.325, "text": "Gotcha." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 17679.705, "end": 17681.265, "text": "Okay. Thank you. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 17681.765, "end": 17682.125, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17683.625, "end": 17685.005, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 17689.585, "end": 17711.705, "text": "Thank you, worship. Uh just wanted to f uh pick up on my previous two colleagues who were uh asking specifically, I mean, land use is what's before us today. I recognize the fact that to the to the admin folks are with us today, this is using your words, out of your lane. Uh but I did want to uh draw a very sort of clear line here for us. Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 17712.505, "end": 17718.825, "text": "Development permits do not come to council, so that we don't really get much of an opportunity to weigh in. So uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 17719.785, "end": 17783.165, "text": "I'll ask this maybe as a question for you, but I recognize the fact that the actual answer is more on the development permit side and to other colleagues rather than uh rather than yourselves. Um to what Councillor Atkinson was just bringing up, the uh I myself spent years working in the uh not-for-profit arts uh uh space, have been part of building two different theaters in Calgary. There are uh specific requirements when building those that are far and above the minimum requirements that are required in in building code. And uh I I recognize here this is something that we we we would need to take a look at. So I guess my question, and and and I'm happy to, in debate, sort of say the same thing to the uh to the applicant. But my question, I guess, to administration is can you pass along on behalf of counsel our concern at the development permit stage uh uh about the noise transfer within this building and and uh facilitate whatever conversation uh is appropriate uh between uh administration and the applicant and um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 17783.365, "end": 17797.105, "text": "The operators within the building to make sure that appropriate noise abatement and vibration maintenance, et cetera, within the within the design decisions that they make are being addressed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17799.145, "end": 17810.545, "text": "The concerns raised by the community, the patrons of the pub, the owners of the pub, potential future residents of any building that would be constructed above the ship, those are well heard and will be taken into account." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 17810.765, "end": 17823.225, "text": "Thank you very much. I apologize, your worship. I'm not really sure what other way is available to us to be able to pass that message along. So I thought this was a good, as good a way as any that's available to us as a council to make that clear to administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17826.345, "end": 17828.425, "text": "Sounds good. Any other questions, sir?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17832.645, "end": 17843.945, "text": "I'll just uh maybe on behalf of council, I'll ask. Uh I think there's a clerical amendment that if uh this motion were passed, it would be required after the first reading of the first set of bylaws. If you could just speak to what that table is and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17844.505, "end": 17845.025, "text": "The amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17845.525, "end": 17866.005, "text": "That's correct. There was a few different applications in flight with this that would affect the beltline area redevelopment plan. And a previous amendment that was approved by council is not reflected in this table. Therefore, upon first reading, we would need to replace this with a new table that accommodates the previously approved amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17866.205, "end": 17869.285, "text": "Thank you. And just in plain words, what's the difference between the two tables?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 17870.105, "end": 17884.885, "text": "Uh I couldn't tell you. I think there's an extra address in there that has a specific exclusion to uh the floor area ratio. We approved a floor area ratio, I think, further west down uh 17th Avenue, which is not reflected in the one currently proposed before you today." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17886.125, "end": 17886.605, "text": "Sounds good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17887.565, "end": 17889.145, "text": "Any other uh questions on this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17890.625, "end": 17894.745, "text": "So again, council, uh, if the uh recommendations will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17895.585, "end": 17902.765, "text": "pass, then uh on the first set of bylaws, the 1P2026, after the first reading, we'll go to the possibility for that amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_31", "start": 17905.225, "end": 17908.105, "text": "Seeing other questions, over to Councillor Schmidt to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17910.585, "end": 17911.165, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17911.625, "end": 17916.145, "text": "this is a tough one because uh we certainly don't want to see" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17917.245, "end": 17920.565, "text": "a strong local business that is contributing" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17922.085, "end": 17928.865, "text": "to the music scene as a live music venue suffer from this, but it's tough because that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17929.725, "end": 17931.225, "text": "is something that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17931.705, "end": 17936.045, "text": "Can can't really factor into our decisions here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17936.605, "end": 17944.205, "text": "And given this is 17th Avenue, right by Fifth Street, many amenities, access to transportation" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17944.925, "end": 17950.305, "text": "are there. This land use is certainly appropriate for that area. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17952.785, "end": 17956.105, "text": "I I will support this today, but with the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17956.565, "end": 17958.805, "text": "a strong message to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17959.645, "end": 17974.645, "text": "the developer that um there should be further meetings uh with mr ballantyne and uh even involving the ward office so that we can ensure that we don't affect the continued success of" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17975.265, "end": 17979.465, "text": "a place that many uh calgarians appreciate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17979.985, "end": 17983.285, "text": "and uh have been going to for many years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17983.545, "end": 17984.205, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 17985.105, "end": 17992.505, "text": "I I will support this but um with that caveat uh to the developer who's here today. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 17994.185, "end": 18006.165, "text": "Thank you, council. Before we uh go to the vote here, we're we have there's two sets of three readings here. The first is around the Beltline Area Redevelopment Plan, and the next is the redesignation of the uh specific site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18008.445, "end": 18010.785, "text": "All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's please engage the evo." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 18030.045, "end": 18031.345, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18032.205, "end": 18032.545, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 18033.305, "end": 18033.625, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 18034.165, "end": 18035.005, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18036.145, "end": 18037.985, "text": "Thank you. Uh please display the results." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18040.765, "end": 18048.785, "text": "On the land use amendment and belt line Ward 8. Uh the motion has carried, with counselors Ward, Pantasopoulos, and tires opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18051.285, "end": 18054.185, "text": "So we will now go to two sets of readings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18055.005, "end": 18060.045, "text": "First stop is 1P2026, which uh relates to the area plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18062.585, "end": 18066.225, "text": "First reading of bylaw 1P 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18066.965, "end": 18068.085, "text": "Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18071.665, "end": 18073.485, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18074.205, "end": 18078.865, "text": "Uh the first reading is passed. I'm going now to Councillor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18081.985, "end": 18083.625, "text": "Uh sorry, I um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18084.205, "end": 18085.385, "text": "tuned out for a second there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18085.385, "end": 18089.225, "text": "Oh, no worries. You're uh you're just gonna place the amendment on the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18089.225, "end": 18091.225, "text": "I'll move the amendment. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 18091.685, "end": 18092.165, "text": "thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18092.345, "end": 18120.545, "text": "That's seconded by Councillor Chabot. And I just want to be crystal clear here. The proposed amendment here impacts a table in the bylaw that our council had previously amended at the 2025, December 15th public hearing. And due to the timing of these amendments and the respective dates, the proposed amendment and this item didn't take into consideration the previous amendment that happened. So essentially, this is just to uh maintain the decision that council made uh previous uh to the break." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18120.965, "end": 18123.245, "text": "And this is uh reflected on the screen here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18124.005, "end": 18126.145, "text": "So that was uh moved by councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18126.405, "end": 18128.305, "text": "uh seconded by Councillor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18130.605, "end": 18132.345, "text": "Are we agreed on the amendment?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18133.445, "end": 18134.965, "text": "All in favor, any opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18135.645, "end": 18140.385, "text": "That motion has carried unanimously. So we will now move to the second." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18141.065, "end": 18143.485, "text": "Reading of the bylaw as amended." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18146.365, "end": 18150.665, "text": "Second reading of bylaw 1p 2026 as amended. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18151.505, "end": 18153.205, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18153.725, "end": 18159.245, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 1p 2026 as amended. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18159.705, "end": 18166.305, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 1p 2026 as amended. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18166.925, "end": 18168.445, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18169.185, "end": 18175.725, "text": "Alright, so we have dealt with the area plan amendment. Now we're moving to the site specific one, which is bylaw 5D 2026." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18176.225, "end": 18179.905, "text": "First reading of bylaw 5D 2026, anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18180.945, "end": 18186.285, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 5D 2026, anyone opposed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18186.845, "end": 18193.165, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 5D 2026, anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18193.625, "end": 18195.565, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18196.005, "end": 18201.025, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 5D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18201.885, "end": 18204.325, "text": "All right, we are off to 7.2.8." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18204.805, "end": 18206.145, "text": "Policy amendment and Ramsey." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18208.125, "end": 18220.585, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. Item 7.2.8 is a policy amendment, uh, a standalone policy amendment to allow for four dwelling units and four secondary suites of infill development. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18221.465, "end": 18230.485, "text": "The recommendation before you today is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 2P 2026 to amend the Ramsey Area Redevelopment Plan. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18231.505, "end": 18250.565, "text": "The subject site is located in the inner southeast community of Ramsey, at the north end of the community, up against the heavy rail line. This site is one block from the future Ramsey Green Line Station, Inglewood Ramsey Green Line Station at 12th Street, and it is an 11 minute walk to the 9th Avenue Main Street in Inglewood. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18251.805, "end": 18271.025, "text": "This parcel is the second lot in from the corner. It has a rear lane and it is currently developed with a single detached dwelling. These parcels on this block are approximately 20% deeper than the standard parcel in Calgary. The north end of the LRT station will be approximately visible in the bottom right corner of the image. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18272.105, "end": 18290.005, "text": "Surrounding development is characterized primarily by low-density residential dwellings under the RCG, the Residential Grade Oriented Infill District. A neighborhood activity center is located a couple blocks to the west on 8th Street with local commercial uses as well as some townhouse development. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18291.465, "end": 18311.705, "text": "This application proposes to amend the Ramsey Area Redevelopment Plan to support the development of row houses, townhouses, and duplex dwellings on the subject site. Specifically, this amendment would revise map 4 of the ARP by changing the land use classification of the site from low density residential in yellow to the orange low density multi unit redevelopment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18312.565, "end": 18338.725, "text": "Should council approve this policy amendment, it would allow for the approval of a development permit application we have under review on the site. It proposes the development of two semi detached buildings, one in the front and one in the rear, with a detached garage on the rear lane, as well as four basement secondary suites. This parcel's additional 25 feet of depth allows for greater separation between the buildings and provides more space on the parcel. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 18339.785, "end": 18352.225, "text": "In closing, this application would allow for grade-oriented housing, which is moderate in density and suitable for its proximity to an imminent LRT station. Calgary Planning Commission supports the application and recommends council's approval. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18353.525, "end": 18357.845, "text": "Thank you, sir. Let's please open the public hearing on 7.2.7." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18358.425, "end": 18359.565, "text": "Or no, 7.2.8." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18360.765, "end": 18361.465, "text": "Oh my gosh." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18362.865, "end": 18364.745, "text": "All right. Do we have the applicant with us?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18365.945, "end": 18366.585, "text": "Please come on up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 18368.405, "end": 18395.625, "text": "Hi, good afternoon. My name is Lais Ferreira and I'm here today in support of the LOC 2025 0177 for the property at 1106 9th Street Southeast. This application seeks a minor policy amendment to allow for four plex residential development, which is already permitted under the existing zoning, but is currently restricted by the 1994 Ramsey ARP. This side sorry, next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 18396.485, "end": 18412.345, "text": "This site is located in a highly connected and accessible area of Ramsay within 200 meters of the Future Green Line and within 200 meters of a bike lane. It is also within walking distance from 8th Street, 12th Street, and 9th Avenue, which have local commercial amenities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 18412.945, "end": 18432.905, "text": "Ramsey already includes a diverse range of housing. According to the 2021 census, nearly 40% of the homes in the community are composed of townhomes or small scale multi residential buildings. This proposal builds on that existing diversity while respecting Ramsey's established character. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 18434.165, "end": 18447.945, "text": "The subject parcel is currently zoned SRC, which allows for up to five dwelling units for a parcel this size. This application seeks a minor policy amendment to align the statutory plan with existing land use bylaw. Next slide please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 18449.465, "end": 18480.845, "text": "The proposal consists of four three-bedroom townhomes and two bedroom basement suites, sorry for each uh townhome, providing family-oriented housing in transit supportive location. The development is arranged into two low rise residential buildings with a landscape courtyard and a laned access garage, minimizing impact on the street and surrounding homes. The design was guided by the sub area two development guidelines from the Ramsey Air Bean effect. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 18481.585, "end": 18502.765, "text": "The proposal buildings are two stories tall, which about 10 meters in height, which matches the prevailing scale of the street and complies with the sub-area designing guidelines. Architectural features such as front porches and articulated roof lines reduce the visual mass and maintain the low profile appearance. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 18503.805, "end": 18512.285, "text": "This slide illustrates the compatibility of the proposed development with the height of the other developments surrounding within the street." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 18513.225, "end": 18514.285, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 18515.305, "end": 18531.985, "text": "Privacy has been addressed by oriented units towards the laneway, providing six-foot fencing along the side properties, and ensuring that all upper story windows meet the land use bylaw privacy requirements, with the seal heights being at 1.5 meters from the finished floor. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 18532.805, "end": 18549.125, "text": "Roof form is an important heritage element in Ramsey. The ARP specifically referenced the 12 by 12 pitch gable roofs with the gable end facing the street as a defining characteristic for the sub area, which we have incorporated into the proposed development design. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 18549.965, "end": 18565.765, "text": "The local area plan as well also emphasizes the front porches and the street facing entries and important architectural elements. This approach supports ion street, walkability, and reinforces the traditional residential pattern of the community. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 18566.685, "end": 18581.685, "text": "Lastly, the exterior finishes include narrow profile siding and brick consistent with the community pattern and the ARP guidelines as well. Bay windows were also incorporated to reflect the traditional design elements seen in nearby homes. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_21", "start": 18582.945, "end": 18606.985, "text": "So, to conclude, this proposal represents a thoughtful, modest, and policy aligned proposal for the site. The requested policy amended amendment simply brings the Rams ARP into alignment with existing zoning and other planning policies, allowing for a form of housing that provides accessibility to family oriented homes. For these reasons, it is my opinion that this amendment should be approved by Council today. So thank you very much." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18607.545, "end": 18609.625, "text": "Thank you. Any questions for the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18611.785, "end": 18613.525, "text": "Seeing none, thank you so much for being with us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18614.725, "end": 18618.965, "text": "Anyone uh else in person or on the line who would like to speak to this?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 18633.425, "end": 18634.425, "text": "Thanks for your patience, sir." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18634.705, "end": 18635.305, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18636.065, "end": 18638.165, "text": "Good afternoon, Your Honor, or" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18639.165, "end": 18640.305, "text": "the Mayor and Council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18640.685, "end": 18642.665, "text": "My name is Julianne Osberg." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18644.925, "end": 18647.585, "text": "I do not represent any business or group." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18648.005, "end": 18650.585, "text": "However, my husband and I have lived in Ramsey" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18650.825, "end": 18651.885, "text": "for 30 years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18652.765, "end": 18655.625, "text": "Most of that time time has been on the same street" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18655.925, "end": 18657.605, "text": "as the proposed development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18658.685, "end": 18660.805, "text": "We have seen a lot of change" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18661.065, "end": 18661.925, "text": "in Ramsey." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18662.205, "end": 18668.545, "text": "Including more recently a significant increase in the density in our neighborhood and our street." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18669.985, "end": 18677.645, "text": "On the back streets, many older houses have been and are being replaced by infills and semi detached duplexes," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18678.045, "end": 18679.865, "text": "often with basement suites," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18680.025, "end": 18683.085, "text": "and many neighbors have added carriage or lane houses," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18683.925, "end": 18689.025, "text": "all with little to no complaints from the neighbor from their neighbors, myself included." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18690.065, "end": 18692.505, "text": "Speaking for myself, and I believe" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18692.745, "end": 18694.465, "text": "as well for many of my neighbors," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18694.945, "end": 18695.865, "text": "who you will see here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18696.905, "end": 18703.025, "text": "We like seeing the increase in density and especially the young families it is bringing into our neighborhood." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18703.825, "end": 18712.625, "text": "On the main traffic corridors, we are seeing multi-unit developments proposed and constructed, again with the support of much of the community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18714.125, "end": 18728.545, "text": "However, to be clear, this increased density is causing some problems, especially in regards to traffic and congestion from the stampede, which will only increase once the new event center is complete." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18729.485, "end": 18738.005, "text": "With the closing of the 8th Street intersection into Inglewood and an increase in freight train traffic on 12th Street," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18738.965, "end": 18744.805, "text": "it often becomes a parking lot in Ramsey." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18745.525, "end": 18748.685, "text": "It just backs up and there's no way out of our neighborhood." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18749.525, "end": 18760.725, "text": "Aside from the headache of increased traffic, this causes a lot of worry with our neighbors that emergency vehicles will be unable to access Ramsey if required." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18762.065, "end": 18771.985, "text": "We're already working with the city as a small community to try to address these challenges as much as possible given the hundred year old infrastructure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18772.785, "end": 18788.005, "text": "However, for this and many other reasons, this request for what is described by the developer as a minor amendment to the Ramsey Area Redevelopment Plan is to many of us a watershed moment. Hence," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18788.725, "end": 18789.445, "text": "we're here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18790.585, "end": 18796.785, "text": "The current development proposal is to go on a single 50-foot lot from one bungalow" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18797.085, "end": 18810.065, "text": "to an eight-suite multiplex with two main buildings plus garages where most of the lot is covered by development, and with the development starting at the front edge of the lot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18811.125, "end": 18820.145, "text": "As you can see from the developers' plans, which were included in Art Metsui's comments, and I know Art is here, so he's probably going to put it up for you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18820.745, "end": 18835.545, "text": "It simply does not fit with the character of the neighborhood and certainly does not belong mid-lot or mid-block on this street. It goes like right up to the front, and all of the other houses are set back. It's gonna look weird." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18836.685, "end": 18850.725, "text": "My husband and I, and as you will have seen from the other letters submitted, many of our neighbors on our street and the street behind are opposed to this proposed development and to the amendment of the Ramsey Area Redevelopment Plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18851.445, "end": 18859.345, "text": "I should point out as well that I only know about the proposed amendment because I read about it in a neighborhood Facebook group." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18860.265, "end": 18879.525, "text": "I'm not sure how many of our other neighbors are unaware, but I suspect there's a great many, given the timing and the very limited circulation of the letter from the developer. In fact, I've only I only know because one person posted that letter on site. I don't I know of one other person who's received it, and that's it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18881.585, "end": 18891.585, "text": "The Ramsey ARP was designed specifically to set out where multi-unit development would be allowed on the main traffic corridors and where it would not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18892.105, "end": 18893.845, "text": "on most of the back streets." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18894.225, "end": 18900.505, "text": "That's typical in what expect one expects to see in a modern, well thought out city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18901.025, "end": 18910.585, "text": "Putting a multi unit development such as what is proposed on this lot, on this street, would, in my opinion, simply be poor city planning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18911.365, "end": 18918.185, "text": "It is favoring density above all other things and saying the wishes of the community are simply unimportant." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18919.105, "end": 18930.485, "text": "Something I dare say we've seen too much of in the past four years, and which I and my neighbors are hoping is going to become a thing of the past with this new city council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18931.425, "end": 18945.085, "text": "We aren't saying no to change or to density that fits. We just want our neighborhood to continue to be vibrant and livable and not to have the character destroyed by an attitude of density at all costs." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18946.405, "end": 18947.625, "text": "As per the letter I see" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 18947.625, "end": 18952.265, "text": "Unfortunately, you're at time, but I do have a question for you from Councillor Pantasopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18952.265, "end": 18953.105, "text": "Absolutely" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 18954.205, "end": 18959.765, "text": "Thank you so much for uh why why don't you let you continue your thought there and then I can answer ask a question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 18960.105, "end": 18961.925, "text": "So please continue your thought uh just in close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18961.925, "end": 18983.485, "text": "I was just about I was just going to quickly list the issues that we've got. I mean there's the major traffic issues I've mentioned, there's the parking. I mean, there we're talking about eight suites with I think I counted it, and it was something like 28 bedrooms, and they're putting in four undersized parking garages, and there's the ability to park two cars in front without." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 18983.925, "end": 19012.505, "text": "Overflowing into the neighbors. So major problem. Eight suites, you're talking about 24 green, black, and blue bins. How are where are those going? This is a you've got a hundred year old laneways. So they're, I think somebody was saying they're something like 12 feet across. You can't pass. I don't know how you possibly accommodate all of this. You've got the shading and privacy issues. You when you put in a building in the middle of what is yard for everybody else." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 19013.645, "end": 19033.965, "text": "It's a problem. We've got water infrastructure issues. Our street has mainly got clay pipe. We have the city come out once a year to make to make sure that we're not having a problem at our house. And we have water trucks on our street all the time because people are having issues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 19034.405, "end": 19044.945, "text": "Clearly a timely issue in Calgary. And there's then there's the insufficient tree canopy in green space. We're taking out mature trees, covering a lot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 19045.305, "end": 19049.905, "text": "And there's just, you know, we've got a climate change emergency." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 19050.385, "end": 19058.285, "text": "And yet, at the same time, we're saying, well, development is all we care about. We need to put people in, and there's no green space, but oh well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 19060.805, "end": 19075.885, "text": "For all of the above reasons, and to avoid setting a precedent which would severely negatively impact our current historic thriving community, I implore you not to approve this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 19076.625, "end": 19077.505, "text": "Thanks so much for that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 19077.985, "end": 19082.785, "text": "My question comes down to the neighborhood change. So this area." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 19082.945, "end": 19096.725, "text": "The interstructure plan was approved in 1994, and and that idea makes sense. And as as my colleague, Councillor McLean, said things change, move on, and and a hundred meters away, that's my math. There's gonna be a future Green Line station." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 19097.425, "end": 19108.965, "text": "And and that's gonna be a corridor to downtown. It changes everything. And I and I recognize when it was contemplated in 1994, a green line did not even exist, let alone a blue or out to my neighborhood." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 19109.645, "end": 19127.345, "text": "You heard me speak earlier about, you know, where development where it development makes sense, and I think you have heard that you say that as well, just no density anywhere. But we've got a future green line, it it you know, people that will be able to hop on a train and go to work and social. So so how should we think about that? What do do you suggest that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 19127.865, "end": 19139.905, "text": "the area should remain undeveloped in its pristine shape from from the 100 years ago or with the green line but literally there? How should we think about that when the next application comes and the next and the next and the next? And what would you like to see?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 19139.905, "end": 19148.725, "text": "Well we have we ha we have applications coming by all the time and but most of them are on the traffic corridors" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 19149.105, "end": 19161.505, "text": "where they typically are allowed. This is again on a st on a street that's a block back. And when we talk about the green line, the fact is the green line." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 19162.045, "end": 19235.165, "text": "So, first of all, that's a proposed station. We're still talking to the city about it. There's been all sorts of problems with that. Originally, the Green Line space station was supposed to be on the other side of 11th Street. Then the city said, Well, we can't put it there. We'll put it like halfway across 11th Street. And then they said, Well, that's too expensive. So now we're going to move it into Ramsey. And but don't worry about it. We're going to have it face onto 11th Street because we understand that you can't handle any more traffic. And when they last went to, when they last had Green Line meetings, they in our community and we went and looked at the pictures of the stations. They showed pictures of all of the stations along the lines and how people were getting in and out, how buses were getting in and out. And then you got to that one, and it was this weird blank situation. And I at the time I asked, I spoke to somebody who is in traffic and infrastructure and said, What's going on here? And he said, I honestly don't know. They haven't asked us to even draw this out. He said, I don't know how it's gonna work. I don't know if you're if you know anything about 11th Street, but you go up 11th Street and there is a train." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 19235.485, "end": 19246.745, "text": "That runs right across there. So it backs up. We have a major problem. It's really, you can't run buses up there. I'm not sure how they're doing it. Honestly," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 19247.445, "end": 19258.905, "text": "I have said this in the past, and the Green Line people just go like this and don't want to listen to you, but I don't think a station belongs there. We have another one a few blocks further at the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 19259.345, "end": 19264.965, "text": "crossroads. And honestly, that one makes sense because you can actually get traffic in and out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 19265.405, "end": 19274.605, "text": "I was gonna ask so to your colleagues there, let's just say that the Green Line did move. Um, your expectation would be that those individuals close to a Green Line station would be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 19274.925, "end": 19284.285, "text": "Not maybe required, but it makes a lot of sense to have density there so that you can hop on the train, etc. Um even if they had similar concerns. Just just your your thoughts on there. How do you" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 19284.285, "end": 19328.425, "text": "I mean there there is like to be clear Ramsey and Inglewood we do have a lot of density coming in and we aren't we haven't been opposed to that there is a proposal not very far from where I live right now that close to where Reds is where they're talking about putting row houses along Spiller and people have said let's just originally they wanted to go to five stories and people said well that's too much so now they're talking about going to three stories again there's support for that but once when you say well if you can run it there then why not keep going back and where we have you know houses and bigger lots let's just start willy nilly dropping these things in" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 19329.345, "end": 19346.665, "text": "The communities get upset. We have this, you know, we we've certainly heard a lot about it in Windsor Park. Ramsey's just a tiny microcosm of that, where when you start dropping them in, they don't look right, they don't feel right, they change your community. And we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 19347.485, "end": 19377.705, "text": "We we're not opposed to development. You can put like current, you know, you could put two infels there with two units in the bay in the basements. You can put carriage houses in, and you're talking eight units or five units. And now they're wanting to say, well, let's put them in the middle too. Let's just keep covering the lots. And that is the point at which you know the neighborhood is going, this doesn't make sense. You're not listening to us. This is overdevelopment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 19378.325, "end": 19381.305, "text": "Okay? Thanks so much for your time. Really appreciate you coming downtown too. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_23", "start": 19381.425, "end": 19382.005, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 19384.145, "end": 19390.265, "text": "Thank you. We will move down to through the registered speakers list. Do we have uh Brian DeBeck with us?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 19407.045, "end": 19408.405, "text": "Thanks for your patience with us, Brian." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19410.005, "end": 19410.205, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19414.985, "end": 19418.865, "text": "Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Brian De Boak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19419.885, "end": 19434.565, "text": "I've lived in Ramsey since 1976 and would like to address some concerns on the proposed development. I did submit comments to the city. I wonder if they could be put up on the screen. Yes, good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19435.645, "end": 19437.385, "text": "So the LOC" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19437.585, "end": 19441.045, "text": "describes this as a minor policy amendment" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19441.445, "end": 19447.965, "text": "to allow basically an eightplex where there was formerly a single family house." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19448.745, "end": 19451.745, "text": "And it's described as a minor amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19452.465, "end": 19455.065, "text": "I don't consider this a minor amendment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19455.705, "end": 19456.965, "text": "I don't consider" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19457.605, "end": 19461.785, "text": "an eight plex to be a townhouse. It's basically an apartment building." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19462.665, "end": 19466.065, "text": "And it has no place in the proposed location." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19472.385, "end": 19477.605, "text": "I think we've already expressed some concerns about removing mature trees." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19479.645, "end": 19483.385, "text": "The postcard that the developer" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19483.845, "end": 19487.785, "text": "distributed to nearby residents" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19488.545, "end": 19499.885, "text": "states that we should be welcoming eight new families to the proposed development. So it shows that they have little concern for the existing character of the neighborhood." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19503.065, "end": 19504.605, "text": "Privacy will be an issue," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19505.565, "end": 19506.185, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19506.405, "end": 19510.205, "text": "as previously mentioned, parking will be a huge issue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19510.605, "end": 19511.925, "text": "If there's that much" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19512.485, "end": 19514.585, "text": "Density in a single lot," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19515.205, "end": 19518.205, "text": "it's going to mean parking will encroach" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19518.965, "end": 19519.725, "text": "on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19521.045, "end": 19521.925, "text": "the neighbors." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19528.445, "end": 19530.205, "text": "I guess I could go to the next page." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19533.685, "end": 19535.445, "text": "Yes, there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19535.845, "end": 19538.625, "text": "That shows the proposed location." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19538.985, "end": 19548.605, "text": "There are some concerns with the plans that have been submitted by the developer, in that the proposed development is three meters back." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19549.725, "end": 19554.745, "text": "To the first building from the sidewalk, whereas the existing buildings are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19555.205, "end": 19560.005, "text": "approximately twice as far back. So it means it's going to stand out" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19562.405, "end": 19564.565, "text": "very visually. Also," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19565.005, "end": 19578.165, "text": "the proposed grade elevation for the building is the same as back a sidewalk. And as you can see from the photo, there's approximately a one meter elevation difference between" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19578.845, "end": 19581.885, "text": "the street sidewalk and the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19582.465, "end": 19584.305, "text": "Existing yard elevations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19585.245, "end": 19586.765, "text": "So it means that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19587.545, "end": 19593.145, "text": "with the retaining wall on either side, this development will appear to be in a trench." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19594.505, "end": 19596.045, "text": "Also, the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19596.825, "end": 19602.505, "text": "second large building has no front street access, which will be" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19602.685, "end": 19604.545, "text": "a big safety issue" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19605.005, "end": 19605.865, "text": "in the event" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19606.345, "end": 19607.165, "text": "of a fire" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19607.665, "end": 19609.925, "text": "or other emergency." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19611.065, "end": 19612.205, "text": "Also," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19613.345, "end": 19614.225, "text": "they show." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19616.265, "end": 19620.345, "text": "On-site storage for disposal shows three black, three blue," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19620.705, "end": 19621.725, "text": "and two" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19622.085, "end": 19623.025, "text": "green carts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19623.265, "end": 19625.345, "text": "And as previously mentioned," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19625.985, "end": 19628.625, "text": "there is a potential for up to 24" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19629.145, "end": 19630.865, "text": "disposal carts, which" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19631.125, "end": 19632.425, "text": "there's no storage" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19632.765, "end": 19633.565, "text": "on site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19633.965, "end": 19637.505, "text": "It will create huge issues for pickup." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19641.665, "end": 19642.485, "text": "And" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19645.585, "end": 19650.805, "text": "I guess in closing, there is presently a strong sense of community in the area with." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19651.265, "end": 19653.725, "text": "Most residents owning their properties." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19654.465, "end": 19656.165, "text": "Proposed development will not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19656.465, "end": 19658.485, "text": "be attractive to property owners" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19659.485, "end": 19662.225, "text": "and will most likely be rented by a developer" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19662.765, "end": 19663.625, "text": "or sold" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19664.125, "end": 19665.905, "text": "as an investment property." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19666.745, "end": 19668.405, "text": "Renters will be more transient" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19668.865, "end": 19672.765, "text": "and have no interest in maintaining the character of the neighborhood." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_29", "start": 19674.405, "end": 19675.705, "text": "Respectfully submitted." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 19679.005, "end": 19682.385, "text": "Thank you so much for being here with us, sir. Are there any questions for" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 19682.845, "end": 19683.445, "text": "Mr. DeBeck?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 19685.965, "end": 19690.665, "text": "Seeing none, we will move through the uh speakers list. Uh do we have Adele Sanoy with us?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 19707.865, "end": 19736.405, "text": "Okay, just uh want to let you know, uh Adele Sanoy, I live in Ramsey, been there twenty-four years. Just want to let you know that um Ramsey does have a lot of density. You see single family homes, but a lot of them, they're very old homes, actually have secondary suites. They might they might be grandfathered in or whatnot, but they actually a lot of them do. And you'll see big, big houses, old houses, and go, wow, that's a big old house, but it has six suites in it. So that's very common in our neighborhood. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 19737.585, "end": 19762.465, "text": "There was no back lane photo provided by the by the applicant, no street view. And the street view on there is going to be atrocious with the with the uh setback issues that we just heard described. The other houses on the street are setway back. Some of them are at the end of the block are different because they are very old and there used to be a historical reason for or whatever for putting um what do you call it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 19763.225, "end": 19763.685, "text": "Like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 19764.105, "end": 19803.545, "text": "Balcony, not balconies, but porches, the front porch porch things, and those are lovely. And ours, for example, is only six feet from the front sidewalk. But they all are in that area, right? So, but they're on the north side where this house is, it's they're quite set back, and so it's gonna be stark. There's a lady next door, an elderly lady who has a huge garden, and she will not no longer have a garden. She'll be basically living in a canyon because this is her south light. And she is a very elderly lady, big a Ukrainian lady who has her whole backyard is garden. This is gonna destroy that. This will destroy her food supply." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 19806.965, "end": 19809.465, "text": "Back to my pictures. This house" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 19810.645, "end": 19812.445, "text": "does that automatically adjust?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 19812.825, "end": 19815.225, "text": "Okay, so this house right here," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 19815.645, "end": 19836.825, "text": "a 1905 build, it's 120, the screens aren't on. It's 100 and 116 years old. It has this apparently here, this stone fence. I was told by an elderly neighbor 20 years ago that that was built by prison gangs. Those those pipes in the in the front between the pillars were where they tied up the horses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 19837.565, "end": 19863.645, "text": "Um and this actually has a full concrete basement. And we think it's because the longest owning uh or before before my husband, the longest owning uh owner of that, his name was Craig was his last name. And uh his daughter married the son of this house right here. This is the uh Jeffrey's house, and Jeffries are the family they were, they owned the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 19864.965, "end": 19868.065, "text": "uh gravel pits and and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 19868.205, "end": 19963.365, "text": "In in I think it was just off Inglewood, I don't know exactly, but they donated the Inglewood uh property, the Ingwood Bird Sanctuary property, and they never named the city chose not to name the Inglewood Bird Sanctuary after the Jeffries because Colonel McLeod's house is there, and apparently he's quite important and they're not so important. It was not until the Jeffrey's son, the last son, was in his 90s, that they decided to have a ceremony and they carried, they named the slough after the family. So the it's called Jeffrey's Pond, and that's in that's in Inglewood Bird Sanctuary. So they got the slough. So if we ever get, if we ever get the if it does happen that we get that train station, please call it Jeffries Park Station, because the park across the road is called Jeffreys Park. And there's been attempts to develop it until they realized that it was on the historic inventory, this park right here, and it was maintained by the Jeffries family as a skating rink for for many years because every house in the neighborhood had six or eight or more kids in it. And so they had a skating rink. And with their own time and effort and machinery, they built a skating rink in that park. So please, we've asked for it to be signed, but the city tells us raise $1,200, and then we'll put a sign there at that historic park. And there they want to chew it up for the Green Line Station, as you as you heard. So hopefully that doesn't happen. This house is next door. The concrete basement here, this house has actually a dugout basement, and it's a few years younger than this 1905 build here. So we think that's because of the relationship between the daughter marrying the son of the Jeffries family, who had concrete and and gravel pit business, but we're not sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 19964.505, "end": 19965.385, "text": "Up the street." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 19965.545, "end": 20017.645, "text": "This house right here bought by the uh father of the current owner who was uh I believe he worked for CP, but uh the current owner still he as far as I know he's never moved from that house and now he's an older man and his brother has moved in there too. So he and his brother still lived there. When they bought that house, his dad didn't understand mortgages, and his father uh got paid for the house, thought he was done paying for it, and then got another bill and was like, what the heck? And his his son, who is going to school and really good at math, told him about mortgages, so he realized he had to keep paying after that. This house next door, it they wanted to tear it down and rebuild, but uh they realized that they wouldn't have to be able to use the same location, they'd have to set it over a foot because a hundred and some years ago the city put a um surveying establishing point for the whole neighborhood." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20017.505, "end": 20019.485, "text": "Sanoy, you're you're unfortunately you're at time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20019.485, "end": 20030.885, "text": "I am. Hey? Okay. I wanted to show you the the alleyway, the twelve foot alleyway and the one on uh uh by the black and white. Oh so this is the one from black and white, and that's twelve foot. And I've got" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20030.885, "end": 20035.145, "text": "Unfortunately, you're at time, and I just have to enforce the rules fairly for everybody." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20035.265, "end": 20036.345, "text": "too much storytelling." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20036.365, "end": 20039.205, "text": "Are there any council members who may have questions for Ms. Sanoy?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20041.005, "end": 20041.625, "text": "Councillor Shabot?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 20045.025, "end": 20048.925, "text": "Uh yeah, Ms. Savoy, would you mind showing us that 12 foot alley?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20048.925, "end": 20089.285, "text": "Yes. So this is I'll show you the one out behind our house. Or sorry, behind in that in that in that alleyway. So this is that one. This this property right here where this uh wood fence is, that's the back of the of the property in we're talking about. And this is a very narrow alleyway alleyway. And down halfway, about halfway down the alleyway, there was a fire, the garage fire a few years ago, and the emergency vehicles could barely get in there. And when they actually left, um they had to back out because they couldn't get out the front way because the streets are too narrow. Not just the alleyways, or street, I think they had to do a 20 point turn to get in there for the fire." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 20089.285, "end": 20091.025, "text": "Pole that I see there. Is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20091.125, "end": 20091.585, "text": "Sorry?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 20091.685, "end": 20093.465, "text": "is that an electrical pole I see right in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20093.465, "end": 20139.225, "text": "Yes, that's an electrical pole. The electropol poles are down there. There's only like 12 feet there. It's really, really narrow. The the black and white one, it it's an atrocious build too. There's they tried to rent that property for each of those units. On the black and white, there's 11 units there. Oh, sorry, that's the wrong picture. But they tried to rent those units for $4,600 and they've had to uh cut back on how much rent they wanted. But those tall buildings, same sort of design, those tall buildings are are um overlooking these houses on this side on 17th Avenue face the avenue. And this house faces the street. And then they have um 11 units, and they're very, very tall, and they look into the backyards of the houses that face the avenue." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20140.065, "end": 20155.485, "text": "So that's really unfair to those people and nobody listened when they because we gotta have density, but how much how good is uh low income housing and density at forty six hundred dollars a month? And I think I've I heard rumor that they were going to Airbnb, but I have not confirmed that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 20156.485, "end": 20160.645, "text": "uh was there any other slides you wanted to share with us that didn't give a chance to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20160.645, "end": 20253.285, "text": "Yes, so this is at the end of the street. This house is directly across the alley from where um from where the new development is. And this is also another very senior lady who lives here, and her whole yard is her whole backyard is is garden as well. And like I said, that 12-foot halley, that's or 12, it's going to be a problem. This this lot right here is actually owned by you, um, by the city. They bought this to make way for the green line when when one of the versions of the green line, and because of that establishing surveying establishing mark I I told you about, this this fence appears to be your property, city property, and it's falling down. And so it would be wonderful for granny who lives there if they would, if they would, if the city would rebuild their fence there, because it's literally rotting and falling down. But we're pretty sure because of that establishing line, that incorrect established point, it was a foot off, right? And that was over a hundred years ago. And um almost all of the neighbor the houses in this whole section where the city made that surveying error, are are we own our north fence, but not our, or sorry, we own our south, however. This one's yours. We own one of our fences and the other one's on their their property, on uh the owner's property. And some of us are our houses actually go up to that right to that property line. And so it's actually a s can be a problem for development or redevelopment or." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 20253.285, "end": 20257.145, "text": "think you raised some interesting questions that uh have to address with administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20257.145, "end": 20257.625, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 20257.625, "end": 20258.405, "text": "All my questions. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20258.405, "end": 20261.205, "text": "Okay. Just don't come for my friends." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20263.345, "end": 20266.165, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Shabot. Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20266.705, "end": 20267.805, "text": "Thank you, your worship." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 20268.065, "end": 20268.825, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 20269.545, "end": 20298.885, "text": "huge thank you for the history. Like I really appreciate it. I honestly I wish that every public hearing applicant or or or or speaker brought forward uh uh some element of history related to it because uh it is great to be able to see uh how much history is in this neighborhood and how that may impact our decision in front of us today. So my my question is uh the lot that's in front of us today that we're talking about, 1103 9th Street Southeast, are you aware of any historical uh uh anything of of note on that particular property?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20299.225, "end": 20322.305, "text": "I'm not. I am aware that some of the houses, like I think it's a is it a 1950s build? I'm not exactly sure, but some of those were moved from Eau Claire to our neighborhood when Eaure was redeveloped and they moved all the houses off of their or door tore them down. So for Eau Claire development, some of those were actually moved into Ramsey and are still there. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 20322.345, "end": 20360.205, "text": "Thank you. And maybe I'll just use this as a short opportunity just to say a reminder in terms of the Calgary's Historic Asset Register is a owner-driven process. So for anybody in this particular neighborhood or any other neighborhood whereby uh you're looking to have your uh your home preserved, highly recommend. Great example, and you brought up on the screen, highly recommend that uh uh you have a conversation with those neighbors, let them know the process because they're the only ones who can add something to the historical register. It's their property, and uh if they'd like it preserved, we'd absolutely love to help them with that process uh through Heritage Calgary. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_22", "start": 20360.205, "end": 20369.065, "text": "This one is actually the oldest house on the Calgary um for for working class homes on the Calgary Historic Inventory, yeah." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20372.885, "end": 20376.125, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Kelly. Any other questions for the speaker?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20379.345, "end": 20383.385, "text": "Seeing none, we'll move through our speaker's list. Do we have Art Matsui with us?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20393.865, "end": 20396.505, "text": "I I I have some slides if you could put them up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20397.225, "end": 20397.945, "text": "The first slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20414.025, "end": 20414.605, "text": "Yes, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20415.625, "end": 20418.065, "text": "If you could zoom it in a a little bit, that would be nice." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20418.425, "end": 20420.125, "text": "Zoom in on which uh portion?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20421.245, "end": 20421.545, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20422.205, "end": 20424.765, "text": "the development. There's a a picture of the development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20426.885, "end": 20427.205, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 20427.605, "end": 20429.345, "text": "And just to clarify what we're looking at, we're looking" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20429.345, "end": 20431.045, "text": "Just a vertical view of the lot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20432.305, "end": 20434.745, "text": "no, this is this is from the plans that they" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20434.745, "end": 20434.945, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20435.485, "end": 20437.845, "text": "um submitted for their DP. This is," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20438.865, "end": 20440.245, "text": "you know, we're not talking about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20442.305, "end": 20447.785, "text": "uh a land use change, you know, before DP. This is a land use change because of DP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20448.045, "end": 20448.525, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20449.085, "end": 20449.505, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20450.045, "end": 20452.805, "text": "This is the second iteration of their DP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20454.045, "end": 20459.865, "text": "I'll get into that in a bit. So my name is Art Matsui. I'm a resident of Ramsey in Ward 9." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20461.625, "end": 20465.025, "text": "If this council is serious about repealing blanket rezoning," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20465.565, "end": 20479.745, "text": "they will vote against LOC 2025 0177 policy amendment to the Ramsey ARP to allow for a multifamily development which will enable DP 2025 02899 to go ahead." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20480.445, "end": 20486.785, "text": "DPs like this are the worst consequence of the previous council's implementation of blanket rezoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20487.545, "end": 20494.285, "text": "This is it. A DP for which planning admits is the biggest nightmare from the failed blanket rezoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20495.165, "end": 20503.145, "text": "Two duplexes stack back to back with secondary suites, mid block on a single lot." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20504.185, "end": 20510.745, "text": "An eightplex on a single residential lot with two double garages on the alley. Could I have slide two, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20513.825, "end": 20514.025, "text": "Oh," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20515.145, "end": 20516.405, "text": "back one. Yeah, there we go." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20519.785, "end": 20522.845, "text": "Eight residents with four parking spots? Maybe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20523.665, "end": 20529.145, "text": "How do two units share two double garages? See the east elevation?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20530.305, "end": 20534.405, "text": "Which brings the questions that everybody complained about during blanket rezoning." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20534.965, "end": 20537.885, "text": "Where do the cars from eight units park?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20538.265, "end": 20541.525, "text": "Where do 24 waste and recycling bins go?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20541.925, "end": 20544.085, "text": "What happens on garbage day in the alley?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20545.185, "end": 20552.645, "text": "What happens to my garden when there's a duplex to the south of me where my garden is? Could you go back to slide one, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20554.885, "end": 20561.625, "text": "Can the utilities in my aging neighborhood handle the increase of 8 to 10 units on single lots?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20562.265, "end": 20567.325, "text": "This is a question the expert panel brought up in the BPSFM failure report." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20568.605, "end": 20574.925, "text": "Now, for local context, from me, a neighbor who has lived down the alley for the past 33 years." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20576.125, "end": 20583.445, "text": "Ramsey is a historic neighborhood, the original suburb to Inklewoods downtown. Our house is 120 years old." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20584.465, "end": 20598.045, "text": "Our wastewater runs through Bellant Spigot Clay Pipe. On my street, the street behind, 10th Street, after decades of sewage backups, the city came up with a solution to spray line the clay pipe." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20598.885, "end": 20601.845, "text": "There is now a decrease in capacity for wastewater." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20603.225, "end": 20619.985, "text": "Our water is fed by three quarter inch pipe. The house directly to the east still has lead service, and the city will not replace their side of the service unless the 95 year old senior comes up with $15,000 to replace her side of the service." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20621.085, "end": 20627.605, "text": "Our electricity is serviced by overhead lines in the alley, and my house started out with 65 amps surface." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20629.545, "end": 20630.345, "text": "To the north" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20631.305, "end": 20637.225, "text": "of the Aplex is Granny, in a small bungalow who still gardens with a huge vegetable garden," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20638.185, "end": 20645.145, "text": "which she plants with garlic, onions, and potatoes every year for as long as I can remember. Could you go to slide three, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20649.045, "end": 20656.145, "text": "Now shading her southern sun from her garden will be a 10 meter wall, stealing one of her remaining joys." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20657.085, "end": 20658.985, "text": "The north elevation is what you'll see." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20660.345, "end": 20668.445, "text": "Fortunately for Granny, the city has a program for seniors to age in place, and the city clears her snow, cuts her grass, and built her new fence." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20669.825, "end": 20679.525, "text": "To the east of the 8plex is a 95 year old senior who also has a huge vegetable garden but will soon have a lot filling complex stealing her western son." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20680.925, "end": 20684.205, "text": "Unfortunately, both ladies will not be here for much longer." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20684.565, "end": 20688.285, "text": "But the legacy of this 8-plex will remain. Slide one, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20689.905, "end": 20704.705, "text": "Even though blanket rezoning will probably be repealed next March, we on this block will have the precedent of mid block 8plexes or five townhouse units with secondary suites, as was originally planned in the CP." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20705.405, "end": 20712.945, "text": "So when these ladies move on, their adjacent lots will be sold, and developers can easily argue for similar developments." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20713.565, "end": 20717.225, "text": "I call this block busting. Others call it zoning by creep." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_47", "start": 20718.125, "end": 20734.025, "text": "Please vote no for LOC 2025-0177, policy amendment to the Ramsey ARP to allow for a multifamily development, which will allow the failed blanket rezoning to live on in Ramsey forever. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20735.565, "end": 20739.785, "text": "Thank you. Any qua questions from members of council for Mr. Matsui?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20742.785, "end": 20744.345, "text": "Seeing none, thank you for being with us." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20744.825, "end": 20746.365, "text": "Do we have Aaron Luca with us?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20755.925, "end": 20757.025, "text": "Thanks so much for your patience." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20758.305, "end": 20766.445, "text": "Hello, Marin Council. My name's Erin Luca, and I appreciate the opportunity to speak in opposition to item 7.2.8." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20767.125, "end": 20774.945, "text": "I don't know how much I can add to what my neighbors have already offered you. So forgive me for reiterating some of those points." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20775.185, "end": 20792.325, "text": "To start things off, I want to acknowledge the broader goals behind this proposal. And I understand the increasing that increasing housing supply and exploring additional density opportunities are important considerations for growing and developing cities, particularly in inner city neighborhoods like ours." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20792.905, "end": 20802.445, "text": "That said, I and my neighbors and my family all have several concerns about this specific proposal and its suitability for our neighborhood and for the location." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20803.425, "end": 20840.965, "text": "The lot in question is a mid-block site that currently contains a single-family detached home. The proposed redevelopment would introduce four primary suites, each with a secondary suite, resulting in eight new dwelling units on a mid-sized block. That represents a substantial increase in density that is not consistent with the established character of the surrounding neighborhood. Despite what has been said in terms of there being a, I think it said a 40% multifamily dwelling, it is hard to imagine that when you actually walk through my neighborhood because the vast majority of the homes in the neighborhood, at least on the surface, appear to be single family dwellings." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20842.065, "end": 20845.885, "text": "On that note, there are the occasional duplex, of course." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20846.785, "end": 20856.885, "text": "But it's also worth noting that the east side of 9th Street, where this house is located, I believe, is comprised entirely of single family homes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20857.585, "end": 20873.725, "text": "That consistency has fostered a strong sense of community where neighbors know each other, we get together, we talk to each other, families stay long term. As you've heard, there are many of us that have lived in the neighborhood for decades." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20876.365, "end": 20886.825, "text": "We have a common respect for each other, for the community, and for our shared spaces. A development of this intensity risks an abrupt disruption to that community fabric." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20888.085, "end": 20905.185, "text": "And aside from the extreme increase in the streets density, the positioning of the buildings as they relate to the street streetscape leaves no room, really, for a front yard, meaning that these proposed eight new families will have little, if any, motivation or opportunity to interact with the rest of the community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20906.885, "end": 20918.985, "text": "From a design perspective, the sighting places a structure very close to the sidewalk, which is out of keeping with the existing setbacks on the block. And that change will alter the look and feel of the street and create a visual break from the surrounding homes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20920.345, "end": 20925.885, "text": "Parking, as has been mentioned, is another key issue. I won't waste your time in getting into it, but eight" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20926.425, "end": 20935.105, "text": "with only four carpet garages is a huge concern, particularly on a street that actually has issues during, you know, flames games." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20936.925, "end": 20950.245, "text": "In an attempt to maximize the use of the land, the developer has chosen to include three buildings in the design, pushing the garage back as far as possible in tight proximity to garages directly across the alley, which raises practical concerns that have already been mentioned." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20951.025, "end": 20970.245, "text": "And finally, there is the question of infrastructure, as we are all currently aware of. Our neighborhood relies on aging water, sewer, and utility systems that were designed to serve low-density residential use. A significant increase in density of this nature, without upgrades to accommodate, may place additional strain on these systems." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_12", "start": 20971.605, "end": 20986.005, "text": "In closing, while I support the idea of increased densification, I struggle to see how this mid-block development is a good choice for our neighborhood. I sincerely hope that you will vote in opposition." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20987.165, "end": 20991.565, "text": "Thank you so much, Ms. Luca. Are there any questions from council members?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20994.345, "end": 20996.305, "text": "Seeing none, thanks for being here with us." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 20997.925, "end": 21005.985, "text": "We are still on 7.2.8 uh Ramsey during the public hearing. Is there any other people in the audience who would like to speak to this item?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21009.765, "end": 21012.065, "text": "Anyone on the line who would like to speak to it?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21015.205, "end": 21019.345, "text": "All right. Hearing none, going once, going twice, we will close our public hearing." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21019.965, "end": 21020.345, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21020.625, "end": 21023.005, "text": "Council, can I have your uh" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21023.225, "end": 21024.705, "text": "universal consent to" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21024.865, "end": 21026.245, "text": "Conclude with this item." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21027.745, "end": 21030.125, "text": "Alright, seeing no opposition, we will conclude" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21030.565, "end": 21032.485, "text": "with this item and then go to our break." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21034.245, "end": 21036.065, "text": "Alright, uh Councillor Kelly for admin." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21037.445, "end": 21039.385, "text": "for your worship. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21039.785, "end": 21067.225, "text": "Admin, we we've seen uh I think by my count, this is about the third or fourth one of these that we've seen in in uh Ramsey and or Inglewood uh changes to the ARP since we've started as as a new council. Uh I don't think I can let it go by without asking the same question that I ask every single time we do this, which is do we have an ETA for when there will be an LAP for this particular area? And yes, I'm speaking in code, apparently." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21069.905, "end": 21082.105, "text": "We will have some forthcoming announcements about the next tranche of local area plans that will be coming forward. So council should look forward to having meetings with administration over the next week or so, and you should hear about this by the next public hearing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21082.465, "end": 21099.045, "text": "Thank you very much, because I think that uh the the fact that we are asking applicants and uh neighbors to come every single time to uh on in these areas that have older area redevelopment plans, uh asking them to come and sort of defend what's you know uh what's gonna like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21099.345, "end": 21117.285, "text": "This can all be solved simply by having a local area plan conversation as a community because uh at that point we can have everyone involved in the conversation and not just the people who are most affected on on one particular site. We can facilitate a larger conversation. So um thank you very much. Shidmin." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21121.065, "end": 21123.725, "text": "Thank you, Councillor. Over to Councillor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21124.925, "end": 21129.425, "text": "Thank you. I guess I gotta be a bit quicker next time because I actually wanted to ask the same thing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21130.005, "end": 21148.545, "text": "As we've seen now, council colleagues, uh many of my communities are living with 30, uh, 30 year old ARPs, and uh they have to come and sort of defend themselves every single time for every single development. And frankly, it's not really fair to either party. Um, you know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21149.205, "end": 21161.285, "text": "Everybody involved in this situation is is left uh to sort of fend for themselves, and and that's really disappointing. So I'm glad to hear that we've got something coming perhaps by next. Do you mind just repeating that, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21162.385, "end": 21168.065, "text": "We can't commit to anything right now, but we will be making announcements in the next month or so about where the next local area plans will be." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21168.145, "end": 21174.985, "text": "Okay, that's great. And typically, so Ramsey is set alone in its ARP, is that correct? And not connected to Inglewood." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21175.585, "end": 21187.645, "text": "Uh that would be part of what we would announce later is groupings of communities. We our preference would be to do groupings of communities at the same time. That gives us a bigger picture of the infrastructure issues and of uh more" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 21188.325, "end": 21192.785, "text": "regional level issues that can be solved with planning, as well as focusing on the local issues." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21193.365, "end": 21194.425, "text": "Very good. Thanks so much." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21197.385, "end": 21199.025, "text": "Thank you. Anyone else for admin?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21202.585, "end": 21205.565, "text": "Okay, seeing none, I'm uh gonna look to you, Councillor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21207.005, "end": 21207.765, "text": "Yeah, thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21208.465, "end": 21211.205, "text": "Um this is a uh sort of a" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21211.665, "end": 21223.285, "text": "consistency, this is a familiar scenario where we've got community coming forward, uh well organized, uh, to communicate their concerns about uh a major change in their community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21223.465, "end": 21259.285, "text": "And nobody involved seems to have the tools, like I say, to support themselves. So I campaigned on supporting and sort of protecting the integrity of these communities as we discern what the next steps are for Ward 9, or these historic neighborhoods, and density and development in general. As each and every one of these folks has said, and I've heard said on the doors countless times again, these are not communities against densification. They'd like to be participants in developing what that looks like for them. And perhaps in a month or so we'll have the chance to include them in that work. So that's very exciting." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21262.585, "end": 21265.205, "text": "I suppose this is just my open sh. I'll save the rest for close." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21265.525, "end": 21268.445, "text": "So you're you're moving it to put on the the table." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21268.485, "end": 21269.685, "text": "Okay, yes, yes, moving." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21269.685, "end": 21272.165, "text": "So move by Councillor Clark, seconded by" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21272.925, "end": 21274.305, "text": "uh Councillor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21274.525, "end": 21277.645, "text": "So it is on the floor. Any further debate on this?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21278.665, "end": 21279.305, "text": "Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21279.845, "end": 21292.265, "text": "Yeah, I just want to reiterate what I had said earlier this morning to the same thing. This is another one of those cases where we have an area redevelopment plan that does not match uh uh our land use. Uh and so again, counsel, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 21293.465, "end": 21323.985, "text": "as we uh finish our public hearing on blanket rezoning and as we finish our uh uh the changes to the zoning bylaw that'll be coming to us. Once we have that done, we have to fix this. We have to align all of those documents so that they actually match so that we can stop going through this process over and over again. LAPs, zoning bylaws, they should match. Makes sense. Let's get it done uh in short order here as a council so we don't pass the buck to the next one to have to deal with this. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21324.585, "end": 21325.545, "text": "All right, Councillor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21327.405, "end": 21330.885, "text": "Uh recognizing the concerns we heard today," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21332.185, "end": 21338.505, "text": "um I think it's important that we also look into the fact that this went through the Calgary Planning Commission." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21339.105, "end": 21369.785, "text": "Was deemed to be appropriate. We've had several amendments to this ARP already, which is originally from 1994. It's safe to say Calgary in 1994 is different than Calgary in 2026. We have a housing crisis that continues to need to be addressed. And although this isn't affordable housing, this is housing that takes us closer to affordability across the entire city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21371.365, "end": 21374.025, "text": "What I'd like to keep in mind is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21374.485, "end": 21375.225, "text": "we are" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21375.505, "end": 21378.345, "text": "partially in this situation because." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21379.185, "end": 21389.085, "text": "We pushed off making these kinds of changes for so many years and have pushed development further and further out" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21389.625, "end": 21391.045, "text": "from our core," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21391.345, "end": 21397.765, "text": "which is harder for us to manage. Ultimately, these are homes for people." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21398.385, "end": 21405.605, "text": "I want to note as well, which is something that I will continue to emphasize in the future, is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21407.525, "end": 21408.905, "text": "denying something" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21409.725, "end": 21411.605, "text": "when we hear comments about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21412.365, "end": 21414.305, "text": "The fear that renters will move in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21415.465, "end": 21418.025, "text": "I don't think it's appropriate" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21418.585, "end": 21425.065, "text": "for us as a council to make the consideration that renters also don't deserve a place to live." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21425.965, "end": 21428.405, "text": "I was a renter until three and a half years ago." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21428.765, "end": 21430.705, "text": "I'm now sitting here in council." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21430.905, "end": 21437.505, "text": "Members of my staff are renters, and renters are people who need a place to live." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21437.885, "end": 21443.165, "text": "They don't deteriorate the communities around them, they're members of our community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21444.005, "end": 21456.545, "text": "I have an entire part of my ward that is made up almost entirely of renters, and certainly that part of my ward is not suffering because of that. It's flourishing because of that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21457.505, "end": 21458.105, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21458.905, "end": 21466.085, "text": "renters should never be villainized for who they are. And I would hope that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21466.565, "end": 21473.765, "text": "in future public hearings that we do not hear renters as a reason to not approve something. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21474.745, "end": 21480.445, "text": "I I'm going to support this today because it aligns with where Calgary is now" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 21481.125, "end": 21487.065, "text": "and it's a place that will provide homes for more people. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21489.905, "end": 21492.185, "text": "Thank you. Any other debate, Councillor Atkinson?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 21494.285, "end": 21507.925, "text": "Uh yeah, I I'm going to support this. I totally recognize the need for more LAPs. Uh I recognize the time that we're in with blanket rezoning. Um but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 21508.425, "end": 21569.925, "text": "Those things actually are not necessarily going to lead to less of this, right? We can have all the LAPs we want. If we repeal blanket rezoning, we just do this for anything that requires an RCG allocation. All this is is an alignment of the policy, like an ARP, that it has not been revisited, but with, you know, it has been revisited in the way of RCG zoning being applied on the whole. So this is a small thing, but I think that we as council need to recognize that we have to be able to also make the decisions in areas that do not have area redevelopment plans in the meantime, because all we will then do is stall out any efforts to actually bring local area plants to the areas that need them. So yeah, I will be voting for this today. I also appreciate some of the design considerations in terms of uh privacy. The um there it's it's interesting. We" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 21570.685, "end": 21614.985, "text": "We get a weird balance here where when the the development um application coincides with the land use, we get more information and then we pick at it in different ways. And so it's I'm not sure. I'm not sure what is better. We need that's another thing that I think we need to think about. Is like we could also just draw a block uh with the height and the you know the door on the front and and call it a day. Do we is that the level of information that we need to be held to in order to make the decision on the right sort of side of things? Whereas now when we're provided with more information, we're shown windows that have sort of privacy adjustments on the sides and these kinds of things to have clear story windows. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 21615.585, "end": 21636.645, "text": "I don't know. I don't know. I these are questions I'm I'm posing that I think I would like to have conversations with all of you about, but we're gonna have many of these conversations coming up, and I uh the idea of LAPs coming in uh is not necessarily going to shorten, I think, these conversations uh the way I see things going. Anyways, to this I will be supporting. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21638.605, "end": 21641.825, "text": "All right. No more lights. Over to Councillor Clark to close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21642.545, "end": 21643.365, "text": "Thank you very much, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21645.285, "end": 21661.245, "text": "I will just echo Councillor Schmidt's point about renters. I think that's really valuable. And just an important point to make that every one of our communities, including these historic ones, have been home to renters for since they essentially became communities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21661.585, "end": 21670.985, "text": "But that aside, I think um fundamentally, you know, Board Nine seems to have the emotional ones. The emotional. And uh, you know" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21671.845, "end": 21703.385, "text": "Nobody involved seems to have the tools they need to funct to do this properly. And so I just want to apologize to our developer here and to those that came to oppose this for that because to have policy so out of date to not support you is just in my eyes something we really do have to deal with immediately. So I also wanted to make sure that it was in public record. I've had an extensive uh back and forth. I've been invited in with the community association president." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21703.985, "end": 21730.065, "text": "Uh Mr. Delamont and so just for public record, I'd like to read just a couple of sentences that he'd put in uh and emailed to me. We wanted to make sure that our Ramsey neighbors knew we are here, know rather, that we are here, that we hear their concerns, and that we are listening and doing what we can to advocate for the community. I just wish we had a stronger foundation of a development plan and approach to stand on. But it seems like that will come in the months ahead, I sure hope." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21731.685, "end": 21750.685, "text": "I will not be supporting this. Uh sort of a first time a plex mid block in a community like this, uh, without, again, the foundational tools in place to set an appropriate boundary and tone. Uh, I just do not feel it's it's the appropriate thing for me to vote for, so I will not be supporting that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 21751.305, "end": 21752.405, "text": "Uh closed. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21752.685, "end": 21755.885, "text": "Thank you, Councillor. Madam Clerk, let's please engage the vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 21766.665, "end": 21767.945, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21768.265, "end": 21768.685, "text": "No." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 21769.165, "end": 21769.625, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 21776.305, "end": 21777.605, "text": "Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21777.945, "end": 21779.505, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 21783.345, "end": 21797.745, "text": "On the uh Ward 9 Ramsey item, the uh motion has been defeated 4 to 11, uh, with only uh Councillor Schmidt, Kelly, Dollywall, and Atkinson in favor. It's 325. We'll be back in half an hour. 355." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 23786.145, "end": 23792.945, "text": "Welcome back to the January 20, 2026 public hearing of Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the roll." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23793.545, "end": 23795.745, "text": "Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Chabot." }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Chabot", "start": 23797.625, "end": 23797.945, "text": "President." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23798.525, "end": 23799.405, "text": "Councillor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 23799.645, "end": 23800.045, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23800.105, "end": 23801.065, "text": "Councillor Dolly Wall." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23803.345, "end": 23804.305, "text": "Councillor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Jamieson", "start": 23805.125, "end": 23805.525, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23805.765, "end": 23806.805, "text": "Councillor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23809.065, "end": 23809.885, "text": "Councillor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "Councillor L. Johnston", "start": 23810.165, "end": 23810.665, "text": "Yes, sorry." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23810.665, "end": 23811.425, "text": "Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 23811.825, "end": 23812.325, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23812.485, "end": 23813.305, "text": "Councillor McLean." }, { "speaker": "Councillor D. McLean", "start": 23814.285, "end": 23814.785, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23814.965, "end": 23816.345, "text": "Councillor Pantozopoulos," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 23816.445, "end": 23816.825, "text": "Present." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23817.205, "end": 23817.965, "text": "Councillor Schmidt," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23818.445, "end": 23819.565, "text": "Councillor Tyres," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23820.025, "end": 23820.985, "text": "Councillor Ward," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23821.285, "end": 23822.425, "text": "Councillor Wyness," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23823.345, "end": 23824.205, "text": "Councillor Ewell," }, { "speaker": "Councillor A. Yule", "start": 23824.565, "end": 23824.785, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23824.945, "end": 23826.205, "text": "Councillor Atkinson," }, { "speaker": "Councillor M. Atkinson", "start": 23826.205, "end": 23826.445, "text": "Here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23826.485, "end": 23827.645, "text": "and Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 23827.865, "end": 23828.365, "text": "I'm here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 23828.385, "end": 23829.005, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 23831.065, "end": 23835.465, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Pomeranki. I think we're still with you for 7.2.9." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23837.145, "end": 23849.145, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. My last item today is 7.2.9, which is a land use amendment application to allow for multi residential development, approximately six stories in height. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23849.845, "end": 23870.485, "text": "The recommendation before you is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 10 D 2026 to redesignate the site located at 7220 17th Avenue Southeast to revise the floor area ratio and height modifiers listed on the site's existing multi-residential, high-density, low-rise district. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23871.805, "end": 23890.385, "text": "The subject site is located in the southeast community of Applewood Park, near the interchange of 17th Avenue Southeast and Stony Trail. The site is directly north of Elliston Park, is located directly beside a Max Purple Express bus station, and is across Stony Trail from the East Hills Shopping Center. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23891.445, "end": 23918.745, "text": "The site is currently undeveloped, as shown here. Site access currently comes from 17th Ave, however, because 17th is divided as it enters the interchange to the east, future development will not be permitted to access 17th Avenue directly. Access is intended to be provided from 70th Street to the west, which would require an access easement across the neighboring parcel to the west. To the east of the site is a storm pond, which is not intended for public use. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23919.905, "end": 23938.125, "text": "Surrounding land uses consist of the transportation and utility corridor shown in purple to the east and medium density development in the form of three-story townhouses and four-story apartments shown in brown to the north. Two auto-oriented commercial uses are shown in pink just to the west. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23939.225, "end": 23964.985, "text": "This application proposes to maintain the site's existing MH1 designation, which is intended to support relatively tall, higher density multi residential development. This proposal would change the district's modifiers to allow for a maximum floor area ratio of 2.5, which is an increase from the current FAR of 1.8. It would also allow for a maximum height of 22 meters, which is a two meter increase from what is currently allowed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23965.665, "end": 23981.505, "text": "The uses, building form, height, and density all align with the rules of the East Calgary International Avenue Community's local area plan, and the site is within the core zone for the transit area around the 70th Street MAX bus station. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_26", "start": 23982.345, "end": 23992.365, "text": "In closing, this application would allow for the continued development of multi residential housing in an appropriate location. Calgary Planning Commission supports the proposal and recommends Council's approval. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 23993.445, "end": 24000.525, "text": "Thank you. We will move to the public hearing for 7.2.9 for Applewood Park. Do we have the applicant with us?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24011.105, "end": 24022.365, "text": "Thank you, Honorable Mayor Farkas and Councillors, for allowing us to present the proposed multi-residential project at 7220 17th Avenue, Southeast. If we could just bring up our presentation" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24024.405, "end": 24025.205, "text": "with the slides." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24037.725, "end": 24054.045, "text": "Thank you. I am Tyler Sang, PMN Associate, and this is Stephen Bartok, Principal of Keystone Architecture. I'll present the first half and Stephen will present the latter half. No PeerCon Group, our project manager, is also in attendance and has helped to facilitate and guide the project to date. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24056.105, "end": 24088.345, "text": "The project is located in the neighborhood of Applewood Park at the east edge edge of the city, near the intersection of Stoney Trail and 17th Avenue Southeast. Immediately surrounding the site are existing multifamily dwellings ranging from four story apartments to townhouses and a small commercial site to the west. This site, along with its immediate neighbor to the west, are the last two sites to be developed and bring needed housing options to the neighborhood and city. Note to the proximity to East Hills commercial retail shopping to the east across Stony Trail. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24089.765, "end": 24116.985, "text": "The development is a six-story wood frame multi-residential building atop one layer of concrete underground parking. There is also a total of 203 rental units with a broad mix of one, two, and three bed units to accommodate a variety of families. The project has gone through land use redesignation, community outreach, and is currently under DP review. And as noted previously, has an increase of FAR from 1.8 to 2.5 for much needed housing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24117.705, "end": 24118.625, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24120.725, "end": 24142.845, "text": "The site relies on mutual access agreements from sites directly to the west and north. Primary vehicular access is from the northwest, while there is a breezeway to the south, which doubles as a secondary emergency fire route, and everyday amenity as a large pedestrian sidewalk connection to the three meter regional pathway along 17th Avenue Southeast. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24144.885, "end": 24155.905, "text": "As you enter the northwest, at the northwest corner, the ramp to the parquade resides straight ahead. There are 14 surface visitor parking stalls and in-ground mollusks bins for waste and recycling." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24156.605, "end": 24165.245, "text": "The courtyard is delineated with raised planters filled with planting for a welcoming feel, and the main entry is inviting, a double story volume on the east wing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24165.925, "end": 24173.005, "text": "This main floor plan shows tidy, livable unit layouts with large units at corners and spacious patios at grade throughout." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24174.065, "end": 24175.025, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24177.345, "end": 24197.845, "text": "Some items of note on the typical floor plans include that the second floor is separated by the two-story breezeway, hence there are two sets of exit stairs. You'll see in the renderings later efforts are made to make these stairs more transparent so the main connecting path is well lit. Like the main floor, large units are at the corners, and large spacious balconies provide views throughout." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24198.505, "end": 24199.425, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24202.325, "end": 24216.425, "text": "There's one story, one level of underground parkade where 161 vehicles can reside and 208 bike stalls for residents. And now I'll hand off to Stephen to present the architecture of the elevations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24216.785, "end": 24217.765, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24219.945, "end": 24278.725, "text": "Oh, Steve Ibartok, Keystone Architecture. I'll try not to reiterate too much in terms of what planning and what Tyler's iterated, but more talk about the arc uh the architecture so we can see more than just plans. So the intent of the massing of this building is to uh sort of face it onto 17th to create an urban edge, not to the north, so that we're not going to be shadowing or impeding view on any of the neighbors to the east or to the north. As well as you can see the two-story breezeway facing south allows light and access and amenity sort of for the people to use off the street and to penetrate through when it's not being used, which is very seldomly for fire trucks. So here you can see the south elevation in terms of the breaking up, I won't use massing instead of articulation of the overall size of a building in the neighborhood so that it feels more of its place and uses some colors and tones that are further to the east, primarily of brick, uh cementitious panel, and glass." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24279.205, "end": 24290.825, "text": "So on this elevation, you can see the bookends on both sides to try to sort of frame in the building as well as sort of a central feature to centralize the building itself. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24291.865, "end": 24307.245, "text": "This is sort of a worm's eye view of you can start to see into that amenity space at ground space at ground level, as well as how the building feels up above so it doesn't sort of overpower you overpower you with how much verticality is in this building design. If we flip to the next slide." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24308.825, "end": 24337.145, "text": "This is the interior courtyard view looking back from the north to the south. So you can see on the right side the two-story penetration, so allows light and access. And then to the left side, you can see a two-story volume of glass, which is the primary entry that we worked on with planning. And then you can see the parquet entry to the bottom left as well. So you can see how the architecture travels all the way around the building itself and doesn't sort of lose some of the intent on the interior facing elevations." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24337.905, "end": 24340.525, "text": "So thank you very much for your time, and we're here for any questions." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24341.485, "end": 24343.485, "text": "Thank you. Any questions for the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24344.765, "end": 24345.345, "text": "Councillor Shabot?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24349.045, "end": 24351.805, "text": "Uh yes, thank you for being here and for your presentation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24352.785, "end": 24354.365, "text": "You made reference to um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24355.025, "end": 24357.425, "text": "uh improving the uh pedestrian connectivity," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24358.025, "end": 24360.165, "text": "um, Applewood Park specifically on the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24360.685, "end": 24361.825, "text": "northeast corner of this site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24362.325, "end": 24364.225, "text": "There's the the pathway." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24364.645, "end": 24365.605, "text": "along Stony" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24366.085, "end": 24368.705, "text": "that comes to a dead end. You've got that chain link fence there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24369.045, "end": 24370.905, "text": "It's the intent to connect into that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24371.105, "end": 24373.165, "text": "and to go in and through your site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24375.045, "end": 24382.365, "text": "Not currently, not at the northeast corner, but we connect along at the at the southeast corner along the three-meter regional pathway." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24382.805, "end": 24383.505, "text": "Connect to one." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24383.505, "end": 24385.425, "text": "Flip back to our site plan. You can see how we've been" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24385.425, "end": 24432.325, "text": "Just to your site plan. Yes, yes. Because there is maybe I'll ask my own transportation department because uh Applewood Park has a pathway that runs along Stony and it terminates just on the northeast corner of this site, just kind of up that embankment. There's a slight um elevation change there, and it would be nice if we could create that connectivity to that somehow through this development. Um, so again, I'll ask the Transportation Department about that. Um, the 70th Street specifically is quite congested, and I'm happy to hear that you've got some sort of an agreement now with your adjacent neighbors with regards to site access because that was always the issue on the site. So this is a long term agreement, I assume, with both your adjacent neighbors, right? North and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24432.665, "end": 24433.345, "text": "West." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24434.225, "end": 24434.625, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24435.185, "end": 24440.025, "text": "Yeah, because that was always part of the challenge with developing this site. Is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24440.025, "end": 24441.345, "text": "changed as we move forward as well." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24441.685, "end": 24461.605, "text": "okay? And it's not just that, because 70th Street and and we have in our package a submission from an adjacent neighbor concerned about that interface there, specifically at 70th Street, and how it's going to access your site. And have you entered into any kind of discussions as to how that will be mitigated? Because it's already congested there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24462.105, "end": 24470.685, "text": "Yeah, so we have a traffic engineer on board and they've done terms of reference with with mobility and there's been some off site elements within this application that address that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24470.885, "end": 24480.885, "text": "Okay, good. All right. Um, yeah, no, I'm happy to see this site getting developed or even proposed to be developed because it's been sitting vacant for a long time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24481.345, "end": 24487.165, "text": "And there's not necessarily the best activities that's going on on that site. So it would be nice to see something happen there" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24487.645, "end": 24489.865, "text": "so that we don't have any of this negative" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24490.085, "end": 24495.665, "text": "um uses uh continue on on that site. So no further questions for me. Thank you very much. Thank you for being here." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24495.745, "end": 24496.505, "text": "Thank you for your questions." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24498.925, "end": 24500.245, "text": "All right, Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 24502.125, "end": 24513.085, "text": "Uh you you mentioned the two story breezeway as like a uh uh an element for fire. Uh could can you just speak to that a little bit more? Just uh yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24513.325, "end": 24521.245, "text": "That's right. For any uh apartment building beyond 100 units, we need to have two means of access. And so, you know," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_28", "start": 24521.885, "end": 24541.725, "text": "we were it was proposed to have access off of 17th Avenue, but not as a primary means of access, just secondary. So we'd have pin ballage along there. But we thought, you know, why not have it accessible by a fire truck, but also use it every day for pedestrians and create like this large visual connection as well as everyday sidewalk that links to the three meter regional pathway. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24542.225, "end": 24545.265, "text": "The residents kind of get a free amenity space because of a fire truck." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 24545.265, "end": 24545.645, "text": "Gotcha." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24545.645, "end": 24552.165, "text": "So it's not going to be treated asphalt, it'll have pavers, it'll have like we sort of landscaped up to not look necessarily like a fire lane." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 24552.385, "end": 24560.525, "text": "And this is because of the limited site access, because of the single road coming in off of 70th there? You need the second way in." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24560.525, "end": 24560.945, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 24561.385, "end": 24565.845, "text": "Great. Cool, cool solution to the problem. Love it. Thank you. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24568.305, "end": 24568.825, "text": "Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 24570.445, "end": 24596.365, "text": "Thank you, Your Worship. This is I could ask the question of you, but it might be a little bit more of a question to admin. I just wanted to I wanted to chat a little bit about the interface with the property to the north. The reason why is because like maybe it's a bit of a pet peeve, whatever, whatever it is in general." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 24597.145, "end": 24621.845, "text": "Developments with like a strip of concrete curb between the two of them, and you can't get from one to the other, and it doesn't make a huge a huge amount of sense to me in terms of like it made sense on paper, but it doesn't make sense in the real world when people go back and forth. So, for example, that breezeway that you have lines up really quite nicely with by the way, apologies, I know that we're here talking about land use, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 24622.085, "end": 24626.945, "text": "If you give us a development permit drawing, don't be surprised if we ask questions about the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24626.945, "end": 24628.005, "text": "Broad elevation." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 24628.005, "end": 24656.185, "text": "Yeah. Um it lines up quite nicely with some of the uh some of the pedestrian infrastructure that's on the property to the north, but just looking at your elevation, like you have parking spaces across and it's a curb and there's no no intersect uh intersection there. I'm just wondering if you could like just speak a little bit to the rationale for uh having a conversation with the neighbor to the west about an easement rather than a conversation with the neighbor to the north about interface as it relates to them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24658.105, "end": 24687.545, "text": "Yeah, so I think the challenge of that is having those those agreements in place as we developed and move forward. It is to the west, so we're gonna come we're gonna come to the west, not to the north, from where we currently are situated in the design and how we're gonna actually come out onto those main roads rather than load into what's existing with that existing the challenge of that curve that you're talking about is there's parking there for the for the other building. So in order for us to do that, we would impede on their ability to park and live in their own building. So it's we're" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24689.545, "end": 24703.685, "text": "This design has challenges on all on all like all property lines. There's nothing kind of easy. We try to get the density that we need to make it actually buildable. So that was one of the interfaces we probably were sort of handcuffed from a constraint perspective if that answers your question." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 24705.605, "end": 24724.585, "text": "Yeah, I I I don't think it does, but it's kind of what I was expecting your answer to be. If that if that makes sense. Uh, you know, maybe I'll ask admin when we get a chance, just you know, effectively it's like how do we how do we create an extension to 16th Avenue Southeast without creating an extension to 16th Avenue Southeast?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24724.585, "end": 24727.225, "text": "And impose that on you, you guys should extend your vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 24727.505, "end": 24729.045, "text": "Yeah, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 24729.365, "end": 24735.785, "text": "Do you have a good relationship with the neighbors to the west? Like, could I basically what I'm asking is like, do you own that property as well, or does some someone else?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24736.125, "end": 24743.645, "text": "Our our our client does, I believe, does not own that property, correct? No. I do believe there is a fairly good relationship, but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_40", "start": 24744.185, "end": 24744.925, "text": "don't know for sure." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 24745.265, "end": 24747.185, "text": "I'll leave it there then. Thank you. Appreciate it." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24749.045, "end": 24750.505, "text": "Thank you. Any other questions?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24753.245, "end": 24755.145, "text": "Seeing none, thank you so much for being with us." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24755.605, "end": 24759.645, "text": "Anyone else wish to speak to this item 7.2.9" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24759.985, "end": 24760.645, "text": "Topwood Park." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24763.025, "end": 24764.485, "text": "Anyone on the line for this item?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24767.425, "end": 24769.825, "text": "Hearing none, we will close the public hearing." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 24770.765, "end": 24771.985, "text": "Going over to you, Councillor Shabu." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24774.485, "end": 24775.265, "text": "Thank you. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24776.145, "end": 24777.425, "text": "my apologies for uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24777.885, "end": 24779.865, "text": "weighing in on this particular property. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24780.425, "end": 24780.625, "text": "am" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24781.145, "end": 24783.125, "text": "Quite familiar with with this site. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24783.325, "end": 24785.405, "text": "represented this area for about 12 years so." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24787.065, "end": 24787.765, "text": "The um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24788.285, "end": 24790.405, "text": "the question I had, so 16th Avenue, I know" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24790.685, "end": 24792.185, "text": "to the north, that road" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24792.465, "end": 24813.145, "text": "does not connect onto these sites because there's a significant grades um elevation uh variation there. So so pedest from an automobile connectivity, we know that doesn't connect, uh not to this area, but uh pedestrians as was suggested, um I I guess is there an opportunity to connect into Applewood community from this site from a pedestrian perspective?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 24815.285, "end": 24829.825, "text": "Through the chair, Tom Hopkins Development Engineering. Which exact portion were you referring to, Councillor Chabok? Because there is a pathway that connects up to uh the east west uh rotary uh greenway that hooks up into Stony Trail." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24829.945, "end": 24830.425, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 24830.585, "end": 24833.225, "text": "Um so which portion are you looking for the connection?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24833.225, "end": 24835.305, "text": "So are you looking at connecting into that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 24835.885, "end": 24836.425, "text": "Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24836.425, "end": 24837.105, "text": "from this site?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 24837.685, "end": 24851.125, "text": "there already is a connection on the pathway to that portion, but the pathway that's uh tied to this development is along 17th Avenue that connects from 70th all the way over to uh to the interchange of Stony" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24851.125, "end": 24852.745, "text": "What connection you're talking about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 24852.745, "end": 24852.905, "text": "track." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24852.905, "end": 24855.365, "text": "is at the top of that end of that bank," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24855.845, "end": 24862.625, "text": "right? Because you've got a pretty steep bank going up into the Applewood community. It doesn't necessarily connect into this site though." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 24863.265, "end": 24869.385, "text": "Uh it it would from the frontage through the uh through the emergency access that the applicant was talking about previously." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 24870.185, "end": 24870.825, "text": "That's correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24871.005, "end": 24876.065, "text": "See the point that I'm trying to get at is that this doesn't directly connect into that pathway you're talking about" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24876.305, "end": 24879.125, "text": "without going up that steep embankment on the backside." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 24879.805, "end": 24886.645, "text": "It could go over to the west where there's the north-south pathway that connects into uh the into the Rotary Greenway." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24886.885, "end": 24888.905, "text": "So that connection has now been made" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24889.285, "end": 24889.845, "text": "because" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 24889.885, "end": 24895.065, "text": "It would be investigated with the development permit so that we could do that, yes, as well as vehicle access." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24895.065, "end": 24900.125, "text": "it terminated. There was a there was a chain link fence there. You couldn't actually access that pathway." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 24900.205, "end": 24905.425, "text": "Oh, are are you suggesting near the where the area of the storm pond is in the interchange?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 24906.065, "end": 24906.785, "text": "Sorry, I'm" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24906.785, "end": 24907.845, "text": "Mattery Greenway," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24908.185, "end": 24918.045, "text": "it it terminates at that there's a chain link fence. So there's an east west um sidewalk that goes to it, but there's a chain link fence that prevents you from going from one to the next." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 24918.545, "end": 24930.005, "text": "Okay. I'm sorry, I I misunderstood what you were saying. We'd be looking to connect that, but the main fo the main focus for this development was about uh along 17th Ave to connect further east." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24930.125, "end": 24941.605, "text": "Yeah, I know I'm aware. It's just trying to make the connection between what's on 17th and somehow wrapping it around to connect back into the Matame Greenway, is what I was looking for as potential." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24942.185, "end": 24943.285, "text": "Through this development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 24943.545, "end": 24950.865, "text": "We can take that back and uh take a look at it and also mention to our mobility folks as well, um, colleagues to uh look into that for you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24951.085, "end": 24960.085, "text": "That's awesome. Thanks. And the uh the 70th Street Interchange, as was mentioned, there's a letter in here that's concerned about the amount of additional" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24960.265, "end": 24967.685, "text": "congestion that this will create when it's already a congestion intersection. Is there alternate um sort of uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24968.205, "end": 24968.885, "text": "uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 24969.725, "end": 24975.765, "text": "traffic control devices that are being contemplated for there, like maybe a roundabout or something of that nature?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 24976.445, "end": 25014.985, "text": "Through the the transportation impact assessment, we looked at the operations of the intersection, and some improvements were more about taking some parking off along 70th Avenue to allow for a little bit more room for additional vehicles to go in and out of the area. And also some potential on-site traffic control devices like signs to direct people directly there. So it's not people aren't driving all around trying to find this, find this development. So no no larger improvements, but uh smaller improvements to support this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25015.785, "end": 25020.765, "text": "Yeah, anyways, I it's it's sort of tied. It's not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25021.185, "end": 25026.125, "text": "the land use obviously has to work, uh, even from a transportation perspective. I know it's not" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25026.385, "end": 25053.845, "text": "typical to go into this much depth into transportation, but it is something that I think really needs to be factored into this development permit at at some point. Uh and once we are only here to discuss land use, uh, they're inextric inextricably tied. And uh, I do see that there may need to be some improvements made there. Like I said, like I said, maybe a roundabout might be the best solution at that interchange where you've got you know the three properties kind of coming together." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25054.285, "end": 25064.465, "text": "Um because just the Tim Hortons creates its own traffic, let alone how much traffic there is there on the adjacent developments. But anyways, just something for you to think about." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25064.745, "end": 25068.885, "text": "Um thanks for listening to me and no further comments for me, no questions." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25069.285, "end": 25074.925, "text": "And happy to support the recommendations when you're prepared to move it, uh, and be happy to second that and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25075.325, "end": 25080.445, "text": "Encourage council to support it because this is a site that is in desperate need of something." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25082.245, "end": 25084.925, "text": "Thank you. Over to Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 25087.145, "end": 25106.725, "text": "Uh thank you. Admin uh maybe the mobility. Uh the same question I was asking the applicant. Just uh in terms of the intersection with the the property on the north side and uh vehicular traffic entering in here, um just wondering your thoughts when you were taking a look at this a little bit more in depth than what was provided in the package." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 25108.065, "end": 25119.025, "text": "This would typically be a development permit uh consideration. However, the existing site has operated and has parking along its southern boundary for many years now." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 25120.985, "end": 25135.665, "text": "So it's a little bit uh difficult to provide an extension of 16th Avenue as you had mentioned earlier or an informal. And so the best the best option that that could be done, at least from an access standpoint, was a was a shared access from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 25135.905, "end": 25152.205, "text": "70th Street. If the applicant wanted to uh to go and and have some discussions with the neighbor, that could be a possibility, but just because it's operated for a very long time, I think that that wouldn't wouldn't be part of this development necessarily." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 25152.405, "end": 25156.665, "text": "Or an opportunity to really do that without completely redesigning the site to the north." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 25158.045, "end": 25166.045, "text": "Yeah, that's fair, and I can certainly see why it took so long to do to to get someone to develop this particular site, because that access is a little strange. And so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 25166.705, "end": 25185.105, "text": "previous council, when we when we do we should pay attention to the layouts of these things a little bit when uh when doing some subdivision plans and uh uh and whatnot. Uh more follow up with another question, just uh uh where uh Councillor Chabot was going to, just in terms of uh pedestrian access, because we're right here on the greenway. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 25185.725, "end": 25187.525, "text": "just wanted to see I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 25188.585, "end": 25200.505, "text": "We see we can see from the renderings that that that that we have that uh there obviously uh the applicant is planning on doing some frontage uh uh um pedestrian infrastructure on the frontage side, but as you can see from" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 25201.265, "end": 25238.345, "text": "Excuse me, the existing architecture that essentially will connect them to the pathway that'll take them over to East Hills on the other side of Stony, but it won't take them to connecting to the Greenway. Uh the the crossing of 17th Avenue is at the corner of 70th Street. Uh I'm just curious from a uh um from an from a city perspective, in order to be able to get that access to the greenway and then the the bus stop that's over by the Tim Ortons that uh Councillor Chabot was referring to, is there any way for who who builds that sidewalk on this empty west lot in order to be able to make that full connection?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 25243.545, "end": 25255.645, "text": "I can't really speak for the neighbor, but to provide access to the site, if the developer wants to move forward with this, they would have to construct the access and vehicle and pedestrian access over to 70th" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 25255.885, "end": 25263.705, "text": "across the public access agreement. But that would be determined also through the public access agreement who builds and maintains that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 25265.625, "end": 25275.465, "text": "Yeah, it's just real tough buttons this building here and and then saying your bus stop is literally half a block away and you can't get to it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 25275.665, "end": 25284.065, "text": "Like that seems a little strange because there's nothing built on this West uh this West lot. Um yeah, this is just kind of like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 25284.485, "end": 25290.825, "text": "new to me. Uh that seems really odd to me that we would that we would do that. Um so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 25291.225, "end": 25308.245, "text": "yeah, I I have a little bit more learning to do in terms of uh from the city of Calgary's perspective, what it is that we can compel or what it is that we can do. Uh because like I said, it's a little strange that you're half a block away from a bus stop and you are right across the street from access to the map uh to the greenway." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 25308.425, "end": 25311.785, "text": "And you have no pedestrian access to get to either one of those." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 25313.365, "end": 25313.785, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25316.985, "end": 25318.045, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25319.185, "end": 25319.945, "text": "Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25320.165, "end": 25329.885, "text": "I feel so incredibly glad and grateful that I have such advocates on council for my wards and my communities. How nice. I really do appreciate that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25330.345, "end": 25360.185, "text": "I'd like to pick up where uh Councillor Chapeau had kind of left off because I know that we're entering into consultation phase on some bike lane improvements and and some new bike lane infrastructure in that part of the of Ward 9. So I just wonder if there's been any communication with this with this applicant in terms of I understand there's going to be frontage, but uh the bike lane as it connects to where Councillor Chabot commented, uh we gonna be looking, is that part of the um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25360.965, "end": 25366.225, "text": "the process here? Have has the applicant been engaged in that as part of their next steps?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 25369.485, "end": 25383.985, "text": "I uh can't really say if they've been engaged directly with the project or future upcoming projects. Um, but the focus has been along 17th Avenue and ensuring that they are connecting both vehicular and uh pedestrian wise to the surrounding network." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 25384.265, "end": 25388.925, "text": "Those are discussions we could have with them, but I don't believe that they've been a part of the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_38", "start": 25389.165, "end": 25393.525, "text": "the uh transportation impact assessment uh at the development permit stage." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25393.845, "end": 25394.285, "text": "Very good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25394.425, "end": 25395.105, "text": "Thank you very much." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25399.905, "end": 25403.325, "text": "Thank you. That's it for questions for admin. Back to you, Councillor Clark." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25404.945, "end": 25410.805, "text": "Happy to move. Happy to have uh Councillor Chabot second me if please. And uh that said I'll leave the rest for close." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25411.025, "end": 25415.105, "text": "All right, it's on the floor. Uh moved by Councillor Clark, seconded by Councillor Shabot." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25415.825, "end": 25417.685, "text": "Any debate, uh Councillor Shabot?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25418.645, "end": 25419.725, "text": "I'll be brief. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25419.985, "end": 25462.265, "text": "appreciate that we're creating those uh east-west connections by way of 17th Avenue, which ultimately will also connect further uh further east, and and of course by that east-west connection be able to tie into 68th Street and then subsequently 52nd Street, which will tie into that network that you're referring to. So it's great to see that we're gonna have those connections. Um of course it would be nice if it could connect back into the greenway somehow, and and I don't see that being facilitated through this development. Of course, it'll likely require consultation with the adjacent neighbors, uh, but it is something that I think should be contemplated because that greenway is such a great amenity, and and being able to access it would be nice." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25462.565, "end": 25468.545, "text": "And I don't know if there's any provisions that have been made from from the neighbor to the north to connect into that." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25468.805, "end": 25480.965, "text": "But uh again, it's something that I'd like to work with uh Councillor Clark to see if we can find some sort of a solution to connect this directly and all of these um developments into that greenway directly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25481.265, "end": 25484.825, "text": "Um so anyways, happy to support and encourage council to support as well." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25486.985, "end": 25487.805, "text": "Anyone else on this?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25490.745, "end": 25491.405, "text": "Councillor Clark?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25491.725, "end": 25492.225, "text": "To close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25493.445, "end": 25494.585, "text": "Thank you. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25495.185, "end": 25495.705, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_15", "start": 25496.665, "end": 25523.705, "text": "as Councillor Chabot has said, um he sort of represented this area for 12 years, and uh his line of questioning went where my mind was going. And so I feel at least in that confident that I'm heading in the right direction with my thoughts around this area. Um I'd also like to just reconfirm the point that uh this is an area that uh a particular parcel that requ would benefit greatly from activation. So I will be supporting this application and and hope my council colleagues will do so as well. Thank you. Yeah." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25527.505, "end": 25530.245, "text": "Thank you, Madam Clerk. Let's uh please engage the vote on this." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25532.065, "end": 25533.965, "text": "And we're on Ward 9, Applewood Park" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25535.845, "end": 25536.945, "text": "7.2.9." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25543.525, "end": 25544.805, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25544.945, "end": 25545.265, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25545.465, "end": 25545.985, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25547.125, "end": 25547.965, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25548.385, "end": 25549.985, "text": "Thank you. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25552.625, "end": 25558.045, "text": "The line use amendment in Applewood Park, Ward 9. The uh motion and recommendations have carried." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25558.465, "end": 25560.265, "text": "We'll now move to the readings of the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25566.465, "end": 25572.325, "text": "That is carried 15 to 0 unanimously. So first reading of bylaw 10 D 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25573.585, "end": 25577.865, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 10 D 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25578.645, "end": 25579.945, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25580.385, "end": 25584.445, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 10 D 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25584.905, "end": 25586.805, "text": "Hearing none, that's carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25587.205, "end": 25590.305, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 10 D 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25590.525, "end": 25591.825, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25597.285, "end": 25598.185, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Honrick." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25606.205, "end": 25608.925, "text": "Alright, Council, we got somebody brand new in the hot seat." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25609.425, "end": 25611.765, "text": "Samborn, take us away. 7.2.10." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25614.185, "end": 25628.685, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. My name is Nancy Sanborn, Senior Planner with Community Planning, and I'll be presenting the remaining three items on the agenda today. The next item is a proposed land use amendment application to support light industrial and commercial development. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25629.925, "end": 25646.685, "text": "The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 4D 2026 for the redesignation of 10906 50th Street Southeast from Industrial General IG District to the Industrial Commercial IC District. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25648.265, "end": 25669.105, "text": "The subject parcel is located in the southeast community of East Shepherd Industrial. The site is situated mid block south of 106th Avenue and between 50th Street and 52nd Street southeast. The site is located along the primary transit network with two bus stops just north of the site within 300 meters or a four minute walk. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25670.085, "end": 25686.585, "text": "The parcel is approximately 1.3 hectares in size and is currently undeveloped. Vehicle access to the site is from 50th Street, and a multi use pathway runs along 52nd Street that is part of the Always Available for All Ages and Abilities 5A network. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25687.725, "end": 25696.545, "text": "Surrounding development is characterized by primarily light industrial and commercial uses and a direct control district that accommodates a gas station. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25697.905, "end": 25734.285, "text": "This application proposes to redesignate the parcel to the Industrial Commercial IC district, which allows for light industrial and small-scale commercial uses. The maximum building height is 12 meters and the floor area ratio is one. The IC district is intended for locations on the perimeter of industrial areas and along major streets, which aligns with the characteristics of this of the subject site. The proposed IC district would allow for a broader mix of uses and allow more flexibility for small scale commercial and light industrial uses than the existing Industrial General IG district would allow on the site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25734.785, "end": 25735.965, "text": "Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25736.665, "end": 25750.945, "text": "In closing, this application provides for industrial and commercial development in an industrial area of the city. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject parcel. Thank you, Mayor Fargas." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25753.445, "end": 25757.625, "text": "Thank you. We will now open the public hearing for 7.2.10." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25760.085, "end": 25761.305, "text": "Do we have the applicant with us?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25768.685, "end": 25770.565, "text": "Anyone else uh wish to speak to this?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25775.785, "end": 25777.445, "text": "Seeing none, we will close the public hearing." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25781.065, "end": 25783.025, "text": "Any questions for administration on this?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25788.745, "end": 25790.985, "text": "Seeing none, I will look to Councillor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 25792.845, "end": 25793.485, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 25794.005, "end": 25796.665, "text": "So it's kind of exciting. This is my very first" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25797.005, "end": 25798.465, "text": "You're up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 25798.465, "end": 25803.625, "text": "land here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 25804.765, "end": 25835.505, "text": "So I I have absolutely no concerns with this. So you know, you didn't know Ward 12 actually has a very large industrial area that most people don't know about, but it's it is quite large. This area on 52nd Street has been vacant. It's uh there's development all around it, so it's natural uh for for somebody to to be able to uh develop the space and and and bring some uh some more an amendment amenities and uh commercial uh activity to the area. So uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 25836.025, "end": 25837.845, "text": "I guess that's my open." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 25838.245, "end": 25839.625, "text": "I'll pass it back to the mayor." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25843.145, "end": 25849.645, "text": "All right, that's been moved by uh Councillor Jameson. Uh seconded by Councillor Clark. Over to Councillor Shabot to speak." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25851.705, "end": 25854.965, "text": "Yeah, I can't let this opportunity go by without challenging my colleague." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25855.405, "end": 25855.805, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25857.105, "end": 25857.685, "text": "on his first" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25857.685, "end": 25860.125, "text": "As long as you're not challenging the chair, you're you're okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25860.285, "end": 25873.025, "text": "No, just curious, from an industrial land strategy perspective, I see there's an IC site right next door to it. No concerns from administration for going to another IC directly on an like what's presumably an industrial area?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25875.565, "end": 25891.925, "text": "Through the chair to Councillor Chabot. No, this was reviewed by our industrial strategy team. They don't have any concerns. This site meets the criteria for the industrial commercial because it is on the perimeter of the industrial site and it is along a major road. So there were no concerns." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25892.225, "end": 25892.685, "text": "Good." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25892.805, "end": 25893.165, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25893.185, "end": 25894.325, "text": "Just thought I'd check." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25894.985, "end": 25895.885, "text": "All right, thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_27", "start": 25896.805, "end": 25899.505, "text": "I uh guess I have no issues with this one. Thanks." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25900.085, "end": 25902.985, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Chabot. Councillor Jamison, you're closed." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25904.565, "end": 25905.825, "text": "Thank you, Councillor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 25905.825, "end": 25907.725, "text": "And uh and mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 25909.085, "end": 25911.225, "text": "Nothing more to add. This is pretty easy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 25911.565, "end": 25912.105, "text": "Close." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25913.325, "end": 25915.305, "text": "Madam Clerk, let's uh please engage the e-vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25925.205, "end": 25926.605, "text": "Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25927.165, "end": 25927.525, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 25929.085, "end": 25929.965, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25936.605, "end": 25938.625, "text": "All the votes are in. Please display the results." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25942.825, "end": 25947.545, "text": "The uh motion has carried 15 to 0. Uh the East Shepherd Industrial War 12 item." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25948.025, "end": 25950.565, "text": "So we will now move to the readings of the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25951.045, "end": 25954.105, "text": "First reading of bylaw 4D 2026, anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25955.105, "end": 25957.505, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of 4D." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25957.865, "end": 25961.645, "text": "By law 4D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25961.905, "end": 25967.305, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 4D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25967.905, "end": 25970.925, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 4D 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25971.365, "end": 25973.045, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 25974.585, "end": 25979.905, "text": "Thank you. Still in Ward 12, we will move to 7.2.11, line use amendment in Ricardo Branch." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25980.965, "end": 25988.765, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item is a proposed land use amendment application to support low density residential development. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 25989.385, "end": 26008.025, "text": "The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 9D 2026 for the redesignation of 21419 40th Street Southeast from residential low density mixed housing, RGM district, to a direct control DC district with guidelines. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26009.005, "end": 26023.545, "text": "The subject site is located in the southeast community of Ricardo Ranch, east of Deerfoot Trail, and south of 212th Avenue Southeast. The site is situated in the northwest portion of the community and is surrounded by undeveloped land. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26024.165, "end": 26039.065, "text": "The parcel is approximately 0.8 hectares in size and is currently undeveloped. The site is in close proximity to future planned parks and open spaces and within 300 meters or a five minute walk from future public transit. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26040.225, "end": 26058.405, "text": "Surrounding uses consist of residential uses under the RG, RGM, and MG land use districts, and parks and open spaces under the SSPR and SUN districts. As shown on the figure, there is no existing development immediately adjacent to the site. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26059.385, "end": 26087.085, "text": "This application proposes to redesignate the parcel to a direct control DC district based on the RGM district. The RGM district is intended to accommodate semi-detached dwellings, duplex, and row house buildings in the developing area. The RGM district is not intended to accommodate single detached dwellings. The proposed DC district is intended to allow for taller row house buildings with secondary suites on parcels with reduced lot sizes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26087.865, "end": 26115.625, "text": "This is achieved by reducing the minimum parcel width and the minimum parcel area for a row house unit. The maximum building height increased from 12 meters in the RGM district to 14 meters in the proposed DC district. There are no minimum parking or amenity space requirements for secondary suites in the DC district. However, the DC requires an increase in the overall amenity space requirement per row house unit. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 26116.525, "end": 26129.245, "text": "In closing, this application provides for alternative housing forms in a developing area. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of this subject site. Thank you, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26130.825, "end": 26133.385, "text": "Thank you. We will open the public hearing" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26133.705, "end": 26134.325, "text": "on this item." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26135.625, "end": 26136.865, "text": "Do we have the applicant with us?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26138.425, "end": 26139.245, "text": "Come on down." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26147.305, "end": 26147.905, "text": "Hello," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26148.145, "end": 26160.045, "text": "Mayor Farkas and members of Council. My name is Amelia Iwanicki, and I am a planner with BNA Studios, and I am joined remotely by Kathy Oberg, and we are here to speak in support of this application." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26161.045, "end": 26180.005, "text": "We are excited about this proposal and Brookfield Residentials' approach to bringing an innovative rowhouse product to the developing community of Seton Ridge. The product combines the affordability inherited to the fee simple rowhouse built form with the ability to generate rental income through the implementation of legal basement suites." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26181.685, "end": 26190.845, "text": "This unique narrow product is newer to the Calgary market and represents an opportunity to bring forward new levels of affordability and choice to Calgarians." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26191.605, "end": 26196.745, "text": "We appreciate your attention and time, and we are here to answer any questions if required. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26198.285, "end": 26199.965, "text": "Thank you. Any questions?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26200.385, "end": 26200.825, "text": "Council?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26204.105, "end": 26205.225, "text": "Councillor Panzazopoulos?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26207.505, "end": 26210.225, "text": "The supplementary slides, um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26211.425, "end": 26217.485, "text": "it has the Seton sort of master plan. What does that look like? Bear with me a second here. The Seaton Ridge Outline Plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26218.625, "end": 26225.185, "text": "This looks like can you just confirm if this product, the DC, what you're proposing, is anywhere in Seton currently proposed?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26225.805, "end": 26229.285, "text": "Through the chair to Councillor Pentazopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26229.285, "end": 26229.805, "text": "Perfect." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26230.285, "end": 26244.525, "text": "No, this DC is not currently within the Seton Ridge community outline plan, but we have seen similar DCs approved in the adjacent community of Logan Landing and another community such as Hotchkiss." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26246.105, "end": 26255.425, "text": "Maybe speak to why it fits here versus elsewhere and uh why Brookfield didn't sort of contemplate something a little more dense when they were sort of master planning their community." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26255.825, "end": 26272.245, "text": "Sure, I think the intent with this is to try a new product and uh localize it within a portion of a block and have other surrounding uses such as duplex homes and just test out the market and provide a new product that they hadn't previously contemplated." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26273.525, "end": 26297.165, "text": "And it's just a density adder. Like if you look their summary, no parking, 20 meters. It just feels like a really simple way to get substantially more density. Is there any other any other benefits? Is there more amenities or anything that sort of comes back, or is it just truly a few more homes? And could you quantify that if you were to stay in the existing versus what could be proposed? What what additional homes could be uh built?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26297.305, "end": 26320.425, "text": "Sure, I think in terms of density with the UPA approved within the outline plan, that's it's the same, just based on the secondary suites not being, I guess, contemplated within the density. But it is a density exercise in the fact that you're formalizing those legal secondary suites in an area that has a lot of amenity with the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26321.525, "end": 26328.085, "text": "urban nature district and the parks and quick access to transit. Does that answer your question?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26328.805, "end": 26335.665, "text": "I think so. Um maybe just speak about motor vehicles. I just and I'm just as I'm learning. So you know our GM to DC," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26335.825, "end": 26343.765, "text": "there there just appears to be a lot of substantial changes like across the board. It's not one. And uh maybe just speak to the benefits to Calgaryans why" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26344.425, "end": 26349.825, "text": "um you know the residents of Seton as well would want this product uh kind of smacked dab in the middle." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26350.445, "end": 26353.725, "text": "Of their uh when the the RGM surrounds it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26354.385, "end": 26386.545, "text": "Yeah, the the intent with this proposal is to give a product that is a more narrow form and it isn't currently active in the Calgary market and allowing people, homeowners, to have that income opportunity within the legal basement suite and having those more corner lots within the row house built form be a more standard width to what we see now. And the main focus of the more narrow internal lots is to give just a different product to Calgarians." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26387.405, "end": 26394.105, "text": "And then the the parking uh goes from minimum one stall per secondary suite on a parcel containing a row home building to no minimum." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26394.285, "end": 26396.945, "text": "Maybe just speak to that in the area that's um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26398.345, "end": 26409.045, "text": "yeah, developing will not have transit for a little bit, so when somebody moves in, they need a car, uh maybe bicycle as well. Just maybe speak to that for that period when we catch up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26409.365, "end": 26413.345, "text": "What they're gonna do given that there's zero, no minimum requirements for parking." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26413.605, "end": 26436.725, "text": "Sure. I believe the intent would be to utilize that street parking and with those the residential standard in the newer developing communities that can accommodate street parking for those units. And the rear lane access would have the opportunity for a parking pad or developing further a garage that will have two" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26437.625, "end": 26450.745, "text": "stalls. So there is opportunity for the tenants to utilize either that parking pad in the back or the garage, but that would be, I guess, contemplated on a lease basis and not by bylaw per se." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26450.905, "end": 26465.345, "text": "Set intent. So the work like that hasn't been done. It's not like you've you guys have contemplated how it feels with that added density, no requirements for parking. So it's just sort of a professional judgment. Do you feel that it it it still works adding substantially uh more units there?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26465.485, "end": 26481.785, "text": "Yes, we do, and during the circulation period, we we didn't receive any flags from transportation or during that process that led us to believe it would be concerning from a parking perspective and that the parking can be accommodated" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26482.325, "end": 26483.005, "text": "on site." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26483.325, "end": 26497.385, "text": "And is there an area of Calgary we could sort of look at or development that was recently done that we could sort of see what it kind of feels like? Like certainly DC is not new, but the products you're thinking about, is there somewhere possibly in your inventory of work that's been done just to get a feel?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26497.725, "end": 26505.005, "text": "Yeah, there was this similar style of DC approved recently in Logan Landing and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26505.765, "end": 26523.045, "text": "The difference with that one is their lots were shallower, so it's not necessarily the same, but in terms of real world examples with this particular DC, we don't have anything to kind of base off of in terms of parking strategies." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 26523.765, "end": 26525.225, "text": "Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_46", "start": 26526.465, "end": 26530.625, "text": "Amelia, am I able to add a c uh element in as well? It's Kathy Oberg on the line." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26530.765, "end": 26532.505, "text": "You sure are. Good to hear from you, Kathy." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_46", "start": 26532.505, "end": 26607.145, "text": "Okay, thank you. Okay. I just wanted to add there's also some built examples in Alpine Park where they've utilized this a little bit shallow of a lot, as Amelia has said. I think the reason for us to gravitate to this area of the plan is it's one where, and if you look closely at the outline plan, we do have some kind of boundary conditions where we do have a little bit extra roads. We have it along the escarpment edge as well as along Deerfoot Trail. And so we thought just containing it to the two blocks within the center gives us a chance to really focus in and see and kind of test it out, kind of pilot it out. We certainly have seen the built form and applying it in this way, it is a little bit different, but I think it outweighs just the advantages we'll get from an affordability standpoint, and it seemed like the right place in the plan. On the aspect of walking or walking to transit, we are within 300 meters. We will have transit routes that will come by. Certainly at some point we hope to have the Green Line station directly to the north and direct routes up there. But we thought this might be a good place to test it out. The units per acre is sitting at 8.71, so we definitely have some room in comparison. The minimum is eight. Um, and so we thought this might be a good time to try it out." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26612.645, "end": 26614.385, "text": "Thank you. Over to Councillor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26616.985, "end": 26618.025, "text": "Aye, thanks for being here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26619.745, "end": 26627.185, "text": "So just to confirm, so the the townhouse units are all being built with basement suites approval. Um is that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26627.445, "end": 26629.085, "text": "100% every one of them?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26629.305, "end": 26630.405, "text": "Through the chair to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26630.785, "end": 26632.765, "text": "Councillor Jameson, yes, that is correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26632.865, "end": 26649.565, "text": "Okay. Um I'm I'm sure you have thought about this, but um to basically to to go to go narrow and high and higher, um, what it what I'm seeing is it's reducing the townhouse uh townhouse width from five meters to four meters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26650.445, "end": 26657.405, "text": "Um this would only allow for one parking stall for essentially two households." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26658.025, "end": 26688.485, "text": "W do you have a plan for how to mitigate that? Because right now there is no public transit. And the idea of a train, the I mean the C train will be in Shepherd, which is a long ways away from Seton, uh, maybe in five years. So just kind of in that regard, because the fact of the matter, these new communities, they're they're very uh there's a lot of high density and multifamily, especially in the Seaton, Greater Seaton area. Um but" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26689.105, "end": 26699.805, "text": "Right now there there isn't uh a whole lot of transit and so we we are forcing people that want to live there they have to drive they they don't have a whole lot of options at this point. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26700.865, "end": 26709.045, "text": "in in in the idea of reducing cars and traffic and what are people supposed to do because they they will have to drive. Every household will have to have a car." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26709.865, "end": 26744.865, "text": "Yeah, as previously mentioned and highlighted, there is that additional street parking availability along the western edge of the block lengths, kind of paralleling Deerfoot Trail. And then there is another portion of road just one block south that goes along the escarpment. So in our opinion, there's there's ample street parking availability for the block. And again, the the pad parking and sharing of garage, that's not really a bylaw consideration, but something that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26746.065, "end": 26749.325, "text": "potentially available for the basement tenants." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26750.265, "end": 26755.025, "text": "So you you did mention that there there is some street park, but you said it's one or two blocks away." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26755.625, "end": 26769.485, "text": "Just along the immediate western boundary of the block, there's no frontage on that road, and it's it spans about a four block length just at the end of the block." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26770.445, "end": 26770.865, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_46", "start": 26773.625, "end": 26801.965, "text": "Amelia, if we could add also that there's a bus route planned to go down Ricardo Ranch Avenue, which is just it's probably about 200 meters away. And there is a loop that's planned to go through the Seaton Ridge area, and it comes through Logan Landing and eventually nostalgia. So we do have a local bus route, understanding it's definitely not the LRT, but there is one that is in close proximity that will be planned to come through. I don't know what the timing of it will be, but they're definitely we've planned for it within the plan area." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26806.365, "end": 26808.165, "text": "Thank you. Over to Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 26810.445, "end": 26815.825, "text": "Thank you, worship. Thank you for being here, Ms. Iwanicki. Did I say that correctly? Yeah, that's good enough." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 26816.165, "end": 26817.945, "text": "Cool." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 26819.705, "end": 26840.465, "text": "I'm curious. I'm not a huge fan of DC. I think that everybody around the council table knows that. I'm happy to get rid of it whenever I can, sort of thing. I'm wondering if you can just sort of speak to why uh DC, as in, was there no other zoning that kind of would uh that would uh would achieve what it is that you're looking for here?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26840.965, "end": 26852.365, "text": "Yeah, through the chair to Councillor Kelly, correct. There was no available district within the current land use bylaw that would accommodate this narrow, taller row house built form." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 26852.985, "end": 26868.965, "text": "Which I guess is fair considering you said this is a new product that you're willing that you're willing to try or that you're looking to try out here. So um no, I think that this might be one of those cases where a direct control as a one-off kinda makes makes some sense uh to try something. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 26869.645, "end": 26887.305, "text": "You know, sort of to Councillor Jameson's point from earlier on in terms of like, can you sell it? I mean, that's uh I guess I'll just ask that as a qu as a question. Uh your um your client feels confident enough that the the this is a product that the market is looking for and this is the location for it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26888.025, "end": 26893.785, "text": "Yes, they are confident with bringing this product forward and having a more diverse" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_45", "start": 26894.205, "end": 26897.585, "text": "array of choice within Seton Ridge is is very appealing to them." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 26898.425, "end": 26901.605, "text": "Yep. Uh hey, you want to go for it? Uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 26902.205, "end": 26905.205, "text": "who am I to stand in your way? That sounds good. Let's give it a try. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26908.725, "end": 26913.065, "text": "Thank you. That's it for questions for the applicants." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26913.425, "end": 26916.925, "text": "We're still in the public hearing. Anyone else wish to speak on this item?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26920.725, "end": 26924.765, "text": "Hearing none. Anyone else in the room with us want to speak to it?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26926.645, "end": 26927.005, "text": "Nope." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 26927.325, "end": 26930.925, "text": "Public hearing is now closed. So over to you, Councillor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26934.945, "end": 26935.685, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26937.125, "end": 26938.145, "text": "Thank you, Chair." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26939.465, "end": 26973.005, "text": "So, yeah, so uh the Councillor uh Kelly did bring up one one of the few kind of issues that I'm just contemplating right now. So this is already a very uh high-dense multifamily community. Uh it's it's designed that way. Uh if you've ever been down into the Seton area, it is uh you know it's beautiful, but it but it it it achieves many of the uh density and affordability goals that that that we're looking for. Uh I think this is maybe trying to push that maybe a little bit farther than it than it needs to be. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 26973.605, "end": 26999.265, "text": "My my primary concern is you you using first of all using the DC uh for this. Um second really is what I see is the just the reduction in parking space. Most people, you know, you know, you picture a a cold uh minus 20 degree day. Don't want to park one or two blocks away from their house. They want to park in front of their house if they have to do house park uh street parking, right? Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27000.125, "end": 27014.885, "text": "You know, effectively, other you know, this this is the main i i re issue that I have where you have two households that that really are are going to be battling over uh what it looks like one parking space. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27015.345, "end": 27034.825, "text": "in some parts of the city this approach makes sense, particularly in areas with strong public transit or proximity to LRT. That is not the case here. There is no meaningful public transit available, and importantly, there is no opportunity for street parking in front of the residents." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27035.225, "end": 27039.145, "text": "Which is associated with the townhouse development style." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27040.065, "end": 27066.925, "text": "I'm also concerned that there has been no public consultation on this application. While I understand the technical reason for that, you know, there is no immediate adjacent community. My reference point is where what I'm hearing from is the residents of nearby Seton. So this would be the closest area to this project that has this very similar development." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27067.545, "end": 27088.425, "text": "While similar developments with reduced parking have already been built in Seton, in those cases uh the lack of adequate parking has become a significant and ongoing issue. So this is something that I'm hearing about quite a bit. The frustration is is growing. Uh in fact, I spoke to somebody in uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27088.885, "end": 27092.585, "text": "A neighboring brand new community just recently" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27093.165, "end": 27104.085, "text": "that left Seaton and moved there because of directly because of parking and and the fights that they were getting into with their neighbors. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27107.605, "end": 27111.205, "text": "I guess uh you know, in closing, uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27111.805, "end": 27114.465, "text": "given the absence of transit at this time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_10", "start": 27115.285, "end": 27132.765, "text": "you know, um and the and the lack of street parking and the real world impacts we have already seen in comparable communities and I and I am hearing this firsthand as the Councillor. I do not believe that this amendment is appropriate for this location. For those reasons, I will be opposing it. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27135.325, "end": 27140.205, "text": "Thank you for that, Councillor Jameson. Did anyone want to move the item just to get on the floor?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27143.105, "end": 27147.385, "text": "I see it looks like Councillor Schmidt behind that big block of marble" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27148.125, "end": 27150.565, "text": "has moved the item uh seconded by" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27151.585, "end": 27152.785, "text": "Councillor Chabot. Okay." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27153.065, "end": 27156.245, "text": "It is on the floor. Uh Councillor Schmidt. Uh" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27157.765, "end": 27158.525, "text": "over to you for debate." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27158.945, "end": 27159.385, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27160.345, "end": 27163.765, "text": "just to put this in perspective, nobody lives here yet." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27165.425, "end": 27167.525, "text": "Anybody who purchases this property" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27168.705, "end": 27172.485, "text": "in this district will understand what they're buying ahead of time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27174.105, "end": 27174.925, "text": "Density" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27175.725, "end": 27177.825, "text": "in these areas is needed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27178.505, "end": 27189.845, "text": "For us to be able to at least in some way afford to grow this way. This is a consequence of us being almost 40 kilometers from our downtown core. If we don't have people" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27191.365, "end": 27205.645, "text": "living in these areas with planning processes put in place that meet density goals, then we don't have the tax base to support them. And we are really trying to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27206.285, "end": 27212.065, "text": "have it both ways sometimes as a council where we don't want density in the inner city." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27212.365, "end": 27213.765, "text": "We don't want density" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27215.525, "end": 27216.525, "text": "in the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27217.285, "end": 27228.585, "text": "outlying areas of the city. We chose to annex this land, and now we have to make that sustainable over the long term. Those services will come" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27229.385, "end": 27248.765, "text": "as people move into the area, but again, that's a consequence of building this way. And we have to let the free market do its job now that we've made these decisions. And if they think they can build it, if they think they can get people to live here, then everybody who is buying." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27249.245, "end": 27250.985, "text": "Housing in this location" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27251.585, "end": 27255.265, "text": "will know what they're getting into because there is currently nothing there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27256.125, "end": 27256.765, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27257.445, "end": 27270.665, "text": "I I will support this because as we've seen in the last couple of weeks, we can't afford the infrastructure we already have, and we need to make decisions in a way that allow us to" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27271.965, "end": 27274.385, "text": "be sustainable economically as a city." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27275.845, "end": 27280.185, "text": "Thank you, Councillor. Uh over to uh Deputy Mayor Johnston." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27282.465, "end": 27283.745, "text": "First time you've said that." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27284.245, "end": 27285.805, "text": "I I keep forgetting, I'm so sorry." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27288.585, "end": 27289.585, "text": "I didn't forget this time." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27290.705, "end": 27291.285, "text": "It's okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27291.725, "end": 27295.725, "text": "Liability, I understand. Um I actually agree with uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27296.385, "end": 27298.845, "text": "Councillor Schmidt here. Um people that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27301.585, "end": 27306.225, "text": "people that are moving into these neighborhoods know what they're getting into before they get there. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27307.125, "end": 27308.005, "text": "and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27308.685, "end": 27310.285, "text": "this is exactly the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27310.685, "end": 27311.765, "text": "growth we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27312.505, "end": 27316.385, "text": "are advocating for, um, whether it's sprawl or whatever, just" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27316.845, "end": 27320.665, "text": "we we want housing, this is how it's being built in this city. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27321.485, "end": 27324.485, "text": "if if you're moving into this house and you're worried about parking," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27326.925, "end": 27328.605, "text": "move somewhere else, right? Like" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27329.185, "end": 27333.705, "text": "you know what you have here. Um and you can plan accordingly based on" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27334.665, "end": 27342.605, "text": "the plans, based on talking to your realtor developer, right? So this is exactly what we want. So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27343.145, "end": 27350.085, "text": "I I I'm okay with this growth. Um, it is technically low density, I think they called it. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27350.725, "end": 27351.325, "text": "and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27351.765, "end": 27356.285, "text": "and I like the term uh that I coined 16 minute cities." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27356.645, "end": 27357.265, "text": "Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27358.025, "end": 27382.605, "text": "because that's what this is. It's Seton. Seton's got everything. They've got their own hospital, they've got movie theater, they've got everything you need to live down there without really having to go anywhere else. Same with mahogany. They're great neighborhoods. Um, you don't necessarily have to drive downtown if you can work from home or work in Quarry Park or somewhere a bit closer. Um, so this is the part of sprawl that I can get behind. So I would say" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27383.545, "end": 27386.645, "text": "if we're gonna build it, we'll build it like this and people will" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_39", "start": 27387.545, "end": 27395.985, "text": "and these houses are selling. So people wanna live out here. A little bit more space. Um so this is what I think we need going forward. So thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27398.045, "end": 27399.645, "text": "Thank you, uh Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 27400.505, "end": 27403.505, "text": "Just a question of administration. With these kinds of um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 27404.905, "end": 27409.585, "text": "direct controls and experiment, if you will, in terms of the market, do we" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 27410.645, "end": 27412.425, "text": "track, learn from?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 27413.505, "end": 27423.145, "text": "Grow, like develop our our ways forward based on these kinds of experiments that that are taken on by the market?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 27427.145, "end": 27486.425, "text": "Through the chair to uh councillor Atkinson. Um we do look at each site individually. Um, however, we have had many similar types of these applications in developing areas recently. Um they are all DC districts because there is no standard district to address kind of each unique uh circumstance. Um, you know, if more applications continue to come in and demonstrate that it's feasible across the board, then it relates to multiple site conditions and could be applied, you know, um more broadly. You know, we could look into into the possibility in the future to update our land use bylaw rules, but as of now we look at each site individually and say, is this appropriate for this area? Um, does it need a DC? Yes, because of we don't have um a standard district. So that's" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 27486.425, "end": 27520.065, "text": "So a benefit of DCs, since DCs are being, you know, talked about with in a negative sort of way, but actually it's an a way to experiment in the market to potentially just, yeah, is this a common thing that we've seen with other um forms like built forms or or market um development as a way to sort of see some experiments and then oh yeah, there is a market for this, and then we actually create the and yeah, I see Ms. Goldstein's come up here, yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 27520.965, "end": 27612.405, "text": "And I only came up, uh, counsel, because this is a more philosophical conversation rather than specifically for this application. I think in a lot of cases we see the use of a direct control district evolve into stock land use districts. A very, very good example is our H-GO district that was originally only capable of attaining those very small-scale apartments that are in many of your wards. Those are the three-story type of small apartments. The only way of achieving that was through a direct control district. And originally in all of the developing communities, the RG district was a direct control. It was trialed in Cornerstone. That was the first time that we really built that district, and then saw that the flexibility of having all those forms inside that district was really appealing to developers in master plan communities, and so then transitioned that into being the stock RG district. So philosophically, we are always looking for those lessons, and then should we see this at a frequency that is less common right now in this one, although we do have several examples of this exact same housing form throughout our developing areas. Alpine Park has them, Hodgkiss has them, and then the community adjacent, we would see that potentially in the zoning bylaw in the future, something like this that could enable this as part of that stock." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 27612.585, "end": 27649.565, "text": "And then when we do that review process, I mean market bearing is one side, but then also like part of planning is just like these conditions we're hearing about concerns around parking, these kinds of things. Do we take more of like a wider view before or as we're developing, say, more of a standardized set of rules around something that takes into those considerations outside of sort of just people will build them and buy them? Or is it kind of like once we see a critical threshold of a certain number of these, then it makes sense to just turn on that form?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 27649.665, "end": 27694.325, "text": "So through the chair, we would never implement an amendment to our land use bylaw that we did not think through very, very thoroughly and critically at all levels. So, how is waste being picked up is reflective in our H-GO district because we learned that having individual bins wasn't really working in that form and that we wanted to go to a more combined system at a certain threshold. That's how we establish thresholds that are reflected in our stock districts. We learn from those pieces. We make amendments. And the reason that this is a direct control is because, as Ms. Samborn said, there is zero land use district that enables this." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 27694.805, "end": 27696.005, "text": "Great. Thanks for" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 27696.765, "end": 27700.725, "text": "going through that theoretical exercise and the learning with me." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_44", "start": 27700.865, "end": 27701.285, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27703.285, "end": 27704.925, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Pantozopoulos." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27705.025, "end": 27729.705, "text": "Thanks so much. When when I think of this development, you know, I'm drawn to this sort of outline plan and land use plan, because there's so many parallels to what's going to be happening here in Ward 6. And the reason I bring that up, everybody has the same, is there's an intent for whereas density makes sense, and we're going to have medium, high, single family homes, et cetera. And in Council's Wisdom, when they approved this, they looked at this and said, hey, these sort of make sense. This is what we think the community wants, et cetera." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27730.165, "end": 27742.165, "text": "And now what happens is the fear we just had a talk about carving out mid block or well let's just do a little density here, under the guise of a housing crisis and and things. But but those problems were addressed. If this was all" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27743.005, "end": 27814.485, "text": "Brands making new all single family homes and there was an intent for a bit of density. I could see the logic. And my fear is if you look at this map, wherever there's an orange, what's preventing the next block? That same argument holds true. We had the wisdom. Nobody went back and said, what was council thinking about when you made this? Why didn't they think of this? And I understand this product, the density, but you could have Brookfield et al. could have made some provisions, said we want to try some things new. And it's so new. That's that's probably my fear, is we start with something and this is give, give, give. Because never is it gonna come back and say, let's take a little density back for all the reasons, all the legitimate reasons. People want single family homes, there's a market, there's this, there's that. And it just keeps going there. And that's what I encourage my council colleagues to do. There, the density's here. Because I'm gonna have the exact same argument bringing uh proposals, very similar to this. And then my fear is six months, twelve months, two years later, coming back and saying, well, it's just not enough. What about this? What about this? Yeah, we've had thought, but we we had those debates and discussions, and I think that was maybe missing there. Um I echo Councillor Jameson's look to him for guidance. Their density is there. If this was all single family homes, I would say respectfully, hey, look, you got to add a little density here, density there, but it's there in the prior councils. So for that, I'm I'm a former business owner. I love the ability to experiment, that makes sense, uh, and test things out." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27815.125, "end": 27815.665, "text": "But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27816.225, "end": 27828.745, "text": "y y you know, this one that's what I struggle with is just that growth and and it's sort of the creep into other areas and development. So I I will be voting against that for that. I think there's a very thoughtful plan. It has the density. Um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_24", "start": 27829.005, "end": 27842.265, "text": "All those arguments about housing crisis and affordability and great, that's why there is a density. That's why there's an M down to the east. That's why there's a unit to the west and north and south. So uh for that reason I'll be uh voting against this at this time. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27843.785, "end": 27844.985, "text": "Thank you. Anyone else want in?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27848.605, "end": 27851.125, "text": "All right. Seeing none, back to Councillor Schmidt." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27853.065, "end": 27854.305, "text": "It's sad that uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27855.085, "end": 27857.365, "text": "life takes you in weird directions. I" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27858.305, "end": 27859.745, "text": "have been deeply involved" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27860.005, "end": 27863.425, "text": "with Ricardo Ranch, as some members of Last Council might remember." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27864.505, "end": 27876.605, "text": "Was opposed to the entire subdivision at that point, but it's here now. The ship is sailed, we have to make the best of the situation, and uh the only way we do that is by" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27877.185, "end": 27877.885, "text": "um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27878.345, "end": 27884.885, "text": "leveraging every single possibility we have to make it a productive and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27885.165, "end": 27888.125, "text": "Welcoming place for people to live, and that uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27888.605, "end": 27889.585, "text": "includes" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27890.025, "end": 27892.525, "text": "providing as many housing forms as we can." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27892.725, "end": 27894.685, "text": "Again, in a situation where" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27894.845, "end": 27897.325, "text": "people moving in here will know what they're buying," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27897.525, "end": 27898.425, "text": "and uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_17", "start": 27899.025, "end": 27908.005, "text": "I think it's up to us to give them that choice where an easy opportunity to provide that choice exists. So I will be voting in support." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_33", "start": 27909.425, "end": 27912.585, "text": "Thank you. You are closed. Madam Clerk, let's please engage the evil." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27931.965, "end": 27933.485, "text": "Councillor Johnston, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27941.605, "end": 27943.425, "text": "Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27943.585, "end": 27943.925, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27944.205, "end": 27944.685, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 27945.745, "end": 27946.765, "text": "Mayor, all the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27947.265, "end": 27949.785, "text": "Thank you. Let's please display the results." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27952.085, "end": 27960.225, "text": "On the Ricardo ranch item, the motion is carried with Councillors Ward, Daliwall, Pantazopoulos," }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27961.485, "end": 27963.565, "text": "Jameson, and McLean opposed." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27964.105, "end": 27966.105, "text": "We'll now move to the readings of the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27977.825, "end": 27982.265, "text": "We're on bylaw 9D 2026." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27982.985, "end": 27985.585, "text": "First reading of bylaw 9D" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27986.945, "end": 27988.245, "text": "2026." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27988.905, "end": 27989.645, "text": "Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 27991.825, "end": 27999.045, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw D 9D 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28000.005, "end": 28001.345, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28001.765, "end": 28007.505, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 9 D 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28007.845, "end": 28009.905, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28010.485, "end": 28015.205, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 9 D 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28015.945, "end": 28017.025, "text": "Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28018.405, "end": 28019.125, "text": "All right." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28019.445, "end": 28021.805, "text": "Item 7.2.12." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28022.245, "end": 28025.705, "text": "Outline plan and land use amendment in Silverado, Ward 13." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28028.125, "end": 28036.625, "text": "Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item is a proposed land use amendment application to support an approved outline plan. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28037.585, "end": 28069.985, "text": "The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 11D 2026 for the redesignation of 2141940th Street Southeast, from special purpose future urban development S Fed District to Community or sorry to commercial community one CC1 district, multi residential low profile M1 district, mixed use general MU1 district, special purpose school park and community reserve SSPR district, and a direct control district. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28072.085, "end": 28080.265, "text": "The subject site is located in the southwest community of Silverado, which is south of Stony Trail and west of McLeod Trail and the Pritus Slough." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28080.885, "end": 28092.485, "text": "The site is situated at the corner of Sheriff King Street and Silverton Way Southwest. The community of Silverado, Yorkville, and Belmont are actively developing throughout the area. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28093.585, "end": 28104.445, "text": "The parcel is approximately 5.5 hectares in size and is currently developed with a single detached dwelling. Bus stops are located directly beside the site along Sheriff King Street. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28106.145, "end": 28126.405, "text": "Surrounding uses consist of a mix of existing low density residential uses to the west of Sheriff King Street and a future and future low density and multi residential uses east and south of the site. There are two single detached dwellings in a country residential format that are located directly north of the subject site. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28128.065, "end": 28171.825, "text": "An outline plan for the subject site was approved by Calgary Planning Commission on December 4th, 2025, and reflects the proposed land uses that are before you today. The outline plan introduces a mix of residential and commercial uses that contribute to the mixed-use character of the area. Commercial uses are located on the southernmost portion of the site at the prominent intersection of Sheriff King Street and Silverton Way. As you proceed north on the site, mixed use and multi residential development is proposed. In addition, the proposed park space will satisfy the 10% municipal reserve requirement for the plan area, while also providing an open space amenity and establishing a connection through the plan area to the three meter regional pathway along Sheriff King Street." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28172.405, "end": 28182.125, "text": "Collectively, the outline plan is designed to integrate into the surrounding community and establish this intersection as a key focal point in the area. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28184.085, "end": 28214.625, "text": "This image illustrates the subject site in context with the broader community. Surrounding areas include low and medium scale residential and mixed-use districts. The proposed land uses within the subject site will complement and be compatible with surrounding uses. A future red line LRT station is proposed further east, approximately 600 meters from the subject site, along the railway track shown in blue. The proposed land uses will help provide the density and amenities to support the area. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28216.345, "end": 28232.165, "text": "This application proposes to redesignate the parcel to five land use districts. The multi-residential low profile M1 district supports low to medium scale housing up to four stories in height and has a density modifier of 78 units per hectare." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28232.485, "end": 28240.185, "text": "South of the M1 site is a special purpose school park and community reserve district that provides parks and open space." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28240.385, "end": 28253.645, "text": "And then the mixed use general MU1 district supports development up to six stories in height with optional commercial uses at grade. The maximum floor area ratio is 3.5, and the maximum height is 24 meters." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28254.305, "end": 28266.565, "text": "Commercial Community 1 CC1 district supports a range of community commercial uses, and a direct control district enables a self storage facility with at grade commercial uses. Next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 28267.805, "end": 28282.605, "text": "In closing, this application provides for a variety of commercial and residential uses and open space amenities in a developing area. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject parcel. Thank you, Mayor Farkas." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28285.565, "end": 28292.545, "text": "Thank you very much. We will now move uh to open our public hearing for 7.2.12 land use amendment in Silverado, Ward 13." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28293.545, "end": 28294.985, "text": "Looks like we have our applicant with us." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 28299.905, "end": 28311.985, "text": "Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. My name is Brian Horton. I'm with O2. We are the applicant of the project. I'm joined by John Herrup, who is part of the ownership group today. Could you please advance to the next slide?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 28312.725, "end": 28366.925, "text": "Administration spoke about the surrounding context, but we believe and agree with administration that this development will integrate really well with the approved densities and built form of Silverton that you can see is that is currently being majority built out by Cardell. The site has has been waiting for land use really on the heels of Cardell bringing servicing up to this parcel, which is happening now. And so that is why we are here today to now advance with the land use. As you can see, directly to the east, there's a built form of multi residential that would allow up to six stories just on the east side. There's currently some seniors residential to the south in a in a multifamily built form, and uh the RG would allow for a variety of uh towns and uh and small singles. Uh next slide, please." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 28368.605, "end": 28457.285, "text": "Just to get a little bit more into our development vision, even though it's a relatively small site for the developing areas, we are we're introducing a real mixed-use community. As you can see here on the southern area, we'd have a mix of commercial uses that would serve the local area and the and the needs of the residents on site and of the community. And then to the north of there, the MU district would allow for the flexibility for the future homeowner or home developer to build a mix of townhouses and apartments. And really instead of designing it as parcels that right now are decided for individual zones, that we we see it as a way where a really good urban design outcome could be designed, where there could be a mix of towns and apartments on this parcel. And then you can see on the north the M1 parcel would allow for townhouses. And one of the things we're really excited about is the is the is the park. So this is a a park that we work closely with administration on the design of." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 28458.085, "end": 28478.585, "text": "Next slide, please. So in closing and in summary, we believe this application integrates well with this surrounding community and developments. It is consistent with the ASP policies that are approved, and it provides a mix of uses to enhance the neighborhood. With that, I'm happy to answer any questions." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28479.865, "end": 28480.305, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28481.165, "end": 28481.745, "text": "Excuse me." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28482.485, "end": 28484.725, "text": "Thank you. Any questions for the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28487.385, "end": 28487.985, "text": "Councillor McLean." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28490.065, "end": 28494.345, "text": "No, I've got it in for admin. If nobody has any questions. We've had lots of chats about this." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28494.345, "end": 28496.485, "text": "All right. Anyone else uh for the applicant here?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28497.705, "end": 28498.425, "text": "Councillor Atkinson." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 28500.265, "end": 28509.405, "text": "Sorry, so um the the higher density is sort of backing onto the park space. Is that the uh uh the way that it's laid out there?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 28509.405, "end": 28520.625, "text": "Uh if we could go back one slide, please. I can show you. Well, the there's there's two varieties of density that like so to the south of the park is is MU. We envision that" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 28521.065, "end": 28541.425, "text": "the park would actually be fronted by some higher density, like the the MU would allow for uh apartments and towns. So we see a variety, so both townhouses and apartments that would that would front the park, and then on the on the north side, the M1 is is is as we move further north, we're decreasing in density. So we would expect those to be townhouses." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 28541.525, "end": 28542.045, "text": "Okay." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 28542.685, "end": 28577.785, "text": "Yeah, I just I I I'm I think that we've built for a long time with like the lower density on the park, and I actually think that we as a city need to have a mentality switch around density and park space. Density needs park space, that is the backyard for density, and so just an encouragement that as you're sort of um pursuing this further, that trying to uh center more density towards the park and and putting the uh the lower density further away, it actually uh is a better way to utilize those amenities with uh more people." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 28577.685, "end": 28578.725, "text": "Thanks. Appreciate the comment." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_42", "start": 28578.725, "end": 28579.225, "text": "Thanks." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28581.065, "end": 28581.825, "text": "Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 28582.845, "end": 28589.905, "text": "Yeah, I wanna just ask you about the modifiers uh on both the M1 and the MU one. Um is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 28590.545, "end": 28594.985, "text": "Is your client gonna be developing this as well or are they just doing the site?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 28594.985, "end": 28603.825, "text": "There's there's site right now, but there's discussions with home builders who have who have been involved in the development of the plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 28603.885, "end": 28606.465, "text": "Yeah, and essentially I guess that's what I'm getting at is like w" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 28607.265, "end": 28612.505, "text": "why are we putting the modifiers on it right now if we don't know what it is that they might potentially want to build?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 28612.505, "end": 28634.345, "text": "Well I can I'd be happy happy to explain that uh through the chair. So the the the density modifier on the M1 um limits the the number of units to a hundred uh townhouses, and that was primarily at the land use stage. Uh mobility was only comfortable with that number because uh for emergency access. So um typically" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 28635.465, "end": 28677.185, "text": "The the intent would be that with the densities of townhouses around 20 to 25 units per acre, then that's fine. So we were supportive of that. And then on the MU, the density modifiers were to allow for up to a six-story development. So to provide enough flexibility to go up to six stories with potential grade changes, 24 meters is certainly enough. And then the FAR modifier was applied in case, well, if we see future subdivision, so say a parcel was subdivided for a six story building, it would need that density that is that is noted in the in the uh FAR modifier." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 28677.865, "end": 28681.685, "text": "So the modifier on the M1 came from us from administration." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 28681.685, "end": 28682.265, "text": "Correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 28682.345, "end": 28683.125, "text": "And the modifier" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 28683.125, "end": 28684.365, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 28684.365, "end": 28687.645, "text": "excuse me, the modifier on the MU1 came from you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_37", "start": 28687.645, "end": 28688.405, "text": "Yes, correct." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 28688.565, "end": 28689.405, "text": "Okay, thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28690.945, "end": 28695.405, "text": "Thank you, Councillor Kelly. Anybody else uh for the applicant?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28697.345, "end": 28698.865, "text": "All right. You are off the hook, Mr. Arm." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28701.085, "end": 28703.565, "text": "Anyone here also for the public hearing?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28705.525, "end": 28706.645, "text": "Anyone on the line?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28707.725, "end": 28707.985, "text": "Nope." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28708.565, "end": 28710.625, "text": "Going once, going twice." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28711.525, "end": 28715.705, "text": "The public hearing is closed. All right, we got questions for admin. Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28716.505, "end": 28718.625, "text": "Actually, sorry, Councillor McLean first." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28718.985, "end": 28719.665, "text": "Thank you, Mayor." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28720.105, "end": 28724.365, "text": "Admin, could you bring up page four of your presentation, please?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28729.605, "end": 28730.205, "text": "There we go." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28730.565, "end": 28732.165, "text": "This is very exciting for me" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28733.345, "end": 28735.205, "text": "because I used to live that was my home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28736.525, "end": 28738.145, "text": "Twenty five years ago" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28738.625, "end": 28740.005, "text": "in that house back there." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28740.745, "end": 28745.145, "text": "That's where I lived. That's where I ran my golf business. It was horses in the back, a shop," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28745.585, "end": 28747.705, "text": "tons of golf cars and semi trucks." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28748.045, "end": 28749.705, "text": "To the west was a field," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28750.365, "end": 28752.505, "text": "all the way to Spruce Meadows," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28753.165, "end": 28759.805, "text": "nothing around me, except a few acreages, and I wanted to talk about the road, because the road was just a gravel road back then. But it was uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28760.245, "end": 28769.465, "text": "Then the big bad city came in and said, I couldn't do that anymore. I couldn't have big set gas tanks full of purple fuel and diesel fuel and having semi trucks come and go." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28769.925, "end": 28774.205, "text": "And have a few hundred golf cars there, or let my dog run wild. Man." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28775.065, "end": 28775.745, "text": "But it's so" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28777.145, "end": 28782.285, "text": "that was twenty-five years ago. And then I had to move south maybe twenty years ago and do the same thing." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28783.085, "end": 28785.565, "text": "But I'm glad we're finally here getting this developed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28785.765, "end": 28788.485, "text": "There is a question in here, not just memory lane." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28789.825, "end": 28791.585, "text": "So that Sheriff King Road" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28791.825, "end": 28793.425, "text": "and one 90th have," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28793.985, "end": 28794.785, "text": "used to uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28795.905, "end": 28805.345, "text": "we've had a lot of problems there because the province, they kind of messed up the interchanges, not alternates coming in, and then we ripped it up, and then we've twinned it. But if uh what I'm I wanna know." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28805.665, "end": 28809.665, "text": "Is the applicant is looking at putting a side road down to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28810.525, "end": 28811.105, "text": "east" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28811.425, "end": 28812.425, "text": "and to the" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28812.745, "end": 28817.105, "text": "south of that is the uh senior center and they're also doing a side road, so we'll" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28817.405, "end": 28818.565, "text": "we'll have four lanes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28819.285, "end": 28819.645, "text": "But w" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28820.105, "end": 28823.625, "text": "like for c connectivity, just because it's been a real source of uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28824.065, "end": 28830.625, "text": "irritant to the S Jill Silverado in the neighborhood. To the north of there, those two people, I remember they were holding on forever" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28830.785, "end": 28832.045, "text": "to sell to get money." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28832.465, "end": 28835.725, "text": "But what are we gonna do about twinning do we have a plan, I guess, to go up" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28835.945, "end": 28836.505, "text": "two" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28836.985, "end": 28840.985, "text": "twenty-two to have that road going just north of where this property is" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28841.465, "end": 28846.245, "text": "and then to the south of the senior center if you go down to where Silverton's gonna be to one ninety fourth." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28847.225, "end": 28852.845, "text": "Do we can you tell me maybe let me what we've got ro roads there? Because we do need to have that four lanes done and what's the plan." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_13", "start": 28855.545, "end": 28953.405, "text": "Through the chair, Shane Lampille, Development Engineering, 100%. You're right, Councillor McLean, that is a four-lane road coming through Stony Trail, uh heading all the way south past south past 210. Um, non-participatory landowners are always a challenge for infrastructure. And that's what we have here. Um the city does not go out and say thou shalt do this and that. Um, in that kind of area, we really do have to work with those landowners and really with the applicants in the area. So for this applicant, when subdivision occurs, um, as you mentioned, there'll obviously be the road on the east side, on the south side, 190th Avenue, and then the remaining two lanes of Sheriff King will be built to their ultimate condition. And our preference is to um work with the landowners to the north to complete that uh connection for the benefit of everybody and do it now while you have a developer and contractors, consultants, everyone who's mobilized. It makes a lot of sense just to build upon uh that for the future plan of the city, which is going to happen someday. So that's always a discussion we have with these non-participatory landowners. I've done it myself many times over the last decade, and we'll have that conversation uh with these folks as well. But ultimately it's going to be up to them should they want to participate. Uh, so we'll work with the developer. Um, we'll probably reach out to your office as well to talk about uh what we can do to work together to get Sheriff King to its ultimate form for the benefit of everybody who now lives here and who will be living here." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28953.705, "end": 28959.525, "text": "Excellent. Yeah, that's what we want. I did talk to the owners to the north. They still let me put a campaign sign up, so that was nice." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28960.885, "end": 28962.885, "text": "So I'll help with" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28963.085, "end": 28966.365, "text": "'Cause I want to see that completed because that part right there has been kind of uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28966.545, "end": 28970.665, "text": "I never would have thought in a million years it was going to take another twenty years since I moved from there. But" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28971.065, "end": 28974.665, "text": "anyways, hopefully we'll work together and we'll get uh that road done. Thank you. That's all I have." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 28976.165, "end": 28977.525, "text": "All right, Councillor McClain, you want to move it?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28978.745, "end": 28983.725, "text": "Uh yeah, again, I think I've said it all. This is just a great addition to kind of a puzzle piece to get fixed." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28984.245, "end": 28989.045, "text": "I know it took a little while for Cardell to come in with Silverton to bring in the utilities and the uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28989.605, "end": 28990.425, "text": "the the water." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28991.425, "end": 28991.965, "text": "So" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 28992.225, "end": 29002.985, "text": "Let's get her done. Let's build that house. Uh the storage lot that's going to be there. I talked to the applicant. I mean there is a big need for that and just more of they've got a nice mixed use there, so I encourage you all to support this." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29003.465, "end": 29006.665, "text": "I think so. It's been moved by Councillor McLean. Uh seconded by" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29007.125, "end": 29007.845, "text": "Councillor Jameson." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29008.305, "end": 29008.965, "text": "Go with it. Okay." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29010.125, "end": 29011.665, "text": "Artie over to Councillor Kelly." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 29013.025, "end": 29048.585, "text": "Thank you, worship. Um, I appreciate Councillor McLean's sort of history there of all this being green space as far as the eye can see and his dog. My my question to admin is how old is Councillor McLean? No, I I'm joking. Uh no, I just uh a really quick educational question just here. I'm not gonna surprise you, I'm asking about the DC on this particular site. Uh I'm just curious in terms of like, is this a standard thing with self storage facilities, the DC based on a C C one? I'm just I'm like, is that standard across the city, or why uh why is a DC required for a self storage facility?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29052.825, "end": 29112.545, "text": "Through the chair. The self-storage facility needs the DC because self-storage facilities are typically right now in our land use plan or land use bylaws, sorry, in industrial districts. So self-storage facilities in a community context are a new and evolving thing that we are seeing more of in new neighborhoods. You know, with the with the smaller, smaller houses and storage spaces. I believe there has been this need for self-storage facilities that are closer to communities and not off in industrial areas. So the DC allows us to have a base district like the community commercial district that is appropriate for the area, that has appropriate uses that are not industrial uses, but then allows the addition of the self storage facility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29113.065, "end": 29124.185, "text": "The DC also has rules that for the self-storage facility, so it integrates into that community better. So there are some additional rules in the DC for that for that facility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 29127.125, "end": 29128.445, "text": "Generally speaking," }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 29128.925, "end": 29137.645, "text": "Are currently our self-storage facilities are for the most part in industrial areas, and so they have like an IC zoning or something along those lines. Is that correct?" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29137.885, "end": 29140.145, "text": "Yep, they're mostly in IG districts." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 29140.145, "end": 29140.565, "text": "IG." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_04", "start": 29140.645, "end": 29140.925, "text": "Yeah." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 29141.305, "end": 29166.825, "text": "Okay. Um yeah, I think it this might be something to throw back to sort of admin, just like if we're starting to see more of these kinds of applications like this, just to like maybe update our industrial strategy or something. Just like it I want I just want to make sure that this is not like being handled on a one off and that we have a little bit more of a more of a a plan, if you will, in terms of how the these will be handled uh in the future. But generally speaking, in terms of this, I I love this and um" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 29167.925, "end": 29171.365, "text": "I look forward to visiting Grandpa McLean's self-storage facility." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 29174.345, "end": 29175.345, "text": "I uh" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_35", "start": 29175.505, "end": 29175.905, "text": "I" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29177.645, "end": 29180.165, "text": "Wouldn't have expected to hear those words, but uh" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29181.065, "end": 29183.505, "text": "this has been an interesting year so far at least." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29184.025, "end": 29185.405, "text": "Alright, uh Councillor McLean, close." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 29186.125, "end": 29188.765, "text": "Thank you. And I am a grandpa with four grandkids." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 29189.785, "end": 29193.885, "text": "And a son when I was nineteen. See I can start early. I get things done fast." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 29194.485, "end": 29198.085, "text": "Three kids by twenty five, blah, blah, blah." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29198.725, "end": 29202.325, "text": "Remember, you get you got your chance for the maiden speech if you ever want it." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 29203.185, "end": 29207.605, "text": "I think Jennifer Weiness, Councillor Wynnes, wants to go home. So I'll I'll I'll just wrap this up." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 29209.705, "end": 29214.805, "text": "Again, this is just a puzzle piece that just needs to be done. I was so glad to hear that your responses that we know that we have." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 29215.065, "end": 29222.445, "text": "A connectivity problem. It's one of the fastest growing areas in the entire city. With Silverado came on, then there's Yorkville and Belmont and Sorracco." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 29222.745, "end": 29226.945, "text": "That little annexation, that's all part of the connectivity. Just to wrap that all up in a bow." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 29227.165, "end": 29235.845, "text": "A couple of interchanges down in that area, and I'll be just super happy. So all I need to do is this. I think we have uh support. Just vote yes, and then we can wrap up this meeting and" }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 29236.185, "end": 29236.625, "text": "go home." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_16", "start": 29237.125, "end": 29237.545, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29239.305, "end": 29242.525, "text": "Alright, that's been uh closed. Madam Clerk, let's please engage the U vote." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29256.365, "end": 29258.485, "text": "Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29259.065, "end": 29260.365, "text": "Mayor Focus, your vote, please." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29260.585, "end": 29260.885, "text": "Yes." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29261.065, "end": 29261.325, "text": "Thank you." }, { "speaker": "SPEAKER_09", "start": 29262.605, "end": 29263.405, "text": "All the votes are in." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29265.185, "end": 29267.185, "text": "Alright, let's uh display the results, please." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29269.385, "end": 29277.625, "text": "On 7.2.12, the land use amendment and silver auto ward 13. The motion is carried unanimously, 15 to 0. We'll move now to the readings of the bylaw." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29278.485, "end": 29289.525, "text": "First reading of bylaw 11 D 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 11 D 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29290.065, "end": 29296.865, "text": "Authorization for third reading of bylaw 11D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29297.285, "end": 29301.565, "text": "Third reading of bylaw 11 D 2026. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29301.865, "end": 29302.665, "text": "Hearing none," }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29303.065, "end": 29304.145, "text": "that is carried." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29304.945, "end": 29313.645, "text": "Uh moved by Councillor Chabot, seconded by Councillor McLean to adjourn. Before I hit the gavel, remember we're back here at 8 a.m. for strategic session." }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29314.145, "end": 29316.165, "text": "On the motion to adjourn. Anyone opposed?" }, { "speaker": "Mayor J. Farkas", "start": 29316.445, "end": 29317.645, "text": "Seeing none, that is carried." } ], "full_text": "Good morning and welcome to the January 20th, 2026 public hearing meeting of Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the role. Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Pentezopoulos, Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, Councillor Shabeau, Present. Councillor Clark, Present. Councillor Dollywall, Councillor Jameson, Present. Councillor Johnston, Councillor Kelly, Present. Councillor McLean, Here. and Mayor Farkas. I am here. Thank you, Mayor. Oki, Ambawastish, Danitada, Tanshe. Indigenous peoples have their own names for this area that have been in use long before settlers named this place Calgary. In the Blackfoot language, it is called Mokinstis. The Ethka Nakota Wakastabi First Nations refer to this place as Wachispa Oyadeh, and the people of the Sutina nation call it Gustis. The Metis call the Calgary area. We'll ask everyone to please mute. Smash that mute button like it's 2020, please. Uh and and the Metis call the Calgary area Otasquini. We appreciate and acknowledge that we are gathered on the ancestral and traditional territory of the Blackfoot nations of the Siksika, Pikani, and Kainai First Nations, the Yethka Nakota Wakestabi First Nations, comprised of the Chinniki, Bearspaw, and Good Stoney First Nations, and the Satana Nation. The city of Calgary is also homeland to the historic Northwest Metis and to the Otipanosawak Metis government. Metis Nation Battle River Territory, Nosehill, Metis District 5, and Elbow Metis District 6. We acknowledge and give gratitude to the many First Nations, Metis and Inuit, who live here and call Calgary home. Council members, we have uh two recognitions prior to us uh entering into the uh formal agenda, but first off the top, uh I am very, very pleased to welcome the leadership team of three military units headquartered in Calgary to our council chamber. We have Commander Colonel Kyle Clapperton and Sergeant Major Chief Warrant Officer Ted Coder here are here on behalf of the 41st Canadian Brigade Group. The 41 CBG is a Canadian Army Reserve Formation consisting of 1,815 soldiers serving in nine units with roles in infantry infantry, armored reconnaissance, artillery. Engineering, signals, and service report support. Units are located in five cities across Alberta and in Yellowknife. Members train part-time throughout the year and full-time in the summer, balancing civilian careers with military service. And I should mention many of those who serve are also City of Calgary employees as well. The 41st supports domestic operations such as disaster relief and augments Canadian Armed Forces operations internationally. So welcome to the council chamber, all of you. So before we welcome you, I'd like to just acknowledge each of the uh composite leaderships. So if you hold back, I'll ask uh a couple individuals, uh individual by individual, to come and approach so that you can be individually recognized. We have nearly 2,000 soldiers who who are you are here to represent, and we want to make sure that each of those uh units have the recognition that they each deserve. So, first we have commanding officer Lieutenant uh Colonel Mike McKillop and Regimental Sergeant Major Chief Warrant Officer William Klein. They're here on behalf of the Calgary Highlanders. The Calgary Highlanders are a Canadian Army Reserve Infantry Regiment. The unit consists of 200 personnel. The unit perpetuates the 10th Battalion Canadian Expeditionary Force of the First perpetuates the 10th Battalion Canadian Expeditionary Force of the First World War. They support domestic operations and international missions, proudly bearing the model, a Scottish Gaelic word meaning onward. So welcome to your council chamber. And as I invite you to cross the podium, we will at the very end, once you've all been called upon, for a meet uh a photo with all of your city council. Next, we have Commanding Officer Lieutenant Colonel John Fisher and Regimental Sergeant Major Representative, Master Warrant Officer Kevin Fenton. They are here on behalf of the King's Own Cavalry Regiment. The King's Own Cavalry Regiment is a Canadian Army Reserve Armored Reconnaissance Unit. The unit consists of 175 personnel. Originating in 1910, it supports domestic tasks and augments overseas deployments. The regiment's motto is a familiar one. Onward. Welcome to your council chamber. I also had the uh privilege to spend time this morning with six exceptional individuals proudly representing Calgren Canada. Now, as uh dictates uh on behalf of the city of Calgary, I will accept a small gift offered by this group. group. Actually, we have a few other individuals. Kyle, come on on the other side of the bar. I don't have the specific notes to introduce you as I did at the very beginning. So we'll ask uh our uh amazing service member just to join here tight. Council members, I'd like to ask you as well just to come tight uh behind uh these individuals and we'll get a uh group photo of uh our servicemen right here at the uh chair. All right, colleagues, coming in in tight here, and we will get the photo and uh let's get our servicemen uh in the front. Actually, uh maybe Councillor Kelly, Deputy Nimor Johnson, let's get you in tight uh as part of Calgary Salutes. Actually, Deputy Mayor, come on back. Councillor. Well again it's like one. Mayor, we have a small token So I have here a uh very small token of appreciation from military history of your regiments in Calgary. oh thank you, thank you so much uh for spending the time with us this morning. Yeah thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you as well. You're free to go unless you want to be part of our public hearing. So as we're moving through here to the agenda. I am also thrilled to have a second recognition in this chamber. I'm thrilled to acknowledge a Calgarian who was recently appointed to the Order of Canada. Established in 1967, the Order of Canada is one of the country's highest civilian honors, recognizing individuals who have made extraordinary contributions to Canada. Members of the Order of Canada are recognized for inspiring innovation, shaping who we are as Canadians, and enriching the fabric of our country. In December, a Calgarian received this prestigious honor. In the council chamber today, we have Dr. Carl Tom, who is a professor in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Calgary. In 1973, he founded the Family Therapy Program, where he served as director for 50 years. He is widely recognized for advancing systems theory and systemic clinical practice and for pioneering collaborative. Conversational approaches to therapy informed by constructivist, narrative, bringforthist, and social constructionist ideas. Dr. Tom has organized numerous workshops, conferences, and seminars at the University of Calgary. He's also taught extensively across North America, Europe, Australia, Asia, and South America. His work is widely published in international family therapy literature, and he has served on several editorial boards. In 2006, he received the American Family Therapy Academy's Lifetime Achievement Award. And in 2026, he became a member of the Order of Canada. Dr. Tom, thank you so much for taking the time to be here with us today. On behalf of my council colleagues, please rise as we wish you congratulations on receiving this honor. Thank you, colleagues and members of the public, for indulging these recognitions. We will now move into the agenda. We have finished point three recognitions, and we are now on question period. I am first in the queue. I will direct my question to City Manager Duckworth. We had the opportunity at the Emergency Operations Center to wind down the operations there. We had the opportunity to thank and celebrate a lot of the staff, the frontline people who had been working over the 18 days from December 30th, assisting in the emergency response. We also had the opportunity to share a brief update on what the status of the replacement pipe for the Bear Spa South Feeder Main would be. So I was hoping that you could recap some of the information that was shared in that press availability and otherwise update City Council on what the status of the replacement is. So sure. So thank you for that question, Mayor Farkas. So first, uh thank you to Calgarians for your efforts to reduce water consumption as we made our way through a two week period, crisis period to do the critical repairs to the Bears Boss South Feeder Main. And extra special kudos and thanks to city staff and contractors that worked day and night to ensure that those repairs were done as quickly and as effectively and efficiently as possible. So just backing up all the way to June, if I could, in June 2024, when the initial break happened, we spent uh 2024, we did 29 critical repairs on the Bears Puss South Feeder Main. We installed acoustic monitoring equipment down its entire six kilometer length. And we had we were under the impression that we had stabilized the pipe and that we had this monitoring equipment in place that if there was a problem, we could go in and rectify it quickly. On December 30th, we learned that that's no longer true. While there's water flowing through the pipe right now, we know that there could be another break at any point in time in the future. Which means that the replacement main The six kilometer replacement main needs to be constructed as quickly as possible. We had original timelines and uh to like I said, we thought we had stabilized the pipe so the design was fast tracked. We did that over eight months instead of a couple years. We felt we had a couple years to be able to do this construction work. We now know that is no longer the case. So Mr. Thompson, my teams across the city are moving at light speed to make sure that we actually do construct. And implement a new main as quickly as possible. So Mr. Thompson and his team will be updating council and the public here real soon around those timelines. What I can tell you what we've done is in December, actually before the December 30th break, we had issued a request for proposal to hire a contractor to do this replacement construction. We have since, given the urgency that we're at today, we have actually canceled that contract. We have awarded a contract to Borden Burke construction for the construction of that main. We've also awarded Soul Source a contract to Graham Construction to be the construction manager. And so that work is will happen expeditiously. The timelines will be updated with Council and the Public here real soon. I know Mr. Thompson and his team are in fact working on that, but we we know that we do not have a long period of time to get this replacement constructed. My team and I are doing we were focused on the initial repairs that happened on December 30th. We're focused on implementing the independent panels reviews recommendations, and we're Focused on delivering a brand new replacement main as quickly as we can for the Bears Poss South Feeder Main. So Mary, I hope that helps. Thank you. Over to Councillor Chabot for question period. I don't know if it's great minds think alike or fools seldom differ, but I have a very similar question. Um A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B, Councillor. sorry. Um so um in 2024 council obviously had identified the need to replace this pipe and and included in the strategic planning meeting um prior to uh the election, we had identified some capital uh infrastructure needs, including the replacement of this pipe. But that process involved um a competitive process bidding, uh getting RFPs from multiple companies so we get the highest or the the best possible price for this replacement. And now, in light of the fact that that more recently we received a note from GM Thompson that this was now going to be sole sourced. Um I I guess it's kind of a two-part question. Uh so council identified a specific budget amount to replace this pipe through the RFP competitive process. Uh so I guess the question is, uh under what authority was this determined to go to a sole source contract? And and at which point then will council uh be required to weigh in on this decision because it obviously will have some budgetary implications. Yeah, thank you for the uh question, Councillor Chabot. Um so if I just fa back up uh to December 30th, like uh uh CAO Duckworth indicated. December 30th, this pipe failed uh without warning. It was not uh picked up on that fiber optic system uh that uh CAO Duckworth indicated we had installed. And we worked as quickly as possible to restore the line and get it back up and running. What we discussed with Calgarians as we were working through that repair process, the two largest risks to our community at that time were if the Glenmore water treatment plant has a failure in it, we have a single point of failure and we would not be able to supply drinking water to Calgaryans. And the volume of water in the Glenmore reservoir was quickly being depleted. I've said publicly before we had the opportunity to repair that line two more times before the spring runoff starts. That gives and really means we have six weeks of drinking water available in the Glenmore reservoir before we run out, if we are using the Glenmoir water treatment plant at three times the typical usage in the winter. Given the urgency that we had with running out of water, if that pipe is out of service for an additional six weeks, we evaluated the risks that we were facing as a community. We made the decision to cancel the existing procurement and to award it directly to a contractor who could start immediately. We did that on Friday. That team started on Friday. On Friday, we ordered the materials for the replacement pipe. We turned equipment and started bringing it to Calgary. You will see equipment starting to show up in the field at the end of this week and you will see construction happening. That contract was supposed to finish or uh Conclude on the tender process was supposed to close on January 29th. We do not have the time to wait until January 29th and go through the procurement process and put us at risk of not having this replacement pipe constructed by next winter. We are at risk if this pipe breaks again without having that water source, that we would run out of water as a community. And so that is why we took the unprecedented Direction to cancel the existing procurement, to award it to a contractor who was bidding on the project, and to extend the contract that we had with Graham Construction, which we had previously selected to be our general construction manager for this work going forward. We will be back to council for requesting additional funds for this project as we go forward. As you indicated in council's strategic plan, which was approved, we had already Had funding in place for stage A, which was from the Shaganapi pump station to the Sarsea Trail Interchange to construct that piece of work. We will be back requesting additional funds from council for stage B, which is from the Sarce Trail Interchange to the Bow River, as well as the reinforcement work that will be required along this line. We need to build this pipe as quickly as possible, as safely as possible, and with high quality so that we have that quality infrastructure for future generations. At the same time, we have to ensure we have resilience of that existing pipe. And so we will be back to council to ask for those additional funds and to update on schedule and what that plan looks like. Yeah, and as per the new procedural bylaw, a very uh tangential uh supplementary question, if I may. So, based on what you just said, is council hasn't made a decision on this, administration had the authority to make this decision independent of council. So council makes decisions on the funding for projects. Administration makes decisions on the procurement process for projects. Again, council does not get engaged in the procurement process for projects. Administration made the unprecedented move to award this contract as quickly as possible, given the urgency and the emergency situation that we're in. Thank you. I I I think we can all agree that it was urgent. Thank you very much for those answers. Thank you. Uh and then to Councillor Dollywall for the uh final question of question period. Uh there is others in the queue, but you'll have an opportunity first thing tomorrow at that council meeting. Thank you, Chair. My question was gonna be about that eleven percent poor, uh very poor uh infrastructure. But is it okay if I present my question period to Mr. Callie, Councillor Kelly, because he has a more uh community question that he has requested me he would like to ask. All right, Councillor Kelly. Thank you very much, Councillor Dollywall. I really I really appreciate you uh uh taking that step. Um I I've been receiving questions And I should just mention, just for precedence, uh I'm not going to allow somebody to get in and then delegate their question to a Councillor of their choice. I will go to who uh who is next in the queue. And in this case, Councillor Kelly was next in the queue. I just want to clarify as why why I allowed that. I appreciate that. That that's good clarification. Throughout the campaign and through my first couple of months here in office, I've been receiving quite a few questions from residents of Highland Park and the community association about the old Highland Park golf course. Minor saying is that there's a lawsuit currently between the developer and the city Calgary and has been ongoing for about six years now. With a new council, 10 of us that are brand new. I'm wondering would administration, this is likely a qu a question for Solicitor Flowen, would you be able to provide an update to council on what's happening, where the lawsuit is at, et cetera? Thank you. Yeah, I definitely can. Um, so this is a claim, it's a complicated claim against the city with respect to a proposed development. It's proceeding in the Court of King's Bench, and of course, all litigation in the Court of King's Bench is subject to the rules of court. The rules of court sets out procedure that must be followed, and depending on the complexity, it can take a significant period of time in order to complete all of those procedural steps. One of those procedural steps is questioning of all parties by each party, and that is exactly the place where we are in the litigation right now. Do we have an ETA when we might be able to get a little bit more detail, potentially in camera, just recognizing the fact that this is obviously before the courts? Yeah, so it's really important that we complete the questioning so that we have a a fulsome assessment of the the lawsuit both sides. Um and then at that time, which is typical in any litigation, we step back and we do a reassessment of the of the situation. And counsel, this is a major piece of litigation. It is a significant sum. And we were last before council um I think two or three years ago, and uh the commitment was that when a milestone was reached, we would be coming back to you, and we will be coming back to you soon. Yeah. Thank you very much. Uh Councillor McClain, I have an RTS for you, but was that for question period? Okay. Uh we'll get you first thing tomorrow. At 8 a.m. Thanks. You two, uh Councillor Prenziloples. All right, so question period is over. We are now On item five, confirmation of agenda, may I please have a mover and seconder for the confirmation of agenda? Moved by Councillor Chabot, seconded by Councillor Kelly. It's up on the screen. Are there any amendments to the agenda? Great. Seeing none, uh, I'm calling the question. All in favor? Any opposed? Seeing none, that motion is carried unanimously. All right. So uh members of public, give us a moment here as we change around some of the seats and we get into public hearing mode. And we're getting a little light on quorum, guys. Make sure there's at least 10 bums and seats here. Morning. Work. All right, here we go. We had no consent agenda, so we are now on item seven, reports for public hearing. For all items on the agenda under this section, section seven, reports for public hearing, we will start with a presentation by administration representing the recommendations of the Calgary Planning Commission. Then we will open the public hearing. The applicant, if present, will make the first presentation. Once the applicant is finished speaking, we'll go through a list of registered speakers, rotating the remaining registered speakers between those in favor, against, and neither. Council is restricted in these public hearings to issues of land use, the use and not the user. And I may have to step in if you aren't speaking to the specific use that's before us. I'll also take this time to remind everyone that for every public hearing matter, council members have to remain amenable to persuasion. Public speakers have a maximum of five minutes to make their presentation. For those that are presenting in the council chamber, there's a timer on the screen at the podium to help you manage your time. Council members may ask questions after each speaker is finished presenting. For our remote participants, please set a five-minute timer for yourself. After your presentation, please remain on the line as we may have questions for you. After your item concludes, please drop off the telephone line and you're welcome to continue following along through the live stream online. We may establish panels of up to five speakers if there are enough people registered to speak to an item. I don't think it's that kind of council day at council, but we will see. But council will have an opportunity to ask questions after all speakers in the panel are done. Panels of registered speakers will rotate between those in favor, against, and neither, to the extent that it is practical. A speaker cannot transfer any of their speaking time to another speaker. And once we finish with all of the speakers, I will close the public hearing. Questions of clarification from council members to administration can be taken at that point. Then we will go to council to debate the item. I think uh first up we have uh Miss Stingle for item 7.1.1. Take us away. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. My name is Courtney Stengel. I'm a senior planner with community planning, and I'll be presenting the first set of items on the agenda today. Item 7.1.1 is a land use amendment to allow for ground-oriented housing with a minimum density. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 162D 2025 for the redesignation of 2309 Richmond Road Southwest from the residential grade oriented infill, RCG district, to a direct control DC district based on the housing grade oriented HGO district to establish a minimum residential density. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the southwest community of Richmond, east of Crowchild Trail and approximately three blocks south of the former Children's Hospital on 17th Avenue. The site is approximately a five-minute walk from an elementary school, an arts academy, and the Richmond Knob Hill Community Association. Next slide, please. The subject site is a mid-block parcel at the intersection of Richmond Road and 23rd Avenue southwest and is currently developed with a single detached home and rear detached garage. The site has a rear lane across the street from the 22nd Street Park and Playground. Next slide, please. Surrounding development consists primarily of low density homes with single detached homes shown in yellow, semi-detached in orange, and townhouses shown in brown to the northwest. The subject site is currently designated as the residential grade-oriented infill RCG district, which allows for a variety of housing forms, including single detached, semi detached, duplex dwellings, townhouses, and row houses. The maximum building height is 11 meters or about three stories, and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare. Based on the site area, this would allow for up to four dwelling units here. Next slide, please. The proposed direct control DC district is based on the housing grade-oriented HGO district, which allows for a range of housing forms that may be attached, stacked, or clustered. The district allows for a maximum building height of 12 meters and a maximum floor area ratio of 1.5. The proposed DC district differs from the HGO district by including a minimum density of 60 units per hectare, which would require at least three units to be built. To reinforce the minimum requirement of three units, the dwelling unit use has been replaced with a multi residential development use, which requires a building form with at least three units. This allows all of the rules and uses in the district to align with one another. Next slide, please. This application falls within the West Elbow Community's Local Area Plan approved by Council in May 2025. The site is part of the Neighborhood Connector Urban Form category, which is in alignment with the location criteria set out in the purpose statement of the HGO district, which notes that it should be located in neighborhood connector or neighborhood flex areas for communities with a local area plan. These are intended for a mix of housing forms and anticipate higher frequencies of units and entrances facing the street. The direct control district, based on the HGO district, is in alignment with the policy. Next slide, please. This proposal would allow for increased density on a residential parcel next to a park and near local amenities in alignment with the local area plan and the location criteria in the land use bylaw. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw 162D 2025. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you, Ms. Stinkle. Let us please open the public hearing on 7.1.1 land use amendment in Richmond Ward 8. Do we have the applicant with us? Come on up. Good morning, Mayor Councillors. My name is Li Wang. I'm uh uh by the owner MACDU. We'll each uh speak for five minutes. Uh so I have a presentation here. So, first of all, uh I want to uh uh say uh thanks for giving us the opportunity to delay this uh to this uh to this uh agenda. We take the opportunity to go speak with the uh community association. Um so the first slide is right here. So you as you can see, this uh lot is uh close to many uh a many space and also the commercial and social establishment. It's also right by a park space. Next slide, please. So as you can see, uh there is uh a big green space right behind this lot. Uh we uh we think this green space create a perfect spot for families to enjoy. Next slide please. So in response to many comments received, we have taken the actions to cut the number units from four to three, and also cut a lot coverage from 60% to 50% and dramatically increase the landscaping from required 20%, I believe, to 30%. And then the next slide, please. And then we also create these small features like the garage, the patio on top of the garage, for the families to gather in while watching their kids play in the park space. Next slide, please. As the presenter makes it uh perfectly clear that uh this proposal fully aligns with our local air plan, which defines Richmond Road as uh uh uh the lot along Richmond Road as a neighborhood collector uh uh with a building scale of up to four stories. Next slide, please. Next slide, please. So despite our local airplane, which is meant to guide the order development of the area after extensive engagement, unfortunately many parcels in Richmond are subject to restrict covenant that limits the development to single or two units only. This region covenant was used as early planning too and lacks the ability to adapt with the good subsidy. Currently we have no zoning, which set up minimum density. The current proposal DC allows development the lot in full alignment of the local airplane while maintaining the edge goal best to accommodate great oriented housing. The look at blank clearly states that where the jury covenant is not in alignment with goals and objectives of the plan, the City Calgary supports the direction of the plan. To show the extent of how the covenant will affect this specific community, I took the time to start a two-right covenant, only two rigid covenant, and then this is what I get. Next slide, please. So on this map, I highlighted the areas that are affected by the rigid covenant. I need to stress that this is only after I started two rigid covenant within the lot. I have to pull all the title and stuff. So it's a very extensive work to get to the full detail of this. Next slide, please. And then you can see as you can see through this map, this part of the puzzle belongs to Westbrook Community's local airplane. The local airplane defines some area as neighborhood commercial, neighborhood flagged, and then but the local but the rich covenant says you can only build single or duplex only on the slot with no commercial at all. Next slide, please. This part of the puzzle is under West Ebro community's local airplane. As you can see again, our local airplane identifies many areas within the community that shows a neighborhood flag or nephew collector, but same thing as per the covenant, it says only single duplex can be built here. So the point I want to make here is if we want to orderly develop our land through the two or local airplane, the covenant will be a problem for us to actually do that. Unfortunately, right now we don't have any zoning with minimum density. So this application simply to seek cities' authority under the Municipal Government Act to define whether this lot is appropriate for more density. Next slide, please. So we took the public engagement very seriously. We not only listen, but to make concrete effort for compromise. So there are a few main things we did. One, we cut a number of units from four to three. We have some family oriented design with that with that garage patio. We also cut a lot of coverage from 60% to 50%. And we also did enchance landscaping features to support family oriented development on this specific lot. Thank you, sir. You're you're just a time. However, would a Councillor like to ask him to finish on what he did in terms of public engagement? Councillor Schmidt. Get your mic on? Yeah. Sorry, thank you for that. Um, I'll just invite you to uh briefly uh finish your presentation. Next slide, please. So at DB State, we need to continue work with the local residents and community association with regard to those few main stuff, including the functional and usable on the many space, reducing the perception of the billion mass from adjacent puzzles. We also need mitigated overlooking, shadowing, and privacy concerns. So the work will continue. Next slide, please. To sum up, the proposal fully aligns with our local airplane, both in terms of best zoning and also use of direct control. There's no current zoning setting up minimum density. That's the only reason we need to rely on direct control. Without direct control, the policy goal of local airplane cannot be achieved as youth covenant affects a large area of the land. We sincerely hope can counselors can take a case by case approach. I emphasize I humbly uh request the council to take a case by case approach. I see the mayor's project. With that, I conclude my part. Thank you. Any other questions, Councillor? Yes, uh so we uh first heard from you on this application back in December. You requested that it be delayed. Um we do see some changes here, taking down the number of units and uh improving the landscaping. So can can you just specif specifically touch on how the uh added time for engagement affected uh your presentation here today from the previous presentation? Through the mayor to Councillor, thanks very much for the question. First of all, I want to say we appreciate the opportunity provided by counselors to delay this to give us more time to go talk with the community association and neighbors. We always believe that engagement is not only to listen, but also to seek meaningful compromise. In this case, we sincerely take our many steps that uh uh you know uh from the number unit from four plus four to three plus three, the landscaping the uh Gouache Paddy features. And of course, as I mentioned, the uh engagement will continue at the DP stage. Uh I um you know, through the discussion with the community association, I would say we did meet some of their requests, uh, but there's some fundamental, uh fundamental uh perceptions from some members of the community association that only want singles and duplex in those lots that are affected by Richard Covenant. Uh especially to this community of Richmond, uh, as I only started two Richard Covenants, uh, it's already affecting a large chunk of this community. Uh, and then it also affects two local airplanes with that after of extensive public engagement and a lot of effort. So I sincerely I feel that uh uh we we did meet a lot of uh a lot of demand, but there are some fundamentals that uh we personally uh in a group that I cannot agree with. We feel uh local airplanes better too to governing the uh orderly developer uh development of the uh city uh with the uh with the understanding that our city continue to grow from a city of 200,000 people to uh over right now 1.5 million. We might see over 2 million people under the leadership of this council. So I feel uh a cast by case approach is warranted instead of a one uh one thing fit all approach. Uh so that's why we uh we propose it like what it is now. Thank you. Uh thanks for that and for uh putting in that additional work. I don't have any further questions. Thank you. Any other questions for the applicant? Okay. Thank you so much for being here with us. Is there anyone on the line or in person who would like to speak to this item 7.1.1 land use amendment in Richmond? Sorry, I I may the owner also wants. Yeah. So we have the uh owner as well who'd like to speak in favor? Yeah. Please come on up. Hi, counselors. Thank you for letting me speak today. As a first-time developer, I can tell you I've learned a lot through this process. What I can say is when I went through the whole process, my intention here was not to look at a spreadsheet and maximize all the profit and everything I could gain from this. Intentionally, we put in, as Lay said, larger units. Actually, there are four bedrooms upstairs. Because the trend I'm seeing is even though studios and one-bedroom rents are coming down, three bedrooms, four bedrooms, and up are actually staying the same or going up in some cases because I think there's a lot of shared housing going on with multi-generational families and whatnot. The second reason I wanted to do this project is because I actually own a business as well called Revive Lifestyle Fitness, three minutes away from the site. And two years ago, I was very close to actually closing that down because of the challenges of COVID and things like that. Found a staff member. She's my manager now, and she was commuting an hour to and from work every day. She lives in Shawnee. And so not only was it an entrepreneurial purpose for developing this project, but being able in the future to offer someone who's been so critical to my business some form of subsidized or affordable housing. She actually came here from the Philippines has been amazing, and I really hope that offering that can also help keep her within the business long term. Thank you. Thank you. Any council members have questions for the speaker? Councillor Schmidt? Thanks for that and um well congratulations for being d going through this for the first time as well. Um So this is the land use stage where we ask specific questions around that. But given you're the owner of the site and we've heard from Mr. Wang about continued engagement through the development permit stage, and just given that engagement is important overall, um, would just like to hear your thoughts about being involved with Mr. Wang as this moves forward as the owner of the property and uh your enthusiasm and willingness to uh participate in that? Yeah, absolutely. You know, I've I've had my business in Bankview, which is again three minutes from the site for uh excuse this year's our tenth year. Um so I'm very open to uh community engagement. Um we serve uh in the gym ourselves, we have about 150 members, so we serve a lot of people in the local community, so um definitely open to uh having feedback. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Any other questions? Seeing none, thank you so much uh for being here. Any other speakers who would like to speak to this item? All right. Seeing none, uh, we will close the public hearing and I'll go over to you, uh, Councillor McLean, for uh recognition. Well, thank you, Mayor. It is my honor and privilege to introduce you all to the grade four students of Woodlands School in Ward 13. Big wave, everybody. I had a fantastic time speaking with you kids. You asked a lot of questions, a ton of really good questions. And fun fact, kids, we get asked questions too. At the beginning of every city council meeting, remember I told you there's 14 counselors and a mayor, and we call this the horseshoe, and three of us. Get asked questions, but you have to react real quick and hit your button. It's like a game. Only the three can get in on their question. And this morning, I was number four, so I had to get my question asked, which was going to ask the administration why they're thinking about prohibiting the private sector from providing street lighting in the neighborhoods, and wanted the administration to do it. So I didn't get to ask that question. So maybe I might have to do that tomorrow. Always tomorrow. Tomorrow. You guys did ask a question though. You asked how and why do communities change over time? And the answer to that is because people's needs and their lives change. You know, the city grows, we have new technologies, people move in, they move out. And that's what we're going to be talking a lot about here today. This is what's called public hearing where we're going to talk about new land uses and new growth and subdivisions and housing. Pretty, pretty boring stuff. But I'm glad you guys came down here. It was a real joy to talk with you kids yesterday. So now what I'd like you to do is stand up, because this is live streamed. All sorts of people are watching this. You might get noticed and become famous. So stand up and let us all give you a big hand. Thanks, Andre. All right. The public hearing is closed. We are on to questions administration with starting with Councillor Kelly. Uh thank you, worship. Um to admin that this is I'm looking for a little bit of guidance, not necessarily on this particular application, but sort of in general, because what I'm seeing here in front of us is we basically have three different sort of, if you will, planning documents that are not aligned. We we have uh the local area plan saying that this would be uh uh a neighborhood connector, we have uh the uh land use map saying that this would be RCG, and then the restrictive covenant as well. So, sort of first question I wonder if you can just speak to a little bit when we when we're faced with those sort of three, what sort of is the the hierarchy of that? In your mind. Thank you for the question. Through the chair, restrictive covenants are a private matter that is not something that is taken into consideration throughout our review. We do look at the planning policy in the area. So in this case, that would be the municipal municipal development plan as our overarching plan. And then it gets more specific with our local area plans. Our local area plans here do categorize it as the neighborhood connector, which does open up a variety of different building options and things that we anticipate to see here. The proposal for the H GO or the direct control based on the H GO district does align with the local area plan. And I guess that's uh uh my next question is just uh we obviously have not yet updated the um the land use map based on the local area plans that we've uh that we have passed to this point. But given that neighborhood connector, would that most closely line to HGO? Is that kind of what we see as the most close alignment between those two things? There are a variety of land uses that can work with the neighborhood connector. We also do need to look at the building scale as well. There may be all other items of the local area plan that come into play, such as transit station areas, neighborhood connection areas, main street areas. So there are multiple different things that could work here. The HGO district does align with the local area plan as a possibility. Uh thanks. And I and I definitely look forward to us having a conversation as a council about fixing that in a little bit more of a holistic way instead of sort of on a on a on a case by case basis once we have a few more of these LAPs and we've taken a look at the land use uh bylaw. Uh final question just um on on this particular one. Um from administration's standpoint, uh why not come forward with the HGO then? Why go with the DC? The proposal before us is something that comes through on a case by case basis from the applicant. The applicant did want to have a direct control district that had a limit on or a minimum number of units allowed on the parcel. It did align with the use of a DC in our land use bylaw and it does align with the local area plan. So from our perspective, it is something that is supportable. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Councillor Panzopoulos. Two questions. When you look at the map, it's RCG, and then there's a few times in today's public hearing where we're sort of carving out. So we've got sort of this big plan, and then individually, and just maybe talk through five, ten, twenty years from now, when we've got, you know, we think of city planning, we've got these big districts, and then it sort of moves, and all of a sudden there's a hundred little pieces of pie. Can you just sort of speak to that? Like I'm thinking in two years, when then three more DCs come in in four years, and we're talking about infrastructure and what works, and there's just doesn't appear to be continuity. Can you sort of speak to that approach? Um how can we think about that? Thank you. Absolutely, through the chair. What we typically see is we start off with a community through an outline plan, and you do see those large swathes of different districts, RCG, RG, RGM, the M districts. And then as communities grow and change, we do see applications come in looking for something a little bit different on the parcel. When we are reviewing these individual applications, such as the one before us today, we do look at our policy and we look at it and we say, okay, what does this area want to be when it grows up, so to speak? So in this case here, it may have started off as RCG, but our local area plan says it may evolve into something that is more intense, looking at more doors on the street, and then we look at the proposed district, the HGO district, and we look at it and we say, okay, this aligns with what the plan has in mind for the future. When we go to the next stages, should this be approved by council and we look at the development permit, then of course we go into even more detail about the number of units that are proposed, how they're working with everything on the street, how it's working with the neighbors, and we keep getting more and more specific as we go down the planning continuum. Thanks so much for that. Uh the local area plan, um, how engaged is with the community associations? This one was just approved about six, seven months ago, back in May 2025. Can you just speak to that? Were they active? Uh, would they get their opinions? And and the reason I'm asking is on page 131, it very clearly states the city of Calgary supports the direction of this plan where there is a um a covenant, you know, basically saying that this plan sort of supersedes, but the community association was very adamant against that, saying it shouldn't be the policy of the city. So I just really would understand if they're specific on this, how much engagement, because there's quite a bifurcation. If this was a 30 year old plan, I can see the difference, but this literally is ink is still wet. Thank you. Through the chair, I know the community associations are quite involved throughout the process, as well as it goes through a public hearing before it gets approved ultimately by council and implemented. I wasn't a part of the community engagement on this one, so I I can't speak specifically to what this community association said during the LAP phase. Good morning. Um, Kevin Fraze, manager of local area planning. Yes, uh, Ms. Stengel is correct. The community association is engaged throughout the course of a local area plan. Uh, they um appoint representatives to uh to sit on our working group committee and are actively engaged throughout the process to provide their input. Their input is factored into all of the different uh considerations that we take in terms of ultimately coming up with the map and all of the policies that associate with that. Uh so you you explained pretty clearly that the this application aligns with the LAP and the MDP. Um are both of those plans from the department's perspective in the public interest as far as a policy that we should follow as council? They are council approved direction. That is our direction that we do look at every time that we look at our applications, so yes. And so then uh you know, taking it from council to the administration side, how do planners define and determine the public interest when it comes to applications like this? Each application is reviewed based on its own merits, and we do review the planning policy, which is council's direction, and we ensure that they are in alignment. As we go down the planning continuum, we get more and more specific details on the application. So this is more high level since it is a land use. And then as we get to the DP level where we start looking at the specific building details, then we can also work with the community and the landowner and everything at that stage as well. So then as far as the the trade-offs, uh you explained it well there, but Even in the land use stage, when you're considering this from a public interest perspective, do you factor in local effects and uh along with the broader effects of had adding homes to the city? Yes, that is something that we do look at. So I overall would your assessment of this land use be that it is in the public interest? We do look at them on a case-by-case basis. As I mentioned, it does align with the local area plan. That is our council direction, and it does align with the direction that we've been given. And so therefore we do support this application. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Johnson. Sorry, I I noticed you said uh you don't take into consideration that it's restrictive covenant. Is that true? That is correct. That is a private matter. Uh because it comes up in your report about three or four different times on background uh planning evaluation. So it does seem like it is in consideration. It can be a challenging thing. When we are looking at a development permit, for example, we do not take the restrictive covenant into account. When we do have an applicant coming forward saying that this is restricting and having some issues with their development later on, we do look at our local area plan and we determine that the local area plan does encourage additional density along this area, and that having a direct control district that does have that minimum density is in alignment with the local area plan. So that is something that we do consider. Removing a restrictive covenant or working with it at the development permit stage is not something that we consider, though. That is a separate and private matter. Do you see any potential risks to overturning a restrictive covenant? That's not part of our review or our assessment. So we're not afraid of class action lawsuits from homeowners regarding That's not part of our review on this land use. Let's uh get Ms. Goldstein to jump in here. Oh, apologies. It didn't come up. So any questions on restrictive covenants, legalities, if it's opening up to risk, I would really encourage you, Councillor Johnson, to direct that to Miss Wobiser, who can talk about the city's responsibility in upholding restrictive covenants because they come in lots of shapes and sizes. We have restrictive covenants, for example, that could have a utility under it on a lot. Many of us have that on our homes. And that could be something where the applicant comes in and says to our utility department, you know what, I want to put my shed over top of this. Am I allowed to do this? Can I do, do I need to discharge the restrictive covenant to do that? And that's something that the city does have an interest in looking in. When it comes to these types of restrictive covenants, which were what we would think about as the first type of land use instrument. So they really, instead of having a land use bylaw at the time, they used these restrictive covenants to direct what would happen on them between landowners. So not allowed to put a home-based business or only can put one home on that lot. And the city of Calgary has said that those instruments do not influence the way that we look at evaluating our policies and our plans that are in place through council direction. So here, council said you have a local area plan that says this is a connector. So in the future we would see higher intensities along this area. And then we have an MDP that says that small scale intensification can happen. So when we look at that, that is the consideration that you see inside of our report. That's the type of consideration that we are taking. and so so we're not. worried about the legal side of this, whether it's uh personal or um municipal. So we're we're not worried that if we were to overturn this, that the neighbors would let cause a big stink about this. So I will direct that to Ms. Wobiser. One thing that is very important, though, is that the decision before council today is not to overturn a restrictive covenant. We we're not the courts are responsible for anything to do with discharging of restrictive covenants. Today is about a planning matter and whether or not the context of that planning matter is on the site. Forgive me for trying to think ahead here though. I think it is important that council realizes that there are implications on on even if this is a basic land use. bylaw change there are implications in the future. Um and I understand local area plan. I understand there's a need for this. I maybe I don't even disagree with what's what's going on here, but I mean if we don't take into account what what's what's there already then we're setting up a precedent and I I don't think council should be trying to play too much with uh what could happen should we change this. So um I'll I'll leave it to uh Councillor Schmidt to close on this. Um It hasn't been moved, uh, Councillor Johnson. I will ask uh Ms. Wobisher to to weigh in briefly here. Um, I'm not precisely sure what what question I'm answering, but I would say that we are comfortable with the land use that's before you and the defensibility of that. And again, remind council that what you're being asked to do is to determine the appropriate land use for this site. And if you have more specific questions, feel free to let me know and I can expand. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Over to Councillor Chabot. So while I appreciate the applicants coming forward with making some concessions on this plan, at least what he said verbally, but we regulate the use, not the user. And notwithstanding that this user has made some specific claims about what he plans on doing, it doesn't limit the ability for the applicant to go to the full extent of what's allowable under the land use district once council's approved it. Is that correct? Through the chair, we do have a development permit that is in progress right now, but you are correct, the land use would still allow them to do something different should they choose. Okay, did I miss that? Is that included in the package that there's a concurrent DP going on? It is under review right now, so it's not truly concurrent. They are still finalizing some items and they are still working through the design elements right now. Okay. So uh well that's that's reassuring that there's a DP and it's aligned with what the applicant has stated. Like I said, it is under review right now, but the concept that they showed here does appear to align with the development permit under review. Um so they've gone for H go um with uh with the minimum density. Could they not have applied for that same concept with the RCG with the DC? Yes and no. Um they certainly could have done something like that. However, the rules in RCG are different than the rules in HGO, so they would have had some different design outcomes, so it would not have necessarily been the same application. Yeah, I'm not I'm not talking about the design, but I'm referring more so to the minimum uh density that's now been incorporated into this one, which I I guess is the subject of why they're looking for the DC predominantly. Well, I shouldn't say that, because I don't know what their design uh elements are, but that is one of the elements of why they're looking for the DC, right? Is to have that minimum density threshold. That is a portion that they are looking for in the direct control, but they are looking for the base of the HGO district to allow for the flexibility of those rules as well. So they're looking for two separate items. I probably should have asked the applicant that question as to why they went with HGO rather than RCG, but uh that ship has sailed, so to speak. So uh yeah, no, I think that pretty much covers all my questions. Thank you. Thanks. Just to follow up real quickly on that. The minimum though for H go is less than the minimum of this DC. Is that correct? The H GO district doesn't have any minimum or maximum density within the base district. The direct control district does introduce a minimum density. Uh over to Councillor Ward. Um yeah, so I mean we've been through this before. The reason the applicant wants direct control is because there's case law that I have it on my screen that shows that going to direct control can help override restrictive covenants, and that that is the reason they want direct control. So Councillor Ward, I I just gotta stop you there. We can we can speculate, but I think I would just ask every Councillor to refrain from making just declarative statements like the the specific reason they want this is X, just to protect the city potentially from. I will re I will rephrase. It's it's quite arguable, yes. I will rephrase. Direct control has been shown in the in the courts to allow a restrictive covenant to be overridden. So if I was an applicant, what I would suggest is talk to your neighbors. If they're okay with this, the way a restrictive covenant works is it if nobody challenges it in court, then you're fine. It's only an issue if if somebody has an issue with what you're doing that goes against a restrictive covenant and they challenge it. So if the neighbors are okay with it, then there's no issue here. So I just don't think that the corporation should be taking on the risk. Again, I'll stop there because we're we're on the line. Yeah, we're not in debate yet, but uh would anyone like to move this item? Councillor Schmidt, uh let's I'll go over to you to open. Uh I will uh save my open for close. All right. Uh is there a second or for this item Councillor Atkinson. Okay, it's uh on the table. Anyone wish to speak on this? here? Councillor Shabot. Yeah, no, I um I think I kind of stated it in my questions and um whilst I appreciate the what the applicant has done here in regards to um addressing some of the issues of the adja adjacent residents, but I think that there was a question that was sort of raised uh during questioning um as to The rationale around this. And again, it's I I I in my opinion, I believe it's being used primarily to mini minic mitigate risk associated with an applicant or an adjacent neighbor from challenging the development permit through the courts by virtue of it contravening the restrictive covenant. And I'm not a fan of using direct control bylaws to circumvent or to risk mitigate an application on a development permit. As was stated by one of my colleagues, is they can certainly move forward with their DP, and if they've had a chance to speak to some of their neighbors, they could eliminate that risk at least. Partially. So for me it's it's a question of is it applicable or not? And it is applicable. But because there is a restrictive covenant, I'm hesitant to support this. Um by some of the um uh concerned um uh letters here um so Or at least from what I'd heard previously from some of the community members, and uh there is um I guess some concerns that I think need to be taken into consideration. Um the Richmond Hill Um Community Association did raise some concerns that I think uh are worthy of consideration. So for those reasons, I whilst I appreciate what the applicant has done to mitigate that, I can't support it Over to Councillor Kelly. Yeah, I actually kind of want to echo a little bit of what Councillor Shabelle was just saying there. I d like this was great. I really appreciate where you're going where you're going with this. Uh I'm supportive of the fact that it's in alignment with the LAP. Um I wanted to kind of draw us back to something that Councillor Panasopoulos asked though in his questions. I am not a fan of this patchwork DC thing happening across the city with all with all of these little pockets. It's something that I've been talking about for 15 plus years. So in this particular part of the debate, I just wanted to sort of um throw it to my my colleagues that as a reminder that like once blanket rezoning is complete, once we have the update to the local uh to the land use bylaw, uh we have some work to do in terms of aligning our land use map with our local area plans uh in order to be able to lessen the number of DCs that are coming towards us. I recognize that in this particular case, there's the complexity of the restrictive covenant. That's not something I think that uh uh should be before us here today. For me, it's simply the looking at the uh the number of direct control districts that we're that we're sort of doing when I don't think there's really a need for it in this particular case in HGO or even as uh Councillor Chabot said a potential RCG with some uh um refinements to it could have potentially worked. Um yeah, that's where I'm at right now. Thank you. Councillor Atkinson. Uh I will be supporting this. Um I live in a neighborhood that has a restrictive covenant. I'm fairly well versed, and while I totally recognize that you can go through the process of trying to get every neighbor to sign on, you have to get every single neighbor. We are dealing with a legacy product brought in by previous councils and administrations, something I think we are all quite familiar with these days of past council decisions and past administrations and the way that things were done. And unfortunately, the one mechanism at disposal here to actually deal with the consequences of the way that that was brought in in an improper way instead of through land use bylaw is this direct control. So while I I recognize this idea of creating a patchwork of direct controls, uh this is the mechanism by which you can actually make sure that this takes place. Otherwise, it is on the applicant to get every single person, every single person under that direct con or that, sorry, that restrictive covenant to sign on to the removal of the restrictive covenant. If one person within that community either doesn't want to sign it or can't be contacted for some reason, then you cannot have the restrictive covenant discharged in the manner that we're we're we're talking about here. So this is a mechanism to deal with uh the failings of of councils and administrations in the planning ways of the past. Uh, and it is it is very important that we uh we we could, it was asked in the past when these uh restrictive covenants were being brought forward on a case by case basis with direct controls, whether uh city administration would actually take the the step to Remove restrictive covenants that they imposed back in the day before there was land use planning and they brought this in as their form of land use planning and there was not the will of council or administration to do deal with it in that proper way that should have been done if we want to then just be able to deal with land use planning in the way that we deal with land use planning outside of restrictive covenant areas. So uh to that end, I I do support correcting uh and building towards the future. Thanks. Thank you, uh Councillor. Before I go to Councillor Schmidt, uh I will just kind of reinforce what I heard from Councillor Shabot. Um Councillor Ward, despite the fact that I had to intervene on you, it certainly appears to be the case that council. our land use and public hearing process is somewhat being weaponized uh via the or as ammunition for applicants to go to the courts to assist with uh the discharge of these RCs and And you know, those are private matters, but really what's before us, is it a justifiable leap for council to make the intervention here to implement a minimum amount of density in this particular lot? And from my perspective, just from a land use perspective, it does not seem justified in this particular area, given the lack of adjacency to key services, that sort of thing, to justify the minimum amount of density that's being asked here, uh, above and beyond what HGO asked for. So that is uh my piece. Over to you, Councillor Schmidt, to close. So we heard this application aligns with the MDP, the LAP goals. Both of which were created after years of engagement and in the public interest. This is consistent with the LAP, and we spend years developing these goals and visions. And I would actually argue that we should take our attention away from the restrictive covenant because that's it's not our uh circus to deal with here. It's a it's a separate issue, it's a private issue. Our main Consideration today is what are our policies? Are those policies in the public interest? We heard yes. The DC district is something within the toolkit that is available to people to use in these applications. If we don't like DCs, we should do the work to get rid of them or to limit their use or change them. But what's before us today is a legitimate planning tool. Aligning with legitimate public policy, all of which are in the public interest. And this application gets us closer to the goals that we have determined in the past are in the public interest. And even though, I mean, there is some risk here, but units with enough bedrooms for larger families are not built enough in this city. And should they continue with that plan, which I hope they will, and uh we will continue communication with them to ensure that they keep their promise. This is something that is badly needed. So, as council, we must ask ourselves why do we devote time and money on plans just to refuse things that align with them? This aligns, which is why I'm in support, and my mind is solely on the application before us and not private matters that are outside of our control. So I will be voting in support. Great. Uh thank you for that. Um, Madam Clerk, let's please engage the e vote. on the recommendation. Let's hope everyone remembers how to use e scribe. It's my first time this year. It's been a little while. The hamsters are spinning. It appears to be taking a minute. The first one's always uh takes a little bit of time to spin up. It's ready. Councillor Tyres, your vote please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Please display the results. On the line use amendment in uh Richmond Ward 8, uh the motion is carried 8 to 7 with uh counselors Ward, Johnston, Jameson, Tyre, Chabot, McLean, and myself opposed. Okay, we will now move to The uh subsequent uh reading here. Madam Clerk, if you don't mind just displaying who was opposed on could we just show on the screen? Because I'll I'll call these on the same division so that we're marked uh opposed for the various readings. I don't believe that we can recast that image of the horseshoe. Okay, no problem. Well uh we'll we'll just call it out by voice on the first year and uh council bear with me here. Uh we will now go to first reading of bylaw 6D 2026. Anyone opposed? My s just wave, put up your arm here if you were opposed to the motion that passed uh previously, and I'll just call out your names. So uh I am opposed, Councillor McLean is opposed, Councillor Chabot is opposed, Councillor tires is opposed. Councillor Ward is opposed. Just confirming we're reading the correct number. He said 16. Oh whoops. Oh boy. Yep. All right. Let's start that over. Apologies, council. So let's start over here. So this is proposed. Uh I think my screen this is proposed bylaw 162D 2025. First reading of this bylaw. Anyone opposed? on a Councillor Chabot? Yeah. on a point of procedure. Um Councillor Atkinson has left the room. Um so he's not voting on the bylaw. And this By law reading will fail. is the possibility that it'll fail on a 7-7 tie because he voted in favor. So I would suggest that council might want to wait until Councillor Atkinson is back in the room. I'm trying to filibuster here a little bit to hoping he can hear me in the back. Let me just uh return to my script here and make sure that I'm reading the uh correct bylaw number. All right, so we are on again, this is uh item 7.1.1. 7.1.1, which I believe is the bylaw 160. We gotta stay in our chairs, folks. Speak slower. Yes. Yes, so we're on uh um this would be the the bylaw one sixty. All right, so. It's been moved by Councillor Schmidt, second by Councillor Atkinson, that with respect to report CPC 2025-0719, that the following was adopted. The council gives three readings to propose bylaw 162D 2025 for the redesignation of.0.5 hectares. Yeah looks like we're good. All right. That that motion, as uh mentioned, was carried 8 to 7, which allows us to move to the first reading of the bylaw. That's it's gonna be a long year at this rate, council. Uh first reading of bylaw 162D 2025. Anyone opposed? Raise your uh all in favor, any opposed, raise your hand if you're opposed. I am opposed. Councillor Johnston, Councillor Ward, Jameson, Tyre, Chabot, and McLean are opposed to the first reading. Okay, so that uh that has carried that first reading has carried. I'm now calling for the second reading of bylaw 162 D 2025. Uh anyone opposed to the same division? So I'm just gonna say that uh we're we're going with the same division of the first one. Nobody is opposed to that same division. So uh that motion has or that bylaw reading has carried. I'm seeking authorization for third reading of bylaw 162 D 2025. Anyone opposed? Seeing none, that authorization has uh carried unanimously. Uh calling third reading of bylaw 162 D 2025 on the same division of the previous. Any opposed? Seeing none, that uh reading on the same division of the previous has carried. Alright. We're gonna make it. This is gonna be a fun year, everybody. Alright, so we are now to the uh next item. Miss Stingle, uh please take us away on 7.2.1. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Item 7.2.1 is a land use amendment to allow for additional residential and open space development within Saddle Ridge. Next slide, please. The recommendation before Council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 6D 2026 for the redesignation of three parcels from the special purpose future urban development or SFUD district and the multi residential low profile M1 district to the multi residential medium profile M2 district and the special purpose School, Park, and Community Reserve SSPR district. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the northeast community of Saddle Ridge, south of Airport Trail and east of Metis Trail and the Calgary International Airport. Saddle Ridge Town Center is to the southeast, including the LRT Station, Genesis Center, and a mix of commercial businesses. Next slide, please. The site is comprised of three parcels located immediately south of 88th Avenue Northeast and is currently undeveloped. The section of Saddle Ridge is undergoing a primarily residential construction as can be seen in the site to the west. Peter Lawheed School, Playground, and Playfields are visible to the east across 52nd Street Northeast. Next slide, please. Surrounding development is categorized as multi-residential to the west with low density residential beyond, shown in yellow and orange. The school site and open spaces are shown in green. The northern, roughly two-thirds of the subject site, is currently designated as the special purpose future urban development district, which is intended for lands that are awaiting urban development and utility servicing. The southern portion is designated as the multi residential, low profile M1 district, which allows for multi residential development of low height and medium density. Next slide, please. This application proposes two land use districts. The first is the multi-residential medium profile M2 district, which allows for multi-residential development in a variety of forms, with a maximum height of 16 meters or about 4 to 5 stories, and a maximum floor area ratio of 3.0. The district does not have a maximum density but does require a minimum density of 60 units per hectare, which is about 151 units here. The second proposal is the special purpose School Park and Community Reserve SSPR district, which allows for municipal reserve to be provided at the southwest corner of the site in alignment with the neighboring parcels, providing a link to other open space areas nearby. Next slide, please. The proposed land use designations are in alignment with the associated land outline plan, which was approved at the October 30th Calgary Planning Commission meeting and is shown here for reference. The outline plan features a pedestrian connection and anticipates private roads connecting to 87th Avenue Northeast, which extends into the area. A multi use connection is planned along the southern property line, further connecting the site to the larger context. Next slide, please. The application is in alignment with the Saddle Ridge Area Structure Plan, which anticipates a neighborhood activity center and pathway connections here. The proposal allows for an anticipated density of 77 units per hectare and an intensity of 175 people and jobs per gross developable hectare, meeting the requirements of both the Municipal Development Plan and the Area Structure Plan, which requires a minimum of 100 people and jobs per hectare in Neighborhood Activity Center here. Next slide, please. This application would allow for the continued development of a neighborhood that aligns with the area structure plan and targets of the municipal development plan and also allows for an increase to the park and open space network in the area. Calgary Planning Commission supports the application and recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw 60 2026. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you so much. We will now move to the uh public hearing for 7.2.1. The public hearing is open. Applicant is with us. Your worship and members of council, my name is Grant Mahalchan with BA Studios. I'm the applicant and the planning consultant. I'm here representing my client, Shandon Holmes, in support of our bylaw and to answer any questions you may have. The site is in Saddle Ridge Cell D, which is an area that was previously subdivided as part of Rocky View as small country residential parcels before being annexed by the city of Calgary. It is currently redeveloping, redeveloping slowly due to the fragmented ownership of the area. Our proposal is to redesignate the three parcels to multi-residential medium profile M2 district. And the site is adjacent to existing M2 district to the west as well as to the south. And while higher density mixed use DC is located to the immediate east. The site is located near school, next to transit routes, and within the ASP Neighborhood Activity Center, where a concentration of higher density residential and a variety of building forms is encouraged. So the proposal will enable required linkages while providing housing options that will add vibrancy to the community. Open space will be this designated SSPR in the southwest corner of the site, fulfilling municipal reserve requirements. While combining with the previously dedicated MOR, it will allow for a larger usable space. In conclusion, the proposed use is compatible with the surrounding land uses near transit routes and the school, exceeds the minimum density requirements of both the MDP and ASP policies and provides Calgarians with housing options that are in demand. As such, your worship and members of council, we respectfully request your support in three readings of the proposed bylaw. I'm here to answer any questions that you may have. Thank you. Thank you so much, Mr. Mahalshin. Any questions for the applicant? Seeing none, you are off the hook, sir. All right. Anyone here to speak to some point two point one? Seeing none, we will close the uh public hearing. Uh perhaps over to you, Councillor Deliwell. You have any questions for admin or you want to move the Thank you, Mayor. Just a couple uh quick ones. First of all, I want to thank administration and applicant for working on this. It's been a long time coming due to fragmented ownership. So thank you. Looks really nice with uh now MR all consolidated on one side. Just uh uh on the conditions for approval 23 uh with the land uses that uh provide a letter of credit for full cost of traffic signals to be implemented on 48th and 88. Uh is that gonna be part of their development approval too that they get a or we get to install it right when the development is done, or is it for the future? Through the chair, thanks for the question, Councillor Dollywell, Tom Hopkins Development Engineering. So that would be at the subdivision stage that we'd require that. So with the development permit, they would submit the money for it, and one warranted, it would be constructed in the near future. Also, it's not gonna happen right away, right with the it's for the future. In the near future, yes. Okay. I have other DP type questions, but I'll leave them now about 88th Avenue. I'm happy to move. Straightforward application. Like I said, thank you to administration and applicant for working on this for last many few months. There was lots of back and forth, but uh good to see finally good product coming with good housing, good municipal reserve, close to transit. So with that, I urge my council colleagues to support it. With that, I'm open. All right, it's been moved and uh seconded by Councillor Shabeau. Any other debate on this item? All right, seeing none, uh are you closed, Councillor Deliwell? I'm close, Mayor. Thank you. All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's please engage the uh e vote on 7.2.1. Councillor Atkinson, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On 7.2.1, Land Deus Amendment and Saddle Ridge. The motion is carried unanimously. 15 to 0. We'll now move to the readings of the correct bylaw, which is uh first reading of bylaw 6D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 6D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Seeking authorization for third reading of bylaw 6D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that's carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 6D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. All right, on to item 7.2.2, line use amendment in Glendale. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Item two is a land use redesignation to allow for grade oriented housing units. Next slide, please. The recommendation before Council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 1D 2026 for the redesignation of 4939 17th Avenue from the residential grade oriented Infill RCG district to the housing grade oriented HGO district. Next slide, please. The site is located in the southwest community of Glendale, east of SARSE Trail and north of Optimus Athletic Park. The 45th Street LRT station is about a three minute walk to the northeast. Next slide, please. The site is mid block along 17th Avenue and is currently developed with a single detached home with a detached garage accessed from the rear lane. Next slide please. Surrounding uses consist primarily of low-density residential homes in the form of single-detached dwellings shown in yellow. Row houses are located to the west along 17th Avenue, and commercial businesses are located on the north side of 17th Avenue, shown in red. Immediately to the east are five parcels shown as the HGO district. A mix of stacked townhouses, townhouses with suites, and semi-detached homes are currently under construction on these parcels. The subject site and parcels to the immediate west and south are designated as the residential grade oriented infill RCG district, which allows for a variety of low density housing types. The RCG district has a maximum density of 75 units per hectare, which would allow for five dwelling units here. Next slide, please. The application is proposing the housing grade oriented HGO district, which allows for a range of grade oriented building forms that are consistent with low density residential districts and allows for a range of housing forms that may be attached, stacked, or clustered. The district allows a maximum building height of 12 meters and a maximum floor area ratio of 1.5. Next slide, please. The proposal meets the site selection criteria in the purpose statement of the HGO district as the Westbrook Community's Local Area Plan, or LAP, identifies the subject site as being part of the Neighborhood Connector Urban Form category. The LAP also identifies the site as having a low, up to six stories building scale and as being within the 45th Street Transit Station area, which is envisioned to be an area of moderate activity and density. Next slide, please. This proposal would allow for increased density on a residential parcel near commercial nodes and transit in alignment with the local area plan. Calvary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw 1D 2026 for the redesignation of the subject site. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you, Ms Stingle. Let's uh open our public hearing on 7.2.2 in Glendale. Do we have the applicant with us? Yes, Mayor Farkas, I'm here. Thank you. Uh you have five minutes. Take our way. Wonderful. Thank you very much. Good morning, Mayor Farkas and Counselors. My name is Clay Israelson of Collective Design, and I am the applicant on the file before you and designer on the development permit, which is currently under review. I'd like to thank administration for their presentation. I think they've covered the site very well. And so I'll just draw attention to a few uh comments here. Uh the first one being that we uh have support within policy for the local area plan and uh great proximity to transit with the LRT station, um, being I think 250 meters away. And then similar scale developments on both east and west sides. So with that, I'm open to any questions that you may have, and I hope that you'll support the application before you. Thank you. Do we have any questions for Mr. Israelson? Uh Councillor Penzopoulos. Thank you so much and thank you so much for that presentation and given the context. Uh maybe just speak a bit about that section and and your neighbors and the development and You know, your ability to go up to s five, six stories. Can you just sort of speak to that? What's the the plan fitting in with neighborhood? Um yeah, just sort of how are you thinking about that in this specific area? Yeah, certainly. Thank you for the question, Councillor. With this site specifically, we wanted to propose a built form that I feel is contextual with the surrounding area. Directly to the east, we have some three story HDO developments. And then to the west of us, we have an RCG four unit, four suite townhouse, which is, I believe, about 10 and a half meters tall. To the south, we have existing uh you know low density built form, single families with very few infills, but uh a lot of you know single story homes. So we wanted to propose a development which had uh three bedroom layouts for all of the units, uh two bedroom layouts for suites where possible, but also again keeping in mind um you know the existing built form of community and not trying to go uh into a maximum height that would be allowed. Thanks so much. Maybe just speak to density. I think in your your letter to the planning commission you speak of five and five. Maybe just speak did you consider less or um jumping right to five plus five? Just maybe speak about your logic and thought process there. Yeah, for sure. I think this site specifically our our goal and the goal of the developer for this site was to achieve five units and five suites again while maintaining a two story built form. That works really well from a financial standpoint in terms of performa and building costs and keeps those things minimized while obviously achieving a density. which is within the you know the scope of the HDO district. So while we could have achieved a four by four under um you know the existing zoning, the built form and the and the bylaws within the HDO district provide opportunity for uh a built form with a bit more flexibility. Appreciate that. Thank thank you so much. Thank you. Any other questions for the applicant? Current seeing none, uh thank you so much for being with us. Are there anyone else who would like to speak in during the public hearing? All right, we shall close the public hearing. Yeah, you're good. All right, uh over to Councillor Panzopoulos. Did you want to introduce the uh item or have any questions for advantage? Absolutely. No, I'll definitely introduce it. You know, when I think of um uh of development, particularly in this area, transit oriented, fit with neighborhoods, super important, active engagement with community, housing fits the community, balanced option for buyers, not just specifically in one little area. I think that's a miss on the city. It's sort of that as you stand back and look, I can get a single family home, I can get a condo, I can get a town home. Um well certainly not a prescriptive list. I think this is one specific that hits these critical items. Think of the map that administration put in. 17th Avenue has changed so materially since I've moved to Calgary 25 years ago. Went from sort of a sleepy street, if you will, to development, and it makes sense there. Uh but notice the plan a block south would make no sense where you're into crescents and communities. And this is where something does, and you're seeing a lot of development, and a lot of the the concern of the um residents is let's just finish this construction, let's get it going. You've got an amazing sea train station there, you've got Sarsi, so all forms of of transportation exist there. When I th this is pretty small relative to what's coming in in Ward 6. Um That are not transit oriented, that have no uh density where density makes no sense, where there's significant overbuilds relative to neighborhood and where engagement is subpar best. Unfortunately, those will be coming and you will hear a very different uh message from the Ward 6 Councillor. We've got 3,000 doors coming to be built over the next few years. We're doing our part uh for king and country. But something like this uh I think makes a lot of sense and hopefully you can support it given where it is on 17th Avenue, given the development that's happening. I think there's a consistency, but uh some uh doozies are coming in the next few months. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Uh I believe you've moved that item, seconded by uh Councillor Kelly. Over to Councillor Kelly to speak. Uh Councillor Panasopoulos said a great right thing, right place. This is exactly the kind of thing we should be looking for. Thank you. All right, any other debate on this? Seeing none, uh Councillor Panzopoulos, you've closed. I'm closed. Thank you very much. Alright, Madam Clerk, let's please engage the evote on this item. 7.2.3. 2. Oh my gosh. I can't count today. More so than usual. Anyway, that we're calling the e vote on the land use amendment in Glendale, Ward 6. Councillor Kelly, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. Thank you. That motion has carried. We will now move to the readings of the bylaw. First or that motion is carried unanimously, rather, 15 to 0. I know people listen to us like podcasts. Alright, we are now moving, uh riveting stuff, I know. Uh first reading of bylaw 1D 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 1D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 1D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that's carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 1D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried. All right, we are now to 7.2.3 land use amendments in Montgomery Ward 7. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Item three in my last item today is a land use redesignation to allow for grade-oriented housing units. Next slide, please. The recommendation before Council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 3D 2026 for the redesignation of 4816 Boness Road Northwest from the Residential Grade Oriented Infill RCG District to the Housing Grade Oriented HGO District. Next slide, please. The site is located in the northwest community of Montgomery, tucked in with the Bow River both to the west and the south. 16th Avenue is to the south and Shaganapi Trail to the east. There are many amenities in the area, including Shouldis Park, Dale Hodges Park, Market Mall, the Alberta Children's Hospital, University District, and the University of Calgary. Next slide, please. The site is mid block along Boness Road and is currently developed with a single detached home with a detached garage accessed from the rear lane. Next slide, please. Surrounding uses consist primarily of low-density residential homes in the form of single-detached dwellings shown in yellow and semi-detached homes shown in orange. A mix of row houses and townhouses are shown in brown. There are commercial businesses down the street to the southeast and along 16th Avenue. Bonus Road and 16th Avenue are main streets as identified in the municipal development plan and are zoned with the mixed-use districts to the southwest to encourage the development of a mix of residential and commercial businesses. The subject site and surrounding parcels are designated as the residential grade oriented infill RCG district, which allows for a variety of low density housing types. The RCG district has a maximum density of 75 units per hectare, which would allow for four dwelling units here. Next slide, please. The application is proposing the housing grade-oriented HGO district, which allows for a range of grade-oriented building forms that are consistent with low-density residential districts, and allows for a range of housing forms that may be attached, stacked, or clustered. The district allows for a maximum building height of 12 meters and a maximum floor-area ratio of 1.5. Next slide, please. The proposal meets the site selection criteria in the purpose statement of the HGO district as the South Chiganabi Community's local area plan identifies the subject site as being part of the neighborhood Flex Urban Form category, which supports a mix of commercial and residential uses in the area. The LAP also identifies the site as having a low up to six stories building scale and as being within the Boness Road Neighborhood Main Street area, which is envisioned to continue to be a pedestrian friendly mixed use area, accommodating additional residential and commercial growth. Next slide, please. The proposal would allow for increased density on a residential parcel along a main street in alignment with the local area plan. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that council give three readings to the proposed bylaw 3D 2026 for the redesignation of the site. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you. Let's open the public hearing on this item. Thank you. We'll start with the applicant. Thank you so much for being here with us. Thanks, Mayor. Thanks, Mayor Councillors. Again, my name is Lee Bang. I'm speaking in support of this application. This lot is along Bonnets Road. Bonnet Road is the main street throughout the community of Montgomery and Bonnet. My company is also sitting right beside Bonnet Road. Over the years, we have seen a lot of up and downs of business in Bonnet. A lot of business are struggling, especially when we have that war pipe outbreak. So I would say recent years uh after the city passed the Bonus Main Street uh planning policy, that's the Bonus Road uh dedicated Main Street policy, and also with the investment city put in to improve the infrastructure along Bones Road, we are seeing a lot of buildings start to rebound back. Um and uh throughout this area, we have seen uh some mixed-use buildings, some commercial buildings, and of course there's some uh um uh dental office, clinic, uh variety of buildings. And this specific project is for grade-oriented uh housing, uh which aligns fully with our local airplane. In fact, our local airplane says uh neighborhood flag with a building scale up to six stories. Uh what we are proposing here is the grade oriented uh uh maximum storage, three story building. Uh, we think uh is uh kind of an important pie for uh continue to improve the uh viability of the Bonus as the main main street, Bonnet Road as the main street. So we hope councillors can support this uh project. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions for the applicant? Seeing none, thank you for being here with us. Is there anyone else who would like to speak to this item? Anyone in person or on the line? All right. We will close the public hearing on uh 7.2.3, the Montgomery Ward 7 item. Over to you, Councillor Atkinson. Yeah, uh I support this application. Um the proximity to uh the main sort of connection there with Home Road, Boness Road, right by 16th Avenue. There's a safeway, uh, a lot of shops on there. Um there's uh uh uh a new bike lane that came in through Montgomery there, right on Boness Road. So nice to see some of the infrastructure leading the development in some ways uh along this corridor. Uh so in that way, I think um this kind of density definitely works in this location. Thanks. Thanks. That's moved by Councillor Atkinson, second by Councillor Dollywall. Any other uh questions or debate on the item? No. Seeing none. Councillor Shabot? Nope. All right. Seeing none, over to you close, Councillor Atkinson. Close. Okay. Madam Clerk, let's engage the evote, please, on 7.2.3 uh on Montgomery Award Zone. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On uh 7.2.3, the land use amendment to Montgomery. The motion is carried 14 to 1. Alright, we will now move to the readings. Alright, first reading of bylaw 3D 2026. Councillor Shabot is opposed, and that has carried. Second reading of bylaw 3D 2026, Councillor Shabot has carried. Councillor Shabot is opposed and that is carried. Seeking authorization for third reading of bylaw 3D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 3D 2026, Councillor Shabot is opposed, and that has carried. Alright. We've got somebody new in the hot seat over there. Alright, we are in item 7.2.4, item in West of Hillhurst. Thank you, Mayor Farkas, and good morning everyone. My name is Lindsay Ganzar. I am a senior planner in the community planning department, and I will be presenting the next three items on the agenda. So this next item is a land use redesignation application to allow for grade oriented housing. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give bylaw 7D 2026. Three readings, sorry, for the redesignation of 2330 and 2332 Fifth Avenue Northwest from the residential grade oriented infill or RCG district to the housing grade oriented or HGO district. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the community of West Hillhurst on the north side of Fifth Avenue between 22nd Street to the east and 23rd Street to the west. It is located one block east of Crowchild Trail. Next slide, please. The site consists of two parcels with a combined area of approximately 0.1 hectares. Each parcel is currently developed with a single detached dwelling and a detached garage accessed from the rear lane. Next slide, please. Surrounding development consists of a mix of single detached houses, semi detached houses, and row house buildings. Grand Trunk Park is located across 23rd Street to the west, and various commercial and medical uses are located along the Crowchild Trail Corridor. The subject site is currently designated as the RCG district, which allows for a variety of low density housing forms, including row houses and townhouses. The maximum building height in this district is 11 meters, and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare. Based on the parcel area of both lots, the site currently allows for up to seven dwelling units. Next slide, please. The proposed HGO district allows for a variety of grade-oriented housing forms that are contextually appropriate in low density areas and where dwelling units may be attached or stacked within a shared building or a cluster of buildings. The maximum building height is 12 meters and the maximum floor area ratio is 1.5. Next slide, please. The proposal is in alignment with the Riley Communities Local Area Plan, or LAP, which identifies the site as being within the neighborhood connector urban form category. Neighborhood Connector is intended primarily for residential uses with a broad range and mix of housing types located on higher activity streets. The LAP also identifies the site as having a low modified building scale modifier, which allows for up to four stories. Next slide, please. To conclude, the proposed land use change would enable future development that is better aligned with the area policy and contributes to an active community. As such, the Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you. Let's open the public hearing on 7.2.4, starting with the applicant. Thanks again. Uh easily went again. Can I borrow your slide number seven, please? Thank you. So these two combined lots are along Fifth Avenue and also very close distance to Kur Tower Trail. Currently, our West Airborne communities, sorry, Ready Communities Local Airplane define the Fifth Avenue as the high activity road. That's why those lots along Fifth Avenue are defined as a neighborhood collector with a building scale of up to four stories. The current proposal six four grade oriented housing for a maximum of three stories. The lot is close to multiple public transit. It's also close to many amenities. So it can help achieve city's goal through the Look Air Plan to encourage pedestrian friendly and improve access to amenities and services for residential housing. So that's why we put this proposal forward. During our engagement, we we just hear concerns for such as parking, garbage collection, the access to the site, so and then the landscaping, tree protection, stuff like that. So that's why we filed a concurrent DP application. It's just to start the conversation for although today is just for land use, most of the concerns we hear are from the community and from the neighbors are with regard to the DP perspective. That's why we want to file a concurrent DP application to provide people with a clear picture of what we can do on this side. And also throughout the process, some issues will be focused on, such as, you know, we can do uh malok beans instead of uh gapage beans, uh, instead of uh the three-story, third story, the balcony, we can add a screening, uh, and also we can do enchance landscaping features, stuff like that. So I would say the engagement will continue uh at DP stage. And uh from the planning perspective, this proposal fully aligns with our local plan. And uh the building scale is actually less than what we set here. So I hope counselors can support this. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions for the applicant? Councillor Pentazoulos. Thanks so much. Or sorry, Councillor Deliwell. You're in the Cube. Just one question and quickly if you can answer. Um our RCG uh seven units um with secondary suite seven and seven. This is giving you that extra two units, one secondary. Was that only uh like and give you extra height? I just want to understand what m why you decided to go with uh each go just to gain that extra unit. Yeah, that's a great question. Through the chair to Councillor Dalyville, that's a great question. Um Majority of the time when we go to when we try to go from RCG to H go, uh Is um sometime I would say majority of time is because the consideration for flexibility HGO can provide. RCG as for the zoning, it was uh passed a long time ago. There's some inherent problem with that specific zoning. Uh so edge go with the new zoning, it has a lot of flexibility in terms of uh uh not only the number of units, but also the configuration of the unit, the configuration of the mandate space, and then where we can provide access for each unit that can be uh you know community friendly, pedestrian friendly. Those are the those are the kind of things that in consideration. And then as I said, uh during the DP review process, uh we are open for all kinds of discussions, it's uh not only for the garbage collection, not only for the landscaping, but also for the number of units. We are open for uh many discussions for creative ideas for what can be uh what can be done on this side uh responsibly and also um you know with the best interest of the uh community um and also the neighbors at hand. Same time we also want to advance to our best ability what our local airplane says. So um that's kind of the balance we are trying to achieve. Um but you know, uh at the later discussion, we're definitely open to all kinds of ideas, not only in the number unit, but also the lot configuration, but also amenities, but also the uh the gap collection, stuff like that. So your DP is co current. Uh it's not uh it's not a concurrent application. We just provide the DP to provide picture people a clear picture of what we can do on site. Because when we deal with the land use, people's concerns uh uh from the planning perspective, they say, hey, this is the planning policy, what it says. But actually the comments, 90% of the comments are DP related. So that's why we put what we want to put that forward for every project we are doing. Um, but we are, you know, we are we just consider that as open the gate for the further discussion. Yeah, no, that's great. And and good to hear that you want to involve the community. Um it's great, but the only problem is RCG gave them the flexibility because it was discretionary, this is permitted. Sorry, if you don't mind, I would say for uh edge co uh yeah it uh shows as permitted use uh but 99% of the time when we apply for multifamily, it has it will be in uh the discretionary category because the permitted part is very, very narrow. As long as uh you know, as long as you have one thing that passes the bylaw requirement, for example, the hard surface and the soft surface, soft landscaping and hard landscaping, there's a very uh tiny balance we need to achieve in order to get to the permit category, and it's almost impossible to actually get to permit. So most of these are actually in the discretion used category. Yeah, no, thank you. And and uh like you could go out and build seven and seven. So nobody can stop you, but I'm very encouraged that you're at least willing to work with the community, understand their concerns, their DP ones. So thank you for that. That's it for me, Mayor. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Pantozopoulos. Thanks so much. And I'm pleased, Councillor Dollywalls ended on engagement and I'll pick that up. I I didn't I bit my tongue on the first application, bit my tongue on the second and the third, it's bleeding. When you say things like some people also express concerns over property, value, and crime. And that's exactly what you did in the prior in the prior. And I hear lots of good things about engagement and j just just Give me confirmation, dates, times, when you talk to the community. It's a copy and paste. And a month ago you said, Oh, it was just a mistake of my team. I'm gonna do better. And and all we have is this, and it's just a copy and paste. Um, why help me understand why this is proper engagement? You actually do this engagement. I have no ability to recourse, but I just need to go when I see all the applications today that you're bringing forward, separate entities, completely separate, and that actually gives me more moments' pause. If it was the same, I get it, but now you've got different, completely different areas of the community. Just walk me through that, the the exact same and and you know, can you give me some supporting how you did it? June to August, the community association sent back concerns about traffic and things. Just just yeah, if you could. Thank you. Through the chair to Council. Um I thought we we for those uh for today's all those items we submitted uh all updated uh engagement uh summary through the uh channel. Um Um but I I need to go back to all with my team, but uh I I I I definitely give instruction to my team to uh update it all the public uh uh in summary and then provide it to the city clerk. Um Um, but uh to back to your question, you know, for like for every project, so we always have people on the ground because we are not only a consulting company, we are also a survey company. So we have survey crews on site. Their job is not only doing the physical survey of the site, but also doing the survey of the people in the area. So they go talk with the people and then they gather some comments. And then some some of the comments are common, not just for our summary, like the comments for uh the traffic, the density, the height, the privacy, the shadowing, people talk about the uh property value. Those are the almost always the common comments. And even for every project, when we see the summary, you see those uh concerns there. So that's why initially we have that uh template that we use uh when we submit it. Uh so but later at the uh planning commission stage and also the uh public hearing stage, we usually, I mean, right now I instruct my team to always update and submit to the city clerk. And as you can see from the other files, definitely they should have an updated uh uh summary, uh the outreach summary there. And especially for this project, uh yeah, we we did all that and we we did hear all the concerns, and that's why we filed the DP. That's why we we want to start a conversation for how we can make the DP plan better and stuff like that. But if there's the oversight, I will um personally you know uh apologize for that. In the future, I will also um personally make sure it was received and uh not only submitted, but also received by CD Clerk. My my caution is that was the same in in November and December. You know, person take care, and now we come back and there's three. So maybe specifically speak to the community association. Your engagement specifically, what was concerned, what was addressed from the June 16th submission to the August 12th Community Association response, what you've done since, just specific to this, not in general, this specific who did you speak to and what did you address and how when you came today in the six months? Did you speak to these concerns? Yeah, so thanks for the question. When we come to this uh community association, what the way we do is we send The community association name? I uh It's the West Hillhurst Community Association. So they have a planning, they have a person in charge of the planning. So we usually send emails to the community association and then introduce the bot project and ask for whether we can attend their planning meeting, whether it's possible. And then after that, there will be a follow-up to see if we didn't get any response. There will be a follow-up email to the Ecommunity Association. And then once we get confirmation, we will go attend their planning meeting to hear the concerns. And then for this specific project, there are concerns for the different definition of the public transit. There are concerns for the um for the uh infrastructure in the area where they can support this. And there are concerns for even for the color of the siding, there are concerns for the material use for the siding, stuff like that. So like I said, for those today I have four projects. But I like I said, uh there's there's also a step of confirmation of receiving. So um yeah, so that's uh what I can say for this. the consumer enguse me, consumer. Uh community engagement on June twelfth. What discussions informed the pre preparation of this particular community outreach for planning development application led? Did that include a community association engagement? Do you remember the dates and Uh sorry, um so the chair to Councillor. I I don't remember the date um right now, yeah. But back to that, can you speak to do you remember recall was it uh engagement before the June 12th date or after? Do you just recall around like what engagement happened to formulate that uh copy and paste of the competing engagement? Okay, so um so specifically for the community, like I said, uh uh initially when we file the application, there will be an email, contact the community association, and then later, if we didn't hear back within a week, we'll do a follow-up. And then uh before the planning commission meeting, we usually have another follow-up with the community association. And then after planning committee meeting, we we do another follow-up uh to ask the uh whether there are any specific concerns. I know for this one, after we talk with the community association, we filed the demand permit uh because the community association wants to see a concurrent application. Um not concurrent, they want to see exactly what we can do here. So that's what we what we did. And after we filed that, there are some very specific concerns with regard to different design elements of that DP, which we also heard that, and we are working to revise the DP to uh deal with all those concerns. So um I don't remember, although I don't remember the exact date, but we did all those work. Um I just uh when we when we come to put it into the announced paperwork, I think uh that's part of where lacking. I I want to say uh uh I want to say uh you know uh for all those uh for those uh items, uh we definitely have uh um uh you know probably three of them already submitted with updated, but probably not this one. But I will need to go back and look at it. But after I, you know, your your comments last time, we definitely we definitely made some changes over our procedure, and then definitely we need to continue to do um a better job. I appreciate that. Thank you so much, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Councillor Atkinson. Uh sorry, so is that DP it's submitted currently and working its way? It wasn't a concurrent DP with this application, but since this land use was submitted, you have since submitted a DP on the site? Yes, so the chair to consider anything. Yes, for every of our projects, we always uh try our best to deal with concerns from uh the local residents and community. Uh what we hear quite often are DP related, so we will submit the DP after we file the rezoning. But uh it's really hard to make it concurrent. Um so we we we file the DP. We are uh expecting comments from not only the community association, but those of the neighbors. So there will be a lot of coming back and forth, back and forth. So to make it concurrent, that will affect both timelines. So right now the DP is already being submitted, and we are in the process of working with the local resident community in uh revising some of the delay element. Okay. So the DP is currently like in the city administration system working its way or doing the revisions with the community, but yeah, it's not concurrent with this application. Correct. Okay. Um yeah, I think that answers all my questions. Thanks. Thank you. Anyone else uh for the applicant? All right, seeing none, we will continue with the public hearing. I think uh we have our a couple registered speakers. Next up is uh Karen Smith. Do we have you with us, Karen? Thanks so much for your patience with us. Good morning, Mayor and Council. My name is Karen Smith, and I oppose the proposed land use change LOC 2025-0132 submitted in June 2025. In the applicant's submission dated June 23, 2025, it references the municipal development plan that calls for a modest intensification of the inner city. I do not believe that the proposed development is in keeping with the policy of the NDP of the MDP, as there is nothing modest about it. This development wants to go from two lots that are mid-block with one single detached house on each lot to 16 units. Row house, one building, four units, a town house, one building four units, secondary suites of eight units. And accessory residual building and garage for four cars. My concerns are about the mid block extensive proposed development, the lack of associated parking, shadowing from the three story developments, the stress on the old inner city infrastructure in the neighborhood, and the loss of mature trees. This will be the only mid-block development on the Fifth Avenue Northwest. All of the other developments on Fifth Avenue have been on corner lots with townhouses only, not townhouses and row housing. Corner lots allow for parking on the street side beside the new townhouses and the six to eight car garages usually provided. However, with no easy access to 23rd Street for parking, Fifth Avenue will be used for parking potentially 12 cars. Fifth Avenue is also a snow route and a designated bicycle route, so more cars parking on Fifth Avenue in winter will make snow removal more difficult and in warmer weather create a potential for more accidents evolving bicycles on the Share the Road, Fifth Avenue. Additional cars parking on Fifth Avenue also pose safety concerns with the increased traffic. The Grand Trunk Park and Playground is in the next block, and there are lots of children coming and going from the park. Three-story townhouses and row housing will dwarf my house, blocking morning light. And the three mature maple trees and a mountain ash tree on the two lots will be bulldozed down. I can't see where there is any room for new trees to be planted on the proposed site plan. West Hillhurst is an old neighborhood, and the water in Water and sewer infrastructure is old. It was not designated for intense density proposed. Going from two units to 16 units will put added strain on the existing pipes. I was prepared for future developments on the northeast corner lot along the 23rd Street and Fifth Avenue Northwest, which will happen soon. As I was approached by a real estate agent who had purchased that corner lot recently. But I was completely surprised by the extensive proposed mid-block development when the sign went up last June. It is unprecedented for good reasons, I believe. Thank you. Thank you, uh Ms. Smith. Uh are there any questions uh for the speaker? Councillor Atkinson? Sorry, you just uh spoke to Impact's um where whereabouts are you located compared to the site? I'm next door to the two developments. Um to uh on in I'm just to the west. on the west side on Fifth Avenue. Yes. Okay. Great, thank you. And I was never approached when this was. I only knew about it because of the sign that went up next door. There was no engagement process as No, not by person or mail. Thank you, uh Ms. Smith. Uh Councillor Pentisopoulos. Ms. Smith, thank you so much for coming down to Delsby really quick. I really appreciate you coming down and presenting, particularly that you live uh literally adjacent to it. So I'll just ask again so the the applicant said cards were put, uh delivered, door knocking in the neighborhood. You just said that you received none of this, so there was no engagement. Um Do you know of any of your your neighbors? And I'm not just just speaking, was there a conversation when you went one door to the left? Or was there any Just in the back alley talking to neighbors who were surprised and were not pleased with the development that will happen. D you get a sense was there an engagement there? Did they speak to that? And again, I'm just I know it's just your your your opinion, but uh No, I don't believe so, but I don't know for sure. Absolutely. Um if you had a chance to engage, and I know you just thank you so much for your presentation and and your heartfelt comments, you you you know, what else? What would you have seen as being a reasonable, what would you have said, you know, look, as somebody that's lived in the neighborhood, what's something that's sensible and and makes a lot of sense had you had the opportunity to engage uh with your neighbor? I think given what has happened and I know it is a neighborhood connector, um, I think just like townhouses, not townhouses, row house and a garage where everything When you look at the site plan there's no real open area, it's all buildings and they're all three story except for the garage. Have you had a chance to look at the development permit? Were you able to get online or through a neighbor or colleague to r sort of review what's uh on on the system yet? No. That's no problem. Look, thank you so much for coming. Really appreciate your time. Thank you, Councillor. We'll now continue with the uh public hearing. Do we have uh Ryan Finney on the line with us? Um yes you do. Can you hear me? We can uh off to you, Ryan. We got five minutes with you. Okay, perfect. Um one, I'll just reiterate again on that public uh consultation stuff. Definitely the only reason we know it kind of happened is because there's surveyors that kind of showed up at our house, and my wife texts me there's kind of people in the yard. So in terms of engagement, I'd say it's probably at the absolute minimum there probably should be. Um I don't know if do you guys have the um PDF that I sent in for review? We do have a look at. Screen here. Okay, so perfect, because just uh the live screen's a little bit far behind. So there's the one snapshot of the actual DP plan. Um and I kind of have it marked up with their HGO inputs in there. Um so you guys have heard this stuff a million times before. Uh basically with the 16 units, like I just don't see how that fits within the current dwelling, mostly because it's not a corner lot. Um, there isn't enough street parking to accommodate the additional units with the basement suites and their garages. Um, the garbage disposal side as well, the waste removal actually impedes your parking as well because in order for those things to get removed according to the current bylaws for the waste removal for distances from bin to bin, like that's gonna take up two to four, two to three parking spaces every single two times a week as well. So I just don't see enough infrastructure being added to the proposed um HGO. It's just I just don't see these lots are not really large enough to accommodate this kind of item. As well as things like that second row unit where it's just gonna guarantee take away the sun away from the offsetting neighbors where it's just don't see it necessary. One, just you can't accommodate the basic needs in the first place, and then it just kind of just it does impede all offsetting properties as well. And the last one again is they're kind of mentioning the tree items there where there's definitely In the current DP plan, there's kind of minimal inputs on what trees are being infected. So I kind of highlighted in red in terms of what areas are expected to be removed. Mostly one, there's you know an adjacent tree line along the properties that is kind of not really noted in the DP plan either for actual what's going to be removed on what they're planning to do. So there's just a few, all the other items behind there are just kind of confirmations of that overview, the snapshots of the property lines and tree canopy removals and parking. Um I did put a slide at the bottom of like proposed fixes or just something, because obviously we're not opposed to development, but more or less just uh the inner the non corner lot with the 16 units just doesn't seem like it's is they're providing enough infrastructure to accommodate the 16 units. That's Short and sweet what I have there to kind of get through it and hopefully not over time. No, you're good. Thank you so much, Mr. Finney. Do we have any questions from members of council? Great. Seeing none, please stay in the line just in case. We are lastly to Brayden Kimoff. Do we have you? Braden, are you on the line with us? Oh, you're in person. Perfect. Good morning, your worship and council. Um I wanted to bring this proposal to your uh um attention because As you heard from our neighbors, we have a lot of concerns about this. The biggest thing is that the lack of transparency and community notification have a big been a big concern. Even though the applicants' community outreach dated to June 25, 25, claims that they've reached out to local residents within 100 meter radius by delivering postcards and knocking. When I spoke to our neighbors, they were unaware of this development, and that was a common theme within our neighborhood. No one had really any insight into this. So, with this, we have a lot of concerns with the amount of communication. The upsoning to HGO would remove the community's ability also to comment on this project, which allowed a contextual development permit application. It's unfair to the surrounding properties that are directly impacted by the increasing density to the upsone HDO. And we'd be un would be able to forego considerations for surrounding properties that would be factored in discretionary use permits under RCB zoning. All the considerations, properties that would be factored in discretionary. Account for discretionary use development permits under RCG zoning, such as the location, complexity, access, parking, and are very important for what I feel for this consideration here. The other thing too is within we mentioned this morning, traffic risks have been a big consideration. Right now, I cycle to work, I use that street quite often. When you add more cars on the street as a cyclist, it becomes a lot more dangerous. And the other concern too is that there's a lot of families that live in the area. You constantly see children and pedestrians going to the park nearby, and just adding more vehicles, adding more people will cause concerns. The other thing too is that we already have a lot of concerns with speeding in the area. Just this summer, it's quite common that motorcycles come off Crow Trail Trail and they come flying down that road. We've had many times within our cameras outside of our house, we've caught situations that have been happening there. And just by adding more and more density to this, it's going to cause issues within the safety of the area. The other thing, too, is that this was brought up within the West Hill Hurst Community Association. With HDO, there's a lot of rental focus that comes in. And with that, there's a lot of safety and security concerns that have been brought up. And this has been developed with other properties as well, too. We're also concerned that this build would form and encourage short-term rentals such as Airbnb, and we're worried about the safety issues that that would cause there too. The other thing, too, is within the current RCA, sorry, the RCG zoning, Roho House is already possible under it, always discretionary use, which allows community input. So we feel like with this right now, it would work well. HDO is completely unnecessary and excessive, and it's just a way that It's trying to fit as many spaces as possible within without the regard to the community. And with what I've heard from my neighbors and speaking to them, that's how we feel as well. We understand that development needs to happen, but we want it to be done within reason and we want it to be done with the respect of the community and the people around there. The current houses that are right next to it, they're not very big places, but if you put this monstrosity next to it that overshadows them, it's really going to change the character of the neighborhood and affect the housing. Thank you so much for being with us. Any questions from council members? Councillor Daly, well. Thank you, uh Mayor. Thank you for your presentation. Um couple things. Uh uh you said you guys are not you personally not uh uh not against RCG. So I'm okay with um the current zoning. Okay, so I think the current zoning works in favor we don't need to change anything. now. And it's important that we have discretionary use, so we're allowed to provide input and comment on it because West Hillhurst is a community that has a lot of new homes, a lot of old homes, has a lot of character, but we want to make sure that we're not building something because I've seen a lot of what's been built around there. And with these kind of complexes, they don't necessarily capture the essence of the neighborhood, and they're done in a way that it's profit over any aesthetics as well, too. Other question I think I picked up, you said the comps wasn't there. Um so you were hoping that the the applicant provide more rationale, switch from RCG to HCO, more conversation, because uh definitely if it states RCG, this is discretionary uh use, you will get input at the DP stage, but you were hoping at the uh land use to have that conversation. Yeah. Another thing too, it was mentioned, I forgot to bring it up as well, too, is that with parking, um, with the way that the street is and where it is in the middle, it's very important that that's a big consideration because within our alley, it's so narrow. You can If you have one car going through there and someone's leaving, you have to back in and not everyone's able to move at the same time. So to have parking in the back, it's just not going to be economical because already, like, if you're leaving in the morning and someone else is leaving, you can't really factor that in there. So we just want to make sure that our concerns are voiced and this is being developed in a way that benefits everyone. And I believe that everyone deserves affordable housing, and that's a consideration of Calgary. But we also need to respect the people that are living there and make sure that their concerns are brought in there. And we've already seen with how things are going right now is that with our last election, blanket rezoning was a big concern, and the big concern is that citizens don't have the opinion that they have a voice. So we just want to make sure that if this is going through, we have the ability to have our voice brought up, that our concerns are being there, that people are being notified, and that we're just doing things in the best interest of all Calgarians. Okay. No, that's great. Thank you. That's it from the mayor. Thank you, Councillor Kelly. Uh thank you, Mr. Kamel. This is a I hesitated asking this question, but uh because it kind of casts back. I'm just curious, did you have an opportunity or did you participate in the local area plan process when it happened here in West Hill First? No, I actually so I've only been in our house for about a year now. I came from Marteloupe and I wasn't part of that process. But I've seen that community and I've seen West Hillhurst, and one of the reasons I moved away from our loop was because of how that was developed. It became a completely different neighborhood than what I grew up in. So that was my concerns there. Thank you. I appreciate that. Uh and your worship, are are are we paneling with Mr. Finney currently? Uh we told him to stay on the line. So if Mr. Finney, if you're still there, I'll allow questions from council members, including you, Councillor Grove. Thank you, Mr. Finney. I just wanted to ask you the same question in terms of the local area plan process when that happened in West Hill First. Were you uh did you participate in that? Were you aware of it? Were you were you able to participate, et cetera? Um I was aware was referred the dates and time frames was not available to kind of attend and submit. Um but from that local area plan side, like I do agree with the improvements and changes, but also like looking at those items, it's not like um my two cents is when it's a local area plan, it's That should almost be all done at once, kind of thing. Like when so when you have these apartment buildings inside houses, like it's almost like kind of has to be more of a group-led effort. So the development side to me on the approved local area plan is actually the important part, not necessarily the original plan in place. Uh thank you very much. I appreciate that. And then the reason why I hesitated asking either of you this question is because I don't want to uh it to be in my question to be interpreted as casting that if you didn't participate, that's bad or anything along that. That that's not my intention here. I just wanted to get a little bit more information on my side, uh if you if you guys were aware. So thank you very much, worship. I appreciate the questions. That was definitely me who caught the um telling everyone that there's development going up because the whatever, the HGO redesignation was on the website for about a month, maybe five weeks prior to the signs going up. Just kind of just reiterating that one again. Thank you very much. With that, is there anyone else uh here in in the chamber or on the line to speak to this item? All right, seeing none, we will uh close the public hearing uh with your consent, Councillor. Are you okay with us finishing this item before the lunch break? Seeing uh no opposition, that has uh Is that a is that carried or is that just general consent, or do we kill general consent? That is unanimous consent and you can proceed. All right, we have unanimous consent and we can proceed. Uh Councillor Atkinson. wrong button. There we go. Uh a question of administration about the difference between um HGO and RCG and what All right, HGO allows that RCG zoning does not. Through the chair to Councillor Atkinson, thank you. So RCG limits development by units per hectare. So in this case, based on the parcel area combined of the two parcels that we're speaking of right now, a maximum of 75 units per hectare would allow for seven units plus seven suites if required. So another difference is that row houses and townhouses, the built form that is Shown on the DP, not necessarily what may or may not be approved though, those would fall under the uses of row house building and townhouse, which are both discretionary uses in RCG, which then opens it up for more engagement, more community involvement, the opportunity to appeal in a dis or decision, etc. In the HGO district, dwelling unit, which is the listed use for residential units. There is no row house building or townhouse in HGO. Dwelling unit is a permitted use. So in that case, if you develop a building that meets all of the rules within the HGO district, it's permitted. So that limits then the appeal or the opportunity for appeal, et cetera. However, you then have to meet every single rule in the HGO district. So that means you may not necessarily get as many units as you wanted based on parking requirements per suite and per unit setbacks, landscaping, amenity requirements. So that's why density, I guess, in a way, the built form is determined by the FAR. So as for the amount of suites you could get, that is really, really determined by if you can meet the rest of those rules. And you can also seek a relaxation in the HGO district. But then again, now you've opened it up to that wider community involvement, bigger conversations with the neighbors, and the opportunity for appeal. Okay. Thank you. I'll open with that. All right, that's been opened. Uh seconded by Councillor Schmidt. Or sorry, Councillor Clark. Councillor Schmidt does not have nearly as good a mustache as you, Councillor Clark. All right, that's on the floor. Uh uh any uh further debate or questions, uh Council? All right, seeing none, over to Councillor Atkinson to close. Um This is an interesting one, and that um yeah, in some ways the um the local area planning process sort of says that this can go here. We've talked about the issues with I think mid-block development and sort of the the density coming in. To be honest, and I want to make sure that community understands this. I am not opposed to density and actually, to be honest, even further density and densification in this area. It is the mid-block nature of this parcel. Uh, if it was ganged up with the corner and you can bring uh more density onto that site and having it next to the park, uh along a bikeway connected to transit, I am in support of that higher level of density coming in along this corridor. In the current application and the way that um it has gone towards this sort of H go, I see a concerning sort of way in which this goes in terms of like the number of units. Uh if we're not looking at um At sort of keeping the number of units under control and moving towards just increasing the amount of units, is this the right place to just be building uh the maximum number of sort of single uh capacity dwelling units? I I I don't know that I can necessarily support that. I also want to speak to uh Councillor Pantozopoulos' um piece on engagement. I think um what I've heard and what we saw here uh is that there was not engagement. I I have light expectations around engagement. I understand that community is going to be upset around changes to the neighborhood, uh, but I also have expectations that community members are notified. Uh, and to be honest, I did not find the uh answers from uh the applicant to sort of speak to being able to answer those questions to a satisfactory uh nature. And so at this time, I will not be supporting uh the development going forward uh in this way. Thanks. If if I may just clarify, just as chair, Councillor, you you moved the item here, but you are supporting the actual item itself. Just I I'm usually not gonna editorialize for close, but I just want to clarify. Yeah. Uh yeah, so sorry, I moved it to open it up for debate to sort of hear from uh my council colleagues, but hearing none, that was I'm just letting everyone know my sort of stance on the matter. So yeah. Okay, but the uh on this item you are supporting this item or you Oh no, sorry, I am not supporting uh supportive of this land use redesignation as it's brought forward. thank you, Councillor. Yeah. All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's uh engage the evote, please. Councillor Shabot, your vote, please, thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Uh yes. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On this motion, the motion has been defeated, 2 to 13, uh, with only myself and Councillor Schmidt uh in favor. All right, uh with that, uh colleagues, we will be back at uh 1 20. Good afternoon and welcome to our public hearing meeting of City Council. Uh Madam Clerk, please call the roll. Thank you, Mayor. On the roll. Councillor Dolly Wall, Councillor Jameson, Councillor Johnston, Here. Councillor Kelly, Here. Councillor McLean, Here. Councillor Pentezophilos, Welcome to TELUS Conferencing. Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Councillor Atkinson, Here. Councillor Schabo, Present. Councillor Clark, Present. and Mayor Farkas. I'm here. Thank you, Mayor. And for the uh several people who listen to the podcast version of Calgary City Council, welcome back to January 20 public hearing meeting of Council 2026. So with that, uh we resolved item 7.2.4. We are now on 7.2.5 Line Use Amendment in Clarney Glinker. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item on the agenda is a land use redesignation application to allow for a secondary suite. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 2D 2026 for the redesignation of 2034 28th Street Southwest from a direct control or DC district to the residential grade-oriented infill or RCG district. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the community of Killarney Glengarry on the east side of 28th Street between 19th Avenue to the north and 21st Avenue to the south. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 0.06 hectares in area and is developed with a semi detached dwelling and a detached garage accessed from the rear lane. Next slide, please. Surrounding development consists of a mix of low density and multi residential developments. A large park and the Callarney Recreation Center facilities are located two blocks to the west, and the 17th Avenue Neighborhood Corridor is located two blocks to the north, which provides various service, commercial, and retail uses. The subject parcel is currently designated as a DC district from the 1990s for the purpose of accommodating low density residential development in the form of single detached and semi-detached dwellings. Secondary suites are not allowed in the DC district as they were not a listed use in the previous land use bylaw 2P80. Next slide, please. The proposed RCG district allows for a variety of housing forms, including row houses and townhouses, along with secondary suites. The maximum building height is 11 meters and the maximum density is 75 units per hectare. Based on parcel area, this would allow up to four dwelling units on the subject parcel. However, the potential number of units depends on all other requirements of the district being met, including setbacks, landscaping, and parking. Next slide, please. The proposal is in alignment with the Westbrook Community's Local Area Plan, or LAP, which identifies the site as being within the neighborhood local urban form category. This category identifies intended for a range of housing types and home based businesses. The LAP also identifies this site as having a limited building scale modifier, which allows up to three stories in height. The limited scale policies within the neighborhood local category note that building forms containing three or more units are not supported on the subject parcel. Therefore, the applicant's intent with this proposal is only to accommodate a secondary suite within an existing dwelling unit. Next slide, please. In closing, this application would allow for an appropriate residential use that provides another housing option in the community. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject parcel. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you so much. Uh we will go to public hearing on this matter. The uh public hearing is open. Do we have the applicant with us by chance? I don't believe they were registered to speak, but uh is there anybody else who is here to speak uh in support or opposition to this item? Or neither. All right, seeing none, uh we will close the public hearing. Over to you, uh Councillor Schmidt. I can move it. All right, it's been moved, uh seconded by Councillor Kelly. Uh over to you to speak, Councillor Kelly. Uh removing a DC, I'd vote for it twice if I could. Well, you get uh so we got three readings for a reason, right? All right, uh Councillor Schmidt, you're closed. Uh Madam Clerk, let's please uh engage the evote. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. That has carried 15 to 0. We will now move to the readings of the bylaw 2D 2026. So first reading of bylaw 2D 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 2D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 2D 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 2D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. All right, we will move to item 7.2.6, land use amendment in Altador. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item on the agenda is a land use redesignation application to enable a mixed use development. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 8D 2026 for the redesignation of 2039 and 2043 34th Avenue Southwest from the Multi-Residential Contextual Low Profile or MC1 District and the Mixed Use General or MU1 District to the Mixed Use General MU1 District covering both parcels. Next slide. The subject site is located in the community of Altador on the south side of 34th Avenue, between 19th Street to the east and 20th Street to the west. The site also falls within the plan area of the West Elbow Community's Local Area Plan, or LAP. Next slide, please. The subject site consists of two parcels with a combined area of approximately 0.14 hectares. The eastern parcel is currently vacant and the western parcel is developed with a two-story multi-residential building and a four-car detached garage accessed from the rear lane. Next slide, please. Surrounding development consists of a mix of residential, commercial, and community uses. There are several four to six-story mixed-use buildings within the vicinity as well as multi-residential developments. 33rd Street is a neighborhood main street and part of the primary transit network. It offers a wide variety of multi residential housing and commercial, retail, and medical services. The eastern parcel is currently designated as the MU1 district with a floor area ratio or FAR modifier of three and a maximum height of 16 meters. The district is intended to accommodate a mix of residential and commercial uses, either in separate buildings or in the same building, and allows either residential or commercial uses to be located at grade. The western parcel is currently designated as the MC1 district, which is primarily intended for multi residential development of low height and medium density. The maximum FAR is 2.0, and the maximum building height is 14 meters. Next slide, please. This application proposes to redesignate both parcels to the MU1 district with an FAR modifier of four and a maximum building height of 24 meters, or approximately six stories. Next slide, please. The subject parcel falls within the plan area of the West Albo Communities LAP. The parcel is located within the neighborhood Flex typology, which is intended for a range of uses in standalone or mixed use buildings in the more commercially oriented areas of the plan area. The parcel is also located within the low building scale area of the LAP, which allows for buildings of up to six stories in height. Next slide, please. In closing, the proposed application would enable more housing choice and amenities in this inner city area that is served by convenient transit options and proximity to downtown. As such, the Calgary Planning Commission recommends that council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the land use redesignation. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you. We will open up our public hearing on this item, uh, starting with the applicant. Sorry, can I borrow your slide number three, please? Thank you. Again, this is LeWand. I'm speaking in support of this application. If we can go back to slide number three. So this project is uh next one please. Is many years in making. So we started with the Neighbor's Lot 2039 back in 2023-2024. So we applied mixed use for that lot first. And then during the public hearing for that one, the question we got asked is first of all, whether it's featherable for mixed use development for one lot. So my answer at that time that is doable, but it's going to be a little bit tough. The other question we got asked is whether we have made a concrete effort to try to acquire the neighbor slot to make it a more vibrant mixed use project in this location. So at that time I said we did try, but the price tag is not working. So shortly after we we received the United States approval for that rezoning. Shortly after the herring, we wakened the lot. So right now you can see the lot is waking. And then when the opportunity comes for the neighbor slot, we take over the neighbor slot and fire this application. So this application is again for mixed use development with a density and flow area that is contextually sensitive to what is already happening in the area. Throughout the East area, there are already some very successful mixed-use buildings with some commercial element in the main floor, serving not only the units above, but also the community. So we want to continue these parts and then make it a very successful mixed use development on one side, provide a variety of commercial uh opportunities to serve the residents and also the local for the area, also at the same time provide some uh affordable housing unit. So ICCD Hope Council can support this application. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Any questions for the applicant? Council. Seeing none, uh thank you, Miss Thank you so much for being here, Ms. Wayne, Mr. Wayne. Are there any other uh speakers for this item? Anyone here for this public hearing? Anyone on the line with us? Seeing none, we will close the uh public hearing for 7.2.6. Over to Councillor Schmidt. Uh yes, I can move the item and uh again I'll save my comments for close. Great. Any uh debate, questions for administration? Sorry, actually I I do have uh some questions for administration. Yeah, go for it. Um so this under the West Elbow LAP this would be classified as low scale, correct? Thank you for the question through the chair. Yes, this would be low scale, so up to six stories in height. And so when when we're looking sorry. Oh, when when we're looking at when LAPs are created through engagement and through um the planning department's assessment of the suitability of where we place density in certain areas, um I believe ARPs have density targets for specific. uh uh radiuses or or areas is that correct that ARPs included density targets? Through the chair, it really depended on the ARP. I don't think there was a standard target throughout all of them, but specific to LAPs again. I would defer that question to Mr. Fraze. If you come up with an LAP question, he'll be able to better answer. As we're not involved with the LAP process. Yeah. Good afternoon, Kevin Frayes, Manager of Local Area Planning. Yeah, as Ms. Gansar indicated, ARPs range in vintage over decades, and the way we measured intensity and density and height varied through the course of those ARPs. With the new LAPs, they are enabling policy, and we've chosen to measure that by a maximum number of stories within a certain building scale. And so in this case, it's a low building scale. Given the characteristics of the area and proximity and the supportive nature of transit, the main street, all the services that are there through the course of the engagement and our assessment, it was determined that low scale was the suitable. Uh category here. I yeah get on that point because the as we've heard a lot in in in Marteloup they've gone through some growing pains with the the changes to the neighborhood. So is there an is there an ongoing way that we measure As we see these developments come up that align with the LAP, how land use changes affect the neighborhood as a whole? Is there an assessment of that that is worked into the LAP or through the process of deciding on a more ongoing basis how the designations that we've given to these parcels are working in reality versus the plan? Yeah, great quack great question. Um as part of our LAP program, we do have a sustainment and monitoring team. So that team obviously has uh there hasn't been as much to monitor with the early days of the LAPs, but certainly over the course of uh of having aid in place now, we are getting to the point where we're seeing a lot more development that's been impacted by LAPs, and we will be reporting on uh the impacts uh of of what we're seeing on the ground in terms of development activity and some of the things that you've mentioned in terms of parking and such. And so we will be coming forward to council in the next few years, I would say, to deliver some of that information uh and to show the impacts that we're we're we're seeing uh and the results in terms of some of the positive outcomes that we're we're hoping for. Because certainly this policy gives us at least a template to help us make decisions on these types of changes, but especially in neighborhoods like Marteloup that saw an intensity of change. I think for the future, regardless of this individual application, that n having some updated information about how it's been working in places like Marteloup would would help us inform. these choices a little bit more. So is that you know thinking of Marteloup in particular, is it reasonable to say that we could carve some a neighborhood like that out and say, can can we see an update about how this is working? Um yeah, I mean I I um we do have a program in place. We do have metrics that we're looking at now, so if there's something specific, I think we could potentially pull that out um in time. But uh but currently we don't have anything specific to MartaLoop. Okay, thank I'll I'll follow up on that. But otherwise I mean this fits with the LAP and um I think that would be the end of my question. So thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Anyone else on this? Seeing none, over to you to close, Councillor Schmidt. Well, I guess I'll be nothing if not consistent. Um despite the challenges that we faced in Marteloup, um w we heard that the applicant uh listened to counsel and made an effort to look at making this redesignation more suitable based on acquiring another parcel to uh m make this fit better with the I'm gonna stop you. We needed a seconder. Second by Councillor Atkinson. Madam Clerk. To to again make this more suitable, they've put in the work. We have a policy that is newer, that is uh, as we heard, took into account this particular area. So for those reasons, I uh can't find a reason not to support this. Alrighty, uh with that, uh Madam Clerk, let's engage the evote. Councillor Tyres, your vote please. Yes. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. That uh land use item in Altador Ward 8. The motion is carried 14 to 1. We will now move to the readings of the bylaw. Or sorry, 14 to 1, Councillor Johnston was opposed. Man, I I don't know what it is being back in this chamber. Something in the air. Alright, uh, we will now move to the uh readings of the bylaw. Uh first reading of bylaw 8D 2026, Councillor Johnston is opposed, and that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 8D 2026, Councillor Johnston is opposed, and that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 8D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 8D 2026. Councillor Johnston is opposed. And that is carried. All right. We will now move to 7.2.7. Thanks for your help today, Ms. Genser. Thank you, Worship. Hello, everybody. My name is Derek Pomerenki. I'm a senior planner with the Community Planning Department, and I'll be presenting the next three applications. Item 7.2.7 is a policy amendment and a land use amendment to allow for both new construction and the addition to an existing building up to six stories total in height. Next slide, please. The recommendations before you today are to give three readings to proposed bylaw 1P 2026 to amend the Beltline Area Redevelopment Plan, and then to give three readings to proposed bylaw 5D 2026. This second bylaw will redesignate the site located at 532 and 534 17th Avenue Southwest to revise the floor area ratio and height modifiers listed on the site's existing Commercial Corridor 1 or Seacor 1 district. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the beltline along the north side of 17th Avenue Southwest, which is a neighborhood Main Street. The site is between 4th and 5th Street Southwest, which are both north south connectors between downtown and Mission. Two major retail streets, a high school and numerous city parks, are within walking distance. Next slide, please. The site currently comprises two separate parcels. The western parcel is developed with a four-story commercial office building, which has the ship and anchor pub on the ground level. The east parcel is developed with a two-story residential apartment building, which was constructed in 1948. The intent of this application is to demolish the apartment building and construct a new six story mixed use building. As well, the applicant proposes to construct two additional floors on top of the existing office building, as well as to convert some of its floor area to residential uses. Next slide, please. Surrounding land use is characterized mainly by low to mid-rise commercial and mixed-use developments along 17th Avenue. North of the site is primarily multi-residential development, with the land use districts there allowing for high-rise residential towers. Next slide, please. This application proposes to retain the site's existing C Corps 1 designation, which is intended to allow for retail activity at grade facing a commercial street and may have other uses above the ground level. This application proposes to change the modifiers on the district, which would allow for a greater density by establishing a maximum floor area ratio of 4.0, which is an increase from the existing 3.0. And this proposal would change the maximum building height to 24 meters, which is an increase from the site's existing maximum of 23 meters. Next slide, please. The subject site is restricted to three FAR in the Beltline Area Redevelopment Plan. Should council wish to support this redesignation, an amendment to the ARP would be required to allow for up to four FAR on the subject site specifically. This amendment aligns with the high level objectives of the plan. Next slide, please. In closing, this application maintains the same general built form currently permitted on the site and accommodates slight increases in the total floor area ratio and the maximum height. Calgary Planning Commission supports the application and recommends council's approval. Thank you. Thank you very much. Let us open the public hearing on this item, the uh land use amendment about line ward eight. If we have the applicant with us. Perfect. Good afternoon, Mayor and members of the council. My name is Jabron. I'm here on behalf of the applicant, Manuchuk Architects, to answer any questions that the council may have. Thank you. Uh any questions for the applicant? Councillor Schmidt? Uh yes, thank you. Sorry I didn't get to the chat fast enough. Um have you can you elaborate on the public engagement that um you did as part of this uh application? Thank you, Council, for the question. We had an engagement session with the Belchine Neighborhood Association where we presented to them the scheme of our development and took their feedback. They were supportive of the addition of density, and their main feedback was that we have to be sensitive to the design because it's the 70th Avenue. This is something we have done and kept as an important point in our application. And we didn't receive any uh negative uh feedback from any other uh members of the community. Th there was one letter of opposition that we received. Uh yes, uh coming to that, we did see in the application package that the administration has received uh uh a letter of opposition, and this is something we have discussed with the client, and we have the representative here with us uh who would be adding to that. I would speak to the to the to the points uh within our scope. Some of the concerns highlighted in that letter were that it could disrupt businesses. There are uh there would be uh pr any problems with the parking. And to that, uh, our response is that we would uh it's it's our aim to To mitigate any such issues in terms of construction dust to the best possible industry standards, so we are doing the best we can. And as far as the parking is concerned, we have a consultant on board who is doing a parking study which has been shared with the city as part of the DP. And this will all be addressed throughout the DP process. And how did the comments from the BNA um did they have any effect on your thoughts around continuing with this land use application? Did that uh what what sort of resulted from that discussion? So it was received very well from them. They got a chance to look at the some of the floor plans we had at the time. That's prior to applying for the DP. And because we reiterated that we are retaining commercial uses in which is in line with the developments supposed to be on the 17th Avenue, they were very supportive of it. And so speaking of commercial uses, there's uh the ship and anchor is on the ground floor. Um a beloved institution in this city. Uh can you speak to any effects this application would have on the continued existence of the ship and anchor? We have Julie here to respond to that question. Hi everyone, uh Julie Brash Strategic Group. Um, we are intending on maintaining full operations of the ship and anchor uh while we undergo construction. So one of the main things that we're doing in terms of design and construction is ensuring that their services are maintained intact. So our building and our new services are gonna be actually separate from them. So they will remain open. Um we have an in house property management team and leasing team, which is a benefit to this type of situation where we can have immediate lines of communication between our in-house development team, our in house construction team, and and property management and leasing. So any concerns that come up, we we all are kind of in direct communication with them. Yeah. Thank you. I only ask because if uh we voted on something that disrupted the ship and anchor, none of us would ever get re-elected. So thank you. Oh boy. I will say political futures are not a planning matter that uh is before us. So But the odd joke is okay, right? Yes. Anyone else uh for the applicant? Uh Councillor Atkins. I'm just it sounds very interesting the idea of sort of um doing the built form up and then over. And I just think actually like documenting this as a city that is starting to sort of recognize a need to um take down some buildings, modify buildings uh so that the city as a whole can learn from this activity uh would be uh a great public benefit. So yeah. Just a note on that. Thank you. Uh anyone else for the applicant? Councillor Johnson? sorry, one of the concerns with uh public submission was potential height of uh whatever renovations. Um I know this is just the land use, but do you know potentially would the height change? So one of the constraints is that the ship and anchor being an existing building, that's our guiding line to uh to start the initial floors. On top of that, we are trying to retain uh the same floor to floor height for the new addition on uh on the buildings. So uh we are still within the within our ask of 24 meters, which is very close to what the current land use allows. So we are not expected to. uh shoot off of that figure by any uh substantial amount. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Any other council members for the applicant? All right. Seeing none, thank you so much for being here with us. Anyone else uh wish to speak to this item, please? 7.2.7 land use amendment and belt line. Going once, going twice. I would Sorry, we have somebody on the line. Uh, if you just uh introduce yourself. yes. James Ballantine from the Ship and Anchor Pub. Oh, go ahead, Jay. Good to hear from you, man. Uh a couple of things. Uh I have a a prepared statement, but I I did want to say that in terms of uh outreach, uh I last spoke to someone from Strategic on this matter in February of last year uh when they said they would get me plans as soon as there were some available. And I did not see plans uh at all until uh just over a week ago. Um Nice to see that the community association has seen plans, but uh I haven't seen any uh beyond what's uh on on uh the city site. Um the uh uh so I have been the principal shareholder of the ship and anchor for the last 34 plus years. Uh and uh well, long story short, we're opposed to this application. I apologize for my uh clearing my throat. I have a terrible cold that I didn't want to bring into s into council today, so I phoned in. So we're opposed to this application, at least in its current form. We are not opposed to increased density, however, nor increased height, depending on where it is on a site. And we recognize the need for residential construction in the inner city. What we are greatly concerned about is the avail is the viability of a busy live music venue operating directly beneath and in the same structure as residential housing. Notwithstanding the fact that acoustic shielding can be added, which will lessen the transfer of the higher pitched sounds through the floor of the apartments above, my research would suggest that live music requires structural decoupling to limit bass levels passing through a building. In this case, however, or in any case where the music venue and the residential units are facing in the same direction and the apartments are directly above, much of the general pub sound and particularly live music emanates out the front of the pub and will have only a few feet to travel to the balconies and windows of the lower apartments above, and it will be loud. The ship offices were on the second floor directly above the pub for many years, and it was very loud when bands played. Without creating a structurally independent residential building which is acoustically shielded to a very high spec, it is unrealistic to think that the music can be muted to the point that it will be acceptable to someone trying to sleep in the apartments. It will almost certainly lead to complaints, which bylaw officers will have to respond to and we will have to address. And the only way to bring live music levels Down so they do not exceed 50 or even 65 decibels in the above scenario would be to stop playing live music, which would be catastrophic for our business. Live music has been one of the key elements of the success of the ship. If, however, this project is approved as currently presented, then putting on live shows as we have for 35 years, free to our customers as they've always been, at the same volume as they've always been presented, could in fact contribute to our demise. Another concern we have, and we haven't seen the full flange yet, so there could be others, is the detrimental effect of residential development built to the very edge of two sides of the ship and anchor patios at a significantly greater height than the current office building, which is, I think, about 16 meters. Being shadowed by a residential apartment building and overlooked by five stories of individuals in their own homes in balcony fronted apartments is a very different ambiance to being adjacent to three stories of office building on only one side of the patio as we are now. Sitting on a patio on 17th Avenue beside an office building is to be sitting within the premises of one business with people above who are at work and who do not have the same sense of propriety about their space. Sitting on the same patio adjacent to people who are in their home on their balconies will feel at least a little bit like you're intruding on their personal space. We don't think ship customers are going to be nearly as comfortable in that setting. And that would compromise what has become a very popular spot for the beltline community. Further, if we're in a situation that some of the residents overlooking the patio are also bothered by the music or crowds on the patio, it might not just be awkward. It is conceivable that it could become openly hostile. But a ship at anchor or any other business to find itself in that situation in the name of density would be a disaster, a preventable disaster. Density should support culture, not displace it, and live music in particular needs all the help it can get to survive in Calgary. I would ask that council approve this only if the most rigorous acoustic measures are written into the bylaw, and at least in the case of this application, that a significant setback is required to create separation between the ship and the residential units. We will have further comments in this application than plans and other information is made available to us. Thank you. Thank you, uh, Mr. Ballantyne. Over to Councillor Johnston for a question for you. Uh my question's for uh James. Um can you just speak to more about the outreach? You said you didn't um he hear about this until last week. Mm-hmm. Could could have been that you missed like a letter, because it's in here it says that letters were handed out, I think. Um We are in contact with the strategic property management group at all uh very often. I don't think it'd be very difficult to get us a letter if they wanted to. And I don't know of any other anyone else having received a letter, but I mean, I was told on more than one occasion I would get the plans when they were available and they they've never showed up. It obviously I could have dug around and found out that they had moved ahead, but I was kind of shocked to find out they had because when we spoke last year, I said that we're open to the possibility of this happening. But it's going to be complicated and particularly the construction process uh and how and what space we're gonna end up with and how many changes are going to occur and how we're gonna accommodate that and and uh amend our lease to allow for it. This was, I fear, the point at which um it was decided that they didn't want to talk to us anymore, uh, because that maybe sounded like a complicated process. But uh long story short, that was the end of uh end of the conversation, and we haven't heard anything since. I can hear the frustration in your voice. Um I I'm not sure I'm gonna vote on this right now, but uh is there a path forward that work could be or sorry, uh this uh could be uh approved um with your blessing or at least so it doesn't affect your business as much? Uh so that yes, I think there's a path path forward, and which I made clear to them uh that I was willing to sit down and talk about it. Um so I mean I I thought I could leave it at that, but it's complicated. Okay. No, that's okay. I just think um Th there needs to be more effort to get to the people most affected by these land use changes. So I I do appreciate your time. Thank you, Councillor Johnston. Uh, Councillor Schmidt. Uh thank you, Mr. Valentine. Um I'm wondering if the engagement you're looking for, if that did occur, would that change your perspective on your position on this uh application? Uh well my perspective and have looked into this of of this kind of thing uh over the years. We did we owned the building at one point and we've looked at doing renovations and And uh we've looked at we looked at many options. So we did talk to people about acoustics and how that might work. And I th I think it's a very difficult building to provide any sort of acoustic shielding in. Um and and from my reading, it would suggest that the only way you can actually provide that shielding, particularly if you're just going to have uh residential on one floor directly above you, is that you have to s kind of suspend the a pad, a new concrete pad on rubber. uh and somehow separate the the existing concrete structure and and on and on. I mean it just sounds like an extraordinarily complex process, which I'm uh I I doubt any developer would want to go through. So I mean I've but look I'm I'm open to discussion. I don't have all the facts on this. I don't know how the acoustics would work exactly uh but it um It that that would be that is a huge problem and a huge concern for me, not and it's not just at the ship. I mean, live music is a problem for me across the board and and I think that venues like ours in a situation like this will run into big trouble because it's very difficult to have live music uh in a building with uh uh residential use if it's not designed for it. Um but so yes, I'm open to discussion about how the acoustic problem might be solved. I'm open to discussion about uh the how we might mitigate the the overbearing presence of the the new building, excuse me, the uh of the new building on the patios. Um I'm I'm open to discuss all these things. So yes, I'm not confident that we're going to get very far down that road because we've already had uh eleven months of time uh pass without any discussion whatsoever. But we are open to it. And And incidentally we have got 16 years more lease in that building Which uh is not going to change. We're not going anywhere. Uh and we have the use of all the areas we currently have are all our exclusive use areas. So it's gonna be it's gonna require a conversation, put it that way, for them to move ahead with any sort of development. did you hear from the city planning department as part of the uh engagement process? We spoke to uh uh planning. I spoke to planning um last when the f when the signs first went up on the site, I spoke to planning. And at that point there wasn't much information uh to be had. Um and then when I saw the the new um when I when I well I saw I was walking down the lane and I saw the secondary thing about land use and I spoke to uh Kate Ball at that uh planning and uh and she brought me up to speed with roughly speaking what's going on. Um so yes, I have spoken with them. Okay, that's good to hear. Uh I don't have any further questions, but you know, just for your own knowledge with our decision here today, a lot of the concerns that you're addressing are things that we can't necessarily consider at this stage, but um would just welcome you to reach out to the ward office and uh we can continue to work with you on this to make sure you know. However, the vote goes today to ensure that you have what you need to uh continue working with those who are developing the site. Great. I appreciate that. Thank you. Uh over to Councillor Pantozopoulos. Thanks so much. Just wanted to pick up on that that sound, because I heard a couple things and you even echoed it a second time. Uh a concern about sound and you want to make sure there's there's some Insulation, for lack of a better term, to prevent that. And then you spoke about sort of ambiance and the neighbors. Maybe just speak about setbacks, ultimately, sort of so you know, people aren't looking into the the patio. What what would work? Like what in your judgment would work that you'd want that you still recognize as 17th Avenue that You've got neighbors, you've got other landowners that have rights and privileges to do things on their land. So maybe just maybe speak a little bit oh giving you weren't given that chance to engage, but I just heard a lot of things about concerns about residents, but then it came down to but I don't want people looking into my patio and noise and things. So if if you could, thank you. Right. Um The uh what I think would work, what I I in fact had discussed with another developer uh a while ago, was a new building forming an L that would go back the length of 532 and then cut across the rear of 534. Uh and and then cantilever at over the bottom two floors, for example, of uh the current four story structure. So you would take off the top two stories of office. leave the the commercial below either one or two stories and then cancelever the new building over the top. So they would actually be separate uh structures and it would be much easier to um soundproof and they would be then set back from the uh the ship patios. So both for the sound that will drift up and around always from a pub, particularly with live music, uh to the Balconies above, uh, they would be set back a ways enough that that shouldn't be nearly the problem it would be if they're directly above. Uh and and structurally, I think that's what's most important is you'd have isolation because you'd have the old building still there with the new building wrapped around, and they uh this the sound would not transfer between the two of them in the same way it would within one building. Thanks so much. Thank you. Any other questions uh for Mr. Ballantine? Thank you so much uh for being with us. You can continue to follow on the live stream. Thank you so much. Anyone else uh for the public hearing item? Anyone else on the line or in person here? All right. We will close then the uh public hearing over to members of council for questions for administration. Uh shall we start with you, uh Councillor Schmidt? Would you like me to move the item? Uh if you'd like to, yep. Sure, I can move it. Do we have a seconder? Second by Councillor Atkinson. And okay, over to you, Councillor Schmidt. So more technical question that might not be appropriate in the context, but uh given that most of the concerns revolved around the development permit stage, um That is the status of the development permit, is it under review right now? That's correct. We have a development permit under review, and the development permit file manager is the one who met with uh Mr. Ballantyne the other day to bring him up to speed. Okay. Um are pre approval conditions something that are considered at that during that process? What we would do is we we would the applicant is entitled to apply for anything that they're allowed to do under the land use, under the rules that city council is considering applying today. Um we couldn't we wouldn't presume in advance that oh we would not support something that aligns with those rules more or less. Um and we try not to promise relaxations in advance of having a development permit in front of us. We'd have to look at every aspect of that and see how it works with the specific rules. Um, but we're not essentially able to condition a land use approval. I just asked because there seemed to be a gap in what was the sort of a desired level of engagement so. More for the benefit of the um the member of the public, Mr. Ballantyne, who was on the phone today, that based on the stage of the development permit and the opportunity for further engagement that from where we are in the process, as far as uh you know, separate from this land use, that there's still opportunity uh for people to work together to try to craft the concerns that are not before us here today. Uh yeah, I will say the development permit is under review. Uh it's going to the urban design review panel tomorrow, I believe, for um a more uh more rigorous architectural review from our our panel of experts. I would say there is plenty of room for adjustments to be made to this development permit as we go through the process in response to feedback from from everybody involved in the project. Okay. And may I add, counsel uh Councillor, just that um typically acoustic shielding requirements are going to be a minimum standard outlined in the building code. So while while the development permit application is still open, there is opportunity for um Collaboration, for lack of a better words, between the current tenant and the property owner. Nothing that the city has, to my knowledge, would be able to enforce a provincial requirement higher than what's outlined in the building code for acoustic purposes. Certainly nothing would be stopping um a proponent from going beyond the requirements in the building code. Nothing stops them from exceeding the requirements. They must meet the minimum requirements, but the minimum requirements are minimum. Okay. Um those are my questions, thank you. Thank you, Councillor Atkinson. There are other jurisdictions that are dealing with this, right? Loss of uh loss of venues and cultures as sort of uh we see sort of gentrification of of areas over time. Are is there anything in what we're developing when we're trying to take more of a holistic view on planning to sort of um deal with noise, or you're moving into the building and therefore you have lesser, you know, uh levels of expectation around noise complaints, these kinds of things? Full disclosure, this is going to be way out of my lane, but I'm we do have an arts and culture strategy which would promote things like live music, and we want to see more of that, and it would run into the direct impact of how do we then balance the noise impacts. So to what I'm uh for to my knowledge, we don't have any specific guidance from city council or from another jurisdiction as to which way we should lean in the event of a conflict like that. Okay. And that just to sort of go back to the minimum noise, uh, so that's that's the same on like any residential construction, is is that what you mean? Like the minimum noise abatement between floors and these kinds of things. Correct. And again, I'm also out of my lane here as well as but building code specifically talks about buildings on private property, whereas the city's noise bylaws about noise spreading out to outside the property. And to for people to file complaints and then a peace officer comes out and that's the case. Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks. Thank you, Councillor Kelly. Thank you, worship. Uh just wanted to f uh pick up on my previous two colleagues who were uh asking specifically, I mean, land use is what's before us today. I recognize the fact that to the to the admin folks are with us today, this is using your words, out of your lane. Uh but I did want to uh draw a very sort of clear line here for us. Uh Development permits do not come to council, so that we don't really get much of an opportunity to weigh in. So uh I'll ask this maybe as a question for you, but I recognize the fact that the actual answer is more on the development permit side and to other colleagues rather than uh rather than yourselves. Um to what Councillor Atkinson was just bringing up, the uh I myself spent years working in the uh not-for-profit arts uh uh space, have been part of building two different theaters in Calgary. There are uh specific requirements when building those that are far and above the minimum requirements that are required in in building code. And uh I I recognize here this is something that we we we would need to take a look at. So I guess my question, and and and I'm happy to, in debate, sort of say the same thing to the uh to the applicant. But my question, I guess, to administration is can you pass along on behalf of counsel our concern at the development permit stage uh uh about the noise transfer within this building and and uh facilitate whatever conversation uh is appropriate uh between uh administration and the applicant and um The operators within the building to make sure that appropriate noise abatement and vibration maintenance, et cetera, within the within the design decisions that they make are being addressed. The concerns raised by the community, the patrons of the pub, the owners of the pub, potential future residents of any building that would be constructed above the ship, those are well heard and will be taken into account. Thank you very much. I apologize, your worship. I'm not really sure what other way is available to us to be able to pass that message along. So I thought this was a good, as good a way as any that's available to us as a council to make that clear to administration. Sounds good. Any other questions, sir? I'll just uh maybe on behalf of council, I'll ask. Uh I think there's a clerical amendment that if uh this motion were passed, it would be required after the first reading of the first set of bylaws. If you could just speak to what that table is and The amendment. That's correct. There was a few different applications in flight with this that would affect the beltline area redevelopment plan. And a previous amendment that was approved by council is not reflected in this table. Therefore, upon first reading, we would need to replace this with a new table that accommodates the previously approved amendment. Thank you. And just in plain words, what's the difference between the two tables? Uh I couldn't tell you. I think there's an extra address in there that has a specific exclusion to uh the floor area ratio. We approved a floor area ratio, I think, further west down uh 17th Avenue, which is not reflected in the one currently proposed before you today. Sounds good. Any other uh questions on this? So again, council, uh, if the uh recommendations will pass, then uh on the first set of bylaws, the 1P2026, after the first reading, we'll go to the possibility for that amendment. Seeing other questions, over to Councillor Schmidt to close. So this is a tough one because uh we certainly don't want to see a strong local business that is contributing to the music scene as a live music venue suffer from this, but it's tough because that is something that Can can't really factor into our decisions here. And given this is 17th Avenue, right by Fifth Street, many amenities, access to transportation are there. This land use is certainly appropriate for that area. So I I will support this today, but with the a strong message to the developer that um there should be further meetings uh with mr ballantyne and uh even involving the ward office so that we can ensure that we don't affect the continued success of a place that many uh calgarians appreciate and uh have been going to for many years. So I I will support this but um with that caveat uh to the developer who's here today. Thank you. Thank you, council. Before we uh go to the vote here, we're we have there's two sets of three readings here. The first is around the Beltline Area Redevelopment Plan, and the next is the redesignation of the uh specific site. All right, uh Madam Clerk, let's please engage the evo. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. All the votes are in. Thank you. Uh please display the results. On the land use amendment and belt line Ward 8. Uh the motion has carried, with counselors Ward, Pantasopoulos, and tires opposed. So we will now go to two sets of readings. First stop is 1P2026, which uh relates to the area plan. First reading of bylaw 1P 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Uh the first reading is passed. I'm going now to Councillor Schmidt. Uh sorry, I um tuned out for a second there. Oh, no worries. You're uh you're just gonna place the amendment on the uh I'll move the amendment. Um thank you. That's seconded by Councillor Chabot. And I just want to be crystal clear here. The proposed amendment here impacts a table in the bylaw that our council had previously amended at the 2025, December 15th public hearing. And due to the timing of these amendments and the respective dates, the proposed amendment and this item didn't take into consideration the previous amendment that happened. So essentially, this is just to uh maintain the decision that council made uh previous uh to the break. And this is uh reflected on the screen here. So that was uh moved by councillor Schmidt, uh seconded by Councillor Chabot. Are we agreed on the amendment? All in favor, any opposed? That motion has carried unanimously. So we will now move to the second. Reading of the bylaw as amended. Second reading of bylaw 1p 2026 as amended. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 1p 2026 as amended. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 1p 2026 as amended. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Alright, so we have dealt with the area plan amendment. Now we're moving to the site specific one, which is bylaw 5D 2026. First reading of bylaw 5D 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 5D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 5D 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 5D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried. All right, we are off to 7.2.8. Policy amendment and Ramsey. Thank you, Mayor. Item 7.2.8 is a policy amendment, uh, a standalone policy amendment to allow for four dwelling units and four secondary suites of infill development. Next slide, please. The recommendation before you today is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 2P 2026 to amend the Ramsey Area Redevelopment Plan. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the inner southeast community of Ramsey, at the north end of the community, up against the heavy rail line. This site is one block from the future Ramsey Green Line Station, Inglewood Ramsey Green Line Station at 12th Street, and it is an 11 minute walk to the 9th Avenue Main Street in Inglewood. Next slide, please. This parcel is the second lot in from the corner. It has a rear lane and it is currently developed with a single detached dwelling. These parcels on this block are approximately 20% deeper than the standard parcel in Calgary. The north end of the LRT station will be approximately visible in the bottom right corner of the image. Next slide, please. Surrounding development is characterized primarily by low-density residential dwellings under the RCG, the Residential Grade Oriented Infill District. A neighborhood activity center is located a couple blocks to the west on 8th Street with local commercial uses as well as some townhouse development. Next slide, please. This application proposes to amend the Ramsey Area Redevelopment Plan to support the development of row houses, townhouses, and duplex dwellings on the subject site. Specifically, this amendment would revise map 4 of the ARP by changing the land use classification of the site from low density residential in yellow to the orange low density multi unit redevelopment. Should council approve this policy amendment, it would allow for the approval of a development permit application we have under review on the site. It proposes the development of two semi detached buildings, one in the front and one in the rear, with a detached garage on the rear lane, as well as four basement secondary suites. This parcel's additional 25 feet of depth allows for greater separation between the buildings and provides more space on the parcel. Next slide, please. In closing, this application would allow for grade-oriented housing, which is moderate in density and suitable for its proximity to an imminent LRT station. Calgary Planning Commission supports the application and recommends council's approval. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Let's please open the public hearing on 7.2.7. Or no, 7.2.8. Oh my gosh. All right. Do we have the applicant with us? Please come on up. Hi, good afternoon. My name is Lais Ferreira and I'm here today in support of the LOC 2025 0177 for the property at 1106 9th Street Southeast. This application seeks a minor policy amendment to allow for four plex residential development, which is already permitted under the existing zoning, but is currently restricted by the 1994 Ramsey ARP. This side sorry, next slide, please. This site is located in a highly connected and accessible area of Ramsay within 200 meters of the Future Green Line and within 200 meters of a bike lane. It is also within walking distance from 8th Street, 12th Street, and 9th Avenue, which have local commercial amenities. Ramsey already includes a diverse range of housing. According to the 2021 census, nearly 40% of the homes in the community are composed of townhomes or small scale multi residential buildings. This proposal builds on that existing diversity while respecting Ramsey's established character. Next slide, please. The subject parcel is currently zoned SRC, which allows for up to five dwelling units for a parcel this size. This application seeks a minor policy amendment to align the statutory plan with existing land use bylaw. Next slide please. The proposal consists of four three-bedroom townhomes and two bedroom basement suites, sorry for each uh townhome, providing family-oriented housing in transit supportive location. The development is arranged into two low rise residential buildings with a landscape courtyard and a laned access garage, minimizing impact on the street and surrounding homes. The design was guided by the sub area two development guidelines from the Ramsey Air Bean effect. Next slide, please. The proposal buildings are two stories tall, which about 10 meters in height, which matches the prevailing scale of the street and complies with the sub-area designing guidelines. Architectural features such as front porches and articulated roof lines reduce the visual mass and maintain the low profile appearance. Next slide, please. This slide illustrates the compatibility of the proposed development with the height of the other developments surrounding within the street. Next slide, please. Privacy has been addressed by oriented units towards the laneway, providing six-foot fencing along the side properties, and ensuring that all upper story windows meet the land use bylaw privacy requirements, with the seal heights being at 1.5 meters from the finished floor. Next slide, please. Roof form is an important heritage element in Ramsey. The ARP specifically referenced the 12 by 12 pitch gable roofs with the gable end facing the street as a defining characteristic for the sub area, which we have incorporated into the proposed development design. Next slide, please. The local area plan as well also emphasizes the front porches and the street facing entries and important architectural elements. This approach supports ion street, walkability, and reinforces the traditional residential pattern of the community. Next slide, please. Lastly, the exterior finishes include narrow profile siding and brick consistent with the community pattern and the ARP guidelines as well. Bay windows were also incorporated to reflect the traditional design elements seen in nearby homes. Next slide, please. So, to conclude, this proposal represents a thoughtful, modest, and policy aligned proposal for the site. The requested policy amended amendment simply brings the Rams ARP into alignment with existing zoning and other planning policies, allowing for a form of housing that provides accessibility to family oriented homes. For these reasons, it is my opinion that this amendment should be approved by Council today. So thank you very much. Thank you. Any questions for the applicant? Seeing none, thank you so much for being with us. Anyone uh else in person or on the line who would like to speak to this? Thanks for your patience, sir. Thank you. Good afternoon, Your Honor, or the Mayor and Council. My name is Julianne Osberg. I do not represent any business or group. However, my husband and I have lived in Ramsey for 30 years. Most of that time time has been on the same street as the proposed development. We have seen a lot of change in Ramsey. Including more recently a significant increase in the density in our neighborhood and our street. On the back streets, many older houses have been and are being replaced by infills and semi detached duplexes, often with basement suites, and many neighbors have added carriage or lane houses, all with little to no complaints from the neighbor from their neighbors, myself included. Speaking for myself, and I believe as well for many of my neighbors, who you will see here. We like seeing the increase in density and especially the young families it is bringing into our neighborhood. On the main traffic corridors, we are seeing multi-unit developments proposed and constructed, again with the support of much of the community. However, to be clear, this increased density is causing some problems, especially in regards to traffic and congestion from the stampede, which will only increase once the new event center is complete. With the closing of the 8th Street intersection into Inglewood and an increase in freight train traffic on 12th Street, it often becomes a parking lot in Ramsey. It just backs up and there's no way out of our neighborhood. Aside from the headache of increased traffic, this causes a lot of worry with our neighbors that emergency vehicles will be unable to access Ramsey if required. We're already working with the city as a small community to try to address these challenges as much as possible given the hundred year old infrastructure. However, for this and many other reasons, this request for what is described by the developer as a minor amendment to the Ramsey Area Redevelopment Plan is to many of us a watershed moment. Hence, we're here. The current development proposal is to go on a single 50-foot lot from one bungalow to an eight-suite multiplex with two main buildings plus garages where most of the lot is covered by development, and with the development starting at the front edge of the lot. As you can see from the developers' plans, which were included in Art Metsui's comments, and I know Art is here, so he's probably going to put it up for you. It simply does not fit with the character of the neighborhood and certainly does not belong mid-lot or mid-block on this street. It goes like right up to the front, and all of the other houses are set back. It's gonna look weird. My husband and I, and as you will have seen from the other letters submitted, many of our neighbors on our street and the street behind are opposed to this proposed development and to the amendment of the Ramsey Area Redevelopment Plan. I should point out as well that I only know about the proposed amendment because I read about it in a neighborhood Facebook group. I'm not sure how many of our other neighbors are unaware, but I suspect there's a great many, given the timing and the very limited circulation of the letter from the developer. In fact, I've only I only know because one person posted that letter on site. I don't I know of one other person who's received it, and that's it. The Ramsey ARP was designed specifically to set out where multi-unit development would be allowed on the main traffic corridors and where it would not on most of the back streets. That's typical in what expect one expects to see in a modern, well thought out city. Putting a multi unit development such as what is proposed on this lot, on this street, would, in my opinion, simply be poor city planning. It is favoring density above all other things and saying the wishes of the community are simply unimportant. Something I dare say we've seen too much of in the past four years, and which I and my neighbors are hoping is going to become a thing of the past with this new city council. We aren't saying no to change or to density that fits. We just want our neighborhood to continue to be vibrant and livable and not to have the character destroyed by an attitude of density at all costs. As per the letter I see Unfortunately, you're at time, but I do have a question for you from Councillor Pantasopoulos. Absolutely Thank you so much for uh why why don't you let you continue your thought there and then I can answer ask a question. So please continue your thought uh just in close. I was just about I was just going to quickly list the issues that we've got. I mean there's the major traffic issues I've mentioned, there's the parking. I mean, there we're talking about eight suites with I think I counted it, and it was something like 28 bedrooms, and they're putting in four undersized parking garages, and there's the ability to park two cars in front without. Overflowing into the neighbors. So major problem. Eight suites, you're talking about 24 green, black, and blue bins. How are where are those going? This is a you've got a hundred year old laneways. So they're, I think somebody was saying they're something like 12 feet across. You can't pass. I don't know how you possibly accommodate all of this. You've got the shading and privacy issues. You when you put in a building in the middle of what is yard for everybody else. It's a problem. We've got water infrastructure issues. Our street has mainly got clay pipe. We have the city come out once a year to make to make sure that we're not having a problem at our house. And we have water trucks on our street all the time because people are having issues. Clearly a timely issue in Calgary. And there's then there's the insufficient tree canopy in green space. We're taking out mature trees, covering a lot. And there's just, you know, we've got a climate change emergency. And yet, at the same time, we're saying, well, development is all we care about. We need to put people in, and there's no green space, but oh well. For all of the above reasons, and to avoid setting a precedent which would severely negatively impact our current historic thriving community, I implore you not to approve this. Thanks so much for that. My question comes down to the neighborhood change. So this area. The interstructure plan was approved in 1994, and and that idea makes sense. And as as my colleague, Councillor McLean, said things change, move on, and and a hundred meters away, that's my math. There's gonna be a future Green Line station. And and that's gonna be a corridor to downtown. It changes everything. And I and I recognize when it was contemplated in 1994, a green line did not even exist, let alone a blue or out to my neighborhood. You heard me speak earlier about, you know, where development where it development makes sense, and I think you have heard that you say that as well, just no density anywhere. But we've got a future green line, it it you know, people that will be able to hop on a train and go to work and social. So so how should we think about that? What do do you suggest that the area should remain undeveloped in its pristine shape from from the 100 years ago or with the green line but literally there? How should we think about that when the next application comes and the next and the next and the next? And what would you like to see? Well we have we ha we have applications coming by all the time and but most of them are on the traffic corridors where they typically are allowed. This is again on a st on a street that's a block back. And when we talk about the green line, the fact is the green line. So, first of all, that's a proposed station. We're still talking to the city about it. There's been all sorts of problems with that. Originally, the Green Line space station was supposed to be on the other side of 11th Street. Then the city said, Well, we can't put it there. We'll put it like halfway across 11th Street. And then they said, Well, that's too expensive. So now we're going to move it into Ramsey. And but don't worry about it. We're going to have it face onto 11th Street because we understand that you can't handle any more traffic. And when they last went to, when they last had Green Line meetings, they in our community and we went and looked at the pictures of the stations. They showed pictures of all of the stations along the lines and how people were getting in and out, how buses were getting in and out. And then you got to that one, and it was this weird blank situation. And I at the time I asked, I spoke to somebody who is in traffic and infrastructure and said, What's going on here? And he said, I honestly don't know. They haven't asked us to even draw this out. He said, I don't know how it's gonna work. I don't know if you're if you know anything about 11th Street, but you go up 11th Street and there is a train. That runs right across there. So it backs up. We have a major problem. It's really, you can't run buses up there. I'm not sure how they're doing it. Honestly, I have said this in the past, and the Green Line people just go like this and don't want to listen to you, but I don't think a station belongs there. We have another one a few blocks further at the crossroads. And honestly, that one makes sense because you can actually get traffic in and out. I was gonna ask so to your colleagues there, let's just say that the Green Line did move. Um, your expectation would be that those individuals close to a Green Line station would be Not maybe required, but it makes a lot of sense to have density there so that you can hop on the train, etc. Um even if they had similar concerns. Just just your your thoughts on there. How do you I mean there there is like to be clear Ramsey and Inglewood we do have a lot of density coming in and we aren't we haven't been opposed to that there is a proposal not very far from where I live right now that close to where Reds is where they're talking about putting row houses along Spiller and people have said let's just originally they wanted to go to five stories and people said well that's too much so now they're talking about going to three stories again there's support for that but once when you say well if you can run it there then why not keep going back and where we have you know houses and bigger lots let's just start willy nilly dropping these things in The communities get upset. We have this, you know, we we've certainly heard a lot about it in Windsor Park. Ramsey's just a tiny microcosm of that, where when you start dropping them in, they don't look right, they don't feel right, they change your community. And we We we're not opposed to development. You can put like current, you know, you could put two infels there with two units in the bay in the basements. You can put carriage houses in, and you're talking eight units or five units. And now they're wanting to say, well, let's put them in the middle too. Let's just keep covering the lots. And that is the point at which you know the neighborhood is going, this doesn't make sense. You're not listening to us. This is overdevelopment. Okay? Thanks so much for your time. Really appreciate you coming downtown too. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We will move down to through the registered speakers list. Do we have uh Brian DeBeck with us? Thanks for your patience with us, Brian. Yeah. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Brian De Boak. I've lived in Ramsey since 1976 and would like to address some concerns on the proposed development. I did submit comments to the city. I wonder if they could be put up on the screen. Yes, good. So the LOC describes this as a minor policy amendment to allow basically an eightplex where there was formerly a single family house. And it's described as a minor amendment. I don't consider this a minor amendment. I don't consider an eight plex to be a townhouse. It's basically an apartment building. And it has no place in the proposed location. I think we've already expressed some concerns about removing mature trees. The postcard that the developer distributed to nearby residents states that we should be welcoming eight new families to the proposed development. So it shows that they have little concern for the existing character of the neighborhood. Privacy will be an issue, and as previously mentioned, parking will be a huge issue. If there's that much Density in a single lot, it's going to mean parking will encroach on the neighbors. I guess I could go to the next page. Yes, there. That shows the proposed location. There are some concerns with the plans that have been submitted by the developer, in that the proposed development is three meters back. To the first building from the sidewalk, whereas the existing buildings are approximately twice as far back. So it means it's going to stand out very visually. Also, the proposed grade elevation for the building is the same as back a sidewalk. And as you can see from the photo, there's approximately a one meter elevation difference between the street sidewalk and the Existing yard elevations. So it means that with the retaining wall on either side, this development will appear to be in a trench. Also, the second large building has no front street access, which will be a big safety issue in the event of a fire or other emergency. Also, they show. On-site storage for disposal shows three black, three blue, and two green carts. And as previously mentioned, there is a potential for up to 24 disposal carts, which there's no storage on site. It will create huge issues for pickup. And I guess in closing, there is presently a strong sense of community in the area with. Most residents owning their properties. Proposed development will not be attractive to property owners and will most likely be rented by a developer or sold as an investment property. Renters will be more transient and have no interest in maintaining the character of the neighborhood. Respectfully submitted. Thank you so much for being here with us, sir. Are there any questions for Mr. DeBeck? Seeing none, we will move through the uh speakers list. Uh do we have Adele Sanoy with us? Okay, just uh want to let you know, uh Adele Sanoy, I live in Ramsey, been there twenty-four years. Just want to let you know that um Ramsey does have a lot of density. You see single family homes, but a lot of them, they're very old homes, actually have secondary suites. They might they might be grandfathered in or whatnot, but they actually a lot of them do. And you'll see big, big houses, old houses, and go, wow, that's a big old house, but it has six suites in it. So that's very common in our neighborhood. Um There was no back lane photo provided by the by the applicant, no street view. And the street view on there is going to be atrocious with the with the uh setback issues that we just heard described. The other houses on the street are setway back. Some of them are at the end of the block are different because they are very old and there used to be a historical reason for or whatever for putting um what do you call it? Like Balcony, not balconies, but porches, the front porch porch things, and those are lovely. And ours, for example, is only six feet from the front sidewalk. But they all are in that area, right? So, but they're on the north side where this house is, it's they're quite set back, and so it's gonna be stark. There's a lady next door, an elderly lady who has a huge garden, and she will not no longer have a garden. She'll be basically living in a canyon because this is her south light. And she is a very elderly lady, big a Ukrainian lady who has her whole backyard is garden. This is gonna destroy that. This will destroy her food supply. Back to my pictures. This house does that automatically adjust? Okay, so this house right here, a 1905 build, it's 120, the screens aren't on. It's 100 and 116 years old. It has this apparently here, this stone fence. I was told by an elderly neighbor 20 years ago that that was built by prison gangs. Those those pipes in the in the front between the pillars were where they tied up the horses. Um and this actually has a full concrete basement. And we think it's because the longest owning uh or before before my husband, the longest owning uh owner of that, his name was Craig was his last name. And uh his daughter married the son of this house right here. This is the uh Jeffrey's house, and Jeffries are the family they were, they owned the um uh gravel pits and and uh In in I think it was just off Inglewood, I don't know exactly, but they donated the Inglewood uh property, the Ingwood Bird Sanctuary property, and they never named the city chose not to name the Inglewood Bird Sanctuary after the Jeffries because Colonel McLeod's house is there, and apparently he's quite important and they're not so important. It was not until the Jeffrey's son, the last son, was in his 90s, that they decided to have a ceremony and they carried, they named the slough after the family. So the it's called Jeffrey's Pond, and that's in that's in Inglewood Bird Sanctuary. So they got the slough. So if we ever get, if we ever get the if it does happen that we get that train station, please call it Jeffries Park Station, because the park across the road is called Jeffreys Park. And there's been attempts to develop it until they realized that it was on the historic inventory, this park right here, and it was maintained by the Jeffries family as a skating rink for for many years because every house in the neighborhood had six or eight or more kids in it. And so they had a skating rink. And with their own time and effort and machinery, they built a skating rink in that park. So please, we've asked for it to be signed, but the city tells us raise $1,200, and then we'll put a sign there at that historic park. And there they want to chew it up for the Green Line Station, as you as you heard. So hopefully that doesn't happen. This house is next door. The concrete basement here, this house has actually a dugout basement, and it's a few years younger than this 1905 build here. So we think that's because of the relationship between the daughter marrying the son of the Jeffries family, who had concrete and and gravel pit business, but we're not sure. Up the street. This house right here bought by the uh father of the current owner who was uh I believe he worked for CP, but uh the current owner still he as far as I know he's never moved from that house and now he's an older man and his brother has moved in there too. So he and his brother still lived there. When they bought that house, his dad didn't understand mortgages, and his father uh got paid for the house, thought he was done paying for it, and then got another bill and was like, what the heck? And his his son, who is going to school and really good at math, told him about mortgages, so he realized he had to keep paying after that. This house next door, it they wanted to tear it down and rebuild, but uh they realized that they wouldn't have to be able to use the same location, they'd have to set it over a foot because a hundred and some years ago the city put a um surveying establishing point for the whole neighborhood. Sanoy, you're you're unfortunately you're at time. I am. Hey? Okay. I wanted to show you the the alleyway, the twelve foot alleyway and the one on uh uh by the black and white. Oh so this is the one from black and white, and that's twelve foot. And I've got Unfortunately, you're at time, and I just have to enforce the rules fairly for everybody. too much storytelling. Are there any council members who may have questions for Ms. Sanoy? Councillor Shabot? Uh yeah, Ms. Savoy, would you mind showing us that 12 foot alley? Yes. So this is I'll show you the one out behind our house. Or sorry, behind in that in that in that alleyway. So this is that one. This this property right here where this uh wood fence is, that's the back of the of the property in we're talking about. And this is a very narrow alleyway alleyway. And down halfway, about halfway down the alleyway, there was a fire, the garage fire a few years ago, and the emergency vehicles could barely get in there. And when they actually left, um they had to back out because they couldn't get out the front way because the streets are too narrow. Not just the alleyways, or street, I think they had to do a 20 point turn to get in there for the fire. Pole that I see there. Is that Sorry? is that an electrical pole I see right in the Yes, that's an electrical pole. The electropol poles are down there. There's only like 12 feet there. It's really, really narrow. The the black and white one, it it's an atrocious build too. There's they tried to rent that property for each of those units. On the black and white, there's 11 units there. Oh, sorry, that's the wrong picture. But they tried to rent those units for $4,600 and they've had to uh cut back on how much rent they wanted. But those tall buildings, same sort of design, those tall buildings are are um overlooking these houses on this side on 17th Avenue face the avenue. And this house faces the street. And then they have um 11 units, and they're very, very tall, and they look into the backyards of the houses that face the avenue. So that's really unfair to those people and nobody listened when they because we gotta have density, but how much how good is uh low income housing and density at forty six hundred dollars a month? And I think I've I heard rumor that they were going to Airbnb, but I have not confirmed that. uh was there any other slides you wanted to share with us that didn't give a chance to Yes, so this is at the end of the street. This house is directly across the alley from where um from where the new development is. And this is also another very senior lady who lives here, and her whole yard is her whole backyard is is garden as well. And like I said, that 12-foot halley, that's or 12, it's going to be a problem. This this lot right here is actually owned by you, um, by the city. They bought this to make way for the green line when when one of the versions of the green line, and because of that establishing surveying establishing mark I I told you about, this this fence appears to be your property, city property, and it's falling down. And so it would be wonderful for granny who lives there if they would, if they would, if the city would rebuild their fence there, because it's literally rotting and falling down. But we're pretty sure because of that establishing line, that incorrect established point, it was a foot off, right? And that was over a hundred years ago. And um almost all of the neighbor the houses in this whole section where the city made that surveying error, are are we own our north fence, but not our, or sorry, we own our south, however. This one's yours. We own one of our fences and the other one's on their their property, on uh the owner's property. And some of us are our houses actually go up to that right to that property line. And so it's actually a s can be a problem for development or redevelopment or. think you raised some interesting questions that uh have to address with administration. Okay. All my questions. Thank you. Okay. Just don't come for my friends. Thank you, Councillor Shabot. Councillor Kelly. Thank you, your worship. Uh huge thank you for the history. Like I really appreciate it. I honestly I wish that every public hearing applicant or or or or speaker brought forward uh uh some element of history related to it because uh it is great to be able to see uh how much history is in this neighborhood and how that may impact our decision in front of us today. So my my question is uh the lot that's in front of us today that we're talking about, 1103 9th Street Southeast, are you aware of any historical uh uh anything of of note on that particular property? I'm not. I am aware that some of the houses, like I think it's a is it a 1950s build? I'm not exactly sure, but some of those were moved from Eau Claire to our neighborhood when Eaure was redeveloped and they moved all the houses off of their or door tore them down. So for Eau Claire development, some of those were actually moved into Ramsey and are still there. Yeah. Thank you. And maybe I'll just use this as a short opportunity just to say a reminder in terms of the Calgary's Historic Asset Register is a owner-driven process. So for anybody in this particular neighborhood or any other neighborhood whereby uh you're looking to have your uh your home preserved, highly recommend. Great example, and you brought up on the screen, highly recommend that uh uh you have a conversation with those neighbors, let them know the process because they're the only ones who can add something to the historical register. It's their property, and uh if they'd like it preserved, we'd absolutely love to help them with that process uh through Heritage Calgary. So thank you. This one is actually the oldest house on the Calgary um for for working class homes on the Calgary Historic Inventory, yeah. Thank you, Councillor Kelly. Any other questions for the speaker? Seeing none, we'll move through our speaker's list. Do we have Art Matsui with us? I I I have some slides if you could put them up. The first slide. Yes, thank you. If you could zoom it in a a little bit, that would be nice. Zoom in on which uh portion? Um the development. There's a a picture of the development. Uh And just to clarify what we're looking at, we're looking Just a vertical view of the lot. no, this is this is from the plans that they Okay. um submitted for their DP. This is, you know, we're not talking about uh a land use change, you know, before DP. This is a land use change because of DP. So and This is the second iteration of their DP. I'll get into that in a bit. So my name is Art Matsui. I'm a resident of Ramsey in Ward 9. If this council is serious about repealing blanket rezoning, they will vote against LOC 2025 0177 policy amendment to the Ramsey ARP to allow for a multifamily development which will enable DP 2025 02899 to go ahead. DPs like this are the worst consequence of the previous council's implementation of blanket rezoning. This is it. A DP for which planning admits is the biggest nightmare from the failed blanket rezoning. Two duplexes stack back to back with secondary suites, mid block on a single lot. An eightplex on a single residential lot with two double garages on the alley. Could I have slide two, please? Oh, back one. Yeah, there we go. Eight residents with four parking spots? Maybe. How do two units share two double garages? See the east elevation? Which brings the questions that everybody complained about during blanket rezoning. Where do the cars from eight units park? Where do 24 waste and recycling bins go? What happens on garbage day in the alley? What happens to my garden when there's a duplex to the south of me where my garden is? Could you go back to slide one, please? Can the utilities in my aging neighborhood handle the increase of 8 to 10 units on single lots? This is a question the expert panel brought up in the BPSFM failure report. Now, for local context, from me, a neighbor who has lived down the alley for the past 33 years. Ramsey is a historic neighborhood, the original suburb to Inklewoods downtown. Our house is 120 years old. Our wastewater runs through Bellant Spigot Clay Pipe. On my street, the street behind, 10th Street, after decades of sewage backups, the city came up with a solution to spray line the clay pipe. There is now a decrease in capacity for wastewater. Our water is fed by three quarter inch pipe. The house directly to the east still has lead service, and the city will not replace their side of the service unless the 95 year old senior comes up with $15,000 to replace her side of the service. Our electricity is serviced by overhead lines in the alley, and my house started out with 65 amps surface. To the north of the Aplex is Granny, in a small bungalow who still gardens with a huge vegetable garden, which she plants with garlic, onions, and potatoes every year for as long as I can remember. Could you go to slide three, please? Now shading her southern sun from her garden will be a 10 meter wall, stealing one of her remaining joys. The north elevation is what you'll see. Fortunately for Granny, the city has a program for seniors to age in place, and the city clears her snow, cuts her grass, and built her new fence. To the east of the 8plex is a 95 year old senior who also has a huge vegetable garden but will soon have a lot filling complex stealing her western son. Unfortunately, both ladies will not be here for much longer. But the legacy of this 8-plex will remain. Slide one, please. Even though blanket rezoning will probably be repealed next March, we on this block will have the precedent of mid block 8plexes or five townhouse units with secondary suites, as was originally planned in the CP. So when these ladies move on, their adjacent lots will be sold, and developers can easily argue for similar developments. I call this block busting. Others call it zoning by creep. Please vote no for LOC 2025-0177, policy amendment to the Ramsey ARP to allow for a multifamily development, which will allow the failed blanket rezoning to live on in Ramsey forever. Thank you. Thank you. Any qua questions from members of council for Mr. Matsui? Seeing none, thank you for being with us. Do we have Aaron Luca with us? Thanks so much for your patience. Hello, Marin Council. My name's Erin Luca, and I appreciate the opportunity to speak in opposition to item 7.2.8. I don't know how much I can add to what my neighbors have already offered you. So forgive me for reiterating some of those points. To start things off, I want to acknowledge the broader goals behind this proposal. And I understand the increasing that increasing housing supply and exploring additional density opportunities are important considerations for growing and developing cities, particularly in inner city neighborhoods like ours. That said, I and my neighbors and my family all have several concerns about this specific proposal and its suitability for our neighborhood and for the location. The lot in question is a mid-block site that currently contains a single-family detached home. The proposed redevelopment would introduce four primary suites, each with a secondary suite, resulting in eight new dwelling units on a mid-sized block. That represents a substantial increase in density that is not consistent with the established character of the surrounding neighborhood. Despite what has been said in terms of there being a, I think it said a 40% multifamily dwelling, it is hard to imagine that when you actually walk through my neighborhood because the vast majority of the homes in the neighborhood, at least on the surface, appear to be single family dwellings. On that note, there are the occasional duplex, of course. But it's also worth noting that the east side of 9th Street, where this house is located, I believe, is comprised entirely of single family homes. That consistency has fostered a strong sense of community where neighbors know each other, we get together, we talk to each other, families stay long term. As you've heard, there are many of us that have lived in the neighborhood for decades. We have a common respect for each other, for the community, and for our shared spaces. A development of this intensity risks an abrupt disruption to that community fabric. And aside from the extreme increase in the streets density, the positioning of the buildings as they relate to the street streetscape leaves no room, really, for a front yard, meaning that these proposed eight new families will have little, if any, motivation or opportunity to interact with the rest of the community. From a design perspective, the sighting places a structure very close to the sidewalk, which is out of keeping with the existing setbacks on the block. And that change will alter the look and feel of the street and create a visual break from the surrounding homes. Parking, as has been mentioned, is another key issue. I won't waste your time in getting into it, but eight with only four carpet garages is a huge concern, particularly on a street that actually has issues during, you know, flames games. In an attempt to maximize the use of the land, the developer has chosen to include three buildings in the design, pushing the garage back as far as possible in tight proximity to garages directly across the alley, which raises practical concerns that have already been mentioned. And finally, there is the question of infrastructure, as we are all currently aware of. Our neighborhood relies on aging water, sewer, and utility systems that were designed to serve low-density residential use. A significant increase in density of this nature, without upgrades to accommodate, may place additional strain on these systems. In closing, while I support the idea of increased densification, I struggle to see how this mid-block development is a good choice for our neighborhood. I sincerely hope that you will vote in opposition. Thank you so much, Ms. Luca. Are there any questions from council members? Seeing none, thanks for being here with us. We are still on 7.2.8 uh Ramsey during the public hearing. Is there any other people in the audience who would like to speak to this item? Anyone on the line who would like to speak to it? All right. Hearing none, going once, going twice, we will close our public hearing. Uh Council, can I have your uh universal consent to Conclude with this item. Alright, seeing no opposition, we will conclude with this item and then go to our break. Alright, uh Councillor Kelly for admin. for your worship. Um Admin, we we've seen uh I think by my count, this is about the third or fourth one of these that we've seen in in uh Ramsey and or Inglewood uh changes to the ARP since we've started as as a new council. Uh I don't think I can let it go by without asking the same question that I ask every single time we do this, which is do we have an ETA for when there will be an LAP for this particular area? And yes, I'm speaking in code, apparently. We will have some forthcoming announcements about the next tranche of local area plans that will be coming forward. So council should look forward to having meetings with administration over the next week or so, and you should hear about this by the next public hearing. Thank you very much, because I think that uh the the fact that we are asking applicants and uh neighbors to come every single time to uh on in these areas that have older area redevelopment plans, uh asking them to come and sort of defend what's you know uh what's gonna like This can all be solved simply by having a local area plan conversation as a community because uh at that point we can have everyone involved in the conversation and not just the people who are most affected on on one particular site. We can facilitate a larger conversation. So um thank you very much. Shidmin. Thank you, Councillor. Over to Councillor Clark. Thank you. I guess I gotta be a bit quicker next time because I actually wanted to ask the same thing. As we've seen now, council colleagues, uh many of my communities are living with 30, uh, 30 year old ARPs, and uh they have to come and sort of defend themselves every single time for every single development. And frankly, it's not really fair to either party. Um, you know. Everybody involved in this situation is is left uh to sort of fend for themselves, and and that's really disappointing. So I'm glad to hear that we've got something coming perhaps by next. Do you mind just repeating that, please? We can't commit to anything right now, but we will be making announcements in the next month or so about where the next local area plans will be. Okay, that's great. And typically, so Ramsey is set alone in its ARP, is that correct? And not connected to Inglewood. Uh that would be part of what we would announce later is groupings of communities. We our preference would be to do groupings of communities at the same time. That gives us a bigger picture of the infrastructure issues and of uh more regional level issues that can be solved with planning, as well as focusing on the local issues. Very good. Thanks so much. Thank you. Anyone else for admin? Okay, seeing none, I'm uh gonna look to you, Councillor Clark. Yeah, thank you. Um this is a uh sort of a consistency, this is a familiar scenario where we've got community coming forward, uh well organized, uh, to communicate their concerns about uh a major change in their community. And nobody involved seems to have the tools, like I say, to support themselves. So I campaigned on supporting and sort of protecting the integrity of these communities as we discern what the next steps are for Ward 9, or these historic neighborhoods, and density and development in general. As each and every one of these folks has said, and I've heard said on the doors countless times again, these are not communities against densification. They'd like to be participants in developing what that looks like for them. And perhaps in a month or so we'll have the chance to include them in that work. So that's very exciting. I suppose this is just my open sh. I'll save the rest for close. So you're you're moving it to put on the the table. Okay, yes, yes, moving. So move by Councillor Clark, seconded by uh Councillor Schmidt. So it is on the floor. Any further debate on this? Councillor Kelly. Yeah, I just want to reiterate what I had said earlier this morning to the same thing. This is another one of those cases where we have an area redevelopment plan that does not match uh uh our land use. Uh and so again, counsel, uh as we uh finish our public hearing on blanket rezoning and as we finish our uh uh the changes to the zoning bylaw that'll be coming to us. Once we have that done, we have to fix this. We have to align all of those documents so that they actually match so that we can stop going through this process over and over again. LAPs, zoning bylaws, they should match. Makes sense. Let's get it done uh in short order here as a council so we don't pass the buck to the next one to have to deal with this. Thank you. All right, Councillor Schmidt. Uh recognizing the concerns we heard today, um I think it's important that we also look into the fact that this went through the Calgary Planning Commission. Was deemed to be appropriate. We've had several amendments to this ARP already, which is originally from 1994. It's safe to say Calgary in 1994 is different than Calgary in 2026. We have a housing crisis that continues to need to be addressed. And although this isn't affordable housing, this is housing that takes us closer to affordability across the entire city. What I'd like to keep in mind is that we are partially in this situation because. We pushed off making these kinds of changes for so many years and have pushed development further and further out from our core, which is harder for us to manage. Ultimately, these are homes for people. I want to note as well, which is something that I will continue to emphasize in the future, is that denying something when we hear comments about The fear that renters will move in. I don't think it's appropriate for us as a council to make the consideration that renters also don't deserve a place to live. I was a renter until three and a half years ago. I'm now sitting here in council. Members of my staff are renters, and renters are people who need a place to live. They don't deteriorate the communities around them, they're members of our community. I have an entire part of my ward that is made up almost entirely of renters, and certainly that part of my ward is not suffering because of that. It's flourishing because of that. So renters should never be villainized for who they are. And I would hope that in future public hearings that we do not hear renters as a reason to not approve something. So I I'm going to support this today because it aligns with where Calgary is now and it's a place that will provide homes for more people. So thank you. Thank you. Any other debate, Councillor Atkinson? Uh yeah, I I'm going to support this. I totally recognize the need for more LAPs. Uh I recognize the time that we're in with blanket rezoning. Um but Those things actually are not necessarily going to lead to less of this, right? We can have all the LAPs we want. If we repeal blanket rezoning, we just do this for anything that requires an RCG allocation. All this is is an alignment of the policy, like an ARP, that it has not been revisited, but with, you know, it has been revisited in the way of RCG zoning being applied on the whole. So this is a small thing, but I think that we as council need to recognize that we have to be able to also make the decisions in areas that do not have area redevelopment plans in the meantime, because all we will then do is stall out any efforts to actually bring local area plants to the areas that need them. So yeah, I will be voting for this today. I also appreciate some of the design considerations in terms of uh privacy. The um there it's it's interesting. We We get a weird balance here where when the the development um application coincides with the land use, we get more information and then we pick at it in different ways. And so it's I'm not sure. I'm not sure what is better. We need that's another thing that I think we need to think about. Is like we could also just draw a block uh with the height and the you know the door on the front and and call it a day. Do we is that the level of information that we need to be held to in order to make the decision on the right sort of side of things? Whereas now when we're provided with more information, we're shown windows that have sort of privacy adjustments on the sides and these kinds of things to have clear story windows. Um I don't know. I don't know. I these are questions I'm I'm posing that I think I would like to have conversations with all of you about, but we're gonna have many of these conversations coming up, and I uh the idea of LAPs coming in uh is not necessarily going to shorten, I think, these conversations uh the way I see things going. Anyways, to this I will be supporting. Thank you. All right. No more lights. Over to Councillor Clark to close. Thank you very much, Chair. I will just echo Councillor Schmidt's point about renters. I think that's really valuable. And just an important point to make that every one of our communities, including these historic ones, have been home to renters for since they essentially became communities. But that aside, I think um fundamentally, you know, Board Nine seems to have the emotional ones. The emotional. And uh, you know Nobody involved seems to have the tools they need to funct to do this properly. And so I just want to apologize to our developer here and to those that came to oppose this for that because to have policy so out of date to not support you is just in my eyes something we really do have to deal with immediately. So I also wanted to make sure that it was in public record. I've had an extensive uh back and forth. I've been invited in with the community association president. Uh Mr. Delamont and so just for public record, I'd like to read just a couple of sentences that he'd put in uh and emailed to me. We wanted to make sure that our Ramsey neighbors knew we are here, know rather, that we are here, that we hear their concerns, and that we are listening and doing what we can to advocate for the community. I just wish we had a stronger foundation of a development plan and approach to stand on. But it seems like that will come in the months ahead, I sure hope. I will not be supporting this. Uh sort of a first time a plex mid block in a community like this, uh, without, again, the foundational tools in place to set an appropriate boundary and tone. Uh, I just do not feel it's it's the appropriate thing for me to vote for, so I will not be supporting that. Uh closed. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Madam Clerk, let's please engage the vote. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. No. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, all the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. On the uh Ward 9 Ramsey item, the uh motion has been defeated 4 to 11, uh, with only uh Councillor Schmidt, Kelly, Dollywall, and Atkinson in favor. It's 325. We'll be back in half an hour. 355. Welcome back to the January 20, 2026 public hearing of Calgary City Council. Madam Clerk, please call the roll. Thank you, Mayor. On the roll, Councillor Chabot. President. Councillor Clark. Present. Councillor Dolly Wall. Councillor Jameson. Present. Councillor Johnston. Councillor Johnston. Yes, sorry. Councillor Kelly. Present. Councillor McLean. Here. Councillor Pantozopoulos, Present. Councillor Schmidt, Councillor Tyres, Councillor Ward, Councillor Wyness, Councillor Ewell, Here. Councillor Atkinson, Here. and Mayor Farkas. I'm here. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Mr. Pomeranki. I think we're still with you for 7.2.9. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. My last item today is 7.2.9, which is a land use amendment application to allow for multi residential development, approximately six stories in height. Next slide, please. The recommendation before you is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 10 D 2026 to redesignate the site located at 7220 17th Avenue Southeast to revise the floor area ratio and height modifiers listed on the site's existing multi-residential, high-density, low-rise district. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the southeast community of Applewood Park, near the interchange of 17th Avenue Southeast and Stony Trail. The site is directly north of Elliston Park, is located directly beside a Max Purple Express bus station, and is across Stony Trail from the East Hills Shopping Center. Next slide, please. The site is currently undeveloped, as shown here. Site access currently comes from 17th Ave, however, because 17th is divided as it enters the interchange to the east, future development will not be permitted to access 17th Avenue directly. Access is intended to be provided from 70th Street to the west, which would require an access easement across the neighboring parcel to the west. To the east of the site is a storm pond, which is not intended for public use. Next slide, please. Surrounding land uses consist of the transportation and utility corridor shown in purple to the east and medium density development in the form of three-story townhouses and four-story apartments shown in brown to the north. Two auto-oriented commercial uses are shown in pink just to the west. Next slide, please. This application proposes to maintain the site's existing MH1 designation, which is intended to support relatively tall, higher density multi residential development. This proposal would change the district's modifiers to allow for a maximum floor area ratio of 2.5, which is an increase from the current FAR of 1.8. It would also allow for a maximum height of 22 meters, which is a two meter increase from what is currently allowed. The uses, building form, height, and density all align with the rules of the East Calgary International Avenue Community's local area plan, and the site is within the core zone for the transit area around the 70th Street MAX bus station. Next slide, please. In closing, this application would allow for the continued development of multi residential housing in an appropriate location. Calgary Planning Commission supports the proposal and recommends Council's approval. Thank you. Thank you. We will move to the public hearing for 7.2.9 for Applewood Park. Do we have the applicant with us? Thank you, Honorable Mayor Farkas and Councillors, for allowing us to present the proposed multi-residential project at 7220 17th Avenue, Southeast. If we could just bring up our presentation with the slides. Thank you. I am Tyler Sang, PMN Associate, and this is Stephen Bartok, Principal of Keystone Architecture. I'll present the first half and Stephen will present the latter half. No PeerCon Group, our project manager, is also in attendance and has helped to facilitate and guide the project to date. Next slide, please. The project is located in the neighborhood of Applewood Park at the east edge edge of the city, near the intersection of Stoney Trail and 17th Avenue Southeast. Immediately surrounding the site are existing multifamily dwellings ranging from four story apartments to townhouses and a small commercial site to the west. This site, along with its immediate neighbor to the west, are the last two sites to be developed and bring needed housing options to the neighborhood and city. Note to the proximity to East Hills commercial retail shopping to the east across Stony Trail. Next slide, please. The development is a six-story wood frame multi-residential building atop one layer of concrete underground parking. There is also a total of 203 rental units with a broad mix of one, two, and three bed units to accommodate a variety of families. The project has gone through land use redesignation, community outreach, and is currently under DP review. And as noted previously, has an increase of FAR from 1.8 to 2.5 for much needed housing. Next slide, please. The site relies on mutual access agreements from sites directly to the west and north. Primary vehicular access is from the northwest, while there is a breezeway to the south, which doubles as a secondary emergency fire route, and everyday amenity as a large pedestrian sidewalk connection to the three meter regional pathway along 17th Avenue Southeast. Next slide, please. As you enter the northwest, at the northwest corner, the ramp to the parquade resides straight ahead. There are 14 surface visitor parking stalls and in-ground mollusks bins for waste and recycling. The courtyard is delineated with raised planters filled with planting for a welcoming feel, and the main entry is inviting, a double story volume on the east wing. This main floor plan shows tidy, livable unit layouts with large units at corners and spacious patios at grade throughout. Next slide, please. Some items of note on the typical floor plans include that the second floor is separated by the two-story breezeway, hence there are two sets of exit stairs. You'll see in the renderings later efforts are made to make these stairs more transparent so the main connecting path is well lit. Like the main floor, large units are at the corners, and large spacious balconies provide views throughout. Next slide, please. There's one story, one level of underground parkade where 161 vehicles can reside and 208 bike stalls for residents. And now I'll hand off to Stephen to present the architecture of the elevations. Next slide, please. Oh, Steve Ibartok, Keystone Architecture. I'll try not to reiterate too much in terms of what planning and what Tyler's iterated, but more talk about the arc uh the architecture so we can see more than just plans. So the intent of the massing of this building is to uh sort of face it onto 17th to create an urban edge, not to the north, so that we're not going to be shadowing or impeding view on any of the neighbors to the east or to the north. As well as you can see the two-story breezeway facing south allows light and access and amenity sort of for the people to use off the street and to penetrate through when it's not being used, which is very seldomly for fire trucks. So here you can see the south elevation in terms of the breaking up, I won't use massing instead of articulation of the overall size of a building in the neighborhood so that it feels more of its place and uses some colors and tones that are further to the east, primarily of brick, uh cementitious panel, and glass. So on this elevation, you can see the bookends on both sides to try to sort of frame in the building as well as sort of a central feature to centralize the building itself. Next slide, please. This is sort of a worm's eye view of you can start to see into that amenity space at ground space at ground level, as well as how the building feels up above so it doesn't sort of overpower you overpower you with how much verticality is in this building design. If we flip to the next slide. This is the interior courtyard view looking back from the north to the south. So you can see on the right side the two-story penetration, so allows light and access. And then to the left side, you can see a two-story volume of glass, which is the primary entry that we worked on with planning. And then you can see the parquet entry to the bottom left as well. So you can see how the architecture travels all the way around the building itself and doesn't sort of lose some of the intent on the interior facing elevations. So thank you very much for your time, and we're here for any questions. Thank you. Any questions for the applicant? Councillor Shabot? Uh yes, thank you for being here and for your presentation. You made reference to um uh improving the uh pedestrian connectivity, um, Applewood Park specifically on the northeast corner of this site. There's the the pathway. along Stony that comes to a dead end. You've got that chain link fence there. It's the intent to connect into that and to go in and through your site. Not currently, not at the northeast corner, but we connect along at the at the southeast corner along the three-meter regional pathway. Connect to one. Flip back to our site plan. You can see how we've been Just to your site plan. Yes, yes. Because there is maybe I'll ask my own transportation department because uh Applewood Park has a pathway that runs along Stony and it terminates just on the northeast corner of this site, just kind of up that embankment. There's a slight um elevation change there, and it would be nice if we could create that connectivity to that somehow through this development. Um, so again, I'll ask the Transportation Department about that. Um, the 70th Street specifically is quite congested, and I'm happy to hear that you've got some sort of an agreement now with your adjacent neighbors with regards to site access because that was always the issue on the site. So this is a long term agreement, I assume, with both your adjacent neighbors, right? North and West. Correct. Yeah, because that was always part of the challenge with developing this site. Is that changed as we move forward as well. okay? And it's not just that, because 70th Street and and we have in our package a submission from an adjacent neighbor concerned about that interface there, specifically at 70th Street, and how it's going to access your site. And have you entered into any kind of discussions as to how that will be mitigated? Because it's already congested there. Yeah, so we have a traffic engineer on board and they've done terms of reference with with mobility and there's been some off site elements within this application that address that. Okay, good. All right. Um, yeah, no, I'm happy to see this site getting developed or even proposed to be developed because it's been sitting vacant for a long time. And there's not necessarily the best activities that's going on on that site. So it would be nice to see something happen there so that we don't have any of this negative um uses uh continue on on that site. So no further questions for me. Thank you very much. Thank you for being here. Thank you for your questions. All right, Councillor Atkinson. Uh you you mentioned the two story breezeway as like a uh uh an element for fire. Uh could can you just speak to that a little bit more? Just uh yeah. That's right. For any uh apartment building beyond 100 units, we need to have two means of access. And so, you know, we were it was proposed to have access off of 17th Avenue, but not as a primary means of access, just secondary. So we'd have pin ballage along there. But we thought, you know, why not have it accessible by a fire truck, but also use it every day for pedestrians and create like this large visual connection as well as everyday sidewalk that links to the three meter regional pathway. Yeah. The residents kind of get a free amenity space because of a fire truck. Gotcha. So it's not going to be treated asphalt, it'll have pavers, it'll have like we sort of landscaped up to not look necessarily like a fire lane. And this is because of the limited site access, because of the single road coming in off of 70th there? You need the second way in. Yeah. Great. Cool, cool solution to the problem. Love it. Thank you. Yeah. Councillor Kelly. Thank you, Your Worship. This is I could ask the question of you, but it might be a little bit more of a question to admin. I just wanted to I wanted to chat a little bit about the interface with the property to the north. The reason why is because like maybe it's a bit of a pet peeve, whatever, whatever it is in general. Developments with like a strip of concrete curb between the two of them, and you can't get from one to the other, and it doesn't make a huge a huge amount of sense to me in terms of like it made sense on paper, but it doesn't make sense in the real world when people go back and forth. So, for example, that breezeway that you have lines up really quite nicely with by the way, apologies, I know that we're here talking about land use, but If you give us a development permit drawing, don't be surprised if we ask questions about the Broad elevation. Yeah. Um it lines up quite nicely with some of the uh some of the pedestrian infrastructure that's on the property to the north, but just looking at your elevation, like you have parking spaces across and it's a curb and there's no no intersect uh intersection there. I'm just wondering if you could like just speak a little bit to the rationale for uh having a conversation with the neighbor to the west about an easement rather than a conversation with the neighbor to the north about interface as it relates to them. Yeah, so I think the challenge of that is having those those agreements in place as we developed and move forward. It is to the west, so we're gonna come we're gonna come to the west, not to the north, from where we currently are situated in the design and how we're gonna actually come out onto those main roads rather than load into what's existing with that existing the challenge of that curve that you're talking about is there's parking there for the for the other building. So in order for us to do that, we would impede on their ability to park and live in their own building. So it's we're This design has challenges on all on all like all property lines. There's nothing kind of easy. We try to get the density that we need to make it actually buildable. So that was one of the interfaces we probably were sort of handcuffed from a constraint perspective if that answers your question. Yeah, I I I don't think it does, but it's kind of what I was expecting your answer to be. If that if that makes sense. Uh, you know, maybe I'll ask admin when we get a chance, just you know, effectively it's like how do we how do we create an extension to 16th Avenue Southeast without creating an extension to 16th Avenue Southeast? And impose that on you, you guys should extend your vote. Yeah, um Do you have a good relationship with the neighbors to the west? Like, could I basically what I'm asking is like, do you own that property as well, or does some someone else? Our our our client does, I believe, does not own that property, correct? No. I do believe there is a fairly good relationship, but don't know for sure. I'll leave it there then. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Any other questions? Seeing none, thank you so much for being with us. Anyone else wish to speak to this item 7.2.9 Topwood Park. Anyone on the line for this item? Hearing none, we will close the public hearing. Going over to you, Councillor Shabu. Thank you. Um my apologies for uh weighing in on this particular property. I am Quite familiar with with this site. I represented this area for about 12 years so. The um the question I had, so 16th Avenue, I know to the north, that road does not connect onto these sites because there's a significant grades um elevation uh variation there. So so pedest from an automobile connectivity, we know that doesn't connect, uh not to this area, but uh pedestrians as was suggested, um I I guess is there an opportunity to connect into Applewood community from this site from a pedestrian perspective? Through the chair, Tom Hopkins Development Engineering. Which exact portion were you referring to, Councillor Chabok? Because there is a pathway that connects up to uh the east west uh rotary uh greenway that hooks up into Stony Trail. Yes. Um so which portion are you looking for the connection? So are you looking at connecting into that Uh from this site? there already is a connection on the pathway to that portion, but the pathway that's uh tied to this development is along 17th Avenue that connects from 70th all the way over to uh to the interchange of Stony What connection you're talking about track. is at the top of that end of that bank, right? Because you've got a pretty steep bank going up into the Applewood community. It doesn't necessarily connect into this site though. Uh it it would from the frontage through the uh through the emergency access that the applicant was talking about previously. That's correct. See the point that I'm trying to get at is that this doesn't directly connect into that pathway you're talking about without going up that steep embankment on the backside. It could go over to the west where there's the north-south pathway that connects into uh the into the Rotary Greenway. So that connection has now been made because It would be investigated with the development permit so that we could do that, yes, as well as vehicle access. it terminated. There was a there was a chain link fence there. You couldn't actually access that pathway. Oh, are are you suggesting near the where the area of the storm pond is in the interchange? Sorry, I'm Mattery Greenway, it it terminates at that there's a chain link fence. So there's an east west um sidewalk that goes to it, but there's a chain link fence that prevents you from going from one to the next. Okay. I'm sorry, I I misunderstood what you were saying. We'd be looking to connect that, but the main fo the main focus for this development was about uh along 17th Ave to connect further east. Yeah, I know I'm aware. It's just trying to make the connection between what's on 17th and somehow wrapping it around to connect back into the Matame Greenway, is what I was looking for as potential. Through this development. We can take that back and uh take a look at it and also mention to our mobility folks as well, um, colleagues to uh look into that for you. That's awesome. Thanks. And the uh the 70th Street Interchange, as was mentioned, there's a letter in here that's concerned about the amount of additional congestion that this will create when it's already a congestion intersection. Is there alternate um sort of uh uh traffic control devices that are being contemplated for there, like maybe a roundabout or something of that nature? Through the the transportation impact assessment, we looked at the operations of the intersection, and some improvements were more about taking some parking off along 70th Avenue to allow for a little bit more room for additional vehicles to go in and out of the area. And also some potential on-site traffic control devices like signs to direct people directly there. So it's not people aren't driving all around trying to find this, find this development. So no no larger improvements, but uh smaller improvements to support this. Yeah, anyways, I it's it's sort of tied. It's not the land use obviously has to work, uh, even from a transportation perspective. I know it's not typical to go into this much depth into transportation, but it is something that I think really needs to be factored into this development permit at at some point. Uh and once we are only here to discuss land use, uh, they're inextric inextricably tied. And uh, I do see that there may need to be some improvements made there. Like I said, like I said, maybe a roundabout might be the best solution at that interchange where you've got you know the three properties kind of coming together. Um because just the Tim Hortons creates its own traffic, let alone how much traffic there is there on the adjacent developments. But anyways, just something for you to think about. Um thanks for listening to me and no further comments for me, no questions. And happy to support the recommendations when you're prepared to move it, uh, and be happy to second that and uh Encourage council to support it because this is a site that is in desperate need of something. Thank you. Over to Councillor Kelly. Uh thank you. Admin uh maybe the mobility. Uh the same question I was asking the applicant. Just uh in terms of the intersection with the the property on the north side and uh vehicular traffic entering in here, um just wondering your thoughts when you were taking a look at this a little bit more in depth than what was provided in the package. This would typically be a development permit uh consideration. However, the existing site has operated and has parking along its southern boundary for many years now. So it's a little bit uh difficult to provide an extension of 16th Avenue as you had mentioned earlier or an informal. And so the best the best option that that could be done, at least from an access standpoint, was a was a shared access from 70th Street. If the applicant wanted to uh to go and and have some discussions with the neighbor, that could be a possibility, but just because it's operated for a very long time, I think that that wouldn't wouldn't be part of this development necessarily. Or an opportunity to really do that without completely redesigning the site to the north. Yeah, that's fair, and I can certainly see why it took so long to do to to get someone to develop this particular site, because that access is a little strange. And so previous council, when we when we do we should pay attention to the layouts of these things a little bit when uh when doing some subdivision plans and uh uh and whatnot. Uh more follow up with another question, just uh uh where uh Councillor Chabot was going to, just in terms of uh pedestrian access, because we're right here on the greenway. Um just wanted to see I We see we can see from the renderings that that that that we have that uh there obviously uh the applicant is planning on doing some frontage uh uh um pedestrian infrastructure on the frontage side, but as you can see from Excuse me, the existing architecture that essentially will connect them to the pathway that'll take them over to East Hills on the other side of Stony, but it won't take them to connecting to the Greenway. Uh the the crossing of 17th Avenue is at the corner of 70th Street. Uh I'm just curious from a uh um from an from a city perspective, in order to be able to get that access to the greenway and then the the bus stop that's over by the Tim Ortons that uh Councillor Chabot was referring to, is there any way for who who builds that sidewalk on this empty west lot in order to be able to make that full connection? I can't really speak for the neighbor, but to provide access to the site, if the developer wants to move forward with this, they would have to construct the access and vehicle and pedestrian access over to 70th across the public access agreement. But that would be determined also through the public access agreement who builds and maintains that. Yeah, it's just real tough buttons this building here and and then saying your bus stop is literally half a block away and you can't get to it. Like that seems a little strange because there's nothing built on this West uh this West lot. Um yeah, this is just kind of like new to me. Uh that seems really odd to me that we would that we would do that. Um so yeah, I I have a little bit more learning to do in terms of uh from the city of Calgary's perspective, what it is that we can compel or what it is that we can do. Uh because like I said, it's a little strange that you're half a block away from a bus stop and you are right across the street from access to the map uh to the greenway. And you have no pedestrian access to get to either one of those. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Clark. Thank you, Chair. I feel so incredibly glad and grateful that I have such advocates on council for my wards and my communities. How nice. I really do appreciate that. I'd like to pick up where uh Councillor Chapeau had kind of left off because I know that we're entering into consultation phase on some bike lane improvements and and some new bike lane infrastructure in that part of the of Ward 9. So I just wonder if there's been any communication with this with this applicant in terms of I understand there's going to be frontage, but uh the bike lane as it connects to where Councillor Chabot commented, uh we gonna be looking, is that part of the um the process here? Have has the applicant been engaged in that as part of their next steps? I uh can't really say if they've been engaged directly with the project or future upcoming projects. Um, but the focus has been along 17th Avenue and ensuring that they are connecting both vehicular and uh pedestrian wise to the surrounding network. Those are discussions we could have with them, but I don't believe that they've been a part of the the uh transportation impact assessment uh at the development permit stage. Very good. Thank you very much. Thank you. That's it for questions for admin. Back to you, Councillor Clark. Happy to move. Happy to have uh Councillor Chabot second me if please. And uh that said I'll leave the rest for close. All right, it's on the floor. Uh moved by Councillor Clark, seconded by Councillor Shabot. Any debate, uh Councillor Shabot? I'll be brief. I appreciate that we're creating those uh east-west connections by way of 17th Avenue, which ultimately will also connect further uh further east, and and of course by that east-west connection be able to tie into 68th Street and then subsequently 52nd Street, which will tie into that network that you're referring to. So it's great to see that we're gonna have those connections. Um of course it would be nice if it could connect back into the greenway somehow, and and I don't see that being facilitated through this development. Of course, it'll likely require consultation with the adjacent neighbors, uh, but it is something that I think should be contemplated because that greenway is such a great amenity, and and being able to access it would be nice. And I don't know if there's any provisions that have been made from from the neighbor to the north to connect into that. But uh again, it's something that I'd like to work with uh Councillor Clark to see if we can find some sort of a solution to connect this directly and all of these um developments into that greenway directly. Um so anyways, happy to support and encourage council to support as well. Anyone else on this? Councillor Clark? To close. Thank you. Um I as Councillor Chabot has said, um he sort of represented this area for 12 years, and uh his line of questioning went where my mind was going. And so I feel at least in that confident that I'm heading in the right direction with my thoughts around this area. Um I'd also like to just reconfirm the point that uh this is an area that uh a particular parcel that requ would benefit greatly from activation. So I will be supporting this application and and hope my council colleagues will do so as well. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Let's uh please engage the vote on this. And we're on Ward 9, Applewood Park 7.2.9. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. All the votes are in. Thank you. Please display the results. The line use amendment in Applewood Park, Ward 9. The uh motion and recommendations have carried. We'll now move to the readings of the bylaw. That is carried 15 to 0 unanimously. So first reading of bylaw 10 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 10 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 10 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that's carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 10 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Thank you, Mr. Honrick. Alright, Council, we got somebody brand new in the hot seat. Samborn, take us away. 7.2.10. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. My name is Nancy Sanborn, Senior Planner with Community Planning, and I'll be presenting the remaining three items on the agenda today. The next item is a proposed land use amendment application to support light industrial and commercial development. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 4D 2026 for the redesignation of 10906 50th Street Southeast from Industrial General IG District to the Industrial Commercial IC District. Next slide, please. The subject parcel is located in the southeast community of East Shepherd Industrial. The site is situated mid block south of 106th Avenue and between 50th Street and 52nd Street southeast. The site is located along the primary transit network with two bus stops just north of the site within 300 meters or a four minute walk. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 1.3 hectares in size and is currently undeveloped. Vehicle access to the site is from 50th Street, and a multi use pathway runs along 52nd Street that is part of the Always Available for All Ages and Abilities 5A network. Next slide, please. Surrounding development is characterized by primarily light industrial and commercial uses and a direct control district that accommodates a gas station. Next slide, please. This application proposes to redesignate the parcel to the Industrial Commercial IC district, which allows for light industrial and small-scale commercial uses. The maximum building height is 12 meters and the floor area ratio is one. The IC district is intended for locations on the perimeter of industrial areas and along major streets, which aligns with the characteristics of this of the subject site. The proposed IC district would allow for a broader mix of uses and allow more flexibility for small scale commercial and light industrial uses than the existing Industrial General IG district would allow on the site. Next slide, please. In closing, this application provides for industrial and commercial development in an industrial area of the city. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject parcel. Thank you, Mayor Fargas. Thank you. We will now open the public hearing for 7.2.10. Do we have the applicant with us? Anyone else uh wish to speak to this? Seeing none, we will close the public hearing. Any questions for administration on this? Seeing none, I will look to Councillor Jameson. Thank you, Mayor. So it's kind of exciting. This is my very first You're up. land here. So I I have absolutely no concerns with this. So you know, you didn't know Ward 12 actually has a very large industrial area that most people don't know about, but it's it is quite large. This area on 52nd Street has been vacant. It's uh there's development all around it, so it's natural uh for for somebody to to be able to uh develop the space and and and bring some uh some more an amendment amenities and uh commercial uh activity to the area. So uh I guess that's my open. I'll pass it back to the mayor. All right, that's been moved by uh Councillor Jameson. Uh seconded by Councillor Clark. Over to Councillor Shabot to speak. Yeah, I can't let this opportunity go by without challenging my colleague. Um on his first As long as you're not challenging the chair, you're you're okay. No, just curious, from an industrial land strategy perspective, I see there's an IC site right next door to it. No concerns from administration for going to another IC directly on an like what's presumably an industrial area? Through the chair to Councillor Chabot. No, this was reviewed by our industrial strategy team. They don't have any concerns. This site meets the criteria for the industrial commercial because it is on the perimeter of the industrial site and it is along a major road. So there were no concerns. Good. Yeah. Just thought I'd check. All right, thanks. I uh guess I have no issues with this one. Thanks. Thank you, Councillor Chabot. Councillor Jamison, you're closed. Thank you, Councillor. And uh and mayor. Nothing more to add. This is pretty easy. Close. Madam Clerk, let's uh please engage the e-vote. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. All the votes are in. All the votes are in. Please display the results. The uh motion has carried 15 to 0. Uh the East Shepherd Industrial War 12 item. So we will now move to the readings of the bylaw. First reading of bylaw 4D 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of 4D. By law 4D 2026, anyone opposed. Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 4D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 4D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Thank you. Still in Ward 12, we will move to 7.2.11, line use amendment in Ricardo Branch. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item is a proposed land use amendment application to support low density residential development. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 9D 2026 for the redesignation of 21419 40th Street Southeast from residential low density mixed housing, RGM district, to a direct control DC district with guidelines. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the southeast community of Ricardo Ranch, east of Deerfoot Trail, and south of 212th Avenue Southeast. The site is situated in the northwest portion of the community and is surrounded by undeveloped land. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 0.8 hectares in size and is currently undeveloped. The site is in close proximity to future planned parks and open spaces and within 300 meters or a five minute walk from future public transit. Next slide, please. Surrounding uses consist of residential uses under the RG, RGM, and MG land use districts, and parks and open spaces under the SSPR and SUN districts. As shown on the figure, there is no existing development immediately adjacent to the site. Next slide, please. This application proposes to redesignate the parcel to a direct control DC district based on the RGM district. The RGM district is intended to accommodate semi-detached dwellings, duplex, and row house buildings in the developing area. The RGM district is not intended to accommodate single detached dwellings. The proposed DC district is intended to allow for taller row house buildings with secondary suites on parcels with reduced lot sizes. This is achieved by reducing the minimum parcel width and the minimum parcel area for a row house unit. The maximum building height increased from 12 meters in the RGM district to 14 meters in the proposed DC district. There are no minimum parking or amenity space requirements for secondary suites in the DC district. However, the DC requires an increase in the overall amenity space requirement per row house unit. Next slide, please. In closing, this application provides for alternative housing forms in a developing area. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of this subject site. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you. We will open the public hearing on this item. Do we have the applicant with us? Come on down. Hello, Mayor Farkas and members of Council. My name is Amelia Iwanicki, and I am a planner with BNA Studios, and I am joined remotely by Kathy Oberg, and we are here to speak in support of this application. We are excited about this proposal and Brookfield Residentials' approach to bringing an innovative rowhouse product to the developing community of Seton Ridge. The product combines the affordability inherited to the fee simple rowhouse built form with the ability to generate rental income through the implementation of legal basement suites. This unique narrow product is newer to the Calgary market and represents an opportunity to bring forward new levels of affordability and choice to Calgarians. We appreciate your attention and time, and we are here to answer any questions if required. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions? Council? Councillor Panzazopoulos? The supplementary slides, um it has the Seton sort of master plan. What does that look like? Bear with me a second here. The Seaton Ridge Outline Plan. This looks like can you just confirm if this product, the DC, what you're proposing, is anywhere in Seton currently proposed? Through the chair to Councillor Pentazopoulos. Perfect. No, this DC is not currently within the Seton Ridge community outline plan, but we have seen similar DCs approved in the adjacent community of Logan Landing and another community such as Hotchkiss. Maybe speak to why it fits here versus elsewhere and uh why Brookfield didn't sort of contemplate something a little more dense when they were sort of master planning their community. Sure, I think the intent with this is to try a new product and uh localize it within a portion of a block and have other surrounding uses such as duplex homes and just test out the market and provide a new product that they hadn't previously contemplated. And it's just a density adder. Like if you look their summary, no parking, 20 meters. It just feels like a really simple way to get substantially more density. Is there any other any other benefits? Is there more amenities or anything that sort of comes back, or is it just truly a few more homes? And could you quantify that if you were to stay in the existing versus what could be proposed? What what additional homes could be uh built? Sure, I think in terms of density with the UPA approved within the outline plan, that's it's the same, just based on the secondary suites not being, I guess, contemplated within the density. But it is a density exercise in the fact that you're formalizing those legal secondary suites in an area that has a lot of amenity with the urban nature district and the parks and quick access to transit. Does that answer your question? I think so. Um maybe just speak about motor vehicles. I just and I'm just as I'm learning. So you know our GM to DC, there there just appears to be a lot of substantial changes like across the board. It's not one. And uh maybe just speak to the benefits to Calgaryans why um you know the residents of Seton as well would want this product uh kind of smacked dab in the middle. Of their uh when the the RGM surrounds it. Yeah, the the intent with this proposal is to give a product that is a more narrow form and it isn't currently active in the Calgary market and allowing people, homeowners, to have that income opportunity within the legal basement suite and having those more corner lots within the row house built form be a more standard width to what we see now. And the main focus of the more narrow internal lots is to give just a different product to Calgarians. And then the the parking uh goes from minimum one stall per secondary suite on a parcel containing a row home building to no minimum. Maybe just speak to that in the area that's um yeah, developing will not have transit for a little bit, so when somebody moves in, they need a car, uh maybe bicycle as well. Just maybe speak to that for that period when we catch up. What they're gonna do given that there's zero, no minimum requirements for parking. Sure. I believe the intent would be to utilize that street parking and with those the residential standard in the newer developing communities that can accommodate street parking for those units. And the rear lane access would have the opportunity for a parking pad or developing further a garage that will have two stalls. So there is opportunity for the tenants to utilize either that parking pad in the back or the garage, but that would be, I guess, contemplated on a lease basis and not by bylaw per se. Set intent. So the work like that hasn't been done. It's not like you've you guys have contemplated how it feels with that added density, no requirements for parking. So it's just sort of a professional judgment. Do you feel that it it it still works adding substantially uh more units there? Yes, we do, and during the circulation period, we we didn't receive any flags from transportation or during that process that led us to believe it would be concerning from a parking perspective and that the parking can be accommodated on site. And is there an area of Calgary we could sort of look at or development that was recently done that we could sort of see what it kind of feels like? Like certainly DC is not new, but the products you're thinking about, is there somewhere possibly in your inventory of work that's been done just to get a feel? Yeah, there was this similar style of DC approved recently in Logan Landing and The difference with that one is their lots were shallower, so it's not necessarily the same, but in terms of real world examples with this particular DC, we don't have anything to kind of base off of in terms of parking strategies. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Amelia, am I able to add a c uh element in as well? It's Kathy Oberg on the line. You sure are. Good to hear from you, Kathy. Okay, thank you. Okay. I just wanted to add there's also some built examples in Alpine Park where they've utilized this a little bit shallow of a lot, as Amelia has said. I think the reason for us to gravitate to this area of the plan is it's one where, and if you look closely at the outline plan, we do have some kind of boundary conditions where we do have a little bit extra roads. We have it along the escarpment edge as well as along Deerfoot Trail. And so we thought just containing it to the two blocks within the center gives us a chance to really focus in and see and kind of test it out, kind of pilot it out. We certainly have seen the built form and applying it in this way, it is a little bit different, but I think it outweighs just the advantages we'll get from an affordability standpoint, and it seemed like the right place in the plan. On the aspect of walking or walking to transit, we are within 300 meters. We will have transit routes that will come by. Certainly at some point we hope to have the Green Line station directly to the north and direct routes up there. But we thought this might be a good place to test it out. The units per acre is sitting at 8.71, so we definitely have some room in comparison. The minimum is eight. Um, and so we thought this might be a good time to try it out. Thank you. Over to Councillor Jameson. Aye, thanks for being here. So just to confirm, so the the townhouse units are all being built with basement suites approval. Um is that 100% every one of them? Through the chair to Councillor Jameson, yes, that is correct. Okay. Um I'm I'm sure you have thought about this, but um to basically to to go to go narrow and high and higher, um, what it what I'm seeing is it's reducing the townhouse uh townhouse width from five meters to four meters. Um this would only allow for one parking stall for essentially two households. W do you have a plan for how to mitigate that? Because right now there is no public transit. And the idea of a train, the I mean the C train will be in Shepherd, which is a long ways away from Seton, uh, maybe in five years. So just kind of in that regard, because the fact of the matter, these new communities, they're they're very uh there's a lot of high density and multifamily, especially in the Seaton, Greater Seaton area. Um but Right now there there isn't uh a whole lot of transit and so we we are forcing people that want to live there they have to drive they they don't have a whole lot of options at this point. So in in in the idea of reducing cars and traffic and what are people supposed to do because they they will have to drive. Every household will have to have a car. Yeah, as previously mentioned and highlighted, there is that additional street parking availability along the western edge of the block lengths, kind of paralleling Deerfoot Trail. And then there is another portion of road just one block south that goes along the escarpment. So in our opinion, there's there's ample street parking availability for the block. And again, the the pad parking and sharing of garage, that's not really a bylaw consideration, but something that's potentially available for the basement tenants. So you you did mention that there there is some street park, but you said it's one or two blocks away. Just along the immediate western boundary of the block, there's no frontage on that road, and it's it spans about a four block length just at the end of the block. Thanks. Amelia, if we could add also that there's a bus route planned to go down Ricardo Ranch Avenue, which is just it's probably about 200 meters away. And there is a loop that's planned to go through the Seaton Ridge area, and it comes through Logan Landing and eventually nostalgia. So we do have a local bus route, understanding it's definitely not the LRT, but there is one that is in close proximity that will be planned to come through. I don't know what the timing of it will be, but they're definitely we've planned for it within the plan area. Thank you. Over to Councillor Kelly. Thank you, worship. Thank you for being here, Ms. Iwanicki. Did I say that correctly? Yeah, that's good enough. Cool. I'm curious. I'm not a huge fan of DC. I think that everybody around the council table knows that. I'm happy to get rid of it whenever I can, sort of thing. I'm wondering if you can just sort of speak to why uh DC, as in, was there no other zoning that kind of would uh that would uh would achieve what it is that you're looking for here? Yeah, through the chair to Councillor Kelly, correct. There was no available district within the current land use bylaw that would accommodate this narrow, taller row house built form. Which I guess is fair considering you said this is a new product that you're willing that you're willing to try or that you're looking to try out here. So um no, I think that this might be one of those cases where a direct control as a one-off kinda makes makes some sense uh to try something. Um You know, sort of to Councillor Jameson's point from earlier on in terms of like, can you sell it? I mean, that's uh I guess I'll just ask that as a qu as a question. Uh your um your client feels confident enough that the the this is a product that the market is looking for and this is the location for it. Yes, they are confident with bringing this product forward and having a more diverse array of choice within Seton Ridge is is very appealing to them. Yep. Uh hey, you want to go for it? Uh who am I to stand in your way? That sounds good. Let's give it a try. Thank you. Thank you. That's it for questions for the applicants. We're still in the public hearing. Anyone else wish to speak on this item? Hearing none. Anyone else in the room with us want to speak to it? Nope. Public hearing is now closed. So over to you, Councillor Jameson. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. So, yeah, so uh the Councillor uh Kelly did bring up one one of the few kind of issues that I'm just contemplating right now. So this is already a very uh high-dense multifamily community. Uh it's it's designed that way. Uh if you've ever been down into the Seton area, it is uh you know it's beautiful, but it but it it it achieves many of the uh density and affordability goals that that that we're looking for. Uh I think this is maybe trying to push that maybe a little bit farther than it than it needs to be. Um My my primary concern is you you using first of all using the DC uh for this. Um second really is what I see is the just the reduction in parking space. Most people, you know, you know, you picture a a cold uh minus 20 degree day. Don't want to park one or two blocks away from their house. They want to park in front of their house if they have to do house park uh street parking, right? Um You know, effectively, other you know, this this is the main i i re issue that I have where you have two households that that really are are going to be battling over uh what it looks like one parking space. Um in some parts of the city this approach makes sense, particularly in areas with strong public transit or proximity to LRT. That is not the case here. There is no meaningful public transit available, and importantly, there is no opportunity for street parking in front of the residents. Which is associated with the townhouse development style. I'm also concerned that there has been no public consultation on this application. While I understand the technical reason for that, you know, there is no immediate adjacent community. My reference point is where what I'm hearing from is the residents of nearby Seton. So this would be the closest area to this project that has this very similar development. While similar developments with reduced parking have already been built in Seton, in those cases uh the lack of adequate parking has become a significant and ongoing issue. So this is something that I'm hearing about quite a bit. The frustration is is growing. Uh in fact, I spoke to somebody in uh A neighboring brand new community just recently that left Seaton and moved there because of directly because of parking and and the fights that they were getting into with their neighbors. So I guess uh you know, in closing, uh given the absence of transit at this time. you know, um and the and the lack of street parking and the real world impacts we have already seen in comparable communities and I and I am hearing this firsthand as the Councillor. I do not believe that this amendment is appropriate for this location. For those reasons, I will be opposing it. Thank you. Thank you for that, Councillor Jameson. Did anyone want to move the item just to get on the floor? I see it looks like Councillor Schmidt behind that big block of marble has moved the item uh seconded by Councillor Chabot. Okay. It is on the floor. Uh Councillor Schmidt. Uh over to you for debate. So just to put this in perspective, nobody lives here yet. Anybody who purchases this property in this district will understand what they're buying ahead of time. Density in these areas is needed. For us to be able to at least in some way afford to grow this way. This is a consequence of us being almost 40 kilometers from our downtown core. If we don't have people living in these areas with planning processes put in place that meet density goals, then we don't have the tax base to support them. And we are really trying to have it both ways sometimes as a council where we don't want density in the inner city. We don't want density in the outlying areas of the city. We chose to annex this land, and now we have to make that sustainable over the long term. Those services will come as people move into the area, but again, that's a consequence of building this way. And we have to let the free market do its job now that we've made these decisions. And if they think they can build it, if they think they can get people to live here, then everybody who is buying. Housing in this location will know what they're getting into because there is currently nothing there. So I I will support this because as we've seen in the last couple of weeks, we can't afford the infrastructure we already have, and we need to make decisions in a way that allow us to be sustainable economically as a city. Thank you, Councillor. Uh over to uh Deputy Mayor Johnston. First time you've said that. I I keep forgetting, I'm so sorry. I didn't forget this time. It's okay. Liability, I understand. Um I actually agree with uh Councillor Schmidt here. Um people that people that are moving into these neighborhoods know what they're getting into before they get there. Um and uh this is exactly the growth we are advocating for, um, whether it's sprawl or whatever, just we we want housing, this is how it's being built in this city. Um if if you're moving into this house and you're worried about parking, move somewhere else, right? Like you know what you have here. Um and you can plan accordingly based on the plans, based on talking to your realtor developer, right? So this is exactly what we want. So I I I'm okay with this growth. Um, it is technically low density, I think they called it. Um and and I like the term uh that I coined 16 minute cities. Um because that's what this is. It's Seton. Seton's got everything. They've got their own hospital, they've got movie theater, they've got everything you need to live down there without really having to go anywhere else. Same with mahogany. They're great neighborhoods. Um, you don't necessarily have to drive downtown if you can work from home or work in Quarry Park or somewhere a bit closer. Um, so this is the part of sprawl that I can get behind. So I would say if we're gonna build it, we'll build it like this and people will and these houses are selling. So people wanna live out here. A little bit more space. Um so this is what I think we need going forward. So thank you. Thank you, uh Councillor Atkinson. Just a question of administration. With these kinds of um direct controls and experiment, if you will, in terms of the market, do we track, learn from? Grow, like develop our our ways forward based on these kinds of experiments that that are taken on by the market? Through the chair to uh councillor Atkinson. Um we do look at each site individually. Um, however, we have had many similar types of these applications in developing areas recently. Um they are all DC districts because there is no standard district to address kind of each unique uh circumstance. Um, you know, if more applications continue to come in and demonstrate that it's feasible across the board, then it relates to multiple site conditions and could be applied, you know, um more broadly. You know, we could look into into the possibility in the future to update our land use bylaw rules, but as of now we look at each site individually and say, is this appropriate for this area? Um, does it need a DC? Yes, because of we don't have um a standard district. So that's So a benefit of DCs, since DCs are being, you know, talked about with in a negative sort of way, but actually it's an a way to experiment in the market to potentially just, yeah, is this a common thing that we've seen with other um forms like built forms or or market um development as a way to sort of see some experiments and then oh yeah, there is a market for this, and then we actually create the and yeah, I see Ms. Goldstein's come up here, yeah. And I only came up, uh, counsel, because this is a more philosophical conversation rather than specifically for this application. I think in a lot of cases we see the use of a direct control district evolve into stock land use districts. A very, very good example is our H-GO district that was originally only capable of attaining those very small-scale apartments that are in many of your wards. Those are the three-story type of small apartments. The only way of achieving that was through a direct control district. And originally in all of the developing communities, the RG district was a direct control. It was trialed in Cornerstone. That was the first time that we really built that district, and then saw that the flexibility of having all those forms inside that district was really appealing to developers in master plan communities, and so then transitioned that into being the stock RG district. So philosophically, we are always looking for those lessons, and then should we see this at a frequency that is less common right now in this one, although we do have several examples of this exact same housing form throughout our developing areas. Alpine Park has them, Hodgkiss has them, and then the community adjacent, we would see that potentially in the zoning bylaw in the future, something like this that could enable this as part of that stock. And then when we do that review process, I mean market bearing is one side, but then also like part of planning is just like these conditions we're hearing about concerns around parking, these kinds of things. Do we take more of like a wider view before or as we're developing, say, more of a standardized set of rules around something that takes into those considerations outside of sort of just people will build them and buy them? Or is it kind of like once we see a critical threshold of a certain number of these, then it makes sense to just turn on that form? So through the chair, we would never implement an amendment to our land use bylaw that we did not think through very, very thoroughly and critically at all levels. So, how is waste being picked up is reflective in our H-GO district because we learned that having individual bins wasn't really working in that form and that we wanted to go to a more combined system at a certain threshold. That's how we establish thresholds that are reflected in our stock districts. We learn from those pieces. We make amendments. And the reason that this is a direct control is because, as Ms. Samborn said, there is zero land use district that enables this. Great. Thanks for going through that theoretical exercise and the learning with me. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Pantozopoulos. Thanks so much. When when I think of this development, you know, I'm drawn to this sort of outline plan and land use plan, because there's so many parallels to what's going to be happening here in Ward 6. And the reason I bring that up, everybody has the same, is there's an intent for whereas density makes sense, and we're going to have medium, high, single family homes, et cetera. And in Council's Wisdom, when they approved this, they looked at this and said, hey, these sort of make sense. This is what we think the community wants, et cetera. And now what happens is the fear we just had a talk about carving out mid block or well let's just do a little density here, under the guise of a housing crisis and and things. But but those problems were addressed. If this was all Brands making new all single family homes and there was an intent for a bit of density. I could see the logic. And my fear is if you look at this map, wherever there's an orange, what's preventing the next block? That same argument holds true. We had the wisdom. Nobody went back and said, what was council thinking about when you made this? Why didn't they think of this? And I understand this product, the density, but you could have Brookfield et al. could have made some provisions, said we want to try some things new. And it's so new. That's that's probably my fear, is we start with something and this is give, give, give. Because never is it gonna come back and say, let's take a little density back for all the reasons, all the legitimate reasons. People want single family homes, there's a market, there's this, there's that. And it just keeps going there. And that's what I encourage my council colleagues to do. There, the density's here. Because I'm gonna have the exact same argument bringing uh proposals, very similar to this. And then my fear is six months, twelve months, two years later, coming back and saying, well, it's just not enough. What about this? What about this? Yeah, we've had thought, but we we had those debates and discussions, and I think that was maybe missing there. Um I echo Councillor Jameson's look to him for guidance. Their density is there. If this was all single family homes, I would say respectfully, hey, look, you got to add a little density here, density there, but it's there in the prior councils. So for that, I'm I'm a former business owner. I love the ability to experiment, that makes sense, uh, and test things out. But y y you know, this one that's what I struggle with is just that growth and and it's sort of the creep into other areas and development. So I I will be voting against that for that. I think there's a very thoughtful plan. It has the density. Um All those arguments about housing crisis and affordability and great, that's why there is a density. That's why there's an M down to the east. That's why there's a unit to the west and north and south. So uh for that reason I'll be uh voting against this at this time. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else want in? All right. Seeing none, back to Councillor Schmidt. It's sad that uh life takes you in weird directions. I have been deeply involved with Ricardo Ranch, as some members of Last Council might remember. Was opposed to the entire subdivision at that point, but it's here now. The ship is sailed, we have to make the best of the situation, and uh the only way we do that is by um leveraging every single possibility we have to make it a productive and uh Welcoming place for people to live, and that uh includes providing as many housing forms as we can. Again, in a situation where people moving in here will know what they're buying, and uh I think it's up to us to give them that choice where an easy opportunity to provide that choice exists. So I will be voting in support. Thank you. You are closed. Madam Clerk, let's please engage the evil. Councillor Johnston, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Farkas, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. Mayor, all the votes are in. Thank you. Let's please display the results. On the Ricardo ranch item, the motion is carried with Councillors Ward, Daliwall, Pantazopoulos, Jameson, and McLean opposed. We'll now move to the readings of the bylaw. We're on bylaw 9D 2026. First reading of bylaw 9D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw D 9D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 9 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 9 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. All right. Item 7.2.12. Outline plan and land use amendment in Silverado, Ward 13. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. The next item is a proposed land use amendment application to support an approved outline plan. Next slide, please. The recommendation before council is to give three readings to proposed bylaw 11D 2026 for the redesignation of 2141940th Street Southeast, from special purpose future urban development S Fed District to Community or sorry to commercial community one CC1 district, multi residential low profile M1 district, mixed use general MU1 district, special purpose school park and community reserve SSPR district, and a direct control district. Next slide, please. The subject site is located in the southwest community of Silverado, which is south of Stony Trail and west of McLeod Trail and the Pritus Slough. The site is situated at the corner of Sheriff King Street and Silverton Way Southwest. The community of Silverado, Yorkville, and Belmont are actively developing throughout the area. Next slide, please. The parcel is approximately 5.5 hectares in size and is currently developed with a single detached dwelling. Bus stops are located directly beside the site along Sheriff King Street. Next slide, please. Surrounding uses consist of a mix of existing low density residential uses to the west of Sheriff King Street and a future and future low density and multi residential uses east and south of the site. There are two single detached dwellings in a country residential format that are located directly north of the subject site. Next slide, please. An outline plan for the subject site was approved by Calgary Planning Commission on December 4th, 2025, and reflects the proposed land uses that are before you today. The outline plan introduces a mix of residential and commercial uses that contribute to the mixed-use character of the area. Commercial uses are located on the southernmost portion of the site at the prominent intersection of Sheriff King Street and Silverton Way. As you proceed north on the site, mixed use and multi residential development is proposed. In addition, the proposed park space will satisfy the 10% municipal reserve requirement for the plan area, while also providing an open space amenity and establishing a connection through the plan area to the three meter regional pathway along Sheriff King Street. Collectively, the outline plan is designed to integrate into the surrounding community and establish this intersection as a key focal point in the area. Next slide, please. This image illustrates the subject site in context with the broader community. Surrounding areas include low and medium scale residential and mixed-use districts. The proposed land uses within the subject site will complement and be compatible with surrounding uses. A future red line LRT station is proposed further east, approximately 600 meters from the subject site, along the railway track shown in blue. The proposed land uses will help provide the density and amenities to support the area. Next slide, please. This application proposes to redesignate the parcel to five land use districts. The multi-residential low profile M1 district supports low to medium scale housing up to four stories in height and has a density modifier of 78 units per hectare. South of the M1 site is a special purpose school park and community reserve district that provides parks and open space. And then the mixed use general MU1 district supports development up to six stories in height with optional commercial uses at grade. The maximum floor area ratio is 3.5, and the maximum height is 24 meters. Commercial Community 1 CC1 district supports a range of community commercial uses, and a direct control district enables a self storage facility with at grade commercial uses. Next slide, please. In closing, this application provides for a variety of commercial and residential uses and open space amenities in a developing area. Calgary Planning Commission recommends that Council give three readings to the proposed bylaw for the redesignation of the subject parcel. Thank you, Mayor Farkas. Thank you very much. We will now move uh to open our public hearing for 7.2.12 land use amendment in Silverado, Ward 13. Looks like we have our applicant with us. Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. My name is Brian Horton. I'm with O2. We are the applicant of the project. I'm joined by John Herrup, who is part of the ownership group today. Could you please advance to the next slide? Administration spoke about the surrounding context, but we believe and agree with administration that this development will integrate really well with the approved densities and built form of Silverton that you can see is that is currently being majority built out by Cardell. The site has has been waiting for land use really on the heels of Cardell bringing servicing up to this parcel, which is happening now. And so that is why we are here today to now advance with the land use. As you can see, directly to the east, there's a built form of multi residential that would allow up to six stories just on the east side. There's currently some seniors residential to the south in a in a multifamily built form, and uh the RG would allow for a variety of uh towns and uh and small singles. Uh next slide, please. Just to get a little bit more into our development vision, even though it's a relatively small site for the developing areas, we are we're introducing a real mixed-use community. As you can see here on the southern area, we'd have a mix of commercial uses that would serve the local area and the and the needs of the residents on site and of the community. And then to the north of there, the MU district would allow for the flexibility for the future homeowner or home developer to build a mix of townhouses and apartments. And really instead of designing it as parcels that right now are decided for individual zones, that we we see it as a way where a really good urban design outcome could be designed, where there could be a mix of towns and apartments on this parcel. And then you can see on the north the M1 parcel would allow for townhouses. And one of the things we're really excited about is the is the is the park. So this is a a park that we work closely with administration on the design of. Next slide, please. So in closing and in summary, we believe this application integrates well with this surrounding community and developments. It is consistent with the ASP policies that are approved, and it provides a mix of uses to enhance the neighborhood. With that, I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Excuse me. Thank you. Any questions for the applicant? Councillor McLean. No, I've got it in for admin. If nobody has any questions. We've had lots of chats about this. All right. Anyone else uh for the applicant here? Councillor Atkinson. Sorry, so um the the higher density is sort of backing onto the park space. Is that the uh uh the way that it's laid out there? Uh if we could go back one slide, please. I can show you. Well, the there's there's two varieties of density that like so to the south of the park is is MU. We envision that the park would actually be fronted by some higher density, like the the MU would allow for uh apartments and towns. So we see a variety, so both townhouses and apartments that would that would front the park, and then on the on the north side, the M1 is is is as we move further north, we're decreasing in density. So we would expect those to be townhouses. Okay. Yeah, I just I I I'm I think that we've built for a long time with like the lower density on the park, and I actually think that we as a city need to have a mentality switch around density and park space. Density needs park space, that is the backyard for density, and so just an encouragement that as you're sort of um pursuing this further, that trying to uh center more density towards the park and and putting the uh the lower density further away, it actually uh is a better way to utilize those amenities with uh more people. Thanks. Appreciate the comment. Thanks. Councillor Kelly. Yeah, I wanna just ask you about the modifiers uh on both the M1 and the MU one. Um is Is your client gonna be developing this as well or are they just doing the site? There's there's site right now, but there's discussions with home builders who have who have been involved in the development of the plan. Yeah, and essentially I guess that's what I'm getting at is like w why are we putting the modifiers on it right now if we don't know what it is that they might potentially want to build? Well I can I'd be happy happy to explain that uh through the chair. So the the the density modifier on the M1 um limits the the number of units to a hundred uh townhouses, and that was primarily at the land use stage. Uh mobility was only comfortable with that number because uh for emergency access. So um typically The the intent would be that with the densities of townhouses around 20 to 25 units per acre, then that's fine. So we were supportive of that. And then on the MU, the density modifiers were to allow for up to a six-story development. So to provide enough flexibility to go up to six stories with potential grade changes, 24 meters is certainly enough. And then the FAR modifier was applied in case, well, if we see future subdivision, so say a parcel was subdivided for a six story building, it would need that density that is that is noted in the in the uh FAR modifier. So the modifier on the M1 came from us from administration. Correct. And the modifier Yeah. excuse me, the modifier on the MU1 came from you. Yes, correct. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Councillor Kelly. Anybody else uh for the applicant? All right. You are off the hook, Mr. Arm. Anyone here also for the public hearing? Anyone on the line? Nope. Going once, going twice. The public hearing is closed. All right, we got questions for admin. Councillor Kelly. Actually, sorry, Councillor McLean first. Thank you, Mayor. Admin, could you bring up page four of your presentation, please? There we go. This is very exciting for me because I used to live that was my home. Twenty five years ago in that house back there. That's where I lived. That's where I ran my golf business. It was horses in the back, a shop, tons of golf cars and semi trucks. To the west was a field, all the way to Spruce Meadows, nothing around me, except a few acreages, and I wanted to talk about the road, because the road was just a gravel road back then. But it was uh Then the big bad city came in and said, I couldn't do that anymore. I couldn't have big set gas tanks full of purple fuel and diesel fuel and having semi trucks come and go. And have a few hundred golf cars there, or let my dog run wild. Man. But it's so that was twenty-five years ago. And then I had to move south maybe twenty years ago and do the same thing. But I'm glad we're finally here getting this developed. There is a question in here, not just memory lane. So that Sheriff King Road and one 90th have, used to uh we've had a lot of problems there because the province, they kind of messed up the interchanges, not alternates coming in, and then we ripped it up, and then we've twinned it. But if uh what I'm I wanna know. Is the applicant is looking at putting a side road down to the east and to the south of that is the uh senior center and they're also doing a side road, so we'll we'll have four lanes. But w like for c connectivity, just because it's been a real source of uh irritant to the S Jill Silverado in the neighborhood. To the north of there, those two people, I remember they were holding on forever to sell to get money. But what are we gonna do about twinning do we have a plan, I guess, to go up two twenty-two to have that road going just north of where this property is and then to the south of the senior center if you go down to where Silverton's gonna be to one ninety fourth. Do we can you tell me maybe let me what we've got ro roads there? Because we do need to have that four lanes done and what's the plan. Through the chair, Shane Lampille, Development Engineering, 100%. You're right, Councillor McLean, that is a four-lane road coming through Stony Trail, uh heading all the way south past south past 210. Um, non-participatory landowners are always a challenge for infrastructure. And that's what we have here. Um the city does not go out and say thou shalt do this and that. Um, in that kind of area, we really do have to work with those landowners and really with the applicants in the area. So for this applicant, when subdivision occurs, um, as you mentioned, there'll obviously be the road on the east side, on the south side, 190th Avenue, and then the remaining two lanes of Sheriff King will be built to their ultimate condition. And our preference is to um work with the landowners to the north to complete that uh connection for the benefit of everybody and do it now while you have a developer and contractors, consultants, everyone who's mobilized. It makes a lot of sense just to build upon uh that for the future plan of the city, which is going to happen someday. So that's always a discussion we have with these non-participatory landowners. I've done it myself many times over the last decade, and we'll have that conversation uh with these folks as well. But ultimately it's going to be up to them should they want to participate. Uh, so we'll work with the developer. Um, we'll probably reach out to your office as well to talk about uh what we can do to work together to get Sheriff King to its ultimate form for the benefit of everybody who now lives here and who will be living here. Excellent. Yeah, that's what we want. I did talk to the owners to the north. They still let me put a campaign sign up, so that was nice. So I'll help with 'Cause I want to see that completed because that part right there has been kind of uh I never would have thought in a million years it was going to take another twenty years since I moved from there. But anyways, hopefully we'll work together and we'll get uh that road done. Thank you. That's all I have. All right, Councillor McClain, you want to move it? Uh yeah, again, I think I've said it all. This is just a great addition to kind of a puzzle piece to get fixed. I know it took a little while for Cardell to come in with Silverton to bring in the utilities and the uh the the water. So Let's get her done. Let's build that house. Uh the storage lot that's going to be there. I talked to the applicant. I mean there is a big need for that and just more of they've got a nice mixed use there, so I encourage you all to support this. I think so. It's been moved by Councillor McLean. Uh seconded by Councillor Jameson. Go with it. Okay. Artie over to Councillor Kelly. Thank you, worship. Um, I appreciate Councillor McLean's sort of history there of all this being green space as far as the eye can see and his dog. My my question to admin is how old is Councillor McLean? No, I I'm joking. Uh no, I just uh a really quick educational question just here. I'm not gonna surprise you, I'm asking about the DC on this particular site. Uh I'm just curious in terms of like, is this a standard thing with self storage facilities, the DC based on a C C one? I'm just I'm like, is that standard across the city, or why uh why is a DC required for a self storage facility? Through the chair. The self-storage facility needs the DC because self-storage facilities are typically right now in our land use plan or land use bylaws, sorry, in industrial districts. So self-storage facilities in a community context are a new and evolving thing that we are seeing more of in new neighborhoods. You know, with the with the smaller, smaller houses and storage spaces. I believe there has been this need for self-storage facilities that are closer to communities and not off in industrial areas. So the DC allows us to have a base district like the community commercial district that is appropriate for the area, that has appropriate uses that are not industrial uses, but then allows the addition of the self storage facility. The DC also has rules that for the self-storage facility, so it integrates into that community better. So there are some additional rules in the DC for that for that facility. Generally speaking, Are currently our self-storage facilities are for the most part in industrial areas, and so they have like an IC zoning or something along those lines. Is that correct? Yep, they're mostly in IG districts. IG. Yeah. Okay. Um yeah, I think it this might be something to throw back to sort of admin, just like if we're starting to see more of these kinds of applications like this, just to like maybe update our industrial strategy or something. Just like it I want I just want to make sure that this is not like being handled on a one off and that we have a little bit more of a more of a a plan, if you will, in terms of how the these will be handled uh in the future. But generally speaking, in terms of this, I I love this and um I look forward to visiting Grandpa McLean's self-storage facility. I uh I Wouldn't have expected to hear those words, but uh this has been an interesting year so far at least. Alright, uh Councillor McLean, close. Thank you. And I am a grandpa with four grandkids. And a son when I was nineteen. See I can start early. I get things done fast. Three kids by twenty five, blah, blah, blah. Remember, you get you got your chance for the maiden speech if you ever want it. I think Jennifer Weiness, Councillor Wynnes, wants to go home. So I'll I'll I'll just wrap this up. Again, this is just a puzzle piece that just needs to be done. I was so glad to hear that your responses that we know that we have. A connectivity problem. It's one of the fastest growing areas in the entire city. With Silverado came on, then there's Yorkville and Belmont and Sorracco. That little annexation, that's all part of the connectivity. Just to wrap that all up in a bow. A couple of interchanges down in that area, and I'll be just super happy. So all I need to do is this. I think we have uh support. Just vote yes, and then we can wrap up this meeting and go home. Thank you. Alright, that's been uh closed. Madam Clerk, let's please engage the U vote. Councillor Clark, your vote, please. Thank you. Mayor Focus, your vote, please. Yes. Thank you. All the votes are in. Alright, let's uh display the results, please. On 7.2.12, the land use amendment and silver auto ward 13. The motion is carried unanimously, 15 to 0. We'll move now to the readings of the bylaw. First reading of bylaw 11 D 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Second reading of bylaw 11 D 2026, anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Authorization for third reading of bylaw 11D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried unanimously. Third reading of bylaw 11 D 2026. Anyone opposed? Hearing none, that is carried. Uh moved by Councillor Chabot, seconded by Councillor McLean to adjourn. Before I hit the gavel, remember we're back here at 8 a.m. for strategic session. On the motion to adjourn. Anyone opposed? 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